the-water-cooler

[midnight adder]

And thank you 🙂

[unborn merlin]

wavelengths* specifically.. yeah.

and they just have to keep.. upgrading the end ports

and of course, threaten murder on anyone who goes near where the fiber is buried with any sort of digging implement..

[mild canopy]

color, wavelenght, same thing. didn't want to go to much into technical language. tho now that i think about it, i might as well have, judging by where we speak.

[unborn merlin]

would not be surprised if there were people here who had their own FTTH setup themselves. 🙃

[mild canopy]

a bunch of nerds would surely know what a wavelength is 😅

[ocean oar]

Basically everyone uses "color" as shorthand... aside from that humans can't see infrared I wouldn't call it inaccurate exactly

[midnight adder]

I know what one is but to understand it in depth I absolutely don’t lol

[ocean oar]

I mean both "colour" and "wavelength" are two syllables so I'm not sure how much time it's saving anyway

[mild canopy]

fair enough

[mild canopy]

it wasn't suppose to be time saver. i was just in plain language mode back then.

[midnight adder]

To me colour and wavelength are different a wavelength is how you measure if iam right?

[mild canopy]

but that still doesn't answers the question when does the "after sunset" ends 🤣

[midnight adder]

I don’t know your answer 🙂 can you not put an hour

Then it’s an hour after

[mild canopy]

someone mentioned "tests" is there some GUI i can use to test for things?

other than trying to run the automation to see if it works?

[lone dagger]

I think
-# and I am probably wrong
it's roughly an hour after sunset.

But it's more based on the angle of the sun rather than time.

[ocean oar]

Technically, I would say at solar midnight (most negative elevation); once the sun is "rising" (elevation trending toward zero) it becomes "before sunrise"

[lone dagger]

So it's a little inaccurate for those too far north or south.

-# but also I am just spewing shit I see people talk about.

-# I am not to be fully trusted.

[mild canopy]

yea, that's the problem. I also thought it's till sunrise, but later noticed my "came back home" automation did not fire and i was standing there in the dark, trying to figure out why XD

[deft pewter]

Use elevation for this stuff.

[lone dagger]

I have my night/day light automations trigger around the lux levels rather than the sunrise/sunset stuff

[deft pewter]

Elevation < a few degrees = it's probably dark out.

[ocean oar]

I use the sun elevation for a couple of things; have infrared floodlights to help the security cameras which go on at -3 degrees elevation (experimentally detemined to be "dark enough")

[deft pewter]

Lux is nice if you have sensors. Elevation works with no additional hardware,.

[ocean oar]

And the path lights from the garage to the house go on automatically if the elevation is below +3 degrees when the garage door opens

[deft pewter]

Dark is dark

[mild canopy]

my light sensor sucks. it keeps reseting and freezes a lot. also i don't want to rely on ilumination cause outside of my flat has lights

[lone dagger]

Only once has it been too dark during the day to not trigger properly after 3pm lol.

[midnight adder]

Would it be better to put a zigabee sensor on the door?

[lone dagger]

I am "borrowing" some weather device data that tracks lux.

[mild canopy]

no, because this is tied to my phone's location and not door opening.

other members of my household don't use this automation.

[midnight adder]

Ahh ok sorry 🙂

[midnight adder]

Where you borrowing it from?

[ocean oar]

I mean they're both good options (and I even do have a light sensor, elsewhere on the property), but this works fine

[mild canopy]

basically I have an automation to turn on the hallway lights to 10% and my room light to ON so that I can come inside without waking everyone up with bright lights

[lone dagger]

I have a dev key for a Tempest weather device and am viewing data from a device in my neighborhood.

[midnight adder]

This is handy missy 🙂

[ocean oar]

🤷‍♂️

[lone dagger]

Another one of those ideas I stole from someone else.

[midnight adder]

This is good 🙂

[mild canopy]

it's good when it fires 🤣

[midnight adder]

We don’t steal we borrow missy 😉

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/sergeant-schultz-see-nothing-hear-nothing-know-nothing-hogans-heroes-john-banner-gif-9302846

[mild canopy]

we don't steal. we get inspired. 🤣

[midnight adder]

This is a good trait

I think everyone helps everyone 🙂

If they can

Missy are you a dev for tempest?

[mild canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/franek-dolas-jakrozpetalem-jak-rozpętałem-drugąwolnęświatową-płot-fance-gif-22792457

[weak musk]

She works at Nabu casa, she’s the server admin (along with other things including crow wrangler)

[midnight adder]

Yes I remember missy saying head of marketing

[mild canopy]

Ah! Crow wranagler. A very respectable position!

[midnight adder]

Didn’t know tempest was nasu casa

[weak musk]

It’s not Jason.

[midnight adder]

Sorry ender I get confused easily

[weak musk]

No need to apologize

[lone dagger]

No no, that's my lead. I'm just the babysitter.

[midnight adder]

Missy you need a server role to tell me what you do please

[sage cedar]

Like what you get when you click on her name?

[weak musk]

She’s a club leader

She’s an admin

She’s a breaker of things

[midnight adder]

Admin mod employee

[weak musk]

https://tenor.com/view/mother-of-dragons-dragons-thrones-game-of-thrones-go-t-gif-5601373

[rich gorge]

Hello,

Just got the home assistant green and am enjoying it a lot!

I am in the process of setting up actions for all my hue switches (on, dim up, dim down, off) and am wondering if there is any simple way to put all triggers and actions in the same automation (per switch)?

They are all tightly related since they are triggered by the same device and will control the same lights.

Also, I believe this will simplify eventual future copies for the other switches for the other rooms.

I am very new to HA, so this is probably some newbie questions 😄

[weak musk]

Mother of dragons

[midnight adder]

Booster werido

[rich gorge]

Please point me to the appropriate channel if this is not welcom here at the water cooler ❤️

[midnight adder]

Breaks things and confusion

[weak musk]

Likely #1284980040940912641

[sage cedar]

Lover of Tuya 🤣

[weak musk]

And the choose action

[midnight adder]

Ender it says your a crow

What is that?

[weak musk]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crow

[lone dagger]

lmao

smart ass

[weak musk]

Caw caw

[midnight adder]

Hahahaha

At least your pretty ender

[silent dove]

The Crow role (dark cyan) is given to our community members who have proven themselves knowledgable and worthy of helping others. Please do not request to be assigned this role. It must be earned.

[lone dagger]

That's the role name of the supposed "knowledgeable" people in this server. Crows are highly intelligent problem solvers.

The latter being about the birds.

Not the people here.

The people here are okay I guess.

[weak musk]

The quotes are hurtful

[lone dagger]

[iron granite]

We don't solve problems. We usually are the problem.

[midnight adder]

So ender your a genius

[lone dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/its-me-im-the-problem-taylor-swift-problem-taylor-im-the-problem-gif-26994473

[weak musk]

And pretty

[midnight adder]

And pretty exactly you got everything going for you

😂😂

[weak musk]

That’s what your mama tells me

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/police-officer-super-troopers-security-state-park-gif-15950814341302266843

[weak musk]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-cowboy-finger-gun-pointing-moves-gif-17170914

[midnight adder]

My mum would probably prefer a cockatiel:)

Sorry ender out of luck

[weak musk]

I’m sure there’s a joke here. Absolutely sure of it.

[sage cedar]

Your name comes up in a kind of tiel colour

[midnight adder]

That is true

[keen bridge]

Yes. Some roles have certain colours.

[midnight adder]

It’s because he’s a genius and that’s the colour geniuses choose

[weak musk]

How British! 😉

[midnight adder]

I seen that on meet the parents

Rosemary is a language leader

How many languages can you speak rosemary?

[slim rampart]

ID

1257026624248090734

Name

Language leader

Color

#ad1457

Mention

<@&1257026624248090734>

Hoisted

No

Position

20

Mentionable

No

Managed

No

Role Created · Jun 30, 2024, 5:35 PM

[weak musk]

lol helpful

[midnight adder]

Genius ender

GENIUS

Are you from the USA?

[keen bridge]

Depending on fluency, 4-8

[midnight adder]

Impressive I can barely speak 1 🙂

I come in here and genuinely I feel i should have learnt better at school

[keen bridge]

Some people had better opportunities than others. What's most important is that you still try to learn now.

[midnight adder]

I do this is true

I have always enjoyed computers 🙂

I tried to learn Greek once but I can’t do it my brain don’t let me

Apparently you can only remember 20 something things

Am well full

[keen bridge]

New alphabets are pretty challenging. Spanish is usually easier for native English speakers 🙂

[midnight adder]

I never tried Spanish, I do know my numbers in French

Up to 40 I forgot what 50 is now

I think because iam English it makes me lazy with languages because most people can speak English you think I don’t need to learn any other

Well I think that well did think that

Michael said he will help me with the dashboard soon 🙂 he is helpful

Got to go now need to sleep it was lovely speaking to you all

Much love ❤️❤️

[weak musk]

https://tenor.com/view/peace-and-love-gif-5628144

[forest edge]

How often do you actually get to use Klingon?

was looking to see if there was some elegant commercial device to help close a mailbox door since the mailman doesn't always get it closed. I think I may have made this video in another life. https://youtu.be/ZeTPHiKJHmo?si=0HgzHMm0Cxfehtqh

[weak musk]

I mean that’s a pretty great solution honestly

[vague owl]

Any recommendations for a home assistant control panel display for my desk?

Been trying the ESP32 Screens, but they dont work the way i would like

[iron granite]

#1284966353798697001 with the "Recommendation" tag might be able to help

[vague owl]

Ill go create a post, thanks

[sage cedar]

It's almost like a 'Reception Desk' channel is needed, not sure it would make a difference though.

[ocean oar]

https://tenor.com/view/office-space-nina-just-a-moment-corporate-accounts-payable-gif-12269520

[iron granite]

We have one

[weak musk]

#find-support 🥳

[primal laurel]

That one is closed

[static schooner]

https://discord.com/channels/330944238910963714/1284976732428046461

[primal laurel]

Why is that a thread? No wonder people end up here

[weak musk]

yeah, but it has all of the channel definitions etc.

[weak musk]

thanks Rob.

[tidal bronze]

@forest edge you still get mail dude? What century are you from?

[static schooner]

I always forget about it and never visit there, I just route people from this channel

but the link to that thread is right at the bottom of #find-support and pretty visible if you read to the end, or at all

[primal laurel]

Which most people dont do

Neither do I to be honest

I usually just scan things

[weak musk]

How’s that working out 😉

[primal laurel]

Surprisingly well

[lone dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jackson-comendo-picoca-gif-9669437860846841235

[static schooner]

maybe that really should just be a channel

[tidal bronze]

Do you have a reference for this meme from Germany? Is it suppose to be funny?

[primal laurel]

Lobby channel

[primal laurel]

It's a classic meme. You too old for that?

[weak musk]

only if all mods/crows can mute it...

[static schooner]

I've read #find-support and I still don't know what to do

[tidal bronze]

Classic or not explain how you find it funny or applicable

[primal laurel]

Nah

[tidal bronze]

Oh you just think it's funny without context

[weak musk]

-# I feel like we're about to see QF mod and I'm scared and excited

[primal laurel]

Do I need your permission to find something funny?

[tidal bronze]

Unfortunately, not my question still stands

[primal laurel]

You want me to explain the meme to you?

It's so old it has a Wikipedia page

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ain't_Nobody_Got_Time_for_That

[tidal bronze]

You couldn't even if you tried

You have no context

[static schooner]

I live here and I didn't know the background

meaning is universal, IMHO

[primal laurel]

What?

[tidal bronze]

I think it's time you stopped replying and trying.

There's a time to let go

[primal laurel]

I'm just trying to figure out wtf you are talking about

Not making much sense

[tidal bronze]

If someone doesn't like something you posted in public, you don't have to know the details. Just don't throw a pissy fit trying to find out what it is. Just don't do it and move on. This would be my last message about this.

[primal laurel]

What a bizarre thing to say

You don't have the right to censor anyone

[tidal bronze]

Oh no, not interested. Knowing people and where they come from is important to me.

[primal laurel]

?????

Still don't have a clue what you're talking about but whatever, good luck with that

[shell basalt]

will you two just kiss and get it over with

[weak musk]

https://tenor.com/view/cassie-lang-stop-being-a-dick-modok-quantumania-never-too-late-gif-7466030931215426312

[tidal bronze]

So you still think it's funny?

[shell basalt]

thats my motto

wait no I misread that

I prefer being a dick

[primal laurel]

Absolutely

[tidal bronze]

I see.

[primal laurel]

There's secretly one inside of us all

[shell basalt]

giggity

[tidal bronze]

@primal laurel take it easy dude I am fucking with you. 🤣

[shell basalt]

you can prove this by kissing them

[forest edge]

come back to reality i implore you

[tidal bronze]

You got jokes too?

[forest edge]

mail is a real thing, it's not made up.. it exists!

although it's reliability seems shaky anymore

[tidal bronze]

Can't believe you still get mail

Forget the mail, adding a sensor, oh my

[forest edge]

you would too if the mailman could ever find your mailbox

for someone who's always spouting off about love and share the love.. you would think you putting a box at the street for people to put stuff in would be a no brainer

[tidal bronze]

I know that somone checks the mail once a week but I never see anything.

[forest edge]

so what the wife does that you don't witness dosen't exsist? is that what you are saying? lmao

[tidal bronze]

Wife has no clue, I don't know who does it but someone that comes to the house empty the mailbox

Just don't know what's in it

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/delulu-delusion-star-wars-luke-skywalker-force-gif-17088789

[tidal bronze]

I got a letter years ago saying that mailbox is full and if not emptied they will hold the mail at the post office. So I am sure someone empties it but don't know the contents

[forest edge]

no wonder ed mcmahon can't reach you

[tidal bronze]

Deepseek took a bite off my lunch

[grand solar]

https://tenor.com/view/champions-won-victory-big-check-award-gif-13886822

[clear ferry]

It's too late for me

https://tenor.com/bfLwl.gif

[urban wadi]

Just realized it could be cool to use NFC tags jukebox style for the kids. I don't want to buy an inkjet printer (I have a laser printer) with compatible printing tray, so has anyone here found a good way to style/mark the cards? Preferably a way where you can change it if you change what the tag does.

[keen bridge]

E-ink displays?

https://community.home-assistant.io/t/tagreader-jukebox-old-dog-new-tricks/407855?u=rosemaryorchard

[mint summit]

quick question for the people with a lot of IoT and automations: how do you feel comfortable using IoT in mission critical places in your house like door locks and garage doors, even with the threat of a vulnerability coming along making it extremely easy to bypass. Even the most reputable IoT companies can have huge gaping vulnerabilities that would have been found with even a basic pentest (cough cough looking at you simplisafe), and manufacturers will often put convenience over security. As the saying goes, "The s in IoT stands for security". Just looking for thoughts

to add to the conversation, this was one person's perspective online: "For me, the risk of physical keys being lost is far more likely than the overlap in the Venn diagram of domestic burglars with corporate-grade IT penetration skills. "

[dawn badge]

i dont currently use smart door locks. but from what i have seen alot of the time the weakest part of the security is the backup lock cylinder. company spends loads on electronics then puts the cheapest cylinder they can find on the backup.

for now: phyical lock bypass attacks are probably more common than electronic bypass attacks

[solar zealot]

considering how insecure the principles of a "lock" are in general, its not really and up or downgrade to have this more smart

if criminals want to get in they have the knowledge to do so. at worst they decide to smash windows

[mint summit]

the humble brick method

[dawn badge]

stick a couple of cameras and an alarm up and they will likely go break in somewhere else that doesnt have thoose things.

[solar zealot]

this

[dawn badge]

unless they are specifically targeting you, at which point nothing will help

[solar zealot]

they will absolutely come and look into your windows

we caught several people doing that here at night

this is usually not individuals but groups planning to enter your property so you can just make them be uninterested in it

tho overdoing it also puts a target on so there is some limit to how much that helps

[urban wadi]

Well that's a fun idea. I actually have a bunch that I use with OpenEpaperLink project. I don't have that many spares though. And these are running on batteries connected wirelessly to a hub, which isn't really needed for this use case. Did you think of a specific eink display?

I see those passive NFC epaper displays without batteries are quite costly

[clear ferry]

I was totally against smart locks, but since my daughter turned 6, it made sense to get one with a fingerprint reader and zigbee

[glacial knot]

Commumnuty my ass

[urban wadi]

I live in an apartment building. So when my daughter comes home and rings the bell in a special pattern, it unlocks the apartment building door and the Danalock on my apartment door.

[midnight adder]

I think best security practices start with the person, for instance the Apple iCloud leak, this was bad security practices by the user, the ring problem with people hacking into them this was people reusing passwords across different websites, people need to be more self aware of basic security I.e not reusing passwords and 2fa, this would stop majority of attacks, I also aware there is devices out there that make it easier to hack smart things(flipper zero) or even someone making there own device, so companies have major responsibility in keeping there servers up to date and treating there security more serious.

But like people have said up here they just use a brick if they really want in anyway

That’s my ten cents 🙂

Hello Michael:)

[reef bolt]

ya kjnow I know its the year of the voice and year of the dashboard

how about year of the error logs?

Source: components/automation/__init__.py:776
integration: Automation (documentation, issues)
First occurred: January 27, 2025 at 9:08:37 PM (5 occurrences)
Last logged: January 29, 2025 at 2:39:43 PM

Error while executing automation automation.attic_ac_lights_when_door_closed:```

this is worthless

[midnight adder]

I don’t know what happening there

[dawn badge]

probably best to move to #1284980040940912641 but have you looked at the automations trace?

[reef bolt]

my automations aren't new - theyre old

if theres an error why can't it provide any information other than oooop didn't run?

[dawn badge]

thats what the trace is for...

[midnight adder]

It might seem silly but is your light on at source this fails in me before and it because I forgot switch the light switch on lol

I get no everyone is as stupid as me though

[reef bolt]

no no I am 😉

I think the switch might have dropped off the zwave network

[midnight adder]

Sorry need to go for a bit ncnerd I hope you sort out your issue my friend

Speak soon

[grand solar]

Noob here. Hacs link doesn't work.. What am I doing wrong?

[glacial knot]

@lone dagger swag idea
https://www.google.com/search?client=ms-android-google&sca_esv=cd281e7ce9dc4f31&q=latzhose&udm=2&fbs=ABzOT_CWdhQLP1FcmU5B0fn3xuWpA-dk4wpBWOGsoR7DG5zJBteutRhCIwSdaS7of3GY5DS2VnkRU2iQ8O04zXfy0-Lw42KJAerVjYC5PueFSC-7rL9eDypYnlH1hUjCe8XXzJuBc13cS7kDQwrhVB_F8hVcXg5GLoAsTFwL0ehJcsfpIf7cdPG5pRUXKENNDW_3oWaWEC0p0FW9megbwHpKXHik9zFlOg&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjy_dm6jqCLAxUSBNsEHfswG3IQtKgLegQIFBAB#ip=1 with a HA logo on the front

Ah yes, search link of doom

[dawn badge]

no support here - start a thread in... i guess #1284965172053807145or #1284966540617449515 and add some more info

[grand solar]

Darn.

[clever mortar]

Eh, more #1284966582375813201

HACS has nothing to do with add-ons (other than having the add-on as an install option, but that's just a glorified downloader purely for HACS)

[stuck anchor]

i have looked inside a yale doorman, and it seemed to do things right. keypad, rfid reader and auxiliary power from the outdoor part go to a board on the inside. no way to get access to the wires that power the motor from the outside even if you smash off the whole outdoor cover.

some other locks i have seen seemed to have all the smart stuff along with the keypad. smash the lock and connect a battery directly to the lock motor. no corporate level it skills needed.

[mint summit]

given that most burglars are opportunistic, wouldn't they just use the brick to window technique instead of bringing a battery

[lone dagger]

They'd honestly just not bother trying.

Too much work.

Too loud.

[stuck anchor]

breaking double insulated windows is usually very noisy.

i guess it depends on how badly they want in

[mint summit]

bricks are the solution to everything
annoying co-workers? throw a brick at them
Locked outside? throw a brick at it
Code not working? Throw a brick at it

[mint summit]

can't believe ReolinkAU sent me the address of their RMA facility in Canada instead of Aus lmao

"yes I would like to pay more than $30 in shipping" - statements dreamed up by the utterly deranged

[mint summit]

I questioned it and then they sent me the correct Aus address thankfully

[keen bridge]

Locks only keep honest people out. If someone wants into your home, the lock is not going to be the thing that stops them.

[solar zealot]

Me who shipped a Nas back to China

[reef patio]

Hi, @lone dagger

Hope you're well....hey - I was just wondering if the Start9/StartOS folks got with you or your team yet...about getting a package of HAS for use on the server they built... (btw, I tried to PM you but it didn't work)

[iron granite]

They can already use the existing containers.

[lone dagger]

I don't know, actually! It's possible, but I am also not included in the convos right now. 😄

[crisp oriole]

I moved my zigbee antena to a more central point. everything now works great. Only one powerswitch At the place of the mini pc to turn on my media system is sometimes not connecting. Local Tuya to the rescue.

[reef patio]

thank you. I'll touch base with Start folks and bug them too... 🙂

[crisp oriole]

I got zigbee repeaters. But i also have concrete walls

I think zigbee is created for the american all wood mindset

[solar zealot]

ZigBee works fine for concrete even unless you have the chicken coop stuff in them aswell

It's much more important to not have your aps broadcast in the frequency range used by your zigbee installation

[static schooner]

Chickens are well known to block Zigbee signals

[solar zealot]

They just pick away and it's gone

[dawn badge]

gotta love the pain of new automation functionality needing to be added but you realise theres a serious amount of corner cases to solve

[static schooner]

Real life is complicated

I yearn for a world with spherical cows

[dawn badge]

yup, apprantly i now get half price electrcity between 1100 and 1600 on the weekend. so additional stuff needed to be added to the car charing automations to take advantage of this when able

[primal laurel]

you dont want to handle that with automations. Just let optimization figure it out

or use the EVCC addon or something like that

[lone dagger]

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/polish-cow-gif-23327708

[dawn badge]

i have set the car charger to switch into "scheduled mode" on friday at 1400 and switch back to "plug and charge" mode on sunday at 1400
in scheduled mode it only puts out power between 1100 and 1600

[primal laurel]

oh okay I thought it was more complicated than that

once you have more complex tariffs you need something like EVCC to optimize that

[dawn badge]

i have a load of data tracking stuff on automations, a "guest mode" that tracks differently so doesnt mess with data. and a couple of other random things which gives me the corner cases.

the actual charging isnt much of an issue, its just my beuitiful data that gets messed with if its not right

[midnight adder]

Hello stefan Michael 🙂

[gleaming stone]

does anyone know how to login on home assistant on pc?

[dawn badge]

with a browser is generally what i would recommend 🙂

[gleaming stone]

i know but how?

cant find a login page

[midnight adder]

You need your ip

[dawn badge]

you should probably start a thread in #1284966540617449515 and explain what you have done and what you have tried

[midnight adder]

Just put the ip in the browser

[gleaming stone]

Ok ok

[stuck anchor]

remember to use the port number as well

:8123

[dawn badge]

http://homeassistant.local:8123 should work in most cases

[gleaming stone]

thank you

[midnight adder]

Yes this I forgot about that so would be xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:8123

[dawn badge]

i forget the ports for stuff alot to be fair. i just use dns and reverse proxy and dont have to worry about ports once they are set up once

[midnight adder]

I booked marked mine so forgot lol

Good job there people here with better memory’s then me 😉

lol

[stuck anchor]

the reason i remember is that after years of having this bookmarked everywhere i needed to get in from a different pc. and spent way to much time hammering on why it didn't work...

[midnight adder]

I was doing that the other day when I set it up must have tried 3 times and I was like wtf is happening

Then realised about the port at the end so I thought am bookmarking this cos I will forget again tommorrow

Fun times

I been busy today

Living my best life

Michael will you be busy tomorrow?

[stuck anchor]

2 days ago my apollo radar sensor arrived in the country at least. 27 days... now let's see how fast it gets through customs and into my mailbox

[dawn badge]

i should be about, you want some help getting started with a dash?

[midnight adder]

What you need a radar sensor for? Are you a pilot?

[midnight adder]

If you don’t mind my friend 🙂

[dawn badge]

eek, which country are you in?

[stuck anchor]

just a radar presence sensor

[midnight adder]

Am glad you not forgot 🙂 whooopppp

[stuck anchor]

in norway

[midnight adder]

Sensor to see if someone is there like a motion sensor?

[dawn badge]

i use the EP1 and EPL from everythingsmart.io I havent tried any apollo stuff...yet

[stuck anchor]

yes, but ir sensors are motion sensors. sit still and you are invisible. radar are true presence sensors

[dawn badge]

mmwave radar its like pir but good 😛

to be fair their are pros/cons to both technologies

[midnight adder]

So tell me @stuck anchor what are you using this for? Is it for like a burglar alarm system?

[stuck anchor]

i hope the tracking and zone stuff in this one can be used to predict which room people are headed for in the hall

proactively turn on lights

[dawn badge]

light automation is probably the main thing people use it for i imagine

[stuck anchor]

make automation more invisible

[midnight adder]

Ohhh wow it will predict where you move that is crazyyyyy

I would love messing with that could have some fun try and outwit the radar

[stuck anchor]

radar also sees through walls to some extent. so setting max distance is important

[midnight adder]

You get a lot of false positives?

[stuck anchor]

dogs are pack/family and should also get light

[midnight adder]

Can you integrate ai into it so it can detect like animals over people?

[dawn badge]

cameras would be easier if your gunna go that way

[stuck anchor]

that needs some automation work

[dawn badge]

i want to mess with the one seed make that can detect heartrate and breathing

[midnight adder]

Yes my unifi camera knows between people and animals that is what made me think of it

[stuck anchor]

some have built in fall detection

[midnight adder]

How long do they stay on for until the sensor stops detecting?

[midnight adder]

Some cameras?

[stuck anchor]

some radar sensors

[midnight adder]

That would be handy

[stuck anchor]

put a tracker on the dogs collar and use that in automations for the tv?

[midnight adder]

Ahhh

What dog is it decoy?

[stuck anchor]

there was a discussion in a group here about using a mmwave sensor with fall detection and its cloud service for a family to get alerted if their old mother fell.

there is a ridge in the neighborhood. the pack here seem to hate her. and it's mutual.

[midnight adder]

I just googled it, that thing is huuggeeeeeeee

He bigger than mine

And I thought he was big

But look lovely

[midnight adder]

Will look into it

Ohhhh interesting will have to see which one would be best

Same

Arrwwww cute I need to stroke home now

[stuck anchor]

i don't think the one here lives in a good family. looks like the dad wants it to be a military camp

[midnight adder]

lol i can imagine because when mine barks it sends me dizzy so I bet when yours goes you need ear defenders lol

[midnight adder]

Don’t want anyone trespassing lol

I adore my dog, you know I sit with him and just chat with him and he just listens it’s great

[stuck anchor]

had a 50kg female german shepherd. long fur version. and not overweight at all. she didn't bark. just curled up the lip over just one fang (elvis-like) and wheezed quietly.

[midnight adder]

Beautifulllllll

[stuck anchor]

nobody dared mess with that

[midnight adder]

Mine wakes up the street when postie comes

He goes balsatic

[stuck anchor]

when a 50kg dog looks you in the eye and does that trick it's terrifying 😄

[midnight adder]

Arwwww love it

My dog is slightly over weight he 47kg

I just put him in a diet

[stuck anchor]

and that one time a stranger (male dog) showed up and the big one stood between him and the rest of the pack giving him a stern warning. and suddenly the dachs in the pack was standing under her with all teeth bared. ready for a combined attack. one high, one low. the stranger backed quietly away.

[midnight adder]

Am glad no one got hurt 🙂

[stuck anchor]

the german shepherd/labrador mix here recommends brown rice with grated carrots and bits of chicken. she can eat solid servings and still loose weight.

[midnight adder]

I do raw feed him usually 850g but lowered it to 650g for a few weeks

[stuck anchor]

the chance of a male dog attacking females is low. and i knew mine would not attack unprovoked. just set a line to protect the young ones

[midnight adder]

Yes it’s good they have each others back isn’t it 🙂

[stuck anchor]

another guy was out walking the big shepherd. passed by a house with two little handbag sized dogs that followed them on the other side of the fence. barking and snarling. and suddenly in a comic book moment the fence ended and they stood face to face with that giant they had been so uppity with. she didn't do a thing, but the two little furballs ran screaming into a nearby house leaving behind two brown tracks of instant diarrhea...

[raw flax]

Just got myself a new piece of hardware to host Home Assistant for 126€ and I'm exited for it

[stuck anchor]

tech specs?

[static schooner]

That's a very expensive potato. Must be the world's largest

https://tenor.com/view/potato-potatoes-tates-taties-yummy-gif-4611100

[raw flax]

Intel i-3 1000NG4
16 GB DDR4 RAM
512 GB NVME SSD
WIFI 5 and Bluetooth 4.2

[stuck anchor]

that amount of memory is serious overkill for just ha

[raw flax]

I will host a little more on it

[stuck anchor]

ha add ons or run ha in vm/as container?

[raw flax]

But right now I have HA (Docker) and Pi-hole on a RPi 3b+ and that poor thing is struggling a ton

[stuck anchor]

i can't remember how much ram the 3+ has

[raw flax]

2GB

[stuck anchor]

that ought to be enough for just ha. just enough.

but if the combination with pi-hole drives it to start paging... on sd card... poor thing

[dawn badge]

yeah its gunna struggle

[raw flax]

It loves to drop my DNS requests and that is painful

[raw flax]

Btw almost finished the documentation

[stuck anchor]

on my pi 4 going from os on a2 sd card to fast memory stick was incredible. and yet another boost going to ssd using usb-sata cable

[raw flax]

My Pi3 in my flic case will soon go back to just Pi-Hole then

[stuck anchor]

databases on sd card does not perform well. paging even worse

[peak slate]

Pics! Turn this into #the-dog-cooler

[raw flax]

You never stop learning I guess

[stuck anchor]

who's a dirty girl?

[iron granite]

#the-water-cooler

[peak slate]

I give a two for one deal

[raw flax]

I was thinking about maybe hosting immich down the line and I want to try to get piper and wisper running on it as well as best as possible to soon dump Google Home

[stuck anchor]

3 for one

[lone dagger]

DOG COOLER

[raw flax]

I was just about to talk about tech

[lone dagger]

Look at this dumb girl who is terrified of the cat on her bed.

[raw flax]

What about cooler dog?

[peak slate]

And an old picture

[iron granite]

Sorry! Only dogs. That's the law.

[raw flax]

Dial-Up modem sounds but as a dial down version

[peak slate]

Those ears

[static schooner]

That dog definitely speaks German

[stuck anchor]

play ball?

[raw flax]

Well I'm no dog, but ich spreche tatsächlich Deutsch

[iron granite]

Sitz!

[raw flax]

That's not how it works, but I'm already sitting on my chair in front of my PC, so it is already cheating by design.

Or in German:

Nö

[iron granite]

No Scooby Snacks for you!

[raw flax]

You first need to proof that you have any to begin with!

[peak slate]

Hunting for a free sample ehhh

[raw flax]

No, just making sure that I'm not getting screwed and scammed at the same time

[iron granite]

https://github.thefes.nl

[peak slate]

Also, ball?

[lone dagger]

BALL

[raw flax]

Is the joke that the page doesn't load or is something wrong with my network and my mobile-data provider at the same time?

[iron granite]

wrong TLD

[stuck anchor]

the refrain of a norwegian song about german homework and the result of meeting some german girls in bonn...

"An, auf, hinter, in, neben, über, unter
Vor und zwishen
An dem wand und auf die tischen
Erfülle alle meine wünschen!"

[weak musk]

Lightning fast on this change I see 😂

[lone dagger]

That's because it's not me.

😂

[iron granite]

[weak musk]

😂😂

[static schooner]

ol' one ear

[lone dagger]

[raw flax]

Still does not work .-. But I can use this moment and show you what I'm working on!
I made a dynamic benchmark for my blocklist for AI run blogs that are just there to generate traffic with some nice stats

https://cederick.github.io/AI_antislop-blcklst/benchmark.html

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/verify-gif-25797667

[raw flax]

I have a Home Assistan project as well but the documentation is still not complete. I still need to write a tutorial and learn how to turn an automation in a blueprint

It is gaming related and kinda fun

[stuck anchor]

fash...

[sage cedar]

I look away for a moment and this place goes to the dogs

[peak slate]

You must pay the dog tax

[sage cedar]

One of the laziest I've ever had, ridiculously smart though once she's going.

Taxes Paid

[peak slate]

🐕‍🦺

[stuck anchor]

smart and lazy go paw in paw

[sage cedar]

Terrible picture but this guy was my fav. He would sing when I played my electric guitar above a certain register. Guitar solo>dog sings.

There's a better one of him

[lone dagger]

This is amazing evidence that a pets channel is needed.

[last cedar]

@lone dagger why is it not "the-raccoon-cooler" omg!

[lone dagger]

Blame @iron granite!!

[last cedar]

I will do that after I have stolen his doormats

[iron granite]

That would reduce the chance of future Raccoon Assistant icons.

https://tenor.com/view/godfather-marlon-brando-scratch-whatever-shrug-gif-13264414173384791219

[last cedar]

I am putting them back right now

Go check outside

[fast orbit]

Nathan the hot dog 🌭

[peak slate]

Raccoon assistant?

[iron granite]

Yes. Michelle is the first user of Raccoon Assistant.

[peak slate]

Bing didn't do the best job at generating an icon for it, but it gave it a shot

[last cedar]

I already run a raccoon inspired ha logo on my keypads outside

[iron granite]

You are using it as favicon as well, aren't you?

[weak musk]

we'll need #the-Missy-mess next year, but only for a day

[lone dagger]

Can someone crop this properly and give it a transparent background, please? I will add it as an emoji.

[last cedar]

Yes Jorg ❤️

[weak musk]

https://arstechnica.com/google/2025/01/just-give-me-the-fing-links-cursing-disables-googles-ai-overviews/ hahahaha this is incredible

[last cedar]

Perhaps!

[forest edge]

just wait till it takes over movies. https://youtu.be/q-m2Lr32SNs?si=dPvHh0SxoHqXNPFF

[crisp oriole]

arnt only huskeys and st bernards allowed in a cool area?

[iron granite]

@lone dagger @last cedar

-# Raccoonita

[peak slate]

What do you mean? I've seen plenty of Chihuahuas in sweaters

[crisp oriole]

Chihuahuas in sweaters? But what if it snows.

[peak slate]

That's what the sweater is for

[crisp oriole]

to find the chihuahua back when the snow has melted?

[peak slate]

Oh, You're talking feet of snow

Not inches

[crisp oriole]

Its the amount of now.

[peak slate]

Or meters not centimeters

[crisp oriole]

I mean snow snow.. like skiing not the stuff from the netherlands

[peak slate]

Also plenty of other breeds handle the cold just fine, labs and retrievers, known a few of them who'd snooze when it was below 0f and snowing

New air bud movie confirmed? Skiing!

My pittie tolerates it in the cold if she's got her jacket on

[solar zealot]

so where can we get some hotdogs

[stuck anchor]

the lab/schäfer mix loves the cold

and the bc's just run faster to compensate

although even if we got echo as a border collie she kind of looks and behaves more like a welsh collie (a mix of welsh shepherd (which is also a collie) and border collie)

[odd aurora]

quick question, is duckdns having issues does anyone know? trying to nail down why it's stopped working before making an actual support thing about it

or I give up and go with tailscale

[stuck anchor]

what has stopped working?

[iron granite]

When is DuckDNS not having issues? It wouldn't be a rare occurrence.

[odd aurora]

it just won't connect to my instance anymore

[keen bridge]

Is the channel name what happens when we leave Joost unsupervised?

[peak slate]

Mine is fine in the 50's and 60's, but she also has a kennel that's got a full size comforter in it for her to borrow into when she's chilly

[stuck anchor]

and what do you mean by connecting? i did a dns lookup on one of my names there and the dns service works

[keen bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/clippy-funny-clippy-failed-joke-gif-26151289

[odd aurora]

if I try in browser it knows it's meant to load home assistance because it shows the logo, then changed to an err_failed error

just checking my port forwards aren't wiped for some dumb reason

nope, they're there

[stuck anchor]

duckdns just provides the address. any connectivity issues would be elsewhere if the address they return is correct

[odd aurora]

yeah it's weird, just trying to dig into it because nothing's changed

[stuck anchor]

check that your external address matches

[odd aurora]

oh, I already checked that, it does

[stuck anchor]

port 8126? not 8123?

[odd aurora]

yup

it's been working fine for months

apart from when o2 decides to block duckdns for a month sometimes

it loads up this when I first put the external url in, so it knows what it's meant to do

and then gives up

🤷‍♂️

[stuck anchor]

tried clearing the browser cache?

[dawn badge]

that ccould be cached

[iron granite]

If clearing the cache doesn't help, create a post in #1284966540617449515.

[odd aurora]

clearing the cache is so annoying these days having to re log into everything

[dawn badge]

whats the odds on isp enabled CG-NAT?

[odd aurora]

I know there's a keyboard shortcut to clear for a specific page?

that was my thinking, maybe

[iron granite]

Ctrl+F5 on Windows

[odd aurora]

but idk virgin haven't used it before

[stuck anchor]

hold shift while clicking reload?

[static schooner]

Clearing the cache is not the same as clearing all the cookies and history

The former just means downloading things again

[dawn badge]

just use another browser for a moment to test

[static schooner]

Loading will just maybe be slower once, that's all

[odd aurora]

ah, yeah good shout on using edge

just says can't connect, alright

[odd aurora]

using the local address yeah

[raw flax]

Is that a free way to get access your HA from outside the network?

[dawn badge]

my money is on supprise cg-nat but in any case should probably move out this channel for more troubleshooting

[odd aurora]

whatsmyip doesn't show a cg-nat address

I'll just switch to tailscale for now, at least I know it works

[dawn badge]

an external site wont show a cg-nat ip. look at your routers status page and compare what it claims the external ip is to what an external site actually sees

[crisp oriole]

just removed tailscale because it nested its own name server in resolve and crashed.

[odd aurora]

I tried doing that but netgear software is garbage

[dawn badge]

if you cant see basic connection status on your router then you have bigger problems

[odd aurora]

ohhh wait I know why

no the ip it gives is an internal one

it's because it's behind the virgin media hub

[dawn badge]

then look at the VM hub status page

[odd aurora]

yeah, just need to find the ip

[dawn badge]

VM also have a history of going into devices and see that you have made changes and then change them back to default every so often. i have a friend who would get emails from them occasionally "we switched your wifi on because it somehow got switched off" and shit like that had to keep going back in and reconfiguring it

[odd aurora]

huh, the default password doesn't work and I'm fairly sure I haven't changed it, none of my common passwords are working if I have done anyway, this just gets better and better

I can still check router status without logging in and it gives so much info but no ip address

oh, no sorry I'm on the login page for it

[dawn badge]

does cg-nat show if in a traceroute?

[odd aurora]

apparently if there's 2 hops then yes it's cg-nat

looks like 2 to me

[dawn badge]

cg nat addresses are (normally and supposed to be) - between 100.64.0.0 and 100.127.255.255

might have to traceroute something external to see the hops though. i am not even sure if it shows up. i havent ever been in a position to try

[lone dagger]

Oh nooooo the file size too large!

[dawn badge]

tis what she proclaimed

[forest edge]

what is the max? 256k?

[lone dagger]

Correct, sir.

[tidal bronze]

@forest edge just about to enter middle earth and lose internet, help!

[forest edge]

9kb should do it lol

[forest edge]

stick your head out the window and take advantage of the clean air!

[lone dagger]

[forest edge]

almost need to do away with the blue parts lol

[tidal bronze]

I want to but can't afford to lose my common sense.

[forest edge]

fresh air for the first time can cause someone to lose their mind

[tidal bronze]

Hey you, long time no see.

[lone dagger]

ohai

What are you drinking on the plane?

[tidal bronze]

The usual cabernet and coffee

So still esp era huh?

[lone dagger]

Yeah, nothing funnier has come around yet.

Backups Era is coming, though, it won't be too soon.

[tidal bronze]

Oh that sounds interesting and disturbing at the same time.

[lone dagger]

[unborn merlin]

raccoon home?

[iron granite]

Raccoonita

[lone dagger]

Raccoon Casita, technically. lol.

[ocean oar]

Great news for our resident crustacean connoisseur
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/31/magazine/invasive-crabs-new-england.html?unlocked_article_code=1.tU4.-nHi.i49FuNQryd7l

[tidal bronze]

What good news 👍

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-zoidberg-hooray-hooray-for-me-cheer-gif-6056873826179632126

[ocean oar]

https://tenor.com/view/lotr-funny-gif-21548565

I just love the way it's phrased. Too many crabs? Invasive species affecting the ecosystem?

[sage cedar]

That's no ordinary blue, it's Home Assistant Blue.

[unborn merlin]

but is that registered with that parasite pantone!?

[sage cedar]

FWIW I hate Home Assistant Blue

[lone dagger]

lol parasite???

[iron granite]

The Blue had some USB weaknesses. 🤔

But the metal case looked nice.

[unborn merlin]

https://www.reddit.com/r/web_design/comments/yfzmix/you_have_to_pay_a_subscription_to_use_pantone/

parasites, yes.

[lone dagger]

el oh fucking el

Jesus.

[unborn merlin]

parasites.. alike many companies really. 😛

[lone dagger]

Yep, hard to escape it now.

[unborn merlin]

not nearly enough men named luigi, nope.

[static schooner]

It would be funny if photoshop just replaced the Pantone colors with closest approximation because nobody cares

<- Software engineer, definitely keep me away from the frontend

[iron granite]

Pantone is nice. Just 1,172.12 EUR for the plastic chip color sample set.

[ocean oar]

Ah, and the best part is those. Because iirc those physical colour samples also have an expiration date

Because they might fade, or something

[iron granite]

Oh... 9,078.00 USD for Pantone color sample plastics chips.
https://www.pantone.com/products/plastics/the-pantone-matching-system-plastic-standard-chips-collection

[lone dagger]

lmfao

[unborn merlin]

give it a few more years and it'll start breaking down on purpose even if they're stored safely and etc.. 😛

[iron granite]

Around the same again for cotton samples.

[ocean oar]

Pantone® Microplastics!

[primal laurel]

Isn't that just a method meant to make prints and digital material have the same colours

[iron granite]

And matching design and final product.

In theory you would have to buy the sample every now and then, because they could loose their color "calibration" over time.

[sage cedar]

Marketing 101

[red rock]

Lol why

[iron granite]

And they have a lighting chamber to have "calibrated" light for color comparing.

[static schooner]

Seems like an obsession that needs a support group

[sage cedar]

It feels dated to me... kinda in the same class as seafoam green.

[lone dagger]

WOW ATTACKED

I love seafoam green. 😆

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/nmplol-emiru-cyr-banned-gif-26412698

[sage cedar]

Wow, I triggered Missy... I should excuse myself for safety reasons.

[static schooner]

The 70s called...

[solar zealot]

You can tell not even Apple has such things. They can't even approximately match the color of their products between lines and years

[lone dagger]

Look here old man.

[solar zealot]

[sage cedar]

60's

[static schooner]

Pretty sure my mom has a seafoam green hand mixer

And it may have been a wedding present

[solar zealot]

That's a wild wedding gift

[forest edge]

might play better with reactions

[red rock]

If it looks stupid but it's not stupid it's not stupid

[forest edge]

dunno

[static schooner]

Think: 70s

[iron granite]

Sarah from LTT once explained that Pantone plastics caroussel for 10k.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JF8UziDHqZo

[solar zealot]

Where is the camera lick icon

[red rock]

Sarah!

[static schooner]

Seems like money better spent on a really nice color calibrator

If you want see a color, use a calibrated monitor. If you want to know what a color is, scan it with a suitable tool

[solar zealot]

Companies should just make more white and less black products

No one needs colors

[lone dagger]

Only white forever.

…wait

[static schooner]

Apple was onto something

[solar zealot]

If they wouldn't be cheap ass about getting your the proper UV resistant stuff

I don't like black holes in my living are and I don't like smoking yellow stuff either

[iron granite]

That sounds wrong.

[sage cedar]

No! I hate white appliances... tucks his voice PE behind his back

[solar zealot]

📸 we got her

[lone dagger]

You could print a colored case!

[sage cedar]

Not my thing, was thinking of designing stickers for it though... I need a Pantone plastics carousel thought.

[solar zealot]

The pe needs a heavier case (nice wood) with a better speaker!

[primal laurel]

If it looks stupid and its not stupid but it sounds stupid then often it's still stupid (unless it's not stupid)

[solar zealot]

Or Frankenstein it into an Alexa thing hehe

[tidal bronze]

Stickers? 🤔

[lone dagger]

Time to make a laser cutter file.

[solar zealot]

Did someone say stickers

[static schooner]

The whole thing in the video about getting the exact color of the 'beauty ring' on a screw driver is everything weird about design

Wasting ton of money not getting exactly the color red you want? Pfft

Is it red? Done

[forest edge]

gross

[iron granite]

Nah. For stickers you likely need a sticker sample set. They are slightly cheaper.

[static schooner]

Also, classic that they give you a CD

[tidal bronze]

@forest edge are you proud of me? I survived middle earth!!!! On to better pastures......

[forest edge]

back to the land you can no longer see from the air due to thick smog huh

you know you are in your element when you start having breathing issues

[tidal bronze]

Please hold!

City of Angeles with 8 fires

[forest edge]

Just call it what it really is. Mordor

[static schooner]

Doesn't look as scary from the air

[forest edge]

https://youtu.be/JvhA6FEqV18?si=sTIzwKg3Vcgl_6Vc

[tidal bronze]

This is real ma boi! None of that ai crap!

[forest edge]

am glad to see they were able to save so many house pets but seem to be having troubles reuniting at the moment

[tidal bronze]

Tou taking that greyhound down to LA for Olympics?

Let me know I would love to pickup fron LA bus stop

[solar zealot]

No

[sage cedar]

Removing the rubber feet and laying it flat on my coffee table does help.

[forest edge]

hard pass

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2024/08/glenrothes-bus-stop-fire-jpg-2tcdkj1bc-e1722502688980.jpg

[tidal bronze]

@solar zealot do you have strong enough Ju Ju to survive the bus ride?

[forest edge]

pretty sure LA was added to the "avoid at all cost" tourism route list lol

[tidal bronze]

Get ready for Olympics ma boi

[forest edge]

can check out the famous hollywood sign

https://img.republicworld.com/tr:w-700,q-50/all_images/Gg0fm3UXIAAJtbA-1736423432232.webp

maybe swing by micky d's for some fries

https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7395344b-d49c-4267-a6e3-c840228c7e5c_636x358.avif

[solar zealot]

Where is the bus going?

[forest edge]

wasn't the oylimpics canceled? where the hell would they host it? lol

[tidal bronze]

GTS got jitters when it comes to getting on a plane. So he is taking greyhound bus down to LA

[forest edge]

i'll see Hell when I die.. don't need a precursor

[tidal bronze]

Ah huh? You see LA dreams in your sleep ma son. I can understand how frustrating it must be to live down in middle earth. My heart goes out to you bruh

[forest edge]

you realize everyone here pictures you sitting in a chair surrounded by fire while you typed that right?

[solar zealot]

Oh so it's just like the Borderlands movie

[tidal bronze]

It's all for love ❤️ champ

Is Stefan around? Is he got time for this?

[forest edge]

now you trying to get foreigners to come to LA? you must be desperate lol

[tidal bronze]

Foreigners to come to LA? That's all we have. Like 80 different in one street corner? That's what makes LA, LA! We are not interested in that country dumb shit!

[forest edge]

I said foreigners not illegals lol

oh I forgot. you don't like that term

my bad

[tidal bronze]

All welcome with ❤️

We are not biggots here in LA and insecure little girls

[forest edge]

maybe we can all meet up in Texas when LA hands over the honors of serving the Olympics to them

see, you can have decoy

[tidal bronze]

You from?

[forest edge]

a town of about 9k lol

[tidal bronze]

Teust me I own more than you. But where you from?

[forest edge]

to him LA would be like visiting the future lol

[tidal bronze]

Ouch

[forest edge]

where the hell is that?

[tidal bronze]

I am sorry

[sage cedar]

Middle Earth

[tidal bronze]

Dying here

[forest edge]

can't find sonaoma on any map

[tidal bronze]

You got your CCW?

Let's talk

[forest edge]

must be that 9k edumication

yea your going to have to elaborate on that

[tidal bronze]

Kentucky City, LMAO
You know what they say about shit with self titles.

City so miniscule they had to call it a CITY

[forest edge]

you are going to have to elaborate on that as well

[tidal bronze]

You confused buddy? City witb a City in the name?

[forest edge]

city with a state in the name?

[tidal bronze]

Easy tiger.

[forest edge]

is that what it is?

west coast humor is baffling sometimes

[tidal bronze]

City so small you had to call it a city, literally lmao.

[forest edge]

i guess the sonamoa and kentucky parts added to the confusion

isn't the pop of LA less now though?

[mint summit]

my docker instance crapped out overnight

can access portainer and ha using host networking

but other containers like nginx with portmapping can't be accessed outside the machine

firewall rules are all fine and have been working for a while

oh wait

portainer isn't even using host networking

wth

hmmm

seems like docker made a breaking change last night, so my old network for that stuff stopped being useable

created a new one, and problem solved! hopefully not a bandaid though

[tidal bronze]

Did you call their customer care number?

[mint summit]

??

[tidal bronze]

If you can't get through be patient or aubmit a support ticket

[mint summit]

oh wait

I'm just using docker-CE

I'm not a commercial customer or anything

[tidal bronze]

Oh got it. They have a different number for CE

[mint summit]

the issue is fixed, but I might check up with them later

https://github.com/moby/moby/issues/49288 seems like a known issue

weird that recreating the network made it work

[mint summit]

also another weird thing: I just enabled proxmox firewall now, and I can access everything fine, except portainer

a few other people have also had the same issue

bro

I restarted the vm and the issue came back

what is going on

[ocean oar]

Apparently you hadn't tried turning it off and on again?

https://tenor.com/view/the-it-crowd-it-crowd-channel4-maurice-moss-richard-ayoade-gif-27113501

[mint summit]

that caused the issue again lol

[ocean oar]

Computers are supposed to be deterministic, damnit!

[mint summit]

damnit it was IPtables/nftables shenanigans

to hell with this I'm deleting all firewalls on my IoT box and moving that stuff to proxmox (which I probably should have done from the beginning)

this is such goofiness

[austere anchor]

I just do all firewalls on my router. Too much trouble to debug when there are three places doing the same thing.

[mint summit]

did some more research and found out that by default, docker doesn't allow bridges to be accessed from outside the host

people were saying that for these kinds of tasks, a person should use host networking

weird because custom bridges don't work, but docker's default bridge does work

when creating the bridge, docker does the rules correctly, however, when I restart, those temporary rules get flushed, and docker goes back to its normal rules

after docker starts, setting an iptables rule to accept all forward makes it work fine. However, if it is created beforehand, that rule will be overridden

according to the docs, Docker should automatically be adding iptables rules for my custom bridge. However, it is not, or at least, not correctly

if ports are mapped for a bridged container, those ports are only accessible from the host, not outside the host

I've checked the rules that docker adds for iptables, and it only adds forwarding rules for the default "docker0" bridge.

hmmm

for anybody else, there is also a good explanation here:
https://github.com/docker/for-linux/issues/1472#issuecomment-2189535038

docker with its iptables-nft by default updates the ip table, instead of the inet table

I think that is the main problem right now

I deleted nftables, but I kept iptables-nft. I wonder how that will change things

bridged containers from outside host are still broken

why is this even happening

everything was working perfectly fine until last night/this morning

I have come to the realisation that I have no clue what is happening, and that enabling forwarding for everything in iptables-nft fixes it

[mint summit]

huh

stopped being able to access portainer on the default network as well after adding nginx and mqtt to that network

[mint summit]

I attached a bandaid to make it work by enabling ufw again and putting a routing rule between the LAN interface and the docker bridge interface

holy shit I just wasted 4 hours

[last cedar]

Calm down satan!

[last cedar]

This is epic omg

[austere jay]

Anyone has smlight tech products here? Apparently the SLZB-06* group of products will be able to work as a hub, meaning no need of z2m and mqtt anymore to add devices and link to HA. But this means that the hub needs to be supported directly by the integration I guess? I have so many questions 😄

[clear ferry]

That is a synonym of "I run ufw"

[mint summit]

ehh, the problems weren't related to ufw though

[clear ferry]

Said every ufw user

[mint summit]

I'm pretty sure its the symptoms of "I run docker"

everyday I question why I didn't use podman for my IoT setup

[clear ferry]

Yeah, any host I run docker on will have ufw disabled

[mint summit]

the problem wasn't with ufw, but with docker suddenyl deciding not to allow forwarding from my custom bridge to my LAN

and messing up my entire day

after upgrading to docker version 27.3.1-r1

on alpine linux

oh the irony:
"Fix an issue that prevented communication between containers on an IPv4 bridge network when running with --iptables=false, --ip6tables=true (the default), a firewall with a DROP rule for forwarded packets on hosts where the br_netfilter kernel module was not normally loaded"

looks like the issue occasionally pops up on the default bridge for some reason as well

so I put a firewall rule for forwarding to be allowed there as well, and that patched that up

[stuck anchor]

regarding the pantone discussion - we need to calibrate the users as well!

https://ismy.blue/

[deft pewter]

I wasted a couple of hours last night trying to get IPv6 working with Docker (IPv4 at my new place is behind CGNAT) and still didn't succeed 😅

[stuck anchor]

turquoise is green!

most of my family are shocked that i see it as green. it is clearly blue to them

[deft pewter]

With respect: your family are simpletons 😄

If you add any amount of yellow to blue, it's now green.

[stuck anchor]

what's your boundary in the above test?

mine is at hue 186

[deft pewter]

I got 185. Is that more blue or more green than you?

[stuck anchor]

close enough to be within creen calibration errors i guess?

[deft pewter]

Funnily enough, looking at the spectum on the results page, I'd call a lot more of it green. If I had to choose the line on that view, I'd place it about 80% of the way to the right.

[stuck anchor]

so we have now set the baseline for the cooler talk

[young sigil]

Seems someone calibrated me already "Your boundary is at hue 174, just like the population median. You're a true neutral."

[desert cave]

184 here

[deft pewter]

Good enough

[desert cave]

especially since I'm pretty sure my monitor isn't calibrated great, haha

[mint summit]

damn, 171

[deft pewter]

Heathen

[desert cave]

oh hey.. I've been up for 21 hours now 🙃

[mint summit]

tested again, 173

"they called me insane"

[kind falcon]

Just assign the v6 addr directly on your host and host ports on the host interface. You should have plenty of addresses to do this for every docker image you run. Simple enough 😉

Hope anyone can point me in the right direction. I have an integration that has been configured before. It broke and when I try to reenable it the int. it resumes on the same broken config. As far as I understand it there is no real way to reset a config. Any ideas in what direction to look?

[deft pewter]

Manually assigning IPs to containers? What crazy talk is this?

I used Docker to not have to manage the network.

[mint summit]

why docker why

why would you do a breaking change

had to also allow routing in the same fucking bridge network

just using ufw at this point to make the rules because iptables is horrible at persistence

why was this working fine yesterday, and then you issue a breaking change

whyyyyy

hopefully it is fine now

[mint summit]

on top of that you override any iptables changes made before you start

I wish I started with podman

[stuck anchor]

i have one vm that i use to run docker containers that just won't work with podman. currently only one i think. podman for everything else.

[mint summit]

I normally use podman as well. why did I go with dockerrrrrrrr

at least its working now

[stuck anchor]

since i am on fedora/rhel side of things i tend to stick to firewalld

i did install ufw and play with it when firewalling off some chinese switches just to see that they behaved. used a pi 3b+ as a router from my wifi to those new switches and set it up so any traffic outbound from that net would be logged. they didn't even try to whisper out to the net for 3 days, so i think they are safe.

lacp over 2 interfaces to one of my linux boxes worked as well as vlan tagging.

and they are 2.5Gb on all ports and with 10Gb uplink sfp+ at a nice price

[mint summit]

like those n100 pcs on aliexpress?

[stuck anchor]

reminds me that i have to determine final placement for them and order 10Gb cables for them with the right length. i hope i can use dac cables everywhere as that is the least power hungry sfp+ tech it seems. keep temps down

[mint summit]

they seem too good to be true

even considered buying one for a router

[stuck anchor]

these are proper switches using a switch chip set.

[deft pewter]

Ordering cable with the right length? Why not just get it in bulk and terminate it yourself?

Oh, is this fibre?

[mint summit]

not everybody has the dexterity or skill tho

[stuck anchor]

dac cables are not something you do yourself. copper cable with sfp+ connectors

[deft pewter]

Skill? To use a passthrough terminator? 😂

[mint summit]

I mean, if you have Jesus in your profile, should you really be belittling other people who don't know a pretty niche skill?

[deft pewter]

Belittling? Quite the opposite - anyone should feel empowered to pick up DIY like that. It's fun and simple, you just need some cheap and easily-obtainable tools.

You're the one suggesting people can't do it

[mint summit]

you literally just made fun of people who don't know how to terminate a ethernet cable tho

[deft pewter]

lol. I certainly did not

I said it doesn't need skill. You're suggesting people can't handle it.

But... moving on.

[stuck anchor]

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005005943823096.html
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005006278753506.html
these are the two switches i bought. the smallest one will go into my isp routers 2.5Gb port and have 10Gb uplinks both to my media center area and to the server room. the other one is for the media center area.

[mint summit]

I doubt the average person really wants to sit down an terminate a cable when they can buy a pre-terminated cable out of convenience

or they pay a cabler to run cables (which is legally required here in aus)

people can learn it if they really want to, but most people don't want to lose out on their home insurance if their house burns down (in this scenario)

[deft pewter]

Those prices are awesome. I didn't find much 2.5Gbps stuff when I was looking to wire my current place. Sticking with 1Gbps for now.

[deft pewter]

If someone manages to burn down their house with data cabling, they deserve it tbh.

I'll leave high voltage work to the pros.

[mint summit]

insurance companies will find any reason not to pay out your home insurance

it is illegal here to do any kind of cabling yourself

including running data cables

[stuck anchor]

people who have a hard time assembling ikea furniture would have a hard time getting the pairs right in ethernet connectors... 😛

[mint summit]

nobody deserves to have their house burn down

[deft pewter]

Sure. But mismatched pairs won't start a fire 🤣

Cable testers only cost a few bucks too

I'm well aware most people would prefer to pay for the convenience of having things done for them. I'm getting someone to chase the cabling in my new home cos I cba. But I'll be doing the rest of the job myself.

[stuck anchor]

i did all the mains cabling in a refurbished/rebuilt house. but we had access to a certified electrician who was willing to come in and inspect everything and sign off on it. most of them don't do that just as they won't work with cabling etc that you have bought as their commission on all the materials used is a big part of their income

[mint summit]

dayum a true DIY'er here

[last cedar]

Good job!

Obviously diying isn't something that everyone can or wants to do.

I always get my trusted plumber in with anything more than simple water stuff.

But did all the electric (I am a low voltage person by trade), security, swapped windows and doors, cladded and insulated the house.

The good thing is that we have the ability to do a lot ourselves if you want 🙂

Just had to weld a PU belt for the 2nd time on my ventillation unit, spent 150 euro on a kit to do it, rather than spending the same on getting someone to do it for me once.

[stuck anchor]

he did find a few errors we had to fix, but fewer than he would have expected from his own apprentices he said. probably because we were so determined not to make errors we were reading the regulatory documentation again and again 😄

[mint summit]

I'm guessing it wasn't the most enjoyable read? 😸

[stuck anchor]

back in the crt days i was doing both consultancy and hardware support/repair on sun equipment. so it was ok for me to tune and adjust a crt with really high voltages, but i was not certified for 220v. 😛

[young sigil]

It's more about the electrocution risk from idiots bundling data and mains cables together.

[stuck anchor]

an aquired taste? it was very logical, structured and readable. but a brick wall to get into

i have seen ethernet cable melt down and short just because another cable was pulled too fast across it in a conduit. so when pulling long cables, do it slowly.

that error was made by a professional, and it took quite a bit of time for the owners of the affected servers to guess that their cable had been damaged out of the blue...

[primal laurel]

electrons are funny things

damaging a cable in one place may cause a short circuit in another place

[kind falcon]

A customer I had called me that his network was down. Lightning strike reached a switch and fried everything with ethernet in the building.

Crazy expensive joke

Had to use pliers to pull out some of the plugs since they got welded to the sockets.

[primal laurel]

shortcircuit in an underground cable (nobody was hurt): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PT-DTVa3YAQ

[mint summit]

were there no surge protectors or places where fibre isolated the switches?

very expensive incident 🫣

[austere jay]

Anyone who has this, DO NOT UPDATE to 2.8 beta and DO NOT enable the HUB. it is very early days I know, but after enabling the hub, even if you revert back to coordinator mode, Z2m refuses to connect. I had to revert to 2.7.1 for Z2m to work again. Also device support is going to be an issue, especially with Tuya devices. I tried 2 double switches, one of them binded both 2 lights together, and a PM plug, which didn't want to turn on, and PM info was useless

[kind falcon]

Nothing like that, we inherited the infra and as you can probably guess no one willing to listen to suggestions since thats expensive. On top of it all of the cabling had to be replaced too.

[solar zealot]

Don't buy tuya devices in the first place ^^

[limber verge]

Anyone else with a Voice PE have issues with music through music assistant spluttering then stopping? I've noticed it's always in the same place on the same songs so it seems there's a decoding issue somewhere. I can't figure out if it's the Voice PE or music assistant itself to know where to raise the issue.

[kind falcon]

We all made that mistake 🙂

[mint summit]

perhaps I should pin the docker version so I don't get breaking changes

nah lets roll the dice

I should repurpose my robotics ESP32's to make a simple smart switch or temperature sensor or something

[kind falcon]

Anyone know where I can find the config files related to integrations?

[stuck anchor]

a friend of mine had her pc fried by a lightning strike in the broadband network back when they used coax. fried the tv box, the router, the surge protector and the pc. luckily she had bought the surge protector (with rj45 passtrough to protect the ethernet as well) from the insurance company, so no problem getting it covered.

[deft pewter]

Someone in a support channel might know. Try #1284966582375813201

[stuck anchor]

i don't know how common it is, but in norway we do not have a neutral and a live on the mains power. they are usually just two phases of a 3 phase feed, and as such they are both live compared to ground. that means a lot of imported surge protectors have no effect, as they are designed for one line to be neutral.

[deft pewter]

Interesting. We don't have much 3-phase in the UK.

[stuck anchor]

it is not uncommon here to have 3-phase into homes. and even when you don't have what you get is 2 phases from the 3 phase out in the street.

[kind falcon]

I wonder if that has anything to do with your history of hydroelectrics in your country.

Iirc norway is famous for that

[stuck anchor]

power has been cheap until we got hooked up to the european grid. now our prices are controlled by the hourly rates at nordpool

our power is also near 100% "clean"

[kind falcon]

unlike germany 😛

Close nuclear power facilities > run on coal when the sun doesnt shine. Absolutely genius

[stuck anchor]

germany is getting renewable at a high pace, isn't it? but there is a lot to cover...

and closing nuclear was perhaps not a wise choice

[kind falcon]

The kwh prices went through the roof last months when the sun didnt shine and there was no wind

Like parabolic

[stuck anchor]

there is a lot of talk about setting up one of those small nuclear "all-in-one" power stations in norway. the politicians are not saying yes yet, but some planning is being done.

[kind falcon]

Yea those are great

[stuck anchor]

i know! it hit our prices badly. the weather in germany affects electricity prices in norway more than the norwegian weather...

[kind falcon]

I like the modular idea, just add bricks for more power.

[stuck anchor]

and you can set up n+1 for redundancy

[kind falcon]

Too bad nuclear power got such a bad rep. We could have been producing so much energy that no one has a clue what to do with it.

In a weird way the 'green' people caused global warming

[stuck anchor]

this is just the tail end of it. it started with the industrial revolution. you can clearly see the earths temps start climbing from then

[deft pewter]

I think we'll start to see it more. I'm sure the supply is 3-phase right up until it enters the property. We just don't use all 3. We're about to have an EV charger fitted and I'm half expecting them to upgrade the supply.

[kind falcon]

No I mean that if we went full nuclear a couple of decades ago it might just be that we would hardly use fossil fuels in the present.

[deft pewter]

Yes. More nuclear please.

[stuck anchor]

i'm thinking that when i renovate my west wall i want to check with the power company if they can just install 3 phase into the house and hook 2 phases to the existing setup. just let the third cable be ready for when i get the internal wiring redone.

[kind falcon]

There was just too much political pressure from the same group that is now full on banning fossil fuels. I hold them in part responsible for the mess we are in now.

[stuck anchor]

it would at least have helped a lot. now if we could find a safe way to run planes on nuclear...

[kind falcon]

Well if you have plenty of power you can easily store it in hydrogen.

[stuck anchor]

hydrogen has a tendency to go boom, though...

[kind falcon]

If a plane crashes it doest matter anyway 😛

[stuck anchor]

may not be deemed safe enough for aircraft for a while still

[deft pewter]

The planes themselves don't need to be nuclear. Use green fuel, and create that fuel using nuclear-generated energy from the grid.

Nuclear -> electricity -> hydrolysis -> burn hydrogen?

[stuck anchor]

there are two competing companies in the uk who both have technologies to create fuel from co2 in the air and sunlight. but they are both kind of struggling with scaling the production to a level where it can be sold. that would be co2 neutral gas for your existing engines.

[kind falcon]

It costs a sh*tton of electricity but nuclear and perhaps fusion can do that. I like having solar panels so I don't pay for my fridge in the summer but it is not going to propel us into the future. If anything we need WAY more energy for the next century.

[stuck anchor]

and those suggestions about harvesting energy in space using big solar panels and pumping it down to earth... the laws of thermodynamics would make it clear that that will not fix the heating problem 😄 if anything we need to leak more heat out into space.

[kind falcon]

I can only imagine the world we would be living in. Image industrial processes at a mere fraction of the current price

[kind falcon]

Beam it down with microwaves 😛 Physics allows us to do this. And yes indeed at some point we will be producing too much heat. But we are far from that.

https://www.youtube.com/@isaacarthurSFIA/videos This guy has some fantastic and totally insane ideas about what the laws of physics would allow us to do. Mirrors in space for example. Farming stars etc.

[stuck anchor]

even a tesla needs some oil/grease for lubricating moving parts, so it's hard to see us shutting down oil production completely.

[primal laurel]

e-fuels are mostly used as an argument by fossil fuel companies to just keep doing what we have always been doing, its a wolf in sheeps clothing

[deft pewter]

Synthetic oil works. We don't need to keep extracting crude oil.

[solar zealot]

That's what people want you to believe that oil is needed for maintenance

This post was brought to you buy manufacturing industries

[kind falcon]

If that would be all the oil we need we could go for 1000s of years.

[deft pewter]

Some form of oil is needed. It just doesn't have to be drilled out of the ground.

[stuck anchor]

agree. we would still need a little.

[deft pewter]

I only used synthetic with my last ICE car

Doing my (small) part 😄

[kind falcon]

Plastics however bad at time are amazing materials and are critical for many different things.

[solar zealot]

Can sell more stuff when it breaks faster

Only oil allowed is for belts in oil baths

[stuck anchor]

and while synthetic oils can be made more eco friendly than mineral oil the reality is that they usually contain a lot of additives that are really bad for the ecosystem

[primal laurel]

using electricity to do work will always be more efficient anyway. That's you you get the primary energy consumption down, electrify everything. Take heating for example, a boiler outputs about 1 kWh of heat for every 1 unit of gas put in (in kWh). A heat pump will do 3-4 kWh of heat for every 1 kWh electrical input

[solar zealot]

Would require investment into infrastructure that costs more than 0$

Someone think about the children profits

[primal laurel]

here's the number of frost days in the netherlands. RIP iceskating

[mint summit]

time to strap a grounding rod to my server rack lol

[stuck anchor]

the problem with electricity is efficient storage that is also ecological. hydro power can be produced on demand. not so with wind and solar

[primal laurel]

That's why we're building a lot of grid level storage. In NL we have no options to build hydro plants

[stuck anchor]

batteries are still terribly inefficient and messy to produce. we will get there though

[primal laurel]

Inefficient? In what way

[stuck anchor]

i'm thinking that in norway it would be interesting to use surplus energy to pump water back up to the dams.

[stuck anchor]

there is too much energy loss still. but there are technologies on the horizon that look better

[primal laurel]

LFP has roundtrip efficiency of about 92%. It's not going to get much better than that

What technology can beat 92%?

[stuck anchor]

yes they fix a lot of the problems but production is still ramping up. a few critical problems also seem to have fixes now

[kind falcon]

In Switzerland they hollowed out a mountain and they pump water up the upper chambers during the day. During the night they drive turbines with the water pressure