the-water-cooler

[kind falcon]

And what you mention is already being done in Norway, as in many other places

[stuck anchor]

i have not heard about it being completed here, but maybe it has? 🙂 if so - great!

we have done some experiments with wave power that just taught us that natures muscles are immense 😄

[primal laurel]

meh, all the EVs coming from china use LFP. Including the tesla's produced there

[stuck anchor]

i think the schedule is full availability in 2028. factories just can't make enough yet. but ev manufacturers are probably willing to pay some premium for them.

[primal laurel]

just gotta make sure we get some of that battery production capacity back to the EU...

[stuck anchor]

so many failed initiatives for that

[deft pewter]

I thought the jury had decided that gravity batteries were a waste of time?

I like the idea that everyone's EV could be a temporary store for the grid if you just leave them connected when not in use. Some energy suppliers give you better rates if you agree to do that.

[weary bone]

Ahhh cool

You think the heater is just circulating existing co2? Or is it adding co2 to the environment?

[primal laurel]

what collapsed?

[primal laurel]

ah. You should have some natural elevation change

[deft pewter]

Nonono. There was a sudden and unplanned release of potential energy.

[clear ferry]

I hate looking at our internal release notes, and can only understand the date if any of the first two fields are 13 or more

[lone dagger]

I switched how I write dates because most of my company is European.

[clear ferry]

I like you

Now use Celsius and Meter

[lone dagger]

I’m not quite to meters yet, but I do C.

[vocal birch]

I'm thinking of creating a group for every device/entity and using groups instead of the actual entities for dashboards and automations. Can anyone think of a reason this is a bad idea aside from initial setup? I'm thinking this will allow me to replace devices without breaking their dashboards and automations as long as the replaced device is put back into the correct groups.

[unborn merlin]

get a 3d printer, its a good way to force oneself into metric.. 🙃

[lone dagger]

I do this for a few things but I wouldn't do it for everything.

[lone dagger]

I went to school to be a mechanic. You get the best of both worlds in the vehicle industry.

fr lmao

[clear ferry]

Imperial tools are great, to get out rusted broken metric nuts

[vocal birch]

The problem is I am trying to use the name to keep hardware model info and serials. so If I replace a light I want to have the model info in the name, I dont see a better way to store hardware info unless there is an addon or something.

[dawn badge]

its not an awful solution

[vocal birch]

is that because the time it would take to create a group for everything? I'm just trying to create a standardized routine for adding devices instead of having to go back and add groups if I decide to add an automation for a certain device later on.

[unborn merlin]

whatever you decide, is whatever you want.. standards are only standards at the user level for that sorta thing? 🤷‍♂️

[dawn badge]

i have done simalar things with helpers to reference a sensor that i might want to change. which means i only have to change the helper and not all the automations and stuff that pull from it

[lone dagger]

It’s because the automations may not work the way you expect them to.

I have a couple of groups that make it a lot easier for the automation. I also have groups that get really confused if automations aren’t set up very specifically.

[unborn merlin]

yeah, you can only abstract so much behind groups

helpers are more easy to abstract behind because you tend to pull specific things from groups of objects, etc

[vocal birch]

I'm really just trying to organize and create a framework that will be easy to maintain and manage. I've been lazily moving everything I have away from google and get my mind wrapped around how everything functions.

[lone dagger]

Yeah HA has an interesting learning curve.

[dawn badge]

whatever system you come up with will replaced by a new one you come up with soon after

[vocal birch]

I thought labels would work like groups until a started renaming everything last night and wasted hours when I found labels dont function in automations. Maybe I am just over thinking it.

[solar zealot]

_old_old_v2

[runic cape]

I'm enjoying smart thermostats more than I expected, specifically the temperature and humidity histories

[vocal birch]

I was going to use the group name as the user readable identifier. Although really I was going to just overwrite the group names in the dashboard anyways.

[runic cape]

It has also really put me at ease about humidity levels in my home, though I didn't really worry that much about them

[unborn merlin]

smart thermostats may in fact be the single greatest smarthome device ther eis

change-wise I mean

as they can have remote sensors to properly goddamn gauge the temperature of the house

[primal laurel]

you do C? I myself stick with weed

[runic cape]

yep, now I just need to buy them

one for every room!

[unborn merlin]

i'm actually.. working on an esp32/esphome version

for someones house that.. has fucky thermostat wiring areas.

[runic cape]

I hang my laundry to dry indoors and I have many plants and I'm often lazy about using the extractor fan when cooking, now I can exactly see the impacts of those things and I really don't need to worry

I'm guessing the advice isn't nonsense because some homes do need to worry but I don't

[vocal birch]

To make finding groups easier I was going to G-Living-Room-light to designate its a group. This kinda started because as you correctly identified it got confusing when creating an automation if I was using the group or the device. Thats partly why the device naming scheme was going to be Hardwaremodel-groupname minus the G. Since the device name wasnt being used I thought it would be convenient to track model info there.

[runic cape]

again I never really worried much but it's so nice to actually see it

[unborn merlin]

my home is too poorly insulated for plants/etc to be required! /s

[lone dagger]

Yep, use entity triggers.

[vocal birch]

yea sorry, I mean entity. Groups are basically just entities so they get listed in the entity list with no special designator and no way to filter if using the automation gui.

[lone dagger]

I've noticed that sometimes even if I do that the backend name adds a "2".

So I have to go in and change it in the device settings.

It's not super consistent, though, so I don't know what makes it do that.

[vocal birch]

right now If I change a device name that is used in an automation the automation is automatically updated to the the new device name. Do dashboard function the same way?

[lone dagger]

They do!

I have an Aqara contact sensor that often needs to be re-added to my Zigbee network. The card for it on my dashboard stays, and becomes functional again after I rename it.

[vocal birch]

sweet good to know. I was pleasantly surprised last night when I went to fix all my automations and they already had the new entity's info.

[storm crest]

finally decided on a dining table light

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/71w96+30GWL._AC_SL1500_.jpg

[kind falcon]

Just for fun I bought this cheap moes camera. Now it turns out it has telnet open without authentication. Root access. That is some china grade security right there 😛

[storm crest]

grabbing 5x WiZ ST19

[dawn badge]

that for a dining table or a snooker table!?!

[storm crest]

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/71vPLXWGMVL._AC_SX679_.jpg

dining.

[dawn badge]

😛

looks a bit like a snooker light 😛

[storm crest]

it ain't much

I won't be able to fully see the Samsung Frame once it's installed but it was always meant for art anyway

oh man I should finally make those damn wood bezels to finish the look

[lone dagger]

I have a couple of these, but the dining room fixture is on a dimmer switch and these types of lights seem to hate that. But also maybe it's just my shit electrical wiring.

[storm crest]

donno what color I should go with, maybe a dark brown finish

[lone dagger]

I LOVE THAT IMAGE

[storm crest]

you don't put smart lights on dimmers

[lone dagger]

They aren't anymore, promise, lol.

[storm crest]

there's a horizontal one to the left as well

netgear makes displays?

WOAH

[lone dagger]

wtf is that black art piece on the side there, though???

[kind falcon]

Would be awesome if you can apps or webpages on it

[storm crest]

https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/310864

mine is better lookin'

[kind falcon]

I see. I can imagine it switching to camera view when motion is detected. Stuff like that.

Futuristic stuff

[storm crest]

the netgear stuff is interesting but they aren't as big, these are 55"

what art do you normally display?

4k rez really makes a diff at that size, the only compromise with them is that the Samsung Tizen OS is a real piece of shit and even tho' the 55"+ support 120hz it knocks down the backlight to 60hz in art mode

you don't really notice it unless you are looking at it directly while walking past

[lone dagger]

I want that big ass e-ink display and the art that you can put on those.

[storm crest]

oh the one from CES?

big $ and they kinda cheated by showcasing art with very solid colors

[lone dagger]

This one.

[storm crest]

ohhhh

I watched that yesterday!

not a fan of the logo in the bezel

[dawn badge]

tizen really is a piece of crap

[kind falcon]

Its just crazy expensive those eink things

[storm crest]

I'll likely get an eink display for my office space and front door eventually

just not in the books atm

done with the big spending

[kind falcon]

I think it has mainly to do with production numbers . ii understand correctly the tech behind it isn't all that hard or expensive.

[storm crest]

TBH the only alternative dining table light I considered was this but it was ~$1k CAD and was only dumb baked in dimmable lighting at 3000k color temp ... like come on at that price at least don't cheap out on the LEDs

so, going with the cheaper smarter option lol

it looks so much better tho' aaah oh well no metal fancy sticks for me

[unborn merlin]

the fuck..

that just looks like a bunch of haphazard sticks.. 🤣

[lone dagger]

Okay so I grew up with someone named Lorin who was from Canada and this is fucking weird now.

[storm crest]

Probably wasn't me I moved to Canada when I was 14

[lone dagger]

He lived with us for a while 30 years ago lol.

[storm crest]

also I'm a blob in a trash can.

[lone dagger]

Then went back to .....somewhere where there are oil rigs in CA.

Which....is descriptive I know.

lmao

[storm crest]

[lone dagger]

Nah, he's old enough to be my dad.

Lorin's bio, lmao

[storm crest]

I added that to keep the Discord youngins from being wierd.

[kind falcon]

Maybe he actually is

[storm crest]

donno, this Discord tends to have older folk in it closer to my age

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/grandma's-fake-teeth-flew-out-when-blowing-a-candle-viralhog-grandma-blew-out-a-candle-and-her-dental-implants-flew-out-gif-2177443156331695156

[storm crest]

getting these to match the look

hope it works out

oh wait these need bulbs too FML

whatever

orders more

[lone dagger]

not spending more money
spends more money

[storm crest]

jesus christ the 20" diameter takes 5 bulbs

same as the damn dining table

that's insane

[iron granite]

You could use petroleum lamps.

[solar zealot]

What would be insane would be you buying 1600lm hue bulbs for them

[kind falcon]

With zigbee?

[weak musk]

Never use more than 1% brightness 😂

[solar zealot]

U guys just like the cave light ^^

[kind falcon]

This is the only rule? Damn

[solar zealot]

It can't be bright enough

[storm crest]

my previous big light was an upside down grow lamp that lit up the entire living room

since the place I lived in had zero natural light

[solar zealot]

Those funky 3kw R7 ones?

[storm crest]

now things are better

[weak musk]

I like several dim lights in a room

Vs a few that are like the sun

[solar zealot]

I like being able so see stuff properly

[weak musk]

I mean sure, I use task lights for that. But generally no

[solar zealot]

Being awake is the chore ;D

[weak musk]

We have a friend that added recessed lights to their living room (probably a 10x14’ space). They now have roughly 18 in the room and they do not have a dimmer 🤣😫

It’s beyond the definition of overkill

[unborn merlin]

what were they smoking?

[kind falcon]

Can't believe it, this 'smart camera' has a root passwd = "" and I found the hardcoded admin passwd. It is 123456. This is some top notch stuff.

[solar zealot]

Which brand is it

[kind falcon]

moes

crapware

[solar zealot]

I am not surprised

[ocean oar]

https://tenor.com/view/mel-brooks-password-rick-moranis-space-balls-gif-10632343

[weak musk]

They now wear sunscreen inside 😂

[kind falcon]

was 15$ figured I have something to toy with.

[solar zealot]

Could be worse then

[kind falcon]

I think I might be able to turn on rtsp which is not on by default.

And ofc update the root passwd 😛

Gotta say it is a lot of fun looking around how these things are put together. Sloppy dev thats for sure.

lol i crashed it

[lone dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/im-proud-of-you-dan-levy-david-david-rose-schitts-creek-gif-20773745

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/sacha-baron-cohen-great-success-yay-gif-4185058

[stuck anchor]

if you add several bulbs in one lamp they will need to be in a zigbee group. if you try addressing them individually with simultaneous messages they will lose commands quite often, probably interference from being so close together. when you send to a group it is only one message.

[lone dagger]

Also good to have an extender in the same room to strengthen the mesh.

[kind falcon]

The dev left his own wifi password in the main binary.

[lone dagger]

I just set up Music Assistant and while it isn't nearly as intuitive as I wish it was it's absolutely one of the easiest things I have set up.

[kind falcon]

Yea its pretty good if you stick to simple setups.

[solar zealot]

You didn't break any more hands and stuff???? Is it really worth it then

[kind falcon]

I just tossed it today. Had a player group and it all went haywire. After hours of troubleshooting i was sick of it. Back to plex+dlna

[tidal bronze]

MA rocks, crossfade on chromecast ++

[lone dagger]

I should have set it up with the Spotify Client ID, though, so I had to wait for it to sync before I could delete it. Now I need to wait for it to sync again. 😂

Whoops.

[lone dagger]

Ew Chromecast.

[tidal bronze]

Nothing beats chromecast audio

[kind falcon]

I am utterly confused by the airplay support in HA en MA.

[tidal bronze]

Tos link + analog out how can you ask for more. I run a bunch for zone control and always collect them.

[stuck anchor]

i use minidlna and bubbleupnp running as containers on my file server and the bubbleupnp app on my phone. the app lets me play from any dlna source to my phone or to any dlna receiver.

it can also reencode audiostreams on the fly to lower bandwidth if i am on cellular

[kind falcon]

Can dnla be remotely controlled or is it a client thing only?

[lone dagger]

Nothing beats giving Google the middle finger.

[tidal bronze]

I will stick to CCA until they completely kill them. I have an extensive audio setup, redoing would be a task.

[tidal bronze]

Oh you feeling friendly today

[stuck anchor]

it's a kind of producer, consumer and coordinator thing.

most receivers have built in support

[tidal bronze]

DLNA good old times

[kind falcon]

Right now I have a denon smart speaker and I can control it and scroll through a library which is nice. But ideally I would like to send audio to it.

[lone dagger]

Speakers are expensive, okay.

I mean you can make a tablet HA device. 😂

[tidal bronze]

Or PiP on any TV

[tidal bronze]

I am not going to miss 29s in NJ from last week.

[clear ferry]

Hey, we are going back to -20c now hopefully

I'm tired of +2

[kind falcon]

1+"2" .. python NP we'll do that.

[clear ferry]

I was playing around with a undocumented rest API the other day

That was fun

"no that is not what I want"

"not that either"

"I'm so close baby"

[primal laurel]

Funny. Also why haven't you found #memes

[clear ferry]

Because fuck other channels, @lone dagger is here

[primal laurel]

Missy is everywhere

[clear ferry]

Oh fuck

[kind falcon]

Like all over the place or isn't that what you are saying?

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/smoofers-racoon-gif-18745795

[primal laurel]

That's awkward, I'm currently on the train

[clear ferry]

Why are you doing that on a train?

[primal laurel]

That's my fetish

[lone dagger]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/336634251342512158/971086227870732378/image0-1.gif

[lone dagger]

I am in most of the community channels. 😄

[solar zealot]

It's always time

[runic cape]

Yay I made an absolute humidity sensor, no idea if the outcome is correct at all

[primal laurel]

I need a minisforum Linux box or something

[solar zealot]

It you submerge it in water and it measures close to 100% that would work ^^

[primal laurel]

Absolute?

N100 feels so dated

Give me Ryzen

[solar zealot]

It's a two year old cpu

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/good-evil-star-wars-emporer-palpatine-darkside-gif-4624104

[solar zealot]

unless you actually want an embedded ryzen they are all much more expensive

[weak musk]

And considering HA runs fine on a pi4 a n100 will be overkill.

[runic cape]

Yeah, you know how the humidity we talk about almost always refers to relative humidity? I wanted to know absolute humidity for a change

[solar zealot]

And you get the great media encoders for free

[primal laurel]

I thought it was around for ages

[solar zealot]

No it's brand new ish

Q1'23

[primal laurel]

Per unit of air

[solar zealot]

The newer ones like the N150 are not noticable better or less expensive so it's still a mighty fine purchase

[runic cape]

I had GPT do all the work, that's part of why I have no idea if it's correct. but it runs

[kind falcon]

Running on a hp prodesk. Pis are just f*cking expensive

[runic cape]

and absolute humidity is in grams of water per cubic meter

[weak musk]

About the cost of an n100 lol

[primal laurel]

Oh god

[weak musk]

(Once you add an ssd and adaptor cable to the pi)

[primal laurel]

Confusing it with something else then

Whats in the older intel nucs?

[solar zealot]

regular core i U cpus

[weak musk]

Old Intel

😉

[solar zealot]

like the stuff that goes into notebooks

[kind falcon]

My prodesk with all the extra stuff disconnected and disabled run close to 50watt idle. I am fine with that. Still can scale up pretty good.

[solar zealot]

minisforum offers probably what you want for compute at any price point

they at least know how to make a proper system handle the thermals

[iron granite]

Calculating absolute humidity isn't that hard.

[runic cape]

sure? but I have no idea

I also didn't know how to write templates

[weak musk]

Is their stuff good? I’ve only seen it recently

[solar zealot]

they been around for quite some time, its fairly decent

[iron granite]

((e ** ((17.67 * temp) / (243.5 + temp )) * 6.112 * humidity * 2.1674 ) / (273.15 + temp))
Looks scarier than it is.

[solar zealot]

the only thing that is a bit odd is their proprietary sata connectors but you can order them for like 20 cents on aliexpress

yes

[runic cape]

there's an actual e?

[iron granite]

e is a constant and available in HA templates

[primal laurel]

I love minisforum

[weak musk]

You’re saying we don’t need a $100k dedicated machine for AI? I’ve been lied to by the people of this channel!

[solar zealot]

oh btw if minisforum seems pricy at times, they have excelent refurbished deals

[runic cape]

Here is the one "I" came up with ```
{{ (states('sensor.smart_thermostat_x_humidity') | float / 100) *
(6.112 * (2.71828 ** ((17.67 * state_attr('climate.smart_thermostat_x', 'current_temperature') | float) /
(state_attr('climate.smart_thermostat_x', 'current_temperature') | float + 243.5)))) * 100 /
(461.5 * (state_attr('climate.smart_thermostat_x', 'current_temperature') | float + 273.15)) * 1000}}

[weak musk]

Buying direct?

[kind falcon]

I am more concerned about power usage. Back in the days when I didnt pay for the utility bill I ran rack servers at home.

[solar zealot]

yes from them directly

amazon sometimes gets some of that stock from them aswell but its not that marked down

[weak musk]

I know, someone here was going on about exactly what I said a month or two ago

[weak musk]

Is that how you heated your place too?

[kind falcon]

I heat my home with XMR miners

[iron granite]

{% set cur_temp = states('sensor.temperature')|float(0) %}
{% set cur_humidity = states('sensor.humidity')|float(0) %}
{{ ((e ** ((17.67 * cur_temp) / (243.5 + cur_temp )) * 6.112 * cur_humidity * 2.1674 ) / (273.15 + cur_temp))|round(2) }}

For comparison

[solar zealot]

and they started selling mainboards with all sorts of mobile grade cpus which is quite a nice nas base for something slightly bigger

[runic cape]

Was I wrong to guess that humidity still needed to be divided by 100 🤔

[solar zealot]

im currently waiting for their MS-01 to become a bit more cheaper

[runic cape]

I guess I could have easily checked that

or maybe not so easily

[clear ferry]

I'm probably gonna buy a Minisforum um890

First computer I've bought since 2009

[solar zealot]

will you even notice it arriving in your basement?

its just getting lost!

[clear ferry]

If I only had a basement, I'm not that Fritzl

[keen bridge]

I'm just going to say, I recommend Home Assistant #1325926382575816725 😇😅

[solar zealot]

more shinies!

[keen bridge]

My handbag is full of shinies. All for me.

[solar zealot]

thats selfish! i need at least some of those shinies!

[keen bridge]

https://giphy.com/gifs/YEe4Y10PuOTYI

Or, they might accidentally get stuck to all my devices

[kind falcon]

openhab is so much better than home assistant

[unborn merlin]

good for you. 🤷‍♂️

[kind falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/oops-shocked-seriously-omg-tremors3-gif-22329296

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/popcorn-guy-relaxing-popcorm-popcorn-gif-26404903

[keen bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/you-are-banned-banned-ban-ban-him-ban-hammer-gif-3899611162483726731

[kind falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/chihuahua-cane-recensionivere-cosa-what-gif-7417567602944477819

[primal laurel]

That's right, be afraid

[forest edge]

first time in 5 years I had one of my shellies act up. had to power cycle it. not sure if that is an indicator of it's lifecycle or complete fluke

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/trump-donaldtrump-interview-banned-cnn-gif-7677105

[last cedar]

@clear ferry how is your Volvo electric range in the cold North?

[iron granite]

[last cedar]

And I found your twin at the job site, they also eat raw meat

The emojis are excellent

Raccoon approved

[primal laurel]

We don't take orders from the Americans anymore

[kind falcon]

because?

[wooden egret]

quick question, does HA itself have access to the network share that you can set up in the UI?

[keen bridge]

Sounds like an #1284966540617449515 question to me 😉

[weak musk]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-office-politics-political-deangelo-gif-24986051

[keen bridge]

Politics are definitely out of scope for this Discord

[wooden egret]

ah ok, thought quick questions are ok. very well then!
tbh I wish there was a dedicated channel for that, support forums tend to be universally a bit dead (at least on other tech servers)

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/deadhorse-lol-gif-4927979

[keen bridge]

Engagement here is significantly up since switching to forums 😉

[weak musk]

Typically as long as you provide sufficient detail in your post (and aren’t an ass) you’ll get a response

[last cedar]

Nine out of ten raccoons prefer forums for the home assistant discord, in a recent survey

[ocean oar]

"it's complicated"

I mean what, nothing

[last cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/wawa-wawa-cat-bomb-c4-bounce-gif-17247599386475726256

Why does that come up when you search for choppy?

[wooden egret]

that's cool, when I added forums on the Lutris server for support everyone rioted that giving and getting support now sucks, and the channel was like absolutely dead 🤣 i need to know your secret sauce!

[weak musk]

Everything except for the channel dying happened here too

Mostly because there are an absolute ton of people in this community that want to help and a loud minority that want to complain about change

[tidal bronze]

So now we have to pick groups?

[clear ferry]

I haven't bothered charging it so far this winter, still 4 months of winter left though

[weak musk]

Think of it like wine regions and you’ll be fine

[clear ferry]

out of prefer @last cedar over @iron granite

[tidal bronze]

So you in Napa Camp or Bordeaux camp?

[clear ferry]

Rhoné or gtfo

[tidal bronze]

Hmmm, whales and wine

[weak musk]

Of the two, Napa

But I can’t typically drink wine anymore sadly, triggers heartburn very easily

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/johnny-cash-ring-of-fire-gif-19768519

[tidal bronze]

You gotta power through

We got aviation issues, all of a sudden.

[static schooner]

Lead makes wine so much sweeter

[weak musk]

I do?

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/youre-fucked-the-simpsons-magic-eight-gif-15834392

[tidal bronze]

Strange. Taste buds work at -20c? Must be fun when whale meat tastes as same as that glass of wine

[primal laurel]

Nonono I go complain about people not responding quickly enough to my questions. That will surely help

#1331917132878975018 message

[clear ferry]

Seal meat is also wonderful, younger the better

[solar zealot]

does it deal the seal or seal the deal

[static schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-animals-seal-clapping-foca-gif-11869008

either way, a seal is involved

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/pingu-gif-22614386

[tidal bronze]

Atx defrosting before checking that tanin level.

[clear ferry]

Hey, at least we don't have raging uncontrollable fires

[weak musk]

I thought they were all out

[tidal bronze]

Yep we got that rain you know.

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/toto-africa-gif-10637913

[tidal bronze]

Wipers a complete waste of money.

But rain is super exciting. Glass of wine + blues = bliss.

Clouds are exciting too.

[weak musk]

And a covered porch to sit on

[tidal bronze]

Yep. Rain is an event

[static schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/banjo-deliverance-sad-guitar-gif-1626503687523923092

[tidal bronze]

To cook or go out. Decisions, Decisions!

[solar zealot]

wine or wine

[tidal bronze]

Yep

[stuck anchor]

those rare days without rain are the events. when the clouds are blue and there is a warm ball of light up there

this is a song about my city

https://youtu.be/Duuqd0w7_fQ?t=27&si=MoV1jQu47_kwxsSm

[storm crest]

I'm so pleased today

things went well

[red rock]

Same

[storm crest]

I ended up with a bag full of weird international treats to try out

[stuck anchor]

snack around the world?

[red rock]

Euh

Same

[storm crest]

Also the store I got them from would make people think it was AI generated at times if you didn't know the almost 50 langs represented

[storm crest]

chocolate eggs?

[red rock]

No

Salmiak

[storm crest]

wait

[red rock]

I'll wait

@clear ferry

[storm crest]

kind of looks like if you asked old AI to make an image of potato chips

[static schooner]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Norway/s/8hhMCqUIDX

[storm crest]

I wish I could get those 1kg bags of coin licorice

and the softer ones, can't remember the name

[red rock]

I can get them

Not now

[storm crest]

HA international candy trade

these descriptions look like an AI thought they'd taste good

[shell basalt]

mmm chicken meat floss

[red rock]

I just got Finnish candy

[storm crest]

don't finnish it too quickly

or you will get a stomach ache

[red rock]

I know

But the alcohol in my blood is my first problem

[storm crest]

it's anti-freeze

[sage cedar]

CAKE SEASONED WITH CHICKEN MEATFLOSS IS NOT A CANADIAN SAINT!!! OR CONSIDERED HEALTHY HERE!! feeling triggered

[mint summit]

au boeuf

[storm crest]

fruit flavoured

[sage cedar]

And beef

[static schooner]

Had some extra snouts lying around, might as well toss them in

[sage cedar]

It depends on whether or not Health Canada actually approved Cake with Meatfloss or the Canadian Roman Catholic Church actually sainted it. I'm tossed.

No I'm Gen-X, letting them tie you down is so 1960's

[shell basalt]

your mom concurs

[languid portal]

Finally cooked this up with the help of OpenHASP 😮

Cheap af, got it for 6eur on an aliexpress sale lol

[blissful zodiac]

Thanks! Very helpful.

Time to go digging into Google APIs again.

[blissful zodiac]

Google is just, broken.

Nothing works right.

[static schooner]

Good for dental care, too

[weak musk]

What a visual.

[dire cobalt]

Anyone tried MatterLink to setup smart locks with Home Assistant yet?

[young sigil]

The folks in #1284966617670881350 might have.

[kind falcon]

That is great. Going to dig into that too.

[glacial knot]

Neat

[clear ferry]

Now make a black one that is "openshift"

[kind falcon]

Never thought I'd be reading the release notes of my living room light bulb update

[ocean oar]

Well I'm glad I'm not the only weirdo who does actually read them, rather than just stabbing the button

[kind falcon]

When you work in IT you quickly learn that it is much easier to kill things than to fix them 😛

[forest edge]

@tidal bronze Not a good year to be flying. stay home.

[mint summit]

kubernetes on pre-2018 consumer hardware should just be a bullet going through the brain

[clear ferry]

I don't deal with consumer hardware, so that's fine

[primal laurel]

I don't deal with hardware. I'm going back to the stone age

[kind falcon]

Anyone got a good suggestion for a cheap indoor camera?

[clear ferry]

Any $10 camera on AliExpress that has rtsp support

And preferably poe

Also, screw indoor cameras

[deft pewter]

But how else will they get their own local AI to know exactly what's going on in the house at all times?

[clear ferry]

Or film intimate personal situations continuously

[kind falcon]

Lot of assumption here. I have a specific use case. not the need to capture every damn thing that is going on every day.

[clear ferry]

Inside my house is a SafeZone thanks

[kind falcon]

who says it is in the house

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/yikes-gif-dont-answer-the-gif-23614869

[deft pewter]

Intimate? Personal? What do those mean?

[clear ferry]

Nothing to americans

[primal laurel]

They haven't woken up yet

This is our peaceful time

[mint summit]

guys, to avoid headaches, if you are using the proxmox firewall, make sure to allow mDNS traffic (I know, trivial, but can save you time from diagnosing and debugging why all your cast and thread devices disappeared)

[stuck anchor]

there is one nice feature i saw in the tp-link deco router administration - you can tell it which network clients are indoor cameras, and it will take them offline when in "home mode". making sure indoor cameras are available only when people are not supposed to be there at the network level.

if tp-link routers do have backdoors it is of course a genius move to have people identify which nodes are indoor cameras... 😛

[stuck anchor]

from one of the private ipv4 address blocks...

[stuck anchor]

we do need a debate on what privacy actually can mean in a modern world, and how we can enforce it.

[forest edge]

you people have some weird convo's when you think american's aren't around

[stuck anchor]

ssshhhhhh.... go back to sleep now...

[red rock]

Isn't it Americans

[primal laurel]

can't even spell Americans

'dutchie's

[red rock]

:p

[forest edge]

world leaders.. if you say so

[red rock]

What

[primal laurel]

did you go to energy dev room at foss?

[red rock]

No

I'm now heading to FOSDEM tho

[primal laurel]

thats what I meant

[red rock]

Why aren't you here

[primal laurel]

got a paper deadline and my new job starts tomorrow

[red rock]

Oh right

But you can also start your job hungover

[glacial knot]

First day Is a joke either way

[red rock]

You could've met ongy

I can't remember when everyone left yesterday lol

[keen bridge]

I snuck out at 10 because I wasn't feeling too well, but it was a lot of fun before then!

Plus I got stickers

[dawn badge]

main mission achieved

[forest edge]

pocket protector convention?

[mint summit]

do you guys buy your own IPv6 address blocks?

what about IPv4?

[stuck anchor]

for ipv4 most people are forced by their isp to use that one ip they get. at least for consumer grade pricing.

[mint summit]

I've heard of some people buying their own IPv6 blocks for the hell of it

don't know how you would configure it though with stuff like BGP

[silver pulsar]

Hey where should I post regarding my zigbee devices no longer having sensor or action anymore? Using zigbee2mqtt on latest version of all

[keen bridge]

#1284965172053807145

[silver pulsar]

Thank you

[stuck anchor]

just upgraded to 2.x? then read the readme... and other posts in add-ons.

[clear ferry]

Why do they? ISPs give out /56 and dynamic DNS is free

And BGP IPv6 is trivial

For ospf you need to use the right version though

[stuck anchor]

fun fact - back in the eighties bgp was designed as a stop-gap solution to avoid uninet breakdown. it was called the three napkin protocol as it was sketched out on 3 napkins by 2 network engineers, and it was expected to be replaced with a more academically (over)designed solution.

[clear ferry]

It still is such nice wow

And it's the backbone for modern DC design as well as the internet

I love me some proper leaf spine, superspine, border leaf brrrrrrrr

[stuck anchor]

sdn is pretty much based on bgp

[clear ferry]

Yes

I'm currently rolling out cumulus unnumbered with 800G switches

And it is just so simple

[stuck anchor]

our networking people just told me that while working on setting up a new environment they added 200+ vlans to netbox, ran one of my automations, and within minutes they had them all defined as objects on the firewalls as well as definitions for their terraform based sdn configs. yay. first full scale test on a new environment.

[clear ferry]

I just think I discovered my issue getting the 800G and 100G switches linked

I need to switch polarity on the LC end

Fyi, if you need to connect such, you need a OSFP DR4 and do a 4x breakout, with two lanes, then do QSFP DR1 on the other end, with 1x lane

Then a MPO12 -> 4xLC

The one thing I can't fix from 1400km away, need to send a monkey onsite

[mint summit]

isn't it two knapkin protocol?

thats what cisco and wikipedia say

[stuck anchor]

https://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/69048160/the-three-napkins-protocol-quick-fix-for-early-internet-problem-left-web-open-to-attack#:~:text=Such is the story of,that make up the internet.

i remember it from back then as three. even in the context of cisco

[mint summit]

are you a kiwi?

[mint summit]

interesting anyhow

[stuck anchor]

nope... but i worked for the norwegian sun and cisco reseller back in the late eighties and nineties

[mint summit]

damn, was about to say hi from across the pond

[stuck anchor]

and i very much remember the "this is just temporary until a proper protocol is designed"

[mint summit]

there is nothing more permanent than a temporary fix

[stuck anchor]

turns out KISS was more adaptable for the future than a committee designed one

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/adventure-time-now-kiss-finn-gif-5658105

[stuck anchor]

had to learn this on my homelab in order to hook my 100Gb switches to the 10Gb/1Gb ones. 😛
yes, i do have 100Gb switches in my homelab. i know. but i have some servers that won't go as far down as 10Gb, so i needed those switches inbetween. 😄

[mint summit]

obligatory what the fuck

and I thought 10 gig switches were overkill

[stuck anchor]

my employer offered to borrow surplus servers (and switches) for homelabs. so i have 2 of those servers in my rack

a project that is scaling down and using servers that we cannot reuse

or rather don't want to reuse, as they don't fit with any of our standards

[clear ferry]

10g was pretty cool in 2006

I haven't deployed anything sub 100g for interlinks since 2018

And 40g since 2012

[stuck anchor]

we do need a lot of bandwidth, but for us latency is even more important. stable latency

[clear ferry]

Yeah, latency go brrrrrr on spectrum and infiniband

And slingshot for that matter

Or omnipath

[stuck anchor]

so even if we have 4 redundant links, we only run on one at a time. because it gives us more predictable latency than load balancing.

[clear ferry]

Meanwhile infiniband go, please give us as many uplinks as downlinks so the latency is predictable

[languid portal]

Look for cheap yellow display esp32... they can be gotten for 6 to 15 $ depending how charitable aliexpress is 😄

[forest edge]

isn't 400G the fastest currently? does this mean you are falling behind?

[clear ferry]

Since I'm currently deploying 800, no

Also your definition of sub might be inconsistent with the webster

Should I say I'm only deploying dom 100G ? Help me out @last cedar

[forest edge]

800? when that come out?

so you could play pretend you have internet faster than dialup?

[crisp oriole]

Some 90ties routers would agree

[clear ferry]

Over a year ago

[clear ferry]

Hey hey, don't shame the Americans for having a close to double digit of dial up still

[clear ferry]

https://nvidianews.nvidia.com/news/networking-switches-gpu-computing-ai

I had 40g switches from 2015-2019, then I retired them

Now I have 1g for all

Albeit I have 10g links between my lab system and production system directly connected

Eh, I might upgrade to 10g fiber soon, then I might consider replacing uplinks to my distribution switches

[last cedar]

You are definately 100G% dom

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-daddy-daddy-daddy-af-chew-gif-14733103

[stuck anchor]

i kind of started at the wrong end... upgrading to 2.5Gb at the user end of the house and not at the server end. 😄 so even if i have 2 servers that each have 2x25Gb the rest of them are on 1Gb. I just found those chinese switches that got me curious at a good price on aliexpress.

they are managed through a web interface, but i find no mention of any api for automation. i will just have to poke them a little i guess

[last cedar]

Still using a token ring network here, works fine for me

[stuck anchor]

i had cards and cabling for apollo token ring once. came with a stack of apollo/hp servers i used as home lab servers way back. but i used them with ethernet instead.

[clear ferry]

These American home phone boxes just boggle me

https://www.reddit.com/r/HomeNetworking/s/PiaEI2HHs1

[clear ferry]

Fun fact, I'm probably the only guy left in HPE Norway who could tell you anything about Apollo computers 😤

[stuck anchor]

back when i ran arm based desktop. and arm still stood for Acorn RISC Machine

[clear ferry]

And I've never even worked with them

[kind falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/shades-on-muringa-twocolors-follow-you-looking-cool-gif-14119413928006074327

[clear ferry]

I have fixed servers from 1993, the last one was in 2018

And I was born in 1984

[kind falcon]

That whole subreddit is one big dumpsterfire. My god.

[stuck anchor]

have you heard about the error message in domain os saying
Error 220009: unit will not fit thru 25″ hatch (OS/magtape manager)

apollo bid on a contract to supply equipment for use on submarines and lost the contract when they couldn't get the tape drive in through the hatch. and someone put that error message in the kernel...

[clear ferry]

Lol

They look like industrial phone centrals from the 80s, so I'm not sure why people still have them in their houses

This is the biggest phone related item I've had in my house, and that was 1994

[deft pewter]

Do you mean they got as far as manufacturing the thing and trying to get it onboard before they realised?

[stuck anchor]

isdn - those were the times

[stuck anchor]

i guess it was based on their standard equipment. apollo used to be a quite big computer company

[clear ferry]

We only had isdn for 3 years, because we got docsis in 1998 already

[stuck anchor]

imagine being on the internet and talking on your phone simultaneously!

[clear ferry]

Blasphemy

I just connected via 128k

[kind falcon]

Had a customer with a T3 line back in the days. It was CRAZY expensive. And very impressive for those days.

[clear ferry]

What year is that?

[kind falcon]

Must have been late 90's I guess. Not quite sure. could have been later

Think they switched to something called copper ethernet.

Also something that never reached consumer markets

Also very expensive but my god was it fast for those days

[stuck anchor]

i am actually old enough that i have installed transceivers on thick ethernet. that was fun...

[kind falcon]

coworker of mine did that too, showed me pictures. Massive stuf

[stuck anchor]

i gave my toolkit and the transceivers i still had to a technical museum

[kind falcon]

I was born a couple decades too late for the real money in IT. The pay was serious back then.

[clear ferry]

I've never seen a T/E line irl, first high speed internet connection I touched was SDSL in 1999 or something, but docsis was years before that already, and for universities they had optical connections throughout the country in the early 90s

[clear ferry]

I hosted LAN parties on 10base2/5

[stuck anchor]

troubleshooting thin coax - that is a nightmare

[kind falcon]

I worked for an ISP, did lotta docsis support. Glad this is behind us

[clear ferry]

Yeah, I've had FTTH since 2004

[stuck anchor]

Gb fiber to the world. 🙂

[kind falcon]

Fun thing. We had customers that ran 'hacked' firmware since the speed was limited by the firmware in a certain line of modems. The ISP knew but they already had contracts for less and higher speed so they let them.

Clever people ripped themselves off. Good fun.

[stuck anchor]

back in the dialup day i was a criminal. i endangered the experience for everyone else according to the national telecom operator. i had bought a modem from china and was running at 2400 baud. max allowed speed back then was 1200/75, and you had to buy your modem from them

luckily i never got caught

[solar zealot]

Oh they would have put you into prison, you wouldn't even know about the speeds of today

Cmiminls and them downloading a car of the interwebs!

[stuck anchor]

today you probably can download cars from the interwebs. legally.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-source_car

[deft pewter]

I hear some places even get speeds as fast as 10Mbps these days.

[stuck anchor]

the human brain isn't designed to surf at such speeds. it needs to see the pictures loading.

[clear ferry]

Loading loading loading

Oh no, a dick

3 minutes of my life lost

The life of a 9 year old online

[stuck anchor]

a former colleague was one of the very first to grow up with internet in his home. or so he claimed. not entirely true. his dad was in the army and one of the first to have a arpanet terminal at home

[wide dagger]

dashboard badges -- is it possible to make a badge display only if the user is away? so if i'm home but player 2 is away, they would see the badge on their dashboard but i wouldn't see it on mine.

[clear ferry]

That just sounds like a conditional card

I haven't used badges in 6 years probably

[deft pewter]

It just sounds like a ||#1284965988642590891 question||

[clear ferry]

[stuck anchor]

one thing i kind of miss from the uninet days - if a company that had been allowed to connect to uninet sent just one unsolicited email pushing a product they would just get disconnected 😄 you were only allowed to answer when the universities sent you a question.

imagine how much that must have hurt for the sales divisions

[lone dagger]

I upgraded my chore notifications. 😄

[stuck anchor]

i think this is the first time i have upgraded z2m without any of the lights randomly going dark 😮

[kind falcon]

Zibee2MQTT with an SLZB has been rock solid so far. Quite impressed by that setup.

[lone dagger]

Oh man, the affirmation messages after completing something really does improve this whole flow significantly.

[primal laurel]

ZHA user for many years here, never had that happen 😄

[kind falcon]

ZHA worked great for me but I really got annoyed when encountering dev #10 that wasnt supported

[deft pewter]

z2m user for many years... there's more than one version?!

[kind falcon]

I also appreciate that Z2M does not require HA to work. Makes for something really solid and simple.

[deft pewter]

Decoupling is the best

[primal laurel]

unless your mqqt broker has issues...

or just about anything with mqtt

nightmare protocol

[stuck anchor]

one of the lamps that often turned off is one with 3 smart bulbs very close to each other so I have thought it may be some interference problem when z2m comes up and maybe chats with all the routers? the only way to keep those 3 bulbs synchronized is to set them up as a zigbee group.

[deft pewter]

MQTT is fantastic

[kind falcon]

Sometimes I feel like HA wants to do everything and dont get me wrong it does an impressive job but with complexity comes problems.

[kind falcon]

That is true. it is always a trade off situation.

[primal laurel]

you'll have to pay me to bring back MQTT, screw that

[deft pewter]

Of all the things that get complained about in here, MQTT has gotta be near the bottom. Whatever was wrong with your setup, it doesn't haunt the rest of us.

pub/sub systems are great for this kind of work.

[steady lodge]

Oh are we doing the ZHA vs Z2M thing

ZHA for life, come at me

[stuck anchor]

mosquitto is in use for way more intense scenarios than zigbee, so it should definitely not have any trouble handling a little ha traffic.

[primal laurel]

MQTT is a shit protocol. It's not even really a protocol, it leaves everything except the pub sub mechanic open to interpretation

I hate it more because of my work than using it for home assistant

[deft pewter]

lol? That's the whole point of a pub/sub protocol. It's not up to MQTT to define what you can/can't send, only where to pub or sub.

[primal laurel]

yes, so everyone comes up with their own data containers, and its one big mess

[deft pewter]

It's a message broker. Who gives a crap?

The applications that pub/sub should be the ones to define a shared data contract. That's basic distributed messaging 101.

[terse stag]

I must be getting old

I worried changing my IoT devices' IP addresses and firewall rules would mess up their functionality in Home Assistant

but they all show up and work like a dream

[glacial knot]

Don't be mean. Some people don't understand layered communication

[terse stag]

thanks, the future is now 🥹

[primal laurel]

and some people do, thats why they dont use MQTT

[deft pewter]

You're contradicting yourself. You're misusing the layers if you feel that MQTT should manage more than just the envelopes. It's not the business of a message broker to care about the payloads.

[primal laurel]

I dont want to use a message broker, that's the point

[reef patio]

my god....what am I getting myself into?! I'm reading your comments as I'm installing HASOS and already scared... lol

[deft pewter]

Then that's the issue, not MQTT itself.

[peak slate]

I use irc as my message broker

[glacial knot]

IP is shit, it doesn't put requirements on its content D:

[deft pewter]

Don't be scared. HA is pretty accessible.

[reef patio]

I'll probably need a lot of help! 😄

[peak slate]

The rabbit hole goes real deep but you don't have to go down it to use ha effectively

[reef patio]

That makes me feel better.

[peak slate]

I make use of a decent amount of mqtt like they're talking about above and it's mostly set it and forget it

I don't go into the details in it

[primal laurel]

my point is mqtt is used as an application layer protocol, when it's really not. When I update a value, I just want to do an update to a specific register. But you can't do that with mqtt, no you need to come up with some kind of messed up JSON structure that is constructed on the send side and interpreted on the receiver side. And even better, every single new application you can come up with can make their own decisions on how this is handled. It's a fucking mess

[terse stag]

you stand on the shoulders of users who made elaborate YAML configurations, and the devs who said "break free from the chains of text editors and embrace UI"

[hoary iris]

okay I'm clueless about this and I've only heard rumors

but I've heard that HA has a "Home Assistant" like Alexa that you can plug and play or train yourself?

i.e., local network Alexa

[terse stag]

@hoary iris https://www.home-assistant.io/voice_control/

[hoary iris]

ily

bookmarked, just occurred to me as I was walking and wanted some confirmation I'm not hallucinating

[deft pewter]

All you're doing right now is telling is that you don't like message brokers. That's not a flaw of MQTT.

It would be no different if you used RabbitMQ, SNS, whatever.

And it's okay that you don't like message brokers. No-one's trying to force you. Just stop blaming MQTT.

[terse stag]

🫂 also this idea is hilarious and I want to try it yesterday: analog phone voice control https://www.home-assistant.io/voice_control/worlds-most-private-voice-assistant/

[hoary iris]

I'll look at it

keep in mind I'm an utter beginner with HA

the main reason why I'm even interested is because I rooted my lil robot vacuum to be cloud free and it's MQTT compatible, so might as well :D

[primal laurel]

I dont like how open MQTT is. And I'm not a fan of having to use a message broker. Two separate things

[hoary iris]

this is fantastic

[deft pewter]

Are there message brokers that define the structure of payloads?

(I'd like to know which ones to avoid, since that sounds shitty)

[glacial knot]

dbus 😂
And not even that if we are honest

[primal laurel]

lets just do without a message broker

[deft pewter]

Yeah, let's have no decoupling or distribution in any apps ever.

Monoliths ftw!

[primal laurel]

not sure how that's relevant?

[deft pewter]

How are you sending signals from Application A to Application B while enforcing a document schema in transit?

[terse stag]

what if (now hear me out)
we take full control over our message brokers with neuralink
no message will be sent without the full consent of our mind

[primal laurel]

you don't. You just need some kind of description of what a resource is, and how it can be updated. CoAP, lwM2M or protobuf has that for example, MQTT is do whatever the fuck you want 😄

[deft pewter]

You just need some kind of description of what a resource is, and how it can be updated.
So... the applications define the schemas.

Do you avoid HTTP too, since it lets you send anything you want?

[kind falcon]

Constraints are good. Otherwise users will do everything stupid under the sun.

I work with Ansible a lot and my main problem with it is the lack of rules

You have to invent your own set of constraints and it is too easy to cheat, creating an unmanagable mess.

[terse stag]

can confirm, I do stupid things and they sometimes work

[deft pewter]

Constraints are great. But you can't always constrain things over the air. You validate the input when you receive it.

[stuck anchor]

the thing is - you want to be able to pick the constraints that fit your task. not those some designer hardcoded decades ago

[kind falcon]

That is reasonable. HTTP has those problems too.

Lot of them

[stuck anchor]

and that makes mqtt great. put your own library on top that enforces your constraints

[terse stag]

anyone here use a lot of bluetooth 5.0/5.3 devices in their HA? good range or no?

[kind falcon]

at my previous job I worked quite a bit with Rabbit. MQTT allows you to do things that are incredibly hard on anything else.

[deft pewter]

But it's not a problem to be able to send anything. You want that flexibility. Imagine if the designers of HTTP had given rigid designs for payloads and you couldn't bend them.

[deft pewter]

The range is going to depend on many factors. But you can use those fancy BT proxy things with HA. I haven't touched them but the docs will explain what they can do and how to set them up.

[terse stag]

makes sense as w/ all things wireless -- nice to know there are effectively routers/repeaters though

[kind falcon]

Not completely disagreeing with you, it is a fair point.

[rich gorge]

Does anyone have any handy way to show if a person has been in the same zone uninterrupted for more than x hours?

I want to display a card on a dashboard if this statement is true.

[static schooner]

A state trigger in automation or template binary_sensor. But neither belongs here

[weak musk]

You should be able to do this with either a mmWave sensor or BLE + what Rob suggested.

[kind falcon]

Another way would be detecting bluetooth from a phone but there are too many uncertainties. Can be hacked together for pocket change though.

[weak musk]

-# BLE

[terse stag]

I am all about automations for cosplaying as sloths

[kind falcon]

Sorry I missed that part 🙂

I had a script on my phone that would unlock my laptop whenever the bluetooth strength from my phone was above 95%

[weak musk]

I think that is baked into Windows now

[kind falcon]

Yea might be. Not sure have not used windows in 10 years 😛

[weak musk]

I am jealous

[terse stag]

windows subsystem for linux, putty and winscp ease some of the pain of using windows

[kind falcon]

Was an admin managing racks of windows boxes, the horror.

Had to setup a windows VM for a coworker some time ago. Had to unplug the NIC to create a local non cloud account after install.

I remembered why I don't want to have anything to do with it

[lone dagger]

Sysadmins are highly underappreciated.

They get to take care of the worst things because "it works" and no one wants to upgrade.

"That's money." BUT SO IS LOSING DATA DUE TO POOR SECURITY

[kind falcon]

You'll get to flak after if fails as you predicted for years.

[lone dagger]

A lot of my friends are sysadmins, I see their pain daily.

[kind falcon]

I still have Exchange server nightmares

[weak musk]

https://tenor.com/view/schitts-creek-david-gif-23598750

[kind falcon]

Why can I not have a mailbox on this rusty box of 200GB and also why is it so slow

[lone dagger]

The hardest of passes.

[kind falcon]

I manage only linux and some BSD now. Life is much better.

[reef patio]

Hi, folks. I ran UBUNTU on my USB stick, downloaded the HASOS image, wrote it to my disk (now shows a number of 'HAAS' partitions). However, when I tell the computer to load from HDD, it just flashes a cursor....not sure what that docu was saying about UEFI...I followed the instructions; not sure why it's not loading...?

[weak musk]

#1284966540617449515 should be able to help you

[reef patio]

thanks!

[kind falcon]

For the record, since I am new here, are we allowed to support users here or is that off limits?

[silent dove]

The topic of this channel is:

There’s no support here - only chill. Come in, grab a drink, chat with your fellow community members! This is a space to talk to other smart home enthusiasts. If you’re looking for support and unsure where to go, check out https://discord.com/channels/330944238910963714/1284968640189304913 - it should help you find where you are going. No politics, religion, or any other obviously contentious topics! Please ensure you've read the Code of Conduct (https://www.home-assistant.io/code_of_conduct/), and #rules.

[weak musk]

quick questions usually skate through (as in the answer is "yes" or "no") anything beyond that should be redirected to the proper space.

[kind falcon]

Thanks

I came her for a problem I have and stayed for the casual conversation. Problem remains though.

[ocean oar]

Lol, as is tradition

[kind falcon]

As often the case with 'smart' devices they are doing too much magic. magic fails and everything fails. Incredibly hard to troubleshoot since it usually just works, or so they claim.

Have these denon devices that automagically elect a master but once you pull one out this master state is not being reset. Confusing as hell. Now my integration is pissed too since there is no longer a leader. took me quite a while to even figure out that much.

As you might have guessed this is not mentioned in the documentation. Of course it isnt

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-fry-professor-farnsworth-leela-gif-5892295

[terse stag]

I love denon hardware, but their software feels like it was coded in the ‘90s

[ocean oar]

Home Assistant integration when?
https://www.yankodesign.com/2025/02/02/this-e-ink-guitar-lets-you-change-its-design-anytime-no-paint-required/

[kind falcon]

Yea this Amp I got is just one piece of craftsmanship

[terse stag]

I want to install rainmeter on an e-ink guitar

[weak musk]

^^ that should be pinned

[terse stag]

every gauge must go to 11 though, as is tradition

[ocean oar]

But why don't you make 10 louder and make that the top?

[desert cave]

At previous job I had about 500 windows server vms (running on hyperv servers and using storage spaces direct) all with direct public IPs 🙃 it took me about six months to recover from the burnout

[clear ferry]

Thankfully I hardly see windows servers anymore

Nor do I have to manage them

[weak musk]

that was all we used at my last job (in Azure)

[clear ferry]

Ho ho, hard pass

[desert cave]

Yah, never again

[weak musk]

I didn't say I enjoyed it!

[clear ferry]

No kink shame

[weak musk]

I guess that is #rules 2

[terse stag]

can I name my e-ink guitar purple rainmeter?

[weak musk]

https://tenor.com/view/theres-nothing-you-cannot-do-josh2funny-you-can-do-it-trust-yourself-youre-capable-of-doing-gif-19886451

[clear ferry]

I promise I won't induce epilepsy for you

[kind falcon]

rainmeter < conky

[kind falcon]

Haha I feel you.

Though the public IP thing is not all that bad. NAT is overated and should die ASAP

[clear ferry]

I have seen about a dozen customers who run hyper v, out of the 200+ new customers I see every year, and at least half of those didn't run hyper v by choice

[desert cave]

I was at the point SSD would have a failure and I knew more about how it worked than the ms techs

[kind falcon]

The whole private IP range thing was a mistake. People using it on ipv6 too. Pure insanity.

[clear ferry]

You kids and your ipv6

I've been doing IPv6 for 25 years now, I almost understand it all

[kind falcon]

You grandpas and your NAT horrors

monstrosity pur sang

[desert cave]

Less about nat and more that the systems were directly exposed and hosting services on the public Internet. No separate firewalls or such

[clear ferry]

Psssh, I used to have 8 public ips from 1998-2015 at home

Now I only have 2 ipv4 and a /56

[kind falcon]

NAT was abused to serve as a crappy firewall solution

The industry went with it knowing it was all wrong

[terse stag]

buying an indoor air quality monitor may be the worst present to myself I’ve purchased

[clear ferry]

Finally recording all your farts

[desert cave]

Lol

[kind falcon]

😛

[terse stag]

Only if I light them first

[kind falcon]

No sulfide detection?

[ocean oar]

If they weren't so expensive, I've joked about getting what I refer to as the "piss 'n shit" sensor. They make ones specifically for bathrooms, just H2S and NH4 sensors.

[kind falcon]

Someone knows his basic chemistry 😛

[terse stag]

why not just get a vacuum hose like an astronaut to cut down on the spray

[ocean oar]

https://www.milesight.com/iot/product/lorawan-sensor/gs301
I think the target market is more things like shopping malls, but don't let your dreams be dreams (or something), right?

[kind falcon]

I should get something like that for my lab

[terse stag]

google, how do I become a walking chemical weapon?

[ocean oar]

Two pints and a curry?

[kind falcon]

Speaking of which why isnt LORA more of a thing in HA

LORA is great and very low power

Range is crazy too

[ocean oar]

I've found it to be pretty great

[terse stag]

basically buying an airgradient tells me “your appliances create too much co2 and you should feel bad, and also open a window when it’s freezing out”

[kind falcon]

Mine does 50m3/h and recovers 95%+ of the heat

They come with zigbee too

[terse stag]

nice, make/model name?

[kind falcon]

the device I have goes under a few names depending on the country. Of of them is eco pair.

Cant remember the brand I have right now

Prices differ greatly though. Some shops just ask insane prices

Helps a lot with the moisture control too. Was quite a bit of work, especially drilling this huge hole through the side wall 😛

[terse stag]

I can imagine; did you connect it directly to a power main or does it plug into an outlet?

[kind falcon]

It is directly connected to the mains. I just hate the idea of having a stupid cable/plug on the wall. Especially that high.

And since these things have a very low power consumption I am not really too worried about it.

In fact I think it is something like 8 watts or so on low mode. Thinking of putting a relais behind it. Then I can automate it by having an air quality sensor trigger. Much like the dehumidifier in my basement.

[forest edge]

oh? through what isp?

[deft pewter]

ISPs don't usually do internal networking...

[clear ferry]

But they do deliver 10g

[forest edge]

so they have both 2g and 10g internal networking? is that how you read that?

[clear ferry]

I read it as a 2g wan connection and a 10g lan

[forest edge]

I think some coax isp's may be offering 2G/2.5G for buisness in rural areas.. that may be possible

[desert cave]

lmao wow.. a friend of mine is poking at getting an old 3 phase UPS unit going.. the original owners took out one of the two cooling fans, and just soldered the wires to the other fan directly to the fan pins

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1127369270611939470/1335694812334264370/IMG_20250202_195020.jpg?ex=67a11a3b&is=679fc8bb&hm=15b097a6a19714b41e221e14cfa190ee36d350bb151aff9871171d3a012e9faa&

[forest edge]

redneck ingenuity

[clear ferry]

I've seen a couple of dozen users on other discords in the us having 2g wan, so seems common over the pond

Here it's 1 then 10 usually

[forest edge]

yea. they live over 70 miles from the states second biggest city and his town is less than 3.5mi at it's widest point.. not comparable lol

I could maybe see coax 1g, 2g for business as I stated but if they said fiber i would really want to know the isp lol

[clear ferry]

_laughs in mostly all coverage being fiber _

[forest edge]

Norway is only slightly larger than one of our states.. you cannot laugh lol

if the US wasn't so damn big, we would have flying cars by now

[storm crest]

is there a way to reload a particular integration so it detects the correct IPs for new devices to add

it's showing a whole list of devices to add but I know those ip addresses are no longer valid

just restarts HA

[lone dagger]

My ollama instance is fucking drunk. I asked it for 7 more things, and it gave me 9. Then I asked it for 7 more things in another convo and it gave me 8 things.

[forest edge]

because 7 is secretly bad luck and it knows it

[lone dagger]

gave 3 answers at first
ask for 7 more
"Here are seven more options:"
gives more options that number to 11

Dumb probability scorer. You drunk, go home. 🤣

[red rock]

Even i can count when drunk

[stuck anchor]

i used BlueProximity on linux for that, but it seems to be abandonware now. I never used it to unlock, only to immediately lock my desktop when i left my desk

[lone dagger]

I will test you on this.

[weak musk]

Perfect time for PRs

[stuck anchor]

at least the biggest isp in norway (telenor) has now closed down all copper. it's all fiber or wireless now.

[red rock]

https://github.com/home-assistant/core/pull/136902#pullrequestreview-2587886776

So about last weekend

[clear ferry]

Has been for years afaik, they stopped repairing broken copper lines in 2017

Stopped selling them in 2009 afaik

[stuck anchor]

the last copper customer was disconnected last year

[clear ferry]

Yes, disconnected

But if your line broke since 2017, you were told to order fiber

They wouldn't fix existing

[stuck anchor]

but now they are not allowed to start removing the copper lines for a while because politicians somehow think it will be possible to roll back to copper if this fiber thing doesn't work out. or something.

[clear ferry]

Lol

Yeah, the thing that has been default since 2004 probably won't work out

Just like the internet

[stuck anchor]

right

[clear ferry]

Let's just bring back dialup too

No wait, we aren't the us

[stuck anchor]

and try connecting that copper into the modern infrastructure.

[clear ferry]

[deft pewter]

The internet is just a fad

(from the Daily Fail)

[forest edge]

I mean movies always make old phones lines surviving global catastrophes

[steady lodge]

There's a lot of FUD about Tuya devices from AliExpress on Reddit, but so far I've had nothing but good experiences with them

[storm crest]

First light fixture and all 5 lights integrated

[mild canopy]

my tuya based temp/humidity/light sensor keeps freezing.

[storm crest]

Just gotta get solid extenders to replace the chain part

to keep it nice and clean

[stuck anchor]

mechanical quality can be a bit up and down... but my tuja devices gave not been as bad as my sonoff ones.

[steady lodge]

I just got a temp/humidity sensor, one that takes 2x AAA batteries. So far so, good. Meanwhile, my IKEA door sensor keeps going offline.

[clear ferry]

Tuya Zigbee, i have no issues, tuya wifi that is flushable, I have no issues, tuya proprietary stuff, goes straight into the bin

[storm crest]

I've been OK with Wiz lights

[mild canopy]

i've made the mistake of buying IKEA PIR sensor. since it's run from 2032 cell the reaction time is so long i can leave the room before it triggers

[forest edge]

flushable huh

https://tenor.com/view/flush-toilet-press-gif-13733395

[coarse horizon]

I've bought a bunch of Tuya Zigbee buttons and sensors. Almost everything has worked well.

[steady lodge]

The vallhorn?

[clear ferry]

Aqara motion sensors are goat

[steady lodge]

I have a bunch of the IKEA vallhorn motion sensors, they're OK. They aren't particularly quick, but if you position them in a way where you are walking towards them they work OK for automated lights and stuff.

[coarse horizon]

I have a few, those things are amazing. It's kind of scary how close to instant they are lol.

[stuck anchor]

i have been thinking about getting some aqaras with aa or aaa batteries for the laundry room and such

[storm crest]

There should be an interior design channel because I don't want to join yet another server just for that lol

[forest edge]

ehhh the only pairing to the cordinator is not so great.. hope the newer ones don't do that

[steady lodge]

Actually that's something I've had issues with across most brands, some devices won't pair directly with the co-ordinator, but pair fine via a router

[forest edge]

welcome to zigbee?

[steady lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-oh-yeah-wink-nodding-kermit-the-frog-gif-16789780

[clear ferry]

That is not true, they pair to whatever respond first, then just don't change parents

Which doesn't matter in a proper setup

[forest edge]

not my door/motion sensors. they would not pair to anything other than the cordinator

[coarse horizon]

I'll be happy to go swap my cheap zigbee sensors back to Yolink once they finally release their local hub finally releases.

[clear ferry]

I only have routers paired to my coordinator

All sensors go via routers

[coarse horizon]

No worrying about having to create a good mesh. They just work.

[forest edge]

I had to do that bs where I would move them close to the cordinator, pair them, then move them where they would go lol

[clear ferry]

And all my routers are always powered

No light or outlet is ever powered off

[forest edge]

do they make battery powered routers?

[clear ferry]

No

They exist, but no thanks

I've seen two

[weak musk]

tons of people like wiz. They're pretty nice (same makers as Hue).

[clear ferry]

Aren't they a child company?

I have two wiz, they are fine, but not great

Then again, hue is shit

[weak musk]

lol ok atx

[stuck anchor]

i have my old sonoff zigbee stick that i have been thinking about flashing with router firmware and set it up in a kitchen cabinet to get as close as possible to the garden on the back side of the house and the mailbox. just power it with some old usb charger. should work, right?

[weak musk]

hue is the best zigbee bulb that exists

[clear ferry]

I've had 6 hue bulbs, two have died, I've had 80 trådfri bulbs, none have died

Also, their shapes are ridiculous, not useful in transparent fittings

[clear ferry]

I just put trådfri bulbs on the outside of my house, had 25m range to my mailbox, and stole my neighbors Zigbee led strip

(I happened to have pairing on when she installed them in her kitchen)

[stuck anchor]

the front side is covered by the only outdoor lamp i have.

i have some soil sensors out back that could need a better coverage

[forest edge]

your neighbors are too close

I need to remember to swap out my 2 AAA in my mailbox sensor for lithium before next winter. my notification condition to stop the automation if under a certian degree just isn't going to fly anymore

[mild canopy]

anyone playing with home-brew DIY zigbee stuff?

i have a problem with cleaning up after examples I connected

right now my RGB light bulb has pressure and flow data in Z2M device state

😅

[weak musk]

try #the-workshop or #1284966617670881350

[mild canopy]

ok 🙂

[mild canopy]

the issue seems to have solved itself. there's rarely anything a reboot can't solve lol

i'm playing around with all the different examples and there is a common pattern in all of them.

each of the examples does Zigbee.addEndpoint(<&zbSomeName>)

[odd aurora]

man not having remote access anymore just sucks

[mild canopy]

but i just realized I have no idea what are valid endpoint names 😅

i plan on creating a voltage and current endpoints, but can't seem to find any list of already supported endpoints.

[terse stag]

rechargeable lithium AAAs and AAs have helped me when NiMH wasn’t ideal; certain devices are really picky about voltage

[sterile hornet]

Does anyone know if it's possible to keep the existing data on a markdown card and just add a new line with new data?

[iron granite]

#1284965988642590891 knows

[lone dagger]

Mhmm. The e-paper displays are way more complicated than I expected, but also I found a few good tutorials that I think will help me. Yet again, @timid garnet has a very helpful video, except I don’t have the same brand as his example so I think I have to cobble things together.

At least I finished my notification automations today. The longest part of that was getting my ollama instance give me consistent message styles. Sometimes it’d do some short messages others it’d be perfect for. Coaching it into consistency was annoying.

[weak musk]

The ones from the video that (I think you) posted this weekend look super promising. And the company looks super chill too. Think that’ll be the route I go if I ever end up implementing these.

[lone dagger]

Yeah the current biggest problem I’ve already discovered is that every tutorial is device and project specific. Doing what I want to do may take time as I learn how to customize the code I find.

[storm crest]

How are you doing Missy

[lone dagger]

I’m doing fairly decent. Helps that I knocked out a couple of big things I wanted to do with HA.

[queen galleon]

Now for water and electricity
Dont think either i will be able to get them via an rtl-sdr

[dusky plank]

#the-water-cooler message

I did this e paper thing 2 years ago 🙂 still is one of the better gadgets

[old acorn]

How kewl is this stuff?? 🙂

now that it works that is..

[dusky plank]

My tip for anyone doing the same:
order multiple displays. Your friends will want them bad when they see it

[weak musk]

What was your final form factor for it?

[dusky plank]

ikea has a picture frame which almost fits perfect

i put them in there

[weak musk]

Sounds great! Thanks for replying

[clear ferry]

That's pretty strange, my mailbox sensor runs on cr2016, in -30c winter

[old acorn]

That's a battery to buy agin

How long do they last at those temps?

[last cedar]

Details @dusky plank !!!

[forest edge]

if you are in the US it's not likely you'll be able to pull either water or elec through and sdr, BUT many utility companies have some kind of api that people in the community have made integration for pulling data from. Not perfect but it's not zip either

[forest edge]

welcome to third reality tilt sensor

I prefer AAA tho, last longer and easier to get

[last cedar]

The cr2032 I had in my aqara temp sensor in the freezer died very quickly, what brand of 2016 is it?

Talking 3 weeks for an ikea 2032 in the freezer, I janked it with a pair of wires and a aaa battery holder

[forest edge]

I always found it dumb that people put stuff with batteries in the freezer

[last cedar]

What about raccoons?

[forest edge]

putting racoons in the freezer is ok with me

[last cedar]

I have aa in the hue outdoor motion sensor that are original from 2021, absolute troopers

[last cedar]

You monster haha

[old acorn]

You can make a frozen racoon meow when you push it through a bandsaw 😛

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/wile-e-coyote-evil-laugh-wabbit-looney-tunes-new-looney-tunes-gif-3260556302598486755

[last cedar]

Don't want to know how you found that out

[old acorn]

Haha, that's old as the hills, just like the sound of a butcher cutting meat with a bandsaw

Are you maximally automated Michelle?

I'm a noob, but I have 10 devices now and *most of the bugs out so far 🙂

[forest edge]

how the hell did the megan movie warrant a sequel

[old acorn]

who's Megan, Markle?

[forest edge]

https://youtu.be/DTAYuj8K7YE?si=DtULgfnlPkXKOyaf

[old acorn]

Ah, now I sees..

[clear ferry]

1.5-2 years

[old acorn]

They're good batteries then

[clear ferry]

cheapest I could get at kjell and co

[old acorn]

-30 is seriously cold

[forest edge]

16k tv..

[clear ferry]

usually only lasts a few weeks, but it isn't even close to record levels

[old acorn]

the other way here, saw 50c out in the front room once

only once, but regularly mid 40s

although a bit cooler this year

-5 is about it in winter, way short of -30 🙂

[clear ferry]

ironically, moving north winter is milder

but longer

roughly 7 months of winter

[old acorn]

Sun would be lower in the sky, passes directly overhead here in summer

[clear ferry]

we have 1.5 months of no sun in winter, and 1.5 months of 24h of sun in summer

😄

[old acorn]

6 weeks of night would take some adjusting to

how far to the mailbox?

do you use LoRa devices?

mine is `100m so thought I would investigate them

[clear ferry]

25m

I played around with LoRA and got about 80m in unfair conditions (inside a Audi A8L with double glazed windows and shielding that interrupts radio, and the reciever inside a house)

in good conditions you'll do closer to 10km

there was also tress and terrain in the way of the car

[old acorn]

sounds perfect

early days here though, ironing the bugs outta the setup yet

[clear ferry]

I recently moved houses, so I deleted 6 years of automations and started over 😄

still getting stuff setup

[old acorn]

I got running a couple of days ago, only some light automations as yet

and some temp/hum sensors and a couple of presence sensors sending errors

they seem to work ok, still tuning them a bit but they seem to send too many parameters to HA and errors