the-water-cooler

[midnight adder]

my only conclusion: zigbee lights are too slow

[clear ferry]

I had 140 of them

And didn't think they were slow

[midnight adder]

for music sync ... should be around 10 ms? can you measure your latency?

[lone dagger]

There's a new keyboard coming out I thought was shared here that's....Matter certified, I think.

[clear ferry]

It's about 9 inches

[lone dagger]

Gotta memorize your key mapping.

[midnight adder]

SnazzyLab has a video about matter ... such a shitshow. Basically only HA supports matter 😄

[clear ferry]

Zigbee 4 lyfe

[midnight adder]

proof with a latency test 😄 I bet it's more like 300 ms than 10

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/88ragz-daddy-gif-21622862

[midnight adder]

so what's the issue? 😄

it's just a compliment to HA

and google is a disgrace....

switch to HA? well that was not the point of the video .. the point was to expose that matter versions / featuresets should be updated accordingly / more frequently by the big tech so that the end user don't get confused and have to check everything twice if something is working with their smart home. Of course HA is always the solution 😄

I learned a lot about the protocol through that video – I recommend watching it

[glacial knot]

not until I'm motivated to buy a device that requires it, and thus a suitable adapter

[midnight adder]

that was the conclusion of that video 😄

anyhow... we got esphome at home 😄

[unborn merlin]

except there's nothing to force the big companies to do it

that is the problem 😄

[midnight adder]

I'll write to the EU commission

[unborn merlin]

they aren't going to care about matter 🤣

[midnight adder]

it's litteraly in the name

[unborn merlin]

Amazon is already losing hilarious amounts of money on alexa

I imagine googles not much different

[midnight adder]

Dear EU Comiitee,

please consider this matter as high priority

done.

[midnight adder]

also it's apple's worst product

[unborn merlin]

matter is sort of the opposite of what they want

ish

Because it lets other companies get data and etc if they're supporting it more readily

the more of your personal data goes through their hub shit the more they profit

matter doesn't really give them that exactly.. 😄

[midnight adder]

it's not their proprietary protocol in short, yes

but I mean ... imagine after 20 years we got RCS! it's possible.

[primal laurel]

we still need to enforce a smart energy standard for buildings. EV chargers, solar panels, batteries, HVAC, it's all proprietary

[unborn merlin]

maybe in another 30 years

[midnight adder]

KNX is a standard 😄

[unborn merlin]

after proper climate damage has really settled in. /s

[primal laurel]

not for energy

it's basically between S2 and EEBUS

[midnight adder]

but I hope there are at least one manufacturer who is chosen by us nerd folk because it is open?

[primal laurel]

not sure what you mean?

[unborn merlin]

thats called esphome

😛

[midnight adder]

hmmm like ... easy to control through rs432 or something 😄

or MQTT by default

or what evrer

[glacial knot]

ya, if you solder in the esp32 😂

[primal laurel]

oh no, it doesnt enforce any of that

[unborn merlin]

yeah but serial would require a house that has the wires in already for supporting such.. I mean yeah you could re-use telephone lines in some case but ehh.

[midnight adder]

yeah but I'm talking about the other hardware ... like Wechselrichter uhm what is it called in english 😄

the transformator after the solarpanel

[unborn merlin]

inverter

[midnight adder]

yes

[unborn merlin]

some inverters do have a serial output

but whether or not that protocol is documented or not...

[midnight adder]

uhm... you need to bring the power into the house anyways ... not a problem to add a CAT cable you can use for LAN or abuse for serial?

[primal laurel]

it doesn't matter, the device giving it commands doesn't have to know

[unborn merlin]

that depends on how much people feel like putting holes in their walls.

thus why most things trend towards some wifi based proprietary hub stuff..

[midnight adder]

well I want accurate metrics (realtime, 1 ms latency!! the most!) from the inverter ^^

[primal laurel]

all cables running to our inverter are in the same tube, so we just added cat5

[unborn merlin]

most inverters aren't going to output at that frequency.. 🤣

[midnight adder]

again. there is no way around holes with solar.

[midnight adder]

cat7 is my lowest standard 😛

[midnight adder]

I bet there are ones with analog outputs 😄

[unborn merlin]

cat7 isn't a standard. 😉

[midnight adder]

way faster then

[midnight adder]

errrmm actualllyyyyy 😛

okay teach me

[unborn merlin]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HomeNetworking/comments/rpuwew/its_been_said_before_but_ill_say_it_again_stop/?rdt=53967

[midnight adder]

😄

[unborn merlin]

I'll cut it out of the page too.

First off: There is no such thing as "consumer grade" category 7 cable. No matter what you may see advertised, anything branded as "Category 7" is not actually Cat7 - it's most likely Cat5, or Cat6 at best. "Real" Cat7 cabling is insanely expensive, is only available from commercial suppliers, and the connectors won't work with consumer hardware.

Category 7 is not a TIA/EIA standard, nor is it intended for use with 8P8C (RJ45) connectors. It is specifically for use in data centers with specialized equipment.

Category 6a is rated for 10 Gbps to 100 meters; the next logical step up from this would be Category 8.1, at 40Gbps but limited to 36 meters or less - although even data centers typically use fiber for anything above 1Gbps.

Category 7 cable has individually shielded twisted pairs and is designed to be used with TERA or GG45 connectors, both of which bond the shielding of the cable to the body of the connector so as to ground the entire cable. TERA/GG45 connectors are not compatible with 8P8C connectors, and attempting to use Category 7 cable with 8P8C may result in signal degradation due to currents induced in the unbonded shielding. It's also a real pain in the arse to terminate due to that extra shielding

If you're concerned about future proofing, Cat6a should be sufficient. If you want especially clean lines, get shielded cable, although this is unlikely to be of any benefit for the vast majority of people.

[midnight adder]

"reddit". okay from now on cat7 is cat6a 😄

[unborn merlin]

Doesn't change the fact its still not a TIA/EIA standard.

[midnight adder]

smarter every day! you know before I left the house I thought "what will I learn today" – I can cross that out now 😄

[dawn badge]

if someone has a cat7 cable with an rj45 on it then they are objectivly doing it wrong

[primal laurel]

fuck electrons, go optical

[midnight adder]

I only know TAE plugs. those are for telephones back in the days ^^

[unborn merlin]

no fuck both and just put conduit in your walls.

then you may have whatever you want as needed.

[midnight adder]

cat6 or 6a? cat8 or 8.1?

you gotta be more specfic

(I already can nerd as good as @unborn merlin :D)

[dawn badge]

i would love to run fibre through the house to connect my rack and desk but i have to win other people over in orfer to be able to do that and so far its not come to pass

[unborn merlin]

not that you will ever really need fiber in your house..

Cat6 is good enough if you were able to swing that for 99.9% of cases.

e7?

[midnight adder]

that was a tough abbreviation

[unborn merlin]

most people will call that "enterprise" but yes they do work well enough.

[midnight adder]

I heard only good things about their ecosystem with nvr etc.

[unborn merlin]

Its.. good ish?

Some decisions they make are utterly baffling.

[dawn badge]

i would also be fine with cat6/6a but if i am gunna run cable i might as well run fibre

[unborn merlin]

most of the baffling is on their software stuff

[midnight adder]

yeah I decided against their ecosystem as well for reasons

happy now

[unborn merlin]

well my house is using google wifi; thats because it was back before unifi stuff got cheaper and more accesisble

[primal laurel]

last year at my uni they did an experiment to reach 22.9 petabit/s to transfer a single file, that was the world record. Somebody might have beat it in the meantime

[midnight adder]

also since I can use Apple Cloud for endless camera recordings through HKVS etc.

[unborn merlin]

solution: just multiplex more wavelengths

[midnight adder]

didn't @tidal bronze look for a solution to backup his video streams?

[unborn merlin]

the solution to backup for video streams is "Build a NAS"

[midnight adder]

nah, I've been there 😄

it's so expensive

[unborn merlin]

though arguably.. video recordings from cameras I would rate fairly low on the hierarchy of things to care about backing up

[midnight adder]

and then I would have to trust my skills 😄

[primal laurel]

750 wavelength channels covering 19 THz bandwidth over a few-mode multi-core fiber with 114 spatial channels

[midnight adder]

those are crazy numbers

[unborn merlin]

getting truenas up is not that hard.. I'm about to

tho I'm gonna do proxmox and put truenas inside of that because I want to virtualize my gpu a bit for a few small VM things..

[midnight adder]

I have several NAS.... I haven't even turned on for years

[unborn merlin]

i'm condensing my little home-server stuff

[midnight adder]

problem is: they're always full.

[unborn merlin]

I built during college years ago a server that I thought I was gonna do more with.. and I didn't.

[midnight adder]

also I stopped collecting data 😄

[unborn merlin]

dual xeon trash taking energy.

so switching to a 14th gen intel mobile (weird chinese board) build with 16 port SAS card and etc.

[midnight adder]

I got a cheapo low energy thing... can't even remember how they're called and a crappy synology

[midnight adder]

yeah I mean... it's something to impress the other gender I have to admit 😄

[dawn badge]

i replaced a dual xeon system a while back because of power. my entire rack uses less power than that thing did

[unborn merlin]

yeah, my exact point 🤷‍♂️

Have an M40 in that thing right now for transcode power

the 14th gen will take less than half of one of that things cpus at idle probably and have transcoding built in..

[midnight adder]

yeah might upgrade my NAS at one point ... I think my CPU is called G450 or something... no idea 😄

that was a n100 at the times I think kinda

[unborn merlin]

Starting at 3 drives on this build

[midnight adder]

I will consider proxmox when they drop the orange 😄

[unborn merlin]

used enterprise recertified drive stuff

So not that expensive. 🤷‍♂️

[midnight adder]

and put dark mode screenshots on their website

[midnight adder]

but then mind blowing 20 TB disks? 😄

[dawn badge]

my current plans are:
upgrade storage array - currently an almost full 4x16tb raid6 array with drives over 3 years old
upgrade gpu in the "big" server so i can run llm - it currently only has a 1650 super for transcoding
add a n150 to run haos on (probably via proxmox) - to replace the HA yellow

[midnight adder]

imagine rebuilding a 3 drive cluster 😄

[unborn merlin]

many people seem perfectly fine using them

Also running z1 plan

[midnight adder]

with 22 tb disks

[unborn merlin]

well as I"m not a manchild crying on twitter level of rich I have to go with what I can afford. 😉

[dawn badge]

HDD prices seem to be really volitile. i am hoping for them to stabalise after the post CES product releases

[midnight adder]

so you're only a millionaire doing raids with 3x 100 tb nvmes? 😄

[unborn merlin]

also only went with the 12tb ones.

[unborn merlin]

I'm also not an IT furry.

which source you use? 🤔

[midnight adder]

wasn't that a scandal? I think I saw a contractor who sold such disks 😄

often with the data not erased

[unborn merlin]

ehhhhhhh... I don't know about going to amazon for most of that stuff tbh.

like.. serverpartdeals and etc is good.. amazon is.. ehhhhhhhh

[dawn badge]

there are some official sellers of factory recertified drives

[unborn merlin]

also got a few smaller toshiba-SAS SSD's that I'll be using in another raidz1 for more important/faster data stuff

those I don't expect to ever kill.. 🤷‍♂️

[midnight adder]

I hope you live far away 😄 the three words SAS give me vietnam flashbacks from server rooms 😄

[unborn merlin]

my HBA already supports em so.. 🤷‍♂️

[clear ferry]

laughs in 1920 drive arrays

[midnight adder]

I only know 1920x1080 pixelarrays

[dawn badge]

there was a deal on these few days ago at 284GBP i think it was but i didnt pull the trigger
https://datablocks.dev/products/seagate-exos-26-tb-sata-recertified-hard-drive?_pos=2&_fid=698524129&_ss=c

[ocean oar]

I still have nightmares about the SIX RACK Netapp cluster at work.
Four controllers, and from memory it was 52 4U shelves (1248x 600GB 15krpm drives).

I bet people were in awe of its performance when it was new

[unborn merlin]

I am only aware of what netapp is becaus eof an LTT video. xD

[midnight adder]

so you're the folk are the ones collecting all the COMPLETE WITH ALL BONUSES BLURAYS that weigh 150GB? 😄

[dawn badge]

i am thinking about the sheet weight and also the start up power

[ocean oar]

Only disk shelves I've ever seen that had all 4 PSUs installed. Most only have 2

[midnight adder]

I honestly don't know what to do with so much storage

[dawn badge]

i got until this fills up to solve the issue, so its not critical but i am officialy in the nervous state

[clear ferry]

All xyratex 4U shelves have always room for 4, but I've only seen 2

[unborn merlin]

yeah I'm planning to just grow my array when I have spare money and it needs it.. in groups of three drives

[ocean oar]

Apparently 15k drives was key 😄

[unborn merlin]

hate it all you want its here to stay 😄

[midnight adder]

omg netapp ad is super convinving 😄 stockfootage AI.. AI.. AI ... more stockfootage 😄

[unborn merlin]

"Oh you're using AI.. so your company is too destitute you're saying?"

[midnight adder]

at least they have a hardware product 😄

[ocean oar]

Netapp have been making bespoke storage servers for 20+ years

They're actually pretty cool

[clear ferry]

Just buy an Alletra MP B10000 or X10000

[midnight adder]

I'll buy all solution and report back

can somebody lend me 10k?

or 30 rather

[unborn merlin]

for what, the power supplies?

https://tenor.com/view/he-he-he-laughing-funny-lizard-heh-heh-heh-gif-5728538792722150615

[midnight adder]

😛

[ocean oar]

As much as I hate racking 10U chunguses (chungi?), this was my favourite form factor they made.
Motherboards up the middle, PCIe expansion (HBAs, NICs, etc) in the horizontal slots on the sides.
Two nodes for HA in one box.

Seems like they've killed this one and gone back to each node being in a separate box again though

[clear ferry]

I loved racking the 18U RX8660

[midnight adder]

so turns out everyone in this channel is basically living in his own datacenter

[unborn merlin]

The "Fuck your back" form factor

[ocean oar]

https://serverlift.com/data-center-lifts/sl-500x/

[midnight adder]

it's set and forget ... then you sell from the rack

[primal laurel]

small NAS is enough for me

[unborn merlin]

I'd half expect to just see them attaching rails to the ceiling with something that can do pickups..

[clear ferry]

These suck in container DCs because the top lifts, so you can only go 80% up on a 48U rack

[unborn merlin]

remember for that last 20%

Lift with your back and scrotum

[primal laurel]

y

[midnight adder]

https://tenor.com/view/carry-a-heavy-amplifier-bradley-hall-attempt-to-transport-an-amplifier-it's-too-heavy-gif-1089681106518422990

like this

[unborn merlin]

no its clearly resting on his leg smh

[midnight adder]

😄

[unborn merlin]

its a joke.. 😛

[midnight adder]

that's what powerlifters do

[clear ferry]

Nice to have DCs to drop into warzones

And to put in the middle of nowhere where you have water

[ocean oar]

Hilariously, they seem to have thought about that, and produce a very expensive box you can screw onto the platform 😄
https://serverlift.com/data-center-lifts/attachments/rl-500-riser/

I agree though, it's not perfect. But definitely the best of all the options I've tried

[primal laurel]

we will need this soon when WW3 starts

not sure whether the US will be an ally or an enemy yet but prepare for both

[midnight adder]

do you have faradayan cages already for your LoraWAN setup and linux hardware with all important packages installed?

[clear ferry]

They are already not an ally @primal laurel

[midnight adder]

is there a emergency linux advice btw?

[clear ferry]

Brb wiretap Germans

[midnight adder]

should I clone important repositories? how much data is that?

[primal laurel]

5 data

[midnight adder]

I bought ESPs in bulk. I'm going to become rich when I manage to save them from EMP ^^

and have a linux machine that still runs without internet 😄

[stuck anchor]

i see the cool thing in youtube channels nowadays is mini racks. 10" wide i think? 4 or 8u

[primal laurel]

we are one step ahead, our new prime minister was previously the head of the secret service

[midnight adder]

tbh I'd love to see raspberry catching up and be as good as n100

it's just sad how everyone is saying "get a n100" and not "just get a raspi"

[unborn merlin]

well if you want transcoding.. the rpi isn't the answer 😄

because they dropped the x264 hardware.

[midnight adder]

nothing more sexy than a nvme raid scewed onto a raspi 😄

[primal laurel]

different usecases, some overlap. Both can exist just fine

[midnight adder]

nah, I want speed

[primal laurel]

if speed was important for HA it wouldn't have been built with python

[midnight adder]

hmmmh... not even adding hvec or something?

[midnight adder]

well HA runs perfectly fine in my eyes - even on a rpi2 probably 😄

[primal laurel]

exactly 😄

[unborn merlin]

Pi 5 only has a 4K60 HEVC decoder.

[midnight adder]

also it's just enough for me. but I just don't wanna hear the "get a n100 - a REAL computer!"

😛

[unborn merlin]

more CPU sure, but y'know.. having hardware transcodes is just.. better?

[dawn badge]

how about a n150?

[primal laurel]

a pi is not the right device for a media server

hence it doesnt need a transcoder

the pi people probably know that...

[unborn merlin]

yet weird that pi3/4 had it huh?

[midnight adder]

mpeg mafia is to blame probably

[primal laurel]

yup

[midnight adder]

two licenses would have cost a fortune maybe

[unborn merlin]

oddly seemed to work just fine on the 3/4.

[midnight adder]

yeah just use a LG now, right? 😄 as it's rooted. I used when I had a big flatscreen Apple TV with some custom app that was okay'ish

[primal laurel]

well the silicon had it. It might just be the chip they chose, doubt they chose it because of the transcoder

[unborn merlin]

when you are at the scale of the pi foundation you can in fact ask mfr's to give you things when planning a new massive product release..

[midnight adder]

well... you think mpeg mafia won't reasses every contract monthly if they can press more money out of victims?

[midnight adder]

but tbh ... Pi was always too bad for being a real media player imho... I used it a few times for party visuals – only was possible with those special encoding formats (only used by / invented for raspi kinda)

[primal laurel]

what I think happened is that broadcom told them the video IP cores were $$$$ and they said fuck that

[ocean oar]

The difference between the various N CPUs is confusing: https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/compare.html?productIds=231805,231806,231800,231803,241636
A lot of it is just iGPU differences

The N300 seems like it would be good, just isn't very common.

[dawn badge]

yeah, n150 is slightly higher clock but also some of the minipc's with it have the psu integrated into it too so you dont need a "brick"

[ocean oar]

I'm using one of the Minisforum ones that has the N100 and runs from PoE: https://store.minisforum.com/products/minisforum-s100

[midnight adder]

looks like a usb hub with hdmi 😄

[ocean oar]

It does throttle pretty badly when it's running from the PoE supply (really doesn't have the cooling for it), but I'm very seldom running it hard enough for that to be an issue

[unborn merlin]

wild how things can get that tiny..

[ocean oar]

It does bear a striking resemblance

[unborn merlin]

and also yeah.. POE gets dummy hot on things just dropping voltage down.. Unifi has a business-focused door control system that has its inside-door-open button thing just get like.. warm enough that its almost uncomfortable to touch

[primal laurel]

reminds me of this thing

[dawn badge]

i wouldnt mind something like that but i need to upgrade my racks switch to something with 2.5gbe poe and 2.5gbe + poe is starting to get pricey and then i also want sfp+... thats where the price jumps all the way up

[ocean oar]

You beat me to it slightly, I was thinking this one (which has just about all the same connectors)

[midnight adder]

beautiful hub - is it still sold?

[primal laurel]

yes

have been recommending it for years because its cheap and has plenty of ports 😂

but to be honest you might want something with usb-c now

[midnight adder]

nah, I got tons of china USB led lights 😄

need good power hubs for these

[ocean oar]

7 port hubs have always been... funky... too. Because most USB hub ICs are 4 ports, a 7 port hub is usually two 4 port hubs, one connected to the other.

[midnight adder]

yeah I learned about this recently

usb scene is weird 😄 I want full funnctionality! be able to switch every port

because the protocol has that included

but it's cheaper that way...

[primal laurel]

reminds me of this piece of shit

5GB/s my ass

[unborn merlin]

ah yes the bastard microusb port with the extra bit

[primal laurel]

this thing is trash, dont buy it

[unborn merlin]

I only needed to see the microusb or w/e that is to know that

[ocean oar]

Honestly with that kind of quality, I'm surprised it doesn't plug in with an A-male to A-male cable

That's a usual warning sign for electronics that are best avoided

[primal laurel]

worked at a startup which had these on every desk

[midnight adder]

https://tenor.com/view/run-running-running-away-gif-26050954

[primal laurel]

oh much worse things happened than that

startups are fun

[midnight adder]

so you got stock options from a few and don't need to work anymore? then yes! 😄

[primal laurel]

not worth it 🤣

[tropic hedge]

Is there nowhere to discuss node-red here anymore?

[cerulean karma]

#1284980040940912641 has a node-red tag for focused questions. Random chatter though... 🤷‍♂️ ?

[weak musk]

#1284980040940912641 with the node red tag

[cerulean karma]

https://tenor.com/view/finger-gun-joe-biden-jim-carrey-saturday-night-live-blow-gif-19311795

[tropic hedge]

ouch, that's too bad, that was a nice community. Thanks for the info

[lone dagger]

Node-RED does have their own community forums, too. 🙂

[unborn merlin]

dammit missy you know the younger folks don't know what a forum is can you put that into brainrot? /s

[cerulean karma]

Given that we're on young-folk IRC right at this moment, give them a few years, they'll figure forums out eventually.

[unborn merlin]

this isnt anything like IRC.

It has very little obnoxious involved to get into it..

[tropic hedge]

I've been around since usenet on terminal emulators and on EFnet since we had to worry about flash.c and then winnuke. I understand the ephemeral issue of Discord and there's no winning either way, it's just unfortunate that we lost a few good hangouts like node-red and all the frigate talk in cameras

[cerulean karma]

I think it's the easy access to memes, really.

[tropic hedge]

true enough

[midnight adder]

oh Severance S02 is out

time to finish S01 😄

[ocean oar]

One episode is out. It's weekly

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-tissue-gif-22251864

[midnight adder]

see how good it is to not have finished S01? 😛

I had fear that it's not worth it 😦

[warm arrow]

Hi all! In the instructions for installing HASS via Docker, it says to use --network=host, which causes it to be accessible from 0.0.0.0:8123 ... not knowing Docker very well, how do I change that for it to be accessible from only a specific IP, 10.0.0.1:8123 in my case?

[lone dagger]

I've watched that show twice already, cannot wait to see ep 1.

[warm arrow]

(Sorry, didn't want to post that in any of the support channels, since it's a Docker question more than a HASS question)

[unborn merlin]

https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/http/#server_host

[warm arrow]

ah, alright, so just the normal way. no special Docker stuff. thanks!

[desert cave]

lmao.. so I've been fighting with getting Frigate fully working with my Reolink cameras.. problems getting the 4K streams to load at full res for recording and all that.. on a whim, I just added the cameras to HA directly.. and all the features I wanted.. just work.. I don't need Frigate at all.

[grizzled gull]

What are you using frigate for?

[lone dagger]

New mobile UI for me.

[unborn merlin]

eh?

[lone dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/bender-futurama-neat-wow-gif-5744318

[unborn merlin]

thats probably because you're not catering to reolink's bullshit correctly?

I'd imagine reolink in HA uses a specific plugin to get their streams in whatever non-standard-bullshit manner 😛

probably have to use.. go2rtc as an intermediary for reolink proper streaming

[grizzled gull]

I have 1 reolink camera, my doorbell, and I refuse to upgrade the firmware

[desert cave]

so I can get the streams to load without go2rtc, but go2rtc itself refuses to load the 4K streams. it just gives a black screen for only those. Anything below that works fine

[unborn merlin]

hm

[grizzled gull]

You sure its not a browser issue?

[unborn merlin]

I'm still thinking its probably some reolink-shit because I know the reolinks I had to use somewhere required some extra bullshit just to get streams working properly.

[grizzled gull]

many browsers don't support x265

[unborn merlin]

what are you talking about.. 🤣

[grizzled gull]

I ran into the same issues with my camera's

[unborn merlin]

more browsers and mobile phones probably support x265 than server hardware that good portion of people use do.

[grizzled gull]

not reolink they wouldn't play my camera's

[desert cave]

oh it most definitely is Reolink's fault, haha

[grizzled gull]

until it got switched to x264

All I'm saying it double check its not the browser 🙂

[unborn merlin]

its almost certainly reolink.

😛

[tidal bronze]

Huh?

Exactly!

[desert cave]

anyway, I had the good sense to stick microSD cards in the cameras when I was putting them up, so they can just record internally and HA can access and download/play the recordings :D

[tidal bronze]

Some treat HA as an extended remote control as well. So it all makes sense, I guess.

[desert cave]

yeah, fair.. want to make a guess on how often? just curious

[unborn merlin]

constant writing does burn through sd cards fairly quickly its why people prefer not to use sd cards long term on pi's..

(also why frigate has that ram-swap space instead)

[ocean oar]

If you want it to be less often, buy larger capacity cards (and make sure they're the "endurance" models), then for a belt-and-braces solution make the partition not 100% of the capacity

But temperature is still a bit of a killer

[unborn merlin]

alternatively: avoid reolink

😛

[tidal bronze]

Nothing wrong with them at all. https://docs.frigate.video/configuration/camera_specific/

[unborn merlin]

sold NVR's are less performant/feature-full than frigate is tho

[unborn merlin]

this discussion was literally started by someone who was having issues with em.. 😛

[tidal bronze]

I run them. No issues.

[unborn merlin]

hell unifi could support so many more features if it tried to.

like.. they could get a coral accel inside probably 😛

if the software supported it I mean..

[desert cave]

any 4K cameras? Those are the ones I'm having issues with

(and assume newer.. we bought them all in the last 6 months)

[unborn merlin]

what sort of 4k are we talking.

Are we talking "actually 4k resolution" or "aliexpress china-4k" 🤣

[desert cave]

well the videos the cameras record are actually 4K, so the optics and hardware are fine

[tidal bronze]

What's the issue?

[desert cave]

clear/highres stream won't load/gives black screen for go2rtc and frigate docs say that's needed for playback at full res

[tidal bronze]

rtc url?

[desert cave]

onvif://view:<pw>@<ip>:8000?subtype=000 though I tried the RTSP link too

[tidal bronze]

POE?

[desert cave]

yeah

CX810

[tidal bronze]

I don't use onvif so can't say much.

1reolink:
- "ffmpeg:http://192.168.X.X/flv?port=1935&app=bcs&stream=channel0_main.bcs&user=sample-user&password=sample-password#video=copy#audio=copy#audio=opus"
reolink_cx810:`

Tried this already?

[desert cave]

hmm I haven't.. I'll try that out I guess :D

[tidal bronze]

also make sure you are 264 and not 265

[unborn merlin]

looks like it defaults to h265 on 4k.

whether it will let you use 264 on 4k or not.. who knows 🤷‍♂️

[desert cave]

yeah I'm not sure that's changable.. hmm

[tidal bronze]

You got extra juice with your frigate machine? You could re-encode as well.

[unborn merlin]

a lot of juice.. or a modern GPU

[tidal bronze]

GPU? Are we talking watermelons?

[desert cave]

I am planning on sticking a GPU in the server, haha

[unborn merlin]

get a battlemage gpu or something 😛

[tidal bronze]

I run 22 on frigate. Some are reolinks.

Not a single hiccup.

[tidal bronze]

Try it out. Pretty sure you can sort this out.

[lone dagger]

It's interesting. Seems to attempt to lessen the friction of needing to press and hold to do those 3 things. I am not too bothered by it.

[solar zealot]

good thing i didnt purchase one yet ^^ ;D

[unborn merlin]

I did say modern gpu.. 😄

and battlemage (if you can get one) fits that well

[tidal bronze]

So tell us about your frigate setup

[desert cave]

I mean, I know a few people have a hateboner for Reolink and apparently their older cameras are garbage, but other than the connection issues, the cameras themselves have been great.. good image and sound quality, no cloud account requirement.. tbh a big help would be if Frigate had their own community, lol

[unborn merlin]

Ironically I don't have my own 😄

but I do manage two for someone else at their house/business. 🤣

[tidal bronze]

Oh, that explains a lot 👌

[unborn merlin]

oh there's a few reolinks.

though unsure whether reolink or unifi are more annoying; the unifi cameras just.. eat goddamned CPU cycles up for some reason. 🤷‍♂️

its not all unifi; only external

the inside cameras (of which there are many) we elected to not have the place spend 3000$+ to do. 😛

[solar zealot]

I am just about to planning on which new cams to put up. Not having Frigate work properly kinda defies the purchase. But on the other hand there aren't others available here which i would consider

Even got a coral :'v

[tidal bronze]

What kinda dip? So many options but me hungry.

[unborn merlin]

'available here'? You can't ali order? 🤔

[solar zealot]

Of course I can order ewaste, but why would I want to do that

I already have such in place, it's terrible

[unborn merlin]

I mean.

You can in fact get decent chinese cameras that work the same.

(Reolink is of course, also just chinese cameras..)

[solar zealot]

I'm really not enjoying to find out which ones are good

[unborn merlin]

I mean.. I recently got a few that used for the warehouse; then ordered some more for later use that are outdoor style cameras that.. I believe are the same chipset inside.. If ye want I can share 🤣

oh and they have open telnet port.. and the password is known/cracked. 🤣

[solar zealot]

I already have such beasts

There may be a car in this image

[weak musk]

I think I'd rather not have a camera based on that

[unborn merlin]

this is the lower res cheaper version.

[weak musk]

this looks 10000000x better

[solar zealot]

A lot of rolls

[unborn merlin]

and as said.. that'st he lower res one. (and of course a lot of rolls, its a textile warehouse.)

[solar zealot]

I mean I could just ignore frigate and buy their NVR but that would be a bit of a cheat, especially as that ain't even good

[unborn merlin]

That view is this camera at 4MP. https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256807212792794.html

so there is an 8MP too.

[solar zealot]

Whomst can we stick poke to fix it ;D

[unborn merlin]

thats also the indoor camera

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256805348227700.html

This is the outdoor version, same sensors I believe as far as I've poked about them

There are a few small caveats about it

1. it doesn't like to connect if its not on a 192.168.1.x network to start (you have to go in and enable dhcp and such; in fact dhcp is only enabled once at the start otherwise; unsure why)
2. the keyframe settings are a bit odd.

on the other hand.. 18$ for POE 4MP, 26$ for POE 8MP..

that is not bad price wise I think

and the telnet port is open and available.. for fixing issues if need be or taking a deeper peek. 🤣 (though I had to fix a few over the UART on a camera thats settings decided to get locked up after some vlan shit before I knew about the first caveat..)

[solar zealot]

it isnt

It sits on top of the garage. It's just that bad ^^

[unborn merlin]

also as a note.. as I found this out myself sadl

their cheap PTZ (https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256806177994524.html? ) does not work with frigate

doesn't support the relative-moment thing and etc. 😦

its controllable yes and can be moved on the frigate controls.. but can't auto-track.

and the app to set it up sucks ass. 😦

[solar zealot]

70-100 bucks without shipping ain't exactly cheap

[unborn merlin]

hm?

[solar zealot]

That kinda purchase is a bit too suspicious for me ^^

[unborn merlin]

what kind?

🤔 where did I list anything that was 70-100$ either..

[desert cave]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6hIXB62bUE

[solar zealot]

that's what their "non discounted" price says

[unborn merlin]

oh please you know how aliexpress works

they pretend thats the price and that they're giving you a sale; when that is the regular price.

[solar zealot]

You don't usually get those once logged in in my experience if they even consider shipping it to you

[unborn merlin]

I've looked up the camera module inside of these things

they sell for 15$ on alibaba

I don't know how they fucking sell these things so cheap

[solar zealot]

It's either the fakest thing or it's simply ewaste that needs to go

[unborn merlin]

it has onboard person recognition and x264 and x265

🤣

[solar zealot]

for sure

[unborn merlin]

I even have a firmware dump.

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256803242651876.html module inside.. probably an expensive seller.

I do wish it was supproted by openIPC tho, that'd be awesome.

But its not and I don't understand firmware dev enough to make it so. 💔

[unborn merlin]

thats one of the neater.. but at the same time basically nearly worthless open source things.. They don't list any cameras that are known to have supported chipsets anywhere. 😐

[midnight adder]

damn... again I can cross one off my list for what I learned today 😄 cool stuff this IPC – do you know any cams? 😄

[unborn merlin]

No.

Or I'd be buying and flashing them

[midnight adder]

oh it has a supported hardware tab 😄

[unborn merlin]

they only list chipsets.

which guess what..

none of the sellers list that shit

you can buy raw modules.

But at that point you may as well just strap a pi zero2w and a camera together and shove it in a 3d printed case.

[midnight adder]

well guess what... there might be actual people working there answering questions 😄

or don't they know either 😄

[unborn merlin]

its a telegram thing, and not really and they don't really.. do that much

[midnight adder]

telegram as in app or how long it takes 😄

[unborn merlin]

as in the app

[midnight adder]

well, gimme the contacts, I'll ask 😄

[unborn merlin]

I already have

they don't.. and don't seem to want to

which just like.. whut

[midnight adder]

know or want to say

or both

[unborn merlin]

who knows? it doesn't matter I didn't get any information. 😄

[midnight adder]

maybe try to get a technician not a regular joe probably doing child labor 😄

the karen style

[unborn merlin]

telegram is where I asked.

aliexpress sellers

are not going to give you shit.

they don't know or care. 🤣

[midnight adder]

"Can I speak to the manager please"

...fake "substantial amount orders" 😄

[unborn merlin]

that doesn't work in not-america on the internet.

[midnight adder]

we can crack them 😄

do they have telephone? 😄

maybe we can guess the direct number for the techician department

[midnight adder]

substantial amount orders always work

[unborn merlin]

aliexpress sellers.

Do not have technician departments.

they're rebadging shit from somewhere else

[midnight adder]

okay... hm. we need to get closer to the source then.

[unborn merlin]

the default password on those modules is the same as the keview cameras

which tells me they're literally just slapping it in a generic box (it literally just says their company name and HD camera on it)

[midnight adder]

like in every biz... always best to cut the middle man 😄

honestly somebody needs to move there and establish some business relations.

I'd do it. Save some money folks 😄

[unborn merlin]

https://openipc.org/cameras/vendors/novatek <- they have the module this camera uses listed; just no supprot

[midnight adder]

what about this: https://www.chip1stop.com/BD/en?makerCd=SIGM&keyword=SigmaStar+Technology&keyWordFlg=true

[unborn merlin]

A site for ordering SOC's with a MOQ of 50?

[midnight adder]

https://xonztech.com/product/5mp-ip-camera-moduleswith-zoom-program/ they seem to produce

what's the latest and greatest sony sensor for those boards?

SONY IMX335 <-- good?

[unborn merlin]

the issue is.

its not really.. all that cheap.. to throw togethre your own quick power module+watertight seal + IR led module + etc on top of that and put it in a waterproof case

thus what makes openIPC sort of a joke unless your goal is spending more than you really should ever have to; to have fully-yours-cameras functioning as they should.

[midnight adder]

well choose to get spied from Tapo or pay for it!! 😄

[unborn merlin]

no, you see this is what VLANs are for.

[midnight adder]

no internet, no worky worky

[unborn merlin]

you put the chinese camera on a VLAN... and it gets to see nothing except to be talked to by your server.

[ocean oar]

Shit, I do that with non-Chinese cameras at work

(most of ours are Axis, which seems to just be an expensive option but not providing output of significantly higher quality)

[midnight adder]

yeah aight let's go all in ^^

let's start with coding a cloud so we can offer subscriptions (9,99€/month)

[tidal bronze]

@forest edge your fav

[loud pike]

In my neverending quest to find all sorts of random crap in thrift stores to build up the smart home...... found a roomba at a goodwill for ten bucks. New battery and charging dock are already on the way.

I wonder how well the integration for it will work with HA...

[unborn merlin]

probably depends on how old it is.

if its reached the mfr's "Fuck you pay us for a new one" date.

[loud pike]

...or how quickly my cat will decide it needs to be bugged constantly. XD

It's a 600 series. I checked continuity on the motors, they're all fine, nothing else looks toasted, I'm swapping the battery out because it's flat, and getting a new dock because it didn't come with one.

Apparently it doesn't map, I guess? Or maybe it does? No one can agree. But eh, I don't much care if it does or not, long as it tidies up a little. XD

(it's a 694)

lol they had a chinese knockoff there too, one of the deewhatever ones... that has no bin. XD

Not that it was missing, but that it just.... doesn't have one. It doesn't vacuum at all. I'm still trying to figure out why it exists. XD

But yeah, if the roomba can pick up a little cat hair from time to time? Good enough for me. XD

[unborn merlin]

I'm a little surprised there isn't a 3d printed DIY smart vacuum project that I can find.

[loud pike]

I'm sure there's something out there, but there's a lot of data that would involve, between IR mapping, connectivity, scheduling(that part is simple at least), and running all the relays to run the suction and sweeper motors properly.

Also battery management, mapping to dock, etc.

[unborn merlin]

all of those parts are simple.

[loud pike]

They're all individually simple. Getting them all to behave on top of each other is where it gets interesting. Especially since you'll need gaskets too, so a straight print won't do the job.

[primal laurel]

there's one for mowing grass. Does that help?

[loud pike]

hehe.

[unborn merlin]

I'm aware of that, several even

[loud pike]

I love the mower roombas. Especially how people complain about them. XD

"But they don't cut tall grass!" They're not supposed to. They're maintenance bots, not full growth cutters.

[primal laurel]

it's one of those things that is simple to build, extremely difficult to get perfect

[unborn merlin]

you won't have full growth if you use them right*

[primal laurel]

Checkout openmower

[loud pike]

I foresee that with this roomba being a problem. I'm..... not great at keeping things off the floor. XD

[unborn merlin]

should've bought that new-new one that has a robot arm to pick up socks smh

[loud pike]

If I could get my hands on a workshop and all the money, I would make house androids. But like... NOt shitty like musk's scam. XD

(obligatory "TELL 'IM BOUT THE SEX ROBOT, KRIEGER!" reference here.)

[primal laurel]

I doubt AI is going to bring us robotic house slaves, sorry

[loud pike]

Long as it can get the laundry off the floor, maybe cook, MERCILESSLY DISPATCH THE SOLDIERS OF THE DYSTOPIAN FUTURE OVERSEERS, maybe scrub the countertops, I'm good...

You know. The little things.

[primal laurel]

lets start by doing the laundry first

[midnight adder]

also I need to cook first

good that it's 1:50 am 😄

[primal laurel]

kebab time

https://tenor.com/view/rude-star-trek-tng-murphs33-gif-22134965

[midnight adder]

but let's be honest... we badly need one then 😄

https://tenor.com/view/amy-vorpahl-barkys-brigade-dnd-rpg-ttrpg-gif-12506896

nice, maybe you can do a workshop one day 😄

"and this alarm notifies me to change underwear, the nfc in each pant is registered and it will be noticed when I don't change with a alarm that goes louder and louder"

yeah maybe not screaming but a soothing voice? 😄 breathing into your ear

NO! It's more fun without them!

oh you get pain when it's not adjusted?

sux... but didn't I read they have now a fix?

like to completely reverse diabetes

[loud pike]

mood tho. Adderal is still on shortage, so my ass just has to deal with it and supplement with coffee

[midnight adder]

why shortage?

can't you get something similar?

[loud pike]

Because America. XD

The DEA severely limits provisioning for adderal because they are dumb. So even as demand increases, provisioning doesn't.

[midnight adder]

it's just a stimulant, right?

[midnight adder]

is it true that the DEA has its own judges?

like all in one? executive and judicative in one

[loud pike]

Pretty much, but with a bit more complexity involved, both in the chemistry and how it interacts with the condition. And yeah, kinda.

[midnight adder]

so just take the next best?

[loud pike]

The Office of Chief Counsel for the DEA have a weirdly large amount of unchecked power.

[loud pike]

The next best is "Lots more coffee". Which is what I do. XD

[midnight adder]

ritalin?

[loud pike]

Regulated in the same way.

So same shortages.

[midnight adder]

methylphenidad then comes amphetamine

then meth

[midnight adder]

hmmm so maybe call DEA

[loud pike]

But yeah, the DEA gets to tell doctors that your condition isn't real if they think you might be potentially maybe possibly going to sell them. Even if you definitely won't.

lmao yeah, nah, we don't get to do that here. XD

[unborn merlin]

glad that shit is still shortaged.. yayyy..

😐

[midnight adder]

wth? so DEA now doctors

[unborn merlin]

I almost miss working in that shithole pharmacy that was CVS.

[loud pike]

hehe. Welcome to ameeeeeeerica. XD

[midnight adder]

nobody trusts doctors in the US I guess

[unborn merlin]

because I could just.. search the system to find a place that had some

[loud pike]

The DEA and the insurance companies both get to make medical decisions for you that your doctor can't. Even though neither of them are doctors.

[unborn merlin]

stimulant production quotas are assigned on like a yearly-or-something basis

and medications are produced in.. large batches

then rotated on the line to make something else

[loud pike]

Yarp.

[unborn merlin]

so when a shortage hits; its not really that its not being made enough so much as..

[midnight adder]

well, then make waitlists ... easy

[unborn merlin]

its not being made at all right now

[loud pike]

Or to put it another way, my country is a bureaucratic nightmare. XD

[midnight adder]

great

[unborn merlin]

narcotic scripts (which is where C2 like stimulants are..) are on expiration dates

In my state and many others.

30days from script date without fill? its now needing a new fill.

[midnight adder]

how about you rework your drug scheduling. Alcohol is most dangerous to start with

[unborn merlin]

because lobbying

[loud pike]

Yeah, I'd love it if we could just Do that. But no one in charge wants to because then they look "soft on crime" and "helping the druggies", so they all avoid it like a third rail because they care more about their career than helping people.

[unborn merlin]

and why all this stuff?

probably because america was perfectly fine doing the opiate crisis

[loud pike]

Also we tried banning alcohol at one point, it gave us the framework for crappy primetime reality shows and Nascar.

[unborn merlin]

which is probably one of the reasons controls are stricter now

[midnight adder]

I have to say tho that americans are kinda known to "all" have adderal addictions 😄

[unborn merlin]

because we spent the 90's dispensing opiates like they were fucking pez.

[midnight adder]

sooo ... maybe it's a thing that America has a prescription drug problem???

[loud pike]

This always makes me giggle.
Governments: "We can't give you adderal, it's addictive and you'll become dependent."
Meanwhile, people with ADHD: "lol forgot to take my meds again today."

(Adhd brains are weird that way)

[unborn merlin]

thankfulyl I get 3 month supplies of my adderall.. and don't take it every day (weekends or when I'm doing stuff I enjoy so I do have some amount of buffer.

[midnight adder]

I got ADHD

[loud pike]

Yeah, I feel like regulatory bodies don't realize quite how task forgetful we can be. And that we're really, REALLY bad at getting signals from our bodies that we need to do a thing, i.e. Eating, much less taking a pill on time. XD

Like, I regularly forget why I went through a doorway with laundry in my hand when what I was doing was taking my laundry to the laundry room. XD

[midnight adder]

but I know for a fact that methyphenidad is just melting your brain in the long run... also you always gotta be looking for preventing rebound etc. ... it can be tough at times. So I stopped that. It for sure helped but so is THC ^^

[unborn merlin]

... yes "for a fact"

[loud pike]

thc sadly doesn't do anything good for me. I've got a ton of nerve damage on top of everything else, so everything I get from THC is ALL the bad stuff.

[unborn merlin]

many different definitions of that, that I've noticed.

[loud pike]

Yeah, I was ignoring that part XD

[silent dove]

@warm helm I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

[unborn merlin]

ignoring that we have many many many requiremnents and safety checks on things we give to children and yet..

[midnight adder]

when all they need is a little attention 🫨

[loud pike]

(But yeah, the nature of the nerve damage is fun because it means a lot of autonomous stuff doesn't behave as it should. Like Balance, and Walking. Combine that with tremors and a bunch of other things and I'm not allowed thc or alcohol. yaaaaaaaaay immune conditions. XD

[unborn merlin]

Hint: we're less shitty at detecting these neurological issues now.

[loud pike]

THIS. XD

We used to take kids with those problems and just shove them in a 'special' class. And then they'd just drop out because they weren't getting anywhere.

It isn't that they need More attention, it's that they need Different attention. Seriously, how many folks do you know who were in the G&T classes as kids, and now they're burned out as all hell ADHD adults.

[unborn merlin]

proper workers that we can just abuse*!

[midnight adder]

G&T?

[unborn merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/linus-tech-tips-ltt-bug-gif-19900847

[midnight adder]

😄

[loud pike]

(for those outside of Amurka, G&T is Gifted and Talented, which is a nice way of saying "We know you're smart, but also we'll just pile expectations on you instead of working with you and your condition."

[midnight adder]

oh yeah I saw the Simpsons episode 😛

[loud pike]

Obligatory "Simpsons did it" joke here.

[midnight adder]

anyhow ... as a European I can only recommend all of you to move to our continent.

😄

free drugs

free healthcare

[loud pike]

But yeah, in my case, picked up material faster than anyone, pushed my math skills beyond everyone by several grades, but hated doing homework because of what I'd later find was a change in venue condition issue. Also literally never studied but always got top marks on tests. XD

[midnight adder]

lots of jobs

[loud pike]

Like..... I don't UNDERSTAND studying. I either know it or I don't.

[unborn merlin]

let's go with instead of european or american

"Maybe learned something from the nazis."

"Definitely didn't learn anything from the nazis."

[loud pike]

I mean, they were shitheads, but maybe that chocolate would help the adhd kids XD

[midnight adder]

😄 wdym? you're not gonna Blitzkrieg us now?

the drug supplies are limited and the rest is in a secret location

[loud pike]

(historical reference: The wehr developed a chocolate bar with meth in it for soldiers. XD )

[midnight adder]

Panzerschokolade

[loud pike]

Yaaaarp. THough to be fair, this was in the era of medicinal tonics that "cured everything" but were like..... heroin, cocaine, thc, and a LOT of alcohol.... XD

[midnight adder]

they worked ..?

[loud pike]

Which.... I mean, I guess, it's really hard to have a sore throat if you can't feel your entire body.

[midnight adder]

just a bit too addictive

but wick was a good alternative cocktail 😄

[loud pike]

I think the one that blew my mind was one that promised to help colic. In babies.

And I'm just like "...bruh." XD

"Plus side, your baby isn't crying as much. Downside, he is absolutely whacked out on smack."

[midnight adder]

well, ... got a crying baby? dunk some bread in beer and let the baby suck ^^ it was common back in the days 😄

[unborn merlin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCFmQd15SRo

This covers a lot of that topic yes

[loud pike]

Yeah, my ex's dad would give them whiskey shots at bedtime, which explained SO much. XD

[midnight adder]

is he making meth or not

[unborn merlin]

There was like an asthma cigarette in one of those series actually.. And then a "cough solution" that involved chloroform

and his response to the latter was

[midnight adder]

no need for uranium chalk

[unborn merlin]

"Well if you're not breathing you're not coughing."

[midnight adder]

actually that sounds super toxic 😄

[loud pike]

Yeah, pre-war stem toys were..... interesting.

There was a chemistry set for kids that had all manner of radioactive materials in it. XD

Sometimes I wonder how we survived as a species. XD

[midnight adder]

a friend of mine got an old set like this

but some stuff you had to get from the drugstore

I guess so the sets don't explode in masses in the shops 😄

[ocean oar]

I've got a small collection of steam-powered toys from the early 1900s.
Literally fill it with water, light the burner, and go

[midnight adder]

Boomer has entered the chat 😄 with his steam collection

[loud pike]

They still sell those. You can get little stirling engines on Amazon that are kinda fun as a desk toy.

[midnight adder]

"watch out kids, this was back in MY days"

[unborn merlin]

I can taste the lead poisoning from here.

[primal laurel]

did you know coal power plants emit more radioactive material than nuclear power plants?

[midnight adder]

^^ nah

maybe that connected to esphome or something actually doing something useful...

[loud pike]

Some of them are kinda pretty tho. XD

[midnight adder]

can it be converted to a fan in the summer?

[loud pike]

(That one is also a USB charger. Turns the power into electrical)

[midnight adder]

no way 😄

[ocean oar]

Photo is from ebay, not my one.
This one is later (1960s), but definitely seems they were toys for children, in the normal sense.
Just with fire, and shit

[midnight adder]

destroy your iPhone 16 battery in one easy step 😄

[loud pike]

I imagine the wattage is.... disappointing. But hey, it's a fun little trinket. So in theory, you COULD turn it into a fan power source XD

lol I doubt it would destroy it, but it would be a really slow trickle charge most likely XD

[midnight adder]

I had a cooler one

also with gearbox

oh but mine was not steam powered... that is some smoker there 😄

[ocean oar]

This one claims it can generate 3W: https://www.bioliteenergy.com/products/campstove-2-plus

Also cooks your dinner at the same time

[warm arrow]

Are there any custom-trained Ollama models for HomeAssistant? Or do people just use the largest llama-3.x they can fit into their hardware?

[midnight adder]

oh I read 3kW 😄

hm. not really much tbh 😄

[loud pike]

Those tiny mechanism models like that are neat though. I really want one of those engine models that used to be all over facebook videos.

"Build yourself a V8 the size of a soda can with about 500 tiny screws", that kinda thing.

(then again, I am the nerd who enjoys minecraft create mod just so I can build a bunch of crap and watch it run. XD )

Speaking of...

Is there a way to integrate HA into a server monitor for existing services on winserver?

i.e. a minecraft server, stash server, etc, just so you have a line in your headsup with the server status, and a quick-restart button that closes it and restarts the executable

though that does make me also wish we had stash integration for HA. It's like plex but for adult things. Wonder if it would be a pain or not to make that happen.

[unborn merlin]

eww.. windows server?

[loud pike]

It runs smooth and does what I tell it to, and it's a lot less temperamental than a lot of linux options I've tried.

[unborn merlin]

listen we're not all that republican speaker of the house who has his son spying on how much porn he watches.

[loud pike]

Tried rockstor, it hilariously did not work right and kept not realizing it existed, tried truenas, that one kept rolling itself back on updates without asking and STILL failed to actually believe it existed... XD

winserver just runs. And that's all I ask of it. XD

[primal laurel]

pics or it didnt happen

[midnight adder]

that's a screenshot photoshopped to a black background

[ocean oar]

Wait wait wait, the Pi goes inside? Neat

[midnight adder]

tbh I am not sure if I cut my drywall for this screen 😄

but I'm also spoiled by good displays

[ocean oar]

I'm curious to see people's reviews on Shelly's new one once it's shipping
https://www.theverge.com/2025/1/6/24334151/shelly-wall-display-x2-ces-2025

[midnight adder]

if you can cut drywall you can hide cables

it's easy

also when wireless power 🙂

I saw some projects making use of this for tiny LEDs already

no idea... do iPads have a magnet on their back with Qii?

that'd solve it kinda

or ...any other Android tablet I guess

just needs chrome in fullscreen mode for HA or the app

[unborn merlin]

the issue there is..

Shelly didn’t announce pricing or a release date but said that the Shelly Wall Display X2 should be available internationally in Q1, with US availability to follow.

Its made not for US's wall boxes.

not to start.. And we'll see if they port it over.

[midnight adder]

what a bad photoshop

look closely how it's mounted

I was wondering because this doesn't look like 7"

[unborn merlin]

are you.. not aware how thin things can be?

[midnight adder]

now I see it's competely fucked up

[unborn merlin]

and how they tend to work on their other mount-to-wall like things..

most of the "Do stuff" is mounted protruding into the box

[midnight adder]

it's flying in the air!

[primal laurel]

hahaha, that's messed up

[midnight adder]

use what you have ofc

[primal laurel]

shelly found the 4th dimension

[ocean oar]

Well I'm not in the US, but I'm still dead-set against pre-ordering anything, in any case.

[midnight adder]

https://www.reddit.com/r/homeassistant/comments/1hxam1k/shelly_walldisplay_x2_7_announced/?tl=de

here is a better picture

here is the better link even: https://www.shelly.com/de/blogs/media-kit/shelly-group-premieres-shelly-dimmer-gen3-and-shelly-wall-display-x2

[ocean oar]

If you look at the original one, the back will probably be similar.
But yeah, EU wall box

[primal laurel]

if you load 4 of them in one dashboard there's no point having it in 4k, can't you do something about that?

[midnight adder]

hm. I'm not sure I'd invest into that shelly display... where the hell should it get the currently playing song from. Who plays MP3 nowadays (through a wall panel even)

I can already see it having tons of flaws 😄

because it's not open enough

[unborn merlin]

Outputs
1 relay output

also a single output on something that large is a bit of a joke

[ocean oar]

I guess they're thinking that you're losing a light switch installing it, so they're just offering a replacement

[primal laurel]

can't it run home assistant?

instead of just displaying stuff

[unborn merlin]

I think it can, the other one could

[primal laurel]

probably runs android

[midnight adder]

which other one?

[unborn merlin]

https://kb.shelly.cloud/knowledge-base/shelly-wall-display

[primal laurel]

understand, but you're not going to be able to view the higher quality anyway. Unless you click on one stream

[unborn merlin]

judging by where they are on the site too, yeah they are full android

or such

[primal laurel]

im thinking about it

shelly has been quite open with stuff

[midnight adder]

yup they have a good reputation all in all

I think just their dimmer has been burning down many houses 😄

[primal laurel]

you mean like the mystery bridges that collapsed?

[midnight adder]

wdym mystery bridge 😄

[primal laurel]

it was the aliens

[midnight adder]

it was a plane

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-food-grabbing-tree-trunk-gif-5098653

[midnight adder]

that's the mystery bridge btw 😄

[primal laurel]

we have about 75.000 bridges

gotta test m all

[midnight adder]

we have 4000 that are built like this

those are the mystery bridges 😄

[forest edge]

nothing wrong with mushrooms 👍

[midnight adder]

Android8.1 said somebody on reddit

speculated price 250€ or 300€

not sure ... you can get great iPads or other tablets for that price

also this is kinda some unsolved problem... nobody's gonna use this anyways 😄 it looks cool for 5 min and then it's useless

[tidal bronze]

With a side of garlic butter claws 😀

[forest edge]

mushrooms with crab.... eh...

[neat shell]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DHFSDV46?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title&th=1 I picked up 8 of these to replace some yeelight (XIaomi home server registration required Dx ) so I could locally control them. These suckers are extremely bright. I am really impressed.

[tidal bronze]

What else?

[peak cloud]

@forest edge My Jeep misses you making fun of it.

[unborn merlin]

its a jeep does it really need someone actively making fun of it?

I had two jeeps.

just for context

😛

[peak cloud]

Yes, it does. It requires a lot of attention, be it good or bad 😂

[unborn merlin]

ah yes old jeep computer starts having issues

where did they put the ECU?

Up above the wheel well of course!

With nothing between it and the wheel!

GENIUS DESIGN!

[peak cloud]

Oh jeeze, I didn't realize that's where it was located.

[unborn merlin]

at least in one I had

super fun getting to play the

"lol you made a left at the light and your engine turned off, have fun with manual steering."

[peak cloud]

Looks like mine (2016) is behind the wiper fluid tank on the driver side, plenty shielded from road water.

[last cedar]

This is part of the jeep experience though, right? 😉

[unborn merlin]

had tires come off twice.

once was because BJ's overtightened lugnuts

the other time?

Fuck knows.

both times while driving of course

super fun.

🙃

[peak cloud]

I once had my hub studs snap resulting in the brake rotor riding the inside of the wheel until I came a stop. That was a terrible day...

[unborn merlin]

yeah after that I bought a torque wrench

I do my own checking of things these days

[clear ferry]

Jeepers creepers

[clear ferry]

What in tarnation, I have never had a wheel come off in 22 years of driving, with 20-40k km per year last summer alone was 25000 over 3 months with 4 different cars

[unborn merlin]

old shitty cars.. overtightening lugnuts.. etc

[clear ferry]

Then again, I've had one flat tire in 22 years

I've always changed my own tires, until two years ago I put my tires into off-site storage

Relevant fact is also Norwegian have two sets of tires per car, and we drive each of them 5-7 months per year

And I usually replace them every 5 years

Was fun to move from 16-21" tires btw, 16" was $500 for 4 tires plus rims, 21" was $1800 for 4 tires, no rims

[peak cloud]

Interesting. I never even considered having two sets of tires for different seasons.

[clear ferry]

We have proper winter

Not your Texas nonsense dale

[peak cloud]

In Texas our "winter" lasts a few weeks, spread out across a couple of months.

[iron granite]

I'd say "shots fired", but that might be another Texas pun

[clear ferry]

We have snow like this from September to may

[peak cloud]

Holy CRAP batman

[stuck anchor]

winter tires used in summer would wear out in no time. and summer tires on winter roads - not for long (involuntary offroading)

[clear ferry]

I love winter, proper 4wd go brrrrrrrr

Old quattro's are great

Modern cars are fine if you turn off all safety mechanisms

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/drift-360-car-gif-5245192

[stuck anchor]

i used to have a range rover. that was a nice car in the winter. and the summer.

[clear ferry]

Not sure about the range Rover, but the land Rover has lots of issues in Norway

Due to the gearbox design which is partially open

And it accumulates sloppy snow and freezes

They might have fixed it in the post 2010 models

[stuck anchor]

i know a few land rover owners and have never heard of that problem. had a land rover defender for years. of course the ones i know about are not fancy new ones like the newer discovery models and such

[clear ferry]

Yeah these were the older ones

But do you live in arctic climate?

Oh right you are Norwegian too

Doesn't happen on the west coast I'd assume

[stuck anchor]

west coast, so not as arctic as other places in the country

[clear ferry]

Yeah, exactly

Only rain, two days of snow per year

Kinda like texas

I still haven't seen snow on the west coast ever, and I commute to Stavanger, Bergen and Ålesund quite a bit

Oh wait, one time, when I went to Kvam herad

But that is Inland

[stuck anchor]

we get several snow cycles each winter. a snow cycle consists of a few days of snow. just enough to get the plows out, get heaps of snow everywhere. then light rain for 2 days to get that snow soaked. and then freezing cold for a week. long lines of elderly people with broken hips at the er, etc.

[clear ferry]

Btw, this is the brightest it gets in winter here @peak cloud

[peak cloud]

SHOTS FIRED!!!!

[clear ferry]

There is no sun above the Horizon for over a month

[peak cloud]

That's crazy. Does the lack of sunlight ever cause widespread depression?

[clear ferry]

Yes

And suicides

So bridges are usually specially made

[peak cloud]

That sucks, I'm sorry to hear that 😦

[clear ferry]

I get more suicidal about having 24h of sunlight in summer

[peak cloud]

If you're joking, that's not something to joke about.

[clear ferry]

I'm not

I can hardly sleep

Sun never goes lower than this

[peak cloud]

Damn man, please feel free to reach out anytime you need someone to talk to. I don't care what time of day it is. I can PM you my phone number and you can text/call me.

[clear ferry]

Usually I have to put thick blankets on all my windows

It will be my first summer up here in 17 years since I moved south, so maybe it has improved

We'll see

[stuck anchor]

you are further north than me then. here we just get extremely short days in winter and short nights in summer. at mid-summer it doesn't get dark even if the sun is below the horizon.

[clear ferry]

Yes, Harstad

Born in Tromsø

Proper Arctic

[stuck anchor]

i've been to tromsø a few times. loong ago

[keen bridge]

Is there an automation to snooze seagulls?

[clear ferry]

That's another thing with midnight sun

Seagulls don't go to sleep either

https://tenor.com/view/screaming-bird-alarm-clock-wake-up-gif-11858070275565777857

They are up all night

My town is even well known to have agressive seagulls

We call them the rats of the Arctic

[keen bridge]

My friend's parents don't have HA installed, but I reckon if I can snooze the gulls I can convince them to install it.

[peak cloud]

Soo glad I don't live by the coastline

[clear ferry]

Our offices in Houston gets flooded each year

[solar zealot]

Have they tried not putting them in Houston

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/that70s-show-eric-foreman-light-bulb-idea-gif-4680281

[keen bridge]

Sadly the UK doesn't have the concept of "far enough from the coast to get away from the gulls"

[peak cloud]

That sounds about right. I'm also happy that I don't live in South Texas.

[clear ferry]

I should get a trip to our main offices in texas soon, unless the us goes full handmaid's tale

[solar zealot]

or they flood again:D

[peak cloud]

Living in Texas and not having traveled much makes it difficult for me to understand the size/distance for other countries. Is every part of the UK just so close to the coastline or what?

[solar zealot]

Surprised they even know water

[peak cloud]

If you do, let me know! I would love to meet up! I am only 5-6 hours away from Houston!

[clear ferry]

We should start a GoFundMe for dale

So he gets to see the world

[keen bridge]

The furthest point from the sea is about 70 miles in the UK

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/aladdin-disney-cartoons-jasmine-ic-an-show-you-the-world-gif-4545341

[keen bridge]

We're a small weirdly shaped island

[solar zealot]

Unfortunately there is France in close proximity as well, so not just seagulls are of an issue

[clear ferry]

What about us, we look like a guitar, but if we weren't there Sweden would look like a ball sack @keen bridge

[keen bridge]

*with several sub-islands we may or may not acknowledge/include

[red rock]

Oireland

[keen bridge]

That one's special and involves more recent wars/conflict

[clear ferry]

No wait Finland is the ball sack

[red rock]

LOL

[clear ferry]

For relevance

[keen bridge]

Maybe y'all need a checkup up/down there

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/travis-fran-healy-prostate-prostate-exam-passed-my-physical-gif-27550741

[peak cloud]

Holy bonkers, that's insane!!

[keen bridge]

This ain't Texas

[clear ferry]

Thinnest point of Norway is just 6km

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/how-did-i-miss-that-taskmaster-facepalm-omg-so-obvious-gif-2243995384027237516

[solar zealot]

That would barely fit an American between aisle 3 and 4

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/a-lot-of-fat-candice-hutchings-edgy-veg-high-fat-content-fatty-gif-24967758

[red rock]

This season was one of the best

[clear ferry]

I love taskmaster

[red rock]

With Rhon just coming with new stuff from Greg

[peak cloud]

OMFG my wife and I love Taskmaster! We're nearing the end of the 17th season and not looking forward to it being over 😢

[red rock]

THEY REACHED THE END????

Fuck

I didn't get that message

[peak cloud]

I hope not, I just meant the end of what we have available to watch.

[red rock]

Oh

Thank god

[ocean oar]

Do you watch the various international versions?
I've started on assorted worldwide versions, some of the subtitles are better than others.

[red rock]

Season 18 is already available though

[peak cloud]

We haven't yet, but I plan to delve into those as soon as we finish S18.

[red rock]

I want to see someone like Jimmy Carr in there tbh

[peak cloud]

Jimmy Fallon would be a better fit I think

[ocean oar]

I've been relatively surprised how generally beloved NZ's version seems to be.
I think perhaps just that most of our contestants seem to be a bit unhinged.
Not quite in the same manner as the Norwegians, who just seem to prefer power tools and fire to solve tasks though.

[red rock]

Oh that would be cool indeed

Power tools and fire sounds amazing

[keen bridge]

I don't think he'd handle our endless mockery well enough

[red rock]

But that would make it better

Just like how guz khan was a beast

Or that other guy

[peak cloud]

Guz Khan was hilarious

[clear ferry]

You should watch 8 out of ten cats does countdown

[forest edge]

it's still running and not wedged at the bottom between two huge boulders?

[solar zealot]

-# the size of a small boulder

[peak cloud]

Barely running -- I've got a rear main seal leak that's dropping oil like crazy. So worried that it might sieze up at any moment.

[forest edge]

good thing it's a jeep. should be fairly easy to fix diy lol

[peak cloud]

😂 Yeah, that's exactly what I thought when I bought it.

[clear ferry]

Our new supercomputer went into production this week in Stuttgart I see @glacial knot

[peak cloud]

proceeds to put JB weld on the area of the leak.

[solar zealot]

will we see about this on known yt channels in the future

[forest edge]

breaking out the good stuff? duct tape seems to be the norm

[stuck anchor]

duct tape, superglue and sugru should be in the toolbox. hammer and crowbar for the stuff that should be moving but doesn't.

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/pirate-ship-arr-leek-in-the-boat-leek-cloudy-with-a-chance-of-meatballs-gif-12107967

[peak cloud]

I guess I should start keeping some duct tape in my Jeep for the norm issues.

[stuck anchor]

and in case you run out of fuses on the road...

a neighbor found that the 2000 amp one really blows fast when you use it directly across the terminals on a 24V truck battery. he woke up a few meters away completely confused.

[stuck anchor]

the norm issues for you sound like it would be taping your wheels on?

[forest edge]

i've actually seen screwdrivers jammed into between the fuse terminals on a building before

[formal sluice]

Hi everyone,
how do you all make automations resistant to home assistant crashes or outages?
I've been thinking a lot about that because I had that happen recently and a bunch of automations broke.

What I mean by that is when you have an automation - lets take an easy one and say lights go on when presence is detected - and HA has an outage and then devices start reporting again to HA then you might run into an issue where the sensor reports first and says presence detected and then the light reports later but the automation already ran but the light did not receive the command to turn on because it was not yet connected to HA. In that scenario the light will only turn back on once the presence is cleared at least once (aka you leave the room).

I've thought about building some kind of state machine logic that just triggers every X seconds in HA or with appdaemon but that feels like a lot of work and maybe I run into other issues when I do that because its not the HA way. idk I just feel like the automation kinda lack the sophistication to handle these things (I programmed PLCs for a while).

Whats your take on this and how you you all mitigate these problems?

[solar zealot]

If homeassistant isnt working properly there isnt anything you could do from homeassistant to trigger things

[dawn badge]

you probably want to move to making a thread in #1284980040940912641 but serious question... how often do you get outages? do you have unstable power or something?

[solar zealot]

At best you would manage to setup a fallback logic in case homeassistant doesnt communicate with your device, but that is a very device specific task

[dawn badge]

i guess you could write a script that runs a series of status checks and sets things right then run that on startup

[primal laurel]

I'm pretty sure HA waits for integrations to be ready before it lets automations fire

[red rock]

I don't think so

[primal laurel]

I've never had any issues with restarting in that sense. Of course you're going to miss some stuff while rebooting

[red rock]

as in, I think automations is somewhere down in the chain

but its not that every integration completely finished set up when automations are set up

[glacial knot]

Neat. I might go there for a concert this year

At a university?

[primal laurel]

Then what happens to the automation calling a service of an integration which is not ready? It just fails?

[red rock]

yes

as in

we are now doing the movement to create services during setup

as in, don't have them rely on a working config entry

What you gain is consistent services, all services are always available

downside is that all service are alwas available, also the ones that might not work with your model

[formal sluice]

yeah but there a some timing issues with external zigbee2mqtt serveres

[red rock]

And you still need a working integration for a service to work, but if for example your HA can't connect to your inverter during startup, it will still create the services

[red rock]

keep in mind that zigbee2mqtt is mqtt, and thus async

[formal sluice]

I just wanted to start a discussion about it and see what others do I dont really need help with anything :)

[formal sluice]

yes what I mean is that depending on the situation it might not get picked up or report the wrong status back (lights show as on but are off)

[formal sluice]

its not about the frequency and not really a problem for people that know what they are doing.

[red rock]

Does zigbee2mqtt show the updated state? Maybe you have some retain setting on which causes MQTT integration to show the old state until a new one comes in

rather than unknown/unavailable

[formal sluice]

I mean this happens at most a few times a year but it got me thinking about the reliability. Lets say a friend wants a smarthome - I would not set up HA for that person if the person can just about manage to turn on his PS5 and nothing more. I just think HA "breaks" way to often for that and a big reason why are the way automations are implemented imo. I think automations are somewhat easy to understand and implement but there is a reason state machines are used for industrial automations.

[red rock]

I guess this also is defined by how your integrations are set up and what devices you use

[formal sluice]

I frequently run into the problem where I go into a room at the exact time the lights turn off (the 1 second fade out time) and then the motion sensor triggers the lights dont go back on but report as on in HA - but thats a different issue and prob has something to do with my setup - not the thing I wanted to get into :)

[red rock]

Like for example do you know the sleep analyser from Withings?

That works via webhooks. But if you restart HA, you lose the state, as we can't do a request to know if you are in bed or not

So I get a lot of people asking me if we can restore that state on boot

[formal sluice]

I noticed that automations work really for devices that constantly update they status but that is just because it constantly triggers automations

[red rock]

But I don't like that, as for example you could have a power outage at night, and continues through 10AM, when you're at work

and then when power comes back, everything goes into "you're sleeping" mode

so I rather have people build their automations calculating in that their mat can be unknown after a restart

[dawn badge]

my setup and power is stable enough that i dont ever really think about this kind of thing and if it happens ill deal with it at the time

although i did have some issues with long running automations that if i did restart for an update or something it broke them so i moved them to state machines

[formal sluice]

@red rock yes but then you would just have a state machine - which is rather annoying to implement in HA. And also you dont have "real time guarantees" in HA but that is not really necessary in most scenarios.

[red rock]

But HA is one massive state machine 🙂

[formal sluice]

btw just to clarify here - I would like to recommmend HA that is why I am talking about it :)

[primal laurel]

The key is to not have long running automations 😅

[dawn badge]

i use input select helper to make state machines

[dawn badge]

yeah thats why i got rid of them all

[dawn badge]

realistically i wouldnt set HA up for someone that is not technically initiated in such a way that they can learn and deal with stuff

[formal sluice]

thats an idea - I just wish there was a native way to create state machines through the gui - just a dropdown - classic automation/state machine automation - something to think about I guess

[red rock]

At this point I believe that someone must want to do something with home automation and be willing to learn it

[formal sluice]

but wouldnt it be great if you could just set it up and forget about it

[red rock]

Got a friend who already a few devices and running in Google Home a green

and I was really hyped, and now I still feel I have to prove the value of HA to him

[primal laurel]

What non technical person knows what a state machine is? Or how to program one?

[dawn badge]

well i use a standard automation to change the input select between states based on various paramaters. but its not super simple i grant you

[primal laurel]

thats not a state machine

[formal sluice]

No what I mean is: The technical person implements it and then the non technical person uses it without the need for the techy to constantly fix things - in an ideal world I would like to be able to create a smarthome for my mother and update it once or twice a year and not think about it - but that is not to point we are at right now

And I think the deep integration of state machines into how HA works would help