the-water-cooler

[weak musk]

You would have saved an hour!

-# don't ban me

[grizzled gull]

I'm feeling so old, my favorite time for music is like 30 years ago now lol It seems like the 90's were yesterday

[last cedar]

Can anyone help me with poe? Not sure if the plug is wired wrong, but loads of smoke just came out

[glacial knot]

Yea, you need 8 pins, not 5 on the plug

[grizzled gull]

POE has enough amp/voltage to let the magic smoke out?

[glacial knot]

This is the old 100Mb/s at best

[glacial knot]

Yes

[grizzled gull]

but its low amperage though

[glacial knot]

1A

And often stepped down

[last cedar]

Not with that big red boi on the end though 😄

[glacial knot]

Ehhh, that's only marginally more power

[last cedar]

The fire people took out one of the main switchboard fuses (programmable 3200A fuses) with a ground fault, not quite sure how but absolutely hilarious

Bus bar is rated to 3200A

[stuck anchor]

i guess usually programmed down to something safer

[last cedar]

Won't fit a little emporia vue clamp meter around it 🙂

[glacial knot]

If it's up to 3.2k, the saver value is still char coal 🦝

[lone dagger]

Who would have thought the international billing support couldn't handle this shit.

[last cedar]

#the-water-cooler message

That is the bar in question

[grizzled gull]

sooo ummm listening to Toby Keith.....

Toby Keith - Event Tickets
Mar
14
Nearest event · Warren, MI
Fri 8:00 PM · Andiamo Warren
Ticketmaster
VIEW TICKETS
Mar 1
Vernon, NY · Vernon Downs Casino Hotel

[last cedar]

Haha the audible one 🤣

[grizzled gull]

Born: July 8, 1961, Clinton, OK
Died: February 5, 2024 (age 62 years), Oklahoma

[last cedar]

Could be worth seeing!

[grizzled gull]

I know!

[deft pewter]

You think he'll make it to the show?

[weak musk]

Weekend at Bernie’s style

[deft pewter]

He shoulda learned to rope and ride.

[grizzled gull]

I think he died of stomach cancer? Snuff?

[last cedar]

That can't have been fun, poor soul

[grizzled gull]

I also realized the other day I'm 2/3 my way through my work career.... 30 years down, 15 years left, I can see it(60) lol

Can you tell I had a boring drive

[lone dagger]

No one retires anymore.

Work until we all die. It's the new way.

[forest edge]

The thing I had ordered last october which was the first of two things that usps initially lost actually showed up last week lmao. box was a little crushed but it made it

[grizzled gull]

I'm retiring at 60, my house will be paid for, kids will be gone(or paying rent) and I will have 30 years of pension

[last cedar]

Most will probably be jealous of that

[deft pewter]

20 years of which will go to waste when you die at 70 🫠

[weak musk]

I'm going to try being born rich in a few years, I'll let you know if it works out

[static schooner]

May you outlive your pension - Confucius (probably)

[grizzled gull]

30 years of pension means I have 30 years in the pension, its not how much I have afterwards

[forest edge]

people who continue to work after retirement generally live longer. they did studies on that

[deft pewter]

Ah. 30 years saved?

[weak musk]

work = continue to learn and use their brains

[grizzled gull]

The longer you are in a pension job, the higher your monthly payments are

[deft pewter]

But is it the working or the staying active? I'd be willing to bet it's the latter. You don't have to continue to be someone's employee to live well.

[grizzled gull]

So if I do 30 years I'll get like 65% of my pretax income for the rest of my life I think

[weak musk]

it's definitely the latter

[deft pewter]

Keeping your mind sharp, your body fit, and your social skills intact all work wonders for longevity.

[forest edge]

I think it's a combo of it all. most people don't regret working lol

[hollow glacier]

i just got this reply from a customer:

A delivery has never felt so good :sweat_smile:```

[weak musk]

a lot of cops get to pension age in one department, then they go to another and get to the minimum pension age there and collect 2x.

[grizzled gull]

Also my wife gets 100% of my retirement if I die

[hollow glacier]

so usps... gud?

[deft pewter]

I wonder what your circle is like .Most people really fucking don't like working.

[forest edge]

I think this is a generational thing

[weak musk]

eh, I like working. I just wish I could work way less.

[grizzled gull]

If it makes you feel better my 4 tree's got in on time and in 1 piece(well 4)

I will always being doing something, I just don't want to be forced to do something

I'd rather tinker on something and learn new stuff

And yes generational, Really young Gen-X here

[forest edge]

well if you pay attention to many retires you'll notice they maintain the same sleep schedule, they usually still try and leave the house around the same time.. the whole routine but with diffrent destinations

those are the ones you generally see the most active

[grizzled gull]

<<-- Xennial

My dad died at the Casino, playing slots after driving his Harley there

[forest edge]

those cows can be dangerous

[grizzled gull]

Had a CVA which caused a MI, never felt it coming, went out doing what he loved

Some of the best riders I ever met were motorcylce cops, heavy bikes, complete control

[forest edge]

well this got grim quick

[last cedar]

Abolishing ohsa will speed this up 🙂

And whilst on this grim subject, I will probably go to a rabid raccoon that I try and hug 😄

[forest edge]

you would confuse foaming at the mouth with just after eating marshmallows

[last cedar]

Very easy to do

[scenic jasper]

sweet finished aiming all nginx at internal names. Reckon it should be faster 🙂

[obsidian temple]

Hello all! Anyone know if there's a HA plugin / whatever for Blue Iris? I have a Blue Iris machine, and I don't really want to have 2 streams connecting to my camera, plus, some of the cameras are chinese-based, BI connects to them fine (because it's awesome) but I worry about HA attaching to them. It's not really necessary, but I was just wondering if such a thing existed.

[iron granite]

#1284966353798697001 with the "Cameras" tag might be able to help

[forest edge]

@tidal bronze ready to go to florida? https://youtu.be/LSnpCzWam2U?si=4IIkMDTTXK3c2oDb

[terse stag]

What’s a good use for a raspberry pi 4 model b after migrating HA off of it?

[forest edge]

Lots of uses. "Good" is a subjective term

[primal laurel]

octopi

[shell basalt]

golf ball.. lowsy at being a ball, but still rather satisfying

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/general-zod-heresy-man-of-steel-superman-destroy-it-gif-25934938

[shell basalt]

MiniPCs 4 LIFE

SBCs 4 JUNK

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/no-i-dont-agree-in-a-bad-mood-zut-flute-gif-21823495

[lone dagger]

I did my first template today.

Written directly onto the config file.

[static schooner]

It's the best part of HA

[lone dagger]

That weather card I was working on would have made a terrible card so JLo walked me through using the Actions in DevTools to get the data I need to create a template in DevTools and then helped me write the YAML configuration.

Now I have a binary sensor that will tell me if the precipitation probability goes over 50% over the course of the next 6 hours.

[forest edge]

now we just need to wean you off the potty chair and you'll be good to go!

https://tenor.com/view/xluna-high-five-gif-25422702

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/what-theoffice-gif-7456335

[solar wyvern]

Howdy folks, ordering a few bits to get going. Quick question, is PoE only available in Home Assistant Yellow or will it work on Green too?

[iron granite]

Only the PoE version of the Yellow has it.

The standard Yellow and the Green have no PoE included.

[solar wyvern]

I more mean, if I order a seperate PoE adapter would it work on the Green?

[iron granite]

If it delivers 12V, enough power and has the proper barrel plug, yes.

[solar wyvern]

Awesome! Thanks! Green it is

[stuck anchor]

that's literally my job

i have a friend who has survived quite a few crashes on motorcycle. but always on racetracks and full protection gear. still quite a few damaged joints and such that start reminding him of his youth now that he is in the late fifties.

what doeasn't kill you will come back to haunt you when you get old

i'm 60 now and have no desire to stop working. i like my job. retirement would be doing the same stuff but with less money.

[ocean oar]

There's always the option to do the same things, but call yourself a "consultant" and charge many, many hundreds of dollars per hour for your expertise

Seems to be a common semi-retirement option

[terse stag]

That’s super useful. Lots of good data is hidden in weather entities—e.g.: https://discord.com/channels/330944238910963714/1328101753719226488

[steady lodge]

Anyone here using Aqara P1 sensors with ZHA?

Ugh, maybe it's time to switch to zwave

[iron granite]

Likely many do.

[static schooner]

they would be in #1284966617670881350 -> Zigbee

[steady lodge]

Are there not channels for this kind of thing? I'm not really a fan of the topic based stuff on discord

[static schooner]

yes, that one

just post there

[steady lodge]

I'll head to reddit I think, I prefer discord for freeform discussion

[iron granite]

🆗

[static schooner]

post and you get your own "free form" dicussion

but whatever

posting a topic in reddit is exactly the same 🙂

[steady lodge]

Kind of my point

Versus what we are doing right now

[static schooner]

definitely go where you're most comfortable

[gritty drift]

So... I am new to HA.
I have a lot of stuff set up, and a couple very basic automations.
Right now everything is dumped in the Overview.
I would like to build some dashboards, like a layout of the house with rooms with basic info (temp, if lights are on, minisplit is heating/cooling, occupied). Then one for each room with more detailed info.
I would like a reusable weather widget that changes background based on the temp.
Where should I start for tutorials on how to build stuff?

[keen bridge]

There's also the forums 🙂

[keen bridge]

#1284965988642590891

[gritty drift]

I looked in there, a lot of specific questions. I'm looking for basic tutorials so I can try stuff before I start asking the stupid questions 😄

[deft pewter]

Then the forums

[static schooner]

there's a whole forum of community guides

[lone dagger]

You might find some examples in #1284960456880029707, too.

[iron granite]

-# A wild Missy appears

[lone dagger]

Wild Era sounds great.

Much better than Stabbing Era.

[iron granite]

throws a Pokéball

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-go-kitty-gif-15906302

[lone dagger]

😂 😂 😂

[loud pike]

Every time I hear "Poke Balls", my brain autofills the next word to "Pylons" and I MIGHT be from the weird part of the internet.

Only...

It doesn't make a bit of difference, guys.

The Balls are Inert.

[shell basalt]

you must construct additional pokeballs

[loud pike]

https://tenor.com/view/gutsman-megaman-rockman-ass-butt-gif-5886906901588456417

[forest edge]

curious just how many in this channel actually understood that line

[loud pike]

Those of us who understand it should probably take our back meds.

[crisp oriole]

Functional code grabbing ai by the guts wins again

[loud pike]

By the gutsman?...'s ass?

[terse stag]

what if pokemanz had vespene gas 🤔

[shell basalt]

it's super effective

[quasi peak]

are these essentially the same?
https://www.amazon.com/Outdoor-Armored-Industrial-Multimode-Installed/dp/B0CYGJ35GP/
https://www.amazon.com/Outdoor-Industrial-Multimode-Installed-𝙍𝙖𝙢𝙗𝙤𝘾𝙖𝙗𝙡𝙚𝙨/dp/B0D99XR3HJ/

[ocean oar]

Aside from one having a uniboot plug and the other having two separate fibres (which means if you need to swap the pair for some reason), and one being 3mm and the other 5mm, pretty similar

Are you planning to actually bury it, or put it in conduit?

Because if you're burying it buy the thicker one, and if you're running conduit buy the thinner one

[quasi peak]

im wanting the flypro cable, and yes i plan to direct bury it

i ordered the rambo cable because everyone i talked to said it and a pair of converters i got would work for what im needing

but amazon promptly lost that cable for 2 weeks

refunded it and im looking for similar so i dont have to return the converters

[unborn merlin]

if you're going to buy fiber cables i'd suggest going to an actual vendor site instead of amazon

and also.. direct burial? how deep are you gonna go?

Because you are gonna want that shit deep; because suffering awaits if it ever is severed 😛

otherwise.. throw that shit in a conduit unless you're doing like.. 1+ ft deep..

[simple gazelle]

Guts Man!
[dramatic sting]

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/ixixrfvzRkc.gif

[solar zealot]

Steam profile stuff

[last cedar]

@clear ferry Can I commision your new basement UPS yet?

[deft pewter]

This is all in your home? 😮 What do you run?

I finally gave in and bought a rack... and it's a whole 6Us 😄

[solar zealot]

There are surprisingly few raccoons working in this picture

[deft pewter]

Everything of value was already stolen

[clear ferry]

what is that APC nonsense @last cedar

[civic citrus]

Here we go

[last cedar]

Not in my home, but this is one of 3 identical UPS units

[last cedar]

ABB I believe

[civic citrus]

Hmmmm

So I been thinking about installing an inhouse termostat is there a way to make it wireless so it basically sends the temp signal wirelessly to a module I then install into my heating system?

[deft pewter]

Just get a wireless thermostat

Hive are great. You don't even need to use their hub - just connect it up to your existing Zigbee network. But... you want to be over in #1284966353798697001 for recommendations, not in here where there's no support.

[clear ferry]

aqara sensors are great

[civic citrus]

Yeah nah its further down the line now im just looking at options and sucess stories

[civic citrus]

Aqara Radiator Thermostat E1 for the heating elements yeah but I was thinking to controll my whole heating system.

[deft pewter]

Those 'options and success stories' are over in #1284966353798697001

[civic citrus]

True

But I also wanted to start a convo

[clear ferry]

you americans and your heating systems

laughs in just heat pumps with wifi control

[solar zealot]

In my opinion those kinda systems can operate fully by themselves without any additional sensors that they don't already have

[clear ferry]

and electric floor heating in the basement

[solar zealot]

Weird way to describe an entire datacenter region

[clear ferry]

you jest, but I installed a HPC environment 18 years ago that did water cooled racks, and the water heat was used to keep the sidewalks free of snow in winter

[civic citrus]

Yeah its hooked onto outside temperature which is great when I got shit windows but im swapping them out tommorow and a week forward.

After that inside temperature makes more sense

[solar zealot]

This tends to already be covered by return temp sensors

[civic citrus]

Maybe radiator termostat should be enough as some rooms get hotter than others

[solar zealot]

Besides them being a bit battery munchy that sounds a lot more sensible than trying to get another % out of optimizing the boiler

[civic citrus]

Well as the weater is changing outside temperature can wary alot with humidity and wind. The sensor says 2C but inside its actually 20C and so on. Or 22C feels like 19C due to humidity and the wind.

Older 60´s house but I hope it changes with new windows

[clear ferry]

oh boy 60s

[civic citrus]

Swedish 60´s house

Built with the good stuff

[solar zealot]

Wonder they didn't make the windows out of asbestos;D

[clear ferry]

ask @last cedar she has renovated her house from the 20s

in sweden

[solar zealot]

It's good for smoking cigarettes as well hehe

[civic citrus]

Yeah I would never buy one of those houses if I didnt know the history

10-40´s was basically build with whatever we got

[clear ferry]

fuck I'm old, I need new glasses soon, doesn't help that I have 4x 4k monitor

[solar zealot]

The general idea is right, better isolated buildings loose less heat which makes heating them less costly

Windows go a long way

[civic citrus]

Then summer comes and fuck you over

[solar zealot]

Not at all, it keeps heat out in the same way it keeps heat in

[civic citrus]

True but people walk in and out, open doors and so on 🙂

And then you have 10-40´s house where the materials make the air quality 🤢

[silver wadi]

I'm on the lookout for some smokealarms and i found the Bosch Twinguard to have a lot of exposed sensors, but as I ideally need 3-4ish the price suddenly becomes a bit of an issue, so do yall know of any other good smokealarms/multisensors that has a lot of different sensors?

Would be nice to combine and replace Hue motion and Aqara multi-sensors with a single one

Bosch Twinguard exposes: smoke, temperature, humidity, voc, co2, aqi, illuminance, battery, siren_state, alarm, self_test, sensitivity, pre_alarm, heartbeat
https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/devices/8750001213.html

[silver wadi]

PS: I had to downgrade my firmware to a 2022-version because i got a lot of BUFFER_FULL errors with this dongle, just a heads-up 🙂 migrated from a conbee ii a week-or two ago, so that was new to me

[clear ferry]

with what dongle ?

aka, is that the E or the P version ?

[last cedar]

1943/44

BC

[solar zealot]

Saving money on safety is t exactly a great thing

But there is no support in here #1284966353798697001 may be able to help

[last cedar]

Everything is timber, timber windows, roof, chimney everything

Eternit cladding, ceiling in the furnace room and the old ventillation channels were all eternit

[clear ferry]

timber chimney

that sounds like fun

[last cedar]

Nah, that was a joke 😛

Brick

[civic citrus]

MMMMMMMMMM

And then some toxic material as insulation

Or metal net holding the insulation

[last cedar]

There is no insulation 🤣

[peak slate]

Something something mesothelioma

[forest edge]

I thought you all just built with packed snow..

[last cedar]

20 cm of sawdust in the attic

We just added 30cm more celulose blown in

I put 45mm insulation around the old cladding, after taking the asbestos panels off

A story in 7 pictures

[last cedar]

My paws melt the snow 😦

[civic citrus]

Total rebuild

[last cedar]

Pretty much!

[civic citrus]

How is the floor plan?

[forest edge]

should have left the asbestos underneith

[civic citrus]

Well tought out or alot of small rooms?

[last cedar]

Soffits and drains for the roof etc too

[last cedar]

Less point doing that, no proper barrier for the wind

[civic citrus]

Meanwhile me with a 45CM cement ground

My house is weLLL built

[forest edge]

what do you mean? you covered where it was

[civic citrus]

I know literally everything in my house since original owners lived here

Lots of works getting shit up to speed but some paint, love n maintenance has helped alot

Still need to renovate bathrooms after the windows are swapped but other than that I got about 5-10years for the roof

Im contemplating repainting my drains but hey the good looking greenish is nice

[last cedar]

The insulation sits flush to the wood, with the asbestos it was overlapping, would be veey little in contact with anything else

[civic citrus]

You renovate it yourself n everything?

[fading nest]

howdy I once again start my HA journey, this time I opted for HA green

[civic citrus]

Else I would consider if that house is "worth"

[forest edge]

well you would have had to plan for it to remain accordingly lol

[civic citrus]

I only had to pay 15k€ for my new windows but that is because I know a guy that knows a guy

Totally didnt just pay under the table

[last cedar]

I don't do plumbing myself, but basically everything else.

We did windows and doors and the whole cladding

[civic citrus]

Im an IT guy

I dont do myself other than basic stuff like painting

[last cedar]

Using a nail gun is really fun though!!

[civic citrus]

True

But for that you gotta own a nail gun

Basically my childhood friends dad is a carpenter and works for a good sum so if I need anything its pretty cheap

[civic citrus]

Plumber guy is a friend of my brother and does shit basically for free

I got contacts

I rather have people who know what they do do their shit since I want stuff well done. I just do the basic things and help with carrying

[last cedar]

I struggle to find good workers, hence doing most of it myself

[civic citrus]

My friends dad and his granddad basically built lots of houses around here so I know they can do quality work

[last cedar]

That would be very useful 🙂

[civic citrus]

I basically pay my hourly wage anyway

So its just

Pay someone else for the time it would had taken me

[last cedar]

Mmm

[civic citrus]

(I earn around 50k sek a month) before tax

[last cedar]

You don't happen to know people in Sörmland would you?

[civic citrus]

Nope in Örebro area

[last cedar]

Specifically with ventillation

Okay, probably a bit far then

[civic citrus]

Thats probably where you should had started btw

Ventilation

Before anything else

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/v-a-sly-racoon-gif-20903377

[last cedar]

I have put in FTX but I need the flow rates etc setting up 🙂

[civic citrus]

Also I mean if you have the time renovating yourself is pretty neat

[last cedar]

I got a recommended person in to install it, but have no support

[civic citrus]

I got a 8h work + gf + simracing need and helping my family at the farm so

[last cedar]

Oh, sim racing 😛

Iracing?

[civic citrus]

Yupp

Lost 400IR in formula due to people being fucking a$$ at T1 hit from behind x4

[last cedar]

Haha that sounds about normal 😄

[civic citrus]

We got a swedish iracing discord

Mostly men

xD

[last cedar]

I barely get time anymore

Started doing modded minecraft with my youngest

[civic citrus]

Oh you have kids

RIP Time

[last cedar]

Mmm, 23 and 15 😄

[civic citrus]

O_o

Well im totally gonna enjoy the next few days

Swapping windows in -5C

[last cedar]

Oh god 🤣

[civic citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/frozen-freezing-cold-shivering-glace-gif-5390133

[last cedar]

It is bad enough in the summer

[civic citrus]

Ill mostly be in office tho

But then im gonna have to enjoy the indoor climate

[last cedar]

I noticed a big difference. We had those crappy 1+1 old style ones

Went with 3 glass wood/ aluminium ones, low transmission edges etc

[tepid fossil]

is there any alternative to nabu casa/home assistant cloud?

I don't mean port forwarding the google home integration yourself I mean commercial competitors that offer a similar service

[clear ferry]

I am not at Michelles renovating skills, but I do renovate my houses and build houses

And do all electrical work myself

[fading nest]

would you consider using a Shelly 1 for a constant ~5A load?

[clear ferry]

why on earth would anyone, it takes 5s to spin it up yourself

[civic citrus]

Arent allowed to do electrical

[clear ferry]

aren't

still do it

[tepid fossil]

I am more interested in looking at how they would respond to competition, as far as I can tell they have a pretty tight grip on the platform

[clear ferry]

except intake and new stuff

[clear ferry]

what a weird take

[civic citrus]

Then house burn down and insurance doesnt cover it 😉

[clear ferry]

no house has burned down in the 27 years I've been doing it, so I'll take my chances

[civic citrus]

Nah but I gotta replace all my outlets, considering grounding

[fading nest]

are you a renter?

[tepid fossil]

in what way is it weird?

[deft pewter]

By 'tight grip', you mean 'they built it'? 🤯

[clear ferry]

DAMNIT WHY DOES THIS CORP THAT MADE SOMETHING OFFER A SERVICE FOR IT

THAT IS OUTRAGEOUS

[fading nest]

where I live changing electrical stuff is reason enough to evict

[deft pewter]

It's open source. Do what you want with it. But of course the team that built the thing integrated with their own service.

[fading nest]

how dare they

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/bbFxi.gif

[tepid fossil]

if you depend on redis you can migrate to and from many service providers, same with postgres. I would like the same freedoms for my smart home and was wondering if homeassistant supported this

[clear ferry]

you can do whatever you want

that is total freedom

🧠

locked in vendor with added cost #2 and #3 is not freedom

it is just choices

[fading nest]

I still use redis everywhere I can't be bothered to switch to valkey or all the others that suddenly appeared when they changed the license

[deft pewter]

No-one is stopping you looking at the code to see how you might implement a similar service. And I'm pretty sure the license allows for it too. But... that's a lot of effort for something that's already cheap and, more importantly, supported by the most qualified team to support it

The people that pay a few bucks per month for Nabu Casa make sure that the devs' children don't starve.

[primal laurel]

i've been paying for NC since 2019

how many children is that?

[lone dagger]

400

(There’s less than that.)

[iron granite]

The market value of children is highly volatile.

[grizzled gull]

Children have a negative value... like a car

The odler they get the more expensive to maintain

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/punt-kick-baby-grandma-gif-8217719

[grizzled gull]

ugg its -8F here today, last year it was like 40's all winter

[deft pewter]

Nonono. You're thinking about it all wrong. It has to be about money and competition!

[loud pike]

I wonder if it's possible to make an elgato work with HA...

[grizzled gull]

..... no one is forcing anyone to pay for HA, paying is 2 fold, supports the project but also convience, I can tell you my time is worth more then 5 dollars a month

[loud pike]

Oooh...

I'll have to look into that. That sounds incredibly goofy. But also fun.

[grizzled gull]

Also hubitat makes money on their crappy hardware(that is required)

[loud pike]

(DGMW I like the idea of getting an old crappy tablet out of storage to turn into a wall unit for HA, but also... tactile buttons.)

[peak slate]

Lol I made custom esphome devices for that tactile button feel

Mechanical keyboard switches ftw

[loud pike]

https://tenor.com/view/ooh-yeah-nice-christian-bale-duck-face-gif-6054793

[grizzled gull]

You want 2 Pulmonary Emboli?

[peak slate]

Buying the hardware is also supporting nabu casa though

So still good

[loud pike]

The tricky part is having multiple "screens" but all the same buttons be useful. Which is my big reason for the streamdeck part of things.

I wonder whatever happened to that one keyboard from absolute yonks ago that had OLED screens in every key and was like 1500 bucks...)

[iron granite]

The good thing in my opinion is, that it is optional and you can also get the functionality your way.

[peak slate]

I up the sub literally to throw money at them because I didn't want the service they provided at the time (now using the backup destination though) but I wanted to give them money because HA is awesome

[peak slate]

I remember this, Optimus I think it was called?

[loud pike]

(For those unaware who AREN'T taking meds for your back right now because you're old.... There was a site called ThinkGeek that, before they got bought by Gamestop and ruined, used to have cool geeky things in it all the time. And one of the things they sold was a full 108 key keyboard.... with an OLED in every single key. And yeah. it was 1 and a half grand. For a KEYBOARD.)

[peak slate]

https://www.artlebedev.com/optimus/maximus/

[loud pike]

Not Quite the same board, this one had full height keys, but it's very close.

[peak slate]

Also rip think geek

[deft pewter]

Neat idea but has a fatal flaw... the keycaps will be shit to type on. I had one of the Razer ones with similar keys (for some caps, not all) and it was a PITA.

[loud pike]

Oh it's the gimmickiest nonsense in existence, I guarantee you. XD

This was around the time I got my hands on an MSI case from thinkgeek that was ALSO incredibly gimmicky... it was a mini-PC using a weird board standard and proprietary heat sink that never worked, but the PC was also a media center, with a full faceplate for audio that looked like a very weird cabinet media player.

Also it was silver and Orange.

Had an LCD on the front that would tell you what your media was. In the earliest version, you had to turn the PC completely OFF to use the Media center part. MSI eventually patched it so you could use the media player features with windows.

[peak slate]

That sounds like amazing jank tech

[loud pike]

Oh it was Hilariously stupid.

It came with a remote control for the media center. Which could later be used for windows media player too.

And the LCD would scroll what MP3 you were watching, along with an EQ display.

[peak slate]

Utter perfection

[grizzled gull]

Reminds me winamp, its kicks the llama's ass

[loud pike]

Don't get me wrong, I loved that stupid little box of dumb, but EVERYTHING was proprietary.

[peak slate]

Hack an esp to the display and inputs today, have it feed back to the PC in the case to control it

[loud pike]

Funny story... the media center features didn't work with winamp. XD

Also it came with an antenna. Because it had a Radio mode. XD

For over the air analog radio.

The early 2000s were a WEIRD time.

[grizzled gull]

I have so many MCE remotes....

[peak slate]

Like these classic cup holder cigarette lighter PC trays

[loud pike]

XD I love that those started as a joke.

[grizzled gull]

I used to run 4 VM's for our TV's for LibreELEC(Although I don't know if it was called that at the time)

[loud pike]

Entirely at their beginning, "Hey, the CD tray isn't a cup holder. So here, have a real one!"

[dawn badge]

i had one of those!

[grizzled gull]

I think the cigarette lighter is the funnier thing

I can imagine what that PC smelled like too

It was one of those that stunk up a room when you're trying to fix it

[loud pike]

I can hear the whine of the older hard drives and the really REALLY loud PC fans. Including one single 80mm fan in the side wall of the case, which was the style at the time...

[dawn badge]

i remember having a cig lighter power adapter for a laptop and used one of those to charger the laptop from the pc.

[peak slate]

Peak performance

[dawn badge]

probably not great for the psu but whatever... it worked

[loud pike]

Hell, this was around when Creative was still selling sound cards with ridiculously over the top front faceplates that never ever worked right XD

[simple gazelle]

The story I heard is they were for internet cafes, give people lighters at each station, especially in parts of the world where smoking rates are higher.

[grizzled gull]

considering it ran on the 12 volt rail, I think cars have a 15 amp fuse so it probably wasn't TOO bad

[loud pike]

Also this happened.

[simple gazelle]

LGR has done vids on both, naturally.

[loud pike]

Because every PC needs.... an audio casette deck. XD

[grizzled gull]

Had a xeon machine in the basement and a bunch of gt710s

[dawn badge]

this was probably before psu's had insane 12v rails to support insane gpus though

[grizzled gull]

I have 4 wire homeruns to all the TV's so I'd do HDMI on 2 USB on 1 and then standard network on the 4th

Also because I could.... 🙂

[loud pike]

"Dedicated rails? Pff. We don't need those. We need more weird chrome accents, and also ridiculously bright blue LEDs! And dragons! The PC needs more dragons!!!!"

[peak slate]

Back when graphics cards were just powered by the pcie or agp slot

No external power needed

[dawn badge]

yeah, i think it was probably early pcie but agp was definetly still a thing

[loud pike]

Ahh the days of my first GeForce 2Ti... took that PC to a lan party and everyone else there got mad at me because apparently they'd never seen halflife have the proper overlays on items...

[grizzled gull]

I remember when bought a voodoo 2 with 12 megs of ram and OMG quake looked so much different in glide.....

[peak slate]

Agp was the competition for pcie

Imagine if it would've won

[loud pike]

heh.... gotta get that physX card tho. XD

[peak slate]

I do have a few PCI graphics cards in a box

Oddly useful from time to time

[grizzled gull]

AGP was prior to PCIE...

[loud pike]

I feel like AGP was earlier than PCI-E.

Yeah, that.

[loud pike]

S3 Verge, Bay-Beeeeeeeeee

[peak slate]

I always thought they were around the same time and could even be found on the same board

[grizzled gull]

it was a step up from PCI 33mhz

[peak slate]

I never owned a machine with agp, kinda skipped in there

[grizzled gull]

There were a few boards that had both for a short period of time

[peak slate]

Had an agp card though that I gave to a friend for his machine (got it free)

[loud pike]

One of the last full boards I owned with AGP had 1 AGP slot, 5 PCI slots, and 2 E-ISA slots.

[grizzled gull]

omg ISA the the slots were white if I remember right

[loud pike]

PCI was white, ISA was black, usually.

ISA were the slots that were ridiculously long.

well, E-ISA, but yeah

[grizzled gull]

Is that what it was, ISA was used for sound cards weren't they?

[loud pike]

ISA was anything you wanted it to be, just like PCI, it was just an expansion standard. But it was one of the earliest and it suuuuucked XD

(That said, I DID have an e-isa sound card... until it became impossible to get drivers for it.)

[grizzled gull]

I thinking what I used ISA for though, I think it was for like a sound blaster 8 bit card or something...

[loud pike]

Behold. My first sound card. XD

[grizzled gull]

its been 20 years since I even read anythign about ISA

[loud pike]

okay not QUITE the one I had, but close. Same basic shape. The Gravis Ultrasound.

[iron granite]

With a joystick port?

[loud pike]

Back when, if you wanted to play Soundblaster or Adlib(that used to be a thing), you had to run SBOS in DOS to get it to work properly. XD

[grizzled gull]

Remember having to make bootdisk to ensure you have enough ram, the first 640k or whatever?

[loud pike]

And Yup. Gamepads ran on midi ports. When they ran. XD

[loud pike]

heh. I had an entire box of just boot disks as a kid. XD

"This one is for tie fighter, this one is for this other game, this one is for this one..." XD

[simple gazelle]

I stuck on the Amiga for too long, you sometimes had to disable extra floppy drives (or the HD) to get a game to boot, as the buffers the BIOS allocated would eat juuuuuuust enough memory

[loud pike]

PFffffff that reminds me of IRQ fuckery XD

"Your system can recognize a total of 16 devices on IRQ channels. And no more. If you have more, it will make them both stop working."

That alone is why I laugh when people say they miss the retro days of PCs. Just that was enough to make me scream. And some viruses worked by duplicating drivers just to flood out the IRQ channels.

[grizzled gull]

oh I miss Tiefigher,

[loud pike]

It's on steam. XD

[grizzled gull]

its NOT the same on modern hardware

I don't miss teh game persay I miss the age I played the game

[loud pike]

hehe.

I miss playing it on the best joystick I ever had. A Saitek Cyborg 3D.

Which I'm pretty sure was the first USB joy stick. But it had four axes, and I STILL have mine.... it does not work properly anymore. It drifts like Hell. XD

[grizzled gull]

I want to say I played tie figher with a mouse

[loud pike]

GLORIOUS. XD

[grizzled gull]

Xwing vs Tiefighter required a joystick though

[loud pike]

(Not gonna lie, half the reason I keep it is because I'm trying to find the old EGM or Game Informer mag that reviewed it where the reviewer called it "C3P0's Strap-on" XD)

[grizzled gull]

I remember thinking in highschool, wow things are so realisitc, how could they get better....

[loud pike]

heh.

Though to be fair, they really haven't done a space fighter like tie fighter since. 😛

Full in-cockpit with dozens and dozens of things on the playing field. Now we get Starfield where the most enemies you can ever face in space is.... 3.

[grizzled gull]

Squadrons?

[loud pike]

Did they ever finish that one? I remember hearing about it during development, then never hearing anything else again.

Seeing it on steam. The reviews are..... well, exactly what I expect from an EA title. XD

[grizzled gull]

its not bad.... campaign isn't long enough

[primal laurel]

Star field is such a joke of a game. Why did I even buy that on release, I'm stupid

[grizzled gull]

ugg I really want to like PopOS cause I'm lazy and it games great, but their package manager sucks

[grizzled gull]

I bought the special addition 100 dollar version if that makes tyou feel better....

Beccause I really loved Skyrim

[loud pike]

I wanted SF to be good. But I knew enough about bethesda to know it was gonna be a shitshow.

I was not expecting it to be THAT rough XD

[last cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/electro-boom-gif-18170714

[loud pike]

"Hello. We are two people who have been trying to murder each other across the literal multiverse. We will now stand shoulder to shoulder not even giving each other dirty looks while we wait around for you to make a decision."

[grizzled gull]

X-wing alliance was fun too

different persepective if I remember right

[loud pike]

I mean, it was basically the same game, just your character is different is basically an author-insert for the leadup to the movie's events. XD

[grizzled gull]

yeah, it was still fun!

[primal laurel]

These days I play valheim a lot. Really love that game, especially with friends

[loud pike]

"He's just a humble worker with his family and Oh hey now he's super important ot the entire rebellion and also best friends with all the main characters" XD It was fun, for sure, but yeah, it was definitely weird fanfic writing XD

Man, all this talk of expansive space sims with ridiculous stories that go on for hours on end makes me miss Freelancer.

[grizzled gull]

I remember when Elite Dangerous was supposed to be new thing...

[loud pike]

A game where you KNEW it was the future because someone's cigarettes were Blue. XD

[grizzled gull]

it was TOO realistic...

[loud pike]

By the way, one of my favorite stupid glitches ever in a game in Freelancer XD

[lone dagger]

Too bad they dropped Xbox.

[loud pike]

It locked the actor progression to sound files. Which makes sense, you want a speech line to finish playing before the thing they're saying is about to happen happens.

Trouble is... some files were encoded in different codecs for... some reason.

So if you had certain codec files? The sound would never play.

So you'd warp in, there'd be three ships there that are supposed to go hostile and get mad at you... but they just..... stay there.

And at that point the game is basically locked XD

[grizzled gull]

it was marketed as being ultra realistic especially physics, I can definitely believe people have made it ultra realistic

[glacial knot]

VPE arrived
Now to get it to work in my silly network

[deft pewter]

It was pretty realistic if you turned off the assist modes. Like trying to dock into a rotating space station without the rotate assist 😄

[static schooner]

I'm all in on my VPEs 🙂

[glacial knot]

oh, nice

that's a lot of smart speaker hardware o.0

[loud pike]

heh... heh heh...

[static schooner]

I might have another one hiding somewhere. they're like rabbits

[loud pike]

IS now where I point to the pile of speakers in a drawer that DON'T include the ones I'm presently using? XD

[glacial knot]

but yea, I have my wifi on another subnet than HA/ESPHome, so I'll have to figure out how to not have to use the discovery to set it up...

[loud pike]

I really REALLY wish HA would create some sort of hijack system that could fully take over Google/Alexa devices...

[dawn badge]

i am weaning family off alexa. slowly. cant distrupt things too much and ruin the good will automations are building

[static schooner]

Those Google Home Minis there have had their guts replaced with the Onju boards

not the same thing, I know

the speakers in those are so much better than the one in the VPE. that's the part I miss

[loud pike]

I think I've ranted about this before, but letting the server have a simple reroute-what-would-go-to-that-smart-devices'-server-to-a-virtual-version-running-on-HA thing would make forcing integration for so many smart devices(googles included) so much better...

Also might be nice for making the Alexa screens not so bloody intrusive and obnoxious.

Mind you, the tricky part would be maintaining other features like drop-in, package tracking in real time, etc.

[dawn badge]

speakers is going to be a sticking point for me too. i have a few solutions in mind but havent worked out how to implement yet

[loud pike]

I wonder if there's a way to just hijack the bluetooth speaker part itself.

[simple gazelle]

As a lefty I appreciated the reversible grip and throttle, though I only got one in time for Alliance. God those games got hard.

[loud pike]

With Google's stuff, you can use it for outbound things with play-to, but I wonder if you couldn't be set up to play the "response" audio to the speaker while just using the VPE as a microphone.... or if there's a way to set up the play-to to be able to both play to And listen from...

And I know Alexa's speakers are all bt capable. I wonder if a bluetooth adapter could be used to let a server or a device on the server take control of that speaker and turn it into a semi-smart speaker.

[static schooner]

I would be happy if I could just use the GHM as a wired speaker for the VPE. I could use it as a separate media_player, but that's too complicated

[loud pike]

Huh. Brain's doing that thing where it has too many ideas. I clearly need coffee.

(bluetooth controller for HA would open up some smart devices that use BT for... some reason... and also let you take control over all those non-smart bluetooth speakers you have lying around collecting dust for smart home things...)

That first bit is not a joke by the way. I was sent a box of smart bulbs to review. They aren't wifi. They aren't zigbee. They're Bluetooth.

And apparently echo devices can link to bluetooth things. So there's that.

[deft pewter]

Bluetooth is a PITA because everything uses proprietary protocols. That's not something easily solved by a 'controller for HA'

ESPHome can be good with stuff that's been reverse engineered though.

[clear ferry]

You guys are getting paid?

Thank Dog

[shell basalt]

woof

[clear ferry]

[primal laurel]

No

[fathom sparrow]

are you talking in the 3rd person again

[shell basalt]

if the person is the kind of person that watches Storage Wars, do you really care if you upset them by shutting it down?

are you married to this person?

is this person in your house?

[glacial knot]

PCIe can be hotplugged 😉

[shell basalt]

"internet glitched"

[glacial knot]

done setting up the VPE. That was a slight adventure

I had to change something in my firwall to allow the back channel (boo!, have we not learend from FTP), and had to setup whisper/piper locally

though the 2nd one will be that easy

[peak slate]

How many people are you sharing it with

[glacial knot]

dunno yet how strict I want to be about the exposed entities though

[lone dagger]

You, my friend, have not experienced an Elite controller, and I can tell.

[glacial knot]

oh yea, how do I add my own prompts?
it understands "what's the time" but not "how late is it"

[young sigil]

It simple. Pull the graphics card and when you get the complaint text reply, "Oh! Really? Let me get right on fixing that, thanks for reporting".

[peak slate]

Lolol "just a few"

[lone dagger]

You have not lived until you used an Elite controller. It's a tragedy how expensive they are.

I enjoy my 50% off discount.

If it's not sold by Microsoft, no.

[primal laurel]

why do you need a 1080 to watch live TV anyway?

[peak slate]

People still watch live TV these days?

[primal laurel]

people above a certain age

[peak slate]

Gotta pay extra to watch those commercials!

If it's cable at least

Antenna I'll allow because free other than the antenna itself

[primal laurel]

watched 30 minutes at my parents house a while ago. Had to zap 4 times to avoid commercials, then got so annoyed I turned it off

[static schooner]

Live TV is strictly a news and sports thing these days

[deft pewter]

If you can call the stuff that airs news anymore. So that just leaves sports.

[primal laurel]

'feel good of the day: kid pays of lunchdebt of entire school'

awful

[peak slate]

Most local news is now owned by one corporation

It's one big monopoly selling the same crap to all the stations

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinclair_Broadcast_Group

Oh it was creepy af

[normal moon]

Just think, since they all say the same thing, a deep fake AI could run back at Sinclair HQ replacing all the local talent

[peak slate]

Sinclair HQ could just be a well paid CEO, CFO, and a server farm for the AI

Maybe a sysadmin too

[stuck anchor]

elite controller? you mean these that i used to play elite on my bbc b back in the eighties?

now watch it. this old guy quit linear tv long ago.

[peak slate]

Ewwwsw

I don't want to watch AI tube

That just defeats the entire point

[lone dagger]

I am coming down with something today, but I wanted to share this one more time before I log off my laptop. I should be able to start moving things around this week. 🙂

I have incoming server improvements posted here ready for feedback: #1285154411114532935 message

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/good-evil-star-wars-emporer-palpatine-darkside-gif-16390445967333586245

[grizzled gull]

Is there a way for discord to ask a question when someone joins a channel"

Like can we do like if user has been around less then 30 days, then when joining "blah" channel have a statement stating"this channel is not for support and make them acknowledge it

I know nothing about discord btw, hope you feel better Missy

[glacial knot]

ONly show this channel after they posted 🦝 at least once

[grizzled gull]

Well people post in another channel and then when they don't get an answer in 5 minutes ask in here

But yes thats an option too

[glacial knot]

I'll have to play around with the voice intents now

also need to add a way to use it as alarm, so I can finally ban the phone from my bedroom 😮

[lone dagger]

There seems to be a new Discord feature where when you go into a forums channel for the first time it will push the Posting Guidelines directly into your face.

Which so far should be super useful for this case.

[grizzled gull]

ohhhh I like that!

[lone dagger]

• the changes to the find a channel.

Which...oh yeah, need to note that a change to that name should be done.

[lone dagger]

I don't know if I just happen to be in their A/B testing for this or if it's fully released, though.

[grizzled gull]

Well even if its a future update though

[lone dagger]

And I think it only happens on mobile.

Right now, brand new people have to wait 5 minutes to post (I think).

[grizzled gull]

Like brand new to the server? or Brand new to the channel?

[weak musk]

Definitely the server

[lone dagger]

Server, yeah.

[keen bridge]

Missy, shoo

You're not well, go get better!

[lone dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/bobs-burgers-complaining-okay-fine-im-gonna-complain-the-whole-time-gif-15733884

[grizzled gull]

I will say working from home has made my PTO explode, I feel sick, I sitll work

Since I have a combined sick/vacation, I just get more vacation

[glacial knot]

depends on how sick for me

[frigid mirage]

Just wondering, will the Google Drive backup integration be much seamless/simplified, currently it's very tedious to setup?

The third-party addon is much more easier in comparison

[solar zealot]

If someone makes it be better / creates a request for it

[lone dagger]

We get chastised if we don’t take time off when we’re sick.

[solar zealot]

It's not really that much easier besides the integration offering to take over the auth to their app instead of yours

[grizzled gull]

Rightfully so

[frigid mirage]

I'd argue it is, with the Google Drive integration you have to fiddle with the Google Developers Console, oauth option would me much better imo (if possible)

[solar zealot]

The current way keeps you in control of your auth while handing it over to a different persons app doesn't

Maybe they could offer to have it through NC like for onedrive

Either way that's a feature request best put onto the forums

[lone dagger]

It was contributed by a community member. A request on their repo is the best path for this.

[glacial knot]

it's not that easy to offer oauth without a centralized service 😦

[solar zealot]

Haos keycloak addon

Yea tge potential lack of callback urls is kinda limiting

[sterile sierra]

is home assistant green or yellow best for a technical user?

[grizzled gull]

neither? 🙂

[sterile sierra]

(I'm about to purchase one in Aus)

I don't have the time to buy all the parts seperate

Buying in one ready to use solution works best

[lone dagger]

Yellow is good if you’re okay with tinkering a little.

[keen bridge]

You can also just use an existing computer you have, like an old laptop. Or a second hand PC. You don't have to buy specific hardware (though it's very nice)

[solar zealot]

I somewhat want to migrate my hue stuff to zha but I like, don't want to do the work
Send help

Or raccoons in trench coats

[grizzled gull]

Can someone talk me out of inwall speakers for a home theatre ..... 😛 There's so little information on the web on them because they are all proffessionally installed :/

[keen bridge]

3 raccoons and a possum on the way

[solar zealot]

[keen bridge]

You're losing audio quality by doing that. Unless you're buying really high end equipment anyway

[grizzled gull]

Was looking at some Klipisch(can't spell) R 5502's

[sterile sierra]

Thank you

[grizzled gull]

I'm also debating building these https://www.parts-express.com/AviaTrix-RST-Sealed-MTM-Speaker-Kit-Pair-with-Knock-Down-Cabinets-300-7134?quantity=1

for LCR

[sterile sierra]

Yes am aware I have done this before (using home assistant on a rpi) thanks for the assistance.

[grizzled gull]

My room setup is difficult because of having an ultra short throw projector

[solar zealot]

The yellow is pretty much a pi cm for that matter

Yes

[grizzled gull]

I like those speakers listed as they are sealed, so I can put them right against wall no port noise to deal with and I have plenty good subs

Or maybe I'll just be real lazy and get some polk ES 20 bookshelf speakers

I dunno what I'm going to do

I have some 18 year old JBL Stage Venue(or Venue Stage) towers and a matched center channel but they aren't doing it for me anymore, they were budget speakers 18 years ago lol

Tranistioning to a 5.2.4 setup

I also considered some Swan 3.1a's but not sure what I'd use for a center channel

https://www.amazon.com/HiVi-Swans-Passive-Bookshelf-Speakers-Pair/dp/B09XGYJFRQ/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3C124A3EL66U5&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.o9ED6cnkvCB1E2o4vRVn8nsf19gZC5VAVym8cShz-HcPyd6OW0O8zBK6TheZq8R5SlQB3xZcWxZaeyr0pDaN9mQko2S6Hrt8cyJNirmr-4M.JTf6kDwu1-iCzoiWcj7RCY_VtevxtF5z4mwsF5Sk2Zc&dib_tag=se&keywords=swan%2Bhivi%2B3.1a%2Bdiy%2Bspeaker%2Bkit&qid=1739303452&sprefix=3.1a%2Bdiy%2Caps%2C116&sr=8-1&th=1

These aren't amazing speakers, they were the low low end of theirs

[lone dagger]

I will not talk you out of this. Sorry.

I’ll egg you on

[grizzled gull]

lol

[lone dagger]

Because I’m a glutton for punishment too.

[grizzled gull]

That would be expensive

[lone dagger]

DON’T CARE DO IT ANYWAY

[grizzled gull]

Wonder if I used a swan as center channel but then turned the ribbon tweeter 90 degrees

cabinet would need modification, but not a big deal

[stuck anchor]

in-walls get rid of reflections from edges of the enclosure, but you really need a pretty "clean wall" to not just make it a ton worse with reflectio0ns from anything else.

[grizzled gull]

when you say "clean" wall the only thing on my wall currently is ALR screen

[weak musk]

https://www.crutchfield.com/learn/learningcenter/home/speakers_inwall.html buy buy buy

[grizzled gull]

but unfortunately not sound tranparent screen

Now I will say I'm THAT worried about sound quality as its in our living room not a dedicated theatre room with hardwood floors and a white ceiling 😛

[stuck anchor]

i saw a room with sound transparent screen and a big recess in the wall almost as big as the screen housing stage pa speakers...

[grizzled gull]

plenty of stuff to absorb sound though, curtains leather couches etc

I told my wife after we spent so much $$ on the projector/couch setup I really want to complete the room with some decent(not highend) stuff

[stuck anchor]

in-walls should have good WAF. that is one point in their favor

[grizzled gull]

Well Swans are out, I don't want 4ohm speakers

[weak musk]

did you tell her you'll need at least 80k for a good mid range setup?

[grizzled gull]

No, because I already have 2 moneypits sitting outside (built jeeps) and 2 money pitts inside(kids)

yeah....... but still not spending 80k, lol I'm cheap

well no not cheap, frugal, I iwll spend money

Decoy I do my own work

I have about 80k into my JLU with parts

yeah I don't drove stupid

[weak musk]

to be clear, you don't need to spend 80k to get a baller system

[grizzled gull]

I have a rubi axles front and rear regeared to 513's with chromoly shafts in the rear and RCV's in the front

[weak musk]

but 80k will get you a baller system and some extra jeep parts 🙂

[clear ferry]

I wish PCIe doorbells were more common

[grizzled gull]

PCIE?

Not usually

[clear ferry]

Well, for those of you that don't work with mission critical systems, we have been able to hot add CPUs, memory, and PCIe card for decades

[grizzled gull]

You said doorbell!

[clear ferry]

And PCIe slots have doorbells

You press the button, and the PCIe slot powers down

Then you replace the card

And press the doorbell again

We had this on pcix before that

[grizzled gull]

Thats not what I pictured when you said doorbell and PCIe

[clear ferry]

No kink shame

[twin gust]

has anybody else change from a sonoff Dongle-e to a SMlight 06 and experienced that the LQI has dropped alot?

[grizzled gull]

Are your devices dropping off th enetwork?

[clear ferry]

Sounds like someone doesn't have enough routers

And only battery nonsense

[grizzled gull]

If they aren't, and your purely chasing numbers don't worry about LQI

[twin gust]

I have litterally just changed. I actually thought that perhaps the sonoff was not showing the real LQI.. I have not experienced any problems..

just wondering.

[iron granite]

Tell me more.

[twin gust]

cheers I will. Its the 06mg24 i have.. Its a nice product. And I am looking forward to using it 🙂

[grizzled gull]

That too, I'm debating how much I trust the documentation for the Smlight 06, I need to switch from a non POE to POE one, internal instructions say I just need to switch them out and the network will find itself... not sure I trust that

[iron granite]

I can send you something else.

[weak musk]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-potato-realistic-gif-16847039136289569673

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/ban-hammer-futurama-scruffy-gif-20750885

[stuck anchor]

we actually had a fire in a sun e10000. those are late 1990's servers. it was running 4 or 5 physically separate servers that it could move around resources to. like virtual machines, but the centerplane switch actually reconfigured at hardware level.

so this server just reconfigured around the board with the fire, and nothing went down...

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/finger-guns-michael-scott-steve-carell-the-office-pew-gif-14552925

[stuck anchor]

that's what real enterprise class servers used to do. not the cheap stuff today 😛

the aggregate throughput of the centerplane of the e10000 was jaw-dropping back then. now you see the same numbers in memtest86+ on ordinary desktops. so performance has gotten quite a bit better. but some resiliency features have been lost.

[ocean oar]

Gotta switch from scale-up to scale-out

https://festivus.dev/kubernetes/

[stuck anchor]

banks loved the e10000 as for the quarterly reporting they could "borrow" cpu/memory from other "domains". The dev server would be limping through those times.

[solar zealot]

Banks loved this one simple trick

See available compute in your area now

[stuck anchor]

and we actually installed one of them on a boat...

[solar zealot]

Lol

[stuck anchor]

we started preparing how to take the massive server apart and rebuild it aboard, but the customer said that took too long. dry dock, cut hole, forklift it in, weld, boat back to sea.

it was one of the seismic ships used to find oil in the north sea. they also had the biggest cisco router available at the time

[clever solstice]

does anyone here run a gameserver that they've been able to integrate into homeassistant? - in this case, i'm using LinuxGSM for Valheim.

i'd love to see active players, uptime, etc

[solar zealot]

If those metrics can be collected that can be done

Usually that is a bit of a hack I individual to the game

[grizzled gull]

Its a steam server so if there is a way to poll information from a steam server you shoudl be able too

[clever solstice]

well, i'm running it through LinuxGSM which i'm not sure how to pull that info into homeassistant. i can query console commands on my linux vm that will show me connections, etc

just struggling to bridge the gap to HA

[twin gust]

you aparently need to clone the IEEE from the old device to the new device and it needs to be the same stack (ember to ember or zstack to zstack)

[grizzled gull]

Yes I knwo however I'll paste to you waht the vender says

[clever solstice]

i was reading about linux2mqtt or something similar, but not super familiar in that area and figured i'd ask before diving super deep into it

[solar zealot]

If you get that you could do ssh query sensors but that belongs into a forum post instead of here

It's fun

It's cringe

It's a no attention needed show for the background

[grizzled gull]

If you are switching from another CC26xx Zigbee adapter, in most cases, you do not need to repair your Zigbee devices if you follow these steps:

1. Shut down Zigbee2MQTT/ZHA and power off your previous Zigbee coordinator.
2. Power off all your Zigbee routers for at least 15 seconds. You can do this at once by turning off the electricity in the whole building.
3. Power on back all your Zigbee routers.
4. Power on your new SLZB-06/06p7 or 06p10 adapter.
5. Start your Zigbee2MQTT or ZHA.
6. It may take some time (e.g., 5-10 minutes) for your Zigbee devices to come back online again with the new Zigbee coordinator.
   If this does not work, please change the IEEE address of this Coordinator to match your previous Coordinator and repeat steps 1 to 5.

[safe steppe]

so i know about the ratgdo and setups like it but im looking for something that isnt wifi. Would zigbee or zwave. Doesn't necessarily need to interface with the door sensors or know the position of open or closed etc.

could some simple relay or something just work with the garage door button to trigger open/close?

or if there is anything else youd recommend i would love to hear it.

[grizzled gull]

Not the right channel to ask,however you could start a conversation in related-tech, I'm to lazy to go see your new post, but I'd look into https://www.getzooz.com/zooz-zen16-multirelay/

[safe steppe]

got it thanks!

[twin gust]

I did read that, but could not get the Zigbee2MQTT to work in HAOS.. I have for a long time had the idea of switching to LXC on proxmox, and then having MQTT, Zigbee2mqtt and Home assistant on seperate LCX. So I just set up all LXC. Downloaded a backup of my HAOS, loaded that into the HA on LCX. and removed each of my Zigbee device one at the time, where i added it in the new one Zigbee2mqtt. It took about 20 min. for 30 units.

The only thing I cannot get to work right now is my Frient 2 power meter.

[grizzled gull]

Can't be of much help with that, I run all my stuff in containers(Re the HAOS issue)

[twin gust]

no need for help. It's all done 🙂 except the Frient, but I am looking into that now.

[grizzled gull]

I think I've decided on my new garden automation for the year, camera with frigate that opens up a valve to spray deer

[lone dagger]

I ate some food and I guess just digesting is using up all my energy because I’m even more exhausted.

[twin gust]

is that the alpha project for switching out the garden hose with a full automatic gun like in aliens2?

[grizzled gull]

maybe....

[primal laurel]

didn't think I would ever be writing C again. But here we are. Gonna be an adventure after 5 years of python haha

[grizzled gull]

Surprised it hasn't evolved to D....

[crisp oriole]

Oh. @lone dagger i think my facebook post got deleted. Of an update of a cli interface to the assist pipeline.

[deft pewter]

I think they got up to F before they moved on to 'cool' names like Rust and Elixir.

[lone dagger]

I haven’t done any moderation actions today in the FB group, so it might have been someone else.

[grizzled gull]

HA has a FB group?

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/nine-months-gail-dwyer-oh-missy-joan-cusack-gif-26786740

[lone dagger]

Unfortunately.

[unborn merlin]

🤣

what did a tantalum capacitor explode?

[unborn merlin]

hopefully its behind a few different VLAns and firewalls don't want that crazy leaking over..

[stuck anchor]

actually it was one of the memory chips on one dimm that started it. that dimm was quite charred

[unborn merlin]

lul

servers that old

what was the voltage on the memory

5v? 🤣

[stuck anchor]

probably.

it was a thing of beauty

each of the 64 main boards was a kind of aluminium briefcase with handle on top that you slid in

when you powered up that thing it did the same as many pc's still do. fans to full speed during first steps of POST. and when that thing did it you heard it across the server room no matter how noisy it was in there

[unborn merlin]

modern computing equivalent: raspberry pi 3

🤣

[grizzled gull]

Hmmm haven't looked at frigate for a while, when can replace Compreface and double-take 😛

Really.........

more stuff to tinker(break)

ponders if it would be worth going the AI route

As much as I want to keep stuff local, for tertiary stuff(AI for camera's) I think I will just go the webroute

oh how $ is it though?

And that works with Frigate?

[deft pewter]

But you need one per camera, right? It's a passthrough enhancement thingamabob?

[sinful onyx]

It's not passthrough (it can be though), but it currently only supports 1 camera per port

[deft pewter]

Yuck. Frigate and a Coral it is then.

Paying the Unifi tax once would be bad enough. Paying it per camera is ridiculous.

[sinful onyx]

They claim they're working on adding support for 5 cameras per AI port but...Still haven't released it 😦

[deft pewter]

Native LPR is coming to Frigate soon, right? v1.16 or something?

[grizzled gull]

Depends on the age of your kids.....

I mainly use to track when our 9 year old gets home from the bus stop

He has no electronics on him

[clear ferry]

I'm considering buying a gps tracker with a sim to sew into my daughter's backpack

[grizzled gull]

I thought tile was a cheap knockoff of airtags

Well maybe not cheap

[clear ferry]

And she has an Xplora that she will start using eventually when she leaves the house

Tell me mora about this thin lora

[deft pewter]

Well, she doesn't eat much...

Airtags and the Android equivalent are basically interoperable now. Each phone type supports the other's network now.

[grizzled gull]

The issue iwth tile for people to track it you have to have the software installed, but what you're saying is I could just use my bluetooth adaptor thats only turning on 1 switch bot for something more useful

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/zoidberg-futurama-gif-13983343

[grizzled gull]

hmmmm that Lora looks interesting

[clear ferry]

Lorawan not Lora, lost me there

[grizzled gull]

does that integrate with HA for notifications(I know I should just look)

[clear ferry]

Lora + mqtt is great in ha

[grizzled gull]

Sometimes's it worth it to pay a bit to not waste my time.....

[stuck anchor]

those things need recharging. i used one on a dog that would sometimes go roaming.

[solar zealot]

sounds like there is tech you can recommend 👀

[clear ferry]

I played around with a Lora board earlier yes

Even in dense population, antenna indoor, sender inside rf shielded car I got 800m

[solar zealot]

sounds like 450+$

[clear ferry]

About $30 if I remember correctly

[grizzled gull]

the card is 40

do you need anything else?

[clear ferry]

This is Lora, not lorawan

[solar zealot]

YuRuiCheng ah yes the trusted store ;D

[clear ferry]

For those that don't dabble
Lora = point to point
Lorawan = distributed paid network that might exist somewhere

[grizzled gull]

I thought Lorawan also had 4g

[clear ferry]

Optimal conditions Lora is 10km

Realistic probably 5-8 free sight

[grizzled gull]

oh thats not helpful for me, darn it

[clear ferry]

None that I've seen, might have come

[solar zealot]

good enough to connect iot on a field or something

[grizzled gull]

awesome techology though

[clear ferry]

I will probably be deploying a lot of private 5g forward now

That'll kill a lot of those kinds of techs

[deft pewter]

Just stick your receiver on a really tall tower and you'll get great range

[solar zealot]

i just see the lora esp stuff cost 20ish bucks and the gateways being hundreds

[clear ferry]

I bought a gateway for Arduino for $40 I think it was

[solar zealot]

wonder what the others do that they thing makes it special

lol wago makes that stuff aswell i cant

[clear ferry]

Slapped it on top of an uno

Played around a bit

[primal laurel]

private 5g is hella expensive. Lorawan is for when you're on a shoe string budget

[solar zealot]

its atx

[primal laurel]

I worked on a product that has lorawan

[solar zealot]

his basement accounts for 73% of the 5g coverage in the country

[primal laurel]

they're not really competing I mean

[urban wadi]

Why not a bt tracker?

Airtag is now possible with HA

[primal laurel]

https://www.philips.nl/healthcare/middelen/landing/experience-catalog/healthdot <<< this has lorawan

[urban wadi]

Sure. They say it's been stable though. https://github.com/malmeloo/hass-FindMy

[ocean oar]

Some LoRa is for when you're on a budget.

I have the expensive commercially-produced kind. It's a very nice system and all plays very well together

But $$$$

[primal laurel]

the tech itself is simple

not sure why it should cost a lot

[urban wadi]

A nice write-up here: https://musings.martyn.berlin/3-or-less-location-tracking-without-a-mac

[sturdy sphinx]

I have been using the generic camera integration to stream an rtsp feed from my nvr. I have an automation set to take snapshots every 30 minutes to create a time lapse. It misses allot of shots and the trace says connection timed out. Is there a better rtsp integration i should use. My cams are h265

[lone dagger]

aha there’s the fever I was waiting for….

[shell basalt]

too late for that if there's a fever

what Missy needs now is...

https://tenor.com/view/more-cowbell-cowbell-snl-reaction-mrw-gif-14076918

[crisp oriole]

I well. Make a post here then. To bad i had a conversation about llm and news running

[shell basalt]

I do need to go get milk

I didnt realize how low i was until last night

[weak musk]

It is snowing again. 3 days in a row.

https://tenor.com/view/wedding-crashers-will-ferrell-happy-gif-26043728

[shell basalt]

I think they're reducing the snow fall to about 3-4" here .. which is fine, but the bitter cold coming after it is what sucks

[weak musk]

I think this snow is my fault-- I suggested to my wife that it would be no problem to commute year round on a motorcycle 😆

[shell basalt]

NAM and NAMST are starting to "agree" .. looks like my areas will be getting about 5" of snow

i need to get my snowblower back

[weak musk]

I literally test drove one last week-- it was 68F. I don't think it will be above 10F this week. Lows of -8*

not ideal

[primal laurel]

I wish we still had snow

[weak musk]

I miss the days of youth when we'd get pummeled with 2.5ft overnight

[unborn merlin]

don't worry its been swapped for the fun of heat strokes in the summer! /s

[forest edge]

Some people do. I think it's crazy.. slippery roads aside feeling that cold air force it's way through your clothes is not pleasant in anyway

[unborn merlin]

mmm wet bulb temperature.

Such a fun thing to have to get to know about!

[weak musk]

it's honestly pretty comfortable temp-wise 99% of the year here (and we might get 5 days of slippery roads), so most of the time I really do think it would be ok. I have a car for the 1%.

The people that do it where you get real snow are nuts though

[forest edge]

lol snow wheel

https://youtu.be/O1wc4fLGPOU?si=je1rJR7f3VEg714L

[weak musk]

I've seen people take the 2 wheel drive (urals) out with a sidecar, but this is new lol

[forest edge]

I've ridden twice when the temps were near freezing but the roads were fine. never again. chest, hands and feet were fine but that cold gets around the helmet and pressure forces it's way through even multiple layers on your legs.. not fun at all

[thick crypt]

(people had reported it) I removed it because I didn't immediately see the relationship to Home Assistant, given your short description that went with it.

Just give me a moment to make your message magically reappear 🪄

[loud pike]

well that snow good.

[shell basalt]

was that... was that a .. pun?

https://tenor.com/view/jail-right-to-jail-right-away-parks-and-recreation-parks-and-rec-gif-16177531

[loud pike]

https://tenor.com/view/grin-evil-evil-smile-smile-gif-15036311

[lone dagger]

It snowed here most of last week. My son had 3 snow days and 2 late start days. I did the normal thing and took pictures of my crows while they ate in the snow.

[crisp oriole]

Thanks a lot.

My gui editor walked sollid on a big card....

[forest edge]

https://youtu.be/HrHaPO12f5w?si=-eXk2vDkk6nlbsMl

crazy stuff

it not show?

there

[static schooner]

Titled "Dog & Cat meet up for early morning hijinks"

[forest edge]

you can certialy tell those two have a bond

wish I knew who they belonged too

so I could rip thier ass for letting them get out like that

[tidal bronze]

@forest edge

[forest edge]

it's good you are digging up archives of days past. memories is one thing that cannot be burned away.

[tidal bronze]

See you at the Olympics!

[forest edge]

yea we can try Texas BBQ together!

[shell basalt]

why?

[terse stag]

why do i have a compulsion to make things jankier

[static burrow]

Hi guys! I have a question about connecting speakers to home asisstant. I have an old Echo hooked up, and I am running automations on it, and it works to say things like "KIDS DINNER" when the wife presses a button. NOW THE WIFE WANTS ONE IN EVERY ROOM, but I can't afford $200 a room to get these sounds setup. Any cheap options?

[terse stag]

thinkcentre micro pc? why not add an m.2->eSATA card? just slide that case off. an external enclosure for two HDDs sounds brilliant sure

@static burrow does the bluetooth integration support speakers? idk that'd be my first cheap suggestion

[dawn badge]

have you considered sending alert to mobile devices? (phones/tablets)

[terse stag]

can the alert be baby shark in fullscreen mode

[dawn badge]

it depends on how valuable you consider sanity

[quartz sparrow]

Can someone please help me with installing Frigate? The videos i found online all seem to reference an older method

[wraith sapphire]

Everytime I try to start zigbee2mqtt homeassistant restarts trying to fix my door and window sensors the one day I didn’t know they weren’t working someone broke into my house.
What channel should I put this in

[weak musk]

#1284976732428046461 message

[weak musk]

#1284966617670881350

This isn’t a support channel

[silent dove]

The topic of this channel is:

There’s no support here - only chill. Come in, grab a drink, chat with your fellow community members! This is a space to talk to other smart home enthusiasts. If you’re looking for support and unsure where to go, check out https://discord.com/channels/330944238910963714/1284968640189304913 - it should help you find where you are going. No politics, religion, or any other obviously contentious topics! Please ensure you've read the Code of Conduct (https://www.home-assistant.io/code_of_conduct/), and #rules.

[static burrow]

The alerts do that too! But the kids don't have mobile devices.

[clear ferry]

Because range

[clear ferry]

You are aware that I'm rolling out hundreds of servers that are €500k each?

[civic citrus]

Send one to me please

We just have about 50-100 x2 sites and I only have Vsphere admin not physical acess

[clear ferry]

Laughs in VMware design and deploy certified

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-4095597578532971838

[stuck anchor]

we are actively planning how to reduce our vmware footprint dramatically after their licensing shenanigans now that broadcom is in the drivers seat. we actually had to go the legal route to fight the new prices they tried to slap on us.

i did have a lorawan gateway up and running for a while. i'll have to see if i can get it up and running again.

it was a ttn node

[ocean oar]

Mine translates to MQTT, sends its data straight into HA

All local 🙂

[stuck anchor]

i thought it could be nice to offer a ttn gateway here that could cover the local wooden yacht club. enable lorawan based sensors aboard the boats

since for some reason the board decided they did not want to build out wifi coverage

but i think they may be rethinking that decision now. so maybe we can get wifi with a outdoor antenna pointing in the direction of the boats

[ocean oar]

What sort of distance do you need?

[stuck anchor]

if they do go for wifi subscription in the club house (would make life easier for presenters at meetings, etc) they would need 50-250m (so those furthest away may need a repeater mounted in one of the boxes for electrical outlets)

for lorawan i think it would be just 700m from my house

[ocean oar]

700m is cake easy for lora, 250m is pushing it for wifi

[stuck anchor]

exactly

but wifi may be easier to get to grips with for a club where the mean age of the members is above 60

i am 60, and i am one of the young ones

[ocean oar]

I have an outdoor WiFi AP with a directional antenna (rated 8dBi@2.4GHz, 10dBi@5GHz), it provides perfect signal at 30-50m, and just about usable at 100m.

Given a ludicrous amount of gain you might be able to push those kind of numbers, but WiFi starts to get pretty unreliable (hidden node problem, and all that) at distance

[stuck anchor]

i was thinking pull a poe ethernet cable along the electrical cables out to a box 150m out and set up a mesh node there

[dawn badge]

ethernet limit is 100m

[stuck anchor]

find one 100m out then 🙂

we have a handful of those boxes along the shore to offer power out to the boats. but they are metal, so might need mesh nodes for outdoor use and/or with support for external antennas

[dawn badge]

better running fiber and power instead of poe if your talking 100m+

you could use point to point directional atennas to get the range and then mesh on other side i guess

[wraith sapphire]

Can’t get out of the-water-cooler

[stuck anchor]

that is a good option. power is, after all, available in those boxes, but they are connected to power measurement so that we can charge the users. i don't know if there are any non-measured ones in those boxes

first they have to decide to get that wifi anyway. i think it's a no-brainer

then start with a directional antenna in the general direction of the boats on the club house wall

[dawn badge]

put in another tracker in for your equipment and then just credit that back to them?

[stuck anchor]

that's what i thought could be a workaround

[dawn badge]

pick the person thats easiest to work with and explain it to them over lunch 🙂

[stuck anchor]

would make our meeting room/kitchen area more attractive to hire out as well

if there is internet available without using your own phone

[dawn badge]

as long as you make it easy most people are amenable to helping improve stuff

[wraith sapphire]

No matter what channel I pick done reading check out water cooler covers the bottom so can’t post to other channels

[dawn badge]

the support channels are forum style. you create a new post in them

[clear ferry]

You should migrate to our solution

[stuck anchor]

openshift is the new mantra here. the problem is that the big telco software providers say "sure, openshift is what we support. but it must be our openshift"

[clear ferry]

Openshift is great

but Hypershift is greater

😄

but if you want a stopgap proper hypervisor that supports cloud orchestration and can manage your existing vmware platform while you migrate

https://www.hpe.com/no/en/hpe-vm-essentials.html

and costs a fraction of vmware licenses

[desert cave]

imagine paying for hypervisors

[clear ferry]

laughs in uptime

https://tenor.com/bAoyx.gif

that said, kubevirt is pretty fun

[desert cave]

uptime means you're not applying security patches :3

[clear ferry]

or you have rolling updates

[desert cave]

(kubevirt is fun though, yes)

we have some ancient systems at $work that don't fail over easily.. and we're going for StateRAMP, which says everything gets patched quarterly at minimum. It's going to be fuuun :D

[clear ferry]

They aren't HP-UX systems from 1996 ?

https://tenor.com/bOQ9o.gif

[desert cave]

haha.. thankfully not that bad, but definitely problematic SPOFs

at least we're getting Eng time this year to move away from them

[clear ferry]

nothing is quite a good a SPOF as a SPOF in critical infrastructure

I know an airport that has a french system for landinglights, it cannot run in HA, so they have two servers, one is on, the other is off, and I'm pretty sure they have never tested the second server

[desert cave]

hahaha

[clear ferry]

or like when I was working with a railroad system and they had a firmware bug that was failing HDDs randomly, without reason, and I told them "you need to patch these systems, because we can't replace two drives a week, and you are running unsupported versions"
"we cannot patch, we cannot afford downtime"

So I gave them 3 months, and they still refused to patch, so I told management to cancel their support contract, no more drives for you, enjoy your downtime

[desert cave]

yeaah.. we have a single server in each datacenter, that if it goes offline, no customers can write data to that datacenter, because one of the founders 15 years ago hated databases, and insisted on using flat files instead. (that's the thing we're moving away from, thankfully)

[clear ferry]

LOL

Someone woke up, "fuck I hate databases" and the rest is history

[ocean oar]

What are a collection of files though, if not a database by another name

[desert cave]

or.. the "uniqueness" server, which handles all new accounts, and all S3 bucket creation company wide :D

(sooo much tech debt)

[clear ferry]

don't come here with your logic @ocean oar next you'll tell me that we had cloud before 2012 and data lakes are just fileservers without any structure

[desert cave]

in our case, flat file database means 100-200TB of text files sitting on a ZFS pool >.>

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/bVO8f.gif

that's only half a diskshelf

[desert cave]

well, they are on pure SSD, but yeah.. it's a single disk shelf each basically

[ocean oar]

Even on SSD, I bet that's fun for performance