the-water-cooler

[forest edge]

thats crazy

aww

I tried to get it to identify the type of animal and it thought they were deer

[crisp oriole]

oke I had a dream last night i was in the bus and i saw home assistant as bus information display. I said home assistant to the bus driver He said. Yeah it is over kill but support will last. it gave me an idea.

https://community.home-assistant.io/t/home-assistant-and-external-investors/813426

[forest edge]

you just lost a lot of brownie points

[sleek pecan]

Perhaps I missed this somewhere, but is there any styling options on the type: button card? I just want to removed the rounded corners but I'm only seeing suggestions for using the custom:button-card

[iron granite]

That's a question for #1284965988642590891

[sleek pecan]

Done. Thanks.

[lone dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/black-pants-bree-i-do-what-i-want-parks-and-rec-i-have-a-permit-gif-8794341

[placid prism]

Is it possible to rename device ids?

[iron granite]

#1284966582375813201 might know

[lone dagger]

I did end up moving the keys, though, that level of chaos ended up being too much.

[forest edge]

Tuya brought you back down to earth and you suddenly realized, maybe you can't just do anything you want lol

[distant jewel]

@lone dagger No Urdu in community survey?

[lone dagger]

We can’t change any questions now without losing all the responses, but I’ll make sure it’s included next time. 🙂

[last cedar]

I hope raccoon is also on the next one

[distant jewel]

is that a language?

[atomic delta]

Needs a big boy language too, like Lojban.

For those unfamiliar:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lojban

[lone dagger]

Gonna put Klingon on it next.

(We actually support Urdu in Assist so it makes sense to make sure it’s included.)

[distant jewel]

Infact I was involved in translating HA to urdu

yes with Voice hardware incoming

[lone dagger]

WISH GRANTED

[forest edge]

wtf was that

did they post crap in other channels?

[lone dagger]

Nope, just this one.

I wasn't in this window but had this channel up. Caught it immediately.

[forest edge]

lol and you just banned them cause they wrote ban me?

[lone dagger]

They were trying to use bot commands to ban themselves...

They were a bot.

[forest edge]

oh yea prob right

[lone dagger]

Lol, yeah I wouldn't ban someone just because they asked.

That was bot behavior.

https://tenor.com/view/ain't-nobody-got-time-for-that-gif-6619742716989994207

[forest edge]

this server gets all the nasties

[forest edge]

I do that.. typing long shit over and over is for the birds

[shell basalt]

aliases

my . bash_aliases is about 300 lines long now

[clear ferry]

This is why I've inplemented full fuzzy finding searching

[red rock]

Yes!

[forest edge]

just go pro and use windows

[clear ferry]

No thanks, I'm not a HAOS user

[red rock]

fuzzy search is awesome

[clear ferry]

I've done most of the stuff in this @red rock

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ud7YxC33Z3w

It is so

[red rock]

why does it look like a fireship video

[iron granite]

Why not?

[midnight adder]

damn what did I miss? so much new lines here

[iron granite]

That's part of our maintenance program. We replace old lines by new ones from time to time.

[midnight adder]

where are the AI robots that helps to read all the chats 😄

[lone dagger]

@weak musk is the one who typically generates those for us.

[weak musk]

https://tenor.com/view/timboulder-bender-futurama-tim-boulder-gif-15089755887082424665

[lone dagger]

Tempted to do a bot that automatically does that like the Previously on Bluesky bot does.

[crisp oriole]

Oh can my washing machine join discord?

[lone dagger]

Maybe??

[iron granite]

[primal laurel]

no, daft_dutch is enough. We don't need daft_washingmachine

[lone dagger]

ALL THE BOTS

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/vacuumwars-robot-vacuum-funny-swarm-bots-gif-24736877

[weak musk]

https://tenor.com/view/daft-punk-daft-punk-music-dance-gif-12958397

[crisp oriole]

Oke i now can now open webpages on my android tv and voice control to follow hyper links

[crisp oriole]

ONE MORE TIME!

[summer glacier]

Hi everyone! may be it is a silly question. I am new to HA. I am trying to add an HDD with media on it to my HA OS on raspberry pi 4 and when I run: mount /dev/sda /mnt/HDD - I get a permission denied. How can I add an external drive to it?

[clear ferry]

Btw living in the Arctic

[balmy basin]

im pretty sure HAOS is the wrong thing for that

i reccomend unraid as a nas server os

and im also pretty sure thats not possible

[balmy basin]

ooh, is it cool there?

[last cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/freezing-the-shining-winter-gif-10493991

[clear ferry]

Sub Zero for 5 months yes

https://tenor.com/view/sub-zero-mortal-kombat-sub-zero-wins-flawless-victory-kick-gif-17628776

[balmy basin]

dang

[simple gazelle]

Preposterous, I went to Tromso last May and I don't recall it getting dark at all

Hang on

[balmy basin]

i guess it is pretty cool there

[weak musk]

#1284966540617449515

[crisp oriole]

Send an email to the guys of basic browser an android tv app that is the only app that works with home assistant if they are open for features.

They dont use the keypad can bind actions to that like scrolling.

[clear ferry]

May is early though, June is the thing, btw we get midnight sun and snow in June sometimes

[crisp oriole]

Oh the voice assistant satilite only costs 60. Thats a good price. Only need one. Echos are fine in my smaller rooms.

[simple gazelle]

I still need to reintegrate my Alexae

[crisp oriole]

I have a friend who is so convinced alexia works locally.

its cloud right. with all the features it does and the size of it

[simple gazelle]

Yeah, they're just primitive ringbuffers listening for the activation word then sending it to AWS

[summer glacier]

Found a way. #1319403218303717448 message

[night ivy]

I AM BACKKK

[lone dagger]

Cool, now be sure to get support in the right channels.

[iron granite]

If not, I am happy to be educative again.

[unborn merlin]

with all the lovely random ads to go with it.

[polar citrus]

got a dehumidifier yesterday and I regret not buying it earlier

Brought my apartment down from 80% to 65% in a single day and it's still going down

It's not smart at all but I have plenty sensors around the apartment to measure stuff

[iron granite]

80% is bad

[unborn merlin]

80% is florida.

and I entirely am behind the thought of removing florida looney-tunes style from the USA

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/florida-man-chandlers-wildlife-alligator-gator-rodeo-gif-22660176

[unborn merlin]

we can also throw the jersey idiots pointing laser pointers at airplanes over while we're at it..

[rugged ingot]

was fun to watch the open voice assistant video

[lone dagger]

[tidal bronze]

Yep this works like a charm

[proper ridge]

is there any way to exend the STT timeout value?

for the assist

also i see most channels are read only?

did i miss something in signing up?

[static schooner]

Go to Channels and Roles at the top and choose your role

You wanted #1284966915055288530

[proper ridge]

awesome thank you

that fixed me

[forest edge]

well he only makes like two things

with the exception of the two things everything else is playing middle man. the transaction likely goes from your purchase on the site directly to the official supplier and then shipping is from them to the buyer. the middleman gets a small cut from that sale but really has nothing to do with any of the transaction

why they recommend you generally buy from the manufacturer in general

[crude token]

As in the everything presence guy or someone else?

rip. I just bought 2 from him, they arrived thankfully but yeah thats not acceptable at all

[forest edge]

when did you submit an issue?

https://youtube.com/shorts/14Kmtsw7ySQ?si=XAiXnwKKUkAFI2EO

this world..

[chilly mica]

Some ranting about the voice stuff. Why do simple things like "<area> light 50%" still don't work. These short forms are the most important ones.

[forest edge]

wait.. the japanese read from right to left?

[stable cairn]

most of the time. formal writing is often done in vertical strips, so they sometimes read top-to-bottom

and now I'm trying to remember if there was a writing scheme that wrote from the outside in towards the spine; so left to right on the left page and right to left on the right page; just to keep your eyes exercised...

yay, I fixed my automations. 😄 I have no idea how I broke them, but I fixed them too.

"Error rendering variables: UndefinedError: None has no element 0" went away after I grabbed updated blueprints off the addin github page, and ran them in reset/fresh start mode. I can only assume the old blueprints had stale / not best behaviour settings and it all broke when HA rebooted?

[forest edge]

knew about the vertical top to bottom but didn't know that in general they read most stuff right to left.

picturing books etc lol

[clever mortar]

Just pick up any Manga and that's obvious 😛

[deft pewter]

Just wait until you hear about boustrophedonic writing. That's probably the most fun in terms of directionality.

[deft pewter]

Yeah, I would've thought seeing the spine on the 'wrong' side would be a dead giveaway 😄

[forest edge]

there is no japanese manga here to pick up lol

[slow plinth]

I’am using, energi data service and mypyvaillant (heat pump)
The mypyvaillant uses a schedule for heating, and I like to set it for heating only the 8 cheapest hours. Any suggestions

[forest edge]

not 100% sure what you are asking but #1284980040940912641 would be your first step. I would however do a lot of google searching cause I have ran across guides of people using external services to control hvac before and might be what you are after.

[forest edge]

wonder how many criminals were inadvertently aided in this server over the years

[glacial knot]

Translated ones still use the reading direction

[glacial knot]

The fun part is single line text
Because there was an official change from reading them right to left (essentially a column read top to bottom for us) to left to right, to align with the westernized line based direction

[desert cave]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1123701925863505943/1202008377820196904/villains.gif

[forest edge]

comedic gold https://youtu.be/dEc86p1vgLM?si=g1BInnW_r4URXUUB

[iron granite]

Have you tried to get in contact with them on their Discord to have a more direct conversation?

[clear timber]

Ordered my voice PE last night and its already with DHL, not to see how customs is going to screw me

[simple gazelle]

Gone are the days of everything being an $8 gift

[clear timber]

Brexit is a pain in the arse.

I could order from mainland europe but takes that much longer

[still rock]

I would respectfully please ask if you can not spread information that is false. We have never once said that to a customer ever. If you have proof that I've told you your own your own, I'd encourage you to post the evidence. Posting information like that is damaging to small businesses.

I handle basically every email personally and I would never have said that anyone - we know how important our customer service is and we think we have really great history of taking care of our customers.

If what you are referring to is you have emailed us in the last few days and I have yet to respond, we have around 5-6x more emails in the last 5 days than normal and so I'm working through them as fast as I can and I will reply to you. It's not that you are on your own, far from it. Just give us some time is all I'm asking 🙂

[still rock]

See post above, hope that helps if your feeling nervous about it 🙂

[iron granite]

If it was a misunderstanding (it looks to me like one), it would be a decent thing to edit your previous messages. Just so that others, like you said, know what to expect.

Deleting them was not really necessary, but that works as well.

And I think @still rock appreciates that gesture as well.

[still rock]

That's not how it works with us just for info

[pine blaze]

Hi, Is there a way to have the rpi4 hosting HA to be a snapcast client to ouput to my amp? Or for simplicity of setup should I look to have a rpi dedicated for that?

[clear timber]

I considered this but ultimatly ended up going down the Rpi zero 2 w route

I am currently testing plexamp on the pi's as my family are big plex users and it was more about useability for them than multiroom audio and I have a mixture of Pi setups, one with a DAC, one connected to a soundbar over bluetooth.

[pine blaze]

Thanks. I want to use MusicAssistant to output over spdif, so am looking at a hifiberry hat to do this

[crisp oriole]

@pine blaze If you move home assistant to libvirt on the pi. You got a whole linux environment on the pi to play with

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-parents-rents-toast-see-this-gif-8123214719930901582

[glacial knot]

No

[clear ferry]

[rugged ingot]

man this place is making me smart

got me hooking up tail scales and all kinds of stuff

[primal laurel]

if you want to stay smart stay away from this channel

[clear ferry]

And do your own vpns, don't let other people define it

[glacial knot]

Don't let atx define your network

[clear ferry]

Hey I'll have you know I am a SASE / SDWAN / NSX-T certified dick

[rugged ingot]

lol do my own vpns, that sounds like a recipe for disaster, i can barely get HA to do what I want

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/computer-gif-7772800417258216914

[rugged ingot]

facts

that would've been me if I ordered the HA yellow

[primal laurel]

do you put that in your linkedin handle?

[crisp oriole]

Like recruiters read linkedin handles

[primal laurel]

in EE we don't have as many idiots as in IT luckily

[balmy basin]

guess what guys

my ha server now has a bluetooth dongle

[deft pewter]

Congrats, I guess

[pulsar spade]

Hey everyone! I've been into home automation for a long time (since the old X10 RadioShack days). Currently, I’m using a mix of SmartThings, Hue, Yale, and other devices. The new Hue multi-bridge setup works great, but I’ve noticed that Google Home no longer recognizes both bridges, so I’m exploring alternatives. I recently set up Home Assistant on a Raspberry Pi 4B, but I’m running into what seems like network proxy-related issues during installation. I’m not sure why, as I can access the UI, and the CLI shows an IP address. Any suggestions?

[lyric stump]

heres a funny one for folks, when robots fight:

I automated my litter robots and robot vacuums, so whenever they cycle, it sweeps area, works great, but for a while I have been getting sensor issues on the litter robot 4, today I looked up cleaning the sensors, it showed the lasers on it and it clicked for me.

So I ran a cycle, watched the roborock get closer to litter box and suddenly it got the red light. Didnt think about it but the lidar was triggering cat sensors lol, I changed the automation to be when box goes from cycling back to docked instead of during cycle. That was fun to troubleshoot for a bit though.

[pulsar spade]

well, post install a the onboarding phase.

should i reflash?

[static schooner]

I do the same, but I've always triggered off the 'docked' state. I never would have thought that the vacuum would interfere with the LR sensors

I love that automation

[prime frost]

where could I make a suggestion/request regarding the contents of home-assistant.log?

[iron granite]

In a feature request

[silent dove]

If you have a feature request for the frontend you can open one here, for Home Assistant itself please post on the forum. All other feature requests should be made to the developer of that custom card/component.

[prime frost]

got it, thank you

[dull mica]

Hi all, quick question - can Home Assistant Voice PE work with HA Core? More specifically the docker version
Asking because as far as I know the wake word integration needs to be installed on HAOS

[crisp oriole]

Say that you already had it. A esp bluetooth proxy works better.

[iron granite]

#1284966915055288530 can help

[dull mica]

Thanks

[clear ferry]

I used to have "jackass of all trades, master of none" in my corporate signature, but had to change it when I started working with American management

https://tenor.com/view/jack-nicholson-leonardo-di-caprio-prevalent-mind-snowflake-sad-gif-12171235

[primal laurel]

Not surprising, americans are all weaklings

[lone dagger]

Americans have no sense of humor in the workplace.

[iron granite]

Germans have no sense of humor at all

[lone dagger]

No wonder we get along so well.

[balmy basin]

nope, but i got the adapter for free

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/younge-sheldon-i-dont-have-time-for-jokes-not-funny-jokes-sheldon-cooper-gif-15592946

[crisp oriole]

just made one

[balmy basin]

also i plan on getting a ha green so i can use the server as a NAS

[crisp oriole]

@balmy basin or move ha to a vm on the server and make it a NAS

you can passtrough your usb adapter

[lone dagger]

No no no give us money.

[iron granite]

[lone dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/give-me-money-give-me-my-money-wheres-my-money-gif-1811055583017559994

[crisp oriole]

@lone dagger isnt the new PE voice like sold out?

[lone dagger]

Mostly yes lol.

I don’t know the full status, I’m on vacation now.

[crisp oriole]

me to playing with home assistant and some escapes to amsterdam. best vacation ever

[lone dagger]

There, much better name.

[crisp oriole]

Like you always where in holiday mode.

are you off site or home relaxing?

[lone dagger]

Home relaxing.

Got 2 weeks off where I’m gonna see how many automations I can make…

[crisp oriole]

I bet nabu casa has some sort of decent holidays system because the founder is european.

did you see mine progress?

[balmy basin]

vm uses 50 percent of cpu 🥲

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-correct-david-rose-dan-levy-schitts-creek-ep210-gif-20106528

[lone dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/i-know-alexis-rose-alexis-annie-murphy-schitts-creek-gif-20767209

[lone dagger]

Yeah, they help cover what the US lacks in when it comes to time off.

But also I didn’t take enough time off this year. 🥲

[crisp oriole]

me to. one week left can be moved to next year.

[lone dagger]

We lose all of ours if we don’t use it. MURICA

[clear ferry]

I transfer 29 vacation days this year

I've taken about 40

[glacial knot]

I thought the US is the land of accruing time off o.0

I only get to take 7 days into next year 😦

[clear ferry]

Pathetic

I've had 40 weeks x 2 of paternity leave the last 6 years

[lone dagger]

Throwing in paternity leave like it’s a real vacation lmao.

[clear ferry]

It is when the kids are in kindergarten

And my kids have been a treat until 1 year anyway

[solar zealot]

That's where they grow and harvest the chocolate?

or is this the mines thing

[crisp oriole]

THANK GOD!! I only tought 112 alerts where a problem that the LLM refused the execute the script. 1st it did not beleave the script really did pull 112 incidents. then I made a long prompt it tought it was to good to be true and concluded it was a stub. Removed some dupicate info again and it worked.

Now the same with the weather alarm

got it working

Based on the current weather (cloudy, 7.7°C in Haarlem) and reports of several incidents in the area (ambulances and fire department), it's advisable to be cautious and aware of your surroundings when going outside.  It's not necessarily unsafe, but increased vigilance is recommended.```

[brittle edge]

@fathom sparrow

Closed the thread, so cant message you there,

Just wanted to fire a personal thanks. I would have never found the Rest command. That made the script so much moer streamlined.

Ended up modifying it further, so it checks every hour, and uses a helper to store the previous value, so it notifies me on

[lone dagger]

Increased vigilance lol

[crisp oriole]

MOM can i go to <insert friends name> what did Home assistant say?

[brittle edge]

thats what i wanna set up, but a "can i go jogging at lunch"

Checks the weather forecast, checks my schedule, and if i went jogging yesterday, and gives me a "yes hun" or "no hun"

[crisp oriole]

you dont need llm for that

but is more easy.

[brittle edge]

i dont NEED a LLM.. but wheres the fun?

i dont need home assitant for that either, i have a cellphone.. but once again...

its like what i was thianking petro for:

I have a script set up to scrape an RSS, and push a notification to me whenever theres a new epic game store free game.

I could just subscribe to the rss on my feed reader....

[crisp oriole]

Well my system works when internet is down. llm is a sause i put over my dish, not a main ingredient

you can put it in your callendar using hacs

[lone dagger]

Autism time.

[brittle edge]

for sure, when i start digging into LLM, it has to be local, not cloud.

(and then, that means its not 'large')

[brittle edge]

what'cha building?

[crisp oriole]

it means it slow.

[brittle edge]

maybe run the LLM on my gaming PC, and if thats offline, fallback to a basic automation? :p

[crisp oriole]

if you work with scripts the LLM is not directly doing it. you need to edit the prompt and ask the LLM what is going on. Debugging on a slow llm would be no fun for me.

[crisp oriole]

you can switch assists pipelines using a automation

[crisp oriole]

I mean that is like giving a web developer a machine with 4 gig ram to do web development.

[brittle edge]

are you going to play around with the home assistant voice unit?

[lone dagger]

AUTISM INTENSIFIES

[lone dagger]

The poinsettia.

[brittle edge]

oh, come on, you dont even have each peice lay out perfectly with a ruler so the gaps are even! 😄

[crisp oriole]

Based on the current information from 112, weather alerts, and national news, it seems safe to go outside in Haarlem at 18:38. However, always be aware of your surroundings.
added a respected dutch news site.

[lone dagger]

Hahahahahahaha I CAN be that level of neurotic, but medication helps me let things go easier. 😄

[crisp oriole]

are your practicing PE voice repairs?

[lone dagger]

No, that happens when I am opening and investigating Apollo devices.

[static schooner]

And you're only partway toward knolling
https://blendstudios.com/what-is-knolling-photography/#:~:text=Knolling is simply the process,photographed creates clean%2C noticeable images.

[lone dagger]

Bag 1 down after a brief break to help someone.

[lone dagger]

Woot, bag 2.

I wonder if I can fit in another build today…

[crisp oriole]

😮 i wonder if i can search for recepies and send the grocery list to the lists in home assistant

i can show the recepy on any browser. a android tv for exampke

[last cedar]

40 weeks of holiday, followed by 52x17 weeks of hell 🤣

I am so glad mine are grown up and soon not 100% my problem anymore!

(But I do love them to bits)

[static schooner]

chopped up finely?

or more chunky bits?

like bacon bits?

[last cedar]

Finely, less chewing

https://tenor.com/view/eating-viralhog-feeding-yummy-delicious-gif-19077593

[static schooner]

Same

[crisp oriole]

o joy o joy. https://www.api-ninjas.com/api/recipe

oh crap not free

found one. cooking with home assistant i wonder how good it will be. Like im now adding the peper what next? and i put the eggs in set a timer.

[lone dagger]

I think a lot of people want this.

[lone dagger]

Bag 3 done.

[crisp oriole]

yea more real live than opening a kxcd commic on your tv using voice

[brittle edge]

pics?

[crisp oriole]

yeah i bet so. i think i make the automation and USE that in my howto i gona writing

[simple gazelle]

I have installed Sonoffs in all my switches now, well, all except the bathroom which I am undecided on doing. It's a simple "light switch outside, light and fan run together" setup. I did also get a dimmer for the bedroom for SleepAsAndroid integration, it's a cheapy off Amazon called "Candeo", who I thought had a hit with Word Up

[last cedar]

Nice job!

Personally I forget to turn stuff off, so having everything in HA is useful, but whatever floats your boat!

[simple gazelle]

I'm also not 100% sure on local code (UK), I think an outside light switch is kosher, it's fiddling with things like over-mirror lights and shaver sockets where you hit issues.

[lone dagger]

Just finished 4 and 5, first image is 3 completed.

[brittle edge]

looks great!

[lone dagger]

Thank fuck they make it hard to fuck up.

[last cedar]

NOT ENOUGH DOGGO PICS, PLEASE RECTIFY

Also, I really should share my lego collection pics

y'all would be shocked

[lone dagger]

She says she’s got no time for me.

[last cedar]

what a proper doggo

give scritches from me

[simple gazelle]

Handsome lass

[last cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-raccoon-cuddle-hugs-hugging-gif-3707445

scritches like this

[weak musk]

Uh, those pieces are no longer sorted using the dewey decimal system. What gives?

[azure barn]

My light show this year:
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLlb-YoIlJ7hx_xoExFaFeu-X5BY25UBiN&si=32TcO0IyQIF2KwSl

[weak musk]

holy crap

[lone dagger]

And done!

[last cedar]

I love lego, so theraputic

Got the ferrari 488 to build

[weak musk]

I take my nieces to the toy store every year and let them pick out whatever they want for their birthday-- I always come home with a new lego set for me. Always.

[last cedar]

And the "new" space shuttle and other space ones

And the stranger things set

[crisp oriole]

Struggeling with the prompt to force the llm to trigger the script to get the cooking instructions

[last cedar]

I think it might be time to share some pics

[last cedar]

You are not thinking big enough, your script should include the food being made for you, not instructions!

Also the bacon cooking instructions are wrong, it should be shriveled up and black as heck

[crisp oriole]

It works!!!!

You can ask questions about the next step. I added the garlic now what

there is only a thing with that the tts runs against some time out.

[atomic beacon]

Many years ago (ok, the '90s), I had a email signature that said "I love animals, they taste great". I was very active in a tech community and one of the vendor employees said she couldn't always forward my emails around because someone might get insulted. I'm much more sensitive now

Anyoen know how many PEs were sold yesterday?

[iron granite]

A lot.

[lone dagger]

Almost all.

[lone dagger]

It amuses me when someone gets mad at someone else simply because they eat meat.

[tulip reef]

I try not to associate with people who make "eating meat" their personality though

[crisp oriole]

@lone dagger #1319770338179158086

[tulip reef]

Same with people who make not eating meat their personality

[static schooner]

As long as we all agree that bacon is delicious, of course

[crisp oriole]

Im a where are the insects kind of guy

[lone dagger]

But how will you know they are vegan?

[crisp oriole]

You dont and treat everyone equally

[lone dagger]

Ah, that's easy. I treat everyone like the asshole they are. 😌

[tulip reef]

I don't care what you put in your holes.

[ocean oar]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-my-star-trek-gif-19129737

[lone dagger]

Love a great out of context pin.

[storm crest]

HA doesn't support NTFS right?

plugged in a random external disk via USB and it's not being picked up anywhere

[lone dagger]

Lorin we aren't twinsies anymore this is a travesty.

[primal laurel]

Hi

[lone dagger]

[tidal bronze]

Happy Friday to you as well! 🍷

[midnight adder]

gimme some pls

my whole childhood got sold by the people I borrowed it to

[balmy basin]

nah not rlly

its based on linux, so nope

[crisp oriole]

A great some prompt tweaking and i can set a timer using the time in the recept.

[unborn merlin]

not surprising since its not that expensive and has what people want..

[forest edge]

i'll wait for the black friday sale

[unborn merlin]

I mean sure, a year~ should be enough for them to get the stuff done? 🤣

[sage cedar]

Am I correct in recalling that 2025.1.0b comes out Monday next week rather than Wednesday? I'd ask in #beta but that's not available for good reason.

[static schooner]

The calendar is here: https://developers.home-assistant.io/

Yes, beta starts on Monday

[blissful zodiac]

Well this is a nice couple errors.

[forest edge]

yea.. something certainly wrong with that music player

[sage cedar]

Never in my digging did I notice a calendar, and one that I can pass into HA for automated reminders... THANK YOU!

[sage cedar]

It's difficult, programmatically speaking, to capture the state of a mutation.

[blissful zodiac]

Well right now I'm throwing CA Roots at my HomePod.

Having to use a spare iPhone to do it.

Finally.

[tidal bronze]

@last cedar season's greetings!

[forest edge]

pre-filament loose up.

[static schooner]

I doubt that fat would print well

[forest edge]

fat adds moisture content to keep the filament on the spool from drying out

chunkier the better

[storm crest]

How come the router from my ISP seems to have no problem mounting it as a DLNA share

strange world

[glacial knot]

DLNA o.0 now that's a word I haven't heard in a while

[storm crest]

yeah, I'm not doing it this way because it's not a method I'm comfortable with

but the fact the router can blindly mount an NTFS disk is impressive

[unborn merlin]

and even more impressive is probablyt the amount of security holes in said router. /s

😛

[forest edge]

stop visiting sketchy porn sites and you won't have to worry as much

[unborn merlin]

inb4 his router was made by tp-link and rebranded by the ISP.

[blissful zodiac]

I have a TP-Link router 😭

[glacial knot]

not using a dumb modem and fancy router like opensense

[forest edge]

fancy?

lulz

[glacial knot]

@clear ferry can you get your hardware people to make a switch with eink displays on the ports so they are easy to label?

[forest edge]

hpe

your on a roll tonight with the jokes

[clear ferry]

Eink display on what now

[glacial knot]

right above/below the ports on switches in like 4pt font so I can label them

[forest edge]

an excuse to tack on additional 200 to the price tag

[unborn merlin]

have you considered.. just buying a label maker? 🤣

[glacial knot]

I have a label printer

but that's effort

also doesn't work well when I stack things

[balmy basin]

magic router

[neon swallow]

Which one do I choose for my sonoff zigbee dongle?

[unborn merlin]

check documentation and look it up?

or crack it open and look.

[forest edge]

I think it's the default selected just from some light reading I had done before but most certainly check the documentation

[clear ferry]

People look at switches after cabling stuff?

Also LLDP

[glacial knot]

seldomly

[forest edge]

the smoke has to originate from somewhere right?

[glacial knot]

I wish everything I have here supported LLDP 😦

[clear ferry]

Yeah, I was fucking disappointed that coreos does not support LLDP, so I'm pushing Rh engineering now

[neon swallow]

Does someone know a nice hacs available card view that looks like a material design slider but can display sensor results? Like a gauge but horizontal

[young sigil]

Ask in #1284966617670881350 with the zigbee tag. There's no support here. Read the channel description.

[last cedar]

what a floofy chonk omg haha

[last cedar]

Normally when I cable stuff, you can't see what is behind the cabling 🤣, so no!!

[clear ferry]

You should see when I cable up a 64 port 800G switch

that splits out to 4 ports per port

just 256 end devices

[last cedar]

Only 800G?

is that some 2nd grade stuff you have lying around at home?

[clear ferry]

yes, unfortunatly 1600G ports are still not norm

[last cedar]

I can't imagine transfering data at the slow rate of 800G to be honest

[clear ferry]

No, the disk array is only a 512 drive NVMeOF array

so it would probably choke

[last cedar]

Honest question now, where does the latency of sending the command for it to do something become the bottleneck, rather than the actual transfer of data?

[clear ferry]

Excuse me

[last cedar]

Like, say it takes 3 nano seconds for the request for 'something' but it only takes 2 nano seconds to send.....

[clear ferry]

that sounds like multi node frontend contention

like when you deploy VAST, you can have 192 controllers and 380 disk shelves

[last cedar]

I understand why it is called VAST anyway

[clear ferry]

24 disks per shelf

all NVMe or SCM

[last cedar]

jesus

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/G1WY.gif

[last cedar]

Just to give you an idea how the other side works, I was programming a sluce the other day, 2 doors physically next to each other

one door blocks the other via a relay to an input on the other (both directions)

it takes 5 seconds

[clear ferry]

Yes, pretty normal

I love EMP sluces

20 magnet locks on each door

[last cedar]

signal has to go from the door box, to the main unit, to the master unit, it has to process, then send it back to the main unit and to the next door

[clear ferry]

and a couple of dozen contact points

isn't that just RS485 bus ?

[last cedar]

So now we just use the blocking input, 5 seconds is just too slow

yeah, rs485

we only have 31 devices on this particular string

no, actually, only 21 I think

So we got it down to 500ms ish

[clear ferry]

Thats pretty slow

[last cedar]

it is only the sluce from the scrub room to the infection operating theater, so not quite as fancy, but no less important

[clear ferry]

Anything above 2ms these days on disk response is slow

[last cedar]

Good think Assa don't do anything with disks then!

haha

[clear ferry]

500ms is a lot in data systems

[last cedar]

Oh yeah I know

spinning rust is like 50x faster than that

[clear ferry]

It is actually 2x the round trip time from Stockholm to Los angeles

[last cedar]

SO like, your next 800G connection for your plex server...

will it be enough? 😄

[clear ferry]

Not when you are streaming 4 copies of Debbie does Dallas in 8k 3D

[last cedar]

😦

Better hope you can grab some 1600G stuff then

[clear ferry]

I could just bundle 4 ports and satisfy your needs

[last cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-mimi-wow-raising-eyebrows-amazed-gif-23092188

[clear ferry]

I'm doing that for a connection from chicago to Gothenburg, bundling 5x20G internet links to make a 100G link that load balances

[last cedar]

Lets hope no Chinese shipping vessels read that

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/brindis-xi-jinping-gif-26069380

[last cedar]

might accidentally just drop their anchor the whole way

When you say 20G, does that mean a 10g link in duplex? or is 20g another connection? I have only really seen SFP and SFP+

I would imagine at the actual end, that is how it ends up being, even if it is a giant fat cable that has like shark bite protection etc

or am I ut o cyklar?

[clear ferry]

It's sold as individual 20g links, but it is probably 10g bundled

https://tenor.com/view/shark-bite-shark-bite-gif-26736927

[glacial knot]

yea, 500ms is when I send the signal to our cloud in US, relay it back to the EU, and then the return path goes through the US again
oh wait, that's just 300 something ms RTT

500ms is looooooooooong

[clear ferry]

Where in the us though?

Inter US routing is a lot of shit

[young sigil]

1200ms round trip from Antarctica (geostationary sat.)

[clear ferry]

That's reasonable

[glacial knot]

iowa (aka. us-central1)

[blissful zodiac]

I'm designing out a sectioned light bar for my kitchen counter right now, so far I've added HEV and IR as well as the full colour and temp spectrum.

However it does look weird lol

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/call-calling-dial-up-internet-modem-gif-8187684

[glacial knot]

Just use stralink 🤷

[forest edge]

a lot of voice boxes coming out in a short period

https://youtu.be/RoGTLnAQEOY?si=UoNg4Vss-64zMsLx

didn't like it saying the garage door was closed when it showed closing.

[last cedar]

I hate the idea of it listening to me

Would have to add another thing to the list that listens to my nagging chitterings

[glacial knot]

I want to play with a smart speaker that has no (or at least configurable always off) LEDs

so I can have a bedroom "clock" with no lights that works in the dark

[clear ferry]

What about an esp based pixel clock?

[solar zealot]

Black tape

[forest edge]

spray paint

[young sigil]

That's only just become available to us and is indeed my first job to get installed and connected. It's pretty fucking far from a business grade service though, we'll still be using the geostationary satellites as well.

[young sigil]

Latency is not bandwidth.

[glacial knot]

How do you get pixels that are both visible and emit no light?

[glacial knot]

I just know that we use it at a couple sites, but prefer the AVM 5G routers

[glacial knot]

with TCP it kinda is

[clear ferry]

Low brightness and auto off unless touching it

[glacial knot]

meh

[young sigil]

E-ink.

[glacial knot]

e-ink dim front light and a good way to get to light up could work

But those challenges can be solved by yelling into the room

Computer! Time!

[red rock]

So my router is owned by my appartment complex, and thus I can't access its settings and see IP addresses. Is there a nice way to see all the hostnames and mac addresses of connected devices?

[solar zealot]

unless they broadcast them and those broadcasts reach you, no

[red rock]

because I did check arp and stuff

but I could only see all the IPs

[solar zealot]

What's your goal with this

[red rock]

I want to see more hostnames to add more discovered devices to HA

[solar zealot]

You could intercept the traffic

Some switches even do that to show you which devices work over which port

[glacial knot]

you could setup a DHCP sniffer

though it needs to be there on the initial connection. Renew can be done on unicast

[primal laurel]

try netanalyzer app, works well for me

[red rock]

on phone?

[crisp oriole]

@red rock you can hub the modem with your own network with a linux server with 2nics and then some wifi mesh.

[red rock]

Oh I could have put my own router in front, but I am quite happy with my current network, so I never really felt like adding more devices

cant view mac addresses because of new android SDK

lovely

[primal laurel]

oh yeah lol I forgot about that

[crisp oriole]

Darn. Google AI is really stubborn. Checking news is hard if you dont explain the function in the system prompt you get messages like i dont have access to real time info. If you explain to much the AI thinks it's a stub and does not work. Had lie the rss is for cnn because it does not trust all news sites.

Sometimes it moderates the calls.

[ionic nimbus]

Hello, I am unable to post anything to home assistant reddit. It says everytime that
Sorry, this post has been removed by the moderators of r/homeassistant.
Any help please?

[crisp oriole]

Sounds like a manual step. Perhaps not related to homeassistant enough

[clear ferry]

nmap

[primal laurel]

@last cedar you wanna get inside?

[unreal crystal]

I know this is oversimplified, but I'm trying to keep this short.

For home stuff, look for the tech "Matter over Thread". They're protocols* designed to allow your stuff to work with any ecosystem, including local.

Is that too objectionable? I know the difference between Matter and Thread, but don't feel like I need to explain that in this context of generic tech abandonment talk.

It's been slow to roll out, largely, imo, because companies would prefer to lock people into their own ecosystems and apps. Apple, Google, and Samsung do have some motivations to be interoperable though, and Matter/Thread is that effort. Consider looking at Home Assistant if you want to know more about this ecosystem and local, open control.

[iron granite]

What exactly do you want from us?

[unreal crystal]

I'm just posting that to social media. Looking to see if that's more or less accurate, or if there's a better way to phrase it.

[iron granite]

I wouldn't say "look for Matter over Thread" in general.

[unreal crystal]

Matter at least does guarantee some kind of local control, even if the manufacturer abandons the device completely.

And Thread means you don't need a proprietary hub.

[iron granite]

Matter over WiFi often is easier to integrate than Matter over Thread.
And Matter in general is nice and good, but often still limited in functionality.

[unreal crystal]

Yeah, I know apps often add functionality on top of the Matter API

[iron granite]

Thread means, you need an ecosystem supporting Thread. Not all do.

[unreal crystal]

Thread means you can get any hub that supports thread, and don't need Samsung or Aqara's proprietary bullshit.

[iron granite]

Same for Zigbee

[unreal crystal]

Thread is effectively the newer version of Zigbee, isn't it?

[iron granite]

No

Thread is fundamentally different.

[unreal crystal]

Huh, I thought Thread was largely based on Zigbee

[lone dagger]

Matter sucks at marketing what they do.

But it’s also one of the standards that is supported by several big techs thanks to the CSA.

[unreal crystal]

Not that I expect them to be interoperable or anything.

[lone dagger]

If someone is already in those ecosystems, then I’d suggest Matter.

But for open protocols I’d push Thread or Zigbee first.

[simple gazelle]

"If you're cold, they're cold, let them inside"

[lone dagger]

Samsung especially is up to par for Matter with us.

[last cedar]

This depends on how good a hacker you are!

[last cedar]

LET ME IN

[wooden egret]

arp-scan

I saw rhasspy-speech mentioned on stream and that feedback was wanted. I've been using it since then and am SUPER happy with it. I only ever used pre-configured commands, no AI or anything, and it's much better experience than using local whisper with a large-v2 model
edit: one thing to note is that docker image unfortunately is not really functional, couldn't really figure out why

[lone dagger]

[glacial knot]

won't get you hostnames

though now that you say it, you might be able to get them with a simple reverse DNS lookup

[cerulean karma]

Thanks for reminding me!

Oh, don't tell me I have to build from source! :))
There has to be a prebuild docker, has there?

[wooden egret]

there is an addon for HAOS

I couldn't get the docker image to run personally, which is a shame

[cerulean karma]

Ah, I'm on containerized, no addons for me. I'll end this topic here to not disturb the chill, but thanks for the pointer.

[wooden egret]

It's probably because the image is really outdated compared to source, I would keep an eye out for updates

[clear ferry]

Add-ons are just containers , anything that is an addon you can install yourself

[wooden egret]

Rhasspy-speech add-on is a compose container, meaning it gets built as it gets installed, which on some installations is not trivial

Plus I took a look at the addon itself and it wasn't obvious to me how one would configure it without Home Assistant's UI

[clear ferry]

That means it has a build file, which means it can be run fine

So, still

On any install, except core on bsd

That said, there should be a lot of better options than rhasspy these days

[glacial knot]

but are there?

[clear ferry]

I wouldn't know, only the kids use voice in this house, and that is google 😂 I assumed the new HA voice was offline for example

[glacial knot]

I think it can be

[clear ferry]

What happened with Mycroft btw?

And almond

[glacial knot]

mycroft went proprietary so I stopped caring

[wooden egret]

rhasspy-speech has a wyoming version, which is what is being discussed here

https://github.com/rhasspy/wyoming-rhasspy-speech

Rhasspy kind of lives on as a collection of various projects Mike creates

[rapid plinth]

I think the main reason it's been slow is because it has an uphill battle against the long-established zigbee and z-wave ecosystems. It needs to bring something practical to the table that those systems (or WiFi) cannot, which in the case of zigbee is really really hard to do

both z-wave and zigbee have been getting updated with new functionality, I think z-wave will hit a wall because of the limited bandwidth in its chosen spectrum, but zigbee has a lot of room for growth and has only gotten more and more reliable as WiFi has largely moved away from 2.4Ghz in practice

[lone dagger]

Almond was what pulled me fully into HA.

Tragic it didn’t go farther.

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/these-nuts-deez-gif-13388028

[cerulean karma]

Yeah, no, for this one it isn't easy, I'm already deep in a rabbit hole.
There's runtime configuration, model downloading and training for your specific HA instance that's happening in the add-on code, that's not present in the docker container.

I'm sitting this one out 😅
-# and whispering strong words to the void about addons not being available / easy to use outside a supervised setting

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/dylan-judas-liar-lying-dont-believe-you-gif-24988331

[summer spoke]

Thanks for the feedback 🙂
I haven't gotten around to building a Docker image, but it will be pretty straightforward. The only difference vs. any other Wyoming Docker image is that it will need to expose two ports: one for Wyoming STT and the other for the web UI.

[cerulean karma]

Oh... and the HA training on exposed entities & model downloading is from the web ui?

[wooden egret]

Yeah I didn't even realize it has web ui until I installed the addon

[cerulean karma]

undo rm -rf ./docker/rhasspy-speech

[summer spoke]

Yes, you will need to give it an HA long lived access token to do the download.

[cerulean karma]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-typing-fast-typing-gif-7867869

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/hacker-man-hacker-cyber-gif-26053963

[cerulean karma]

Oh, the model list on the docker is lacking romanian / other languages recently added

Should we move this to a #1284966915055288530 thread? I'm trying (unsuccessfully) to find how to pass a hass token / provide the HASS websocket URL to the container

[iron granite]

Might be a good idea, yes

[cerulean karma]

@clear ferry it appears I owe you a beer & an apology.
Edit: The beer goes to Mike.

[static schooner]

And his ego grew three sizes that day... 🙂

[clear ferry]

Well, there is a thin line between confident and arrogant, customers see me as the former, my wife knows it is the latter

"you get paid to be an arrogant dick, and anything you touch you master within minutes" is a direct quote

And it isn't wrong

[cerulean karma]

... and his ego ...

[lone dagger]

Ah yes, we have similar ‘tisms I see.

I’m also the arrogant one rather than confident. 😂

“You talk to problems not people” was also a thing I’ve been told.

[ocean oar]

I've had people comment to me "wow, you must be insufferable". Actually, no, I'm the person people actually like (and listen to), because I'm the person who gives them honest feedback and not just what they want to hear

[lone dagger]

I tell others I’m insufferable so they’re pleasantly surprised when I’m not.

[cerulean karma]

Yeah, but it's a fine line...

[lone dagger]

It’s not a fine line. There’s a way to do it constructively and there’s a way to be a dick about feedback.

[cerulean karma]

My SO is a master of "Brusselese", which became an insta-favourite language of mine

[ocean oar]

Well that's the thing. It's a line, but it's less fine than people think it is

[clear ferry]

The good thing though is, I'm the SME for about a dozen products in country, so my arrogance is warranted

[lone dagger]

But as @fathom sparrow says - “me short sentence” because saying too much is effort.

[clear ferry]

This, not sales marketing bullshit, if our products are shit, I tell them, and they like that honesty

[fathom sparrow]

big effort bad

[cerulean karma]

Yeah, agreed. I think my point was it takes a bit of practice so the honesty is evident.

Re: "Brusselese"

I'm reminded often of a quote:

A diplomat is a person who can tell you to go to hell in such a way that you actually look forward to the trip.

[glacial knot]

why words

[ocean oar]

Oh yeah don't get me wrong, this isn't a thing for the first conversation with someone you've not met before. You build up the rapport first, and then you judge how honest they're going to accept you being.
Being on the opposite end of the supply chain to atx (but dealing with people peddling similar wares) it's the nitty gritty of the oddly-specific issues that affect my enjoyment of the product

[clear ferry]

Also, considering most of the talented people in our business, on both sides of the chain are somewhere between a 6-10/10 on the autism scale, the interactions can be interesting

[lone dagger]

Indeed

[lone dagger]

You’re the first person in a while who I’ve seen use the 10 scale for autism. 😆

9/10!!

[ocean oar]

Bigger number is better, right?

😉

[clear ferry]

To be fair, I should use 1-1024 considering the variations and also that that number would satisfy at least 512 of those on the scale

[ocean oar]

The mark of someone inextricably bonded to computers, everything must be a power of 2

[lone dagger]

[primal laurel]

Then you should use 0-1023

[cerulean karma]

Nobody's a 0 on this scale

[clear ferry]

Disgusting

Best regards someone who had to replace cpu1 on a system where the system board is marked 0/1 and the os counts 1/2

[glacial knot]

No

[primal laurel]

Arrays start at 1. Binary starts at 0

Yes

[glacial knot]

Even more no 😂

[ocean oar]

What is this telling us about Juniper's switches and routers, do we think? 0-indexed everything

[primal laurel]

It's the law of the land, can't help it

[ocean oar]

Because everyone loves the ports on their switch being numbered 0-47 when damn near everyone uses 1-48

[glacial knot]

We recently had the OS log about memory errors in bank 25
On a system with 2 CPUs, 8 dimms each

[primal laurel]

Fuck you, 2 based indexing https://github.com/simonster/TwoBasedIndexing.jl

[clear ferry]

Brocade does this also

I hate it

[ocean oar]

Also some old Dell switches (not long after the Force10 acquisition), which had double whammy of the even numbers being on the bottom row, like this:

1  3  5  7  9
0  2  4  6  8  

If you want a way to upset people, that is it right there

[cerulean karma]

Why not randomize them at this point? 😄

[static schooner]

For security

[primal laurel]

It does keep similar numbers closest

[simple gazelle]

Is it too early to break open the Christmas snacks 🤔

Sadly Iceland food always makes me think of Foodfarms
https://youtu.be/esqhhAbEM0w

[ocean oar]

Do love me some chunky diced products

[acoustic cloak]

When I start working on coding ha do y’all use something like vs code? Or do you use something completely different?
I’m new to coding so just want to make sure I’m on right track

[primal laurel]

Vscode is the most user-friendly yes. And make sure you read all the tutorials on HA dev docs

[acoustic cloak]

ok will do. I was hoping to find a youtuber i could follow for my first project. I am still learning how to code. I figured this would be the simplest for now.

[primal laurel]

If you just started learning python contributing to HA may be too intimidating

[winged rover]

Are you new to coding overall or just coding for HA?

[acoustic cloak]

ok why would you say that? Just curious

[acoustic cloak]

Overall.

[winged rover]

There are some common concepts that may need a few tabs of googling if this is your first code project

[primal laurel]

I've been programming python for quite some years and even for me it's not easy, simply because HA is such a large project. I would start with something smaller

[acoustic cloak]

ah yes, i have been googling a lot lol but also i did pass code academy course 1 on python. So i am familiar but still a long ways to go.

[acoustic cloak]

Ok what would you suggest?

[winged rover]

Fair enough!!

[acoustic cloak]

Yes sir, i hope to learn as i go on ha even if it takes a year or 2. Its about the only thing to give me the drive i need to learn how to code.

[winged rover]

I wish you good luck on that journey!

And this is why I don't use Edge..........

Gonna talk to my dad about dissolving MS family after dinner

Aaand Google is being weird

[primal laurel]

Maybe appdaemon is nice https://github.com/hassio-addons/addon-appdaemon

Allows you to write stuff for HA in python

From within an addon

[acoustic cloak]

awesome ty!

[jaunty breach]

Christmas gift recommendations for people just installing HA for the first time?

[winged rover]

Zigbee or Zwave usb antenna if they don't have one already

[austere anchor]

https://tenor.com/view/kid-child-baby-amazed-dance-gif-4628544

VPE just arrived today!!

[jaunty breach]

Not a bad idea. they dont have any zigbee or zwave yet tho, but useful.

all their stuff is wifi

[ocean oar]

Just follow the universal rule of families and tech: if you buy it, you're signing up to support it, so make sure it's something you'd be happy to use yourself 😛

[heady zealot]

Got a question... Anyone know if there's a way to pull values from nws (national weather service) forecast for automation?
I want to set up an automation that'll tell me to turn on the water if it's supposed to get below 25.

[vale dust]

How come hass isn't a monorepo

Seems weird frontend is split

[heady zealot]

I've read something that there's supposed to be a template for nws, but at a loss on where to get/put such a template.

[iron granite]

#1284966664357810196 can help with triggered templates and retrieving info from the forecast.

[heady zealot]

K. thanks

[heady zealot]

Either I haven't figured out how all this is designed, but there doesn't seem to be a way to ask the question in "templates". So where can I get the friendly help I need?

I do usually try to search for what I'm looking for in the discord search. But it doesn't seem that anybody has asked such a thing.

[winged rover]

Have you not seen forum channels before?

[heady zealot]

I'm on 9 different servers. So yea. But I haven't seen any with those chat bubble icons.

[austere anchor]

Go here #1284966664357810196 and then click the + button.

[static schooner]

That's a forum channel

[heady zealot]

I see no + button.

[winged rover]

What do you see?

[austere anchor]

Type in the top and click new post.

The + FAB is on mobile.

[winged rover]

FAB?

[austere anchor]

The hints are the “Search or create a post…” text placeholder and the big purple call-to-action button.

[austere anchor]

Floating action button

[winged rover]

Ahh oki

[forest edge]

at some point just redirecting to the forums may make things easier lol

[austere anchor]

It was an informal acronym from when Google launched Material Design.

[winged rover]

I see

[winged rover]

?

[solar zealot]

arguably this is just a primary themed one as its not overlayed onto the content of that page

[heady zealot]

Ok. So I do a post and wait for someone to answer it. Hmm... Seems to be an unfriendly way to go about a chat channel.

[static schooner]

It's the same as posting here

[winged rover]

It's better than a support free-for-all tbh.

[heady zealot]

I'm always used to doing a search for what I'm looking for and if I don't find anything, I just ask in the channel and someone reples.

[austere anchor]

On mobile it’s a FAB.

[heady zealot]

heh. Maybe.

[solar zealot]

pfff mobile users

[winged rover]

Technically I have 2 :)

[austere anchor]

That’s a tall phone.

[solar zealot]

what kinda phone is this

[heady zealot]

But I'm also used to the world of irc. Ran a server for years back in the 90s.

[solar zealot]

a long one

[winged rover]

I can scroll screenshots

Actual size

[solar zealot]

the new samsung zcroll or something

[winged rover]

Lol

[austere anchor]

Yea. Coming from there, I actually think the forum switch is nice. Quite often a question is asked but doesn’t get answered right away. If someone who knows an answer isn’t online at the time, it’s long gone by the time they log back on. Here, I scroll through the forums from time to time and can answer things posted well outside my time zone.

[forest edge]

it seems like there are far fewer people asking tho

the new count i see really dosen't jump up much

[winged rover]

I did Discord tech support, I would kill for forums

[heady zealot]

Yea. I can see that as helpful. But discord also saves your last known and shows new posts too.

[austere anchor]

That’s probably because people used to have to ask multiple times to try to get an answer. 🤣

woops. reply was a mistake

[winged rover]

Project got shut down.

[iron granite]

I'm sure killing someone is against some of our rules. 🤔

[winged rover]

You know what I mean silly

: þ

[heady zealot]

Always gotta be someone that asks things multiple times. Human nature cuz they think they're being ignoreed.

ignored.

[winged rover]

True enough tbh

[austere anchor]

one hour later: Bumping this post!

[winged rover]

Yeeeeeeeeeep

two minutes later how do I install <clearly_illegal.apk> to my android emulator?

Two minutes if I'm lucky

[austere anchor]

Yeeea. Did plenty of Android support with twrp on IRC in my day too. The barrier of entry for IRC was just high enough that some of the really dumb questions were avoided, but it was still annoying.

[winged rover]

It wasn't an Android emu but it was emulation with a twist of lemon

But point carries

[primal laurel]

Discord is very inefficient for support anyway. Because none of the answers here are indexed by search engines, and nobody really goes searching for older posts to look for answers before asking

[forest edge]

thats why there was forums and discord

[winged rover]

I did search before making a thread, but yeah so many repeat questions

[austere anchor]

Hmm. I’d be cool for a bot to mirror support posts to the forum with their original question, resolution, and a link to the discord thread.

[primal laurel]

Hence why I made the energy FAQ lol. So inefficient answering the exact same questions over an over again

[forest edge]

will have to get missy to post the analytics again and compare but curious if activity really has dropped

[winged rover]

~~bumping: https://discord.com/channels/330944238910963714/1320153921951633428 ~~

[winged rover]

That'd be cool yeah

[heady zealot]

Yea. Talk about energy... The info on setting up energy is not very helpful. But at least I THINK I got it set up right. But there was nothing in there that explains if it's supposed to be the total or daily or whatever.

[primal laurel]

Daily or total doesn't matter

I think it does say something about that on the docs

Official docs

[heady zealot]

I had a dumb moment when I was using the phase 1 and phase 2 total along with phase 1 because of shortened tags. But got that fixed.

It should when the energy ticks along with the information. Depending on how HA energy works, if it used a total when it's looking for something else... I'm not sure how it figures out things. But it seems to be working. I think they did a really cool job on getting that working.

I've used homeseer and tried openhab and HA is the only thing that actually worked with my inverters.

[winged rover]

Also, having just installed HA today, I like how the Ubuntu-y instal works

[primal laurel]

The energy dashboard doesn't actually store anything. It just takes the long term statistics from other sensors and computes a simple sum of loads and generators

It's very simple

[heady zealot]

Not even sure what it uses. Isn't HA under debian?

[winged rover]

It uses live Ubuntu to write a disk image straight onto the host

[heady zealot]

Yea. I think I got the energy working right. Still paying an arm and a leg for power though.

[iron granite]

HAOS is not Debian based. It uses buildroot.

[heady zealot]

Ok. I've used ubuntu before. But like debian better. Don't use the gui that much. Mostly cli user.

I have it installed in a proxmox.

[primal laurel]

HA is just a python app

[winged rover]

I prefer straight Deb as well, but followed the recommended bare metal x86 guide bc I did it bare metal

[heady zealot]

Nothing wrong with bare metal installs. But since I use the same computer as the firewall for the whole house and was talked into trying proxmox... I got another instance running opnsense.

Still working out bugs in that. Gotta use numeric ip on internal lan instead of my external domain. Can't remember how to fix that. 😛

I'm sure it's a route issue, but I'll figure it out someday.

[primal laurel]

Golden rule

KISS

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/adventure-time-now-kiss-finn-gif-5658105

[austere anchor]

I keep it simple… by storing all my Ansible and Terraform configuration in a git repo so I can bootstrap all my servers with a single command. Wait… what’s simple mean again? 😉

[winged rover]

Lol

[primal laurel]

Did you bring your job into your home? Lol

[winged rover]

oh hi Jeff

[austere anchor]

I started doing it when I started managing people instead of building things.

Now I’m back to building for work too, so…

[lone dagger]

Love being at a party with mulled wine. That is all.

[short forge]

I need some way to get a notification when my doorbell rings. Only that, nothimg else. no remote opening, no picking up remotely

I dont wanna take apart the system too hard, and i dont wanna pay too much. i just want notifs to home assistant

[oblique forge]

I found a template and made it horrible

[austere anchor]

Maybe try #the-workshop ? Maybe by connecting some sensor to your chime.

[midnight adder]

for the past year I connected my NAS to my HA and would navigate to individual files every time I wanted to stream a song to a speaker.....somehow I just now found out about Music Assistant....this is an absolute game changer. I can't believe it took me this long

[forest edge]

Glad to see other countries branching out with thier own versions lmao https://www.youtube.com/@SDoNZ

[forest edge]

who would have thought the year of 2025 would be all about lasers

[ocean oar]

https://tenor.com/view/finger-quotes-drevil-austin-powers-gif-6529102148968853119

[red rock]

This is too boomer

https://youtube.com/@dashcamownersaustralia

This is where its at

[heady zealot]

heh. Lasers. And those idiots in NJ lighting up aircraft because they think they're drones.

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/laserbeams-yourefired-freakinglaserbeams-drevil-austin-gif-8410743

[forest edge]

because half the dash cam footage is the person with the dash cam being the shit driver? lol

[red rock]

yes!

[crisp oriole]

God god. Working on my 112 check i was moving from amsterdam to haarlem and it kept filling in amsterdam when i can back to haarlem.

[glacial knot]

yea, I love how often the dashcam drivers are atrocious drivers

[solar zealot]

this so much

more than half the time it's like "look how I made them drive for them to nearly crash"

[forest edge]

trying to be all clever

[olive briar]

Huh?

[primal laurel]

ad, please remove @iron granite

[olive briar]

...i did say I'll remove it if people complain...

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/ive-been-summoned-summoned-summoning-gif-26707825

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/egging-house-beavis-butt-head-beavis-and-butt-head-bbhonpplus-gif-5470517017879898318

[primal laurel]

I am complaining

[olive briar]

It wasn't really an ad tbh, just was helping people

[crisp oriole]

great summon i call opun you FROM THE LOWER PITS OF HELL i call you.

[olive briar]

And you're new here... 😂

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/bestmovi-monty-python-and-the-gif-25512106

[olive briar]

I was just sharing an AI subscription with everyone. I removed it myself

[heady zealot]

Still an ad.

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/south-park-jimmy-southpark-jimmy-ad-gif-25071951

[heady zealot]

You pop into a channel and that's the first thing you put in the chan?

I like that one, Jorg.

[forest edge]

ugh the ai crap flooding youtube has quickly became annoying

[primal laurel]

I have completely disabled personalized recommendations, history and tracking

so only subscriptions and likes left

can highly recommend

[tidal bronze]

Are they plumbing with AI?

[forest edge]

quite literally.. yes lol https://youtube.com/shorts/oEiq-02w4vQ?si=gOX_qLgcUd_ULTl8

[nimble kernel]

Anyone here use nanoleaf light bulbs?

[tidal bronze]

Frigate .15 joins the club

Time to fire up a dedicated local AI

[forest edge]

why? it's not like your cameras catch anything other than deliveries anyways.. searching for the term "box" is still going to make every event you ever capture show up just as the same as clicking All

damn infestation

[heady zealot]

Cute. I have a family of 4 around here.

[tidal bronze]

Camera OSD clock still there? Motion masking?

[forest edge]

why wouldn't it be there?

[tidal bronze]

Unless you motion mask it's continous motion

[forest edge]

this isn't through frigate so no it doesn't trigger off that

[mental peak]

I bought the Skyconnect. It was sold to me as a device which I could connect all my Matter and Zigbee devices to. Now I'm being told it can't do it and I need to buy a second Skyconnect.

[forest edge]

@tidal bronzedid you see I tried running these driveway pics through the gemini thing? #the-water-cooler message

was impressed at first but that quickly died off

[forest edge]

Matter and Zigbee are two seperate things. the dongle cannot do both at same time

[mental peak]

That's not what was advertised when I purchased it?

[iron granite]

It is stated on the product page, that it is possible, but not recommended.
"What is the current state of multiprotocol support?"

[tidal bronze]

`Based on the original image and the cropped hints, it appears to be a nighttime scene captured by a trail camera. There are two animals present.

The first animal appears to be a bobcat in the middle of the frame. The other appears to be an armadillo at the bottom right. The location is noted as "Farm Driveway" at the bottom right of the frame. The timestamp at the top of the image indicates the date as 12/19/2024 at 04:43:30 am on a Thursday.`

Ai studio 2.0 Flash goes beyond lol

[mental peak]

Did it always say that? I don't recall it being disclosed as an issue.

[iron granite]

Multiprotocol has always been experimental, even with the old SkyConnects. Also on the product page.
Multiprotocol development has been frozen (not cancelled) some time ago, due to performance and firmware issues.

[forest edge]

exactly.. how horrible is that? lmao

[tidal bronze]

@forest edge you need better cameras There are small animals visible in the image—possibly a raccoon and an armadillo GPT is having issues as well

Add an IR flood

[forest edge]

interesting. I never realized they actually considered both at same time.. how the hell does interference not hinder the shit out of that?

[iron granite]

Quote from 2022:

Out of the box the Home Assistant SkyConnect will support only Zigbee. We're working on a firmware update that makes it possible to run both Zigbee and Thread at the same time. Thread is the mesh networking protocol that powers Matter, the new standard for smart home devices.

[forest edge]

it's a 4g solar camera.. the clarity and resolution is what it is lol

[tidal bronze]

oh.

a non-starter

[iron granite]

It only transmits on one protocol at a time and changes back to the other. Likely one of the performance drawbacks.

[forest edge]

wonder if it would melt over extended use

[mental peak]

Ah it's a shame they could never get Zigbee and Thread to work simultaneously.

I guess I now need to decide whether I want to purchase a second one, or replace all my Zigbee devices with Thread

[forest edge]

I would honestly not run both off same dongle regardless

not to mention if you really want better zigbee then you need a cordinator with an external antenna imo

[iron granite]

Well... they did get it to work - called Multiprotocol, but it has issues and isn't recommended due to that. You will get better performance by using seperate radios for Zigbee and Thread.

[primal laurel]

multiprotocol requires some low level embedded software on the chip itself, highly doubt the HA team is involved in that part at all. So the bottleneck is with SI labs

[iron granite]

And Silicon Labs seems to be very slow to solve issues in their software.

[clear ferry]

I'll keep my Zigbee and Texas instruments thank you very much

[forest edge]

@tidal bronzeshame that it seems the ha intergration only does text, I would use gemini's ability to highlight objects in an image if that were possible

would beat trying to find the blended in racoon when the image pops up on my tv lol

[tidal bronze]

I had to change recording filter to all. Motion is not cutting it. Was trying to help find a runaway dog and what a let down.

[forest edge]

how would that work? thought your property was like fenced off and electrified

[tidal bronze]

Not mine.

[forest edge]

frigate dosen't catch everything especially if the object is really trucking

unless it's big

[tidal bronze]

Yep.

Changed all cameras to ALL for 30 days.

[forest edge]

all... your poor i9 is going to blow up

[tidal bronze]

NFS is going to blow up

[forest edge]

squirrel is going to fart and frigate will capture it and the ai text to your phone will say "Flatulence present"

[static schooner]

smells like...armadillo

[tidal bronze]

I think I need new cameras

[static schooner]

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/dec/22/guinness-shortages-uk-irish-reserves

Strategic Guinness Reserve

[forest edge]

was there a baby boom or something? guzzling down alcohol was already about the only thing to do over there as is

[static schooner]

I don't know what the UK has against its former colony 🙂

Guinness for All!

Draft, of course. None of those shitty cans

[shell basalt]

serving guinness in cans should be punishable with prison time

[red rock]

May I tell you about Gonster

[static schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/straight-to-jail-crime-criminal-gif-16779501

[shell basalt]

gonster? well.. guinness and guillotine do start with the same letters...

[static schooner]

This Polestar Uber I'm taking now is like a classy Tesla. Doesn't have stupid door handles, nice center screen plus instrument cluster. I like it

[shell basalt]

and no driver to have unnecessary conversations with?

[static schooner]

There's a driver, but it's quiet, just the way I like it

I hate small talk with strangers

[shy plinth]

they're nice cars, software is a bit lacking

[red rock]

I saw people at school drink this in one go

[static schooner]

That's exactly the demo that I would expect

I'm sure there's a Red Bull version, too 🙂

Also, Guinness+Jaeger

Then people grow up

[static schooner]

The center tablet has sort of a Tesla look about it. The driver did struggle pressing an icon that did nothing until he switched modes or something, so that seemed weird

[forest edge]

proof that taste buds have devolved in humans

[static schooner]

It doesn't have the Tesla 'road view' thing, but that's nonsense

[forest edge]

jack and coke was really the only acceptable mashup with syrup

[red rock]

jaeger is goated

[lone dagger]

Tech is hard.

[static schooner]

I know nothing about the software, but that UX was bad

[shy plinth]

the newest OTA adds android auto so hopefully it'll help a bit with features. there's still some occasional lag and recently had to reboot the infotainment a couple times because the LTE connection simply wouldn't work

[quiet tulip]

I purchased a second Mini PC just for Home Assistant. N100/16GB/512GB for about $150, instead of a Pi, the Home Assistant own hardware has mixed availability. Geting HAOS on it was a slight bit tricky, boot from USB Linux live disc, use disk image writer to put the image from a second UDB stick to the internal storage.
Once that was done, it's really easy. Of course, I need to set pretty much everything up again, and HAOS is a little different for add-ons, but it's great, and fast.

[forest edge]

I would suggest (at some point down the road when you feel like expanding) switching out from running HAOS primary on the system to running things in a docker. The PC is capable of handling more than just HA so may as well utilize it in my opinion

[quiet tulip]

I moved from running in a container to this, to have the supervisor etc. I can switch back if I don't think that it's the smoothest, but I'm going to give this a go. I have another computer just for containers and VMs, and it was there for a while.

[forest edge]

sheer amount of lost pets this year is sad, always seems to grow every year

this year seems a huge uptick in people losing thier dogs

[austere anchor]

Or VM so you can still run HAOS. I run Proxmox on a NUC so I can run HAOS plus another VM as a part of a Nomad cluster.

[forest edge]

docker is way more user friendly

[tidal bronze]

Docker it is!

[austere anchor]

Not for HASS.

[glacial knot]

why not?

[forest edge]

not ran across anything the supervisor provides that cannot be done just as easily outside the container

[austere anchor]

Just look at the amount of people with issues figuring out addons when running a Docker install.

Functionally, it’s just as capable. But can’t one click install addons like you can with HAOS.

[forest edge]

well...

[austere anchor]

So, I’d consider that more user friendly.

[forest edge]

that depends

casaos can

lol

not recommending that god awful thing but it can

[static schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/ian-malcolm-jurassic-park-preoccupied-gif-14303484

[forest edge]

I run it on my moms n100 because it was just designed for remote access. just don't care for how they decided to handle custom created containers vs the "store" installed ones

but there are a few docker oriented os's out there that basically makes the experience almost the same as if it were android or whatever

can't get much more user friendly than that

[austere anchor]

Yea. Agreed. That’s what HAOS does too. Also Cloudron and yunohost.

[forest edge]

I wish haos allowed installing any container you wanted regardless if it was to intergrate with ha or not

i mean it does in the sense that you know how to build a container for it.. but not simple lol

[austere anchor]

You can.

I just SSH in and run via compose.

I only do that for Promtail, but would be workable with anything

[forest edge]

I run a custom discord bot on mine so I know that process well but that is not simple lol

sorry was refering to hass

[austere anchor]

It’s just like any other Docker host. You can run anything on it with basically the same process as you would with any computer.

Yea. I’m talking about my HAOS VM.

I want to scrape those logs to my Loki server, so I installed the SSH addon and ran a compose file to deploy it.

[static schooner]

It will consider your installation unhealthy, and I thought it would disable updates

[austere anchor]

I still get updates…

[forest edge]

I just built an actual addon for my needs.. not sure the path you went

shows in addons etc

have control from within ha

[austere anchor]

I didn’t go the addon route because it needs access to /var/log to get system logs.

[forest edge]

if addons had a means of adding custom one's without jumping the hoops like it currently does so you could run true custom ones then that would be cool

with control within ha etc

[austere anchor]

What do you mean by true custom ones?

[forest edge]

it would probably make a mess tho lol

like the ability to add any docker you wanted

[austere anchor]

That is possible. The Advanced SSH addon can access Docker and run anything.

[forest edge]

thats not user friendly

[austere anchor]

You could use that to spin up Portainer.

There may even be a Portainer addon someone has built. I’d be surprised if not, actually. Seems like it’s popular.

https://community.home-assistant.io/t/home-assistant-community-add-on-portainer/68836

[forest edge]

I didn't even know that exsisted

[austere anchor]

That one is removed from the “official community repo”, but there are several other repo links in the thread.

[static schooner]

It was removed 4 years ago

[forest edge]

gives me the feeling that it will break with no ability to recover at some point

[austere anchor]

No more than any Docker machine running any Docker container.

[static schooner]

Because it there's no sanctioned use case within HAOS

[austere anchor]

Anything not curated is going to come with some risk.

[forest edge]

back to casos..

lmao

[austere anchor]

But it’s possible. Still easier and probably more stable than the alternative of running some other OS and doing manual updates and not having any addons.

I guess I’m trying to say: HAOS is the most user friendly way to run Home Assistant with addons. If you really want to go run other containers on it, that is possible. I wouldn’t recommend it though. I use two different VMs to avoid that (except for metrics extraction, which needs to be on the host).

[forest edge]

well in terms of hosting HA on a machine that is way more than HA will ever need NOT going the route of just haos and going through the container method (or VM) makes more sense to get more use out of the machine itself

and in terms of dummy proof

[grizzled gull]

Good afternoon everyone!

[forest edge]

you have to go without whatever requires the least amount of clicks lol

[austere anchor]

Agreed. I wouldn’t do bare metal on a powerful machine. Proxmox + HAOS in a VM probably give the most GUI experience.

[forest edge]

enjoying your heat wave?

[tidal bronze]

addons? 🤔

[static schooner]

Plugins

Extensions

[forest edge]

strapons

[static schooner]

@tidal bronze new Kafatek grinder out: https://www.kafatek.com/index.php/store/

[tidal bronze]

Addons for HA? hmmmm learn something new everyday

[static schooner]

Only improvement on my current kit that I'm looking for is in getting all the grounds out of the grinder, so will have to see how this one fairs

[tidal bronze]

Baller eh

[static schooner]

Just course for now, but should support the blind espresso burrs

[forest edge]

tends to happen when check on progress after being stuck in the old yaml only days

[static schooner]

It's getting a little ridiculous in price, though

[tidal bronze]

What functionality does it provide?

[tidal bronze]

Yep.

[forest edge]

magic

[tidal bronze]

Oh ok.

[forest edge]

welcome to 2024

had your head buried in that sand for quite some time. lots changed in the world

[tidal bronze]

You mean better magic than a single line docker cli LMAO

[forest edge]

the wonders of ui

it will amaze you

be like watching people from the mid 1800's seeing moving pictures for the first time

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-spongebob-squarepants-wow-mindblown-gif-13169052

[clear ferry]

Yuck gui

[light dock]

Anyone know if its recommended to "Take control" of esp devices with esphome for things like the EP1, bluetooth proxies etc since the warning states "You will lose access to vendor-provided firmware updates"

[lone dagger]

Unless you’re compiling your own code for ESPHome devices, you don’t need to take over.

BT proxies might be a little different, haven’t messed with those myself. But in general people shouldn’t need to adopt or take over the code of their pre made ESPHome devices.

[static schooner]

There's really no need to take over BT proxies. They're plug and play

[abstract swallow]

i;ve seen before a (uk based i think) website which specialises in tablet wall mounts and also ultra flat usb cables etc, but i'm damned if i can find it now. does anyone know of it?

[deft pewter]

Not UK-based but maybe you're thinking of this? I saw it shared fairly recently and bookmarked it for later. https://mbmounts.com/

[primal laurel]

You know we have #memes right

[abstract swallow]

i dont think thats the one but it looks like a good site, thank you

[fallow nova]

Has anyone used the Tuya integration lately? I ask because when I used it 1+ year ago it required a developer account for their IoT platform or something like that but it appears it does not anymore?