the-water-cooler

[forest edge]

https://h2testw.org/

neat little tool that spawned from the massive amount of fakes being sold

[solar zealot]

Interesting I'll have a look at some of em tomorrow

[forest edge]

german's apparently like rock lol https://youtu.be/VlD9AcNp13c?si=WWRqtreMF_T2Zeio

[real frigate]

I thought Germans were all into The Hoff?

[static schooner]

lol:

One of which is even named for another state

[dusky plank]

https://tenor.com/view/ummmmmm-excuse-me-what-gif-19629790

SD cards not get hot

SD card do not do that

hah but I also had a sd card literally burn in a pi

#the-water-cooler message

there you go

it was so hot that it cracked the glass when I tried to pull it out

[crisp oriole]

In rotterdam you can buy 13 surf waves for 50 euro.

[forest edge]

we take our nature preserve very seriously in the middle

[forest edge]

musk just announced tesla is still #1 ev in the world

looks like they may actually make an suv model in the future

[last cedar]

Safetyequiptment

[last cedar]

According to him or facts?

[forest edge]

rich people don't lie about stuff like that cause other rich people wouldn't let them get away with it

[glacial knot]

😂

[last cedar]

Shockedpicachuface.jpg

I love the fact that they have driven innovation, and forced other manufacturers to shift focus from ices

But I hate how all cars are just giant tablets with a steering wheel

[forest edge]

yes you think they are #1 we get it

[last cedar]

All new cars*

[forest edge]

he did make one statement I didn't care for

saying the batteries are outlasting their cars

had a diagram showing battery percentage up to 200k miles

as if 200k is the hard "life of the car"?

also implied you had to drive x amount of miles to have your battery last up to 200k. those who don't drive much are sol

[glacial knot]

it is at the manufacturing quality of Tesla 😂

[clear ferry]

to be fair most teslas don't last 200k

heck, many don't last 70k

My collegues model 3 didn't pass the first EU-test after 4 years and 60k km, and that car had already replaced headlights twice, rear lights once, one window elevator, two break calipers, two heat pumps and a few door mechanisms, and the 12v battery

he said he has been in the shop 28 times in 2 years so far

[forest edge]

yea pretty sure they get side swipped well before 200k by volvo's etc

[clear ferry]

he's gotten the warranty extended 3 years so far

[forest edge]

early gens are going to have issues. not sure there is a vehicle company out there that dosen't have issues

even old established companies have issues

[clear ferry]

My audi 100 '92 had 420k km on it when I sold it in 2014

my audi a6 08 had 280k km on it when I sold it in 2016, my father still has it and it has done 370k km now

[forest edge]

you cannot compare diesel lol

[clear ferry]

my current xc90 I've had for almost 3 years, and done 60k on top of the 50k it had when I bought it, been in the shop twice, once for a noise from the roof curtain motor and once for rear caliper electric wire swap

[clear ferry]

the 100 is petrol

[forest edge]

200k on a petro car is pretty good. considering at that point it's other things that make you want something new, not necessarily anything wrong with the engine or transmission etc

I kind of get the 200k remark on the tesla graph

but I don't agree with 200k being a cars eol

[clear ferry]

I don't think I have ever owned a car that did less than 250k km tbh

from 92->18 models

the only one that did 250k was a Golf 3 '93 with a blown head gasket, in 2012

[forest edge]

200k miles is like over 300km

[clear ferry]

yes

321 is still a ridiculously low number

[forest edge]

yea but as you said, you traded up around that range

[clear ferry]

when I still did stuff outside of home office I did 50-60k km total per year, then a car would only last 7 years

[forest edge]

so you kind of fall in line with that eol remark

[clear ferry]

based on that statement

[forest edge]

they didn't say teslas die at 200k. just they used that number in reference to eol. which I didn't care for

the battery chart they showed still showed like around 80% at 200k

but again, that lead me to thinking that 200k had to be put on the car in a shorter time frame than I would put 200k on a vehicle lol

[clear ferry]

not sure what warranty tesla has on batteries these days, volvo does 8 years or 160k km \ 100k miles , and if capacity is below 70% at that point they replace them

[forest edge]

google search states 8 year or between 100-150k miles

I don't get the mile or part on a battery

that seems dumb

I get miles stipulation on like mechanical parts etc but for a battery that seems stupid

[clear ferry]

not really, it defines the number of charge cycles

[forest edge]

gross.. while I get the ewaste part of it.. I do not like they can just slap in a reconditioned battery as a replacement lol

[glacial knot]

miles is probably an approximation of charge cycles that works for cars 🤷

[clear ferry]

fun stuff about evs in norway and e-waste

because the cars are so heavily subsidized, mostly any kind of damage to a car that is close to the battery mean it will be totalled, because it is more expensive to repair it (repair is not subsidized) than actually paying out the value and letting the customer buy a new car

[forest edge]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/scaled/2015/03/31/17/2728DD0100000578-0-image-a-91_1427819766556.jpg

[last cedar]

@clear ferry just done the timing belt on my V70 for the 3rd time, it has just done 294K

So it is almost driven in now

[clear ferry]

vølvå

[forest edge]

wtf? that is driver error or lemon lol

[last cedar]

It is done every 165k, or every 10 years

And it is a 1999 model 😄

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/tTEVVraHFO9.gif

https://tenor.com/1Jpz.gif

[forest edge]

oh haven't watch 5th element in awhile. need to go que that up

[iron granite]

Multi pass?

[static schooner]

it says "oil" for a while and then just removes that word if you ignore it

like "no vacancy" signs

[tidal bronze]

@static schooner Tempest, one of the best install experiences so far.

Mounted, integrated to Rachio + HA, Under 10 minutes

[static schooner]

it's pretty good. I wish I had the combined unit that's solar powered, though. The Sky eats batteries and is a pain to replace them

mine is the ancient pair from the original Kickstarter

[tidal bronze]

Oh.

Just realized there are like 20 near me 🙂

[forest edge]

just what you needed. something that tells you the sky is blue and you don't have to rely on your eyes

[tidal bronze]

Now to change all the automations that use wind speed

[ocean oar]

By "Tempest", this? https://shop.tempest.earth/products/tempest

[tidal bronze]

Yes

[ocean oar]

Looks pretty good

It always annoys me a little though when the hubs for those sort of things don't have Ethernet/PoE rather than just WiFi/mains power.

Or even an option for a $5 more expensive one because not everyone is going to want that.

[tidal bronze]

Wifi is just fine for something like this.

[ocean oar]

It's more the proliferation of devices and power adapters that irks me

WiFi is fine, but that means it has to be plugged in

PoE is one cable from a power source I already have, and I never have to think about it again

[tidal bronze]

Can go in a corner of the garage. It's USB C so I plugged into one of my USB multi output supplies

[forest edge]

whats the point of the solar power thing if you have to plug it in?

[tidal bronze]

The gateway Mr. Smartless

[forest edge]

wtf is has a seperate device for a gateway?

[tidal bronze]

This is how blue it is.....

[forest edge]

throw it away

it's junk

[tidal bronze]

Throw it in the direction of KC?

[forest edge]

isn't that brighter than the sun?

wtf you got this thing pointed at? lol

[tidal bronze]

At the Sun

Yep it's a pool kinda Friday

[forest edge]

I dunno.. that lux might suggest solar flare.. you might grow an extra pinky outside

[static schooner]

That's not a pinky!

[tidal bronze]

That's what she said

[forest edge]

ugh 87f and I need to go mount this camera for my farm driveway

this is gonna suck

[tidal bronze]

Wanna dip in?

[forest edge]

a hot spa during a hot day?

no thanks

[tidal bronze]

Heaters are off. 78 and crisp

[iron granite]

Don't you need boiling water for lobster?

[tidal bronze]

Lol. In about 1 hour gotta attend to my crab. Thanks for the reminder

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-sir-yes-boss-military-salute-giving-honor-rip-gif-23161689

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/jilagaa-vundhi-thodelu-animals-gif-scratch-gif-18974830

[solar zealot]

a very weird bunny

[iron granite]

Frigate says it is a dog

[tidal bronze]

LMAO. Trust in Frigate

[real frigate]

Frigate says my dogs are cats, soooo.

[tidal bronze]

Looks can be deceiving. Trust Frigate

@forest edge Singaporean Chilli Crab. Just the way you like it.

[real frigate]

That looks delicious.

[tidal bronze]

Thank you. They usually make it with small blue crab. I like mine with Dungerness 🙂

[real frigate]

Dungeness crab > blue crab

[tidal bronze]

Yes

Size Mud Crab > King Crab > Dungeness > Blue

Taste Dungeness > Mud > Blue > King

[real frigate]

Yup. You got it right. Man, now I’m really craving crab.

[crisp oriole]

https://mastodon.online/@[e-mail]/112559854419044213

[winged obsidian]

One of my family's favorite meals is fresh dungeness crab, green salad, loaf of sourdough, melted butter with garlic, local sauvignon blanc. Sadly, our dungeness season was short this year.

[forest edge]

https://youtu.be/D6eusBL3dtc?si=f-4dcuZg8GGSFDCi

time to print some stuff

[winged obsidian]

You could print a better house for your camera ants

[last cedar]

Foreman is mad at me

[tidal bronze]

In inches?

[static schooner]

These aren't the plans for the doghouse!

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-no-moon-obi-wan-kenobi-starwars-death-star-gif-10170550

[tidal bronze]

@static schooner did you compare tempest with any other sensors?

[static schooner]

Not really. I see that the temp is exactly the same as a cheap Oregon Scientific reads, but the humidity says 91% and the OS says 77

[tidal bronze]

Got it. Trying to understand what type of calibration process they use.

[static schooner]

PirateWeather says 73%

My hardware is completely different than yours, though

[tidal bronze]

I see some complaints about the calibration process with tempest.

When sun hits I think the deviation is little too much.

[static schooner]

I think the split air/sky units are probably a better solution

[tidal bronze]

https://help.tempest.earth/hc/en-us/articles/4474015786011-Tempest-Sensor-Calibrations 🤣

[static schooner]

I see that I need to replace the batteries in my Sky again. 8 AAs

[forest edge]

I told you it was showing brighter than the sun.. lol

[forest edge]

@tidal bronzefinally found out how some of the crap you drink is made lol https://youtube.com/shorts/PT8AXGXo_sc?si=qwyjrT0iXYyjN7LT

[solar zealot]

lol

[tidal bronze]

That's middle earth trying to figure out life. Come on now, we don't talk or dress like that 🤣

[forest edge]

that is very californian lol

[tidal bronze]

Huh? What language is that?

[forest edge]

just cause you all can't understand one another lol

[last cedar]

Always

[forest edge]

this was awesome

https://youtu.be/3rW7gfApGhk?si=3aM1uVZpf1q6yFxD

[weak musk]

Which one of you is this?! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pO7sn8flQZ4

(the home owner)

[proven python]

Just watched that video - wow. I want that remote! lol

[clear ferry]

I saw 3 seconds and knew I didn't want to see anymore and I hope he is being medicated for that adhd

[forest edge]

that almost sounds like pure jealousy lol

[glacial knot]

adhd=being american

[forest edge]

yea.. the german word for it is too long

[clear ferry]

People with that much RGB need to get tested

[glacial knot]

Aufmerksamkeitsdefizithyperaktivitätssyndrom? though I don't think it's actually spelt as one word

[clear ferry]

Isn't everything in German?

[forest edge]

just rolls right off the tongue

[glacial knot]

nah, we have spaces. Sometimes. Contrary to Japanese

[clear ferry]

Norwegian is pretty simple, no word is ever split

But English influence makes the kids screw up

And I hate it

[forest edge]

lol english influence aka it's just easier

[glacial knot]

well, yea. modern English is dumbed down to the lowest common denominator

[forest edge]

what would you prefer? Mandarin?

[glacial knot]

Nah, tonal languages are weird

[clear ferry]

Simplified English is confusing anyway

Colour > Color

[clear ferry]

One upwards intonation versus a lower one makes a number into an insult, great fun

Which is why I'm never gonna bother with Thai

[forest edge]

no one has time for an unneeded u. 🫵

[glacial knot]

well, yea. We see where that attitude leads you

[forest edge]

what does that mean?

[clear ferry]

Noone needs U when you have daddy 1%

https://tenor.com/view/risa-bezos-speedball-gif-19767173

[forest edge]

they are predicting we will have our first trillionaire in 10 years

maybe thats him

[glacial knot]

with how blue origin is melting money?

[clear ferry]

[forest edge]

https://youtube.com/shorts/tcYdZGsn-G0?si=UqfsJ53nHt3i1vwD

[iron granite]

RIP

Also the original videos can be found at TheKifness

[tidal bronze]

Very interesting. Nothing like having the capability and resources to make things you actually want.

In-wall, I guess 18" subs, FTW

[solar zealot]

I see, people are driving in circles for a day again

[solar zealot]

"why is my network ass slow"
the aps:

[glacial knot]

what's a network ass?

is that what they call atx?

[solar zealot]

come on ui, release the U7 mesh

[twilit venture]

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/new-linux-malware-is-controlled-through-emojis-sent-from-discord/

[solar zealot]

as if discord isn't malware enough

[glacial knot]

checks URL of current page

[forest edge]

@last cedar can you spot the filament?

[last cedar]

Is that an eye trail? 🤣

No more filament for you I guess

[forest edge]

eye trail?

can't spot the filament?

it's heading for processing

[static schooner]

I was wondering what the bright spots on the upper left were too

[solar zealot]

the forbidden stinky raccoon

[forest edge]

reflective tape

[static schooner]

some sort of "Cheshire Raccoon" that only leaves its eyes behind

pfft, I prefer my theory

[tidal bronze]

Why do you monitor nature? Checking if things makes sound in your absence?

[forest edge]

I really wouldn't expect someone who has never seen nature to understand

[tidal bronze]

Oh I get it you are teaching frigate new tricks.

Just in case one of us decides to move in to the woods

[forest edge]

well we do have to monitor for a lot more than just sand and rabbits lol

@tidal bronzeyou should come on down. i think you might like it

https://giphy.com/gifs/3orifhgq0Z0kb8qxpu

[prisma briar]

Anyone else regularly have the thermostat control set the temperature to the max whenever you try to change it?

Curious if it's something I did or something in HA.

Like, I'll drag the thermostat control to 70F and it'll jump up to 86F and I'll have to sometimes repeat that 3 or 4 times.

[tidal bronze]

Nest?

[prisma briar]

No, they're controlled through esphome and one is Zigbee

I've had this issue since I first set them up two years ago, I just never bothered looking into it until now

Automations work fine though which is why I was thinking UI issue

[tidal bronze]

Oh. Sorry don't know much about UI. Don't use it much.

[tidal bronze]

Indeed, behind some large windows in a hotel room at 68

My neighbors RF weather station just seen a white walker.

[forest edge]

Prelude of what's to come

[forest edge]

Can just be lag between browser and HA.

[static schooner]

Winter?

[forest edge]

Wouldn't that be fitting for what normally nice weather on the warmer side

[static schooner]

It's a marketing ploy for the second season premiere of House of the Dragon

I really need to go the store before it closes...

[tidal bronze]

That and Dexter. Interesting times ahead

[static schooner]

I hadn't heard about the Dexter spinoffs. I kinda think it's run its course...

<I escaped, BTW>

[tidal bronze]

Dexter Origins. I think shooting starts this month in LA

Oh damn. HoD S2 is ATMOS.

[static schooner]

We'll see. The original show was so much better than the book series. It's a bit of an outlier that way

I didn't really feel like New Blood had a point

Other than finally killing him off once and for all 🙂

[forest edge]

I didn't think the shooting ever stopped in LA...

[static schooner]

Shooting wasn't really Dexter's thing

[forest edge]

@last cedar Nooo it's escaping..

nooo it freed others!

[ocean oar]

Brought the babies!

One of my neighbourhood possums brought a baby to see me once:

[forest edge]

funny how much your possums look more like our racoons than our possums

[ocean oar]

Aside from pointy faces, they really don't have a lot in common

https://www.bobvila.com/articles/possum-vs-opossum/

[forest edge]

it's as if two people on opposite sides of the world decided to name different animals practically the same

[ocean oar]

Does happen. With plants and animals both

There's a plant that's native to NZ - Harakeke, in the original Maori - for which the English name is "Flax".
Thusly named due to its use in weaving into fabric, but bearing ABSOLUTELY NO RESEMBLANCE WHATSOEVER to the European plant of the same name.
Seriously: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phormium_tenax vs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linum_usitatissimum

[forest edge]

isn't the word flax more of a nickname than an actual plants name?

[glacial knot]

Language prescriptivists are automatically wrong

[forest edge]

really kind of wished I had known I was going to get into cameras back when I redid this house. would have ran so much more cat lines to places

[winged obsidian]

Could have at least run conduit so the ants could get some use from it

[midnight glade]

Has anyone ever installed HA and Gitlab on a Raspberry PI 5 with SSD and both are performing well?

[weak musk]

#installation-archived can help with that

[forest edge]

good to see some push back.

https://youtu.be/wArh9aARCrw?si=T0aC2Rt5JbcsUuUy

[winged obsidian]

As best I can tell amidst all the unrelated babbling, there are two things in this story:

1. Governor rolled back some direction that was established by an earlier iteration of Virginia government. Somehow he wants people to believe that California passed laws in VA or something?
2. Governor blocked some emissions standards. That will be relevant just as soon as more than zero auto manufacturers produce vehicles to the lower standards. Until then, irrelevant. That’s where the relative sizes of CA and VA economies matter.

[static schooner]

The only control that states really have here is the formulation of the gas that's sold within their borders. We're not going back to segregated car sales

[forest edge]

I think it was just a stance against following CA laws. According to that video 16 states basically just adopt whatever CA put into practice and on this particular situation VA is not going to auto adopt

[static schooner]

the point is, though, that it's performative and doesn't matter at all

California will save Virginia from itself

[forest edge]

I'm more curious to see how the CA EV milage tax will play out

think one of the things I read threw numbers around like 30 cents to the mile rotf

[ocean oar]

That's been a contentious thing here in NZ too. To try and encourage EV adoption the government made them exempt until a threshold (I think 3% of registered vehicles being EVs).
Now there are a lot of people getting up in arms about the tax titled "road user charges", which are charged at $75 or so per 1000km (about $0.065 USD / mile).
It's a system that's been used for diesel vehicles since I can remember (and scales upward by axle count / vehicle weight). Petrol includes the tax at the pump.

[forest edge]

how do they handle the milage count to charge appropriately for the diesel?

[ocean oar]

Odometer for passenger vehicles

I think wheel hub counters for trucks

[forest edge]

so they are subject to like yearly insepection to obtain those numbers?

they are trying to do away with general vehicle inspections here

[ocean oar]

We have yearly safety inspections, so I assume that. I've never owned a diesel vehicle so haven't actually had to deal with that part of the process.

[forest edge]

so not sure how they will obtain those milage numbers to charge when a vehicle dosen't need to be inspected every year or whatever

[orchid rose]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeSNEXKxarU

[forest edge]

@tidal bronze doesn't it sound tasty?!

[static schooner]

do you need to be pregnant to order that?

[forest edge]

lol maybe

[weak musk]

I’ve seen plenty of burgers with PB and bacon, jelly though? That’s borderline criminal.

[forest edge]

not just jelly but also with cheese

can't even picture that

[ocean oar]

Sweet condiments in burgers are fine. It's the peanut butter I have issue with.

[weak musk]

NOOOOOO

[weak musk]

It oddly works.

[winged obsidian]

The chipotle honey just sort of…ties it all together?

[weak musk]

The more I look at it, the worse it gets

[ocean oar]

Lemme see if I can find the photo. One time in a cafe I ordered chicken & waffles, and it came with cheese, bacon, and ICE CREAM

Bacon maybe. Maple syrup definitely. Dairy products is pushing it

[winged obsidian]

CA doesn’t have yearly full vehicle inspection, but we do need emissions certificates every two years. They take odometer mileage as part of it. Automation infrastructure already in place.

[weak musk]

Why ruin chicken and waffles like that

[winged obsidian]

I’d have a problem with adding the cold to the mix. Chicken and waffles shouldn’t be cold.

[forest edge]

every 2 years wouldn't really be good enough in terms of taxing milage

[winged obsidian]

Yeah, the infra is there so it could be yearly, but that would be annoying.

A few insurers doing mileage-based rates too. I don’t know how that’s managed.

[weak musk]

Smart phone or modules that plug into the OBD port

[winged obsidian]

For insurance you mean? That also would annoy me, because I already have a full time OBD occupant. Stereo head has instrumentation display.

[weak musk]

No, for the chicken and waffles

Yes, insurance

State Farm does it with smart phones, which seems problematic to be honest

[winged obsidian]

I don’t know how the insurance would validate either. Seems pretty easy to fake that data. Gets messy if there’s an adjuster and it doesn’t match, but in the meantime it’s not like that data is secure.

Bonus problem for State Farm: what do they do about iPhone? Last I checked, OBD readers that work for them have to use wifi because Apple in their infinite wisdom hasn’t exposed enough of the Bluetooth api for OBD dongles to work. WiFi dongles kill the battery if they aren’t turned off manually. Completely gross.

[weak musk]

It’s either/or they use the phone or a device in the ODB port.

But I agree with you otherwise

[winged obsidian]

Hmm. I was thinking Bluetooth talks to phone.

[weak musk]

That would make too much sense

My question is how do they even know what car you’re in? Or if you’re driving?

[winged obsidian]

I wouldn’t mind my insurer knowing my mileage. Speed and current location, not so much.

[weak musk]

Or other telemetry that is very much available with standard smartphones

[forest edge]

vehicles will just end up needing to be connected at all times. every bit of information constantly. prob force some kind of sat link or at the very least cell data at the owners expense but required to even be able to register a vehicle

[weak musk]

Truly exciting times we live in.

[static schooner]

Virginia will save us from such tyranny

[tidal bronze]

Honey and jelly. Nahhh not zero sugar.

Who eats grape jelly in 2024 anyway?

[forest edge]

you got a problem with grape jelly?

https://tenor.com/view/kevin-hasbu-gif-24045254

[static schooner]

If purple had a taste...

[ocean oar]

"fun" fact, the grape flavouring that resembles concord grapes (I understand frequently the flavour of grape jelly) are also used as bird repellent

[forest edge]

makes sense since the same state that exports most the grapes is also the state that has killed the most birds lol

[forest edge]

@tidal bronzeguess it's that time of the year for you all. 🙏
https://youtu.be/UFd87j03sfk?si=kl8dsDNLiJECNwGl

[forest edge]

awesome. now they becoming regulars

[forest edge]

and thats not even including the 4080

[blissful zodiac]

Well... That's something.

But hey, they all work together with 0 delay even though they're all different technologies.

[forest edge]

always exciting in the beginning to get a bunch of different stuff to work together

[blissful zodiac]

Yup.

I ordered a Zigbee dongle too, since I now have 2 Zigbee floodlamps.

And I'm a novice to HASS, too!

[forest edge]

yea sounds like you are falling down the rabbit hole

just don't end up like this one guy that I still remember sharing with us about this bright idea of putting his bathroom light on a motion sensor and having it turn off the lights mid shower

[blissful zodiac]

The motion seems like a nice idea, but putting your lights on that isn't.

Like if it detects motion, yeah, turn them on, but don't let them be turned off unless you press a button.

[forest edge]

you'll find out a lot of stuff "sounds" nice but in practice not so much so. but it's a good learning experince lol

[blissful zodiac]

Everything is a learning experience.

There's one automation with high family approval.
If the Entryway door was left open for 3 minutes, we get a notification and it says it on the Echos.

Very helpful in the blazing summer heat.

@forest edge I have 2 Sengled Matter bulbs that will always disconnect from Alexa, but since I put them into HASS and made a "Hue Bridge" to bring all the lights into Alexa, it hasn't disconnected since.

And it's long.

[glacial knot]

🤣 good topic comment on the file

[blissful zodiac]

That's just the IT Standard.

You can also see the mistake I made.
I'm using default names from when they were setup.

So on June 22, I will be bringing the whole thing down to fix it all.

[forest edge]

why am i screwing around with zigbee? lol https://www.cnx-software.com/2023/01/14/esp32-board-with-lora-433-mhz-sensors/

just makes way more sense

[ocean oar]

Problem is the vast majority of LoRa devices out in the world are 868 or 923MHz

433M and 2.4G are technically supported, but neither is common

Although that looks like it's just abusing the radio to speak non-LoRa 433MHz?

[forest edge]

sounded like it could do both

[blissful zodiac]

I know LoRa from Helium IoT.

Planning on buying a DIMO Macaron for my Fusion.

[forest edge]

why the hell aren't there more 433 lora devices.. it would make sense and sell more if they made it work for both

[blissful zodiac]

FCC licencing?

[forest edge]

oh i see now

yea regulations

in the us lora is restricted to 915

[ocean oar]

The great news is if you're a bit nuts, you can also transmit LoRa by bit-banging a pin on a micro:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIdHBDSQHyw

[forest edge]

only eu gets both the 868 and 433

which is weird

since most of eu was more 433 over 315 on the older stuff

[ocean oar]

LoRa things I'm using are 922.2 / 922.4

But I think are the same hardware as for 915

The 868s have different RF bits

[forest edge]

they need to stop separating crap like this.

[ocean oar]

Indeed, losing per-country RF regulations would make life a lot easier

I, for one, would love to live in a country with competent management who were allowing the entire 1200MHz of "6GHz" spectrum for WiFi

But nooooooo, we're only allowed to use 500MHz of it

Bastards

[solar zealot]

we also would loose the silly output power ratings

why shouldnt my wifi be able to heat up my food

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/elf-gif-25581995

[forest edge]

https://youtube.com/shorts/4lvcCY9gfZg?si=6Yzk4_UOhsjmePLo

I can't quite make out what he is saying

[weak musk]

@lone dagger any updates on the discord changes?

[lone dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/bye-felicia-hiding-humiliated-leave-me-alone-girl-bye-gif-21567771

[weak musk]

😆

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/bad-movies-rule-double-dragon-movie-i-can-see-you-gif-3236750428534114002

[lone dagger]

Lol, apologies for real. The beginning of this month/end of last month COVID swept through my house knocking basically a week out of me. So I am super behind right now. 🫣

[weak musk]

oof. And no worries-- I'm pretty excited for the channel cleanup to simplify the routing etc.

(I'm sure it's not a priority)

[lone dagger]

You mean routing issues?

It really should.

It's gonna be Big Scary Change but I promise it'll make things a lot smoother. :3

[weak musk]

Big Scary Change is good in the long run

[clever mortar]

When well thought out, and not a "bright idea" from those in an ivory tower... (which, to be clear, isn't a problem I'm expecting/seeing here)

I've seen too many bosses push through change for the sake of it, and then wonder why it's all gone to shit

[forest edge]

you all make it sound like it's life changing or something lol

[lone dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/himym-barney-mindblown-neil-patrick-harris-gif-4570342

[weak musk]

says the guy that spends most of his time in #the-water-cooler lol

[iron granite]

Smooth criminal

[forest edge]

as others would agree, it's the most important channel

[weak musk]

I certainly learn the most here

[lone dagger]

Good thing there will be MOAR OFF TOPIC CHANNELS.

[finite blaze]

should i get zigbee or wifi smart switches??

"network overload" is not a problem for me

[red rock]

What

[clever mortar]

#hardware-archived

[forest edge]

not sure how to feel about that. segregation doesn't usually dosen't pan out well lol

[lone dagger]

This shouldn't be a shock to you, Troll.

[real frigate]

OH FFS... I have enough trouble keeping up with this one!

[lone dagger]

It's..not???

Why would you use that specific word? lmao

[red rock]

Honestly, I didn't really check the test server extensively

[real frigate]

It's Sonoma... why ask why?

lol

[forest edge]

whats wrong with using that word?

[lone dagger]

You could say separation. Segregation is often related to race.

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/mapache-pedro-gif-7206648027763736533

[lone dagger]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/336634251342512158/971086227870732378/image0-1.gif

[forest edge]

thats the problem with today. people read into meaning of words a little too much

[lone dagger]

"That makes sense, I'll work to be better about what words I use."
Thanks, Sonoma, much appreciated!

[weak musk]

DID YOU JUST ASSUME IT"S DAYTIME!?

[real frigate]

It's summer... when ISN'T IT DAYTIME?!

[lone dagger]

stares in 9:10pm sunset

[real frigate]

My damn evening TOD sensor runs for 45 minutes this time of year... 45 minutes of "evening" lol

[weak musk]

but for real, are we getting #offtopictrashpanda and #offtopictimeloop?

[lone dagger]

Mostly looking to build up specific hobby channels for everyone to access and self-selected roles for more "personal" types of channels - like a food channel.

[real frigate]

A food channel... well, that will make @tidal bronze and @forest edge happy. lol

[iron granite]

Join us for more HA receipes
https://images7.memedroid.com/images/UPLOADED725/641b1eab60fe5.webp

[real frigate]

lava should never be accidental.

[forest edge]

only the californians will be posting to it. the only benefit to the rest of us is the ability to save that little involuntary vomit reaction when looking at OT

[weak musk]

"Hey siri, how do I burn my house down"

[prisma briar]

As long as there's still one called #the-water-cooler we'll know where to go

[forest edge]

lol

thats kind of what i'm already picturing. a bunch of unused channels

[prisma briar]

topical off-topic channels

[weak musk]

see #thread-archived as an example

(jk)

[lone dagger]

Nope - this channel is getting renamed. 😄

[prisma briar]

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

[forest edge]

SonomaWorld

[lone dagger]

Like I said.

[forest edge]

just my throw in the pot for a new name

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/ill-allow-it-gif-9328164

[static schooner]

We can have all sorts of porn channels - food porn, cable porn, Midwest porn

[forest edge]

keep the porn part in the name so people know what those channels are really for too

https://tenor.com/view/sexy-yum-yummy-wtf-cant-stop-gif-7824892

[weak musk]

https://tenor.com/view/tiktok-dog-awkward-dog-confused-awkward-confused-dog-gif-2881577801438605193

[lone dagger]

I really cannot wait for the mods to get into the staging server because these are the top quality suggestions I expect.

[static schooner]

I live to serve

[forest edge]

I been running a community discord server since discord came out and I have entertained the idea of separating OT through various means like by category and even region which actually made sense in this case cause it was two separate communities due to game region limitations to begin with but in the end everyone just wanted to to be in one big melting pot together regardless

everything else is seperated but when it came to OT, people just wanted to be in one room

[static schooner]

Is it for Farmers Only?

[forest edge]

starcraft lol

[weak musk]

either way, you don't have to be lonely.

[forest edge]

blows my mind how many still like playing old games

[static schooner]

We used to play Starcraft in the office after work back in like 2000

[forest edge]

yea the original actually had a multiplayer demo

through lan.. which worked great for the computer store I worked for lol

[lone dagger]

I do get this. The beauty of things is that there will still be the main "off topic" channel - this one. The others will be self selected so that those who don't want the "noise" from the channels don't need to be subjected to it. :3

And I do expect them to be quieter channels! That's the thing about self-selected roles - typically only those really active will select them.

And that's like...I dunno 100 people in all reality on a daily basis?

For example, the WinAdmins server has...13k members now? There's maybe 50 people average in most of their self-selected off topic channels.

[indigo charm]

Im gonna make a lot of HAOS automations with the vacuum and mop today

[forest edge]

too bad discord dosen't allow linking channels across servers.

combine the OT of like 5 or whatever servers into one big OT channel lol

names could have the server they reside in appended to the end of thier tag or something

[forest edge]

like a battle to the death and HA keeps score?

[indigo charm]

battle to death?

[forest edge]

yea, some of those integrations allow for control of the units so one could automate a whole battle between them using service calls and automations

[indigo charm]

that sounds complicated, home assistant would need to know both of the unit's locations

[lone dagger]

Doesn't the device show where it is? Is that exposed to HA? CAN it be???

I am curious, I still hardly know how this shit works. 😂

[iron granite]

You can use cats to operate them
https://youtu.be/BXnHBzeZh8c

[indigo charm]

Unless I use 3rd party integations, I dont things so.. The official Irobot integration doesn't really do much in HA

[weak musk]

https://tenor.com/view/its-robot-fighting-time-robot-fighting-time-battlebots-robots-activate-faruq-gif-20291385

[indigo charm]

I got one xD

I'll need to get another cat tho

a 2nd one

[lone dagger]

I have a RoboRock, I wonder if the basic integration has that or if I would need to flash it.

[indigo charm]

Idk much about roborock vacuums, I guess they would work better in HA

[low harness]

I don't think the default roborock integration has location info. You probably need valetudo for that.

[tidal bronze]

Pretty simple with point and go.

Even if goto coordinates are the same how would it be a fight unless the front micro switches are disabled?

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/shiba-dog-fight-cute-adorable-gif-14907558

[tidal bronze]

I gotta try oneday. Sadly 3 roborocks run in 3 different levels. 😢

[forest edge]

holy crap they are finally starting to ban cellphones in schools

the general IQ just went up

[tidal bronze]

LAUSD 😆

More kale less tok

[forest edge]

think i might have this homelite xl chainsaw buried with me

don't want anyone else to have it guess it's just too good lol

[weak musk]

Perfect if you get buried alive

And you haven’t mastered your 3 inch punch

https://tenor.com/view/paimai-training-kill-bill-punch-gif-17107589

[torpid grove]

got a flat tire on my bike and my second ever ride in a police car today. they're very cramped in the back seat

what fun

[weak musk]

Is the police car ride unrelated to the flat tire?

[torpid grove]

nope

he gave me a ride to my car

and told me to be careful in the bad neighborhood where he picked me up

just now, trying to figure out where I was when it happened, I realized that I was about 2 blocks from a good friend's house

it was a very stressful ride though, crammed in the back seat with my dog and my bicycle, hoping not to get shot

[forest edge]

ah sounds like LA. right @tidal bronze ?

[ocean oar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaZmZakFQek

[torpid grove]

mmmm, cilantro

[prisma briar]

Had to take my derp to the vet, dumb dog ate my order of onion rings while I was out of the room.

They made her vomit and now she's half loopy on sedatives, lol

[static schooner]

Nevermind the onion breath!

[prisma briar]

My roommate's dog got into them too but he barfed on his own when we got to the vet so they didn't charge me for him, lol.

And he didn't get some weird morphine injection to make him vomit

Benefits of a wont to vomit dog, I guess

[winged obsidian]

You can looks up online the right mixture of highly diluted hydrogen peroxide and water to make them vomit. It’s similar to ipecac.

Source: Great Danes are morons and get into everything

[prisma briar]

That's why my roomate's dog puked when we got there

But I hadn't seen it work or researched it so I took her to an after hours vet

It wasn't that bad, about $200

The vet said she would have probably been fine but $200 to keep her from being sick for a week is worth it

[forest edge]

had a few cats get into a few things they shouldn't. vets always tell me as long as they didn't gorge themself on it then they would probably be fine. vomiting is the first sign that they say I should bring them to the vet

[prisma briar]

She ate an entire order of onion rings, she would at least have been sick.

[forest edge]

i guess it's starting..

https://youtu.be/huNdXJuDMUQ?si=yq36Ph5ros-2q-Q4

[blissful zodiac]

Getting ready to move my personal laptop to Fedora.

[forest edge]

don't do it! linux still sucks for so many things!

[winged obsidian]

Toxicity is relative to the animal's weight. Great Danes tend to have sensitive stomachs, but an advantage is they can eat a surprising amount of chocolate or onions or whatever other bad thing without doing real damage. A disadvantage is when their system needs to disgorge a lot out one end or the other, it can be a lot. I had to have one pumped, and the result was a bag of liquid about the size of a volleyball.

[snow hedge]

🤷 I've been daily driving Linux since around 2007, Windows/OSX still suck for so many things 🤣

[winged obsidian]

Mac user here. Not perfect, but less suck overall.

[snow hedge]

I'm a big fan of analyse use case and pick appropriately. Linux is great if you're a software engineer, or if you only want to use a web browser and nothing else. OSX is great for music production, if you're a gamer you should probably be on Windows, etc etc.

[forest edge]

very little these days you can't do on windows

[winged obsidian]

When I go to meetups of sw engineers, the mix is usually very heavily macs with <5-10% linux and windows. Which way the linux/windows balance tips tends to depend a bit on the meetup topic.

[forest edge]

I dunno how anyone can like mac

[snow hedge]

Indeed, in my company they only buy OSX laptops for devs, told them I bring my own hardware; keep the mac 🤣

[winged obsidian]

It's rarely a can/cannot do issue, especially with WSL2. More about ergonomics.

In my particular role, the biggest aggravation turns out to be Visio. Omnigraffle is 1000x better. MS has gotten every thing else effectively to parity.

and homebrew covers the vast, vast majority of CLIs you'd find on Linux.

[snow hedge]

To be fair, I don't think I could do half the stuff I do on Linux every day on Windows, Windows might be able to do it to some lesser/worse degree, but for example, I run hyprland, a tiling window manager, Windows can't do that, there are some Windows tiling managers, but they are vastly inferior.

[winged obsidian]

I also use a lot of JetBrains, which (mostly) DGAF which platform it's on.

[snow hedge]

and I don't think OSX can do ☝️ either

[forest edge]

you referring to snaping/resizing windows?

[glacial knot]

Mostly web stuff? 🤔
Infra is a lot Linux heavier

[winged obsidian]

Can't do what? The tiling manager? Probably not. There are a few add-on products. I don't use a wild amount of glass anyway.

[neon hawk]

if u want to use Linux use Linux

[snow hedge]

Nope, go look up hyprland on youtube if you're curious 😄

[neon hawk]

dont justify yourself 😉

[forest edge]

I did.. saw mostly just window management which windows can do

[snow hedge]

Yea, can't do tiling manager

[winged obsidian]

Production systems in my world are almost all either RHEL or Windows servers, or K8S. None of those makes for a competent desktop.

[glacial knot]

K8s on desktop is fun

But you need to push through quite a bit of the isolation to get useful graphical output

[snow hedge]

Notice the lack of close/maximise/minimise buttons to start, positioning is done in a very different way. You use keyboard shortcuts to organise everything, Windows automatically resize themselves to use the available space. For me personally it's better. Especially with a super ultrawide.

[glacial knot]

I don't think I've ever seen a windows server in practice o.0
Besides the one server my old job had for RDP to use crappy windows only software marketing liked

[winged obsidian]

You are more than welcome to take every last one of them away from me. Gah.

[forest edge]

that's just personal preference tho.. not some indicator that windows cannot do most of what linux can if not all

it's getting harder and harder to really rip on windows tho you have to admit. linux never closed that gap like so many had hoped

[winged obsidian]

Lots of Python. Lots of people who use fleets of servers anyway, so the laptop is just directing processes.

[glacial knot]

No thank you
Windows isn't allowed in prod here either way

[forest edge]

the whole games aspect is what frustrates most of my friends who daily drive linux.. always got a chuckle out of that

[snow hedge]

Sure, but the original statement was that there's very little these days you can't do on Windows, tiling window manager was one example, there are more 😄

[forest edge]

well windows does.. just not the fine tune features you want lol

(yet)

[winged obsidian]

Back to ergonomics.

[forest edge]

thats really only because someone hasn't made that manager yet as well.. not that it cannot be done

[snow hedge]

problem is by the time windows catches up, Linux will have already left and done something else cool. I'm probably going to be migrating to NixOS soon, declarative builds is something that Windows can't do.

[glacial knot]

Just use windows CE

[snow hedge]

based solution imo

[glacial knot]

Also kinda why I'm not gonna try nixos again
It's a very weird hybrid of pre-built and dynamic system

And I want either or, since I get to do proper measured boot with one

[snow hedge]

Suppose I'll find out if I hate it when I give it a go 🤣

[forest edge]

most people who have an issue with windows seems to have a job or something that forces them to have to deal with all the major os's regardless so it's like.. whats the complaint? your already running all 3 lol

[glacial knot]

It's cute
And If you are ok with being on an entirely separate set of configuration it's nice
It's better than the apt style for management as well

He seriously can't imagine people have workflows that work well
Windows users....

[winged obsidian]

whats the complaint? your already running all 3 lol

lol, that is my complaint. Get to deal with the worst of all of them. Yay!

[snow hedge]

Amusingly, the thing that actually pushed me to switch to Linux originally was:

2006, 32bit OS were the norm. Bought new PC with 8GB RAM, so needed 64bit, choices were XP 64bit or Vista, went with Vista. System would boot once, and blue screen on subsequent boots. I tried reinstalling a few times, then gave up and went to Linux. Never really looked back. I did eventually figure out that Windows update was installing a broken driver for my network card, but by then I was happier on the Linux side

🤷

[forest edge]

thats weird

[winged obsidian]

On Windows servers, my complaint isn't that things can't be done. It's the low bar of dipshits who can do it so very wrong, and the antiques that remain in production with mystery dependencies.

[snow hedge]

Windows update breaking windows installs is weird? 🤣

[forest edge]

every windows version had it's issues no doubt but can't say i've ever met anyone out of the gate have issues to drive them to thinking linux was somehow easier to work with lol

[snow hedge]

🤷 I'm the odd one out I guess, Linux just worked. Windows as apparent didn't.

[forest edge]

I remember the big push computer companies tried doing when they first sold computers for slightly cheaper that came preinstalled with ubuntu vs windows

that did not go as they had hoped lol

[snow hedge]

I'm happy that framework exists, they allow me to choose no OS for my laptop saving me £100+. I really hate paying more for a laptop to purchase an OS that I'm literally going to day one wipe.

[winged obsidian]

I'm not convinced that it didn't. They had a judge to please, and did it with minimal cost to themselves.

They had a gravy train to keep going.

[forest edge]

the average joe could not operate ubuntu

[winged obsidian]

Right, and they had no real interest in fixing that.

[forest edge]

i think there might still be some articles with dell customer support issues that showcased just how bad it got

[winged obsidian]

Probably, althought TBF showcasing all the ways Windows has gone wrong for various customers is...voluminous.

[forest edge]

well thats another thing in itself. I believe it was easier to help people over the phone with windows than linux

the irony is, windows started out not that much diffrent than how linux is and yet people managed alright back then but then I guess UI made the masses lazy or something lol

[snow hedge]

depends what for, my mum daily drives Ubuntu, and statements like "It's not doing what I'm telling it to do" while touching the non touch screen are examples of her technical level. If you just want a web browser and nothing else, and an environment where the user can functionally do no wrong, Ubuntu is actually really good for that. I know my mum can click on all the "You've got a virus" popus and nothing will happen 🤣

[winged obsidian]

UI made the "masses" exist. Joe average computer user in 1990 had a very different set of skills than in 1995, 2000, 2010, 2002.

(FWIW, I was using X-Windows in 1990, and good luck supporting that beast over the phone 😄 )

[forest edge]

android in particular I would agree with 100%

[winged obsidian]

I'd put my father on a Chromebook, but he's so used to mac it would not be worth the trouble even though the only apps he uses are the browser and the email application. As you'd expect, email is 99% spam and idiotic facebook memes.

[forest edge]

chromebox was a god send for me with my mother lol

[snow hedge]

haha yea, chromebook is also a good choice for that sort of use case

[winged obsidian]

My wife and one of my kids are both teachers. Having their students on those has been hugely helpful. Their own district-issued machines are macs 😉

[forest edge]

now we enter the realm of flavor linux vs flavor linux lol

[snow hedge]

I use :arch: btw

[forest edge]

which is just as fierce as the linux vs windows haha

[winged obsidian]

Flavour rather than flavor from some, no doubt.

[snow hedge]

aww, custom emojis disabled 😦

[winged obsidian]

And that's not helping the phone support story at all.

[forest edge]

what do you mean? I do not see ubuntu being like android

[snow hedge]

Also I suppose touching on window manager stuff again, but, one thing that works really well for me in Linux land. We have workspaces (which I don't think exist on Windows or OSX?), basically think virtual monitors that you can switch between.

I have 4 physical monitors, each with 10 workspaces, and I can switch with keybind combinations, so super+3, 4 switches monitor 3 to workspace 4. I can also send windows to a workspace the same way just hold shift. 🙂

[winged obsidian]

I meant all the window managers, wasn't referring to android at all.

The only android in my house is a few TVs. I have no problem with Android itself. Not a huge fan of the amount of DNS blackholing my AdGuard had to do for those boxes though.

[snow hedge]

Ugh I despise Android, generator of e-waste and poor design. I wish we had a decent alternative, but we don't.

[winged obsidian]

macOS has "Spaces" for that. TBH, I don't use it enough to be efficient. Not necessary for me.

[snow hedge]

fair 🙂

"Oh your software is out of date and the manufacturer won't release an update, guess you'll have to buy a neeeeeeeew one oh noooooo"

[forest edge]

my buddy runs manjaro or whatever that is.. huge linux guy.

[winged obsidian]

Who/what is that addressed to?

[snow hedge]

what, Android 🤣

[winged obsidian]

Ah.

[forest edge]

android works for what it's installed on

not like your gonna use some ancient phone forever etc

my mom is still chugging along on her asus chromebox 3.don't even remember how old that is and they still release updates for it

[snow hedge]

disagree, I rooted my Oneplus 6, used magisk to bypass all the stupid root detection stuff things do. It's still very performant, the charging port on it has died so I plan to get it repaired.

the hardware is fine, the software isn't

[winged obsidian]

Incentives in Android marketplace versus iOS have some weird differences, because the HW upgrade dynamics are different. People are more likely to change brands for Android, iOS has the lock-in aspect.

[snow hedge]

for reference, OnePlus dropped support for the 6 back in 2022

[forest edge]

thats the manufacture tho.. not the underlying os

[snow hedge]

Disagree, the manufacturer should have no part in me being able to update my OS.

[forest edge]

yea well.. that will likely never change lol

they all have to lock in thier own

[snow hedge]

Agree, sadly. There's nothing on the horizon that'll fix it.

[forest edge]

but as you said, you still could bypass and go another route

[snow hedge]

I do yea, but it still results in a lot of perfectly good hardware going to landfill, which is sad. I'm sure in the future society will look back on this stuff poorly.

[winged obsidian]

For reference - my current phone is a 2020 model and is running the latest iOS version. Developer's beta, actually.

[forest edge]

they designed phones to be chucked

that was purley greed intentional

but that has nothing to do with android itself

[snow hedge]

Yep, Apple does better with this

[snow hedge]

I disagree, Android could be designed with proper update mechanisms, just like Windows, Linux, OSX, FreeBSD, ...

[forest edge]

not really.. it's not much diffrent than diffrent flavors on linux

the manufactures build thier own

[snow hedge]

Huh? On a normal Linux distro, the manufacturer doesn't have any say in whether I can update or not. I don't have to like, wait for Asus to release a new kernel for my motherboard, I just update?

[forest edge]

like blaming debian for something mint sucks at lol

[forest edge]

thats the difference between proprietary

but again the base android at the root is not at fault

the only thing android is at fault for is back support for apps in earlier versions.. but that again is the same with any os

[winged obsidian]

Android could be designed for field updates, but helping you keep your old brand X handset for a few extra years isn't going to make you all that much more likely to replace it with another brand X instead of a brand Y next time around. No real ROI on that investment to keep you up to date.

[snow hedge]

No it's not, the same can be said about Windows and OSX which are proprietary, but not about Android.

In my view, the reasons are, largely:

• Android provides no generic software update mechanism, every other OS does.
• Google enforces features such as locked bootloaders for a lot of basic functionality

[forest edge]

its sticky to compare anything linux to like windows

the most is like comparing osx to that homebrew mac

[snow hedge]

It isn't when the point I'm making is that "Every other OS on the market can software update without manufacturer intervention but Android can't" 🤣

[winged obsidian]

?

[forest edge]

linux flavors have thier own update servers

[winged obsidian]

Oh, you mean the x86 boxes that were hacked to run osx a few years ago?

[forest edge]

it's not generic in that sense

[snow hedge]

Exactly, which aren't anything to do with hardware manufacturer, again, I don't have to go to Asus every time I upgrade my OS 🤣 but with Android phones, you do.

[forest edge]

but you blame android.. not the manufacture for that

I don't agree with blaming android for something someone else compiled with the intention of locking it down

[snow hedge]

I blame Android because, as I said, Google enforces features such as locked bootloaders and provides no update mechanism, which every other OS does

[forest edge]

there are tons of things that run some form of linux that is locked down that it's ewaste and yet we don't blame linux for that

[snow hedge]

Correct, Android phones are one of them, so we blame Android, not Linux, consistency 🤣

[forest edge]

which every other os does.. you have to limit that view to every other phone os.

[snow hedge]

Disagree, computing doesn't suddenly become different because the form factor is a phone

[forest edge]

it's was originally designed for phone only

it only grew beyond that

[winged obsidian]

It's hilarious that you two are talking about this like it's a technology issue. It's the economics, stupid.

[snow hedge]

To be fair, I am saying it's an economics issue, I opened with "Oh nooooo, now you have to buy a neeeeew one" - thought that made it clear

[forest edge]

yea but you are blaming android lol

not the manufactures lol

thats my issue

[snow hedge]

Correct, because if the software was designed correctly, the same as literally every other OS, the manufacturers wouldn't be in a position to prevent you from updating 🤷

[winged obsidian]

Google does not sell Android to consumers. Google sells Android to handset manufacturers. If manufacturers wanted easy updates to handsets, Android would support easy updates to handsets. It is that simple.

[forest edge]

then they wouldn't use android lol

and we'd be stuck with something that did give them that power

see the point?

[winged obsidian]

It is designed correctly. You don't like the requirements.

[snow hedge]

🤷 if we are deeming phones end up in landfill after on average 3 years as designed correctly, I give up 🤣

[forest edge]

it's 2 not 3

[snow hedge]

based, great design 🤣

[forest edge]

they want the avergae lifespan of a phone to be 2 years

everything is going that route

hell cars are like somewhere around 10 years now lol

[snow hedge]

I just bought a 15 year old car, it's fine 🤣

[forest edge]

but they didn't want you too

[winged obsidian]

I'm the guy with the 2020 phone running the latest OS version. You are the consumers in the market that is willing to buy a phone every 2-3.

(Also the guy with a 2012 model car, lol)

[forest edge]

i'm still using my pixel 3

[snow hedge]

Yea that's valid, one solution is to just switch to iOS. I've seen a lot of my friends doing that recently and can't fault it. I specifically chose a phone that is LineageOS supported which also bypasses the issue

[forest edge]

i switched to pixel to be rid of that manufacture lock down of android

no bloatware, no bs

[snow hedge]

Even Google is doing the 3 year thing on pixels afaik?

[forest edge]

still get updates

it's on 13 or whatever it is now

[winged obsidian]

Market speaking right there. Keep putting $ where your mouth is, maybe it'll move.

[forest edge]

you couldn't pay me to support apple

[winged obsidian]

Apple has been making an adjustment to deal with people holding handsets for longer the past few years. Mainly a function of the market-altering carrier locks.

[forest edge]

they didn't like the drop in market lol

[winged obsidian]

Nope, they did not at all.

[forest edge]

its all a scam tho.. baiting you in with false hope lol

[snow hedge]

This is indeed the way, proud framework laptop owner. Framework phone when, Voron not Bambu, etc etc 🤣

[winged obsidian]

The adjustment has been to focus on more expensive phones.

[forest edge]

that framework laptop is $$$

it's not the first modular laptop to exsist either

[snow hedge]

Honestly the framework 13 is actually quite well priced when compared to similar specc'd ultrabooks. I got mine pretty cheap too. I went for the base spec as I already had a SSD laying around.

[forest edge]

the other didn't last

[snow hedge]

Also framework seems to be proven for now, they have released a fair few mainboard upgrades

[forest edge]

is framework the original maker of that linux os phone?

or was that somethign else

[snow hedge]

Nope, framework have never done anything with phones

[forest edge]

there use to be a modular phone that ran linux os

don't remember the name of it

[snow hedge]

🤷 Project Ara? PinePhone?

[forest edge]

might have just died at the kickstarter

was the pinephone modular?

[snow hedge]

it's "modular", not really marketed as such, but it is repairable and has a suite of replacement parts available

[blissful zodiac]

I installed Pop!_OS on this laptop, and it found critical drivers that Windows never installed.

[snow hedge]

That pops 🤣

[blissful zodiac]

"Insecure versions of Windows Boot Manager"

[forest edge]

this one showcased being able to swap out the camera module, the cpu, ram etc.. it all put together like lego

I cannot remember the name of it

[snow hedge]

sounds like Project Ara, it never actually existed and was just a render

[forest edge]

might be this

https://www.onearmy.earth/project/phonebloks

[snow hedge]

🤷

[forest edge]

yea i think what I linked was what I was thinking of

never came to being

[blissful zodiac]

Ok, how does Windows not come with this by default?

I'm using wireless USB devices, and it has their battery levels right there.

[snow hedge]

You can also (using the same APIs) extract a lot of data about the battery in a lot of cases, eg percent battery degredation. It's great for knowing if replacing the battery would give you a significant battery life boost

Shame that's not shown in the UI there

also charge your phone 😓

[forest edge]

woman is about to fly out to jersey this morning. curious to see how that person location card in HA will show the map when she is half way across the country lol

[snow hedge]

I still need to figure out how to remove my old lodgers phone from the map, it has been showing his last location for months 🤣

[blissful zodiac]

It is charging.

[glacial knot]

Oh, that's gnome. I thought that's HA first

[blissful zodiac]

Now to log in on the new OS.

[forest edge]

so glad i don't do this twitter stuff lol

randomly run across a video that showcases just how much drama that is.. this channel with some of you fine folk is all the drama i need ❤️

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/drama-lion-king-oh-the-drama-best-actor-gif-10261664

[neon hawk]

https://youtu.be/hTiG9Dd8wjw

first livestream on the NEW ESPHome youtube chan!

please subscribe to our new chan 😉

[red rock]

I was the third who subscribed 💁

[iron granite]

HA! I already have it integrated in my HA instance.

[neon hawk]

what do u guys think of the new branding?

[iron granite]

CI wise it is more unified.
But I don't have any emotional binding to an icon.

[real frigate]

I really like it.

[forest edge]

surprised teslas don't have this https://youtu.be/AAtkoje4-eM?si=rqRcGJmb7QcxLb9T

[neon hawk]

I do to, its a very obvious thing to do - make an E from an ESP antennae and have it in the HA style to keep the same style across the platforms

and it works 😉

[iron granite]

What if it isn't HA style, but ESPHome and HA are OHF style

[forest edge]

apparently the HA app can't keep up with location updates while in air lol

[real frigate]

hahaha… probably the phone’s GPS that can’t keep up. Oh, and screw flying. 🤣

[forest edge]

300 bucks for a 65" 4k google tv.. the hardware in that thing sounds scary lol

[prisma briar]

My friend got one of those, lasted about 18 months before it started turning off randomly and it was slow af and full of ads

TCL/Roku are probably the best for low-end budget smart tvs.

Amazon's cheap-o TVs are basically the same as the cheap-o Google TVs but with Amazon branding, Samsung's low-end TVs are unusably slow, I haven't used a low-end WebOS screen but I've heard they're not bad.

[forest edge]

The Hisense I bought has a lot of nice features. just would have been nicer if they had gave it more ram

whoever advised that 2.5gb of ram for an android tv was enough was clearly wrong

[real frigate]

I gave up on buying TVs with Android in them. Just too many issues and the hardware was paltry compared to a Roku or AppleTV.

[forest edge]

well it's not android tv's now, it's google tv. from my research prior to buying this tv there is a diffrence.. not to mention android tv's are discontinued

[real frigate]

Yeah, it's been a long time (at least 2 years) since I bought a new TV. But I have AppleTVs on all of them and they are really good. The HA integration works well enough for me and no lag at all.

[forest edge]

yea the apple tv has some features I wish the android had

[weak musk]

Apple TV for life.

[torpid grove]

I have apple tv on the basement TV by the stationary bikes, my work office TV, and the tv room projector, but a googleTV with chromecast 4k on the tv room tv

i like both

[prisma briar]

I'm fond of my WebOS TV.

My Samsung TVs are both crap and unusable without dongles

[forest edge]

gross

[torpid grove]

I'm fond of treating every TV as a dumb TV, so they can't brick it

[forest edge]

i never cared for lg or samsung's os

not sure samsung uses the same as they use to tho

nope, they still do lol

[prisma briar]

I like LG's because it was easy to root and customize

[forest edge]

heh I had forgot the woman likely put her phone in airplane mode so the ha location card just did this quick update drawing the line across the country

[real frigate]

My LG has been delegated to one of my computer monitors. But my Vizios are pretty good. But I still have ATVs hooked up to them as well. So, really just dumb monitors at that point.

[prisma briar]

My LG is my main screen but 99% of the time I'm only using it with my PC.

That's where I play movies and YouTube from

[real frigate]

Same... and work too.

It sucks going into the office and going from a 60" monitor to a 27". lol

[prisma briar]

I have a desk with a 34" ultrawide for sit-down stuff, I only use my big screen for games and movies/tv anymore.

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/e-click-big-screen-wide-screen-gif-15481828

[prisma briar]

It was my main screen when I got it but sitting 3' from a 65" OLED was obnoxious

[real frigate]

lol true, but I'm so used to it now, it's hard to go back to a smaller screen... Plus, all the screen real estate...

Amazingly I still have good eyesight at least.

[clear ferry]

I have considered shifting to a huge ultrawide

But my head won't let me

[fathom sparrow]

as in there's not enough room for both your head and the ultrawide? or what

[glacial knot]

Yea, it's room filling

[prisma briar]

His head or the ultrawide?

[glacial knot]

Yes

[real frigate]

That's not a racoon... what is even happening here?!

[real frigate]

An "ultrawide" here in the US (and in the south) is a mobile home with 3 sections compared to a "double-wide"... They are not preferred by anyone at any time. lol

[winged obsidian]

Truthfully, I don’t like it. Nothing to do with the aesthetics on their own merits, it has to do with being the yet another light blue icon with an outline of a house. My phone is starting to turn into one of those Star Trek panels with no labels and all the same shapes.

[winged obsidian]

Ads, ads everywhere. AdGuard integration helps.

[winged obsidian]

Second mashed potato reference I’ve seen from Reddit in two days. Is there a new meme I’ve missed?

[clear ferry]

And the people who live there are also ultrawide

[last cedar]

Not sure, but that possum is cute af

[last cedar]

I know, but it is actually a raccoon in a possum costume

[real frigate]

Also yes 🤣

[clear ferry]

The mobile home thing is quite interesting though

Don't know any other country that does it

Nor understand why it is called mobile when it 99% the time is stationary and without wheels

[real frigate]

Oh, a lot of them still have the wheels attached. They just put skirting around the bottom to hide them. The reason is they are typically really cheap compared to a traditional house and mobile home parks usually make a killing on renting out spaces to them.

[clear ferry]

Different countries different stuff, Norway people mostly own their own house, apartments is usually an inner city thing, Amsterdam you can't own, only rent, US houses are just either a ditch or absurd mansions, and eastern Europe is most highrise apartment buildings

[real frigate]

Yup. True. I don't know about other coutries, but the US is the only place that I know of where we put these mobile homes in high-risk tornado areas. LIke, who was the brainiac that decided to put "houses" made out of tinfoil in a place where they can be torn apart in seconds???

[clear ferry]

Insurance companies love this one trick

[real frigate]

Insurance is actually optional in some states (South Carolina being one of them).

[clear ferry]

I've seen people in car crashes in the US who definitively don't have insurance

They run like the road runner

https://tenor.com/view/meep-meep-roadrunner-looney-tunes-run-fast-gif-5055539

[real frigate]

YUP... HUGE problem here. I've been hit a couple times by uninsured drivers... I have to pay more on my insurance because of them.

[clear ferry]

LOL

That just makes no sense

[real frigate]

Yeah, it's messed up.

[clear ferry]

If someone hit my car (with or without insurance) I wouldn't pay a dime

[real frigate]

lol one would think that would be the way it is, right? I mean, that's logical. What's funnier is that when someone gets pulled over with no insurance, they get a citation. No jail time, nope. Just a citation which they rarely ever pay.

SOOOO messed up.

[clear ferry]

if you get stopped without insurance here you will be cited $15 per day until you insure it, that said you cant drive a car with licence plates because your plates aren't valid unless the car has insurance

you probably won't be allowed to drive anywhere with it either and have to leave it wherever you are stopped

we can opt for either jail time or citation if we are stopped for anything in traffic, last I got a ticket it was to be too close to the car in front of me

$800 citation

that would be 7 days in prison

but that would also mean it would be on your record

which is not very nice

[torpid grove]

where is that?

[clear ferry]

Norway

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/soap-gay-bath-oops-gif-10322886

[solar zealot]

15 bucks for every day huh

That's less than the insurance cost over a year for people who start to drive

[real frigate]

Welcome to the US... land of the FREEDUBMS

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/bpPIX.gif

[clear ferry]

Only thing is, in norway you get your own cell, with TV and private bathroom

Typical norwegian cell

[real frigate]

Wait... cell?! Like prison cell?! lmao

Imma come to Norway and commit a bunch of crimes... that's better than a studio apartment here!

[clear ferry]

Yes, that said we have 32 prisons total with roughly 3000 total inmates

[real frigate]

That actually surprises me, tbh... with prison cells that nice, why are there good people at all? 🤣

[clear ferry]

Our houses are nicer, and the healthcare is still the same for convicts 😄

[neon hawk]

what are the re offending rates in Norway Vs USA?

thats the only thing worth comparing

[weak musk]

hahaha yep

it's <20% in norway

it's 76.6% in the US

[real frigate]

it's 76.6% in the US
That seems low to me. lol

[weak musk]

People really flock to the shining brutalist architectural examples found in US prisons.

[real frigate]

I toured the Brushy Mountain State Pennitentary recently... Holy crap that was eye opening. It's not still in use, but man oh man... the conditions were BRUTAL!

[weak musk]

https://tourbrushy.com/gallery/j2dus5nesc8tgdt5qv70mgwg90j8hk

can't be too brutal based on this

[neon hawk]

https://youtu.be/hTiG9Dd8wjw

[weak musk]

(kidding, it looks terrible)

[neon hawk]

5 mins till party time

[real frigate]

Holy crap! I forgot all about that mural!!! @last cedar RACOONS IN PRISON!

But, tbh, the real reason I went there was the road that leads out of the prison... First time I have ever been terrified of a road.

[weak musk]

Looks like a great reason to have a motorcycle

[real frigate]

Or a Mini Cooper

[weak musk]

https://tenor.com/view/theitalianjob-italian-job-1969-classic-gif-5075578

[real frigate]

That first S turn was insane. Then the rest of it... oh man... so much fun, but also terrifying as well. No guard rails and an insane drop off.

[weak musk]

that sounds like the road through Rocky Mountain National Park

[real frigate]

Love those classics too. The first Italian job was soooo much better than the remake. Although, the gen 1s that they used for the movie were some of the best that I ever drove.

[real frigate]

Probably, but NC is king of super twisty mountain roads

[weak musk]

tail of the dragon and such

[real frigate]

Yes sir!

The repaved Tail of the Dragon. SO MUCH NICER. I was just up there on Sunday and my poor tires were screaming around the bends.

But we also have the Diamondback (NC-226A) which is technically more challenging than the Dragon is.

[weak musk]

I still need to do it. I had a trip planned there before I moved west and it fell through due to timing.

[real frigate]

I still hold a record of one of the fastest times from the bottom of the mountain up to Little Switzerland. 8 min, 33 secs.

YOU SHOULD! Bucket list item for sure.

[weak musk]

Yes definitely. LOTS of cool things to do in that area of the country

[real frigate]

100%. Part of the reason why I live where I do. I'm about 2.5 hours from the Dragon, 1.5 hours to the Diamondback and about 3 hours to the Claw of the Dragon as well.

[weak musk]

That's prime.

[real frigate]

lol is it sad that I kinda chose my place to live because of the car I own? That's not crazy or anything, is it?

[forest edge]

that bed looks like cruel punishment to me lol

[weak musk]

lol no

I bought my house because it had the best yard for my dog. Do with that what you will.

[real frigate]

@neon hawk Do you have a link for that IR blaster???

[neon hawk]

https://github.com/kbx81/kbxIRBlaster

[real frigate]

Thanks!

[neon hawk]

i was helping a guy getting his homemade IR system working - now its working he wants to build Keith's version

[real frigate]

I really like how Keith's version looks and seems to work. I am still searching for the Harmony Hub replacement of my dreams and I am slowly getting to the point where I know I'm going to have to just build it.

[weak musk]

Gotta get in touch with that guy in the video I linked last week

[neon hawk]

#1183658014289428560 message

[neon hawk]

have a look at this

[weak musk]

that's sick!

[real frigate]

Yeah, I saw that. I wasn't sure if I really wanted to do something like that versus a hub.

I keep going back and forth on it, tbh.

[weak musk]

what do you need a universal remote for? I had/have a harmony but I barely need it (it really just powers on the sound bar + tv on my older tv at this point)

[real frigate]

For everything? So, my media in the living room has a TV, soundbar, AppleTV, XBox, PS5, etc. With my Harmony and HA, I can just tell Alexa to turn everything on, set the inputs, and then control the specific device that I need to (AppleTV for sources/content, soundbar for volume, etc).

In my office, I have 3 "monitors" (2 TVs and one actual monitor), plus a soundbar and my PC with an IR receiver. With a universal remote and HA, I can toggle all of them on, set the inputs and issue commands to the PC.

[neon hawk]

I have a device like this myself that sits on my keyboard

a touch screen that I can control a ton of things for and on the main page its a dashboard

in the next week orso I am going to be totally rebuilding that device to use the new LVGL support in ESPHome

[real frigate]

Alright… SOLD!!! I’ll put in an order for the parts this week.

[neon hawk]

havea look at lilygo and m5stack stuff - u might find a device that fits your needs already

with a touch screen and a rotary encoder built onto an S3

[real frigate]

Ok. Thanks @neon hawk I kinda do want to build it on my own, but then my laziness looks at me and says “buy it” lol

[weak musk]

Got it. I’m asking because I’ve had really good luck with cec in my home theater setup. Basically only use my Apple TV remote or PS5 controller (integrated to HA to do a bunch of lighting automations).

Sony tv, Yamaha receiver, Apple TV in the mix of that. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[real frigate]

CEC has always failed for me. Always.

[forest edge]

cec is awesome. just takes the right devices

[weak musk]

It’s been solid for me thankfully.

[torpid grove]

ah, that moment when the tubes finally warm up in the old radio and suddenly the volume is 100x louder.

[forest edge]

@tidal bronze my chef is gone for the week. wanna come over and share a tv dinner? lol

[tidal bronze]

Lost me at TV

[forest edge]

https://abc7.com/post/new-downtown-los-angeles-high-rise-building-house/14975022/

[tidal bronze]

Want a cookie?

[forest edge]

can't finish it cause the one bite you did have exceeded your sugar quota?

[tidal bronze]

Exactly, Fresh baked but, you know.

[forest edge]

fresh baked? it looks like you might be sitting in first class

since when did they bake cookies mid air?

[tidal bronze]

They have working ovens at 30k you know.

[forest edge]

more like plastic wrappers with an oven icon on it maybe

fresh out-of-the-wrapper

[tidal bronze]

This damn cookie is so good. But too much sugar. I always get back to my wine.

[forest edge]

with your diet.. licking the spoon that scoops the sugar for tea would probably make you feel in bliss

[tidal bronze]

Soon, we will have almond flour, monk fruit sugar cookies.

[forest edge]

umm no

did they bump the zero's memory to even be the full gig the rpi3 has

[prisma briar]

Not possible, it adapts port footprint

But still lol

[ocean oar]

TBH if the you were using Zeros, that'd probably be a quite useful adapter for setup/programming of them, rather than unplugging a bunch of cables each time

[prisma briar]

Or just flash them with ssh preconfigured

[forest edge]

seen those.. look something like this https://i2.wp.com/inthebagkidscrafts.com/wp-content/uploads/cookie-craft-featured-image-1.jpg

[glacial knot]

did you bite off parts of a paper plate?

[forest edge]

only form of cookie where he can eat the whole thing without busting his quota

[static schooner]

Is dunking a cookie in wine a thing?

[iron granite]

I have a recipe for red wine cake.

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/red-red-wine-ub40-goes-to-my-head-makes-me-forget-reggae-gif-17984549

[tidal bronze]

Yes sir!

[static schooner]

I feel like you're researching what cool traits you could get with a raccoon/opossum hybrid

[iron granite]

rapossum?

[winged obsidian]

Possoon?

[winged obsidian]

Cookie + wine pairings are tricky. Dark chocolate with a Cabernet Sauvignon. Almond cookies with a Pinot Grigio can work.

@forest edge perhaps start with Chips Ahoy and a Bud Light.

[static schooner]

that's quite yacktastic

[red rock]

oh yes I did that in italy

the almond cookies in wine

[real frigate]

Chips Ahoy and Whiskey is NOT a good pairing... Don't ask me how I know...

[steel crag]

bread too

[steel crag]

biscottis?

[forest edge]

who the hell eats cookies with alcohol?

[torpid grove]

people at parties

[forest edge]

parties that serve cookies isn't a party.. it's a woman's book club

[iron granite]

Have you attended one?

[forest edge]

I watched jerry maguire

[torpid grove]

I can't remember the last party I attended that didn't have both alcohol and cookies

[forest edge]

was there tupperware sets for sale?

[torpid grove]

no...

one of them had a live band... most of them had smoked brisket or smoked pulled pork

[forest edge]

ohh laced cookies.. I have heard of those being at parties. 👍

[torpid grove]

it sounds like you just don't get invited to parties

[torpid grove]

my team is making it very hard for me to sneak out early today

[static schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/officespace-lumbergh-thatwouldbegreat-gif-8309576667980376922

[torpid grove]

one of them borrowed a tool from me and I'll need it over the weekend

[prisma briar]

Go grab it from them without saying anything and just walk out the door

[real frigate]

Just walk up to them and say "MINE!", grab it and walk away and let them think about their life choices.

[torpid grove]

i'd have to know where they were to do either of those

[prisma briar]

Call them and walk around with an airhorn until you can hear it through the phone too

[real frigate]

You don't have GPS trackers on them? I'm starting to doubt your leadership skills.

[torpid grove]

you seem to have confused micromanaging with leadership

got my tool, time to roll out of here 🙂

[tidal bronze]

Forget the cookies. Gone Domicican!

[solar zealot]

what is the blurple stuff

[static schooner]

Looks like candle wax

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-yoghurt-eew-eek-disgusting-gif-25426124

[tidal bronze]

Chocolate

[solar zealot]

sounds surprisingly drinkable

[tidal bronze]

It is. I am not a cocktail person but this works.

[forest edge]

dark chocolate? why you always gotta pick the varation of stuff that ruins it? lol

[static schooner]

sounds like a $25 cocktail

[solar zealot]

they use fancy words

its probably 34.35

[lone dagger]

Random reminder from Server Mom:
If you are in an area affected by the heat dome or extreme heat, remember to drink more water. Rise in humidity can make it harder for you to feel when you sweat and you can get dehydrated faster. 😌

[static schooner]

Gotta get a step stool to reach the top shelf

[lone dagger]

Hilariously I came in this channel without reading anything before posting that....lmao

talks about drinking alcohol
Me: DRINK WATER.

[static schooner]

I guess there's probably some water in that cocktail

[real frigate]

Can we drink more water AND more alcohol if we are being affected by the heat dome? Asking for a friend.

[lone dagger]

You know what I am going to say, Bill.....

[solar zealot]

sounds like a yes!

[real frigate]

Obvs... but you could surprise me and be like "Yes. Do that." lmao

[lone dagger]

Hahahaha.

What I WILL say is if you drink alcohol drink EXTRA water instead of your regular amount. Please don't get heat stroke. It's not fun to boil your brain.

[real frigate]

You're assuming I have a brain to boil 😉