the-water-cooler

[solar zealot]

Or at least, electrical issues in general are most likely to kill stuff on that setup

[tidal bronze]

If the person who setup is not to be found, can someone else salvage the setup?

[solar zealot]

As in take control? Well if they have cli access to the home assistant box surely

Wether or not the things found afterwards make sense to em is of a different question, especially with how much ha changed over the last years

[tidal bronze]

Yep

Just wondering, a complex setup would be close to impossible to recover and continue with few years gap

[atomic delta]

How much -isn't- included in a full HA backup? I assume the directory I created in /homeassistant for custom quirks wouldn't be, though due to location I could be wrong.

[midnight adder]

Anyone have experience with adding the IR touch sensors to a monitor that is removed from the bezel? Curious how well it works. The goal is to add touch functionality to my monitor and then make a custom frame

[iron granite]

That should be included.

[atomic delta]

Cool, thanks.

[solar zealot]

if i recall the application images are not included

[static schooner]

#the-workshop would be a better place to ask

[forest edge]

omg it's legal?! https://youtu.be/Aa8RoGXMz10?si=19DlXM6xKkVlN8zf

now i want one

[static schooner]

It's like Australia without the killer-everything

[atomic delta]

I'm just doing a backup of one HA install and a restore on another. Same hardware, different drive. Shouldn't be an issue given that.

[solar zealot]

no but not having an internet connection could end up being one

[iron granite]

A restore needs an internet connection. The add-on containers need to be downloaded for example.

[atomic delta]

Fair enough. I do have it running on wifi right now, so I suppose I'll need to either move it to Ethernet or do the wifi setup again.

[polar citrus]

updating the bios of my intel nuc so the networking works on hass os

[atomic delta]

Hm. Seems like Zwave may be the best choice for building a smart controller for the swamp coolers. Zwave LR has the range to do it without a mesh, and it operates at a frequency that shouldn't see too much interference.

Granted, all three switches are within 100 feet of the controller, but there are plenty of walls and such in the path.

Now I just need to sketch up a part diagram at some point. And see what exists for zwave LR in terms of hardware.

[uncut harbor]

Hoping someone might point me in the right direction.

I remember seeing a new hacs where you could edit the sidebar and menu bar but can't seem to remember what it's called or can't find it

[solar zealot]

browser mod?

[low harness]

Probably right

[atomic delta]

Huh... ZGM230S seems to cover my needs perfectly. Don't even need a separate microcontroller in the mix if I use that. And it's cheap. Now I just have to understand what I'm doing well enough to make use of it.

[polar citrus]

yay, got home assistant running on my nuc

the nuc's ethernet is weird and has crap linux support but the ugreen usb network adapter I had laying around worked perfectly

[atomic delta]

Surprising, usually Intel nics are well-supported in Linux.

[midnight ravine]

Pretty sure 10.4 bricked my install, stuck at hassos-data when booting vm

[polar citrus]

I'm running a nuc7i3bnb and the nic just doesn't show up

[atomic delta]

I don't know much about nucs myself, just that they're Intel, and I've never met an Intel nic that didn't work in Linux.

[polar citrus]

ah

the nic itself isn't an intel chip

[atomic delta]

Ahhhh, okay

[atomic delta]

Yeah, if it's broadcom or something it's no wonder.

[polar citrus]

it's some "Elitegroup Computer Systems" chip

[atomic delta]

Never even heard of that

[ocean oar]

Manual for that model says Intel i219V

[polar citrus]

weird, the mac address always said ECS

the wifi does show up as intel

[ocean oar]

https://www.intel.com/content/dam/support/us/en/documents/boardsandkits/NUC7i3BNB_TechProdSpec.pdf

[polar citrus]

oh well, I'll look at that later - for now I have LAN and I'll first get my automations back up

I feel like I've used more physical switches today than I have in the past 5 years

[ocean oar]

Heh. "Notable in their absence" is definitely a thing with automatic lights especially

[atomic delta]

I'm migrating from SD card to NVMe on my RPi5 tomorrow specifically to ward off the eventual sudden death of my HA when I depend on it.

[polar citrus]

haha

[atomic delta]

Though it still feels weird to me that you can install an NVMe drive on a raspberry pi now.

[hardy apex]

https://github.com/elchininet/custom-sidebar

[azure rock]

Ohhh, it feels SOOO good to finally have finished moving all my Hue lights to ZHA and remove that stupid hub. It's been on my todo list for ages (ever since the debacle). Freedom!

[atomic delta]

Nice. I need to do that. I only have four bulbs and a dimmer, so there's little excuse for me not doing so.

[forest edge]

hue bulbs.. gross

[lone dagger]

Hey now. HA is around because Hue is gross and needed to be better.

[forest edge]

HA dosen't make up for the price

wish the rpi5 wasn't such shit for it's price. some of the rp ai stuff coming out is actually kind of neat

[mighty abyss]

man im so glad i have routine HA backups

whole thing just died on me

[frozen arrow]

I only just seen this, i might do this then use the on board sd card as backups

[atomic delta]

I found a 128GB NVMe on Amazon for $16.50, plus the official M.2 hat+ for $20 ($12.50 from another source, but since it's all I'd be ordering shipping brings it near $20 anyway)

Honestly hard to argue with that pricing.

[tidal bronze]

You still going on about pi ?

[forest edge]

pi also released thier own nvme card 256gb for $30

[forest edge]

always

I can dislike one variant but still like all the other stuff lol

[tidal bronze]

You are 83, not 17, time to move on.

[forest edge]

you never outgrow a good pi

[tidal bronze]

It's good to run socat out in a bush. That's about it

[forest edge]

that's cause you have narrow vision

I can't even find an equivalent for the rpi3 i run in my barn that can handle the temps etc for anything remotely the same price

[tidal bronze]

I am not hapoy today. I should not take it out on you. I need a new dentist. Said I am too drunk to be seen. Not acceptable

[forest edge]

high speed drill with alcohol vapor breath is a saftey hazard

[frozen arrow]

Seen that not sure how reliable they are

[tidal bronze]

Barn is not considered as a structure. NA

[forest edge]

no less than any, but the upside of being guaranteed to work on the pi hats makes it worth it considering their list of nvme's that don't work is growing lol

[tidal bronze]

I was sober at 9:45, not my fault appointment was at 2:30PM. I showed up. 😅

[forest edge]

yet the tents you rent out on your front lawn are? give me abreak

[tidal bronze]

Tent? No such thing here, Sir!

[forest edge]

did they already blow away in the wind with the tenants still inside?

https://tenor.com/view/tent-blown-away-viralhog-gazebo-blown-away-strong-wind-gale-gif-26627523

[tidal bronze]

Oh tenants? Lmao. Too many.

I have no idea how they decide to break the lease terms and act like "whaaaaa?"

[static schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/johny-gif-27696534

[tidal bronze]

I wish I could do that. Breaks my heart

[lone dagger]

Will you be my landlord?

[tidal bronze]

I have 3 property managers so unfortunately, I can't. 😕

Liability issues you know. 😆

[lone dagger]

Booooooo you whore.

[serene shuttle]

I spent all day at work researching a HA build I want to put together, something I just learned about a few days ago. What got you guys into home automation?

[forest edge]

not sure what you mean by HA build

[serene shuttle]

Putting together a plan of my sensors, display, integrations, etc before I buy anything

[sterile ferry]

Just saw a link to a Nabu Casa fcc doc and the registered address is the same as my LLC 😂😂

[forest edge]

oh i see. mine wasn't that thought out. I wanted to control my porch lights and thus went down the rabbit hole till I done a whole lot more than just control a few bulbs lol

[serene shuttle]

That's great lol. I realized my Reolink cams were just IP cams and could be controlled completely off cloud so I started doing research and now I'm planning no less than 2 dozen connected devices

[spark prairie]

I love my Reolink cams 🙂

[serene shuttle]

Do you have them integrated? Any lessons learned?

I figured I'd like a 1 second update on my main HA display but wonder if I can get like 72 hours of running video saved to my Pi in case the MicroSDs died. I haven't done all that research yet

[spark prairie]

I do! The settings can be annoying to get them setup for local network mode, and you'll definitely want to static IP / DHCP reserve them on your network. Frame rate of viewing them in HA is kinda meh. I get better frame rate in the app. I haven't bothered to invest why the frame rate is so bad, but it mainly does the job. I've setup automation to disable push notifications when my wife and I get home, and activate again when we leave home. I have another automation that tracks our cat around the house and sends a Discord message when she's spotted. That only runs at night when we are asleep. Finally, because I have a reolink doorbell, I have an automation that will take a picture and send a notification to our phones saying "someone rang the door bell" and it shows the picture in the notification.

I have 3 E1 Zoom cameras. They don't seem to have a "patrol" mode, but I suspect you can create your own patrol mode with automations, since you have full control of moving, zooming, etc. in HA

[serene shuttle]

That's very cool

[forest edge]

HA isn't very good to be used as an NVR

look into Frigate

[spark prairie]

Well, I don't actually care to Record

Only live view at a glance

I just have Micro SD cards in each one that do the job of capturing the movements 😄

[forest edge]

https://docs.frigate.video/configuration/autotracking/

[serene shuttle]

It's not a permanent solution- I'm planning out a full home network with a 6×20TB RaidZ2 media server (77Tb usable) and NVR, Protecli Vault, secondary server for other things, and HA

[spark prairie]

just reading the embed of that, I think the E1 Zooms do that, but they have to capture motion first in order to start tracking. I think that's a bit different than the "patrol" i'm talking about, if that makes sense 😄

This Frigate does seem nice tho

[forest edge]

true but really does it need to pan if there is nothing moving?

[serene shuttle]

I am worried about the microSD cards dying if I really needed the footage, but all the possible triggers in the Reolink HA integration look super useful

[forest edge]

and you don't "have" to record with frigate, it just makes all the camera stuff so much easier, notifications etc etc etc

[spark prairie]

Just where my camera is positioned, it can either be looking at the living room or the kitchen, and if it's looking at one or the other, I can't tell if my cat is in the other area 😄

Right now it's pointed to the living room, so off to the right of the view, my trouble maker might be on the counter lol

[forest edge]

but through frigate and HA you could make it pan every so often as well

[spark prairie]

Yeah I think I'm going to try through HA

[forest edge]

I suppose you probably could with just HA

[spark prairie]

But I totally ack that might be resource heavy for HA? idk

[wide tundra]

hello

[spark prairie]

hi!

[serene shuttle]

I have the outdoor PTZ cameras. A pie in the sky homelab idea is to have my back camera count animals with AI. I have deer, cats big and small, owls, cranes, peacocks, turkeys, etc etc come through my back field and it'd be cool to see metrics

[wide tundra]

I've had a bit of a edge case I was hoping to get some thoughts on

I will be away from my home for a while. would it be worth it to have home assistant email me weekly status changes?

[uncut harbor]

That's it thanks 😊

[forest edge]

like what kind of stats?

[wide tundra]

presence detection, door openings etc

I live alone so the logic is that if the door opens while I'm not there, its either the landlord or a burger

[forest edge]

I wouldn't have it wait to notify you, make those instant lol

[wide tundra]

I will no-comms for months at a time

🤔 I could probaly set up dual email notifcations to me and a trusted agent

[forest edge]

you should look into using the HA companion app and getting your instance available to outside your local network

[forest edge]

no, a simple automation using onvif won't be resource heavy. you could even use the reolink integration to trigger it to stop panning in the event of a object detection etc

eventually tho, I don't see anyone NOT wanting to record events and then flitering those events for actual objects which is why everyone ends up with Frigate lol

[serene shuttle]

Has the community ever considered making our own sensors? The high quality chipsets, over-engineered electronics for reliability, open source firmware? The flashlight community has successfully done this

[real frigate]

ESPHome?

[forest edge]

was gonna say

[real frigate]

lol

beat ya... and I'm half/mostly drunk... Keep up 🙂

[serene shuttle]

Well yeah lol. But I'm like...leak sensors? Contact sensors? In an easy to buy and use format? Dozens of companies and devices make it hard to know what's reliable

[real frigate]

Pretty much anything you can dream up can be handled with ESPHome and either cheap (or expensive) chips. Your mind is really the only limitation there.

[forest edge]

not to mention there are already tons of stuff out there already using esp

[real frigate]

If you pop into the ESPHome discord, there is a show off section that has a lot of stuff where people have built lots of things... https://discord.gg/F6mrCCsn

[tidal bronze]

@forest edge your 23 and me test is out in the open.

[real frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/hobbit-adventure-gif-18135104

🤣

@tidal bronze That's what you pictured @forest edge as, right??? 😉

[jaunty breach]

Just hooked up a shelly for some LEDs.. pretty simple to use, and not crazy expensive. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08WL2K9JR

basically the only one besides WLED i could find that is IP but doesnt connect to internets

[real frigate]

That's not bad!!!

Granted, I LOVE wled... the Shelly line is fantasic.

[jaunty breach]

its Analog, not Digital, which meets the specific needs i was htinking

[jaunty breach]

just now looking at the shelly line to see if i want to look at more things.. what WLED device do you ike

[real frigate]

The one I build. 🤣

I actually only have a couple that I’ve built over the years, but they are solid.

[jaunty breach]

ha 😄

[weak musk]

the quinled stuff is good, but I'm also doing a roll my own ESP32 for WLED

[jaunty breach]

quinled isnt sold on Amazon. havent found a site i trust to check it out

just lots of what seems to be knock off brands https://www.amazon.com/s?k=quinled+wled

[real frigate]

Eh, I like QuinLED. Good guy too. But I always just roll my own with either a D1 Mini or ESP32. Super easy.

Mine are actually on ESP8266 boards.

[weak musk]

my only issue with roll your own is the hit or miss quality of the esp32 minis. I had 3 bad boards.

I ran into issues with the esp8266 processing limits

[real frigate]

Don’t buy from Amazon. You can buy from quin directly.

[weak musk]

but yeah, if you like/can solder-- make your own. It's not too hard

[real frigate]

lol I don’t even solder usually. The heat shrink solder connectors make it easy with a heat gun.

And I usually buy my strips/pixels from HolidayCoro.

[weak musk]

my boards did not come with pins

but yeah, that's a good solution

[real frigate]

Oooooffff. I ONLY buy if they have pins… because I suck at soldering.

[weak musk]

this is the project where I learned to solder

it was F U N

[jaunty breach]

their site just seems to link to other sites for buying, like drzz and such

[real frigate]

Yeah. That’s what I said at first too. Then I was like “screw this” and broke out the heat gun.

[real frigate]

DrZZZ is a trusted site. Also a good guy and part of the HA community. He’s been around for a LONG time. It’s safe to buy from his store.

[jaunty breach]

i see, ok

[real frigate]

DrZZZ has been around the HA community for almost as long as I have.

[jaunty breach]

huh. even on amazon esp32s are cheapish https://www.amazon.com/Waveshare-Development-ESP32-C3FN4-Single-Core-Processor/dp/B0CR2XP59Y/

[weak musk]

AA, that's a LONG time if you're counting

[real frigate]

He has a discord that he is active is if you have questions or whatever.

[real frigate]

10+ years now. lol

[weak musk]

Those of you with time of use electricity, have you considered doing a whole house battery bank without solar. My thought was charging the battery in the off peak times, then swapping over to battery during peak usage times?

Our provider is switching over to TOU next month

[jaunty breach]

I've considered it just for safety

[weak musk]

as in, in case of an outage?

[jaunty breach]

yea

@real frigate i see a lot of anthom wleds as well

[weak musk]

I've seen those around too

have you checked out the hardware channel of the WLED discord?

[neon hawk]

they are a good and trusted company

they also make great power plugs with energy monitoring "Made for ESPHome" so its flashed on it from the start

[weak musk]

this is good to know, thanks Snowy

[jaunty breach]

didnt even know they had one. i just tried my first thing, which was a shelly.. but using analog so it seems ok

[weak musk]

https://discord.com/channels/473448917040758787/719873873071308821

[jaunty breach]

hmm, speaking of hardware. know of any good digital small wall panels to replace light switches? like say i wanted it to be able to set the rgb

[weak musk]

you can't click it?

[neon hawk]

yeah an ESP32 S3 with a touchscreen running ESPHome 😉

[weak musk]

@jaunty breach https://discord.gg/pUsZCny8 try this

[jaunty breach]

thanks 😄

[jaunty breach]

yea was wondering if it'd be a homebrew

[weak musk]

I think there is another solution that uses android tablets, blanking on the name though

fully kiosk

[neon hawk]

there are a few options that are totally stand alone ie its a touchscreen and ESP32 all in one with a case and wall mounts etc - something like the NSPanel etc

Lilygo, Waveshare and M5stack are also worth looking at for all in one solutions

[jaunty breach]

checking it out, hopefully something to hook into HA

[neon hawk]

i have tested a lot of screens over the years, what I will say is that there will be nothing faster in response time that an ESPHome - HA API call

laggy controls are a nightmare

[jaunty breach]

so the lilygo/waveshare/m5stack screens will be ok?

or did i misunderstand

[neon hawk]

its all about the connection between the device and HA, ESPHome is super fast cos of the API

[jaunty breach]

those are all ESPHome based? or is that the NSPanel

[neon hawk]

well anything ESP32 and ESP32 S3 ( forget variants like the ESP32 C6 of H2 etc ) will run ESPHome

[jaunty breach]

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256806541443507.html NSPanel?

thats cheap enough to be sketchy

[neon hawk]

Sonoff are a big and trusted company - they make a lot of different devices

[jaunty breach]

oh, its zigbee, not ip

[neon hawk]

there are different models out there

maybe thats why its so cheap - getting rid of stock no one bought

[jaunty breach]

i havent played with any other protocols yet, zigbee, zwave, thread

[neon hawk]

myself i dont bother with other protocols, all my IOT gear is on its own VLAN and dont go out on the internet

[jaunty breach]

yea. i just setup a VLAN/WIFI

[weak musk]

I'm using wifi/IP, zwave, zigbee lol

mostly zwave

[jaunty breach]

you have all the things

except thread

[weak musk]

because I'm smart 😉

[jaunty breach]

https://sonoff.tech/products/ only 1 control panel says wifi seems like a bunch of stuff built in

https://github.com/HASwitchPlate/openHASP ooh, wonder if they're selling them

[neon hawk]

ESPHome with LVGL is much better than open HASP

[forest edge]

you were saying? https://i.pinimg.com/474x/e3/3b/b5/e33bb54734e2f9d7163fc25c247f4585.jpg

[jaunty breach]

where can i find?

[jaunty breach]

is this because of leviton?

[weak musk]

Nah. I just liked the devices better in general when I started with SmartThings 7-8 years ago. Been on HA for nearly 5 years and just kept expanding the mesh.

[forest edge]

hue and zwave in the same night. it truly is close to halloween

[neon hawk]

LVGL is a new component of ESPHome it allows you to use (parts - not all of it is implemented yet) of the LVGL library to use on displays - https://lvgl.io

[jaunty breach]

oh, i thought thats what the new openHASP is? very HASPOne

[neon hawk]

i see a lot of people moving off OpenHASP over to ESPHome with LVGL

[jaunty breach]

"HomeAutomation Switchplate based on lvgl for ESP32 - HASwitchPlate/openHASP"

i wonder

These are kinda nice looking compared to the lutron, too bad they dont 0-10v.. https://us.shelly.com/products/shelly-plus-wall-dimmer-2?variant=49674142450005

[forest edge]

why would anyone want them to

[jaunty breach]

seems like a number of commercial installations prefer the 0-10v.. tho maybe thats old school led these days?

i guess dali is more modern

[atomic delta]

Salvador?

[forest edge]

I don't follow. These are 110v light switches for AC. they can handle up to a 1500watt load. they will handle an led bulbs just fine

[jaunty breach]

yea, not talking about the same thing. 0-10v is a communication protocol of sorts, used by stuff like this. https://us.shelly.com/products/shelly-plus-0-10v-dimmer?_pos=1&_sid=20b50f6b4&_ss=r

[forest edge]

you said it yourself, widely used commercially. our homes still use the traditional reducing method

[jaunty breach]

i'm actually dont using HA in a home.. tho i guess its in the name 😛

[forest edge]

you cannot use an incandescent bulb on that dimmer you just linked

[jaunty breach]

correct.

[forest edge]

well you already linked your solution that will work with HA and the bulbs you want so...

lol

[jaunty breach]

sure, you were just asking why anyone would want to.. 🙂

i'm probably not going to use 0-10v. not sure what i'll use playing with techs now tho.. funny how many techs are already obsolete

[forest edge]

new and proprietary are always a gamble and that won't ever stop

see the ring doorbell integration is getting some attention.. shocked the bad taste of how that craptastic device use to work with HA in the past didn't make everyone just give up

[jaunty breach]

that always seemed sus to me

[atomic delta]

Huh... Just had a thought. Why doesn't the RPi installer for HA use F2FS instead of ext4? You're pretty much guaranteed to be installing HA to flash media for a RPi, and F2FS could dramatically extend the lifetime of SD card installs.

I'm guessing this comes down to "because no one's considered otherwise".

[jaunty breach]

likely ;P\

[forest edge]

compability and access

now if you run HA in docker you could set that yourself

[atomic delta]

I did specify RPi installs. Why would you run HA in docker on a RPi?

[forest edge]

nothing prevents you from being able to

alot of people don't like HAOS

they want full access to the os

[atomic delta]

I do find it a bit awkwardly limited at times, I'll admit.

Though I did notice there's an extended SSH addon that'll remedy some of that.

[forest edge]

it's all about choice

if you are going to make something that can be ran on multiple platforms then you want to make it as simple and universal as much as possible

a specialized rpi version is more work than it's worth

you can install HAOS on more than just a pi

[atomic delta]

You know there's already a special image specifically for flashing to media for use on a Pi via the Pi flasher, right?

[forest edge]

I say that, but I do wish they had made a "lite" version for the pi zeros

[forest edge]

thats not a dramatic overhaul or anything

[atomic delta]

No, but changing from ext4 to f2fs isn't a dramatic overhaul either. It's about as complex as a config line.

[forest edge]

again, i said access

putting shit in ram can't be accessed from a diff machine

[atomic delta]

I don't follow

F2fs isn't a ramdrive. It's just a different filesystem that handles flash media better. If you can read ext4, chances are extremely high you can read f2fs too.

(I'd say guaranteed, but there will always be that one guy running Linux kernel 3.0 for some ungodly reason)

[forest edge]

i thought you were referring to that ram file system. but either way the read and writes can be dramasticly reduced by you if you choose

you can even use a seperate media for the recorder and thus dramaticly reducing the access needed to the sdcard as is

[atomic delta]

I'd wager the average user setting up HA via the Raspberry Pi Installer probably doesn't even realize SD card wear is an issue.

(granted, counterfeit cards are the main reason it's an issue)

[forest edge]

technically it's goes for anything.. regardless if you are running HA or something else, sd wear and tear is borderline common sense at this point

[atomic delta]

Which is why a bunch of Android phone manufacturers have switched to f2fs by default now.

[forest edge]

I went over a year on a HA sd install with no reductions to the recorder. sd cards are cheap and backups are always plastered as recommended. you can't even make a post in here or the forums without others warning and suggesting alternatives to using an sd card for HA

you can "play" with HA for a long time and get familiar with it before it becomes a concern and you can easily switch over to something better without losing anything

in other words, with what is works

[atomic delta]

I mean, I'm not saying it needs to be changed. Just that it'd bring potential benefit for effectively free.

[forest edge]

I don't think you can even natively access F2FS in windows after I looked up to make sure you weren't refering to that ram file system I was thinking of

[hardy apex]

Seems like a half measure if you truly want reliability

The root of the problem is most SD cards are crap with poor wear leveling

[forest edge]

knock on wood but the sdcard in my barn install is going on 3 years now

maybe 4

I don't need the recorder and that's what kills the sdcard

[atomic delta]

Looked it up and there was a wsl bug preventing mounting f2fs. No idea if that was ever resolved. Not even sure where I'd check.

[hardy apex]

F2FS might be a bit less resilient than EXT4 against power cuts. Which is not an issue on a phone with battery backing. However a Pi is more risky

[atomic delta]

That depends on your mount options. By default you are correct.

[hardy apex]

when you guys take backups on a Pi, I mean the backup built into HA, how much data is getting written?

[forest edge]

that depdant on how much shit you have in HA

[hardy apex]

my full backup is ~500MB but this is a relatively new install

[forest edge]

yea my last core backup was a little less than that

[atomic delta]

The 134MiB was from updating HA core. Not sure if that's a full backup or not.

[forest edge]

this likely includes addons etc

[hardy apex]

That's not bad

in terms of data churn

[forest edge]

scratch that

[atomic delta]

I'll be doing a full backup tomorrow when my NVMe drive and hat arrives. Don't really see the need before then.

[forest edge]

I haven't restored a backup with addons included in a very long time but years ago they weren't always stable so I had stopped doing that

not to mention redownloading them is much faster than it takes to restore with them in there

[atomic delta]

HA seems pretty stable to me now tbh. I'm new to it, but it seems like most issues probably come from HACS or hardware issues these days.

Like the guy a couple days ago who couldn't start HA because he installed something that capped his ram.

[forest edge]

it don't take much to make HA seem like it's borked but most of the time it's something small and in worst case scenario something that can be fixed by just accessing the config folder

[desert cave]

wow, imagine still using incandescent anywhere (except that one hundred year old bulb at that one firehouse. That one's neat)

[forest edge]

don't knock it, they still very much have their uses. my barn has 2 normal bulbs that I use for initial seeing when going in at dark that I also use remotely to give my camera images more vision and those incandescent have been working without change for over 10 years regardless the ambient temp

[desert cave]

hmmm.. I mean if they're existing bulbs and still working, no reason to replace (unless power is expensive), but modern LEDs work great at 1/10th the power for the same light output, and are dimmable, and are cheap.. at least, better than they were 10 years ago lol

[forest edge]

going on 17 years to be more accurate now that I think about it lol

[desert cave]

nice

[forest edge]

leds die quicker in hot weather

[desert cave]

a sixth of the way to 100 year bulbs :D

hmm interesting.. how hot are we talking?

[forest edge]

well steel barn with no insulation in summer

can get a little toasty

[desert cave]

(I'm about to replace my outdoor CFLs that have weird propriatery sockets with regular sockets and LEDs)

[forest edge]

on average just from replacing old bulbs with leds in this house.. I've yet to see one last nearly as long as the old traditional incandescent ones

sure they save on power usage

but still annoying for them to die so quick

hell my wifi outdoor ones (while admittedly a cheap brand) only last around 3 years max

[desert cave]

weeeird.. are they smart bulbs? (I guess yes from the wifi bit)

I haven't had any of the dumb ones die on me yet, though only been in this house 3 years, so.. I guess give it some more time, haha

8 years in my old house and never had them die there either though

[forest edge]

could be the brand I bought, i dunno just know it's annoying

[forest edge]

awesome quantum computing is going to force us to go back to using paper money and not using banks

[frozen arrow]

good day everyone 🙂

just about to order the nvme adaptor and notice its only pcie 2.0

[agile jewel]

Sad to see #general-archived gone 😦

[red rock]

It's still there (but only for reading)

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/mourning-gif-7768380

[urban wadi]

When having an actionable notification with the Android companion app, should the actionable buttons still work 2 hours later if you postpone 2 hours on the notification?

[iron granite]

If there is no timeout set, HA hasn't been restarted and automations haven't been reloaded, I would expect them to work.

[urban wadi]

Thanks. A restart could have caused my issue. I'll remember that for next time.

[sleek pecan]

Just looking to get pointed in the right direction. I like the current value + history graph view, but want the granularity of the history graph

Can HA do that out of the box or do I need to use something like apexcharts-card to do that?

[coarse horizon]

Man I'm not sure if that was it but I deleted yaml code that tracked my thermostat and it freed up over 3 gigs after I restarted.

I was getting scared because I was losing space quickly and had no idea why.

[supple grove]

Bunch of options... but the history graph card will show what's in your current recorder db, the statistics graph card can include long-term stats too, which is more similar to the history view. Those are 2 out of the box.

[sleek pecan]

Thanks! I'll take a look. Not at a computer right now, but can those cards also show the current temperature like the first screenshot? I think what I'm looking for is a combination of the two screenshots where there is an at-a-glance view of the current temperature and a granular history graph.

[supple grove]

I mean... if you're looking for the apex charts card... just get the apex charts card

The stats graph card doesn't show the current state value without hovering. You could add another card to also show the current state of the entity, if you wanted

[sleek pecan]

Yeah, I was mostly wondering if there was a combination of more granular and at a glance current state. I'll mess around with either separate cards or go to apexcharts. Thank you

[deft grove]

Evening~ ¦)
What's the best way to activate an HA scene via Alexa?
Ideally, I'd like to just say "Alexa, <name-of-the-scene>."
Would you expose the scene, an automation to activate the scene, or a button input that triggers the automation?

[static schooner]

Make an Alexa routine that activates the scene

And: #1284966915055288530

[deft grove]

Aww, I find the Alexa app horrid. I was hoping to avoid it as much as possible. 😂
Do I need to expose the scene in HA, or will is just find it?

Ah, I do need to expose it. The app just notified me when I did. Thank you~

[acoustic cloak]

So i am learning docker doesn't support addons for HA i am guessing addons is crucial?

[keen bridge]

Not at all. Add-ons are docker containers.

They've got a little extra magic to help them be pre-set up in some cases, but they're docker containers.

[faint olive]

what should i do? docker is not working for me (using the terminal)

[acoustic cloak]

ok iwas following this tutorial from a month ago this is his chart he uploaded. Iguess this addon he is referring is dif?

[static schooner]

Just pointing out the fact

[keen bridge]

That's a chart in the docs. Which are super easy to follow to set things up.

[acoustic cloak]

ok gotcha, cool i def glad i asked because i really wanna set up via docker thanks again!

[crude token]

I’m not looking for support just confirming my finding. Is it correct that you cannot delete devices?

[real frigate]

No. You cannot delete devices. Only an integration can do that.

[coarse horizon]

Yeah it sucks. It annoys me when a device won't go away despite removing it from its native app.

[real frigate]

What do you mean by "the native app"?

[coarse horizon]

For example I use Yolink and removed a few devices from the Yolink app. I reload the Yolink integration on HA but they're still there.

[real frigate]

Huh... sounds like an issue with Yolink... But, this is kind of common with cloud devices, especially if they do soft deletes of devices before actually removing them.

[coarse horizon]

Makes sense. I have the same issue with Smartthings which is also cloud.

[real frigate]

Yup. There's a solution for that 😉 lol

[coarse horizon]

I'm mostly local now. But with Yolink I'm still foolishly holding out hope that there local API comes some day.

With Smartthings, I only use them as a back up geolocation. Sometimes they report first before HA.

[real frigate]

lol I had a few cloud services like that and finally just gave up and went local. It sucked, but SO much better now.

[smoky inlet]

is it possible to enable/disable a helper in an automation (or enable/disable its visibility) ? Unable to find anything about it

[real frigate]

Spook can do that. https://spook.boo/entities#disable-an-entity

[smoky inlet]

Thats actually awesome, thanks!

[atomic delta]

Welp, migrating to NVMe was easy enough. Huzzah, NVMe RPi.

[gusty belfry]

damn this stupid scene effect bug is driving me bonkers. Wiz bulbs don't respect the effect modifier anymore.

[real frigate]

What do you mean?

I set effects in scenes on my Wiz bulbs all the time.

[real frigate]

- id: test_scene_wiz_bulb
  name: Test Scene Wiz Bulb
  entities:
    light.living_room_foyer_light:
      state: True
      brightness: 255
      effect: Fireplace

Works fine here.

[gusty belfry]

weird

[gusty belfry]

https://github.com/home-assistant/core/issues/116402

https://community.home-assistant.io/t/wiz-light-bulbs-issue-with-effect-in-scene/779052

It's definitely not unique to me whatever it is.

[atomic delta]

Did you try rebooting HA? When in doubt...

[gusty belfry]

This all started because I had to replace a dead bulb in the living room and update the groups and scenes. The power outage as I started updating everything certainly rebooted HA

[real frigate]

Ahhhhh in the scene editor in the UI. Yeah, all my scenes are done in YAML. I’ve never liked the scene editor and how the lights have to be in “state” to use it.

Plus the scene editor adds a ton of bloat to scenes.yaml. Not a fan.

But, to get around the bug, just open scenes.yaml and add your effect. Not perfect, but it’s a workaround.

[gusty belfry]

Yeah it's not pleasant to clean up.

[real frigate]

Nope.

[atomic delta]

Huh. It does seem a bit... thorough.

[gusty belfry]

just a wee bit

[atomic delta]

Okay, that's way worse than mine.

[gusty belfry]

I have 14 of those bulbs in one area. Takes a lot.

[atomic delta]

Fair. I have two in my beefiest scene.

[gusty belfry]

Worth it tho

[atomic delta]

That's also thorough.

[forest edge]

needs more plants

[gusty belfry]

Has more. this is an old pic

I had to move the Saturn V

[real frigate]

Finally someone that might have more Wiz bulbs than me. Lol I’m only at 52 of them.

[gusty belfry]

jesus thats a lot of money

[forest edge]

wow the search functionality of threads is really bad.. like unusable

if you are looking for something that isn't in the thread title you are sol lmao

[ocean oar]

I've also noticed that things tend to disappear. I was trying to find this old thread I replied to, and - once I did, which was no mean feat - it shows up as #unknown when I try to link to it: https://discord.com/channels/330944238910963714/1290751818766483466

Or apparently here it doesn't... but I pasted that thread from #1284966582375813201 into a thread in #1284966353798697001 and it went squiffy

[static schooner]

That's addressed here: #1284994887292424346 message

Or any of the others

[forest edge]

how dumb is that

[static schooner]

Pretty dumb

[atomic delta]

Damn. Was curious about what kind of energy tracking I could use, apparently I have a Zigbee Energy Profile meter. Which according to the site has no known implementation for reading into HA.

[static schooner]

Only through gateways

https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/rainforest_eagle/

[atomic delta]

Sadly I don't think one exists for my meter.

Oh, I misinterpreted. That may indeed help.

[static schooner]

Your power company needs to support it

[atomic delta]

Ahh. I see. Maybe not then.

[static schooner]

Mine did for many years and cut off new connections last year

[atomic delta]

How helpful.

[static schooner]

Fortunately existing connections will continue to work indefinitely

[atomic delta]

Well, it's either that or pulse counting from the looks of it. Maybe I'll call the power company on Monday and see what they say.

[static schooner]

Typically called HAN

[atomic delta]

Looks like my power company has a convenient website, but there's no integration for it, even on HACS.

[gusty belfry]

Do effects work in helper groups for you?

[atomic delta]

I may have questionable decision making skills. I just bought a replacement zigbee adapter and previously bought a new zwave adapter despite having a two-in-one (HUSBZB-1) that hasn't shown any issues thus far.

[hardy apex]

Well. Maybe you'll find a problem you didn't know was there 😂

[atomic delta]

I mean, I bought the replacement zwave adapter because I wanted an 800 series with LR support. So there's some logic there. Most I can say for replacing the zigbee is that it annoys me having a second disabled zwave adapter though.

[unreal terrace]

I can’t write anything on #1284980040940912641, so I’ll ask it here.

can I somehow make an automation like that:

When list is updated — send notification to X?

that could be game changer

[forest edge]

you won't get an answer here

[clear ferry]

@forest edge

[last cedar]

They should have called it "missery" not missouri, maybe

@lone dagger when are you adding raccoon chittering as a language for the voice assistant? I can't get it to work at all, for me

[lone dagger]

Excuse me ma’am but you should become a language leader to drive the translations of raccoons.

[last cedar]

Oh my god! You are right!

Can ask the english raccoon translator that Peter hired in Family guy for help too

[lone dagger]

Nothing better than working with an expert.

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/amy-mom-young-mean-girls-you-girls-keep-me-young-gif-5005395

Wonder what I should send Michelle for Christmas

[lone dagger]

A raccoon?

A real one?

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/muppet-show-muppets-swedish-chef-chocolate-mousse-moose-gif-24958978

[lone dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/swedish-chef-muppets-the-muppet-show-gif-4425691893626684012

I love tapping things and it not loading for myself. 🤣 Stupid hotel WiFi.

[clear ferry]

Probably Cisco or ubiquiti wifi

Tell them to buy Aruba

[desert cave]

Cisco is hot garbage but I've never had a problem with unifi

[clear ferry]

I thankfully never have had to work with it

[last cedar]

There is a zoo, down south that have raccoons, so I need to go there, but they are not allowed in the wild

I understand why, they are great at adapting, and killing our native species

[lone dagger]

I should go hunting for the APs. Drunk adventure??

[clear ferry]

Should be easy enough, the normal tactic is one outside every door

Most shitty implementations also don't do any 802.1x so you can just disconnect it and have internet

[lone dagger]

Holy shit I don’t actually see any APs!

[clear ferry]

Above the roof tiles

Or whatever it is called in English

[lone dagger]

Liminal

[clear ferry]

Ah, then probably above the hatch then

[lone dagger]

Oh wait is this it???

[last cedar]

That smoke detector is too close to wall on the left...

[clear ferry]

Looks like a fire detector

[deft pewter]

Fisherman's Wharf has the best carpet

[last cedar]

It could be a strobe, or the emergency lighting perhaps, like a clear ring on the edge?

[lone dagger]

Different than the other detectors.

[clear ferry]

Could be

Def not an AP

[last cedar]

No, it isn't a clear ring

[lone dagger]

The stairs are there.

So possible.

[last cedar]

I wonder if it was a light, and they put a blanking plate over the old connection?

Removing the base and cable channel would destroy the paint

[lone dagger]

It did go into another cable covering, too.

[clear ferry]

This type of Mount is the norm on 90% of hotel installs I've seen/ done

[last cedar]

I need to share this jank thing that happened at work, we are installing the door entry and alarm system at a new building, and the sprinkler people turned their dry riser stack around (from valves left to right)

[clear ferry]

Excuse me what

[last cedar]

Building site rules, those who set up their stuff last, win

I will be glad when it is done anyway, just needs some small adjustments and then testing

But yeah, you understand why smoke detectors are mounted wrongly when you see some of the shit that other trades get up to

They did the same thing on 3 other floors btw, not just that keypad

They just turned the whole stack 🤣

[clear ferry]

Nothing will ever beat the electrician I had on a DC that installed a transformer in reverse, so he was supposed to do 400-230v but it ended up being 230-400v, it smelled funny and I had to replace 87 power supplies

[last cedar]

That mount looks sick btw

[last cedar]

Don't you measure the output before connecting the load? 🤣

[clear ferry]

Almost as good as the plumber that mounted 17 racks in and out water connections reverse, so I had to replace all 17 valves

[last cedar]

Jesus

[clear ferry]

It was already connected and had been for years he just swapped to another transformer

Quite funny with the electrician who was gonna install a new circuit and dropped the 230v on top of the inergen tanks, so 6 of them blew their load 100% at once

Could see the latency of the storage systems spike 1500%

[last cedar]

It sounds like I should never work with you, you seem like a magnet for shoddy tradespeople!

[clear ferry]

Sounds like a reason why you should do tradeswork where I work

[real frigate]

Yup.

[crisp oriole]

Arg. Forgot to generate a blog for my washing maschine 2days ago. What for worthless AI bot manager am i.

[real frigate]

Wait... you don't have that automated???!!! Why are you, as a human, generating the blog for Staggi?

[forest edge]

the middle section is reserved for clean air generation to combat what blows in from the west and east

[leaden gorge]

Sold my shit echo 5 and 8 I got for cheap. What screen do you recommend using as a hub. An old tablet? or somthing like the nest hub? Im leaning on a tablet to be the screen for it all.

[last cedar]

Probably a great idea tbh!

People say I have a trustworthy face, so it should go well

[real frigate]

Disagree... trash pandas do NOT have trustworthy faces. 🤣

[last cedar]

😦

[real frigate]

lol I mean... Ok, maybe you do... but the ones here do not.

[clear ferry]

Your ugly mug trustworthy?

OK!

[forest edge]

i sat out this red bowl and put old cat food in it to get rid of it

I saw racoons, skunks and possums

racoons were being bullies to the possum

eventually the possums gained numbers

[static schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/only-one-there-can-be-only-one-highlander-gif-12213479

[forest edge]

broke my heart when I saw a white cat

[polar citrus]

just tried out a home assistant automation for the first time instead of setting it up in node-red and it's pleasantly easy

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-darth-vader-if-you-only-knew-the-power-of-the-dark-side-gif-15855616

[real frigate]

NR was all the rage a few years back, but that just pushed the HA devs to make scripts and automations much, much better.

[polar citrus]

yeah I reinstalled HA entirely two days ago after the SD card in my raspberry pi died so I figured I might as well switch stuff up

got it running on my old intel nuc and it's so much faster lol

oh sweet the automatic timeout on my lights worked first try

[real frigate]

Welcome to the rabbit hole

[polar citrus]

yeah I'm fighting the urge to purchase new gadgets to hook up

[clear ferry]

Just give in

Take it all at once

But have a safeword

[lone dagger]

Talked about this with people who showed up to the meet up yesterday, actually. 😄

[polar citrus]

time to hook up my airfryer

[real frigate]

Ooooohhhh to be a fly on that wall...

[forest edge]

did you take some pictures of the meet?

https://i0.wp.com/nerdcast.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Untitled-2-18.jpg

[clear ferry]

Y'all are meeting ?

And you didn't invite me😭

[lone dagger]

One of the guys was talking about how he hasn't moved over to built in automations. But the other guy talking with us didn't know what it was because he got into it after automations were improved.

[forest edge]

like you would have went..

[lone dagger]

I invited literally everyone.

#announcements message

[clear ferry]

You didn't send me an outlook invite!

Doesn't count

[lone dagger]

Some, yeah.

[real frigate]

e-vite

[lone dagger]

Because you didn't give me your email.

[clear ferry]

I thought the US was all about don't ask don't tell!

How does information actually flow in the US, no one knows

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/drawing-lines-face-smile-heart-gif-17203209

[polar citrus]

through a series of tubes

[clear ferry]

Series of tubs

Got it

https://tenor.com/view/pingu-pinga-bath-bathtub-gif-13645490649888499639

[polar citrus]

I should add RGB lighting that reacts to the temperature sensor

the future is now!

oh my GOD I can turn it on remotely

[last cedar]

Thank you for feeding the trash lovers too, even possums got the shout

Even if they look a little freaky

https://tenor.com/view/awesomepossum-gif-22089739

[forest edge]

i'll try and capture when the skunk came out to eat. it sounded like it was growling at the posseum from across the yard before it made it's way to the bowl

[last cedar]

Omg skunks are so cute!

[static schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/love-skunk-jump-jumping-looney-tunes-gif-6105243

[last cedar]

Pepe!

[static schooner]

Frighteningly not PC in this day and age

[frigid mirage]

Just wondering, has anyone built their own presence sensor, as to appose to just buying pre-built ones like Apollo?

I have a few esp32's laying around, and thought of buying the ld2410 sensor. But, curious how is the reliability?

had enough of motion sensors tbh

[real frigate]

I mean, that's basically what most of the presence sensors are. Apollo, EP, etc, are all basically PCBs with LD2410* sensors. Reliability is good, but sometimes a PIR sensor > mmWave sensor. It really depends on the situation.

[frigid mirage]

Yeh, I get you. I was thinking of more about firmware support etc. It's typically in large rooms I'm looking to place it in, motions are okay for utility rooms etc

I'd imagine there isn't much difference as it's based on esphome, rather just convenience of it being pre-built

[real frigate]

Yup. If it's based on ESPHome, firmware is fairly solid. I have almost no complaints about all my mmWave sensors.

[atomic delta]

I was considering setting up presence sensors, but the main room in the house has a 16-21 foot sloped ceiling, so doing a ceiling install is just... Not viable.

[real frigate]

Yeah, that would be stretching it. Even PIR would be tough at those distances.

[frigid mirage]

Ah great, may save a few quid that way. I think realibilty is poor on zigbee as well (at least for me)

[frigid mirage]

Thank god I don't have that problem, UK house are quite small compared to the US 😅

[real frigate]

Zigbee has two problems: Usually the sensors are crap (or slightly better than crap) that don't support a lot of tuning needed for accurate detection and they run the risk of spamming your mesh.

[polar citrus]

I've had this grand plan of buying an old xbox kinect and using that but never got to it

[real frigate]

My house is tiny 🙂

[atomic delta]

My house is far from typical for the US.

My parents drew up the plans and had it built as their dream home.

[frigid mirage]

Now that's an idea lol

[polar citrus]

you need a special adapter to use it on PC (it does officially support it) and then you should be able to mess with it using the old SDK

[frigid mirage]

Yeh, I hate to say it, but I've been using cheapo tuya sensors for that particular room, I'm having issues with. Having said that, my Hue motion sensor works perfect

[polar citrus]

no idea if the SDK still works on modern versions of windows

[frigid mirage]

Ikea ones are also crap

[real frigate]

I remember 🙂

[frigid mirage]

More trouble than it's worth, buy hey a fun project you'll complete one day

[robust raven]

I guess you could place it slightly lower, or add multiple sensors? The amount of lighting must be great inside

[atomic delta]

Yeah, skylights and LED fluorescent tube replacements. It's a bright room.

20 tubes total in that room. Pain in the ass to replace them though. :P

[robust raven]

Oh shoot, must be a pain in the wallet also lol

[atomic delta]

Hence the LED tubes. Much cheaper to run and longer life.

[atomic delta]

So I assume when my new zigbee adapter arrives I use the migrate radio option to switch?

[real frigate]

Yup

[atomic delta]

Cool, just making sure.

Dunno what to do with the leftover HUSBZB-1 though. Maybe I'll try flashing the updated zwave firmware and sell it if it doesn't go awry.

[real frigate]

That's actually what I use mine for (still). The zigbee radio died in it years ago, but the zwave side keeps on kicking.

[atomic delta]

Zigbee has been reliable on mine, but when I realized I didn't have access to zwave LR with that adapter I decided to buy a new zwave stick, and if I'm updating the zwave stick, may as well update the zigbee stick too.

[lone dagger]

Touched plants.

[atomic delta]

I need to get busy figuring out how to build zwave devices already. Could probably build cheaper plant monitors than I can buy.

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/potter-ppotter-harry-potter-malfoy-potter-malfoy-saying-potter-gif-22993770

[tidal bronze]

Sure they are the right plants?

[static schooner]

Tried smoking them all?

[ocean oar]

It says potted plants, not pot plants...

[tidal bronze]

Slightly cloudy, not clear

[frosty burrow]

<@&330946878646517761> I found a security issue in the discord. please contact me

[fathom sparrow]

You're blocking dms

[lone dagger]

If it’s an issue with Discord, we can’t help.

[frosty burrow]

It should be unblocked. Not a discord problem

[lone dagger]

lol the jagged lines of me wandering around the botanical gardens.

[solar zealot]

[gritty mesa]

does anyone know of a zigbee or esp based wall switch that doesn't actually switch? want to replace a wall switch with a smart switch to control an existing zigbee device

[real frigate]

Shelly supports a decoupled mode as does Inovelli, Aqara and others.

[static schooner]

#1284966353798697001 -> Recommendations is the place

[gritty mesa]

that is in support though, i was trying to keep the support channel forums from being filled with useless info. happy to post there

[gritty mesa]

could you link me to a model because my search terms haven't shown good results

[static schooner]

You're asking for a hardware recommendation

That's what it's for

[forest edge]

moved the bowl a little closer to the camera since this one actually has animal detection.

will see what critters come out tonight

[real frigate]

Is that one of your Reolinks?

[forest edge]

yea

[tender prism]

I keep starring at it and it doesn't change...

Wait...wait.... Oh, NM, it was a fly on my screen. False alarm.

[lusty solar]

Is there an integration for wyze cameras? I don't see it in integrations

[atomic delta]

Looks like there is via HACS.
https://github.com/SecKatie/ha-wyzeapi

[lusty solar]

i see will check thanks

[forest edge]

stupid racoons

guess putting it on the pallet was a mistake

[lone dagger]

🤣

casually pulls the food closer to myself My bubbles.

Loaded up bsky straight into this. https://bsky.app/profile/easterncoyote.bsky.social/post/3l7jyzmdofz2i

[worn jetty]

I can’t believe the sky connect dongle had a defect. I bricked 2 of them months ago then gave up and ordered a sonoff. I feel vindicated lol.

[lone dagger]

LOOK AT HOW CUTE SHE IS

[lone dagger]

The SkyConnect does not have the defect. The ZBT-1 has the defect.

[worn jetty]

Potato potato

[lone dagger]

Negative.

It’s specifically the ZBT.

#announcements message

[lusty solar]

Am I able to run HACS via container install or can only haos run it?

[tender prism]

I think there is instructions there for both

[static schooner]

Anything install can run it

https://www.hacs.xyz/docs/faq/hassio_only/

[lusty solar]

alright i'll check it out, as for using home assistant in general, if im running it via docker on my home unraid server, what's the best way to get access to it while outside the network (over the internet)

[desert cave]

check out the Home Assistant Cloud option under Settings

[forest edge]

@tidal bronze just got done carving our pumpkin.. where is yours?

[tidal bronze]

I can't stand anything pumpkin

This is it!

[forest edge]

why does that not shock me one bit lmao

[crisp oriole]

Im his manager. Setaggi is bipolar. Sometimes need to be protected from him self.

[weary niche]

Is there some channel where I can find other devs that make addons/integrations?
I've made one that fetches/receives data from my alarm system provider's API and translates it to MQTT so that all the devices in the alarm system become available in home assistant for automations.

I'm looking for some advice on polishing the discovery payloads. The documentation for entity description is not quite as good as I hoped it would be.

[forest edge]

if you go up to id:customize there is a dev option. I believe it gives you a role which allows you to see additional channels for that. may be something there

[weary niche]

Thanks 🙂

[fading viper]

Hi, does anyone have a Homeserver recommentation with n100 for using ha with proxmox. Maybe cheap from AliExpress?

[clever mortar]

#1284966353798697001 with the recommendations tag can help

[urban wadi]

When I have utility sensors that is set to reset daily, isn't there a way to easily fetch/sum weekly/monthly/yearly from the statistics with templates? Must I create additional utility sensors for week/month/year?

[fathom sparrow]

you have to create new entities

[solar zealot]

I feel it's time that I guys show off your christmas decorations

[real frigate]

NO! it isn’t even Halloween yet!!! STOP MAKING TIME GO FASTER!!!

🤣

This is fun to walk into work to.

[solar zealot]

Stop not sending us your deco

[real frigate]

I have Halloween lights... but no, I am NOT doing Christmas until Christmas time... you psycho. lol

[stoic kindle]

I got no idea of what season it is. On the weekend, I bought panettone and cross buns at Aldi.

[real frigate]

There's a sensor for that 😉

[last cedar]

For buying panettonr and cross buns?

[peak slate]

Man I can't find a picture of when I walked to the door to my cubeland and there was "warning: asbestos" tape over it

i will however give you the man trapped sign as consolation prize

[urban wadi]

But for only displaying purposes, can't statistics graph card or other graph cards display monthly use from a daily reset sensor?

[fathom sparrow]

there's a statistics card

[urban wadi]

Yeah, it's just hard to see how it'll work when I don't have data generated 🙂

I guess I can always create utility sensors for week, month and year and see after a while if they're needed or not...

[fathom sparrow]

you don't need to generate utility sensors if you just want to display the long term statistics

[real frigate]

Yes... Template sensor 🤣

[fathom sparrow]

just use the statistics card

[real frigate]

That's the def of being at work, isn't it?

[urban wadi]

And a utility sensor that's reset daily goes into the statistics right? It's not cleared after X recorder days?

[fathom sparrow]

no

the utility meter is just to create statistic entities

if you don't need or want them, just use a statistics card

I can't make it any more clear

https://www.home-assistant.io/dashboards/statistic/

[peak slate]

I sadly never saw the light turn on that said "do not enter building if light is on" so I never got that excuse to not work

[urban wadi]

Gotcha. Thanks!

[last cedar]

What happens if a woman is trapped?

On a serious note though, I programmed the helicopter warning alarm where I am working today 🙂

[crisp oriole]

Are automations about automating a watercooler ontopic for this channel?

[peak slate]

Just make sure if it's a Sikorsky, to stay far far away from it

[last cedar]

I am good, I am one of the few who can actually fly them

[peak slate]

I'm sorry (I have some good reasons to distrust every single Blackhawk, Seahawk, Navalhawk, and any other variant of the Hawks)

[peak slate]

But.... What about the one that can!

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/jim-carrey-dont-say-it-cover-your-mouth-be-quiet-gif-16624443

[peak slate]

The only people who know how those death traps are assembled are on the factory floor, not in the engineering dept

Lolol

Also..... they're retiring

[real frigate]

When you say “helicopter warning” all I can picture is helicopters sneaking into an office and terrorizing people. lol

[crisp oriole]

are AI drones included?

[last cedar]

There is a balcony 5 floors below where the landing pad is, not sure if it is to warn people about the wind, or the risk of getting hit by the helicopter

Hopefully the former

[real frigate]

Yes.

[last cedar]

I will insist that we actually test it with a proper helicopter though, even though it is just a button we can press, anytime 🤣

[real frigate]

I mean, natural selection/darwin awards have to factor in here. If you jump off a balcony 5 floors above a helicopter landing pad… lol

[last cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/exploding-flowers-destruction-red-so-red-the-rose-gif-17001594

Like that

[real frigate]

Does the “button” respond to double press/hold events? I bet it’s just a HA automation running the whole thing, isn’t it???

[last cedar]

Atomisation

[last cedar]

Don't tell @lone dagger , I might need to pay royalties

[real frigate]

Coming to an integration near you soon… Helicopter Warnings: Let HA tell you if you’re in danger of being attacked by a helicopter.

Or an AI drone

[peak slate]

I think we need an ai model to detect nearby ai drones

[real frigate]

Has to run through Ollama though.

[last cedar]

It is actually a rather large (multipe systems as it was too large for 1), around 700 doors, around 500 inputs to run a medical building

Not sure how much I can give details wise but I have about 2 months work to startup, fault find and finish the installation

[calm crow]

This is probably gonna sound daft but are all E14 Bulbs the same?
I know you can get Candle/Golf and pear

but would they all fit an e14 light?

[clever mortar]

Probably

They'll fit the base, whether they fit the lamp ....

[calm crow]

Ah a sentence I understand

[grizzled gull]

Sorry for the random thought, you know I really wish I didn't hate Microsoft as much as I do, as windows 11 isn't that bad, games are better, stuff for the most part just works. but so much distaste with MS

[calm crow]

Just worried If I put in a E14 pear into a lamp then E14 Golfball could anything 'dangerous' happen

[clever mortar]

Nah, you'll be fine, electrically speaking

[calm crow]

But physically? I assume I won't be less appealing

[clever mortar]

If if fits then you'll be ok

[peak slate]

Windows 11 just seems like vista pt 2, I do like that snipping tool saves the screenshots out by default now

[grave vale]

Hey quick question -- haven't swung by in a few months -- why are all the chat channels set to read only?

[clever mortar]

Visit #community-updates and id:customize

TL/DR: We moved to forums

[true mantle]

As long as the bulb isn't a higher wattage than the fixture is intended for (unlikely in the case of modern LEDs) if it fits, it's fine

[fading surge]

Has anyone used the alexa skill VSmart TV and knows how to convert this into home assistant, my TV is not smart at all and when trying to control it with home assistant, it has a secondary mode that controls media, and home assistant can only play / pause that, so that would be music ect.. but can't pause / play netflix for example, however alexa can using the VSmart TV skill, i could probably use the alexa media player integration and have home assistant send commands to alexa that sends them to the TV, but adding the cloud latency here seems avoidable, any ideas?

[true mantle]

I control my TVs, smart or otherwise with an IR blaster

https://templates.blakadder.com/misc.html you can find some tasmota supported ones here, many that are tasmota compatible can also run esphome

I have a couple of these https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B087G4TNZN that I flashed with ESPHome

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005005772315510.html <- these ones are pre-flashed with Tasmota

[calm crow]

Thanks will check the instructions

[fading surge]

i am a noob what is an IR Blaster

ah nvm google was the obvious thing to do, so its just a hub that sits behind your tv, and sends it IR signals, and you can communicate with it through wifi? so home assistant can ping the hub to turn on / off the tv? this is pretty cool but it also has no way of reading the tv's state unfortunately

the alexa integration can already tell me what the current volume is / if its on or off / what channel its on ect.. all this information the tv can give out, i just hate how they hide it all, no documentated apis at all and dnmr or whatever its called doesn't work as pre-mentioned, it just controls and inner media player

[fathom sparrow]

aren't those just andriod tvs?

[fading surge]

It very possibly could be, its an hitachi brand tv that was on the cheaper side, how would i test if it is

Google indicates that most hitachi tv's are infact android tv's, but the androidtv integration has no idea what to do with it

[forest edge]

https://youtu.be/18tTWGlDyos?si=4NbOrekQqlHmocLe

[iron granite]

My parents' dog once caught a poor package delivery driver, who ignored the "beware of the dog" sign and entered the property. He wasn't quick enough to get back through the gate.

https://tenor.com/view/dog-woof-pupper-puppo-puppy-gif-7557362

-# Nobody was hurt. Our dog just stopped him from escaping with a convincing posture.

[fading surge]

https://www.ebay.co.uk/p/9032624569 this is the TV spec btw (not my ebay just the first link with attached picture) , it doesn't have the android ui feel to it, it just has this weird menu bar at the bottom, the firmware is often quite buggy

[fading surge]

It seems to use something called SmarTvue if anyone knows about this

[jaunty breach]

https://community.tp-link.com/en/smart-home/forum/topic/237614?replyId=527314 hmm, I seem to be having this issue (except with hardware version 3).. should this be more of a #1284966353798697001 question?

my kasa HS220 hardware version 1s work with HA, version 3 does not

[calm crow]

Light specs
Depth: 40 CM
Height: 18 CM
Material Content: METAL/GLASS
Width: 40 CM
Indoor / Outdoor: Indoor
Maximum Wattage (in Kw): 6

[true mantle]

6Kw... that can't be right

@calm crow a 6Kw lamp would blind your entire neighborhood lol, are you sure that's correct?

[iron granite]

It is more an #1284966582375813201 issue in my opinion. 🤔

[jaunty breach]

ah, right. i confuse the two.. i'm guessing its this lib.. maybe.. https://github.com/python-kasa/python-kasa

ah ha! "Some newer Kasa devices require authentication. These are marked with * in the list below." i wonder how to do that

[ocean oar]

You have to make an account, connect the devices to that account with the app, then sign in during the configuration in HA with the same account.
Basically it's the "Tapo" account flow, applied to the "Kasa" products.

Once you've done it once, they talk locally after that. But it uses the cloud as a kind of handshake

[true mantle]

Lutron does that too

I need to use the caseta app to add/change devices, but once I do that, it's all local control, which is nice

[ocean oar]

I use a few of the Kasa power strips and Tapo single sockets to switch outside lights, and other small decorative lights that can't have smart bulbs. All seem to work fine

[desert cave]

Maybe it's 6kwh/year, like those fake wind turbines on Amazon

[jaunty breach]

yea i have some hardware version 1s that are fine, and a hardware version 3 that doesnt.. of the hs220

looks like its potentially an authentication issue

i'll try your suggestion

[desert cave]

(it's probably just 6w, not 6kw)

[jaunty breach]

6kw would be reasonable to see maybe 20miles away?

[desert cave]

Haha yeah. Good for lighthouses

[jaunty breach]

yea. i mean its bright enough that the curvature of the earth comes into factor

[true mantle]

That's what i'm saying there is no way it means Kw. Possibly a poor translation to english. Looks like the text was copy-pasta'd from a product page

[jaunty breach]

yea. tho thats a legit LED otherwise 😛

unfortunately I don't have a 50amp circuit in my house.. so no fun blind machines for me

[desert cave]

And 6w sounds about right for led lightbulbs

[jaunty breach]

tho i wouldnt mind having one for the door to door salesmen/preachers.. "have you seen god"? "why yes, why dont you step into my room and tell me about him"

[true mantle]

yeah, assuming that's a hilarous mis-translation and it's actually watts, then anything up to a 6w LED is fine

[true mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/there-are-four-lights-picard-fuck-your-bullshit-star-trek-kingdom-of-bullshit-gif-14936675848561176051

[atomic delta]

Welp, official response from my power company is that they don't support consumer devices to read the meter. Guess I'll be building a glow.

[static schooner]

or use ct clamps that can monitor overall usage + individual circuits

[forest edge]

you know you can't use that info to dispute bills.. stupid companies

[static schooner]

I have an IotaWatt sitting on my table that I will install one day

[atomic delta]

Are they accurate? My experience with clamp style meters hasn't been fantastic.

That said, I'm annoyed that smart circuit breakers don't seem to be a thing, at least for standard 120v single breakers.

[forest edge]

?

they are

[atomic delta]

I couldn't find one

[forest edge]

it's not something that "took off" but they do exsist

[atomic delta]

I think I'd need around 50, so that's probably going to be painful anyway.

[static schooner]

this says "pretty accurate": https://community.iotawatt.com/t/revisiting-accuracy/2190

you don't really need to monitor all your circuits individually

[forest edge]

considering they are around 100+ a pop, yea.. that would be a bad path to take

[atomic delta]

Jesus. Yeah, at that price nevermind.

[weak musk]

tbf that's not too far off from the required breakers these days with the arc/gfi fault etc built in.

[atomic delta]

Those are only required for new housing. I still have cheapo $10 or so breakers I believe.

[static schooner]

they're more than I thought. Looks like averge $60 apiece

[weak musk]

new circuits too.

[atomic delta]

$40-60 is about what I expected.

[weak musk]

at least here

[forest edge]

replacing the main 100-200amp breaker at the top of the box with a smart one wouldn't be as bad, but there are far cheaper methods of monitoring usage

[atomic delta]

My only concern with building a glow is whether it can handle rain/snow.

[weak musk]

all of this talk just had me check our upcoming electric bill

a whooping 26 bucks this month

[atomic delta]

I wish. Ours is uh... ugly.

Five people in a 5000 sq. ft. house.

[weak musk]

in the summer it's usually 110-180 but it's been cool for the last 2 months so we haven't had to use any AC

and only 2 adults here, 2100 sqft

[atomic delta]

We have swamp coolers, so the summer isn't too bad, but winter gets nasty.

[weak musk]

ah yeah, we heat with natural gas here so summer is definitely peak for us

[atomic delta]

We do a mix of propane and electric heating.

Same for water heating. One propane heater, one electric.

[weak musk]

we had an apartment once with baseboard electric as the only heat source. Poor insulation too. We had one month where we heated to normal temps and 5 months where we wore extra sweaters. Electric bill was 350 on the first month.

[atomic delta]

Baseboard radiators in our case, with the central... I guess boiler, heated by propane. And we use electric heaters in various places to supplement that.

But yeah, our power bills are never that low.

[weak musk]

the 26 bucks or the 350 lol

[atomic delta]

Probably either tbh

[weak musk]

jfc

and here I am thinking "anything over 100 is straight robbery!"

[forest edge]

what in tarnation

[atomic delta]

What?

[forest edge]

boiler heated by propane?

[atomic delta]

Yeah?

[forest edge]

that sounds like the most expensive way to heat a home lol

ditch the propane

[weak musk]

I would imagine furnace is ignited propane and hot water heater is heated with propane too?

[atomic delta]

LNG isn't a thing here. Basically only electricity is on a grid. Internet is starlink, water is well, propane is trucked out to fill the tanks.

[forest edge]

Ooof

[atomic delta]

One water heater is propane, the one most of the house uses is electric.

[weak musk]

yeah yeah, I've lived the propane tank life before

it's a pita

[forest edge]

use to be affordable but these days, you may as well be burning gold

unless maybe you live in russia or something

[atomic delta]

Nevada, US

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/big-oof-size-small-medium-switch-gif-17355313

time to invest in solar lol

[weak musk]

I really want to do that, but I just got a new roof in the last couple years. Which is arguably the best time to get solar, but putting a bunch of punctures in my roof feels really really really wrong.

[atomic delta]

Honestly, would love to. Can't afford to at the moment though. There's a weird program here that allows us to get solar-adjusted pricing despite not having solar because we have people in the house on welfare though.

[forest edge]

could always build a solar porogala

[weak musk]

isn't someone here doing that?

[atomic delta]

Honestly, we have a lot of roof for solar. It'd work well. Someday we'll do it.

[weak musk]

#home-and-garden message yes

[forest edge]

yea not a tree in sight.. it's almost foolish you don't already have it

[atomic delta]

If it were cheap to install...

[forest edge]

nothing is, nor ever will be tho

[atomic delta]

Yup

[forest edge]

it's one of those just accept to be in debt paying off things lol

[weak musk]

We get around 320 days of sun here a year, so we're in a similar boat. I've been looking into getting whole house battery systems too. Fill those up when power is cheap (time of use power) and run off the batteries during peak times)

[forest edge]

though if you do a lot of the install yourself it's quite managable according to all the articles and videos I watched

[atomic delta]

Well, the house itself will be paid off within a year now, so that's the big focus.

[weak musk]

If you're going to stay in your house forever it's probably a no brainer

[atomic delta]

Yeah, I don't intend to ever move.

I would if I were renting, but having the house changes things.

[weak musk]

but I think we'll see some panel efficiency gains in the near term too

[weak musk]

I agree with that-- our neighbor put in panels this year. The biggest time suck/ labor cost was actually getting them connected to the electric panel and then the grid itself.

[forest edge]

yea

[weak musk]

The panels were up in like a half day

[forest edge]

almost half the stuff I seen ran into issues with just getting it connected into the grid due to power company bs

[tidal bronze]

Gemini can make mistakes? But why?

[forest edge]

trying to get you killed

can't really blame it for trying tho

[weak musk]

Is gemini just like Amazon's AI retail store? The one that was powered by a bunch of people in India watching cameras in realtime?

[tidal bronze]

Finally I switched from assistant to Gemini to try this shit out. I do like the Gemini Dialog

[forest edge]

you mean for everything like on your phone etc?

[tidal bronze]

They can watch all they want, I love amazon fresh quick in and out.

[weak musk]

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/04/amazon-ends-ai-powered-store-checkout-which-needed-1000-video-reviewers/

[weak musk]

the idea of it was great

the tech was fake, which is a bummer

[tidal bronze]

Still active.

[forest edge]

that's hillarious

[weak musk]

ok, "is fake"

[tidal bronze]

You didn't hear me the first time. I don't care how they do it. It still works with the cart.

[weak musk]

I can hear, agree, and still be bummed

[tidal bronze]

I only wish they did facial recognition for wine so I don't have to talk to anyone.

[weak musk]

Nothing annoys me more then using self checkout and still be forced to talk to someone

like, there is a reason I'm chosing to buy stuff this way, and it isn't because it's convienient

[tidal bronze]

Amazon fresh cart is flawless for me unless you drop a bottle of wine in there.

Palm checkout is also cool

10000 people can watch, record and and take home my shopping videos as long as it's convenient for me. Lol

[forest edge]

GroceryFans.com

[atomic delta]

This one's a Zigbee Energy Profile. I know of no way to read that offhand. If you're aware of some method to do so, I'd love to hear it.

[tidal bronze]

Right on bud. Me like

[atomic delta]

Correction: no way other than a $100 device that my utility doesn't support.

[weak musk]

hot potatoes are in your area

[tidal bronze]

Potatoes, that's all they got.

[weak musk]

yea, but they're hot

[tidal bronze]

As in middle earth humidity caused hot, yep

[wispy needle]

Hardware throwing me here - is this an ok place to ask for advice on hardware?

[weak musk]

#1284966353798697001

[wispy needle]

Oh okies - looked like some weird thread format I'm not used to. My bad

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/potato-emmy-emmy28potato-gif-24833658

[weak musk]

https://tenor.com/view/potatoes-lord-of-the-rings-gif-22857078

[tidal bronze]

Best to just ask and then get booted rather than asking to ask 😆

[tidal bronze]

Made some lobster for ya yesterday.

[forest edge]

does putting them into boiling water really count as "made"?

[tidal bronze]

We don't do seafood boils here. It's 365 grill country

[forest edge]

wouldn't a better definition be, "tortured some lobster to death yesterday"

[weak musk]

what about leap years?

[tidal bronze]

366th tatare

[static schooner]

And on the leap day, the grill rested

[weak musk]

This morning I saw someone dragging a clam on a leash. It left me thinking how hard it must be to walk with a pulled mussel...

[tidal bronze]

New season of Lioness is eventful

[atomic delta]

Zigbee Energy Profile isn't the same as Zigbee.

[weak musk]

Here’s one for middle earth: how do farmers party?

They turnip the beets.

[atomic delta]

And for some reason I now have turn down for what stuck in my head.

[static schooner]

<wishes we had #dad-jokes>

we do have #botspam , though

[frigid girder]

you could expose it over your router

[keen bridge]

Try #1284965988642590891, but you may want a custom card or similar.

[forest edge]

well picked up the food pan. critters will have to wait till after Halloween for free food.

[static schooner]

That's when they start haunting you

[forest edge]

like a train

[iron granite]

Why don't they lick the camera?

[real frigate]

lol it’s like a whole family.

[real frigate]

Food > camera lens?

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

[forest edge]

if they were able to lick this camera I would call in the military

think it's safe to say there are far more supposrt questions asked in this channel than there was prior to the change lol

[iron granite]

#1284965988642590891

Yes.

[iron granite]

You put them higher up? Barbed wire? Landmines?

[forest edge]

this is the barn cameras, the other is my 4G reolink go

it was strapped to a tree

[real frigate]

According to @last cedar , raccoons can climb and lick cameras as often as they want. lol

[keen bridge]

... I believe that

They're sneaky, like giraffes

[tidal bronze]

They are on gummies, cameras next!

[static schooner]

That's an evolutionary path that we do not need to see

[keen bridge]

And yet, ChatGPT will insist it's reality soon enough

[iron granite]

Giroons (or Raccaffes) on gummies

[tidal bronze]

Yep, on Camino gummies

[pliant snow]

I’ve got a matter over thread network, but I’ve gotta add a bunch of Phillips hue devices. Should I use the hue bridge or should I add a Zigbee network by some other means?

[young sigil]

#1284966617670881350

[pliant snow]

👍

[topaz zealot]

If your utility doesn’t support connecting a device to the home area network (HAN), there will never be a device that you can use, regardless of the price. There are devices cheaper than $100 also.

[desert hatch]

is tyler's album as good as everyone says it is

[weak musk]

https://tenor.com/view/what-is-going-on-obama-what-now-so-gif-15127146

[hardy apex]

not as good as bob's album

[quaint elm]

hello guys

[tender prism]

What about the rest of us...

[forest edge]

ugly giant bags of mostly water can go f themselves. https://youtu.be/LAlqp0_a0tE?si=ZZmIhJipv0epsFHE

[tender prism]

OK sandman

[last cedar]

Especially @forest edge s cameras

[atomic delta]

Wtf, my android HA app just decided to go light mode everywhere but the settings page, where dark mode is selected.

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/lordoftherings-hobbit-galandriel-gif-4796866

[atomic delta]

Can't find a fix. This is irritating.

[forest edge]

when in doubt.. ||give up.||

[atomic delta]

Ha, found the fix. Weird though.

In case anyone searches for the same issue and finds this: dark mode can be specified both in companion app settings and in user settings. No idea why it's in both places. The latter was what I needed, despite the former working previously.

[forest edge]

#1284965926336335993

[atomic delta]

Yeah, but I already sorted it. No reason for me to post there.

[lone dagger]

For others?

Not many will search here, I don’t think.

[atomic delta]

Fair enough, I just assumed people would search the server, but I posted it.

[crisp oriole]

Gave up giving up many years ago.

[crisp oriole]

did someone poison the water cooler?

[solar zealot]

Maybe we need to turn up the heat

[weak musk]

https://tenor.com/view/side-eye-woody-toy-story-gif-12533271407395811170

[grizzled gull]

I needed to scratch an itch and wanted to play skyrim again, its been a few years, looked at some of the mod packs, this one takes up 380 gigs.... for an 11 year old game lol, sorry for the random comment

[iron granite]

Oh that evil posin

[spice python]

Hi, didn't visit discord for a while, and now suddenly many groups like #1284966353798697001 and #node-red-archived are on read only. Can anyone explain?

[iron granite]

This Discord has been restructured. If you don't see the new channels, go to id:customize and select the appropriate settings.

[static schooner]

https://discord.com/channels/330944238910963714/1282832216409509909

[spice python]

Yes, I saw something like that, it is grouped better, right? So are the old channels not in use anymore?

[iron granite]

They are read-only

[spice python]

So who is adding content to them?

[static schooner]

nobody

they are archived and only used for searches

[spice python]

So are they an archive now, yes

I'll try to ask a question in the new subgroups, see how it works...

[eager ember]

Buying a home. Going from renter’s mindset to homeowner’s…

All the things I can upgrade to now is making my head spin

[grizzled gull]

I'm kinda curious what new things you can do? I mean install hardwired stuff comes to mind, but well you coudl techincally do that with a rental

[iron granite]

If you don't overhaul the complete electrical system to something like KNX, start small (e.g. with lighting).

[grizzled gull]

I find myself at that nice point where everything just works, other then a random POS zwave switch dropping once in a while

oh and zigbee controller needing to be reboot about once a month

[eager ember]

I held back from doing certain things bc it’s a rental, and not knowing what my home eventually would be like

Going from zigbee bulbs to switches is a big investment for a rental. But not for a home I own

I have a couple ceiling fans in the new house. Getting a smart switch for that is something now worth the investment as a homeowner, imo

Part of the calculation isn’t just the cost of the equipment, and time to setup and config. It’s also the tear down to move lol

[fading surge]

I would love to intsall switches throughout my house

[grizzled gull]

I wish someone still made my contollers I have for my fans :/ I don't think they are made anymore

[eager ember]

Bulbs are easy to unscrew. Unmounting a ceiling fan is a different level

I was looking at the inovelli series

Seems simple and highly recommended

[grizzled gull]

Meat, for ceiling fan for new house you may not need to even drop the ceiling fan, just the cover on the top

where it mounts to the ceiling

[eager ember]

You forgot the other part of the equation, or I forgot to mention the most important coefficient - the wife. She already wants new ceiling fans 😒

[grizzled gull]

are you refering too https://inovelli.com/products/zigbee-blue-series-smart-fan-light-canopy-module

[eager ember]

Yes this

[grizzled gull]

I'll keep that in mind if mine die, I have some King of Fans things from Home Depot that took a lot to get working well