#the-water-cooler

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unborn merlin
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things that require a CDL to drive usually I think?

forest edge
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that isn't hard to get

unborn merlin
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yes but.. its a marginal extra step beyond the "kiddys first car ride" that is most usual license tests..

forest edge
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so is motorcycles yet.. doesn't deter people lol

unborn merlin
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also feel like most idiot driver stuff is just

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morons on their phones.

ocean oar
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The least serious-seeming license test I've ever sat was definitely the one that allows me to drive a forklift on the road.
(separate and distinct from the 3-yearly certification to drive the forklift at all)

unborn merlin
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I'm reminded of that german safety video I think?

ocean oar
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Considering it allows me to drive a vehicle that weighs 35 tons (~77,000lb) with sharp prongs on the front of it, you'd think there'd be a bit more rigor

unborn merlin
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and I know an uncle who got nearly killed by a forklift driver so.. yeah

forest edge
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here it's legal to drive marked tractors even without any license on roads

static schooner
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They race those things

unborn merlin
ocean oar
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Forklifts here have to be specifically road registered (has a license plate and everything), and have to have indicators which a standard one doesn't

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Tell you what though it isn't all that fun. Roads aren't all that smooth, and the only suspension is in the seat

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Also only does about 16km/h going flat out

forest edge
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which is why they allow it

static schooner
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Modern day jousting

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In contrast to Joosting

iron granite
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Drunk jousting?

static schooner
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Which is drinking while cycling

ocean oar
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Need one of the single prong attachments for lifting rolls of carpet

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static schooner
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That's a mechanized narwhal

solar zealot
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That's a temp probe a a big steak

iron granite
forest edge
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too bad it's ai generated

lone dagger
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It just needs a few touch ups.

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But otherwise it’s ready for eyes. BongoCatEyes

ocean oar
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It can have mine. So I don't have to look at it again

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😛

tidal bronze
brittle edge
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Anyone play with remote control dampers?

Would love to send most my air, in the morning, to the bedrooms, and then throttle them down for the rest of the day

lone dagger
# tidal bronze Too much free time

And I fixed the automations I have for notifications because I had an amazing User Experience. I found out all day calendar events makes it so the calendar doesn’t turn to its Off state if you have sequential but differing all day items. JoyStroke

last cedar
forest edge
gilded kestrel
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Hi people. Not sure if the channel is correct. Correct me if required. Thank you.
I'm thinking of a using a pc with 24x7 operation. Apps I'm running are plex, home assistant, adguard, (some backup app) etc, nothing power extensive. Currently I have a PC running i5-11400 with Corsair SF600 80 Plus Platinum PSU with Truenas scale.
I want to know if I can run this PSU 24x7 safely or should I get some mini PC like Beelink S12 Pro etc which have barrel plug adapter? Power consumption is not an issue for me.
What I mean from safely is a Platinum PSU would be safer bet than an external powered barrel jack adapter came with a mini pc?

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gilded kestrel
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Thank you bopcorn

clear ferry
last cedar
dry dew
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Anyone else have issues with Flightradar24 custom thingy? The log is telling me to create a bug report on the github.

iron granite
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In that case you should create a bug report on that GitHub repo.

dry dew
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Well it would be a bit unnecessary if someone else already did, so I'm asking around first. But I'll try to report it when I get back.

iron granite
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You would have to check that GitHub repo yourself, if someone already has reported that.

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And this is not a support channel.

silent doveBOT
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last cedar
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@iron granite there is no mention of raccoons anywhere in the bot text

iron granite
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Because they chill in the bins?

iron granite
primal laurel
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me when the mailman has a package

carmine geyser
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/rant - Writing an integration for HA is an exercise in self harm. I create a light.. perfect, then I created a socket client to connect to my lighting controller... fine - it works. Now merge the code together and hell breaks loose. "Blocking call detected", "This API is deprecated" "Cant do threads outside main loop" . My python is not that great, but having the need for a University Masters degree in Astrophysics is beyond me just to control and ON/OFF. I am 12hrs away from giving up and going back to MQTT

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/rant over... breathing again

carmine geyser
# silent dove

Thanks.. wasnt asking for support - just a vent, breath and continue

primal laurel
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also I would just copy some other integration and modify that until it does what you want

glacial knot
primal laurel
glacial knot
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if it saves you from the plight that is python, alwasy go MQTT probsLUL

primal laurel
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native integrations are far superior than anything you can glue together with mqtt

glacial knot
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in what way?

primal laurel
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every way

glacial knot
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oh no, you don't know one rooD

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I suspect there's some around services
but so far I have not had a need to worry about that

crisp oriole
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Music works again.

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Lost my sql db.

clear ferry
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mqtt > any native integration

glacial knot
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oh, I thought Stefan is gone. But he actually just doesn't have a point probsLUL

stuck anchor
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around here they have a pretty efficient (but there are idiots thicker than the regular ones) way to deal with it. 100-200m before the overpass you set up a beam across the road and hang a quite heavy and solid steel sign at the max height using solid chains. when a truck hits that sign they will really notice. and they still have time to stop.

solar zealot
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They do also really notice and stop with the other design KEKAH

crisp oriole
stuck anchor
solar zealot
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They should just mandate being able to read and understand street signs as a qualification to operate heavy vehicles

glacial knot
solar zealot
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Not to mention that checking your vehicle isn't exactly forbidden before driving it

primal laurel
glacial knot
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you've now twice not managed to provide a single argument in favor

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essentially thrice

primal laurel
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im not interested in arguing with you

glacial knot
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you mean qualified?

weak musk
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Stop being shitheads guys, it’s too early for that

solar zealot
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u guys should really get of your low horse and embrace modbus

glacial knot
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more of an Ethercat guy yagaGa

solar zealot
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sold me on cat

glacial knot
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though I don't usually deal with it directly. Just part of our tech stack at work

midnight adder
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<--- me opening discord to ask a question to the Home Assistant community and then remembering the discord channel is a hot mess

clear ferry
loud pike
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Always blows my mind when I see people talking about how they're not sure a PSU can run 24/7 on a thing, and meanwhile I'm over here like "wait, you guys turn your PCs off ever?"

...and I think in the entire history of my PC nerd life that is presently rapidly approaching 40.... I have lost one PSU to failure.

shell basalt
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this is more of a mild mess right now

loud pike
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Which honestly makes sense if you think about it. Electronic devices wear less from being on steady than they do from being turned on and off a lot. Especially cap-heavy stuff like power supplies.

shell basalt
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with the number of fans and other cooling in modern pcs, especially gaming pcs, I dont think I'd want to keep those running 24/7

loud pike
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My present desktop has killed one fan. And that one was my fault.

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(I didn't clean the dust screen for a long time and it got choked up)

shell basalt
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fan murderer

solar zealot
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people simply dont know because its not what they thought about

loud pike
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Also to be fair, it was a corsair stock fan, they're not known for being reliable. or good.

shell basalt
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yeah but that fan had a family.. a wife.. kids.. one just starting high school

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monster

loud pike
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(I'm the dork who sees discarded PCs at the curbside/dumpsters and comes out with a screwdriver to pick them clean of parts. The fans almost always still work just fine. Same with the PSUs, the RAM is usually pretty reliable, SSDs are usually pretty low on write cycles, etc.

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Seriously, the parts I end up killing are almost always mobos and CPUs. And the cpus usually die because they've been in constant operation for about 4 years longer than their listed lifespan. XD

lone dagger
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Today I’m going to try to fix up my e-paper display.

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I have the basics, now to fuck it up with my amateur skills.

loud pike
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e paper.... eep paper.... that's now in my head forever.

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It's not broken, it's just eepy.

lone dagger
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EEPY SCREEN

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Fun fact: if you set a calendar date in HA to 12:00am - 11:59pm, most times it will set itself as 12:00am - 12:00am the next day as if it’s set to all day.

It’s also inconsistently doing that.

Fun bug. 😂

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No, Home Assistant, I want that 1 minute of Off time!!!

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😂 😂 😂

primal laurel
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I think that's decent

glacial knot
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is that a bug or a feature?

loud pike
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Hell, my server's running off a 500 watt PSU I found in a goodwill.

glacial knot
lone dagger
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Reminds me that I need to change my backup schedule because I set it at midnight Fridays and that could interrupt getting the notifications at midnight...

glacial knot
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o.0 does the backup take HA offline for a moment?

lone dagger
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Actually, I don't know now. ankha_think

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I am so used to backing up when I update instead of the automatic backups that I didn't think about maybe it doesn't actually shut down the instance.

glacial knot
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😂

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I just snapshot the underlying file system, so I'm too lazy to even look into it

lone dagger
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Well, I got a notification last night for 1 of the items, but not the other - I have 2 items on the calendar I should have been alerted to today.

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Now I have to accommodate for THAT.

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🙈

peak slate
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True champion

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$50 psu

fiery gyro
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Are binary sensors exposed to Google Assistant still not supported?

silent doveBOT
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The topic of this channel is:

There’s no support here - only chill. Come in, grab a drink, chat with your fellow community members! This is a space to talk to other smart home enthusiasts. If you’re looking for support and unsure where to go, check out https://discord.com/channels/330944238910963714/1284968640189304913 - it should help you find where you are going. No politics, religion, or any other obviously contentious topics! Please ensure you've read the Code of Conduct (https://www.home-assistant.io/code_of_conduct/), and #rules.

last cedar
lone dagger
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I am not asking for support lol.

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I am barely even reporting this! 🤣

iron granite
last cedar
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Powered on my shield, only hissing from the HDMI, no audio at all.

Updating to 9.2 fixed it, 100% conspiracy to get me to update, clearly

last cedar
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You will have to let the devs know and hope they fix it 😄

lone dagger
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I would be curious if it's even fixable. It seems like a fairly easy thing to adjust All Day items but then I think about the fact that I am not sure if other calendars behave the same. ankha_think

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Anyway, if anyone remembers that one time I was trying to get a cute weather button that tells me things like what I should wear instead of the actual weather I am attempting that again. AkkoLaugh

last cedar
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By 1200am to 1159pm you mean what google would refer to as the whole day?

lone dagger
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Yeah. Like, does Google or Apple Calendars do the same thing? Also, is it a unique thing to us since triggers are on states and messages? It's an interesting bug.

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Or rather, behavior. I think it's a bug because it's inconsistent.

last cedar
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Google has a button to press to make it the whole day

lone dagger
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Yeah so do we.

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But if I intentionally set it to 12a - 11:59p some of the items were moving them up a minute.

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So it would be 12a - 12a.

last cedar
lone dagger
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Google makes things magic - we don't.

last cedar
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It removes the time and just uses date to date

lone dagger
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How is it working behind the UI?

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That is my curiosity.

last cedar
deft pewter
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If only you worked for the same company as the devs that made it and could ask them directly

last cedar
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Like this

lone dagger
lone dagger
last cedar
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I am mostly interested by bugs that only happen sometimes

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Also, IMO having a whole day option, then asking what day/s would be more elegant

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But that doesn't mean your method shouldn't work

lone dagger
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I ran into it because the calendar doesn't turn Off if you have sequential but differing items.

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So using it as a trigger with a message condition doesn't work.

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One of those cases where my automations didn't work the way I wanted them to the first time. 😂

last cedar
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I understand

lone dagger
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And then today I caught the if there are 2 or more items on the same day at the same time, you only get whatever message goes On first. 🤣

last cedar
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When you find out what the bug was, let us all know so we can laugh

lone dagger
last cedar
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I am assuming a line of code has a full stop instead of a comma

lone dagger
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I bet JLo would randomly dig into this for me. He finds all the weird shit. lul

last cedar
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Or maybe you make it all in yaml

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In that case, someone missed once spacebar press somewhere

iron granite
glacial knot
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Nice. My voice PE are finally in their way

iron granite
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I'm still waiting for my CM5 to upgrade my Yellow. shksD

clear ferry
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Lulz upgrading a yellow

static schooner
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#goals for a Saturday afternoon

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I love that she covers her eyes with her paw

sage cedar
deft pewter
teal elbow
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Was bored so i printed this
could have dialed in the settings better for the text

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mental peak
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Anyone have the Watergate Sonic?

iron granite
last cedar
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Can't remember if I shared this, I got custom engraved tags a while back 🙂

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lone dagger
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Like just regular tags or NFC tags?

thorny drift
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looks to be airtag?

solar zealot
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a raccoon tag

ocean oar
# static schooner #goals for a Saturday afternoon

I took mine for a walk outside yesterday (harness and leash, for the indoor-only cat). Weirdly he's never been a fan of the outdoors any previous time we'd tried, but had a great time sniffing flowers and chewing on grass.

static schooner
ocean oar
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Look at this big doofus

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solar zealot
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this may be a cat

static schooner
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My cats like to look outside, but I don't know what they'd do if they actually went out. They don't really show much interest

ocean oar
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He's escaped once, when we left the sliding door open a bit too long. He made it along the deck, down the stairs, then stopped right about where he's standing in that picture.

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I don't think his plans extended that far. Paws hit lawn, and any notion of what he was there for just evaporated

loud slate
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Keeping indoor cats is cruel. But so is keeping outdoor cats.

Solution; get a dog

loud pike
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Keeping indoor cats is not cruel at all. They are safe, they are well fed. What's cruel is people getting a cat and not understanding that their head is like 60% ear, and doing a lot of stuff like yelling or bashing things or loud music, etc.

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It's why the cats who are the most chill cats you'll ever meet are usually the ones who live in a home where people don't tend to keep things very loud.

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(Seriously, you ever notice how older folks with predictable schedules always have cats who are super chill and crawl into laps and love everyone? That's why.)

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Also cats like predictable schedules. XD

loud pike
ocean oar
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Indoor cats also live on average about twice as long. Between getting into fights, hit by cars, or if you have larger wild predators in your area.

loud pike
static schooner
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The birds and chipmunks also live longer with indoor cats

ocean oar
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I swear my partner is telling me about a new "lost cat" post on the facebook page for our suburb at least every other week

loud pike
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Outside has scratches and bites and bugs and other scrapes, and cats have a habit of licking wounds. Which creates granulomas, which can go septic real fast.

loud pike
ocean oar
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Considering too that birds are the vast majority of what NZ has by way of native wildlife, we like to protect them.

loud pike
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lol my goofy dork cat would grab a bird..... and give it a bath. Seriously. EVERYTHING is his kitten.

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Though he did almost catch a sparrow once. Mind you, the sparrow was inside the apartment because it'd crawled all the way into the vent line... and had stopped the vent fan with his foot...

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So I opened the vent door... and there's about a three second comedy timing of "Oh that's a BIRD. Wait why is the bird holding the fan blade.... Oh shit the bird is in the apartment now."

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Thankfully my ex's kid was a little hellion and had cut holes in her window screen and I was able to chase the bird into her room, close the door behind us both with the cat outside of the door, and open the window and chase the bird out of the hole.

lone dagger
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There's an outdoor cat in our neighborhood that has a tracker on its collar. I find it bizarre to have an outdoor cat out where there are mountain lions, but uh they aren't me. lul

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For sure, but we specifically live in an area where there are signs just a couple blocks away saying there are mountain lions and bears. lul

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I am pretty sure the raccoons would fuck up a cat, too.

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This cat is still alive, to be clear. It shows up on my patio and teases our cats.

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I just find it bizarre to willingly have an outdoor cat with large predators in the area.

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What is the point, indeed. 😄

sage cedar
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Barn cats...

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stuck anchor
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had two german shepherds some years back who were experts at chasing cats up trees.

when they saw a cat they exchanged a glance, then one sneaked around while the other caught the cats attention. then the trap was closed and the cat fled screaming up a tree. and two content dogs continued whatever they were doing.

weak musk
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german shepherds are the funniest animals

stuck anchor
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one of them had found a sand filled spot in the garden that was cool in the summer so she loved laying down there. but it was also a favorite spot for sparrows. it didn't take them long to discover that it was perfectly safe to continue their sandbathing between the legs of the dog. guaranteed safe from cats.

ocean oar
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Our neighbours have chickens, which occasionally roam into our garden. The cats stare at them, but don't think they have any concept on what a chicken really is

static schooner
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Maybe they'd recognize it as part of their food 🙂

lone dagger
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My GSD is scared of our cats.

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Giant ball of anxiety.

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😂

weak musk
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Mine (she's half GSD and half Aussie) freaked out about a funnel someone left in their front lawn the other day

crisp oriole
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Yes i got iodine working. feeling myself a leet hack0r

iron granite
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The cat we had long time ago was the boss of the German Shepherds.

static schooner
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good for riding around

iron granite
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If the cat wanted to be alone on a dog bed, the dog had to find another place to sleep.

lone dagger
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Yep that’s how it is in my house.

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She’s so dumb.

iron granite
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My credit card is expiring and I cannot renew the existing one.
I have to order a new one and that would cancel the old one - and I cannot use the new one until it physically arrives and it's activated.
fackel

peak slate
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Hey this cat in my backyard looks pretty strange

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Do you know what breed it is?

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(amusingly there were like 3 strays there just watching it or ignoring it)

ocean oar
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I had a daytime possum (the other kind of possum, though) recently. It looks like (from the doorbell camera) it fell out of a tree and dazed itself.

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Kinda flopped about on the deck for a bit, eventually perked up and buggered off

peak slate
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The possum who wandered in for cat food was limping on one of its back feet

tidal bronze
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@forest edge still number 2

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loud pike
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(gets sent some eufy solar cams. Sees eufy integration in HA. Gets excited. Turns out the integration only works with lights and switches and does nothing with the camera system at all.)

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(aggressive head-desking ensues)

loud pike
# ocean oar

That is a cat who is deeply confused and does not know if the weird dinosaur is Friend, Dinner, or Evil.

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loud pike
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I have no idea. XD

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These are made entirely for outdoor use so I have very little give-a-damn about if someone can see the feed of the street. But yeah.

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loud pike
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I mean, it could be worse. Could be tplink or yi. Which are both required to report back to the CCP with any data demanded and keep NOTHING hidden.... and most of the cameras they sell are indoor...

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Which creates a BIT more of a privacy concern, what with the "indoors is where the pants come off" thing.

ocean oar
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Outdoors can be where the pants come off too, you just have to believe in yourself

stuck anchor
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sounds a lot like american... as seen from europe...

loud pike
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with eufy its not so much the security issue. its the fact they outright lied and said it wasnt a thing and didnt fix it. although they may have done further down the line after it blow up

loud pike
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Heh. Sounds like Jeep. XD

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Some white hats found an exploit in the tire pressure sensors that gave them full control over every system in the vehicle. They brought it to Jeep. Jeep yelled at them for daring to publish it and expose the flaw and said they'd "Consider addressing it at the next quarterly meeting".

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chaos

stuck anchor
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bmw had encrypted the traffic on some internal bus. probably the canbus the critical systems live on? but if you patched in something that used wrong encryption key some node on the bus would send the correct one back... probable some dev feature that should not be in the prod build?

loud pike
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For comparison...

Some guy with an Ioniq 5 mentioned that the brake lights, which were entirely within what regulatory bodies require, didn't illuminate under certain one-pedal driving conditions.

He didn't even try to contact Hyundai directly. Just made a video.

Hyundai got in touch with him, said they understood the problem and one over-the-air update later, the problem was gone.

loud pike
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there was the thing in Missouri a while back where they had the 100k govenment employees infomation exposed on a webpage and when they were informed the governer went mad and tried to have the "hacker who read the html" arrested

loud pike
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(For those not in the know.... old WEP secured(ha!) wifi would send the key over the air CONSTANTLY.

So anyone with a basic packet sniffer could check for the same length and composition, and within about 20 packets, they'd have your wep access key for your wifi.

loud pike
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remember f12 might be illegal

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wep cracking days were good, wifi almsot anywhere before mobile internet was good

loud pike
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I remember seeing a show on the web where they talked about that that streamed over a VERY early shoutcast station(Imagine Twitch but anything goes, and only about 50 people could watch a stream at a time. Maybe less.).... The same show also showed how to mod a PSP to increase the wifi range using a drill, a new port, and an antenna extension...... and the guy doing the tutorial did it all live. And ground a hole into the screen cover of his PSP.

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Same show also had an anonymous guy who had gotten a hold of a traffic light remote... but refused to show it in use and ran away halfway into the interview.

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Early web2.0 was a weird time. XD

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was the crossover of new tech being available but lots of places still using old tech

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well that still happens but not to the extreme it was at the time

loud pike
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heh.... heh heh...

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(thinks of state offices that still use dummy terminals. Or how a pizza hut call center I worked at used full physical dummy terminals. Green text and all.)

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The lovely combination of "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" and "The only people who knew how to migrate this old system off retired 20 years ago"

stuck anchor
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a company delivering some software listed a load of x resources that had to be loaded into the x server. that's not the right way to do it. you usually tell the window system about a file containing resources for the running application and the libraries you use will hide all this. loading a ton of resources into the x server itself makes it grow big and need more memory.

so i guessed the application could use a resource file, traced execution to find the names of files it tried to open and bingo. put resources into that file and problem solved

sent email to the company asking them to amend their documentation so customers could use that resource file - and got a threat of legal action for reverse engineering their software...

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yup, but if stuff is easily explotable it evently ends up costing more money then the upgrade too

loud pike
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yup definetly

loud pike
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Exploits are bad. A board blowing that hasn't been manufactured since 1982 is so much worse. XD

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And when you're talking big iron, those boards aren't even cheap new. XD

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When I was at intel, we had tester boards in four stacks of test heads.... They all had to be manufactured to spec to each socket...

Engineering did not tell us there was a change between two socket types in pinout. Literally everything else from pin count to the shape was the same.

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Four stacks of 12 boards fried. 16 grand each.

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loud pike
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Each Board. Not stack.

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ouch

loud pike
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yeeeeeeah. Dark day for verification lab.

stuck anchor
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lots of magic smoke leak?

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run a critical part of banking infrastructure for all banks in the country on a really old high availability cluster consisting of 2 big nodes. so old the vendor offers no support and no way to buy a third node.

run both at near 100% capacity

one crashes. the other one tries to take over and freezes up as it tries to climb to 200% of capacity

all payment terminals, atm's etc stop working nationwide

on the last day people can buy alcohol before easter holiday...

when system finally comes up buy a third node used from a broker rather than start migration to a new platform

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was cheaper short term and the person who decides claims its having money to do it that way. and by the time its a long term problem they have moved on somewhere else and its no longer their problem

unborn merlin
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<replaces both with a single epyc system taht just does all of it without problems ever. /s >

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🤣

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or hey maybe a pi5 might handle it fine too.

forest edge
tulip sail
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how come you cant middle click open new tabs like in /config/devices/dashboard

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am i doing something wrong

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did we just turn over 2 pages at once?

ocean oar
unborn merlin
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until a day in the future

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when the hardware finally breaks and they cant get replacements.

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"WHAT DO YOU MEAN WE CAN'T REPLACE IT IMMEDIATELY?!"

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"Yeah, we brought this up several times it was always too much for you."

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🤷‍♂️

ocean oar
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We're at that point with a few things at work. The kicking-the-can-down-the-road worked for too long, but now inflated support costs are starting to bite.
Getting cheaper to replace things (with hardware that's better in every way) than keep what we have

unborn merlin
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replacae both ibm things with....

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.... an intel NUC. /s

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🤣

ocean oar
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It's nice when the vendor can't put the screws on at least to force the issue. But either way, not (currently) my problem

unborn merlin
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wait wait no.. we shoiuld at least go HA..

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three intel NUC's. /s

unborn merlin
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🤣

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just open it up and its a NUC sitting inside.

ocean oar
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Raspberry pi

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In a 4u rack mount case

unborn merlin
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with a pci breakout for a SAS HBA

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🤣

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"So this new computer cost how much again?"

glacial knot
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NUCs and a single ubiquity switch

unborn merlin
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NUCS on POE. 😛

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Single wire to each.

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sitting on top of the old battery backup units.

ocean oar
glacial knot
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I've seen Minisforum a lot recently

unborn merlin
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they're fairly popular for minipc/NUC types

ocean oar
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Their products seem to be a mixed bag. Their homelab-darling "MS-01" apparently has issues with the 10G network ports dropping randomly that people are super angry about (mine has been absolutely fine though).
Considering their products aren't absurdly expensive, you do get a pretty decent feature set

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For me, being able to have a mini PC with 10G Ethernet and stuff an HBA in it was a big draw

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One thing I will say, having to figure out how to update the BIOS manually from the EFI shell using a flash drive suuuuucked.
Have been spoiled by machines with EFI capsule updates where it just... happens

unborn merlin
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I mean.. hopefully my new nas thing is stable nuff I dont expect much bios updates from random china company 😄

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though I have also considered ripping the bios and taking a look at it.

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out of curiosity.

glacial knot
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Yea, being able to use fwupd for updates is really nice

unborn merlin
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judging by that.. I think thats doable if the board is understood or something?

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Or somethn.. 🤔

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i should get a 2.5g switch.. only recently learned my weird ali board has 2.5g standard NIC instead of gigabit.. may not even ened to go full 10g.

glacial knot
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dumping a BIOS? You juts need to find the flash that stores it. They are fairly standard

unborn merlin
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yeaha I know I even got a dumper for it

ocean oar
unborn merlin
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🤷‍♂️

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was already tempted somewhat to see if I could.. manage to find and enable pcie bifurcation

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so I can properly use that 16x slot 😛

glacial knot
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I suspect that's harder than just flipping some bits

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I do want to look into coreboot at some point though

unborn merlin
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https://winraid.level1techs.com/t/guide-how-to-bifurcate-a-pci-e-slot/32279/61?page=4

Its not actually too terrible

Win-Raid Forum
[Guide] - How to Bifurcate a PCI-E slot

Just to give you an idea, apparently the Nvidia card, which sits in PCI slot 1, turns out being Root port 3a IOU1 and Root port 2a says it has full x16 bandwidth, but all sub-PCI’s only state x8. Weird design. I’m afraid it’s not going to offer x4x4x4x4 anywhere in this case (especially in this case). (ignore all currently connected devices, the...

ocean oar
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I had a laptop back in 2009 that I had to flip some bits in the BIOS just to get virtualisation. Did not enjoy

unborn merlin
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its annoying that.. active PCIe switches

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are so goddamned expensive

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(broadcoms fault, actually)

ocean oar
unborn merlin
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yeah I know

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but like.

Give me just..

Upstream 16x..

downstream 8x8

ocean oar
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When you compare that to Broadcom's 48 lane PCIe 4.0 offerings though

unborn merlin
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its dumb. 😐

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its not needed

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I just sorta wanted to have all that access

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its got 3 NVME slots, 16x and 4x

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(the 4x is also 16x sized at least)

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obnoxiously I"m pretty sure that 16x is pcie-5

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so like.. thats even more bandwidth just wasted on my 9300 SAS HBA

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but I did at least (before my ram showed to be bad) manage to get the intel iGPU into virtualization mode so.. I can at least do small VM's with transcoding and etc no problem.

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if only nvidia wasn't such an absolute asshole about letting people do that with their cards. 🙃

ocean oar
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If only they weren't such an absolute asshole about... name a thing

unborn merlin
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but iGPU will be more than sufficient for what I want.

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especially for my other goal of removing my old dual xeon and moving to this

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reducing the godsdamned power usage. 😄

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  • a tesla m40 and two old ass xeons..
clear ferry
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laughs in $0.005 per kwh

glacial knot
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=.=

dawn badge
clear ferry
forest edge
clear ferry
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No, but screw them

crisp oriole
loud pike
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Are the norwats anything like the goblins?

crisp oriole
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goblins can be norwats. not all norwats are goblins

loud pike
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goblin deez nuts OOOOOOOOOOH GOTTEM.

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Remind me to find a way to hijack google/alexa's system in HA so that it detects new people and gets them with deez nuts jokes on first meeting...

clear ferry
loud pike
crisp oriole
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by a slime domansticated goblins do not count

loud pike
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I could have posted another gif from that show but it's a bit bouncy. So instead... they did the Salt Bae thing. XD

manic estuary
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Guys I'm looking for a sensor that measures the outside sun light. So I can automate my lights turning off or on on a sunny day any recommendations ?

keen bridge
iron granite
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Please do not crosspost!

silent doveBOT
#
Rule 7

Use the correct channels or threads for your messages. If there's a better place for the current conversation then use it, and don't post or link to the same thing in multiple places. Also check the description in each channel before posting, as extended rules may exist for that channel.

warm arrow
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Good God, I apologize! 🤯

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I'm literally asking where "a better place" might be, or a different phrasing, or a different anything.

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And I'm asking here, at the "water cooler", because there is NO generic channel on this server.

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Imagine a situation where you and I would literally be meeting at a water cooler in an office, and you're hanging out there, instead of just dropping in, getting your cup of water, and heading back to your desk. Would that not be the place for me to ask where the proper place and way for asking a specific kind of question might be?

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But no, instead I'm being shot down as some kind of villain and the question about where and how to ask is immediately deleted.

iron granite
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It was deleted, because it was against the server rules.

weak musk
warm arrow
warm arrow
keen bridge
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As a moderator it's our jobs to make sure the right posts are in the right place. Hence deleting things in the wrong places.

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It's also extraordinarily unhelpful to have things left in the wrong place from a "help" side. People answer in 2 places, and it also encourages people to post in the wrong channels because "they did it!"

iron granite
primal laurel
keen bridge
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In fact, it's explicitly part of the server rules you agreed to when you joined 😉

warm arrow
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I agree, Rosemary, although that's a very harsh interpretation of those rules. I stand by what I said. And if telling someone how I feel about the way they handled something is "a personal attack and gets me banned, Stefan, then, wow, that'd be a toxic culture of all-rules, no-explanations, that I would not want to be around that culture any further.

hidden rune
warm arrow
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It's entirely understandable people wish to keep on-topic and off-topic things separate, as it can get very dense otherwise. But at the same time ... without a certain amount of tolerance for spill-over, that usually goes wrong the otehr way, though.

primal laurel
hidden rune
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It is also about the attraction of the server

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if i can only talk ontopic on a server and have no allowance to drift offtopic on the ontopic, then i will not have much motivation to often look at the chat. I will only look at the discord in the moment where i need to talk about something Home Assistant, so you got 17000 people here, 50 channels and no activity.

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(and i am actually already demotivated to ask my most simple question, i put it on the support channel and dont have an answer, cause people do not look at it at all, why should they? checking all the time every thread in the threads channel? People just dont do that)

weak musk
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lol activity is up across the entire server, less stuff is lost in a flurry of messages, and user count is growing month over month

iron granite
hidden rune
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yeah sorry cause i dont know WHICH ONE IS THE RIGHT ONE

weak musk
iron granite
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Meaning: to an even more limited set of people

hidden rune
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so we already get into the first example of problems that exist cause of this situation

iron granite
hidden rune
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what i do with that? i cant post there

iron granite
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You can read it.

weak musk
hidden rune
#

and what should i read there?

keen bridge
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The text.

hidden rune
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oh god, so i need an instruction manual for using the discord?

keen bridge
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The first rule of getting help is trying to help yourself 😉

iron granite
hidden rune
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yeah ok, you are right, that is how it supposed to should be 😄

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yeah sure 😄

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all good

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<facepalm>

weak musk
keen bridge
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Think of a shopping mall. If you walk into Sephora and ask for sushi they'll tell you you're in the wrong place. So you need to figure out where to go first.

hidden rune
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Trust me, i dont have any interest anymore. I will find out myself, cause.

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Oh right

warm arrow
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In general I'm noticing that a lot of older folks like me, who are used to IRC, are sometimes getting in trouble with Discord because of how things work, which can be very different from IRC.

hidden rune
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no its actually a concept problem

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because of the threads, but i am unwilling to discuss this, because the Discord mods never care for actually caring for the reality. Yeah, so I better leave, cause I don't see anything growing here or of value. I will probably just make github issues. Bye bye!

static schooner
keen bridge
weak musk
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You’re thinking of the parasites in the fish rob

static schooner
weak musk
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He’s gone

keen bridge
warm arrow
# keen bridge You need to get the sushi first and take it to Sephora

I do have difficulties with these things, as well, Rosemary. On IRC, I might have joined a channel called "homeassistant" and asked there. One single channel. Here, there's so much going on, just alone visually, that it really conflicts with my ADHD (and age, a little bit, as mentioned, because of being used to something else). It's getting better, but oftentimes, only through the kind of conflict you see above. Discord does have a very different culture, and seems not very aware of that.

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Also, what's "Sephora"?

weak musk
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Makeup

warm arrow
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Ah, I see.

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And what does "yeet" mean?

iron granite
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Yeet = gone

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Just not by themselves

weak musk
warm arrow
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Ah, probably the latter, then, above.

static schooner
clear ferry
warm arrow
#

😅

weak musk
clear ferry
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Pretty similar to me kicking out Lenovo on customer sites 🎉

keen bridge
lone dagger
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Love seeing people say they dislike the forum channels and will go make posts on something that’s essentially a forum. 😂 😂 😂

warm arrow
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Huh?

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Oh, you mean Getty.

lone dagger
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GitHub Issues posts are basically a forum thread.

glacial knot
weak musk
warm arrow
# keen bridge I have ADHD too. But if you tried to condense this server down into a few channe...

ADHD on its own doesn't tell a lot, I think it's the combo of ADHD (and I know similar things from friends with ASD) and things being very different from how you're used to ... that's what let's it quickly get more emotional.
That said, with either concept/style/layout/setup of communication, wherever there's rules that a community has set for it self, it's usually a good thing when that community also develops a culture of easing newcomers into those rules, instead of just handing them a contract and saying "here, read that, sign it, stick to it".

weak musk
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For what it’s worth the admin of the discord ( @lone dagger ) does listen to the feedback and is actively trying to adjust things now

lone dagger
keen bridge
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But forums also solved so many issues we had before they were implemented

lone dagger
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What a lot of people don’t think about is I’m making a pizza for 130k people. I cannot please everyone. I can make it easier for most.

clear ferry
static schooner
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Pepperoni and mushroom for mine, BTW

sage cedar
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But #Pineapples go on Pizza doesn't exist

clear ferry
lone dagger
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Pineapple belongs on pizza

sage cedar
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Excellence

lone dagger
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SEE I LISTEN

sage cedar
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Wait, what? Swedes put bananas on pizza?!?

clear ferry
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Yes

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Weirdos

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They have banana curry pizza too

keen bridge
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... I have questions.

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Mostly "why did you think to do that in the first place?‽ ‽ ‽ !"

clear ferry
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Have you ever met a Swede?

keen bridge
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Yes. A few. I even work with one!

clear ferry
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Hint, @last cedar is a swede

sage cedar
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I don't know how I feel about this, I'm going back to the pineapple on pizza thread... it's safer in there.

warm arrow
# lone dagger You are more than welcome to review the changes I’m bringing to improve the serv...

I read over it, Missy. https://imgur.com/a/best-posting-practices-5u0ps8w looks like it might help me to rework my question and perhaps get a helpful answer then.

Regarding your changes, I think it would have helped me if "find-a-channel" would have had a different name, such as "start-here" ... the reason being, the word "channel" confused me, because (aside from "beta") there's not actually any channels underneath "SUPPORT". They're all forums. So perhaps "find-a-forum" would also work, I just find something like "start-here" a little more inviting.

last cedar
lone dagger
clear ferry
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Like most swedes, not very integrated yes @last cedar

keen bridge
static schooner
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Or even #where-to-ask-a-question

weak musk
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I feel like beating a dead horse 🐴

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Oooh afternoon plans

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Fancy

clear ferry
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How many kids I've seen the last few years on tech discords that go "I've tried putting it into chatgpt and having it do it for me, but it couldn't, help please"

sage cedar
#

I hear there's also going to be dolled up sushi

clear ferry
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"chatgpt said it couldn't be done"

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Is also a good one

iron granite
clear ferry
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Yes, everything has its use, but I've seen so many tech kids that have fundamental understanding lately

last cedar
clear ferry
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Heard a story about a development company that hired a young guy who didn't know how a physical keyboard worked, he had just programmed on the ipad

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LOL

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Like my wife, she has started working with power bi 6 months ago, now the company hired an external power bi consultant, and my wife has to teach him

lone dagger
weak musk
lunar nimbus
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what's everyone using for their ultimate note taking app and is it integrated with AI? TriliumNext and Obsidian come to mind

iron granite
clear ferry
urban wadi
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Is there an easy way of finding my last threads which have no response? Except for searching from: username which can show a lot.

iron granite
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Oh... Was just about to suggest that. shksD

urban wadi
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The threads are obviously shown below the channels but they are removed after a while of inactivity/no response.

iron granite
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They are closed, not removed.

urban wadi
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Yeah, meant removed from the list on the left

iron granite
#

Ah, yes. They disappear from that list when closed.

urban wadi
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How fast are they closed?

iron granite
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After more than 7 days of inactivity we close them or when they are marked as solved.

urban wadi
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But there's no way of seeing that it's closed except for it not showing on the left?

iron granite
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In the list of topics they show up as "older posts".
But Discord has no search filter for that.

urban wadi
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Ok. Is one allowed to bump unanswered thread? I assume that's preferred over creating a new thread?

iron granite
#

In this case it would be okay. It should just not be bumped daily to stay on top of the list for example.

lone dagger
urban wadi
#

How would that work with a bot?

glacial knot
#

bots can do messages only you can see (as channel) or could fork out to DMs

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And provide some more advanced query capabilities. Mostly with links to messages / threads

obsidian temple
#

Rather than starting a whole support thread... simple question... .do I have to have a MATTER hub to control matter devices? Or does it work over wifi? Does the matter plugin simulate a matter hub?

silent doveBOT
#
The topic of this channel is:

There’s no support here - only chill. Come in, grab a drink, chat with your fellow community members! This is a space to talk to other smart home enthusiasts. If you’re looking for support and unsure where to go, check out https://discord.com/channels/330944238910963714/1284968640189304913 - it should help you find where you are going. No politics, religion, or any other obviously contentious topics! Please ensure you've read the Code of Conduct (https://www.home-assistant.io/code_of_conduct/), and #rules.

fading juniper
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I'm really impressed with the voice preview capture quality

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Even from across the room it totally understands me. The wakeword and my question (using faster-whisper medium)

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I thought 2 mikes might not be enough but it works great

fading juniper
glacial knot
#

mine shoudl arrive soon rooH

stuck anchor
# clear ferry Like my wife, she has started working with power bi 6 months ago, now the compan...

my secret weapon is really bad memory. whenever i have not worked on some tech for a while it is wiped from my mind. so i have to keep relearning. which means i learn really fast. still at my age. and with a solid academic and technical background i often end up as a mentor for colleagues even if we start simultaneously on new tech. so my message is; never stop learning. it's never enough.

by relearning all the time i don't get stuck in old ways either. big win for bad memory. 😛

fading juniper
#

I was originally planning to wait for the consumer version

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I mean I assume that will come because this is a 'preview' so there must also be a real thing right? 😁 Otherwise what is it previewing

glacial knot
#

yea, Nabu Casa messaging was that they don't currently plan for a V2 / Non-Preview probsS

lone dagger
fading juniper
#

Ah ok clear then I'll order a second one

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I like the iPod wheel too

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The first gen ipod had a mechanical wheel like that too

weak musk
finite kettle
#

Hey, I'm not sure where to post this and if people are already aware, but I just saw a failed connection attempt from what I presume to be a DigitalOcean droplet in India. My server is exposed through Nabu Casa and through a public CloudFlare tunnel.

I don't know if Home Assistant already requires everyone having a password, but if not, it should probably become a requirement, at-least when exposing through Nabu Casa.

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solar zealot
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well what do you want to tell us with this

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one would expect that login attempts fail if the authentication is invalid

finite kettle
#

basically, I'm just trying to warn that there's bots out there looking for Home Assistant servers they can connect to. I do expect that for something like an SSH server, but I find it very weird that some would look for Home Assistant...

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do you know which protcol those are trying to connect to? are they trying to connect to Home Assistant?

solar zealot
#

whatever "they" are doing is nothing that people need to worry about

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the message just lets you know

finite kettle
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I was warning at all about it because I don't know whether Home Assistant requires users to set passwords. If it doesn't, then these may be able to authenticate on people's passwordless servers. Otherwise, I agree, nothing to worry about.

solar zealot
#

i mean you could literally check to add a user and login without credentials ^^

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in case you want to feel extra secure you have the ability to enable 2fa access

finite kettle
#

weeiird, I should setup something like you to get more insight 😅 I don't know if that connection attempt came through my cloudflare tunnel or through nabu casa

stuck anchor
#

one passive/invisible kind of captcha: have input fields in the html code that are hidden from view. if a bot fills them out during attempts then you know it's a bot attempt.

solar zealot
#

that would be rather weird for a bot to do

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there is usually no need to fill out forms if they can send the request directly

stuck anchor
#

they often fill every field they see, especially if they are trying to create a new user

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which they can not with ha i think

solar zealot
#

it would be very non targeted if that were to happen

glacial knot
#

which most bots are for most users

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having ssh on port 23 already removes most of the noise probsLUL

solar zealot
#

i wouldnt even bother with that can easily block those away and use key auth

stuck anchor
#

i see a lot of attempts on a few joomla sites i manage, and invisible measures like that really work

solar zealot
#

if they are up to using exploits in your software, your passwords dont matter

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the web is even more fun because they just grab your locations from the certs you are issuing

stuck anchor
#

and those bots are quite stupid. even if they always fail in creating a new user they still try logging in as that user afterwards

glacial knot
#

Yea, any login that's not asymmetric high entropy is clearly wrong

glacial knot
solar zealot
#

yes

stuck anchor
#

try enforcing 2fa in a yacht club with average age above 60

glacial knot
#

do you mean location=hostname and CT logs?
Otherwise you gotta expand on that

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sorry, not rich enough to care about yacht clubs probsLUL

solar zealot
#

both as in hostname and as in guess about the software you might be running

stuck anchor
#

old wooden sailing yachts. not modern expensive

glacial knot
#

which field in the cert allows to deduce the software? 🤔
I know plenty of servers tell you when you ask them, unless explicilty configured not to

solar zealot
#

you literally give out a name

glacial knot
#

that's not what I asked probsLUL

solar zealot
#

thats literally what you dont seem to understand

glacial knot
#

how does the name tell you about the software?

solar zealot
#

because stuff more often than not gets named after what it is

glacial knot
#

oh, you mean if it's ha.$domain and done via a specific CT logged cert

#

Yea, don't do that probsLUL

solar zealot
#

yes this, or even worse using the free ones you get at like wordpress n stuff

finite kettle
#

in my case, my domain is home.*****.

solar zealot
#

tho the actual bad thing about it is that they know an endpoint where things are even if they cant assume directly what it would be

glacial knot
#

I get a wildcard for *.local.$domain via LE's DNS01 challenge

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And the ones we have for work are code/product names, not underlying software names

solar zealot
#

wildcard solve some of it at least for home systems

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just dont use them anywhere real ;D

glacial knot
#

Why wouldn't you?

solar zealot
#

potential damage of loss

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being able to validly be anyone isnt great if that were to appear in multiple places

glacial knot
#

Ehh. Though I want to change work to the 6 day certs once LE offers them rooComfy

solar zealot
#

id prefer simply getting specific certs grouped by their host location

stuck anchor
#

for access from outside to my homelab my dns records are just cnames to a duckdns ddns, and hits the same nginx instance that handles the le cert. and then uses self signed on the back end.

glacial knot
#

makes me wonder whether the ingress proxy in GKE supports pkcs12 so we could push the private key for the certs into KMS probsT

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self signed rooD
I think I only have some of those for the intra-cluster communication

solar zealot
#

i could see this being available through kms somehow

stuck anchor
#

self signed, but through my ipa instance.

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so i do have my private self signed ca

solar zealot
#

id be too lazy for that ^^

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if it cant automagically be done with le over caddy/cert.sh im not interested

glacial knot
#

^^ I just have 0 interest in distributing that trust

solar zealot
#

at some point i wanted to switch to traefik for better monitoring but their stuff is just buggy as shite

#

also they dont allow you to do minor scripting

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hurr durr write go middleware to fix request ips from proxies

clear ferry
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I own one domain for my internal stuff, one for my external stuff and one for my lab

solar zealot
#

u sure that you dont have your own tld for your basement?

clear ferry
#

Need to get time to spin up that metallb and Kubernetes, but I'll wait till I get my four new nodes

clear ferry
solar zealot
clear ferry
#

Is that the fritzlbox integration?

solar zealot
#

would be rather locked down

clear ferry
fallen skiff
#

Hi im relatively new to HA and im trying to get started and i need some targeted help to get a few things going.

I'd like to post my questions but i cant seem to post in any room here besides this one, Can somone help me redirect the following questions the right way.

  1. i've done a HAOS virtualbox install on top of fedora server, but, i cant seem to ssh into the VM, despite HA working
  2. the side effect of this is I cant seem to install several things, like HACS, as well as the esphome-influxdb plugin, so i can use influxdb with my shiny new esphome device. Not sure if there is a workaround for this.

Please help.

clear ferry
#

Both of these are os related and are pretty common there are lots of guides out there just by googling that, that said, no support in here

fallen skiff
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I have searched the installation help section and despite the assertion this is common in dont see it there. Should I post in "installation" ? It would be great to find a community where this is an opportuntiy for real time feedback.

clear ferry
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Installation would be the correct place probably yes

crisp oriole
stuck anchor
#

never had a problem with duckdns. i have only that one ddns there. my own domain is at 101domains i think as they took over the tld i am at.

deft pewter
#

Cloudflare Tunnels + a real DNS record is way better than that DDNS nonsense. And if you happen to have CGNAT, it also defeats that.

obsidian temple
#

... but, that being said, I also have a real DNS.....

solar zealot
#

if you have a domain you can just use those records directly

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no need for a third party service if they dont also tunnel the traffic

glacial knot
#

yea, only reason I use something weird is becasue namecheap doesn't provide a proper api :/

solar zealot
#

they do have their dyn a records but no aaaa tho

deft pewter
#

Namecheap 😅

glacial knot
#

rooThink do they now? When I last checked that wasn't easy to automate
though it also fell through for dns01 challenges, so unless they fixed that^^

glacial knot
solar zealot
#

they have for a while but they actively have a terrible api and ui

#

id just move my domains to cf or others ^^

deft pewter
#

I was using Route 53 for everything until recently. Only switched to CF because I'm behind CGNAT at my new digs.

solar zealot
#

for cf if anyone asks

#!/bin/bash

function update_dns_entry() {
  echo "Updating DNS Record $3 $4 $5 --> $6 (proxied=$7, ttl=$8)"
  curl -s --request PATCH \
    --url "https://api.cloudflare.com/client/v4/zones/$3/dns_records/$4" \
    --header "Content-Type: application/json" \
    --header "X-Auth-Email: $1" \
    --header "Authorization: Bearer $2" \
    --data '{
    "content": "'$6'",
    "name": "'$5'",
    "proxied": '$7',
    "ttl": '$8'
  }' > /dev/null
}

echo "Updating DNS A Records On Cloudflare"
ip=$(curl -s http://whatismyip.akamai.com/)
ipv6=$(curl -s http://ipv6.whatismyip.akamai.com/)
echo "My IP is $ip / $ipv6"

# update_dns_entry "email@domain.tld" "auth key" "zone_id" "record_id" "name" $ip "proxied" "ttl"
unborn merlin
solar zealot
#

not sure where my other scripts for netcup and namecheap went but well i dont need those anymore ^^

deft pewter
#

Eh, it's fine. Didn't take long to solve. At least I knew what it was as soon as it happened 😄

#

Must be rough for people that don't know and fight it for longer than they have to

unborn merlin
#

which is probably the vast majority of the poor end users to that trash.. 😦

deft pewter
#

Well... there are a ton of people behind them, but how many of them are trying to self-host from home? Can't be a huge proportion, right?

solar zealot
#

Luckily most dont in those kinda ways

#

Like with how many applications offer remote access through company services they may very well never notice

deft pewter
#

Exactly. If you don't need an incoming connection to initiate the comms, you're golden.

clear ferry
jagged lodge
#

Are there any channels/servers/resources that discuss other things you can do with proxmox? I'm comfortable with my HA setup and now I'm looking for other things I can do with my NUC

deft pewter
#

Depending on the form factor, you can rest a hot drink on top to keep it warm for longer.

#

And if you're just interested in seeing the kinds of things people selfhost, I'd probably say have a scroll through /r/selfhosted

jagged lodge
#

I think imma try a locally hosted AI model that only references my notes and ebook collection. Seems like a cool idea.

#

Especially if it can dig through my Obsidian stuff

#

I'm still in the inspo phase

#

I'm about a month behind where I thought I'd be with my setup. Hard lesson learned: I thought I had some massive flaw because I couldn't set up proxmox. Turns out my NUC and laptop keyboards treated a special character in my password differently. Everything was fine when I reinstalled and used a diff password. I had no idea that was a thing.

deft pewter
#

Aha. I wonder if they were expecting different keyboard layouts 😅

#

But that's one of the (many) reasons I hate 'modern' password requirements. No-one listens to the advice from NIST shrugR

jagged lodge
deft pewter
#

Longer is generally better, yes. But it doesn't have to be a passphrase.

desert cave
#

yeah, passphrases are good.. length is the only thing that matters

deft pewter
#

But they have this to say on special characters:

Users also express frustration when attempts to create complex passwords are rejected by online services. Many services reject passwords with spaces and various special characters. In some cases, the special characters that are not accepted might be an effort to avoid attacks like SQL injection that depend on those characters. But a properly hashed password would not be sent intact to a database in any case, so such precautions are unnecessary. Users should also be able to include space characters to allow the use of phrases. Spaces themselves, however, add little to the complexity of passwords and may introduce usability issues (e.g., the undetected use of two spaces rather than one), so it may be beneficial to remove repeated spaces in typed passwords prior to verification.

deft pewter
jagged lodge
#

ive used stuff like the-blue-cat-jumped-over-the-purple-d0g

static schooner
#

hey, that's my go-to password!

jagged lodge
#

i thought it was hunter5

deft pewter
static schooner
#

rip my blue cat and purple d0g

desert cave
#

my favorite was a bank that had a password maximum length of 8 characters

jagged lodge
#

The - character is what proxmox got messed up on. It was treated differently between my NUC and laptop

#

I used a password with no special characters for setup and changed it to something better from my laptop

#

Been thinking about grabbing a yubikey too

#

I'm just worried about losing it

crisp oriole
deft pewter
#

But if you're going to get one... get two. Set them both up with the same credentials, then keep your backup one somewhere safe.

crisp oriole
deft pewter
jagged lodge
#

It seems like you can leave it at home unless you need it for work. I don't think any services would require reauthentication while you're on the move

#

The yubikey*

#

Traveling seems like the only precarious situation

eager phoenix
#

is this channel strictly for non-specific discussion, or can i ask a few obscure hardware-related questions in this channel?

not entirely sure precisely what i'm looking for so i'm hoping to throw a few random questions out and see what comes up

deft pewter
#

It's for non-support discussion. Sounds like you're after support, so should be looking at the other channels/forums.

eager phoenix
#

wish it was actually a channel and not a bunch of threads but i guess we'll see how it goes

iron granite
#

But it isn't.

eager phoenix
#

it's post/forum style - as in forum threads.

static schooner
iron granite
jagged lodge
#

Oh damn, I can use proxmox/HA to run utilities for my seedbox

#

I can even self-publish my obsidian stuff

#

Selfhosting is pretty cool

#

||the rabbit hole has opened||

#

I'll start with a LLM/Reasoning model that only references my personal data. That way I can get quick and specific results from my research, like "What are commonly used preparations for medication X in small parrot species"

#

General AI stuff has too much noise to do that correctly

eager phoenix
jagged lodge
eager phoenix
#

Mods can I link a server for Nate, since it seems they're getting into selfhosted/homelab territory?

#

or do you want a DM? @jagged lodge

lone dagger
jagged lodge
jagged lodge
clear ferry
#

cries in itanium devs counting from 0 on sockets and hpux devs counting from 1 on cpus

#

replace cpu 1

solar zealot
#

dont they count itanium systems in multiple of 0

clear ferry
unborn merlin
eager phoenix
#

now you're speaking my language

quaint marlin
meager ether
#

Those look nifty

quaint marlin
#

And it seems Cync works okay with HA so yeah

#

I just can't find anything that is good for undercabinet lighting lol

quaint marlin
#

Can you link it? I can't seem to find it

unborn merlin
static schooner
#

I didn't buy them with my washer/dryer, but decided I needed them after a day or so

#

Big difference in usability + a useful drawer

#

Washing machines are frickin' heavy, BTW

#

I thought I could get it up there myself and there was just no way

weak musk
static schooner
#

I think they literally have weights in the top to dampen vibration

#

For front loaders

weak musk
#

Yeah

static schooner
#

I got the dryer up there myself

weak musk
#

I started to try to move it while running and that was a mistake. Water is also heavy.

static schooner
#

I assembled on the floor and levered it up

unborn merlin
#

yeah.. they should come with em

#

we had to replace the washer most recently with a new one.. doesnt have one.. i should just make a simple thing with 2x4's and some wood to fix that.

old acorn
#

gotta find a 2x4 wood integration.. 😛

shell basalt
#

thats what my gf is for

old acorn
#

triggered by sunset? 🙂

unborn merlin
#

meh just add a cross-brace.. 🤷‍♂️

#

squares weak shit.

triangle strong.

#

or hexagons.. But I am not doing that with dead tree carcass.. 😛

shell basalt
#

hexagons are the bestagons

unborn merlin
glacial knot
#

you printed the IO shield into a larger structure? rooThink

unborn merlin
#

also coincidentally.. the board has a heatsink that sorta.. juts out?

#

over the IO shield.. and it would've forced that heatsink to bend back hard against the board if I had used the shield they sent.

glacial knot
#

seems like an odd choice, since the IO shield might need to be replaced with a MB, everything else about a case is mostly static
OTOH, actually replacing parts isn't that common

unborn merlin
#

see that part there that has a notch for it?

#

thats the heatsink that juts out; I test-fit the IO shield without a case and it did hit the shield fairly hard

unborn merlin
#

its one of those fully integrated mainboards with soldered mobile CPU thing

#

so if the board goes it all will probably go.. and I do ahve a way to just hit "cut" and slice out a normal-io-panel for anything in the future if I want.

#

reprint one part that takes an hr and a half.. and move on 😛

deft pewter
unborn merlin
#

\o/ my new little.. homeserver/nas is.. slowly coming together..

#

slooowly.

#

mmm.

comical amounts of cores.

forest edge
#

minecraft server

unborn merlin
#

nah.. I'm past that point.. 😛

#

but waiting for some parts to show up to.. continue further.

also free time to continue building my 3d printed body.. 😄

glacial knot
#

48 cores? yagaThink

primal laurel
unborn merlin
deft pewter
#

What are you planning to run on that?

unborn merlin
#

truenas, plex, my general home server stuff.. etc

#

probably a small vm or two

#

its wild that.. I have an easier time getting virtualized GPU going with a damn mobile GPU than I can with nvidia without taking it up the ass from nvidia. 🙃

#

all while being.. rather power efficient

#

as for why not truenas at metal?

Because its not new enough kernel to have the easy ability to virtualize the intel GPU.

deft pewter
#

I keep thinking I should build a NAS so I don't have to leave my main PC running just to watch media. Then I start pricing it up and decide I'll just pay for the extra electricity 😅

unborn merlin
#

currently have a big old nas that is..

#

I was a moron and built it with dual xeons off ebay + a tesla M40

#

.... so thats probably 150-200w at idle.. before HDD's?

#

this thing tho.. dumb amount of cores

image.png
#

and even at max turbo (which I will probably never actually need) it'll come in under less..

solar zealot
#

sonoff has a switchable usb plug hehe

desert cave
#

I just run Proxmox on metal. I get VM support, zfs management, and more up to date kernels than Debian

unborn merlin
#

yeah.. proxmox's ZFS is very... basic and etc

#

so I'm gonna just give truenas its own VM..

#

and toss some stuff into it alongside itself

#

probably databases and etc are going directly alongside it.. proxmox containers will get backed up to its network share.. and etc

solar zealot
#

that is pretty much what not to do ^^

unborn merlin
#

yeah yeah.. yeah.. so you say 🤷‍♂️

solar zealot
#

yea those recommendations are made because there surely are no issues with it at all

unborn merlin
desert cave
#

I deal with zfs at work though, so most of my management is command line. And the installer did a good job of setting up my pools for me, including the root pool.

solar zealot
#

on a scale of things that "can be done" vs things that shouldnt be done, reusing storage allocated on a vm back on the host system is far up the chain of no go

#

but go ahead ^^

unborn merlin
#

tbh its probably not going to directly loop that much.. databases may be inside of it..

#

and backups from proxmox to it

desert cave
#

Just don't use truenas hardware. At enterprise scale it's hot garbage

unborn merlin
#

Or I can toss most database/hot stuff on the proxmox root (and the NVME drive its installed to) and just backup-target stuff into the truenas vm.

#

if stuff fails.. just replace the nvme and pull things back up from an externally stored proxmox backup..

desert cave
#

I should check if we're going to still throw the old hw off work's roof

unborn merlin
#

like this? 🙃

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solar zealot
#

osha people couldnt even see it comming ^^

desert cave
#

A bit higher up but basically

unborn merlin
desert cave
#

Also you don't need to ping me every message lol

unborn merlin
#

too bad. 😛

#

tho not for long.. since imma sleep now

#

do have to decide how i'm gonna do my reverse proxy tho.. I could keep my current little SOC thing (odroid h2+) maybe.. but.. hm 🤔

#

have a jetKVM coming soon to give this weird motherboard remote acess as well.

#

and planning the power supply of it to be DC-ATX with a DC-UPS +LifePO4 cells instead of consumer grade thing.. 🤔

#

no double conversion.

probably stupid levels of runtime as well

desert cave
#

I mean.. ping me too much and I'll just block you :p

unborn merlin
#

wtf is even that name color? 😛

deft pewter
#

It tells you when you click their name

desert cave
#

Weird chick club!

solar zealot
#

purple

unborn merlin
#

yes but more curious about the.. why.. and what even

solar zealot
#

why not

desert cave
#

Blame Missy

solar zealot
#

the swag is there

deft pewter
#

I'm waiting for someone to have an octarine coloured name

desert cave
#

Oh I missed out on confusion of Missys

solar zealot
#

we dont talk about that

desert cave
#

Hehehe

solar zealot
#

nothing happend that day on town square

unborn merlin
#

there is no war in ba sing se

red rock
#

😂😂😂

ocean oar
#

Sometimes I see people getting really into this discord business and all of these things, and wish I could bring myself to give a shit 🤷‍♂️

solar zealot
clear ferry
#

what is this, are the kids talking about their toy servers again

primal laurel
#

got your cold fusion power plant working yet?

clear ferry
#

Who needs that with free power

primal laurel
#

how did you get free power anyway?

simple gazelle
#

Abstraction

#

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abstracting_electricity

Abstracting electricity

Abstracting electricity is a statutory offence of dishonestly using, wasting, or diverting electricity, covered by different legislation in England and Wales, Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland. The law applies, for instance, in cases of bypassing an electricity meter, reconnecting a disconnected meter, plugging an electronic device in...

glacial knot
#

yea, don't build solar, build antennas 😂

crisp oriole
#

great the lastest update broke my voicemail system. and the backup it to long back. just great

solar zealot
#

aktschually antennas have a higher efficiency than solar

primal laurel
#

As a function of? 🤓

simple gazelle
#

Do you all have cute DNS names for your external HA systems or is it just homeassitant.example.org?

glacial knot
#

wdym external HA?

#

I don't expose my instance outside VPN because it doesn't easily beyondcorp with the app 😦

clear ferry
primal laurel
simple gazelle
#

I like how it's not uncommon to see the UK importing hydro from Norway, and exporting the same amount to Benelux, thus turning Great Britain into a gigantic bus bar.

glacial knot
#

electricity trading is wild

glacial knot
primal laurel
#

vpn? onsite monkeys? idk

clear ferry
#

That said, I run half of the worlds infrastructure @glacial knot

#

get your facts straight

glacial knot
#

😂

#

do you even run half of HPE's customers?

clear ferry
#

eh, anything that matters in nortnern europe at least

#

and some in the uk&i

glacial knot
#

i or NI?

clear ferry
peak slate
#

I think there's some HPE hardware that flies over that area every 90 minutes or so, do you handle that too?

clear ferry
#

that is outside your security clearance

peak slate
primal laurel
#

HP? dont you mean DY?

got-new-printers-arrived-but-what-is-this-dy-brand-never-v0-b7nrtacgj9he1.webp
glacial knot
#

VPE delivery announcement for tomorrow probsP

unborn merlin
crisp oriole
#

Oke my voicemail system works a bit somehow.

#

Need to recode my functions to make an appointment or send a message to pickup.

wet rampart
unborn merlin
#

... long range... BLE? wut

#

just.. use.. goddamn.. thread/matter you fucks.. jfc

wet rampart
#

heh yeah they reinvented the wheel

unborn merlin
#

Hardware
Networking interface Bluetooth 5.0, BLE
Max. TX power 5 dBm
Max. power consumption 77mW
Power method Lithium battery CR123A

#

... the fuck? 😖

scenic jasper
#

Ubiquito sure like adjectives

glacial knot
#

long range BLE? That's the BT satellites for HA, right?

primal laurel
unborn merlin
#

.... who reelased a door access control for enterprise that was so fucking poorly made that it broke by being outdoors

#

and that they replaced with no questions asked because of that

scenic jasper
#

Sounds very secure

primal laurel
#

but does it have AI? and RGB?

lone dagger
primal laurel
scenic jasper
#

I use nginx manager add on. I have it create a certificate and that lands in addon_config. I want to use it in another addon so i want the files in /ssl, what is best way to do that?

static schooner
scenic jasper
#

Yeah i asked there, i just updated it with my better worded question

unborn merlin
#

I can say at least it is.. configurable locally

#

that is at least a benefit.. for now at least

safe steppe
#

finally got my proxmox server setup and HAOS vm setup, time to start my first setup 🤞

peak slate
#

2.4ghz protocols are a dime a dozen and all just slow down the rest with cluttered airwaves

wet rampart
#

I got the impression they had both their own new protocol and BLE

peak slate
#

Yet another dumb protocol then, I'll stick with 900mhz zwave over all of these other 2.4ghz protocols (I can just use Wi-Fi if I want 2.4ghz)

safe steppe
#

im looking to get the SLZB-06, and Zooz 800, and get rid of my Smart things hub. That is all I will really need right?

#

yep i just got HAOS setup on my little server 👍

#

I guess one other quick thing before i start looking at more zigbee products.

I can get the Ikea Zigbee stuff and use it without their Dirigera hub and integrate it directly with HA correct?

peak slate
#

<@&330946878646517761> ^ seems like a scam to me

glacial knot
#

well, yea. It points at a short link, not the actual visible link

iron granite
glacial knot
#

still unsure whether it was an overall win or fail of discord to allow markdown link styling :/

iron granite
peak slate
#

Slzb-06 units are a SCAM!

iron granite
peak slate
static schooner
#

We clearly need to have fewer chat channels, since those are only ones that spammers seem to target

primal laurel
lone dagger
#

I am calling UPS today for a receipt and this number I called said my wait time and...now there's nothing. No hold music, no marketing messaging, just deadass silence.

weak musk
#

I would literally prefer that

lone dagger
#

lol

#

I just need a receipt for the duties I paid!

weak musk
#

the music is a test in maintaining sanity

lone dagger
#

This is what I get for not printing it...

grizzled gull
#

Sooo the truth comes out!

#

Regret!

#

Perosnally I think all package delivery companies suck, I wish you the best of luck

#

Although, you could try a UPS store?

lone dagger
#

In fact, the person I finally got said that he can't help because of that. Now the new line I am on says there is a wait time of over 35 minutes.

glacial knot
lone dagger
#

Just gonna have my phone in front of me on mute while I work I guess, lmao.

glacial knot
#

In every larger super market

#

now I wonder
will we have to pay additional duties for importing from the UK to the EU? rooD

iron granite
#

I did customs clearances in my last job. Still have an own customs account. But most parcel services don't let you do it yourself.

lone dagger
#

Rude.

glacial knot
#

yea, they want those sweet 15€ fee

iron granite
weak musk
#

also, DHL is the absolute worst in the US

#

(talking to Decoy here)

lone dagger
#

I may have about 10 more minutes of waiting. Let's see how true that ends up being...

stuck anchor
last cedar
#

@lone dagger I only thought UPS was trash in Sweden

#

Good to know it is like that in the US too

#

They are the most inflexible company I have ever dealt with

weak musk
lone dagger
# last cedar <@303933403303247872> I only thought UPS was trash in Sweden

I have never had a good experience with UPS. They lost my wedding ring that I sent back to the designer to get resized, I bought a new one while we were filing the claim to get the insurance we put on it, and then they miraculously found it weeks after I bought the new one - putting us out a couple thousand dollars.

#

I was circled 4 times while trying to get this package to Rosemary in the first place because we fucked up the post code.

peak slate
#

FedEx at the top, risky maneuver

#

Also sounds like they're looking for a buyer

last cedar
#

We only have dhl and ups of those, dhl have been pretty solid for me. Best I ever had was the guy who brought my windows, 14 windows on an oversize pallet, 490kg worth, helped me to push it into the garage. I NEVER tip, but I can say I paid for his lunch that day, absolute champion

last cedar
stuck anchor
#

i ordered a bunch of electronics parts from the netherlands. i do not remember but i think it was with dhl. got delivered on my doorstep less than 24 hours after i paid for my order in the web shop. that was kind of impressive.

last cedar
#

Hard to resist, but the name litterly is "ups", probably for a good reason

weak musk
peak slate
weak musk
#

I also think DHL is genuinely different in the rest of the world to the US

lone dagger
#

DHL is awful here for sure.

#

I had them deliver to the wrong address when I lived in Kirkland all the time.

last cedar
#

The lad that drove them out was a contractor that dhl hired iirc, it was oversize and overweight

lone dagger
#

They would swap the NE to the end of the street instead of before. There is a 120th PL NE and a NE 120th PL.

last cedar
peak slate
lone dagger
peak slate
weak musk
#

@hollow glacier loves USPS, you should ask him about it

#

same with @forest edge

hollow glacier
grizzled gull
#

Want a real laugh? Saint Paul,MN was laid out by a drunken Irishman

hollow glacier
hollow glacier
weak musk
#

-# oh no, what have I done

hollow glacier
#

the way they treat small businesses is ridiculous regardless

scenic jasper
#

@hollow glacier What movie is that meme from?

hollow glacier
#

i give the employees slack individually not usps as a whole

hollow glacier
scenic jasper
#

it uh.. it was a TEST!

#

i knew that :*(

last cedar
weak musk
#

has anyone ever seen the movie Rubber? Cause THAT"S a movie

#

I don't know why! It's one of the movies of all time

lone dagger
#

Still on hold.

young sigil
#

Are you sure? Do you have hold music now?

lone dagger
#

Nope. Still deadass silent.

#

But...it's still on the line. This is so weird to me.

weak musk
#

I love how I can call a mom and pop store and get "Would you like us to call you back when you're next in the queue? Press 1" but fucking UPS doesn't have that

lone dagger
#

Which results in understaffing.

#

Which results in longer wait times.

weak musk
#

Probably

#

I also think at one point they outsourced some of their support (primarily for shipping losses) to a 3rd party

lone dagger
#

I remember when Xbox started phasing out phone support and hid their phone number deep on the support page.

#

Intentionally hiding it.

weak musk
#

Knowing who plays Xbox online, I'd probably hide my phone number too

lone dagger
#

I had 100% CSAT there for the 2 years I worked there, I am not scared of those shitheads. lul

weak musk
#

hahaha

#

I can just picture you dishing it right back "Do you want help or do you want me to go back to having sex with your mom?"

lone dagger
weak musk
lone dagger
#

tbf the end of my time spent in that call center was supporting Games for Windows Live and Media Center.

#

So, I got very little shitheads calling at that point.

glacial knot
lone dagger
#

Guys guys guys guys guys

#

So, almost an hour on hold.

#

To be told to reach out to the UK offices.

weak musk
#

Why didn't you just start with the UK offices?