Yeah that is growing now
#the-water-cooler
clear ferry
And we just released out own hypervisor
So hopefully we will have a lot of VMware business come over to our private cloud
glacial knot
ah yes, the broadcom move
last cedar
@lone dagger The suspense is killing me, did you get your bloody lights working? π€£
crisp oriole
I bet she sleeps
last cedar
It is ok, I thought I would get my tag in early
forest edge
real shame there isn't a zigbee version like the shelly uni
clear ferry
That is just a $1 esp device with the connectors already available
Isn't hard to make
forest edge
I don't want to make
last cedar
No one does
but sometimes you have to just get of your horse and drink your milk
No one wants to love raccoons, but some of us make the sacrifice
forest edge
dont want clamps either and most of the power metering zigbee stuff uses clamps
last cedar
I guess it depends what you want, measuring large currents through anything else than clamps can be "fun"
But for stuff like "how much power is my washing machine using" I can absolutely see not using a clamp for just that circuit
forest edge
trying to find a neat little package that can run off a 12v battery while showing it's state
last cedar
I was looking at an emporia vue 3 with 16 clamps, personally, but all my big loads are all on seperate circuits on my board (we re ran the whole house electric)
We do have 3 phase though, so that is why I wanted the 16 clamp one
last cedar
That is just a $1 esp device with the connectors already available
The ESP itself is cheap, but the boards that you connect 6, and then piggyback onto, are not
Or am I being silly and you know of something better?
clear ferry
You mean multiplexers?
last cedar
I mean the PCB that the esp sits into with the 3.5mm jacks that the clamps connect to (so if that is a multiplexer, yes!)
Those badboys
3 of those would be 180 dollars, plus postage and import duty, and you are way over what an emporia vue costs with the clamps
forest edge
zigbee relays that can run off 12v for days but not a single energy meter lol
last cedar
zigbee relays that can run off 12v for days but not a single energy meter lol
Make your own, patent it and watch the money roll in
forest edge
don't think atx would buy enough to make me rich
last cedar
you underestimate how much power his new mega mansion uses
last cedar
I heard they have to start a new reactor to cope with his demand
last cedar
https://www.cnx-software.com/2024/01/07/esphome-smart-powermeter-6-ct-clamps/?am...
This looks good, although I would need more than 6 clamps
forest edge
its got a screen
clear ferry
Also, I don't need clamps, all Norwegian houses have smart meters, so I just plug in an esp to the rj45 port that gives it power too
forest edge
that won't be cheap
last cedar
its got a screen
You can probably play doom on it
clear ferry
$61 it said
forest edge
house is going to look like a street intersection in Brazil
clear ferry
Or 30 channel
I just found this on AliExpress:
US $312.00 | KC868-M30 ESP32 ESPHome 30CH CT Clamp Energy Monitor 3CH ZMPT101B Voltage Board WIFI+RJ45+RS485+4G Modbus IIC RBG LED SD Card
https://a.aliexpress.com/_Eu03Kxw
last cedar
I have a solution @forest edge
Get an analog ampare and voltmeter and use 2x esp cams π€£
last cedar
https://youtu.be/12f4BwN_SKw?si=1Hq-glgrRZurna_e
This is amazing
last cedar
Also, I don't need clamps, all Norwegian houses have smart meters, so I just plu...
I should probably ask Vattenfall if there is an API I can use to get my data into home assistant
forest edge
there is a thing called zigboat but not spending 36 bucks plus don't think it works with z2m
last cedar
I now have a HAN port on it, but don't use tibber, so I don't think a tibber pulse would work
not sure if there is something like it, but open source
oh, I should have read your post
how are you doing the esp into the HAN port?
You have sent me so far down the rabbit hole now @clear ferry I am gonna get stuck, being a chubby little raccoon
forest edge
clear ferry
how are you doing the esp into the HAN port?
last cedar
https://giphy.com/gifs/ONWCqE0VQhwnRymfSP
That looks like a short wheel base raccoon
last cedar
Omg, I am so proud, just restarted my opnsense || and it came back up ||
I need to update it though, it is only 18 months old at the base π€£
25.1 coming soon though omg
crisp oriole
arg. this restart HA when editing a voice automation is freaking me out.
wait if i make it a script with an argument. perhaps then i can edit it with out restarting
clear ferry
@glacial knot
glacial knot
don't worry, the nords are our friends
midnight adder
<@232859383086710789>
explain the joke tho
glacial knot
=.= tenor filters the query I'd need for the answer
clear ferry
explain the joke tho
Might need to read history
clear ferry
don't worry, the nords are our friends
Yes, the blond Norwegians
glacial knot
we can't really tell if you are blond. Though might help if you have blue eyes
midnight adder
Might need to read history
midnight adder
<@232859383086710789>
is this joke about Til Schweiger becoming the president of Germany?
clever solstice
how would i go about troubleshooting homeassistant from cli? when i tried to go to the webui this morning, it won't connect, but the cli/os seems to load fine in proxmox.
tried restoring a backup from last night at 3am and still nothing. was working fine yesterday and no issues in the past 8 months or so. just random
primal laurel
how would i go about troubleshooting homeassistant from cli? when i tried to go...
perhaps your IP changed?
clever solstice
that's what i'm wondering, but it's static
wondering if something on the network took that ip
in cli it shows it's using same ip
primal laurel
anyway there is no support in this channel, try #1284966540617449515
clever solstice
when shutting it down, nothing replies in cmd ping
rich sphinx
when shutting it down, nothing replies in cmd ping
Like Stefan said, go to #1284966540617449515
lone dagger
<@303933403303247872> The suspense is killing me, did you get your bloody lights...
YES I FUCKING DID 
lone dagger
Both @grizzled gull and @fathom sparrow helped in their own ways but the solution I found was a weird blend of what they helped with. Using Select as an action instead of using a scene or script.
I have a really good idea on how to get this working now, so Iβm gonna write a guide.
last cedar
Awesome!!!! || so happy you are not filling the channel with all your moaning and technical questions anymore!!! /s ||
last cedar
I have a really good idea on how to get this working now, so Iβm gonna write a g...
You are not the only one who will find that useful π
nocturne orchid
is spotcast broken for you too or is it a me issue?
dusky plank
take a flower on your journey
lone dagger
take a flower on your journey
LOL how???
dusky plank
this is what go2rtc made
lone dagger
Perfect. 
lone dagger
Iβm about to say something that will only make sense if youβve played Overwatch or are so ingrained in the gaming community you couldnβt get away from it.
Goats showed up in Marvel Rivals in just 3 days after launch because they didnβt do the same guardrails against it that Overwatch had to do. Iβm wheezing, this is too funny to me. 
unborn merlin
Those badboys
those cost because of the ADCS probably.
fair mirage
Sorry if this is wrong. Is an old thin client still a cheap and effective way to get home assist spooled up?
static schooner
That's an #1284966540617449515 question. I suggest being more specific about the device you want to use when you post there
lone dagger
I have a really good idea on how to get this working now, so Iβm gonna write a g...
Since this guide is for beginners, it's immediately growing into setting up prerequisites first so people know how to get the stupid things enabled that most of us take for granted.
This is gonna take a while to write.
sage cedar
Speaking from personal experience, dumbing down is hard. There's always someone who's going to say... huh?
oops, I posted
crisp oriole
Since this guide is for beginners, it's immediately growing into setting up prer...
Step one enable expert mode. Good job youre now an expert
lone dagger
Speaking from personal experience, dumbing down is hard. There's always someone ...
Dumbing things down is my specialty. 
low harness
I've had a bit of fun setting up some desktop environments in docker, and decided to upload the results.
docker run --rm -p 8080:8080 thomasloven/novnc-ubuntu will launch a ubuntu desktop environment that you can access in your browser through localhost:8080. It has firefox installed by default.
And there's sound!!
There's also thomasloven/novnc-debian and thomasloven/novnc-alpine.
Really nice for trying out software: https://github.com/thomasloven/novnc-containers
wide garden
Trying this again without doxing myself too much
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uQbaC1aE08
low harness
Might as well embrace self doxing and just use your real name as a username π€·
Also. Very cool!
Especially the living room clouds.
wide garden
yeah, I'm not sure why it was giving me a completely accurate weather report for "Living room"
If anybody wants the Havana custom wake word - there's no point in me hogging it. I've uploaded it here
-> http://protonerd.net/files/HelloHavana.tflite
low harness
You should put this in #1284960456880029707
static schooner
Might as well embrace self doxing and just use your real name as a username π€·
Who's to say it's not π
low harness
I think you missed the deleted link
static schooner
Indeed I did
wide garden
Originally uploaded a google photos link to the video which revealed my full first and last name.
forest edge
never new onn made a speaker
wide garden
I got it onn clearance for like $17 bucks, It does aux, FM and bluetooth.
They have smaller ones that are similar
midnight adder
have you seen the DIY perks video with his wireless laser audio hub?
forest edge
I dunno how you people can stand that voice stuff
I wanted to reach through my monitor half way through that video and strangle that speaker
wide garden
It's a work in progress. I'm working on creating an onnx file with a nicer voice.
static schooner
Has that sorta virtual girlfriend vibe to it π
wide garden
This is what I'm shooting for
forest edge
the wake word for every question would still get annoying
safe plaza
Is there's an middle step in reliability between doing periodic backups and full on kubernetes high availability? Even k3s (which is supposed to be lightweight) destroys my Pi4s even without any services running
I'm doing a move to a larger drive on my HA pi right now and having the esphome lights blinking on reboot because it's not seeing the server is not a fun time
primal laurel
Is there's an middle step in reliability between doing periodic backups and full...
Why do you even need that? On a pi??
deft pewter
There's guidance in the topic of this channnel
urban cosmos
There's guidance in the topic of this channnel
OK. Overly complex discords are a hassle to find things or figure out where to post π¦
safe plaza
Why do you even need that? On a pi??
Need what?
urban cosmos
Help with a dongle heh. I took another random post stab in hardware
deft pewter
OK. Overly complex discords are a hassle to find things or figure out where to p...
Yeah. Some people like it. Others don't π
lucid atlas
TIL I learned the emoji thing in discord changes each time you hover it.
primal laurel
Need what?
High availability?
safe plaza
I'm doing a move to a larger drive on my HA pi right now and having the esphome ...
This is one example
It's not cool to have automations and dashboards be unusable any time I need to do any modifications to the system HA is running on
primal laurel
It's not cool to have automations and dashboards be unusable any time I need to ...
I don't see what that has to do with esphome lights blinking. That's completely separate from HA
safe plaza
The default behavior of esphome is to reboot when HA doesn't connect for a set amount of time
That's just one example
primal laurel
How long does your core reboot take? For me it's about 10 seconds
Just increase your timeout
safe plaza
What do reboot times have to do with this?
deft pewter
reboot when HA doesn't connect for a set amount of time
iron granite
primal laurel
Heh?
safe plaza
reboot_timeout (Optional, Time): The amount of time to wait before rebooting when no client connects to the API. This is needed because sometimes the low level ESP functions report that the ESP is connected to the network, when in fact it is not - only a full reboot fixes it. Can be disabled by setting this to 0s. Defaults to 15min.
deft pewter
Why does HA need high availability to solve that problem? Just lengthen the timeout or speed up your slow HA reboots.
weak musk
- This isn't a support channel
- Try the ESP Home discord if you're having issues with ESP Home
deft pewter
Feels like a PEBCAC issue, tbf
safe plaza
As I said already, this is just one example
primal laurel
As I said already, this is just one example
What other thing do you need high availability for?
safe plaza
Doing modifications on the system HA is running on might require you taking it offline for several hours
Can you really not picture any scenario where having HA down could be a bad thing?
It seems like I'm getting trolled lol
deft pewter
Sure. But it's down for seconds. Unless there's a power cut, then nothing's gonna work.
weak musk
It seems like I'm getting trolled lol
That's one way to look at it.
safe plaza
Sure. But it's down for *seconds*. Unless there's a power cut, then nothing's go...
What do you mean for seconds? I'm doing a hard drive swap
primal laurel
Can you really not picture any scenario where having HA down could be a bad thin...
My HA is never down so I can't relate
weak musk
Sure. But it's down for *seconds*. Unless there's a power cut, then nothing's go...
Yeah, I've never had HA down for longer than 5 minutes, ever, since implementing it
iron granite
This is still not a support channel. 
lone dagger
Unless itβs mental health support.
weak musk
tbf he's not getting any support
lone dagger
In that case, weβre not professionals.
deft pewter
I'm never professional
lone dagger
Iβm barely an adult.
iron granite
In that case, weβre not professionals.
primal laurel
This is still not a support channel. <:shksShrug:598242559567069195>
This is not support
iron granite
This is not support
primal laurel
crisp oriole
Wow. Home assistant and AI. Wow i tought the ai how to use a script. Said it as a fireplace and an aquarium. It listens to fish i want fish on the television and make a fire on the tv
Costs this month 8 euro cent
midnight adder
LLMs don't 'learn' or 'remember'. <:shrugR:727587457046151301>
I for one welcome our new AI overlords
deft pewter
I'll welcome AI when we have real AI instead of these sentence generators.
midnight adder
psssh just remember it will read every bit of this chat
deft pewter
Neural nets and transformers are really fun in terms of how they work, but they're not smart. People get way too hyped over a silly toy.
deft pewter
*psssh just remember it will read every bit of this chat*
It's okay. Skynet can come for me when it's ready.
forest edge
@tidal bronze did you survive the tornado?
iron granite
It's okay. Skynet can come for me when it's ready.
forest edge
tidal bronze
<@331255319365812224> did you survive the tornado?
Where? I am not all there most of the days. I have to keep up with the December drinking schedule
unborn merlin
Originally uploaded a google photos link to the video which revealed my full fir...
yeah that was fun to one day use reddit bigtable search to go delete all links between reddit and my real life π
unborn merlin
Neural nets and transformers are really fun in terms of how they work, but they'...
issue: most people aren't all that smart to begin with. π
unborn merlin
especially not in the cases of technology that almost explicitly exist to grift.
shell basalt
https://youtu.be/-4Hs9-ChzrM?si=AsKY6b1hktpMc2Dr
I played this .. and now my spotify is playing jazz
forest edge
Where? I am not all there most of the days. I have to keep up with the December ...
san francisco I think
tidal bronze
Oh. No idea. Hopefully everyone is fine.
forest edge
yea, we know the people of that state take "freak out" to a whole new level so anything happens the devastation radiates outward so wanted to make sure you survived the fallout
tidal bronze
Been in and out of the pool last 3 days. Thinking of sobering up for a few hours tomorrow. π no fallout here.
forest edge
that's good.. thought maybe they shut down uber eats or something
tidal bronze
No Uber eats now till January. I am on a roll. Going to test out my Port poached peaches in a bit.
atomic delta
Been in and out of the pool last 3 days. Thinking of sobering up for a few hours...
You're making me want to crack open one of the beers I just picked up, but I'm saving them for Christmas. Sadly at ~$20 a bottle I can't justify keeping myself stocked up. At least not until I get a job again.
static schooner
That's expensive even by craft beer standards
atomic delta
It's expensive for a reason. It's an aged beer.
It's also completely ruined other beer for me. Nothing compares.
tidal bronze
You're making me want to crack open one of the beers I just picked up, but I'm s...
The right time is now, always!
static schooner
You're making me want to crack open one of the beers I just picked up, but I'm s...
Seems like you need a job drinking beer
white hare
having a tough time searching for what I need here, I want to learn how to do Utility meter with tariffs, all the youtube videos I check are old and can't follow for current HA. search Utility or tariffs gave me now hits here in discord, unless I did it wrong.
forest edge
look up smart home junkie on YT. he made a more current one
atomic delta
Seems like you need a job drinking beer
Or eating cheese.
ocean oar
forest edge
why do russians spell boring with boaring in videos. seen 3 so far
dusky plank
goggles vs google
forest edge
your name no longer being purple is just freaky
dusky plank
you have been ... yellow? aka blue in the beginning afaik
forest edge
blue
dusky plank
anyways, the russkis either don't care if they're talking about a boring boar and/or they might not even hear the difference
forest edge
you would think auto correct would kick in before hitting submit on a YT video
dusky plank
hah, its in the title?
forest edge
one was in the discription but all 3 were text in the video.. but even video editing software has auto correct
red rock
Thanks Plex
forest edge
you don't think nascar is a sport?
ocean oar
IMDB has it in the Sport category too
forest edge
meanwhile in the states.. it's all about drones, drones, drones..
deft pewter
you don't think nascar is a sport?
If driving in circles counts as a sport, I'mma go out and take my car on a roundabout for a bit.
ocean oar
Americans don't really know what roundabouts are, perhaps Nascar is them making up for it?
deft pewter
The US has roundabouts.
forest edge
roundabout are so dumb
deft pewter
They're fantastic. Better than your friggin 4-way stops.
forest edge
uh huh. invented for the impatient
deft pewter
They're a simple solution to connecting multiple roads with similar flows of traffic without needing to install traffic controls.
4-way stops... what's the deal with having to remember which order everyone arrived in? I hate having to do that at a bar. I don't want to do it while driving too π
forest edge
yea cause paying attention to if either of two sides arrived before you is so hard lol
deft pewter
3?
forest edge
the one directly in front is a given
deft pewter
Anyway. What's hard about roundabouts? π
forest edge
you mean other than then the mentality of who gets into the turn first has right away regardless if one was speeding to do it?
deft pewter
So don't speed π
deft pewter
It's almost like the same argument applies to 4-way stops. Someone can ignore the signs or skip their turn.
solar zealot
the issues just come from people confusing roundabouts and circular intersections
and the song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuGAWR2eRyQ
deft pewter
But a roundabout... someone can enter from all 4 directions at the same time, assuming adequate space. It's like synchronised dancing.
deft pewter
and the song <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuGAWR2eRyQ>
Ok, I'm intrigued... what song?
Woo
solar zealot
forest edge
and the song <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuGAWR2eRyQ>
fitting for what a roundabout is lol
solar zealot
i love the idea that geometric shapes freak out drivers
deft pewter
I've only encountered a single 'difficult' roundabout and it's infamous.
forest edge
But a roundabout... someone can enter from all 4 directions at the same time, as...
depends on the roundabout
most here are single lane and they are not large enough to hold all 4 sides at once lol
deft pewter
deft pewter
depends on the roundabout
Yeah, we have some small ones too. But they're in places where a 4-way stop wouldn't make sense either (not that we have those in the UK anyway).
deft pewter
it even has lines to stop at
The one I shared? I don't think it's the markings that make it hard. It's that you can end up going counter-clockwise around the central shape when it's natural to go clockwise here.
forest edge
just cause they make driving in india look easy dosen't mean it's something to be proud of lol
solar zealot
glacial knot
The one I shared? I don't think it's the markings that make it hard. It's that y...
You had me confused there for a while with your wrong way driving
clever mortar
I've only encountered a single 'difficult' roundabout and it's infamous.
The magic roundabout isn't difficult, unless you struggle with driving in the first place π
forest edge
who would have thought driving in circles would become a skill
clever mortar
Driving in a straight line and not hitting things is a skill
One that many drivers don't have, sadly
forest edge
anyone run a bt proxy using zigbee? I assume it can be done cause I found one article that uses an slzb-06 to do it but I cannot find crap else. it's like all bt proxy using wifi
solar zealot
That sounds like asking for trouble
dusky plank
maybe its like that ethernet over hdmi thing, nobody uses or implements it
rich sphinx
The magic roundabout isn't difficult, unless you struggle with driving in the fi...
We need a Magic Roundabout XL. A central roundabout, with 10 roundabouts coming off it, each with 10 roundabouts of their own, which also each have 10 roundabouts of their own. Essentially, thousands of roundabouts. π
primal laurel
My hometown has a roundabout so notorious it is a mandatory part of driving lessons haha
It's 3 lanes. So you have to plan ahead, many people struggle with that apparently
red rock
My hometown has a roundabout so notorious it is a mandatory part of driving less...
Koning keizer karel plein?
red rock
Holy shit
haven'tbeen there in ages
and I still remember that that building is from Engie
nimble flint
I recall a 2x lane 3 times somewhere when we were in Scotland
red rock
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hEJ87KakN4
koning keizer karel plein is more fun because it lacks the guidance you have here
glacial knot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hEJ87KakN4
drunk driving 
nimble flint
make a new squid games except its nothing but rotary driving
young sigil
who would have thought driving in circles would become a skill
Canberra has one roundabout for every 1000 people.
glacial knot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uguJjfFFuo
is that 4 lanes? 
glacial knot
make a new squid games except its nothing but rotary driving
And only cars with rotary motors allowed
iron granite
And only cars with rotary motors allowed
Hosted by the local Rotary Club?
red rock
is that 4 lanes? <:rooThink:1169668588131602593>
There isnt even signs on the ground
glacial knot
Hosted by the local Rotary Club?
And all pedals replaced by rotary knobs
iron granite
Are rotary squids octocopters (except those 10 legged ones)?
nimble flint
really need to disable the thing where when I double tap on a title bar on an osx window and it expands 100%, since I'm on a 49"
nimble flint
Hosted by the local Rotary Club?
Only if they have held a meeting in the past 12 months sitting on rototillers
nimble flint
:]
crisp oriole
Omg i cant stop playing with AI gona cost me 3 cents a day if i continue like this
iron granite
Gemini - trained by GLaDOS
primal laurel
good to remember it has no knowledge, no identity and no memory. It is just a text predictor
deft pewter
A text predictor that lies. It doesn't have any concept of truth/facts. I feel bad for any idiot counting on its output to be accuraet π
primal laurel
it's still useful as long as you can interpret the results
deft pewter
How many people are qualified to fact check LLM responses? If you knew the answers already, you wouldn't be asking it.
clever mortar
My experience is that most people who ask you for help will then question your answers, despite knowing less than you, so the answer is everybody
grizzled gull
My experience is that most people who ask you for help will then question your a...
Are you sure about that?
primal laurel
How many people are qualified to fact check LLM responses? If you knew the answe...
I can not know the answer, or partially know it, and still judge whether the given answer is correct or not
but only for my domains of expertise
sometimes I simply ask stuff which would require a lot of searching
forest edge
My experience is that most people who ask you for help will then question your a...
wasn't it einstein that said question everything?
mental peak
Should I buy a second ZBT-1 for Thread, or should I replace all my Zigbee sensors to Thread?
clever mortar
If you want. No.
mental peak
I might buy a second one
I have the original Skyconnect, but I never deleted the Thread firmware
glacial knot
@clear ferry you wanted to send my some networked controller D:
white hare
which support channel should I use for setting up Utility meter?
lone dagger
which support channel should I use for setting up Utility meter?
Ooh, good question. Since it's a helper, I'd shove it in #1284966582375813201.
deft pewter
In the latest episode of dumb shit LLMs say: https://www.techspot.com/news/105976-apple-faces-bbc-complaint-after-ai-falsely-claims.html
primal laurel
In the latest episode of dumb shit LLMs say: https://www.techspot.com/news/10597...
if you have an hour to spare I recommend this talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e049IoFBnLA
deft pewter
An hour? Could you use an LLM to summarise for me?
primal laurel
no, all of it is important
deft pewter
tl;dw
primal laurel
your loss
deft pewter
It's not really though, is it? π
We're at the point where people have enough experience with LLMs for us to be able to assess their impact. There have been studies that show that overall productivity is down as a result of using them.
I don't care if there are some people that claim they speed up their workflows. They're a net negative, before you even consider material usage and energy usage.
forest edge
notegpt to the rescue! lol
primal laurel
We're at the point where people have enough experience with LLMs for us to be ab...
that's wrong. But I would like to see the source
glacial knot
An hour? Could you use an LLM to summarise for me?
Here is a summary of the video for you:
Computers have been used in mathematics for centuries, even before the invention of electronic computers. [03:15]
Early computers were human beings, who performed calculations manually. [03:51]
Tables and databases have played a crucial role in mathematical discoveries, such as the prime number theorem. [05:11]
AI is now being used to assist in mathematical research, including tasks like conjecture generation and proof verification. [09:14]
The speaker believes that AI will continue to transform mathematics, but also emphasizes the importance of human intuition and creativity. [10:30]
I hope this summary is helpful!
(From Gemini)
primal laurel
and this is coming from Terence Tao. Which means a lot
if you want to understand this topic better jsut watch the video
static schooner
Somehow the video is an hour but the summary only accounts for 10min. Even the LLM got bored π
peak slate
Here is a summary of the video for you:
Computers have been used in mathematics...
Ai will continue to make up mathematics that don't work and lie about it until we stop using ai there?
glacial knot
I suspect there's a context limit
And I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post the other Gemini's summary
static schooner
I did watch about half when you first posted it here before being called away
peak slate
I can't really see ai helping much in fields where are there right and wrong answers, it hallucinates too much
peak slate
Like a 5y/o helping you with advanced math
glacial knot
AFAIK there's some efforts to use GenAI in prove solver code generation that's pretty promising
Which isn't going to make up entirely new proofs, but will make it easier to write computer checked proofs
It's not gonna be an LLM shitting out answers
Closer in spirit to AlphaZero or e.g. AlphaFold
lone dagger
GenAI will continue making shitty assumptions based on math until people properly integrate context for the ML to learn. It can be done, I know for a fact MS has this tech (I've worked on it!!!), and no one fucking uses it.
I DO believe that they are trying to do this when it comes to code generation. The stuff GitHub has worked on seems quite promising.
hot ridge
GenAI? You mean biased random right?
lone dagger
But there are definitely studies already showing that AI slows down productivity, not speed it up.
peak slate
But there are [definitely studies](https://www.forbes.com/sites/torconstantino/2...
C suites buying what the salesmen are selling hardcore
lone dagger
GenAI? You mean biased random right?
It's not random, this really annoys me. It's looking at probability, which isn't necessarily random, at best it's biased, at worst it's actively harming people.
peak slate
Though c suites are not known to be intelligent
lone dagger
These things are only as good as their training data, and these companies have no interest in improving that.
dusky plank
huh, official xiaomi integration for HA. at last
peak slate
These things are only as good as their training data, and these companies have n...
Just feed it the whole Internet
That's fine right
peak slate
Nothing has ever gone wrong with letting the internet do things!
Sending t swift to perform at a school for the def
glacial knot
But there are [definitely studies](https://www.forbes.com/sites/torconstantino/2...
say
might be a vim issue
but yea, highly depends on how it's used
our internal tools can be pretty fancy. But also pretty obvious that they don't have a brain at times
primal laurel
But there are [definitely studies](https://www.forbes.com/sites/torconstantino/2...
A self-reporting survey is the lowest form of evidence though. To estimate productivity you need to actually measure it, which is not easy
lone dagger
Forums will be down tonight/tomorrow morning. https://community.home-assistant.io/t/forums-are-getting-a-new-potato/811971
lone dagger
A self-reporting survey is the lowest form of evidence though. To estimate produ...
I think self-reporting is important because it's not the c-suites using this dumb shit.
-# And 99% of surveys are self-reporting.
glacial knot
Mine are π€·
though that's what I meant by "vim issue"
difference of actual productivity mixed in with perception of load
Though the question whether vim is or isn't more productive is as old as newer editors^^
hot ridge
It's not random, this really annoys me. It's looking at probability, which isn't...
I am more referring to the idea that you train it with a bunch of biases. Then you more or less tell it to use those biases to give you a random answer. (yea, its probability based on the biases you taught it)
lone dagger
I am more referring to the idea that you train it with a bunch of biases. Then y...
We're not on Xitter here. You can use more words to explain yourself. π€£
primal laurel
I think self-reporting is important because it's not the c-suites using this dum...
It's just not good evidence. To make an objective assessment you need to measure productivity and then compare
hot ridge
We're not on Xitter here. You can use more words to explain yourself. π€£
hah, true
lone dagger
It's just not good evidence. To make an objective assessment you need to measure...
Disagree.
lone dagger
Because you cannot measure productivity outside of manufacturing.
And then how to measure quantity vs quality?
Self-reporting is the best way to figure out how people feel about their workloads.
primal laurel
I can't really see ai helping much in fields where are there right and wrong ans...
That's addressed in the talk. One way is proof assistants, which have certain theoretical correctness guarantees. In a way that grounds AI responses to the 'truth'
lone dagger
Trying to quantify it under numbers removes the human who is impacted by the changes, which is not something you should do in these cases.
glacial knot
feel about their workload
that's not productivity though
primal laurel
How people feel about their workloads is irrelevant. Your feelings suffer from biases, and whether you feel like your productivity worsened or improved Vs whether it actually did can be miles off
This is why self reporting is considered low quality evidence
hot ridge
I recently worked on a project at work where we implemented GenAI image generation into our product (e-learning creating software).
Users love using it. They use it a TON. We have a ton of metrics like how often they use it vs their own images. How often they pick an image quickly without generating again. Our goal was to try to analyze that "productivity" ...
But thats not actually productivity. Thats just creating something interesting.
Now when we add another metric, how many times geb-ai images were actually used in published output, we find that courses with customer provided images are published at nearly 10x the rate (published = used by end users)
peak slate
That's addressed in the talk. One way is proof assistants, which have certain th...
It'll be about "5" years before that's available I bet
glacial knot
do you have a metric / insight towards how often that GenAI input is used to guide the user provided image?
hot ridge
But when we asked them, the most interesting thing happened "We found it useful" -- "We found it increased our productivity" -- "We found it a joy to use"
But "We won't pay money for it"
glacial knot
I.e. how much do they prototype on generation and then get a proper image done based on what they figured out
hot ridge
do you have a metric / insight towards how often that GenAI input is used to gui...
I don't, thats not easy to figure out without doing some analysis on their provided images (which we don't do for good reason).
However, most of the images they provide are stock photos or pre-taken images from their own designers.
glacial knot
yea, that's something to query for. Not easy (possible?) to just automate
vale acorn
I can't really see ai helping much in fields where are there right and wrong ans...
It helps with code. There are a LOT of wrong answers in code, that will just crash, or will fail unit tests, or won't even parse as syntactically correct, or won't meet very clear requirements.
primal laurel
It'll be about "5" years before that's available I bet
no, it's already being used
peak slate
It helps with code. There are a LOT of wrong answers in code, that will just cr...
Oh for unit testing code, my mock answer was going to say that all those things are generated BY ai for code
Yeah ai could make a good fuzzer for testing, acting similar to users (doing things exactly the way they shouldn't)
lone dagger
> feel about their workload
that's not productivity though
Workload weight can be directly correlated to productivity levels, though.
Workload up, productivity down. Very easy to see.
Again, ignoring the human in a situation where the human aspect is important is poor data collection.
You have a partial story, not a full one.
vale acorn
The latest models like claude actually code very well, as long as you don't try to throw a whole 5 million line codebase at them. But grad-level 30 min to 1 day jobs are viable, in single-digit minutes, with a tool like aider.
peak slate
Again, ignoring the human in a situation where the human aspect is important is ...
The ai vc firms want to ignore the human element though
Humans cost money!
lone dagger
A lot of people think that data trumps how a person feels. That's how capitalism got to where it is.
peak slate
If ai weren't vc funded, it would probably be much more trusted and valuable
crisp oriole
Humans cost money!
Thats because computers cant be hold accountable if something goes wrong.
peak slate
But vc firms are only in it for short term gains and then they bail after they've strangled all the money out they can get
primal laurel
Again, ignoring the human in a situation where the human aspect is important is ...
not ignoring it. Just be aware of the bias in self reporting. All quantitative studies usually also include a survey. Because it's very interesting to look for discrepancies between self reporting and actual results
for example, for devs in the GH copilot survey 88% their perceived productivity improved https://github.blog/news-insights/research/research-quantifying-github-copilots-impact-on-developer-productivity-and-happiness/
glacial knot
You have a partial story, not a full one.
The irony just after #the-water-cooler message π€£
glacial knot
The latest models like claude actually code very well, as long as you don't try ...
Jup. I fear for entry level jobs across multiple industries.
Not so much for senior ones
peak slate
Lol I can't say I'm too afraid
Some corpo is going to commit fraud with ai generated accounting software they made for "cheap" and the government will not care that it was the ais fault
And that'll be that for ai replacements with just a manager typing in queries and running it
primal laurel
I don't think devs will be replaced by AI anytime soon
vale acorn
If you look at what needs done vs. what doesn't get done due to costs, there's plenty of room for AI with cutting most jobs. The AI output will probably fund jobs, overall. But there will be sone that just make no sense, like having a person manually type common combinations of follow-up words in a format called a news article, when an AI can just rattle that off in a second.
primal laurel
its too unreliable for that
lone dagger
for example, for devs in the GH copilot survey 88% their perceived productivity ...
GitHub Copilot is SIGNIFICANTLY different than the other snake oil being peddled.
It's got a specific goal, which is helping with code. It's not a catchall. So it will very much be higher quality and actually helpful.
peak slate
If you look at what needs done vs. what doesn't get done due to costs, there's p...
Key word generation for various platforms, hashtags for socials, all those would work well
Just get a human to double check them before it goes out and it'll be good to go
mortal walrus
that's another hilarious case of AIs generating content (keywords/hashtags) to be parsed by other AIs (content recommendation algorithms).
primal laurel
It's got a specific goal, which is helping with code. It's not a catchall. So it...
agreed. Proper use is crucial
peak slate
I wonder when ai will start putting subtle ads in the output too #cocacola #thebestsoda
primal laurel
treat it like a tool, its not magic
peak slate
that's another hilarious case of AIs generating content (keywords/hashtags) to b...
The ai email tools, lol let ai write your email and send it for the other ais to summarize it for actual consumption
glacial knot
It's got a specific goal, which is helping with code. It's not a catchall. So it...
Can't speak for copilot, but I can definitely say that the code assistant stuff can be quite nice
LLMs are also quite nice for getting summaries of articles
Less so for the attempt to replace search π€·
mortal walrus
even for article summaries, they're not great. They can get mislead by similar content in their training data such that they provide incorrect summaries that match a similar, but more common, type of content, or ignore the detail that makes a certain article distinct.
peak slate
glacial knot
yea, the onelines are 
primal laurel
even for article summaries, they're not great. They can get mislead by similar c...
in my experience that effect is significantly reduced if the entire article is provided as context
static schooner
yeah, summarizing headlines/notifications is not great
glacial knot
you need the entire article as context, and a larger output than a headline
static schooner
having AI write the headline might help avoid clickbaiting
This company's products might be killing you right now!
hot ridge
Speaking of, I enabled Apple's new notification grouping stuff that uses AI.
And well ... it sounds like i'm having a block party.
glacial knot
someone's giving the doorbell a high five
hollow glacier
Speaking of, I enabled Apple's new notification grouping stuff that uses AI.
An...
mine has been working pretty well but it depends what all gets collapsed with your notification settings
vale acorn
Speaking of, I enabled Apple's new notification grouping stuff that uses AI.
An...
Nonsense, don't believe it. AI's often mistake zombie hoards for block parties.
grizzled gull
Nonsense, don't believe it. AI's often mistake zombie hoards for block parties.
Depending on whats in the punch bowl, they maybe the same...
glacial knot
hot ridge
mine has been working pretty well but it depends what all gets collapsed with yo...
Yea, my Plex notifications are glorious. It described exactly what got added in a concise and easy to understand way ... Ring notifications -- not so much.
dusky plank
unborn merlin
A lot of people think that data trumps how a person feels. That's how capitalism...
wheres that? π
where people are posting probably-joking-but-also-maybe-serious wanted posters of CEO's in NYC?
odd umbra
when the survey asks why I use HA Cloud, why is "Backup" one of the choices? I never noticed a feature like that
hot ridge
Oh its definitely a feature -- and it works damn flawless in my experience.
iron granite
when the survey asks why I use HA Cloud, why is "Backup" one of the choices? I n...
HA Cloud backups is a feature they are thinking about, but not rolled out yet.
odd umbra
HA Cloud backups is a feature they are thinking about, but not rolled out yet.
ah! bit context-less in the survey then
odd umbra
Oh its definitely a feature -- and it works damn flawless in my experience.
with HA Cloud?
iron granite
Well... if you choose backup, you don't really use HA Cloud or don't know what it provides. Maybe it is an option to filter out unqualified survey entries. π€
hot ridge
Oh ignore me .. I missed the cloud part .. yea ..
crisp oriole
right i now have a google search and can open results with my webbrowser enabled in AI.
clear ferry
Well... if you choose backup, you don't really use HA Cloud or don't know what i...
hi user, do you also enjoy using linux GPO manager?
crude palm
energy is closed can i ask my question here?
crude palm
i did nothing that could help
iron granite
Use the new forum style channels in the support section. If you cannot see them, adjust your settings in id:customize
static schooner
You need to post. It's not just a set of articles
crude palm
You need to post. It's not just a set of articles
oh makes sens
crude palm
You need to post. It's not just a set of articles
Thank You
crisp oriole
Great. The voice command search for xkcd exploit of a mom comic and show it on the android television works.
night ivy
Hey is it smart to go to Phillips hue
weak musk
Hey is it smart to go to Phillips hue
Yes, without the bridge using zigbee (post in #1284966353798697001 if you have more questions).
night ivy
Yes, without the bridge using zigbee (post in <#1284966353798697001> if you have...
I already got the bridge
weak musk
night ivy
I got like 4 tuya lights so you think spending 150 bucks for Philips is good?
iron granite
Almost everything is better than Tuya.
lone dagger
weak musk
I wonder where we could talk about this in depth? π€
iron granite
Maybe in #1284966353798697001 ?
weak musk
Oh thatβs a good idea!
iron granite
-# who knows
iron granite
Oh thatβs a good idea!
Of course! Because it was mine and mine alone! 
night ivy
Almost everything is better than Tuya. <:shksShrug:598242559567069195>
π₯²π₯²π₯²
grizzled gull
@lone dagger your lights finally working?
hot ridge
New Device Detected! Missy's Lights.
Do I click yes? π§
I faught with Tuya temperature sensors for like ever ... and never again.
last cedar
> New Device Detected! Missy's Lights.
Do I click yes? π§
We were wondering if it was Missys neighbours π
hot ridge
My neighbours have xmas lights that are bluetooth that HA keeps detecting, and there is no security on them.... I am tempted every single day to click Configure.
hot ridge
We were wondering if it was Missys neighbours π
Also, I detect the correct spelling of neighbour.
night ivy
My neighbours have xmas lights that are bluetooth that HA keeps detecting, and t...
Just click on it
hot ridge
Just click on it
In my head I heard you saying "DOOOOOOOO ITTTTTTTTT"
night ivy
But tuya is not good? Like if I buy Phillips do I feel the difference
last cedar
Tuya is probably great
night ivy
In my head I heard you saying "DOOOOOOOO ITTTTTTTTT"
No more Like a YES FUCK DO THAT
last cedar
But getting it to work with HA seems very hit and miss
night ivy
But getting it to work with HA seems very hit and miss
For me it works normal.
last cedar
My tuya dehumidifier works really well with its own app
weak musk
So it doesnβt work
last cedar
And as soon as it is added to HA it stops working as it should
Missys lights were possessed, and required an exorcism to get working
hot ridge
IMO the difference between Tuya and Phillips is like the difference between no name ice cream and the good stuff.
weak musk
Are we talking ice cream or ice cream sandwiches?
hot ridge
Oh .. good point...
ocean oar
Literally the "frozen dessert" (because it doesn't contain enough dairy products to legally be called ice cream) of smart devices π
weak musk
Because no name ice cream sandwiches have a certain je ne sais quoi
hot ridge
In the end they are both ice cream sandwiches -- but ... the difference....
night ivy
So you say yes and spend 150 euro?
weak musk
In the end they are both ice cream sandwiches -- but ... the difference....
Fair assessment.
iron granite
So you say yes and spend 150 euro?
150 Euros worth of ice cream causes stomach pain.
weak musk
How many of you all have snow? Itβs a very green/brown December here
grizzled gull
<<-- Snow
weak musk
150 Euros worth of ice cream causes stomach pain.
Lactaid helps with that.
iron granite
I have doubts
primal laurel
How many of you all have snow? Itβs a very green/brown December here
No snow. Fking climate change
crisp oriole
No snow. Fking climate change
There will be plenty of snow when the atlantic current collapses
weak musk
See, an upside! ππ
crisp oriole
See, an upside! ππ
O yeah. Elfstedentocht
weak musk
Cool event, bummer itβs been in such decline due to warming
night ivy
150 Euros worth of ice cream causes stomach pain.
Sooooo
weak musk
Dude. Seriously make a post in #1284966353798697001 this is not a support channel
keen bridge
Did someone call for a moderator waving a ban hammer? π
crisp oriole
πΆBan is in the air. Tududu tududu ban is in the air.πΆ
lone dagger
We haven't had a ban yet today, the hammer could be swung.
keen bridge
We haven't had a ban yet today, the hammer could be swung.
I did have to send a message on the forums though π
lone dagger
I had to tell snikay to buzz off. Close to a swing, but not quite.
And close a WTH about time zones.
keen bridge
Look, time zones are hard
weak musk
primal laurel
lone dagger
Look, time zones are hard
weak musk
[Oh so difficult](<https://community.home-assistant.io/t/forums-are-getting-a-ne...
Obvious solution is to list 23 zones and leave his out
keen bridge
[Oh so difficult](<https://community.home-assistant.io/t/forums-are-getting-a-ne...
I'm always slightly concerned when people don't read "XX:XX P(D/S)T/YY:YY CE(S)T" as time zones π€ͺ
keen bridge
Obvious solution is to list 23 zones and leave his out
Don't forget earth and mars standard time. And decimal time!
I seem to remember there was an FR for decimal time somewhen, I briefly looked into decimal time and decided that I'm bad enough at time as it is.
primal laurel
every country now uses UTC. Does this fuck up your time schedule? Sucks to suck
ocean oar
I seem to remember there was an FR for decimal time somewhen, I briefly looked i...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swatch_Internet_Time
They made wrist watches and everything
vale dust
my zigbee network, out of interest whats the record size of a deployed z2m network?
this map keeps crashing the tab lol
keen bridge
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swatch_Internet_Time
They made wrist watches and e...
I had one of those watches!
keen bridge
my zigbee network, out of interest whats the record size of a deployed z2m netwo...
Try the #1284966617670881350 channel
The water cooler is just for off topic chit chat
vale dust
i'm not getting support though, i thought this was essentially general chat
weak musk
I had one of those watches!
That thing is a tank!
keen bridge
i'm not getting support though, i thought this was essentially general chat
The first line of the topic is "no support" π
weak musk
The second (implied) line is βonly shitpostingβ
weak musk
keen bridge
Tapping on channel topics in discord on mobile needs diced potato!
vale dust
am i missing something? i'm not asking for support. i see the channel topic
weak musk
#the-potato-masher
lone dagger
am i missing something? i'm not asking for support. i see the channel topic
Ah, I see what you are attempting. It may not get lost over in #the-workshop.
Gods, now I think I can actually continue my guide about Tuya lights.
weak musk
Gods, now I think I can actually continue my guide about Tuya lights.
One line βdonβtβ
lone dagger
Itβs a legitimate beginnerβs guide. Despite the communityβs deep hate for it, itβs quite popular among those who want to save money.
primal laurel
Xiaomi stuff is also cheap but much better quality
weak musk
Itβs a legitimate beginnerβs guide. Despite the communityβs deep hate for it, it...
Iβd rather be poor
static schooner
Itβs a legitimate beginnerβs guide. Despite the communityβs deep hate for it, it...
Or whose time they consider to be free?
And mental health
lone dagger
Xiaomi stuff is also cheap but much better quality
And theyβre doing good support with their custom integration!
unborn merlin
Tuya or Philips
I have philips..
But god damn they make it hard to want to ever buy more with the prices..
I've half considered making my own esp32+rgbCW based light fixtures..
vale dust
i just bought 23 tuya rgb spot bulbs
the firmware on them reports the completely wrong bulb but they're bright enough, colours are okay, can do colour temperature fine, and they pair on first boot
they get reported as Zigbee 3.0 15W led light bulb E27 RGBCW
lone dagger
Or whose time they consider to be free?
Iβm hoping this saves EVERYONE pain lol.
vale dust
phillips bulbs are so incredibly hard to pair
it's impossible to get them into pair mode with powercycling
solar zealot
Don't they just be in pair mode by default once powered up?
vale dust
Don't they just be in pair mode by default once powered up?
maybe the first time, but if you ever have to repair good luck
switched from a hue bridge to z2m
pain
solar zealot
I usually just unlink them through the app and then they are readi to pair again
But that didn't happen too often yet so I may be completely off with my lightbars
keen bridge
One remote makes it much easier. Though having re-paired mine after moving and not being able to find the remote it was fine.
vale dust
I usually just unlink them through the app and then they are readi to pair again
yeah unfortunately i didn't have the foresight to do that before selling the hue bridge
solar zealot
ohno
I thought someone had a script to make a plug turn on and off to reset bulbs at some point
vale dust
luckily we only had 2 phillips bulbs, mainly ikea household and their power cycling is extremely easy
solar zealot
Imagine if they would just putt a reset pin onto the bulb (cost would totally explode by this experience invention)
primal laurel
I have all philips hue bulbs because I worked there lol, could get them for cheap. I didn't have any issues getting them on ZHA
vale dust
noooooo, they're practically giving them away at Β£40/bulb, they'd have to hike their prices up!
keen bridge
Imagine if they would just putt a reset pin onto the bulb (cost would totally ex...
Someone would say they got electrocuted or burned.
That's the more likely side to it.
lone dagger
Xander has missed the past 2 weeks of Adventures in Real Home Assistant Experiences with Missy.
vale dust
Xander has missed the past 2 weeks of Adventures in Real Home Assistant Experien...
in regards to what lol
primal laurel
keen bridge
Why Tuya was even brought up. <:lul:887801114773295104>
Is this your audition for the crazy people? π
lone dagger
I have been a part of them for decades.
vale dust
i recommended at least ikea bulbs, but the aliexpress special was chosen instead, i still live at home so I have very much become the "IT department" of the house so to speak.
weak musk
My guide that I am writing.
deft pewter
i recommended at least ikea bulbs, but the aliexpress special was chosen instead...
Don't most people 'live at home'? π
lone dagger
My bulbs are all wifi. The Tuya lights are path lights.
vale dust
Don't most people 'live at home'? π
sorry, live with parents
primal laurel
My bulbs are all wifi. The Tuya lights are path lights.
weak musk
Don't most people 'live at home'? π
Qf kelp seems to vacation at home
vale dust
My bulbs are all wifi. The Tuya lights are path lights.
i've avoided wifi like the plague for smart stuff. having 40+ IoT wifi devices seems like a horrible way to clog up your wifi
and dhcp
lone dagger
I use an AP for my IoT devices.
And keep them on 2.5 while my heavy use devices on a different device's 5GHz.
vale dust
yeah just running on the isp router over here, it's good enough as long as we keep to zigbee
vale dust
I use an AP for my IoT devices.
a single AP? wifi doesn't mesh though, won't you get connectivity issues at the edges of your house?
vale dust
i built a garage door controller with an esp32, it BARELY clings onto wifi
mortal walrus
big ol' "it depends" on that one, 2.4ghz has more range than 5ghz generally, and the size of the house matters :)
weak musk
Materials of the house too
primal laurel
due to the fun of electromagnetics you can have dead zones in your house even if your range is sufficient
mortal walrus
wifi router antennas can sometimes have uneven radiation patterns too
(well, i should better say that wifi router antennas almost always have uneven radiation patterns)
vale dust
it doesn't help that it's insisted that the wifi router is hidden between two massive metal bowls
lone dagger
a single AP? wifi doesn't mesh though, won't you get connectivity issues at the ...
I do. I have an extender on the side of the house that I need more range. It's surprisingly stable!
unborn merlin
... wait a legitimate wifi extender?
Not a mesh?
weak musk
I have 15 iot devices on 2.5ghz WiFi (1 AP) without issue, but the rest is zigbee or zwave. All other internet connected crap is on 5ghz WiFi.
unborn merlin
missy.. are you using a portal to chat with us from 2005? π€£
vale dust
2.5ghz?
lone dagger
... wait a legitimate wifi extender?
Not a mesh?
ahahahhaha yes.
weak musk
2.4β iOS is fucking with me
lone dagger
I am an agent of chaos.
vale dust
i thought i missed the bus on something lmao
lone dagger
mortal walrus
hey, the highest channels in the 2.4ghz range do round up to 2.5ghz :)
lone dagger
Lol I fat fingered things.
static schooner
I have 15 iot devices on 2.5ghz WiFi (1 AP) without issue, but the rest is zigbe...
vale dust
i just can't WAIT until this arrives
not my recommendation
it's probably an empty box with an led
static schooner
comes with a time machine
weak musk
I feel like that is something my grandmother would buy
mortal walrus
they're only claiming 300mbit/s transfers? so it's only 802.11n (wifi 5)?
vale dust
we have a gigabit link
vale dust
they're only claiming 300mbit/s transfers? so it's only 802.11n (wifi 5)?
yeah and i bet it won't reach that
unborn merlin
I feel like that is something my grandmother would buy
no you mean those 'power saver' bullshit boxes? π
mortal walrus
my rule of thumb for wifi speeds is that each new wifi standard that comes out means you can finally actually get the advertised speeds from the previous wifi standard :)
vale dust
please let me know if you find any sort of product specification
oh god its 2.4ghz only
unborn merlin
are we sure it isn't actually dick pills?
because like
... product name and all that
vale dust
UltraXTend works by first connecting to your existing Wifi network (or directly to your router via an ethernet cable). Then, it broadcasts the existing signal with more strength and range throughout your home or office.
gahah it's not even a mesh thing you got to wire it up
so it won't even work
vale dust
isn't there produts that connect to wifi and re-emit the signal?
unborn merlin
yeah, they're usually junk these days as they always were
vale dust
i know, and i thought this junk was that junk
unborn merlin
the better solution these days is a meshing type of routers π
primal laurel
(well, i should better say that wifi router antennas almost always have uneven r...
nonisotropic π€ but yes indeed
vale dust
what mesh systems are good right now?
primal laurel
zigbee
vale dust
from the sounds of how it works wouldn't latency be really bad on meshes?
deft pewter
Is mesh bad or just not as good as running ethernet and sticking up some APs?
tidal bronze
Hard wired to AP would be the way to go.
deft pewter
from the sounds of how it works wouldn't latency be really bad on meshes?
You've got extra latency at each hop, yeah. Doesn't seem too bad though, in theory.
vale dust
running ethernet is also costly
vale dust
cutting holes in walls ):
primal laurel
from the sounds of how it works wouldn't latency be really bad on meshes?
nah, packet forwarding happens at the MAC layer I think
deft pewter
running ethernet is also costly
For some, money is no issue. π
tidal bronze
Why waste a channel spacing
tidal bronze
cutting holes in walls ):
Any other way to do anything?
vale dust
elegant
tidal bronze
Then put the poe adapter in a lunch box. Yep.
deft pewter
Then put the poe adapter in a lunch box. Yep.
It's gotta be a metal lunchbox though, right? To amplify the signal.
weak musk
Drag an Ethernet cable around with you as you move from room to room
solar zealot
It's called classy, you guys wouldn't know. People wear pools and tape wires it's just how the rich do it
vale dust
i recently saw a video where a guy modded an optical audio output port with a laser diode and shot it across rooms
weak musk
i recently saw a video where a guy modded an optical audio output port with a la...
DIY perks
tidal bronze
It's gotta be a metal lunchbox though, right? To amplify the signal.
Or use 7mf flux capacitator
primal laurel
It's called classy, you guys wouldn't know. People wear pools and tape wires it'...
gotta resist the urge to jump into that
deft pewter
i recently saw a video where a guy modded an optical audio output port with a la...
The first 5 minutes of that video were awesome. The other 6 hours of him babbling on about 3D printing were depressing.
primal laurel
i recently saw a video where a guy modded an optical audio output port with a la...
diyperks. Not that impressive compared to his other videos
tidal bronze
i recently saw a video where a guy modded an optical audio output port with a la...
Another case of DI-Why
vale dust
someone leans on a wall and your left channel drops out lmao
tidal bronze
The length people go for a click. π don't forget to like and subscribe
solar zealot
Sounds like the average ltt doing smart home stuff video experience
weak musk
Except this thing works π€£
vale dust
his stupid smart switches
solar zealot
him enjoying homey over the terribly set up homeassistant
tidal bronze
Hopefully LTT got his climate control finally working. π π π π
primal laurel
weak musk
The only smart thing he did was install home assistant. Everything beyond that was asinine
vale dust
he has a bunch of crap zwave smart switches
weak musk
And TWO THERMOSTATS PER ROOM
vale dust
do products exist that control a boiler just on/off?
like the "heat link" module of nest thermostats
we have TRVs but also a nest thermostat it's so stupid
tidal bronze
The only smart thing he did was install home assistant. Everything beyond that w...
Nothing asinine about generating revenue. I doubt his target audience is here in this discord. Props for raking in that $$$$
vale dust
he has publically stated many times that his house stuff is purely for $$$
tidal bronze
yeah him making money is fair.
Buck stops right there. Rest is emotional brew ha ha.
primal laurel
we really need to stop equating money to success my god
primal laurel
go make an onlyfans then if you want money
weak musk
Feet arenβt pretty enough
tidal bronze
There you go
lone dagger
Money can fix that.
tidal bronze
How about onlypaws?
tidal bronze
Money can fix that.
Debatable. Trip very fixable.
That reminds me missed my pedi appointment
lone dagger
Wow, don't be bad at self-care, QF.
weak musk
That reminds me missed my pedi appointment
You need to continually invest in your product QF
tidal bronze
I can't disappoint Stefan. On my way to start my onlyfans
primal laurel
I pay extra for public feet pics.
weak musk
I can't disappoint Stefan. On my way to start my onlyfans
The wine and pool heater isnβt going to pay for itself
vale dust
wine heater π
tidal bronze
You are π―
crisp oriole
wine heater π
As long you dont use a microwave. Wine is very explosive when put in the microwave
tidal bronze
Get money up front, QF.
I believe in coupon codes
vale dust
As long you dont use a microwave. Wine is very explosive when put in the microwa...
that sounds like you're speaking from experience
crisp oriole
that sounds like you're speaking from experience
No youtube thankfully
lone dagger
Learning from the mistakes of others. Smart.
That's how we learn which berries are poisonous.
tidal bronze
Didn't think you were the hiking type
lone dagger
I love hiking.
tidal bronze
Oh boy.
lone dagger
I knocked off hiking on an active volcano from my bucket list a couple years ago. 
-# Though I also stayed in a house on the same volcano... 
iron granite
And have you knocked someone into that active vulcano?
lone dagger
And have you knocked someone into that active vulcano?
No, they wouldn't let us get close enough.
weak musk
Berries and active volcanoes are why families used to be much bigger back in the day
-# probably
tidal bronze
I *love* hiking.
iron granite
crisp oriole
I like bikeing.
crisp oriole
ah yes, hiking in NL. So much fun
Tought when young. Called dropping
tidal bronze
ah yes, hiking in NL. So much fun
The grade is beyond the horizon?
primal laurel
I misread this as panty tracker https://discord.com/channels/330944238910963714/1318318668089659392
primal laurel
The grade is beyond the horizon?
grade?
crisp oriole
I misread this as panty tracker https://discord.com/channels/330944238910963714/...
There is a ladder in your panty replace imminent
lone dagger
Hiking selfie to make everyone feel bad.
tidal bronze
Kinda look like black sands.
red rock
Hiking selfie to make everyone feel bad.
Why do you look so difficult
tidal bronze
So I was partially right. I thought it was the star wars set in iceland.
tidal bronze
It was just a cloud.
Going back to video, that breathing sound lmao
iron granite
Hiking selfie to make everyone feel bad.
tidal bronze
@lone dagger some port wine poached pears with rum raisin for all your hard work.
lone dagger
weak musk
Daaamn
desert cave
lmao.. 4 frigate card updates released today
crisp oriole
Im filling in the home assistant questionnaire. Is there is someone that considers me a friend?
lone dagger
Is that part of the questions? 
crisp oriole
Have you made friends trough the home assistant community
lone dagger
OH! I would think of it more as are there people YOU consider friends.
Were I talking about you outside of the server to others, I'd probably say "friend". I refer to a lot of people as such.
static schooner
it's like launching nuclear missiles, you both have to turn the key
or like dating apps these days
atomic delta
Interesting analogy for friendship...
lone dagger
it's like launching nuclear missiles, you both have to turn the key
That's BEST friends.
And then bestie is another level.
static schooner
otherwise it's just creepy stalking π
lone dagger
THERE ARE TIERS
forest edge
Were I talking about you outside of the server to others, I'd probably say "frie...
I must get a lot of friends in here then lol
crisp oriole
That's BEST friends.
All my best friends places are taken.
lone dagger
All my best friends places are taken.
Same.
atomic delta
Life is too complicated to add friends into the mix.
crisp oriole
Never stop make friends.
atomic delta
I do have the dwindling remnants of a block of romano though.
static schooner
cheese just listens, never judges
atomic delta
Cheese is true zen.
crisp oriole
Cheese is true zen.
Bipolar if dutch cheese
Oh i spended 3 cent on google AI today. Google search is costly
primal laurel
Have you made friends trough the home assistant community
crisp oriole
https://tenor.com/view/carla-shaw-friends-disappoint-i-dont-need-friends-they-di...
I can be your fiend
static schooner
that's a different thing entirely
crisp oriole
Sorry stuck in a old irc mode with some poor fellow trying to be friends but had poor spelling.
Going trough a psychoses and see who is still friends when your back to gether helps in selecting.
A other questionnaire question. How can home assistant help when you're schizophrenic (or schizoaffective like me)
Have not found a good usecase.
forest edge
Moon is HUGE tonight
lone dagger
A other questionnaire question. How can home assistant help when you're schizoph...
Do you have anything set up in HA to help reduce any triggers you may have?
lone dagger
Moon is HUGE tonight
crisp oriole
Do you have anything set up in HA to help reduce any triggers you may have?
Not really.
lone dagger
Not really.
That's the only thing I can think of outside of knowing specifics.
lone dagger
Why are we collecting PII?
It's completely optional.
crude token
There is no reason to have questions about what we do for work and religion
lone dagger
Don't provide it if you don't want to.
crude token
The inclusion from the start is the issue - HA development has no need for any of that
crisp oriole
I provide other. Dont belief i know. Believing is bad for my health
forest edge
then don't use HA
crude token
Thats reductive and crass (and also knee jerk response).
lone dagger
The inclusion from the start is the issue - HA development has no need for any o...
Correct, there is no need for it. However it is insightful information if people choose to provide it.
It also does not identify you personally, which is key in PII.
It's just demographic data.
crisp oriole
Verse of the day integration using your favourite holy book
forest edge
free stuff shouldn't really have to answer anything especially on stuff that's optional lol
forest edge
guide on what? on how to look past tuya stuff?
lone dagger
Finding steps that I am like "shit, I already had that set up, now I need to put steps in for that".
forest edge
step 1: read the box
step 2: look for any tuya identification
step 3: google search name of brand to find out if it uses tuya under the hood
step 4: if found tuya replace back on store shelf
pretty good guide if you ask me
primal laurel
we already made that joke
forest edge
oh
vale acorn
Moon is HUGE tonight
I think the moon is on an 18 year (or so) cycle, and 2025 is its peak, when it's high overhead. Or something.
forest edge
I think the moon is on an 18 year (or so) cycle, and 2025 is its peak, when it's...
so even bigger next year.. gonna look kind of scary cause it's huge now lol
vale acorn
As long as it doesn't fall..
forest edge
lone dagger
As long as it doesn't fall..
Or maybe it does. I'm game.
primal laurel
techncially it's always falling
forest edge
actually no
lone dagger
Just roll across the face of the earth.
forest edge
technically the moon is moving away
vale acorn
techncially it's always falling
True π
vale acorn
technically the moon is moving away
"Falling more slowly"
lone dagger
Earth won't let it go.
primal laurel
technically the moon is moving away
no, its moving towards us
vale acorn
no, its moving towards us
You. It's moving towards YOU, Stefan. We're fine π
forest edge
nasa has it all wrong then lol
vale acorn
Stupid NASA.
primal laurel
how?
devout blaze
Anyone have an idea for how I can measure pool water level? Not wanting to go back to an auto filler, but also unsure what to try using in the skimmer to track.
forest edge
Anyone have an idea for how I can measure pool water level? Not wanting to go ba...
paging mr @tidal bronze .. paging mr @tidal bronze
vale acorn
how?
Did you see how it looked at you yesterday? I'm surprised it didn't act sooner, tbh π
primal laurel
Did you see how it looked at you yesterday? I'm surprised it didn't act sooner,...
somehow it's always facing me the same way
iron granite
Writing this guide is mind numbing no wonder more people don't do this.
Unit of measurement: Megahurts?
static schooner
somehow it's always facing me the same way
it's like the Mona Lisa
tidal bronze
Anyone have an idea for how I can measure pool water level? Not wanting to go ba...
a02yyuw with esphome
forest edge
poor stefan.. never gets to see moon butt
vale acorn
it's like the Mona Lisa
*moona lisa
crisp oriole
Sigh. Why are all the android tv apps not respecting the url api call. What for browser are you.
Tvbro works but it keeps opening new tabs
forest edge
a02yyuw with esphome
lol right on que
they added google home to google tv
I just saw that update on my tv
took them long enough
tidal bronze
Are they ever gonna come up with a new shield?
forest edge
don't think so
forest edge
to be fair you could build your own "shield" easily enough these days out of better hardware
and cheaper lol
tidal bronze
Not interested in building anything unless no retail version.
static schooner
I used to love my Shields, but the stability went downhill and I got sick of them
tidal bronze
I call BS
static schooner
either the Android upgrades or the apps, it became unreliable
problems I do not have with my AppleTVs
vale acorn
They added advertising.
forest edge
the thing is almost as old as I am after all
static schooner
They added advertising.
and that
tidal bronze
problems I do not have with my AppleTVs
Can you FF plex in ATV now?
vale acorn
Mini pc with 4k + jellyfin is a decent option.
static schooner
I'm always surprised when I go back to it for a moment and see how they've enshittified the interface
tidal bronze
I used ATV like for few hours and gave it away. Ain't no body got time for that!
static schooner
everybody likes different things π
forest edge
apple tv's built in method for dsiplaying cameras is pretty cool
or at least it looked cool on an older guide I watched
static schooner
I didn't like that the AppleTV+ and Disney apps on Shield kept rebooting the box
tidal bronze
Shield pro?
static schooner
apple tv's built in method for dsiplaying cameras is pretty cool
that, too. it is pretty cool
yes
2019 Shield Pro, top of the line
tidal bronze
Never had any issues. I have like 7
tidal bronze
Oh I don't use DV
static schooner
see, there ya go
forest edge
time to upgrade
static schooner
if you only use part of it, you don't see the crashes in the stuff you don't use
tidal bronze
Not interested in DV. Got rid of my Sony. Samsung all around.
static schooner
in any case, my ATV boxes are much more stable and slick than the Shield + AndroidTV
tidal bronze
Worked in the industry 70% DV tone mapping is just words.
Then again great business model.
static schooner
Can you FF plex in ATV now?
I guess?
tidal bronze
Oh finally. Can you scrub? Highlight the marker and move?
forest edge
z9x dosen't look that bad
static schooner
If you use their remote or app with the touchscreen, sure
tidal bronze
Test it for me with your remote. FF and Scrub is what I am looking for
static schooner
Actually, it's not showing me frames, just letting me move back and forth in the timeline
tidal bronze
As long as you can scrub now, great! Even with the remote you could only do x FF when I tested it.
tidal bronze
z9x dosen't look that bad
I do have few of those TV boxes. Great play toys. Need USB IR to work with Harmony. Didn't have much milage.
forest edge
thats not bad
tidal bronze
Not bad at all.
forest edge
considering all the other connectivity options it gives
did you look into the duneHD? it's supposedly more of a powerhouse compared to the zidoo but didn't quite have all those bells and whistles
tidal bronze
HDR and ATMOS is all I want as long as the editors have done a good job. π
forest edge
well both are still being actively updated hardware wise
tidal bronze
I don't think it's the hardware anymore. Content is crap
forest edge
well won't argue against that lol
forest edge
oh thought you were talking about the stuff being released for us to choke down and watch
tidal bronze
That too. Kudos to Apple! some of their titles are properly mastered on the Audio side. Then again last few series meh
crisp oriole
Going to bed. My xkcd search on my television needs to wait.
Warning deprecated channel called
forest edge
wish scrubbing through frigate was just a little smoother
static schooner
We're not allowed to say their names!!
static schooner
I run all the betas
forest edge
lol
static schooner
currently running image: ghcr.io/blakeblackshear/frigate:0.15.0-beta3
forest edge
has the experience improved when going back through footage vs 14.1?
static schooner
I don't really ever do that
forest edge
oh
static schooner
I use live view and clips around detections
unless the latter is what you're talking about
I don't use the timeline
forest edge
well even clips brings up the history. has loading those improved?
static schooner
it wasn't really broken for me before
forest edge
stuff loaded instantly for you?
static schooner
scrubbing through the timeline for a camera seems as responsive as I would expect
forest edge
sluggish
forest edge
well was waiting till release
was hoping they found a way to improve the background loading of the saved records
static schooner
I use the container install, so I just stop it, copy the directory, and create a new docker-compose block
easy to test
I can always go back if I want
forest edge
I know my biggest issue is the remote connection which compounding the loading time for sure but I experince where the clips loads a few seconds then turns around and has to load even longer and i am not sure if that's the connection or just frigate
once the stream is loaded and playing if I go to scrub even for a few seconds it goes right back to where as if it loaded nothing at all
static schooner
I run Frigate on one machine and store all my data on my NAS mounted over NFS
Seeks fast enough
forest edge
well mine is all on one machine