the-water-cooler

[forest edge]

https://youtu.be/fETzalh27PM?si=U5tE8Ka9OcG092ek

i live in reality.. no time for this wishful thinking you all seem to suffer from

[abstract verge]

Man you really are ignorant. Hope you learn man, I've been there

[lone dagger]

Wishful thinking and living in reality can be done at the same time.

My wishful thinking counters a lot of people's, but I understand it does and also I have unrealistic standards.

[forest edge]

if speaking truths is ignorant.. ok then

[weak musk]

Wishful thinking coupled with action is way better than sucking current reality up and being miserable.

[abstract verge]

Speaking to your ignorance yes. You should understand afterall that sample size of one doesn't prove anything 🙂 Neither does proof about a broken business tax system in a discussion about HOUSE prices

[forest edge]

I posted proof that filling vacant properties causes taxes to go up. how about you post proof that filling vacant properties with tax paying squatters lower them

[primal laurel]

most people are stuck in echo chambers of their own making

[lone dagger]

[abstract verge]

I agree with this though so I think we should tie a mutually respecting end to this uhhh

Interesting

conversation

[hushed isle]

can we get DeepSeek on Home Assistant?

[weak musk]

We ALWAYS have a choice

Always.

[abstract verge]

FOR REAL

[primal laurel]

define 'get on'

[abstract verge]

What use does complaining have?!

Doesn't get yourself or society anywhere

[lone dagger]

Well, it does get your feelings out, which is a good start.

[abstract verge]

That's what therapists are for, not other people IMO

Just be positive even if things suck

[weak musk]

“Therapists aren’t people” - @abstract verge Jan 2025

[keen bridge]

I eat my feelings chocolate and then do ballet classes. Totally healthy.

[abstract verge]

I SAID OTHER PEOPLE 😭

[weak musk]

You could do way worse haha

[lone dagger]

Coffee and spite here.

[forest edge]

still waiting for anything lol

[lone dagger]

Hooboy is my sciatica acting up today.

Stretches after work it is, I guess.

[keen bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-yoga-self-care-cute-cat-yoga-mat-gif-19961681

Missy in a few hours!

[forest edge]

"You don't know enough to know what the hell you don't know" new fav quote lol

[weak musk]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-brian-baumgartner-kevin-malone-few-words-waste-time-gif-4759685

[lone dagger]

1.5 hours!

[lone dagger]

live image of @fathom sparrow

[unborn merlin]

but you're always here. /s

[lone dagger]

I leave my screen unlocked and use voice to text.

[unborn merlin]

lol

[fathom sparrow]

some get big mad with more word

less word good

[weak musk]

Hey siri, shit post

[lone dagger]

I don't actually do that, but if I did that's how I would.

Except when iOS 18 came, the accuracy of STT on my iPhone has significantly dropped...

[weak musk]

Don’t actually shit post? What reality do you think you’re in?!

[lone dagger]

[weak musk]

Perfect way to record half the information half as accurate

[lone dagger]

Auto transcribers used to be so good.

😩

We ruined the already ruined auto correct with this shit.

[weak musk]

Fair

[lone dagger]

Love when they post their porn server invites while I am actively on this window.

[forest edge]

missed.. anything good?

[static schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/surprised-meme-shocked-pikachu-pokemon-gif-16898675

I had no idea there was porn on Discord

Probably uses forum channels, so 🤮 🙂

[forest edge]

that would actually be a good use for that

[unborn merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/my-sweet-summer-child-sweet-summer-child-game-of-thrones-gif-19977020

[lone dagger]

I'll be sure to save the link for you next time. 😉

[iron granite]

We could set up a porn channel to save those posts for interested people.

[iron granite]

What could possibly go wrong?

[lone dagger]

Well, for one, I'd have to amend the rules.

Unless we're doing this as a honey pot.

In that case - y'all saw nothing.

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/alf-rules-rules-rules-rules-rules-are-rules-gif-26155968

[forest edge]

isn't 9 stops outside your city limits?

[keen bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/roz-monsters-inc-alwayswatching-gif-17198131331509824195

Someone said monster. Hence monsters Inc

Also, it's kind of part of my role.

[static schooner]

The life of a modster

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/the-god-father-marlon-brando-vito-corleone-talk-to-me-gif-15301428513223000890

Someone said mobster?

[keen bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/luca-changretta-peaky-blinders-mafia-italian-gif-8283674910861859030

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/godfather-thegodfather-offer-propose-convince-gif-9420452

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/weekend-gif-20369684

[lone dagger]

Oh my gods WE HAVE VISITORS

My dog is losing her shit. 😂

[weak musk]

that's a lot of visitors

[lone dagger]

There are 4 of them (that crawled out) and I am not sure if they have been living under our patio or not.

It would make sense, it's a covered space and it's been below freezing for a week now.

[weak musk]

Probably in your attic gnawing on that electric line that keeps flickering

[lone dagger]

Pearl has been very interested in something under the patio for several days now, I've had suspicions.

They normally aren't day walkers!

[weak musk]

https://tenor.com/view/myth-rabies-three-americans-the-office-steve-carell-gif-14674100

[peak slate]

If it's a day walker, steer clear

[lone dagger]

She's stupid enough to try something, too.

[keen bridge]

New repair people!!

[lone dagger]

They're here to replace the dishwasher that's leaking again.

-# That's actually getting replaced tomorrow. Funny timing.

[forest edge]

oh good.. my package did arrive

I get 3-5 images every single night for these damn things going up and down the drive

[lone dagger]

They're so FLUFFY. Thanks for sharing the love.

[forest edge]

not an option

[forest edge]

no idea wtf you are talking about

[weak musk]

Ubiquiti product

[static schooner]

And fast! I wonder how they get from middle-of-nowhere USA to PNW each day

[solar zealot]

when raccoon

[lone dagger]

Just need to make sure @last cedar doesn’t miss this amazing event.

We went out to pick up our son from school a few minutes early - there are paw prints around the water source and they brought the dog’s tennis ball onto the patio. 🥹

[static schooner]

maybe the raccoons can play fetch with the dog

[lone dagger]

I think the dog will try to find their squeaker first.

[primal laurel]

is it me or is it really not clear when a sensor is disabled, looking at the device overview?

[forest edge]

you got to film yourself feeding them hotdogs before letting @last cedar know

[lone dagger]

My husband is being a party pooper and saying I shouldn’t encourage them.

[red rock]

Reject husband, embrace raccoon

[primal laurel]

If not fren, why fren shaped?

[forest edge]

well if you do start feeding them, they won't ever go away and will grow in numbers lol

[lone dagger]

Well I don’t intentionally feed them. It means we need a raised feeding solution. Away from the trees. And fence. I have no idea how I’m gonna do this yet.

They came for the leftover peanuts for the crows.

[primal laurel]

so you will have an army of raccoons and crows? Nobody should wield such power

[forest edge]

all fun and games till they find a way into your attic and you hear them in the walls at night

[lone dagger]

Landlord’s problem.

[forest edge]

do they have good hearing?

[solar zealot]

American houses where there is no wall inside the wall

[lone dagger]

The raccoons or my landlord?

[forest edge]

the landlord. trying to understand how it's thier problem lol

[solar zealot]

You are technically feeding the raccoon and the landlord

[lone dagger]

Oh because it’s their responsibility to take care of if it happens.

[forest edge]

well if they find out you been feeding them.. it reverses lol

[solar zealot]

You can catch them and put them into the landlords house

They have more food

[iron granite]

Time for a rabies vaccination?

[static schooner]

What if the landlord finds their way into your attic?

[lone dagger]

That’s why I know I gotta move the food lol. I don’t want to harm them but also I know I shouldn’t make it easy for them.

[forest edge]

crows won't eat from bird feeders?

I guess stuff does get knocked to the ground

could put in a catch tray

[lone dagger]

That man can’t understand simple plumbing, I doubt he’d climb into the attic.

[lone dagger]

Yep that’s the plan. Just where it goes is still tbd.

Oh no he does not know.

[forest edge]

bedroom with opened window is probably what they would prefer

[lone dagger]

He won’t even listen to the ACTUAL plumbers.

(He’s not a dumb man, just cheap and won’t listen to experts sometimes.)

[forest edge]

experts sound like $$. can't blame him lol

[primal laurel]

liar

[weak musk]

Drone

”Fortunate Son” intensifies

[lone dagger]

😂

[unborn merlin]

landlords count as man?

[lone dagger]

Well, mine does.

Can’t speak for others.

[primal laurel]

yeah? how many fingers do you have huh?

[steady lodge]

Question, is restoring a backup meant to restore automations and stuff?

[iron granite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/744321107250774079/1272495162387468288/AI_Inquisition.gif

[static schooner]

yes, a full backup restores everything. #1284966540617449515 for more

[steady lodge]

How do you know when it's done?

Just one more question, as I think I'm stuffed but want to check, if you delete an automation, that's gone right? Like it doesn't go to a recyle bin by any chance?

[primal laurel]

#1284966540617449515

[steady lodge]

OK nvm

[forest edge]

to be young. https://youtu.be/Veypz28s0yU?si=atrxRulEOv-IP_66

[unborn merlin]

"young" and "afford living in a house"

[forest edge]

converting part of a steel barn into livable area would be way cheaper than any house

but to actually live in that, you would have to be young

[solar zealot]

to convert a barn into a house... sounds like someone wants a decade of work with the local authorities for repurposing a property

[forest edge]

that barn without the furnishings could be built in MO this year between 130-150k easily

[solar zealot]

Well yes that's usually not where people would sleep in barns in the first place tho

ouch

[forest edge]

ever try leaving your house?

then you won't ever find land to build a bardo

what does dirt go for in those parts?

yea ks dirt is cheaper lol

[solar zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/tim-eric-discount-prices-gif-10398407

[forest edge]

if you can get dirt here for cheap i'd jump on it

shit only goes up stupid in value every year here anymore

@tidal bronze oh shit did you get busted? https://youtu.be/QRLaAYZvfXo?si=QhiIRWxf_Ema0Pi8

[dire cobalt]

Where is my HACs? Can’t find it!

Nvm, had to refresh from the Device and services menu. It had an error…

[pseudo isle]

ahoy. anyone aware of a decent IR code db? my new projector isn't in the harmony db and previous models aren't working 😦

[unborn merlin]

https://github.com/probonopd/irdb maybe? 🤷‍♂️

[pseudo isle]

thanks, no dice there. looking at the global cache control tower, though

[forest edge]

can't the harmony's read from other remotes?

[unborn merlin]

isn't harmony not even supported anymore by logitech? 🤷‍♂️

[weak musk]

Pretty much. When the servers go down the remotes will stop working

[unborn merlin]

https://github.com/Lucaslhm/Flipper-IRDB/tree/main/Projectors

A flipper IRDB.. dunno how much it overlaps tho 😄

[pseudo isle]

the hubs can, but not the remotes

at least not mine

[pseudo isle]

this is wrong. the remotes are still being supported, just not sold, and they'll continue to work even if they pull down the servers. re-configuring them might be an issue - i believe logitech forces a sign in at the moment

[unborn merlin]

assuming they don't sabotage them and try and force to a new fuck-you-pay-us sort of thing..

[pseudo isle]

sadly there is no decent alternative

sofabaton et al seem to pale in comparison

[unborn merlin]

yeah its a bit annoying.. 🤔

[pseudo isle]

current frontrunner for me if mine die or are eaten is probably https://flirc.tv/products/skip1s-remote-universal-remote-control?variant=43489094729960#BuyUpgrade

[weak musk]

Reconfiguring will be an issue as soon as the servers come down. So yeah, as long as you never change your hardware and the remote doesn’t fail you’re fine. Which is not realistic for most people.

[pseudo isle]

yes, we agree. saying "the remotes will stop working" is not accurate, that's all

[unborn merlin]

looks interesting. wish it had a touchscreen though a bit for some extra stuff..

not a horrible price tho

[glacial knot]

The fact that it's a marketing point to point out the lack of cloud reliance on an IR (+?) remote is depressing

[unborn merlin]

that's how it goes with most smart devices that are sold these days, yes

if only all companies.. could just do as shelly does

they've got their cloud.

And its entirely optional by default...

[dawn badge]

shelly are building themselves as the "slightly more expensive but you get what you pay for" position in the market. which is a clever position to take. allows them to slowly build without having to heavily and directly compete at ethier end of the market. just sit in the middle and be reliable

[glacial knot]

We can only hope for the EU here

[unborn merlin]

its really not even that much more expensive..

though I really do wish we had some options from them for button-panels in the USA

[dawn badge]

yeah, its just slightly above the "cheap stuff"

[unborn merlin]

https://shelly.digital/product/shelly-wall-switch-4/

This thing I mean

its sized and etc for EU boxes, unfortunately.

[dawn badge]

is there any reason you cant use EU backboxes? it might look out of place and if/when you move the next person might be annoyed. but you could do it i guess?

i know a bit about how US electrical is done in thoery but i dont know that much about the codes/regulations

[ocean oar]

It is sometimes infuriating how different simple stuff like light switches can be in different countries.

[unborn merlin]

code most likely

[dawn badge]

maybe you could 3d print some kind of adapter bracket. i am sure there is a way around it that someone has come up with with the advance in smart home stuff

[unborn merlin]

most of our boxes are fucking messes in general

stupid fucking wire nut bullshit and such.

[dawn badge]

yup, all the electrictions in UK/EU are horrified by wire nuts

[unborn merlin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=83Mdnc7FyVY&t=0s

As they should be.

praise be wago connectors.

only an idiot would go

"Hey look copper work hardens.. You know what we should do to make connections? twist the everloving fuck out of the wires so if you ever have to change things later eat shit."

[ocean oar]

The one that really confuses me is why are y'all's light switches so damn big?

[unborn merlin]

because we're one of the stupid countries that uses 120v?

(probably)

[ocean oar]

It's not unheard of to have a plate with six switches on it in the space that a single one occupies in the US style

[unborn merlin]

like I said.

We're a stupid country.

[dawn badge]

is it more that you never updated your standards?

[unborn merlin]

there are more standards and etc now.

but end end-user-touching-stuff

is mostly just.. small toggle switches; or larger rectangle ones (decora style)

and of course we use 120v.. and branch circuits tend to be 15a.. so the switch has to be able to handle a full 120v@15a

[dawn badge]

as required by protocol i must now remind everyone that the UK plug is the best!

[ocean oar]

This is one of the common kinds of light switches we use here in NZ (one I bought today, to replace an old switch that's wearing out). Can get 1/2/3/4/5/6 switch plates in this design

[unborn merlin]

and the shelly 4-button thing is even smaller because it usese a shelly behind it wired to the switch to do the actual toggling and etc..

... so generally better unsurprisingly.

and that looks like a generally less obnoxious way of inserting the wires too.

extra fun idiocy on the US power system.

[ocean oar]

Love me some slotted screws

[unborn merlin]

the fucking backstab thing

on outlets that causes fires/is bad and etc.

backstabs being this stupidity on things

and yet the mfrs still have that bullshit included even these days when its highly not suggested to be used.

though we do have some newer plugs that have wago-style lever locks on them.

They're nice; more expensive.. but still nice

[last cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/rakuncuk-gif-20132793

[dawn badge]

we now have sockets that basically have wagos built in

[last cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/mobbed-raccoons-raccoon-sausages-man-gif-19231249

[unborn merlin]

slowly started doing that here, as well yes.

more expensive and etc yes.. but also just..

like..

[last cedar]

Ours are mostly push fit

[unborn merlin]

just do it christ its so much easier.

[last cedar]

Thinking like schneider exxact for example

Push a tab, table in, release tab

[unborn merlin]

normal push-fit is bad.. and has caused fires and etc in the USA (or at least thats what I always hear when they come up) because of low standards and tolerances in mfr..

[dawn badge]

thats definetly less bad they the normal us ones 🙂

[unborn merlin]

whereas lever-lock ones.. use the same "sort" of locking mechanism on the wire, but its spring-loaded more properly by the levering mechanism..

if I touch a box in my house.. I tend to swap to wagos whenever possible because I hate wire nuts with a burning passion.. 😄

[dawn badge]

wait till you have to have an electicition do something and they are old school and start complaining about them and rip them out and put in nuts 😛

[unborn merlin]

thats when I use my nice engineer sidecutters to start cutting their shit

😛

https://www.amazon.com/Engineer-NS-04/dp/B000TGJSWG

Snip snip.

also have to strip less goddamn wire when using wagos too.. 😐

[dawn badge]

we have some issues here with older elctricitons not wanting to wire light switches with neutrals because its not how they have done it for "xyz years"

having neutrals at switches is now "recomended" but its not "required"

[unborn merlin]

https://www.reddit.com/r/electricians/comments/gs0avw/shhhh_post_european_panels_while_americans_are/

Sobs in shitty american panels.

[unborn merlin]

I will stab a motherfucker if I catch them ever doing this near me.

😐

I've run into stuff done by the same goddamn person at someones house I do work at.. and their office

same bullshit repeatedly

and yet there is like.. 10 gauge or 12 gauge run everwhere for lights

but no, couldn't use a saner gauge and run proper goddamn wires.

[dawn badge]

the panel at my place is a total mess. the person that fitted it had no pride. and i have found issues all over the house as i have been fitting stuff

[unborn merlin]

whats worse, a panel with no labels or a panel where people never updated labels as service was done/breakers were doubled up?

ahhh reddit.. 🤣

[dawn badge]

at that point its time to have it ripped out and replaced

[unborn merlin]

house I'm currently in..

has no subpanels at all.

and it really fucking should've had at least one.

roasted. 🙃

[dawn badge]

i had so much trouble fitting CT clamps because it was such a mess

[unborn merlin]

yeah its a little annoying how horrendously large those clamps are though

relative to the wire thats going inside of them usually.

[dawn badge]

to be fair i could have used smaller clamps. those go up to 120A

i could have used 50A ones but i didnt want to have to keep in mind what goes where. so if i move stuff around and i have full house tracking which could peak over 50A i can use whatever

it wouldnt have been an issue if the box was neat but whatever i squeesed it in

[glacial knot]

Thats a lot of fault protection

[glacial knot]

That one

[unborn merlin]

sounds like a good thing? 🤷‍♂️

[glacial knot]

This one confuses me

[glacial knot]

Yea, just surprising
Though I'm also not quite sure if there are weird effects with some of those breakers in series

[spiral kraken]

How do I determine what ARM version my RPi is running HA with?

[dawn badge]

there has been a spike in dodgy DIY electrical work done in UK which is suggested to be linked to the "cost of living crisis". I may not be fully qualified but i also know what i can do safely. some people... not so much

[glacial knot]

ssh in and run uname -m

[dawn badge]

or look up the spec of the pi your using?

[glacial knot]

I know how to overspec for safety.
Which is what I care about more than cost efficiency

You can run armv7 on the V8 hardware

[dawn badge]

yeah i tend to lean that way too

[glacial knot]

And it has long been the suggested variant. For reasons

[spiral kraken]

So is "armv7l" 32 bit?

[glacial knot]

Yea

Not even hf o.0

[spiral kraken]

Weird, could have swore I installed 64 bit when I last set it up, but maybe 32 bit was still recommended at that time. Im not able to update Node-Red addon so thought maybe it was a bug since I thought I was already on 64 bit

[unborn merlin]

we have ancient bullshit in our electrical system and it very rarely ever updates or improves.

the only semi recent stuff I can think of is like

SPAN smart panels.

but even then; its fairly limited as to "improvements"

its nicer yes.

but also just like.. still.

and that thing is more of course less about the stuff you can visibly see

and more about whats behind things that enables smart shit like current monitoring/etc

[glacial knot]

Why does it need fans?

[unborn merlin]

https://www.span.io/panel

full current monitoring, 32 controllable circuits, etc.

[glacial knot]

Ohh, that's the span
It looks so clunky

[unborn merlin]

I mean consider that its back panel probably has a fuckheap of current transformers in it?

and relays; I imagine

if not relays; then SSRs (and thus even more expensive..)

https://leviton.com/products/residential/load-centers/the-leviton-smart-load-center

Leviton (a more stable company I guess) also has one

[ocean oar]

Honestly, you can only polish a turd so much...

[red rock]

I thought this said "i had less than 3 hours of sleep, good morning"

[glacial knot]

Less than 3 good mornings left for this year

[primal laurel]

Kinda true as well

[last cedar]

I should consider buying a bit of land up there @clear ferry looks nice

Half a mountain maybe

[forest edge]

everything looks nicer when you cover it in snow

[last cedar]

You mean trash, right?

[last cedar]

Exactly

I assume the monocle is on the other eye

[forest edge]

sonofa

need to look up bear traps

[desert cave]

lmao.. the tuya outlets I have are starting to fail.. because of course they are

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/dumping-trash-daniel-labelle-frustrated-garbage-trash-gif-27186872

[sudden heath]

where do I ask question about remote access over VPN?

[clever mortar]

We do have #find-support and #1284976732428046461 😉

But, sounds like || #1284966540617449515 ||

[last cedar]

My mates?

[mint summit]

I can help you but you need to create a thread in installation so that we can talk without cluttering the general chat

[next aurora]

So I got a friend into HA, he's hooked. He's smart but not super into computers, now he's asking me if it's possible and how to create a shared family calendar on HA, synced to their phones. I've only used the HA calendar for automations, and a quick search shows me that people usually just sync their google calendars to HA, but he'd like to have HA as the "source", let's say.
If I were to do it, I'd spin up a docker container with a calDAV server of some kind, but his whole infrastructure is the single Pi 4 running HA. Suggestions?

[last cedar]

First suggestion is to put a thread in another channel, but it sounds like a very interesting project!

I would imagine that #1284966582375813201 would be the correct channel

[sudden heath]

OK. I'll create a thread in installation.

[fathom sparrow]

That is a ton of work in HA and IMO it's not there yet.

it can be done, but not for a guy who isn't super into computers, if you catch my drift

[raw flax]

So I recently got into HA and now had multiple ideas that ended up in me staying up until 3 AM to fix and optimize yaml code and piping outputs through 5 different things just to get it to HA so I can use an Automation to apply hs values to other lights and ending up with a 20 seconds delay

So it's a mix of fun and frustration

[dawn badge]

ouch, you know where the delay is coming from?

[raw flax]

Probably from the way my code is detecting changes.

triggers:
 - entity_id: light.source
   for:
     milliseconds: 100 #to not kill my target lamp or have it flash around a lot
   trigger: state

Running the automation after a change happened gets rid of a lot of delay but is wasteful if no change happened

[dawn badge]

should probably start a thread in #1284980040940912641 to be fair with more info and maybe can help there

[raw flax]

https://discord.com/channels/330944238910963714/1333797681138630696

[slender folio]

I'm not sure where to ask (hardware ?) So since this is named water cooler :
Are there any smart flowmeters ? Can't seem to find any, maybe not using the right search terms

[iron granite]

#1284966353798697001 with the "Recommendation" tag

[slender folio]

Thanks, added it here #1333813587646484540 message

[lone dagger]

An acquaintance in another server uses me as an ADHD advice source and just told me that he was told there was a IT service policy at work but he's never seen it and I am just like how do y'all function like that.

The answer is they run pretty toxic.

[glacial knot]

IT service policy..?

[lone dagger]

Yeah, the policy that describes how their IT functions.

[dawn badge]

sounds like one of those things they use to fire people on technicalities that they don't know exist or maybe didnt exist until they wanted a reason to fire someone

[lone dagger]

Yep, that's my perspective on this, too. Really easy to say "this is policy" when you don't have a policy to point to.

This guy is trying to get everyone to submit tickets through Jira because that is how they should handle work. But like most IT people, he gets pinged all the time for one offs.

[dawn badge]

eek, some workplaces are just awful

i think we all have a few to be fair. some more than others

[lone dagger]

And sometimes you don't see how bad it truly is until someone points it out.

[dawn badge]

yeah sometimes you need someone on the outside to say "WTF"

but thats when the NDA handcuffs go on

Good 🙂

[hoary iris]

Is this the general

I will assume it is 🫡

God bless

new to this and IoT stuff is a pain in terms of privacy

why must it be this hard

Yeah, but with things like robot vacuums it's awful

fun but awful

I know some lightbulbs are cloud-based and Zigbee-capable, there's still some fear that they can connect to the internet and send data.

hence why I posted about this since I'd like something that has no cloud capabilities tbh

until I manage to make a proper networking setup with separate networks and traffic control, for now I'm a pleb

ye, installed it on one of them

taking apart a SH robot is honestly dreadful

this weekend hopefully I will root the Dreame too

[austere anchor]

Huh. I had never seen or considered something like this existed. I ended up just buying a bump-and-run vacuum that is controlled via RF. Good to know!

[stuck anchor]

as long as you check that the zigbee devices you want are supported by zha or zigbee2mqtt and you set up your ha server as their coordinator you are all good privacy-wise. zigbee gadgets get cloud integrated if you bind them to their proprietary hub and app. bad for privacy and for latency. as long as ha controls them directly they just can not leak to the cloud. zigbee protocol is too simple for that.

[jovial fog]

hey, all. I'm new to home assistant as of today. Was hoping to expand my automation capabilities, but all lof my zigbee and z-wave devices are currently controlled through a Smartthings hub. I've been reading about the changes that samsung made to their api keys and looks like that's the main problem. Is there a preferred workaround? I've seen a couple online, but not really knowledgable enough about home assitant to know what the best option is

[red rock]

Wait until there is a solution

Or migrate to another zwave and zigbee solution

[weak musk]

#1284966617670881350 with the zigbee and zwave tags can get you some specific suggestions that would let you get rid of the SmartThings hub. I also started with SmartThings

[hoary iris]

It seems I can get a NOUS P3Z Smart RGB E27.
That paired with an RPi 4 that runs Home Assistant on a K3s cluster that has a Sonoff Dongle attached to it, would this be a decent way to start?

[jovial fog]

Is thhere any kind of timeline? I was really hoping to use Home assistant to set up some fun score-based automations for our superbowl party.

[red rock]

Not yet

I'm waiting on Samsung now

[glacial knot]

We should get a list of industry contacts here for nabu casa
We got to have at least one person working there

[jovial fog]

bats doos. Samsung had to go being difficult lol. Well in that case, maybe it's time to say goodbye to smartthings altogether and migrate

[red rock]

What

[weak musk]

Hes suggesting someone probably works at Samsung. If that’s the case he’s suggesting that may be a way to get traction.

Someone here

[red rock]

But I'm already in good contact with them 🙂

[glacial knot]

Yea, Poke the beast from the inside
But if you are already in a working relationship, even better

[jovial fog]

Why'd they switch? Just better security?

[stuck anchor]

just check that you get the right sonoff dongle. or maybe get the nabu casa one. i bought the one from nabu casa because i expect firmware upgrades on it to be well integrated and to support them for the work on ha.

[hoary iris]

This cute wee thing?

[red rock]

yes

[stuck anchor]

yes. that's the one. just make sure you don't get from the first batch after they changed the name from skyconnect. there are pinned messages about a hardware issue and exchange. mine is too old for that problem

[hoary iris]

Noted, I'll take this into account, thanks a lot!

[lone dagger]

Your use of "bats doos" made me burst out laughing. Thank you for that.

[wary cargo]

I hate this discord forum thing seem like no one really helps now was so much better as just channels tbh bad move to change to this.

[static schooner]

ok

[hoary iris]

I think the forums are overdone here

[static schooner]

ok

[hoary iris]

typically a dedicated help forum and then separated channels are cool

[static schooner]

this would be better in #botspam

[hoary iris]

but idc it's a neat server anyway

[hoary iris]

womp womp

[iron granite]

@static schooner I think we have to pull the dead horse out of the corner again.

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jackson-beat-it-choreography-dance-80s-music-gif-20426981

[wary cargo]

Toxic i see this channel

[iron granite]

No. "Toxic" is Britney Spears, not Michael Jackson.

[wary cargo]

This used to be a helpful good server now its barren and the devs that hung out in the channel have all gone. Was a good resource now it not helped ever since the change

[iron granite]

[wary cargo]

Seems I'm not the only one who thinks so either

https://www.reddit.com/r/homeassistant/s/bcFqLLHHqm

[hoary iris]

tho if you scroll through the channels you see a shitton of posts

so

it makes sense

happens

[primal laurel]

I don't like it either, but posting here complaining about it doesnt really help

[wary cargo]

Neither does sticking your head in the sand.....

[primal laurel]

but to be honest I think that discord in general is a shitty way to provide support because nothing is indexed and you end up answering the same questions over and over again

[iron granite]

Your opinion has been heard. But we will not tolerate beating the dead horse to no end.
You either cope with it and maybe provide productive feedback (there is a thread for feedback) or you are free to leave.

Nobody is forcing you to be here.

[lone dagger]

No one is sticking their heads in the sand. They're telling you things are the way they are.

I cannot please 100% of 130,000 people. 🙂

[iron granite]

@primal laurel That wasn't for you

[wary cargo]

Why not make a poll and put it back the way it was if people vote for it

[lone dagger]

Because there is no need to. Activity has been up, the people who help have expressed gratitude for the organization, and the devs have their own quiet space to work on things related to developing the project.

I get this isn't for everyone. There have been about 2 dozen people who make the same complaints about this.

[iron granite]

-# out of about 135k

[wary cargo]

Scrolling through peoples posts for help i see 95% of them unanswered before I saw people helping all the time in channels like zwave etc

[lone dagger]

🆗

[fathom sparrow]

"hey look at this discord server rant on reddit, let me go and rant on discord, that's a great idea"

[iron granite]

What could possibly go wrong?

No dessert for you today! 🍮

[lone dagger]

You only have 24 personalities? Wow I thought it was way more.

[glacial knot]

what are you doing with those ESPs?

[lone dagger]

Supposed to be making e-paper dashboards.

[glacial knot]

uhh, neat

do Nabu Casa employees get to expense their smart home stuff?

[lone dagger]

My sister doesn't do well with notification reminders that can easily be dismissed (or hidden, thanks to how iOS is) so we think getting her to stay organized with a visual will help out.

[lone dagger]

We have a budget as a perk, yes! We mention it on every job posting we open.

[primal laurel]

activity can be up simply because the community is growing as well so that's not the greatest argument

[glacial knot]

yea, I'm quite ok with my current job, so not actively looking

[lone dagger]

We've held a fairly steady amount of members - with about an average of 15 people leaving daily and around 80 joining daily.

[primal laurel]

sure, but if you correct for total nr of members do you see the same trend?

still not apples to apples but at least better than comparing the raw numbers

[lone dagger]

You mean all time joins?

[glacial knot]

how is 65 net new per day steady?

[lone dagger]

It's actually increased joins over the past month, I'll say. November shows an average more like 55 joining.

[glacial knot]

christmas gifts

[primal laurel]

current number of 'active' users. If the new style is working, then I expect the same number of users would have more interactions

[glacial knot]

Indeed I didn't

spent enough on my own gifts

[lone dagger]

There are different ways Discord breaks down activity. Visitors have been slowly increasing (meaning people come check 1 channel), communicators have held fairly steady (meaning people who sent at least 3 messages or has spoken in a voice channel) - but the latter is below what Discord considers its benchmark. This reads to me that while membership is slowly increasing, the same people are the most active still. Message activity has always been well above benchmark, we seem to have an average of 20 messages per person who sends them. However, if looking at new member activations, I see that of those 80 who join every day more than half are visiting multiple channels but talking is very much in line with how much the regular community does.

I will also state that the support channels most active are integrations and addons, and the cloud channel is the least active.

Yeah, it's mostly for the support team to catch people who may not email us.

[glacial knot]

mail

y'all accept snail mail complaints?

[iron granite]

The templates one is used less than I expected.

[glacial knot]

do people not use templates? o.0

I mostly wanted to make a joke about how hard it is to use them correctly without help

[jovial fog]

Lol, I have a little one at home so have to get creative lol

[lone dagger]

related-tech is getting a slight makeover.

[weak musk]

https://tenor.com/view/bender-shutupbaby-iknowit-futurama-courtroom-gif-4885109

[static schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/makeup-maquillaje-homer-shotgun-marge-gif-15616269

[weak musk]

When you put it that way, I want a robot too

[jovial fog]

sign me up!

Frankly, I'd take one thaht just heaps things in the right basket... I gave up on throw blankets being folded long ago and just bought a big-ass basket for them... still can't get the boys to put them there

[glacial knot]

they are fun

[static schooner]

added benefit of warming things up

[glacial knot]

wdym you care about wrinkles?

[jovial fog]

Lol, I'd do that with the dryer and the dishwasher if it were just me.

[static schooner]

why burn your own calories for heat when you can use dinosaurs

[glacial knot]

why leave?

recently bought more cuttlery so it lasts until the dishwasher is full

ouch
also, delivery?

[ocean oar]

Doesn't adulting suck sometimes?

[glacial knot]

eh, there's worse

[static schooner]

Same with underwear and washing machine, along with aligning with socks

[nimble mulch]

Is there no beta this month?

[static schooner]

there is always a beta, and it starts on Wed

[hollow moat]

What's everybody using for physical control panels? cheap android tablets?

[nimble mulch]

I wish there would be a PoE Tablet

700€?

i had to add "affordable"

[weak musk]

have you tried making more money?

[ocean oar]

Some of the restaurants here have gotten real spicy with markup to cover what Uber Eats charges them.
The most hilarious one is one of the good pizza places; markup on the food is >40% in Uber Eats app, but if you order on their website (for a similar delivery cost), they use Uber to deliver it anyway 🤷‍♂️

[nimble mulch]

More?

[glacial knot]

oh yea, I have slightly more clothes than a full load. Intentionally

[weak musk]

the definition of affordable changes as your income increases.

[ocean oar]

I can't remember if it's the control4 ones, but one of the brands that is used for POS systems has pretty expensive support costs if you want to get updates

[glacial knot]

path of exile on android?

[nimble mulch]

I think I earn enough, still cannot justify the price tag for that

[hollow moat]

soon to be $700 * 1.25-2.00 smh

[glacial knot]

Not in €

[ocean oar]

Ah, it wasn't control4 I was thinking of, but this:
https://www.elotouch.com/touchscreen-computers-aaio4-22.html
Looks suuuper nice, but 4-figure pricetag

[glacial knot]

android 10 o.0

[hollow moat]

that thing wouldn't come within 300m of my network

[weak musk]

Let's play a game: I'm on the phone with my ISP, will they give me a discount or a free upgrade to gigabit for what I'm paying now?

[ocean oar]

If you threaten to leave they might 😄

[weak musk]

I am!

[hollow moat]

unfortunately in my part of the US you don't get a choice so the ISPs have you in a vice. Any threats to leave are hollow because they know you can't switch providers

[weak musk]

BOOM Discount AND Upgrade to a gig

I think I'll need to update my wifi to really take full advantage of this but whatev. 1gig with no datacap for 60 bucks/mo is still worth it.

[ocean oar]

Same here. But I'm refusing to do it until they let me have the non-shitty model of ONT.
There are two; one awful combined ONT/Router/WiFi device that they give to residential (which isn't wall mountable, and uses an absurd amount of power), and one nice ONT-only (one fibre in, one Ethernet out) that they usually only offer to business connections.

[jovial fog]

ugh, fiber isn't available here. I keep thinking every time they tear up the streets or grass that we might be able to get it, but noooooo

[solar zealot]

Same here unless you go with one of the shitty companies

The price is for all the speed but you don't get that hehe

[reef patio]

Hi, folks. I've tried to use HAS before...but I don't think I was using a powerful enough computer, or else, there was some other issue... however, I've been thinking --- I recently got a Start9 server, which if you don't know, it's designed to run...servers... to my mind, HAS OS would be a fantastic addition to the Start9 offerings. I mentioned this to them...and they recommended I share a link with you...

https://blog.start9.com/start9-marketplace-strategy/

If you wanted to (and I hope you do) you could join on their efforts and many more people could use HAS.

would be pretty slick. 😉

anyhow - that was my only reason to visit...I hope to use HAS on StartOS one day. I hope you'll consider making a package that could run on that...and I will look for it!

[keen bridge]

You need to tell them to get in touch with Nabu Casa most likely.

[forest edge]

@reef patiothat should be something anyone could add

[keen bridge]

This isn't a support channel. And most people here don't work for Nabu Casa.

[forest edge]

start9 is not any diffrent than casaos store etc

[reef patio]

not sure what you mean about nabu

but anyhow - it's something you could do if you wish.

[weak musk]

Nabu casa is the company that manages home assistant

[reef patio]

ohhh

Well then...where am I??

lol

[lone dagger]

In the right place, I promise. 😄

[fathom sparrow]

Typically, it's up to the maintainer of their system to add it to their ecosystem

i.e. start9 adds it, not HA

[reef patio]

Right, that makes sense petro

Well - Start9 manages their equipment; they have a team of developers; there are developers for each application that runs on the srver.

That's why Start9 told me to contact HAS

[fathom sparrow]

Then those are the guys you'd want to ask

the developers of teh application. Whoever manages their software

[lone dagger]

Yep, I would expect them to be the ones who build up the support for their product. However, an integration (custom, likely) being built into HA would work with us more.

[reef patio]

But apparently the HAS folks are not in here...

[lone dagger]

I am!

😄

[reef patio]

Oh!

lol, well forgive my confusion..

[lone dagger]

No worries, you aren't the only one who this confuses. 😄

[static schooner]

They walk among us...

[fathom sparrow]

Long story short, just like casa os, nixos, and all of the above, the people who run those "OS's" add HA to their ecosystem and keep it working with their systems.

[lone dagger]

It sounds to me like you are both asking for them to implement support for HA but also an integration in HA that supports start9. Am I correct?

[fathom sparrow]

It's like Docker Missy

it's an operating system that runs operating systems, it would run HA

[reef patio]

Start9 is a physical server

[lone dagger]

AHHHHHH okay

[reef patio]

It runs other server software on it

[lone dagger]

So would this be unsupervised?

[fathom sparrow]

🤷‍♂️

[reef patio]

They would be happy to integrate HAS, with your assistance.

[reef patio]

No...

you'd be in charge...

[lone dagger]

I agree then - should probably have them reach out to us to best help with that.

We have a partner email they can message.

[reef patio]

Okay - can you tell me that email and I will relay it to them?

[lone dagger]

I meant HAOS. 😅

[lone dagger]

Yeah! [e-mail] That will get them started, but probably won't be their last stop. 😄

[reef patio]

Yes, the HAS devs would 'join' the start team. 🙂

[reef patio]

That's fantastic - a starting place is all we need - thank you!!!

I told them. I hope one of them reaches out. 🙂

[lone dagger]

Perfect, I gave my team a heads up, too. 🙂

[reef patio]

thank you!

[midnight adder]

ive set up home assistant on my raspberry pi what are some devices i should look into to start my smart home

[lone dagger]

What do you want to control? I always say do a small project first to dip your toes in. It helps a lot.

I found doing contact sensors (door and window sensors) were the best for me to figure out how set up automations, helpers, and understand how to use entities. 😄

I started with a project to automate lights in my mud room. Starting with those ideas will help you know what devices to look more into. 😄

[midnight adder]

what is a mud room

[lone dagger]

Haha sorry

[reef patio]

I think it's where a person takes off their shoes.

[lone dagger]

It's a small room between the main house and a garage (most often) where people can take off their shoes and prevent mud getting in the rest of the house.

People kept leaving the lights on in there (curse of ADHD) so I got annoyed enough to want to make them never touch a light switch in there again. 😂

[midnight adder]

i have never heard of that in europe, maybe it happens to be an american thing

[lone dagger]

From what I have seen in here, it tends to be an American thing.

[midnight adder]

or at least ive never heard of it referred to as a mud room

[clear ferry]

Yeah I don't think I've seen a mudroom in Norway since 1920s architecture

[lone dagger]

I think someone said it had another name, but cannot recall clearly.

[weak musk]

coat room, mud room, foyer

[lone dagger]

Foyer tends to be front entrance, in my experience.

[weak musk]

yeah, mudrooms tend to be in the front in mine 🙂

[sage cedar]

Mud room in Canada

[midnight adder]

Maybe a porch in UK?

[sage cedar]

I've always seen a foyer as being more formal, I'm not much for front doors though.

[jovial fog]

mudroom here. Wish i had one. We walk from the detached garage into the kitchhen and that's not where I want piles of discarded shoes

[midnight adder]

Hello everyone

Is my friend rob here?

[weak musk]

there are over 100k people here, gonna have to be more specific.

[midnight adder]

Robc sorry

He’s a lovely man 🙂

I thought he might be able to help me with a question

I want to know if I buy a Bluetooth speaker will it work with my home assistant voice or do I need one of them cable things

[weak musk]

Great question for #1284966915055288530 with the voice pe tag. That said I think it depends on your use case. I'd recommend making a post and adding details about how you want to use the speaker with home assistant. @midnight adder

[clear ferry]

Classic Norwegian foyer

[jovial fog]

Yup! That would have been called a mudroom here. Love the sign

[midnight adder]

You are great ender thank you so much will write the post now 🙂 thank you

[lone dagger]

Mine has my washer and dryer in it.

[jovial fog]

omg,. that would be amazing! Dirty clothes straight into the wash!

[sage cedar]

Typical for farmhouses here.

[lone dagger]

It's super convenient when coming in. But it's also the farthest room away from the bedrooms. Double edged sword, lol.

[jovial fog]

We're in a townhome, so space is definitely limited. That said, I still would not have designed this house with the laundry room upstairs.

[weak musk]

I saw a house recently that was custom built by someone in the trades. The garage has a door to the laundry room, and the laundry room has a door to a full bathroom so they can ditch their nasty work clothes in the washer then shower before entering the main house.

[jovial fog]

oh that's awesome! I'm in colorado, so we get both snow and heat, so winter needs to deal with snowy muddy boots and summer has us running in from the neighborhood pool. Would love to have laundry and a shower right at the back entrance! Gotta have some place to hang wet stuff, and right now, it tends to be on a hook above the boot tray

[weak musk]

I'm also in CO, so I can relate to that.

[jovial fog]

Ahh, neighbors!

[lone dagger]

I grew up in CO.

I think we only really have a mud room here because we live in a "rural" area.

Lots of muddy nature trails within walking distance.

But also, rain. All the rain.

[stable steeple]

Does home assistant have anyway to add a "Color Wheel" to "Light Groups" so that we can get all of the bulbs to a specific color with the SAME options we'd have if we were just using a single bulb?

[iron granite]

And I thought Carbonmonoxide is deadly.

[primal laurel]

from CO to CO2

[weak musk]

https://tenor.com/view/ba-dum-tuss-jokes-gotcha-burn-ouch-gif-5645546

[lone dagger]

Kind of. I think it needs to be a scene? I could be wrong, and this could go into 2 support channels depending on which way things go. #1284980040940912641 if doing the scene, but #1284966582375813201 for Helpers.

[weak musk]

this is a light group

[lone dagger]

Your face is a light group.

[weak musk]

https://tenor.com/view/ba-dum-tuss-jokes-gotcha-burn-ouch-gif-5645546

[stable steeple]

When I create a light group (multiple bulbs), it only shows me "Slider bar" options... The only way I get that color wheel is for individual light bulbs

[weak musk]

(this is multiple bulbs) > make a post in #1284965988642590891

[stable steeple]

Why doesn't it give me options for that?

[weak musk]

make a post in ⁠#1284965988642590891

[young sigil]

There is a reason but as there is no support here you won't find out why. Please do as you have been repeatedly asked.

[lone dagger]

lol the dog goes through the back the most so the mud room doesn't help anyway. 😂

[weak musk]

Funky. I have space to add one at the front of our house but the quote I got was absurd. I'll most likely build it myself if we end up staying in this house

[stable steeple]

I just joined... I just saw the section for dashboards. Sorry, All

[weak musk]

regarding the slider locks SAME

Still using a chunk of wood in the track for "extra security" (rocks don't exist in my state)

[lone dagger]

Ah, we have hard floors in the entire house.

[sage cedar]

I'm still waiting for a slider lock that isn't flakey making you require a chunk of wood.

[weak musk]

I have non-newtonian floors in mine

[weak musk]

same, my point is that locks (especially on big glass doors) are just providing the illusion of safety. But a smart slider lock would be a nice convenience improvement.

[lone dagger]

tbf, a thief is going to look for the easiest way to access something - most won't break a window if they can avoid it.

They'll check your window and door locks first.

[weak musk]

a 2x4 to the face disagrees 🙂

lol yes and?

[weak musk]

yep. but you were comparing a 2x4 to a camera, not murder sooooo

[keen bridge]

I think you misspelt "clue by 4"

[weak musk]

that's a 50x100 for all my metric friends

[red rock]

what even does that mean

[weak musk]

she has a kid that she doesn't want to curse around

[red rock]

But what does it mean

bats doos

[weak musk]

"shit"

[keen bridge]

Guano!!

[lone dagger]

My mom used to say something similar, but she'd just say "guano".

JINKS lol

[weak musk]

I genuinely wasn't sure if using "guano" would confuse the conversation more

[solar zealot]

What kinda food is that

[sage cedar]

Ask my dog

[weak musk]

case in point

[solar zealot]

so like a case er ole?

[stuck anchor]

see that dinosaur there? his nickname is guano von schwanzheben

[jovial fog]

Agreed, but teens cussing offends people, and it's hard to make a hard stop there. I about died laughing when my sister's two year old asked to play with "his f****** numbers puzzle." When he was told he needed to use nice words to ask for things. His response was, "OK, mommy, play with my f******* numbers puzzle PLEASE."

Lol fair enough!

But I don't like fielding phone calls from the school lol, and I already have enough of those with him being too clever by half. The kid finds the most creative ways to get out of doing his work.

[sage cedar]

The trick is teaching them the value of time and place for such things, not an easy trick.

[jovial fog]

I mean, I can hardly blame him... if you get played by a first or second grader, that's kindof on you

[lone dagger]

This is what we do with our son. But then I let him make memes where he cusses. 😂

I use cussing as punctuation, it's very hard for me to restrain that for a long period. 🤣

[jovial fog]

That was a fun note from the school therapist, though... "I don't think he actually needs this much emotional support throughout the day..." No kidding, bro, you kept letting him out of class to come play Lego in the councelor's office.

[ruby osprey]

can i make an input_number slider update from a timer, so it appears to cound down as the timer counts down?

[weak musk]

#1284980040940912641 but also maybe #1284965988642590891 is your best bet

[ruby osprey]

thanks

what is the discord name for the speech bubble style "rooms" ?

as opposed to the # style

[shell basalt]

forums?

[ruby osprey]

i'm very much coming from IRC. I struggle with this paradigm

do i treat the "forums" as a chat? and ask whatever comes to mind?

[shell basalt]

oh right Threads

you treat them like forums .. you start a thread/post and people respond (hopefully since the threads here are meant for seeking help)

[ruby osprey]

ok, thanks @shell basalt

[dawn badge]

#1284965172053807145 is probably the best place. however as this seems urgent an idea might be. if you have the terminal addon running without protection mode you should be able to get into the addons docker shell (addons are just docker containers)

is there an "action" for it? can maybe call it manually in the HA dev tools?

[ocean oar]

Damn, was looking to see if you could connect from another machine with upscmd but the NUT add-on doesn't expose its port externally

It supports upscmd -u user -p pass upsname@host:port to connect across the network

But that would require the server to be listening 😐

[ember heart]

I just added the terminal add on and tried it on the command line:

[core-ssh ~]$ upscmd
bash: upscmd: command not found

😦

[dawn badge]

thats because you are not in the container that nut is in

[proud path]

Are HACS integrations typically still reliant on the brand’s cloud? Like for instance i have a GE cync light that i want to integrate into HA with HACS, does that light bulb still phone home?

[dawn badge]

some are reliant and some are not. but thats also the same with some core integrations. it really depends on the device and integration

[proud path]

so it would take some digging into code to find out definitively?

[dawn badge]

if it asks you for login details its a fair shout it connects to their server 😛

[proud path]

good point

[forest edge]

most (if not all) state rather they are cloud dependant or not in the documentation

[proud path]

in HACS docs or the lights themselves?

[forest edge]

well hacs are generally just git repos

[young sigil]

In the individual integrations.

[dawn badge]

quick google makes it seem local control is a thing. but cant be sure how things are done without knowing what integration your looking at. can you link it?

[proud path]

yup one sec

it asks for login so i’m pretty sure it talks to their servers https://github.com/nikshriv/cync_lights

[dawn badge]

yeah looks like it uses their cloud "Sign in with your Cync email and password"

[proud path]

damn, yeah i figured

i got these lights for free from my isp so i don’t trust them

[dawn badge]

looks like there is a project to be able to control it local only but you still have to connect to the cloud service initally to get the correct data to be able to talk to it

[proud path]

you referring to this one? https://github.com/baudneo/cync-lan

[dawn badge]

looks very painful - https://github.com/baudneo/cync-lan/
i wouldnt bother. just stick them in the cupboard and forget about them

🙂

[proud path]

in that case i’ll be in the market for some local control bulbs, or maybe plugs idk yet

[desert cave]

brb dropping this on work slack, lol

[forest violet]

easily! and for free (for now)

1. hacs - https://github.com/jekalmin/extended_openai_conversation

2. get a key at https://console.groq.com/keys

3. set up (1) with GroQ as the provider, deepseek-r1-distill-llama-70b as the model.

[desert cave]

if it's so much lighter, why not just run it locally? There's already demos of it running on a Pi5

[dawn badge]

depends on which version of the model you want to use i guess

[forest violet]

the smaller you make it, the crappier the results. although if all you need is to manage the home, sure.

[dawn badge]

yeah thats the question really i guess. how big of a model do you need to reliably have it do things in the home

[clear ferry]

All of it

Good thing i have 512GB of memory to spare

Should I bring home a H100 or a Intel 1100 Max

[glacial knot]

the intel card

[mint summit]

hello all. I just wanted to say that I'm really surprised that Advantage Air has native support in home assistant, especially considering how it is a pretty niche air conditioning company in australia

[solid sphinx]

Is the new HA Voice preview the best voice option (including DIY) right now?

[clever mortar]

I'd ask in #1284966915055288530

[mint summit]

same with airtouch

[midnight adder]

Define the best? Depends what your using it for, if your using it for privacy and wanting your data local it is up there and it is definitely top from the main stream ones

Just my opinion

🙂

[crisp oriole]

Oh great i had not my sql sb in my backup. But my php scripts created the tables if needed.

[orchid rose]

Oh neat, came here to check if anyone has looked into deepseek with HA and turns out they have indeed

[dawn badge]

if something exists then someone has probably tried to interface it with HA

[orchid rose]

pretty much lol

[solar zealot]

Unless it's tuya

I will not accept a reality in which people use their devices

[mint summit]

Would that just be using deepseek in ollama

[keen bridge]

Did y'all know there's a #machine-learning channel? 😉

[orchid rose]

yes that looks to be it. Didn't look into it yet and still want to figure out what I need from it and could I possibly run them locally

[solar zealot]

Likely more money is spent on machine learning than on human learning

[midnight adder]

Everyday I am learning but then I forget it the next day

[solar zealot]

[midnight adder]

I been in this chat a few days but I do love how helpful everyone is 🙂

So thank you everyone for your help over the last few days and putting up with my noob questions 😆

[ember heart]

Last night this chat saved my life (only slightly hyperbolic) O.o

[midnight adder]

Seems a great community 👍

[ember heart]

yup 🙂

[dawn badge]

wife spared you... this time

[ember heart]

short story on the "saved my life"- The APC UPS in the master closet that supports HAOS started screeching just as my wife was crawling into bed. @dawn badge patiently walked me through setting up NUT and finding the docker hosting it, and then getting a shell inside that docker so I could issue the "SHUT UP" command to the UPS! 😁😂🤣

Thanks again @dawn badge !! 👍🙂

I am still pretty incredulous no one has made a simple way to actually control the ups and not just monitor what its doing.

[dawn badge]

🙂 not a problem. cant have your WAF drop too low

[solar zealot]

This but ups

[midnight adder]

Sounds very complicated I know bits about what you say here but not enough to sort it out. I hope I never get these problems or I’ll be here for sure lol

[midnight adder]

😂😂

[ember heart]

It was pretty obscure- add in being tired and being under pressure and having the thing going BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE the whole time 🤦‍

[midnight adder]

And a nagging wife lol

[ember heart]

all in all my wife is very trechnically adept. she works in IT type field but the timing is what was causing the issue. I mean.. could it have gone off at 9am or so and that way I would have time to fix it.. nooooooo had to be just as we are getting into bed 😛

Her background in IT makes her very sympathetic to systems issues and she actually helps build some of the automations

[midnight adder]

It always happens at the wrong time orrr you just fixed something then it creates another problem nothing is simple in it

[ember heart]

its not her interest like it is mine, but she enjoys some of the automations and the convieniences- she'll suggest changes but thenI have to figure out the automatio logic as its not her "thing" ...

I'm not sure what was up last night.. I thin we had some weird power issues since I alsoi had one of my unraid servers go offline this morning too.. just stopped responding 🤔

[midnight adder]

I love playing with it stuff it gets me exited when it works lol

[midnight adder]

I have UniFi servers

Well server

[midnight adder]

I always try good old reboot

[ember heart]

I use unifi gear as well but for switching, firewall/router & WiFI, & Protect for video. I don't have their NAS unit...

[midnight adder]

It just works don’t it love it

[ember heart]

I've got a decent amount of time and effort and space in the three unraid boxes I have.. a little under 500TB total there 🙂

[midnight adder]

Wow I would love a nas

A proper nas

In future I will get it

[ember heart]

if you're doing small scale stuff, HAOS by itself can do a lot of what I am currently doing on unraid.. u can host almost the entire *arr suite and a media server and other utilities.. but having a boat load of managed storage is harder to do...

[midnight adder]

500tb is big lol

[ember heart]

I have a literal JBOD as the servers are 24 bay SAS boxes with lots of mis matched drives from years and years of collecting and upgrading PCs 🙂

[midnight adder]

I never done big stuff it’s a hobby for me I learn myself best I can

Space I not got lol I want to use the loft maybe 🙂 but don’t think I will be allowed to

[dawn badge]

i need to upgrade my storage sooner rather than later too. been waiting to see what drives do this quarter with some new drives hitting the market

[ember heart]

@warm helm yeah- especially when you share the isos with your family and they are constantly asking for new isos that have just come out and compaining that the iso you have is the wrong version etc. There are so many linux isos! 😁😂🤣

[midnight adder]

Do you have ssds?

[ember heart]

Duno who needs to hear t his but:
<psa>
GO BACKUP YOUR HOME ASSISTANT NOW
While there is nothing wrong and its all working.
</psa>
😁😂🤣

[midnight adder]

What is isos? Is that the make of nas?

[ember heart]

@warm helm I'd love to get my users to self manage but they don't have accounts on discord etc so they just text me when they need a new iso ¯_(ツ)_/¯ I don't mind. gives me a reason to start conversations with people I haven't spoken to in a while 🙂

@warm helm yeah- some of the folks don't even know how their plex accounts work 🤦‍ They usually say "My Roku says the movie is missing" etc.. they don't know the architecture- low technology folks ¯_(ツ)_/¯

I may look at overseerr though- might be worth it for some folks 🙂 thanks for the tip 🙂

[midnight adder]

At the moment I just download stuff put it on my 2tb hard drive and plug it in tv 🙂

[ember heart]

and back to the backups- if you haven't explored it, the new cloud backup offerd by nabu casa is NIFTY. You should go set it up!

[midnight adder]

This is why I want a nas put a plex server on it and then can have it on all my tvs 🙂

[bright cradle]

Jellyfin on TrueNAS Scale here, 90% of content lossless rips from physical media. Also the home of my haos backups.

[ember heart]

You can run plex or jellyfin on haos- its an add-on

[clear ferry]

What is this, storage for ants?

[midnight adder]

I tried setting up plex on jellyfin on a robbery pi but couldn’t get it to work so I gave up 😦

Raspberry

[sage cedar]

And it gets better next week 🙂

[bright cradle]

“Plex on Jellyfin” confuses me

[ember heart]

for a while I toyed with making an HAOS micro-server that could travel or be part of like an RV where it was all SSD and had the media archive setup like I have on unraid. I think it would be a fun project, but I don't have a need for doing it at the moment so it remains and idea.. for now...

plex or jellyfin - they are kinda the same purpose app

[ember heart]

plex or jellyfin

[bright cradle]

Ah, “or” not “on” duh!

[glacial knot]

but robbery pi is ok?

[ember heart]

No. You should buy your pi 🙂

During covid, when Pi's were unavailable and people were selling them for like $500 - THAT was Roberry Pi! ಠ_ಠ

[midnight adder]

I have to pis atm not doing anything I did have pihole on one then unifi did the AdGuard so switched that on

[clear ferry]

I wish people would steal more pis so people would have to buy proper hardware

[midnight adder]

Then the other I was going set plex up on and couldn’t get it to work

So 2 doing nothing now 😦

[midnight adder]

Hahaha

[ember heart]

I see people using a pi since they heard its a good tool, then they use them for things its not well suited for- or they spend a lot of money on a ton of add ons to make it into an expensive version of what you can get a lot cheaper with a small footprint PC ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[midnight adder]

Sounds like me tbh lol

[clear ferry]

Exactly

[ember heart]

I used a Pi4 as an HAOS server- then added a USB 2.5" SATA SSD- then realized I needed more so I just replaced the whole thing with a Dell 3070 small footprint PC. Now it has m.2 NVMe and 16g of ram for FAR less than I would have paid to try and get the PI to do that

[dawn badge]

pis have a purpose but yeah people do tend to over use them a bit

[ember heart]

the Pi4 is now running PiHole as a secondary DNS ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[midnight adder]

I was thinking of getting a second dns but didn’t want the over kill lol

[midnight adder]

I agree

[dawn badge]

the only pis i have activly runniing are both cm4's one in my HA yellow and 1 in a bllikvm

[ember heart]

I have 3x instances of pihole just for performance and redundancy and because I had leftover pi 😉

[midnight adder]

I tried to put haos on my pi it worked but when I spoke the voice assistant my pi just crashed lol

[ember heart]

oh- I do also have pi's running PiKVM - those are awesome!

[midnight adder]

So got my pc put Debian on a 128gig stick now it’s running as a server

For haos

[midnight adder]

Is that a virtual machine?

[ember heart]

I do still have HAOS running native on a Pi5 w/256g nVME but it is at my office in the server rack as I had the hardware and wanted to experiment with it

PiKVM is a remote control system based on the pi: https://pikvm.org/

I stared by making a home brew version then I bought their hardware

[midnight adder]

Ohhh clever, I would not need that because not clever enough to run another network for a business

[dawn badge]

i plan to move my ha install to an n100/n150 soonish. i could just put it on one of my proxmox servers in the rack but i want to keep it seperate

[midnight adder]

My plan exactly get a n100

Need wait for price go down a bit though

[ember heart]

PiKVM hardware is a PI "hat" that lets you control your servers as if you were in front of them. great for folks that are used to things like the Dell DRAC or other remote hardware control

[dawn badge]

i am leaning toward the n150 beelink with 2 m.2 slots and putting a coral in there too

[midnight adder]

I’ll be honest lord to control my network remotely I rarely do because I can’t get out much, my girlfriend is disabled, but when I do go out I use the UniFi network app

[ember heart]

u can find the small form factor dell 3060 units on ebay for like $100 or so.. they are usually setup with i5 processors 512g of ssd and 8 to 16g rAM.. super quiet and don't produce much heat. thats what I run my HAOS on

[midnight adder]

I will search for that on Amazon thank you

👌

[midnight adder]

Ohhh thank you will look at that too

Thank you everyone you been helpful to me 🙂

[ember heart]

when I built my first unraid box I tried putting it on the upper shelf in the master bedroom since that's where the internet came into the house. the closet got rather toasty O.o 😁😂🤣

[midnight adder]

Will keep you informed what I get

[dawn badge]

beelink is simalar price (in the uk) and comes with double the ram and ssd size

[ember heart]

11 drives in an R6 fractal.. it fit perfect looked great and failed completely 🤦‍

[midnight adder]

That’s my dream lol looks really good 🙂

[ember heart]

it was WAYYYYY too hot. I underestimated the heat it produced by a lot

[midnight adder]

They put the inlet for internet in weird place mine is behind my tv in living room

It’s like what was you thinking put it in my loft lol

[dawn badge]

go rackmount and never look back

keeps everything neat

[ember heart]

I had such high hopes of a hidden away server closet 🙂

[dawn badge]

yeah, although the beelink i think only has 1gbe instead of 2.5 but i can live with that if i have to

[ember heart]

oh and one last PSA:
<PSA>
-The "pigtails" on modular power supplies are NOT interchangeable!
-Do NOT mix differnt pigtails from different manufacturers!
-If you do, you risk DESTROYING your hard drives!
</PSA>

[midnight adder]

I got a small unifi switch not poe though so my camera outside I have had put a Poe injector on it 😦

[dawn badge]

yup, no standard at all

[midnight adder]

Make do and mend 🙂

[ember heart]

I killed FOUR 8TB drives. it was a SUPER painful lesson 😢

[dawn badge]

rip

[midnight adder]

I didn’t know that

[midnight adder]

I thought you could change them

[dawn badge]

even within the same model of supply there are revisions which change the pinouts. ALWAYS replace

[ember heart]

As you can see from the post it note in the above photo, the pins are used COMPLETELYT differntly. I sent high voltage levels to the data lines on four drives and instantly killed them.

[midnight adder]

Sorry to hear that mate 😦 I hope you got it sorted

[ember heart]

yeah- they were all shucked drives so there was also the loss of the work of shucking and the work of prospecting for low cost drives 😦

[dawn badge]

well it wouldnt be to data lines but to lower voltage lines which released the magic blue smoke

[ember heart]

that was back in 2019 but the wound never really heals 😁😂🤣

[midnight adder]

You lot know heaps more than me lol I never had blue smoke

[midnight adder]

It’s the way you learn though I want blue smoke lol

[ember heart]

when I am lying in my death bed, and whispering my last words of wisdom to the gathered loved ones, don;t be surprised if I tell that story 😁😂🤣

[dawn badge]

rack is neat and contained

[midnight adder]

I’d love a rack I will be getting one if I can get the loft space

[ember heart]

yeah- I wish I had a spot for a rack. I ended up moving all the computer gear to a detached shed behind the house. I bought an 16x8 building and then added insulation, power and AC. Its a shop/server room now 🙂

looks like a nice little garden shed behind the house- its more like a mad scientists lair! 😄

my little red science lab 🙂

[midnight adder]

Looks beautiful I love red and sunny too 🙂

[ember heart]

where chaos reigns!

[dawn badge]

chaos indeed

[midnight adder]

Organised chaos 😉

[ember heart]

I had to move a bunch of stuff out of the garage so we ended up just dumping it in my nicely arrange workshop- temporarily... 🤦‍ there's nothing more permanent than a temporary solution" as they say 🙂

[midnight adder]

So true 🤣🤣🤣

[dawn badge]

yup, my tempory kitchen dashboard setup is becoming more permanent than i would like

[midnight adder]

@ember heart do you have a dog? I saw the pet carrier that’s why I asked

[midnight adder]

I have not messed with my dashboards yet that is something I need to learn

[dawn badge]

do better then this ugly thing 😛

[midnight adder]

Absolutely not!! That is brilliant

[dawn badge]

it works but its a bit of a mess

[midnight adder]

I didn’t know you can get graphs on it like that :0 have you used an add on for that?

[dawn badge]

i plan to rework and rewire alot of stuff in the kitchen but havent got there yet, may need a 3d printer to help with it

the power meter graph? thats a guage card i think its core?

[midnight adder]

That’s my dashboard hahaha

[dawn badge]

my actual dashboards in HA i am happy with. just the hardware in the kitchen is a bit crap

[cerulean karma]

What about the red/green progress bar entities on the right?

[midnight adder]

I think it looks mint, you know what would look good if you had it in the wall

[dawn badge]

they are battery indicators for devices using bubble card

[solar zealot]

There also is a bar card for making progress bars specifically

With card mod for all the adjustments

[midnight adder]

What does that go in a pi?

[dawn badge]

i am a big fan of bubble card and use it on most of my dashboards

[solar zealot]

?

[cerulean karma]

I think I saw that one, the only thing I remember was the encyclopedia-sized readme 😄

[midnight adder]

A mod card do you put that In a pi?

[solar zealot]

a pi?

[midnight adder]

A raspberry pi

[solar zealot]

usually flour and eggs go into a pi

If you want to know if you can install it on homeassistant, yes

[midnight adder]

Now am confused

lol

[solar zealot]

I use it to show temp offsets

[midnight adder]

What is a bubble card?

[solar zealot]

You can make dual sided bars with css

[dawn badge]

cards in this case are things on the dashboard

[midnight adder]

Yes got you I thought it was hardware lol

[dawn badge]

this is my main landing page for HA

[midnight adder]

Sorry I can be ditzy sometimes bare with me please lol

[dawn badge]

mostly bubble

[solar zealot]

5gum

[midnight adder]

Oh my you can do anything in ha

I need to learn this

[solar zealot]

very over the top video of how it feels to use Homeassistant

[midnight adder]

Promptly

[static schooner]

Maybe this can go in #1284965988642590891 ?

[lone dagger]

[midnight adder]

Robc my friend hello 🙂

[solar zealot]

We don't listen to fake missy nods!

[midnight adder]

There is a speech bible for everything here isn’t there lol

[solar zealot]

The real one would have given me stickers!

[midnight adder]

Bubble

[dawn badge]

@ me in a dashboard post if you want some help setting up a new dash at some point

[midnight adder]

Micheal I will defo 🙂 it more than likely will be tommorrow if that’s ok it’s 17:15 here now and got things I need to do so can’t concentrate but thank you so much 🙂

Michael

Sorry

[dawn badge]

looks like we are both on the same timezone 🙂 although i dont messasarily follow it as i have a sleep condition but i am sure we can sort something out in any case

[midnight adder]

Am sure we will my friend 🙂

Thanks for the help 🙂

[lone dagger]

Fake Missy has been dead for almost a week.

[solar zealot]

Then why ain't there a sticker in my mailbox???? Elaborate???????

[glacial knot]

what did you do?

[midnight adder]

Am sorry mods for speaking in here about things I shouldn’t be I don’t know you have all these speech bubbles things

[terse timber]

Where can I go to get advise on setting up HA iv been trying for a few days now, iv flashed an SD card multiple times one only got to on board twice then shortly froze and disconnected, iv followed all instruction but hasn’t solved problem, im using a raspberry pi 4 with SD card and Ethernet cable to router. The last 2 times iv got to the create account but could get past this page.

[midnight adder]

What device you using?

[solar zealot]

#1284966540617449515 sounds good to me

[dawn badge]

#1284966540617449515

[terse timber]

Raspberry pi 4

[midnight adder]

There you go I knew there would be bubble

[midnight adder]

Just use the raspberrypinimager to to other and choose haos

Should have no problems if you have anymore go to installations

[terse timber]

That’s what iv been doing

[dawn badge]

also sd cards are not the way to go

but take it over to installation 😛

[midnight adder]

Yes :p

[dawn badge]

or we get slapped again

[lone dagger]

I USE AN SD CARD AND ALSO DON'T BACKUP WHEN I UPDATE

FIGHT ME

[terse timber]

Ok thank you

[midnight adder]

Everyday I get told off lol

[solar zealot]

📞 hello Bill? Got a job for ya

[midnight adder]

I used an sd card on my pi tbh and it was fine just made sure it was an extreme sd card

[lone dagger]

Where's that mug I saw yesterday....

[dawn badge]

not backing up when you update is just having confidence in the project right?

[solar zealot]

This?

[solar zealot]

Oh that's also good

[lone dagger]

Yeah sure this, absolutely.

[midnight adder]

I not backed up lol

[lone dagger]

YOLO GANG

[dawn badge]

i beleive thats what we call "spin"

[midnight adder]

To be fair mine will go wrong and I will cry lol

[lone dagger]

Yeah, I realized all the custom notifications I have set up will be lost if I don't start backing up.

Fine, I guess I'll do something.

[midnight adder]

Luckily I got nothing much custom on it atm but when I have I will back up

[lone dagger]

Don't want to lose all the great gems from Herner Werzog.

[midnight adder]

You got yours on GitHub you will be fine :p

[dawn badge]

i have dailys that are kept for 14 days onto the storage server. unless i have been messing with it that day i wont bother doing a special backup for updates. if i loose a few hours then so be it

[midnight adder]

You got a script to back it up?

[dawn badge]

2025.1 made automated backups very easy

[lone dagger]

And beta will make them even better!

[midnight adder]

Ohh I have not used anything other than .1

[dawn badge]

yeah i am looking forward to improving it

[midnight adder]

That’s how new I am to this

[midnight adder]

Your braver than me iam too scared to run beta lol

[lone dagger]

Oh, I am not running beta. But I know what's coming. 😄

[midnight adder]

What is coming?

[dawn badge]

settings - system - backups

[midnight adder]

What do you run?

[dawn badge]

more backup location targets is a big thing

[midnight adder]

Thank you will have a look at that when got more time but defo top of list just below dashboard 😉

[lone dagger]

Stuff. 😄

[midnight adder]

Stuff for havp

[lone dagger]

I personally think the unencrypted backups on download is gonna be the star.

[midnight adder]

Do you work on it missy?

[dawn badge]

yeah that is gunna be handy, i can definetly see a use for it and judging by people complaining in the last month its going to be popular

[midnight adder]

Complaining that it too slow?

[dawn badge]

backups are encrypted with no obvious way to decrypt them outside of HA

[midnight adder]

Ohhh

I thought with ha being open source it would be easy to decrypt outside ha

[dawn badge]

there is a tool but its just not immediately obvious

[lone dagger]

I need a more obvious server role lol - I am the Community & Social Media Manager for HA.

[midnight adder]

I agree you need to have a word with:)

[dawn badge]

"former clippy enjoyer"

[lone dagger]

FORMER????