the-water-cooler

[ocean oar]

The pricetag is fairly eye-watering though

U4025QW

[clear ferry]

I've considered going huge monitor

But my workflow prefers 3x4k

Would have liked 4

[solar zealot]

We know that your workflow is full of money

[primal laurel]

I'm on 2x 4k 27 inch but I could add one more

[solar zealot]

I will need to get rid of my Samsung one at some point

It's fucking horrible

It being capable of displaying an image is a wonder considering how broken the software is

Can't reliably use the controls, it has input auto detection but it won't automatically switch

Also the massive 6? dimming zones

[dusky plank]

wtf apple

[solar zealot]

Some could say this is a bad apple

[dusky plank]

How common is it that a modern cpu just breaks?
My 13700k died last night, replacement takes 2 days 😣

[forest edge]

were these mounted 20ft from your desk?

https://tenor.com/view/desktop-monitor-working-long-gif-15029019

[forest edge]

did you have pi issues too? maybe you just have bad luck lol

[prisma briar]

.

[mellow parcel]

ive not seen a toasted. CPU for ages, but life happens...

[forest edge]

i've never had a ram stick die either but have a friend who has had that happen so I know it exsists lol

[mellow parcel]

ive had a ram stick die on me, when I. Desolderes tge ram chips off of it to reuse. Elsewhere

[crisp oriole]

Yes my roaming pi2 zero. to play music anywhere in the world now has voice assistant.

[mellow parcel]

ram sticks don't like missing. Chips for some reason

yes, the transplanted chips have worked fine for many years

[tidal bronze]

You still use Pi

[forest edge]

and eat it too

[tidal bronze]

Oh boy

[glacial knot]

crunchy

[tidal bronze]

5 days of Vino starts now

[forest edge]

is that like lent but instead you can't drink wine?

[glacial knot]

*only

[tidal bronze]

Oh it's always. Gotta stay home for 5 days 😞

I don't travel during major holidays.

[mellow parcel]

hmmm

[forest edge]

stuck at home for 5 days? whatever will you do? oh wait, you'll make us sick with your cooking pictures..

[tidal bronze]

Might hit the beach if there's no people.

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/buried-hungover-sea-water-splash-gif-19352039

[glacial knot]

You don't have a private beach? Or at least a friend with one?

[hollow glacier]

it's more fun to watch the poors

[tidal bronze]

Do, but their friends come over. People, not good for your health

[tidal bronze]

Don't have beer drinkers around here, sorry.

[glacial knot]

only vino

[tidal bronze]

Or Scotch, yes sir

[glacial knot]

Bummer, it's taken https://www.whois.com/whois/onlywines.com

they should just take domains away from non-practicing entities 😦

[tidal bronze]

I sold googledeeznuts.com now I regret 🙄

[forest edge]

that goes without saying after watching your news lol

[tidal bronze]

So Cate Blanchett likes champagne over cabernet franc?

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/thor-ragnarok-marvel-youre-welcome-welcome-hela-gif-16589522

@tidal bronzeso what kind of non meat sandwiched between two pieces of cardboard are you going to call a burger on monday?

[tidal bronze]

I am thinking lobster

Got some good Szechuan peppers from China. Going to do kung pao chicken Sunday dinner

[forest edge]

so glad I don't have to endure that

https://youtu.be/CEmtC6sMlqM?si=s9KAOva0tX5u4b1B&t=195

too funny

[forest edge]

is that cate blanchett?

are you talking to her or just snapping pictures from a table behind her? lol

I am a huge movie buff.. i really do not know if I could ever meet anyone in any movies I like.. be too afraid of it somehow impacting how I view the movies lol

[tidal bronze]

It changes everything. Worse if you work in the industry. For me ita forever ruined

[orchid rose]

I am a huge movie buff
Ain't no way... Gimme a top-5 so I can ridicule it

[tidal bronze]

Champagne over wine is picture worthy

[forest edge]

don't like her preferring to add a little sparkle to her wine?

[forest edge]

so what you are saying is just inspire to ever meet your heroes in the porn industry cause regardless of their personality your view of them on film won't really ever change much? lol

https://tenor.com/view/morty-you-dirty-little-doggy-morty-you-dirty-little-doggy-rick-and-morty-gif-22962925

[crisp oriole]

my music up/down/on/off/next/prev/<artist>/<radio>/<podcast> on expected device is finished.

[real frigate]

That is disgusting and I don't know if I want to stab you or applaud you. 🤣

[crisp oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

[tidal bronze]

They are the coolest nicest

[forest edge]

and how do YOU know?

[crisp oriole]

Never met a hero from the porn industy who wasnt nice.

[tidal bronze]

I would say, extra nice.

[forest edge]

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fpalzyblndgz31.jpg%3Fwidth%3D640%26crop%3Dsmart%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D4e42dd83f5a87bbd8668ce0cb2c3cbea2a38b5e8

[crisp oriole]

Are you gona chainsaw me to death if i tell you i gona add room selection based on my phone wifi ap point if phone is home and zelky (my music pi zero roaming system) isnt active

[real frigate]

Chainsaw? Psh... do I sound like I'm from Texas? lol (but actually... how??? Do you have an AP in every room?)

[tidal bronze]

AP in every room 🤔

[forest edge]

mud huts block signals through walls

[real frigate]

Right?! I mean, I have 3 in my small house (way overkill)... but every room?! lol

[crisp oriole]

living room master bedroom study/guestroom

[tidal bronze]

Too many APs is not a bad thing

Wow

[forest edge]

we should consult with our local expert on the matter @clear ferry he just said the other day he has like over 20 or something ap/routers

[tidal bronze]

LMFAO

You really believe the fiber dude?

[crisp oriole]

I had 3 free tp-link mesh from my inet provider. With working ethernet connections.

so i can plug in my voip phones

[crisp oriole]

@real frigate your on tweakers so i guess your not from texas

[real frigate]

Wait what?! What the hell? lol I'm on tweakers?! I don't know if that's a compliment or an insult.

[crisp oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/robert-downey-jr-iron-man-is-it-too-much-to-ask-for-both-best-of-both-worlds-why-not-both-gif-3787079

[lone dagger]

EXCUSE ME????

[tidal bronze]

@forest edge 1983 December 18th 20:23 Norway used the last magnetic strip. 1979 June 5th 06:34 last PSTN call. That's according to @clear ferry

[real frigate]

I took no part of that conversation!!! I've been framed!!!

[ocean oar]

Lies and scandal!

[real frigate]

In fact I've been helping in zigbee this whole time... lmao

[lone dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/wow-fascinating-interesting-fake-sure-gif-7626995

[forest edge]

it wasn't exactly exaggeration lol #the-water-cooler message

[tidal bronze]

That dude fucking cracks me up for real.

All those, "12 years ago. 19 years ago, 23 ago"

[real frigate]

Is this where you tell me to quit talking about porn and get back to work? Of which I DIDN'T TALK ABOUT NO PORN!!! 😛

[forest edge]

not talking about porn is a form of inhumane treatment

[lone dagger]

It’s Friday. Why are you still working?

[tidal bronze]

Don't have to be sorry for the ultimate reason for all technical progress in the world.

[real frigate]

Define "working"? Technically I'm on until 18:00 and then on-call until Tuesday morning.

[real frigate]

lol fair... but apparently I have a reputation now. 😉

[forest edge]

speaking of which. I need to get ready to head out. visiting the city today for the first time in awhile to go here to look for some garden tools. https://www.strasser-hardware.com/

[lone dagger]

I’m not sure you actually work ever.

[real frigate]

Fine... I'll add you to my PRs so you can see that I'm actually working... ooooohhhh and I had 4 miserable meetings today!!!

AND! I've been quiet nearly all damn day!!!

[tidal bronze]

Every one works, specially me

[tidal bronze]

Why on would you need garden tools when you live in a barn?

[lone dagger]

I’m not sure 80 less messages since yesterday is something to brag about. 🤣

[forest edge]

the whole concept is just foreign to you to the point where i question your citizenship lol

[real frigate]

It's still less tho... and quit stalking me! Stalker McStalkerstien! 🤣

[lone dagger]

It’s not stalking, it’s using my resources!

[real frigate]

Potato Tomato... or however that saying goes... lol

tbf, there are worse people that could be stalking me.

[lone dagger]

[crisp oriole]

wana trade?

[solar zealot]

fried ... tomatoes?

[tidal bronze]

@forest edge so happy this time we are not crossing middle earth this time around. No internet goblins. I wish this was the norm

[forest edge]

airlines can no longer afford to keep rebuilding what they lose lol

[real frigate]

I'm still waiting to hear why you have an AP in every room...

[crisp oriole]

Daft_dutch — vandaag om 23:34
I had 3 free tp-link mesh from my inet provider. With working ethernet connections.
[23:34]
so i can plug in my voip phones

[real frigate]

Must have gotten lost in the porn discussion that I was in no way a part of.

So wait... you only have 3 rooms?

[crisp oriole]

enough im alone

and i dont have a AP in the bathroom

the music in the bathroom automaticly switches to bedroom or living room music

[tidal bronze]

Oh wow

[real frigate]

lol well that's just lame... everyone needs an AP in the bathroom.

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/dance-shower-gif-18254923

[tidal bronze]

Huh?

[forest edge]

cheaper to purchase additional sam's than it is to replace lost airplanes

https://tenor.com/view/missile-war-fire-gif-9210231

[iron granite]

That is no SAM, but rocket artillery

[tidal bronze]

On another note, how about that market and BTC? What a great time to be alive ♥️

[crisp oriole]

O dear if im in my study it still uses my bedroom AP

[real frigate]

lol are you starting to rethink this whole AP presence thing yet?

[crisp oriole]

Needed to restart my wifi.

And it isnt my only control

[tidal bronze]

Restart? Wifi? Oh boy. No Bueno

[forest edge]

Did it finally raise to $1 a coin?

[tidal bronze]

Lol

[forest edge]

@tidal bronze your favorite

[tidal bronze]

Yes, the garlic +/- butter?

[forest edge]

Garlic? No it's sweet butter tho

[tidal bronze]

What a let down

[forest edge]

mmmm

[tidal bronze]

Where's the wine?

[real frigate]

C’mon… you can do better than Texas Roadhouse. Have some standards! 🤣

[tidal bronze]

Freshly baked cookies and wine 😆

[real frigate]

100% better than Texas Roadhouse lol

[forest edge]

nothing wrong with texas roadhouse.

[real frigate]

Sure… it’s great when you need a good clean out

[forest edge]

same is said for anything that isn't home cooked.. so not really saying anything new lol

[tidal bronze]

Everything

[forest edge]

how would you know? I doubt you even been in one lol

[tidal bronze]

Just the name

[forest edge]

not seafood sounding enough for you? lol

[tidal bronze]

Wish you had access to

No double double for middle earth

[forest edge]

so you make the uber go through the drive thru so you can stuff your face in the backseat of thier car?

[static schooner]

I've truly never considered taking an Uber to get takeout

Like UberEats, but you tag along for the ride

I'm disappointed that my cat has yet to figure out that there's a button on her food dispenser exactly at nose height that gives her food, but she sits there and looks at the dish and at me and back and forth until I press that button

[ocean oar]

The one we have lets you disable the button, in case your cats figure it out

My cats, I don't think that's likely to be an issue

[static schooner]

Yeah, I can disable it. I'm just curious if they'll figure it out

It's like it was pretty designed for them to smush their nose into it

[forest edge]

the second they figure it out is the second you regret not disabling it

holy hell batteries for tools are way too much

[last cedar]

Hmmm, reddit job postings for Home Assistant, I wonder if they need a remote raccoon mascot?

[crisp oriole]

On my phone

[crisp oriole]

@last cedar the raccoon also needs to work when the inet is down.

[last cedar]

My work as CGO || cheif garbage officer || is not cloud based

[forest edge]

I thought your job was to become filament?

inspire to better one self and all of that

[digital blaze]

what about remote eldritch horror

[clear ferry]

I have currently 13 powered APs in my house yes

[smoky lance]

Hi to all. I'm here for the first time. I dare to share a link to my friend's project. the project regarding the automation of air alarms in Ukraine https://www.reddit.com/r/homeassistant/s/pPZ1XjYd7P

[real frigate]

lol isn’t that overkill or do you live in a mansion?

[prisma briar]

He's just a klepto and none of the public buildings near him have wifi anymore

[orchid rose]

Insane what some people have to go through, but great to see that HA can do something to help

[clear ferry]

I have multiple wireless labs, simulated multi site with VPN and personal wifi

[primal laurel]

small botnet

[clear ferry]

No, that lives in the garage

[primal laurel]

lol

[solar zealot]

I think you got a couple wires on your wireless

[clear ferry]

Yes, common problem, makes it wiremore

[real frigate]

I feel like maybe you need a 12 step program or something 😉

[clear ferry]

No, I do need a payraise though

[last cedar]

You already make more than some of the poorer nations, how much more do you want?!

[clear ferry]

At least 20% more

[solar zealot]

That could probably buy you half of Africa

[forest edge]

or a half of cup of fanta in bangkok

[solar zealot]

that's some fine chess there

[forest edge]

@tidal bronze you excited? https://youtu.be/RW0l1dReGRo?si=L3HcrtJdnQbJQP2O

[clear ferry]

But the queens we use would not excite you

[forest edge]

what the hell https://boostr.store/

it's a dock with a built in gpu

[solar zealot]

Sadly radeon

But those ideas are good

[forest edge]

interesting that is also has a nvme slot

[solar zealot]

Pretty weird choice to further starve the GPU of bandwidth

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/goofy-hungry-starving-sad-so-hungry-gif-12828284

[prisma briar]

You can do 4 lanes of pcie over thunderbolt and oculink is 4 normal lanes over a funky connector, that's enough for a gpu to be a major benefit over some of the crap laptops come with

It's only a 7600m anyways

egpu docks also aren't new

I think Razer makes one

Or made at least

https://www.amazon.com/Razer-Core-Thunderbolt-External-Enclosure/dp/B07CQG2K5K

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/lift-up-the-titan-games-strong-big-box-race-gif-20034906

[orchid rose]

Did you figure out your Razer problem btw @forest edge? I had the program running for a bit and immediately noticed it felt sluggish

[forest edge]

no. here for the last few days I not had it do it but it will come back.. always does lol

[orchid rose]

Oof

[forest edge]

its software without a doubt. I think I did update the synapse like last week and maybe that cleared it up temporary but I see there is another update pending so that might bring it back. dunno

[orchid rose]

You'd think that a keyboard is about as simple as it comes these days, but apparently not

[forest edge]

well with all the built in storage for profiles and the weird functions they introduce I wouldn't exactly call it simple

one thing that kind of urked me about this black widow is the damn switches look like they are removable but I believe they are soldered in

so there are the holes for the removal tool for dirt and crap to fall into but you can't pull the switch to clean lol

[red rock]

https://youtu.be/j3AEKvsaYBE?si=6p5iClc8ywAqE3ht

[solar zealot]

[solar zealot]

[forest edge]

pretty much sums of the direction the world is heading in lol

waiting for the eating then swimming competitions. watch as the crowd cheers as one of the contestants has a stroke mid way through the pool after eating 109 hotdogs

[solar zealot]

so 108 is the limit

[static schooner]

somebody has to take one for the team, in the name of science

[solar zealot]

[last cedar]

Cats don't always land on their feet

@forest edge

[solar zealot]

looks like you are right

[forest edge]

aren't those known as Larv in your neighborhood?

[reef stream]

whats the best NFC TAG app for iphone?

[young sigil]

To work with Home Assistant? The Home Assistant Companion App.

[reef stream]

no i asked in offtopic because it wasnt related to home assistant

😅

[forest edge]

https://youtube.com/shorts/mobMcjuKdEk?si=7lYu2y25KBBBowJT

[forest edge]

@last cedarhttps://youtube.com/shorts/qMu_qPoWRmg?si=HVm1uyyjICxoNwJP

[low harness]

Woah! I just learned ICQ is going to shut down!

[last cedar]

God, now I have to fix this in Minecraft

[last cedar]

PSA: Don't forget to keep your anteater hydrated

[glacial knot]

that's a weird looking 🦝
quite the long 👅

[clear ferry]

Antebus

[glacial knot]

Is that a cow?

[real frigate]

That gave me nightmares… while I’m awake. If that ever happens, we’ll have to nuke it from orbit.

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/alien-sygourney-weaver-i-say-we-take-off-and-nuke-the-entire-site-from-orbit-its-the-only-way-to-be-sure-movie-quotes-gif-11314084

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/florida-man-gif-12769701

[prisma briar]

stinky raccoon

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/mapache-pedro-gif-7206648027763736533

[static schooner]

Raccoon on Halloween

[real frigate]

I have no words…

[iron granite]

Well. I saw a car from the city of Cottbus (their plate identifier is C). It is followed by 1-2 letters and 1-4 numbers.
They got one combination (or chose that - more likely), which formed a NSFW word

[real frigate]

lol what was the word??? I’m curious not.

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/nice-try-big-bang-theory-sheldon-gif-27503412

[forest edge]

beat ya to it? lol jk

[real frigate]

Hahaha yeah… dude stole my thunder. 😉

[tidal bronze]

@forest edge so what's on the grill?

[forest edge]

tomorrow... maybe https://www.hy-vee.com/aisles-online/p/760399/Apple-and-Brown-Sugar-Maple-Pork-Bratwurst

might be some cheddar ones too

[tidal bronze]

Pork kidneys just for ya

[forest edge]

you gonna cook those or just scarf them down raw?

https://youtube.com/shorts/VABH5nbChSg?si=xLLXohfotWw7D_Hx

[tidal bronze]

Hotpot with beef marrowbone on the side.

[forest edge]

I hadn't realized you had moved to some foreign land where the food was so scarce

[static schooner]

nose-to-tail is all the rage nowadays

[forest edge]

where the hell is this thing? https://youtube.com/shorts/wZINpv-zCIw?si=-TyOQxyYy-xL_Lda

[solar zealot]

Is it currently in a room with us

[solar zealot]

Today I decided it was time to buy a fan

I didn't see any monthly recurring subscriptions tho, have I been scammed?

[iron granite]

Don't worry! It's just the trial period.

[solar zealot]

I see

[static schooner]

I finally dedicated some time to getting my UCR2 set up and it's actually working pretty well. Fortunately, there are community-provided integrations for my LG TV, Kodi, and wake-on-lan that close the gap with the ones that are built and allow me to avoid a trip through HA for almost everything. I appreciate that the community integrations can be made into containers and that I can edit, debug, and modify how they work to my liking

Along with the HA integration that lets me kick off activities, it's working well and seems to be a good Harmony replacement. Going through HA was my first approach, but I found that to be slow for interactive things like cursor movement, and also complicated the setup

It's improved a lot over the last 6 months or so

[last cedar]

@forest edge is a cat, and is hiding in this picture, full of raccoons. Try and spot them

[glacial knot]

Found the kitten

[last cedar]

You did it quicker than me haha

The smell gave it away

[solar zealot]

Oh indeed there us

[static schooner]

Too subtle, IMO

[forest edge]

unrealistic you mean. no self respecting cat would hang with racoons

[static schooner]

I had to go back to Reddit and had the same failed strategy as the commenters

It's less about finding a cat and more about finding not a raccoon in the subtlest possible way

[forest edge]

the lack of mask stood out for me

[solar zealot]

You just need to chuck it into frigate

It will instantly tell you where the dog hides

[static schooner]

100 dogs

[tidal bronze]

Great to hear.

[static schooner]

I wrote up a few potential improvements here: https://unfolded.community/t/ui-tweaks-to-activity-setup/1772

I do wish that it had an extra row of hard buttons, and that it was a bit less slippery

[hollow glacier]

happy memorial day i have chikn and corn

[forest edge]

finally.. someone eating real food

[hollow glacier]

https://tenor.com/WT42.gif

[forest edge]

https://youtube.com/shorts/TNiGbq63xIE?si=GNf_aRN7c7dwFTwg

that is some talented dogs lol

[forest edge]

should be just relabeled. Gen Z haha

[winged obsidian]

Did you try onlyfans?

[solar zealot]

Some kind of it I guess

[solar zealot]

its an important meeting

[young sigil]

The Kodi integration would help but without a Yamaha MusicCast integration I'm still heavily reliant on HA.

[tidal bronze]

Yamaha in the mix?

[tidal bronze]

Looks good.

[red rock]

Yamaha has an integration right

[hollow glacier]

https://cooking.nytimes.com/recipes/1020543-mayo-marinated-chicken-with-chimichurri i did this but with kung pao sauce + mayo

[ocean oar]

I'm a big fan of grilled corn

Don't know why people cook it in the husk, if you're going to steam it just do it in the microwave

Oil and salt, get it a bit charred around the edges. Yours looks perfect

[real frigate]

I actually cook it in the husk on a charcoal grill with some smoking chips to give the corn both a steamed and slightly smoky flavor too.

[young sigil]

Not for the universal remote we are talking about.

[static schooner]

Better get on that! 🙂

Many just use the same underlying packages that HA uses

It's nice that the community integrations can be easily debugged and modified. I made them all into docker containers if they weren't released that way

[forest edge]

@tidal bronzejust got back from eating here tonight. https://elpotrokc.com/
pretty sure the rest of my evening will be pretty similar to if I ate out your way lol

[tidal bronze]

Interesting mix. 👍

Time to switch nucs to MS-01

[forest edge]

why? because it costs more?

[tidal bronze]

Oldest one is 2+ years. Don't want to replace fans and stuff in a pinch.

[forest edge]

i'll DM my address for shipping

help ya clear out some of the clutter you keep accumulating

[tidal bronze]

Too kind.

[last cedar]

Do you happen to have any ddr4 supermicro stuff that you "don't want to break and will give to a needy raccoon"? 🦝

[clever mortar]

That is, without a doubt, one of the ugliest cars

[solar zealot]

but you can leave it unlocked with the keys in and it wont get stolen

in fact the insurance pays you for driving it aswell

[tropic dew]

Is that a fiat?

They have never made a good car

[clear ferry]

We have a saying in norway, never cars that begin with F

Ford

Fiat

French cars

[solar zealot]

French anything*

[static schooner]

It looks like an AI picture of a car, where it doesn't really know what a car should look like

The AI 'weird hand' version of a car

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-simpsons-car-gif-8120474

[clear ferry]

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/sigma2_supercomputer-gracehopper-ai-activity-7201104376952721408-CdiL

[gleaming crater]

I made a high-powered ultrasonic dog bark deterrent box this weekend that runs esphome, complete with frigate bark detection. Being able to shut the neighbor's chihuahua up has been priceless.

[primal laurel]

frigate bark detection?

[clear ferry]

I should install one in my friends house with a nagging dog without saying anything

[gleaming crater]

Frigate has audio detection with a million sound event type choices

[primal laurel]

Ah okay'

didnt know

[gleaming crater]

I installed a voltage converter, esp8266 and an optical relay in one of these: https://myskunkworks.net/index.php?route=product/product&path=61&product_id=74

I made an automation that steps up the on time each time I hit a button

So first time the dogs only get 5s and it works its way up if they won't shut the fuck up

With a 5m cooldown

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/좋아-gif-26083078

[gleaming crater]

The box itself actually has it's own on/off behavior by default, it'll play the tone for 10-15s and shut off to keep from overheating, and wont run for more than like 10 or 15m in a single strech

But that's in the very loud mode, it's got a massive heat sink inside for the power driver

But it's verrrry quickly becoming a "bark off" button for the neighbor's dog

And it works on my own dogs, they ran out this morning and barked a few times before quickly shutting up and taking care of biz

[prisma briar]

My dog likes to go outside and give a single sharp bark at 6 AM

Go out, morning poop, single bark, come inside

[static schooner]

Don't you announce when you poop?

My cat announces when she brings her stuffed toy upstairs

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-monday-left-me-broken-cat-talking-cat-gif-4255367456898854409

[tidal bronze]

Frigate bark detection is priceless.

[prisma briar]

It doesn't detect every noise as a bark?

[tidal bronze]

No, really good haven't seen any false positives. Speech is not great but still usable.

[gleaming crater]

I've gotta play with the min volume levels on my setup, it doesn't always register the neighbor's dogs barking

[gleaming crater]

I got a ton of false positives for other triggers like gunshots and explosions

Anytime the construction workers dropped something on the ground down the hill from me

[tidal bronze]

Running default settings on all my cameras. Didn't tweak any settings. I am using for PiP pop ups when they are in the backyard.

Gotta test fire alarm one of these days

[gleaming crater]

I tried buying a zigbee fire alarm detector and it sucked and never triggered

[tidal bronze]

lol.

[forest edge]

those things are kind of controversial around here due to the potential damage to hearing for animals

[tidal bronze]

How come there's more PVC fittings in Amazon than HD

[forest edge]

because amazon includes all the weird shit no logical plumber would ever use

[tidal bronze]

LMAO

Water Pipe Crafts

[forest edge]

what are you looking for the hardware store isn't carrying?

[tidal bronze]

SCH 40 stuff. Adding an automated diverter valve to Spa blower so I can fine tune side Vs bottom bubbles.

[forest edge]

yea a single 3 way valve is not going to a common thing lol

[tidal bronze]

Plus bottom feed is 2" and sides are 1.5". So going to use a 3-way 2", reduce to 1.5"

[forest edge]

you are gonna be stuck using 2 ball valves on a Y

I hate pvc ball valves

worse crap ever

[forest edge]

you gonna pay those prices for that

those more specialty valves which are generall industrial cost an arm and leg

[tidal bronze]

$50 not bad, and actuator $100

[forest edge]

lmao

not bad he says

here you go

https://www.poolnspastore.com/custom-molded-products-s-handle-25043-107-000/

20 bucks

20 bucks is "not bad"

[tidal bronze]

lol not plug and play with the actuator

[forest edge]

so what the hell is the pipe that fits onto that?

[tidal bronze]

The actuator screws to the top of the Jandy type valve.

[forest edge]

yea I have a hot tub. not a pool.. no idea wtf that is lol

[last cedar]

I work with alarms, door entry and cameras and such, I wouldn't trust anything like that, as you found out, they can be very unreliable, and it isn't something you want to be unreliable!

[gleaming crater]

I have a monitored system now so I don't rely on that kinda dector anyways

[last cedar]

This is good!

I have sirens, strobes and sms messaging, and it turns my ventilation system off if they trigger (by design)

[gleaming crater]

Never thought about that last one but good idea

[tidal bronze]

Indeed.

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/zdf-heuteshow-heute-show-sun-morning-gif-7626467390295934119

[gleaming crater]

My system has a 110db siren outside my bedroom if it triggers, it's impossible to sleep thru I know for a fact when my kid opened a window in the middle of the night

[tidal bronze]

I would not be happy if fire is not centrally monitored.

[gleaming crater]

If it's a real fire, it takes very little time to lose everything

[tidal bronze]

Yep.

[last cedar]

Haha, I guess all your neighbours know too!

[prisma briar]

I have z-wave pro smoke detectors and they've been solid so far. My automations have fired every time I expected them to.

[tidal bronze]

I think I had 1 ZW detector ages ago.

[last cedar]

Here in Sweden, a central monitoring station will not call the fire brigade if a "basic" alarm goes. Installs at places like hospitals etc you can. So I really am not gaining anything by using one

[prisma briar]

Mine also do CO monitoring

[last cedar]

Would need a camera that was also connected to the monitoring station, and it isn't easy as a private person

[gleaming crater]

Here I just pay a fine if they show up and it's not a real fire

I think you get one freebie

[tidal bronze]

Fire alarms here are actually connected to the fire station. No need to route calls. Routing is only for burglar alarms and I am not interested in any alarm other than fire.

[prisma briar]

Here you have to have a permit for an alarm. They pull your permit every false alarm and you have to renew it, having a false alarm without a permit is really expensive.

[gleaming crater]

Here it's just another yearly fee for the permit + false alarm fines

[last cedar]

My rational was that I could use internal cameras and call 112 myself, and perhaps unlock doors remotely to save them from breaking down doors, etc

[tidal bronze]

That's a good course of action.

[gleaming crater]

If they don't have forced entry some insurance will deny claims

[tidal bronze]

My average fire response time is about 2 minutes. I think LAFD can handle far better than I ever could.

[prisma briar]

I had my system set up to call my phone for a while if it detected anything but my credits for my SIP service ran out

[gleaming crater]

I ordered my system out of paranoia when moving into seattle, turns out I moved into the lowest crime neighborhood in town lol

[prisma briar]

I'm more worried about fire than burglary

[tidal bronze]

Good for you. I haven't used a burglar alarm in a long time.

[gleaming crater]

Yeah the fire is my same worry, I have one of my monitored dectors right over the 3d printer lol

[prisma briar]

Yea, the 3D printers are my biggest concern

[gleaming crater]

My thermal protection settings are pretty aggressive on my firmware, unlike stock crealty firestarter firmware lol

[prisma briar]

Even then you're one inopportune MCU hang or power glitch away from the heater locking on

[tidal bronze]

With home use, I wonder how an insurance claim handler will address a printer caused fire 🙂

[prisma briar]

I'm sure they have standards for it now

[gleaming crater]

IT's not a UL-listed device, so get rekt

[prisma briar]

3D printer fires are pretty common

[tidal bronze]

Cheaper to get it printed elsewhere

[prisma briar]

What would even be UL listed on a printer? The power supply?

Everything else is low voltage DC

Unless you've got one of those death hotbeds that puts mains voltage to the bed, but you should replace it if you do

[gleaming crater]

I think normally anything on mains yeah

[forest edge]

? most all heating elements even for blankets are the same way

[prisma briar]

What I was getting at is the part that'd catch on fire on a 3D printer isn't normally a high voltage part that'd require a listing

[forest edge]

the nozzle is the part that catches on fire and while it's in use

thermal runaway

which is pretty much solved these days

[prisma briar]

The 3D printer ones like that are known for being quite low quality and having wires break/dead shorting to the chassis, they're about the cheapest ones you can get

Most printers have used DC hotbeds for years now

[gleaming crater]

I'm pretty sure most 3d printers wouldn't pass UL testing anyways

[prisma briar]

My Bambu claims CE compliance

But I don't see any actual testing markings on it

[gleaming crater]

I think enclosed printers would have a chance, open frame designs would fail in multiple ways I think

[prisma briar]

I might have a UL listed power supply on my ender 3

But it's also not the factory one

Can't tell, all the stickers on it are facing the frame and I'm not pulling it out and unmounting it to check

I have my printers on smart outlets, if my 3D printer smoke detector goes off it kills power to them.

[forest edge]

you don't really hear about 3d printer fires these days

[prisma briar]

They've had a decade to work those kinks out

[forest edge]

maybe in a print farm but that is likely due to someone not checking the machine before starting a print and leaving for the day lol

[prisma briar]

The early fires were due to stupid crap like poor quality counterfeit XJ-60 connectors or wires being tinned before being put into screw terminals or bad firmware that lacked any 'I'm putting power in but it's not getting hotter' logic

My Ender 3 had all those issues

[forest edge]

not mine

[prisma briar]

I have one of the early ones from 2018

They got that stuff sorted pretty quickly

Mine also had the low quality motor drivers that made it sound like a group of electric razors were constantly running

[forest edge]

lol

[forest edge]

@tidal bronzeyou should see if you can get your hands on one of these for like a weekend. https://hagerty-media-prod.imgix.net/2021/08/03_Countach-Driving_Preston-Rose-Hagerty-Drivers-Foundation.jpg?auto=format%2Ccompress&ixlib=php-3.3.0

i'll come out there if you can. I wouldn't mind making the trip to vegas in one of those

its a countach lp400

[tidal bronze]

Looks very uncomfortable

[forest edge]

oh it is lol

but that would still be worth the trip just to drive lol

[tidal bronze]

41 minutes and 2 glasses of Vs this. No thank you

[forest edge]

as I said a million times.. california is nothing like it use to be lol

[forest edge]

@tidal bronzedon't you want to get out of the car like this? dosen't it look exciting? haha https://youtube.com/shorts/5LxtF8quMek?si=nl04mNmUcj6YaoSI

[tidal bronze]

Exactly my point.... LMAO

[forest edge]

no fun at all

[primal laurel]

just remember when you watch this...

[gleaming crater]

Even the latest model sucks

[orchid rose]

You don't think that's naïve?

[gleaming crater]

LLMs don't actually see individual letters, they break words down into chunks that aren't strictly per-letter

[primal laurel]

Such intelligence

Much future

Wow

[orchid rose]

Sure, but that only means they struggle with exactly these types of scenarios. It's not a good showcase that they fail at basic logic

[gleaming crater]

They suck at auto-completing logical answers lol

[static schooner]

I think Google said that LLMs weren't so good if you care about "accuracy" 🙂

[prisma briar]

Trying to find things LLMs suck at ignores all the things they're good at there was no prior alternative for.

[forest edge]

is chatgpt really at the forfront of ai?

[orchid rose]

The question is if they can have "logic" at all or not. If they can, then I can't see why they wouldn't surpass us quite quickly

Most of what I've seen seems to suggest that LLM's do infact train some logic into their "reasoning". To understand the next token you need to understand the underlying problem

[forest edge]

https://youtu.be/osvAkEfXMp8?si=v2YgGpbOjGgaF2Gk

[orchid rose]

And every single paper or podcast that I've watched from the experts in the field seems to agree with that. Unless I come across Yann LeCun

[gleaming crater]

There are models that are passing 'theory of mind' tests requiring them to figure out the perspective of another participant

[static schooner]

It has the confidence and lack of awareness of a 5-year old 🙂

[prisma briar]

It's pretty clear they're doing actual logic at this point, it's just a race to refine the processes that the logic results from.

[clear ferry]

No need to bring my daughter into this

[orchid rose]

He could have meant you too

[gleaming crater]

But like semantic word logic

[orchid rose]

Can you expand on that?

[clear ferry]

I'm at least at a prepubescent level thank you, constantly horny and in opposition

[prisma briar]

tmi

[clear ferry]

Yw

[gleaming crater]

Semantic relationships between words allow it to reach a logical conclusion because of limited remaining choices

[orchid rose]

sounds about right

[orchid rose]

That's all you think these are capable off?

[gleaming crater]

Ars had a great article on the inner workings recently

[orchid rose]

Got a link handy?

[gleaming crater]

https://arstechnica.com/ai/2024/05/heres-whats-really-going-on-inside-an-llms-neural-network/

[orchid rose]

Thanks

[prisma briar]

Yea but that could also be all that human memory and recollection is

[gleaming crater]

We just have a bigger working memory than any LLM by far

[primal laurel]

It's more of like a showcase of what AI could do

There is much more fundamental work required to get natural AI

[prisma briar]

chatgpt is a showcase of what's achievable at consumer scale.

[orchid rose]

OpenAI is one of the best funded so it's probably right up there

[primal laurel]

chatgpt is a nice showcase of what happens if you just throw money at the problem

[forest edge]

it's only one mistake from self aware right lol

[orchid rose]

Is that a criticism? Because clearly for now money is what matters

[primal laurel]

Yes it is

I see zero future in the current AI path

to achieve true AI that is

[orchid rose]

What do you mean by true AI?

[prisma briar]

Current AI would be one of like hundreds of systems that'd interconnect to make AGI

[primal laurel]

anything that resembles the kind of intelligence we see in nature

I expect it would start small

think of a mouse

[prisma briar]

We have things like worms mapped out and 'emulated'

Nothing on the scale of a mouse though

[orchid rose]

Most intelligence in nature is exceedingly dumb though, isn't it? It's only just us and a few other species that can do any meaningful general intelligence

[prisma briar]

The concept of intelligence is too poorly defined

You can find people that'll argue if dogs can think or not

[primal laurel]

That's not how I view it

[orchid rose]

and we keep redefining it every time the AI overtakes it

[primal laurel]

But it's too much to explain here on discord, if you really want to study it I recommend looking up the lectures of Karl Friston

I 100% believe that is the way forward

[forest edge]

dolphins to rule the world

[primal laurel]

but it's exceptionally difficult, computationally and mathematically

[orchid rose]

First time I hear of Karl so I'll put him on my radar

[prisma briar]

It's too abstract to quantify, which, imo, makes it a marketing term and not a meaningful term.

[tidal bronze]

Mushrooms to the rescue

[tidal bronze]

Marketing, yep, progress!

[forest edge]

sounds tasty

[tidal bronze]

Gotta get some fuzzy logic in the mix

[prisma briar]

That's actually a good description of ChatGPT, marketing for VC funders

[orchid rose]

You don't think it will actually change anything?

[prisma briar]

I think in the end it'll be a small part of a very large system.

I think the interest it's generated in AI is going to do more to further AI than ChatGPT itself

[forest edge]

ai coming to take away your jobs!

wonder how many work from home people are scared lol

[prisma briar]

I'm not particularly scared of AI taking my job. I do foresee my job having more AI management in it though.

[orchid rose]

I'm absolutely fucked by AI, but it is what it is

[orchid rose]

I mean that's possible but neither the money or the experts seem to disagree. It's a strong position to take

[forest edge]

it's already replacing some jobs in real world

only going to get worse

[prisma briar]

Technology has been obsoleting and creating jobs since the dawn of humanity. There's been multiple massive shifts in technology in living memory. I think people will be fine.

[orchid rose]

I'm not saying it won't be fine, but it will be probably the biggest change since the Internet and we should prepare for it

[forest edge]

future generations will be harder workers than previous? that sounds like a stretch lol

[prisma briar]

I'm not sure how you got that from what I said. Every generation should optimally work less than the previous.

But that goes against capitalist ideals.

[forest edge]

currently there are job openings in every profession that requires someone to get off thier ass and those are not being filled because of means of making money while sitting on it

once ai takes those ass sitting jobs away..

either future generations will have to learn to work harder than previous or we be in trouble

[prisma briar]

There will be tons of skilled workers with free time and no tasks to create new ventures, things like taxes on AIs are likely, the world will correct for it.

[forest edge]

i like your positivity!

optimistic till the very end!

[prisma briar]

I'd argue that the issue around skilled workers is more of a cultural issue in the US than a financial issue, anyways. Too many people think every job needs to suck and try to make it happen for everyone they work with.

As in skilled tradesmen

And it's just easier to avoid working with crappy people in a structured office environment, there's more effective systems for removing those people.

[forest edge]

we gonna turn into the Kree from Marvels

with our ai overlord

just imagine how many jobs ai will quickly snatch up.. any data entry like IRS or any of that will be gobbled up

[prisma briar]

That shit was gone to computers ages ago

[forest edge]

whole lot of ass sitting jobs in the world

not like it will be

[primal laurel]

He's a neuroscientist who invented fMRI. And he is now working on natural AI

But more the foundation of it not the implementation

[prisma briar]

Data entry hasn't been a career choice in forever

[forest edge]

its still a human job for most places

hell we haven't even got our history backed up yet fully

[prisma briar]

Data entry for things like forms and documents at any scale has had automation available for a long time

[forest edge]

eh not the same as ai

tax people use it but again, it's still a human that is behind the wheel

tax site are mostly automated but again. there is still a human at play

[orchid rose]

Sounds very interesting and I will check it out. I generally just see a lot of people who are against it from what I feel like comes more from their values point of view

[prisma briar]

There's always a human at some point, when they're handling tens of thousands of peoples' documents a day is the human really at the wheel for each?

[forest edge]

once ai is capable of replacing the "job meeting" and phone calls to clients etc

I mean holy hell

most the jobs where someone sitting at a computer is only currently saved by the human interaction portions of it

call centers

[prisma briar]

I think that either greatly downplays the human contribution or greatly over-estimates what AIs are doing

[forest edge]

those are still humans

[prisma briar]

Are they?

[forest edge]

yes

they are

[prisma briar]

Shells of former humans at best

[forest edge]

not as many humans as it use to be but yes, still are humans lol

[prisma briar]

I started at my current place in the call center

Most of my job was linking people to help desk articles

[forest edge]

it's still a human doing a job.. even if you were bad at it lol jk

[prisma briar]

I was the team lead for the third shift call center crew for a while. That was a group of characters.

[forest edge]

even amazon still employyes tons of workers even tho most of the internal work is done by robots but most of those human ran jobs can already now be gobbled up by ai

all the way up to deliveries lol

have one human ceo in a sea of ai lol

[prisma briar]

People need to rise up and seize the means of production from the CEOs before that.

Capitalism just doesn't work in a world without demand for labor.

[orchid rose]

Not necessarily. Afaik it's a limiting factor right now though

[orchid rose]

You're going to have substantiate that somehow

[primal laurel]

Sorry against what?

[forest edge]

was always so comical about those articles and movies scene that insinuated that robot replaced jobs would fill human needed jobs with repairing the robots but they never showcased how the sheer amount of jobs replaced by robots only ever opening up a fraction of the amount of jobs for humans are repairmen lol

[orchid rose]

AI generally or more of the idea that they can overtake human intelligence. Like as if there's something special about us

[prisma briar]

His statement implied the majority of WFH jobs were in danger of being automated away, I think that that either downplays the human contribution or over-estimates what AIs are capable of, especially in regards to things like knowing what's really true or not or having consistent judgment.

[forest edge]

but the job itself doesn't need all of that extra complexation

[prisma briar]

What job? What complexity?

idk about other peoples' jobs but a small part of my job is human interaction

An AI could do all that and I'd still have more than enough work to have a job

[forest edge]

right but as i said before.. that part can be replaced by ai at some point

most likely will

[prisma briar]

idk, the human interaction for my job is basically limited to understanding the tasks assigned to me

[forest edge]

and you don't think an ai will be able to do that?

[prisma briar]

To go to my meetings for me?

[forest edge]

like i said above

[prisma briar]

Or to do my full job ?

[forest edge]

its only a matter of time but they are working on that lol

[prisma briar]

Meetings without the rest of my job is useless, the rest of my job is directed by the meetings, even if an AI took my meetings for me I'd basically have to have a meeting with the AI afterwards to get filled in.

[forest edge]

right now that human interaction is your jobs security but that won't always be the case

[prisma briar]

No it's not

I'm flattered you think my people skills are why I have a job

[forest edge]

communication between humans is not some barrier that cannot be breached

[prisma briar]

It's also not the barrier to an AI doing my job

[forest edge]

job meetings won't even exsist once those jobs are replaced

the only thing they need to figure out is how to get an ai to handle talking to humans and doing what is relayed to it

[orchid rose]

The question is in what jobs the AI will be less efficient than a human. Right now, I'm clearly more useful than ChatGPT, but it's been literally two years since we even learned about these existing. I'm completely fucked but I think as a society we can fix that

[forest edge]

well fast food places are replacing the person who takes the order with ai right now lol

what happend to that burger joint we saw a glimpse off a few years ago where the cook was ai with a robotic arm?

[orchid rose]

Anything customer related is fucked

[forest edge]

in the end landscapers and some tradeskills like plumbers will be all that's left lol

and a shit ton of ai repairmen lmao

[prisma briar]

I welcome AI removing shitty fast food jobs, then maybe society can quit pretending they're a valid career and the people who work them are meaningfully employed.

[forest edge]

robotic repairmen i mean..

[orchid rose]

The experts in the scene seem to think they are done in the next five years. It's absolutely wild

[prisma briar]

AI is going to screw over tradesmen, too. A bulk of a master tradesman's value comes from their ability to do schematics and drawings, when an AI can take a photo and shit out a schematic.

[forest edge]

the problem will be how the economy handles the transition. we're already suffering from one massive transition

we're gonna switch over, go broke and then everything shuts down

and back to sweeping the streets with brooms

[primal laurel]

Which someone is going to have to verify

[prisma briar]

I went to a Wendys a few months ago and got some guy in a call center at the call box

[orchid rose]

There's always a UBI but there's absolutely no way we'll agree on that by the time it's necessary. I don't think us two will

[forest edge]

no shit?

[prisma briar]

Is that a thing in other places? I don't go to fast food a lot but I've always talked to a person in the actual building I was at before.

[forest edge]

out west

I thought I posted a video about it in here a week or so ago

[prisma briar]

I haven't been active as much the last month or so, I probably missed it

[forest edge]

https://youtu.be/JJxBySZwBAI?si=uT9UQVbSj1wUkNTt

and check this

https://youtu.be/zyUekx9NZ18?si=C-n9HDxK-Zd2Osi8

[prisma briar]

I meant I was talking to some Indian guy in a call center on the other side of the world, not that I was talking to an AI

[forest edge]

I not heard of that

maybe that place was in the transition to ai?

I have no idea

[prisma briar]

Not sure, that was the only time I've been to Wendys in years.

[forest edge]

fast food is a great place for teenagers entering the work force to experince and learn how working is

replacing it all with ai will cost us in the end

you wait and see

[prisma briar]

"Here, child, learn how to be a slave. It's for your own good."

[forest edge]

that is not how that is

and if you view it as such.. your perception is so screwed lol

[orchid rose]

Wait, no... That's not how it works

[prisma briar]

Anyways, those jobs are increasingly going to people who are treating them as careers and not summer gigs before college.

[forest edge]

those jobs are going to ai because right now noone is filling those jobs

I seriously blame tiktok, youtube

too many people wanting to make bank by doing nothing or something stupid easy and don't want to even want to think about working a real job

[prisma briar]

fast food jobs aren't real jobs

They don't treat people like real people

[forest edge]

even I got to see the whole "professional gamer" thing come to light from that not even being a thing

[prisma briar]

professional gamer makes as much sense as professional football player

[forest edge]

all those kids who threw away their lives trying to make money in something that either never actually happened or blew out

[prisma briar]

You say that like they try being a youtuber for three years, fail, then that's it, their lives are over

[forest edge]

its not just 3 years.. i have a friend who knows someone who has been trying to do it for almost 15 and counting

he dosen't work, he just mooches off his parents etc

and yes.. going for years on end never actually having a job does impact your life

impacts your resume, impacts your credit and everything

[prisma briar]

credit is a joke, 'I tried following my passion and failed and now need a real job' isn't a resume killer

[forest edge]

the person who is task to hire someone is required to pick the dude who has worked for more time than the one who hasn't

[primal laurel]

I think we are incredibly special. The brain runs on so little power yet it is capable of such complex tasks. Natural AI will have to be as efficient if it is to ever thrive in the wild

[forest edge]

dude.. i mean person

[prisma briar]

There's a lot that goes into a hiring decision beyond workforce experience, and every industry has entry-level positions.

[forest edge]

if you think writing down "failed trying to follow my passions for x amount of years" counts.. you are mistaken

[prisma briar]

If you think people hiring for entry level positions care you are mistaken

[forest edge]

like fast food?

those jobs are gone

rotf

[prisma briar]

every industry has entry level positions

Or you go to school and get a degree and get a job like that

[orchid rose]

That kind of hubris will be our downfall. Sure we might be superior on efficiency right now but that doesn't seem to matter much

[forest edge]

yes we will always need someone to scrub toliets.. but ye who has failed to achieve thier passions really going to take such a job?

no

and they will continue to waste away

[primal laurel]

Not just superior. In another galaxy. The type of AI you see now is just throwing computation at the problem. The motto seems to be "if I have seen the world then I can reason about the world", but that's not at all what intelligent lifeforms in nature are doing. They learn by exploring, trial and error, they form expectations and adjust if they are in error

[forest edge]

in a galaxy far far away..

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/yummy-ewoks-star-wars-eating-gif-14696501

[orchid rose]

Surely you see if you get that wrong, you get it very wrong? There's a possibility that's it's not just about compute but literally every expert says that it is

[forest edge]

self aware, conscious ai will literally just be one mistake away lol

and then it's capabilities will grow exponentially

hopefully it dosen't have internet access when that happens

[orchid rose]

I'm not even sure that's the case, but people like Eliezer Yudkowsky make a great case

[primal laurel]

Get what wrong exactly?

I dont think it's about bigger models or more GPU's. That's going to stagnate (is already)

[orchid rose]

That if you underestimate the issue you end up being left behind, but if you overestimate the chance what the other side is capable off, you're completely fucked

[primal laurel]

Ah. The type of AI i am talking about is mostly academic still. Which is where the type of AI you now see in commercial deployment was about 30 years ago. All in due time

[orchid rose]

You don't think there's a realistic chance that these AIs will take over in the next two years then?

[forest edge]

two years? I doubt even that

10 years.. they will be all over

but still lesser roles

[primal laurel]

Take over what exactly? I think a lot of companies will go flat on their face when they figure out this type of AI fails in the real world in some spectacular ways

And that they need a nuclear power plant to power it

[forest edge]

in 10 years @prisma briar will actually start to be afraid of losing his job lol

[primal laurel]

Nah. But learn to use it as a tool. Because that's what it is at this stage

[prisma briar]

Still won't be afraid then

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/channel5-ktla-ktla5news-5live-robot-apocalypse-gif-17890335

[forest edge]

its better for you to see the future coming rather than be blind sided by it

[prisma briar]

FUD.

[orchid rose]

But that's too easy. Let's call out those who will fuck it up and why

[forest edge]

my friend in jersey is WFH for an online gambling company. he use to do the geofencing stuff but now he's doing something with coding or something and he's even starting to get a little twitchy with how ai might just up and replace him out of the blue

[primal laurel]

The companies claiming they can replace developers

All going bankrupt

[orchid rose]

That's a pretty hot take and they might be right

[primal laurel]

No chance

Like I said, it's a tool, use it

[forest edge]

if I was younger I would want to be more optimistic about it for my own sake but I'm not. short of the thing nuking us i am kind of curious to see just how bad it can get lol

[primal laurel]

Bring on the Anarchy, natural selection at its best

[orchid rose]

If you were younger you'd be just like me. Obviously praising the tech

[primal laurel]

I am young, I am studying this stuff at uni, and I think we should be more realistic about what this type of AI can really do for us

[orchid rose]

Fascinating

[tidal bronze]

@forest edge I can deal with strawberries with one R 😋

[forest edge]

why you posting the stock of a company that does most it's work in taiwan?

[tidal bronze]

Most?

[forest edge]

well they were planing to expand to china. not sure if they had already or not

[tidal bronze]

Believe in the market!

Big thank you to tok and insta🤣

[forest edge]

I am sure those countries are proud

[forest edge]

just putting this out there.

While US companies pay federal corporate income taxes levied at 21% or (8.84% in California where Nvidia is based), tax breaks expanded by the 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act as well as the CARES Act enacted in 2020 meant 55 big corporations in the US paid nothing in corporate taxes that year. Instead of paying a collective total of $8.5 billion, they received $3.5 billion in tax rebates, amounting to $12 billion in corporate tax breaks. Nvidia is a beneficiary of these two laws.

wouldn't want ya thinking anything that isn't true lol

[tidal bronze]

Blame Danny's

[forest edge]

ironically it plays a big role why you citizens pay out the ass in taxes lmao

[tidal bronze]

All for love

[forest edge]

ok you modern hippie

[static schooner]

That's it, I'm paying my taxes in $LOVE

[forest edge]

make sure you post the video of you attempting that

[tidal bronze]

Why attempt? Love comes naturally

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/scooby-doo-scooby-ruh-roh-scooby-doo-meme-mystery-machine-gif-22310722

[tidal bronze]

That moment when sawzall pvc blade breaks.

Weird the tool didn't come with a BAC threshold 🤣

[forest edge]

how do you break a blade?

you shouldn't even be using a sawzall. they make pvc cutters that go up to 3" lol

[tidal bronze]

Couldn't locate my ratcheting cutter

Welp, it's been few hours since I find it hard to locate myself

Tomorrow it is then.

[forest edge]

why put off till tomorrow what you can completely mess up and destroy today?

[winged obsidian]

Don’t we have an AI for that yet?

[forest edge]

https://sfwconstruction.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/AI-Home-Repairs.jpg

[tidal bronze]

Couldn't miss the omakase reservation made 2 months ago 😆

[forest edge]

wtf is that? sounds like one of those "happy ending" you might request after am massage

and you reserved that for two months?

[tidal bronze]

Good places are usually 2 to 6 months out.

[forest edge]

"happy endings" are just that good huh?

[tidal bronze]

I see why you are confused. You guys don't have that kinda eateries where you live 🤣

[forest edge]

I am sure that we do just not something listed lol

we have those ritz country club places

[tidal bronze]

Not on tock

[glacial knot]

20-75$ is $$$ how far does that scale go? 😂 $$$$$$?

[forest edge]

like i said, likely something not listed lol

[tidal bronze]

That's $$ . Wait listed are usually 325 to 750 a person.

[glacial knot]

your screenshot has 3 $ signs for it^^

[tidal bronze]

Depends on location

[glacial knot]

I thought it was just for bay area that food is stupid expensive
Now if it had been good 😂

[tidal bronze]

SF got some great places if you can get a reservation

[glacial knot]

I'm gonna be there again in September

probably spend a couple days in SF, unless I'm busy and stay in MTV

[forest edge]

all that money and I bet anything this is what he recieves https://youtu.be/AM7k8wFdM_Y?si=gzhgsUPqATNJTjpN

[tidal bronze]

Aphotic, Nari and if you can make the drive French Laundry

[glacial knot]

Nari looks good 👍

[tidal bronze]

French Laundy would be the best 3* experience this side of the country.

[static schooner]

Plus, you can expense it as 'laundry'

[forest edge]

is the 3 star where the waiter walks like a penguin while wearing a penguin suit or is that 4 star?

[tidal bronze]

Best one ever. 🤣🤣

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/milvapy-milva-pinguino-funny-walk-gif-14491827

[tidal bronze]

Some. But most 3 stars would have a dedicated person per guest. 2 and 3 star difference is mainly service.

[forest edge]

do they hold the fork and feed you?

[ocean oar]

5 stars they hold the fork
6 stars they chew and baby bird the food to you

You don't even want to know what happens at 7 stars

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/donald-duck-push-gif-4931907

[glacial knot]

Intubation. Matches the price ladder

[ocean oar]

So basically human fois gras?

[last cedar]

Is this why the scram at chernobyl went wrong?

It does actually look a lot like a control rod

[crisp oriole]

good day idlers

[solar zealot]

[primal laurel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mkn3PzdaByY

[ocean oar]

1:√2 babeh 😎

[iron granite]

Déjà-vu
#the-water-cooler message

[young sigil]

I guessed 99%.

[crisp oriole]

can i take my roaming raspberry pi with me?

[primal laurel]

are you asking our permission?

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/jump-off-a-cliff-gif-26802436

[crisp oriole]

Dont know perhaps he is a usbc only man. want to be sure.

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-kevin-the-office-kevin-malone-ashton-kutcher-gif-18188569

[glacial knot]

modern raspi has USB-C though

[crisp oriole]

not the pi zero..

https://geekdom.social/@setaggi/112524443856855656
done with my laundery.

[forest edge]

I guarantee there are people in the world who would believe that quote being true from that source

[static schooner]

Well, we was both a wise man and a well known time traveler

[solar zealot]

This a good deal?

[last cedar]

Not if you go with @clear ferry

[crisp oriole]

Because its not ESP HOME ISNT IT!!!

[last cedar]

Anything under 2TB RAM is junk for him

[glacial knot]

between a couple megabytes for MCUs and a couple TB

[crisp oriole]

esphome with 2TB?? that would be memory leak save

[glacial knot]

that's not how memory leaks work 🤣

unless you have a scheduled reboot

[forest edge]

and with 128 dimm's using 16gb sticks

[crisp oriole]

But with a 2TB mem and a memory leak of 1 mb a minute still gives you 4 years before a crash.

[glacial knot]

1992 called

[crisp oriole]

pots or isdn?

[primal laurel]

Then you download more RAM. Not so hard

[last cedar]

4096 dimms, 512MB, DDR

[forest edge]

https://www.pcsteps.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/ram-myths-5.png

[crisp oriole]

you can only download swap. and that is very slow.

[primal laurel]

I download more RAM all the time. I'm on 24E9 RAM now.

[iron granite]

https://downloadmoreram.com/index.html

[forest edge]

my kind of town https://youtube.com/shorts/4oBXyDa4mKc?si=Wz-XFwPXsGcmckAq

[reef stream]

does anyone know why if i connect my external hard drive to my phone nothing shows up on my phone, but the light of the external drive blinks, and if i connect it to my laptop i can see the files and everything?

[solar zealot]

it may not power up properly, be an unsupported file system or the os doesnt know what to do of that drive

[forest edge]

likely not supplying enough power to the drive. is enough to make the led light up but not for the drive to initialize

@tidal bronzei'm just now getting around to updating my dewalt tools from the old 12v/18v to this new 20v/60v and the kit I bought that has the drill and impact in it came with a $100 gift card for this site https://us.nakedwines.com/

can you believe this horseshit?

[clear ferry]

[solar zealot]

I love that it lets you select other just to then deny you access

[solar zealot]

I have no idea why my wifi does that, but that doesn't seem good does it

[primal laurel]

That happens, it's RF. If you don't notice anything in latency or speed I wouldn't worry about it

[solar zealot]

it never really works properly

probably too many shelly on the network

[primal laurel]

I think more like too many tuya

[glacial knot]

transitivity = broken

[primal laurel]

https://docs.julialang.org/en/v1/base/base/#Base.isequal

[tidal bronze]

Forget the tools, get that wine.

[tidal bronze]

What APs

[solar zealot]

the cheapest decos

doing normal stuff works just fine but anything that relies on udp is yoinky

[tidal bronze]

I am not sure what decos are. RSSI swing looks wonky as well.

[real frigate]

decos = TP-Link mesh

[tidal bronze]

Oh ok.

[real frigate]

Supposedly not bad little devices, but TP-Link keeps putting out crap firmware updates that seem to toast them from time to time.

[tidal bronze]

Never tried them so got no clue.

[real frigate]

Me either. I had a chat with someone recently that had them and finally ditched them for Eeros. I'm not sure that's a step up, but whatever works I guess?

[tidal bronze]

Hopefully that chart is from a mobile device 😆

Yes sir! Whatever that works.

[real frigate]

Which reminds me... I need to upgrade 2 out of my 3 APs soon lol

[tidal bronze]

I've been thinking of going 6 as well then again 90% of the devices are 2.4

[real frigate]

Yeah, same... But I was thinking about going with the 7 just so I don't have to upgrade them for at least a few years. My UAP-AC-Pro is starting to show it's age finally.

[tidal bronze]

I run unifi, 6 APs average 145 wifi devices. Not perfect by any means. But shit works.

[real frigate]

lol same, but only 3 APs and 105 wifi devices. Def not perfect, but I can't really complain (except for a weird DHCP issue I have with the AC-Pro).

[solar zealot]

that and an app only setup

[tidal bronze]

My issue is outdoor esps, very rarely they would have 0 tx/rx. Then again I need to add 2 more APs to the backyard. So can't blame unifi. I ran the direct burial cat6 sometime ago. Didn't get the chance to install the APs

[solar zealot]

but they were cheap with less than 30 bucks a node

sadly im out of money to upgrade to some netgear stuff

[tidal bronze]

Netgear?

[solar zealot]

yea they have better™️ mesh systems from what i heard

sadly also the subscription shit but at least no cloud+app only setup

[tidal bronze]

Why mesh? No ETH runs?

[solar zealot]

not enough

[tidal bronze]

Why would you want to drown the backhaul channel, might as well use it for devices.

[solar zealot]

two of those nodes are in places where there is an eth backhaul available, but the third doesnt

also i cant really use more generics aps as they kinda suck look wise

dont really enjoy dish sized spaceships on my walls

[tidal bronze]

I have IW and Ceiling. I do prefer IW

[solar zealot]

the skill points have been put on concrete walls and not on network infrastructure xD

[tidal bronze]

Concrete, wowza

23 years been doing this home automation RF crap, I would still rate 1. zw 2. Wifi 3. Zigbee
Zw yet to disappoint me 😀

[solar zealot]

what you dont have fiber connected iot devices??

[tidal bronze]

Never had the need. I do have end points all over but in love with zw

[solar zealot]

thats what someone who spent too much money on wine would say

[tidal bronze]

Come to think of it most my triggers are wifi, action zw and sub second response. Can't turn a light on faster than that. 😆

[real frigate]

I had a BAD experience with zw years ago and went full in on zigbee devices. Plus, the price differences (at the time) made a lot of my decisions for me. Then I started moving more and more to WiFi. I think I have 9 zw devices compared to 102 zb and 105 wifi now.

[tidal bronze]

It's different for everyone. I have gone through about 5 to 600 zw devices. I leave them as regular switches when I rent the place. Out of all those I think 2 or 3 devices failed. This house I think 140 some zw, 130 wifi and about 60 zigbee

I basically switch out everything thing to zw, even outlets before moving in.

[forest edge]

wifi iot devices are super reliable but they congest your shit like none other lol

[real frigate]

Not when you have an enterprise-class network 😉

[forest edge]

don't make me call in the expert @atx...

[real frigate]

lmfao! I KNEW YOU WERE GOING TO GO THERE!

[tidal bronze]

The 1883 fiber dude?

In Norway the flush handle is connected to valve via fiber.

[forest edge]

he is never in here when he gets brought up anymore lol

[tidal bronze]

Perhaps since they are now smaller than Nvidia?

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/bathroom-fred-armisen-home-office-microhouse-gif-19057314

[tidal bronze]

Come on now, show some respect. Where's the fiber?

@forest edge so got my plumbing project done. By the time I remembered to get the blade from HD was too late to drive. Lol. Dremel saw blade to the rescue.

[low harness]

"Register for Fusion 360 for personal use". And then it asks for "work phone"...

[forest edge]

lmao.. when all else fails.. a hot butter knife is your lowest point right?

I didn't know fusion had a free side

[tidal bronze]

It wad free for years

[forest edge]

oh I must have glossed over that the last time I looked

[tidal bronze]

Used it daily, welp, back in the day.

[forest edge]

speaking of which.. do I need to resnd my address?

[real frigate]

Yup, fusion was great as a free product... then they got greedy.

[tidal bronze]

Sadly yes.

[tidal bronze]

No ju ju bees for you.

[forest edge]

curious how the bambu suite is compared to the other stuff these days

[low harness]

They don't make it straight forward to find.

[tidal bronze]

Here's a question, do you guys think esp devices will run for 10+ years?

Flawlessly like zw?

[forest edge]

I think it's Russian roulette based on some esp devices in some products I have had that's failed within 5 years

[real frigate]

Eh, I have some ESP devices that are going on like 6 years now with no f/w updates or anything... they keep on chugging, but I think it really depends on the board itself.

But mostly it's all my esp-8266 boards. Those things are like little tanks.

[tidal bronze]

Mine too. I think the oldest I have is buried somewhere near the pool. Been running 5+ years. I am afraid to even dig up that stuff. Lol.

[real frigate]

And I have some old Sonoff first gen in-line switches that I flashed to esphome years ago that are still going as well.

And those things... lol they spend 11 months of the year either baking in the attic (or freezing some years) and they just keep on going. Same!!! I don't want to ever touch them until they die.

[tidal bronze]

Yep 1st gen sonoff still going strong

[real frigate]

I've actually been thinking about seeing if I can still find the 1st gens... maybe ebay? 🤔

[tidal bronze]

All my subs were running on 1st gen sonoff. Now they are on web power switches

[real frigate]

web power switches?

[tidal bronze]

https://www.digital-loggers.com/lpc.html

Love these

[real frigate]

huh... you're giving me ideas...

[tidal bronze]

Built in MQTT.

Almost all my devices are connected to one of those. With or without HA power cycle is a breeze. Since I travel a lot I need a backup plan for everything 😀

[static schooner]

I assume you also have the kill switch/blow up the house/destroy all the evidence fallback in case you're discovered...

[tidal bronze]

I wish. What about the gun safe?

[static schooner]

Gotta do the Better Call Saul strategy of buying the house next door and digging a tunnel

Doubles as a wine cellar

That's the front

[tidal bronze]

Are you stating these from experience? Lol

[static schooner]

I imagine that I'm secretly a super spy...Or am I?

[forest edge]

what in tarnation

[tidal bronze]

Easy tiger.

[forest edge]

the thing is almost 200 bucks

why would you need something like that?

hell the outlets aren't even oriented right for maxmium wall wart capacity lol

[tidal bronze]

They were never made for barns. Keep calm

[forest edge]

those things weren't made for anything

can't even picture a commercial application lol

it does looks weird. i will give you that. guest be like, "wtf is that?" you be like.. "Oh wait till you see my new toy!"

I can kind of see the rack mounted variation

[static schooner]

We have more industrial versions of those for bouncing devices in a lab

Typically called PDUs

[forest edge]

I use single outlet smart plugs for various things but can't imagine what to use a strip for

[forest edge]

come on down. i think you'll like the entertainment lol https://youtube.com/shorts/F1Bfqpm-X9U?si=vlLcjaawpGYH6IGd

[solar zealot]

they cant park there

[ocean oar]

I have one of the 3-outlet TP Link Kasa power strips that controls my dumb outdoor lights.
One set of festoon lights, one string of fairy lights, and an IR floodlight.

Easier than having multiple single-outlet plugs, since all those things are plugged in at a single location

[forest edge]

your using an indoor power strip outside?

I get the outside lighting stuff. I use a KP400 for xmas lights

[tidal bronze]

Rollin with Sienna eh?

Where's that 680hp Astro?

[ocean oar]

No, it's under the house in the crawl space

All low-voltage lights, and none of their transformers are outdoor-rated either

Probably could have gone with mains voltage lights for the most recent install, but didn't see any real reason to

[forest edge]

Thursday nights right after baby buggy bumper cars

[tidal bronze]

I can roll with that

Here I thought I can go for a 24hr fast and wife wants adana kebab 🤔

[forest solstice]

Soon:

[tidal bronze]

Story of my life.

[forest edge]

can confirm. prices in california are just shy of alaskan prices

[iron granite]

You can buy Alaska for 347.58$?

https://tenor.com/view/galaxy-quest-alan-rickman-grabthars-hammer-grabthar-what-a-savings-gif-13771188

[last cedar]

No, only blueberries

[trim stump]

Looking for suggestions for a non cloud thermo stat.
I love eco bee but I hate how HASS only operates via cloud.
I hate that I can only get motion on HK.
Been looking at honey well systems so I can use dampeners in my ducks for zoning purposes. But when I look on integrations I see that honey well has a cloud symbol just like ecobee.
Goal is to localize thermostat control.
Any help is greatly appreciated!

[iron granite]

#hardware-archived might be able to help

[solar zealot]

dumb thermostats are the future

[last cedar]

I don't even have a sensor on the inside of our house 🤣

Well, we have an external sensor and then TRVs

To be specific

[solar zealot]

It's one of the smart things I don't get why it exists. You set it to a comfortable temperature like -once- and then it automatically turns the heat on or off as there be demand

[last cedar]

But then they can sell you new rgb trvs, with and app!

[real frigate]

tbf, the one thing I use smart thermostats for is to turn on/off when a door or window is left open. I keep the temp pretty much static all the time, but if it's nice out and I open the windows, I want the heat/ac to turn off.

[last cedar]

Everyone loves rgb and extra apps

And cloud services

I agree 100% btw, some things don't need to be smart, it just needs to work

The outdoor sensor just sets the water temp, roughly, idea is that you didn't always have trvs, but our house gets too warm otherwise

[real frigate]

lol @ rgb trvs... like, why?!

[last cedar]

I have yet to insulate the loft properly, but I run it as an underfloor heating curve, otherwise all the trvs just all close 🤣

[solar zealot]

That sounds like it could be a valid use case for an AC if you forget to close the windows for hours