thows exception to be more correct, found something on Github so the dev may be working on it
#the-water-cooler
old acorn
other than that HA seems pretty nice, automations are intuitive enough things have been fairly solid since I tuned the presence sensors and positioned them, good stuff
I begin to see how things could get outta hand with all this gadetry 🙂
deft pewter
I can feel this. 2 weeks in at a new house, so it's still dumb.
But adding smarts can wait a bit. First, we need to get the heating working 😂
clear ferry
I have retired most of my smart bulbs, I had 140 bulbs and sensors in my old house
because the new house has downlights in most rooms
so I need to buy new stuff
deft pewter
Smart bulbs 🤢
clear ferry
I controlled all my lights every 5 minutes with circadian lighting 😄
I need to get there again, just need to buy 28 zigbee downlights at some point
and get motion \ mmwave in most rooms running
all doors have sensors already
forest edge
downlights use lightbulbs...
if you got those all one led pucks.. throw those away and get you so real cans
clear ferry
downlights can use GU10, but GU10 models are too big for the ceiling here
So I'm going for integrated downlights which are not as tall
forest edge
what kind of fucked up downlight is that lol
my over the sink fixture uses something like that GU10 and I hate it
all my cans use normal bulbs
clear ferry
what is your definition of "normal" bulb is probably the question here
forest edge
E26 or E27 whichever that base is
clear ferry
I've never seen a downlight with E27 in it
solar zealot
Atx has a massive warehouse but small ceilings? That's not been on my bingo card
clear ferry
that just sounds like a ceiling light from the 80s
forest edge
I've never seen a downlight with E27 in it
forest edge
then what is a downlight in your definition? lol
clear ferry
forest edge
that is the same thing
clear ferry
no
forest edge
how not?
clear ferry
whatever you posted is a weird 80s thing
clear ferry
yeah, I have only ever seen the ones you posted in bingo halls that haven't been renovated in 30 years
This is what has been "downlights" for the last 30+ years
forest edge
yea well they are future proof
clear ferry
and these are the ones I'm currently looking at, low profile
forest edge
nothing beats being able to use a normal bulb
they even make frosted covers for weirdos like you that prefer the look of what you posted while still having a normal bulb behind them lol
forest edge
your just a glutten for punishment
I've dealt with all styles of cans both this new shit and I hate it. give me classic
any day of the week
you may as well be using halogen lol
clear ferry
Are filament bulbs still allowed over there too then ?
forest edge
you never heard of an led normal bulb?
forest edge
your just jealous cause you know deep down your fancy new lights will cause you to have to break out a ladder more times then you will ever admit lol
clear ferry
only if I buy hue, because boy is hue shit
I'll probably go gledopto
zigbee brrrrr
forest edge
gledopto.. on amazon that brand generally carries that label at the bottom, "frequently returned item"
I will say they were much cheaper lol
clear ferry
don't worry, I won't infringe on your new import taxes
smoky inlet
only if I buy hue, because boy is hue shit
what is shit about hue? the only thing i can think about is price.
clear ferry
most failed hardware I have ever installed, in terms of percentage of failure compared to other brands
being overpriced doesn't help
smoky inlet
okay, i must be lucky then, i've been using hue for 6~7+ years and have had none fail.
primarily bulbs and motion sensors.
clear ferry
I have had 6 hue bulbs, 2 have died, looks like my in wall hue button also died now, so far 80+ tradfri bulbs, and 50+ aqara sensors haven't died
smoky inlet
i also have experience with gledopto, works well
clear ferry
yeah, I have had four gledopto devices, no issues there either
smoky inlet
Though the implemented 'execute if off' functionality in the controller doesn't work, so its just there for show.
clear ferry
and no issues with wiz either, had two of those
smoky inlet
I finally solved an issue i had with home assistant for more than a month now.. my journey started when i switched to an smlight slzb-06m, i started noticing lag when controlling lights. i figured this must be because of the zigbee network being unstable.. weeks of tuning, troubleshooting, different adapters, channels and much much re-pairing. i just didnt understand why it barely happened during the day and mostly laggy at night or early mornings.
installed glances and noticed that refreshing the data sometimes took a while (like 7 seconds) turns out home assistant was intermittently hanging and being unresponsive every x seconds.. an integration was pinging my solar inverter which caused this (which is off at night, obv), such relief when finding this - caused so much frustration.
clear ferry
running home assistant on a potato ?
smoky inlet
running home assistant on a potato ?
nope, it is a known issue for this integration (see https://github.com/davidrapan/ha-solarman/issues/344)
smoky inlet
running home assistant on a potato ?
but also depends on your definition of a potato
desert cave
Proxmox vm, here
smoky inlet
lel, okay its running on a small proxmox node with 16gb ram and a xeon e3-1265L v3
clear ferry
I'd call that a potato yes
smoky inlet
it has 2 pinned cores and 6gb ram for the vm.
smoky inlet
What kind of resources does your HA instance have?
clear ferry
No limits on a 24 core system with 384GB RAM enough storage to satisfy a small african country
old system though, but goes brrrr
smoky inlet
yeah i dont see that being a good solution for me :P, i do have a HP EliteDesk 800 G5 mini on the way to replace this node though :)
forest edge
that "brrr" is the electricity arcing trying to maintain power
forest edge
smoky inlet
thats nice
its free here when the sun is shining, otherwise its a tad more expensive than that.
smoky inlet
0,2706 per kWh to be exact.
clear ferry
yikes
smoky inlet
yep big yikes.
clear ferry
I spend about 4000kwh per month in winter
probably closer to 2500 in summer, not sure yet since this is the first year in new house
smoky inlet
Same, i do have plans to get a small portable butane stove.
old acorn
$0.40 kw/h here
solar zealot
Energy prices are mad these days
Got a bios update yesterday and now it uses like 2w more which I absolutely noticed
smoky inlet
Meanwhile germany is closing nuclear power plants becaus coal is great.
solar zealot
Coal is easy
old acorn
closing? are they outdated?
solar zealot
They are all shut down by now
old acorn
I mean if you already have it in place..
solar zealot
It's not something you just go pickup some fuel at the gas station to power up again
But that's what happens if you don't invest into your infrastructure for decades
old acorn
I'm investing in my mesh infrastructure 🙂
solar zealot
It better not be tuya stocks
old acorn
Or at least I thought I was till I discovered a couple of switches that don't route
I got tuya stuff, cheap but most seems ok so far
smoky inlet
im looking forward to shelly gen4 for more zigbee routers.
tuya can destabilize zigbee networks due to spamming
smoky inlet
yeah big brain move to support multiple protocols
solar zealot
They also tap into zwave, there may be no reason to buy somewhere else
forest edge
Shelly will be huge if they make plugs of that stuff
don't think they are making plugs.. just the pucks
smoky inlet
isn't zwave certification very expensive?
solar zealot
don't think they are making plugs.. just the pucks
They did in the past
At least up to 16A
forest edge
I mean for zigbee
smoky inlet
shelly is making plugs, just not zigbee ones -yet.
solar zealot
Let them cook sono
forest edge
well maybe they are
https://us.shelly.com/blogs/media-kit/shelly-group-introduces-multiprotocol-connectivity-at-ces-2025
for us anyway
rest of you are boned
lol
smoky inlet
eu will surely follow :p (copium)
They did make two versions of the x2 display, the eu one doesn't have the ugly speaker bar. does the us market like speaker bars?
forest edge
that the wall tablet?
smoky inlet
ye
forest edge
i didn't think they made a us version of that
smoky inlet
i might be mixing up ces news here though so could be wrong
forest edge
I would imagine a speaker bar would make playing music sound better
stuck anchor
do you really want to play music from your wall panels?
forest edge
well if you didn't have an intergrated whole house speaker system. it could be an option for some to incorperate one
my godamn farm drive is a damn racoon highway.. driving me nuts being notified of these basards traversing back and forth
old acorn
racoons would seem intelligent, agile and dexterous == a real pain in the ass 🙂
stuck anchor
my godamn farm drive is a damn racoon highway.. driving me nuts being notified o...
i guess i am old fashioned that way. when i want music, i want music from a real speaker setup. not from speakers scattered around the rooms at random places. if i want music while moving around i have a perfectly good wireless headset for that.
clear ferry
I have Symfonisk speakers all around the house, plus a few google home minis, plus tvs with integrated chromecast
audio can come wherever it wants
mint summit
$0.40 kw/h here
oh we talking about energy prices?
australia should have some of the cheapest energu in the world, but because of the energy industry lobbying and donating to our politicians, it is in the mid-range instead
LNG, Coal, and Oil companies sell Australian resources overseas at cheap
and then australians have to buy it back from overseas at a premium
its kinda fucked
luckily, a lot of households have rooftop solar, so its not too bad
last cedar
audio can come wherever it wants
clear ferry
urban wadi
So... I'm suddenly in the need for a new dishwasher. I already have Samsung Smartthings dryer and washing machine. Would you get an offline dishwasher, a Samsung Smartthings dishwasher or a different brand online dishwasher?
I've been happy with the dryer and washing machine but a Samsung dishwasher?? I don't think I've ever seen one IRL.
mint summit
So... I'm suddenly in the need for a new dishwasher. I already have Samsung Smar...
offline, bc who needs a "smart" dishwasher
mint summit
also I heard samsung appliance products have a habit of breaking quickly
would recommend bosch or asko for dishwashers
clear ferry
had a samsung dryer, that was fine, and smart home integrated too
I have a bosch accent dishwasher and oven, great and also in HA
getting a new siemens induction top now, will also be integrated
glacial knot
so you can turn on the stove and heat the soup on your approach?
clear ferry
rather for monitoring and notifications than remote usage
I don't leave the house anyway
home office baby
mint summit
tbh I find having "smart" features packed everywhere a bit ridiculous
clear ferry
lots of stupid smart stuff, but also lots of great stuff
glacial knot
oh right, that's why you ain't charging the Volvo
clear ferry
yes
I need to get an electrician around and install outdoor lighting anyway, so should get him to install a new EV Charger on the wall anyway
will get a polestar eventually
glacial knot
11kW wallbox?
clear ferry
I actually have 400v input here, so I can get 22kw
my old house was only 3 phase 230
glacial knot
huh? 400V is just the 230V phase to phase
clear ferry
yes
stuck anchor
So... I'm suddenly in the need for a new dishwasher. I already have Samsung Smar...
a friend just got a miele that is smart. she doesn't do automation yet, but getting there. so it was not bought because of the smart thing. just added bonus.
stuck anchor
wasn't it samsung that had a credential leak in their smart washer/dryer in the beginning?
urban wadi
I really like the notification for the Samsung washer. It's much more accurate than measuring power with a plug. But it doesn't have a sensor for the door so I have to use a door sensor.
stuck anchor
the miele dishwasher actually opens the door itself at the end of the cycle
clear ferry
most newer dishwashers have done that for 10+ years now
I haven't seen one that didn't
urban wadi
SmartThings show energy (kWh) for my washer and dryer but not power (watt) for some reason. A bit annoying.
stuck anchor
i have not had such fancy new stuff 😄
urban wadi
the miele dishwasher actually opens the door itself at the end of the cycle
A lot of dishwasher do that now fortunately
stuck anchor
neither did her old miele. but i guess that one was 10+ years old.
urban wadi
But I was hoping to avoid a new cloud based integration for ONE product, hehe
clear ferry
I bought 5x sun shades for my upper floor windows and door last year, they were 50% off, and I'm currently integrating them in HA
the difference between vendors there is extreme, first one that came around wanted 35.000 NOK for one window
now I got 4 windows and 1 door for 48.000 NOK
stuck anchor
the new shelly pm2 gen4 should hopefully be able to switch the floor heating in my bathroom? no tech specs yet. but they would be a company i would trust for that kind of load... and now that they are finally announcing zigbee versions...
urban wadi
@clear ferry What Siemens did you get? And is the integration solid? I read on the forum some stability issue and I think that was Siemens
clear ferry
I have a 6 year old siemens one, let me check the model
stuck anchor
it's always good to shop around. a neighbor just had 5 large window panes replaced. the difference in price between vendors was immense. and the cheapest one also offered to do the whole job at a fraction of the price the others wanted. very nice, polite and efficient guys turned up and did the job in no time.
clear ferry
WMH6W649DN/09 is my washer
urban wadi
I meant dishwasher
urban wadi
That dishwasher was a pricy one it seems
clear ferry
getting one more of those ovens, just in 45cm instead of 60cm
it was half off after christmas, I paid €700 for it
clear ferry
Aye, I'll pull them up, just gotta configure some switches
stuck anchor
microsoft just updated the terms and conditions on ms office. by default they can now train their ai on your documents. nice. not. glad i use libreoffice.
solar zealot
i just get the pro+ key and it works ^^
stuck anchor
i guess a new gpo will be rolled out by our windows admins to block it within minutes 😄
slow linden
Huawei Sun 2000 Modbus
urban wadi
Nice. No energy or power?
lone dagger
It's snowing here and they said that school for my son is a 2 hour late start last night and this morning. Except now it's just big fluffy flakes falling - I suspect my son's school day may be cancelled.
Our neighborhood streets are all ice and his school is a block away. 😂
Okay the snow building up on the top frame is actually a really nice touch.
lone dagger
They don't do remote learning for that anymore.
acoustic tapir
Anyone know if there's a way you can get the last changed value for an attribute of a sensor? Or is it just stored on sensor level?
lone dagger
You can go in to edit the ....shit there's a word for it when you do it..
Sensor options, that's it.
Helpers > tap the one you want to adjust > Settings gear > (my example) Threshold sensor options under the Add Label box.
acoustic tapir
I know {{ states.media_player.homepod_mini_left.last_changed }} will give me the players last change but it doesn't seem to update when the volume changes.
lone dagger
Huh. Yeah, I dunno. Maybe an #1284966582375813201 question now.
solar zealot
It's snowing here and they said that school for my son is a 2 hour late start la...
The only thing that American has that I would like here
Well that was more about no school
It's only an issue if you aren't dressed for it :P
lone dagger
My husband slid into one of the curbs on his way to work this morning, broke off part of our bumper and now the side of our battery is exposed.
x.x
lone dagger
Ours are, too, but they don't stop you on ice.
Which is what our roads are.
Ice, not snow.
static schooner
solar zealot
Lasagna
static schooner
It's the only cure for Mondays
solar zealot
Yes
lone dagger
School indeed did start only 2 hours late.
My son is excited for recess because he's gonna have a snowball fight.
He'll sleep well tonight. 
stuck anchor
back in my childhood in the seventies i lived in spain for a while. one morning there was a thin layer of snow outside, so i ran out, collected enough snow for one snowball, ran back inside and threw it at my brother. he could not believe he had just been hit by a snowball. 😄
static schooner
peak slate
Surprise sneak attack indoor snowball!
peak slate
In Spain the snowballs fall mainly on the brother?
clear ferry
There is quite a bit of snow in inland Spain afaik @last cedar
last cedar
Almost as much as your house? @clear ferry
clear ferry
Probably not
deft pewter
There is quite a bit of snow in inland Spain afaik <@300242410338910209>
Even near the coast. The Sierra Nevada is snowtopped all year round, iirc, and that's almost on the south coast.
Decent amount of snow there in the winter: https://sierranevada.es/en/invierno/the-station/live/webcams/
ocean oar
back in my childhood in the seventies i lived in spain for a while. one morning ...
We don't get snow here, just occasional marble-size hail
Sounds real good on the steel roof at work
urban wadi
none of them have that
Meh. That's a con.
clear ferry
I'm not disagreeing
It would have been easy to implement
Especially since the app appears to know it, or guess it based on some data
forest edge
Sounds real good on the steel roof at work
deafening ain't it
ocean oar
It's pretty deafening even when it's just rain
forest edge
lol yea. i take it your work building has no internal insulation or anything?
ocean oar
Datcentre has ridiculous amounts (but lets face it, that's about sound not getting out).
The office spaces are generally fine, can hear it, not distracting.
Cafeteria is marginal.
The dockway... none whatsoever.
forest edge
have troubles hearing someone else even talk in the barn during a rainstorm
unborn merlin
My husband slid into one of the curbs on his way to work this morning, broke off...
side of a battery? damn
lone dagger
I am definitely going to gaffer tape the shit out of it, rofl.
unborn merlin
I am definitely going to gaffer tape the shit out of it, rofl.
spray on conformal coating.. problem solve!
shell basalt
start with Great Stuff expanding foam to build a base
stuck anchor
There is quite a bit of snow in inland Spain afaik <@300242410338910209>
we lived at the mediterranean coast. not far from barcelona
stuck anchor
https://tenor.com/view/i-cant-believe-youve-done-this-gif-25427235
that's what siblings are for, isn't it?
unborn merlin
That stuff is almost as bad as glitter to use
No, the true satan of crafting stuff is
this shit.
weak musk
Oh yeah, that's awful too
lone dagger
This started right before I left to get my son.
dawn badge
This started right before I left to get my son.
that bush on the left looks like a small buffalo in a ghillie suit
at this point i have either proven myself insane or i have ruined that bush for you
dawn badge
🙂
lone dagger
Well that’s a neighbor’s front yard, they’re meticulous so it’ll probably be kept like that. 😂
static schooner
Makes me think of a The Shining reboot
shell basalt
I am now not ceratin my house contains zero cats
primal laurel
lone dagger
Makes me think of a The Shining reboot
Edward Scissorhands reboot.
static schooner
yes, or that
loud pike
(sees adhesive in mentions for a 3d print..)
Oh.
So if you're printing ABS? Use MEK.
Methyl Ethyl Ketone. It basically temporarily melts ABS just a little bit. So you use it on two printed pieces, stick them together, and they basically chem-weld together.
It's what the lego museums and play spaces use to fuse lego pieces.
loud pike
Also "Build your own substation" makes me wonder why it doesn't have enough D-rings and..... you know what, nevermind, that's.... something else.
static schooner
Now that you've built a home fission reactor, add on a personal substation to power your town!
Frequently bought together on Amazon
loud pike
"I didn't get divorced, I just engaged in a volatile fission reaction."
(welcome to the dumbest joke I tell all day. Maybe. There's still a lot of hours left.)
lone dagger
It’s still snowing. I think this is the snow we were originally promised for this past Saturday. 😂
quasi peak
anyone have any suggestions for an outdoor rated motion sensor?
perferably something that works with alexa as the core (want to interface it with hub and security)
static schooner
#1284966353798697001 -> Recommendations
quasi peak
I have a smart landscape lighting system. want to setup auto on
tidal bronze
I have a smart landscape lighting system. want to setup auto on
Person detection would be best. You can use outdoor PIR for triggers but keeping them on, person would be ideal.
quasi peak
i mean if its like a bracelet or keyfob thing that can be detected at some range that would be perfect
tidal bronze
Still 2025, good luck with your search
tidal bronze
Frigate
quasi peak
i can always setup exclusion times
tidal bronze
i can always setup exclusion times
If you want a production level outdoor lighting control:
Break beam sensors for perimeter
Door sensors for exit/entry
Outdoor PIR for camera blind spots
Frigate to keep everything in check including speech and bark detection.
Should do everything until you find your wand 😀
quasi peak
im surprised we cant use some way to create a barrier that if a wristband or fob passes over it it transmits
like a shock collar but with more friendly use
they usually work via guidewires underground
tidal bronze
Case of DI-Why, again I like your optimism
quasi peak
time to get my combat engineer friends to figure this out
might be a market
hey who doesnt want the proximity detection for barn lights, but without a stupid racoon turning them on
tidal bronze
I don't think you really thought this true. 😀 Existing systems are there, tried and tested for years. There are many holes in your human collar logic but I bet you will find them out. Good luck!
quasi peak
ill offer the marines unlimited kegs if they pull it off...
they built me a car for a 48 pack of bud so
weak musk
im surprised we cant use some way to create a barrier that if a wristband or fob...
I think Bill Gates has this in his house (seriously).
weak musk
If you want a production level outdoor lighting control:
Break beam sensors for...
What are you using for break beam sensors? I have some esp time of flight sensors in place (which are sweet) but the downside is they are only effective for around 4 ft.
glacial knot
Yea, the general idea can be implemented with RFID gates.
Available at your trusted installer for business tech thingies
tidal bronze
What are you using for break beam sensors? I have some esp time of flight sensor...
Dakota alert
weak musk
Thanks!
weak musk
Yea, the general idea can be implemented with RFID gates.
Available at your trus...
This might be the first use case for rfid that actually might make sense
eager phoenix
so turns out ecobee scrubbed api access. I didn't know that when I bought my thermostat but it's not too late to return it.
What's the most compatible brand now? Preferably I do not want to link it through a cloud account. If I can use it purely local (and possibly also with Homekit) i'll be happy.
static schooner
Just use HomeKit
As the docs say:
In the meantime, you can use the HomeKit Device integration as a fully functional alternative.
wet pilot
huh, did they not yank legacy users? it seems to be working fine for me still
reads docs
ah
static schooner
No new users
wet pilot
that's lame
static schooner
Meh. Local is better
wet pilot
prolly
weak musk
Definitely
wet pilot
inertia is strongk
glacial knot
This might be the first use case for rfid that actually might make sense
yea, I looked at what it would take a while ago. Wanted to track some things essentially by room I have them in.
it's a bit $$$, but there's somewhat normal looking door frames with RFID gates built in
unborn merlin
Methyl Ethyl Ketone. It basically temporarily melts ABS just a little bit. So yo...
or you could use something less toxic like acetone
loud pike
**or** you could use something less toxic like acetone
Ventilation exists.
unborn merlin
.. or just sand shit and use regular superglue.. 🤷♂️
loud pike
Not as strong of a bond. Also if you're using CA glue in a non-ventilated space, it's just as toxic. So yeah.
unborn merlin
Not as strong of a bond. Also if you're using CA glue in a non-ventilated space,...
if you're using that much CA glue, you have a goddamn problem 😄
unborn merlin
solvent welds are piss-poor for actual strength; however. 🙃
loud pike
They're good enough to permanently fuse the pieces together in museums, my dood.
unborn merlin
At least in 3d prints.
Pinning or meshing of parts better..
loud pike
Seriously, if they're good enough for the Lego folks to use it to fuse parts that children regularly try to break, then they're good enough as far as hold goes.
weak musk
yea, I looked at what it would take a while ago. Wanted to track some things ess...
I’ve used/built solutions around some of the commercial systems and they’ve definitely gotten better and more streamlined over time, but really cost prohibitive at scale for most. Would be interesting to see if it ever becomes viable for private/home use.
terse stag
this year I’m spinning up so much software that I almost immediately take for granted
proxmox and headscale are “where has this been my whole life” tier
glacial knot
I’ve used/built solutions around some of the commercial systems and they’ve defi...
^^
Though I did consider spending a couple hundreds in near~ish range and tracking whether I got everything in my sports bag 😂
stuck anchor
are any of you running proxmox in cluster? have they fixed the old problem with a node in the cluster hard crashing and not coming up again (hardware fault)? that node still owned the vm's and you could not restart them on another node, even if you used shared storage. when i prodded proxmox about how to force release the vm's from the node they said it was impossible. i had to delete them and restore from backup. that was 10 years ago and put me off looking any more at proxmox for serious use. i hope it has been fixed by now.
urban wadi
Hm. "Ok Nabu" triggers my Google Assistant devices. That's inconvenient.
ember anvil
Darn, this has ruined my morning
Mine has auto updated 😠
Can't control my blinds with HA using the local API anymore, have to use tahoma app and internet required
forest edge
updating is nothing but a gamble. something that should only be done if you are already experincing issues, not something you do when everything is currently working as you like
ember anvil
mine auto updated, didn't know it would, never thought to check
forest edge
now you do lol
deft pewter
hey who doesnt want the proximity detection for barn lights, but without a stupi...
You've mentioned both threshold triggers and proximity triggers. For proximity, wouldn't UWB work well? I know some phones are starting to ship with it but otherwise not sure how mature the tech is.
peak slate
Why is it always crypto scams, why can't we get a good ol classic Nigerian prince scam
dawn badge
Why is it always crypto scams, why can't we get a good ol classic Nigerian princ...
someone finally helped him so he doesnt need to reach out anymore
simple gazelle
Can't it at least be an OF bot? Then I'd get to look at an attractive lady for a few moments before the hammer falls. Everyone wants money, not sex, capitalism sucks.
peak slate
someone finally helped him so he doesnt need to reach out anymore
I guess "I make 100 million per year working part time at home, learn how!" Is the closer scam to the crypto scams
dawn badge
semi related video i saw the other day - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDgkrA6ZO8o
at least we now know that is (sort of) possible
stuck anchor
someone finally helped him so he doesnt need to reach out anymore
i read that police found lots and lots of cash in a hotel room in nigeria years ago. maybe he just gave up on giving it away.
crisp oriole
Wait for an quantum computer to steal all bitcoins
You can just take the block chain you dont have to get personal
dawn badge
Wait for an quantum computer to steal all bitcoins
or just get a wrench
fathom sparrow
Do I get the wrench?
crisp oriole
or just get a wrench
I have a plan i use a pizero to store hd passwords and decripts them over ssh. With a self destroy function
crisp oriole
Do I get the wrench?
Arnt you more the type to administer the drugging?
fathom sparrow
I have multiple skills
This isn't a support channel
Please create a post in #1284966540617449515
glacial knot
I have a plan i use a pizero to store hd passwords and decripts them over ssh. W...
Which ssh key exchange is PQ?
deft pewter
All 3 iron man skills are useful!
fathom sparrow
I'd say wrench hitting and administering drugs are useful
dawn badge
"Lying is a skill like any other, and if you want to maintain a level of excellence you have to practice constantly." - Elim Garak
tough moat
Hi! I'm a bit overwhelmed by Github and the amount of channels on here. I have a possible HomeWizard integration bug that I want to post.
dawn badge
tough moat
I see the channel, but I can't chat there. Can I just create thread?
dawn badge
yup
tough moat
Alright, I'll try it out
dawn badge
the support channels are "forum style"
tough moat
I see.
static schooner
the support channels are "forum style"
Which is kinda like "Animal Style"
dawn badge
https://tenor.com/view/elim-garak-all-true-even-the-lies-especially-the-lies-dr-...
Garak is such a great character 🙂
unborn merlin
Can't control my blinds with HA using the local API anymore, have to use tahoma ...
no? just build the thing.
iron granite
unborn merlin
@ember anvil https://github.com/rstrouse/ESPSomfy-RTS
Bypass their hub bullshit entirely.
solar zealot
I'm so mad
I just be watching top gear and the new episodes started
There goes my soft evening entertainment
deft pewter
New episodes? There haven't been any since 2015.
vernal pewter
I think my spouse is over my HA addiction. 4 months in to a rebuild (for a new house).
weak musk
eventually the stockholm syndrome will solve that
solar zealot
New episodes? There haven't been any since 2015.
I thought so as well but autoplay switched to something of an alternative reality
ripe compass
What camera doorbell do you use + any subscriptions?
I guess thats a question for everyone
ocean oar
UniFi. Works fine, although you have to buy one of their (somewhat overpriced) NVRs.
There'll be lots of threads in #1284966353798697001 about it though
ripe compass
newbie shame me later, but if you dont mind, what does NVR stand for
weak musk
UniFi. Works fine, although you have to buy one of their (somewhat overpriced) ...
do you need the NVR if you don't care about recording? Meaning will live streams work without it?
ocean oar
Only on really old firmware versions, so nothing you can go out and buy today will likely support it directly
You can get an RTSP stream out of the NVR, just not straight from the camera
weak musk
got it, thanks!
ripe compass
Wife basically got Ring, and I'm in the process of getting HA set up.. got the Ecobee thermostat as the 1st gadget, and wondering what other must products to have?
weak musk
Lighting is where 99% of people start
ripe compass
Also whats a good product to have on your slider door?
ripe compass
Lighting is where 99% of people start
yup, already got my Phillips
weak musk
and #1284966353798697001 is still the best place to ask about all of this
this is primarily a chat channel
for the memes
quasi peak
why does every ethernet splitter need additional power?
i have only found 1 that doesnt
simple gazelle
As in the things that bodge two network connections over one cable by splicing? Or like, a proper hub?
quasi peak
like as in this
I want to split the ethernet output in my garage. 1 going to the Access point, the other continuing to the fiber converter and out to my secondary structure
the ideal is:
night zodiac
well you either need a powered switch (poe or other)
you can use splitters but in an odd way where you use them on both ends with 2/4 pairs
not suggested. I would use a poe switch most likely
quasi peak
I currently have POE on the source side
but the end side is currently the AP router
Im wanting to add the fiber converter
hopefully without needing yet another plug in item
night zodiac
I would get a poe switch that can do poe out so you can continue to power your ap
quasi peak
the AP came with one
but i havent needed it because the source has it cause distance >40 feet from termination
night zodiac
switch, not injector
quasi peak
so another one of these? https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00A128S24
or something similar at least?
night zodiac
it depends on the ideal spot for you to power such but you can get a switch like above but the power goes through the ethernet just like your ap
quasi peak
yeah
night zodiac
then it can continue the power out of the switch's ethernet and power your ap
you need to make sure the poe stuff matches whatever you own though
dawn badge
you can get a switch that is powered by poe and can distribute poe to further devices. assuming the inital poe injectio has the power to do so
ubiquiti make some smaller ones that do it i think
quasi peak
https://www.amazon.com/Ethernet-Splitter-1000Mbps-0-55inch-Integrally/dp/B0DCMBFKQR/
would this work?
space at the split is kinda limited
aditional power is just a new rewire of the technical box
dawn badge
https://www.amazon.com/Ethernet-Splitter-1000Mbps-0-55inch-Integrally/dp/B0DCMBF...
that looks like an awful device. just the way its labled
night zodiac
I thought your limitation was power. If you can just power a switch then the first one you provided is fine.
shell basalt
holy crap these things are real
night zodiac
the tp-link one but it's barrel connector not usb or poe
quasi peak
its more that adding another powered thing means drywall work
shell basalt
I've got 25+ years of networking under my belt, and never have I ever believed an "ethernet splitter" was a real thing .. we would just get a small 4-port switch if we needed to expand port capacity in a location
night zodiac
yeah, using a splitter is some crazy use-case that I have never needed. switches are so cheap
dawn badge
alot of things labled "splitter" are just switches with strange form factor for people who dont know what they are looking for to buy
shell basalt
they're just 3 port switches in a small form factor and using PoE .. I see that.. I just never.. I dunno, maybe i'm just too old school
dawn badge
the 2 way splitters to put 2x100m down 1 cable is actually a "splitter"
shell basalt
yeah cuz fast ethernet only needs 2 pairs, whereas gig needs all 4 pairs
dawn badge
yup
quasi peak
since i already have the POE on the source side, this might be what i need: https://www.amazon.com/Linovision-Passive-Port-Extender-Splitter/dp/B07HSN5YSK/
shell basalt
well i've been fortunate enough to work for companies that don't allow such chicanery
quasi peak
the distance from the splitter to the termination point is less than 1 meter
on one port its 3 inches
shell basalt
you'd have to split both ends tho
umbral fulcrum
is something going on with HA. half my integrations are not loading. failing to initialize
quasi peak
how would i have to split both ends?
umbral fulcrum
has the most recent update been problematic?
dawn badge
since i already have the POE on the source side, this might be what i need: http...
that has a very low power output (says 8w) depending on the AP it may not work
shell basalt
Unifi also makes ones that are 4 port switches AND Wireless APs
or they used to.. i dunno if they still do.. i have a couple and they're awesome
dawn badge
yeah i would look at them, if you buy something cheap and nasty its going to either not work or fail quickly
quasi peak
that has a very low power output (says 8w) depending on the AP it may not work
i mean i can always use the AP's original POE splitter to power the AP.
shell basalt
those commie bastards
quasi peak
dawn badge
i mean i can always use the AP's original POE splitter to power the AP.
then just get a decent switch to wire everything together and put the injector in to power the ap
quasi peak
would that TP link switch work or would i need to get a specific POE switch
this is the current POE i have https://www.amazon.com/BV-Tech-Single-Gigabit-Ethernet-Injector/dp/B005BQUNEG/
shell basalt
I'll just stand outside MIcrocenter with a bat and deny you entry
quasi peak
me?
dawn badge
that tplink would work fine if your using the injector. but if you got a switch with poe output you wouldnt have to have the injector
quasi peak
the POE is because its a 100 foot cable from ethernet source to its end and theres signifigant signal drop otherwise
shell basalt
nice
I still gotta dust off the 10G I got from work .. I know this thing is going to be stupid loud
I need a cabinet rack
i still remember 10-15 years ago "I'd never need 10Gbit at home...."
dawn badge
the POE is because its a 100 foot cable from ethernet source to its end and ther...
what? standardard network cable is good for 100 meters. poe is for adding power only
quasi peak
weirdly, when i added the POE the network drop went from 45% to 12%
dawn badge
@quasi peak also we should probably move this to another channel. start something in #1284966617670881350
quasi peak
sure
vernal hornet
https://about.usps.com/newsroom/service-alerts/international/suspension-of-inbound-parcels-from-china-and-hong-kong.htm looks like in the US we can't get cheap hardware anymore
odd gazelle
Hey anyone with ESPhome skills know if I set the assumed_state to True in Template Cover, does it assume closed or open?
assumed_state (Optional, boolean): Whether the true state/position of the cover is not known. This will make the Home Assistant frontend show buttons for both OPEN and CLOSE actions, instead of hiding one of them. Defaults to false.
deft pewter
https://about.usps.com/newsroom/service-alerts/international/suspension-of-inbou...
Leopards ate my face moment 😄
clever mortar
Hey anyone with ESPhome skills know if I
forest edge
https://about.usps.com/newsroom/service-alerts/international/suspension-of-inbou...
it's probably for the best. that stuff just ultimatly disappoints us anyways lol
stuck anchor
https://www.amazon.com/Ethernet-Splitter-1000Mbps-0-55inch-Integrally/dp/B0DCMBF...
isn't that just a regular ethernet switch, but with only 2 ports + uplink?
civic citrus
Me seeing people having to buy these splitters when I can just pickup POE+ switches from work 
(Also hi im new)
loud pike
Me seeing people having to buy these splitters when I can just pickup POE+ switc...
I've gotten sent a few of them, but they're all USB powered. They're basically just super tiny two port switches for.... I mean, I guess they might have a purpose? Maybe? Maybe they're built for stuff like shoving behind a TV that takes a wired connection and a game console that does too if ported into single wall port.
forest edge
two ports sounds more like an injector
solar zealot
realistically you should have no issue powering properly sized ones instead
especially as those 2ports arent cheap either
stuck anchor
given the figure above I would go with a switch with at least 4 2.5Gb ports and a sfp+ cage for future proofing the uplink. can plug in all the 3 needed ports for now and still have at least one spare. and in the future the "ethernet in" can be upgraded to 2.5Gb ethernet on the existing cable or to 10Gb by replacing the cable with dac or fiber. but - yeah - related tech.
if that fiber converter has non-firewalled internet i would definitely use managed switches and vlans to isolate it from other networks until reaches a firewall/router though
solar zealot
That probably couldn't be further beyond the scope of something that a two port switch is supposed to cover
runic cape
Kind of surprised that I'm not running into any mains powered smart temperature/humidity sensors, it seems like a perfect opportunity to make a device like the way smart plugs work but without interacting with the plug at all (beyond siphoning a teensy tiny bit of energy)
that way they also work as relays and it's easy to get a good mesh in your home if you intend to measure every room
like the form factor of smart plugs I mean
runic cape
that way they also work as relays and it's easy to get a good mesh in your home ...
(assuming zigbee or whatever)
deft pewter
like the form factor of smart plugs I mean
Are smart plugs the right place to add these sensors? At least here in the UK, power sockets are almost at floor level, while we position thermostats at something like shoulder/head height.
mint summit
"TSMC Successfully Collaborates with Suppliers to Create Eco-friendly Hydrofluoric Acid" I don't think HF and eco-friendly should be in the same sentence
honest ibex
I could do with some help with unifiprotect intergration, where can I post for help please? 🙂
fathom sparrow
peak slate
I don't think esphome will accept my assumed_state to be Colorado will it
runic cape
Are smart plugs the right place to add these sensors? At least here in the UK, p...
Hmm maybe that's why, though my plugs are not at the floor, I suppose many people's are
I meant specifically with that form factor. I guess you're referring to Ikea's air quality monitor? does too much
It's a bit expensive if you don't value the air quality measurement or the display
keen bridge
Kind of surprised that I'm not running into any mains powered smart temperature/...
Netatmo do them, but you don't want it on the plug, electricity generates heat which will affect temperature and humidity readings.
But also, battery powered devices tend to work for years without needing new batteries.
runic cape
Netatmo do them, but you don't want it on the plug, electricity generates heat w...
Yeah but they won't function as zigbee relays, and due to their spread nature, probably will need relays
if you already happen to have those it's fine
4 years on the sonoff pucks it says
although some not so great reviews on their reliability
clever mortar
The Aqara sensors typically get 1-3 years out of batteries
stuck anchor
"TSMC Successfully Collaborates with Suppliers to Create Eco-friendly Hydrofluor...
kind of like mayo light? yes, it has 30% less calories than regular mayo. it's still very very fattening
peak slate
Also like Mayo it's something you never want to consume
stuck anchor
although some not so great reviews on their reliability
i have had lots of problems with the metal parts that connect the button cell batteries on my sonoffs. having to open them 3-4 times a year to bend those parts is a pain
runic cape
The contacts? Or the things that are meant to push them into the contacts?
stuck anchor
mostly the curved metal part that presses on the rim
now the pine store has temporarily stopped all shipments to the us. yay tariffs
deft pewter
Imagine thinking that tariffs punish the sellers 🫠
civic citrus
Btw I might have missed it but if I want recommendations for devices should I ask in #1284966353798697001 ? 
shell basalt
@warm helm @tidal bronze
deft pewter
Not just USPS either. I'm sure I saw that DHL have followed suit. It'll be interesting to see how this all pans out.
shell basalt
yes 😐
tidal bronze
@forest edge no more Temu for you.
tidal bronze
<@437583395833249792> <@331255319365812224>
Raining down here as well. Strange.
thorny scarab
The stoppage has already been cancelled 😂
shell basalt
you still can! its just going to end differently this time
shell basalt
yeah most of the people you see rammed into the walls and squished under semi trucks and salt trucks thought the same thing
i'll deal with snow, my ass is staying home when its ice
technically i'm suppose to be in the office today
quasi peak
young retirement life
shell basalt
I got a certain bit of anatomy they can kiss if they expect me in the office today
is it somewhere nice?
dusky plank
You have offices?
peak slate
They're now accepting all shipments from China now
While deciding how to handle the new taxes
civic citrus
Okay im laughing my ass off, Trump tariff taxes actually work 
deft pewter
Okay im laughing my ass off, Trump tariff taxes actually work <:OMEGALUL:1241108...
'work' in what sense? If you mean they'll put up prices for consumers, sure they work.
peak slate
'work' in what sense? If you mean they'll put up prices for consumers, sure they...
"Inflation will continue to rise until morale improves"
deft pewter
Oh. They're one of those? Cheers
keen bridge
Mod reminder: Politics is out of scope for this server 😉
peak slate
#raccoon-gifs
iron granite
solar zealot
🦝
peak slate
Do I need to model the raccoon assistant logo and print it into some of my 3d printed devices
keen bridge
Of course
visual walrus
I'm a newbie, what time is 2025.2 launching? When it's ready or at a planned time?
I'm pretty sure it's the next 24 hours.
visual walrus
Got it. Thanks.
shell basalt
i step away and come back to seeing a user with the name of "turdburglar"
visual walrus
lol he said turd
shell basalt
which is mostly "man, glad that ziggy guy went away..." ?
hexed spade
peak slate
https://tenor.com/view/muahaha-louise-belcher-bobs-burgers-fire-gif-4141392
Have you seen the furby piano?
shell basalt
i thought that said Furry Organ and i thought "not clicking that..." then realized it said Furby Organ.. and still not clicking
weak musk
BWAHAHAHAAHAH omg the bigger face plate makes the smaller one EVEN FUNNIER.
The only thing that should bring anyone joy in this picture is your keyboard cable
I’ve never been able to type on those either
peak slate
But a split keyboard is still pretty regular unless they move around the keys or don't have legends
I use a fake split keyboard, Ms sculpt
weak musk
I had a friend growing up that had cerebral palsy and as a result had limited mobility in one hand. So he used a custom one handed keyboard. THAT really broke my mind.
weak musk
But a split keyboard is still pretty regular unless they move around the keys or...
I don’t know what it is, I can’t touch type on either.
woeful mist
Hi all, not sure what channel to put this on.
I was wondering if, beit via add-on, integration or something else, there is a way to see what other users are currently looking at a dashboard or other part of home assistant
lone dagger
The only thing that should bring anyone joy in this picture is your keyboard cab...
My custom purple and teal cord is awesome.
weak musk
I agree
cerulean karma
Hi all, not sure what channel to put this on.
I was wondering if, beit via add-...
#find-support , the "Unsure where to start?" thread is for this kind of questions.
I think though #1284966582375813201 is your spot, and "browser-mod" is your integration. It has the currently displayed URL for each registered browser 🙂
woeful mist
Ah, excellent. Thanks man!
dull idol
Hello, if I am looking for advice about the home assistant installation best for me for a given list of end goals, would that still go in the installation support channel despite not being an actual issue?
dawn badge
yeah its probably best in there
dull idol
great, thank you. trying not to have to re-do things.
dawn badge
there is that yeah
dull idol
lol, but I am hoping whether I keep it on a PI as I have now (barely set up) or run it on the system I have running ollama, whisper and so forth will not change. I am also not sure if running it on a windows pc in a VM is the one called supervised
I have a habit of diving in the deep end, so trying to restrain that, while also making sure my install can do my end goals
stuck anchor
I had a friend growing up that had cerebral palsy and as a result had limited mo...
chord keyboards were a fad back in the early eighties. 6 keys. one under each finger but two under the thumb iirc. i met a guy at a conference in 1999 who had one one a pull out mechanism strapped to his arm
dull idol
just was not sure if it would be easier running it on the same computer handling all of the requests for assist/AI
dawn badge
people always seem to have issues running ha on a vm in windows. and also thats not what supervised is.
ideally you want to run haos on dedicated hardware
running it on a seperate system to ollama wont be an issue
yeah keeping it stable is important so bare metal or with a dedicated hypervisor like proxmox
clear ferry
bare metal go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
red rock
bare metal go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
bare metal usually sounds like KLENGELENG
clear ferry
I boot my primary system once every two weeks for patching, wife has to live with the 7 minute outage 
stuck anchor
i run ha on a pi 4 connected directly to my router, and from the same power outlet. with access through nabu casa cloud and the ssh add on. it should be up if the router is up and i can get in from the outside and troubleshoot if my other services are down
dawn badge
i try and patch when it doesn't impact others
clear ferry
HA runs on the same system as all my other containers
❯ docker ps -a | wc -l
52
❯ zpool list
NAME SIZE ALLOC FREE CKPOINT EXPANDSZ FRAG CAP DEDUP HEALTH ALTROOT
SSD-iSCSIpool 3.47T 70.4G 3.40T - - 1% 1% 1.00x ONLINE -
Storage8TB 138T 66.9T 71.3T - - 12% 48% 1.00x ONLINE -
default 3.48T 242M 3.48T - - 0% 0% 1.00x ONLINE -
❯ cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep Intel | wc -l
48
that is just my prod containers though, I have a couple of dozen more in the labs
stuck anchor
i have a vm running docker that only runs things that don't want to run in podman. currently only one container i think
clear ferry
I should find a use for these 1.92TB SSDs though
❯ lsscsi | grep 1920 | wc -l
24
currently doing nothing
that lives fine in zfs arc
[1:0:43:0] disk SanDisk DDYE1920S5xnNMRI 3P03 /dev/sday
Nice to have 4 letter drive names
I should add another diskshelf soon though, I only have 24x 2.5 slots and 24x 3.5 slots and 16 2.5 internal ones
you kids and your parity
next you are gonna tell me you have cold spares and hot spares
dawn badge
😛
my main sorage array has 4 x 16tb drives in raid6. although it needs upgrading soon as i am running out of space. and the drives are starting to age
cerulean karma
A bit beside the current point though, but keep in mind that if you're doing this for integrity and a drive fails, the parity recalculation at SATA/spinning rust speeds can take hours/days, in which time all drives are used to the max, increasing chances a second would fail.
More but smaller HDDs go through this easier than fewer bigger ones.
I'll just let my comment be drive-by trivia for others interested in the subject.
This is one of those xkcd comics, "At my scale"...
"What are you researching?"
"All the ways things can fail..."
clear ferry
My 20 drives ZFS pool takes about 12h to rebuild a failed drive
spinning rust
oh lawd 10GBaseT trancievers, lord have mercy
get that away from me
dull idol
ok, thanks. sounds like I will leave it on the PI, it is wired directly to my router, and have it communicate with my computer running ollama/whisper/ and such. I do not need HA cloud running it this way, correct?
dawn badge
ok, thanks. sounds like I will leave it on the PI, it is wired directly to my ro...
correct, but something to keep in mind is that you should be using a ssd on the pi, if its using an SD card then it may not last as long as you would like
dull idol
wow, catching up on the conversation, I am realizing I am not nearly into computers as I used to be
clear ferry
I deploy tens of thousands of switchports per year, I've thankfully only seen about two dozen 10GBase-T Trancievers
dull idol
correct, but something to keep in mind is that you should be using a ssd on the ...
ok, that is good to know, I did not know you could use SSD with PI
dawn badge
ok, that is good to know, I did not know you could use SSD with PI
you will need to get a hat
clear ferry
I deployed some DR4 800 G Trancs the other day, apparently they were 35w per tranc
brrrrrrr
dull idol
you will need to get a hat
hat? really realizing I might not know enough to do what I want
cerulean karma
you will need to get a hat
Doesn't a USB<->SATA cable work good enough though? That's what I used when I was young.
dawn badge
this is why people are moving to mini pc's. its because by the time you buy a pi/hat/case/ssd you might as well use a mini pc
clear ferry
anything is an upgrade from a pi
a pi is a great toy for secondary school for kids to learn coding on
dawn badge
Doesn't a USB<->SATA cable work good enough though? That's what I used when I wa...
yeah probably fine too to be fair
clear ferry
LOL
dull idol
so the NUC is just a regular computer that is tiny, and I assume you just install the HA OS onto that instead of windows?
dawn badge
so the NUC is just a regular computer that is tiny, and I assume you just instal...
yeah
clear ferry
yes, I finally put one of the dusted down pis to use this year as a mainsailos host
and that is only because I want the printer in my office
dull idol
that is grat. thank you. Have to go back to doing work (working from home) but I will check back later
dawn badge
the beelink ones are quite popular with either n100 or n150
clear ferry
yes it has klipper, but I still need a frontend
PLA-CF looks really nice and is very strong, def gonna buy more of that
reef patio
You guys would be proud of me...I've got HAS running on Ubuntu and it's telling me that it's cloudy where I live.
😄 What would be some good thing for me to start with?
I don't know anything yet about wireless controllers, etc...
dawn badge
see what it can see by default and mess with it a bit 🙂
reef patio
alright....'mess with' sounds 'doable' at least... lol
It has a message saying I have to updated SQLite to 3.40.1....but I've no idea how to do that..if I click on the arrow, it only give me an option to 'ignore.'
dawn badge
what type of install do you have?
although should probably move to #1284966540617449515 if looking to get help on that specifically
reef patio
I have Ubuntu, and I installed HAS with snap
I think...
It's installed....now wondering what I should do with it.
simple gazelle
Front porch light stopped working, worrying that I had a wiring problem, or I'd messed up the relay install... nope, bulb dead after six months. I imagine a 14W LED in a boob fixture in freezing temps probably cooked itself. 😄
dawn badge
the snap install is a "core" install i think. you need to update the stuff yourself
i think this is the first time i have heard of someone installing via snap
reef patio
I don't know if I did with snap...idk...I just followed the instructions on the website
Point is...it's up and running.....now what would be a good task to start with....that's what I'm wondering about.
and also the message about updating sqlite...no idea what that means.
yes, last command was sudo snap install home-assisant-snap
*t
dawn badge
there are multiple installation types with slightly different feature sets. i dont think a snap install is an officially supported installation type
you may have some strange behavior but i imagine most things should work
reef patio
Well I want to 'automate' things turning on and off, using temperature sensors, timers, etc...but I don't know even what to get to get started...hw, let alone learning how to make that stuff work.
Is there a 'learning' chat room for newbies?
clear ferry
installing anything with snap is a crime
but hey, ubuntu even installs firefox with snap if you do apt
so screw ubuntu
I'm an angry guy who tell people to fuck off all day thank you very much
and I get paid for it
dawn badge
yeah... i use ubuntu on servers but dont use snap
dawn badge
fair enough
clear ferry
I just tell them they just got put at the end of the list when they do that
I'll get around to you in two weeks
actually my current waitlist is about 3 weeks come think of it
dull idol
just want to verify, this the one you are talking about? https://www.amazon.com/GMKtec-mini-pc-computer-n150/dp/B0CH81C4K3/
clear ferry
that's a reasonable price
you could also get this for $20
even comes with 384GB RAM
dawn badge
and a big power bill
lone dagger
I fucking wish holy shit
reef patio
installing _anything_ with snap is a crime
I dare you to say that to the faces of the Snap Gods.
lone dagger
drowns in high income area
clear ferry
I used to have 6 of those in my garage, but I moved five of them to the office instead so I can run them 24\7
clear ferry
*drowns in high income area*
I always laugh when I read reddit and see people who "work in it in high cost of living areas"
"am I earning enough, I only earn $500k a year doing basic helpdesk"
grizzled gull
I used to run a dual xeon 2780v2 server it wasn't THAT bad on power given all it did(3 VM's with dedicated graphics, including 2 gaming machines) I think it idled at like 250-300
clear ferry
My primary system is a DL380 Gen9, it sips about 130w on average with 24\48 c\t
lone dagger
I always laugh when I read reddit and see people who "work in it in high cost of...
tbf the cost of living is atrocious.
reef patio
I dare you to say that to the faces of the Snap Gods.
guys...I have no position...I don't even know what's good or bad about anything. I used some instructions to install it...I don't know if it's 'frowned upon,'
clear ferry
tbf the cost of living is atrocious.
but what about eggs!
clear ferry
I love the Intel 0000
lone dagger
but what about eggs!
Eggs are $9/dozen for me at my Kroger store. Costco is like $7 for 2 dozen.
civic citrus
I love the Intel 0000
12900KF ES ^^
clear ferry
yikes, even by our norms that is excessive @lone dagger dozen eggs is about $4, and has been for the last decade
dull idol
thank you
civic citrus
When you need 20 E14 lamps 
civic citrus
Yeah but in general I would love like a 5$ a pop bulb
Spent 20k$ upgrading my house windows 
clear ferry
I bought at least half of mye tradfri bulbs at $3-4 each, just stopped by the local ikea once a week and went to the returns
clear ferry
My new house has mostly downlights, so I'm doing zigbee downlights and zigbee buttons
I have a box of tradfri laying around from my old house
used to have 80 bulbs
civic citrus
😮
I got 20 bulbs E27 Tuya wifi ones from a friend
With some sensors
- one thermostat
also got 8 Yeelight ones RGB
Everything is E27 so maybe I should just convert my lamps to E27 sockets instead 🤣
dawn badge
I got 20 bulbs E27 Tuya wifi ones from a friend
tuya... your about to find out why they gave them away. and maybe realise they are not such a good friend...
civic citrus
tuya... your about to find out why they gave them away. and maybe realise they a...
Been working fine for 3months
weak musk
until they don’t 😂
civic citrus
Separate Vlan and everything
dawn badge
if it works for you then thats all that matters 🙂
civic citrus
His own designed bulbs n everything
So im just a beta tester
But yeah im just wondering what to get
civic citrus
13600k
grizzled gull
my 83 watts is with transcoding take place with the igpu
civic citrus
Yeah I have a A380 in there
I dont even transcode on the server
I let peoples units handle that
Straight file send
grizzled gull
For what i do the 13600k is great, the whole machine spun down idles at 50 watts
it runs 21 containers, I would have done something less powerful but I wanted teh single core speeds for modded minecraft servers
civic citrus
did you apply the bios patches?
grizzled gull
yes unfortunately
13600k wasn't affect as much as the i7's it has a lower power envelope
grizzled gull
This is new a new cheap CPU from black friday thats always had upto date bios
clear ferry
Do you want me to talk about the water cooled HPC systems I've been installing for 18 years?
lone dagger
-# pst. We do have #the-workshop.
civic citrus
-# pst. We do have <#1286093250482016328>. <:lul:887801114773295104>
We made a joke missy
Calm down
solar zealot
Do you want me to talk about the water cooled HPC systems I've been installing f...
you could be sending some of those our way
clear ferry
clear ferry
you could be sending some of those our way
When the system has 2x 450w CPUs brrrrrr
plucky sparrow
Is this just a general chat channel?
weak musk
Yes
plucky sparrow
The name is so misleading 😂
weak musk
Your face is misleading
grizzled gull
......
plucky sparrow
True, but it's not online
lone dagger
The description is pretty clear, though.
There’s no support here - only chill. Come in, grab a drink, chat with your fellow community members! This is a space to talk to other smart home enthusiasts. If you’re looking for support and unsure where to go, check out find-a-channel - it should help you find where you are going. No politics, religion, or any other obviously contentious topics! Please ensure you've read the Code of Conduct (https://www.home-assistant.io/code_of_conduct/), and rules.
grizzled gull
There is 1 exception I believe, we are allowed to discourage use of Tuya wifi devices in this channel
clear ferry
The description is pretty clear, though.
> There’s no support here - only chill....
Is that other smart home enthusiasts or smart home enthusiasts??????????
Thankfully watercoolers is mostly a us thing, but we've seen the concept
plucky sparrow
The description is pretty clear, though.
> There’s no support here - only chill....
Yes, but when looking through the channel list, you have to get that idea. And no, I never worked in the office. And in my country, there are no water cooler. The tap water is fresh, clean and cold enough 😅
lone dagger
There is 1 exception I believe, we are allowed to discourage use of Tuya wifi de...
Oh no the one exception is that only Mental Health Support is allowed.
lone dagger
Yes, but when looking through the channel list, you have to get that idea. And n...
It's in the community section, not the support section.
clear ferry
I can give some mental health support, but no mental health support
weak musk
It's in the *community* section, not the *support* section.
Your face is the community section
lone dagger
Your face is the community section
Are you just doing what I said I wasn't doing yesterday. 🤣
weak musk
-# yes, I’ve been doing it here and IRL constantly since yesterday
solar zealot
I can give some _mental_ health support, but no _mental health_ support
meet the medic
plucky sparrow
I do get it now. I just wanted to say, I had trouble finding it (so likely others will too).
clear ferry
meet the medic
solar zealot
arguably it is titled support
grizzled gull
Oh no the one exception is that only Mental Health Support is allowed.
ohhhh should I bring up the percentage of non neurotypical folks in here 😛
solar zealot
civic citrus
I look away 1 second
clear ferry
ohhhh should I bring up the percentage of non neurotypical folks in here 😛
all of them
lone dagger
ohhhh should I bring up the percentage of non neurotypical folks in here 😛
You mean 0%?
grizzled gull
Well obviously
lone dagger
we're all mad here
plucky sparrow
Is the 2024.2 delayed or is there a change in release cycle?
lone dagger
Is the 2024.2 delayed or is there a change in release cycle?
We haven't even done the live stream yet!
weak musk
You mean 0%?
grizzled gull
Is the 2024.2 delayed or is there a change in release cycle?
its a whole year behind!
plucky sparrow
hahaha
solar zealot
come on 25.2 hurry
solar zealot
switchbot to refresh system updates
cerulean karma
Is the 2024.2 delayed or is there a change in release cycle?
Update to the beta if you're in a hurry 🙂
grizzled gull
switchbot to refresh system updates
haven't read the notes, whats the change? I know my switchbot is super slow to wake up,but I figure thats just the nature of the beast, I use it to turn on a UST projector
plucky sparrow
ah yeah, I found the release party, starts in 45min https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rflpsHsEE5s
solar zealot
time to get pre stream drunk at missy
lone dagger
Watching the https://discord.com/channels/330944238910963714/427516175237382144 channel gives a good idea on when things are published.
dawn badge
button has been pushed
solar zealot
we need some meows
lone dagger
we need some meows
Gonna show of shiny stickers. And never meow.
grizzled gull
my shield turns it off just fine, but I have a specific order I start stuff up with because if I don't the wrong input gets selected 50% of the tiume
You know what i want more then anything.... a shield 2025 or 26
grizzled gull
I know
solar zealot
missy just ruined my investment into ordering fourteen hundred dollars worth of bingo cards
grizzled gull
But we are such a minor part of their business dealings I have no faith that they will make a new switch
If they charged 250 a pop for them they''d make 750 dollars instantly from me
grizzled gull
All the android TV boxes suck compared to a 10 year piece of hardware...
nope
2017 was a refresh
as was 2019
solar zealot
the nv shield?
solar zealot
oh god
grizzled gull
tube ones suck honestly, I think they get to hot
solar zealot
it is really telling how nvidia keeps making trashy chips and sells them for decades
grizzled gull
No its telling how far a head of everything else it was that nobody has replaced it yet
solar zealot
well yes but they went from "Surface RT" to "Nintendo Switch" in the time i went through school and university
weak musk
Which is a great box.
grizzled gull
To bad its apple
solar zealot
its a bit silly considering there are a lot of arm chips out there which they kinda could just take
but they want their 800 series M gpu chips on them i guess ^^
vernal hornet
i wonder if consoles will survive. MS threw in the towel, ps5 hardly has exclusives and they get ported to pc, and even stuff that isn't ported like bloodborne are fan ported. nintendo wants to do more movies and media than games now too
vernal hornet
i believe they will all be mobile and pc games
solar zealot
i think there may be a very good market for games on standard hardware
like gaming is about the experience and not about how good the hardware is at crunching numbers
vernal hornet
gpus aren't more expensive than consoles anymore, nintendo has to beat the steam deck and more open hardware
solar zealot
im not sure you saw what nvidia put on for price tags for years...
vernal hornet
ryzen with the APUs take care of graphics for casual gamers, nintendo has to beat old hardware and new hardware
solar zealot
this is something you can argue about a lot. personally i dont see twice or even four times the price being also twice or four times the fun
grizzled gull
Honestly my kid's only console is a switch, we have 2 steam decks and 3 gaming computers
plucky sparrow
gpus aren't more expensive than consoles anymore, nintendo has to beat the ste...
6 days after Nvidia released a 2000$ and a 1000$ card 😂 and the last gen didn't even get cheaper too
grizzled gull
I'll gladly pay for GPU's that give so much more flexibility
vernal hornet
i'd say you can be a hardcore vintage gamer or someone who plays games on hardwarre thye have
solar zealot
you can pay for flexibility if thats what you want but wether or not consoles will have a market that kinda doesnt demand flexibility
grizzled gull
We travel a lot and I have battery packs for the steam decks, I flew to Paris playing Cyberpunk 2077
vernal hornet
6 days after Nvidia released a 2000$ and a 1000$ card 😂 and the last gen didn't...
if you can't buy old graphics cards and MUST buy the new one
solar zealot
if you can't buy old graphics cards and MUST buy the new one
who is buying the to be old stock for the future?
this isnt something that just works for a lot of people
vernal hornet
a lot of people can't buy older graphics cards?
solar zealot
if no one buys new cards there are no old ones people will sell
grizzled gull
and I will argue you could build a PC for similar costs for a ps5, b580 and and AMD 6 core chip and 32 gb of ram you wouldn't be far off
solar zealot
unless you want actually old stuff at which point the question would be about why even try
plucky sparrow
if you can't buy old graphics cards and MUST buy the new one
yeah way cheaper ones are still better than console. It was just about the quote in general 😅
ocean oar
if no one buys new cards there are no old ones people will sell
Given how small it sounds like the available stock was at the 5xxx launch, probably be a while before the 'ol trickle-down starts to take effect
vernal hornet
intel released a cheap gpu and nvidia has cheaper ones too
solar zealot
intel released something most people wont buy
grizzled gull
intel needs top release a b770
solar zealot
nvidia has basically no cheap models really
the 60s series are about the price of a console
solar zealot
a beast
grizzled gull
intel released something most people wont buy
Says who? do you know what the most popular GPU on steam is? Its like a 3060
ocean oar
The most expensive 5090s here in NZ cost more than I paid for an entire PC with basically top of the line everything back in 2015
solar zealot
Says who? do you know what the most popular GPU on steam is? Its like a 3060
says the market who isnt even mentioning intel existing at the current time
grizzled gull
Nvidia has basically said price is going to go up everytime if performance goes up 30% so will the costs
solar zealot
we dont need to argue about products that exist that arent mainstream in use really. there is no gold to dig
deft pewter
Nvidia has basically said price is going to go up everytime if performance goes ...
And, this year, prices go up even when performance doesn't 🤣
vernal hornet
intel released something most people wont buy
you can say that about all products. the point is that console gaming is dying, MS puts no efforrt into their xbox so its all games on windows, nintendo killed their console so its just a handheld again, and playstation has no moat, they can't even charrrge people to play forrtnite so they are losing money too
grizzled gull
Hmm I was going to upgrade to a 5080, but seeing the performance compared to my 7900xtx I don't see a point at all
solar zealot
the way console gaming is dying is the same way that pc has been dying since the smartphones came out the first time
dawn badge
consoles are in a strange place.
nintendo are not fighting anyone they are doing their own thing
microsoft are not fighting and just want you to have gamepass no matter what hardware you have
sony are still trying to fight everyone in a war that's over
solar zealot
just because we repeat this wont make it happen
vernal hornet
sony is the only one that still has a console, nintendo even gave up after the wii u
grizzled gull
I really want to see what the 9070xt is going to sell for I think AMD got surprised with the nvidia's pricing for the 70 series
solar zealot
the people want affordable devices which the market will provide, one way or the other
clear ferry
Hey, our switch is docked, it's kinda a console
vernal hornet
Hey, our switch is docked, it's kinda a console
the hackable switch reminds me of the psp, from the capabilities of emulation to the video out
solar zealot
the good thing we got is that integrated graphics dont suck that much anymore these days