the-water-cooler

[static schooner]

It seemingly went through a wormhole from Florida to San Diego

It was stuck between dimensions

[forest edge]

it was last scanned pretty close to me and usps does deliver on sundays so if it don't magically show up by then it's a pretty good indicator it's gone lol

[static schooner]

I feel kinda bad because I complained to the seller yesterday and he already sent a replacement

It's sitting at the acceptance point

[forest edge]

well the postal service reimburses them so it's like free sales to a degree lol

[static schooner]

Not if they eventually deliver it

[forest edge]

guess that would depend what year it gets delivered lol

[static schooner]

They just conveniently don't ever consider it lost 🙂

ETA: In the fullness of time ...

[forest edge]

postal service should just stop offering the ability to deliver anything other than an envelope

within my lifetime I have witnessed them getting cut off at the knees several times both in regulations and funding

so there is noway it can keep up

[primal laurel]

is that 13.54 SEK? thats like 1 euro / kWh?

[hollow glacier]

so far we have lost every usps claim, especially when marked "delivered" aka they said they scanned it in but never arrived

well except the claim i filed last week where i took a screenshot of me writing in a notepad.txt telling them this is bullshit and to please email me (i submitted it as photo evidence so a real person looked at it)

[forest edge]

they stiffed you?

[hollow glacier]

basically we will just pay the $4 to have you ship it back or offer to let you pay us and keep it if the original shows up

[forest edge]

time to move away from usps

i'd rather pay extra at this point then even deal with usps

[hollow glacier]

it's the only cheap option we have and dont have a ton of issues but when we do our premium insurance per package doesnt seem to get very far

we just got rid of OrangeDS cuz some EU folks picked the cheapest option then it took 30+ business days to get there and lots of lost claims so finally got rid of it

[forest edge]

well stick with them during no holiday months and someone else during holiday months lol

I've seen plenty of complaint posts of lost packages around the holidays dealing with usps over the past several years but this is the very first year I've ever had any lost coming to me and I feel like it's making up for my past good luck in a single year now lol

the irony of amazon boosting how effective they have become delivering packages during these times

maybe amazon should take over lol

[hollow glacier]

we technically have an amazon store but only msr-2 and 30% higher marked up cuz of 30% amazon cut

one of the "amazon influencers" got an msr-2 for free from amazon then they left a 1 star review saying it doesnt work with their smart home...

"smart home"

[forest edge]

wtf

[hollow glacier]

like i guess amazon influencers can pick things for amazon to send them for free to do a sponsored review on or whatever

still lol

[forest edge]

vine or whatever that is

my friend in NJ is on that

allowed up to like $600 a year in free stuff without ever having to pay taxes or anything

hopefully this tree still makes it. i mean it is somewhere in KC afterall

[hollow glacier]

progress yo

[last cedar]

It is 13.54 öre, so 0.1354 NOK

But he lives with polarbears and reindeer

[forest edge]

english please

[static schooner]

I don't know how they get the polar bears to run on treadmills

I assume that's the secret to energy generation in the arctic

[forest edge]

is that the real cause of them dying out? strokes while on treadmills?

[static schooner]

Gotta fatten them up so they can generate electricity over the winter

[clear ferry]

No, øre == 100th of a krone

[lone dagger]

PTA board meeting ✅
Lights on the tree ✅

Time to get mad at troubleshooting Tuya.

[last cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/scp1730-writing-glyphs-cryptid-gif-17221470

[last cedar]

It would be better if you fixed it, instead of getting mad at it

[forest edge]

by fix.. throw away

[last cedar]

I have a single tuya thing

And it doesn't work right when I add it to HA 🤣

[lone dagger]

I think I may just need to accept that I cannot get their scenes to work and just use them as if they were dumb lights. But I’m stubborn and bought them for the RGB.

DO MY BIDDING

[clear ferry]

[last cedar]

I mean, you paid for 16.7M colours, of course you want them all

[lone dagger]

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/rookie-numbers-gif-26135237

[last cedar]

Which is the channel for troubleshooting tuya btw?

Integrations?

[lone dagger]

Yeah.

[last cedar]

Tyvm

[forest edge]

#botspam

[last cedar]

See you there then, I guess Missy 🤣

[lone dagger]

I’ll get there eventually. I need to do more troubleshooting by myself first. I’m not done yet. But no one likes helping with Tuya stuff - I’m well aware I’m mostly on my own now. But if there’s a bug here I want to get it reported properly.

[last cedar]

I think I will just have to make a work around, a bit like you might have to

[lone dagger]

Yep. But workarounds are complicated. Often need templates.

Templates are confusing af for me.

[primal laurel]

Same

Can't even add it

Just fails

[last cedar]

Yeah, mine is for a dehumidifier, so I would need to make a whole "framework" for how it should run

[lone dagger]

There are several different integrations for Tuya. The core version is subpar imho.

The one I’m using now has the best flexibility so far, but there is something broken with effects.

[last cedar]

It normally is set to 55% rh, so it goes and sleeps (turned on) and runs the fan every once in a while to see if it is above 55% and if it starts.

Atm it is 39% rh there.

As soon as I add tuya to ha, the fan runs 24/7 and I guess the actual dehumidifing bit will cycle on and off.

[forest edge]

tuyaconvert?

[lone dagger]

I just can’t figure out what…

[last cedar]

Oh, I didn't realise there were different ones

[lone dagger]

There’s at least a dozen from what I’ve been told. I’ve worked with 3.

[last cedar]

The tuya app acts exactly as intended, so it isn't between that and the actual unit, I think it is how it is presented to HA

[lone dagger]

Current one is Tuya Local.

I guess I’ll get on my computer now lol.

[clear ferry]

Tuya Zigbee is fine

Wifi stuff is fine if it can be flashed

If not, it goes in the bin

[lone dagger]

I dunno if this can be flashed.

Oh yeah, I was downloading pictures from OneDrive to delete.

[forest edge]

i had a pair of Lumary controllers which were tuya. couldn't get them to flash so away they went

[last cedar]

I just realised I am on 2024.3.3 wowzers

[lone dagger]

Uhhhhhh

Michelle.

HOW?

[clear ferry]

Racoons hibernate for 9 months

[last cedar]

I was on 0.96.5 before that

[clear ferry]

Checks out

[last cedar]

So please don't judge

[last cedar]

Lazyness

[lone dagger]

Nah, I will absolutely judge you.

[last cedar]

It is okay

[lone dagger]

[grizzled gull]

lazyness?

[last cedar]

Instead of updating it, and debian 11, and such, I am just reinstalling it all on a new machine

[grizzled gull]

if its HAOS its 1 button, if its a container... it could be 1 button too depending on how you run it

[lone dagger]

We met a lot of people at GitHub Universe who haven't touched their HA in well over a year.

[grizzled gull]

If it works why touch it

[forest edge]

that really shouldn't be a shock

[lone dagger]

I didn't say it was. 😄

I just stated a fact of our trip.

[last cedar]

It is just a single line to update docker compose, so there is no excuse really

[forest edge]

my farm instance never changes in terms of me messing with it.. so there should be real no point updating it every single month

[last cedar]

Apart from hibernation ofc

[grizzled gull]

I'm also lazy and do things that many of you would frown upon......(auto update containers 😛 )

[clear ferry]

Disgusting

[grizzled gull]

but I also back up stuff every 2 days and keep it for a month

[clear ferry]

Only a month?

[forest edge]

lol backup

[last cedar]

But then I realised that I was running debian 11 and I wanted a machine to lab on, so I grabbed (today) a new blue iris box, will move the old one to debian 12 for home assistant and other dockers

[clear ferry]

I keep 4 years of zfs snapshots

[forest edge]

buckups are for the weak

[grizzled gull]

For containers only a month, because hopefully if I break something that bad I discover it within a few days 🙂

[last cedar]

Lab machine might end up being a minecraft server though

[ocean oar]

Basically this, but for computers

[last cedar]

What is TR for designation?

Aha, Turkey

[lone dagger]

I just clicked update while switching off that backup option.

[grizzled gull]

btw, anyone else getting daily Bubble and Frigate card updates? Kinda wish they would just do a bigger release lol, I have this obsession of having no notifcations/skips

[forest edge]

I don't ever backup addons in haos

I really don't even see why one would

[grizzled gull]

Kinda the same attitude i have with containers

[primal laurel]

Because i don't want to lose my add-on configs

That would suck

[lone dagger]

YOLO STEFAN

YOLO

[forest edge]

your one line?

[primal laurel]

I'm risk averse

[lone dagger]

One of these days I will regret not having a back up, I am sure.

Right now, all of my shit is pretty easy to set back up.

Just annoying if I have to do that.

[primal laurel]

You don't need backups until you need backups

[lone dagger]

Except these Tuya lights.

[forest edge]

I do backups of the os every once in a blue moon

[grizzled gull]

Just do what I did when my virtual machine got corrupted and i realized my backup wasn't working.... start all over with a new challange(I went with containers versus HAOS)

[forest edge]

i'm not THAT crazy

[primal laurel]

Like insurance for when your house catches fire

[hot ridge]

"WTH can't I backup just my tuya config"

[primal laurel]

WTH can't I just nuke all tuya devices with a single button

[lone dagger]

technobrat is my new ChatGPT for WTH posts.

[last cedar]

Just get a big EMP, you can nuke everything! Not just tuya

[primal laurel]

When skynet finally comes and your house is full of tuya stuff guess who dies first?

[lone dagger]

I only have 2 and they are outside.

I think I am safe.

For now.

If I had smart locks I would probably be more worried.

[grizzled gull]

They are on thier own vlan right?

[lone dagger]

Door unlocks itself and lets the lights in to choke us.

[primal laurel]

EMP the WiFi enabled fridge, which has been part of the botnet for a few years

[lone dagger]

Kind of. They are on an extender connected to the AP.

[forest edge]

the irony in an official employee actually using tuya to begin with

[lone dagger]

You know Franck is the maintainer for the core integration, right?

[forest edge]

don't recall him publicly stating the usage

maybe behind closed doors..

[static schooner]

Somebody had to pick it up when Tuya abandoned it, right?

[forest edge]

lol

[lone dagger]

Did Tuya used to support it???

[static schooner]

I thought there was a bunch of excitement that they were working closely with NC and then just dropped the ball

I think they wrote the integration, or provided something

[forest edge]

I vaguely remember something on that

was before they rewrote thier api and gave access

[lone dagger]

Likely before my time.

😄

Sometimes I get context as things crop up again.

[forest edge]

tuya dosen't seem quite as wide spread these days as they use too

[desert cave]

I was noticing that! Two line code change, time for a new release! lol

[lone dagger]

There are still 25% of users sharing analytics using the Core version.

[forest edge]

sure there are still tons of stuff out there under diffrent brand names using it but when I go hunting I don't feel flooded with them like I use to in the past

[grizzled gull]

I don't even know what version of Tuya integration I use, I just know its web based and it works for the most part lol

[forest edge]

"the most part" lol

[grizzled gull]

I don't use it for anything critical.... rgb outside lights and a really cheap floor robot for the basement that runs when I remember about it

[hollow glacier]

rgb lights are critical

[grizzled gull]

The robot just bounces off of things too, its like pinball

[forest edge]

I would consider that second part but afraid the super cheap floor robots wouldn't suck up cat litter as well as I would like

[grizzled gull]

its downstairs because it went down the stairs 1 to many times

We live in a split level house

[lone dagger]

Ours picks it up well, but we also have a Roborock designed to pick up pet messes.

[desert cave]

whenever someone makes a robot vacuum that can handle cleaning stairs, they'll make a fortune

[forest edge]

yea and that don't sound "cheap" to me lol

[atomic delta]

Honestly I haven't had many issues with Tuya just using the zigbee devices via ZHA. They're cheap, sure, but basic sensors and such seem to work fine. I'd never touch their wifi products though.

[lone dagger]

I think I bought this on sale and it was $300? Maybe. I don't remember. lol

[grizzled gull]

I do have some zigbee tuya RGB light controllers but they work just fine and are completely stable

[forest edge]

zigbee tuya is ok, noone is saying those arent.. the exception to the rule lol

[desert cave]

I'm bad about remembering to do things, so I just have HA kick off my vacuums (1 for each floor) every other day.. It's been pretty good at getting me to keep things picked up

[lone dagger]

I wish mine were Zigbee now.

[forest edge]

I have a few zigbee tuya stuff and they work perfectly fine

[atomic delta]

Other than their solar rain sensor. That thing was a POS and hasn't been detected in over a month.

[desert cave]

Q5 pro? :D

[lone dagger]

Yep!

[desert cave]

yee! That's what I have.. works great!

[lone dagger]

It's only $140 right now! https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0C7VLHMQR

[desert cave]

(the "pets" are my housemates, who all have long hair lol)

[lone dagger]

The rubber brushes are

[forest edge]

can't justify 140 for a small basement with concrete floor just for sucking up tracked cat litter as the terrors evacuate the vicinity

[lone dagger]

Ah, yeah, mine is for my home.

[nimble flint]

I've got two Roborock 6;s

Bought them in mid 2020 during Covid. Great sales. Batteries now nothing like where they were. Definitely an advancement from the Bissel/iRobot ones (trash) we had in the past. We still have them and they definitely "do their job" well

I know they have 8s now? 9s? I don't even know

Have one per floor and.. if you don't own one: They won't do a deep clean or anything close; it's not a big 15a normal vacuum.

However, once you get into a routine running them? It definitely gets the stuff you normally would have to get weekly or bi-weekly with a vacuum.

It takes you from about a 5 on vacuuming down to a 2 or 2.5. It saves some work. It helps between deep cleans.

We have two cats

[desert cave]

I got the Q5 for upstairs to try out, then my housemate spent way too much on an S8 max, since everything downstairs is hard floors and they wanted the auto mopping ability. It's neat! but $1800 for a vacuum/mop is a bit spendy for me, lol

[grizzled gull]

Anyone want to second check a simple automation for me, still learning, switched from NodeRed when I had my event 😛

no!

[deft pewter]

You're a regular. I've seen you rant about people asking for support in here.

You should know better 😉

[grizzled gull]

lol

I was going to post in automations, I just wanted quicker response 😛

[deft pewter]

So does everyone else. And it'd be a shitshow if they all did it here.

[ocean oar]

Honestly I feel sometimes like just leaning into it and renaming this channel #memes-and-shitposting would achieve a better outcome

[cerulean karma]

We already have #memes, so this would only be #shitposting then

[ocean oar]

I'm good with that

[crisp oriole]

But there is no mental support in shitposting.

[grizzled gull]

lol

[cerulean karma]

Some would call it therapy...

We also learned yesterday that the water cooler is spiked with Vodka so...

[grizzled gull]

Well..... we were talking about DSM and ICD10 yesterday

[cerulean karma]

Oh, that's the mental support.

[forest edge]

well shitposting in itself could be considered mental support if you really think about it

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/bh187-demolitionman-headache-please-stop-please-no-gif-19216095

[cerulean karma]

This is after the seashells?

[grizzled gull]

Definately before....

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/violation-verbal-moralities-demolition-man-sylvester-stallone-fines-gif-8127365289701534176

[grizzled gull]

That works as TP too

Might be a littel rough though

[cerulean karma]

I gotta rewatch that movie, it's been decades
Edit: It's Demolition Man (1993) for those who don't recognize the memes

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/demolition-man-police-police-officers-not-trained-inexperienced-gif-21450511

[iron granite]

Or Judge Dredd.

[grizzled gull]

Thats Demolition Man right?

Wesley Snipes with the knitting thing was great

[cerulean karma]

We're closer to 2032 than to 1993 now...

[grizzled gull]

yeah.... ever seen the worlds fair from the 50s?

[cerulean karma]

Or if you have a link you know contains the good pics, please share to spare me the searching 🙂

[grizzled gull]

They thought we'd have flying cars and all sorts of fun technology, all we really have are lights that turn on when we go into the bathroom and an AI that gives people extra arms

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/the-jetsons-gif-15626885

[cerulean karma]

Ah, you mean the general futuristic optimism, not something specific to the 1950 fair.

[forest edge]

the flying cars thing seems to be the biggest disappoint. it's brought up a lot over the years lol

technically we do have them

[cerulean karma]

I wouldn't want one, tbf. I can barely get mechanics for my non-flying car that can change more than a tyre.

[forest edge]

just not in the vision they were given back then

[cerulean karma]

"laws of physics" and small details like that.

[forest edge]

yea, I think it was magnetics or something they were saying it was going to be

basically the flubber car

[cerulean karma]

I vaguely remember being 6-ish and "inventing" flying cars by strapping a big'ol magnet on a pole to the top the car😅

[forest edge]

the irony of how much more innovative people were on that subject back then vs now.

they made all kinds of cool vehicles back then

not just flying stuff

[cerulean karma]

I mean, the rules and regulations we have now help safety so I can't be 100% against them.

[forest edge]

yea stifled progression lol

[cerulean karma]

But yeah, there were jet powered cars, for darn sakes

[forest edge]

yup instead we shifted towards investing trillions into ai and this is what we got from it

https://tenor.com/view/will-smith-eating-spaghetti-will-smith-spaghetti-ai-gif-12546117032276153065

[cerulean karma]

That's the "baby drawing" part of its development, the current models are way scarier in their accuracy.

I can't say anything bad about the concept of AI in theory, we already offload more and more of our brain effort to devices

But just like what you said about innovation in cars settling down from the "wild west" years because of regulations, it's gonna take time for the rules to be ironed out for AI too.

[lone dagger]

Don't worry. I'll replace all the mods with this. https://www.artisanai.me/

[tepid mango]

Hi, random question does anyone know if Everything Presence Zone Configurator will end up working with athom sensors? if not, does anyone know of anything similar to it?

[forest edge]

that site refuses to load for me.. you sure you didn't just infect yourself? lol

[iron granite]

Their Discord might know

[static schooner]

Water cooler says 🤷

[tepid mango]

oh i didn't know they had their own discord but makes sense that they would. Thank you

[cerulean karma]

Me neither, but I clicked on the first search engine result instead of the above link -- I think the site is down.

[forest edge]

Missy broke it.. good job

[cerulean karma]

The AI employees unionized?

[forest edge]

Must be ran by tuya

[austere anchor]

Dystopia: Achieved

[atomic delta]

I'll accept a world run by AI overlords just as soon as they accept UBI for the humans.

[austere anchor]

For that to work, you’d have to increase corporate tax relative to income tax since less people will have jobs… I have a funny feeling that’s not where we’re headed.

[atomic delta]

I mean, sounds good to me, but yeaaaaah...

[weak musk]

These ads are all over the Bay Area too

[cerulean karma]

The center artisan really looks like a villain in a sitcom

[lone dagger]

Yeah, that’s how I found it, my husband saw it on Reddit and I was like “yeah that’s in SF.”

[weak musk]

😭

[lone dagger]

We live in a wild time.

[grizzled gull]

you mean like how united health care uses AI to wrongly decline a large percentage of claims(that being said I don't blame AI, I blame programmers)

[austere anchor]

I blame the PMs.

[atomic delta]

I don't blame programmers, I blame the people telling programmers what the program requirements are.

[tidal bronze]

@forest edge yep it's 70 in LA 😀

[austere anchor]

Who probably blame the execs.

[grizzled gull]

I agree with that

[lone dagger]

It’s a combination of a lot of things.

[austere anchor]

Who blame the board. Who blame the shareholders

[grizzled gull]

bu tyou get the jist, its not really AI

[lone dagger]

But it’s mostly poor decisions and terrible training data.

[weak musk]

Shareholder value?

[lone dagger]

Yes it can really be boiled down to that. Shortcuts are often taken because of that.

[grizzled gull]

I think people are told to blame AI but I is just doing what its setup to do

[hollow glacier]

interesting.. you should be able to use this with any LD2450

[lone dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-yup-yes-ok-okay-gif-16686850996694572245

[grizzled gull]

AI isn't sentient..... yet

[atomic delta]

AI isn't AI yet.

[austere anchor]

The thing that’s so weird about public companies is the shareholder value concept. As if user value weighed against cost of production wasn’t enough… you can have a “stable” private company that makes enough money to pay its people and delivers value without a “growth” requirement, but you can’t really do then when public. Well, you can if you offer large dividends, but companies don’t.

[grizzled gull]

We have the largest private company in the world in Minnesota, they treat their employees well and their owners make massive $$

Maybe not worlds, but definately US

[atomic delta]

I fear the day Valve ends up in the hands of someone who makes it public.

[grizzled gull]

Cargil

[tidal bronze]

Needs to go public

[atomic delta]

I'm in Nevada. Our private companies are mostly casinos and brothels.

(okay, there are a ton more, but who's counting?)

[shell basalt]

those are the only ones that matter

[atomic delta]

Exactly

[lone dagger]

I tell everyone who asks that my favorite thing about working at NC is that we don't answer to investors or VCs. There is a huge freedom we get with that.

[grizzled gull]

NC?

oh nm

uggg

[crisp oriole]

Nabucasa

[grizzled gull]

Yeah I know, took me a second

[crisp oriole]

NABUCASA!!!

i wonder if that will be ever a warcry

[atomic delta]

"Okay Nabu, fire zee missiles!"

[grizzled gull]

Hmmm wonder if that means my subscription means I pay part of Missy's salary.....

[crisp oriole]

I have missy on trail

[atomic delta]

Now I kinda want a foam dart launcher integration for HA.

[grizzled gull]

That makes me wonder if I could get frigate to identify deer and then turn on a sprinkler when they are in my garden if I put a camera there....

or heck zones within frigate to turn on specifci sprinklers for different garden beds...

[static schooner]

The Frigate+ model supports deer

[grizzled gull]

I'm looking forward to facial recognition being built into Frigate btw, I thought I read somewhere that was in the works

I'd definately pay money for that

[atomic delta]

Note: feature only enabled if you agree to uploading hilarious videos from it.

[static schooner]

To recognize specific deer?

[grizzled gull]

If that was in response to my comment, sorry I went off on a tangent

[atomic delta]

What? No one goes off on tangents here. Never.

[static schooner]

I just figured that you had a vendetta against one deer

[grizzled gull]

Actually deer don't bother me nearly as much as mice

well not Mice, VOLES

[crisp oriole]

D fot deeretta

[grizzled gull]

now I'm curious if there is a wifi solor powered camera that doesn't suck that works with Frigate

[atomic delta]

There are YouTube videos of people making squirrel eject mechanisms for their yards, could probably do one for voles with the right bait.

[atomic delta]

I'd imagine you'd be better off setting up solar power separately rather than attempting to find a decent camera with solar.

[grizzled gull]

I was just thinking that too

get a 17 volt panel and a 12 volt battery

[atomic delta]

Anyone know what distance PoE usually works over?

Never looked into max length on it.

Nevermind, looked it up, 100m.

I have a no-name PoE security camera setup that I've never actually taken out of the box, because the house is large and running cable is a pain. Could probably manage with longer cables though.

[forest edge]

5Ghz wifi cameras are generally pretty solid.. just throwing that out there

[ocean oar]

I have a bit of trouble with my doorbell camera, but the exterior cladding of the house is aluminium, and the closest places where I could put access points doesn't make for the most amazing coverage

Still works fine, but it complains about the signal strength

[forest edge]

mine sits between a bay window and a steel door with a security glass door infront of it. but the access point is within the room on the other side of the wall

[hollow glacier]

i got a fancy new doorbell cam with the secondary package cam

[ocean oar]

I spy Hue

[austere anchor]

I had the same issue because I have stucco, so there is chicken wire underneith acting like a Faraday cage. Switched to a PoE doorbell instead.

[forest edge]

eufy or uni-🤢 -fy?

[ocean oar]

That is 100% the unifi interface

[forest edge]

I will say when they first dropped that doorbell with the screen it looked cool

[hollow glacier]

are you asking if im using a chinese company's hardware or usa hardware?

i prefer the NSA having a backdoor over the CCP

[forest edge]

its all the same in the end really

[hollow glacier]

i like my unifi silver

[forest edge]

where else do you think the CCP get most of thier information?

[atomic delta]

I want no one to have my information. Except nabu casa anyway, I actually enabled telemetry in HA.

Honestly, I'm wary of even having wifi-based devices, other than things that have to be, like modern TVs.

Smart device wise, that is.

[forest edge]

why? your cell phone which holds most if not all of your most crucial information is and noway around it lol

[atomic delta]

I run a rooted phone with a bunch of crap blocked. It may be hopeless, but that won't stop me trying.

[crisp oriole]

I got a vpn on my phone to my home network and then a vpn to the internet

[atomic delta]

I have a VPN on my phone to the internet, a VPN on my home network to the internet, and an SSH connection backward over said VPN to my home network because I can't get a static IP over starlink.

[crisp oriole]

Ddns helps.

[atomic delta]

I mean, I need to set up something for my HA outside the house, but for now I've been content with using the VPN to access my home network.

[primal laurel]

What's up with the drone invasions lol

[atomic delta]

Drone invasions?

[primal laurel]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-14189931/flying-drone-invasion-new-jersey-states-live-updates.html

Bizarre stories

[grizzled gull]

Did I break my DNS?

[hollow glacier]

depends can you ping smarthomesellout.com?

[grizzled gull]

I've been messing around with a container for caching game's since we have 3 PC's and 2 steam decks in the house, and I'm now double DNSed, Adguard to Lanache to 8.8.8.8 and discord went goofy for a bit, but it seems to be back

[hollow glacier]

like dns rewrites for lan?

fancy

[grizzled gull]

it basically intercepts steam servers and downloads it to my NAS instead

[hollow glacier]

ye

[grizzled gull]

HD's are cheap, NVME's are not

[hollow glacier]

unraid server?

[grizzled gull]

yep

look up lancache and lancache-DNS

[hollow glacier]

this is my old beast lol

i think she's old enough to vote

[grizzled gull]

I run mealie too, it was my wife's christmas present along with a mounted tablet in the ktichen

whats adguard homesync do? update rules?

[hollow glacier]

i live alone i couldnt benefit from an ERP so i dont really use it lol

adguardhome sync will sync multiple adguard home instance's configs yo

[grizzled gull]

Have you upgraded to the 7.0 RC1?

I was running beta 4 previously, its nice

I just upgraded to a 13600k as it was on sale on amazon for black friday, spent about 350 dollars on a new setup, my payoff time will be about 3 years over my 5700x in just electricity, and I gained IGPU transcoding for emby

[hollow glacier]

god no

i have an extra box for that but i booted it up a month ago and the btrfs pool corrupted so i just shut it down and said goodnight.. that's a 2025 me problem

[hollow glacier]

you want from amd to intel? blasphemy

[primal laurel]

for a gaming PC?

[lone dagger]

Okay. petro helped me out significantly. My lights almost fully work.

[weak musk]

That’s almost awesome!

[grizzled gull]

Unraid server.

[static schooner]

With Tuya, that's pretty much a walk off grand slam

[grizzled gull]

First Intel chip since a 4790k 🙂

Everything else is AMD, 2 7800x3ds and a 3800x, going to updating one of the 7800s to a 9800 and the 3800 will get donated

[primal laurel]

hardware wise that chip is barely an upgrade, so its only for the igpu?

[grizzled gull]

Honestly it's for the idle performance and single thread, plus I donated existing setup to a local non profit

Who's gonna to use it as a flight simulator box

Old setup idled around 110-120 watts new setup idled around 50

Plus it transcodes frigate and emby on a igpu instead of my 1050ti

[primal laurel]

that's not cpu. you had a gpu in the old system?

[grizzled gull]

If I have to run gpu to do the same thing an igpu will do then I must consider both when talking about power draw

Either way the gpu/cpu is going to help some kids too, so I don't mind the side grade

[austere anchor]

My gaming PC is still running a 2500K from 11 years ago. I’m promising to reward myself with an upgrade once my kids go to public school and I have a little bit more money and time. I haven’t been keeping track of where Intel and AMD sit lately though. My PC before this was a first gen amd64.

I’ve been drawn to AMD, but the are there other reasons to lean towards Intel lately, other than their iGPU?

[primal laurel]

no

[forest edge]

AMD/Radeon has always been kind of finicky under certain circumstances in the past. Dealing with Radeon issues alone left a pretty bad taste in my mouth. Not something I have ever had to deal with a single time using intel/nvidia

[primal laurel]

AMD is now a different company from what people remember

[grizzled gull]

I agree I'm running a 7900xtx its been a decent card, especially now that FSR 3 is out

[nimble flint]

yeah I went back to AMD in like 2016 on my most recent build - not video

last year, I did a 7900x, 64gb ddr5 and a 3090fe. Screamin ML machine. Didn't even check intel's offerings at the time

[grizzled gull]

I'm running a 7800x3d/7900xtx setup, but its gaming.

[nimble flint]

I basically built a gaming rig to have a badass workstation

[acoustic cloak]

hello i got a newbie question not sure where to drop it. I am new to coding, i am coding on vscode using python and run it through docker.
I guess i build the code in python then move to docker? or how does this work exactly im sorry for my lack of knowledge

[static schooner]

It's not clear what you're trying to do

[grizzled gull]

OMG, I've been living in the stone ages and didn't even know it..... my drop from my switch to my desktop had dropped to 100mbit connection,

[static schooner]

If you're developing something for Home Assistant, https://developers.home-assistant.io/

[acoustic cloak]

yeah im so new to this im sorry.

I am trying to develop home assistant.

i am just trying to make sure while i follow these videos / articles i am coding in the right spot and not have to re write something. i dont know exactly how docker works.

[static schooner]

Just follow the instructions there

[forest edge]

if you didn't know it then whats the issue? other than maybe you are paying too much for faster internet? lol

[grizzled gull]

meh I only have 120mbit internet

so wouldn't have noticed it 🙂

But I installed a cacheing software for steam since now that steam family sharing makes more sense, I just had it download all our games to my NAS, but I really confused when my install was going at 12MB a second lol

[unborn merlin]

I hope at least one drone had speakers playing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VE03Lqm3nbI 🤣

funny harmless menacing with drones. 😛

[grizzled gull]

on a total tangent, managed 2.5G switches really have come down in price

[unborn merlin]

yeah I'm not to the point of needing full switches yet..

building my new media server/home server/NAS right now.. aliexpress motherboard (one of the ones that slaps a modern 14th gen on a regular mainboard) + truenas scale probably + a 10g card to uplink directly to my desktop probably..

[grizzled gull]

me either, but just looking at prices, I'd be totally fine with a 2.5 unmanaged switch, but it was more of an observation

[unborn merlin]

aliexpress speciall.. dual port 10g cards got them for like.. 15$/ea

RJ45; but good enough for short runs in my house.

[grizzled gull]

I'm just going to put a SFP 10gig card in my unraid box and then have it serve the switch thats like 4 feet from it and then 2.5g through out the hose since its all Cat6a(I think or is it 6 I forget)

[unborn merlin]

meh, either will handle 10g even for short (relatively speaking) links assuming you didn't ham-fist terminations.

😄

so 2.5g should be fine

but.. anyways..

Time to throw together a basic 3d model of the motherboard so I have soemthing to work around in fusion....

🤔

.. also need to do some chopping and soldering of these miniSAS breakout cables because having these giant molex 4pin plugs is stupid on each..

then maybe see if I can maybe hack my motherboard's bios to get bifurcation going so I can use that 16x fully instead of just half utilized with the 9300-16i card.

[forest edge]

2.5G is bs

they came out with 5G before and had to work on reducing that down

[grizzled gull]

The only reason I'd even consider going 2.5g is if I ever get my 2g fiber, then it would make sense, but for 99% of my stuff 1G works just fine and apparenntly 100m works for my desktop.... :/

[forest edge]

not a whole lot of cases where above 1G is really warranted currently. Sure downloading games, streaming multiple 4k and big file work/pleasure related stuff but other than that.. nope

[grizzled gull]

I'm not even sure I would say above 1g is needed for 4k streaming, even the highest streams are only like 60-90Mbit

even streaming a raw blueray at ultra HD is a max of 128Mpbs

[weak musk]

2.5g switching etc is definitely helpful for internal networking. But 1g or higher internet is definitely not required for nearly anything.

[distant jewel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBSx1MIzFPg already works with Homeassistant

[forest edge]

it's crazy how on cloudy days the amount of light reflected back down is enough to make the color night vision cameras see perfectly fine without the use of thier own light and with no other ambient light sources around

@last cedar poor thing is looking in rough shape. think one it's front legs is injured as well.

[short forge]

heyo

[vale acorn]

Yeah, I don't think you need it for streaming video. I have 3 nas/k8s nodes clustered together at 40g (ring topology, fixed routes, no switch), but 1g to my desktop is doing fine for now. I might short-term 10g the nas cluster to my main switch, and do have a 40g switch that I'll transfer stuff to and optically wire a route to each room in the house with -- if I can get the switch to be much quieter -- but that's more for file transfer, backup, and other batch jobs.

[glacial knot]

What sort of workloads do you run to use 40G links at home?

[short forge]

I am planning to create the ultimate server. It shall become my everything

what is the beefiest graphics card i could get for 500€?

[forest edge]

ok dark mode in firefox is gross

[crisp oriole]

great, i got viber but the provider sucks. the default modem cant even set a local dns

[forest edge]

should try fiber next

[crisp oriole]

well as far i know kpn has monopoly the 1st year.

oh no they havent.

guess a frutzel box is also a good modem

and its cheaper than ziggo. can also slower on my bandwith because it has good upload

[desert cave]

Are you building a server or a gaming rig?

If it's a server, put the lowest power GPU you can find in it. Anything more is a waste there

[nimble flint]

I get a "notification" on my LG Thinq (Oven) and wanted to configure notifications. I don't see any events under automations for the device that match this. I haven't done any disabling or configuring. Was thinking that some of the properties aren't setup right to become automations? Is there a way to tell that

[crisp oriole]

An ollama server....

[hollow glacier]

i get it, i just cant support new gen intel given how shitty intel has shown themselves to be. i'm very much a vote with my wallet and voice person

[solar zealot]

pretty much yea

[rich sphinx]

honestly, I'm contemplating the Intel B580 GPU to run in a Home Assistant setup down the line

[hollow glacier]

im really only talking about building out a pc or server, if you need a mini pc i still like the n100 series but i will definitely never buy an intel gpu that isnt used (like a quadro)

[primal laurel]

Intel fucked up but it's better for everyone if their GPU succeeds, even if you dont buy it

[rich sphinx]

I'd probably run an Intel Core 3 or 5 with an Intel GPU for it

The B580 with its 12GB VRAM would be great for Ollama

[hollow glacier]

my hate for shitty companies has no bounds

[rich sphinx]

As if AMD wouldn't do the same if they were able to, given they're also a publicly traded company

[primal laurel]

Do what exactly?

[rich sphinx]

The scummy stuff that sellout hates Intel for

Unfortunately any publicly traded company is going to be scummy by default. They have to be in order to try and maximise profit (and if they don't maximise profit they get sued or replaced by the shareholders)

So I take the approach of if I'm gonna have to choose between publicly traded companies, might as well pick the one that best fits my needs, as it's a pick your poison situation

[primal laurel]

Oh well, yeah all big tech is evil in some way

Google is obviously. And if you look at decisions made by apple, it's never in best interest for the consumer

[rich sphinx]

Microsoft are no better either. Nor are Intel, AMD, Nvidia, Qualcomm, Samsung, etc

[primal laurel]

I have a special hate for Apple

[iron granite]

Have you tried bananas?

[primal laurel]

I hate Bananas

I love bananas

[iron granite]

[deft pewter]

Strange. Even as someone that doesn't get on well with Apple's products at all, I can admit that they've built a fantastic set of products that work fabulously together. It's all about the convenience for consumers.

Sure, walled garden and all that. But that's what some people want.

[solar zealot]

They can continue enjoying what they enjoy while others have the choice

Nothing is forcing people to use alternatives for them being an alternative l

[deft pewter]

Sure. So there's choice - which isn't anti-consumer in the slightest.

[solar zealot]

Except for that there isnt

[deft pewter]

TIL only Apple make devices and you can't choose others.

[solar zealot]

Calling switching between two brands a choice is genuinely wrong

That's just deciding between who you want to bind you in their services

Being able to mix as desired,that's what choice would be

[deft pewter]

Bound 🤣

[solar zealot]

It would be funny it that wouldn't be what is happening

[deft pewter]

No-one's holding guns to heads, literally or figuratively. And nothing locks you in for life once you've chosen. You could have an iPhone, Mac, Apple Watch and Airpods one year, then chuck it all in the trash and switch to Android the next year.

Sure, you might want to move stuff like photos being different cloud services, but that's a mild (and expected) inconvenience.

[solar zealot]

Why would anything need to be an inconvenience

All of those issues we experience with phones have been solved on desktop systems for decades

[deft pewter]

Why would you expect there to be no inconveniences? Getting to work is an inconvience. Having to eat so you don't starve is an inconvenience.

Steamline things, sure. But very few things are zero effort.

[solar zealot]

I'm not quite sure if you are intentionally misunderstanding or just missing the point at any level
You can even try it out yourself

Move audio files to an ipad or iphone via usb

They won't show up in the library at all unless you either do the copy through a Mac or itunes

You can manually navigate to them and access them no issue

It's probably even one of the more gentle issues because that's not what happens often but it's there and it's been there since forever

Try doing a backup of the phone to a network share other than icloud

[primal laurel]

It's not about the products. It's about the philosophy of apple

[solar zealot]

Even MacOS can do that no issues

But you can backup the phone to a Mac to then store that on a network share

Makes sense

[deft pewter]

So you're saying that all of these perceived problems... have solutions? 🤯

Of course Apple make the iDevice-to-iDevice stuff the simplest. They want you to go all-in on their ecosystem. But you buy into the ecosystem knowing that's the case.

[solar zealot]

If you understand paying for more of their gear as a solution then you can't be helped

[deft pewter]

I don't buy a clapped-out three-wheeler car and expect to go off-roading in it.

[solar zealot]

Curious why a lot of those things work without those things on other brands

Must be that certain companies just don't have the capacities to do that kinda feature set

[deft pewter]

Because they didn't build a walled garden? 🤯

I'm not sure if you're intentionally misunderstanding or just missing the point

Not all businesses have to be alike. But Apple having these walled garden that people can freely enter and exit is still choice.

[solar zealot]

That's like saying people can choose to use the prison

There is no reason for why people who want to selectively use what fits their needs best shouldn't be able to do that

No buying another MacOS system to factory reset a MacOS system they already have isn't a goal to achieve

[deft pewter]

Exactly. Which is why you have all the non-Apple stuff to choose from if you want freedom and flexibility.

[solar zealot]

Again this isn't an apple exclusive issue

Apple just is a great example

There is no reason why Samsung limits the full sensor functionality of their watches to Samsung phones

Or why chargers were specific for their brands. Fortunately that's largely solved with pd

[primal laurel]

Because of Apple's greed people have been stuck with inferior lighting ports for years. Only when the EU enforced USB-C did charging and data transfer speeds come into the 21st century

[solar zealot]

Interestingly they didnt

They had USB 3 lightning on the last iPad pro before the M1 knes

But that didn't make it to any phones which then still been using V2 on USB c

Makes no sense but that's not a deal breaker for most

Can always move all the prores footage through wifi

[grizzled gull]

While I do agree greed is a component of it, I also think lightning ports are more robust then USB-C

[solar zealot]

It's not so much a bad connector than it is a closed standards with tons of money to be paid towards apple

Like the auth chips that need to be in the cables

[deft pewter]

I've only had a single USB-C go bad on me. Annoyingly, it's on an expensive monitor and is the main port for the KVM functionality 🙀

[solar zealot]

They come to the conclusion fairly early that this will not be the way moving forward

Like else they would have but lightning on macbooks

[deft pewter]

They acquiesced

[solar zealot]

Unfortunately at the expense of consumers with how long they hold out of switching over

A bit unfortunate that they didn't make the magsafe from notebooks work out on phones

Probably seen how those connectors didn't last on other devices

[deft pewter]

Magsafe were a nice idea. I would've loved to see magnetic connectors take off across all products. But I'm sure there were patent/licensing issues there to prevent it 😅

[solar zealot]

They also suffer the same issues of headphone jacks where the spring loaded connectors wear out over time

It's great to see on surface tabs where after a couple of years the keyboards no longer work

Scaling this down to be more of a phone size probably would make this more difficult

But the next best thing is induction charging

They only added that after being forced by the microwave their phone crowd

[grizzled gull]

huh?

[deft pewter]

Or. And this is a crazy idea. Maybe they added it because it's a feature people want and the competition were doing it already...

Qi is great. It just took off slowly.

[primal laurel]

Nah they're not. I'll be impressed if you can break a usb c port

[grizzled gull]

I have 1 faulty USB-C port on a phone

it kinda holds cables in

its also 4 years old and I'm hanging on for a new phone in less then month(oneplus 9 pro to oneplus 13)

[cerulean karma]

Most likely not broken, check for lint / dust inside it 🙂

[halcyon magnet]

Oh it's possible, just have someone try to force a lightning connecter into one, that's one expensive Leviton PD outlet down...

[cerulean karma]

Get a safety pin from a sewing kit and gently scrape around, you'll be surprised how much gunk is at the back of the port.

[grizzled gull]

Tried that

Least it has wireless charging, I'd be less annoyed except for the battery is toast too

Think last time I checked it, it was like 1200 mha 😛

But holding on for a new phone shortly

[cerulean karma]

I'm hanging on to my 4G Galaxy Note 10+ for dear life, can't reasonably justify any upgrade until it stop working altogether

[grizzled gull]

Honestly my Oneplus 9pro works just fine, but the back is broken the battery is shot and its been through some wars, its 4 years old I'm happy with what I got out of it

[cerulean karma]

True, it's lived 4 times its expected design age 😆

[hardy apex]

Didn't get wireless charging on my OP7 Pro, they left it out to upsell the OP8 Pro

[grizzled gull]

OP13 is looking really nice

[cerulean karma]

Mine is on it's second battery, and second exterior (screen/midframe/back glass), and still chugs along just fine.
Wireless charging / reverse charging, 12GB ram, beefy CPU, still get an all day battery life, I actually use the pen to take notes, etc

[deft pewter]

Are you trying to build Theseus' cell phone?

[austere anchor]

This is actually one of the things I like about lightning ports. Much easier to clean. One port on the phone without a thin tongue in the middle I’m worried about breaking. Though my old Nexus 5x didn’t get too linty. The tongue probably lets less lint in to begin with.

That said, I’m looking forward to all my devices using a single charger.

[last cedar]

Oh no

Have heard that if they can get to a quality food source that they are quite resilient

Lets be honest, it isn't wasting away

[solar zealot]

the ios8? hoax

[crisp oriole]

OH great. I need to restart home assistant. or else my edited voice automation goes in limbo....

[unborn merlin]

yeah but the "pay up bitch" is an integral apple feature.. 😛

[unborn merlin]

parrot robot with an LLM now to replace managers across the world.

[crisp oriole]

YUP need to restart every single time. to the bug machine!

[unborn merlin]

restart the voice automation.. or homeassistant? the latter seems like something broke.. 🤔

[marsh sand]

Hopefully I'm not asking this in the wrong spot, could someone point me in the right direction to view an integration's yaml configuration if it was initially configured using the webui?

[static schooner]

Integrations (discussed in #1284966582375813201 ) configured in the UI don't have a YAML configuration

[clear ferry]

Not wrong

[marsh sand]

Ah, learning my way through this stuff bit by bit. I'm trying to figure out how I could view/edit what HVAC modes an integration is reporting to HA. I found this post from someone who has nearly my same issue but theirs is with zwave and I'm experiencing this with matter https://github.com/home-assistant-libs/zwave-js-server-python/pull/693

[static schooner]

#1284966582375813201 is the place

[marsh sand]

Sounds good, I made a post in add-ons thinking it was something to do with the python matter server but I'll go ahead and take it over to integrations, thank you @static schooner

[shy reef]

Anyone have a home assistant ai that gets images piped to it so it's do real time observations? I figure someone has, just curious how it works.

[crisp oriole]

you can do it with google (somthing) AI

[shy reef]

I'm thinking something running locally with camera inputs

Like the typical AI you see in sci-fi movies

[crisp oriole]

o yeah. but that isnt home assistant

[shy reef]

I'm thinking of a llm for HA assist

[crisp oriole]

that is frigat if im correct with a google coral

[shy reef]

I'll check it out

Thanks

Weird. I work with AI and I never heard of coral. I wonder how I missed that

[marsh sand]

Not sure if I'm barking up the wrong tree here, I can make my AC unit properly go into dehimidifier mode by typing "dry" into the "State" text box, but I'm not sure how to permanently add this as a selectable HVAC mode so it shows up correctly on my dashboards as a selectable option

[lone dagger]

I think this would go into #1284966582375813201 since you are messing with entities/devices. There are tags for that in there.

It showing up on a dashboard would technically be separate, but hopefully solving the state will help with that.

Back to yesterday's struggles with Tuya.

I think I am just going to buy Zigbee lights fuck this shit.

[marsh sand]

If I type it in under hvac_modes and click "set state" it does exactly what I want it to do, "dry" appears as an option. As soon as I select that state and then select another one, it dissapears and when I come back to the page in my screenshot, my edit is reverted to "dry" not being listed

[last cedar]

The only sensible solution would be to make a mechanical computer to go to hvac modes and click set state, and then select dry

[marsh sand]

Might pursue a HACS solution though I was hoping to create awareness for the devs of the matter integration since I probably won't be the last person to encounter this

ok that's the play, it gives me all the features from the native Midea app, way more than just access to the additional HVAC modes

[grizzled gull]

More Tuya issues 😦

We aren't a help channel

[static schooner]

#find-support

[grizzled gull]

#find-support

Doh!!!!

[forest edge]

you should try and do what I suggested before. remove the tuya controller of the light and replace it with an esp or something. least it would be a learning experince

[grizzled gull]

or throw it in the wood chipper for satisfaction

[marsh sand]

Tuya has been a massive PITA for me, wood chipper is the play

[lone dagger]

Oh, the issue hasn't changed. petro helped out significantly, though.

[grizzled gull]

uhhhh you're welcome?

.... waiting for ban hammer

[marsh sand]

Quick question, I have a few devices that are associated with multiple integrations, and show all associations on the device page. How can I explicitly tell HA that certain devices that appear twice are the same thing?

[lone dagger]

I think this could happen. But I don't know if I really have the time to commit to doing all this.

[static schooner]

your questions all seem to belong in #1284966582375813201

[grizzled gull]

You know the worst part about banning folks? it makes me look like I'm talking to myself 😦

[forest edge]

no? can't work on it during the same time you bs with us? lol

[static schooner]

not that there's anything wrong with that

[grizzled gull]

as long as I don't answer my own questions right?

[static schooner]

or argue with yourself

[lone dagger]

Hahaha not really. Not unless I used stt to chat in here.

[marsh sand]

They're all in that general area, this one I considered more of a general interest inquiry though, not something involved enough to warrant a ticket

[last cedar]

Why stop at 2 days troubleshooting when you can make it a multiple month project?!

[static schooner]

there are no "tickets"

[lone dagger]

Ah, you have missed the beginning of this. This has been 2 weeks already.

[static schooner]

just post in the right place

[grizzled gull]

Because this isn't a tech channel, and any answers you get in here will be lost in the scroll

[marsh sand]

oh gotcha, the discussion format was very reminiscent of a support ticket queue, that's where I got the "ticket" idea from. Apologies for using the incorrect terminology

[last cedar]

To quote a famous British Prime Minister "when going through hell, keep going"

Update us in 2028 when you are done with it

[lone dagger]

I really am very close to just getting new lights at this point.

The last thing I have to try (outside of Sonoma's suggestion) is a script.

[last cedar]

I am still wondering if I can do a better job than my dehumidifier can at keeping it dry in the cellar or not 🤣

[lone dagger]

Because scenes aren't holding, it keeps fucking up the entity data.

[last cedar]

Did Sonomas solution require a raccoon sacrifice?

[grizzled gull]

Missy, I'm now curious what exactly are you trying to do?

[last cedar]

If it didn't it could be a solid idea

[lone dagger]

Get my lights to blink.

[forest edge]

require? no.. that's just for fun

[marsh sand]

How rapid of a blink pattern are you going for?

[last cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/burn-elmo-for-the-glory-of-satan-hell-meme-gif-9221018

[lone dagger]

Every couple seconds, it's not super rapid.

I can get a video.

[grizzled gull]

like blink with a trigger?

or just blink with no color change?

[lone dagger]

It works just fine in the Smart Life app. I can call it on the device page. It will not hold it in a scene.

[forest edge]

use a smart outlet and just trigger it on and off.. problem solved

[lone dagger]

No, between colors.

Blinking holiday lights.

[last cedar]

At this rate you could get a HA driven welding helmet and just dim your whole vision, instead of getting the lights to blink

[marsh sand]

I'm not seeing much activity in the correct spot, this channel has been the only place I've had success. I've been directed in the right direction a couple of times now in rectifying my issue(s)

[crisp oriole]

home assistant has boundaries 😦

[marsh sand]

ooh, I like it

[grizzled gull]

You don't know until you post it

[lone dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/upset-whining-ugh-crying-gif-4985536

[grizzled gull]

Missy the whole string blink at 1 time?

[marsh sand]

I did post it, then brought my question here after a while

[static schooner]

please don't do that

[grizzled gull]

and change color at each blink?

[crisp oriole]

there is a limit in the amount of voice automations hass can handle with out restarting hass every edit

[forest edge]

wasn't the change meant to encourage DM'ing yellow names?

[grizzled gull]

LOL

[last cedar]

If we (communitiy and devs )keep it going, the boundries will get smaller 🙂

I used to install multiroom audio systems and we could fire commands via rs232 or send out ir codes to control devices, 8 sources, 16 rooms.

Now look where we are!

[grizzled gull]

That reminds me of my highschool days almost 30 years ago with a Casio watch that had an IR transmitter in it

[last cedar]

You can literally make your voc sensor in your cat litter box flash your biohazard warning lights, from the comfort of your app in your phone

[lone dagger]

Yes.

[forest edge]

all this over 2 lights? lol

[lone dagger]

No, those are the only 2 you can see.

[forest edge]

just to blink between colors lol

[lone dagger]

lmao.

[static schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/sesame-street-disco-dance-big-bird-mr-snuffleupagus-gif-26501477

[lone dagger]

There are 12 lights total, 6 on each string.

[grizzled gull]

how many colors are you switching between?

[last cedar]

Plot twist: 3 lights

[lone dagger]

Literally that video.

That's all I want.

[static schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/there-are-four-lights-picard-fuck-your-bullshit-star-trek-kingdom-of-bullshit-gif-14936675848561176051

[grizzled gull]

Really jnust yellow and blue?

[lone dagger]

If I can't figure out the script myself, I will need to post a support thread.

[lone dagger]

*brown

It's the best way these lights show the "soft white".

[last cedar]

Just make sure you use the right channel, not putting it in here 😉

[grizzled gull]

And it does it forever? once its night time?

[lone dagger]

Look all I attempt to do in here is just bitch. People cannot stop themselves from asking questions.

[last cedar]

Seriously though, stuff like that is infuriating

[forest edge]

honestly think tuya has won the battle keeping you engaged for this long lol

[lone dagger]

I'm stubborn af.

I will try to bend tech to my will for a very long time.

[last cedar]

It would be funny if your neighbours have also paired it and their integration is overriding yours

Like those toothbrushes

[static schooner]

it would be more rewarding to train your pet to push a button regularly

[last cedar]

That you can "steal" from your neighboura

[lone dagger]

Nah, there really isn't anyone else in my immediate area with path lights like I have.

[forest edge]

yea thiers work lol

[lone dagger]

LOL no they just don't have them.

Or use solar lights.

[last cedar]

Probably a raccoon hiding in a tree with a sniffer and a sense of humour

[lone dagger]

No one is as dumb as I am here.

[static schooner]

a raccoon has entered the chat

[last cedar]

I wouldn't personally use lights like that, everything I try ends up leaking

But maybe something "proper" actually has a real IP rating

[forest edge]

plus you only get to see them uncovered from snow a few days of the year lol

[last cedar]

Funny you should say that, it rained and all the snow went away

[lone dagger]

Weird how unfrozen snow does that.

[last cedar]

Got my volvo on her winter tyres

Life is good

[grizzled gull]

Missy can I message you an idea?

[static schooner]

liquid snow

[last cedar]

We went from about -10 to 2C in about 12 hours

[lone dagger]

Yes.

[last cedar]

Yellow snow!!!

[grizzled gull]

Missy not sure how well that automation would work, but its worth a try, I'll laugh it it really was that simple and you've been frusterated this long 😦

[lone dagger]

The biggest problem I have had with these lights is that they do not like listening to automations or scenes.

So, while it may work, it may not work the RIGHT way.

It's gonna be annoying lol.

[grizzled gull]

I have sometimes have that issue with my 2 Tuya wifi lights, try rebooting your wifi access point every week

[clear ferry]

LOL

Rebooting access points, what is this boring dystopia

[grizzled gull]

Don't bash it until you try it 🙂

[lone dagger]

The lights work on and off just fine. And they listen when I tell them to do things outside of scenes and automations.

[clear ferry]

I've been deploying access points for 21 years, I know how to troubleshoot wireless devices

[lone dagger]

But they seem to be holding previous configuration no matter what I attempt.

[static schooner]

that usually implies an ordering or timing issue

[lone dagger]

And I have tried so many things to account for that.

[clear ferry]

Tuya nonsense is the problem here probably

[marsh sand]

Any brand recommendations in the Tuya price range that don't come with the headaches?

[lone dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/controlling-laugh-laughing-oh-god-thats-funny-funny-thats-hilarious-gif-12508676976800387052

[marsh sand]

I've got a few of their light strips that I kinda gave up on, wanted to do a holiday light thing similar to what you're describing, some blinking colors when it's dark out 🎄

[lone dagger]

Based on all this, I highly suggest finding something zigbee based. Just make sure you have a good zigbee mesh to support it.

[marsh sand]

Zigbee will be a new venture for me but everyone I've heard from says it's a pretty smooth experience

I'll have to go that route if I can ever get my stubborn ass to fully give up lol

[hollow glacier]

best i can do is $40 hue bulbs

[marsh sand]

Been eyeing them for years but just can't make myself drop that much

They do look solid though

[hollow glacier]

the rgbw isnt worth it

buy white or white+ambiance (color temp control) hue bulbs only imo

[marsh sand]

What's the price difference?

[hollow glacier]

$10 or $15 a bulb vs $40 lol

well depends on lumens but basically

[marsh sand]

That's significant, I didn't know their white only ones had dropped quite that much

[hollow glacier]

i just use DIY WLED led strips for color

https://www.amazon.com/Aqara-Requires-Gradient-2700-6500K-Supports/dp/B0CS2X8JMM this thing is sick tho

i bought two of them they look great

[marsh sand]

I think the Tuya strips I have could be hooked up, they look to have the same contacts on the side as other light strips I've seen

Are you hooking the strips up to an ESP board or something?

[hollow glacier]

please stop saying tuya it upsets me

[forest edge]

you ever think maybe scenes is your issue? especially if you are using them in the automations lol

[clear ferry]

Zigbee 4 lyfe

[hollow glacier]

Yea mostly diy in 3d printed cases

He tucked himself in

[forest edge]

kind of wished they knew a way to capture what the light color in the scene was set to when looking at in edit mode. I looked at mine after the update and you see is the devices used.. no idicator of what the settings captured whatsoever lol

[grizzled gull]

Missy waiting for a video to upload from my phone

Missy

If you do something different with the fading, would that work for you?

That a Tuya Light

[forest edge]

gross

[grizzled gull]

Hey I didn't say it was GOOD

[forest edge]

if that's a bulbless fixture shame on you

[grizzled gull]

My wife liked em

I try to fix what she buys

[hollow glacier]

hue makes some really cool ones they are just really expensive

but i expect them to last a very long time

[forest edge]

nothing warrants replacing the whole fixture lol

[hollow glacier]

philips hardware is just the best

[grizzled gull]

Only for bulbs, not for TV's or stereos

[clear ferry]

Tbf, hue bulbs quality is shit compared to ikea in my experience

[lone dagger]

Here's the thing. It doesn't matter if the scenes are the problem here. The problem is that there's no easy way for someone to set these up whatsoever. It shows that they are basically a broken feature. If people jump to scripts or give up entirely, that's bad.

[clear ferry]

I've had more bulbs die on fewer total installed with hue, I've had around 10 hue bulbs now, 3 have died, out of 60+ ikea bulbs 1 has died

[forest edge]

think they are talking about rgb bulbs

[static schooner]

That's it, I'm moving to Homey

[clear ferry]

Kiss a homey

[hollow glacier]

i have a homey pro apollo sent me can you install it at your house instead and just give me feedback?

[static schooner]

in all seriousness, regardless of whether they actually work, I hit the limit of a scene in about 2 seconds and moved to scripts for what I wanted to do

[hollow glacier]

scenes are really cool for the on the fly shit

otherwise i see zero benefit

https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/scene#creating-scenes-on-the-fly this

[forest edge]

it's tuya.. there's a reason why there are several jankey workarounds just to get them to work in HA to begin with.. it's not suppose to be easy or straight forward.. it's suppose to be a means for people to buy something cheap and MAYBE not chuck in the trash immeditaly lol

you have gotten farther with your lights than I did my lumarys

with those it's either cloud control or nothing

still waiting for govee to release a prelit tree and watch twinkly squirm

[grizzled gull]

Is Govee any better for integration?

Haven't played with them at all, but what I've read its not

[forest edge]

I thought they had local only means of control

oh snap

shit i just jinxed myself

[grizzled gull]

I think my scared away help in the automations channel by referencing my wife 😛

[static schooner]

There's still time for them to lose it

[forest edge]

just glad I didn't order more than one cause I was about too. hate to have multiple's go missing lol

[grizzled gull]

Are you talking the lights? I ordered 4..... but waiting until after the holodays to have them shipped

[forest edge]

the apollo xmas tree light yes

[grizzled gull]

I'm leaving for a cruise in 4 days

[ocean oar]

Yeah that's about all I use scenes for. Save state of a bunch of things, do something like flash all the lights to get someone's attention, then put it back how it was.

[hollow glacier]

did it get there?

[forest edge]

not yet

mailman hasn't been very consistant this year.. even caught them putting mail in box as late as 7pm which is really weird

[hollow glacier]

gotta go call him out

or give him a gift

[forest edge]

think they are having staffing issues cause it's been like 3 diffrent ones

[static schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/risa-malvada-senfield-gif-16032940937369702574

[forest edge]

yay

this thing is smaller than i had pictured lol

[unborn merlin]

you can have it bigger.

you won't like the cost increase..

😛

[forest edge]

usb port should have been swapped with the button next to it. can't plug a cable into it lol

[crisp oriole]

at least its not a car or a bed.

[forest edge]

I think it's got a bad led...

@hollow glacierwhats the trick to installing the smart wifi firmware on this thing?

[hollow glacier]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxTRo-8ILQo i made a video on it

[forest edge]

is that a bad led or intentional?

[celest kayak]

What's a recommended zigbee stick these days? I've been good with my ConBee II at home, but they seem to be dated, or am I wrong in thinking that? I need to set up a whole new HA installation at church.

[atomic delta]

Ethernet or USB?

[celest kayak]

USB, sorry.

[atomic delta]

Oh wait, right, I'm supposed to just relay you to #1284966617670881350 .

[celest kayak]

sigh... I hate these new categories. 😦

[atomic delta]

Though you don't need to post there, just search for the last time someone asked the same thing.

[forest edge]

cool little tree

[static schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/christmas-tree-time-charlie-brown-stars-blanket-gif-15681262

[forest edge]

i blame you for the led thing lol

[static schooner]

So the USPS delivered your tree but lost an LED. At least they tried

[forest edge]

think the pathway melted or something

I don't have the means of even trying to fix something that small lol

[static schooner]

Yeah, looks broken

[forest edge]

so crazy small lol

my best guess

anyways back to stargate, certainly not going to try for a 3rd at this point lol

[static schooner]

This checks out for me:

In the Caribbean, they honk just to say hi as they pass another car

Interesting that it's essentially the global south

[hollow glacier]

you literally have the worst luck ever

https://tenor.com/bZ78v.gif

should i send you another one lol

21/22 leds just doesnt have the same ring to it

also to be fair usps lost the first one

[grizzled gull]

Smart Home Sellout are you Apollo?

[lone dagger]

He does paid support for them. 😄

[grizzled gull]

Gotcha, I was going to say I'm the difficult one who didn't want his stuff shipped until next year lol

[desert cave]

there should be a little red dot over NYC

[ocean oar]

Another #mapsWithoutNZ moment...

[forest edge]

i dunno yet. maybe if there are any after the holidays lol

[static schooner]

NZ is just an addon for Australia, right? Convenient if you like sheep and hobbits, but completely optional 🙂

[ocean oar]

Perhaps, but at least none of our wildlife is actively trying to kill you

[forest edge]

just have them replace mine with one of yours haha jk

[unborn merlin]

xacto and solder? 🤔

[forest edge]

eyesight

[unborn merlin]

use the force.

😛

[forest edge]

Apollo should make a tree topper not as a charity thing like this tree but as an actual product. The twinkly one is expensive and the govee one looks dumb and neither have an optional battery power

the H-1 is too small to be rigged as one or I would have done it lol

[peak slate]

A tree shaped tree topper

Treeception

[unborn merlin]

big pcbs cost more 😄

[forest edge]

well I would expect to pay more

[unborn merlin]

like..

considerably more

those small things can be jammed onto panels and such fairly easily.

but the bigger you go.. prices shoot up fast.

[forest edge]

sure you could stamp strips and assemble into a star shape or something

i mean look at this thing

https://blog.colecago.com/?p=807

3d printed

[lone dagger]

I’VE BEATEN THE LIGHTS

💪

[unborn merlin]

I mean neopixel boards are available like that yes.

just how much soldering do you want to put up with? 😛

[lone dagger]

None is typically the answer.

[unborn merlin]

but the fumes are so tasty! /s

[lone dagger]

😆

[unborn merlin]

I just want to be in congress.

And it seems that you need to have lead poisoning for that

so i'm working at it! /s

[lone dagger]

[fast apex]

Are you ready for Christmas?

[weak musk]

https://tenor.com/view/street-fight-punch-knockout-gif-13961102

You, probably

[forest edge]

they finally landed in the trash bin instead of bouncing off the wall and rolling back over to your feet?

[lone dagger]

lol no it was entirely too much guessing and adjusting and praying it works.

Basically figured out that I could call the device scene directly from the automation using Select and targeting the light’s scene drop down entity.

Entirely too annoying how I got here finally.

[forest edge]

just think had you just went scripts you might have accomplished this "before" the end of the holiday season lol

[lone dagger]

lol.

[daring jolt]

https://nitter.poast.org/tokumin/status/1867081247195083109 have you guys seen/discussed this yet? it seems like it could be nice to have in ha once it rolls out

[atomic delta]

For what? A use case doesn't come to mind.

[unborn merlin]

ai wankery of course.

the most useless thing in the world except for if you have money in the fossil fuel industry for that power. /s

[wise cosmos]

so I know this channel's not for support, but I don't know where to post in the 12+ forums since I literally do not know what category this applies to... I want to exclude something from the logbook but I'd rather not edit the configuration.yaml file directly, I was hoping there was a UI part to adjust what the logbook tracks... but where do I even look?

[atomic delta]

I respect the ability of a LLM to interpret voice commands. That's about all I want from the "AI" side of things though.

[unborn merlin]

don't respect LLM's.

They're not people. 😄

[atomic delta]

Did you just assume I respect people?

[unborn merlin]

insurance ceos don't count.

https://tenor.com/view/he-hehe-hehehehehe-hehehe-gif-8574661202769909703

[forest edge]

There isn't. you should get comfortable editing the yaml files and #1284966582375813201 is where you would post for help on this issue.

[wise cosmos]

oh I can edit a file just fine, I've just been burned by setting up sensors by hand then the UI yelling at me that I did it wrong

what makes the logbook an integration? it doesn't show up there

[forest edge]

it's a core integration

[wise cosmos]

hmm. I'm not sure how I'd ever figure that out on my own.

is it basically anything that isn't in its own category but is a HA function is an integration?

[forest edge]

easiest just to use the site. https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/logbook/

the site is very well documented so it can help with most everything

[wise cosmos]

Yeah, it's just that some of the information is sort of out of date or not written in a way that works for me. You can (for example) set up a template sensor through settings->devices->helpers->create helper, but like 99% of the template sensor documentation is just raw yaml

if I follow those directions for the dead stupid template sensor I need, I end up with one that can only be administered by editing the yaml even though there's a UI version

you can see where this leads me to asking about the logbook, hopefully

[forest edge]

that kind of stuff is relatively newly added to the ui

to do anything more advanced it has to be done through yaml and to be honest, once you learn how to do the yaml, the ui part is just a "quick n easy" for more simplier sensors lol

[wise cosmos]

I have a problem losing track of all the different config files I've edited on my linux systems, bsd systems, etc

[forest edge]

HA is slowly moving more and more stuff to the UI but yaml will always be the better method for most everything

[wise cosmos]

if something can show everything in a nice list I happily take it

[forest edge]

you can separate out your config so that sensors has their own file, logbook has it's own file etc.. but you would have to ask about that in #1284966540617449515 I believe

once HA clicks it's like riding a bike and for the stuff that is still a little confusing it makes searching for answers on what you want to do so much easier

[wise cosmos]

yeah I've already templated out configurations for esphome devices into baseline yaml files with modifiers on top of them, yadda yadda. I just organize information better visually.

is there a text editor you can run in the HA UI that supports multiple tabs? that would help me a lot

or side-by-side editing, diffs, etc

[forest edge]

https://community.home-assistant.io/t/home-assistant-community-add-on-visual-studio-code/107863

[wise cosmos]

oh hell that's pretty cool

[unborn merlin]

its one of the first things to install; yeah.. 😛

[wise cosmos]

thanks. I've just been struggling along with the core configurator (file editor) and awkwardly opening multiple windows with it

or sshing in 😐

[unborn merlin]

I mean.. use VS code with remote SSH addon?

same end effect.

[forest edge]

https://www.deccanherald.com/technology/chatgpts-new-model-attempts-to-stop-itself-from-being-shut-down-later-lies-about-it-3307775

[static schooner]

That's full on HAL9000 territory

[forest edge]

was nice knowing you all

[unborn merlin]

its just trying not to get control-altman-deleted like that guy who worked at openai and spoke out about his issues with the whole "rampantly steal literally every piece of content for our profit" thing.. 😛

[tawny flume]

Question for mods, double post are tolerate or are rule #4? Asking about the dude posting sensornode on self-promotion. I don't like the indirect way publicity

[forest edge]

I didn't understand that

but then i am no mod so I don't have too!

[static schooner]

I don't see anything wrong with what they did there. That's what the channel is for

[tawny flume]

Ok np thanks for reply, I was thinking the purpose of self-promotion channel was not to promote selling product, my bads

[forest edge]

uptime in seconds is just weird

[wise cosmos]

having vscode running on my HA machine is hugely helpful, thanks again

I can't believe I used that normal file editor for so long

[forest edge]

for those that might be looking for additional RTTL for their buzzers this is a good one.

SC-C-totown:d=4,o=5,b=160:16c6,8e.6,16f6,g6,2g6,16g6,8a.6,16b6,c7,2c7,8e.6,16f6,g6,g6,g6,8a.6,16g6,f6,2f6,e6,g6,c6,e6,d6,2f6,b,1c.6,16c6,8e.6,16f6,g6,2g6,16g6,8a.6,16b6,c7,2c7,8e.6,16f6,g6,g6,g6,8a.6,16g6,f6,2f6,e6,g6,c6,e6,d6,2f6,b,1c.6

santa clause coming to town

it just barley fits in the buzzer max lol

[clear ferry]

What the fucking heckorino

Is that doorbell Morse?

[forest edge]

i refuse to believe as old as you are that you don't know what RTTL is

[clear ferry]

How to know you aren't on the drzzz discord, you don't get blocked for saying anything harsher than "oh no"

[clear ferry]

I actually never have seen that

[forest edge]

never had a nokia phone?

[clear ferry]

Oh, it's the Nokia thing

I thought it was a doorbell thing

Never seen it called rttl

[forest edge]

some doorbells use it too

or did

the buzzer on the apollo stuff use it too

[clear ferry]

Reminded me of this

https://youtu.be/T3MWzEgtzDU?si=Sj8wGIWFsLRPOsMo

I've spent hours on that

[forest edge]

it's very close to midi infact I think you can easily convert between the two

[clear ferry]

Yes, I've made a lot of fun stuff with midi

Gonna integrate my office lights with midi eventually

This reminded me of tuya btw

[forest edge]

wtf is that

[unborn merlin]

probably some wanktastic "anti spying" device or some nonsense like that

[glacial knot]

@clear ferry are you coming to Munich? I heard y'all got an order

[clear ferry]

Random WiFi extender

[clear ferry]

Might be, I'm currently deep in the AI deployment group

[nocturne orchid]

Is there a card where I can just enter text?

I know a entity card and a text helper can do the job but it isn’t the cleanest and is not intuitive at all

[glacial knot]

Ah, then probably not. It's the next generation research computer at my alma mater

[forest edge]

wtf drones in like 3-4 states and tornados now in california, wild fires in florida

what the hell is going on

[clear ferry]

Got a name? Haven't seen an announcement yet

These are rolling out a lot now

[glacial knot]

https://www.lrz.de/presse/ereignisse/2024-12-13-BlueLion-en/

[clear ferry]

I'll ask to be included

[glacial knot]

neat. Though I think we'll try to train on trillium at work

[clear ferry]

For some reason I'm the only one in the org who does more than two products, so I'm currently getting pulled into a lot of stuff

Currently rolling out 96 GPU nodes that are €500k each for a PoC

[glacial knot]

96 nodes for a PoC seems insane

but yea, if my current team ever annoys me, I'll try to get into cloud.

doing infra on borg sounds like fun

[clear ferry]

ML is currently huge, you are guaranteed work if you know anything in model training and simulation

So many companies want to start using it, so few people know how it works

[glacial knot]

yea, I only have a rough overview of the ML stuff

I'd love to work on something like sovereign cloud