the-water-cooler

[forest edge]

in the case of zigbee or any wireless contact sensor it don't matter but normally the magnet goes on the door and the sensor on the frame

[clear ferry]

I'll take a picture @late gate

[forest edge]

is that a pocket door?

[clear ferry]

I have no idea what that is

[forest edge]

slides in instead of swings

[clear ferry]

It's a regular idle indoor door

No it swings

[forest edge]

all that wood looks alike.. makes it hard to seperate it out

oh weird.. in that first picture it looks like the door is only a few inches wide and dosen't cover the whole doorway lol

ah i see now

pocket door so you know what they are. https://images.adsttc.com/media/images/6520/52dd/96de/ff4c/aed5/adad/original/pt-maximizing-space-and-style-through-sliding-pocket-doors_25.gif?1696617193

[clear ferry]

I haven't seen one of those in at least 20 years, in my grandmothers house from the 60s

[forest edge]

they have thier uses

[forest edge]

@tidal bronze https://youtube.com/shorts/_LrOXICINOE?si=rjXCIAgGP3uefmEv

[last cedar]

Atx could fit the door in his huge pocket

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/that-thing-is-so-big-nufo-that-thing-is-massive-that-thing-is-huge-ginormous-gif-25538935

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-what-she-said-what-she-said-dirty-joke-joke-laugh-gif-15661968

[forest edge]

how would YOU know? Hmm?

[last cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/pom-poko-studio-ghibli-raccoons-pouch-magic-gif-25979208

[balmy bough]

those tails... or ball sacks? 🤣

[forest edge]

tumors

[balmy bough]

lol

[solar zealot]

Odd raccoons

[static schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/south-park-gif-22353415

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/cut-it-jake-watson-corridor-crew-using-pruning-shears-cutting-with-big-scissors-gif-26206959

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/kwaken-welease-the-kwaken-rumboman-gif-19300942

[primal laurel]

@last cedar https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/1cn0y84/aios_with_screens_are_so_unnecessary/

[last cedar]

That raccoon is vibbin

[neon hawk]

this is the only use for these screens i can understand

a hamster on a wheel would be funny also

as the CPU % ramps up the hamster runs faster

[glacial knot]

Just slap one of those fan LED projector screens on there

[clear ferry]

Did someone say tanuki

[forest edge]

get your ears checked old man

[winged obsidian]

Mine are mixed. Usually magnet on the door and sensor stationary, but I swapped that on a couple because it was cleaner to mount that way.

[tidal bronze]

Storms huh?

[forest edge]

didn't that sound like fun?

just don't slam my door...

[real frigate]

We got slammed by those storms... My yard is a mess and the drive home from work SUCKED.

[lone dagger]

I coordinated a lunch with other parents of children receiving special education services at the school and the principal that happened today, we had a special speaker come talk about reducing stress and self care. It went great. 😌

[solar zealot]

reducing stress
i need those details

[lone dagger]

Well. First. Reducing stress IS self care, so make sure you use them interchangeably.

3 easy things you can do, as long as you are intentional with your goal

• Regular exercising - walking 10 minutes a day is sufficient for this.
• Mindfulness or guided meditation - 10 minutes of this a day will significantly help reduce stress, and guided meditation helps you focus.
• Do what brings you 🌈 J O Y 🌈 - I go touch grass to bring me joy, something about being one with the earth that grounds you.

[deft pewter]

And you can merge them. I run daily... that's my exercise, my joy, and my mindfulness, in a single activity 🎉

[lone dagger]

Garden work is my exercise! Joy and a good full body workout.

There’s a lot more you can do, but these 3 are often the easiest ones to start. The hard part is creating the habit of making that time for yourself.

[tidal bronze]

Mine too.

[forest edge]

do sand gardens count?

[tidal bronze]

Sand works

[solar zealot]

silly americans... stone is not a fruit

[tidal bronze]

Ever had a plouts?

[solar zealot]

yes

[primal laurel]

by area we beat you by a mile https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/interactive/2022/netherlands-agriculture-technology/

[solar zealot]

i feel bad about making all those horrible jokes
but thats not a mile in difference

[primal laurel]

I used freedom units to make it more understandable

[tidal bronze]

Wonder if they are using WLED🤔

[primal laurel]

there are days where I wake up in the winter and the sky looks like this

only happens when its cloudy though

[scenic radish]

I think my favorite stress reliever is a good bike ride. This one was pretty fun

[scenic radish]

Just realized that doesn't show the mile markers lol. 4 mi / 6.4 km one way

[rich wagon]

Got a question for any fellow developers, completely unrelated to HA. I manage several apps that share a codebase and I try to keep the version numbers consistent, so a major change that would affect all other targets would update a major number. Currently they're on 1.6.x. But I'm migrating a legacy app into this codebase and its version number is 2.0.6, so I would have to update all the others to 2.1.x even though they didn't go through a significant update.

My question is, do I continue with this scheme or just change to the more modern 2024.x.x style?

[lone dagger]

[ocean oar]

Ugh. Once, just once, I'd like to do my 3-yearly forklift certification on a day that isn't freezing cold, in a location that isn't a drafty warehouse

I think there was hail at one point

[hollow glacier]

I call your touching grass and raise you two cats 🐈 🐈‍⬛

[real frigate]

That cat is huge!!! lol

[hollow glacier]

that is lucky

he's 100% goof

[real frigate]

lol he’s(?) cute. Huge cat. Are you feeding him steroids or something?

hahaha that’s awesome.

[hollow glacier]

nah he's just a big cat.. not fat just like generally longer and a bit bigger than other cats

my mom found him outside a grandy's and the employees were feeding him sausage and stuff

and he had a messed up eye.. so we called him lucky cuz he was lucky he found us

i had to give him drops every 3 hours and the vet said he might lose his eye but nope he's 100% normal just a goofball

[real frigate]

lol a well earned name. I have a dog that I named Potato (her real name is Gypsy). She looks like a potato. Tiny little head, big body.

[hollow glacier]

https://tenor.com/1io1.gif

[hollow glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/potato-emmy-emmy28potato-gif-24833658

[real frigate]

My other dog was like that when she was a puppy. Got her at 1 year old and she got the dog flu. She lost 7 pounds and almost died. Vet said to just put her down, but she survived it.

[hollow glacier]

Ya you gotta try

[real frigate]

Yup. She is such a pain in the ass now though. lol

It’s like “I know I cheated death, so now I’m going to be an entitled jerk” lol

[hollow glacier]

i have an old cat that hates one of my younger cats and i swear she will outlive everyone else just out of spite

and she's otherwise a super sweet cat lol

they're just wild

[real frigate]

Hahaha yup. That EXACTLY. My Jack Russel is going to outlive me for sure.

[ocean oar]

This is my oversized derp:

[lone dagger]

I have 3 animals in this house. Jack, our one brain cell orange tabby; Monsieur, a literal alley cat my sister caught; Pearl, our German Shepard with severe anxiety.

[scenic radish]

Turns out our cat is actually a chicken

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/duck-video-gif-25342365

[red rock]

https://twittpr.com/Nikotesla23/status/1788095890122576241

[iron granite]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzwMjOl8Iyo

[forest edge]

https://youtube.com/shorts/mZQG-rsl0ps?si=eY0wdx1dHqwD2exz

[neon hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/rimshot-pun-joke-ba-dum-tss-drum-gif-15808941

[lone dagger]

That's my son - he rickrolled my parents with that video and I lost it. 🤣

[neon hawk]

haah cool

[arctic iris]

i need some help

i need to create a video demonstrating the tech behind a smart dustbin which segregates waste automatically using image recognition

can anybody help?

[primal laurel]

what exactly do you need help with?

[arctic iris]

creating a video of a dustbin

showing all the tech behind it

[fathom sparrow]

Are you in the right server?

This server is Home Assistant, the software

[lone dagger]

Wait. You mean I can't hire assistants here?

I thought that came with running this show?

[fathom sparrow]

I mean, if you pay enough, I'll be your assistant

[primal laurel]

you're the overlord, you don't hire people, you command them to do your bidding

[iron granite]

I'm intrigued by making a video of my dustbin 🤔

[real frigate]

Yeah, what's the payrate? I'll do assistant-like things if the pay is right.

[lone dagger]

Oh, excellent.

https://tenor.com/view/bad-evil-laugh-smile-raccoon-gif-15261232

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/padawan-dwight-the-office-us-office-dwight-schrute-gif-20128843

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/old-lady-cookies-never-get-my-recipe-gif-14008049

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/aunty-donna-billybumscud-stefanpaberzs-trash-gif-19515126

[glacial knot]

you all scared them off 😦

https://tenor.com/bp1Qn.gif

[static schooner]

Raccoon doesn't want to be sorted

Tails, heads, paws

Filament parts

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/foreign-stance-racoon-racoon-blanket-racoon-blanket-cute-racoon-blanket-hide-gif-22051812

[deft pewter]

You know, breakdowns of how things work can be fascinating if done right. Like this: https://ciechanow.ski/mechanical-watch/

Bartosz is frigging amazing with his articles. The effort he puts into the animations (which are often interactive) is so impressive.

[primal laurel]

cool

[forest edge]

yea wonder how long that took to put together

it has gravity physics

[deft pewter]

Yeah, the simulations are amazing. He has a few others too. The one about 'how bicycles work' sounds like it'd be really basic... it's not 😄

https://ciechanow.ski/bicycle/

After reading that, I learned that to turn left on a bicycle, first you must turn right... and that you don't even realise you're doing it.

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/cars-lightning-mc-queen-doc-hudson-cars-turn-right-to-go-left-gif-21048724

[forest edge]

just had a automated litter box company compare their product to the boxer engine and the bmw b58 in response to a comment i made. not sure if I should reply with how that was a poor choice or just leave it alone lol

[real frigate]

I have so many questions... automated litter box company???

[forest edge]

yea was a newer company posting their ad on youtube but it was a rake style litter box

so I shared some insight

[real frigate]

lmao I can't even imagine how that comparison happened in the first place.

[lone dagger]

There's an integration for one of them in HA.

[forest edge]

it was a response to this

it's 2024, if you are still willing to purchase a rake style litter box with lots of complex movable parts you deserve all the headaches coming your way.

[real frigate]

https://tenor.com/bnqqb.gif

[real frigate]

lmao and they came back with an engine comparison?!

[forest edge]

yea and a really bad one at that

both of those engines have costly issues

Hi mate, if you purchase our product, feel free to reach out to us with any questions or concerns you may have. No product is perfect, just like Subaru's horizontally opposed four-cylinder engines or BMW's B58 engine. They're not perfect, but they're beautiful in their own right. What do you think?

think i'm gonna leave it alone

[real frigate]

Well, at least they didn't mention the Mini/BMW N14 engine... credit where credit's due. lol

[neon hawk]

Theres been a few cat litter projects made in ESPHome

also auto feeders

[lone dagger]

Lots of good reasons! You can see when it's full and needs to be emptied, how often it cleans can help you track your cat's patterns and help identify if they have any urinary problems, and some people just want everything in one thing to control.

It's a $600 litter box, though...

[forest edge]

? $900

if you are refering to the litter robot

[real frigate]

I haz no cats... even if my dogs are the same size as cats.

[forest edge]

horrible creatures i suggest you stay clear

[neon hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/emy-départ-gif-18075952005016085494

[real frigate]

When I was growing up, my mom was a "cat lady"... after growing up with that, I swore I would never have another cat ever.

[forest edge]

odd.. usually when you grow up with cats you yourself become one cat person

[lone dagger]

I am, and I found it on sale, I think. I was looking at one a month or so ago, lmao. 😅

[real frigate]

When you have 30-50 cats around you 24x7, you learn to NOT choose that path for yourself. 😉

[forest edge]

uh lol

sounds like a rescue hobby

[lone dagger]

omg so my grandma bred cats - my mom would only ever let us have 1 cat in the house at any time.

[real frigate]

My mom fancied herself a "breeder" and so we ALWAYS had a shit ton load of cats EVERYWHERE.

[static schooner]

<imagines some Highlander -style sword fight if another cat enters>

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-funny-balloon-there-can-be-only-one-scrungly-gif-26554474

[forest edge]

watching mechanical repair videos made in india make you both cringe and be a little impressed at the same time

[lone dagger]

Went to eat left over pizza, only to discover my family left a single slice in the box.

[real frigate]

Well, with your allergies, at least it didn't have like 1 tiny piece of pineapple on it as well. lol

[glacial knot]

I remember when we did that with sweets, so we didn't have to remove the packaging D:

[lone dagger]

I am grateful that my family works hard to make sure I don't die.

[real frigate]

It's almost like they like having you around... sooooo weird! lol

[iron granite]

What is left over pizza?

[real frigate]

Probably an American thing

[primal laurel]

When you finished the hamburgers, and now you have only the pizza left

[lone dagger]

It's what happens when you let your stomach shrink so much that you can't eat like a regular American.

[sudden forge]

They should be fired

[lone dagger]

I like the cut of your jib.

[glacial knot]

Urban dictionary has a couple interesting definitions for jib D:

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/starwars-movealong-stormtrooper-gif-5509326

[lone dagger]

Oh man this phrase is like super old, rofl. .....honestly probably 100 years old.

old person

[real frigate]

Because I'm a geek like that... The phrase actually originated in the 1800s. 😉

[forest edge]

one of the parents picked up their kids in a cyber truck. first time seeing one in person.. that thing is way too small to be called a truck lol

[lone dagger]

Hey, at least I didn't assume it was from the 50s or something. 🤣

[forest edge]

should have called it cyber el camino

[real frigate]

lol fair... although, they did have some interesting sayings in the 50s too.

[lone dagger]

They really did.

Sometimes we watch classic Looney Tunes and they say some weird things in there that just go over our heads. Not super often, but it does happen.

[real frigate]

Little did we know just how socially incorrect all those old cartoons were... we turned out fine though, right? RIGHT?!

[neon hawk]

its a sailing term right?

[real frigate]

Yeah

[neon hawk]

jib is a sail

[real frigate]

It originally referred to the nationality of the ship by the way the jib sail was cut.

[neon hawk]

sounds right to me

[static schooner]

TIL

Jib Couture

[ocean oar]

All I'm hearing is the alternative interpretation that someone once floated to me, which is "I'm pleased to see you aren't French"

[solar zealot]

weird raccoon

[real frigate]

💸 Most expensive load of laundry ever?

[forest edge]

power consumption looks about right for some parts of the world

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-death-star-laser-gif-9916316

the laundry is... washed

[neon hawk]

yeah power can be expensive in third world countries like USA 😉

[static schooner]

we might as well just burn our dirty clothes rather than wash them 🙂

[neon hawk]

with LASERS!

[static schooner]

is there any other way?

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-the-laser-austin-powers-laser-surprised-shocked-gif-17302164

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/exploding-star-trek-picard-boom-exploding-planet-paramount-plus-gif-21804217

[tidal bronze]

@forest edge your favorite, Uni!

[forest edge]

what animal's intestine is that?

[tidal bronze]

Sea urchin 🤣

[forest edge]

figures you would eat something that atx would probably eat

[static schooner]

Uni is the one type of sushi that I just can't do

[tidal bronze]

Some blue fin for ya 😆

3rd place, out of Toro. 😕

[forest edge]

is this what they call a vomit hop? like a bar hop but instead you go till you blow chunks then move on to the next location?

[tidal bronze]

Yes sir. 3 down 1 more to go.

In search of Toro

[forest edge]

cali's are weirdos

[hollow glacier]

looks good

[forest edge]

@tidal bronzehttps://i.pinimg.com/736x/41/f3/d6/41f3d60be3e536d4a324c02a83b8186b.jpg

[tidal bronze]

Is that from Ryanair?

[forest edge]

some airline barf bag i think

[iron granite]

My guess would be Eurowings

[tidal bronze]

As in drive to restaurants, loose a sake battle with wife, leave the car and uber home, weird? Yep.

[forest edge]

yea sounds like something that could just be done at home with less risk of having your wallet taken lol

[forest edge]

not so sure about that

[tidal bronze]

Wallet? Is that still a thing?

[forest edge]

not everyone wants to have some google pay or whatever chip implanted in their wrist

unless you are saying you carry a purse?

[tidal bronze]

Quoting atx "not carried a wallet since 2012, January 13th" lmao.

[static schooner]

It's European!!!

[forest edge]

so id etc you just stuff in your undies? or do you use a fanny pack? lol

https://tenor.com/view/gucci-fanny-pack-on-loan-to-la-dance-gif-15250877

[tidal bronze]

This sucks, now I have to take her shopping in Uber. Why did I start drinking at 10AM.

[forest edge]

must be a lot of ubers there lol

[tidal bronze]

Like a fool I accepted the bet. What did I get myself into.

Bad sake I guess. 🤣

[forest edge]

yea being drunk and "shopping" would suck

https://tenor.com/view/robbery-gif-13159268482324327146

share any footage of you slipping on your way out please

[tidal bronze]

I never go in stores or malls so this is pure torture

Time to skew Uber wait times. 😆

[tidal bronze]

Transit in here? Lol

[forest edge]

@tidal bronzedone getting your new leotard?

[scenic radish]

vibe time has commenced

[tidal bronze]

Nicely done. Ledfx driving ddp?

[scenic radish]

my shitty python script driving tasmota 🤣

[real frigate]

That’s actually pretty badass. I played around with ledfx a bit, but ended up flooding my network out doing it. Fun times.

[scenic radish]

it was fun to make. i guess it's not shitty, but it's also not smart at all because you have to enter a BPM for it to use lol

but it works and it chooses each light and color at random, so there's that

[real frigate]

Huh! I like it! Actually makes me want to break out my lightshowpi boxes and see if I can get them to some things.

[forest edge]

thats some dog

[tidal bronze]

Oh not sound reactive, still cool.

[dusky plank]

$ nmcli device
DEVICE             TYPE       STATE                   CONNECTION
wlan0              wifi       connected               TG1300
38:9C:B2:C5:13:12  bt         connected               iPhone 15 Network
enx24f5a2f273ba    ethernet   connected (externally)  enx24f5a2f273ba
lo                 loopback   connected (externally)  lo
wg0                wireguard  connected (externally)  wg0
uap0               wifi       disconnected            --
p2p-dev-uap0       wifi-p2p   disconnected            --
p2p-dev-wlan0      wifi-p2p   disconnected            --

go home interface names, you are drunk

funny though, a stock rpi zero with that many wireless interfaces

[forest edge]

kind of funny it auto sets up the pi to pi connections

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/all-systems-operational-discord-down-discord-discord-status-server-gif-22808376

[last cedar]

That is the blue iris dog, if I ever saw one

I have a person moose too

@clear ferry when are you visiting btw? 🤣

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-happy-dance-funny-celebrate-gif-26583450

[last cedar]

I have a squirrel fox, also

It steals bread, proper cute, 10/10 would give belly rubs

[forest edge]

lucky.. all i get is racoons

[last cedar]

I think you are the lucky one 🤣

[ocean oar]

I got possum. But I haven't spotted it on the camera in a while

Though apparently people in this general vicinity are getting Kiwi wandering into their garden after a recent re-introduction of them into the hills around here
https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/05/02/homeowners-shock-as-kiwi-turns-up-in-suburban-backyard/

[last cedar]

Seems like I need a raccoon, posssum and a kiwi

[ocean oar]

We don't have raccoons

Or squirrels

I can offer you a rat

Plenty of those

[forest edge]

want an alaskan racoon? https://youtube.com/shorts/kGDQRX4W4VI?si=8Nj9IVx7sF3qt2ZY

[primal laurel]

https://h01-release.storage.googleapis.com/explore.html 3D model of a tiny part of the human brain

[last cedar]

Damn, those things are a bit scary

[solar zealot]

Are those the virtual switches people always talk about?

[real frigate]

Well, that didn't take long... lol https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2024/05/stack-overflow-users-sabotage-their-posts-after-openai-deal/

[forest edge]

painting to be sold for over 20 million https://youtu.be/OAfv33kCydQ?si=0eFgd0bnw7cKd9Ge

||/s||

[primal laurel]

seems pretty pointless. They'll just restore the answers to from before the announcement

[prisma briar]

StackOverflow is a joke of a site anyways. Any question that needs an answer more advanced than can be copied from a text book gets shut down under any of a half-dozen different absurd labels.

I'd take a relevant programming ebook over StackOverflow any day personally

[civic glade]

Im looking for feedback from the hass community to see if there is interest in getting access to hard button remotes and other hardware through the URC Total Control platform that has a hass integration and will continue to be hass friendly in the future. I have posted in the forum. Please let me know if this is something that sounds interesting. Thanks. https://community.home-assistant.io/t/integration-with-urc-total-control/727921

[prisma briar]

All training an AI on StackOverflow is going to do is make a crappy skiddy LLM

[real frigate]

True... just reminds me of the Reddit API wars... People are too kneejerk now a days.

[real frigate]

This is true. I rarely use SO/SE at all anymore. Kinda sad as it was such a good resource back in the day...

[prisma briar]

It fell victim to it's own curation

They ended up curating out any question that wasn't low hanging fruit

[forest edge]

There will always be interest by some for expand capabilities with other ecosystems to work with HA. that is just a safe default assumption to make. Even if there was HA specific URC products to make a profit they would sell because some already or will have that ecosystem

[civic glade]

Its already available through our portal for free to all the current URC Total Control dealers. I was just wondering if I should try and find a way to make it accessible to the hass community without needing to go through an authorized dealer who would be required to then do the install and programming.

[forest edge]

I think you already know the answer to that lol

[prisma briar]

Requiring an authorized dealer to program something basic like a home control panel is wildly anti-consumer

You should discontinue that practice

[forest edge]

its hard to get a real good gauge of what people want in this project because for every one person who actively participates in the forums or on here etc, there is so much more that use HA without really ever checking the forums for anything other than what they are specifically trying to find an answer for

[prisma briar]

Home Assistant people spend a lot of time shopping around and notice shady crap like requiring authorized dealers for things

[civic glade]

I think you are completely misunderstanding our place in the industry.

Our dealers provide a service and do installs for people who either dont have time, knowledge, or any interest in doing their own automation install and programming.

[prisma briar]

So? That doesn't require them to use an authorized dealer

There's no justification for that

It's like Tesla saying you need to go to them for repairs

At the end of the day requiring your service people to make changes is only there to pad your bottom line

And having worked with such systems at an enterprise level it's really annoying.

[civic glade]

Our systems are not DIY level. So it requires an authorized dealer who has been properly trained to deploy the system.

Thats how we can control the end user experience. And provide the best possibility that they will be happy with our system.

[forest edge]

this is refering to control 4?

[prisma briar]

If your ecosystem is so half-baked that it needs a professional installer to avoid pitfalls and issues it's not going to go over well in the hobbyist community

[forest edge]

or something diff

[civic glade]

Our system is in the same market as Control 4

[forest edge]

nm @tidal bronze brought up the URC control not that long ago, he seemed interested in it

[civic glade]

Those convinced against their will will be of the same opinion still. I keep this in mind so I never argue with people on the internet. Netham you are welcome to your opinion. Im not going to try and change your mind.

[forest edge]

i'll never be able to get that fancy so I don't know what the systems are that are out there lol

[prisma briar]

Okay, I'm going to continue thinking you're an anti-consumer company with a shoddy ecosystem.

[forest edge]

@prisma briaryou realize he's just a cog in the clock asking if he should make it so HA people can bypass the whole thing you are complaining about right?

[prisma briar]

Yea, and I suggested he should discontinue that practice, then he started arguing about market position and ecosystems and crap

Literally the thing he asked about I provided my opinion on then he started trying to justify and defend it

I don't think what I said is invalid either, most DIYers will see 'professional install required' on most of the companies products and look elsewhere.

And selling exclusively through dealers is wildly anti-consumer

[forest edge]

there will always be products made to target specific consumers that want what those products are more designed for. it's not like the existence of them hinders diy'ers in any way

[prisma briar]

No, I'm not saying they should shut down or anything, I'm just pointing out that if they want to target a DIY hobbyist audience that stuff won't fly.

Which, if you notice, was what his original question was all about.

idk why he even asked for feedback if he couldn't handle feedback

[forest edge]

considering we still see people inquire about using HA as their product for the same kind of system he is referring to. the lines are a little muddy lol

paying someone to professionally install a HA system and to maintain it is no different even if all the hardware is non proprietary

[prisma briar]

That's very different

[forest edge]

how?

[prisma briar]

Namely you can fire the installer and find another or do it yourself

[winged obsidian]

I have no problem with providing professional services to someone who wants to pay. Requiring professional services for some bullshit like “we want to control the experience” is some bullshit. And telling an HA user of all people that they need to control the experience is laughable.

[forest edge]

there are multiple authorized dealers.. so..

the do it yourself is the only thing you lack, but who pays for that and wants to do it themself lol

[glacial knot]

confused lumberjack noises

[prisma briar]

Man, you live in the middle of the US. You know well enough that there's going to be giant areas of the country with only one installer, if even that.

[forest edge]

I think it's the fact that there ARE others that make the diffrence

[prisma briar]

Outside of things that are far more dangerous than home automation there's no justification for authorized-only dealers.

They're useless middle-men being forced in to artifically raise the price of a commodity.

[forest edge]

those kind of ecosystems are not going away no matter what. there are TONS of people who would rather go that route than any form of DIY.. at least spin was trying to give access to others. I think that is what to focus on

[prisma briar]

That's fine for them. If they want to operate like that they probably shouldn't come to an HA server asking what HA people want, though.

[forest edge]

I mean.. that kind of not right lol

all should be welcomed..

[winged obsidian]

To be clear, this is what @spin said that triggered my response:

Our systems are not DIY level. So it requires an authorized dealer who has been properly trained to deploy the system.
Thats how we can control the end user experience. And provide the best possibility that they will be happy with our system.

If they want to offer their service, great. If they want to require their service, GTFO.

[prisma briar]

More for their sake than being unwelcoming

This is just bad optics for their company

[primal laurel]

Apple does the exact same thing but on an exponential scale. And yet most Americans buy their stuff. Most people just dont care

[forest edge]

his whole thing was to bypass those parts you have issues with.. thats why I don't get the hositility

[glacial knot]

TBH, if I provide software support, I want hardware to at least be QAd by someone I trust
Doesn't quite fit the HA community though

[forest edge]

everything anyone does to expand the abilities of HA is a good thing no matter what.. is it not?

am i missing something?

not like his addition is going to force those who want nothing to do with it to ever have to deal with any part of it

[glacial knot]

Depends on the reading for control for me
If it's QA/QC I'm on board. If it's invasive to the usage then not

[prisma briar]

You're missing that he asked for what peoples opinions' are going to be

And this is people giving him their opinion

And in return he argued

[forest edge]

which he read and moved on

[prisma briar]

No, he read then argued then decided to leave when he realized that he was arguing a losing fight.

[winged obsidian]

There are two threads of conversation here:

1. Q: Should they make the integration freely available? A: Resounding yes.
2. Q: Should they require a dealer to perform 100% of system installations? A: No, and please don't give some condescending nonsense like "Thats how we can control the end user experience. And provide the best possibility that they will be happy with our system."

[deft pewter]

condescending nonsense like "Thats how we can control the end user experience. And provide the best possibility that they will be happy with our system."
Except some people want that. Some people want to hand over a stack of cash in exchange for something that 'just works'.

[forest edge]

the wording was to pull HA into thier system, not the other way around so it makes sense that a system already designed or whatever they call it that needs a professional to deal with, would have to do that part of for HA

[deft pewter]

If that's the market they're targeting, that's fine. If you're not their target market, you can safely move on and ignore them.

[prisma briar]

He wasn't asking for those peoples' opinions, he was here asking for the average hobbyist's opinion

[winged obsidian]

Let those people purchase the professional services. Nobody is saying they should not offer them.

[prisma briar]

Again, he asked for opinions.

[deft pewter]

Yes, I saw. And none of us know that they didn't seek opinions elsewhere from other market segments.

[prisma briar]

How does that even matter?

I don't care what other fictious peoples' opinions are, he was here asking for opinions here.

Then when he got an opinion he didn't like he spewed a bunch of marketing bullshit and left.

[deft pewter]

Because y'all seem incapable of accepting that there are other views than your own. 🤷 I don't get why people are even arguing about it still.

[prisma briar]

You don't seem to even know what was being discussed

And yet you're trying to argue too

[forest edge]

getting a little too hostile up in here for me. I got some mowing to do. i'm out

[tidal bronze]

Sounds great as long as there's end user access to purchase the hardware. With Harmony EOL much opportunity out there.

[static schooner]

For several years, I felt like URC remotes (like the 980) were the most customizable remotes on the (reasonably affordable) market, especially with their RF support. The dealer gatekeeping was off-putting, but I was able to find one who let me purchase the hardware and software to set it up myself. It was great, even if the software was a little clunky

[tidal bronze]

Agreed, greet product. Used to integrate them back in the day. Yep, the dealer stuff makes little sense in 2024

[static schooner]

when I couldn't find a dealer to play ball a few years ago when I wanted to upgrade, I moved to a different product

[tidal bronze]

That's the URC upgrade path.

Unfortunate, that they have not realized that yet.

[forest edge]

i loathe parasitic draw

[dire spear]

i had an AC dealer rant to me about how diy mini splits should be illegal

and wouldnt even tell me the fricken list prices of the stuff they sold

[forest edge]

lol could you imagine how much freon would have been let out over the years if ac units weren't generally installed professionally

[winged obsidian]

I peeked at their site after our conversation today and wow. "Find a dealer" requires filling out a form, so good luck finding two to compete with each other. https://www.urc-automation.com/find-a-dealer/. But if you want to find a not dealer, here you go: https://www.urc-automation.com/legal/internet-sales-policy/

[static schooner]

Yeah, I'm aware. Like I said, 'off-putting', and generally user-hostile

But clear, so I just went elsewhere

[winged obsidian]

This is where licensing is valuable. Key difference is the source of the requirement. For example, when I had a new AC put in 2 years ago I went with a contractor who offered more than one vendor's equipment. Choice of licensed contractor and choice of equipment to get to a competitive bit.

• bid

[forest edge]

most offer more than one brand don't they?

funny thing about whole home hvac.. there is only like 3 major companies. it's like appliances where the same crap is sold with slightly different components under a different brands name at a price difference. good ole monopoly

[winged obsidian]

Yes, and I did get bids from one contractor with a choice of brands. Not the one I picked ultimately, but the point you're making remains.

[winged obsidian]

Yeah, figuring out where a bid was for the same manufacturer with different nameplates was a thing too.

[forest edge]

https://youtu.be/Ktc9FtAaFW8?si=5MSndbitR7fsRyKK

[winged obsidian]

Northern lights across the whole US would be cool though

[forest edge]

think many would find it more scary than cool lol

[static schooner]

Cue the alien and other nutcase conspiracies

[winged obsidian]

I can't wait to hear what our congresscritters have to say 🙄

[static schooner]

chemtrails....from....space

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/killer-klown-gif-8153705

[primal laurel]

just in time 😅

[static schooner]

See, mass transit is too dangerous

[glacial knot]

it's the people on bikes!

also, trains! Those unsupervised doors are a menace

[static schooner]

Cars are clearly the answer

[glacial knot]

cars wouldn't get stuck in doors like that

[winged obsidian]

Oh, look, the NASA picture has a space laser: https://apnews.com/article/solar-storm-flares-eruption-sun-fc23251025efc2d20dc128dc0b6a7c68. Ugh.

[forest edge]

i vaguely remember going out to look at the last one we got in early 2000's but I do not remember actually seeing anything

[prisma briar]

They seem allergic to reversable pumps too

I couldn't find one around here who would even consider installing a reversable system, my only choice was DIY.

[primal laurel]

I have seen people get stuck in the door. Doesnt hurt you but it's just so stupid

[dire spear]

what do you mean by reversible

[forest edge]

the inground system i think is what he is talking about

we have installers for those systems here

[prisma briar]

Just one that can heat/cool

The installers around me were offering base-level cooling-only systems at like 2x markup

The systems were so crappy I wouldn't even have been eligible for a tax break on them

[forest edge]

house a few streets down from me had that system installed. no idea what the cost was

[dire spear]

thats litterally the only kind ive ever seen for mini split

[prisma briar]

They also wouldn't do a mini-split, they wanted to repair my central air exchanger

[dire spear]

more profit in that i guess

[prisma briar]

The three places I called just didn't do minisplits

[forest edge]

should contact a contractor rather than a hvac company

[dire spear]

my neightbour got a roofing quote. the looked at the house, said all the osb needed to be replaced and the trusses were damaged, and it was $9000 or something mental for 800sft of roof..... house has no osb, or trusses, and was in mint shape.

[prisma briar]

It was going to be like 8-10k to have the central air repaired since it'd require pulling the furnace out, and they wanted the electrical inspected

[forest edge]

shit is scary lol

[prisma briar]

Roofing companies are a scam

[dire spear]

thats so weird. prettymuch everything is minisplits here the last 5 years

[prisma briar]

At least the ones that go door to door

[prisma briar]

idk, it all seemed really backwards to me.

[dire spear]

yeah, trying to find a mark

[prisma briar]

Everything I got offered was like 14 seer 3 ton garbage

[dire spear]

O_o

old stock?

weird stuff

[forest edge]

plenty of videos online showcasing homes in the south that regretted going mini split over central air

[prisma briar]

idk, one guy tried telling me that the air was too thin at altitude for anything more efficent to work

[forest edge]

between the home needing to be really good insultaed and how many units you made need with sqft

[prisma briar]

I have three minisplit heads around my house

[dire spear]

what altitude? maybes thats true, have not heard of that

[prisma briar]

Like 6000'/1800m

[forest edge]

fireplace during winter, open window in summer

[dire spear]

thats it? thats not even high

[prisma briar]

Yea, I dismissed that as BS

Outside of the work I just won't do like sewer work I've always had better luck doing work myself over calling somebody in

[dire spear]

quick google says you need to dertate the units as altitude increased, but were talking like 30% at 10000ft

nothing meaningful

i dot everything, but theres some jobs i wish i had money to not do 😛

liiike, digging a trench for plumbing in rock

actually its not even the rock right now, its fricken maple tree roots

i need to buy an excavator one day

buy used for 25k. keep 3-4 years til im done. sell for 25k.

[prisma briar]

And even if you're derating it a percentage a 24 seer unit is going to be better than a 14 seer unit

The sewer work I had needed city permits to have my hookup redone, plus it was a huge mess in a cramped area.

I was pretty glad to pay somebody else to fix that, lol

My house was built with cast iron pipes in the 70s, the main one out to the sewer broke on me

[glacial knot]

While i'm pretty sure that's not what happened
The mental image of them casting the entire pipe system into the house at once amuses me

Like the tin models of ant's nests

[prisma briar]

lol

It was probably actually extruded and machined, but it was iron either way

idk, it was really messed up when I saw it.

They had a team fixing it and it still took them two days

Then they had to hang around for half a day waiting for an inspector

[forest edge]

cast iron under a home can last forever

where it protrudes through the slab tho is a diffrent story

[prisma briar]

I'm not sure what damaged it. It was messed up when we moved in.

I didn't realize at all how badly though.

The home inspector I had look over the place when I moved in was a joke.

[forest edge]

years ago the city had a program that would pay up to 3k for a backflow valve to be put in outside and part of that was to help pay for the replacement of the clay pipe to the main connection. they required my internal pipe to be endoscoped for any damage

mine turned out to be pretty good for being over 40 years old at the time

[prisma briar]

My parents had to get theirs replaced while I was still living there, the house shifted and broke the pipe at the foundation

Happened to most of the houses on the block

[forest edge]

where you live that actually dosen't surprise me

[static schooner]

Gave your house a colonoscopy, eh?

[forest edge]

pretty much

[prisma briar]

There's a ton of clay in the soil here, foundation issues are really common

[forest edge]

anywhere there can be hard freeze thaw hard freeze thaw will have foundation issues

[prisma briar]

That too

[forest edge]

with global warming we don't get that here as much as we used too lol

[prisma briar]

It froze here last week

I went and walked my dog around a lake at 5 AM that day, that was pretty nice.

[forest edge]

surprised many homes in colorado aren't built on like stilts to a degree

they do that in alaska

[prisma briar]

My current house is on jacks, my parents' had a poured concrete foundation

Last house I rented was concrete too

[forest edge]

i wonder if they bring dirt/clay in to line a certian padding around those foundations first

[prisma briar]

I imagine they do something.

The house across the street from us had their foundation mudjacked up

[tidal bronze]

So what did they find in your internal pipe?

[forest edge]

thankfully nothing but the guy said sometimes they can find stuff sushi eaters crave

[tidal bronze]

Microbiome issues

I think I need another NUC

[static schooner]

House needs a probiotic

[tidal bronze]

Lol. What about the pre

[static schooner]

Maybe sone fiber

[tidal bronze]

psyllium husk

[dire spear]

most likely continuous cast. no mold, just flows out and is sprayed with water to harden the shell

[tidal bronze]

Getting ready for some Japanese egg salad sandwich

[winged obsidian]

"100% plant based" is an interesting claim on a bread. Yeast is not a plant.

Not an animal either, but that's not the claim. The claim is 100% plant.

[tidal bronze]

As long as it's low carb, tastes better than any regular sourdough, I am in

[winged obsidian]

NorCal here, you can expect me to be a snob about sourdough

[tidal bronze]

Hard to find

It's only few times a month so gotta make it count. 😆

[dusky plank]

First time i get to see polar lights

Its awesome

[neon hawk]

where is this?

Alps?

[last cedar]

We have 92% chance of seeing it

And 100% cloud cover

Fml

Sannolikhet - likelyhood

Molntäkning - cloud cover

[neon hawk]

boo

[ocean oar]

That happened to me when we went on holiday to Iceland back in 2017.
Either got clear sky with 1/9 or 2/9 on the Aurora forecast, or 7/9 with heavy cloud.
Then on our 2nd-to-last night, 8/9 forecast, clear sky... and a full moon so we couldn't see shit.

[forest edge]

you can't even eat normal egg salad? for shame!

[forest edge]

that sucks. think the drive in the nvr in the barn died lol

[tidal bronze]

It's not normal It's better. Anything is better with Kewpie Mayo.

[ocean oar]

Kewpie 🥰

I don't like regular mayo even a little bit, but Kewpie can get in my face hole at any opportunity

[tidal bronze]

@forest edge you should try a Tomago Sando. Life changing.

[solar zealot]

thats just decrusted toast

[tidal bronze]

Goog picture. I don't do white bread 😆

[static schooner]

lol, indeed. looks like mom cut off the crust

[solar zealot]

it tastes better like that

[ocean oar]

Everyone knows the best crustless sandwiches are cut on the diagonal though.
Gotta have the two triangles

[tidal bronze]

I have to agree with the triangle cut.

[solar zealot]

do you go for the two or four triangle version

[tidal bronze]

2 always.

[solar zealot]

[tidal bronze]

Unless it's a ribbon sandwich

[solar zealot]

you americans with their cake like toast preferences...

[tidal bronze]

1762 England, nothing to do with star spangled banner.

[solar zealot]

dont lie, english people never ate something fun ever

[tidal bronze]

3 veggie layers

[solar zealot]

cake and vinegar

thats their groove

[ocean oar]

"Non-brewed condiment": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=642x2Y3Zla0

[tidal bronze]

I agree mostly bland food but nothing beats an English breakfast with blood sausage

[solar zealot]

"the chip shops"

we better not ask them about where they go buy their microcrisps

[ocean oar]

It's funny actually, living in a commonwealth country we have our local adaptations to "fish and chips", and having tried the authentic British version, blergh

[solar zealot]

the dish itself is horrific but acceptable

no idea how youd be like yep this neutral taste food needs to taste absolutely horrible

[ocean oar]

Also if you want a slightly strange read about a NZ foodstuff: https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/20-02-2017/finding-rosemary-in-search-of-the-unsung-hero-who-invented-kiwi-onion-dip
While sour cream based dips for potato chips are common in most places, we've got a local version with a different (shelf-stable, canned) dairy product you pretty much don't find elsewhere in the world, which is mixed with malt vinegar and powdered instant onion soup to make dip.
Nestle (I know, I know) attempted to discontinue it once, to such an uproar it feels like they probably won't try to be that stupid again any time soon.

[forest edge]

that plate $250? lol

[tidal bronze]

I don't think so. $6 or $7

They are available in any Japanese store.

TBH I don't know the price. So I could be wrong. I never ask or check prices on food.

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-up-take-my-money-gif-17990746

oh wait you don't pay by cash.. you just have them scan the implant in your wrist

[static schooner]

so you and your wife both just get the "women's menu" :). Who needs prices?

[ocean oar]

Birb:

Landed on our deck about a metre away from me, strutted about for a bit, then slid down the stair rail and flew off. Little show-off

[static schooner]

You know it wanted to peck your eye out, right?

[ocean oar]

Probably

They are cute, but hilariously conservation efforts have been going a bit too well, and they're starting to become a pest

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/roast-chicken-yummy-golden-delicious-hot-gif-17860863

[static schooner]

Roast beast

[forest edge]

made me pucker just watching lol https://youtube.com/shorts/mMlvGvVIrvc?si=mOQ9tTxPQsb_SFP3

[lone dagger]

[static schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/it-was-the-aliens-im-not-saying-it-was-aliens-ancient-aliens-gif-14839810013080040984

An alien pointing a big magnet at the earth

[forest edge]

everyone in canada farted at the same time

[last cedar]

Stunning! We had cloud cover.....

[lone dagger]

Normally we get cloud cover problems, this is a first for me.

[last cedar]

I hope to get to see them properly at some point!

[neon hawk]

so I went out at 3am with a drone

guess who forgot SD cards?

[ocean oar]

It's clear here tonight, sadly no view to the south from our place but with the size of this solar storm that might be unnecessary.
Also here at ~41°S things have to be really cranking to see anything, but it's far from unheard of

[last cedar]

I am slightly south of Stockholm, in terms of degrees above the equator, I should be able to see it quite often, if it wasn't for the damn clouds!

[neon hawk]

hopefully it will be still be up there tonight

[last cedar]

Probably 746% cloud tonight if there is still high activity 🤣

[young sigil]

Looking out my back door

[last cedar]

Norway?

No this looks like the USA

Stunning, none the less!

[young sigil]

Tasmania.

[last cedar]

Omg I was so close when I said Norway

[summer mesa]

My house, around midnight last night (Ireland).

[glacial knot]

@last cedar https://displate.com/displate/4407290 did you make this?

[solar zealot]

The fluffy cheeks match

[young sigil]

Yeah only about 13,000Km off (if you dig straight down). 🤣

[clear ferry]

Close, but not really

I love r/shitamericanssay

[real frigate]

I so want to go grammar police on that post... MUST RESIST! 🤣

[deft pewter]

The grammar sucks, sure. But that's not the craziest part about them.

Some Americans and their weird ideas of heritage and identity smh my head

[real frigate]

lmao!!! 100% (and I say that as an American).

[deft pewter]

But you're presumable one of the sane(r) ones.

It's just so weird that someone whose family hasn't even set foot in a country for generations clings so tightly so something and builds their identity around it. No, you're not Irish.

[real frigate]

Psh... you just don't know me yet... sane and me are not good bedfellows lol

[deft pewter]

And thanks for introducing me to that sub. I particularly like the post where an American claims to have invented Halloween 😂

[real frigate]

I'm third generation Irish/Russian, My grandfather immigrated from Ireland back in the 30s and his wife from Russia in the mid 40s. People ask me "what I am" and I usually just say I'm American. I still have family in Ireland, but I'm no more Irish than I am a Martian.

[deft pewter]

I remember my mother looked into our family tree and found out we have some Scandinavian heritage. I don't gaf about that. I'm just English.

Like, it's cool that we're all a mix, but it doesn't define us. Our upbringing affects our identity way more than a few genes do.

[real frigate]

It's just like those people that claim they can drink a lot because they are [insert nationality here]. Ugh... no, you can drink "a lot" (but usually not) due to your genetics. Has shit to do with where your family is from. MAYBE environmental factors play in too, but zip to do with nationality.

[summer mesa]

Ireland has entered the chat.

😉

[real frigate]

lmao @summer mesa

[deft pewter]

Yeah, genetics is a factor here. Don't a lot of Asian folk have what basically amounts to an alcohol allergy? Not all of them though - so you can't even claim it's a nationality thing. It's just more prevalent in some places.

[summer mesa]

I'm always very suspicious when people start attributing things to genetics. It really is rarely a dominant factor, and it feels like a horrible slippery slope from there to outright racism.

[deft pewter]

I think the one time I can somewhat accept the "I'm X" arguments is when it's at a community level. Like how NYC historically had such an Italian influence, which still shows now.

[real frigate]

I have a one word rebuttal: Sake lol (kidding though)... I've never heard of an allergy like that. I might have to change my opinion.

[deft pewter]

This is what I'm referring to: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_flush_reaction

[summer mesa]

Yes, there is a specific alcohol response which is somewhat correlated with east asian ancestry: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2659709

snap

[real frigate]

Huh... TIL.

[deft pewter]

Around 30–50% of East Asians carry the rs671 (ALDH2*2) allele on chromosome 12, which results in a less functional acetaldehyde dehydrogenase enzyme, responsible for the breakdown of acetaldehyde, and accounts for most incidents of alcohol flush reaction worldwide.
Most certainly can be attributed to genetics. But it's still wrong to extend that to any kind of stereotype.

[real frigate]

holy crap that is a fascinating read... Thanks guys!

[deft pewter]

Genetics is amazing. And it's great that thanks to the modern scientific process (of challenging what we think we know), we've realised that it's not just about the genes you inherit... it's about whether they even get triggered to express their properties. Epigenetics is fantastic.

Also, things like eye colour. People always believed that you inherit the relevant genes from each parent, and the dominant one wins. But that doesn't explain situations where you can have an eye colour which can't be explained by your parents, and doesn't explain the change in eye colour during your lifetime.

Researchers used to think that eye color was determined by a single gene and followed a simple inheritance pattern in which brown eyes were dominant to blue eyes. Under this model, it was believed that parents who both had blue eyes could not have a child with brown eyes. However, later studies showed that this model was too simplistic. Although it is uncommon, parents with blue eyes can have children with brown eyes. The inheritance of eye color is more complex than originally suspected because multiple genes are involved. While a child’s eye color can often be predicted by the eye colors of his or her parents and other relatives, genetic variations sometimes produce unexpected results.
https://medlineplus.gov/genetics/understanding/traits/eyecolor/#:~:text=Eye color is determined by,front layers of the iris.

[primal laurel]

I think there is definitely some truth to it. We adapt to our environment, we always have

[clear ferry]

I bend to no Dogs or social constraints, except Shub Niggurath

[deft pewter]

Hail Azathoth

[clear ferry]

Ftagn

[deft pewter]

Summer already? 😁

[clear ferry]

Almost

To be fair, we usually have snow from September to june

[real frigate]

lol and here in the Eastern US, there's not been snow on the mountains for months now...

[deft pewter]

I mean... atx lives inside the Arctic circle 😂

[solar zealot]

Is it just me or does LPCAMM2 look like it just exists to drive new memory kit sales?

Like this just looks like it adds significant complexity which will make swapping memory significantly more difficult

[deft pewter]

Eh? Isn't one of the main selling points that it's easier? It's a screw-in module instead of the soldered-on crap that's become way too common of late.

[clear ferry]

above

Far above

[solar zealot]

Well the sodimm variant is a tool less clip in design

[real frigate]

https://tenor.com/0l7W.gif

[deft pewter]

Noice. That's where they keep one of the Stargates, right?

[clear ferry]

Two actually

[solar zealot]

So this now needs tools and has a more complex socket which people need to be careful around

I must be totally missing the point of it

[deft pewter]

If you're comparing to the toolless ones, it's worse... but soldering has become way too common now. Over that, it's a clear improvement.

And needing to be careful around the socket? Anyone that opens the case of a device should do so at their own risk. If they mess up pins, that's on them.

[solar zealot]

There was nothing really to mess up with the old design

Wonder if it's about bandwidth tho that shouldn't really be a socket issue...

[primal laurel]

I refuse to believe this is a coincidence

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-damn-it-dammit-i-knew-it-not-surprised-gif-22020226

[finite atlas]

If the price for LPCAMM2 and SODIMM modules are the same, or within 5%, i see absolutely no issue with it.
Ontop of using less volume inside a machine, it optimizes the electrical layout of the connection from the CPU -> RAM by a lot, improving stability of faster RAM modules.

[solar zealot]

hm maybe that will become useful with next the generation of memory
prices currently seem to be about the same as the sodimm modules

tho now i wonder

[finite atlas]

From what i've seen, one can expect at least 20% higher speeds.

[solar zealot]

the name lpcamm2 suggests that a non low profile version exists

[finite atlas]

Its probably the one, where they used a 4cm thick pcb

kekw

[solar zealot]

similar to
https://images-cdn.9gag.com/photo/aB0QB4Q_700b.jpg

[glacial knot]

ah yes, Lieutenant Manager

[finite atlas]

too bad it does not translate well from german to english

[solar zealot]

yes

[glacial knot]

No

[static schooner]

Nein?

[neon hawk]

Nee!

[finite blaze]

i dont know if this is a term but i have a crippling home assistant addiction and ikea is my remedy since they sell very cheap smart home stuff

[solar zealot]

sorry but this isnt treatable

very contagious

[orchid rose]

Any Eurovision predictions here?

[primal laurel]

Joost

[prisma briar]

From a convo I saw in another discord I'm half expecting a riot because Joost got disqualified

[orchid rose]

Dutch can't handle an L 🙂

[prisma briar]

Lol, the people I saw complaining were all Dutch.

[primal laurel]

You mean the swedes

[orchid rose]

They stole our W last year 😦

This was off year for Winland though, oof

[glacial knot]

You don't like Windows95?

[orchid rose]

Not a fan, no

quite funny that they had to pixelate it for the wider audience

[glacial knot]

"it"? o.0

[orchid rose]

The Windows logo

not "it" 🙂

[prisma briar]

Finndows 95

[summer mesa]

That was actually printed on his shirt and hat. It wasn't blurred in post.

[orchid rose]

Yeah but before this it was always the regular logo

[summer mesa]

#til

[lone dagger]

Today I did my joy and dug around in dirt in bare feet.

[neon hawk]

poor Joost ;()

[finite blaze]

SWITZERLAND WON celebrates in swiss resident

[orchid rose]

Not my favorite, but gongratz

[finite blaze]

i didnt even listen to it 😭

[neon hawk]

i boycotted it

[glacial knot]

Swiss Song is ok
Croatia was more fun though

I only watched because people were talking about drama:0

[finite blaze]

im going to listen tommorow

i should go to bed now

[neon hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/europapa-joost-klein-netherlands-dutch-eurovision-2024-gif-16372266755853258956

[solar zealot]

wouldnt have rated swiss above 4/10

estonia ftw

[forest edge]

you guys talking about Third World has Talent?

[neon hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/ok-boomer-thumbs-up-kylo-ren-undercover-ren-snl-gif-16153766

[forest edge]

https://i.pinimg.com/474x/90/1b/21/901b213a9a7608fed0ecc109f58705ff.jpg

[forest edge]

they really dropped the ball on the new ghostbuster movie containment breach scene. no epic music score at all

[neon hawk]

Nederlander toch?

[last cedar]

No, but I do need that in my life!

[red rock]

Ikr

[neon hawk]

alles goed?

[red rock]

Please keep English tho

[neon hawk]

for sure just playing a joke 😉

[red rock]

Yea just woke up from a night of specialty beers and Jägermeister

[finite blaze]

still havent listened to it

[neon hawk]

errgh dark beer and jager dont mix well the next day

[red rock]

They did quite well

I had the Swiss song in my playlist before I knew it was a Eurovision song

And the best meme about the song is

[finite blaze]

ok the swiss song is not bad i like it

[red rock]

https://twittpr.com/Krm_H67/status/1788651129120739520

[finite blaze]

excited since eurovision is in switzerland next year :3

[red rock]

My food in the microwave

[neon hawk]

not really a eurovision fan normally but I do like Joost Klein and his tune this year

[red rock]

Oh man

I've seen him live

And

Gladde paling remixed it and played it live

That moshpit was amazing

[dusky plank]

https://tenor.com/view/conchita-conchitawurst-riselikeaphoenix-thomasneuwirth-gif-5260755

[late gate]

Is it anyone who been testing a bit unbias on whats the best to run on a wall dashboard? I have a couple of generic andorid 11 15.5" tabs with POE. They are just ok so not super much processing power RK3566 w 2GB ram). I have been looking a bit at the KIOSK app, but many is complinaing its a resource hog. Best would be to run the native client, but again quite power hungry? and at least many say the wallpanel.xyz is the least resource usage. I have two things I am trying to figure out 1. How to run HA lightest possible and 2. possibility to control the tab via MQTT (execute commands like screen, alerts, reboots, and get all system resources out so I can see what is booging down things). Any thouhts?

[solar zealot]

does it even matter how many resources are being used? like its not having to serve a secondary purpose while being connected to power all the time anyway

controlling the device i think should be possible through adb features if i recall correctly

[late gate]

I was thinking so that I know if its enough for usage. I am planning to work with some companies to bring homelab and home assistant tools to the public at a great rate, but I am trying stuff out so I can stand behind them. But for that I need real data

[solar zealot]

personally i wouldnt worry too much about the performance of something that displays what effectively is a web page

but for the device selection itself, it may be more important that it comes without a battery. saves money weight and a potential cause of failure

[late gate]

true. its not meant to be super fast, but it need to be responsive when you click a button. For those purposes fully kiosk or native HA app could be best as it provide more data

the tab I am testing now I an get at around 150USD with 16inch display and POE, but I think personally it could benefit of 4-8gb ram and a big faster CPU. The cost difference is not extreme

[solar zealot]

No idea what this additional memory would be used for

It's a website

[late gate]

from what I know lovelace renders a lot on client side, so its a bit more load than usual, but yeah ofc thats why I want to test all options 🙂

[solar zealot]

I hate Unity. It's super borked left and right and somehow stuff that can be tested locally will fail to build

[lone dagger]

I went into yesterday’s yard work with a slightly tight lower back, but listened to my body as I worked. I woke up this morning and my back is feeling pretty good.

As the RN who helped me through my back surgery said, MOTION IS THE LOTION.

[static schooner]

Or we've just never asked them...

Didn't we learn anything from the dolphins?

[lone dagger]

You assume we learn things.

[sharp plover]

lol

[primal laurel]

as with the dolphins, you may learn things you don't like

blissful ignorance

[deft pewter]

Why ask the dolphins? They're only the second most intelligent species on Earth.

[primal laurel]

First being ravens you mean?

[deft pewter]

No, silly. The mice.

They're smart enough that they run experiments on humans.

[sharp plover]

I know where that's from

[primal laurel]

I thought the chimpanzees were the ones running experiments on us

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/the-same-thing-we-do-every-night-take-over-the-world-mad-pissed-angry-gif-4596927

[deft pewter]

Close

[sharp plover]

oh wait I actually thought it was hitchhikers guide

[deft pewter]

It is 😄

[sharp plover]

oh

[deft pewter]

The mice were that ones that were ||running an Earth-sized simulation to figure out the answer||.

But I prefer the dolphins because they ||at least tried to warn us that the Earth was about to be demolished||

[sharp plover]

wow yeah, I forgot a lot of it but remember like arthur dent and some of the ships. There was this spaceship with an improbability drive where if it calculated how improbably something was it literally made fuel/ propulsion for itself

[deft pewter]

Yes, the Heart of Gold.

[lone dagger]

My 10yo son wrote me a poem for (US) Mother’s Day!!

[orchid rose]

ChatGPT is a hell of a tool 😉

[lone dagger]

lol he has absolutely no access to that.

[forest edge]

10 and dosen't have a cell phone? that is shocking lol

[lone dagger]

Unlike a lot of other parents, I control a lot of his internet access still.

[lone dagger]

Correct, no phone. An iPad but it’s locked down.

[forest edge]

good for you, pretty sure all this internet access is why the general overall IQ is dropping between every generation

[solar zealot]

The hand nearly hands like hands do

[lone dagger]

He has some computer access but most websites are inaccessible.

[solar zealot]

I never remember how vectors work

[primal laurel]

but it hasn't

[lone dagger]

So I worked for Xbox support and that taught me quick how smart children are when their parents are not tech savvy. Which is A LOT more than you’d expect lol.

[forest edge]

not the first time we had this discussion in here, plenty of proof has been submitted @primal laurel

[lone dagger]

They get clever with their workarounds.

[forest edge]

thats no diffrent than children knowing how to work the VCR etc

[primal laurel]

you have submitted zero proof

[forest edge]

our young minds are sponges with way better eyes

[lone dagger]

I mean, that doesn’t negate my point?

[forest edge]

lets just drop this here for everyone's sake cause the second I go back and link to the past discussion this is gonna end up being a mod thing lol

[lone dagger]

Also knowing a VCR is a little less complicated than understanding how networking works…

[primal laurel]

nah absolutely not going to let you make this ridiculous comment every time

where is the proof?

[static schooner]

do remember how ridiculous it was to program an old-school VCR??

[lone dagger]

No because my dad did all that. 🤣

[neon hawk]

hey dont knock it!! i earned money off my family and neighbours knowing how to use a VHS

[static schooner]

it was peak engineer-design and well before anybody cared about the humans who need to use the device

and the stakes were high - you could miss your show and never be able to see it again!

[neon hawk]

one of the worst things i have ever seen was by Motorola - one of theirr phones had this "massive" 99 entry phonebook!

the prroblem was....it was not linked to the dialer 😉

u could not dial anyone out of the phonebook - I had post it notes stuck inside the battery flap

[forest edge]

lol

funny how true that was

[neon hawk]

https://preview.redd.it/my-roombas-name-is-lightning-mcclean-v0-vntvyl0y500d1.jpeg?auto=webp&s=e4bdc8127545b0490d3fb126cb425b79972fb795

[winged obsidian]

And now all those shows are somewhere on YouTube.

I have never figured out who uploads them, why, or where they get them. The answer no doubt is somehow profit.

[iron granite]

And this brings us to today's sponsor: NordVPN!

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/roomba-bye-byeeee-ok-gif-23060841

[static schooner]

The beach is an all-you-can-eat buffet for the Roomba

[hidden wyvern]

I tried to get AI to generate the famous tribble scene but with roombas

Didn't work, but the result is interesting

[solar zealot]

super happy that i got it

[static schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/finger-sausage-doigts-saucisses-fingers-sausages-main-saucisse-finger-food-gif-27441110

[forest edge]

https://i.imgflip.com/4rvy76.jpg

[static schooner]

At least the solar storm gives us some pretty colors before it destroys us all.

[solar zealot]

Amazon raised the prices on Eaton usvs

[forest edge]

I find it annoying that everyone assumes every call is made from a cell phone anymore. as if landlines don't exsist

it's not just from general businesses either i have had medical offices do the same which is really dangerous imo

[glacial knot]

landlines? Is this the 90s 😂
Though what assumption about phones do they make that doesn't work on landlines? 🤔

[forest edge]

texting

you talk to someone, they assume your on a cell and then they try texting you later and there is no kickback letting the person know the text didn't go through

[glacial knot]

Huh, my parent's landline supported SMS. though I don't know if it's builtin to DECT or something proprietary

[forest edge]

i have never seen that

most I seen was BT connection to pass calls through

[glacial knot]

Never tried to write any from it though. But receiving worked
These days everything's VOIP here either way, and the local router would have it in the web interface

[forest edge]

with the exception of at&t landlines here are voip as well. but still no sms ability i am aware of

[solar zealot]

I wonder why people wouldn't want a landline anymore

It's literally free

[forest edge]

it was never free here but it was very cheap

[solar zealot]

Here they tend to bundle it with the internet service which isn't really legal but they still do it

I think it's 3 number included and additional ones are pretty much free

[glacial knot]

I just don't want to bother with migrating a number
And have no use for a number that makes it harder to reach me

[primal laurel]

because nobody uses it

[glacial knot]

could be fun to play with SIP and a VPN to use it from my phone while I travel though 🤔

[solar zealot]

Even if you don't intend to call a lot of people
It's a great device to have in an emergency

physical buttons, a defined location where to find it

[static schooner]

I used to have a landline in my last house that I just had forwarded to my cellphone. Then I decided that was silly 🙂

[primal laurel]

last time my grandparents used it was something like 15 years ago. Now that's saying something lol

[glacial knot]

if I used my landline number, I'd just use the app though D:
way too lazy to setup a DECT phone

My parents still use theirs because that number has been in use for 2 decades
And it's a 4 digit one^^

[solar zealot]

I kinda use mine for most things as it's effectively free calling to most businesses

[glacial knot]

A bit more than 25 years at this point o.0

got free calling from the cellphone

[solar zealot]

Aint free on a mobile one

Kinda weird that it isnt

[glacial knot]

is for me 🤷
though mostly because I just use the corp number that has EU wide free calling

[static schooner]

I wonder if you still have to sign up for long-distance service on a landline ...

[solar zealot]

Well yes there are contracts that allow that, but realistically it makes no sense that this isn't the norm

[glacial knot]

yea, with VOIP everywhere they should really stop pretending that calling and SMS should be billed

[static schooner]

that's one giant mindset change moving to cellphones - nobody cares what area code you're using or where you're calling

[solar zealot]

Like you already pay for the access and a data cap

[glacial knot]

No data cap either 🎉

[solar zealot]

Those contracts sadly tend to be scams around here

Like it's either capped to a daily limit or if you actually use it to large extends they simply terminate the contract

[glacial knot]

yea, it's the top spec Vodafone corp volume contract^^

[primal laurel]

no way im going to use a corp phone to do anything personal

[solar zealot]

Using your own devices to do corpo stuff is far worse id think

[forest edge]

this is crazy easy and done automatically by the service to switch too

[glacial knot]

🤷 I'm fine with using a phone that has a corp profile
The only thing the OS allows control over outside the corp profile is the full device wipe

[forest edge]

i've had the same landline number hosted by like 3 diffrent providers my whole life

[glacial knot]

still requires me to know it and tell them 🤷

[forest edge]

to know your own number?

[solar zealot]

Without one, how do you guys even send a fax to your gov

Oh wait that's a German thing

[glacial knot]

I never sent a Fax D:

[glacial knot]

yea

[forest edge]

it's an additional fee, yes

even for voip

which is dumb lol

[solar zealot]

Yes the manual switching labor of fiber

[glacial knot]

gotta point that flashlight at the right direction

[static schooner]

Feels like a junk fee that they can only charge until the government calls them on their bullshit

[forest edge]

i'm not so sure that is the case. the last time I had swapped my modem out they screwed up my phone part and I had to talk to a completely separate department to get that fixed and the dude was telling me there was all kinds of government restrictions when it came to the phone

I don't know what is bs and what isn't but it would make some sense for the government to use a fee as a means of gathering a list of what locations can make international calls etc

https://youtube.com/shorts/CVlnY2G-3TI?si=memva4LlXbMHKtFM

[clear ferry]

Just be like me, get work to pay for phone and laptop, don't run any corp software on any of them and treat both as personal devices

[clear ferry]

And that is the reason why I'm never doing MDM, random guy in Bangalore hits the wrong button and wipes my whole phone

[glacial knot]

🤷 pracitce a proper backup routine and it doesn't matter

[clear ferry]

I can use company email by locking edge on Android with a pin

Problem solved

[glacial knot]

We do hardware attestation and onboarding with USB HSM

Though I could write code in the phone if I chose to do so

[clear ferry]

I've seen people program python on an ipad on a plane

Without an external keyboard

[forest edge]

and not get sick?

i can't even read an article on my phone while in the passenger seat of a car for very long

[clear ferry]

I've literally read dozens of books on my phone

[forest edge]

while moving?

reading small print while moving is the only time i get motion sickness

[clear ferry]

Yes

In planes, cars, trains, boats

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/hansh-teledu-s4c-cymraeg-cymru-gif-9075317

[solar zealot]

It probably relates to how used you are to it

[clear ferry]

You are right, Sonomo has been outside his state at least once

https://tenor.com/view/padme-gif-24474700

[forest edge]

you not watch that british video i posted a week back about how us going from state to state is the same as you going from country to country?

[real frigate]

Guilty... I use Working Copy a lot on my phone and iPad all the time. lol

[forest edge]

who knows.. i may have actually traveled further than you if it was broken down lol

[static schooner]

As someone who doesn't get motion sick, it drives me nuts when my passenger is unable to help navigate because they can't read anything. I mean, I get it, but it's frustrating

[clear ferry]

Probably not, I've travelled 7800km just the last two weeks

[forest edge]

in 2024? i didn't think people still bought gas station maps

[clear ferry]

I just yell "hey Google, drive to XYZ"

[static schooner]

I didn't say "gas station maps". Google searches, other stuff better done with map apps on the phone

it's certainly gotten better with car integration, but it's still helpful for non-drivers to be able to look for things when in an unfamiliar area

[clear ferry]

Yes, my wife is an excellent co pilot

[forest edge]

i think motion sickness is hard to escape with age

[clear ferry]

Especially when driving abroad

[forest edge]

I jut wish more doctors would tell us about the "hard switches" that occur at certian ages when we were still younger

[clear ferry]

Can't say I've met one yet

[solar zealot]

Unhelpful front seaters are better than those that comment on your driving

There kinda is nothing worse than this

[static schooner]

well, then you get to comment on their walking 😉

[solar zealot]

[orchid rose]

https://fxtwitter.com/OpenAI/status/1790072174117613963

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-evil-one-billion-dollars-haha-money-gif-16679435

and it will only cost you...

[orchid rose]

Some of the demos showcasing how it works in realtime are quite impressive

[real frigate]

Do what I do... find a really twisty road, drive it really fast and never give them the opportunity to do anything but scream and hold on to the "oh shit" bar. Works every time 😄

[solar zealot]

It's much less scary on front wheel drive cars

There ain't a whole lot that can go wrong

[real frigate]

You haven't driven with me. lol

[primal laurel]

true. But there's always a large difference between tech demos and the real world (remember Devin)

[real frigate]

I tend to have zero fear when I drive AND I push my front wheel drive to the limit.

[forest edge]

what does that mean? front wheel drive to the limit?

[dusky plank]

https://tenor.com/view/broom-vroom-mums-car-gif-8603048

[forest edge]

just below it breaking off and driving away itself?

[real frigate]

I chew through tires at an alarming rate. lol

[forest edge]

lol front wheel drive burn out

comical

[real frigate]

Typical cars get what, 20K miles+ per set of tires? I typically go 7K-10K during spring and summer lol

[forest edge]

front wheel drive cars are scary especially with ABS

the front heats up faster and more and will tend make braking even harder

[real frigate]

I typically turn my traction control off. Can't control ABS though 😦

That's what drilled and slotted rotors are for

Along with "true" ceramic pads.

Plus, I rarely actually use my brakes... I'll use engine braking first unless I absolutely need to use my brakes.

[static schooner]

Deploy anchor!

or...parachute

[lone dagger]

I miss having a stick shift specifically for this sometimes.

As an educated mechanic, this is technically what you are supposed to do. In theory, you wouldn't be following too close to someone to need to slam on your brakes. In practice...well....you know.

[real frigate]

That usually applies. But not when you are driving in a Mini group. Because of where we normally drive where there's a lot of blind curves and such, you want to be close enough to the car in front of you so that you don't lose sight of it around a curve. So, most of us that are very experienced will typically be about a 1-3 feet behind the car in front of us... think of it like drafting.

[static schooner]

margin of error: zero

[real frigate]

I pull it off with an automatic in "manual" mode. Mini specifically designed the transmissions and ECUs to allow for a more "stick shift" like experience.

The ONLY thing that sucks is that I can't drop into 2nd gear if I'm above 48mph.

[lone dagger]

I drive in 3rd in my automatic if I am in the city (2500-3000rpm is optimum fuel usage) and up into Drive when on the highway. My husband rarely does the same. 🤣

Our traction control light recently came on too and I am like psh whatever like I need you anyway.....

[real frigate]

lol yeah... I've had passengers who scream at me when I'm pulling 7500RPM in 2nd gear around a curve. I just sort of laugh at them.

[clever mortar]

One of the first things I do in any new car is read up on the power curves of the engine so I can understand what the most fun RPM range is

[lone dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-homer-simpson-nerd-yelling-insult-gif-7884166

[clever mortar]

Things get more complex with a turbo, since they don't usually account for that

[real frigate]

(or put a Stage1/Stage2 in it just to really have fun with it)

[clever mortar]

I haven't yet fully explored sport mode in my new car

[real frigate]

Ugh... BMW's docs on the twin tubro B48 engines are a JOKE. No explanation of power ramps or anything.

[real frigate]

What did you get?

[static schooner]

I had that light pop on in my last car in the always in the same places and the car manual basically said "maybe you should slow down??"

[clear ferry]

The XC90 with its hybrid design is actually quite rubbish in winter when it comes to sleet, I was driving up a windy mountain and had to turn off traction control to get around corners safely, 320bhp in front and 90bhp in the rear doesn't really cooperate properly, even if it is really good at winter, but sleet up this mountain was not great

[real frigate]

F that... lol go faster and power out of the curve... hahaha

[clever mortar]

Skoda Superb estate

197 hp TDi

Even in non sport mode it's got quite a lot of go, as I've accidentally found a few times

[real frigate]

Ooohhhh that's pretty!

[clear ferry]

What's the 0-100 on that engine?

6-7?

[real frigate]

On the B48?

[clear ferry]

7.3 on the superb it seems

Would have expected less since it is quite light actually

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/mini-car-parade-parade-cars-john-cooper-works-gif-17009375

[real frigate]

Psh... they're all going in a straight line!

Although, love the Gen2s though... except for the craptastic N14 engines...

[forest edge]

I use to like going fast in boxes but then I bought a motorcycle

[real frigate]

lol I'm not allowed to have a motorcycle. I've been told in no uncertain terms that I will end up with my face on a milk carton if I do.

[forest edge]

road sign you mean lul

[real frigate]

Eh, side of a mountain... road sign... take your pick.

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/drop-dead-fred-phew-cult-classics-gif-11023840

[real frigate]

My problem is that I would drive it like I drive my Mini

[clear ferry]

I thought about a motorcycle, then I remember, I stopped being suicidal

[forest edge]

bad drivers in norway?

[clear ferry]

no, it's just statistically a horrid mode of transportation

[real frigate]

Yeah, fair.

[forest edge]

I wouldn't ride a bike where it's freezing 90% of the time regardless lol

[real frigate]

🤣

[clear ferry]

If I want to feel the wind I'll just roll down the windows of the XC90 and pass you by

https://tenor.com/bxL0L.gif

[forest edge]

in the scenarios where you are not the one doing dumb stuff, motorcycles can actually avoid many accidents pretty easily

some you are sol but with good awareness I have dodged many fender benders lol

[neon hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/motorcycle-moto-charlie-brown-harley-rider-gif-5394622

i despise the motorbikes in my area - driving slowly down my street all the time revving their engines hard so it angers everyone and scares the pets

one day....there will be a nice puddle of oil and diesel on the road...

[forest edge]

pretty sure they call it wonka mobiles not motorbikes https://youtu.be/snB3vmY60Dk?si=7yq9wgdGQ8NQEU8E&t=47

[clever mortar]

Being diesel slows it down a bit - the petrol version goes a lot faster. Still, can't say I often need to go 0 to 60 ... more 30 to 70

[clear ferry]

Hah