the-water-cooler

[forest edge]

what hardware are you using for your frigate?

my issue could also be the N100 16gb not being fast enough

[static schooner]

The same N100

Also running like 20 other things

[forest edge]

maybe it's just the remote connection then

guess i'll know for sure after I switch myself and my mother to google fiber

[placid prism]

Anyone familiar with Synology integration?

[weak musk]

#1284966582375813201 -- post your entire question there

[placid prism]

Ok I did that already

[weak musk]

Ok.

This isn't a support channel

[placid prism]

Just frustrating that it suddenly stopped working overnight

[weak musk]

and cross posting is generally frowned upon

[placid prism]

Got it

[lone dagger]

Your face is frowned upon.

[weak musk]

tell me something new.

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/frown-happy-sad-cereals-gif-14789479

[lone dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/i'm-here-to-help-michelle-khare-i'm-here-to-assist-you-gif-10747760991338166090

[devout blaze]

Is there not a 'help' channel besides threads? Is it a diff Disc?

[weak musk]

No. Just threads.

It keeps the conversations organized and helps people’s topics not get lost in a flood of messages.

[weak musk]

Make a thread. This is not a quick question.

[last cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/stranger-things-fire-flame-gif-14920648

[forest edge]

like going into an auto dealership to shop for running shoes

[dusky plank]

i don't like this. every day I don't like this.

[forest edge]

I agree i wouldn't like it not speaking english either

like wtf, is it possessed?

[atomic delta]

Not everyone in Germany is possessed.

[weak musk]

You seem to know a lot of people

😉

[glacial knot]

Good thing mstone isn't Germany

I think at least

[dusky plank]

I think numerals are universal in the languages, so this is irrelevant

[glacial knot]

一 would like to disagree

[dusky plank]

yeah; I don't care about you 😄

I just don't like to be "warned" about updates in the very same way I get notified about a potential threat (wrong login)

[glacial knot]

I know

Why would either of these be on "Einstellungen"?
Is that some apple idiocy?

[dusky plank]

because thats where they pop up, noob

well, wrong login gets shown 1 icon above, but in the same style.

so its HIGH ALERT. on every update.

I now block the badges in browser, its annoying

[forest edge]

updates pop up under settings not notifications

so I was right, your shit is possessed lol

[dusky plank]

That screenshot shows settings.

D‘oh

[forest edge]

is under notifications

[dusky plank]

Is what i said

[forest edge]

you compared it to high alert which makes no sense

since the two are diffrent lol

[dusky plank]

Bottom left is the same position i see badges. Just because its two different icons doesn‘t make it better

[forest edge]

you rather there be no number indicator of something new?

[dusky plank]

No, let me turn off badges on the settings element

[forest edge]

yea I don't see that happening lol

[dusky plank]

I care about wrong logins and want to be notified with persistent notifications there. Thats alright

But a fricken card update is very much not on the same level

[forest edge]

well you could do something special for persistent notifications and just ignore the bottom left all together..

[dusky plank]

Yeah I can also just tell my browser to ban the badge on settings

Which i now did

[forest edge]

seems kind of extreme lol

[dusky plank]

MUCH more pleasant

Its unbearable when you have 3759957 custom components

[forest edge]

you could have just removed it from the bar and put your own button on the dashboard as well

[dusky plank]

More work than what my genius brain decided to do

[forest edge]

well we're glad you are back to being happy.. all that really matters

[dusky plank]

Happy? Me? Never

This is the #rant channel

[forest edge]

next update they will put number popups on every icon on the bar, you watch

[acoustic tapir]

Is it not possible to use templates in the visibility section of a dashboard?

[clever mortar]

Almost certainly not, #1284965988642590891 would know for sure

[acoustic tapir]

ah that's a shame

maybe it will come in 2025

[forest edge]

I absolutely love that only after a few months these came out that they got hacked and are now costing other people money in terms of running tolls and speeding by cloning someone else's number.

https://reviver.com/geo-expansion/california/

[night ivy]

Ye..

[night ivy]

Tuya lights are the best

[clever mortar]

If you mean the cheapest then yes, but "best".... very far from it

[night ivy]

Why are they not the best..

[young sigil]

Their API is shit. Their colour isn't great. Their brightness isn't great. Their supported features are poor. Lifx for example even allows changing attributes before you turn them on. So you don't get blinded at night. But mostly the API thing.

[clever mortar]

The only thing they have going for them is that they're cheap - but you often don't even get what you pay for

[night ivy]

🤣

Okey but I have a discussion to make and I need somebody help, I buy the fp1e aqara présence sensor for 50 and the aqara hub for 30 or I buy the fp2e aqara presence sensor for 70

[iron granite]

That would be a #1284966353798697001 discussion.

[calm crow]

If my ZLZB-06
OTA Zigbee Coorinator is
Your current firmware revision: 20221226

Should I press
Flash Zigbee Coordinator 20240315 ?

If it isn't broke, dont touch it, right?

[night ivy]

Does home assistant also work when your not on the wifi

[clever mortar]

Well... that depends on the actual question, but mostly yes

[clever mortar]

Probably you should, in this case anyway

[night ivy]

What do you mean

[clever mortar]

Well, it depends on what you mean

when your not on the wifi

What does that actually mean?

[night ivy]

If I iant on the wifi

[clever mortar]

You, the person?

Or you, the computer you installed Home Assistant on?

Or you, the mobile phone the HA app is installed on?

[forest edge]

is this real life

[night ivy]

Mobile

[clever mortar]

Then ... yes, because the mobile app isn't Home Assistant

[clever mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/queen-queen-band-queen-music-freddie-freddie-mercury-gif-5953631978208961179

[night ivy]

So you say it works when I am not home

On the wifi

[clever mortar]

As long as the computer you installed it on is home, and running, yes

[night ivy]

Then it doesn’t work for me

[clever mortar]

Then you did something wrong

#1284966540617449515 can help

[night ivy]

What could I do wrong…

[clever mortar]

Many many things

[placid prism]

how do i restore a backup? there's only options to download it

[clever mortar]

Depends on your #1284966540617449515 method

(they can help over there)

[placid prism]

its by docker compose

[clever mortar]

Then post in #1284966540617449515

[forest edge]

convo made me think of Schrodinger's box for a bit there lol

[clever mortar]

Ayup

[night ivy]

If I switch to 4g it will not load it

[clever mortar]

Then post in #1284966540617449515

Also ||not loading HA doesn't mean HA isn't running, it just says your phone can't reach it||

[tardy tulip]

I have all zwave devices (using ZWave JS UI interface with MQTT Gateway option disabled) and zigbee devices using ZHA. is it possible that I do not have MQTT?

it seems Frigate needs me to have a MQTT set up, but I am trying to make sure I don't already have one

[clever mortar]

There's an easy answer

Have you checked to see if you've set up any MQTT integration?

[tardy tulip]

I do not have the "MQTT" integration set up

[clever mortar]

Then you do not have MQTT (in HA anyway)

[tardy tulip]

are there... things that are not working because of it?

[clever mortar]

I mean ... maybe? We don't know all the things you've got in your home.

I'd guess that nothing you've set up isn't working, or you'd have noticed

Hopefully noticed anyway

[tardy tulip]

hmm. okay. I'll set up a docker container for one and get it connected to MQTT and see what happens

[clever mortar]

Mosquitto is good

EMQX ... is overly complicated and doesn't play well with some software

[prisma raft]

Hello

Does anyone know what user Home Assistant add-ons run on when executing code?

[clever mortar]

#1284965172053807145 would know, but most likely root

Of course, some add-ons may not

[prisma raft]

Had a feeling

[clever mortar]

Do tell them which add-on and they'll be able to confirm, or not

[prisma raft]

I'm guessing we don't really have much in the way of changing which user the add-ons run on

[clever mortar]

As a user of HAOS, no, you have no control at all

If you want control use Docker

[prisma raft]

But that shouldn't be a running risk with all those containers on root?

[clever mortar]

No

[prisma raft]

Not really looking to switch deployments, just wondering

Thanks!

[clever mortar]

The whole root is a risk thing doesn't apply the same to containers

[prisma raft]

Gotcha gotcha

Thanks

[clever mortar]

There's loads of good writeups out there that explain it

[prisma raft]

Will look into that

Also out of curiosity, would it also be a problem if I used these commands so that the Unpackerr add-on could write in directories?

sudo chmod -R g=rwx /share/Media/Unsorted
sudo chmod -R o=rwx /share/Media/Unsorted

Because I feel like I went and used a nuke for a mouse

[clever mortar]

Why not sudo chmod -R 777 ...?

[prisma raft]

Heard that it's a potential security risk

But I realize that I effectively did the same thing

Should I remove the perms?

[clever mortar]

I mean, you should only give the access that's needed, not blindly to everything on the computer

It's probably not a big deal in this case, but I'd change the group to the one that has to write the files there

[prisma raft]

Since most add-ons likely use root that would be root:root right(?)

Sorry, complete noob with all of this

All the stuff I've read has only given me a vague idea of what to do

[clever mortar]

#1284965172053807145 is really the place to get help

[grizzled gull]

I second this, but I will also say if you're a complete noob I would highly suggest HAOS versus managing your own containers

[prisma raft]

Gotcha, sorry for the bother

[prisma raft]

Currently am on HAOS, just been having problems with add-ons

Thanks for all the help!

[grizzled gull]

Its not a bother, problem is this channel is not tech support, its basically just a random chat channel where discussions will get lost, if you post in Add-ons then it won't disappear when people talk

[prisma raft]

Yeah, just felt like my questions seemed more up in the air since I was more worried about the perms being overkill

[lone dagger]

Today feels like a good day.

I wonder what will fuck that up.

[midnight adder]

do you have a second to talk about the law of attraction 😄 are you looking for trouble?? 😄

https://tenor.com/view/alice-in-wonderland-disney-march-hare-youre-in-trouble-see-what-you-did-gif-14458318

[clever mortar]

People, it's always people

||and cats||

[midnight adder]

that's why I don't read Nietzsche; I still want to be able to like a few people by not knowing

[lone dagger]

I do so enjoy challenging the universe.

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/ben-solo-darth-vader-star-wars-you-called-slide-gif-16473928

[crisp oriole]

Most is expanding so fast if will never challenge you back missy

[night ivy]

What are the best smart lights?

[midnight adder]

it's not an easy question and answer. How rich are you?

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-non-pas-encore-gif-13414912587097456246

[night ivy]

Rich

[midnight adder]

Philips Hue stuff

[crisp oriole]

Philips heu

[night ivy]

😭

Thanks

So like Phillips hue is the final boss

[midnight adder]

for your bank account, yes

[crisp oriole]

Hue and zwave

I have zigee and tuya but im poor

[night ivy]

But my bankackunt is the final boss

[night ivy]

Me to I am only 15…

[grizzled gull]

But most of Hue are zigbee....

[midnight adder]

bankacunt?

[night ivy]

Acount

[midnight adder]

oh

[crisp oriole]

I mean cheap zigbee lights and swiches from aliexpress

[night ivy]

What is the difference between zwave en zigbee

[lone dagger]

The forums got an upgraded potato! https://community.home-assistant.io/t/forums-are-getting-a-new-potato/811971/29

[crisp oriole]

Like EV and diesel are both cars

[night ivy]

Ye but a Tesla and a peugout are not the same…

[crisp oriole]

They do the same. But zwave has a sticter protocol.

Everyone can make zigbee. You need some licensing to make zwave if i remember correct

[night ivy]

Laten we gewoon Nederlands praten even Hahah?

[crisp oriole]

Switch discord for that

[night ivy]

Waarvoor gebruik jij home assistant?

[crisp oriole]

Where both in the dutch domotica group.

[night ivy]

Are we?

[lone dagger]

This is an English speaking server. #the-workshop can help with zigbee/zwave differences if you need further help.

[hot ridge]

What kind of potato did the forums go from, and what is it on now?

[lone dagger]

The graphic clearly explains this. 🤭

[night ivy]

K?

[crisp oriole]

@night ivy check the #1284960456880029707 its full witj my stuff

[night ivy]

Nice

Op wat run je het?

[clever mortar]

English @night ivy

You've been reminded once already...

[lone dagger]

Rule 3. #rules message

[pearl lagoon]

Well, I got an order update on my CM5... Not the update I was hoping for. Originally supposed to ship mid December.

[static schooner]

That's quite a delay

[pearl lagoon]

Yeah... Annoyingly so

[hollow glacier]

you have 3 months to realize you should've bought a mini pc

[grizzled gull]

lol

[hollow glacier]

https://tenor.com/4yNX.gif

[grizzled gull]

Nothing worse then thinking your DNS is messed up because a page won't load... and then going to your work VPN and finding it won't load for them either lol

[primal laurel]

cancel and buy a green?

[deep spade]

https://www.lastweekinaws.com/podcast/screaming-in-the-cloud/creating-the-foundation-for-a-new-home-assistant-with-paulus-schoutsen/ ooh, Corey interviewing Paulus

[pearl lagoon]

I wanted the cm5 based device. And I wanted POE

[pearl lagoon]

Already have the orange in my hands. Guess I'm waiting

[proud mirage]

I'm planning on mounting a panel on my wall. I want the USB-C that powers it hidden in the wall. What device would I need in order to run power off the back of an outlet and then use a type C to power my panel?

[primal laurel]

#1284966353798697001

[red rock]

omg did you see Corey at github universe?

[vale dust]

Update: it's WiFi 4 💀

[hot ridge]

I didn't expect to see Corey's name show up in this chat, LOL.

[mortal walrus]

oh, right, wifi 5 was 802.11ac, given the expected hardware they probably would have been able to claim 867mbit/s or so.

(that requires 80mhz channels on 5ghz, which most people aren't able to actually achieve)

[red rock]

I didn't know him until universe

[hot ridge]

I know him personally. We worked together about 10 years ago.

[red rock]

oh cool

[red rock]

https://www.youtube.com/live/951OQEn4SN0?t=22445

[hot ridge]

LOL thats classic Corey.

[red rock]

I died laughing when he did that

[hot ridge]

There are quite a few blog posts that he wrote that are him subtweeting me

[hollow glacier]

https://tenor.com/6aj5.gif

[hot ridge]

subblogging?!

you get it 😛

[hollow glacier]

the only corey i need^

[balmy basin]

ar apps for phones?? since when?

[deft pewter]

Since years? You haven't seen those stupid carboard box things you can shove a phone into and wear on your head?

[balmy basin]

yes ive seen those, but i mean since when there are home assistant ar apps

[deft pewter]

Is that from the survey? What's the question actually asking?

[balmy basin]

"What user interface are set up to control your smart home?"

[deft pewter]

UI isn't just apps. You can fire up a browser in AR/VR and reach HA.

Seems like a valid option to me.

[balmy basin]

ah true

[deft pewter]

I wouldn't do it but I'm sure some would 😂 I want to avoid UI as much as possible and just have automations do things.

[balmy basin]

yeah, i want it the same way but i dont have many sensors to use yet :(

[deft pewter]

You can probably already detect the presence of people using the devices they carry, right? Home vs away is fairly simple, and already means you can set up stuff like turning off lights and turning down thermostats when you leave.

Have fun with what you have, then build upon it later.

[balmy basin]

thanks!

[cerulean karma]

[...] I was gonna say: Thank you, Corey for the - maybe - last time [...]

😄

[red rock]

Christina is amazing as well

[cerulean karma]

That entire interaction was gold.

[lone dagger]

Lmaoooooooooo he’s one of those personalities that rub me wrong.

I don’t discredit his reach, I just don’t like him. 🤣

The interview was great, though.

I got to review it from our side, absolutely beautiful conversation.

[cerulean karma]

From outside, where the popcorn is, it was awesome to hear!
Any indication of an epilogue or was it just glossed over?

[lone dagger]

I’m sure he’ll interview again but it’s not planned afaik.

[cerulean karma]

*epilogue for that interview, (I thought "aftermath" was too strong)

[hot ridge]

lol thats not surprising .. his brand is "snark" after all.

[lone dagger]

OH lol no, not that I know of at least. 😄

[lone dagger]

[last cedar]

If we travel to mars, and we sorted electric, would it be phase, neutral and earth, or phae neutral and mars?

[red rock]

[midnight adder]

earth2 after they detonate the a-bombs

[last cedar]

So like, next week then?

[midnight adder]

should I bring my sunglasses?

[last cedar]

Think welding googles might do the trick

[midnight adder]

https://tenor.com/view/so-pretty-beautiful-explosions-sunglasses-putin-gif-12194732

[lone dagger]

Who's gonna let me hop in their bunker?

[red rock]

smart bunker

[hot ridge]

Time for real life Silo?

[cerulean karma]

[meme] you guys have bunkers? [/meme]
-# too lazy to actually get the graphic

[ocean oar]

Normies: but how will I control my smart bunker without the internet?

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/fallout-on-prime-fallout-prime-video-bethesda-the-winning-team-gif-7654232281673469315

[primal laurel]

Give me the bunker from cloverfield lane please, I'll survive

[balmy basin]

wires, wires everywhere

[simple gazelle]

HA did its first thing to help me today. Went to grab some Christmas things and it went on way longer than I intended. Dusk automation meant I could see to use my door key when I got back 😄

[lone dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/buzz-woody-everywhere-toy-toystory-gif-14733284408652833336

[simple gazelle]

I'm still putting in all the ZBMinis and have a cheap dimmer coming, so full central light control isn't happening yet.

[balmy basin]

everything good before a kitty bites one

[balmy basin]

well thats cool, i only have one smart bulb in ha 🥲

[simple gazelle]

HA lets you do it all one step at a time.

I previously had Hue, but I hated having to do everything via app

[red rock]

oh man I am cringing so much when my mom stands in the middle of the room

oh

let me turn the lights on

And then hoping she doesnt get distracted in this 15 seconds by something else

[balmy basin]

same thing with me

"Can you turn the lights on?"
"Yeah sure wait a second minute"

[simple gazelle]

It was less bad when I was in a 1-bed flat, as I could always yell at Alexa

[red rock]

I am in a 1 bed flat and its awesome

I don't even use any switch anymore

everything is automatic

[lone dagger]

MY SPACE KEYS ARE HERE. 🌌

[red rock]

So now you have access to more... Space?

[balmy basin]

ooh they look so cool, but whats their purpose?

[ocean oar]

Ahhhhh... space keys, but not the space key 😉 👍

[lone dagger]

To be pushed?

[balmy basin]

ohh, you mean keycaps?

[lone dagger]

lol yes. 😄

[nimble kernel]

Holy crap I'm having extreme trouble connecting my nanoleaf thread network to home assistant. I want to rip my hair out.

[last cedar]

Come to Sweden, we have shelters all over

[midnight adder]

"Are you fed up with all the people? Move to Lappland"

[last cedar]

I had to stop on the road to let a moose walk over today

Bloody neighbours

[midnight adder]

I wanna pet it

[static schooner]

You should get out and push it along

You'd probably reach its knees

[last cedar]

They are pretty sketchy to pet, but I guess you already know that

[midnight adder]

I'll just hold a racoon in front of me which will negotiate the terms with the moose

[last cedar]

I am pretty sure there won't be a gif for this

[static schooner]

They do drive a hard bargain

[last cedar]

I need to write to Discord

Most things are good, but "raccoon negotiating with a moose" isn't quite hitting the spot

[static schooner]

That's where AI comes in

[night ivy]

What is the best wifi presence sensor)

[last cedar]

This will have to do

[static schooner]

Yeah, not feeling it

[midnight adder]

what's missing?

[last cedar]

Why does the left raccoon have 1 arm?!

[midnight adder]

you want it in Van Gogh style?

DaVinci blueprint?

[static schooner]

It's a raccoon demanding the moose's balls from another raccoon with the moose looking on

[midnight adder]

are you an art critic or somethin'?

[static schooner]

I'm left wanting

Somebody has to be

[last cedar]

I approve

But yeah, moose are not to be messed with

[midnight adder]

somebody cut his claws

[last cedar]

@lone dagger

Saw this, saw it was Tuya, thought of you, and didn't buy it 🤣

[last cedar]

That raccoon must be a dentist

[midnight adder]

racoon negotiating terms upfront with me

[last cedar]

🤣

[balmy basin]

were the bunkers prebuilt or did you have to assemble them first?

[static schooner]

flat pack bunkers

and do they come with meatballs?

also delivered flat-pack

[lone dagger]

GOOD

[calm crow]

Anyone have a problem with latest update for HAOS? Think ot bricked my pi..
https://discord.com/channels/330944238910963714/1318624906858074174

[weak musk]

Please don't cross post; but no, not having that issue.

[forest edge]

you could have at least bought it as an xmas gift for @lone dagger . infact I think everyone should pick out a tuya light to xmas gift

[lone dagger]

[balmy basin]

dont forget the mashed potatoes and sause

[midnight adder]

which one are good?

[forest edge]

any that cannot be converted

[midnight adder]

mustard-egg sauce?

[calm crow]

My bad

[tidal bronze]

@forest edge what 76 looks like

[forest edge]

like some overgrown dandelions?

surprised they allowed you to take that picture while on the way to jail

https://youtu.be/J9BuZqlr1zE?si=u8QvxDndLMTjivEs

[hybrid dust]

hey guys, i just wanted to check that the only help related channels are the threads i can find in the #find-support channel, right? i haven't missed anything?

[forest edge]

correct

[hybrid dust]

awesome, thanks!

[midnight adder]

I'm so glad I'm well informed now

[hazy fiber]

Probably late to the party but on the forum it says HA can't monitor CPU temp if it's run in virtual box. It can on Linux, if you configure SNMP to expose the temperatures and then get HA to poll it. Not an easy configuration but it works on my machine™
On windows, the same technique applies, but you'd use speedfan and the SNMP plugin to expose the temps

[crisp oriole]

Yes my assistant now is 112 (911) calls aware.

[solar zealot]

does it ai them

[forest edge]

so when you ask a question it asks the authorties?

[crisp oriole]

Yes ai parsing

[chrome pagoda]

hi guys, can someone point me in the right direction to report a bug regarding the device selectors?
Do they fall under Core? OS? Supervisor? Not clear to me 🙂

[night ivy]

Is had a 60 degrees

[forest edge]

at 18 bucks with the built in mqtt I would give one a try

[night ivy]

You know something about it

[forest edge]

nope

[night ivy]

But you think it is easy to interventie

Instal

[forest edge]

if you want to know if someone already has one and want feedback then post about it in #1284966353798697001

[night ivy]

You know any other precense sensors

[balmy basin]

nono the included ikea sauce for the meatballs

[clever mortar]

That too is a topic for #1284966353798697001

Though, you've already got now two topics going for that...

[night ivy]

Nobody reacts….

[clever mortar]

So?

That doesn't mean you go and post in the wrong places

That means you should maybe consider why nobody is reacting

https://community.home-assistant.io/t/how-to-help-us-help-you-or-how-to-ask-a-good-question/114371 may help you

Posting in the wrong places makes you more likely to be ignored, or given a time-out, or just banned if you persist

(also, for random ass hardware, the odds are good nobody has used it so you'll get zero responses because nobody has used it)

[clever mortar]

Also... you've had replies to almost every topic you've opened, so I call bullshit - the only one that hasn't had a reply is less than an hour old

[forest edge]

it can take a few days for responses on specific hardware cause not everyone uses the same stuff.. assuming anyone even has what you posted to begin with

certianly the first i've heard of it

[night ivy]

Is has like 60 degrees

[iron granite]

You have got enough warnings. Consider this the last one.

[night ivy]

For what?

[forest edge]

trying to stuff the foam back into the sides of a heated cat bed is most infuriating

[iron granite]

Continuing to post off-topic, even after being told to stop.

[night ivy]

What does it matter you have 130 thousand people in here and nobody chats I group with 100 people are more active

[clever mortar]

It matters because that's the rules

You don't have to like them, you don't have to agree with them. You do have to follow them

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/loop-rules-rule-loopemail-gif-18923022

[chrome pagoda]

Anyone here rocking the following device?

[clever mortar]

#1284966353798697001 can better help, and ask the question you have so that people can answer when they're around 😉

[rich sphinx]

Well, I just had a tooth fall out. Gah

[midnight adder]

the whole discord is full with information. you just have to use the search top right and try a few keywords. also add the word "mmWave" that might help. probably talked about 100 times here 😄

[night ivy]

Yess

[fathom sparrow]

As an observer to many of your topics, the main theme I see in them is that you don't want to learn the concepts. It seems like you're waiting for people to post full solutions that you can just copy/paste. You really won't get that type of help here because it invites repeat requests and people who help don't want to be on the hook for that.

[night ivy]

I understand your comment and I am saying that is 100 positive

[clever mortar]

The good news is that you can address that by being willing and open to learning 😉

Learning is a life skill that should never go away

[fathom sparrow]

Okay, then take some responsibility here and learn the basic concepts to help yourself, then when you start asking pointed questions, people will help.

Complaining about not getting help when you're expecting people to spend hours of their time making a solution for you is a bit selfish

[clever mortar]

There's also not been a lack of responses

[night ivy]

Yes but like this is the first time that I ever touch something like this I am 14 years…..

[fathom sparrow]

One thing you'll learn in life is that outside schools, you have to do everything yourself. Very few people will take the time to hand hold.

[clever mortar]

So?

Everybody here was new to it at one point

That you're 14 doesn't mean you're incapable of learning

Hell, you should be used to learning

Tackle this the same way you (should be) tackle anything - read/watch the material you're pointed at, and ask specific questions when you don't understand

Oh, and learn to search... searching (here, the forums, and the Internet at large) can find you a lot of information (and a lot of utter shite, but that's humanity for you)

[night ivy]

I did spent over 50 hours off reading and searching

[keen bridge]

At 14 I remember flashing my Eee PC with Puppy Linux and installing the drivers so I could get my USB 3G modem working on it

[clever mortar]

Yeah, I was making hardware mods to my Sinclair Spectrum at that age 😄

[keen bridge]

But I was also the kid figuring out how to install Rockbox on my iPod

[night ivy]

That why you guys are mod maybe?

What is your job?

[keen bridge]

Nope, we're mods because we can be trusted to kick out spammers and keep people from breaking the rules 😉

Mods don't work for Nabu Casa, we're volunteers

[night ivy]

🙈😅

I got a hole systeem in my room and it al works but I want to go to Philips hue and try some new things that why I qeustion so much

[clever mortar]

Asking questions is fine, that's why this server exists... but don't keep asking the same question time and time again, or ask vague questions that clearly don't have a useful answer

See the forum post I linked about asking good questions

[keen bridge]

Also, try things, and tell people what you tried when you ask for help.

[solar zealot]

did esphome rename from device compiler to device builder

[keen bridge]

Yes, a while ago

[hollow glacier]

I just redid our fucking docs with the new name with updated pictures.. wow. @weak musk it’s your fault

[solar zealot]

:(

xd

[hollow glacier]

This is the 4th change within 2 months I believe

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-bs-bullshiit-mad-angry-gif-16523112

[fathom sparrow]

Rob looks fat in that gif for some reason

[hollow glacier]

Big daddy was before the Sandler empire really took off

https://tenor.com/view/web3exposed-gif-27340450

[hollow glacier]

i was just told in the esphome discord server that it will be changing AGAIN

i give up

[solar zealot]

what the esphome doin

[primal laurel]

esphomin with the homies

[hollow glacier]

their solution is for us to run/watch dev or beta branches

@lone dagger if you have some time please look into a way to share necessary breaking changes for made for esphome developers. Even something as simple as a mailing list we can have sent to our support email would be huge versus... nothing

to expand: i am mostly concerned about documentation no longer being accurate (including needing to re-upload new images when names change) and people being confused about that. It's very clear that a lot of people are relying on our step by step documentation.

[solar zealot]

mailing list comebacks in 2025

[sturdy glade]

well hello there gentlemen... and lady.

does anyone know if you can add a second drive to HAOS to use strictly for the database(s)? ie: have HAOS and plugings and whatnot on one drive, but all the database info on another?

[mortal walrus]

that's a question for #1284966540617449515, but the short answer is no.

[sturdy glade]

or even better... database(s) and backups?

DAMN!

[mortal walrus]

I think you can move the entire 'data' to a different drive but that includes things other than databases. Folks in the support channel could be more specific.

[sturdy glade]

then followup (which probably wont be installations 🙂 )....

can i just dd the old drive to a larger drive? wiould HAOS resize the drive for full usage of space? or do i need to manually do it?

[sturdy glade]

thanks, ill head over there.

how would i inform HAOS of the data folder moving?

[clever mortar]

The #1284966540617449515 channel can help there

[hollow glacier]

i'd love a better suggestion

[clever mortar]

RSS feeds 😛

[hollow glacier]

cuz a dev telling us to hunt down breaking things and renames on github is fucking dumb

[sturdy glade]

i dont REALLY care whats on it... my original HAOS setup is on a512GB stick, but betweeen database, backups, addons gobbling up space, without pretty consistent attention, it quickly hits 0 storage space.

[sturdy glade]

chain letter?

[hollow glacier]

i figure just some thing they send out (via whatever medium people agree upon) versus just a generic breaking change post that doesnt actually even mention the rename of the addon...

[solar zealot]

they did the first time if i recall

[sturdy glade]

may i ask... what broke?

[solar zealot]

maybe this just slipped through idk

[hollow glacier]

oh cool

the actual breaking change this update: they made other components bigger and now we cant successfully compile with ble proxy code

maybe related to esp-idf fork

[lone dagger]

Acknowledging your message, but also stating that all I can do right now is share the feedback. Can’t guarantee much.

[hollow glacier]

i understand

it just feels like there is a disconnect

[lone dagger]

I get the pain, though.

[hollow glacier]

and also this happening right before xmas is bullshit yo

[lone dagger]

Feels like HA 5 years ago. 😂

[hollow glacier]

i get progress needs to happen but a moratorium on big holidays would be much appreciated even if it doesnt make sense for the majority of users :x

[lone dagger]

It’s the same release schedule they’ve had.

[hollow glacier]

for sure i just mean that now it's not just users updating

or sorry.. i mean now you have made for esphome companies (i think there are more than just us lol) which are at the mercy of esphome and hass not just users

[lone dagger]

Ah yes, valid.

[sturdy glade]

ah yes, the good old everybody work around the christians schedules because our invisible friend is more important than your invisible friend and needs to be a world event, not just a personal one..

[primal laurel]

centrifigual force frying pan. No it doesnt make any sense https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUiXrqbG2ho

[hollow glacier]

https://tenor.com/nwEdXxOVNia.gif

[sturdy glade]

i say, let the devs release updates whenever they want... it is, after all, THEIR time.

[red rock]

@celest apex

[sturdy glade]

ive got the ick? didnt know we were on a date.

but thank you for letting me know that i was at least hot enough to get far enough to give you the ick... ill take the compliment

[celest apex]

I love that I am the first person you decided to tag for this.

[red rock]

An attempt to mess up your youtube recommendations even more

😛

[lone dagger]

Dragging you into random community convos lol.

[peak slate]

Hope this fixes some of my espidf issues

Had to move to that over the Arduino platform to get ANY ota updates working on my 32s

[celest apex]

"Ah, an absolutely terrible idea that can only end in tears but will make for a great story getting there. Let's show Guy."

[red rock]

Exactly!

[iron granite]

Sounds reasonable

[primal laurel]

spinning frying pan is a great idea. Dont @ me

[peak slate]

So go back to the original tradition of lighting a tree on fire and dancing around it!

That's what we could be doing if it weren't coopted

[lone dagger]

We do the traditional log burning of the previous year’s tree for Solstice.

[red rock]

That was a banger video

[primal laurel]

now do it with oliebollen

[red rock]

LOL

[primal laurel]

we have more great ideas https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TO4oWu7QvrI

[red rock]

hehehe

[crisp oriole]

Dutch fire and fireworks.
There should be 12 steps for that.

[ember heart]

oof. hard lesson this AM. woke to my HOAS unresponsive. Dead SSD drive. I thought- "No Prob! I have a spare drive! I'll restore from backup and be back in no time. <checks backup folder on NAS> last backup: October 25th 🤦‍

seems the daily backups were going to the internal drive. 😛

so, when restore is done, first step is gdrive backup install! 😁

[hot ridge]

Good reminder for me to check my backups

[ember heart]

Weird thing is I usually use salvage hardware and I thought "this server should likely be reliable - I'll buy a new SSD for it. And thats the one that died because of course it did. ಠ_ಠ Gee THANKS Teamgroup™

[hot ridge]

LOL of course it did

[ember heart]

It has 2 years remaining on the 3 year warranty so I can get it replaced though

[hot ridge]

Well I'm sorry that happened.

[ember heart]

its part of the IT lifestyle I guess ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hot ridge]

I checked mine and my samba backups are working.

[ember heart]

I wish the tar files were preface with like HAOS_<number>.tar or somethihng.. tracking down the newest backup was kinda a pita since the backups are all <some number>.tar and I changed targets a few times

[hot ridge]

I should probably add some grafana alerts to watch the backup disk to make sure it keeps getting more backups.

Luckily samba backup does that for me. Samba_Backup_2024_12_12_05_00.tar

[primal laurel]

you have full control over how the backup is named

[ember heart]

I never looked into how it was named... I just went with whatever the default was 🤔

just seems the default should be something more descriptive than random digits...?

[primal laurel]

idk. everything important is in the meta data of the file already

[ember heart]

when doing a file search on 200Tb arrays having a pattern to match like HAOS*.tar would have been nice 😛

I am pretty sure I found the most recent backup but I am not %100 sure 😛

[primal laurel]

its your own fault for not setting the name 😂

[hot ridge]

I mean .. I assume you put your backups into a specific directory and the modified file time would tell you anyways?

[primal laurel]

just search for creation date

[ember heart]

yup. I plan to do that when I get back and running. the restore is taking a bit of time since it was a partial backup so I guess it is assembling bits and pieces from the last full+ partials..? I guess..?

also all my ESPhome things around the house are flashing at me and have been doing resets like every 15 minutes or so which has been.. fun..? O.o My xmas lights in the living room keep blinking on when the esphome controlled power strips hit their reset point

gotta do some updates on esphome for my wall switches to make them more robust in the face of a loss of HAOS I guess...

[primal laurel]

I haven't updated my esphome devices in years so now it's so outdated I can't even do OTA updates anymore

[ember heart]

I have tons of ESP32 based devices all over and do ESPhome stuff almost daily. I'm having fun making gadgets.. love the little OLEDs and sensors and sound and stuff so I play ESPhome all the time. 🙂

I wish the HAOS restore screen shows some useful data beyond the spinny ring thing.. I much prefer to see a moving set of text in a shell window

[primal laurel]

https://community.home-assistant.io/t/ha-solar-tracker/571372

this is still my best esphome project

oh shit should have been #1284960456880029707 but its too old for that

[hot ridge]

Sounds like you're hitting the reboot_timeout in ESPHome which defaults to 15 minutes.

[ember heart]

Almost certainly that.. yep. I need to look at how I might make my system more gracefully handle HAOS outage.. having all the xmas lights in the house blink every 15 minutes is annoying 😂

[hot ridge]

reboot_timeout (Optional, Time): The amount of time to wait before rebooting when no client connects to the API. This is needed because sometimes the low level ESP functions report that the ESP is connected to the network, when in fact it is not - only a full reboot fixes it. Can be disabled by setting this to 0s. Defaults to 15min.

You can just configure it to be higher or disable it

[ember heart]

@primal laurel That solar tracker is COOL! 👍🙂

[primal laurel]

was great fun to build

[ember heart]

now that its an older project, was the difference in solar production worth the hassle or was it more the fun of making it..?

[hot ridge]

What library is that graph from? it looks awesome.

[ember heart]

sheesh. restore is taking forever 😦

[hot ridge]

When I swapped from an N95 to an N200 it took like 3 hours to do the full restore. I thought it was broken a couple times and stopped it and broke it. So don't be a tecnobrat, just be patient.

[primal laurel]

doubt it was worth it, I didn't calculate the yield. It was more for fun

[primal laurel]

homewizard

[ember heart]

I have done complex projects only for the fun of it and to have the skill building and learning experience to go with it ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[primal laurel]

it's mostly for hobby. But personal projects are a great way to develop your skills without having any financial or time pressure

[glacial knot]

wdym you don't spend €€€ on your personal projects?

[ember heart]

bleh. funny thing is I moved HAOS from a VM on my unRAID box to bare-metal install on a Dell 3070 micro PC and put it in the bedroom closet so it would be more robust and survivie in the event the unraid was busy or the array failed.. then the single SSD in the 3070 died.. so if I had kept it on my VM on the unRAID box it would have stayed up 🤔

[primal laurel]

relatively speaking its nothing

[hot ridge]

I run a bunch of esp32 BT proxies and a couple voice assistant projects I built myself....

I also have a esp32 rfid card reader that I built.

[ember heart]

(I spend ridiculous amounts of money on "tech toys" as my SO refers to them) 😁

[hot ridge]

yea, me too.

[glacial knot]

I think I'm spending more ratio of my wealth on personal stuff than of the market cap at work

[ember heart]

she likes to knit and buys lots of expensive yarn, so she calls filament for my 3d printer "plarn" 😁😂🤣

(plastic-yarn)

[glacial knot]

I should crotchet again... I still got a bunch of yarn and plushy stuffing

[ember heart]

I have to admit I won the lotto w/my SO.. she is tech as well- has Microsoft certifications and admins systems at work as well as at home so very knowledgeable and interested in the tech working well.. not at all upset when systems die as she knows how they work and whats involved.. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

I wish I had noted when I started the restore running. I don't remember howlong its been going now

suppose I could get t he timestamp from my first post on this thread 😄

ok, 9:49am was about the start then

its 10:22 now .. restore is taking its sweet time

[glacial knot]

what are you restoring? trying to find files that got deleted?

[ember heart]

my HAOS bare metal install on my mini PC had an SSD failure last night. I put HAOS on a new SSD and installed that in the machine and then started a reastore.

[glacial knot]

ohh

[ember heart]

sadly, the most recent was from mid october 😦

[hot ridge]

My SO is very not technical. We are opposites in that way.

Tech is basically my life, lol.

She always finds a time to try to use home automation stuff exactly when I am doing maintenance on it.

[glacial knot]

I'm in the process (but being veeeery slow) of migrating my systems onto a fresh cluster

wdym you have donwtimes longer than a minute or so?

[ember heart]

@hot ridge - my wife complains when she has to travel. says she misses all the automations when she is in hotel rooms! 😄

weird thing is the failure state of HAOS I had last night when the drive failed. the UI was still kinda responsive and the unit still replied to pings so it would have been difficult to determine it was actually down

the API was still replying to the ESPhome stuff too

[glacial knot]

yea, disks arent' super necessary for ongoing operations

[hot ridge]

well there is an issue with the prometheus integration we debugged this week where when entities go from unavailable / available (like reloading integrations, restarting etc) it caused a 100% CPU deadlock for about 5 minutes (dependign on how many entities), which caused everything to take a lot longer than it should have 😛

[hot ridge]

lol your wife and me both.

[glacial knot]

hates hotels

I'm jsut way too used to my own place

OTOH, I'm using a shared room tomorrow because I refuse to spend more than 20€ on a bed

[hot ridge]

that being said, the hotel I was just at in Austin had multi-switch panels at the door, at the bed, and in the bathroom, so you could control all of the lights from any of those places.

[glacial knot]

needing to control your lights

though I need to optimize my rules for the kitchen at some point

[ember heart]

I had an unintended automation issue I had to figure out recently about "unavailable". I have an automation that uses zones to automate my coming home from work routine. So, its like 2am, I'm in bed reading and my system suddenly blares through the speakers:

"LordOfLevels has Entered the HOME zone! Turning on Lights! Disarming Alarm! Opening garage door! Unlocking the entrance door!"

I'm like .. WTF?! I am already home! How did I enter the home zone? Turns out my cell phone had applied an update and restarted- and, when it did, it seems HAOS determined I had "entered" the home zone when the phone woke up and reported its position! 🤦‍

[static schooner]

Good thing the hounds weren't released!

[glacial knot]

oh yea, phone based automations are dangerous

[ember heart]

its amazing how much more complex automations can become when you try to add safety features for edge conditions

<BLINK go the xmas lights 🤦‍ >

[glacial knot]

you don't say

[ember heart]

le sigh.. I really didn't need to be playing backup/restore this AM.. I had other plans 😦

I am making a bunch of xmas gifts for my family - I am making 3d printed desk pets 🙂 they have ESP32's and OLED displays and sensors..

I have them setup to operate mostly offline... and I need to get the firmware setup so they come up with an AP to allow you to connect to wifi then they pull time from SNTP server

I have that mostly working..

I think

[hot ridge]

I had a similar situation, my automation trigger was when its state changed to home. But it could change from any state.

It was changing from unavailable -> Home. I made it so the automation only triggered when it went from Away -> Home, not Unavailable -> Home.

[glacial knot]

NTP

[hollow glacier]

it likely silently failed, such as due to trying to restore to a backup on a different supervisor version

sadly the gui just acts like it's not failed when it has and it has been that way for a long time

i have an open issue on it

[hot ridge]

I made a WTH for that too 🙂

[ember heart]

well.. crap. 😦 how do I know..? if it isn't really restoring?

[hollow glacier]

open it in a new browser tab

if it looks like it's ready to restore, it silently failed yo

also there's a way to see the error i forget tho

[hot ridge]

You'll wanna check the logs, which you can do via the HA cli if you have a monitor/keyboard connected.

[hollow glacier]

if you have to touch HaOS CLI you're doing it wrong

#notevenonce

[hot ridge]

Network tab of your browser when you start the restore, it will return a 400, the payload on the response will give you an error.

[glacial knot]

ouchy

[ember heart]

well. crap. looks like it didn't restore. I do have a mouse/key/monitor hooked up though.. what do I look for to fix this? or see how it failed?

[hot ridge]

And vote up the WTH I made about it https://community.home-assistant.io/t/wth-does-trying-to-restore-from-a-different-version-of-ha-fail-in-a-silent-way/803412/1

When I ran into that it actually auto-upgraded the supervisor, not sure why / how, but I had to give it time before I started the restore. But also needed to make sure it had network access. Not sure if this is normal or what triggered it.

Alternatively you can trigger the supervisor upgrade via the cli.

[hollow glacier]

https://github.com/home-assistant/operating-system/issues/3609

[red rock]

https://twittpr.com/SChecoPerez/status/1869428340425404705

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/hallelujah-thank-god-tg-t-god-thank-goodness-gif-5711499

[hollow glacier]

silly eu bois and their f1

[primal laurel]

US is the fastest growing market for F1

[hollow glacier]

we already have plenty of stats on why the majority of americans are stupid

[primal laurel]

F1 is a great tool to make kids excited about engineering

[lone dagger]

I got super into engineering by getting my degree in mechanics. I went to school for it because it was free and I was bored.

Turns out I am just really good at that shit.

[primal laurel]

why didn't you continue working in engineering?

[lone dagger]

The real answer? Sexism.

I don't tolerate being treated as lesser well.

So....I tend to butt heads with others who like treating some as lesser. 😄

[warm helm]

We only know how to turn left. those right turns really throw us for a loop

[hollow glacier]

what is this? healthcare for ants?

[hot ridge]

I'm hoping my new LG washer / dryer have all of the smart features I want and I don't need to use my power monitor, vibration sensors and door sensors to track when the laundry is going .. lol

It arrives today and then I get to play with it

I should say it arrives any time in the next hour.

And now the fiber optic installer just came and blocked my driveway.

Its gonna be one of those days... hahahaha

[fathom sparrow]

Do I have some news for you

My rents don't have HA but they do have an LG... it provides notifications, however I've had to repair it with wifi about 83947938247298349843729847 fucking times

which requires a factory reset, i.e. you have to unplug it from the wall

[hot ridge]

Oh that happened with my LG dishwasher too... I fixed it by connecting it to a 2.4ghz only network ... 5ghz being available seemed to make it .. well .. go a little wonky.

But now I have a separate SSID that is 2.4ghz only for my IOT stuff.

So hopefully I don't have that issue here! 🙂

[primal laurel]

isn't the power monitor enough?

[hollow glacier]

i just got fancy new lg washer and dryer it's all cloud connected shit but there's a nice hacs integration with a ton of features

then there's the new integration LG made which has very little features and also breaks often

[hot ridge]

To know when the washer is running, yep. Then I use the door sensors to know if its been opened / emptied, and then since the dryer is 240v and I don't have a power monitor for that .. I use a vibration sensor instead.

So the power + door and vibration + door allows me to know if I've moved over the laundry or not and nag me until I do.

[hot ridge]

Yea, while I obviously prefer local to cloud .. I'm also not anti-cloud. To me all I care is that it works well. If I don't have internet, I likely don't have power to run my washing machine anyways, heh.

[hollow glacier]

maybe you should be anti cloud

[primal laurel]

honestly fuck the cloud

name 1 good reason why a washing machine should have a cloud connection

[weak musk]

How do you expect your sheets to get soft like a....cloud without it?

https://tenor.com/view/think-about-it-use-your-brain-use-the-brain-think-brain-gif-7914082

[hot ridge]

For customers? I can't.

For vendors? I can name about 100 reasons they do it. All of them are anti-competition/anti-open and "our stuff works perfect together, buy only our stuff"

[fathom sparrow]

people want notifications on their phone, home or away. Regardless how you look at that, that means it needs cloud at some point.

I am OK with cloud when I set up my parents & relatives things, but not myself

[hot ridge]

And for vendors, getting the information into their control as soon as possible, allows them to optimize for those sorts of things.

[fathom sparrow]

mainly because I can support it from a distance and they get their notifications

And regardless what anyone says, most of the cloud based solutions are super easy. Which is really appealing for non-tech-heads

[primal laurel]

ok but then we have to differentiate between cloud connectivity and controllability. I don't mind a 'connection' to the cloud but I do mind a cloud dependency

[hot ridge]

Also, I could not pay nabu casa and roll my own everything. Thats "cloud" too.

But .. its super easy to just use, and support the project.

But I could totally do without it if I wanted.

[clever mortar]

See the difference between Nabu Casa's Google Home/Alexa integration and doing that manually 😛

[fathom sparrow]

I spent like a whole weekend doing alexa smart home skill way back in 2017

or maybe that was 2018

[hot ridge]

LOL I remember going to re:invent and they handed me an IoT button and I immediately lost 3 weeks of my life...

[fathom sparrow]

regardless, it took all weekend to get it working

[primal laurel]

yeah but it doesnt depend on the cloud. If you're local you don't need NC to connect. That's different from some of the smart home stuff you see nowadays that simply wont work without a cloud connection, that's what im against

[hot ridge]

It absolutely does.

[weak musk]

My american friends, we've eradicated the so called "murder hornet" in the US. 🫡

[fathom sparrow]

we did?

noice

[weak musk]

https://www.theverge.com/2024/12/18/24324411/so-long-murder-hornet

[fathom sparrow]

fuck those things

[hot ridge]

Did you just buy a bunch of fans, connect them to HA and blow all of the hornets up to Canada?

[fathom sparrow]

at least we get something right every now and then

[weak musk]

Fans?! Sounds like wind power, ya commie!

-# jk, really

[hot ridge]

In Canada, the northern giant hornet was first discovered in the Nanaimo, BC, region in September 2019.

thats way too close to me, lol

[hollow glacier]

maybe it's like a virus where it just changed its name to murder horny so now it wont be detected anymore

at least i think that's how it works

[weak musk]

at least the shots come built in with this virus

https://tenor.com/view/finger-guns-gif-25457146

[tidal bronze]

Anyone running wled on large outdoor trees? Regular trees not Xmas trees

[hot ridge]

I have a giant pine in my yard I've always wanted to do that to but never did, does that count?

[weak musk]

Like these??

[tidal bronze]

That would be a straight run I would assume?

[tidal bronze]

That's simple.

[crisp oriole]

To give it social media accounts. https://geekdom.social/@setaggi

[hot ridge]

I would do it to this tree, which is like 25ft tall .. but .. I am too lazy.

[tidal bronze]

I am looking for ideas on different outputs per branch kinda setup but depending on effect a scan to work as a single. As in scan start off the trunk and fans out with branches. But connected to different GPIOs

[tidal bronze]

Nice, this would be single run

[hot ridge]

Thats a super interesting idea!

[weak musk]

Wouldn't that be achievable just by defining each as a different segment? (All of my stuff is on one GPIO so I'm genuinely asking)

[tidal bronze]

I am hoping "Custom bus start indices:" would work but wondering if someone already tested it out.

[tidal bronze]

Not really, segments need custom start addresses

[weak musk]

ah

[tidal bronze]

Let's say trunk is 50 and each branch is 50. 1 branch would work fine since start address is 50. Second branch also must start at 50 for fan to work

[hot ridge]

Is there a quick way to delete devices besides going in one by one and deleteing them using the ... on the device page?

Doesn't look like there is a way to do it by multi-select on the device listing page?

(You can do it with entities)

[brave scarab]

Just got this message... seems like quite a long wait!

[tidal bronze]

Carefully!

[static schooner]

Is -4712 in the past? Or in reference to the date of significance to the Flying Spaghetti Monster?

[hot ridge]

That date seems familiar...

[static schooner]

(It's amusing that iOS automatically capitalizes FSM like that :))

[balmy basin]

use codeium, its free

[balmy basin]

hmmmm

[hot ridge]

Following Herschel's lead astronomers adopted this system and took noon GMT -4712-01-01 J (January 1st, 4713 B.C.) as their zero point.

I knew I knew it....

[static schooner]

Interesting, never heard of that

[hot ridge]

Its an Oracle thing, the date of 0 is -4712 to match with

Its weird when you're been in software engineering for so long that certain things just remind you that you've seen it before but you have no idea where from

[static schooner]

The Julian day is a continuous count of days from the beginning of the Julian period; it is used primarily by astronomers, and in software for easily calculating elapsed days between two events (e.g. food production date and sell by date).

But is it really?

[hot ridge]

Like the classic millisecond or seconds for days/weeks/years, etc .. those numbers are implanted in your brain.

[static schooner]

Everything I encounter uses epoch time

And things before 1970 don't exist and don't matter 🙂

[hot ridge]

or are just negative epoch

[static schooner]

I never seen it used that way, but I suppose it could

[hot ridge]

well .. until the Epochalypse that is... or negative Epochalypse

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2038_problem

[deft pewter]

Thanks for reminding me that I need to retire by 2038. I don't wanna deal with that.

[lone dagger]

You get to retire?

[balmy basin]

history repeats itself ig

[unkempt rune]

Someone at the water cooler open to help me identify a inductor value?

[static schooner]

More of #the-workshop thing

[unkempt rune]

Thanks

[forest edge]

what the hell do you call a regular tree?

[tidal bronze]

Large oak tree.

It must be alien for middle earth but they do exist

[forest edge]

you are looking to do this?

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6c/89/e6/6c89e686acb8bbd967d285c1010a2af5.jpg

[lone dagger]

[forest edge]

i've helped lined one when I was kid of dumb lights.. that's a lot of work lol

[ocean oar]

Half the pain seems to be in finding sturdy strings of lights that don't have thin PVC insulation that degrades after a year or two (or stretches and snaps the wire) and kills the entire string. Nothing like a repeat visit when they're 5 metres up a tree.

[crisp oriole]

Lol i posted my ai live feed response to a dutch facebook group and reddit the reactions are amazingly diffrent.

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-evil-i-dont-speak-freaky-deaky-gif-7608808

[tidal bronze]

Yes with wled

[forest edge]

00f, you hiring a crew to install it?

[tidal bronze]

Yes

Lucky me 24V and Ethernet drops

[forest edge]

you would have to have a controller for each branch with power injection at the end, maybe even in the middle as well

[night ivy]

Somebody got some advice for a gu10 light

[forest edge]

most people who do that, don't take those lights down

they make repair work as needed but they do not ever remove them

[tidal bronze]

That's what I am thinking too.

[forest edge]

yea but adressable leds that's a crap ton

[tidal bronze]

I am thinking 3000

[forest edge]

per branch?

[tidal bronze]

4 inch spacing

Got 10k from China. Let's see how goes

[forest edge]

I forsee a fireball

I hope you don't have squirrels

[weak musk]

They will in, get this, #1284966353798697001

[iron granite]

Rly?

[weak musk]

??

[iron granite]

After all those warnings, they still post that stuff here. I think, I will have to begin educational measures.

[weak musk]

Got it haha I thought you were directing your scorn at me 😂

[balmy basin]

why water cooler? why not general or smth?

[lone dagger]

Because it was general before. And this isn't a general place. It's a gathering place.

[solar zealot]

we watch water cool down here

and occasional raccoons

[lone dagger]

like reverse watching water boil

dunno if it's any better or worse tbh

https://tenor.com/view/it-we-float-stephen-king-gif-9720105

[atomic delta]

Could always be worse. I'm watching you lot because I left my headlights on and drained my battery, and now I'm waiting on a jump start.

[weak musk]

https://tenor.com/view/awake-wake-up-morning-bill-murray-groundhog-day-gif-16623889092220929205

[balmy basin]

very interesting indeed

[forest edge]

time to sell that 80's vehicle

[lone dagger]

OH NOOOOOOOOOOOO

Want to see something stupid I have set up to distract you???

[forest edge]

incoming more tuya stuff...

[lone dagger]

Hahahahahah no way more chaos gremlin than that.

[atomic delta]

2003. Apparently the feature that turns off the lights when you leave them on only works when you're not sitting in the driver seat.

[atomic delta]

Absolutely

[lone dagger]

I give literally no fucks about profiles and where they are supposed to go on the keyboard.

[iron granite]

You got enough warnings and I told you, that mine would be the last one. As you keep disrespecting our rules, it is time for a lesson. Actions have consequences. Now you get a 24h time-out to think about the advantages of generally sticking to the rules. In 24h we will see, if that helped. If not, we will try the next lesson.

[lone dagger]

(These are absolutely supposed to be top row profiles.)

[atomic delta]

Lol

[lone dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/evil-laugh-gif-20076210

[atomic delta]

I used some contoured WASD keycaps to replace random ones I lost at one point.

[austere anchor]

Jellykey?

[atomic delta]

It looked creative.

[forest edge]

you replaced your spacebar with 4 keys that insure that no matter what you accidently add additional spaces?

and now we know why so many bugs in coding exsist

[primal laurel]

im curious what your fingers look like

[atomic delta]

She prefers four spaces per indent. Just roll your fingers over 'em.

[ocean oar]

Pretty sure the keyboard I'm using right now cost less than one of Missy's keycaps there.

Not something I've ever personally felt the need to spend money on

[atomic delta]

I don't spend on key caps, but I absolutely spend on keyboard. I'm a mechanical cherry brown guy. Tactile non-clicky.

[lone dagger]

No, that's not where my space bar is.

[lone dagger]

No, but they are custom resin keys. Got them off Etsy.

[lone dagger]

Want to see how I hold my hands on my keyboard or like...my hands. Because I can provide either.

[tidal bronze]

Fancy. All that typing

[lone dagger]

It's all I do!

https://tenor.com/view/cat-crazy-cat-keyboard-cat-fast-gif-5753018

[tidal bronze]

Hopefully you don't disturb the peace with nails banging on that resin.

[lone dagger]

I have clicky clacky keys, the nails are the least of the problem regarding noise.

I am that person everyone hates in an office.

[tidal bronze]

See...... lol

[lone dagger]

That's fine, though. I am living my best life.

Tactile pleasures.

[tidal bronze]

Ah huh

[lone dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/feels-good-man-nicolas-cage-gif-5444501

[static schooner]

I always felt like I was typing faster and writing better code on a clicky keyboard

[weak musk]

Dude… you work at home. What does that say?!

[lone dagger]

That my family finds me obnoxious.

[weak musk]

😂

[lone dagger]

And that I don't care.

[tidal bronze]

Insensitive

[lone dagger]

I have been testing out the space keys on that bottom row because I only have 8 and it won't fit all the numbers on the top row, which bothers me. I like that I can kind of rest my left thumb on them, but I also keep accidentally switching my key map when I do CMD+V.

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/panda-rage-keyboard-smash-gif-12886788

[tidal bronze]

I run when my PA open her laptop. I feel for people at Missy's home

[fading flume]

Has anyone heard of CLEVAST or have any idea if there is a way to make this smart thermostat work with HA?
https://clevast.com/collections/smart-products/products/clevast-smart-thermostat-for-house-programmable-wifi-thermostats-for-home-digital-thermostat-compatible-with-alexa-and-google-assistant-diy-install-with-c-wire-adapter-white

[weak musk]

#1284966353798697001

[forest edge]

no heating only systems.. trash

[tidal bronze]

It works with "only system" can't be trash

[forest edge]

says wifi then says BT.. which is it lol

[lone dagger]

[ocean oar]

Also holy URL batman. I didn't think cramming that much crap into the URL was even a valid technique for search visibility these days

[fading flume]

who needs a full page when you can just read the URL

[tidal bronze]

AKA amazon listings

[ocean oar]

I had a good chuckle at this category being called "Electric tool for home"

https://clevast.com/collections/electric-tool-for-home

[lone dagger]

I, too, am an Electric Tool for Home.

[tidal bronze]

LMAO

[forest edge]

umm

[tidal bronze]

Oh boy. I am dying here.

[lone dagger]

Take that however you want.

[forest edge]

such a dirty mind lol

[tidal bronze]

She said it.

[lone dagger]

That I did.

Because it was funny.

[crisp oriole]

A dirty mind is a joy forever

[primal laurel]

Is thata scam?

[ocean oar]

Just looks like slap-your-logo-on-alibaba-crap products to me

[primal laurel]

Vague product descriptions do my alarm bells ringing immediately

Especially when it's about 'green tech'

[ocean oar]

TTC on youtube did a roundup of cheap amazon "air duster" blowers recently: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gkmx3GtLcs
Some of them are passable, most are crap

[forest edge]

yea the passable ones are expensive

like wtf

a small air comp is cheaper

[ocean oar]

Personally, I believe for cleaning electronics you should always default to sucking, rather than blowing (giggity).
This is why I was extremely happy to purchase an ESD-safe vacuum for $1.50 on our local ebay-analogue last weekend.

[crisp oriole]

Martini. Sucked not blown.

[ocean oar]

Hilarious thing is aside from a minor difference in motor power, it is identical to the one we own at work which is a quarter century newer 😄 (one I got was built in 1994, work's one 2018)

Clearly that design has stood the test of time

[forest edge]

@tidal bronzewhat lights did you buy for your tree project?

[tidal bronze]

2811 24V

Feel like lamb chops today.

[forest edge]

the pixels or strips?

[tidal bronze]

pixels

[forest edge]

been thinking of replacing my gutter c9's with addressable ones but so far not finding a company that makes them more water proof

[tidal bronze]

Do the gutter with pixels.

[forest edge]

well they are but they are in a casing with a c9 cap that makes them look more traditional which is what I want

don't want some dumb small bulb on my gutters lol

[tidal bronze]

Too much spacing on c9

[forest edge]

i'm fine with that

my current are 12" spacing

[tidal bronze]

Oh you like that ol skool shit

[forest edge]

yea

looks more like christmas

[tidal bronze]

Then don't use pixels at all.

[forest edge]

downside is the casing they use to encase the pixels appaer to not be very water proof and once water gets into the clear bulb and freeze that thing cracks

not even sure if you can even replace those

but dumb they aren't more water proof to begin with

https://www.superlightingled.com/ws2811-dc12v-c9-addressable-f8rgb-led-pixel-module-40pcsstring-waterproof-ip68-led-string-light-p-3680.html

[tidal bronze]

You are mounting them ok the edge right not inside the gutter 🙂

[forest edge]

i got gutter clips i use

my current c9 sit upright so in that sense water getting in is harder but still

[tidal bronze]

Oh boy, and you expected them to be waterproof? LMAO

[forest edge]

why shouldn't they be?

[tidal bronze]

Looks like something from that dollar store

[forest edge]

person named HandyDadTV on YT that has some and he shows what water getting in them is like

I really don't want to deal with that lol

the actul pixels are waterproof.. that isn't the issue

just the casing that make them look like traditional c9's isn't

I think these are the one's that person from YT has https://www.aliexpress.us/item/2255799893798772.html?gatewayAdapt=glo2usa4itemAdapt

how they have not made these able to be screw on for easy replacing by now is beyond me

[unborn merlin]

because they're rgb leds? 🤔

[forest edge]

so what

[unborn merlin]

if I had to guess probably vampire-tapped into the wires

those sorts of taps are one-and-done

[forest edge]

you don't think they can't make a connector for 3 lines?

[unborn merlin]

you don't get to remove from wires repeatedly and keep integrity.

[forest edge]

they can make a base with with the connectiosn then make a bulb that snaps ir or twist locks that lines up those connections

nothing keeping them from doing that

[unborn merlin]

money.

money does

[forest edge]

always money

[unborn merlin]

This is literally all aliexpress repackaged junk.

🤣

[ocean oar]

Black... diffuser?

[tidal bronze]

https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=688591797647

[unborn merlin]

but also.. realistically

these really shouldn't die anytime soon

LEDs with a decent power supply just.. tend to chug on and not care

[forest edge]

what am i suppose to learn from this? lol

that is what i see

no specifications or item details or anything

[tidal bronze]

BTF makes that $6 for 5m 25 bulbs

[forest edge]

downside is the bulb shape

that was obviously not designed for xmas

[tidal bronze]

I will have to find out the chinese slang for c9

[forest edge]

on ali they just call them c9

[unborn merlin]

hey look found where they got em probably.. 🤣

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256804108578953.html?gQT=0&gatewayAdapt=glo2usa4itemAdapt

[forest edge]

that's the other style. S7 or something. i need the long base

and I think it's the same company as the one's i posted earlier

that make them

[unborn merlin]

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256805959527655.html?gatewayAdapt=glo2usa4itemAdapt ? 😄

[tidal bronze]

Ali - outward facing sellers that buy from tmall and taobao. Internal stores and sellers don't give about what the world calls.

[forest edge]

when you google it.. they all refer to them as C9

[tidal bronze]

here's c9 for you

[forest edge]

try c9 bulb

c9 light

c9 xmas

[forest edge]

well the bottom right looks right lol

[tidal bronze]

LMAO

[lone dagger]

Quality image right there.

I bet it looks exactly like that in real life!

[forest edge]

I cannot help they struggle with western christmas lol

[forest edge]

guess the brand... you know it..

[lone dagger]

You don't need to understand western Christmas in order to do poorly edited images of your outdoor lighting product.

[tidal bronze]

Forget your C9 get the 'G's

[forest edge]

the bottom one's look neat but would be a complete waste attached to a gutter 30ftish off the ground lol

[lone dagger]

[forest edge]

here we go.. why can't they make these be able to be wled controlled lol https://www.holidynamics.com/dynamic-rgb-transparent-faceted-c9-bulb

crazy how things can be controlled over voltage

[tidal bronze]

Becuase the c9 market died in 1979

[forest edge]

hogwash

@tidal bronzecan't even trust your squirrels!

https://youtu.be/hvul3dkzDrk?si=kbUvsCJKoXWu88CD

that is crazy

once all the voles are gone they gonna start hunting LAers next

[lone dagger]

Sometimes you reread a sign up page you've used before and see something new that you don't remember checking when you signed up...

(I'm sure I just forgot this was there, lol.)

[unborn merlin]

you're going to jail, clearly underage.

I'm reminded of an old house MD episode I dont remember which one

[forest edge]

submit the photo of that keyboard as proof

[unborn merlin]

where he's on a porn site and it has that "enter your age" thing and he responds "Hah, even a 17 year old can figure this one out."

[lone dagger]

I am regretting the placement choices right now after some feeling it out...

[forest edge]

lol

[lone dagger]

Trying to type up this guide and one of them is my ' and it's just so awkward trying to tap on the bottom row with these very obviously top row profile keys.

[forest edge]

guide of what not to do?

learn from my mistakes!

[primal laurel]

Love that show. Would never air now because people have become so sensitive

[unborn merlin]

people can re-watch it at any time it wants.

And I don't recall it doing anything that egregious.

[primal laurel]

Really? Are you sure you watched it lol

[crisp oriole]

now the right channel. i can ask google about some news item. and i can send the url to my android tv

[weak musk]

I'm actually rewatching the entire series now, it's pretty bad.

[unborn merlin]

🤷‍♂️ maybe I just dont remember much of it

or my perspective has been shifted by the whole "Oh right, we elected a facist and nazis are all over twitter openly." stuff.

I hate reality. 🙃

[weak musk]

I mean it works because the entire premise of the show is that this guy is an asshole. Which only works if, you know, he actually is.

[unborn merlin]

I mean yes, he is a tremendous dick and all that.

and not much of that show is accurate

.. except I suppose how free they are with the narcotics in the early seasons.

That checks out for late-90's early 2000's in the usa after all.

https://tenor.com/view/he-hehe-hehehehehe-hehehe-gif-8574661202769909703

[static schooner]

I'm still confused when I see Hugh Laurie in some other context and he has a clear British accent

[static schooner]

I think it's partially because his character is peak American cowboy bravado

[crisp oriole]

Oh i bet i can voice control urls on my android tv. Like next or previous page.

Now im going to bed

[lone dagger]

No no, a guide on how to so no one has my pain.

[crisp oriole]

I need to make a sensor with my current url on the tv to make it work good i guess.
But the cli commands reading a webpage to text and getting all the links is made

[unborn merlin]

a guide that says put those keys back where they belong? 😛

[atomic delta]

You just made me realize there's potential for a HA InputStick plugin.

Well, integration?

[forest edge]

damn germans

https://youtube.com/shorts/3XJleWg8d3U?si=WozSfg13Qok1LDZT

[atomic delta]

Script target. :P

[forest edge]

bye tplink.. was nice knowing ya

[unborn merlin]

considering their security record.

Its not losing much. 😄

[atomic delta]

I have a couple tp-link switches, because 24-port switches ain't cheap from respectable brands. Those work fine. Never liked their routers though.

[urban wadi]

@calm wind Where has your tgtg notification yaml gone? I can only find an older one without the "Nah" action button. 😬

[calm wind]

I don't use it anymore

So it's removed from my config

[urban wadi]

Their tapo cameras are cheap and awesome and they've just added a switch to their apps to enable local control.

Ah. Do you have a copy of it somewhere? Or maybe I should attempt a simple solution to only get notified if boxes go from 0 to X. EDIT: Nevermind. I did the simple solution. 🙂

[crisp oriole]

You what?

[atomic delta]

InputStick. It's a USB dongle that connects to (normally) phones via Bluetooth and acts as a keyboard/mouse/gamepad/etc proxy. I have one to use with keepass2android for password entry on devices where entering long and complex ones is tricky, like TVs and game consoles. You made me realize there's also the potential for an integration to make use of one for scripted keypresses/text entry/mouse movements/etc. Not sure I specifically have a use case, but I could see using it to automate menus that aren't properly exposed on a smart TV, for instance.

[crisp oriole]

ah.

[atomic delta]

Of course, I lack the knowledge to produce such an integration myself at this time, so it's mostly me musing on what could be.

[crisp oriole]

I gona remember the url i send to the tv. parse the url with node to get the links. open the url of the name of the link

omg i must have like 50 shell commands on my home assistant system

[young sigil]

There's already a core integration https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/keyboard_remote/

[crisp oriole]

there are no keys. in a browser window

[young sigil]

Don't suppose HA will care if it is a physically connected kbd or one connected wirelessly via your stick.

[forest edge]

I sent this to the google ai thing

and got this back