the-water-cooler

[sudden forge]

Work of course still exports because fuck it why not I guess. Just isn't saving/earning money for doing so

[dire spear]

so i get paid back at 18 cents or whatever, and then i use it in winter at 8 cents

[sudden forge]

Even at weekends where we can be dumping 100kW to the grid

[dire spear]

the power company lady said most people earn money on panels and never pay a bill

[sudden forge]

Just checked. I do have export rates at home

But. I'd only be paid 4p per kWh

[dire spear]

ew

[sudden forge]

Of course I have no capacity to generate power at home anyway, but still

[primal laurel]

There have a few hours last year where after taxes and fees the price was €-0.40 / kWh

[sudden forge]

And there's no split rate for exporting what I'd imported simply offsetting my import

Nah, if I imported a unit (28.7p) then exported a unit (4p) then I just get a bill for 24.7p

Hence there being a bit more focus here on self consumption over export

[dire spear]

here if i use 100, and generate 99, my bill is for 1

the meter simply doesn't register it

and if i generate more, the meter basically goes backwards (not technically but effectively)

and then every month if you have an excess, they refund you.

[sudden forge]

We're all on digital meters that know the difference

[dire spear]

so in peak summer time with the most sun, ill get big refunds. and in the winter over night ill consume cheaper electricity.

[sudden forge]

Even if they aren't true smart meters, they don't simply roll backwards

[prisma briar]

Yea, they track both in and out separately then subtract them

[sudden forge]

Thats my point, here they don't subtract

[dire spear]

no. but as far as billing goes, they remove from the bill.

[sudden forge]

My particular provider. Will simply bill me 28p per <one figure> then pay me 4p per <other figure> which still probably turns into me having an energy bill

[dire spear]

yeah see that sucks

[sudden forge]

Other providers do differently, but none of them subtract one counter straight from the other unfortunately

[dire spear]

net metering removes everything except the "net" usage

[sudden forge]

Mine is a particularly appalling rate. Some others would probably be more like 20p

[prisma briar]

The actual meters still track in and out separately

[sudden forge]

Some do flex rates on import and export and those can end up wonderful in your favour

[prisma briar]

At least where I am

[dire spear]

sure, but the way its billed is the key. here is a direct minus

[sudden forge]

A colleague for example is on flex rate, has solar, has battery and has some automation so that if the grid import rate drops below a certain figure she imports electricity from the grid to charge the battery up

And if the export rate goes beyond a certain figure, export it all

[dire spear]

i should add there is a monthly base fee of about $20. so to get truely 0 you need a surplus of $20.

[sudden forge]

And also exports everything at a certain time every morning as she's heading to work anyway

She has had negative bills

[dire spear]

see we dont have variable grid rates. its fixed by time of use

whihc can be dramatically in your favour

[sudden forge]

But such rates like hers definitely aren't the norm

[primal laurel]

We have this. But summed over the entire year. So you can cancel your summer production against your winter consumption. Crazy profitable

[sudden forge]

Plans like that also exist

[dire spear]

cause in summer during the day you use almost no power and generate very expensive power

[dire spear]

yeah. they pay out monthly here, but the result is the same. get paid $50 in june. then take that money and pay for december

and since in december you mostly need heat power overnight when the power is cheapest, you can end up well on top

even with a moddest 5kw panel setup

5kw is most common here. 10kw is the max allowed

10kw would not fit on my roof

[sudden forge]

But basically the English export rates not being that favourable is why we kinda bias to avoiding exporting power in first place

[dire spear]

5 kw is perfect. my roof is unobstructed facing south east

[dire spear]

yes you got a poor deal all around there it seems

[sudden forge]

Yeah. It's why we do things like okay, solar overproduction? Kick on the water heater even though we don't need it hot right now, because that's less I have to heat it this evening

Using that excess to try and decrease what I have to import later would be more beneficial

[dire spear]

5kw panel kits here range form 6k to 10k. so over 10 year interest free loan, you pay $60-$80 a month and have a roughly $0 electric bill

[sudden forge]

And you get stuff like one guy I know, his heat pump is set to heat the house to 20c at 5pm, target just 15c during the day. Unless solar is high, in which case it does try and warm to 20c just so again later on the heat pump is working with a warmer house in first place and should import less.

And battery storage becomes particularly valuable

[dire spear]

smart thermostats are sooo useful. they dont seem it at first. but dropping areas at times to 15c when you dont need it is good money.

[primal laurel]

That only works if you have symmetric billing. So import and export cost the same

We definitely don't have that

[sudden forge]

Built my own setup for that

[dire spear]

import is usually LESS than export though 🙂

[dire spear]

yeah doesnt matter how you do it. in the old days youd wander around the house adjusting things.

but just as long as you arent heating and cooling rooms you arent in

[sudden forge]

My house was very non smart heated before

Ie, didn't even have a manual thermostat

I had to go press a button on the boiler if I was cold

Then go and press a button on the boiler when I was too hot

[dire spear]

mine was bad. just radiators all connected. so you keep you bed warm, the whole house had to be 20c

wasteful

anyhow. new insulation, new heat pump, and solar is my goal to have by next year.

[sudden forge]

Now, I have temp sensor in 3 zones, actuators on radiators in 2 of those zones (one zone is the bypass and basically can't be shut off if the house is to stick to building code unfortunately)

And a relay to kick the boiler on when a zone demands heat

[prisma briar]

You don't want all your zones closed anyways, you'll burn out your blower

[dire spear]

the panel set says i can generate on average 25kwh/day summer - more than double what i need. and then 10 in the winter... about 1/3 of what i will need.

[sudden forge]

Radiators here. Don't get vented hot air heating

[prisma briar]

Ah

[dire spear]

my new heat pump will have 5 runs. which i hope to control separately with home assistant

[prisma briar]

Yea, that would be the kind of setup that has a boiler, lol

[sudden forge]

But in a radiator system, 1 radiator does have to stay open.

And code hasn't been amended to allow that openness to be determined smartly

[prisma briar]

I have three heads on mine all hooked to HA.

Plus a window unit plus my central heat

[dire spear]

mine will be forced air unit. so they will be valves on the plenum

pretty small unit to begin with. but ever small amount helps on the cold days

[sudden forge]

I'm not allowed to put all 4 radiators under smart control (one is in a bathroom so just has a plain thermostatic valve on it anyway and isn't smart) and just intelligently program 1 radiator to stay open as a load shedder for the boilers cool down run, law requires 1 of the radiators is just hardlined as always open

[prisma briar]

The cost between forced air and minisplit heads made it make no sense to get a central A/C here.

[dire spear]

force air is cheaper

[sudden forge]

And unfortunately the one they chose to be always open is the lounge, I wish it was the bathroom one

[dire spear]

than heads

much cheaper

[sudden forge]

Unfortunately means if I am heating the bedroom, the lounge is also always being heated 😦

But even so, just having set points involved to operate the boiler at all has already massively cut my gas usage

[dire spear]

for the shed a wall head makes more sense cause its one room

[prisma briar]

I would've needed to pull out my furnace to replace the A/C exchanger in it, it was all kitted for R-22.

And even if I figured out how to do all that I can't possibly do that by myself.

[dire spear]

yeah retrofitting old systems is a different matter. for me this is all new and i can run hoses

[sudden forge]

So here we have heat pumps that can retrofit for a boiler and run the radiators. Or youd go split heads

Because we of course don't have the forced air ducts in building in first place...

[prisma briar]

I quite like split heads, personally.

[sudden forge]

Retrofit for boiler is more common

Especially if you have a hot water tank already as they can even do that

[prisma briar]

Nobody has boilers where I am, they're all gas air furnaces.

[dire spear]

the heads add $500 per head. which is a lot for my small house

[prisma briar]

I paid $3300 for a 3 ton unit with three heads, all pre-charged lines with quick connectors on them

[static schooner]

I wish that mini-splits didn't involve a giant plastic thing stuck to the wall

[dire spear]

yes. a lot. the ducted unit is $1800usd

😛

[prisma briar]

It's also only 2 ton and needs you to do the charging

[static schooner]

And that they often use IR remotes

[prisma briar]

I could've got mine for probably $750 less if I didn't go for a pre-charged one

[dire spear]

? no. no it does not. pre charges

and i only need 1 ton really

the 3 ton ducted is only a few hundred more

[prisma briar]

Mine have a UART interface on them, I put esp8266's in them

[sudden forge]

The problem we do have is that a lot of the boiler retrofit type heat pumps run their working fluid at about 60-65c, whereas a gas boiler usually runs it at 80c. Some newer ones are closing this gap down (Samsung for example have a unit that can do 90c). But assuming you don't have such a unit, the liquid in your radiator is now cooler than it was, heat exchanges between radiator and room less effectively...

[dire spear]

these are usb. but same. you just use an esp usb thingy

you dont need the remote

[prisma briar]

Mine are UART over a fucky USB connector

[sudden forge]

What is basically happening is some folk are replacing their boiler with a heat pump but finding you suddenly need to upgrade to larger radiators too or have a slower warming space

[dire spear]

ooh. so wired, not wifi

[prisma briar]

They came with a wireless dongle that went in them but it's UART

[sudden forge]

Tbf, esphome can also adapt IR air conditioners to WiFi/ethernet

[dire spear]

oh

sounds the same

then

[dire spear]

yes. thats what people do with the senvilles (midea, mr cool, all the same unit)

[sudden forge]

I have one of those crummy dangle a hose out the window portable ACs I'm probably gonna rig up with smarts this year

[prisma briar]

https://github.com/dudanov/iot-uni-dongle I made a few of these to control my unit

[dire spear]

yup thats the one i was looking at

the ducted verison has a different wired thermostat actually

[sudden forge]

I have a monstrosity of a piece of insulation foam I use to seal the window frame while using the air con

[prisma briar]

It's serial over a non-standard USB-ish connector, notice the keying on the plastic on the USB port. I modified normal USB connectors to make mine.

[dire spear]

my ac sits in the window. cant wait to get rid of it

[dire spear]

hmm

[sudden forge]

Honestly I hate how badly this AC works that gutting all the electronics to make them operate my own way has even been on the cards

[dire spear]

this one is wired. but im not sure how you can talk to it

[sudden forge]

Bust out a scope or logic analyser and spy on its goings on

[dire spear]

if kinda be treating it like a dumb system though. with valves. so maybe i would not need to do much other than trick the interface on it.

not alot of people do ducted so i dont think i saw any existing use with home assistant

[sudden forge]

All I did for my boiler was stick a dry contact relay on its previously wire bridged thermostat interface

Might be something similarly dumb

[prisma briar]

These are the wall units mine came with, they control my units over IR the same as the remote does. I don't actually use any of them though. I use the remotes or home assistant.

[dire spear]

boilers are ultra dumb. thats pretty easy. in this case i still need to control the modes and fan speeds etc

[sudden forge]

That's it. Default it just expected a bimetallic strip wired to its inputs, it had a wire link just forcing it to always on, and now it's a Shelly 1 reflashed with esphome

[dire spear]

oh neat. senville doesnt have those i dont think

[dire spear]

senville has their own dongle. so it not a guarantee all midea stuff works

[prisma briar]

Our units are made by the same parent company, my remote might just work on yours

That IoT dongle works across a bunch of different brands too

[dire spear]

anyhow. it will be fun whenever i finally buy the thing ha

[sudden forge]

No way to force my boiler to run if I want manual heat demand but I might add that

[dire spear]

home depot has rheem branded models on sale too. they seems to also just be midea. they didnt sell (for $3000, gee i wonder why) so they are now on blowout

[sudden forge]

More likely to add that on the radiators though, as they already indicate the boiler needs to turn on

[dire spear]

right now i just have resistive convectors hooked to a relay with is tied to an ecobee

[prisma briar]

I had to order it and wait for it to come in but I got mine from Home Depot

[dire spear]

works fine, but wastes power

[dire spear]

not the rheem model though right? mr cool version?

[sudden forge]

Just a mains powered underfloor heating valve head I found and happened to fit a British radiator

Slapped on a sonoff R2 I reflashed with esphome

[prisma briar]

Yea. It looks like the unit comparable to what I got is a grand more than what I paid now.

[dire spear]

home depot has the PA version the same price as the senville. but if i remember right this is the "warm climate" version. the senville is for -30c. special version

[prisma briar]

I get maybe 15 days a year the MrCool isn't enough to heat my house and I still have a natural gas furnace.

[dire spear]

really

[prisma briar]

At the time I wasn't able to find any cold-climate ones in stock

[dire spear]

ahh

yeah. the warm one dies at -5f?

the cold one is -22f

[prisma briar]

Around -5f, yea. It's efficiency starts to drop around 40F though.

[dire spear]

senville has the wamr ones too, they are cheaper

they are trying to get rid of them cause of course noone in canada wants it.

[sudden forge]

I have some resistive heaters for when my living room radiator is undersized in the harshest weather or when the boiler breaks down (it did once)

[prisma briar]

Mine will switch over to a resistive heater on the outdoor radiator, too, and keep putting out some heat until about -15F, but at that point it's pretty dumb to run it instead of gas.

[sudden forge]

Though the cat is terrified of one of them

[dire spear]

i intend to leave the resistive as emergency backup. kick in if things drop below 14 or something

[sudden forge]

Yeah that's how one of the resistive units is set up

It's always on. It's smartified in home assistant

But it's target is just pretty low

[dire spear]

my condo heat pump never died once in winter. but condo is different than a house. and i dont know if that unit has resistive backup or anythign else. i never inspected it

[prisma briar]

I put a dumb thermostat in parallel with my smart thermostat on my gas furnace and set the dumb one to 60F so it'll kick in even if HA or my smart meter does something stupid.

[dire spear]

yeah. thats what i want. for that freak day where everythign fails

(except power failure at night)

hehe

[sudden forge]

The living room electric fireplacey thing isn't smart

And likewise the mini oil one that keeps my legs warm in the study is in lean over distance to operate

[dire spear]

i want the solar to have a manual switchover to off grid mode too if there is a daytime power outage

[sudden forge]

Solar being able to enter island mode is a rarer feature here

[prisma briar]

My furnace blower pulls about 100W while running and runs at a rather low duty cycle. If I lose power I can keep the furnace running for days off of battery.

[sudden forge]

It is available if you look for it though

[dire spear]

its not allowed

[sudden forge]

It is here

[dire spear]

thats why i need to make some sort of manual swap

basically a generator type disconnect

[sudden forge]

That's what I mean, island mode disconnects from grid

[dire spear]

ahh ok

yes. thats alowed

[prisma briar]

You have to have your solar here connected to the grid per code, it's obnoxious.

Killed my plans for a battery solar system that was off-grid.

[dire spear]

what i mean is its not allwoed to feed solar tot he meter when the grid is down.

[sudden forge]

Yeah we can't export while the grid is down

[prisma briar]

You're just not allowed to have a solar system here that is offline

[sudden forge]

Or even keep the wires live

[dire spear]

not even with a manual swap?

i need to read into it agian.

[prisma briar]

It's a county code here

Not part of NEC

[dire spear]

i know there was some rules for it

[sudden forge]

There's a few US states and counties that have such laws preventing it

[dire spear]

i thought you were allowed to fully disconnect here.

[sudden forge]

And in many of those states you'll find those laws were lobbied for by the usual likely suspect

[dire spear]

just cant do a hybrid

anyhow. thats for later

power only fails very rarely anyway

(it used to fail a lot but they rewried the block)

[sudden forge]

Yeah grid in UK is very very reliable

[prisma briar]

I wanted to have a fully offline system and have a few circuits wired to it to do automatic switchover based off of power rates/charge times.

My power here is terrible.

[dire spear]

ahh

[prisma briar]

I've had a half-dozen multi-hour outages in the last year.

[dire spear]

thats different to what im thinking. i just want emergency backup

[prisma briar]

If I just want emergency backup I'd probably just go with grid-tied batteries and ignore the solar part

[dire spear]

fair

[prisma briar]

It wouldn't take much battery power to power the circuits I'd want to keep on for days

Mostly fridge/furnace/lights

[dire spear]

when power fails here, it is at most an hour or 2

ususally seconds

[prisma briar]

I have UPSes on everything and don't really care about seconds-long outages

[dire spear]

unless a squirrel chews a wire at niagara falls

:x

i was in LA for that one luckily

3 days the whole east had no power

[prisma briar]

It gets absurdly windy where I am, like 60+mph/95+kph, and somewhat regularly causes power issues.

[dire spear]

thats what was happening here. but they fixed the faulty areas last year.

so it should be solid now

[prisma briar]

They're working on it here but I think their plan still has 4 or 5 years left on it

[dire spear]

in toronto downtown we get frozen water mains once in a while and they have to shut down power to fix them often

[prisma briar]

I actually have a scheduled outage today to work on that, supposed to be right now.

[dire spear]

once at my office a car hit the hydro pole outside. that was.... fun

never can predict these things

hahah

[prisma briar]

We had a car veer off the road and run into a cluster of transformer boxes feeding my neighborhood once

Power was out for about a day

[dire spear]

i wanted a wood stove for emergencies, but they turn out to be more trouble than they are wort\h

[prisma briar]

I had a wood stove growing up, they're messy, you have to get them cleaned out regularly, you need to check them for obstructions

They make your house smell like smoke

They also do bans on burning wood fireplaces when pollution levels get too high

So if I had one I could only use it part of the year

[orchid rose]

wood fire smell is so nice though

[dire spear]

wood is banned unless its a new reburning stove here now.

but those are thousands of dollars

[prisma briar]

I think you can still burn cleaner burning pellets here too

But my fireplace just takes wood logs

(also NG)

I've been considering removing the inner fireplace and just walling over it

[dire spear]

meh

turn it into a pizza oven

mm

ha

[prisma briar]

I wouldn't mind mine but the hearth is just a concrete slab and mantle looks like a toddler flipped mortar on a bunch of rocks.

[dire spear]

ha

[prisma briar]

It just looks really crappy

[sudden forge]

Ooft. Since I moved to this house 4 years ago I'm in single digits for number of outages. And all but one were under 10 seconds

One was 8 hours, some equipment went pop in a substation

[last cedar]

I run pellets atm, looking at adding an air/ water heat pump and keeping it (when it gets really cold I can use pellets instead of resistive heat, and also have a backup if it fails)

[primal laurel]

Guess where they burn wood

[last cedar]

Is there a similar diagram for Norway, Sweden etc? Very interesting

[prisma briar]

Denver is in a valley and we'd get these weather inversions over it where the hot air from the city would be trapped by a blanket of cold air and pollution would just hang there for days, it'd get awful.

I remember when they banned wood burning, that got a lot better.

It's been a long time since I woke up to a smoky hazy polluted day, now that I think about it.

[dire spear]

where i lived in bc was a bowl (2 rivers) and being made of sand, it would get dusty and just have a haze of dust

so not even industrial polution, just natually bad air

[prisma briar]

I've been to the sand dunes out here during wind storms before, that sucks

Honestly everything about sand dunes suck.

Such a pita to walk anywhere.

Hmm, noticing that my chargers all have the same anomaly with this 12ah 18v battery where they won't start charging it until it's basically dead.

[dire spear]

what voltage is dead. maybe they think its a 12v battery?

[prisma briar]

They're tool batteries and tool battery chargers, everything is '18v'

This is 3x the size of my next battery though and uses 21600's instead of 18650's, I think the different cells are keeping voltage higher longer

idk what voltage they consider dead

The chargers should keep them at 100% though, they should charge anywhere below that

[dire spear]

ah

[prisma briar]

It's at 17.5v right now with no load

But the indicator on the battery shows 1/4 and I'm pretty sure it's near dead

=/ the power meter on my larger inverter reads the capacity right too

[dire spear]

so the bms is preventing charge?

weird

[prisma briar]

Two of my chargers don't detect anything when I plug it in, the other says it's full. wtf.

[primal laurel]

Think so yeah. I just googled it

[sudden forge]

Thats about 3.5V per cell, so with the taper of most lithium cells, about 1/4 seems right

[ocean oar]

@prisma briar Christchurch (biggest city in the South Island of NZ) used to have that problem. Was really gross back in the era of HPS street lights; if you were driving into the city at night in winter, you'd just see this orange-backlit blanket hanging over the city. Similarly, they started to ban open fireplaces and it's improved dramatically.

Of course, the 2012 earthquake pretty much fucked up any building that had a brick chimney, so a lot of them were gotten rid of that way...

[winged obsidian]

Solved for me by not having any battery operated tools. All corded for me. Vulnerable to power outages of course, but manageable.

[prisma briar]

Some of the stuff I have makes no sense to wire, like flashlights and a car jumper and a couple portable inverters

[winged obsidian]

I do have a jumper battery in my car.

[prisma briar]

I like the battery powered shopvac too

Little 1 gal battery powered wet/dry vac

[winged obsidian]

My full sized Fein would not work so well on battery

[prisma briar]

I have a 20 gal wired shopvac that pulls like 12A, there's not really any comparison between it and the battery one in terms of suction and capacity, but I don't need that to clean my car

[dire spear]

corded seems good until you try to use them to build a shed 80 ft from your house. :x

so i have succumbed to cordless

[ocean oar]

Me too. I've got an outdoor GFCI outlet for those times, but for most things I can have done the job and packed up again in less time than it would have taken to roll out the long-ass extension lead.

For some kinds of tools, high-end battery tools are on par with (if not exceeding) the power output of mains ones, really the non-infinite runtime is the only disadvantage

Of course if you own enough batteries...

Actually I'll also grant that the weight of the battery tools can suck sometimes

The DeWalt 9Ah (54V/60V "flexvolt") batteries I use on my angle grinder are ~1.5kg each

15× 21700 cells in those 😎

[dire spear]

you dont realise how limiting 1500w is until try a cordless palm router. "oh, you mean thats how they are supposed to cut?"

great for zipping out window and door openings in OSB sheathing

having a cord for that would be a disaster

same with demo work with a sawzall

[prisma briar]

It appears this battery is actually defective now, it won't charge at all anymore.

Cool, got like 5 charge cycles off of that.

At least it's under warranty still

https://storables.com/articles/how-to-reset-ryobi-18v-battery/

wtf kind of advice is "short circuit the terminals on the battery to reset it"

[tidal bronze]

Isn't that the right way to reset anything?

[dire spear]

that could trigger the BMS to recalibrate

[shy comet]

@tidal bronze did someone do the rain dance? did not expect rain today 😂

[tidal bronze]

Dude I am done with rain shit. What is this?

[shy comet]

yea it annoying....almost as annoying as having all my light switches go out this morning...all at the same time too ...power is fine and so is the circuit

[tidal bronze]

That's no fun. What type?

[static schooner]

Poor Californians complaining about rain 🙂

[shy comet]

surprisingly 4 zwave switches all different models and even seems like 1 normal light....i gotta assume its a rodent at this point sicne it happened at the same time

[tidal bronze]

I don't hear any warnings to "drive slow it's raining". I miss that

[static schooner]

My landscape drains are no longer draining to the street and I keep putting off snaking them out

I put it off and it rains and I put it off and it rains

[tidal bronze]

That's strange. Believe it or not, I restarted my ZW stick for the very 1st time last week. Since I started running it.

[shy comet]

ohwow

[tidal bronze]

Probably 7 or 8 years. Got me worried.

[dire spear]

send the rain to etheropia

[tidal bronze]

ZW is the only thing I don't ever worry about but some of the backyard lights were not responding.

[shy comet]

yea i just restored one of my backyard lights replacing an outlet in hopes to fix my issue lol

its so weird having no lights but power lol

[tidal bronze]

lol. I tried PING and it worked a few times but got really annoying so restarted that VM after unplug-plug z-stick.

I would give up all this stuff if my ZW ever failed.

No going back.

[forest edge]

mechanical switch.. 100% every time

[tidal bronze]

The ZW wall allways work but who got time to "handle" switches?

[forest edge]

you growing old too fast to flip one?

[tidal bronze]

Haven't flipped one in more than a decade

Anyways don't know what switch does what in the house.

[forest edge]

lol

[shy comet]

just got a severe thunderstorm alert

[tidal bronze]

Yep, it's pretty dark outside.

Pumping out some 90bpm ambient and my neighbor texts me "don't change the playlist" 🙂

[tidal bronze]

Rodent? How?

[forest edge]

at least you won't be alone. https://i.pinimg.com/originals/9f/b8/1f/9fb81faaed8fbe6864dedbf26c41e07e.gif

[shy comet]

only thing i can think of something chewed on the wire that the 4 light switches share since all the outlets are fine

i highly doubt all 4 and teh dumb switch died at the same time

[static schooner]

a rodent chewed through the wires for your wireless switches

[tidal bronze]

lol

[shy comet]

lol theres no power coming to the switches i checked with a multimeter

[static schooner]

roasted rodent

[tidal bronze]

You mean chewed the control wire? I don't think they ever go through HV lines

[shy comet]

im not sure at this point but the light i have behind a dumb switch is one of htose motion sensing lights and it not coming on either even when I put it in test mode

[tidal bronze]

I am never alone when I open up the Vega's and QSC's guess running about 60% on 3 x 1200w amps. 🙂

[umbral cliff]

Rodents will find their way through mains
And will get fried as a result

[shy comet]

even had an electriciann tell me to check all the GFCI outlets and reset them...no dice lol

what i dont get is why the light switches and not any of the outlets

[tidal bronze]

Did you pull the switches out? Are they live?

[shy comet]

i pulled out one and used a multimeter while it was stil hot but no power

[tidal bronze]

Hmm... but the circuit itself is good?

[shy comet]

yup, even flipped them all just to be sure lol

things that are o teh same circuit still have power

wow this is some storm...hardly ever hear thunder lol

[tidal bronze]

So you pulled out all the switches in the 4way circuit and none live?

[umbral cliff]

Trace back the wires to find out where the power stops?

[shy comet]

no only one at this point

[shy comet]

that goes beyond my abilities lol

[tidal bronze]

Pull all out, get a probe tester and see if all are live

You don't have to turn off the breaker

[shy comet]

wow its haling!

[tidal bronze]

Dude it's still Sunny here

[shy comet]

lol give it 15 minutes 😂

[tidal bronze]

LMAO

[shy comet]

i have a feeling they are all dead, got an electrician coming tomorrow

[static schooner]

weird stuff like that usually happens with a loose splice in a daisy-chained series

[shy comet]

the one with teh dumb switch is a give away i think

ive seen zwave devices die and those always happen upon sending or receiving its last command

[shy comet]

thats the other thing i thought it might be....electrical is a bit odd here

[tidal bronze]

They are actually not dumb. They are pull low 5v switches 🙂

[shy comet]

lol

[tidal bronze]

Gotta get back to my beef stew with prunes. BRB

[tidal bronze]

Wife just sent me a video, it's crazy hail in Encino 🙂

Dude I hear thunder. Whaaaaat?

[shy comet]

It's almost like snow

Yup it's been rolling

[tidal bronze]

Just started here.

I need to double up on this wine.

[static schooner]

maybe hide under the bed

[tidal bronze]

I might. This is super exciting.

[shy comet]

Been years since I've seen a storm like this

[tidal bronze]

I wish it hailed here 😦

[shy comet]

So this is what it's like to have actual seasons

[ocean oar]

We get a significant dump of hail once a year or so around here. Usually (fortunately) nothing more than about marble sized, doesn't damage anything

[tidal bronze]

I finally got an umbrealla from Costco yesterday LMAO

[ocean oar]

This was in December

[tidal bronze]

@forest edge all the cows are fed?

[shy comet]

rain wasnt even on the forecast today lol

[ocean oar]

^^ temperature in our glasshouse dropped ~22°C in ~70 minutes

[tidal bronze]

Dude, 2 or 3 speckles of hail is all I got. 😦

[shy comet]

we had a tiny bit and it stopped then it picked up 10 min later

[tidal bronze]

Wife's in Encino, was a boat load

[shy comet]

yea it was crazy for like 30 min here in Reseda too

[tidal bronze]

What's that in freedom units?

Huh?

Is this dude wearing IP67 headphones?

[dire spear]

awww, poor baby.

😛

[ocean oar]

'bout 40°F

32°C it started at is ~90°F, dropped to ~50°F

[dire spear]

i thought it was summer down there right now

[tame plume]

Hi folks. My first post. I'm looking forward to learning a lot here. I'm totally, TOTALLY new to home automation. I have NEVER even connected a TV to the internet.

[static schooner]

you will learn much about raccoons in this channel

not so much about automating them, though

[prisma briar]

I wonder if musk has made an RC raccoon with his neuralink yet

[ocean oar]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00REXOWW8/

If they can use a badger, surely a raccoon...

[tidal bronze]

I am yet to plug mine in. Welcome

[tidal bronze]

You hatin on raccoons?

[tame plume]

Yeah. I'm tending toward privacy and been reading about HA, which has been heartening.

[tidal bronze]

Oh boy, I am all about sharing everything and anything with google and facebook.

[tame plume]

Don't forget Elon.

[tidal bronze]

Only thing I share with him is some broken-ass CT data

but I do like to share

BTW Elon ain't the dude anymore. It's all about Jeff

[tame plume]

True. Read that yesterday I think. The once and future king, perhaps?

[tidal bronze]

Elon needs to learn, love and worship California if he wants to be the king and remain the king. If not it's just a slippery slope.

[dire spear]

he only worships money

[tidal bronze]

AKA California.

[dire spear]

"omg deleware makes me obey laws! im goin to texas"

[tidal bronze]

70% of his customer base is here.

[dire spear]

sounds about right

[tidal bronze]

make us unhappy and............

[dire spear]

hasnt he made everyone unhappy enough all ready?

[tidal bronze]

Talking too much about TX eh? 🙂

[dire spear]

down the drain hole

[tidal bronze]

Power of TikTok

[dire spear]

at some point he will be removed (as a public facing person) from tesla.

[tidal bronze]

I could care less. Liquidated my stuff when he started talking about TX. Just a story now.

[dire spear]

sure. i dont care about stock, im more interested in the company actually moving forward

[tidal bronze]

For me it's all about stocks

Sadly it drags down most of the tech ETF's

[dire spear]

i cant fit enough solar on my shed roof 😦

haha

[tidal bronze]

lol

You need 1 more panel and it would fit

[dire spear]

meh. not gonna bother. just need me a big ol extension cord from the house that can cary 100 amps.

[tidal bronze]

What are you really trying to do here? Bakyard shed?

I see all these renderings you dreaming or actually going to do something?

[dire spear]

it is very real

i wired it up in nov. now i need to fishing the power run to the house, and siding

first picture it what it should look like when done

(wood strip siding)

getting power form the house is bothersome because there is a massive tree in between and there is 12" of soil.

the gravel in the pic of the door is the bedrock.

(also can see in the open floor pic, thats the rock)

[tidal bronze]

Why not run a drop from the house.

[dire spear]

above ground on a pole? that is apparently not allowed

[tidal bronze]

In your property do as you please

[dire spear]

ha. i wish

[tidal bronze]

or can you?

[dire spear]

they measure blades of grass here

[tidal bronze]

I forgot you are Australia V2

[dire spear]

anyhow. it seems (so far) my only proper option is conduit on the rock, encased under 4" concrete, detouring around the tree base

almost 100 ft of wire.

not cheap

[tidal bronze]

Solar + Battery is always there but you need to have a drop one way or the other specially becuase you are in Toronto 🙂

[dire spear]

yeah. solar is cool, but not really sufficient as an only solution here

[tidal bronze]

Agreed

How many solar hours do you get on average?

4 +/-

[dire spear]

oof. the kit makers say that a 5kw solar panel kit (14 panels) will give 6000-8000 kwh a year

[tidal bronze]

That's not bad at all.

I run 42 panels and planning on adding a few more.

[dire spear]

we are on the same level as southern oregon here. so we do get decent light

but in winter, youd be screwed without grid

could keep the lights on, but little else

[tidal bronze]

I hear you. I am trying to get to 0 draw in summer with 3 AC's + Pool running.

[dire spear]

math says i need up to 6000 btu on the coldest winter day to keep the shed warm. with a heat pump thats gonna be 500-800 watts

plus computers, lights, cnc mill. etc

call it 20kwh in a day

the 14 panel kit will get 5-10kwh on a winter day at best.

so 3 panels on the shed wont do anything useful

anyhow. so i need a 100 ft aluminium cable run

[tidal bronze]

14 panels, 10khh? Up there?

[dire spear]

they claim 300kwh average in winter a month

the worst days are probably near 0

and if its covered in snow its 0

but we dont get lots of snow here

ill get a system for the house hopefulyl next year.

i could just run a 30 amp generator cord for the shed, but legally you arent meant to run that continuous

can certainly do it as a temp initial solution though

outlet on house, and an inlet on shed, into the panel

30a breaker on house panel. so the 100a shed panel doesnt matter

[forest edge]

shouldn't you be rowing the boat instead of typing in here by now? lol

[solar zealot]

Gawd has Amazon search become horribly

I was looking for a bunch of HDMI switches which work for a PS5 and have auto input detection

I haven't found a single real one

So I had to go to the local tech store and buy some overpriced garbage.

[dusky plank]

you have to adapt to their algo, use a vague term of the thing you want then add some of the listed products title terms which best match your expectations. I've also experienced that you get better priced products if you just put stuff in your basket and then check related items

i really wanted a tape drive recently

i had no idea the tapes where so much $$$, not only the drives

[solar zealot]

Most stuff is wrong tagged as it seems

Before auto input select was a pretty standard feature, last ugreen one I bought had that for 10 bucks

Now you can pay 70 and still don't get that

Like as if someone would place this switch in reach of your hands

[forest edge]

most things generally stay on in some kind of standby.. auto detect would be useless

[solar zealot]

I ended up with going with Hama branded ones. Absolutely no idea what they sell behind their logo but it got the feature and it works for 30 bucks a piece

Also that there are no wired remotes to most

[gleaming crater]

Monoprice is a good source for that kinda stuff

[solar zealot]

Like do they really expect you having this plastic 20g piece not dangle around like shit xD

Maybe I shouldn't be this mad, it works and if it lasts for a while that's good enough

Last one randomly would not switch or pass through the signal if it wasn't exactly fhd

[gleaming crater]

Most cheap hdmi stuff isn’t licensed and is just pirating the spec lol

(Badly)

[solar zealot]

Tuyadmi

"It's in spec if they figure out how to print the logo on the box"™️

[gleaming crater]

Lol

[iron granite]

Is the HDMI to Gardena water hose adapter included?

[solar zealot]

No you think about the Gardena Bluetooth one

Which isn't included because 🐍

[clear ferry]

None of that raspberry pi bullshit

[forest edge]

as if we wouldn't focus on the ghost socks

[gleaming crater]

ZimaBlade is the starter personal server for cyber natives who dare to be
outlaws of this centralized cyberspace.
🤮

That marketing copy is giving me cancer

[clear ferry]

Saibærpønk

[gleaming crater]

If buying a celeron powered pc makes one a cyberspace outlaw….

https://tenor.com/view/stonks-meme-gif-16107418

[clear ferry]

Hey hey, at least it isn't a home assistant $RANDOMCOLOUR here

[primal laurel]

chinese company?

[gleaming crater]

No idea lol whatever he bought

[clear ferry]

No crowdsupply

[red rock]

ZimaBlade

sounds like some kind of excercise machine scam targeted at boomers

[glacial knot]

oh, at least one person here liked them 🤔

[solar zealot]

Atx! He is alive

They have a pretty weird production development cycle on their cube nas

I totally might buy it but from what I've seen they don't seem to have a whole lot of expertise

Also a lot of ambiguous advertising to not say false

[dapper quartz]

cyber natives

The same cringe level as in «information superhighway».

[gleaming crater]

Which senator was mixing up highways and plumbing metaphors when trying to pass internet regulations

[red rock]

lmao

so we had this "cyber expert" in the netherlands

[gleaming crater]

DId he tweet his own password?

[red rock]

who was on TV after 3 days of big banks getting DDossed

and she was on TV like, yea I just wrote this book

and I worked for the Dutch intelligence agency

and within banks there is russian and korean codes

and these DDoSes are a distraction

because there is something else going on

[gleaming crater]

Were they trying to sell more books lol

[red rock]

And then she got questions about how we can protect ourselves from this

and then she was like

yea using the smartblockchain

in the cloud

and it was the worst

[glacial knot]

block the chains!

[red rock]

but then

like

twitter exploded after that news interview

And what then happened

she started dating a big dutch guy

as in

he owns an architect agency

[gleaming crater]

If you throw a blockchain at it the banks are unhackable? neato

[red rock]

he owns a big construction company (that's doing a lot of dutch infra)

and a company that is doing the IT for more than half of municipalities

and a lot of other government projects

and then he started believing her stories

[gleaming crater]

Sounds legit

[red rock]

(he was having legal battles with his ex because he eventually said she was a russian spy)

And he completely believed her

so now he's removed from the companies by court

and he is just turning into an old guy who is just throwing a tantrum about everything

@primal laurel

[gleaming crater]

Isn't that just old people in general?

[red rock]

no this is special

[dire spear]

sounds like several members of us congress

[primal laurel]

im not old 😦 😢

[red rock]

no just mentioning you for the dutch soap

[primal laurel]

I know, jk

[gleaming crater]

https://tenor.com/view/ok-boomer-the-office-old-man-michael-scott-gif-15530652

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/fellow-hello-old-cool-gif-14738875

[gleaming crater]

lol

[gleaming crater]

He was an absurd character on 30 Rock

That whole show was absurd tho, it had so many jokes per minute it's like the sitcom version of the movie airplane

[static schooner]

What’s really crazy about 30 Rock is its sheer verbal velocity – punch lines go by so fast that even smart people may need to rewind (an industrious blogger calculated that a 2010 episode averaged 9.57 jokes per minute).

[gleaming crater]

Oh absolutely, I don't think it's possible to even catch all the jokes on a first watch

I've got this streaming channel that is just the whole show on endless loop, you can drop in at pretty much any time and it's just hitting joke after joke after joke

[static schooner]

it was a great show

Tina Fey and Amy Poehler (Parks&Rec) are unstoppable

[placid pagoda]

A silly edited XKCD from a conversation with a friend about the learning curve, but it's definitely worth it.

[primal laurel]

Buying tuya devices like

[dire spear]

never heard of tuya.

[static schooner]

You're better for it

[dire spear]

ha

[gleaming crater]

I bought a bunch of costco tuya bulbs and reflashed them, back when they were still esp8266. They've been going for many years now just fine.

[dire spear]

so they are not tuya now?

ha

[gleaming crater]

Just the hardware lol

But they got a lobotomy

[dire spear]

my shed is gonna be my first home assistant project. needs 3 inside lighting zones. one outside. motion sensor inside and outside. control of the heat pump. thats the "needs". security camera/system is secondary want.

[primal laurel]

its cloud connected chinese spyware

[dire spear]

its it really spyware though?

anyhow. i want no cloud on mine

[gleaming crater]

It's hard to beat zigbee if that's your requirement

[primal laurel]

yes it is

[gleaming crater]

Right now the only open source wifi bulbs aren't that bright of hardware

[dire spear]

doorbell cam is something i want (for the main house while im working in the shed, plus one on the shed itself). but i havent seen anything that is not some subscription nonsense like ring

[dire spear]

im more likely to go with switches i think

[gleaming crater]

in #cameras-archived reolink's only good camera is their doorbell

you can run them off poe or a DC wall wart

[dire spear]

looking at it.

[gleaming crater]

I have an amcrest doorbell and they're kinda obnoxious what it takes to de-cloud them

[forest edge]

actually a lot of reolink cameras are not that bad at all

[dire spear]

so how does it notify you on phone etc. home assistant handles that/ sends texts, etc?

[gleaming crater]

Reolink cameras are an endless source of frigate github tickets

If you have frigate you can use HA to notify you and all that but i'd ask more in #cameras-archived before they demand a racoon tax in here

[dire spear]

ha

[forest edge]

user error will be user error

[clear ferry]

@subtle pasture gotta say, I was very confused by Aruba at first, but it is a really nice ecosystem

[subtle pasture]

Oh yeah? What setup did you go with?

[clear ferry]

All of it

And all licences

and waiting for a few 6300s

The 500H is cute

but the 9004LTEs are nice

[gleaming crater]

I like that you can buy an old aruba switch and download firmware without a support contract lol

[clear ferry]

yeah, any modern HPE server too

[gleaming crater]

Coming from juniper where the stance is "pay us or fuck you" it was refreshing

[clear ferry]

lol

juniper

I've only seen three customers use it in my life, but I guess I have to learn it now

[gleaming crater]

it's not hard but they're kinda dicks about dropping features behind paywalls

[clear ferry]

Gonna guess we will probably kill off most of it, keep the AI stuff and roll the userbase over with Aruba

The Aruba IE stuff is nice

[subtle pasture]

VMWare is turning into that as well. I finally went and migrated my homelab off ESXi to Proxmox because of the BS with Broadcom

[clear ferry]

I'll probably be migrating vmware customers for the next 5 years

[subtle pasture]

Broadcom was nice enough to release patches for a recent critical security vulnerability, even for several EOL versions of ESXi... but only to paying customers

No active contract? Guess you'll have to live with that root exploit...

[clear ferry]

If it makes you feel better, not even we could generate licences last I checked

[subtle pasture]

CVVS score of 9.3, no big <_<

[gleaming crater]

Oh like that boundary punch that just got discovered via usb?

[subtle pasture]

That'd be the one

It's a lower severity vuln for ESXi 7 and 8, but it's very-very critical for ESXi 6.x and VMWare Workstation

I've spent the last 2 days removing virtual USB host controllers from clients who are still running ESXi 6.x

[gleaming crater]

thisisfine

[subtle pasture]

What always surprised me is how nicely these integrate with Home Assistant, including their ability to join a Zigbee mesh and help keep your WiFi from jamming your Zigbee devices.

[clear ferry]

Yikes, 6.x

[subtle pasture]

We're trying to get people to move to Hyper-V or Proxmox ASAP. Some of our clients don't like to spend money...

[clear ferry]

I haven't looked into that yet, I understood it would only work with industrial Zigbee stuff

[clear ferry]

Openstack is the way

[subtle pasture]

At the bare minimum is should provide zigbee avoidance, even for consumer gear

[subtle pasture]

These are small businesses. An OpenStack deployment would be mad overkill.

Also, isn't the reccomended deployment for OpenStack a minimum of 3 physical servers?

[clear ferry]

And you call yourself America

[gleaming crater]

Isn't that any cluster for quorum?

[clear ferry]

Yes

Gotta love even numbered clusters

[subtle pasture]

Most of these clients are running single-servers with ESXi booting from an internal SD card. No clustering, no vCenter.

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-we-one-gif-18212100

[gleaming crater]

https://tenor.com/view/austin-powers-dangerously-gif-20939086

[clear ferry]

What the fuck, I haven't seen that in close to a decade

[subtle pasture]

What a coincidence, the one I worked on yesterday was an HP Gen8 v2 server. Almost exactly 10 years old.

[clear ferry]

Sounds right

[subtle pasture]

ESXi 6 from SD was actually pretty standard for a while. ESXi boots up and runs from RAM, barely ever writes to the card, especily if you aren't clustered.

ESXi will run with a dead SD card forever as long as you don't shut down

[clear ferry]

Istr it will crash if your scratch is on SD, and it writes

Might be wrong, haven't seen SD in over 3 years

[subtle pasture]

They installed 4GB SD cards. ESXi doesn't create a scratch disk on SD if they're that small. lol

[clear ferry]

Yikes

Jesus Christ

[subtle pasture]

Again, that was the standard 10 years ago

[clear ferry]

Was it? All gen8s I've seen have 16 or 32

I decommissioned a couple of dozen a few years back

[subtle pasture]

Still weird to me seeing Gen8 motherboards with SD-card slots surface-mount soldered near the iLO components

[clear ferry]

Makes sense since it is connected via the ilo

I'll show you a low level design if I remember

[subtle pasture]

Makes sense. I know iLO monitors the health of the card, which is why it had to be an HPE card.

It'll also let you rewrite the card from iLO

[clear ferry]

I've never seen it had to be a HPE card, our cards are just rebranded SanDisk afaik

[subtle pasture]

We always sprang for the ones direct from HP. The later ones were really goofy

One was a SD card that had two MicroSD card slots on it, which ran mirrored

[clear ferry]

The dual SD card to USB internal thing was fun, I had to remove 400 of those due to a firmware bug

[subtle pasture]

I remember that!

[clear ferry]

SD card mirroring is a gimmick anyway you still have to reboot to replace and reboot to remirror, and if the active one fails it still crashes,but we had to make it since Dell had it onboard

[subtle pasture]

I literally just swapped my homelab over from ESXi running on 3x DL380p Gen8's to Proxmox running on 3x Lenovo M920Q's

My office has never been this quiet.

[clear ferry]

I'm moving my rack with 5 gen8s and 36U of other stuff soon

[subtle pasture]

I feel like it was entirely a last-ditch effort to keep ESXi from eating SD cards.

ESXi from SD was good until 6.5 or 6.7, then it started chewing up cards.

And they reccomended HIGHLY against even attempting to run ESXi 7 from SD.

I'm pretty sure the minimum spec for ESXi8 includes a SATA or NVMe SSD for boot.

[clear ferry]

It is no SD

And minimum 137GB

If memory serves right

[solar zealot]

is it just me or is used audio gear suspiciously cheap on ebay

[gleaming crater]

Lol depends on what you're getting and what you call cheap

[solar zealot]

i am scooping for some better mixer/dac combo to us on a pc, the stuff i see here is in range of 10-20% of an amazon new listing

ie replacing an umc204 woth an xenyx usb was my plan

[gleaming crater]

I mean usb dacs are extremely cheap now, but they could also be knockoff clones

Also amazon is rife with marked up imported trash

[solar zealot]

could be, but it looks like its mostly private offers

maybe i should fuck around bid on an Xenyx x1622USB for <100 and find out

having it not be directly usb powered likely goes a long way

[dire spear]

stabs virgin internet with a stick in the eye... repeatedly

[hollow glacier]

i'll have you know my gowangfun $7 electric toothbrush has only shocked me twice

[gleaming crater]

owth my thoung goth zthapped

[hollow glacier]

feature not a bug

[solar zealot]

" "

[gleaming crater]

engrish is fun

[clear ferry]

No kink shame

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/uwu-cat-gif-17476962592760137324

[solar zealot]

[tidal bronze]

@shy comet what a BEAUtiful day! 68 and we back!!!!!

[shy comet]

yup back to sunny socal!!

[static schooner]

Some of your rain may come

[tidal bronze]

Be nice

Don't mention rain or clouds anymore

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/street-rafting-rainstorm-flood-gutter-stream-gif-25918299

[tidal bronze]

You jinxed it 😡

Clouds over the weekend. This is not acceptable.

[forest edge]

you should offer to pay more in taxes.. that should fix the issue

[tidal bronze]

Would love to.

Anything for no clouds rain and 70F weather.

[forest edge]

wtf how is http://ithrowmoneyaway.com not claimed? lol

[tidal bronze]

You should get it, makes perfect sense for living in KC

[forest edge]

I just learned you can get domains with .sucks.. gonna petition the california.com to a change lmao

[tidal bronze]

I love how you drool over us. Keep it going.

[forest edge]

thats more rain you are feeling, not drool lol

[tidal bronze]

Nopes no mas

Waiting for Sun to clear the driveway so I can start washing wheels

[frosty prairie]

@lunar badge @fresh fossil @hollow glacier
Thank you so much for your help two days ago! I won best project between all categories at the event and will be sponsored to present my work at LA! Couldn't have done it without you! If you want to work on getting it to send the yaml code without manual input, I would appreciate your help and would be willing to work on it anytime. Hit me up if you come across any useful resources! Again, thank you!

[hollow glacier]

Congrats

https://tenor.com/view/my-part-im-doing-my-part-army-soldier-gif-4718826

[tidal bronze]

@frosty prairie is buying 🍷Place & time?

[solar zealot]

[frosty prairie]

Not 21 yet... 😂

[tidal bronze]

Oh that's super fine. You just buying.

[forest edge]

don't fall for that.. they charge you an additional 4% health and happiness "tax" on shit in LA lol

[solar zealot]

visit a real country instead

[tidal bronze]

Dude you should really get on that Greyhound and come over here. You have never been to LA right?

[static schooner]

I hear it rains a lot

[forest edge]

can't afford it.. everytime I blink your rates go up lol

[tidal bronze]

I will get you setup with some awesome seafood.

[solar zealot]

could we get real food for real humans please

[forest edge]

I can get food poisoning at home tyvm

[tidal bronze]

Oh come on now. You should go outside your barn atleast once in your lifetime.

There's much to see outside middle earth

[forest edge]

not really.. seen plenty already

[tidal bronze]

Nopes

[hollow glacier]

That’s a rich man’s mentality brah

Most people can’t afford to leave their zip code

[forest edge]

I done been to two coastlines.. the 3rd isn't going to be any diffrent lol

[solar zealot]

does qf ship internationally

its not sea food if it didnt travel over seas

[tidal bronze]

Isn't everyone?

[hollow glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/disappointed-so-gif-18681605

[shy comet]

@tidal bronze make sure to do a perimeter sweep and turn over any small puddle of water...already saw mosquitto larvae over here

[tidal bronze]

You visited the coasts in 1953, things have changed a bit here and there

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/run-away-jurassic-world-dominion-scared-swarm-jurassic-park-gif-24977740

[tidal bronze]

Already started pumping out the fountains until summer. Thanks for the headsup.

[forest edge]

yea your girls got uglier lmao

[tidal bronze]

You are beyong the "girl" age my dude.

Stop looking

[forest edge]

never

you never get that old lol

[frosty prairie]

Now I feel bad... 💀

[tidal bronze]

When you are 70 you are old. There's no going back from that. Sorry buddy

[hollow glacier]

I blame selfish rich people for ruining our country not a kid trying to learn cool tech shit

[forest edge]

you go till you need pills then you keep going

[tidal bronze]

Pointless blaming the people who made it. That's not how the cycle works.

[tidal bronze]

I see. You a blue dude?

[forest edge]

this day and age the term "made it" is kind of sketchy lol

[tidal bronze]

lol.

[hollow glacier]

I blame lots of things

But politics is pointless to talk about I have no power. I just calls em how I sees em

[tidal bronze]

Blaming doesn't help. Valuable time wasted where revenue can be made.

[hollow glacier]

And use my life experience and knowledge gained to draw the picture in my head

lol

https://tenor.com/view/youre-one-of-them-bill-hader-taran-killam-nasim-pedrad-kate-mckinnnon-gif-16695059

[tidal bronze]

Oh lol.

I am sorry!!!

[hollow glacier]

Example:: the guy in the 3.5million dollar house (not you) arguing with me about $100 an hour being too expensive for designing and deploying smart home and other tech

I can and do blame him for being a part of the problem. Just wants to use others to get cool shit but not help others along the way

[tidal bronze]

That's a smart person and that's why they are in a 3.5mil house.

[hollow glacier]

ROFL goodbye

[forest edge]

lol like those news clips about rich people shopping at dollar generals etc lol

[tidal bronze]

What's wrong with dollar general?

[forest edge]

lol

[frosty prairie]

I'll pass it along! I appreciate the support of the community and will make sure to do the same when I am as experienced as you all are! 🙏

[tidal bronze]

Why does anyone need any help?

[forest edge]

3rd or 4th bottle already?

[tidal bronze]

Nothing yet. Was at the dentist and was no fun.

Setting up the hookah with all this Sun out.

[forest edge]

they shine the blue light in your mouth?

[tidal bronze]

Had to say a thing or two. They were complaining I am not keeping my appointments. Was not a fun day. I had to straiten out a few things. lol.

[hollow glacier]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LZEY15Fsjgk if you watch this and the takeaway is Mr. Wonderful is right, then you are what’s wrong with America and you deserve none of the success you have regardless of what you did to work for it

https://tenor.com/view/rpx_syria-mic-drop-gif-19149907

That’s where I’m at

5 minute clip

[tidal bronze]

Who is Mr. Wonderful? What's shark?

Sorry I don't watch TV or NEWS

[forest edge]

they were like.. but your gum disease is spreading! and you were like, moar wine dammit!

[tidal bronze]

Oh a reality TV show. Yep it's all about margins.

[hollow glacier]

It’s about humans, you have failed the test.

[static schooner]

Humans are boring and don't make good TV

https://tenor.com/view/seinfeld-nothing-george-jerry-nada-gif-19873307

[tidal bronze]

Yes on humanism and no on capitalism.

[hollow glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/you-have-failed-this-city-green-arrow-oliver-queen-arrow-gif-9539686

[late gate]

I am running a 12th gen I9 on my server today, but 12th gen is notorious to make a lot of heat. the mobo support up to 14th gen. Would 13 or 14th be better cpu with energy use vs heat. Im not sure if I need to get an I9 since its no gaming though

[forest edge]

your room heating up too much?

[late gate]

not really, but its not a legal used CPU (dev version cpu). I have not had any issues with speed , freatures or clocking I might want to swap it for potentially less issuses (that can randomly come on this ES cpus). So I have the option of another 12th or just move to 13 or 14 while I am at it

[tidal bronze]

Your HA is still on a RPI2 right?

[forest edge]

if it's no additional cost you should always upgrade lol

[forest edge]

amiga

[tidal bronze]

oh cool! Mine is on a VIC 20

[forest edge]

I figured you already preordered lik 3 or 4 nuc 14 pro's lol

[tidal bronze]

I am sorry that you feel this way. But also know that working 18 hours a day 365 for 15+ years is not a small feat. No matter what you think or say. Hard work pays off.

[tidal bronze]

I did and waiting for them.

[forest edge]

he's talking about the kids who insta become rich over night because of some bs thing that ultimately hurts others in some form or another

[tidal bronze]

There's nothing wrong with that. More power to them

[forest edge]

no the means hurts all as whole

it only benefits the one

even if said kid dies, the damage is done

[tidal bronze]

As it's supposed to

I wish I had the tools and social media that kids have. I am happy for them.

[forest edge]

earning is not the same as obtaining lol

[tidal bronze]

Unfortunately, we were little late to the party. That doesn't mean there's anything wrong with the party 🙂

Learn, execute and move on.

[forest edge]

and this is why the world is shit lol

[tidal bronze]

World is perfect. Nothing shit about it at all.

[forest edge]

don't ever buy a tv with an antenna

https://tenor.com/view/ignorance-is-bliss-cypher-joe-pantoliano-the-matrix-oh-well-gif-22197092

[tidal bronze]

Just old hacks complaining about the oppurtunites lost

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/ignorance-bliss-ignorance-is-bliss-dumb-gif-27157220

holy shit

they made one just for you!

fav'd that shit lol

[tidal bronze]

I wish memes made money.

[forest edge]

that only applies to jealousy not to someone who wants a better world lol

[lunar badge]

Very cool, and happy to help!

[tidal bronze]

What's a better world?

I am no fun without wine

[forest edge]

the 1980's lol

I gopt my in home blood test kit in the mail today

[tidal bronze]

Other than music everything sucked in 1980

[forest edge]

I don't get how they can test all your shit from a single drop yet when you go into the office they take like a vial or two.. wtf is up with that?

they selling my blood when drawn at the office?

[gleaming crater]

They can't actually test from a single drop, theranos was a total scam lol

[tidal bronze]

LMAO

[forest edge]

dosen't look like a scam

https://www.letsgetchecked.com/

[tidal bronze]

Oh you are doing a STD test not blood work.

[forest edge]

no

it's your normal every year blood screen

pretty sure it was just a drop, haven't used it yet. just got it today

[tidal bronze]

Yearly? You ain't 18

[gleaming crater]

Checking for gravy

[tidal bronze]

lol

[static schooner]

Let me introduce you to the world of 'influencers'...

[tidal bronze]

It's gravy and mash all day, every day

[tidal bronze]

I am really happy for them. Making it work for them!

[forest edge]

nothing wrong with gravy

[tidal bronze]

Other then everything

[forest edge]

it's how you know you "earned" your wealth

[tidal bronze]

@forest edge jokes aside when are you gonna show up in LA?

[forest edge]

maybe this test dosen't test for as much as they do in the office.. still crazy amount diffrence

[tidal bronze]

BTW I might be in KC Friday grabbing some cooking stuff

[forest edge]

there is nothing appealing about califronia to me other than a waypoint to catch a cruisline possibly in some future date lol

[forest edge]

a friend of mine works for UPS and he does get sent out there from time to time when they do changes to thier truck line. "maybe" one time when he goes I may go with him only cause it's always during the car shows time of the year out there but big super big maybe

[forest edge]

what is this cooking stuff you are coming here for?

[tidal bronze]

Crabs and some shrimp/crab paste

Then driving back to Wichita

[forest edge]

so you are coming inland to get seafood to drive it back to the coast?

that just sounds wrong

sure i get it.. our food is less likely to give you intestinal parasites but still

[tidal bronze]

I have no idea my buddy says better options in KC so following his lead.

Will be in Wichita 4 days.

[forest edge]

bad enough you bastards move here now you want to come take our food too?

need to put a stop to that shit

[tidal bronze]

If you are free Friday let's meet up.

[forest edge]

and that was the last we ever heard from quadflight

[tidal bronze]

LOL or SAT

I have no idea why I agreed to do this with no direct flights to either coast.

[forest edge]

you are driving to wichita?

[tidal bronze]

Never.

My buddy who lives in Wichita goes to KC for fun (that's yet to be deciphered)

[forest edge]

the drive to wichita is not that bad from KC. 70 is pretty much the autobahn for that stretch lol

[tidal bronze]

Friends are getting together there since it's always NY or LA we thought of changing it up. Let's see how goes

[forest edge]

no idea what the state of wichita is today but it was pretty "farm" like the last time I was there lol

KC was way more modren to put it midly lol

[tidal bronze]

The only requirements were, distance to Costco and Total wine.

[forest edge]

sure they have a Costco no idea what Total wine mean

[tidal bronze]

You do have one https://www.totalwine.com/store-info/missouri-stateline/1806

[static schooner]

Total Wine just branched out into San Diego a year or so ago. They're great

[tidal bronze]

My fav!

[static schooner]

I went all the way up to Temecula a few times just to buy stuff there

Bevmo has become complacent

[tidal bronze]

Most of them are empty specially up North.

[static schooner]

TW has a great selection of Whisky

[tidal bronze]

Wonder if they are shutting down.

[tidal bronze]

Whish they brought in more than 5 Yamazaki's a month 🙂

Not sharing with airbnb this weekend 😆

[forest edge]

gonna swim in someone else's urine?

[tidal bronze]

Got this one back to ourselves after ages. 2 days of urine is good enough.

[forest edge]

gross

[tidal bronze]

Actually upgrading the backyard audio system this weekend. I am stoked.

Anything to buy speakers

[forest edge]

wtf

why don't you just skip the system and buy the band

[tidal bronze]

There's only 2 rock speakers at this property. Going to jazz it up this weekend.

[forest edge]

I would say you could jazz up the farm but i'd just hit the stupid things with the lawnmower anyways

[tidal bronze]

lol. Going to add 2 x sub surface subs and 6 more rocks. Loads of wire pulls tomorrow.

[solar zealot]

so sub subs and rocks for jazz

[tidal bronze]

I only wish HA worked for rental properties 😦

[solar zealot]

rental assistant

[tidal bronze]

I wish. Simply a nightmare. I did it only once and never again.

[forest edge]

confused. why dosen't it?

[solar zealot]

could imagine them trying to make "adjustments" which tend to go horrible

more professional solutions may be better for this

[forest edge]

no, i would make the HA part optional, more so owner only. everyone else would have to flip switches etc

it's not like you can't build an HA system with the idea of mechical control lol

[solar zealot]

that feels like a horrible limitiation and privacy issue

[forest edge]

how is that?

so don't use cameras?

or don't run the cameras through it

[solar zealot]

"oh guess tennants dont need warm water in the evening because pensive™️"

[forest edge]

hotwater tanks work fine without HA?

[solar zealot]

you could fairly easy figure out peoples habits

[forest edge]

that makes no sense to me

[solar zealot]

you seem to assume only the best intentions

[forest edge]

the electric bill will show people's habits lol

[solar zealot]

its a liability to maintain at best

no the bill really doesnt

[forest edge]

neither does an HA system in standby

[tidal bronze]

for airbnb it's always Control 4. Anything else you are just asking for trouble

[solar zealot]

you can monitor pretty much any consumption related asset with ha with rather high sample size

[forest edge]

thats why I said.. the HA part would be for you only

don't make the rental depend on HA at all

[tidal bronze]

I used to have HA here, pulled out everything when I moved

[solar zealot]

it would be significantly easier to not include this system and have people put in their own stuff as they seem to require it

[forest edge]

probably cause you installed it with the idea of giving the rentals some kind of dashboard etc

[forest edge]

in an airbnb?

[tidal bronze]

HA dashboard for tenenant idea died years ago. HA is not for that.

[solar zealot]

id not call that renting

[forest edge]

big difference between renting a property out for tenants over a considerable length of time than something that falls closer to a hotel type of stay

[tidal bronze]

Even I don't use the UI so how can I expect a stranger to? lol

[forest edge]

if your tenants are in there for several months in a stretch then yea.. HA is not for that

[solar zealot]

fair enough

[frosty prairie]

❤️

[solar zealot]

QF should add a cleaning fee, service fee and a fee fee for good measure

[tidal bronze]

This one is usually 2 to 3 months. All they want is whole house music nothing else. This one has a pretty extensive Russoound system that I did ages ago with local break-outs etc. Just need more dBs in the backyrad.

[forest edge]

where is this?

what state

[solar zealot]

looks warm

[tidal bronze]

Calabasses, CA

[forest edge]

gross.. all in caliland?

[solar zealot]

is the pool heated?

[tidal bronze]

All year

[solar zealot]

nice

[forest edge]

get yourself a nice place in texas and maybe i'll use it for a weekend lol

[tidal bronze]

You lost me at TX

[solar zealot]

not enough sea food i guess

[forest edge]

fine NY.. but closer to NJ so I can justify going there for her family

wait no

north jersy smells like ass

thats a tough one

maybe just past the tree line where the smell magically disappears lol

[tidal bronze]

Sorry east is just to travel and eat.

[forest edge]

close enough for the train

north NY seemed relatively nice too

[tidal bronze]

I do love upstate but can't live there

[tidal bronze]

Take the bus.

I know you are scared of flying

[static schooner]

I think they travel by riding mower

Another interesting raccoon fact:

[tidal bronze]

Looks like you are pretty busy with work.

[static schooner]

it's taking my mind off the fact that my water heater is leaking and I'm waiting for someone to call and schedule a time to replace it

[forest edge]

rental?

[static schooner]

no

[forest edge]

where is it leaking at?

[static schooner]

can't really tell this time

it's an ongoing battle for some reason. This is the third time it's happened in the last few years

the last time, it was rust developing around the flue and leaking from there

I'm kinda at my wit's end with it

[forest edge]

the heat causes the rubber seals in the outlet at the top of disintegrate which can cause leaks there. the drain valve can go bad and then the all dreaded corrosion on the tank itself

sounds like time for replacement

hope you got your 15 years lol