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storm crest
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OK got HA to learn my remote, but since it's just a toggle button for on/off how can HA know if the light is on or off when someone presses the physical button Hmmm

red rock
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We can only assume

storm crest
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I guess the device can't detect someone actually pressing the remote button

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unless in learning mode?

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that'd be a neat trick, it detects remote presses and maintains state that way

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not likely tho'

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yeah

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storm crest
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sadly not

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no power monitoring yet

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and even then it'd have to be at the devices themselves because this damn breaker is for both bedrooms and bathroom stare

primal laurel
iron granite
forest edge
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welcome to the 0 carb life

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they are taking away the penny!! Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

storm crest
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Ok, the Linknlink folk said they are shipping the Pro model next month so I pre-ordered 2.

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$40 USD for 2x HA compat 24ghz mmwave sensors is a good bet

near reef
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if you have an electric bike ya gotta try thirdreality zigbee plugs

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forest edge
hollow glacier
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hey guys i'm thinking about a short youtube video where i suggest open source projects that need funding. I obviously will bring up zwavejs, zigbee2mqtt, etc but do you have any other suggestions? One of the things i'll be suggesting as well is underlying libraries such as https://opencollective.com/aio-libs the aio libs which is basically what a lot of our home assistant integrations depend on. I'd appreciate any private messages or replies if anyone has any suggestions on projects to add (big or small)

aio-libs: aiohttp and ecosystem - Open Collective

We maintain asyncio libraries including aiohttp and dependencies.

distant jewel
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How many Missy we have got here

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Missing young Sheldon?

forest edge
shell basalt
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need moar Missies!

distant jewel
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I am enjoying it just need more young Sheldon references

red rock
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Like the ones doing it in their free time

runic cape
iron granite
snow ore
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Ok, apologies

wooden egret
crisp oriole
wooden egret
crisp oriole
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It uses a limted model.

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Will not work for my phone assistant.

wooden egret
crisp oriole
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Isnt that whisper?

wooden egret
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no

wooden egret
crisp oriole
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Whyoming yeah

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I use that

wooden egret
crisp oriole
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Well i think someone totally else builds that integration you mentioned

wooden egret
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both are developed by Mike Hansen

crisp oriole
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Don't know why whoming would go backwards

wooden egret
crisp oriole
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Its faster but thats it

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For me its backwards

wooden egret
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rhasspy-speech for me is a lot more accurate than Whisper

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i don't use LLMs so I don't care that it's limited

crisp oriole
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Sure but does it know music artists and songs?

wooden egret
crisp oriole
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No i use a levenheud sql function

deft pewter
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Levenheud?

crisp oriole
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Levensomething

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It finds the closes match.

deft pewter
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I've heard of Levenshtein distances, but what's that got to do with music? It's just about finding the closest matching string.

crisp oriole
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Well it i have a sql db with all my local music albums and artists

deft pewter
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So what's the process?

Speak -> TTS -> maybe get slightly wrong text -> get smallest Levenshtein distance in your DB -> play that track?

crisp oriole
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Works great. Do not need a llm that requires online connectivity

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Yes

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I have artists so it plays all random tracks of an artist. Or an album

deft pewter
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Gotcha. That's way cleaner and more interesting than LLMs anyway 😂

crisp oriole
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I tried to explain the guys of music assistant several times. Tried to make it work with music assistant but zero feedback.

crisp oriole
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I also have the music known to the llm with functions. Works great on im happy i want happy music.

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But that gives p!nk most of the time

deft pewter
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P!nk is depressing 🤢 Heavy metal is my happy place 😂

glacial knot
deft pewter
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Checking them out. Cheers!

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I get the feeling they're more interesting when you know the songs they're parodying. I don't 😄

crisp oriole
solar zealot
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I can't believe my eyes

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Ui gear on a shelf!!!!

glacial knot
peak slate
primal laurel
solar zealot
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Tho id probably be more broke then now (tech reasons)

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Maybe when the us is safe to visit I'll have a peak into those stores

shell basalt
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the "just got a few things" I got to teach someone my favorite trick at Home Depot .. you go into HD, thinking "just need these one or two things" so you don't bother with a cart

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half way thru you've got like 9 additional things and it's falling out of your hands .. just grab a bucket, they're everywhere there and carry that to the self-checkout lanes and just leave the bucket there

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well there's an incentive to making you use a cart so you BUY MOAR!

solar zealot
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Someone invented something similar, a basket

shell basalt
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the HD never has baskets out

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and again, you start off thinking you dont need it, you only need one or two things

solar zealot
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Well because everyone asks for buckets :P

shell basalt
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but your project, as you think about thing, the one or two things needs like 6-7 other things and you're struggling to hold on.. so.. again, just grab a bucket

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well i do .. every damn time i go

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the recent project, to add insulation to the cat shelters.. just need some foam boards.. 3 of them

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then saw the reflective insulation, "that'll help!".. "how do i affix this to that".. back to the glue aisle.. it'd be nice if these panels were removable during the summer, off to the velcro..

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so.. maybe the root of the problem is i didnt think the project through.. but I still used my bucket trick!

frigid mirage
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Beta's usually start last wednesday of the month, right?

clever mortar
frigid mirage
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Thanks, I was searching for this

zealous veldt
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ugh, my zha broke completely. Luckily my significant other is out for some hours. It would have been extra bad if not 🙁

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🥹

solar zealot
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anyone down for a game of missy says?

coarse spindle
hollow glacier
primal laurel
lone dagger
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Where’s people in this channel who changed their name to mine yesterday? I have a treat. 😆

hollow glacier
primal laurel
lone dagger
red rock
hollow glacier
hollow glacier
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i dont expect to get many donations with my 140 subscriber channel but it cant hurt and i can later point people to it

primal laurel
silent doveBOT
hollow glacier
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seems they ONLY care about scientific not open source in general

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i guess it cant hurt to bring it up and shame them for it DiCaprioLaugh

lone dagger
iron granite
lone dagger
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This is absolutely not confusing at all.

lone dagger
solar zealot
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yes it is i real missy

lone dagger
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top level commitment to the bit nice

lapis cairn
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Morning Missy's

iron granite
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Morning Whiskey

lapis cairn
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Missy Prime

analog crow
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ok, before I spend the time and effort going down this rabbit hole, does anyone have a device that can intercept garage door opener signals and send them to HA for automation work? got 3 buttons in my car I want to make do things

ember heart
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@analog crow This looks like a job for... HARDWARE channel! Away! 😁😂🤣

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</bad superman>

analog crow
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that would have been a better place to ask

ember heart
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I wish there was a general place to ask questions where u can get a lot of eyes.. the individual channels here sometimes can get lost and get no responses 😦

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if u ask over there, I'll pop over and drop my $0.02 if u like (I have one of those in-the-visor radio things for garage door)

analog crow
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done

unborn merlin
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😛

solar zealot
primal laurel
lone dagger
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I love that episode.

ember heart
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"Hmm.. Before I go home for the day, should I close the tab in chrome in my remote office on the other side of town that is connected to my home instance of Home Assistant via VPN? Nah! I mean, what's the what's that could happen? 😁 <drives home, sees drive space shrinking on HAOS, opens log> Oh. 🤦‍

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Its like the energizer bunny of errors.. it keeps going.. and going... and... 😂

last cedar
ember heart
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sure would have been easier to diagnose if it gave an IP address of the offending session.. as it was I had to chase it down by process of elimination and only at the last minute did I recall I had been working from my office across town 🤦‍

glacial knot
lone dagger
weak musk
iron granite
weak musk
lone dagger
weak musk
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I absolutely lost it the first time I saw it

lone dagger
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It was so well directed.

forest edge
glacial knot
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what's a cold opening?

forest edge
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why is there two of the same?

weak musk
glacial knot
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wdym same? They are easy to tell apart. One's a rooHappy

weak musk
forest edge
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not confusion. I can't say what it is lol

lone dagger
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Absolute chaos.

weak musk
primal laurel
iron granite
lone dagger
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Fair.

weak musk
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What do you mean Missy, I backup

forest edge
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they probably kept driving past your town not realizing it was anything other than nothing in the middle of nowhere

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the speed bump on the way to something more interesting

keen bridge
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Good evening one and all

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How are we?

light trout
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yes

keen bridge
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Good answer. That's about my level of brain

ember heart
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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keen bridge
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I accidentally got sucked into the code I was writing and then at 17:40 just gave up

light trout
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hate it when that happens

keen bridge
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Well the code is great to be honest.

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But I should have finished at 4 🤣

light trout
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2 sounds better, it's Friday

keen bridge
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Yeah. Next Thursday!

edgy sparrow
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Ugh... I rarely come in here and it's only when I have a quick question, but now I see everything's been forumized and there's no more #zigbee... anyone know of another server for HA which still has real chat?

unborn merlin
twin mesa
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Hey everyone, I have a quick question that is probably common sense to most of you who have been at this for a while:
If I install a smart switch to allow for control of a light through home assistant, can the physical switch still be used without effecting the ability to control it thoguh the system? For instance, if my wife hit the switch to shut a light off could I turn it back on through the system without physically toggling the switch back?
I'm still trying to wrap my head around how I should seek to set all of this up

unborn merlin
abstract verge
unborn merlin
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in fact thats how any proper smarthome should be.

still functional if something goes wrong with the system controlling further.

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twin mesa
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Thank you!
We got our first hue bulbs not long ago for two rooms but have ran into this since once she turns a switch off, as is habit, I can longer have those lights controlled or automated until I flkip that switch again

unborn merlin
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hue does take a level of adjustment. 🤷‍♂️

And also they're so goddamned expensive its why I havent expanded mine.

twin mesa
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Yeah, it seems much more cost effective to upgrade the switches instead of bulbs. Is that a reasonable take or am I missing something? Cause I could outfit my whole house with switches for the price of a couple hue bulbs

forest edge
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stuck anchor
# twin mesa Thank you! We got our first hue bulbs not long ago for two rooms but have ran in...

if you let that switch take power from your smart bulbs you will be shaking up the zigbee mesh quite badly every time you switch on/off.

luckily most such switches can be set to decoupled mode where they will not actually switch power when flipped, only send a message to ha.

for rooms with dumb bulbs, set the switch as coupled. for those with smart bulbs decouple it and set ha up to turn the bulbs off instead when the switch is flipped

twin mesa
forest edge
twin mesa
forest edge
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they have thier uses but yea.. generally replacing every bulb in the home with them is more gimmick than anything

last cedar
twin mesa
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Yeah I definitely got got with the first pack. I think what I was excited about was the possibility of automation, but I had no experience yet and didn't realize the other possibilities that make more sense

last cedar
primal laurel
twin mesa
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How do I know if a product has the ability to decouple or not? I'm not finding it in any product descriptions

forest edge
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I guess the ones marked as having a "smart mode" as per a previous discussion would be decoupled mode for use with smart bulbs as well

stuck anchor
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i think someone mentioned a shelly that could decouple? but that would be wifi?

forest edge
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I forgot we just had a convo about that a few weeks ago lol

twin mesa
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Is there any reason that wifi would be less practical?

forest edge
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just adds congestion to your network

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if you have too much crap

twin mesa
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I have a Deco mesh network through my house (cause my walls are thick af). Is the congestion a significant concern if there is no signal problems?

forest edge
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depends on your network equipment

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stuck anchor
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wifi with local control is probably ok? no experience. most wifi stuff really wants to talk to its own cloud service. and needs its own app to set it up. and if ha has to talk through a cloud integration it's slooow

dawn badge
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i use shellys with wifi. i am thinking about switching to gen4 with zigbee when they are a thing but it would be expensive to replace all. specially as i have a few gen3 ones "in stock"

forest edge
twin mesa
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Ah I see. As much as is possible I don't want to depend on cloud. I feel like I've been fighting this battle my whole adult life lol

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shelly wifi is full local

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it does have a cloud option but i have never used it

forest edge
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tplink "use" to be able to switch to fully local.. now they just have local as an auto backup so you basically have to block them at the router to maintain local only

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er kasa

stuck anchor
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i had some tuya cloud integrated wifi bulbs and one day their servers/cloud provider struggled... could take minutes to turn on a bulb... so i bought a zigbee usb stick and never looked back

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starting to sound a bit like a shelly shill now but they also support esphome so if you want to customise even further you can go that route too

forest edge
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these days with the price of zigbee being same if not sometimes more expensive than wifi it's hard to really know what route to go

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damn sure not going zwave tho.. don't care how much more stable it is over zigbee lol

twin mesa
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What are the different network standards currently? Ive seen like zigbee, zwave, and matter, but I don't understand whats so different between them, why all these different standards, what to choose etc lol

dawn badge
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i did try a couple of zigbee things early on but they were awful. although i admit they were cheap and crap which was probably more the problem. but in any case i went wifi for pretty much everything. I have a good AP and have never had the issues everyone complains about with wifi devices. they are stable and quick

forest edge
forest edge
# dawn badge i did try a couple of zigbee things early on but they were awful. although i adm...

wifi can be just as bad cause the devices made could be the culprit. take wyze cams for an example. product can work just fine for months then decide to be a pita, you don't know if it's your network, the camera or some neighbor nuking popcorn but for whatever reason the connect stability falls to shit in it's current location, you move it, the connection gets better but still no promises lol

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not when your the one having the camera go offline and not getting to eat it

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forest edge
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in a perfect world

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i do sometimes wish I ran cat cable to my doorbell when I redid this house

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at that time it never even dawned on me they would make doorbell cams that would utilize it

twin mesa
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Boy I'm having a hell of a time reconciling the possibilities of home automation with the idea that in doing so the default is to take away the simple functionality of a light switch. How do people get their spouses on board with this? 😅

forest edge
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you shouldn't go all in right off the bat. you should dab

tidal bronze
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spouse/family approval factor is always a challenge. you have to slowly put things in. get some wins with something they like and that will help them trust in other things

forest edge
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@tidal bronze get a break from hosing down the flames?

twin mesa
# forest edge you shouldn't go all in right off the bat. you should dab

Yeah I know, but thats kind of the problem: in order for the light switches to continue to work as light switches I have to find very specific models (or rewire a relay into the wall) and establish some sort of mesh network, of which there are multiple competing standards so I have to choose a lane now or invest in redundant network infrastructure.

forest edge
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keep the original switches, tuck the puck inside the box and be done with it

twin mesa
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How big are the relays? My boxes are stuffed with wires covered in paint because apparently masking tape wasn't available when the house was remodeled lol

forest edge
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get you some stranded wire tho.. bending solid copper that most homes are wired with is a bitch lol

forest edge
twin mesa
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Oof. US

forest edge
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they will fit

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I got them in single gang boxes

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one thing tho, if you have a double gang box and plan to put both switches on a shelly.. get the shelly that has 2 relayes in one unit

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stuffing two shellies in a double gang is possible but that would not be fun at all

twin mesa
forest edge
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yea plenty of room

twin mesa
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I realized today I only have three single gang switches in my house though. The rest are double and one triple

forest edge
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stuffing a shelly into a single box with one of those switches that are like blocks likely won't work tho

twin mesa
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I got a couple of those too lol

forest edge
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like how smart switches or timer switches come

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the new generation shellies are even smaller than what I have so they may actually work

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I just don't have one to know

twin mesa
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Wait I just thought of something though: If I have that relay, but the actual switch is in the off position, won't it prevent me from turning on the light via app?

forest edge
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the switch is decopled

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both ends of the switch hook to the shelly

twin mesa
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Oh duh, the relay is between the power and the light, the switch is just extra

forest edge
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and the shelly feeds a small amount of power through the loop to know the switches position

twin mesa
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idk why I was thikning the relay was in between the power and switch but not the switch and light lol

forest edge
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the great thing about the pucks are. they don't have to go behind the switch

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they can go into the light or whatever fixture as well

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and work the same

twin mesa
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It would still function the same if I installed it behind the light fixture? (Lots more room there)

forest edge
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yes

twin mesa
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Man I gotta study wiring diagrams more lol I hardly ever deal with this stuff so I don't have to think about it much

forest edge
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shelly has the wire diagrams on thier site

ocean oar
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I had zero room inside the wall to put the Shelly relay, so I added a junction box under the floor where the cables come out and put it there

twin mesa
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Thank you everyone, I am going to think about this while I get something to eat and no doubt be back with more noob questions 😅

junior blaze
forest edge
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surprised discord hasn't come up with a way for servers to customize the graffiti that shows

static schooner
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The Watch Duty app has been tracking a fire in San Diego county called "Heavenly Fire"

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seems like it would be...the other one

forest edge
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that the one that started yesterday? that burned over 5k acres already?

static schooner
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Nope, started an hour ago

forest edge
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then thats 3

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unless the first one was put out

static schooner
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I'm getting notifications all the time for different fires

forest edge
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california winter

static schooner
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Not near me, thankfully

sick schooner
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I cant post on any channel ?

static schooner
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Go to Channels and Roles at the top

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Select something

tidal bronze
forest edge
static schooner
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Was just there a couple of days ago

weak musk
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Look like normal in and out fries

forest edge
weak musk
forest edge
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how would you know?

static schooner
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Animal style is life

tidal bronze
iron granite
forest edge
tidal bronze
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Always

forest edge
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so a fast food joint serves wine.. that is so californian lol

tidal bronze
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Jk got it delivered

forest edge
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bet it came in like like a pouch like those old hc fruit puches or whatever they were

static schooner
tidal bronze
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@forest edge hit them up about those fries 🍟

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static schooner
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I guess I could have pretended that my strawberry shake was wine

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I like the over the top earnestness of that post

forest edge
tidal bronze
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To S25 or not to

weak musk
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Ugh. Now I want a chocolate shake

static schooner
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Give in to the need

weak musk
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It’s crappy out and I don’t want to drive (and because it’s crappy out I don’t want to make someone else drive either)

tidal bronze
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Do it!

ocean oar
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Honestly the only real feature in the S25 is it has the new Qualcomm "Elite" (Oryon core) CPU.
Otherwise it seems to be negligibly better, just a bunch of questionable AI bullshit.

tidal bronze
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But we "must" pay for bullshit

ocean oar
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TBH the only reason I'd consider it - and I do need a new phone at some point soon - is the pre-order bonuses.
https://www.pbtech.co.nz/product/MPHSAM00938103B/
With the $2650 512GB S25 Ultra, can get a free $850 e scooter and some other crap.
Flick those off for near RRP and the phone could be a lot cheaper

PB Tech
Buy the Samsung Galaxy S25 Ultra 5G Dual SIM Smartphone - 12GB+512G...

pbtech.co.nz "Samsung Galaxy S25 Ultra 5G Dual SIM Smartphone - 12GB+512GB - TITANIUM BLACK - Bonus Segway E2 Pro Premium Electric Scooter, Galaxy SmartTag2 & Momax 10000mah Premium Power Bank (Worth $1027)

lone dagger
ocean oar
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Other bundle options include one with a gaming chair, or a couple of UE bluetooth speakers

tidal bronze
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So much negativity today.

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Still using a 23U. Tmo sent S24u for free never got to transfer over.

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New standard camera is 50mp right

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I use call to text all the time.

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Life saver

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When you say IVR, reminds me of Motorola MicroTAC Elite

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Yep, my troubles ended when I completed disabled VM years ago. Few thag get through every month goes to call to text.

sudden heath
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My Sonoff SNZB-04P Door Sensor report door closed from a inch apart.

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this is not going to work for me..

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anyway to calibrate this?

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like the sensor and the magnet part can be a inch away and still reports closed

static schooner
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Move them further apart?

gusty belfry
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Well that's... fun. My Zigbee and Zwave USB radios both lose connection to my HA VM every time I plug in a USB device to the hypervisor.

glacial knot
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that's surprising

unborn merlin
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that sounds like some weird shit with power going on.

glacial knot
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which is odd, unless it's some USB-C power distribution re-configuring

sudden heath
# static schooner Move them further apart?

how can you move them apart on the axis where the door opens? vertical is fine, I am saying the distance between the 2 sensor when door is slightly open, but it won't report it open unless the door is more than an inch away.

unborn merlin
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its probably using a reed switch or something like that

sudden heath
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i am using this on entrace door, I want to be able to check if some closed the door properly or not.

unborn merlin
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could also recess the magnet deeper into door.. etc

sudden heath
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hmm.. so basically I have to play with the position of the magnet and sensor.

gusty belfry
static schooner
sudden heath
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I see.

static schooner
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As mentioned, one side is usually just a magnet. Try a different one

sudden heath
sudden heath
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flipping either the magnet or sensor the other side, the range becomes less, so it might work if I just flip either one of them.

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they have - line indicator on both, I am guessing for letting the user know which direction should they face? facing them opposite makes the range less.

storm crest
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why are my device logs in the future? My time zone looks like it's set correctly in the general settings

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wait the logbook is showing it correctly

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... now history is as well WTFF

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I'm going to bed.

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are you sure? what timezone is it bedtime in?

static schooner
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It's always bedtime somewhere

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Same with beertime

last cedar
forest edge
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think the racoon that passed infront of my door was missing it's tail

last cedar
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Less filament for you though

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I wonder if they use it for balance like cats

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last cedar
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Still haven't got my Husqvarna mower working with HA, still can't find it via bluetooth

forest edge
primal laurel
last cedar
last cedar
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It has minature sheep under the clip deck, you have to drive slowly

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Oh no, "fake Missy" keeps typing

red rock
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hello

deft pewter
last cedar
clear ferry
crisp oriole
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would the real missy please stand up.

crisp oriole
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where wil it end?

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will that stop an army of missy's

iron granite
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Do you think, that would be wise? dr_evil

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To get the attention of ALL Missys?

primal laurel
static schooner
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Just sayin'

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crisp oriole
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how many missy are required for critcal mass?

glacial knot
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16

crisp oriole
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So I think go got like 2 months before there are 16 missy's

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missy's on a mission

iron granite
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No... on a missyon shksKluk

crisp oriole
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belgians will be supprised

clear ferry
weak musk
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Inside or outside?

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I was just curious if the assistant had the gall to light up in your house or not

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Everything you described is a business class ticket to lung cancer though

primal laurel
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no smoker in my family has made it past 60, I should be safe

clear ferry
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Actually come think of it, everyone in my family has smoked

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And my father didn't quit until he was 67

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I used to smoke 40 a day, but I quit when I was 30

primal laurel
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Luck of the draw

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Grandma smoked 2 packs a day most of her life. Looked like she was 85 at 50

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Died at 57 from lung cancer

clear ferry
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Actually noone of my biological family has had cancer even after 60 years of smoking

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But their smoking spouses had

primal laurel
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That's even worse

forest edge
clear ferry
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Yes

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After that I did 2x boxes of snuff

forest edge
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2 packs till 30.. that mean you still got smokers cough?

clear ferry
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Never had that no

forest edge
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maybe it's more time related than amount lol

clear ferry
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I used to smoke rolling tobacco for a few years too

forest edge
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I did cigars once in awhile while I was younger but f that now

clear ferry
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I had a cigarillo period

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And a pipe period too

forest edge
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they made some pipes with replaceable filters. those might not have been as bad

last cedar
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I have a window under my decking, no idea why anyone would put it there. It is getting bricked up

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I feel so sorry for my cat

static schooner
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Cone of Shame

last cedar
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I can post a pic of her face but some will probably be disturbed

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She had eye surgery

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She had too much lower eyelid

ocean oar
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Our boy had to wear the cone (or at least we got him the flexible fabric kind) due to losing a fight with his sister and ending up with a fingernail-sized scab right above his eye that we didn't want him scratching

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He spent an entire week moping

last cedar
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Poor thing ❤️

ocean oar
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It didn't however (because it was flexible) stop him cramming himself into this bookshelf cube bed:

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The rest of the time was spent looking despondent:

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primal laurel
last cedar
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Aww, I will spoiler a (very cursed) pic

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⚠️ after cat surgery picture

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She looks slightly less demonic today

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slightly

ocean oar
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Omg they gave your cat creepy clown makeup

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Poor baby

last cedar
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They had to shave around, and half stitch her eyes closed

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Hoping for a large qol improvement for her

forest edge
loud pike
#

tmw someone put HA on a Wii U.

Why.

Just.... why.

crisp oriole
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And a wii u is certainly something you have around doing nothing.

peak slate
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Or perhaps they liked the challenge

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Otherwise why run doom on a toothbrush

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wasnt it more of a browser running on a wii u than HA running?

jolly salmon
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i love how home assistant is telling me somethings wrong (the heaters supposted to be on by now)

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sly hawk
#

Does anyone know if the gpio pins of the home assistant voice preview edition can be used for a ZigBee bridge like the ones for raspberrypis etc?

static schooner
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And I suggest explaining more about what you're trying to do when you post there. It's not clear what your goal is

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VoicePE is an ESP32-based device

sly hawk
clear zephyr
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This discord server is annoying I’m not going to lie. Who thought it would be a good idea that every time everyone has a simple question they need to open a thread on a specific channel? Can’t we just have a general channel where people can ask questions in a normal chat type of way?

weak musk
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Nope 🤷🏻‍♂️

clear zephyr
last cedar
# forest edge what happened?

She has problems with allergies and her lower eyelids are too big. The edge of the eyelid curled in and rubbed the eyeballs. She had a very severe llergic reation (losing fur and stuff) for a good year, so we put off the surgery on her eyes. Now we have the alergy under control at least

last cedar
forest edge
crisp oriole
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Then 70% of the questions get snowed in making peeps repeat there questions.

clear zephyr
#

fair enough i guess

primal laurel
stuck anchor
#

meh. still waiting for my apollo mtr1. ordered jan 2., shipped the next day. and according to tracking it was still in the us of a yesterday. maybe you need a chinese shipping company to open a branch over there 😄

primal laurel
last cedar
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The great carrot disappearance of 2025 has been solved

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stuck anchor
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definitely a carrot-muncher

deft pewter
primal laurel
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I wonder how something like this even gets to production

last cedar
untold oriole
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just made a wall dashboard

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it runs android 6.0.1

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it's a modded Frameo smart picture frame, you can enable ADB in the settings

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i just installed Chrome since I wasn

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't able to update Webview

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it runs well

last cedar
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@lone dagger how are your lights outside working now?

glacial knot
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still Tuya? probsS

lone dagger
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In fact, our new neighbors installed RGB path lights since we’ve had ours working properly. 😆

last cedar
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Wonderful!

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I had this song come up on spotify today, and I thought about your lights

untold oriole
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apartment users, where do you put your wall dashboards?

last cedar
untold oriole
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i'm thinking to put mine beside the door

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currently it's next to the keys

last cedar
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Do you want to have it to monitor stuff, or control stuff?

untold oriole
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both

last cedar
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Maybe somewhere close to the living area then!

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Beside the door may work really well

untold oriole
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Yea those are good locations, but I'm trying to find a way to power it

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Prefferably no cables visible

last cedar
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Right angled power connections are great

untold oriole
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it's powered from the back, it's a modded smart photo frame

last cedar
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Oh!

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Cable conduit, run from behind?

untold oriole
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Maybe

last cedar
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You could maybe use a PoE Hat (takes poe 48V to whatever you want)

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On the end of a network cable

lone dagger
untold oriole
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No way I'm putting a conduit behind the wall

last cedar
#

I wondered if you could drill through and power it from the other side?

last cedar
untold oriole
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Well I found a solution

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Mounted next to the kitchen door, cable channel on the door frame (both are white) to an outlet that is behind a drawer

last cedar
#

That sounds like a great solution!

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Just be mindful that if you charge the battery all the time (if it has a battery) that it could be bad for the life of the battery/ dangerous if/ when it fails

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Samsung tablets and phones have a mode thst only charges to 80% and no more, for example

untold oriole
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It's a Frameo photo frame modded to get access to the internal Android system, I just installed Chrome and put it in fullscreen. No battery, powered by a wall adapter.

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stuck anchor
last cedar
stuck anchor
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she is a very good girl.

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forest edge
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incognito HA dashboard

untold oriole
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not so incognito when someone asks "why you have photos of your dog next to the intercom?"

calm crow
#

My home assistant suddenly stopped working after ssl handshake just trying to find right place to post

static schooner
#

yes

ripe compass
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Sheesh.. complete newbie but want to learn. We are moving into our house, and wife out of desperation purchased a Ring door bell.

I already have 2 blink indoor cameras, an alexa echo show, and echo dot.

In terms of a smart hub, any advice on what to get? I will be getting additional smart home items from ring and amazon as an fyi

untold oriole
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or HA green

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I run home assistant on vmware on a lenovo mini pc that is my apartment server

ripe compass
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Got it, thank you. Will have to search up on that

iron granite
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Before buying anything I'd check first, if they work with HA at all.

hollow glacier
blissful zodiac
#

Oh, I think I mean General Temp, I saw grill and thought it was meant for that use case.

hollow glacier
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or baking etc

ocean oar
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Hey, that's kinda cool

blissful zodiac
ocean oar
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I've been thinking about building a brick pizza oven, was thinking about embedding a temperature sensor into the structure of it

hollow glacier
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It uses a 3.5mm to grill probe or 3.5mm to temp probe optional addons

ocean oar
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The LoRa stuff I use around the place has a sensor model with a probe that's rated for 800°C (1472°F) which I think oughta do it 😉

blissful zodiac
hollow glacier
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Like just both at once?

blissful zodiac
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Yeah.

hollow glacier
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No but I’ll bring that up to Trevor that’s a cool idea. I think we could sell an addon that uses gpio pins for a new sensor

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ah nvm we dont have the mezzanine connector on the temp-1/temp-1b

blissful zodiac
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Because I have a bluetooth connected grill probe system, and I have 3 grill types. Ceramic Coal, Metal Charcoal, and Propane Griddle.
Being able to have something available for them would be great where I don't have to annoyingly pair it every time.

hollow glacier
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the downside is the main esp32 part isnt waterproof it's meant to be taken outside and used then brought back in

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you'd have to use a waterproof enclosure or something

blissful zodiac
hollow glacier
tired helm
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HI All really new to this all its there a channel i can write my questions in to get help. set up my system today but got a few questions and how to add certain things inot the dash

blissful zodiac
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And if you can't find where it should go, just throw it in #1284976732428046461 and they'll direct you.

tired helm
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thanks buddy

blissful zodiac
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You're welcome.

blissful zodiac
hollow glacier
blissful zodiac
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Sounds great.

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I use a bunch of different systems. My room alone has Matter, WiFi, and Zigbee.

hollow glacier
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We’ve sent a lot of test units out to get feedback too.. including a lot of home assistant and esphome folks

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I’m still not on the matter train but I like zigbee and zwave hardware when it makes sense over WiFi devices

blissful zodiac
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I'm yet to have a Z-Wave dongle.

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I'm using a generic Zigbee one from AliExpress.

hollow glacier
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Idk about that lol

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A decent coordinator is like $30 on Amazon or less

blissful zodiac
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And my printer is yelling at me about being low on ink.

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hollow glacier
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Just disable the integration lmao

blissful zodiac
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Then my family will forget about the printer.

ocean oar
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I added my printer by SNMP 😄

blissful zodiac
ocean oar
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I have an old-ass HP LaserJet and SNMPv1 is the fanciest option it offers. It well predates IPP being suported, port 9100 raw printing for lyf 😎

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It might support LPD, but that's hardly an improvement

blissful zodiac
ocean oar
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LaserJet CP5225dn

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This just oozes quality 😄

sensor
  - platform: snmp
    host: 10.2.2.70
    version: "1"
    baseoid: 1.3.6.1.2.1.43.11.1.1.9.1.1
    name: "HP CP5225dn black toner level"
    unit_of_measurement: "%"
blissful zodiac
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Then there's this.

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ruby osprey
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How can I make a countdown timer that will turn a fan on for an adjustable amount of time? Ideally like the wind up timers on gas stoves where you dial in 45 minutes or whatever and it counts down and rings a bell when it’s done

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static schooner
ruby osprey
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Thanks I’ll ask on automations. Also I thought I was on #general-archived. I’m a dunce when it comes to discord

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general not a thing anymore 😛

ruby osprey
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Oh ok

blissful zodiac
hollow glacier
blissful zodiac
#

It may just be a local issue on my device.

calm crow
#

Man upgrading haos os shouldn't brick things haha

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HAOS won't boot now and when i check date in emergency console it seems it's way off like may 25 2017 or something

blissful zodiac
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My whole home relies on a docker container.

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Because it's easier for me to port across OSes when I upgrade or change things.

calm crow
#

Is it possible to roll back update? Via emergency console?

ocean oar
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My latest kerfuffle was figuring out how to not break HA when the OS wants to upgrade docker (I'm using the supervised-on-debian install).
It turns out you can use PackageKit instead of raw apt commands to stage the updates so it uses systemd's "offline-updates" mechanism to install them on reboot. Then just use the reboot option from inside HA, it reboots, updates, reboots again, always applies cleanly.

iron granite
calm crow
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Yeah got few posts in there don't think it's quite active

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Will check forum and reddit

iron granite
blissful zodiac
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@hollow glacier Your MSR-1 seems like a device I've been wanting to make myself.

hollow glacier
blissful zodiac
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Or I'm misreading it.

hollow glacier
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bme280 in msr-1 has temp/humidity, in MSR-2 you can get it back by adding the scd40 co2 sensor https://sensirion.com/products/catalog/SCD40 which has temp/humidity on it too but then you have to offset them cuz of the heat of the microcontroller trapped in the tiny case https://wiki.apolloautomation.com/products/general/temp-hum-calibration/#simple-offsets-for-temperature-and-humidity

Sensirion AG
Sensirion - Smart Sensor Solutions

Increase health, improve energy-efficiency, ensure safety & comfort - for a better tomorrow.

Temperature and Humidity - Apollo Docs

None

blissful zodiac
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Ah.

hollow glacier
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ideally you just use separate temp/humidity sensors like cheap inkbird ble ones

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mmwave sensor does a lot still kekw

blissful zodiac
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Oh, I need to have less devices because of how my family is.

calm crow
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Are the argon cases on aliexpress legit?

solar zealot
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Maybe, maybe not

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If it seems too good or remotely suspicious it usually is

iron granite
solar zealot
iron granite
twin mesa
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Hey everyone, has anyone had difficulties with Shelly relays? I have three 1 Mini gen3 not broadcasting Bluetooth or WiFi. I assume the odds of receiving three defective units has to be pretty low so I’m trying to figure out what could be going wrong here, but I thought I would check if anyone else has had this sort of problem

iron granite
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No.

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twin mesa
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Okay, thanks! I’ll post in the hardware support and see what gets suggested.
Also I noticed there is one little button on the side opposite the terminal screws that isn’t referenced in the included documentation or any of the troubleshooting steps online, does anyone know what the heck it’s for??

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forest edge
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@tidal bronze Good to see enough of you got on your knees and prayed for rain and your prayers were answered

molten ridge
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This analogue smart home server is quite impressive

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glacial knot
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how very German. Digital is evil

molten ridge
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it had even a mail notification light

molten ridge
forest edge
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i don't speak german. how is that "smart home"?

molten ridge
forest edge
#

ah

molten ridge
tidal bronze
forest edge
last cedar
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That is awesome

forest edge
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mudslides are awesome? man you swedes are brutal

tidal bronze
desert cave
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lol. lmao even

last cedar
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I was meant to reply to the german analog thing, guess I just look like a proper wanker instead @forest edge haha

midnight adder
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Hello everyone, I am very new to home assistant I learned about this by getting the home assistant voice, I received it yesterday I set up a server yesterday in a pc but now going deeper and wanting protect on ha but this is not maintained now is it worth putting this integration in?

static schooner
midnight adder
#

Thank you so much @static schooner

mild onyx
forest edge
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@tidal bronze

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awesome to see others with the same humor

last cedar
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Lol so dark

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But also, so light/ warm

clear ferry
crisp oriole
#

Oh great. I switched from inet provider. Please send back your tplink wifi boosters for recycling.

I call i still have a good use for them. Oh then you need to pay 90 euro.

solar zealot
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of course

rare patrol
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any ESP nerds here, specifically people who write their own code from scratch for them? i happen to have managed to rip the firmware of a commercially-sold ESP8266 device that i regularly use, wanna share the file with others online but not 100% sure that it doesn't contain my WiFi credentials

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specifically I got one of these, I took it apart & found it has TX + RX pads in a convenient spot + IO0 and GND pads nearby, with some messing about with wires attached I finally managed to rip the factory firmware off it https://www.amazon.in/Philips-WiFi-Remote-Control-Pack/dp/B09QYYRFSN

that was step one, I wanna go further with this and see if I could even get stupid & like run ESPhome on it maybe, but I'd also like to put the firmware I extracted for it where people can find it

PHILIPS Wiz WiFi Remote Control Gen II (Pack of 1)

Philips Smart Wi-Fi LED lighting puts you in complete control with smart bulbs and accessories that are easy to use, functional and affordable. This Smart Wi-Fi Remote provides easy, wireless control for all Philips Wi-Fi and WiZ connected products. Turn lights on or off, change the brightness, t...

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as for the firmware itself: only wanna DM it to someone that can understand it for the earlier mentioned reason, but I will share the output from running binwalk on it:

DECIMAL       HEXADECIMAL     DESCRIPTION
5484          0x156C          CRC32 polynomial table, little endian
73043         0x11D53         Unix path: /dev/uart/0
76232         0x129C8         CRC32 polynomial table, little endian
77256         0x12DC8         SHA256 hash constants, little endian
81860         0x13FC4         AES Inverse S-Box
86212         0x150C4         AES S-Box
solar zealot
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At best you would not copy a device in use but from its factory state

waxen yew
#

Question, I have this automation...
condition: sun
before: sunset
before_offset: "10:00"
What do you read the time offset as?

iron granite
rare patrol
waxen yew
#

yeah but its just a quick question to see what the logic is..

iron granite
waxen yew
#

ok sorry

silent doveBOT
#
The topic of this channel is:

There’s no support here - only chill. Come in, grab a drink, chat with your fellow community members! This is a space to talk to other smart home enthusiasts. If you’re looking for support and unsure where to go, check out https://discord.com/channels/330944238910963714/1284968640189304913 - it should help you find where you are going. No politics, religion, or any other obviously contentious topics! Please ensure you've read the Code of Conduct (https://www.home-assistant.io/code_of_conduct/), and #rules.

red rock
crisp oriole
red rock
#

they do tp link extenders

solar zealot
#

toilet paper extenders yesyes

iron granite
primal laurel
calm crow
#

What's a good way to create backups of HAOS?

solar zealot
#

to go on the backup page and create a backup

calm crow
#

Can you create them to a usb stick?

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OH can you store them on Home Assistant Cloud?? 😮

peak slate
#

Bask in the glory of easy backups

mortal walrus
#

just don't forget to back up your encryption key separately.

crisp oriole
#

Contact. I have to pay 60 euro for them. Oke they are like 35 on marktplaats.

iron granite
calm crow
#

Yeah I've got key on phone now haha for secure

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Other than media, will all automation scripts be backed up too?

peak slate
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Everything, data for all your add-ons, historical data for your sensors, automations, configuration, scripts, etc

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I've fully reinstalled ha and restored the backup and it was as though it were the exact same install

royal ibex
#

Is it my imagination or was there better response rate and discussion on support questions in the old format? So many topics have 0 followups.

red rock
#

I think its now more visible

iron granite
#

Many questions also didn't get any answer in the old chats.

red rock
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Because in the past all those 0 answer questions got overwhelmend by a lot of questions that did get answers

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And now they still stick around and are visible

calm crow
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Forum is good if you're not in a rush for help

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Well, it's tech, Usually when I look for support it's because I'm in the middle of it

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When it comes to advice of purchases then there is no rush

royal ibex
#

I see many support questions pop up here, I guess others get that impression too, but yeah @red rock was probably on the money. Just more visible now. It does feel like more effort though, but more organized. Wish they could be color coded with temperature chart of how well they've been dealt with.

static schooner
#

I would also say that because the topics with low engagement are more visible, they're more likely to get attention. Those are the only ones I look at

calm crow
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When it's community focused, I like instant conversation main reason I joined the server ages ago as it was instant feedback, whether it was support or advice

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Otherwise I'd of stayed on the forums, reddit etc..

royal ibex
calm crow
#

I'm used to the forums approach now on discord, but I did enjoy the "in the moment" support-style

royal ibex
#

Oops the reply moved on me...

red rock
calm crow
#

Yeah, that's true

crisp oriole
#

what is the right channel to ask to to use locally home assistant with ssl instead of my apache proxy. In a way i dont have to manually copy ssl certs from one place to a other?

lone dagger
#

Oh are we beating horses again?

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Are they dead?

crisp oriole
lone dagger
solar zealot
#

why u want to beat me

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send stickers instead

calm crow
#

Just some casual water cooler chat

lone dagger
solar zealot
red rock
#

I think the main reasons things are unanswered is either 1. It's difficult and nobody knows 2. The question already has been answered a million times and its "another one"

calm crow
#

Yeah, in my experience when I usually asked a question somebody would either answer it or point me in right direction whether it was a post or an old message in chat

red rock
#

I mean you can still do that, but now you have to do a little more effort in helping us helping you

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And I know that there is a difference between a quick pointer and a whole question, but a lot of people don't

iron granite
calm crow
#

Yeah, that's true

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didn't discord introduce threads?

distant jewel
#

what all the fuss around deepseek?

calm crow
#

It's free and people hate that

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(if you sell the non-free compeition)

distant jewel
#

so OpenAI is resting?

distant jewel
calm crow
#

resting?

lone dagger
red rock
lone dagger
#

Oh and they did it for less than 6mil.

red rock
#

money?

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that's cool

lone dagger
calm crow
#

What's the conversion for 6mil money

distant jewel
#

waiting for HA Deepseek Integration

lone dagger
#

Depends on the monies we're talking lol.

#

I mean USD to be clear. 😄

clever mortar
distant jewel
#

no need to Host Ollama just to turn on the light?

solar zealot
#

Cash moneys

lone dagger
distant jewel
lone dagger
#

Intents cover most things that people us AI for.

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And if the AI doesn't recognize the command, it will fallback onto intents.

distant jewel
#

such as "my wife is coming home, set the lights"

lone dagger
distant jewel
#

will it follow intent or AI to set the light if wife hasn't been added as a user in HA yet

lone dagger
#

I think (personal opinion) sentence triggers are highly underutilized.

royal ibex
lone dagger
#

Investors worldwide stand to lose more than $1 trillion on Monday because of the sudden fear that the market-sustaining AI spending boom might have been for nothing.
lmfaoooooooooo

lone dagger
#

Autism does that.

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points to username

shadow vapor
#

Anyone else here play with SDR? Got the rtl-sdr dongle... found all the local TPMS sensors, some weather stations, and the neighbor's security system, and 5 bajillion utlility meters

#

I did get my acurite freezer sensors which is the real reason I set it up, but was surprised how much stuff was in range (once I put a cookie sheet under the antenna)

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Only other bit that looks somewhat useful to me is getting temperature and humidity fromt he neighbors weather station... been trying to make an automation that factors in actual rainfall for the irrigation, but local weather makes it feel like a waste whe we have localized rain then the sprinklers run anyway

distant jewel
#

bought a cheap chinese rtl-sdr dongle + rpi 4.

willow kestrel
#

Hey y'all. Building a house right now, and will be doing all the home automation stuff on my own after the fact.

I did my old house almost entirely with Insteon, and I'm leaning Lutron RadioRA3 as a primary lighting & shade solution for this next one (my wife fell in love with Sunnata switches). Anyone here using RA3 with Home Assistant? Can you share your architecture, best practices, etc?

lone dagger
#

They expected innovation, duh. 😂

primal laurel
#

People realizing the Emperor has no clothes

primal laurel
lone dagger
#

This whole situation is quite funny to me. lol

distant jewel
#

USA was passing bills in support of their Ally/master while LA fire was raging. and you except them to funnel money where it matter? matter matter

peak slate
#

NUMBER MUST GO UP

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Stonks!

distant jewel
#

numbers are going down everywhere

#

no politics but this is contradicty news from CNN

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primal laurel
#

Nvidia lost only 15%

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Still way overvalued

lone dagger
#

only

distant jewel
#

this is the time to buy stock in these... as DeepSeek will go the way of Tiktok within 15days

lone dagger
#

Banned for 14 hours? lul3d

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(There are already talks of its banning.)

distant jewel
primal laurel
lone dagger
primal laurel
#

Oh

static schooner
#

for about 2 seconds. I guess all the concerns that congresscritters had are no longer interesting

distant jewel
glacial knot
#

😂 is it even unavailable?

lone dagger
#

My favorite thing about that is the fact that the rest of the world realized how quiet it was without us.

distant jewel
#

now HA yellow with DeepSeek intergration will sell for 20K?

lone dagger
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lmao. "Home Assistant Green with TikTok and DeepSeek pre-installed"

iron granite
distant jewel
#

with ban in place you can't access Tiktok with VPN ?

static schooner
#

there's no ban

distant jewel
#

when there was

lone dagger
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I don't think so. I saw some talks about it not being reliable.

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I am not a TikTok user so I couldn't tell you.

distant jewel
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we dont have a tiktok integration?

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iPhone dont allow sideloading

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that is why we love open-source

lone dagger
distant jewel
primal laurel
distant jewel
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tiktok video being played on Home Assistant Voice Preview Edition

lone dagger
#

I mean, it can be, but not in that sense.

distant jewel
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Dinner is ready Tiktok video

weak musk
#

“Jarvis, enable brain rot protocol”

lone dagger
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Rhys would lose his mind if that was a command. lul

distant jewel
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somone at the door... tiktok video

lone dagger
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OH OH OH Do you think we'd be able to hack something through Android TV then???

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"Don't use TikTok directly through Home Assistant. Instead, go through Google's data collection first to show you your video content via Android TV."

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Look guys I am the best at marketing

primal laurel
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For the love of god can we stop talking about tiktok

static schooner
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you must request that in dance form

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like The Frame TV, but with Tik Tok. I think that's a level of hell

primal laurel
stuck anchor
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maybe the chinese will run over to tiktok now that americans invade rednote

lone dagger
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No no, they've been VERY welcoming.

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That's what's so fucking funny about all this.

desert cave
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how dare people talk to people, lmao

lone dagger
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I am okay with talking to people.

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It's when they try to talk to me that I am annoyed.

desert cave
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haha

distant jewel
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do they talk on tiktok?

static schooner
torpid stirrup
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Where do i go for support on factory restting my HA?

distant jewel
torpid stirrup
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It says I need a tag to post?

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Do I have to wait for a moderator to reveiw myself joing

abstract verge
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Should small questions about integrations go here?

abstract verge
distant jewel
primal laurel
lone dagger
#

Small questions can be asked in relevant community channels, but not in here. If it's a larger support question, you will likely be redirected to the support channels. 🙂

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The only support we offer in here is mental health support. BlobGhostFingerGuns

abstract verge
lone dagger
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MOOD

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I needed it after dealing with Tuya stuff.

abstract verge
#

To be honest I am absolutely amazed at the progress since I last gave HA a shot

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2017 Home Assistant was a different breed

lone dagger
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It sure was! I started things back up last year after not touching it since 2021.

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And then 2024 was the year of refreshing everything - so much was simplified over several months.

sage cedar
lone dagger
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Starting in March last year and then continuing again in September was interesting, but I also think my knowledge on HA grew enough that things weren't so confusing anymore.

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Stupid learning curve is still there.

abstract verge
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Only lights were a bit confusing at first, having to use scenes to get nice lighting conditions is strange to me

lone dagger
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The lights were where I struggled because they are Tuya. And there are like 1380765230123 different integrations for it.

abstract verge
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I'm not impressed with any smart lighting stuff on the market right now anyway

lone dagger
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Absolutely. They can't do much worse than American companies. lul

abstract verge
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Who came up with wireless being the main communication channel for smart homes?!!

lone dagger
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You either have to go super expensive or super cheap. There's like no good way around it. And Matter is starting to come into the picture now.

abstract verge
lone dagger
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Smart bulbs are a good idea in theory.

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But the network clutter is awful.

abstract verge
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I got to set up an entire house of Philips Hue stuff

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Great but the power consumption is gobsmacking

#

All hail WLED but same problem

lone dagger
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The next place I live in I will ask to see some electrical wiring to make sure I can do smart switches instead of the lights.

abstract verge
ocean oar
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Show up to the open home with a screwdriver and just start removing light switches

abstract verge
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Currently developing RGBWW lights that get power and data over CAT ethernet cable

lone dagger
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OOOH

abstract verge
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Unless you ain't got a neutral, theoretically it works but in practice no neutral switches are often meh IMO

#

But it does raise the question

abstract verge
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Even at switches? interesting

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First and probably last time I've been impressed with US electrical code lol

ocean oar
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Now if only they can catch up to what most of the rest of the world did 20+ years ago and mandate half-insulated pins on mains plugs so you can't touch them if they're hanging halfway out of the outlet

abstract verge
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Great for devices without ground

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We shouldn't complain with our freaky mix of CEE7/5 and CEE7/4

ocean oar
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Also while we're at it, what's with US power/lighting hardware having the terminals ON THE SIDE where they're exposed when you remove the plate, and using freaking slotted screws?

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And ugly-ass faceplates also held on with slotted screws

abstract verge
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The plug design is great, just cover the first half of the pins on the device side so it CAN'T happen, and issue whole house RCD's and plastic breaker panels while you're at it!

lone dagger
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You’d think so but no.

#

This house which was built in 2001 has some awful electrical.

abstract verge
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Can I ask questions about scenes here since it isn't really installation related?

lone dagger
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None of the wires are labeled in the gangs, some breakers in the house have 3 rooms on them.

lone dagger
#

Oh wait no, automations.

abstract verge
lone dagger
#

I KNOW THIS PRODUCT I PROMISE

abstract verge
lone dagger
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😂

abstract verge
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I fully agree but it sounds standard to me

desert cave
lone dagger
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I have an electrician friend who I can have come look at things for me, I just haven’t yet.

abstract verge
#

OH and you guys REALLY need to discover WAGO's dude

#

Wirenuts are just BAD

ocean oar
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My house has a lot of things that were legal when they were installed, but not anymore

#

If I want to change them, I have to completely fix them and not just bodge what's there

desert cave
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in my case, every switch had both the side screws and the rear solid wire ports.. they wired to the ports, and left every screw all the way extended.. so there were plenty of live unshielded screw heads very close to each other

ocean oar
#

Nice

desert cave
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(code says if they don't use the screws, they have to be tightened down, but that was never done)

#

Even after re-doing everything, I still have one switch I can't find what it controls, lmao

#

nah.. the attic light has its own switch

abstract verge
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Might be useful for you

desert cave
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neat! I'll have to check that out

abstract verge
#

IMO low voltage-DC ALL the things

forest edge
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called efficiency

abstract verge
#

USB-C is the greatest invention of mankind since fire

lone dagger
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BUT THAT MAKES ME WORRY

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😂

#

Fuck, I hate that standard practice is "whatever works".

desert cave
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I am guessing the switch is a separate toggle for the ceiling fan/light combo in the living room, and they just wired both to one of the switches, since the unit that's there has a remote, then just.. capped off the other without removing the switch, maybe

ocean oar
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Some of this shit makes the "problems" I have seem pretty minor. Wires in our normal mains cable here in NZ are red/black/green. It used to be okay to use that same cable for the likes of 2-way light circuits, with a red sleeve around the wires you'd "converted", but these days you're required to use cable with a yellow jacket instead of white, with red/white/blue cores.

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abstract verge
forest edge
abstract verge
desert cave
lone dagger
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There is something wrong with our ceiling lights in the kitchen because they keep popping bulbs. I looked up the sleeves for the lights to get the correctly rated bulb for them and I still have a fucking light bulb that flickers like it's about to go out. It's maddening.

#

I want to shake whoever did the electrical.

abstract verge
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Worst I saw was a hallway light, flipped the main breaker off, flicked the switch and wouldn't you know it? Hallway light casually turns on

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FREE ENERGY

desert cave
ocean oar
primal laurel
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like 99% of electrical problems are caused by morons doing the installation

ocean oar
#

Backward like P/N swapped?

lone dagger
#

fml

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lol

abstract verge
lone dagger
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wow wtf lol

ocean oar
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Ah yes, the "we think this is good enough for GDPR compliance" special

abstract verge
ocean oar
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Just don't show your website to Europeans at all

lone dagger
abstract verge
lone dagger
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Nah.

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Because it's not just these.

abstract verge
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If the fitting doesn't let them breathe youll get failures VERY quick

lone dagger
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It's worse with others.

ocean oar
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It's definitely store brand, if you enlarge the picture it says "65-Watt Equivalent BR30 Dimmable Flood LED Light Bulb Soft White (12-Pack) by PRIVATE BRAND UNBRANDED"

lone dagger
abstract verge
lone dagger
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These lights have been way more stable than anything else I've bought.

abstract verge
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You really got some messed up wiring then

forest edge
lone dagger
#

EXCEPT FOR ONE

abstract verge
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It's a stretch for a BR30 size

lone dagger
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It took me forever to find enough information on one of the fittings to figure out a brand for them - painters have just straight up sprayed up into these when painting the ceiling and all the product details are painted over.

abstract verge
lone dagger
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There are a lot of problems in this house but we are slowly fixing them (and taking stuff off rent to balance things).

abstract verge
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When you're a casual multimillionair

lone dagger
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Yep, I'll be there in about 2000 years.

abstract verge
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Just go squat

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Or go anywhere in Chicago, MANY abandoned buildings

lone dagger
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I have a preteen child, though, so I suppose I should be slightly responsible.

forest edge
lone dagger
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Sonoma, I would be very surprised if you had procreated. Not that someone wouldn't with you, just that you do not seem like a parent type. lul

solar zealot
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weird apple ad right there

forest edge
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you don't think people shouldn't defend their property from squatters?

lone dagger
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Oh, I thought you were telling me to take the child out back.

#

Old Yeller style.

forest edge
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no

lone dagger
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No no, I absolutely agree that they should have that right. But also I'll sit in your vacation home until you notice.

forest edge
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although that .gif works for that as well. at least my friends with kids would get it lol

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I have a farm house that vacant.. squatters is a real concern and something I've already had to think about a solution for

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and I posted that solution haha

lone dagger
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Oh, willing to rent it out to someone cheap? 👀

ocean oar
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Is it this?

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lone dagger
keen bridge
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Happy nap time to one and all

weak musk
lone dagger
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I will do the same. It's a good idea. I am that annoying.

abstract verge
abstract verge
stuck anchor
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at least that is not a problem where i live. no l/n distinction here. it is ac after all. so we just have l1/l2. 🙂

lone dagger
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Oh gods I don't even know all that for mine!

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D:

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D: D: D:

#

Now it is lol.

#

It's killing 2 birds with 1 stone for us - my kid isn't a problem anymore and he gets to feel like he protected his property!
-# For legal reasons, this is a joke.

forest edge
# abstract verge I don't think so

so when a squatter moves into your home, changes your locks and dosen't let you back in and remain homeless for the months it takes to evict them you'll be happy?

lone dagger
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-# Y'all would find out about my morbid sense of humor eventually...

abstract verge
forest edge
#

real world news shows diffrent lol

abstract verge
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And look at the other side, more properties in use means lower property prices

abstract verge
forest edge
abstract verge
weary bone
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I have a quick question about espHome.

Does esp home require a “hub” of any sorts? Aka an esp device that’s set up to connect additional devices? I get the feeling that it is, but that hub is the home assistant addon, not an additional piece of hardware.

I’m not great with words. If you can understand my question, could you shed light on the subject for me?

primal laurel
forest edge
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vacant buildings lower property taxes, not filling them lol

abstract verge
forest edge
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oh I guess i'm talking with the young

lone dagger
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Hey now, Sonoma is just our Grumpy Uncle.

primal laurel
stuck anchor
#

lower property prices ≠ lower property taxes

abstract verge
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Increase supply is all you need

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Cuz you can't lower demand

lone dagger
#

🟨 We're bordering politics chat, friends.

weary bone
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I think having a wireless network was assumed in my scenario. Unless you’re talking about something different.

abstract verge
forest edge
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someone should tell this guy that