the-water-cooler

[gusty belfry]

Damn. My i2s DAC and my amp have a ground loop.

[last cedar]

Feed them both plastic so they build up insulation

You are what you eat

One of them has a grounded electrical plug I guess?

[midnight adder]

we always tape 'em so they can't hum

muhahaha

but always use tape that burns easily and residue free so the insurance company won't know

[ocean oar]

When I was doing theatre shit at high school, they always used to use these piggyback plugs with the earth pin snipped off as a de-grounder 😄

Easy to just stack one of them between your thing and the wall

[ocean oar]

The closest the theatre ever got to burning down (bearing in mind this was the city council owned theatre our school would rent for a week-long season of a musical theatre show) was one day we rolled in and a circuit breaker had melted in one of the ceiling lights.

Whole 600 seat auditorium smelled of burned plastic

Took more than an hour to clear the smell (after a 30 minute search of every electrical item in the building)

[polar citrus]

lol I now have a WiFi enabled mousepad with LEDs integrated in home assistant

[peak slate]

Pics or it didn't happen

Just cause I want to see rainbow led lighting mousepad

[static schooner]

I'll take 'things that don't need electronics' for $100, Alex 🙂

[polar citrus]

I got this cheap ass "battletron" mousepad at Action, a Dutch budget store, for 10 euros

It's branded as "LSC smart connect" but it's really just Tuya

This thing https://www.action.com/nl-nl/p/3202653/battletron-xxl-gaming-muismat-razer-chroma/

Razer chroma compatible too

Powered by usb

[peak slate]

Lol that's the best dumb smart thing

[polar citrus]

I should check if it supports tasmota so I can just use mqtt instead of the Tuya cloud

[midnight adder]

that's actually super fast

[crisp oriole]

eum. #1304362625874006079 related. Is there any software for linux to control your firefox session with voice? Before i make it my self?

[shrewd oasis]

Hello everyone. I’m not sure if im searching correctly or not but if I put zigbee down light or zigbee recessed light in Amazon I don’t get many option, sometimes none

Are there options for this?

[static schooner]

#1284966353798697001 recommendations

Or #1284966617670881350 Zigbee recommendations

[shrewd oasis]

I’m not asking for a recommendation. I’m asking if I’m searching correctly

[static schooner]

Ok

Not here

https://tenor.com/view/subarru446-gif-4947216511407565193

[shrewd oasis]

These chats have really gone downhill fast with just kicking people over to posting topics. There’s priti much no interaction with the community, it’s just a help desk system now.

Take a number and sit down until you are called

[polar citrus]

I've been lurking on this server for years and it's always been like that

Before topics I'd just get referred to different channels over and over, I've just given up lol

[wooden marlin]

You arent the only one who thinks it, but mods dont care about user opinions. Might as well tell the wall.

[lone dagger]

I’m pretty sure we spent a few hours ago shitposting about eating plastic… not sure what you mean no community interaction…

[young sigil]

Why not post in the correct channel in the first place?

[hardy apex]

as it is now, people write whole questions in #1284976732428046461 but end up not having a fitting category, then leave. or it doesn't get seen because that channel is nested.

[young sigil]

Give me something that "doesn't fit"

Just one.

[static schooner]

Seems like a lot of unnecessary mental energy expended trying to justify why you can't find a place and your thing belongs here rather than just taking an educated guess and posting there

[young sigil]

Too slow. got to go

[wooden marlin]

Yeah the guy that originally asked , didn't post in the end . Dunno if left but his question never got asked in hardware or related tech

Sample size of 1, but 🤷‍♀️

[hardy apex]

Okay, keep telling new people they failed to make an educated guess when they show up here.

[forest edge]

lol these conversations are going still be going on years from now

[hardy apex]

Yes of course. Forums subvert how Discord is normally used, so they'll always stand out a bit.

But they are good for some things.

[tender prism]

how Discord is normally used
Is there an FAQ for how it's normally used? I missed that.
Wait, it was designed to be used by Gamers. Oops, that don't fit either.
I guess we used some unauthorized HACK to install the Forum channels. Wait, that's wrong as well.
I'm really confused...
I look forward to trying how you set your Discord server up the way it's supposed to be used. Then we can all see mow you handle a 100k+ user Discord channel and keep anyone happy.

[forest edge]

No more than a FAQ for a bicycle

can you ride it sitting on the handle bars.. sure but it's not normal

[hardy apex]

I hope Discord add some features like excluding posts by tag, preserving the tag selections on channel switch, preserving the sort order, and making the scroll to start/end more functional

[tender prism]

Some of those would be very helpful.

At this point I slug thru all the new ones, see what I can answer. I do the same in the forums. In the Topics there that I watch I currently have 70 posts to look at...

[hardy apex]

Maybe even changing the preview to show the most recent message rather than the first one, because often the topic morphs to something else.

[tender prism]

You can click that now

[wooden marlin]

I'd be surprised, it's not a very well liked feature , not just saying that about here either . I imagine investing their time elsewhere would be better received generally.

[hardy apex]

That resets itself.

[tender prism]

yes

This has been discussed, and if you want to suggest that changing it to the other is better for users, https://discord.com/channels/330944238910963714/1285154411114532935

The current way is better for some people and so far they've won out. Convince her otherwise.

[forest edge]

won out?

bad description

[tender prism]

The battle of in order posted and last replied to

Maye whe would try some the other way to see how it goes if you can supply reasons.

Reasons were supplied for last replied to, by me actually...

[forest edge]

I wish they could hide the OT channels. it would at least force people to have to poke around in those other channels rather than the same stuff being posted in here all the time

[tender prism]

and others

[hardy apex]

It doesn't necessarily have to be one or the other. You can have a mix of both right? I see a mix of channel types in #beta and #developers specifically

[forest edge]

people naturally gravitate towards active channels and this oen sticks out like a sore thumb

[static schooner]

I suggested that, but Missy wasn't a fan

And lots of folks already have it in their list

[tender prism]

Talsk to the Boss. have a good argument, not just because I want it that way kind of thing...

[hardy apex]

yes lol every discord is like this 🤣

[wooden marlin]

And then get ignored anyway 🤣

[tender prism]

Same thing, talk to the Boss...

Have good reasons, things might happen, who knows...

Oops, meant to reply to the prior post #the-water-cooler message

I personally have not looked at them in a while...

[weak musk]

I can’t wait to hear these arguments again tomorrow

[lone dagger]

“I don’t like Discord forums” is not feedback, it’s an opinion. There’s nothing for me to action with that - the forums were intentionally introduced and will stay.

The sorting not holding is a Discord limitation I’m looking to solve with a bot. And if you read through #1285154411114532935, you’ll see I’ve worked through constructive feedback until GitHub Universe took priority.

Just because it hasn’t been reverted doesn’t mean your opinion hasn’t been heard.

[wooden marlin]

It just means lots of opinions have been ignored. Just have to look around to see it, hell I bet if I Google it there's a complaint thread somewhere too . There are valid reasons people don't like them all mentioned and ignored. Can keep saying the same thing people are still gonna dislike it for those reasons .. in fact , those reasons are probably the same reasons you didn't do it to the developer channel.. would stifle tech discussion too much

[lone dagger]

The entire developer support section is a forum.

What are you on about.

[wooden marlin]

#developers

[lone dagger]

Yeah?

That’s what these channels are for?

Everything under community is like that channel.

Your point?

[wooden marlin]

Except it isnt you get bounced to a thread

[lone dagger]

Yeah there’s no support here.

[wooden marlin]

You couldn't do threads to Devs as you knew it would kill it

[lone dagger]

My dude.

[forest edge]

bruh is the correct term i think

[static schooner]

We need #i-dislike-forums for this so that we can get back to raccoons

[forest edge]

or is that outdated now already too?

[wooden marlin]

The bruh thread 😅

[lone dagger]

If you don’t like the forums, then unfortunately this place probably isn’t for you.

I made these changes knowing I’d do that to some members. It’s a risk I took.

[wooden marlin]

Yeah so it's valid till say be ignored

[hardy apex]

Development is a pretty narrow topic. Unlike most of what's in #1284966353798697001 . you dont really need to split it up the same way.

[wooden marlin]

Exactly what happened

[lone dagger]

There are plenty of places to have regular convos.

[lone dagger]

I’m acknowledging you. Ignoring you would be if I blocked you.

[wooden marlin]

Not just me TBF, I'm not exactly alone in my opinion on it

[lone dagger]

Again, just because the changes you want aren’t happening, that does not mean I haven’t heard it.

You just happen to be the loudest one right now, dude, I know.

[shrewd oasis]

For example. Before people would see what everyone was asking and would pitch in on discussions. Others, including me, would just sit in the channels reading people’s questions and answers just learning new things. What is good, bad, compatible, etc.

[lone dagger]

Guys. The changes aren’t reverting.

[wooden marlin]

Yeah exactly it literally stifles tech tinkering

[weak musk]

MISSY DID YOU KNOW THAT THINGS USED TO BE ONE WAY AND NOW THEY ARE A DIFFERENT WAY?

[lone dagger]

#the-workshop

Literally a tinkering channel.

[forest edge]

settle down there sparky

[wooden marlin]

We know 🤣 we heard already , I said it several times .. you guys don't care. We get it

[wooden marlin]

That's no where near the same thing as was said

[weak musk]

not changing =/= not caring’

[wooden marlin]

For example. Before people would see what everyone was asking and would pitch in on discussions. Others, including me, would just sit in the channels reading people’s questions and answers just learning new things. What is good, bad, compatible, etc.

Literally this ^ tinkering channel doesn't do that at all

[lone dagger]

Cool. I’ve changed that intentionally.

[forest edge]

this is why these conversations need their own channel. that way previous duplicate convos are still right there waiting for the next batch

get out of my OT!

[lone dagger]

People’s problems are actually being answered instead of getting lost in random chatter.

Random chatter goes in community channels.

[wooden marlin]

Supposedly

[static schooner]

🦝

[weak musk]

actually. People that make an effort are getting answers.

[wooden marlin]

Post count goes up.. must all be good 🤔

[lone dagger]

It happens when people aren’t complaining about changes.

See you tomorrow, Piercy.

[shrewd oasis]

Didn’t know I would stir things up this much. Sounds like this has been a topic for a long while now. Round #?

[lone dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/the-i-tcrowd-moss-sports-nerd-it-crowd-gif-4559851

[weak musk]

https://tenor.com/view/vegeta-its-over9000-gif-14419267

[lone dagger]

Almost every day since I made the changes in September.

[shrewd oasis]

Sounds like it

[hardy apex]

On the bright side at least this doesn't spill into the actual support threads 🤣

[shrewd oasis]

Ahh

[shrewd oasis]

😂

[hardy apex]

Sorry If I'm too negative

[lone dagger]

I shared data before about activity post-changes. I look at this to make sure I didn’t kill the community.

Things have changed, yes, but in general for the better. There are going to be people unhappy with the changes. I can’t please 130,000 people.

But I can make life easier for those looking for support and those offering that support.

[weak musk]

Actionable suggestions are welcome by and from everyone. Complaining you don’t like things isn’t.

[tender prism]

Many many flowers on the OP posts in the support area.

[lone dagger]

While also giving space to have casual convos and build friendships.

[shrewd oasis]

If you made the changes in October wouldn’t this just mean people setting things up for holidays?

[lone dagger]

I made changes back in mid September. It was supposed to happen in June.

[weak musk]

tbf, september was 6 years ago

[shrewd oasis]

Sorry September

[lone dagger]

You’d think so but no. Activity tends to pick up during the holiday vacations themselves.

[hardy apex]

the HA subreddit is pretty good for more generalized advice

[shrewd oasis]

I honestly don’t like the new help desk setup but I guess I can try it and see…

[hardy apex]

like seeing the what hardware people are moving to/from

[worldly basin]

Does home assistant work on the firehd tablets again yet?

[lone dagger]

Try #the-workshop first. If you get redirected after that then you KNOW it’s a support thing.

[shrewd oasis]

Oh boy what channel will he be sent to?

[shrewd oasis]

Ok

[hardy apex]

He'll be sent straight to the cloud

https://www.reddit.com/r/homeassistant/comments/1gn93ip/wall_tablets/

[weak musk]

trying is good! we like trying!

[hardy apex]

see, some mentions of Fire tablets I guess

[worldly basin]

Thanks!

[peak slate]

I mean I've been using it on an fire hd8 for a few years now

Did it not support them?

[lone dagger]

HMMMMMM YOU HAVE GIVEN ME AN IDEA

A channel here pulling in the posts from the subreddit.

[tender prism]

Ugh... Can't please everyone though. I have /r blocked, everywhere.

[stuck mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/the-northman-northman-reasonsimbroke-willem-dafoe-focus-features-gif-24200263

[tender prism]

Well, I ignore the dashboard channel and the dev channels now, so I can easily not look at it. It's amazingly easy to do, much easier than arguing about treasures past.

[lone dagger]

So you’re saying I should make sure it pings you every time a new post is shared.

[tender prism]

Yes. That would be awesome. I'll be sure to then pass it on to all the Weirdo checks then to make certain we all know.

[lone dagger]

[worldly basin]

I’ve read a couple times that the app has been unresponsive.

[iron granite]

We also had some people saying that, who changed their mind after the first interactions. They are usually just not as vocal.

[shrewd oasis]

The question might get answered with this new format. But all the learning and pitching in and discussions together about a product or solution is lost. I think that’s more of my point.

[tender prism]

That sounds like the nightmare of /r, TBH. 23422 opinions, one is probably right, the rest could be fantasy.

[iron granite]

I agree to that point. Everything has its advantages and disadvantages.

[tender prism]

At least if you get a lot of opinions on FB, you can be pretty sure all are wrong. Well, in my experience anyway.

[quasi peak]

anyone dealt with Amico lights?

just curious if they are any good as they seem to be price wise quite a bit lower than like Govee

[dire cobalt]

How do I add a time condition to a condition card?

I just created a sensor helper nvm...

[static schooner]

In the future: #find-support

There is no support here

[forest edge]

never heard of them. gotta be careful with non well known brands. a lot of that crap is just rebranded tuya stuff

[quasi peak]

The low price kinda seemed off

$90 for 2x the units as the govee version which is $130

[gusty belfry]

Made a runtime tracker for the furnace. Under 3 hr a day with freezing temps overnight. That is way less than I expected.

[golden wing]

this isn't me being a shill i just genuinely didn't expect this

is google taking inspiration from home assistant?

[iron granite]

Tbf YAML isn't an invention of Home Assistant

[golden wing]

i know that yaml isn't lol

but advanced routine configuration through yaml is a very home assistant thing

[tulip reef]

Nice! I have the same but the stats are a little squiffy as each trv can turn on the boiler independently. I need to track radiator-hours or something to get a more reasonable metric

[golden wing]

especially in the form of "starter condition action"

[iron granite]

The bigger question is, how long does it take until it joins the Google graveyard.

[golden wing]

i'll raise hell internally if this goes away

(i will file one bug)

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/muppets-statler-waldorf-surrender-give-up-gif-22204416

[golden wing]

luckily i'm actually in a pretty good position to influence google home stuff. i can't remember exactly how much i can share so i'll leave it at that lol

[forest edge]

so you are the reason it is so shit!

[quasi peak]

Give us gen 3 stuff. Make me want to use it more than the $20 echo pops

[blissful veldt]

what do people think of opengarage?

[quasi peak]

If im going to put all my hubs in a central location, should i put them in a proper tech cabinet, or can i just make a wooden box with mid airflow? Not sure the thermal needs of HA and stuff. There would be an air vent right above the box

[forest edge]

there are far cheaper better solutions out there

[keen bridge]

Honestly that depends on what hardware you use. But no metal and lots of airflow is always a good move

[blissful veldt]

any recommendations

[forest edge]

make a post in #1284966353798697001 and it will populate

[quasi peak]

Primarily an HA green, sisco ethernet hub, and tp link deco router.

Nothing terribly big

[keen bridge]

I'd recommend spacing the router away from the green to avoid interference.

[quasi peak]

Putting 20 ethernet cables into the house. And yah, can always put it a few feet lower. Box is pretty much going to be in dead center of the house

[forest edge]

what the hell did i just watch. https://youtu.be/yOvhV9u2McQ?si=1eVeD1q3rRx13syu

[blissful veldt]

thought it was an ad for catfood

[golden wing]

no i'm just testing :(

[desert cave]

I spent last weekend in the attic running 8 poe cat6 lines for my cameras. Going to try and get them finished tomorrow

[crisp oriole]

My washing machine is depressed. https://geekdom.social/@setaggi/113458447878475924

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/robot-depressed-marvin-hitch-hikers-guide-to-the-galaxy-gif-4931652

[crisp oriole]

O dear. Did the last update break the trigger on time automation??

[undone dawn]

Hello Just , i h'ave a question , if nobody answer to my question on the help , what i can do ? Thanks you

[crisp oriole]

provide more info. give it some time

[undone dawn]

2 week 🥲

[crisp oriole]

what section i take a look.

waiting for my landry anyway

[peak slate]

I use wallpanel to display the UI and provide some other features

Though that app is unsupported

I'd probably go fully kiosk browser today

[limpid pendant]

Anyone up for coaching me through my first setup of https://github.com/Travelbacon/homeassistant-solax-api-V2/blob/main/solaxapi.yaml

i have zero experience in home assistant and yaml, so you will be helping me understand a lot for my future set up (just started yesterday for first time). I’m thought i was doing the right things but doesn’t work, and cant find my mistakes 🙈

[undone dawn]

https://discord.com/channels/330944238910963714/1284966617670881350

[whole sphinx]

hi;) any working integration for azure open ai? thanks!!

[iron granite]

#1284966582375813201 might be able to help

[iron granite]

I think there was a custom integration for that. #1284966582375813201 might be able to help with details

[limpid pendant]

Thanks man, posted it there, i wasn't sure where to post so i started here, this is a steep learningcurve for me

[iron granite]

Just for the next time: the channel #find-support contains a link to a thread for guiding in cases of doubts.

[reef stream]

@iron granite i dont have the chat anymore bru

stop closing my posts

[iron granite]

No. Further duplicates of the same post will not be tolerated.

[reef stream]

how am i duplicate if you are closing my posts

now i have to remake one cuz you closed it and theres already your messages as no one will help me

[iron granite]

Deleting the original open post does not help.

And re-posting because you did not get an answer for 3 days will not fly.

@reef stream I would agree to release one of the posts, as you deleted the original one. But:
a) do not re-post the same stuff again, just because you didn't get an answer for some days.
b) same applies to deleting the original post and re-posting

[reef stream]

nw i got it myself anyway, no would have helped either way

[iron granite]

[dire cobalt]

Hey I have an Aqara mini switch added through matter and I’m trying to trigger an automation when button pressed but the triggers are not there…

[iron granite]

#1284966617670881350 with the "Matter" tag might be able to help.

[static schooner]

#find-support in the future, please

[reef stream]

whats the easist way to identify all the devices that have been added to amazon alexa through HA? a lot of them are just random numbers and weird stuff

[static schooner]

#1284966915055288530

there is no support here

[reef stream]

thats a voice assistant thing?

[iron granite]

An assistant operated by voice

[reef stream]

but my problem wasnt the voice neither the assistant

ill do https://discord.com/channels/330944238910963714/1284966439702499400

[lone dagger]

The entities list?

[reef stream]

got it

someone helped me ty

[nocturne aspen]

are HA community forums working for ya guys?

[mental peak]

Why am I having Hive thermostat issues?

[iron granite]

The forums have some issues at moment

[mental peak]

Failed to perform the action climate/set_temperature. Failed to write attribute occupied_heating_setpoint=2000: <Status.INVALID_VALUE: 135>

[weak musk]

There is no support here. #1284966582375813201

[lone dagger]

Lol I am getting this message whenever they actually load for me now.

Due to extreme load, this is temporarily being shown to everyone as a logged out user would see it.

[last cedar]

This is the real reason for the outage

[lone dagger]

At least it's Sunday.

[last cedar]

You all knew I had a "raccoon in the server room" picture saved for this very occasion

[lone dagger]

I would be shocked otherwise!

[gusty belfry]

Hm. Thats ... interesting. Setting visibility conditions for a card will cause the entire section to turn invisible on the dashboard if the conditions are met.

[real oracle]

I cannot find a good answer to this but... There does not seem to be an integration for Open Web UI with Home Assistant as far as I can tell.

Open Web UI is an interface to run LLMs.

[feral flower]

Did the forums melt down with comments about the latest major release?

I noticed there seemed to be more posting than usual

[lone dagger]

Nope, don’t think so.

[real frigate]

Why would there be an integration? Typically, you can just use ollama and then let open web ui run on another instance to hit ollama.

HA can already directly use ollama as needed and you can also create a rest command to hit ollama’s rest api.

[real oracle]

Ah, that is how it works. Makes sense. I will look for an ollama integraion then.

I was thinking of asking home assistant via Open Web UI but that maybe does not make sense.

[real frigate]

Nope. You connect ollama to the Assist pipeline (using the ollama integration). Open web ui is just a web interface that connects over the rest api.

BUT, if you want to use ollama for things like TTS notifications, you’ll need to use a rest command for that.

[real oracle]

Alright. I was able to add it fairly easily. Not sure how to use it but that is a journey I presume. Are there any native support from any integration for it?

Will I need to argue with HA now? 😮

[lone dagger]

Haha maybe. Just make sure you have less than 25 entities exposed. It gets confused easily.

I’m still trying to get mine to respond every time, think I need to tweak things.

[real frigate]

I don’t use my local LLM for anything to control HA. Mine is simply for generating content for TTS and sensors and stuff.

[lone dagger]

I’ve been messing with the built in assistant to help make sure I know I have things set up well.

It’s been fun. My son wants to learn how to build things in HA now.

[solar zealot]

Is this the new VFRaccoon?

[ocean oar]

TBH probably pretty on-par with some of the other pointy-clicky programming systems like for the Lego stuff, as far as learning goes.
Give 'em a mini PC, a Zigbee dongle, and a handful of things to play with (buttons, motion sensor, light bulbs) and go to town

[lone dagger]

Very accurate, I’d agree it’s much like other programming systems.

I started getting into the fine details of things after making some changes to trigger an automation for him, and he realized how much work goes into it and got bored.

10 year olds.

[ocean oar]

Yeah, wait until you try and explain to him what a race condition is and why it makes the light turn off and then refuse to turn on when he wants it to 😄

[quasi peak]

if all im wanting to do with HA is run zigbee hardware, its kinda overkill isnt it?

vs a zigbee hub, alexa already seems to otherwise meet my needs

[real frigate]

Nope.

[ocean oar]

It's all fun and games until the internet is down and you can't turn your lights off

[forest edge]

cloud reliant ftw

[quasi peak]

oh everything im getting has manual or bluetooth switches

like TAPO S500 light switches, and govee LED strips with their little IR remotes

the only zigbee item im looking at is a button tray so i can turn on my night lights without waking up my light sleeping partner with "alexa turn on the night lights"

[forest edge]

would be a complete waste of $ to invest in zigbee just for one device

[quasi peak]

yeah, though the Echo Hub seems to be zigbee compatible

[forest edge]

my understanding is those branded hubs with zigbee are limited on what devices you can pair with them to make sure you check into that

[rich epoch]

I am having a really hard time adjusting to the hands off approach to this discord. :\

I don't know where to go for help, or if there is still a place I can just chat about thing... or, do I have to make a post?

[forest edge]

there is no place to just chat about support other than inside a post you make about whatever issue you are having

[rich epoch]

Where would I make a post about creating a local assist pipeline and open wake word not working? Voice-assistants, or Add-ons?

[static schooner]

#1284966915055288530

[forest edge]

#1284966915055288530

[static schooner]

No, #1284966915055288530

[rich epoch]

I'm feeling quite frustrated. This discord used to be the best part of the HA environment (imo), and now I feel completely lost. :\

Off to make a post I guess

[forest edge]

#roid-assistants?

[static schooner]

You would have gone to #1284966915055288530 before and typed something. Do the same thing in #1284966915055288530

[lone dagger]

Trying to set up multiple accounts on the Spotify integration and my husband doesn't remember his password nor does he have any proper password managers.

the paaaaaiiiiiinnnnnnn

[quasi peak]

is Aqara a trustable company?

[lone dagger]

Full on Yzma rubbing her temples gif at him.

[lone dagger]

Yep!

[quasi peak]

caus rn im currently wed to TP link stuff, and Govee

[lone dagger]

I have a few of their door sensors and motion detectors, they're mostly solid if you have a good Zigbee mesh.

So if you move that way, I suggest making sure you have extenders.

[quasi peak]

im mainly interested in the presence sensors

whole house is 900 square feet

[lone dagger]

Oooh legitimately jealous lmao. Bigger homes have bigger problems, and I am stuck with some of those.

[quasi peak]

main house has 2100 square feet and was built in 1984

but im new building, upside of large swaths of family land

its a decent home

Purple is the network cabinet, red being where the hubs, thermostat, and such will go

its easier to upgrade a new built right?

[forest edge]

i think the zigbee guru @real frigate said the newer aqara stuff isn't as stubborn as the older stuff

all my aqara stuff either pairs to the cordinator or to nothing at all

[lone dagger]

I would say so. If you can get ethernet wired in with the electrical, it'll go a long way in having a solid network for your smart home.

[quasi peak]

yeah gigbit fiber

with a 24 port managed cisco splitter

[tidal bronze]

Purple?

[weak musk]

Right in the middle behind the orange

[tidal bronze]

So there's a
#FFA500 & #A020F0 in there?

[forest edge]

pastels.. I thought we covered this obvious diffrence between our side of the pond and the other side when it comes to colors lol

[tidal bronze]

Baby girl pink is there, been looking for purple for sometime now.

[quasi peak]

lol

im like mildly colorblind

baby blues are the smart switch locations

[tidal bronze]

Isn't it supposed to be locations missing smart switches?

[quasi peak]

well thats where they will be going

office, living, and dining are all one giant room

[forest edge]

I wouldn't put a smart switch in the bathroom.. just my 0.2cents

[quasi peak]

why?

aside from water problems

[tidal bronze]

This is a bathroom not an outhouse like yours. It should work.

[forest edge]

There are already non network dependent switches that work perfect and you reduce the chances of something failing down to pretty much 0

[forest edge]

hows that bt proxy working out for you when you go in the bathroom to shower?

https://tenor.com/view/picking-up-basket-window-lamp-lights-on-and-off-creepy-gif-13105716

[tidal bronze]

BT proxy woes are only for the level lock. Had to Jimmy Rig the proxy to restart like 5 times a day. Now it's flawless. 😂 it's only for few months more. Going to throw it out soon.

[real frigate]

What makes a bathroom different than any other room?

@tidal bronze You're using Bermuda, right?

[forest edge]

humidity, guests and not some place you need to spend too much thought in?

[real frigate]

lol yeah... no. My bathroom is as smart as any other room in my house.

[tidal bronze]

Huh? Like I said, humidity does not apply to rest of us. It's time you move the outhouse inside.

[forest edge]

so at the added 1000% in cost you saved yourself what? flipping one switch?

[real frigate]

Multiple switches, plus fan, plus blinds, lights... etc.

[forest edge]

blinds in a bathroom?

[real frigate]

Yup

[forest edge]

multiple switches?

[real frigate]

lol yea

[tidal bronze]

Master bath is the most important space in the house.

[forest edge]

one switch is all you need.. get rid of those blinds

they make frosted tint for a reason

[tidal bronze]

Please come again

[real frigate]

Uh, there's a window there... Meh... tint... where's the fun in that?!

[real frigate]

For your room presence.

[forest edge]

you mean reducing the amount of things that can accumulate mold is no fun?

[tidal bronze]

No idea

[real frigate]

Get a good extractor fan and you don't grow mold. Plus, how am I going to use my bathroom count tracker if the bathroom isn't smart?!

AND my bathroom messages on the pixel clock?

[forest edge]

exhaust fan is not a 100% secruity against mold

never was

or will be

[real frigate]

That along with killz primer and mold-resistant paint has done well for me for the past 10 years.

[forest edge]

you could have it suck the shirt right off your back and still grow mold lol

[tidal bronze]

Using a pedastal fan shooting towards the hallway is not the extractor we are referring to.

@real frigate say more about Bermuda

[quasi peak]

honestly, the upsides of making sure things can be motion detected is the plus

[forest edge]

house builders actually use to vent the bathroom exhaust into the attics. when I rehabbed my house I vented it out through the roof and my cousin thought I was strange since his went into his attic lol

[quasi peak]

Im partially disabled, the smart tech is for making it so i can live as independently as possible

[real frigate]

https://github.com/agittins/bermuda Supposed to be way better than espresence. I have it setup with my proxies, but getting my phone and watch tracked is... difficult.

[tidal bronze]

In to attic? Middle earth is strange

[forest edge]

that can be achieved without putting your bathroom on the network lol

[real frigate]

Actually, my house (built in '52) did the same thing before I extended it up above the roof line.

[forest edge]

well.. you may want to look at your own is my point lol

[quasi peak]

i have no downside to putting the bathroom on the network

i already pretty much am watched most of my waking hours

[tidal bronze]

I would lose my marbles if that's the case. Trust me, nothing middle earth here.

[forest edge]

yup you'll be back in here over that decision hawk lol

[quasi peak]

downside of a chronic disability with seizure episodes

[tidal bronze]

Nice! I don't rely on anything other than multiple mmwave and PIR per room.

[real frigate]

I do too, but I have been hearing tons about room presence and such and I'm dying to try it out. mmWave is great, but really, I want to put trackers on the dogs. lol

[quasi peak]

i can live "alone" but know if something goes wrong my family knows where im at in my house. if the lights are on in the bathroom, and the rest of the house motion sensors dont detect anything, good bet im in the bathroom, if i have an episode and am in the bath for too long i can setup easy alerts so someone can make sure im alright

im asuming you have had those odd leg cramps growing up? now imagine those in your back and arms... thats what an episode is for me

[gusty belfry]

man my gear just hates me today. Added a new ESP32 device to make a smart speaker but it isn't showing any entities.

[tidal bronze]

I use long distance single zone mmwave + short range multi zone mmwave per area/room. Some rooms 2x or 3z short range multi zone mmwave. Single or multiple PIR as well.

[quasi peak]

during them im pretty much unable to move so... being stuck in a bathtub or shower and potentially drowning from it is a less pleasent idea than "wifi in bathroom"

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/rick-and-morty-rick-potion-number-nine-mutant-mutating-mutation-gif-19686309

does it always feel like you are running a slight fever?

[tidal bronze]

I think right now I have about 30+ mmwave sensors.

[forest edge]

oh yea.. nothing non healthy about that

[tidal bronze]

Toner helps

[forest edge]

neighbor comes over with a bag of popcorn and it's popped before they make it to couch

[tidal bronze]

Excuse me but in my quest to never use an UI or a swirch.......

[forest edge]

butler would be more reliable and healthier lol

[tidal bronze]

That's why I left laundry out of automation cycle.

[forest edge]

till the tesla bot goes on sale?

[quasi peak]

nah, you want that feeling, spend some time around a particle accelerator, during an internship for my applied physics PHD i spent 3 months around one... every time it turns on and your near it, you feel nice and tingly

[tidal bronze]

No states available for fluff and fold 🤣

[forest edge]

lol

[tidal bronze]

Same feeling when you have some cabernet at 10:12 AM

[desert cave]

is the tesla bot still a guy in a suit? lol

[tidal bronze]

You mean guy in a remote location answering your "voice assistant" questions lmao. 🤣🤣🤣

What a fail.

[quasi peak]

I wouldnt know, i cant drink with my disability

do the Aqara FP2 sensors detect cats?

if it can detect dogs, it can probably detect Mongo, but maybe not Starr

[desert cave]

there were multiple incidents.. the first was their "on stage demo" where it was a guy in a costume.. then the more recent where it was an actual robot but being controlled by a remote setup

[quasi peak]

Mongo is a 20 pound cat

he earned the name

[lone dagger]

😂

[tidal bronze]

Use frigate.

[desert cave]

I had a big cat! A 25lb maine coon named Monster

[forest edge]

motomoto

[desert cave]

we had to get him small dog things, because no cat things would fit

[quasi peak]

Frigate?

Star is a 6 pound trash goblin my partner found in her neighborhood before we moved in together

mongo hates collars, but star like his

[tidal bronze]

Mmwave or PIR is not going to work 100% if you have pets roaming around. Leverage internal cameras on a vlan and frigate.

[quasi peak]

but what is frigate?

google brings up naval ships

[tidal bronze]

https://docs.frigate.video/

[quasi peak]

ah

[lone dagger]

A lot of people seem to like it.

[quasi peak]

noice

im mainly curious to know where each one is during the day. both have learned how to signal they want to go outside

[tidal bronze]

Its an integral part if want compete automation including voice and barks.

[quasi peak]

nice to see if they can be given a lock/unlock schedule for the cat door

that was a custom bit of home automation

used some old mindstorms hardware

[tidal bronze]

Anything is possible except state of folded and dirty clothes. At least for me.

[forest edge]

indoor cameras is gross

[tidal bronze]

That's what I used to think before frigate.

[forest edge]

I like frigates sound detect, it seems to works flawlessly for the smoke alarm at my moms since the workshop has a camera and a linked smoke detector but aside from that I don't see use for it in the actual house

[tidal bronze]

Conversation detection is even better than mmwave.

[quasi peak]

i have to say the only places id be against cams are bedrooms and bathrooms, but the rest is fine

[tidal bronze]

Same here.

[forest edge]

how? sound travels.. a camera in one room could pick up something being said in another

[tidal bronze]

Thresholds

[forest edge]

so just don't cough?

what if someone has a high pitch voice?

[tidal bronze]

I actually don't have bleeding issues they are far apart

[quasi peak]

any decently built house...

my parents house is like halfway soundproof

got that 80's drywall and solid wood that makes it impossible to hear

[forest edge]

so what? you have to open and close every inside door you pass through?

[quasi peak]

the rooms that have doors

[forest edge]

bedrooms and bathrooms have doors..

[quasi peak]

and when they close the rooms are effectively soundproof unless your screaming stuff

😉

[forest edge]

no good if no cameras in those rooms, talking about the "other" rooms

[quasi peak]

my parents kitchen and living rooms share a wall and a hallway, your lucky to understand anyone not shouting

[forest edge]

@tidal bronze gonna learn ventriloquism before visitng now...

watch you "lose your marbles"

[quasi peak]

also, im not really paranoid about who might watch

if they wanna see a tall moron wander around the house with his 2 psychotic cats 18 hours a day then they must have a sad life

ANYWAYS

anyone have any issues with WYZE stuff?

[weak musk]

wyze has been hacked a couple times

the cameras anyway

[forest edge]

the wyze scale is awesome

not sure what it costs now but it was only 20 bucks when it came out and is very well made

one of the few quality things I have purchased over the last I don't know many years

[quasi peak]

Tbh the hack isnt as big an issue, more in a "im paying $40 for a camera, will it last long enough to be worth it"

[weak musk]

this sounds really cool

[forest edge]

the cameras are a gimmick really

[quasi peak]

What you mean?

[weak musk]

reolink is similar price and well regarded here.

[forest edge]

so they are built to match the price tag which isn't horrible but wyze double down on thier software and trying to get people to use the paid subscription.

they have no built in local stream

[quasi peak]

Is it alexa compatible?

[forest edge]

the wyze bridge was the only way to even "somewhat" make them local and useful but even then it required it to constantly connect to auth to a cloud server

yes reolink is alexa compatiable

[weak musk]

yah, appears so

[forest edge]

reolink is the low end of what many consider to be quality enough and local capabale

[quasi peak]

Yeah, for now just looking for basics

[forest edge]

if you have money to burn than wyze and tp's tappo or whatever those are worth playing with but nothing I would rely on

[quasi peak]

When i get down to it i plan to get a proper lorex system

The wyse is more a "mes with the cat" thing

[forest edge]

I use one to capture how many times my cats eat from the food dish

[weak musk]

I wouldn’t put anything in my house that wasn’t 100% local.

cameras

[forest edge]

it point directly at the food dish and I use motion to trigger a counter

[real frigate]

If I can get my watch and phone setup, it'll be even cooler.

[weak musk]

I was thinking something even lower profile like a oura ring

but yes 100%

[quasi peak]

Tbh, everything i do network wise is already watched by the government given my job

[weak musk]

I had considered wyze a LONG time ago, but I’d connect it to a smart switch and only have it “on” when I was out of the house. I don’t think I’d even do that these days.

[real frigate]

Yup. Pretty much any BLE should work.

[forest edge]

I use it to see which one is the biggest pig vs the others. it's on and tracks 24/7

since I have an auto feeder the camera is mounted to it pointing directly down to the dish. I can see which cat it is by thier head hovering over the bowl

[weak musk]

Sonoma, you’re a really interesting guy. Paranoid about being irradiated by mmWave and smart switches turning into mushrooms in your bathroom, but 100% ok with a non-local, previously hacked camera system in your house.

[forest edge]

they do bump it from time to time so i have to readjust lol

why would i care about that feed reaching china?

most that could happen is them drooling over a meal they won't get

[weak musk]

for the same reason you’re paranoid about a local frigate camera recording your voice?

[forest edge]

I said nothing about that

I said that didn't seem very effective

for tracking who was where by talking

plus my wyze camera is running custom firmware so it is local only. if that makes you feel better lol

[weak musk]

it really does, thanks

[forest edge]

smart switches turning into mushrooms in your bathroom

now one could say you are very interesting person between what gets typed and what you read lol

[weak musk]

https://tenor.com/view/tlou-the-last-of-us-joel-ellie-car-gif-27185130

[forest edge]

that was a good find

[tender prism]

It's just cousin morel in the back seat. He did too many scrooms in the 90's.

[muted oak]

hey guys im curious, i just bought a mini pc with dual lan, and was wondering if i could use it as both a "pi hole" like device to add a vpn to my whole network, in addition to runing my home assistant hub

[weak musk]

Yes provided you run something like proxmox.

[dawn badge]

yeah proxmox is the probably the easiest solution this allows you to run multiple vm's on the same pysical hardware. also "pi-hole" is not a vpn

[muted oak]

i know pi hole is not a vpn

but i want to use in combination with

my router doesnt allow me to use my dedicated ip address i purchased from my vpn provider , and i want everything on my network to run though it, so putting the ip on a moderating device before my router but after my modem (fiberoptic) would be the way to do it correct?

or am i stupid

networking is always my Achilles heel

[dawn badge]

you are better off setting up something like opnsence and rolling your own router

which you could do with proxmox on the same system too if you wanted to

then you can direct all traffic onto a vpn using opnsence

[shrewd oasis]

Hello. Where would I post for help on unclouding tuya?

[muted oak]

a raspberry pi with a networking hat would be too unpowered to handle the thoughput? im on 300mb matched internet speeds and am also trying to keep the latency lowest possible for gaming

otherwise i have a mini pc, but am trying to convice my gf to use that instead of her gaming pc, so i can use the gaming pc as a home assistant hub and run more demanding local llms

[dawn badge]

neever done it but have you looked at the guide on esphome site? https://devices.esphome.io/guides/tuya-convert

a rpi will be underpowered

mini pc probably enough depending on specs

[weak musk]

#1284966582375813201 maybe.

[muted oak]

is there dedicated hardware to do this? ive also heard of people reflashing their router, my router might have more processing power than most mini pcs, lol

asus gt-axe11000

[distant junco]

I'd expect such a router to come with proper VPN settings.

[shrewd oasis]

I don’t have a Linux computer with wifi

[dawn badge]

i run opnsence on one of my proxmox machines. unless your doing insane amounts of traansfer its probably fine

[muted oak]

the issue is my vpn provider only has the dedicated ip enabled with their os gui program

im using cyberghost

unless all my problems could dissapear by choosing a different provider

[distant junco]

You can also use a VM and pass it a WiFi stick.

[dawn badge]

yeah, was just thinking. maybe a different provider bypasses the issue

[shrewd oasis]

I read the instructions but why would I need Linux?

[weak musk]

Blacky I don’t think they are talking to you about tuya

[shrewd oasis]

The link that’s for tuya convert says to use a Linux computer

[dawn badge]

you not have a rpi laying around or something?

or you could boot linux off a flash drive and use whatever computer you do have?

[forest edge]

I didn't think tuya convert worked for many tuya devices

[dawn badge]

probably best to check the compatability list but its a starting point

[forest edge]

oh they released another version of tuya convert that got around some of the earlier blockings tuya had done

may have to give it another go on some led controllers that are just sitting in my closet

[dawn badge]

cool, as mentioned, i havent actually done it but i am aware of it in case i somehow come into posession of tuya devices 🙂

late night aliexpress accidents happen right?

[shrewd oasis]

What if I don’t have a file to upload? What I mean is for the pins

[dawn badge]

no idea what you mean

[shrewd oasis]

If I flash esphome in it, how do I know what pin turns on and off the light?

Which is for brightness? Which is for color?

[dawn badge]

someone will have probably documented it somewhere. usually either on the esphome or tasmota docmeentation sites. you could also try the esphome discord?

example for one of them - https://devices.esphome.io/devices/Tuya-RGBCCT-LED-Controller-v1
they have example configs for loads of devices on there

[shrewd oasis]

Ok thanks

[silent dove]

ESPHome is a system to control your ESP8266/ESP32, with a native integration for Home Assistant.

You can find their documentation here, and get help with ESPHome itself here in the #diy-archived channel (#integrations-archived for the Home Assistant side integration with it). They also have their own Discord server too.

[blissful veldt]

whats a good size tablet to mount on the wall

[iron granite]

#1284966353798697001 with the "Recommendation" tag

[deft pewter]

80" TV

[midnight adder]

also autostereoscopic for having the Vision Pro / Meta Quest effects without AR glasses!

in HDR10 bit tru life color OLED

[deft pewter]

I have enough trouble getting my 2D dashboards looking good. I'll have an aneurysm if I have to come up with a 3D one 😂

[midnight adder]

thing is: your trashy designed dashboard just will look great in 3d!

btw kudos to the iOS Theme for HA – loving it! anyone else using it?

using HA now more than the Home.app which is a good sign

[shell charm]

Not sure where to post this but HA Blue is broken..

024-11-11 11:36:43.311 ERROR (MainThread) [supervisor.docker.interface] Can't install ghcr.io/home-assistant/aarch64-hassio-supervisor:2024.11.3: 404 Client Error for http+docker://localhost/v1.47/images/ghcr.io/home-assistant/aarch64-hassio-supervisor:2024.11.3/json: Not Found ("No such image: ghcr.io/home-assistant/aarch64-hassio-supervisor:2024.11.3")
2024-11-11 11:36:43.312 ERROR (MainThread) [supervisor.supervisor] Update of Supervisor failed: Can't install ghcr.io/home-assistant/aarch64-hassio-supervisor:2024.11.3: 404 Client Error for http+docker://localhost/v1.47/images/ghcr.io/home-assistant/aarch64-hassio-supervisor:2024.11.3/json: Not Found ("No such image: ghcr.io/home-assistant/aarch64-hassio-supervisor:2024.11.3")

Supervisor wont update and blocks installation of 2024.11.1

[red rock]

https://github.com/home-assistant/core/issues/130343

[shell charm]

@red rock that's the one 🙂 Ta

[midnight adder]

so what does that mean? ghcr.io needs to pay more money to cloudflare?

[urban wadi]

No real answer in the core issue. More details here: https://github.com/home-assistant/supervisor/issues/5405 . TLDR: Just wait. 🙂

[shell charm]

Fow me it means I wait for someone to maintain their core infrastructure before doing anything 🙂

I imagine it will be fixed during business hours for whoever maintains this piece of infrastructure

[midnight adder]

in the meantime I find the changelog for 11.3

but I don't even find 11.3 on github so... I guess it's only for people who know 😄

[urban wadi]

This? https://github.com/home-assistant/supervisor/releases/tag/2024.11.3

[honest surge]

geez, the comments on that lol

[midnight adder]

ah seems like core and supervised is not the same 🙂

[honest surge]

its brutal in there 💀

[urban wadi]

Can notifications with vibrationPattern: 100, 100, 100, 1000 not be used in WearOS, only with the mobile app?

[red rock]

oh man

apparently we triggered an org wide rate limit

[iron granite]

[midnight adder]

Cloud-lock-in as in the cloud wants to earn money now?

[red rock]

Nope

[midnight adder]

so what does that mean then?

[red rock]

I think an oopsie happened and their services practically got DDoSed

[iron granite]

Wasn't me

[last cedar]

Really not sure, can't ask right now, it is asleep

[solar zealot]

fair game

[tulip dock]

um guys i have a problem Failed to perform the action update/install. Error updating Home Assistant Supervisor: Update of Supervisor failed: Can't install ghcr.io/home-assistant/aarch64-hassio-supervisor:2024.11.3: 500 Server Error for http+docker://localhost/v1.47/images/create?tag=2024.11.3&fromImage=ghcr.io%2Fhome-assistant%2Faarch64-hassio-supervisor&platform=linux%2Farm64: Internal Server Error ("toomanyrequests: retry-after: 135.511µs, allowed: 44000/minute")

[red rock]

#the-water-cooler message

[clever mortar]

See also the #1284966540617449515 channel, and all the threads there

[silent dove]

@lime rain I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

[fathom sparrow]

Please use the support channels

#find-support

[lime rain]

for what exactly ? this is just overall general give me some ideas

im not asking for support for each and every individual device.

[fathom sparrow]

Then head on over to #the-workshop

[lime rain]

or connectivity, homeassistant either supports or doesn't. rather than fishing through hundreds of modules, perhaps, someone has an idea on what doesn't require internet

existing tech. im not a hardware dev.

[fathom sparrow]

still valid

[white hare]

zooz or shelly, is one better than other ?

[clever mortar]

#1284966353798697001 can probably answer that in detail, and the answer is likely to depend on the country you live in

[shell charm]

seems fixed

[tardy iris]

Is it easy to add and use apple home compatible lamps without having a mac or iphone?

[clever mortar]

Homekit compatible ones?

[tardy iris]

yes

[clever mortar]

See https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/homekit_controller/

[tardy iris]

thanks, so from that link it seems like I need a iphone/ipad device to pair and add the device/lamp to the network. Then unpair to be able to adopt it into home assistant. Damn, I hade hoped it was possible without an iphone 😆

[static schooner]

I think they only true of Thread devices. You don't need any Apple devices to use HomeKit devices that work over WiFi

[hollow glacier]

you read it wrong sir

it lets home assistant use the homekit protocol to mimic apple servers so you pair to your home assistant instance over wifi

[cedar glacier]

https://img.1a38.nl/yARI1/LOberosa45.png/raw gotta love running the good ol' hassio method

[silent dove]

Hass.io was the old name for the appliance like install option, that uses Docker. It was renamed in January 2020 and is now called Home Assistant OS.

[cedar glacier]

yeah, dont do what im doing

[clever mortar]

That looks like Supervised, not "hassio"

[cedar glacier]

you are correct. im wrong 😛

[clever mortar]

Nobody should use that method, unless they hate themselves

[cedar glacier]

this is my very very very old install, that is running on my ubuntu server that also runs my plex etc

[clever mortar]

Oh... so, well fucked then

[cedar glacier]

yeah

surprisingly enough it works perfeclty

https://img.1a38.nl/yARI1/kEpoJOVe02.png/raw there's a LOT running on this machine hahaha

[lone dagger]

LOL

[cedar glacier]

and it just works

somehow

zigbee2mqtt, node-red.. it al works

i heard nowadays you dont even need Z2M anymore?

how good is HA's own implementation?

[clever mortar]

ZHA has always been an option

It's as good as Z2M, mostly it comes down to what you like

[lone dagger]

Yeah, ZHA works just fine for me. But I suppose it does depend on your preference.

Jinks

[cedar glacier]

main reason i havent tried it is my 85 devices https://img.1a38.nl/yARI1/DebeFivO21.png/raw

[lone dagger]

[cedar glacier]

dont wanna fuck it up lmao

[clever mortar]

They've got a migration process

[cedar glacier]

😮

[clever mortar]

#1284966617670881350 could help

[cedar glacier]

i haven't the time to mess with it right now, but i'll defo look into that

thanks

[gentle merlin]

Any price trackers for Home Assistant gear (cameras, outlets, etc.)? Looking for a prebuilt one that tracks deals I might not have considered.

[lone dagger]

Not that I have seen.

I am going to create a thread here for Black Friday deals, though. 😄

I'll be putting it in #1284966353798697001.

[gentle merlin]

Awesome ❤️ Really looking for some deals on smart plugs

and/or surge protectors

[reef stream]

is the circle with an exclemation point in entity means that entity will never work anymore forever?

[lone dagger]

I think it just means it's not connected anymore? This is an assumption, though.

[reef stream]

wait sorry

you mean the top one, yes

what about the buttom one?

[lone dagger]

OH. Uh...I haven't seen that one yet myself!

[reef stream]

i have like 200 entities

[lone dagger]

[iron granite]

Not provided by the integration anymore (e.g. deleted template sensors). Some of those entities might be populated by the integration again.

[reef stream]

so they could come back? but for now they dont work right?
and if i deleted it, i could still get it back once they work again right?

[lone dagger]

Are we able to sort by those warnings in the tables?

[iron granite]

It depends on the integration. The Tapo camera HACS integration for example re-populates the not provided sensor for detected motion, when it is detected the next time.

[iron granite]

On the entities page, yes. By clicking on/sorting by status.

You can also use the filters for the status

[lone dagger]

That will make things a lot easier.

[reef stream]

wait so what do you actually mean by re-populates?

[reef stream]

yeah, only problem is that you cant select multiples and delete them at once, you gotta do it one by one

[iron granite]

The not provided entities still have the history and so on stored. If the integration reactivates them, data is not lost.

[reef stream]

ahh okok, ty, but what about the part of re adding them if i delete them, can i still do it?

they are showed as grayed out or am i wrong?

[iron granite]

You can. By entering the selection mode (the button with the checkmark and the square), selecting the entities and using the to delete.
Some entities might not be deletable, yet. They might need a restart of HA to be removable.

[reef stream]

u so right

browser mod has a bunch of those entities like that

[grave karma]

Not sure if i'm behind on the times here, but this is a "nice to see".
Currently on screwfix looks like smart devices are shown as working with or not working with homeassistant!
Although this is an Aqara wireless switch that is zigbee, so i'm unsure why it wouldn't work. Anyway, nice to see HA being acknowledged by the wider uk community.

[lone dagger]

You should be able to select them all at once! I know we have the ability to do that in tables now.

[iron granite]

Do you have a link to the Aqara Zigbee switch claimed not to be working?

[grave karma]

https://www.screwfix.com/p/aqara-h1-wireless-switch-white/835tx

[lone dagger]

OOH cool! I wonder if their "does not work with" means it isn't in our Works With Home Assistant program? Aqara does have a few products registered in that, though...

[grave karma]

to be fair, it looks like it's just the aqara stuff that is listed as compatible or not, but that is a start right.

[reef stream]

are black friday deals already starting?

[lone dagger]

They have only a few items in the program. https://www.home-assistant.io/blog/2024/09/03/aqara-joins-works-with-home-assistant/#devices-joining-the-program

[grave karma]

I was just looking for some simple wireless 433mhz buttons/light switches that i can use to "cover" the normal switches with. I dont have anything zigbee atm though.

[iron granite]

All H1 switches should at least work with Zigbee2MQTT and many also with ZHA.

https://zigbee.blakadder.com/switches.html

[reef stream]

wait how do i re adde them now? if i need to

[iron granite]

The data on that site might not be 100% up to date, but it gives a good impression.

[iron granite]

The integration would re-create them, if necessary/possible.
If those were template sensors for example, you would have to set them up again.

[reef stream]

oh so, when for example browser mod will re enable them, they will appear under the devices?

[iron granite]

Under entities.

You did not delete the devices, but just orphaned entities

Or maybe apparently orphaned entities.

[reef stream]

cool

[iron granite]

Sometimes integrations drop the support of some unnecessary entities.
The ZHA integration for example dropped useless dimming time entities for switches, which just can turn on or off instantly.

But unless the user deletes them, the history and settings are stored - in theory those entities could be used again anytime.

[hardy apex]

this doesn't answer your question but I recommended it regardless. good for seeing if a sale is real
https://keepa.com/

[dawn badge]

another option for this is camelcamelcamel.com

[dawn badge]

you could probably scrape it yourself if its only a few items

[glacial bobcat]

Im looking to buy some new switches and in ceiling light bulbs for my house

where should i look

[lone dagger]

#1284966353798697001 has a Recommendation tag you can use. 🙂

[glacial bobcat]

Thanks

[lone dagger]

I guess I should create that Holiday Deals thread now. 😄

[glacial bobcat]

Yoooo that would be sick

im currently shopping looking for things to upgrade my room with

[urban viper]

The holidays are almost here, which means deals on devices!

There is a thread now open in #1284966353798697001 for y'all to drop device deals you find or ask about the best deals for your devices in your country. https://discord.com/channels/330944238910963714/1305621029976018984

[lone dagger]

There we go. 😄

[midnight adder]

it's veterans day!!

[lone dagger]

Black Friday is in just 2 weeks, though!

[midnight adder]

oh I thought it was last friday...

I usually ignore that

[lone dagger]

It's the day after Thanksgiving in the US. I specify that since there's a Canadian Thanksgiving, too.

[midnight adder]

I'm a anticapitalist buying only used or from China

[lone dagger]

[midnight adder]

tell me all about Canadian Thanksgiving!

*(please, would you)

[lone dagger]

It's similar to the US one. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thanksgiving_(Canada)

[static schooner]

I guess they "harvest" earlier because it's the great white north

[lone dagger]

Yeah, that is my assumption.

Didn't know it started in November originally, though!

[midnight adder]

Erntedankfest

and the americans made it to a turkey fest 😦

[static schooner]

I hadn't heard of this, but it's pretty cool. I have one BT Proxy and it seems to work ok for my iPhone and Apple Watch, but I could probably benefit from a couple more BT Proxies. I don't know if it's better than ESPresense, considering that I have 5 of the tiny M5Atoms sprinkled throughout the house and I don't have any issues with them. Bermuda is a much, much simpler solution, though

[lone dagger]

lmao did you know at one point it was suggested that turkeys be our official bird?

[static schooner]

I really just need reliable home/away

wasn't that a Ben Franklin thing?

[midnight adder]

yeah it was mentioned in one of the South Park episodes I guess 😛

[lone dagger]

I think so, yeah.

[static schooner]

takes a confident dude to go all in on a thing like that

[glacial bobcat]

is there any helper i can ping in a tickeT?

Im attempting to create a smart home cart so i can factor in costs

[midnight adder]

yeah, also when you current official bird is a racoon, right?

everybody loves racoons ... how would a turkey win?

[static schooner]

depends on teh purpose, considering that turkeys are delicious

raccoons are stringy and taste like garbage (so I imagine)

[midnight adder]

at least your president is now as orange as a turkey in the oven after 6 hours

[glacial bobcat]

Lmfao

[lone dagger]

Not really. People come around to help when they can in the support channels, but #the-workshop might be more active for you to get that kind of organization.

[glacial bobcat]

Thanks

[static schooner]

and here I thought you were asking about an HA helper entity, and I had no idea what you were talking about

[lone dagger]

[static schooner]

seemed unrelated to raccoons or turkeys, too

[forest edge]

the after election meltdown stuff is actually kind of disturbing

[solar zealot]

That's not a very raccoon topic either besides it involving trash

[forest edge]

unavoidable. it's invaded my precious nextdoor lol

[lone dagger]

cough Rule 2 cough

[forest edge]

this isn't about politics, it's about mass hysteria. was that one of the rules?

[lone dagger]

after election indicates political in nature. 🙂

[forest edge]

or a point in time

[lone dagger]

I know people have opinions on that stuff and what's happened after - here isn't the place to talk about it.

[forest edge]

the broader effects have gone beyond politics

[vale crow]

Hey all, quick question. I've been eyeing up the skyconnect, I know there's been issues recently but they seem to have been fixed. Is there any real reason to get anything else? skyconnect looks simple and foolproof which I like

[forest edge]

we may as well be talking about covid part duex

[lone dagger]

You want to look for the Connect ZBT-1 - but I'm still waiting on confirmation that the new devices are at the distributors.

We have a fault in the first production we're trying to fix.

Or...address, not fix.

[vale crow]

anyways

[lone dagger]

Unnecessary. 🙂

[vale crow]

yep fair enough :p

anyways thanks for the heads up, I'll hang fire for now. is there anywhere I can watch where it'll be announced once everything's resolved?

[forest edge]

I just read a post that there is a movement for fast food workers to retaliate by putting stuff in the food

I mean

[lone dagger]

Yeah, #1293305327428698253 is where I should do an update.

[vale crow]

Cool, many thanks :)

[lone dagger]

[tidal bronze]

Anyone running local AI successfully under 40w TDP? Mini PC etc?

[vale crow]

You seen that AI stick? forgot what its called hang on lemme hit a google

[midnight adder]

what's happening? too much happening atm

[lone dagger]

I do not know the 40w thing. I am running my stuff locally, though.

[midnight adder]

Germany is melting as well 😄

[forest edge]

really?

[midnight adder]

they might take our cannabis legalization!!

[lone dagger]

I am using my gaming PC.

[midnight adder]

I mean decriminalization

[lone dagger]

So....lots of power.

[vale crow]

Coral stick that's it, you looked much into that? @tidal bronze

[tidal bronze]

Too much. lol

[midnight adder]

I wanted to try ollama on my macbook ... but some stuff didn't work. but previous worked fine

[lone dagger]

Hey, it responds with the quickness, though!

When...you know....I don't have more than 23 entities exposed to it...

[forest edge]

but minecraft runs like crap?

[real frigate]

There are some SLMs that can run in those specs. IIRC, phi3 runs fairly well on a small PC.

[tidal bronze]

89 DBA answers? Are they loud?

[lone dagger]

I don't use this PC lmao. That's why it's getting AI put on it.

[vale crow]

Just wondering what kinda AI you're trying to run? object detection for a camera, LLM etc?

[lone dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/good-burger-some-of-these-gif-12933391

[tidal bronze]

I am already using multiple Corals for frigate. This is for standalone use for LLM

[forest edge]

I thought nvidia made a dev board specifically for ai dedication

[vale crow]

https://tenor.com/view/overheat-computer-explosion-boom-spark-gif-17323916

[vale crow]

Ah that's a sticky one

[real frigate]

You can get phi3 running in ollama for TTS/LLM usage.

[lone dagger]

Yeah, I think they have or are working on one.

[vale crow]

is it the jetson?

I remember that being pretty old and overpriced but they may have made a newer one

[midnight adder]

I bet you can buy those from scalpers for only 3x of the original price 😄

[tidal bronze]

Cool. Not really interested in TTS but.....

[lone dagger]

You don't want it as the assistant?

[real frigate]

Eh, you know what I mean. lol

[midnight adder]

teletypesex

[real frigate]

phi3 as a SLM won't work as an assistant.

[midnight adder]

we don't want no tts you perv 😛

[real frigate]

On a small spec system, once you start throwing a ton of tokens at it, it dies quickly and painfully.

[midnight adder]

I'll call HR

[tidal bronze]

Google Assistant is all I need. I don't interact anyway. You know me, fully against interacting with HA by any means or methods. lol

[vale crow]

yeah otherwise the wifes boyfriend will hear 🙄

[forest edge]

why does it have to be under 40w anyways? already max out your breaker for smart home stuff? lol

[vale crow]

If you have it in your heart to push it to 60w you'll likely get something much more usable

[lone dagger]

tbf I only use my Echo devices for music and timers so I too am pretty hands off.

[tidal bronze]

Even that is automated here

[midnight adder]

Atom Echo?

[lone dagger]

No, the Alexa devices.

[midnight adder]

hmmm why not something better / more open source? ^^

[lone dagger]

That's what HA is for. 😄

[tidal bronze]

Other than wife yelling at GA to override my TV habits no interaction with HA

[vale crow]

because amazon keeps selling alexas and accessories for a fiver and i cant pass that up :p

[forest edge]

lol what?

[lone dagger]

The 2 things I do with my Amazon stuff isn't as well done in HA.

[forest edge]

what tv habits?

hey google, stop showing my husband food porn

[midnight adder]

so you're paying for the product AND be the product at the same time – that's interesting 😄

[vale crow]

...perchance

i dont even like the plugs they're pretty shit

the alexas make handy bluetooth speakers to move around the house though when guests are here

[midnight adder]

I like my zigbee plugs

[lone dagger]

The good thing about Home Assistant is that you get all the choices available.

[vale crow]

because these are SO UNBELIEVABLY CHUNKY AND DONT WORK HALF THE TIME

[tidal bronze]

I like to watch camping videos to sleep. Tying to understand why half a million years later we are going full circle puts my brain to sleep faster.

[vale crow]

i dont fatshame unless its the mf alexa plugs

[midnight adder]

show me a slim smart plug...

[forest edge]

you don't understand the reasoning behind camping?

[vale crow]

TVLIVE the well known established brand for 240V electronics 😓

but hey that was the first one i saw

[midnight adder]

2 thicc

[tidal bronze]

Honestly, no

[vale crow]

way nicer though, doesnt interfere with other plugs and doesnt change the whole physical footprint of your extension lead

[forest edge]

oh man, we need to stage an intervention it sounds

[midnight adder]

well 50% of my cables will use the space because it's at an angle to the side

[vale crow]

im a big fan of these but i have so much running in my house that it's all extension leads on extension leads on extension leads, 5-8 gang each full to the brim

[midnight adder]

so I would only be 50% angry

[midnight adder]

but I'd never buy amazon hardware tbh

[forest edge]

should honestly go out and experince nature before it's all gone to complete shit

[vale crow]

because you have one of these, standard kit in any home

[midnight adder]

too cold already

[tidal bronze]

@lone dagger what's your inference and power consumption?

[midnight adder]

I am Geman we only use sockets with German/EU plugs 😄 (I mean ... actually it'd be smart to make them smart – should be plenty of space – but I don't do 230V tinkering ... I'd die)

[vale crow]

but yeah as soon as you start piling these up it ends up 10x the weight, 100x the trip hazard and just difficult to deal with

my half asleep ass trying to groan "allelxxaaaaaaaaa lamp off pleaseeeeeeeee"

[midnight adder]

mad photoshop skills 😄

[vale crow]

thanks :D

i studied photography a good few years ago, now im a software developer so you can see where i put that skill into instead

ive been eyeing up these 4 way scene switches for a while, but is it easy to instead turn these into handy dandy individual toggles for different entities?

because obviously the main use case is.. well... scenes

[forest edge]

i need to pick up a smart power strip for black friday

[vale crow]

ooh yes when is that

...friday?

dang i was a week off

[forest edge]

technically it's the 29th

[vale crow]

amazon doing amazon things

[static schooner]

I have two of them. They're okay. You can do whatever you want with the events it emits

[vale crow]

i remember before amazon grabbed black friday by the balls, when it actually meant a lot of things would be cheaper :p instead of smaller things and one or two things you may actually want

[vale crow]

great stuff

you say they're okay, just okay?

are they gonna knock my socks off or are they gonna cause a weeks worth of swearing and banging so that anyone who doesnt know what i went through to set them up goes "wow thats neat" and doesnt notice ever again

[forest edge]

what you do install them in a double gang box? looks like it was made for euro switch boxes

[static schooner]

I don't really have any complaints. Physical clicky buttons, long battery life

[vale crow]

ooh clicky clicky

[static schooner]

Mine sit on end tables

[forest edge]

ah

[vale crow]

fantasising about double sided sticky taping one on the wall next to my light switch, and one next to my bed

control over my whole room lighting in the palm of my hand

[vale crow]

guessing the lights are configurable, in that you can turn specific ones on/off?

[forest edge]

battery?

[lone dagger]

So uh about that. I don’t track it. I’m not even sure I could find it. 🤣

[vale crow]

a couple years ago i experimented with sticking nfc tags on my walls to do this with my wifi plugs. was incredibly slow and finicky at best, and downright unresponsive most of the time

[static schooner]

I was looking for a Zigbee version of this, and it's not nearly as nice: https://a.co/d/7WJxb6D

[vale crow]

that's why i like HA, it all seems to just work

[vale crow]

whats this one, wifi?

[forest edge]

oh I thought those were mains switchs lol

[static schooner]

zwave

[vale crow]

Any reason you're after zigbee if your zwave ones work well? or do they not really

[static schooner]

I moved everything to Zigbee and didn't want a couple of end devices sitting around

[vale crow]

I started my HA journey last month setting up a ring keypad & motion detector with zwave so i havent touched zigbee yet

the price of the zwave stuff is pretty eye watering

[static schooner]

Hence Zigbee

[lone dagger]

I like the Zigbee stuff.

[vale crow]

yep i see now

[forest edge]

zigbee is just as it sounded before I decided to give it a go. a duct tape together solution to a not so critical problem

[vale crow]

I am after a siren but man these are pricey. setup im thinking of going with is a shelly zwave relay hardwired to mains, hooked up to a 12v LED driver that then goes into a 12v DC siren

although i've just spotted this.. could be a shout

but yeah I was thinking about wiring one of these into a relay

although that one's controlled wirelessly, just need one that makes sound when power is pumped in

[weak musk]

This is dangerously close to an admission that you like what @tidal bronze eats 😂

[forest edge]

not really, what else we suppose to picture with what he stated

[weak musk]

Literally anything else

[forest edge]

then you don't know QF lol

[pearl garden]

Hey Guys quick question.
Im soon going to move out of my parents house and into my first own flat.

And I have many many ideas on what to do smart home wise.

But allot of them rely on a good and responsive Presence Sensor. Ive had my Eye on the Athom Presence Sensor (https://www.athom.tech/blank-1/human-presence-sensor)

Now since it runs through ESP and WiFi im not 100% sure on how quick it is to respond

Do any of you have experience with this perticular sensor or ESP in genereal?

[vale crow]

loving the idea of getting a couple of these bad boys

[forest edge]

many of the "better" presence sensors are wifi if that tells you anything

@vale crowsiren for what?

[vale crow]

Garage. storing motorbikes and tools

the alarm in the keypad is too quiet unsurprisingly, theres been a string of bike thefts where i live including multiple people i know

[forest edge]

so when you accidently go in there and trip it you blow out your own ear drums? lol

[vale crow]

i just wont trip it by accident :p

its a ring keypad with a 30 second timer using alarmo

[pearl garden]

Ok I see. So it wont be much more delay for the "transmission" between presence sensor to HA, compared to ZigBee

[vale crow]

so yeah some sound bombs to beep inside, then on the outside one of these doing an air raid style on/off cycle

my neighbours will shit their pants

and so will the fuckers stealing our bikes (or the unsuspecting person who leaned against the garage door most likely)

[midnight adder]

does that indicate the best of the best are wired? ^^

[forest edge]

correct, plus wifi in general is more stable

[forest edge]

wired is always best over wireless

[vale crow]

https://youtu.be/hZlX5QdOHBQ?si=xP0vyU4U1UNfqUrV

oh hell yeah im getting one of these

[forest edge]

automations + loud sounds is a bad combo imo.. too many variables in play. accidental misfires would do nothing but piss off your neighbors lol

[vale crow]

hmm yeah

[midnight adder]

tbh I'd avoid zigbee for these kind of things. at least my experience is bad for certain applications and zigbee

I have the feeling those zigbee battery devices try to save on battery just a bit too much ^^

[vale crow]

set this up nearly two months ago and the first misfire happened today, havent done any tweaking yet. cause not known yet

[midnight adder]

like me as a boy when I didn't wanna wake up

[vale crow]

but it wouldnt be much more prone to a misfire than any other alarm system

[pearl garden]

Ahh okay. In perticular Presence Sensors or zigbee in general? Cause ive so far mostly heard good stuff about zigbee

[tidal bronze]

Don't hate my butter

[forest edge]

good alternative is just notifications.. either to your phone or even triggering sounds inside your home etc

[midnight adder]

I have bought a ton of crappy aqara sensors that sometimes don't send new values over hours, while esp32 I can set to every 50 ms I guess 😄

only my powersockets with zigbee were a solid buy

[forest edge]

your butter is grass fed? how does that work?

[static schooner]

Straight out of the butter fields

[midnight adder]

what's the lowest update frequency somebody ever used???

[vale crow]

need to scare the everloving shit out of the intruders too though :p doing this for the father anyway so I don't really get a say, the spec is it needs to be loud and scare the everloving shit out of them

[static schooner]

Engineered the cow right out

[pearl garden]

Huh okay. But istn aqara a good brand?

[midnight adder]

aliexpress 😄 so maybe I don't know?

[keen bridge]

Aqara is great, at least their zigbee devices.

[pearl garden]

So you bought some random sensor of aliexpress? 😄

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-halloween-wasted-jump-scare-spiders-fright-gif-10112448

[midnight adder]

wdym random ... it said Aqara ^^ (and nowhere else to get)

[pearl garden]

Thats also what i gathered through my research (watching YT Videos)

[pearl garden]

Amazon? ;D

[tidal bronze]

Not older devices.

They are crap

[midnight adder]

Amazon is also full with fakes

[tidal bronze]

That too

[keen bridge]

Their older ones are ok as long as you understand the limitations.

[pearl garden]

True but usually you can quite clearly see whats fake and what not 😄

[tidal bronze]

The motion sensors, gen 1, what a disaster

[forest edge]

like only connect to the cordinator that I just recently learned means no chance for ota? lol

[pearl garden]

This one? https://amzn.eu/d/8WkShAG

[keen bridge]

None of them only connect to the coordinator. They just pick a router (which may be the coordinator) and stick with it.

[tidal bronze]

P1 is newer I think. Gave up on them long time ago.

[midnight adder]

oh god... those give me nightmares

[pearl garden]

Okay hahah

Well I got that one for my birthday 😄

[midnight adder]

I can send you one so you can see how trashy they are 😄

[pearl garden]

XD

[forest edge]

my two motion sensors will not connect to no routers.. I have one that skips right past 3 router devices just to connect to the cordinator

[midnight adder]

but probably ... well ... fake ...

[pearl garden]

Whats your experience with SONOFF?

[midnight adder]

great

loving all of my SONOFF devices tbh

[pearl garden]

Been looking into buying their smart thermostat for my heaters

[midnight adder]

I have it

[tidal bronze]

Although, door sensors work great. At least they used to while I had them

[midnight adder]

it's well... slow. I'd always use ESP for these kind of things tbh ... or you will see "last updated 1 hours ago" when you need it the most 😄

[forest edge]

I don't trust sonoff for some reason

[tidal bronze]

They are ok

[midnight adder]

sonoff was my first smart device 😄

maybe I am biased

a 4 relay smart switch for 230V

super dangerous tbh

[pearl garden]

The Thermostat? https://amzn.eu/d/8BQvRo6

These?

[midnight adder]

oh sorry, I was thinking hygrometer ... it's late, sorry

[pearl garden]

No worrys :S

Well the Thermostats really shouldnt be delayed too much 😄

Cause else I will freeze my balls of this winter 😄

[midnight adder]

yeah not much traffic necessary probably – I'd say it'll work just fine

I need one as well actually

[pearl garden]

Lmao

I have so much stuff planned. The cost of buying all the hardware would probably far more then my Rent 😄

[midnight adder]

only if you don't DIY! 😄

[pearl garden]

Yeah well, up until recently i would have sworn my life on Govee, but then i discovered that you get really bad options for them in HA. Today ive looked into WLED which will be a whole other project for sure 😄

What else is there to DIY? 😄