the-water-cooler

[primal laurel]

agreed. But the borders are not well defined

its easier to talk about applications rather than entire fields

[clear ferry]

Well generative AI is a subset of ML to be fair

[deft pewter]

If we're going to be absolutely honest, there's no intelligence in anything we've seen so far. The tools possess no ability to reason. Just like the AI bubble in the 80's, we're just talking about some hyped up algorithms.

It's being sold to the masses as intelligence because they know no better.

[clear ferry]

Yes, AI is a great way to market your products existing algorithms as "new"

Best regards, someone who works with this bullshit

I see great usage for ML to ease coalition of logs and root cause

We've been doing that for many years already on Internet facing storage systems

[deft pewter]

It's almost as if regression and classification is the best use of "AI". And none of that requires opening new nuclear power plants to keep up with the ridiculous energy demands.

[clear ferry]

To be fair most of the people who are afraid of losing their jobs to AI should already have been replaced or moved on

Which is also an interesting discussion with the plebs

[glacial knot]

yea, sometimes the claim to intelligence is really an indicator of some people, not the AI

[clear ferry]

Looking at how the hidden layers work in the neural network can make you think there is intelligence behind it

However it is either an hallucination or your algorithm is just good for the data

Reminds me, I should probably do some Nvidia certs soon

[primal laurel]

current architectures are not going to get us to general intelligence

for that I am betting on Karl Friston's work

but that's still more theoretical at the moment

[clear ferry]

General intelligence is probably 10 years out

Or more

I'd be on the plus side

[deft pewter]

AGI will arrive around the same time as cold fusion.

[glacial knot]

probably about a year earlier, since it needs to research it

[clear ferry]

Probably fourty years later since it needs to be approved by the EU

[primal laurel]

In the grand scheme of things it doesn't really matter whether we have AGI or not

[forest edge]

the gemini in google search is kind of neat

[solar zealot]

How else would we power it ^^ ;D

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-space-dead-space2-nicole-brennan-isaac-clarke-gif-27571106

[clear timber]

Man screw DHL, I need to rant. Ordered the Voice PE on launch night and even picked the expensive fast tracked delivery. Its now been in the one location since the 21st and zero updates, pihut said there are delivery delays. I understandd its christmas but 12 days with such little updates drives me mad

[forest edge]

well keep this in mind for next year

cause it won't improve

[lucid atlas]

DHL is a mess, mainly because there are several companies under the same brand (DHL Express, DHL Freight, DHL Parcel etc). Your parcel is often handed between these companies without your knowledge, especially when the order is not domestic. And these sub-companies almost don't talk to each other at all, they are completely separated and there is a lot of competition/hard feelings between them.

[clear timber]

its a joke to charge express and then just not update

was really excited for the Voice PE but alas still dont have it

[static schooner]

you'd think they'd be good with their flying trucks

[lucid atlas]

It's often not the flight (actual dhl express) that is the bottle neck but rather sorting terminals and trucks driving to and from them.

[clear timber]

brexit has made it twice as shitty here too

[iron granite]

I had a DHL package, for which they lost the sender's and recipient's details in the online tracking.
It required me to provide a postal code to see other details or re-schedule the delivery - and that wasn't accepted, because mine didn't match with whatever was in their database.

The package arrived and the routing itself was not effected.

[solar zealot]

The shipment volume is incredibly elevated during these vacations (as usually). They can't make your stuff faster than any other similarly prioritized item

There are no special routes or additional infrastructure for such shipments

[lucid atlas]

I raise you - I have a lot of contact with them through work (ecommerce). Once they had in some way mixed up our warehouse information with my personal information.

So one day I got a notification that I had a parcel to pick up from the logistics centre in town. But I had 50+ notifications. Probably some bug, right? The next day I had 200 notifications. And the next day...

Turns out all return parcels had been adressed to me personally instead of our warehouse. And the local post office could not change it without my showing my id. So I had to pick them all up myself and drive them to our warehouse.

Apparently they got all this from me signing up for a dev account at their site, and somehow my information from there ended up on all our return parcels from Germany...

[clear timber]

I get that its delayed and may be due to increased volumes but there is no communication, just an update 10 days ago that says processing. its a shit service when you pay for pakit plus and get nothing.

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/skeptical-futurama-fry-hmmm-i-got-my-eyes-on-you-gif-5707122515404938820

[solar zealot]

Complain to their customer support but there isn't a lot that can be done

This can always happen considering logistics at scale are pretty much parcel magic

[iron granite]

Logistics can be fun

[clear timber]

I did and they sent me to the pihut which makes no sense as they are the ones with the parcel but in my opinion if they cant provide the paid for service there should be a refund for said service.

[forest edge]

just don't order shit a month before a major holiday

[solar zealot]

That's not how the service that has been paid for works

You can be assured that such cases are no real refund on their policies that have been agreed by picking them as shipment partner

[crisp oriole]

Why are hey look at my PE i got it in the mail posts on reddits get like 100 upvotes and a post about my LLM experience gets downvotes....

On reddit

[solar zealot]

Because llms aren't as fun

[lucid atlas]

The customer company can issue a claim towards the shipper if the agreed terms has not been fulfilled. Not uncommon that this happens

(and then return money to the end customer)

[solar zealot]

You can't even get a refund for the package returning to the sender if they consider the address not to be found

[lone dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/grandpa-abe-exit-confused-bye-bart-gif-7694184

[solar zealot]

They may deliver multiple times a week but from time to time locations just disappear in singularities once delivery trucks show up

[lucid atlas]

There can also be fuckups from the company you bought from, most common is probably that they dont manage to print your adress in a proper way (often due to DHLs stupid api limitations 🙂 ). This is often solved for a fee from DHL to the company, but with longer lead times. Or they just have to return it.

But you probably ordered at the most inconvient time. Give it some days and it will surely arrive.

[lucid atlas]

Hey hey hey logistics is the meaning of life

Share the fun

[solar zealot]

The only item I ordered on priority was a Samsung watch

Two days later I decided another phone would also be nice from them. Both items arrived at the same time by the same truck

[iron granite]

Please stop crossposting (again)!

[lucid atlas]

DHL: Is a shipping company
Also DHL: Doesn't allow more than 35 characters for adresses in their api

[timber dock]

ok

[clear timber]

wasnt much options though, order at the time of the voice PE would sell out. I didnt expect it before christmas but thought I might at least get it before I go back to work next week

[timber dock]

do you guys recommend home assistant cloud?

[lone dagger]

This is more true than I want it to be. 😩

[solar zealot]

No. You should use the 31 day trial to find out yourself if you enjoy it or not

[forest edge]

hmm cloud hosting home assistant...

[lucid atlas]

Everything from ordering the Voice PE to "wtf should we have for dinner" is logistics 😄

[solar zealot]

Now we just need to wait for good piper models to appear

[lucid atlas]

I should create an automation that suggests wtf we should have for dinner...

[solar zealot]

pizza

[clear timber]

I think you should try it before you but it, at the moment I dont use it but pay for it to support the project, but I have friends that do use it as the main way to connect to HA.

[lucid atlas]

https://vadfanskajaglagatillmiddag.nu/

This is my favourite site

[solar zealot]

Delete this my laptop started hovering

It's cursed now

[timber dock]

can i cancel it during the trial without paying and keeping it for my 31 days?

[solar zealot]

You don't need to add any payment to start the trial besides signing up

[timber dock]

oh cool

[solar zealot]

It's the most non sketchy trial there is

[lucid atlas]

wtf are all these entities from glances?

There is a million of them

[timber dock]

can i install home assistant with the cloud?

[clear timber]

yes but thats not what ha cloud is

[timber dock]

how

i mean with ha cloud

[clear timber]

there are other tutorials out there for that, some guides even on youtube but I think you miss a vital part of the experience by doing so

[timber dock]

how

[lucid atlas]

Post in #1284966540617449515 , where you will be told to not do that.

[runic cape]

I am sure there is nothing important wrong with Tado, but they just sent me an energy savings report that seems like complete nonsense, and to me it hurts the credibility of the brand

Somehow they were able to determine that I saved 42.3% of energy (weirdly precise) this month, presumably comparing itself against some unreasonably bad, hypothetical alternative

It has NO way of knowing how I used my heating before I got it

But even if it just had to guess, whatever guess allowed it to come up with "42.3%" seems totally unreasonable

[runic cape]

last month*

Tado also does a thing called weather adaptation, which I don't fully understand. Seems like a solution in search of a problem. Thermostats are not complicated. Cold? turn up heat. Hot? Turn down heat

Is it somehow anticipating it will get hot due to the weather and like... shutting the heat off ahead of time?

in the winter?

[primal laurel]

I did extensive work on this. Do you want the long or the short answer lol

[runic cape]

Let's start with short xD

On Tado specifically?

[primal laurel]

buildings store heat naturally. By monitoring the weather you can anticipate interior temperature drops before they occur

it takes a while for the cold weather to 'propagate' inside

[runic cape]

But what is the value in anticipating it? Is it just... having the delay in the heating system itself overlap the delay in the house's thermal mass changing temperature?

[solar zealot]

Potentially more gradual temp changes as opposed to having the mass cool down and heat up repeatedly

[runic cape]

also it specifically claims that it has 7 hours of this weather adaptation, specifying "temperature adjusted due to sunshine"

[primal laurel]

kind of yeah. For boilers this is just to improve comfort. But for heatpumps you can also use it to improve efficiency, low and slow is more efficient than huge temperature swings in flow temp

there's various flavors of this stuff

the most simple one is to just have a temperature sensor outside, in addition to your own thermostat

[runic cape]

My heater itself, that Tado interfaces with, might have that

[primal laurel]

external controls are always going to be much more limited than whatever runs on the heater itself

[runic cape]

doesn't stop Tado from taking credit

[primal laurel]

doesn't all tado's stuff run 100% in the cloud?

[crisp oriole]

Yes now someone can have a conversation with my voicemail system.

[primal laurel]

anti-scam firewall?

[crisp oriole]

Prolly

Microsoft sales are not granted.

But when someone with a unknown number calls me at a unwanted time. I had call screening when you need to say one good sentence. Now its a conversation

Is in development. I have a guest. And she has a voip phone next to her bed.

[clear ferry]

You guys answer your phones?

[crisp oriole]

You guys are staring to moving ... when your trying to have a conversation

[primal laurel]

only for saved numbers

otherwise its a scam call 99% of the time

[crisp oriole]

I have to deal with govermental instances and they call anonymous

I pick up calls. And block the hell out of them

[clear ferry]

I do too, I just don't answer their calls

[rough fulcrum]

Does anyone know of a product like this but zigbee? Looking for one with a decora form factor, battery powered, and portable : https://minoston.com/collections/z-wave-switch-800

Just trying to find something good to control my shades with direct associations rather than automations through HA

[clear ferry]

Even my boss is smart enough to send me a message before calling me, asking if it is ok to call me

[deft pewter]

Someone in a support channel might know.

[deft pewter]

This is the way. Except I think I ignored my boss the other week - I got a message from a number I didn't recognise, so I thought it was spam.

[rough fulcrum]

wasn't sure where this request would fall with the new discord organization - thanks

[deft pewter]

No problem. If in doubt, start in #find-support

[runic cape]

Depends on what you mean by "all tado's stuff", surely I can still set the thermostat when my net is down

I don't super care about Tado's cloud, I'm just waiting for the coming update to the integration, then it's probably HA-only for me

That was the only reason I picked this thermostat

Just don't like when it tries to bs me

[deft pewter]

I love the Hive for full local control. I paired mine directly to my Zigbee network instead of bothering with their hub. No way for it to dial home.

[urban viper]

From our families to yours, happy new year! 🎊

We're grateful 🙏🏻 for each and every one of you who contributed to and supported us through 2024 - we've had too many milestones to name, it's been a busy year. 😌

Here's to 2025 - whatever it may bring! 🥂

[runic cape]

🤷

I just picked from what was available

cheap + matter

it's not normally cheap, just happened to have a sale I think

[deft pewter]

How much did you pay? I'll be looking to smartify another house shortly.

[last cedar]

Has anyone moved from ond machine to another, home assistant, esphome, mosquitto and zigbee2mqtt?

In my notes, I made a dummy config file for z2m, for my first box, but I guess that would now want to be the conf file from my current box, otherwise it will have the wrong key and no devices? Or do you just do that, then import the config backup? (I assume this is how to do home assistant best (import a backup))

Or is there a better channel to ask in?

Tyvm

[solar zealot]

i love how specific ubiquity issues are

as if they have a ton of if else code for how to handle devices

[tidal bronze]

You on docker?

[last cedar]

Yes! Debian 11 on old, debian 12 on the new box, but docker/ docker compose setup in the same way

Just the new box is sexier

[tidal bronze]

Ah... as long as you did your compose files with propoer config folder mapping, it should be click and go.

[last cedar]

Well, I am not sure if I did that or not

Are you just thinking I should "copy" off the old box and plonk them on the new one?

Not sure what the options are, I go in via ssh, I would imagine I could copy and paste them via external storage, setting up file storage might be a very long winded way

[deft pewter]

If you've ever had to destroy and recreate a container, and your data persisted, your folder mappings should be correct.

[last cedar]

I could type out the whole config file....

[tidal bronze]

You would still need to remap data volumes, unless you have identical logins etc

[last cedar]

I have just updated them to a later version

If I am honest, I don't really know exactly what I did, but it has been working for a while

[tidal bronze]

Try esphome, not going to break anything anyway

[last cedar]

I feel bad admitting that, but that is the situation haha

[tidal bronze]

we've all been there. In a hurry you fire a docker cli and months later you scratch your head lol

[last cedar]

I will have a look at the folder structure tommorow and compare to my compose file, I am sure I can probably get something working

Idea is to verify stuff is there and swap over the zzh stick and hope it all works basically

Oh, and update the home assistant IP address of course

[tidal bronze]

Direct usb?

[deft pewter]

Or just assign that IP to the other device using DHCP 😉

[last cedar]

But I think it should just work

[last cedar]

Yeah, straight into the box

[tidal bronze]

Oh boy

[last cedar]

I know the cool kids use poe ones

[deft pewter]

I'm not cool then

[last cedar]

But back in the day, we only had usb ones

[tidal bronze]

ser2net or socat even if it's a USB

[last cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/blinking-guy-blinks-eyes-blinking-meme-surprised-drew-scanlon-gif-21139379

[deft pewter]

If USB works, it works

Whatever happened to KISS?

[tidal bronze]

WIth your new setup try and do it with serial to ethernet. You can throw the docker anywhere and still have access to USB.

[last cedar]

I think at that point it might just be better to go the poe route anyway?

[tidal bronze]

Hmmm. not really. The key is to have moveability. Which you can do with any legacy device.

[last cedar]

Or were you meaning have z2m anywhere, not the coordinator

[tidal bronze]

Yep

The goal is to be able to spin up docker anywhere you want.

[last cedar]

Thst does make a lot of sense and I appreciate the info

I will have to read up a little on some stuff

Thank you @deft pewter too 🙂

[tidal bronze]

Once you get a hang of it you will not run USB any other way

[last cedar]

Only been running it in the 3rd position since it became mainstream

It never fits the first 2 times

[clear ferry]

I've moved my Docker setup across four machines and three different OS' tbf

[last cedar]

To be fair, these are your docker files

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/hug-me-im-sad-sad-girl-gif-10377043852404821088

[last cedar]

I installed them on a playbox that I broke about 4 or 5 times

[lone dagger]

My actionable notifications for chores are getting so complicated.

[deft pewter]

You're not supposed to eat the playbox.

[last cedar]

And worked out (at the time) whar it meant

[lone dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/charlie-day-gif-18564553

[tidal bronze]

LMAO

[clear ferry]

Reminds me, I should commit ny compose files to git sometime, haven't done an update in years

[last cedar]

Reminders to do stuff around the house?

[lone dagger]

Yes and more.

[last cedar]

I would like to use something like that at home || and use shock collars when tasks haven't been done in a timely fashion ||

[lone dagger]

I am currently about to attempt to use the to-do's due time to trigger more annoying notifications...

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-daddy-daddy-daddy-af-chew-gif-14733103

[last cedar]

@clear ferry I will maybe have to pick your brains then, but I guess you will just answer with gifs like normal? 😉

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/no-come-on-nah-jack-black-nacho-gif-24343903

[lone dagger]

I decided I have to map this shit out instead of it living in my head.

[last cedar]

Hahaha

[lone dagger]

Now to mind map this, my brain decided it's now time to rearrange my office wall behind me.

So, WE'RE ON AN ADVENTURE TODAY

The connection is because there are LEGO flowers meant for the wall on top of my iPad.

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-wave-point-dog-head-puzzles-gif-10799878

[last cedar]

I would like to chore log the dishwasher based on if it has run, cat litter box on a timer etc, one day. New docker box is step 1

Good luck with the rearrangement Missy!

I have to sleep now, ty for the help everyone

[lone dagger]

Lemme know when you get there, I think I have a lot of tips I can share based on the trouble I've made myself.

[last cedar]

First day of work after holiday

[ocean oar]

My problem with this is I get so hung up on making sure the diagram is laid out perfectly that it takes 4x as long to get anywhere 😐

[clear ferry]

I'm taking the next two days off

To sell my house

Then I'm done with that

[tulip prism]

I use the actionable notifications alot more now for chores since I put the skip button in

[lone dagger]

I have been doing mind mapping long enough now that I have very specific types I use with the color themes my brain likes.

Did the heavy lifting of my aesthetics for the maps years ago at this point.

[lone dagger]

They are so versatile!

My husband taps on notifications more than anything else so I have it opening up on the dashboard with chores to make it easier for him.

[tidal bronze]

Notifications for chores? Very confusing concept

[primal laurel]

"it's time to do your task"

https://tenor.com/view/no-i-dont-think-i-will-captain-america-old-capt-gif-17162888

[lone dagger]

"Cool, then you will get another notification in an hour. Oh, it's an important thing? You're getting a notification every 30 minutes until you mark it complete on the to-do list."

[rough fulcrum]

I'd think of it like a reminder for a todo

[tulip prism]

I love it 👌🏻

[tidal bronze]

It it's to do why a reminder?

[lone dagger]

Because some people need help remembering they put the thing on the list in the first place. 😄

[tidal bronze]

Ahhhh

[tulip prism]

In my chase its more reminder or no chore and it's better if I snarl at HA than my wife 😅 (kidding I would never snarl at HA)

Not empty the dishwasher more like change bed and vaccum, tend to elongate the period to long else 🙄

[tulip prism]

And also, where did I put the list

[deft pewter]

All of the above 'problems' can be solved by simply not adding chores to the list in the first place.

[lone dagger]

lol

Fair.

[deft pewter]

New problem: partner asking why you're not getting any chores done 😅

[lone dagger]

It's actually the other way around lmao.

This is so that my husband actually does shit in the house, and to help my sister stay on top of her own stuff.

I am the most organized one in the house (and often in the room lol). They need my help.

[blissful zodiac]

Is your PFP a chromecast audio?

I wanted to get some for my house, but I think Sonos is my best bet for audio through HA.

[tidal bronze]

Yep. My life is better with CCA

[iron granite]

I still have a Chromecast Audio lying around, just in case I might need it.

[tidal bronze]

My entire audio system is based on CCA. I think I run 14+

[timber stirrup]

I need to figure out if I can setup a small lcd number display and every time I hit pause because my in-laws interrupt and start talking about something we can track it. Like a pause counter.

[blissful zodiac]

I'd look at #find-support for that.

[timber stirrup]

ya, I'm more complaining than actually wanting to do something about it

[lone dagger]

Oh my gods.

https://tenor.com/view/evil-laugh-gif-20076210

https://www.etsy.com/listing/1852086989/crochet-cursed-worm-long-furby-crochet

Best $6 I’ve spent all year.

[lucid atlas]

Where do you guys find inspirations for dashboards? Not necessarily from HA directly

[lone dagger]

Websites, oddly enough.

[lucid atlas]

As in, designs of websites?

[lone dagger]

Sort of! One project I started was because I liked the way MSN does their weather prediction stuff. Saying things like “bring an umbrella” instead of the rain.

Now that I know how to do custom cards, I can probably finish that…

[lucid atlas]

All of my dashboards look like they are inspired by http://www.milliondollarhomepage.com/

This is a pretty good resource sometimes https://www.behance.net/galleries/ui-ux?tracking_source=nav20

[lone dagger]

Omg

[lucid atlas]

I've learnt a lot of advanced card design from this guy https://www.youtube.com/@My_Smart_Home/videos

[lone dagger]

I am still setting up these flowers, THEY WILL NOT FIT THE WAY I WANT. I will win, dammit.

[atomic delta]

I misread this initially and thought you were trying to give your husband incentive to use the bathroom in the house.

[primal laurel]

Now this is truly fucked up. Amazon Prime just turned a movie into a pay per view WHILE I was watching it

[forest edge]

first half is always free

[lone dagger]

I put down the puppy pads for him.

[austere anchor]

Did it kick you out of the stream?

[primal laurel]

Not sure. Was watching, put it away, came back and it was like this

also, the crunchyroll part of prime is missing random episodes

https://tenor.com/view/disney-movies-quotes-potc-pirates-of-the-caribbean-gif-14851127

[nocturne sierra]

I haven't looked at this server for some months and things have certainly changed.

[tawny flume]

Anyone experience valetudo with home assistant?

[clear ferry]

Yes for about 2 years

[tawny flume]

atxbyea: I just installed it a while ago on xiaomi mop 1t. I have just received the Mova s20 Ultra ready to install valetudo, If you have the mop, do you find the interaction effective example of changing the surface of carpet without mop and floor with mop?

[clear ferry]

I have the S5 and Q5, I only attach the mop when I want it to mop the floors, but I haven't had experienced any difference in behavior between original OS and valetudo

[tawny flume]

ok nice feedback I haven't tried it yet

on the mova the the mop is not detachable.... I will see what happend with valetudo

[clear ferry]

Might be worth opening a GitHub issue for it, but I believe the code would be the same anyway, just the cloud part is removed

[tawny flume]

Yup I read a lot ...and that pure dreame branded, It's not kind of custom firmware but root install with addons, I don't care about rooted and lost original cloud, and function can be adapted with ha like mop with map zone and no mop to other zone, not 100% certain but if they have valetudo install there no limited function as you say

[fringe dagger]

Chamberlain can't stop me now

[forest edge]

don't get why people buy those when the little devices like shelly are cheaper and work just as well

[fringe dagger]

i dont even need any features that arent in the original app for free im just salty

[fringe dagger]

those wont work with security 2.0 garage openers

[forest edge]

works fine with mine

[fringe dagger]

all the communication with the door button and stuff is encrypted

its not a dry contact

then yours isnt security 2.0 no?

[forest edge]

the shelly 1 is a dry contact

[fringe dagger]

but the garage door button on a security 2.0 garage is not

[forest edge]

dunno what to tell you. mines been in service for a few years now

[fringe dagger]

is your garage security 2.0 equipped?

[forest edge]

yes, in fact I have two since I have one on my mothers garage door

the laser ratgdo I kind of understand cause you get that added feature

[fringe dagger]

are you positive they are security 2.0? before the ratgdo people came up with some crazy shit to get it to work

e.g. people who used smart relays would have to solder to the button contacts in the security 2.0 wall controller

and even then it was a bit of work to get it to work stable, its a low voltage enough connection that it was pretty hard to wire it to a relay without it thinking the button has been pushed randomly

the other solution was a switchbot and a tilt sensor lol

i just went and checked mine. there is literally nowhere to connect dry contacts

[forest edge]

I do see guides where some people have to use an extra remote

wonder if its a brand thing

[ocean oar]

I have seen a lot of pictures of decapitated wireless remotes with wires soldered to the button contacts

[forest edge]

you don't have a hard wired button for yours?

[fringe dagger]

I do, but it's not dry contacts

[light dock]

Any special trick to force the ready made project bluetooth proxy to ask for wifi creds when wrapping up, i swear it takes me 20+ tries to get it to do it

[fringe dagger]

The wires are used for security 2.0 communication

[forest edge]

why would the hard wire button need that? lol

[ocean oar]

"security"

Not your security, mind. The security of their recurring monthly subscription payments.

[forest edge]

my wall button has the ability to turn on the garage light etc etc so it's not just a dry contact either

[fringe dagger]

Then how on earth would a Shelly help

How would you even wire it

Point is a Shelly toggles dry contacts

Security 2.0 units do not support dry contact controllers

So it can't work

Have to use a dedicated device with a micro controller programmed to speak security 2.0

[forest edge]

I admit my garage opener here at the house is probably like one of the first gens of the new 2.0 crap but my mothers garage opener is only 5 years old and it works just as well

I even utilized the shelly's gpios so I could have two wired contact sensors

maybe they changed shit again if yours is newer than 5 years

[fringe dagger]

Then it's not security 2.0, it never supported dry contacts. We're talking about chamberlains security 2.0 equipped garage door openers. The entire point of security 2.0 is that you can't do exactly what you're describing

[forest edge]

yellow learn buttons

all i know lol

https://www.garadget.com/product/security-2-0-dry-contact-adapter/

there you go

that + shelly 1 would still be cheaper

[forest edge]

00f using the forum format and trying to format a post using pictures is horrible

least for desktop

[fringe dagger]

This is the technique I was talking about where you tap into the button contacts in a real one. People had a hard time making this work reliably but assuming they got it working reliably you'd still only have control of opening and closing the garage so you'd need a tilt sensor and some software to tie it all together, you'd have to either forgo access to the safety sensors or do something there as well, you wouldn't have the control daisy chaining like you get with the ratgdo so you'd have to downgrade the wall controller to the button

So I guess if doing all that work and losing some control and downgrading your wall controller is worth it to save a tiny bit of money by using a tilt sensor and a Shelly and this then sure

[forest edge]

how does the ratgdo determine door position?

[fringe dagger]

It can access that information via security 2.0

[forest edge]

myq

wait even myq required a sensor

[fringe dagger]

No it didn't, it talks to the opener which knows it's position

[forest edge]

there must be a switch on the rail that it closes when the door is opened

it's not like it's "smart", it's using the same methods as shelly uses just more compact and no access to the user

[ocean oar]

I assumed most openers would have a stepper motor and known "top" and "bottom" positions; certainly when I factory reset mine I had to manually reset the limits

[fringe dagger]

Even if it needed a sensor, the ratgdo can tap into the one that's already there

The zombified remote method requires a second sensor

[ocean oar]

There are definitely no (external) limit switches on mine, but it slows down smoothly over the last ~5% of its travel instead of coming to a hard stop, so it definitely knows exactly where the bottom is

That's why I assume it must be a stepper motor, aiming for a known location

[forest edge]

sounds like more bells and whistles to break lol

[fringe dagger]

I think most people would rather spend slightly more on a single thing that they can just hook up and have a garage sensor in home assistant then save a few bucks and have a bunch of devices working together that have to be combined

And downgrade their button they already have lol

[forest edge]

its not a bunch of devices

it's one device

doing all lol

70+ for something that just opens and closes the door and does nothing else is high to me

been nice if they added the ability to add additional sensors on the ratgdo at least

like i get temp reading, i monitor multiple door states

[fringe dagger]

It's only $45 and it also can do all the sensors that the garage already has

Your solution requires at minimum a separate tilt sensor a button replacement and a Shelly

This would achieve the same result plus access to the safety sensors and such, without replacing the button, and without an additional sensor

For $45

[forest edge]

well as I said, I didn't have to use that thing I linked above for mine

I just needed the shelly, 2 wired contacts and the temp sensor

[fringe dagger]

Then it's not security 2.0

[forest edge]

whatever

[fringe dagger]

There are no wire contacts to hook a Shelly up to

They'd have to be dry contacts

Which don't exist on a security 2.0 opener

[forest edge]

I need to switch mine to a uni so I can use the door trip sensor to use in automations

[nocturne sierra]

Yeah the security+ 2.0 openers use proprietary rolling codes to send commands along the wire to the opener. The guy who developed the ratgdo reverse engineered all that stuff to make it work.

[forest edge]

is there a security 2.0 and a security+ 2.0?

cause I assumed all the ones with yellow or even maybe the orange learn buttons were the 2.0

[fringe dagger]

Yes but neither have dry contacts

[forest edge]

all I see is every door opener manufactured after 2013 was the security 2.0

which both of mine were

[fringe dagger]

After 2013 by a specific brand within specific lineups

[forest edge]

so it's brand

[fringe dagger]

Yes it's a Chamberlain thing

[forest edge]

mines a craftsman and my mothers is a chamberlain

hers does not have that built in myq crap tho

[fringe dagger]

Alright well I'm going to sleep it's midnight and I have work in the morning and this is going nowhere gn

[forest edge]

yup, sounds like I don't want to update my openers

[forest edge]

00f all those newer garage door local control gadgets are like 70+

[reef badge]

👋 hello everyone 😎

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/iggydr-dr-nick-nick-dr-doctor-gif-19040004

[primal laurel]

can you say potato?

https://tenor.com/view/hmmm-really-seriously-wtf-what-the-hell-gif-14489122674203607365

[fringe dagger]

I guess it's not sophisticated enough of a bot

Bro doesn't even use ai

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/minion-banana-gif-minion-minions-gif-81650879192259967

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/minions-banned-gif-25694197

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/noo-no-father-elf-will-farrell-gif-14042015

[ember heart]

phew. that survey took a minute to complete. 😛

[mental peak]

Is DS-2CD2387G2H-LIU compatible with Frigate?

[grizzled gull]

Please don't double post, you can add to your current post in #1284966353798697001

[forest edge]

do not for the life of me understand why I always try and do complex templating after being up all night

[crisp oriole]

Your finally in the zone

[small gulch]

so whats the tldr on the best place to order a voice preview unit (in the US)?

[crisp oriole]

The one that is out of stock is the best.

[last cedar]

Has anyone been at the dev team as to why 2025.1 isn't already out? We haven't had a single update this year!

|| too soon? ||

[forest edge]

gotta wait till 2026.1 ||year of the racoon||

[fathom sparrow]

everyone was on holiday

I have no idea when beta is closing. Maybe next wednesday?

[glacial knot]

you plan to update to a .1?

[last cedar]

No, I just love trolling and shitposting @glacial knot

I only update once every 3 or 4 years

I was on 0.96.5

Then went to 2023.3

[glacial knot]

nah, I have mine set to automatically update

[last cedar]

So I should probably wait for 2026.3 at least

Don't want to rush it

[glacial knot]

though I'll have to read the breaking changes section...

[last cedar]

Wait, that can't be right, it must be 2024.3

So I need to wait 5 years between updates, 2029.3 it is

[last cedar]

You are very brave haha

I do amit though, some things make doing that far more comfortable. I updated my opnsense to zfs like a year ago or so, can just do a snapshot, don't need to worry about it shitting the bed with an update anymore

[glacial knot]

yea. Having regular snapshots is part of why I think it's not entirely horrible

[last cedar]

Proxmox?

[glacial knot]

nope

[last cedar]

I wonder if that might be a more elegant solution to me running debian 12 with dockers actually, when I think about it

I feel safest wrapped in a cozy blanket, operating a gui 🤣

[forest edge]

omfg finally got these sensor icons to start showing up on my camera streams

that was a major pita

[last cedar]

Had the raccoon licked them off?

[lone dagger]

I WON THE BATTLE OF STACKING THESE FUCKERS.

[supple fjord]

Peak

[tidal bronze]

Flowers look amazing but what's that wire??

[lone dagger]

Fairy lights.

[tidal bronze]

Running across the wall?

[deft pewter]

Why not? 😄

[lone dagger]

Do you not watch the streams??

lmao

I have a curtain of fairy lights behind me.

[static schooner]

It's Christmas every day

[tidal bronze]

Inside that wall please

[tidal bronze]

@lone dagger 😁

[lone dagger]

lmfao

Is it bothering you THAT much??? 🤣

[tidal bronze]

Yep did it while driving. 😀

[lone dagger]

jfc

Now I know how to trigger QF.

[red rock]

I find your set up not very thoughtful to others who are sensitive to shitty wires

[lone dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/deal-with-it-spin-sunglasses-shades-gif-5946915

[red rock]

Can we have this as a question on the form next year

[primal laurel]

What PC building enthusiasts see

[lone dagger]

Ask Annika. lmfao

[celest summit]

i should've switched to HA sooner, now I realize how limited Homebridge was lmao

[red rock]

Hypothetical question: a friend does their wiring like this, what do you do?

• rip out the wires
• unfriend them on Facebook
• remove the hanging shelf
• put them to an eternal sleep to minimise further damage to the world

[atomic delta]

As someone who has a six foot server rack in his bedroom, can confirm

[primal laurel]

seek help

[red rock]

I have a bed in my bed room

[celest summit]

what

how do you put up with the noise and heat

[red rock]

My trick now is to move the 24/7 hardware to my parents

[atomic delta]

I don't run the servers constantly. Heat is easy enough, but noise is a problem when they're running I admit.

[red rock]

I mean it's a good heater

[ocean oar]

Just halfway unplug one cable at random. They'll never be able to find it

[red rock]

Lol

[celest summit]

useful during winter, not as much during summer lol

[primal laurel]

no its not, wasted heat

[red rock]

True

[red rock]

No but for your bed room

My room is only warm because my pc is there

[atomic delta]

In the coldest days of winter I run folding@home to bring the room temp up.

[tidal bronze]

Last one of course

[primal laurel]

computers only produce heat because they're inefficient

[atomic delta]

Of course, but folding@home is effectively a donation to charity, with heat as a side effect.

If you make use of the heat, there's no real inefficiency.

I rigged a smart plug to an electric heater that kicks on when the temp drops under 65F.

[primal laurel]

if everyone donated a little bit of money and that money was used to buy some cpu time on a super computer it would cost a fraction of the energy lol

[red rock]

I'm too stubborn to turn on the heater

[atomic delta]

My room would be frigid if I didn't.

[red rock]

In the almost 2 years that I lived here I only turned it one once

[atomic delta]

I live at 4600' altitude in Nevada. Desert nights get cold, moreso at this altitude.

[primal laurel]

I prefer heat pumps (including air-to-air AC units)

[cerulean karma]

Come to think of it, does the actual helpful part of doing the calculations subtract any tiny bit from the heat amount generated?

[primal laurel]

no

[cerulean karma]

The holidays have messed with my mind, I know it doesn't, but somehow something feels it should 😅

[atomic delta]

The only real parts that utilize energy in a non-heat manner are the monitor and speakers.

[cerulean karma]

Oh, my brain is back, we generate heat with the calculations as a useful byproduct.

[primal laurel]

well, useful, you can debate

unavoidable, yes

[atomic delta]

Useful in a bedroom in winter, absolutely.

Oh hey, my shitty Tuya solar rain sensor just came back online after... Two months of no communication?

[mortal walrus]

in theory, the electrical or optical energy that goes outside your home to transmit the results to the servers won't all turn to heat into your room. but that's such a tiny part of the overall power usage...

[red rock]

Tuya 🤢

[atomic delta]

I've had no issues with -most- Tuya zigbee devices. That one is the glaring exception.

As I've said before though, I wouldn't ever touch their Wi-Fi devices.

[primal laurel]

I have one tuya device

it doesnt work

[fringe dagger]

it is working, suck on this chamberlain

[ocean oar]

It's a shame you can't power it from the opener

I was lucky with mine, I emailed the company who made it and they told me which contacts to use to get the 24VDC supply that normally runs the photoelectric beams to power the thing I was wiring up to it

[dawn marlin]

lastest project mostly finished, a esphome neopixel lamp that turns on whenever someones playing on my vintagestory server

just gotta figure out a flicker/flame effect

[fringe dagger]

The plug my opener is plugged into has 2 plugs so wasn't an issue for me

[glacial knot]

https://www.partysquasher.com/
So, this showed up on HN

Pricetag: 250€
Feature: counts phones in the area
So either just BT sniffing, or at worst some imsi catcher tech

Sometimes I hate this world

[forest edge]

see a need, fill a need

[static schooner]

Useless for raccoon parties

Or parties of dwarves

[forest edge]

you implying little people don't use cell phones? they too big to handle or something?

[static schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/dwarves-yess-oh-yeah-cheering-gif-18189473

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/call-me-phone-me-gigantic-phone-gif-12333373

[static schooner]

Obscure reference to The Hobbit

[forest edge]

https://youtu.be/ao9rJY7bhhY?si=94fDtSd-X7CzUWNU

[last cedar]

shower thought

Someone should make z4m.

Zigbee4mosquittos.

[forest edge]

@tidal bronze hurry and bring your snowboard!

[solar zealot]

I feel like this is gonna come back and bite you

[atomic delta]

Humidity in hell?

[forest edge]

that would be my guess

[deft pewter]

You can't post criticism of AI or you'll be told you don't have enough knowledge about it 😅

[last cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/bugvp-gif-25716660

[forest edge]

finally reached new years on mars did it

[timber dock]

what's the home assistant official docker?

[deft pewter]

It probably tells you on the official support website

[iron granite]

Or the installation support channel.

[crisp oriole]

New year parties will be strange when you are on mars.

[primal laurel]

within 50 years we should be able to go to mars I hope

[crisp oriole]

I hope we dont have to go to mars within 50 years

[forest edge]

the shit you pick up with an sdr

[silent dove]

@forest edge I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

[deft pewter]

82 PSI?! What on earth are they driving?

I drive a fairly heavy EV and even that only recommends up to 45 PSI for the rear tyres.

[forest edge]

there is one just called Truck too lol

[silent dove]

@forest edge I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

[deft pewter]

0 PSI. Even worse 😂

[forest edge]

someone has a Telldus weather station too I could leach info off of

how nice of them

[primal laurel]

not have to, but want to

I also installed a community service weather station lol

just get an RF receiver

that reminds, me I need to fix my receiver

[tidal bronze]

Never knew they made weather icons for misery

[forest edge]

you mean you never knew they made icons other than a burning sun

[tidal bronze]

Warm and cozy?

[forest edge]

something seems a bit off

[silent dove]

@forest edge I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

[forest edge]

that weather station temps..

[grizzled gull]

hmmmmm

instant boiling

[forest edge]

I see someone else has a bbq reporting temps too.. wonder if they put the weather station in there to keep warm

[crisp oriole]

this weather station is for indoor use only

[forest edge]

hows that work

@tidal bronzethese the temps you cook with? lol

[silent dove]

@forest edge I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

[forest edge]

this is nuts I am picking up over a 1000 devices within range lol

wasn't like this a year ago

[grizzled gull]

What device are they using for temp monitoring? I'm looking to replace my smoker's probes

[crisp oriole]

there my prompt is working again. We need versioning in the LLM prompt.

[tidal bronze]

Cattle got tags?

[forest edge]

noticed my deck temp sensor stopped updating about 20 hours ago

I think whatever this crap is, is flooding my sdr too much lol

[tidal bronze]

How so?

I need 1 more SDR to test out AMR

[forest edge]

I have a spare small one

was going to hook it up in the barn but then decided not too

not sure what to do with it now lol

[ancient vigil]

hey, i was wondering, what's the best sensor for automatic lighting in restroom ?
motion sensor ? door opening detector ? both ?
🤔
i can't figure a logic where all cases are managed 😄

[primal laurel]

a motion sensor will do fine

[ancient vigil]

yes ? even if i sit for 30min ? x) i mean, i have no real experience with motion sensor, i wont have to move my arms to trigger it if i'm too long ?

[primal laurel]

if sitting still is a concern you probably want to use mmwave

mmwave will detect your breathing

it will detect your heart beating lol

[tidal bronze]

Mmwave + PIR

[midnight adder]

are there already visualizers for mmwave?

[ancient vigil]

OK i'll check for it, sounds a bit overkill ahah 😄

thanks

[midnight adder]

...this sounds incredible tbh... so I could have a home assistant sensor showing me the heartrate of my crush visiting me at home to see if it's the right time to kiss her or whether she is "excited" 😄 ??

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/piss-fart-sneeze-body-temperature-heat-sensor-gif-17311804

[solar zealot]

That would be the most creepy automation to write. Please use node red for that, this is too unethical for ha ones ;D

[midnight adder]

"Lisa, did you just fart?"

but it's in fact pretty creepy technology

[ancient vigil]

Dumb question but ... motion sensors work with real motion ? or they detect presence like infra red, or thermal view i dnt know x) (pardon my english french here)

[midnight adder]

that's like super critical information you have at hands

[midnight adder]

fact is: everything besides mmwave sux

so just use mmwave. the better ones use PIR

[forest edge]

pir motion sensors detect temp changes within it's field of view

[midnight adder]

it's cheap enough to not care about PIR imho

or what do you say @forest edge

[ancient vigil]

oh ok, and it connect to HA with a special tech ? zigbee/wifi/zwave/ another one ?

[midnight adder]

(just repeating what I've learned here on this server :D)

[forest edge]

pir has it's uses

some of the mmwave sensors use both

use the pir to trigger the mmwave for detection

[midnight adder]

I'd say it's easy enough to buy an ESP32 and the sensor from Aliexpress and then you have a sensor you can run with ESPhome... it's a piece of cake – once you did it 1-2x

[midnight adder]

oh can you explain?

[forest edge]

not really no

[midnight adder]

that sounds smart... I think I grasp it

[forest edge]

you need a bigger nerd

[midnight adder]

😄

let me think

Quinn?? 😄

[primal laurel]

yes. You can do very scary things with mmwave https://research.google/blog/contactless-sleep-sensing-in-nest-hub/

[ancient vigil]

damn ok i need to step up x) i just installed HA and add all my devices (light, tv and window shutters) , you are talking about things i dont know, lets learn ^^ !

[midnight adder]

tbh I think it's like this. PIR for the first motion – and here is the downside of PIR alone: if you stand still no motion is detected – but if you just trigger the mmwave to take over and let it decide when there is no motion/detection anymore to end the detection process

kinda obvious but 😄 I feel smart I came up with it

[ancient vigil]

cause mmwave wont detect the first move ?

[forest edge]

pir uses very very little power

why battery cams use it.. to keep power usage as low as possible till it's needed

[midnight adder]

it does ... 5GHz waves are only good with tinfoil hats 😄 I guess less polution of 5GHz?

[ancient vigil]

oh ok

[midnight adder]

apes together strong

[ancient vigil]

is "PIR" an acronym btw ? cant find it

[midnight adder]

PIR motion detection will give you 100000000 results

• esphome

[ancient vigil]

oh ok first i need to learn about esphome so

[forest edge]

passive infra-red

[ancient vigil]

Ah !

Thanks ^^ !

[midnight adder]

when you did your first sensor you will be allowed to enter the next tier of electronic wizardry 😄

[ancient vigil]

at first sight HA looks "easy" , but the more i want to do things, the more it darkens (it's that even good english ? 🤔 )

[midnight adder]

it's pretty easy tho - seriously - the folks coding all this stuff did a fantastic job – it's quite intuitive after you did it once

[ancient vigil]

i have an old "sauron eye" at home, a fibaro thing if i remember, i will do my first try with it

(maybe its a PIR sensor ? will check)

[midnight adder]

after that you don't fear anything because you know it's just connecting 2 i2c wires to the esp and upload a yaml to the esp

[zealous veldt]

Yikes, my neighbor has some ikea light that is now a router in my ZHA setup

[midnight adder]

kill it! 😄

jam it

directional 5GHz waves right into the center

[zealous veldt]

haha!

[ancient vigil]

And bingo !

My fibaro motion sensor : "détection de mouvement via un capteur infrarouge passif"

means : motion sensor via PIR

i need a battery 😄

[simple gazelle]

We are due sleet sadly. Proper hard snow that lays and goes crunch is lovely. Light snow that instantly turns to mush is just the worst.

[forest edge]

yea this weekend is gonna blow

better stock up on hot chocolate

[lone dagger]

I'll just be over here on the west coast with our slightly warmer than normal temps instead.

[simple gazelle]

London rarely gets below 0°C these days.

[stuck anchor]

i use a sonoff snzb-03 motion sensor. some people complain that it has too long cooldown. when detecting motion it will snooze for 1 minute before checking again. but i think that is great. you want that first movement to be detected quickly, but you don't want to flood your zigbee network with motion messages.

in general motion/pir sensors are quicker to detect someone entering than radar/mmwave detectors.

when motion is detected my automation starts a countdown timer and turns on the light.

when timer reaches 0 it triggers another automation and the lights are turned off.

my default timer is 10 minutes. whenever motion is detected the automation will restart the timer. so you would have to sit perfectly still for 10 minutes for the lights to go out while you sit there.

[lone dagger]

THE TODDLER IN THE HOUSE GOT ME SICK 🤧 My throat feels like gravel and the cough is awful.

[glacial knot]

You live with @clear ferry ?

[lone dagger]

lol no he’d be too excited about that

[static schooner]

I don't think they have illness in Norway. Didn't they eradicate that in 2005?

[tidal bronze]

October 2005

[lone dagger]

Replenishing all of my LUSH products at once is so expensive holy shit.

[glacial knot]

ha! that's why I only use 2 categories of their products

and it's still €€

[lone dagger]

So I only use 4 things from them as my regular skin care. My moisturizer is $52 but lasts almost a year.

That’s where the biggest hit came from.

Also why is my shampoo bar $15 now???

[glacial knot]

I like their shower jellies
Though only in summer

[lone dagger]

[tidal bronze]

You use skin care products that's not from S. Korea? Hmmmm

[lucid atlas]

Did you know you can type <google product>.new in the browser and it opens up a new document for you? For example sheets.new. Probably my most used shortcut/feature out there

[tidal bronze]

1st Costco run of 2025 🙂

[lone dagger]

Lmao no

[tidal bronze]

https://global.oliveyoung.com/product/detail?prdtNo=GA210000530 Let's get on with it 🙂

[static schooner]

The description sounds equivalent to having snails crawl over your face

[lone dagger]

I prefer my skincare to be as non-processed as possible.

[tidal bronze]

If you are not K-beauty savy then you oldskool

[lone dagger]

Oh, I didn't say I wasn't savvy. I used to do this subscription box that would include a lot of expensive, often K-beauty, skincare stuff. I find good hydration and the stuff I use now to be just as effective.

[stuck anchor]

back when mine were toddlers and came home with stuff like that from kindergarten i discovered that the yearly flu vaccine actually helped me repel quite a lot of other stuff as well. we started getting flu shots at work because my employer then was pretty exposed to the public, and boom - almost no sore throat or coughing anymore even when the kids were sick.

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/excited-i'm-so-excited-so-excited-yay-happy-gif-16375819648008939887

[iron granite]

Outsourcing is always an option. Just avoiding the problematic periods of a child.

[clear ferry]

Pretty sure we were sick from August 2022 to may 2023

With two kids in kindergarten

[cerulean karma]

I'm afraid to ask what you mean by "outsourcing".

[lone dagger]

The niece is 16 months old and I think she actually got it from the Solstice party we went to. I am up to date on my flu and COVID vaccinations - so whatever this is it's not very strong. Just fucking annoying.

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-you-really-want-to-know-are-you-sure-squidward-night-shift-gif-567730558872899605

[cerulean karma]

Babysitters? Winter camp? Adoption?

[lone dagger]

Selling them to the circus.

[clear ferry]

Reminds me, had a discussion with an American once about how nice kindergarten was, since I only paid $350 per month for 5 days a week, 9h, three meals and two kids, and he said he had to pay $40000 per year per kid, so his wife just stayed home instead

[iron granite]

Babysitters are too expensive and adoption would reduce your financial/taxes benefits.

[cerulean karma]

I heard the buy-back process was hard.

[iron granite]

And winter camps are only in winter.

[clear ferry]

Nicht pfand zuruck

[lone dagger]

Yeah, we were paying $1500/month for my son while he was in daycare. And that's on the cheap end. PLUS they were super hippy-granola-crunchy so he got good quality things. More expensive places are ran much like corporations instead of educational facilities.

My sister is currently on state assistance, so she only pays $144/month.

[clear ferry]

Yikes

My kindergarten was expensive

There are cheaper options

And in one of our 15 states it is completely free up to 4 children

[lone dagger]

I love how you call it kindergarten. So, that's the first year a child goes to school here - not daycare overall.

The grade before 1st.

[iron granite]

Do other states have a lower amount of free children? You could just split the children between a few states. 4 here, 2 there, a couple on jobs.

[clear ferry]

Ah no in Europe kindergarten is years 1-6

[clear ferry]

Hah, no, only one with full free

[iron granite]

Boo.

[weak musk]

kindergarten to 4th is elementary in the States. Middle school is typically 5-8, highschool is 9-12.

[lone dagger]

This varies.

K-5 is more common.

[weak musk]

I said typically

[lone dagger]

6-8 is middle school, but some middle schools and high schools are one.

It's great having loosely regulated public education.

[clear ferry]

We have kindergarten 1-6, primary school 6-13, middle school is 13-16, high school is 16-18 and university is 18->>> whatever you want

[weak musk]

Don't worry, we won't for long

https://tenor.com/view/pepsico-bubly-bubly-gif-11191452

[clear ferry]

All public, private school is very limited

Also all education is free up to university, then we pay $50 per semester

[lone dagger]

We have free education.

We get what we pay for, unfortunately. Literally. Higher income districts have way better support since they pay higher local taxes.

[weak musk]

It'S nOt FrEe wE pAy TaXeS

[clear ferry]

Wife paid $250 for her masters when she was 31-36

[weak musk]

Pretty great.

[lone dagger]

That really is.

[stuck anchor]

some americans have had strong opinions on the tax level here in norway until i have had them sum up how much they have to set aside for education for their children and a health plan that is still worse then what we get. and then they see that they actually pay a lot more for a lot less.

[weak musk]

Crazy what happens when you actually think about something vs. react to it.

[stuck anchor]

btw - hi. i am a long time ha user, but new to the discord server. living in bergen on the norwegian west coast.

[clear ferry]

Welcome fellow Norwegian

[weak musk]

https://tenor.com/view/i-want-to-move-to-norway-gordon-ramsay-gordon-ramsay-uncharted-i-want-to-be-in-norway-i-want-to-live-in-norway-gif-19048262

[clear ferry]

Only bad thing is she isn't allowed any saving up of days off, that said I was allowed to take it all, which is 40 weeks paid off per child

Because a student has no need for "days off"

However if I didn't take it it would be forfeit

[stuck anchor]

yeah... some people have a hard time understanding that studies are actually hard work

all those parties

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/phteven-gif-13079362

[primal laurel]

my master program was 2k a year. But the living expenses are much more than that

[last cedar]

If you were a shorter cat, you could have had a smaller place to live

[primal laurel]

all the hobbit holes were occupied unfortunately

[last cedar]

I hate that 😦

[clear ferry]

We already had owned a house for 7 years at that point 😤

[primal laurel]

lol my generation will not own a house

at least not in this country

[weak musk]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-spongebob-squarepants-spongebob-squarepants-show-funny-gif-8455771665958557884

[last cedar]

Passive Infra Raccoon

[last cedar]

You know how some people are "down to earth", wouls they be "down to mars" on mars?

Also, electrical earthing

Is it electrial marsing on mars?

[weak musk]

"grounding"

[iron granite]

And the opposite is ceiling

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/star-trek-next-generation-first-contact-picard-rage-gif-927914652863628298

[forest edge]

sounds like a painful way to die

[iron granite]

The power line?

[crisp oriole]

Thats not a raccoon.

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/star-trek-picard-damn-you-stare-angry-gif-16441122

[scarlet flame]

Cursed (but funny as hell) idea:

A "Ghost" addon that finds every light object or switches named "light" and randomly turns them on and off

[clear ferry]

I went from 2 to 1 house yesterday

[primal laurel]

https://spook.boo/

[last cedar]

That should be built into the pre halloween update for home assistant

[primal laurel]

house prices in my city increased by 15.5% in one year

[last cedar]

I moved 30km from work to buy an affordable house

Being a single income raccoon is difficult

Only so many doormats you can carry on your own

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/q-star-trek-gif-27275477

[iron granite]

[forest edge]

trekkies in ot.. quick burn the channel.. delete it!

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/seven-of-nine-voyager-startrek-borg-gif-11060018

[scarlet flame]

Doesn't seem to have a way to do my idea

[lone dagger]

There’s a blinking light blueprint out there that may help…

[timber dock]

why doesn't my home assistant go on the network adapter ive set for it on unraid 😭

[lone dagger]

@forest edge I sniped that because it was making me dizzy.

[iron granite]

Removed my flashy one as well.
-# The quantum torpedos are too bright.

[weak musk]

#1284966540617449515

[timber dock]

suggestion for the server: bring back regular channels instead of forums

[lone dagger]

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/no-i-robot-gif-18127283

[clear ferry]

Ours do 3-7% per year, my old house did 120% in 15 years

[timber dock]

yes please

i hate forums

[lone dagger]

Cool.

[weak musk]

Guys we don’t need to go through this again. It’s not happening

[lone dagger]

[clear ferry]

I beat you by 1370km

Funny text in this Cisco job posting

[lone dagger]

That's...a way to explain culture I guess.

[clear ferry]

Still want a 5 day a week office corp bullshit employee

https://tenor.com/view/officer-doofy-salute-doofy-gilmore-scary-movie-gif-1582138271910678587

[lone dagger]

I'm in office 5 days a week.

[iron granite]

They kick you out of your home for two days a week?

[lone dagger]

No, I just don't go in my office room on weekends.

Werner Herzog themed LLM created messages for notifications is honestly my favorite thing.

The void within you may be bottomless, but at least your floor can be cleaned. Prepare the space for the robot's arrival, that it may serve as a fleeting distraction from the abyss that awaits us all.

[clear ferry]

I'm also in my office 😤😍

[stuck anchor]

i was told by someone who had visited cisco hq just after the kuwait thing. they had seen a poster there that cisco had decided to not run as an ad. picture of a tank driving through sand dunes and a text something like "some of the most aggressive customers prefer cisco"

[lone dagger]

[clear ferry]

I shouldn't say anything, we had two products called Fat Boy and Thin Man, they weren't favorably greeted in Japan

We changed the codenames

[lucid atlas]

Could we have tanks instead of forums please

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/siege-tank-starcraft2-transfor-terran-deviantart-henryphung96-gif-16176441

[stuck anchor]

something completely different - waiting for the smart power meter reader i ordered just before new year. it will be fun to play around with and see how i can make my home smarter based on knowledge of spot prices and power consumption.

[lone dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/sofi-yanzon-pewpew-chan-oh-yeah-gif-12783045

[primal laurel]

this is american

[clear ferry]

Yes

[deft pewter]

And now for something completely different...

https://tenor.com/view/leaving-walking-funny-big-steps-gif-16195557

[solar zealot]

where did the page to manage categories end up being

[lone dagger]

Do what now?

[solar zealot]

i can assign categories to automations but where can i delete unused categories

i see the button to add some

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/monty-python-and-now-for-gif-5780059

https://tenor.com/view/monty-python-pose-and-now-for-something-completely-different-gif-15632988

[deft pewter]

I see you're a man of culture.

[lone dagger]

I don't think you can. I went looking for this a couple days ago myself.

[tidal bronze]

But why? Who wants to carry a calendar with them all the time?

[solar zealot]

[lone dagger]

I get it. lol

[tidal bronze]

Vegans make life difficult.

[weak musk]

Real reason: I have family there

[tidal bronze]

Oh ok that makes sense. Or else it would suck to remember all the dates like ATX

[clear ferry]

Y'all have dates? We just do epoch

[tidal bronze]

We don't care. Big difference.

[clear ferry]

That sounds American alright

Checks out

[tidal bronze]

Yep. You will undertand one day when you hit 2T or is it 1T

[lone dagger]

ATX is in Norway?

[tidal bronze]

oh Norway is not the issue here

[lone dagger]

Yes I am stalking everyone.

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/menatwork-downunder-vegemite-sandwich-vegemite-gif-25594639

[tidal bronze]

You got your moisturizer mixed up.

[primal laurel]

I just watched Troll (2022)

[lone dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/rescuers-down-under-joanna-disney-gif-7169057172730463508

[tidal bronze]

So no hope?

[clear ferry]

I'm so sorry

[primal laurel]

this movie has 90% reviews on RT

[tidal bronze]

https://open.spotify.com/track/6W99yGcIH43jskdRA7idD3?si=47a5d0877d244599

[fringe dagger]

can someone eli5 what the point of matter is when we already have zwave and zigbee

[deft pewter]

I think this sums it up nicely: https://xkcd.com/927/

[fringe dagger]

this is exactly what came to mind

this exact xkcd lol

[lone dagger]

The biggest point, from my personal perspective, is that Matter is an effort across big tech companies to be compatible with each other which means devices can talk across ecosystems. From a consumer standpoint, it's not much different.

Matter is cool, but I don't know if it's a better value or mesh than zigbee for my own home.

[deft pewter]

We don't trust your advice. You use WiFi bulbs in your garden 😅

[ocean oar]

Realistically, it isn't directly analogous to either Z-Wave or Zigbee.
Matter is the communication protocol, it can work over Ethernet, WiFi, just describes a common set of commands / values that can be read from / written to your devices.
Thread is the new radio protocol, which together with Matter is (somewhat) comparable to Zigbee.

[tidal bronze]

Oh boy, it's Friday! 🍷
https://open.spotify.com/track/5TaD282V96JNYFOE2SGYqQ?si=82a3ba0e15724f15

Is matter a thing?

[lone dagger]

[ocean oar]

It doesn't matter

[tidal bronze]

@ocean oar hey I saw your lego flowers @ costco today.

[ocean oar]

Errr?

[lone dagger]

Did you see my flowers?

I spent 6 hours stacking them.

[tidal bronze]

I was going to make a "wireless' arrangement.

[lone dagger]

I am pretty proud of them.

[tidal bronze]

You should be - wires

[ocean oar]

Definitely not my Lego flowers. For all of my... eccentricities... "decorative" Lego was never a thing I got into

[tidal bronze]

So that's a no?

[ocean oar]

TBH I've entirely lost track of this conversation 😄

[tidal bronze]

LMAO. I lost track of everything around 11AM.

[ocean oar]

It's 11am here now, and the coffee still hasn't taken effect

[tidal bronze]

11 AM where is matters you know,

[lone dagger]

Yeah that's Hawai'ian time.

[tidal bronze]

Nopes. Humidity blah

[lone dagger]

The humidity is nothing with that ocean breeze blowing.

[tidal bronze]

Yep, no, no thanks!

I will take Malibu over that anyday

[lone dagger]

But Malibu is gross.

It's in Florida.

https://tenor.com/view/bugsbunny-florida-saw-cut-island-gif-5578844

[red rock]

Malibu coke is ok

[tidal bronze]

Oh Missy. Who even thinks about FL

[lone dagger]

I could say but then it would be political.

[tidal bronze]

https://www.malibucity.org/ There's one Malibu. This is it!

[lone dagger]

-# to be clear, I did know this, I just hate CA, too.

-# CA hate being compared to FL.

[tidal bronze]

It's alright. I understand. Rain makes you do that hate thing

[ocean oar]

???

[lone dagger]

I think people make me do that hate thing.

[lone dagger]

Dangerous shit. Can drink that straight.

[red rock]

What don't you hate

Let's fill a bottle with tequila

[lone dagger]

I am a ball of hate.

[tidal bronze]

Yes sir! Pineapple juice with some Amaretto Cherries

[tidal bronze]

We are here for you!

[crisp oriole]

oh great 2025.1 is released. lets see if the regession is still there.

[tidal bronze]

@forest edge we are all about love here in LA!

[simple gazelle]

I did Amaretto and Baileys over Christmas. How is it now the 3rd?

[tidal bronze]

I already like you!

[simple gazelle]

I do like scotch, especially the stuff that tastes of burning seaweed. I have literally been on holiday to Islay.

[tidal bronze]

You mean spey side single malt whiskey

[ocean oar]

Me too! Holy shit that was an expensive trip

[simple gazelle]

<clarkson>Speyside is good, but I like Islay</clarkson>

[tidal bronze]

So it is Talisker Lagavulin or Laphroaig

[ocean oar]

Ardbeg is my favourite

[simple gazelle]

Yeah, also Ardbeg, Bowmore, Bruihladdich, and Kilchoman

[tidal bronze]

Bruihladdich classic laddie is a fav. I know it's not peated but good.

[simple gazelle]

Ardbeg my tour guide was this chipper tiny 19-year old local (I think the Scottish unis were out?) describing the Blasda as a "breakfast whiskey" and it was real Tinkerbele energy 😄

[ocean oar]

I got some great pictures of the three on Islay's South coast (Ardbeg, Laphroiag, Lagavulin) out the window of the plane on the way in too:

[tidal bronze]

Coil IIa if you are leaning Islay

[simple gazelle]

Yeah theyr'e all on the same <10km of road on that Southern Edge, hey I did do some walking as well as some drinking

[ocean oar]

Yeah, us too 😄

[sleek dove]

has anyone been brave enough to upgrade the zigbee2mqtt addon to 2.0 yet? 😄

[simple gazelle]

It was a reasonably cheap trip for me, as there was an overnight bus from London to Glasgow.

Lining up with the ferries was stressful

[ocean oar]

Did the tour at Ardbeg, got stuck in the peat bog at Laphroiag planting my flag on "my" square foot of it, and it was raining by the time we got to Lagavulin so I bought a wallet at the gift shop and left it at that

[tidal bronze]

Let me mix some Islay with some cabernet 🤣

[simple gazelle]

Sadly Lagavullin was closed when I was there. I did do Ardbeg, Bowmore, Laphroaig, and Bruichladdich. As I was travelling alone I ended up nattering to the barman in the posh hotel in Bowmore. Someone in the restaurant ordered the most expensive whisky on the menu, so he let me get my nose in while the stopper was off. This was 2014, and it was a 36-year old Jura, apparently the barrel had been "preserved" during one of Jura's (many) liquidations over the years, and they were charging £100/35ml. Now I don't think a whisky would ever be worth that, but I was still smelling new things several minutes later.

[tidal bronze]

Whiskey is always worth that 🙂

[simple gazelle]

My tastebuds top out at around £70 a bottle 😄

[tidal bronze]

Lmao

[lone dagger]

Gotta love the Gaelic languages.

[tidal bronze]

You would hate me for my taste buds

[lone dagger]

Y'all are sneezing in text.

Just in case you didn't know.

[simple gazelle]

Welsh just has weird rules, but they are consistent, once you let W into your life as a vowel it's not too hard. Or at least I settle for "only slightly mangling place names"

[tidal bronze]

I still think Yamazaki and Hakushu is better!

[lone dagger]

I used the Welsh spelling for my son's name and Americans are so confused by it.

[simple gazelle]

The curse of the Anglophone is it doesn't matter how much you like studying languages (and I do) there's no pressure so you forget it all. A* in French and 3 years of Japanese evening classes with native speakers and I can remember about 3 words between them

"pan" is bread in both 🧠

[simple gazelle]

I had some Hakushu over Christmas and it was far too drinkable. I do keep seeing Hibiki, but that makes me want to put on a pink gi and throw shit fireballs.

[tidal bronze]

Wife loves Hibiki.

Then again she maintains the bar. I can't complain!

So what next ? 🤣

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/one-after-the-other-steve-kornacki-msnbc-again-and-again-repeatedly-gif-19744460

[crisp oriole]

Finally

[static schooner]

I think the ultimate test of computer vision and robotics is being able to navigate a crowded supermarket with a cart. It's like driving a car, but people and obstacles are always in your way

[ocean oar]

Without running over the loose children, knocking down the old lady standing right in the middle of the aisle completely blocking it, knocking oranges off the display and grinding them into pulp on the floor, or "other"

Or that one person who just can't get it through their thick skull that they should walk down the same side of the aisle as the side of the road you drive on, and fucks up the flow for everyone

[iron granite]

Isn't that the only fun of supermarkets?

[ocean oar]

If there were no repercussions, I would treat every supermarket trip as a demolition derby

Honestly, they just need to offer a "people who know how to behave in public only" shopping night.
No children. No pushchairs. No fucking about.
If you don't have your loyalty card and money out and ready by the time you've stood in the checkout line for the 5 minutes it takes to reach the register, permission revoked.
Blocking the aisle? Revoked.
Wrong side? Revoked.

[static schooner]

I did Costco and the supermarket today and it was an exercise in frustration. Everybody blocked everything with their cart, displays littered the aisles, and pushing your cart out of an aisle without looking first.

[tidal bronze]

So glad A5 is back in stock

[frank orbit]

Yeah me and I try it already 🙃

[lone dagger]

Costco trips are awfully overstimulating for us, too.

[static schooner]

traffic jams pretty much everywhere. I can usually avoid traffic by getting out of the center aisles, but not today

I try really hard not to use a cart there if I can at all avoid it

[lone dagger]

People are so oblivious.

[static schooner]

many times I just stop by the big box collection at the front and grab one

it has all the sample stations that both block the aisle and people linger there with their carts that further block the area

[primal laurel]

the ultimate test is driving in Amsterdam downtown. Narrow roads, kids playing, fast bikes, slow bikes, delivery vans, taxis, pedestrians, other cars, trams, oblivious tourists

[lone dagger]

LUSH cancelled my order for some reason.

[iron granite]

Suspicious transaction

[ocean oar]

A lot of NZ would be good too. Roads designed by city planners in the UK with zero consideration for the terrain. So you ended up with roads that are (generously) 3.5 cars wide, but have parking on both sides, and are bus routes 😄

Average Wellington suburb street: https://maps.app.goo.gl/iGX5qMruXNXHiMLp7

And hilariously I just blindly picked a location for the street view marker, and there's a big-ass truck up ahead

[primal laurel]

why is there parking on that road? so bizzarre

[ocean oar]

Because most of the houses don't have garages either

Honestly, the design is absolutely rubbish

Here's a street I used to live on: https://maps.app.goo.gl/pZXrxeqjjSmUy2FS9

[primal laurel]

plenty of space to make some spots here

[static schooner]

But...where do they put all their stuff? 🙂

[primal laurel]

here's my home town https://maps.app.goo.gl/hHXgayVMns7pbX9u9

[ocean oar]

It's so... flat

[primal laurel]

that road next to the water is cycling highway for kids going to school lol

[lone dagger]

It was confirmed for same day delivery.

“It’s ready!”
Liars

[static schooner]

You're supposed to walk to school uphill both ways in the snow

[primal laurel]

I knew some kids who cycled 25km to school every day

[pastel magnet]

Were "last year" "last week" etc really removed from history/graphs? That is very annoying.

[sleek dove]

how did it go?

[scarlet flame]

Quick question: Is there a way to turn off the sluggish animations that have been added?

They also seem to break Firefox and show a scrollbar for a moment

[forest edge]

thats fine. I wasn't here to miss seeing the flashing

[forest edge]

glad to get back some MO meat huh lol

[hardy apex]

Just played around with this. It appears the arrows on the right will advance time by the date segment length that you just selected. so you can click "this week" and see last week by pressing the left arrow

[rugged ingot]

Nice work to the dev team on the backup features today. Huge win.

[midnight adder]

Why do I get random reboots with poe hat

[ocean oar]

Ravens

[shell basalt]

unless your device that's providing the power (switch or whatever) is "managed" and has logging that you can review.. it's going to be really hard to tell.. the easiest thing is usually try replacing the cabling

[cursive shadow]

I am not sure where to ask this so figured that I would start here. I have been running ha backups for a long time with the native feature and the samba backup addon. I see the new backup features in 25.1, but when I go to the backup area of ha nothing looks different. What am I missing?

Update, it just appeared. No idea why it took so long. Now I have to decide whether to use this new approach.

I am leaning towards skipping the native stuff for now as I am uninterested in encryption since it is stored locally.

[frozen fulcrum]

The imperial unit system is deprecated and your system is currently using us customary. Please update your configuration to use the us customary unit system and reload the core configuration to fix this issue.
what's a valid value for this? i've tried us, i've tried US_CUSTOMARY_SYSTEM, both say invalid when i reload my yaml.

i was using unit_system: imperial or something and now it's deprecated.

[young sigil]

I saw someone else just delete it from YAML and set it up in the UI.

[frozen fulcrum]

okay. i'll try that. i checked https://developers.home-assistant.io/blog/2022/12/07/unit_system_changes/ but it wasn't helpful.

[stone orchid]

Does anyone know how I can install the Astrometrics card demonstrated by Madelena in the most recent release party vid?

[orchid solstice]

I thought this channel was

People talking about water cooled ha

[hexed ether]

what kind of water cooler do you have? 😆

[weak musk]

edit that was the old channel sorry, #1284965988642590891 is the correct one

[weak musk]

As long as it isn’t support, it can be anything you want!

[glacial knot]

and HA isn't that bad that you'd have to water cool it

maybe the GPUs for LLLMs to run with assistant

[torpid glacier]

Are you successfully able to use samba back ups instead of the encrypted way? I was holding off updating to see if they’re going to make the encryption optional

[unborn merlin]

except sometimes.

recently it was just devouring 100% cpu and tons of ram and then rebooted it and.. problem disappeaed on a thing I have setup

why? I don't know.. and it bugs me 😄

[glacial knot]

maybe I should set resource limits on my pod...

[unborn merlin]

I'm fairly certain it was probably one of the addons.

or the fact its running on old hardware in an office on some god-awful old intel server hardware that has like.. 2.0ghz clocked cores..

[glacial knot]

mhh, no addons here 🤷

though maybe I should set up that monitoring stack at some point D:

I wonder how much ram it actually takes o.0

[unborn merlin]

considering it can run on a pi? not that much

could also be the frigate instance on the same VM on proxmox.. maybe. 🤔

Was just the frontend though; the backend automations and etc all just kept running fine.

[glacial knot]

PIs come with gigabytes of memory these days

[unborn merlin]

the vm had 32 gb and was using most of it... 😛

[glacial knot]

the only system I have with 32G is my laptop 😂

[unborn merlin]

desktops got 32gb, old server I am retiring soon is like.. 90gb on some dumb dual xeon I built in colleg.e.

I'llbe swapping to one of those weird chinese motherboards with a recent-enough intel mobile CPU that it has ridiculous amounts of cores; and giving it 64gb.

it'll also have truenas on it tho

[glacial knot]

yea, my server is an old desktop that maxes at 16GB due to the ancient CPU

[unborn merlin]

that sounds uber ancient.. 🤣

like.. windows-xp-ancient

[glacial knot]

i7-2600k 😂

nah, must have been vista times already

[unborn merlin]

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/235996/intel-core-i7-processor-14650hx-30m-cache-up-to-5-20-ghz/specifications.html

this is what my new weird nas will have.