the-water-cooler

[glacial knot]

don't forget that to americans things only exist once they are used to make money

[upper nymph]

Yeah I believe taking it out isn't too hard. There might be some glue, but AFAIK that phone isn't too hard to repair in general.

The very first idea I had was to build a Home Assistant dashboard for the phone and do all of the controlling from Home Assistant > MQTT > Teslamate, but I have no idea if that will even work. I'll need some kind of data-connectivity too, and to prevent always on, some kind of tasker-style automation that turns the screen on only when the back seats have someone in them. I could potentially detect that based on whether or not the seatbelt sign has come on, assuming this gets reported by Teslamate

[gleaming crater]

https://tenor.com/view/viralhog-gun-fire-murica-flag-america-gif-12183553

[primal laurel]

We invented the stock market. Maybe they should pay us royalties for that

[glacial knot]

sounds like it needs stable network to your HA instance. If you can guarantee that 🤷
I dont have a Tesla and barely backseats. So ehh

[forest edge]

we don't deal with wood chips

opps

[prisma briar]

Are you talking about us in other Discords?

I wanna see your gossip about us, it's probably hilariously off the mark.

[forest edge]

does it shock you that some in here are in other discords?

[gleaming crater]

What kinda dumbass question is that

[prisma briar]

^

I'm in like 70 Discords and regularly see people shitting on stupid things said in other Discords

Generally they don't manage to post their takes in the discord they're trying to mock though

[forest edge]

why do you care?

[prisma briar]

It's funny, that's all

[forest edge]

everything generally is in here

[forest edge]

us? why is it "us"?

I just noticed that

you all linked at the hip?

[prisma briar]

What kind of dumbass question is that

[forest edge]

exactly.. what kind of dumbass question is that

you always have to make it sound like you share the same brain with everyone else. nothing is about you, it's about us lol

[prisma briar]

I assume this isn't the first time you've gossiped about conversations here, I'm regularly participating in conversations here, when there's a group of people of which you are included 'us' is the term to use.

Go back to school.

[dire spear]

i write psychiatric medicine journals about some of the takes in this discord.

[prisma briar]

It's weird you find considering oneself to be part of a group so alien

[forest edge]

well you know what they say about assumption...

or maybe you don't

nm

[prisma briar]

It's really funny how after all this time you still act like you're smarter than anyone else here

[forest edge]

is that another assumption?

[dire spear]

leave it, its not worth it

😛

just put them on ignore like i do

bliss

[gleaming crater]

What's that saying, you'll never reason someone out a position they didn't reason themselves into?

[forest edge]

I'm just picking on ya.. like a moth drawn to a flame i can smell insecurity

[primal laurel]

if you tell me it's eggnog one more time... 🤣

[forest edge]

you do use the term everyone etc a lot. just saying

[dire spear]

hahaha

[prisma briar]

So? I don't know why you think I care, lol.

[forest edge]

bandwagons

cool kids club

[prisma briar]

I'm only responding now because you've brought it up like a half dozen times

[forest edge]

you just felt this desire to stick your nose into something that wasn't even about or involving you and jumped at the chance to act "cool" and I just picked on you for it

i'm sorry, i apologize

[solar zealot]

U guys do the trolling wrong, it's

<weird take>
Just curious

[forest edge]

i can be dick sometimes.. @clever mortar needs to punish me

https://tenor.com/view/feel-better-get-well-soon-gif-27650761

[dire spear]

this is the song that never ends

[gleaming crater]

https://tenor.com/view/uncomfortable-drinking-thirsty-gif-13676825

I'm excited to get my https://www.tindie.com/products/tjhorner/upsy-desky/ today

[dire spear]

O_o

wait do that runs the motors?

me needs

[gleaming crater]

It's got a serial passthru

[primal laurel]

you have some balls to tag him directly

[gleaming crater]

So it can just sit in line with the normal controls

[primal laurel]

usually gives you the death stare

https://tenor.com/view/discord-reply-discord-reply-off-discord-reply-gif-22150762

[prisma briar]

That looks pretty cool. Our facilities team at work could've used something like this to replace broken controls.

People commonly smashed chairs into them

[gleaming crater]

My desk only has the up/down buttons, this will finally give me presets lol

Better controls are as much or more as this anyways

The github even has directions for reversing the protocol of some unknown desk if it's not supported out of the box

But I'm pretty sure the vast majority all use the same vendor's controller

[solar zealot]

The non electric ones are far nicer

Yea let me just take a break while my desk comes up to standing height ;D

[prisma briar]

Lol, ours at work hardly got used as electric ones, nobody would use them if they were crank or manual

[gleaming crater]

Electric are so cheap anymore why bother with a crank

[ocean oar]

Plus you can buy an Upsy Desky (https://upsy-desky.tjhorner.dev/) and automate it
Don't mind me, had scrolled off the screen

I think mine is compatible with those, should buy one

Although, as I was talking to someone about yesterday, you really would want to modify the firmware.

[gleaming crater]

On the desk?

Or the upsydesk?

[ocean oar]

The upsy. Because the most fun would be every time the person using it leaves the room, lower the desk ~5mm, but modify the value going to the display so it doesn't report any change

See how far you can lower it before they notice

[gleaming crater]

Lol reminds me a roald dahl story

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Twits#The_Shrinks

[ocean oar]

Yeah that was what I was thinking too

[solar zealot]

There are spring loaded ones you just push down or up

[gleaming crater]

For me the annoyance is finding the perfect spot every time, I need some presets lol

I already had to put a custom top on mine to make it tall enough, they don't seem to make desks for people my height

[dire spear]

i want to have remote control over a dining table with motors. so thers no buttons on it

[gleaming crater]

There is a place in texas that makes custom standing desk frames including 4-leg ones

[dire spear]

theres tons of custom leg options

[gleaming crater]

Then put a nice wood top on it and people wouldn't know till it started to rise lol

[dire spear]

but id like home assistant voice control

[gleaming crater]

With the upsy that's all totally doable

You could have the phrase "I'm feeling fat" make the table go into standing mode lol

[dire spear]

haha

[ocean oar]

The only custom command I've bothered implementing to date is "hey google, flush the cat toilet" to trigger the litter robot.

[dire spear]

hehe

i want to it just set it to cofee table, bar, and dining height

[ocean oar]

I do enjoy that the template the LR is built on is the robot vacuum one

Do they make extending table legs with that range of motion?

[gleaming crater]

My desk goes a pretty wide range with triple telescoping legs

Might be tricky to get 'coffee table' tho

[ocean oar]

Mine says 600mm - 1250mm, that covers dining/bar but definitely not low enough for coffee table

Problem is you'd need 4 or maybe even 5 part telescoping legs, and that'd likely in them being a bit wobbly, as well as limiting the size of the motor you could fit

[forest edge]

@tidal bronze we having a red flag fire warning day. This what it like for you every day?

[gleaming crater]

I'd imagine you'd need quite large telescoping legs and big motors to pull off that range

And you couldn't just use a single drive screw either and get the full range

[ocean oar]

Yeah that's what I was thinking

I don't know if you could make it sturdy enough, but it'd be fun to design a scissor-lift table

[static schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/middle-finger-inspector-gadget-hands-fu-flipping-off-gif-17092956

[ocean oar]

It'd have to be this design of table with one big central pillar

[forest edge]

The little one coming out of the finger

[static schooner]

Inspector Gagdet was full of surprises

[gleaming crater]

With some kind of internal gearing to drive each stage of the column

[ocean oar]

Well I was more thinking you could hide this sort of mechanism inside:

[gleaming crater]

Ahh true

[ocean oar]

Goes low. Goes high. Only small risk of crushing injury when lowering

[gleaming crater]

Now make it rigid enough to never wobble lol

[ocean oar]

Yeah that is the challenge. Maybe a 4-sided square lifting mechanism (hinged at the corners), and with the propulsion (probably lead screw) up the centre.
That might still be rotationally "wobbly", but should avoid too much side-to-side movement

[gleaming crater]

I'll never forget the time my dad took me up in a scissor lift and was intermittently pounding a nail on a board as it drifted past as the lift swaying back and forth in the wind

[static schooner]

the angle that picture is taken from makes that thing look terrifying

[gleaming crater]

They are 100% terrifying to be on at full height lol

[static schooner]

like some mostly-broken carnival ride

[gleaming crater]

I'm not a fan of heights tho in general

[ocean oar]

I'm really not a fan

[gleaming crater]

I did that pop out box at the sears tower and I thought my stomach was going to fall out of my ass

[ocean oar]

The only thing worse than a full size scissor lift is the single-person lift

Turn the wobble up to 11

[gleaming crater]

https://tenor.com/view/no-randy-jackson-dawg-gif-12730917

[winged obsidian]

ATMs have to be wheelchair accessible.

[ocean oar]

We have a cage for lifting 2 people on the forklift. Actually feels more stable, probably because the forklift weighs ~5.25 tons compared to ~1.5 for a scissor lift

[primal laurel]

good point

I guess they're not here

[gleaming crater]

The ADA here is basically a blanket requirement, it’s pretty easy to get sued for not providing equitable access

It’s why so many sites have those accessibility options now too

Oddly enough we decided to exempt our own currency from ADA compliance lol

[static schooner]

paper currency continuing to exist, and all of it being the same size, shape, and general color/look is all unfortunate

[gleaming crater]

Won’t somebody think of the vending machines!

[static schooner]

even the Girl Scouts take credit cards these days 🙂

[gleaming crater]

Even the Salvation Army bell ringers do lol

[static schooner]

I used to toss change in those things, but I don't have any anymore

people toss credit cards in there?

quite generous

[gleaming crater]

They now have a card reader on top of the pail lol

[static schooner]

lol

tap the red bucket to pay

[gleaming crater]

Shit even the homeless here will break out a square pay when you tell em you don’t have any cash lol

[winged obsidian]

My office had vending machines that took only cards, no cash. "Had" because someone decided to centralize everything on one floor for a big common break room. Now there's nothing. I haven't visited the new one. At that point, I may as well leave the office and go somewhere with better food cheaper.

[gleaming crater]

Seattle offices will literally riot if there isn’t free coffee and espresso

[winged obsidian]

They went to some awful pod-based thing for that. Not Keurig, not ESE. I don't even know what it is. And there's a Starbucks on the ground floor. I have a Moccamaster at home, and Hydroflasks. Problem solved.

Gaggia at home too, but I don't attempt to travel with espresso

[gleaming crater]

Keurig coffee is basically brown asswater I don’t know how people own those machines lol

Tho that’s kinda the case leaving the state, coffee is weaker everywhere else it seems

[winged obsidian]

My daughter says it makes a decent hot cocoa.

[gleaming crater]

Lol it’s just an overpriced kettle now

[winged obsidian]

I promise coffee in my house can be as strong as you want.

[gleaming crater]

I have to drink only espresso when I leave town

[dire spear]

mine has the range. 600 to 1280. but i need to recess the legs 200mm into the floor

so i get 400 to 1080 (plus top thickness

[gleaming crater]

My top maxes out at 1371mm

And that’s my standing height when I work

[dire spear]

mines dual motor. so the weight of a dining slab is fine

standing height for me is 1000ish

cause im normal human size

[gleaming crater]

Lol

People would take pictures standing under my desk when they visited from remote offices lol

[primal laurel]

"They founded the company in 1992,[11] calling it Keurig; Sylvan later said that the name came from his having "looked up the word excellence in Dutch".[12]"

🤣

[gleaming crater]

Does it mean anything in Dutch?

[primal laurel]

yeah

keurig = decent

[dire spear]

"adequate"

[gleaming crater]

https://tenor.com/view/bubbles-decent-gif-13865092

[static schooner]

"workmanlike"

"better than nothing"

[gleaming crater]

Lol

[dire spear]

i looked um my grandmothers cats name on google translate...

it got me a call fro HR

[gleaming crater]

If you have a machine that can brew slower they’re at least drinkable vs nothing

[primal laurel]

if you say 'keurig' you are at least satisified

[gleaming crater]

Normally they blast the water thru like it’s a race

[static schooner]

stolen from Rosemary:

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/fast-cheap-good-good-fast-cheap-choices-gif-14847993

[winged obsidian]

iMovr has a single stage that's 685-1200 mm, a dual stage that's 609-1270, and optional 150mm leg extenders.

[static schooner]

there ya go

[winged obsidian]

(approximate, converted from inches)

[winged obsidian]

if you say 'keurig' you are at least satisified

[gleaming crater]

That’s like we have a brand of ice cream here with another fake danish name https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Häagen-Dazs

[winged obsidian]

The sad part is there was a short period after Pillsbury bought them they opened retail stores across the country and it was good. Merely average today, and a major offender in "shrinkflation."

[primal laurel]

depends entirely on the context haha

[gleaming crater]

I'm pretty sure they can't even call themselves ice cream anymore because they fall below the cream threshold and have to be just a frozen dessert

[winged obsidian]

That haven't slipped quite that far yet. https://www.heb.com/product-detail/haagen-dazs-vanilla-ice-cream/402318

[gleaming crater]

There is a brand up in seattle called Molly Moon's and I've yet to try anything better ever

[winged obsidian]

Better than Seattle chicken teriyaki?

[gleaming crater]

I can only eat so much sugar-coated chicken and white rice lol

[primal laurel]

I think I've seen this in the supermarket here

yep, found it

[gleaming crater]

It's not even a real word is it?

[winged obsidian]

The brand is everywhere now: https://www.generalmills.com/food-we-make/brands/haagen-dazs

[winged obsidian]

His daughter Doris Hurley reported in the 1996 PBS documentary An Ice Cream Show that her father sat at the kitchen table for hours saying nonsensical words until he came up with a combination he liked.

[primal laurel]

no. It's two words madeup to look european to americans

[winged obsidian]

It's supposed to sound Danish. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-mOy8VUEBk

[gleaming crater]

Reminds me of this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisencolinensinainciusol

[primal laurel]

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/13/us/houston-shooting-deputies-apartment-intruder.html

????

video of this is crazy. Unloading several magazines through the window... how?

[dire spear]

its even more dumb cause they wanted it to be danish for war reasons, but wound up with a synthetic german name

[dire spear]

murica

[gleaming crater]

https://www.businessinsider.com/bulletproof-dave-grossman-police-trainer-teaching-officers-how-to-kill-2020-6

[dire spear]

need to heavily roll back the roll of police. we have gotten into this trend where every situation is responded to with an armed cop, when most of the time someone unarmed or just paramedics are better suited.

anyhow

risk of veering political here

[primal laurel]

whaaaaaaat

[winged obsidian]

That's the crux of what "defund the police" was about, but a truly terrible word choice doomed the effort. And yes, well into politics here.

[forest edge]

worse. they direct you to an online site from a social media page

like really?

[dire spear]

basically yeah. the wording got attention, but unfortunatelty then got subverted. the root sentiment is good and is actually being acted on in small ways at least up here

we had 4 or 5 incidents with mentally ill people that should never have been responded to without social workers and paramedics.

[orchid rose]

Classic. Syggelekokle? Kamelåså.

[gleaming crater]

https://tenor.com/view/chef-muppet-chef-cook-singing-cook-gif-2193893778078637907

[dire spear]

on a forum i was on when you ignore someone it changes everything to bork bork bork

mostly to anger a member that was sweedish

😛

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/wort-wort-wort-halo-elite-dance-halo-elite-dancing-halo-persona4-elite-persona4dancing-gif-24059772

^ give me this

[dire spear]

i want gummi bears

[gleaming crater]

not sweedish fish?

[dire spear]

they dont sell those around here anymore.

sweedish berries, sour patch kids and wine gums they have

(for non gelatin candy)

[solar zealot]

happy noises

[dire spear]

ooh. my friend got that

[primal laurel]

new?

looks fancy

[ocean oar]

Take the damn screen protector off already 😛

[solar zealot]

Yes just unboxed it :3 I have no idea how to use their software yet lol

[dire spear]

supposed to have very good dynamics and leave a nice finish

[primal laurel]

very nice

[solar zealot]

I just hope it doesn't require difficult maintenance

But can't avoid it now I guess :

[dire spear]

ha

too expensive a printer for my needs.

ive started subbing things out in SLS nylon to JLCPCB.

[forest edge]

isn't this your first 3d printer?

[solar zealot]

It's the second

[forest edge]

ah

[solar zealot]

But cura feels much different

Plenty to learn

[dire spear]

cura has changes a lot in the last few years

[forest edge]

quite the price tag on those

[orchid rose]

ngl these days I leave these on just because it annoys other people so much more than it does me 😄

[prisma briar]

Lubing gears and wiping dust off of the gantry rails is all that's regularly required

And cleaning the build plate

[dire spear]

until it breaks.

but it loosk well built

hopefully nothing breaks for a long itme

[prisma briar]

Parts will go out but that's what regularly requires maintenance

You can buy all the replacement parts online too

So far the only abnormal maintenance I've had to do is rip apart an AMS to get a broken section of filament out

[solar zealot]

I saw, they don't seem super expensive at least. But they also aren't as standard as they were for an ender 3

[prisma briar]

And that was just a couple screws then detaching a bowden tube and pulling it out

[primal laurel]

ender 3 has the most standard mass produced parts you can find probably. Hence the price

[solar zealot]

They added some replacement tubes for the ams which weren't listed

[prisma briar]

I got those too

I used the long one for my second AMS

[forest edge]

more bells and whistles the more that can go wrong. just hope you didn't get the multi spool feeder as well

[dire spear]

but thay printer breaks a lot.

[solar zealot]

Guess you need the larger ams hub then?

[prisma briar]

Yea, I have the 4->1 AMS hub

[solar zealot]

Wonder if that also works with external spools

So it's 1 ams + 3 spools

[primal laurel]

my ender 3 from 2019 hasn't broken anything 😛

[dire spear]

got lucky

[forest edge]

nope

[dire spear]

bad boards and cables, card readers, cracking heat bed wires. those are pretty normal after a year or so

[primal laurel]

I guess. I definitely got my money's worth that's for sure

[dire spear]

whihc isnt a big deal. they are cheap

[primal laurel]

got it for 150 or something on sale

[dire spear]

ah nice

yeah. thats the trade. cheap !

i have anycubics. more or less the same as the creality

i want a resin printer at some point for specific tasks

[primal laurel]

it was the most decent cheap printer at the time. Recommended by everyone. No idea how it stacks up now

[gleaming crater]

They were mostly good because everybody else had one too lol

Now the collective has moved on for sure

Anybody using one long enough has probably replaced enough parts to call it a new printer lol

[dire spear]

well its moved on to high speed printers 5-10x faster

[primal laurel]

I did a lot of upgrades

but that was part of the fun

[dire spear]

but i need to print fine detail things

[dire spear]

well you cant say there was no issues if you swapped parts.

sigh

haha

[gleaming crater]

Yeah I don't think the stock extruder will last more than a few rolls lol

[primal laurel]

upgrades, not swapped part

[gleaming crater]

It's plastic trash

[primal laurel]

besides the tubing and the printbed

[dire spear]

plastis one is actually pretty fine.

[gleaming crater]

I saw too many posts of people having a filament track sawed out the side of the intake of those extruders

Using the stock spool layout feed path put a sharp angle on the extruder intake

Unless you printed some guides or something

But that's what made em so fun, they were so damn popular you could print endless upgrades for em

[dire spear]

hm

[primal laurel]

that printer was a project in itself

but thats okay, knew that when I bought it

[dire spear]

could be worse. could have bought the makerbot'

hehe

i made the first aluminum extruder for that stupid thing

but even that never really fixed it

[gleaming crater]

It's such a fast moving market

[dire spear]

yup

and no

the printers at the industrial level seem to be almost static

the home ones are starting to overstep them

(for fdm)

patent issues had blocks a lot of home machine features

those are mostly gone now

[gleaming crater]

At least for FDM, resin printers are still encumbered

is there even an open firmware for them yet?

[prisma briar]

If I had to describe it I'd say the ender 3 is a project, the bambu is for projects

[gleaming crater]

The joke used to be people only bought enders to print upgrades for the ender

[dire spear]

sounds right

[primal laurel]

mostly stuff for family members lol

'you have a 3d printer right'

[dire spear]

its only very recently people have been using printers for legitimate practical or sellable items

[forest edge]

considering the price diffrence there is no room for comkplaint

[dire spear]

resin has a good market in miniatures, keycaps, etc

[forest edge]

a properly set up ender 3 can do pretty damn good. plenty of post show casing it vs other printers

https://www.reddit.com/r/3Dprinting/comments/yx0vvn/ender_3_pro_vs_bambu_x1c_a_couple_of_side_by_side/

I've seen even better ender 3 prints then what this person was able to pull off

full sized helmets for cosplay etc

[primal laurel]

all the companies I've worked at had a few for doing mockups

[dire spear]

one of my clients was using them for mockups in the 90s. but thats not a practical item really. i mean something you can put into service or sell

[ocean oar]

The most practical item I've ever made was a car number plate.
Back in the day in the UK, things like small roadsters often had a "plate" that wasn't a plate; just the big thick block letters the UK plates had, but stuck directly into the front grille.
I replicated that for one of my father's cars, but with the NZ license plate font. Designed a mounting mechanism to attach it directly to the 1/4" mesh grille. Printed and painted.

Basically replicating this look

[dire spear]

nice

kia?

[forest edge]

so glad we don't have those long ass things here in the us

[dire spear]

runs

my landlord had an only dusty esprit but wouldnt sell it to me for $500

😛

[prisma briar]

I have a number of practical prints. I replaced a door handle on a sliding glass door, I print cases for projects all the time, I have headphone stands, mic stands, I printed things to clamp onto bars on the shelves in my pantry to hold cans, I have 3D printed stands and spacers for things, the numbers on the front of my house are 3D printed

[forest edge]

doorbell angle bracket

[ocean oar]

Here's a "C", plus the (also printed) locking nut

[dire spear]

i did some printed plastics for a guitar a while ago. they need to be painted though or they dont looks nice

[prisma briar]

Oh yea, I printed new armrests for my chair too

[ocean oar]

The other one I really like is all the cameras in our datacentre at work are in 3d printed mounts.
We're using these https://www.axis.com/products/axis-fa1105-sensor-unit, made a screw mount that press-fits into 25mm OD conduit

[forest edge]

godamnit

think discord changed something

[solar zealot]

They always do

[static schooner]

they're quite excited about their changes

[forest edge]

like the 4th time today i sent a message to the wrong window

[solar zealot]

Yea that's a feature

[static schooner]

we already know that your password is mysekritpassword

[forest edge]

interesting bit especially since older vehicles were considered heavy tanks lol https://youtu.be/aHriD6UO_KI?si=FLc9Ennk_rcQb0Xg

[dire spear]

i thought it was 12345678

or smeagol

[static schooner]

they say that the best passwords are several words smushed together

[forest edge]

google password generation and good memory ftw

that rivian plowed through that guardrail as if it wasn't even there lol

[ocean oar]

That's amazing, I've got the same combination on my luggage

[winged obsidian]

Yes, mine is correct-horse-battery-staple

[dire spear]

middleearth1234?

oh, dont forget a symbol

[static schooner]

abbreviated as xkcd

[dire spear]

i use wgeliughveibhieaubveiurv435628bfgqeajrb1567&**(* as my passord cause its easy to remember

[static schooner]

isn't that next to Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch?

[dire spear]

no, two towns over

[winged obsidian]

True fact: My worst passwords are for my job. They won't allow installing a password manager.

[static schooner]

you can never tell with Scottish, it's basically gibberish

[dire spear]

O_o

welsh

i think confusing welsh and scotts is a hanging offence

[prisma briar]

Heh, I accidentally pasted an auto-generated auto-typed password for one of our systems at work into Discord a couple years ago. It's like 400 chars of UTF-8 noise.

[dire spear]

the rules for passwords are pretty pointless.

[winged obsidian]

My general rule for work passwords is as few characters as possible off the home row.

[static schooner]

my last company made me change my passed every 3 months, while my current company doesn't seem to require it at all 🤷

[dire spear]

mpaa requires 3 month password cycles as well. bothersome

[forest edge]

https://youtu.be/-zVgWpVXb64?si=goCmoVihp-7it9rp

[prisma briar]

We used to require password rotations but quit once we got all the stupid out of our login systems

[static schooner]

it's all 2FA and/or app-supported, though

[dire spear]

most of this stuff doesnt prevent any hacking. almost everything ive had that has been hacked has been internal to those companies. like adobe.

its never been cause my password was guessed

[winged obsidian]

The questions to reset a password are so stupid that I see no point choosing a good one.

[dire spear]

oh, like emergency questions.

they are super bad things i could never remember

should be able to set you own question

would make more sense

[forest edge]

nooooooooooo!!!!!! https://youtu.be/Z05CnuXvo74?si=tmjBi-USeeXXhfs6

wait. mine is ip nm this dosen't impact my landline

[winged obsidian]

I'm not sure if it counts as a landline - I've got Obihai + Google voice.

[dire spear]

landline and cabe have been dead for a while here.

[static schooner]

if they're going to do that, they should be forced to build out fiber wherever it happens

[dire spear]

cable has been officially discontinues last year

[static schooner]

they can remove the copper while they're at it

[forest edge]

make the most of already being on the pole? as if logic plays any part of this

[winged obsidian]

We've got methheads to take care of that

[static schooner]

no poles around here

[dire spear]

ha

[winged obsidian]

Pole? Where are you?

[forest edge]

yours all underground?

[static schooner]

all buried everywhere I've lived

[winged obsidian]

Yes.

[dire spear]

not much burried here. on rock.

[forest edge]

buried is still a relatively new thing here

too much to rip out whats already been here for eons

[winged obsidian]

Power, twisted pair (what's left of it), coax all underground

[forest edge]

wasn't that like an 80's movement?

[dire spear]

we just had new poles put in my street

one is even straight

[winged obsidian]

Sounds about right. My house is '83. My father's is two towns away, above ground, '71.

[dire spear]

virgin now owes me $1200 as well for botching my service. whee

ill spend it on sweedish fish

[forest edge]

I think here if a home was built in the 80's it was a 50/50 but even then the main tie in line was still a pole.. so underground in the neighborhood to a pole

[ocean oar]

Power is underground where I am, which is good because average wind speeds in this city are wild. Telco is a mix, but when they went through the country installing FTTH over the ~2012—2022 period they buried all of that.

[forest edge]

when i rehabed this house i replaced my above ground power with underground.. love it

[winged obsidian]

I don't think there are any remaining poles in my whole city, even the downtown area that dates from the late 19th century (that would be 1800s). High voltage lands south of town - that's above, of course.

[dire spear]

wind is very bad here, but theres not many choices

[forest edge]

really? where is this?

we have fiber buried that's been in the ground for like over 50 years or some shit for communication between hubs but literally everything else is above ground. only newer like 90's neighborhoods went underground

[winged obsidian]

Northern California.

[forest edge]

I wonder if that has anything to do with the fires you all get lol

I would start putting shit in dirt too to help avoid what they keep saying is the leading cause of your fires

[winged obsidian]

We've definitely accelerated moving power underground in the past few years. Our utility companies, I should say.

[forest edge]

i bet

super bad PR lol

[winged obsidian]

I would start putting shit in dirt too

I hesitate to ask where people in your state have been putting shit...

[dire spear]

anything new (last 20-30 years) is underground here, but they do not go out of their way to put old stuff underground. so it is a mix street to street here

[forest edge]

in little baggies that we ship to the east

[prisma briar]

They slather it with bbq sauce and eat it

[forest edge]

sounds like another satisfied customer

[prisma briar]

tbh a lot of the bbq joints down there do feel like bathrooms

Dingy, dirty, there's some smell you can't quite put your finger on

[forest edge]

stop going to rest stops for food then

[prisma briar]

It legit was out of the ordinary for me how many gas stations had full service diners there

Stopped at like 5

[forest edge]

it's the midwest, we are the veins of the truckers route

[prisma briar]

Out here there's like flying j and mavericks that are mostly just small delis. I guess I know of one flying j with an actual restaurant on it in Wyoming.

[forest edge]

truckers and train but train dosen't really get thier own stuff lol

[primal laurel]

100% of our LV and MV lines are underground 🙂

[prisma briar]

LOL reddit wants me to buy stock

from the admin 'reddit' account

[ocean oar]

They've been digging the past couple of weeks installing new MV lines into our datacentre at work.
Goes both faster, and slowe than you'd expect. With traffic management, having to put the road back together, etc, etc, were only getting about 15 metres a day outside the property line.

[dire spear]

thats common here on trucking routes between cities, but not in any built up area

[primal laurel]

for unground lines doing maintenance is a downside indeed

https://www.at5.nl/artikelen/179440/bizarre-beelden-metershoge-steekvlam-blaast-klusjesmannen-weg

look at this, happened in amsterdam couple of years ago

(nobody got seriously hurt)

[ocean oar]

Yeah that isn't ideal. Oil-insulated cable maybe? That is used for some MV/HV lines

[dire spear]

theres oil in the barrel caps on the poles here

maybe that

[prisma briar]

Yea, Kansas City is pretty built up though

To put it lightly

[forest edge]

yea I doubt you were in the meat of the city when judging it lol

there isn't even any stops except on the outskirts on both ends of like 70 or any of the major highways

[dire spear]

i vaguely remember gas station food fro driving to BC as a kid. it was... not good.

hehe

i think they were all husky stations

[prisma briar]

I don't remember exactly where I stayed, other than it was I think a comfort inn and it was a mile north of the missouri side of the river

It was 2010 I was down there

[forest edge]

again if it was a comfort inn you were not in the city

[prisma briar]

Like August/September

The event I was there for was at the convention center

[forest edge]

power and light district?

convention center is kind of vague to a degree

[prisma briar]

I spent a couple evenings there

Some open courtyard plaza

[forest edge]

that sounds like power and light which is on the north part of kansas city

which is next to 70 and 35 highway

but there is no comfort inn

or trucker stops

[static schooner]

knows all the trucker stops

[prisma briar]

This place and some building where the outside facade was a bunch of book spines are all I remember with enough detail to point out

this place

Which is a cool af library

[dire spear]

O_o

bad ai render

hehe

[forest edge]

thats power and light. that was called the sprint center

[winged obsidian]

There's a Comfort Inn at 3240 Broadway. That would be East of I-35, South of I-670, West of 71. Are downtown and "the meat" different areas?

[forest edge]

power and light is like the northern nipple of the city

[winged obsidian]

Just North of I-670?

[forest edge]

there is kansas city, than there is kansas city north. power and light is right on the edge

[static schooner]

When do you expect power and light in other parts of the city?

[forest edge]

I didn't even know there was one there. that would be a shithole lol. that is kind of the ghetto

[prisma briar]

It was a very shit hotel I stayed at

[forest edge]

yea the city is broken into pockets

[prisma briar]

I was just out of highschool, I didn't have fancy hotel money

[forest edge]

as you head south of there you get more into the "fancier" part and then back north where power and light is it's like older

[dire spear]

fancy hotel money in kansas cant be more than $4

[forest edge]

and all inbetween you have various shitholes and then some will be nicer

[dire spear]

4.50 tops

hehe

[prisma briar]

I'm 6'2" so I don't felt particularly unsafe most places but I never felt unsafe in Kansas City either.

I definitely walked around in the middle of the night a few times

[forest edge]

joes bbq which even the president ate at was the back part of a gas station near there

it "looks" old, ran down

[winged obsidian]

Do they all have the little baggies?

[forest edge]

but holy shit the food is good

[prisma briar]

Pretty sure I went to that one. They were advertising being on diners, drive in's, and dines?

[forest edge]

thats far west.. kansas handles our shipping

[static schooner]

Don't they put ice in their beer there?

[forest edge]

most likely

[forest edge]

no?

you can get a frozen mug

[winged obsidian]

TBF, I've only ever encountered that in Singapore.

[forest edge]

thankfully our city hasn't exploded like others.. I been to a lot of cities and even compared to our st louis.. I hate big cities

but they are trying to explode our city

[red rock]

Holy shit

[forest edge]

these younger generations are

[static schooner]

Oh well, I guess I was misled by a random dude on a plane years ago

[prisma briar]

yea I've definitely been here

[forest edge]

did you also eat the mint?

the best BBQ is in places that look run down. now we also have Q39 which alot of people like and it's fancy inside.. like something @tidal bronze would eat at but I didn't much care for it

not in the city but one of my fav's https://www.wabashbbq.com/

[tidal bronze]

Depends if the sauce and rub is made 0 sugar

[forest edge]

Q39 would be your best bet for some odd request

the other places would just laugh outloud

[winged obsidian]

the best BBQ is in places that look run down.

A universal truth

[forest edge]

yea.. I think ours is still cleaner looking than some of the one's i've seen in Texas

[tidal bronze]

I do like BBQ, although I prefer single piece of meet that was given 💯 attention 😀

[forest edge]

then don't eat at a grocery store

[tidal bronze]

After all this time you still don't my eating habits huh

[forest edge]

you mean kale, 0 carbs 0 sugar and wine from a box?

maybe there was tree bark in there somewhere?

[winged obsidian]

There are some surprisingly good wines sold in boxes. Also many that are as bad as you'd expect.

[forest edge]

wino's can't be judgo's

[tidal bronze]

Wine, never from a box unless it's the new age keto wine. Cuz 3g sugar is little too much. Lol

[forest edge]

I really don't know what the chjoices in downtown kc has to offer these days

I have been actively avoiding people for the past decade so I steer clear of most places lol

I know the older places are still there. just new stuff i have no idea

[tidal bronze]

Finally I can agree. People, not good for you.

[forest edge]

just certian people lol

I don't avoid the regulars here

here as in where i live

[solar zealot]

can i snack one of you guys printer dashboard

ill keep being too unimaginative

[forest edge]

the bambu dosen't have an web dashboard?

I thought it used fluid or whatever that is

[tidal bronze]

I avoid any most of the time. Welp then again, biweekly backyard wine and beer tasting excluded. 😆

[forest edge]

the fact that you call it a "tasting" makes us incompatiable lol

brats and beer get together

[primal laurel]

Just noticed it's gone. Trying to find it

[dire spear]

i get made fun of for milk in bags and you have wine in boxes

weirdos

😛

[tidal bronze]

Together is little too much.

[solar zealot]

i dont think they do. just a weird app and their desktop app

but i like ha ❤️

[forest edge]

so you put down tape 6ft+ apart and make your guests stand there spaced out?

[tidal bronze]

You lost it at "dough" sorry.

[solar zealot]

i should probably not add it through their cloud service, but having to assign a static ip gives me anxiety issues

[forest edge]

is your tasting really a virtual thing? lol

[dire spear]

ha

[forest edge]

https://community.home-assistant.io/t/my-bambu-lab-x1c-dashboard-automations/665646

I wouldn't copy from some one else tho.. from scratch is part of the fun

[tidal bronze]

Neighbors we get together and check out new finds. Wine Beer and Scotch. Strictly tasting and dogs.

[solar zealot]

i try hard to not just have entity list after entity list ^^

i mostly just wanted to steal the camera bit

[forest edge]

that last part makes it sound like you are trying to cover up the fact that you all have "other" get togethers lol

[tidal bronze]

Most are doctors so isolated creatures, just what I like.

[forest edge]

I dunno if I could do an orgy in cali.... you guys lost all the hot ones from 80's

[winged obsidian]

Post some pics, I'll let you know your chances

[forest edge]

my best friend was friends with a doctor that lived in his neighborhood.. he was not isolated at all.. some of the xray pictures he would share after a few beers would make you crawl under your covers lol

[tidal bronze]

Not strange for a middle earther

[forest edge]

yea once you pass through the state line the stick just kind of falls out from your butt lol

[tidal bronze]

What else is there to do anyway? 4:15 pm and life stops.

[winged obsidian]

You have x-rays to show this?

[forest edge]

you wanna see some age wrinkles?

[dire spear]

the rule for orgies is that the people who like to make a fuss about them in public are the ones going to them in secret

[forest edge]

why does it stop for you at 4:15?

[tidal bronze]

KC dude KC.

[forest edge]

why 4:15?

[tidal bronze]

We near the ocean it's happening 24/7

[tidal bronze]

Ok 2:45 then. Sorry I overestimated

[forest edge]

these oddly specific times you are picking lol

[dire spear]

2:45 the party has to stop cause the kids are coming home from school

[tidal bronze]

These kids never leave the house

[dire spear]

oh. that kind of party

[tidal bronze]

Mash and gravy at 1:35PM

[forest edge]

dinner for many here is around 5

i prefer 8 tho

[tidal bronze]

Oh wow urban times

[forest edge]

you miss the kids dinner rush lol

then pack up and head home for bed around 1am

right as the bar closes

then back up the next moring at 6am

[tidal bronze]

Bar closes?

[forest edge]

you serve alcohol 24/7 there?

I could see vegas being that way but thought most of the country was a 1-2am restriction

[winged obsidian]

No sales 2:00 am - 6:00 am, officially

[tidal bronze]

If you can't re-up at 4:45AM why even go there?

[forest edge]

contrary to your hopes and desires not everyone on the planet wants to be drunk at first light

[tidal bronze]

Oh never drunk. That's a no no

[forest edge]

inebriated then

love how we spend our taxes in this country https://youtu.be/WL703eyVL3I?si=JuCOKTs1RCZLKd-U

we need another big war to get us back on track

history has proven that wars do help

[primal laurel]

Are you going to fight in it?

[forest edge]

probably. i'll man the big button

[winged obsidian]

I question whether running away from the one in Ukraine and towards another civil war would be as helpful as wars past.

[forest edge]

Ukraine dosen't really impact us

another civil war here would be interesting

we'd probably just end up with another canada

https://youtube.com/shorts/QI1vYCgO9tk?si=ByQbfnE5_uiT8a0u

[dire spear]

and long as you dont get any war remnants on our side

[winged obsidian]

It'll end with North American being divided among three countries

Canada, Mexico, and Quebec.

[forest edge]

no

it will be canada then canada 2 then the south

[dire spear]

quebec aint going nowhere.

they pretend they wanna leave but the dont really

[prisma briar]

rip bash.org

[winged obsidian]

Canada keeps holding the wrong referendum, putting it to vote in Quebec instead of the rest of the country.

[dire spear]

weve only had one and it was to the rest of the country

the issue with it was similar to scotland, where the question was BS

because half the people voting to leave still though they would get healthcare and the dollar etc

(from canada)

there was no comprehension of what being a separate country asctually meant for them

[forest edge]

candy strippers

[dire spear]

likewise brexit. no understanding of what would happen

(and everything that has happened was predictable)

now we got idiots in alberta thinking they will separate... they are land locked. good luck with that haha

"wed like to export out only resource of oil please".... yeah, no.

it would be better if the US submitted to canada though.

[forest edge]

no thanks.. you guys are worse than mexico

[dire spear]

we are gonna build a wall around the us

(even the coasts)

will be a canadian and mexico built wall though... so it will work

[forest edge]

wood instead of metal, snow instead of concrete

[winged obsidian]

Are you going to make us pay for the wall and the ladders?

[dire spear]

there will be a timmyis ever 4 km

[forest edge]

I doubt your country could even pull that off.. most of you are too stoned to make it very far from your homes

[dire spear]

nah, we will take it form the money we dont pay to nato

[forest edge]

https://youtu.be/IyV_pTFbZlk?si=aV4RuP-LyRScPdbm

I actually knew a friend of my dad's who had paid for a new truck in pennies. I didn't get see the transaction but it was a truck load and they actually accepted it

[prisma briar]

Back when I worked at a pizza joint after highschool we had a couple customers come pay us with coins for like $100 orders. The banks hated my deposits the next day.

[dire spear]

ha

i had somoene buy a $450 bike in loonies

you cant realyl refuse it, its money

so you spend 20 mins counting it twice

[prisma briar]

We turned down large bills because we didn't keep that much in our drawers and people trying to buy a $12 item with a $100 kind of sucked

Frequently it was "Well, do you want $20 in coins?"

[forest edge]

a pizza hut had trouble breaking large bills?

[prisma briar]

It was a Papa Johns

[forest edge]

pizza joint nm

[prisma briar]

I say pizza joint because it sounds more respectable than Papa Johns

[forest edge]

papa johns never had a dine in that i am aware of so they started with just deliveries in mind

[prisma briar]

There were a small number that had sit-down areas but it wasn't full service

[forest edge]

tho with that said, the drivers should have been able to break large bills

[prisma briar]

Lol no, drivers carried $20 in change

Start sending people out with rolls of cash on them and they become targets

[forest edge]

yea but 100 is not really target worthy

its not like they have to carry enough to do back to back breaking of large bills

3 back to back stops at most?

[prisma briar]

Sometimes delivery drivers would take two or three orders in one trip

[forest edge]

it would be a shit deal for all 3 needing to break a 100 but the odds of that would be slim lol

[prisma briar]

At the time the website told people drivers only had $20 in change

[forest edge]

i believe that

[prisma briar]

idk if it still does, haven't had Papa Johns in a long time

[forest edge]

still weird tho

[tidal bronze]

Are they still around?

[prisma briar]

I stayed there for too long, but I was a general manager by the time I left

[dire spear]

large bills they dont like here cause of counterfiet fears

100's mostly

not sure thats still the case with the new plastic money we have

[prisma briar]

That might have been another concern. We were told it was due to robbery concerns though

[dire spear]

ah, thats fair

[prisma briar]

Even then while I was there for about 5 years two stores and a half dozen drivers were robbed

[dire spear]

oof

[prisma briar]

None of mine, thankfully

[winged obsidian]

Yeah, there's one a couple miles from me. I have no idea what keeps them in business. There are actually good pizza deliveries available too.

[dire spear]

every once in a while i have a large bundle of bills and i dont like carrying it to the bank

[prisma briar]

Papa Johns corporate owned all the Denver market at the time so there were about 25 stores all under one umbrella

[tidal bronze]

I remember them early 2000 but haven't seen a store in ages.

[dire spear]

mostly im paranoid ill drop it

[static schooner]

their differentiator seemed to be the melted butter dipping sauce and pepperoncini, which are pretty good

[prisma briar]

I left right before the whole racist schnatter thing in like 2016

[dire spear]

i dont think ive ever seen a papa johns here.

[dire spear]

oh, i remeber that

[prisma briar]

What I was told when I worked there was that our dough was special because we put more sugar in it than other places

[tidal bronze]

Ah now I remember, and know the reason that they went missing in LA

[prisma briar]

And Papa John's pizza sauce sucks

heartburn in a can

[dire spear]

i put sugar in my dough to feed the yeast. not enough to make it sweet

[tidal bronze]

Fast Pizza and donuts, is hard to find in LA now.

[dire spear]

i remember my pizza place offloading cans of clearly labelled d grade tomatos

not inspiring (although im sure its fine)

[prisma briar]

Papa Johns had these huge regional distribution centers/packing centers that served like 10 states that did their dough and another factory for their sauce

[tidal bronze]

Isn't that how they all do it?

[dire spear]

oh they dont make dough on site?

[prisma briar]

I toured one of the dough production lines once, was a bunch of seemingly over-engineered machines

that separated everything into size and put them into trays

[forest edge]

donuts? really

you must not go down in LA much lol

i do not believe donuts are hard to find anywhere

[prisma briar]

No, it was made in a factory then shipped in a refrigerator truck to the store, then left in a cooler at the store for a couple days until it was proofed up enough to use.

[dire spear]

ah, but not frozen

[prisma briar]

Yea, it was always live dough

I did get a couple frozen shipments in, I sent them back to the distribution center

[tidal bronze]

Krispy creame went away long time ago. We do have a few small donut outlets here and there. Then again who in their right mind would think of eating one.

[dire spear]

timmys switched their doughnuts to frozen dough and everyone said omg they are horrible now i am offended.... but they had actually switched like 6 months earlier.

[prisma briar]

Sometimes the distribution center would short the store like half a week's inventory so I'd have to call all the neighboring stores and scrounge items.

[forest edge]

krispy cream got away from stores awhile back, they now in grocery stores, gas stations etc

[tidal bronze]

There's plenty in east coast

[prisma briar]

There's a couple good donut places here. Voodoo up in Denver, there's a place called Amy's Donuts by where I am

[dire spear]

krispy cream couldnt compete with timmys here and didnt last

[forest edge]

@tidal bronzewe'll have to get some donuts when you come.. that way you can live a little

[prisma briar]

Voodoo donuts in denver used to be open 24/7 and if you went in at like 2 AM you could get a 5 gallon bucket full of the previous days' donuts.

For $8

[tidal bronze]

I'd rather have a 0 sugar almond raspberry cheesecake.

[dire spear]

theres 7 left it seems and they amore mostly cafes now. ha

[forest edge]

the mom and pop donut places are the best.. they always give out remaining stock just before closing

[dire spear]

how do you have zero sugar in raspberry?

[forest edge]

barf you say?

[tidal bronze]

You need to visit LA more

[forest edge]

it's cardboard shaped like food

[dire spear]

fake rasberries, no thanks

i barely tolerate real ones

[prisma briar]

They put a raspberry in 100 gallons of water for 30 seconds then the water remembers the essence of the raspberry

[tidal bronze]

You can remove sugar from anything

[dire spear]

yes, but why? WHY!?

😛

[forest edge]

with consequences

[tidal bronze]

Why not.

When there's monk fruit

[dire spear]

its not natural!

oh, i have an apple. i forgot about it.

mmm

[tidal bronze]

Apple? Oh boy

[dire spear]

golden deliscious.

from the okanagan

[tidal bronze]

1978 yes

[prisma briar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6h6Um9Esg-I

[dire spear]

not an apple computer. id never buy one of those

[tidal bronze]

Blueberries, blackberries and strawberry, the only good ones to eat as they are.

[forest edge]

@tidal bronzeyou know they found out being vegan came with negative health effects.. sooner or later your "exotic" diet is going to show you it has down sides too you watch

[dire spear]

not big on blackberries. strawberries and blueberries are yum. i want blueberry bushes by my spot for them isnt ready yet

they take a few years to fruit well

[tidal bronze]

Sorry not vegan and never will be. But bo carbs or sugar. No thank you.

[forest edge]

not saying you are

saying you watch

lol

[tidal bronze]

I can't spend time in China if I am vegan. Come on now.

[forest edge]

your gonna be the poster child they serve up as the health warning to what they find out what long term ingestion of some of this shit does to the human body lol

[prisma briar]

I wonder what the long term side effects of SonomaGTS exposure are.

[tidal bronze]

If I fail you will be the 1st to know.

[forest edge]

higher IQ

[prisma briar]

A persistent cough

[tidal bronze]

One way ticket to middle earth

[dire spear]

blind rage

[forest edge]

you learn you can't always side step truths just to make your case seem correct lol

[tidal bronze]

@forest edge here's something to think about. I experienced your diet for years. But have you experienced mine? You have had to gone through something to compare I would assume....!?

[forest edge]

i have friends who had thier stomach pumped.. it didn't look fun to me

[tidal bronze]

Ah evading the point.

Typical middle earth.

[forest edge]

just cutting to it actually lol

[tidal bronze]

Having a weak stomach is a middle earth thing you know

[forest edge]

ok atx 2.0

[prisma briar]

omfg 80% of the country doesn't know a spice stronger than black pepper

It's so frustrating

[tidal bronze]

Come on now I didn't date middle earth to 2013

Ain't qualified to be ATX

[forest edge]

I doubt a single map in your state shows anything other than the two side coastlines lol

[tidal bronze]

Isn't it sad

[tidal bronze]

Map should depict what matters so yeah

[forest edge]

you show me one american who lived to be 100 or more that was on your diet

[tidal bronze]

That's not the goal.

[forest edge]

cause you can't lol

[dire spear]

black pepper is a bit too extreme for me

[tidal bronze]

Mr Dough

[dire spear]

im not even really joking. i have to keep it fairly minimal

i cant do hot spice at all

[tidal bronze]

Woah

[dire spear]

bbq potatochips nope

[forest edge]

moose is bland

[prisma briar]

Those are spicy?

[tidal bronze]

Now we know why you keep squeezing that dough

2 shakes of pepper and 3 donuts

[prisma briar]

I like mixing this stuff in with my salsa when I do chips and salsa https://www.hot-chili-sauce.com/hot-sauce/13-1574-blair-s-after-death-hot-sauce.html

[dire spear]

mmmm doughnuts

[tidal bronze]

You hard-core. 👍

[prisma briar]

I have a ghost pepper sauce that's about 10x that too

[forest edge]

@tidal bronzewhen was the last time you had a piece of bread?

[tidal bronze]

ezekiel ?

Or hero?

[prisma briar]

wonder

[forest edge]

is ezekiel even bread? like real bread

wait you eat wheat bread?

[tidal bronze]

Saturday evening

[prisma briar]

https://y.yarn.co/a6b872d5-d69b-4306-8389-68a214b1734b_text.gif

[forest edge]

yea that is not bread

[tidal bronze]

I know real can be confusing to middle earth

[static schooner]

It has a breadlike appearance. Could be 3D printed

[forest edge]

more cardboard

[tidal bronze]

Burgers all day.

[prisma briar]

Foamed grain-like substance

[dire spear]

fake bread

abomination!

without carbs i would wither away

[tidal bronze]

You will be surprised what tech can offer.

[forest edge]

not really.. i watch the news that show the deaths

[tidal bronze]

Grab a few ghost peppers on your way out.

[dire spear]

no

just

no

[forest edge]

do you have to close your eyes before every bite?

[tidal bronze]

Better than a classic.

You have to try it

[forest edge]

"I think i'm eating real food, I think i am eating real food"

[tidal bronze]

I pick lettuce wrap most of the time now and then Hero works

[forest edge]

aren't you suppose to just toss it all in a blender and drink it like other cali's?

[tidal bronze]

Sorry I am not the shake type. One meal a day and don't want it to be a damn shake.

[forest edge]

one meal?

you like 60lbs soaking wet?

https://tenor.com/view/moonisajedi-skinny-heart-gif-14001352

[tidal bronze]

Wine got calories so I gotta watch out.

[forest edge]

see there is nothing healthy about what you are doing lol

[tidal bronze]

Blood panel says otherwise

I believe in data.

[forest edge]

yea well there is more to health than a blood panel lol

so you narrowly escaped the common std's of california.. good for you!

[tidal bronze]

Quest mobile just rocks.

[forest edge]

the lab thing?

[dire spear]

i believe in carbs

[tidal bronze]

Yep home draw. Love it.

[tidal bronze]

What else when you have no fish

[dire spear]

carbs are my light and savior

[forest edge]

don't do home shit but we use quest here. i use it to skip any lines so i don't have to sit near other people

[dire spear]

need to maintain a healthy weight with 4000 calories a day

[forest edge]

thats gotta be a pretty penny to pay for someone to come to your home.. noway insurance covers that?

[tidal bronze]

Without spice you are pretty limited in your culinary spectrum. So there's that.

[dire spear]

spice isnt carbs.

need carbs

2L of lemonade, 450g pasta. then a nice big dinner

[tidal bronze]

Lemonade? Oh boy digging it deeper. Please continue

[tidal bronze]

Covered.

[forest edge]

interesting. I would think you would have to qualify for that

[tidal bronze]

Usually, yes.

At least I think so.

[forest edge]

someone cheating?

[tidal bronze]

Never

[forest edge]

they show up at your door and ask where the 80 year old is?

[tidal bronze]

With DOB verification how is that going to work. This is not barn country.

[forest edge]

dare i ask what this rich person exclusive health insurance company is?

i'm on surest and it's been the best i've ever had with covering just about everything but as far as i know as long as i am able to get out of the chair they will not cover inhome blood draws unless i had a condition that prevented me going anywhere

I would do inhome in a heartbeat if i could lol

[tidal bronze]

It's a plan. 😆

[forest edge]

oh something that seperate

then you are paying for it lol

[tidal bronze]

Corporate plan for wealth management sector.

[forest edge]

must be nice

i'm just glad my new one covers chiropractor visits cause I got tired of paying 40 bucks without insurance lol

[low harness]

A pair-square of pliers

[clever mortar]

A quad of pliers?

[forest edge]

a set of pliers

[iron granite]

A group of pliers

[sly solar]

Come on guys, everyone knows when the singular noun ends in a "s" the plural drops it... Two pair of plier.

[gleaming crater]

Lol my crazy neighbor got into a screaming match with his mom last night and then bashed out all the front house windows before heading down the street ranting about how it's his "confederate nra right" to be in his own home

[dapper quartz]

It's pluralia tantum.

[gleaming crater]

Two pairs of pliers is the answer GPT gives lol

[static schooner]

I prefer the technical term "a grimace of pliers"

or maybe it's an "unkindness of pilers", I keep forgetting

[primal laurel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pEqyr_uT-k

very epic

[last cedar]

Such a boring, but probably accurate, answer 🤣

[dire spear]

2 pair, usually a winning poker hand

[static schooner]

BTW, is that nonsense just an English thing? I learned a while ago that a "pair of pants" originates from when "pants" were essentially leg coverings with nothing connecting them, hence the "pair"

[dapper quartz]

No. The same tautology exists in Ukrainian language and somewhat used by older generation for nouns that doesn't have a singular form; and, AFAIK, it existed even thousand of years ago, in Old Church Slavonic.

[dire spear]

thats french though. soooo

[gleaming crater]

Really pair is just a colloquial term for anything with twin appendages I guess, even if it only exists as a singular item lol

[ocean oar]

See also scissors

I actually have a pair of kitchen scissors that comes apart though 😄

Great for being able to chuck them in the dishwasher

WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW?

[gleaming crater]

Kitchen scissors that don't come apart are gross lol

[low harness]

It’s a pair of pants in Swedish too, but only one scissor.

[dire spear]

not sure on that. most of these things, shears, pliers started out as a literal pair of separated items

[gleaming crater]

Despite the only utility is them connected lol

[dire spear]

well no

a shear is an industrial item. a single blade with a bolster. so a pair is 2 blades

[dire spear]

one shear

vs a pair

how come one mouse, mice. goose, geese... moose meese?

[dapper quartz]

Ancient shears were made from a single piece of metal. I must admit that watching the burning metal transform into an instrument under the hammer is a somewhat magical experience.

[gleaming crater]

That’s why they called that show “forged in fire” a cooking show for dudes

[dire spear]

ha

i have some o1 steel to mill into 2 chefs knives.

gotta get to that eventually. i sold my larger cnc though

[dapper quartz]

Blacksmithing is as hard as cooking.

[solar zealot]

Every raspberry pi not being sold is a good one

[dire spear]

please. its super easy. thats why the name smith os so common. anyone could do it

runs

[gleaming crater]

https://tenor.com/view/im-doing-my-part-serious-stare-gif-11979677

[dire spear]

O_o

[solar zealot]

I'm proud of this community

[dire spear]

whats wrong with pi?

[solar zealot]

Everything

[dire spear]

lemon pi. apple pi

[solar zealot]

It starts with not being a pie

And not having chocolate

[dapper quartz]

Easy? Yes, when you help the blacksmith. But to do it yourself, well... no one will let a beginner do it.

[dire spear]

did you try to eat one and now your bitter?

[dire spear]

it genuinely is relatively easy. but i might be skewed as i think most things are easy.

space travel... easy

😛

[sudden forge]

Eh. I did a one day crash course in smithing

[dire spear]

i crashed my cnc many times

[sudden forge]

I'd honestly say the barrier to entry is pretty low

[dire spear]

hehe

[solar zealot]

I saw how they do the molten glas art things, that's kinda impressive considering how low tech it us

Like it's all wood tools and stamps and water

[dire spear]

i had a glass shop. thats fun

[dapper quartz]

Back in time it was high tech, jokes aside.

[solar zealot]

Just that you can't turn off the glass stove because it would break itself is funky

I want this for pizza

Infinite pizza

[sudden forge]

Like the smithing I gotta do was of course no power tools, just burning coals, leather bellows feeding it more air on demand, manual hammers

[solar zealot]

No massive induction heater?

[sudden forge]

And I can certainly see that being a good smith or specialising down into weapons etc is gonna be a rarer thing, it's an art form

[solar zealot]

Power grids hate this simple trick

[dire spear]

um, no

[solar zealot]

Glass cat! Glass cat!

[dapper quartz]

And that's awesome. Just imagine, to compile something usable from nothing more than sand/ores/metal and hard work.

[sudden forge]

But a lot of the smithing that would have been done back in days past, wouldn't have been ornate art, weapons and other precision things

It would have been a lot more "we need this bracket", "we need 20 horseshoes", "make us some nails"

[dire spear]

meow

[sudden forge]

Turns out, horseshoes you can do with less than a day's experience

Bloody exhausting though

[dire spear]

i need 1600 horseshoes by monday

go

[dapper quartz]

«we need API integration», «make a simple CRUD for pizzeria», hmmm.

[sudden forge]

Dunno, generally came across as a skill that does have quite a low barrier to entry, but a long way to go to master

But not everyone had to be a master, only proficient in their villages needs

[dire spear]

well, its a bit like painting. takes a little learning to paint a wall. a lot of skill to do an a+ job. but then painting the monalisa is a whole different category

[dapper quartz]

The funny thing is that aforementioned Mona Lisa was nothing more than just another mundane order from a rich guy.

[dire spear]

those are the only people that buy art soo yeah?

[dapper quartz]

Sure. As nowadays, not everyone needs a georeplicated Cassandra cluster.

[sudden forge]

Interior decorators, those people you generally hire because you don't have the time, not the skill

And ya know what, no disrespect intended to them

[dire spear]

not getting this at ikea

(one of the more famous artists that used my shop)

[sudden forge]

Clearly we see value in paying someone else to paint our houses for us, or the career wouldn't exist

[dire spear]

i love how catty artists are though

i asked that one once about another piece in the shop how much it would be in her gallery "oh that wouldnt go in the gallerys i sell at"'

ouch

[dire spear]

well we see value in paying people to do wkrk we cant do outselves

most people see no value in art though

its kinda weird

pay $1000+ to paint a room, but an art painting? pft! $50 at ikea

[sudden forge]

But in a sense it's my point, pretty much anyone has the ability to paint a room themselves to a decent standard

[dire spear]

but not the time or the will

[sudden forge]

Bingo

I was quite proud of my handiwork on the last room I painted

[dire spear]

would you pay $45000 for that horse sculture though...

[sudden forge]

No

[dire spear]

me neither

(even if i was rich)

[sudden forge]

I have no interest in owning such a thing at any price tbh

[dire spear]

exactly

id take it as a gift

ha

but someone happily paid 45k for it

[sudden forge]

It's not that it's bad or I don't appreciate it either

[dire spear]

i only sold one glass work

[sudden forge]

But I look at it and just go nah, not my thing

[dire spear]

(well besides cats)

[dapper quartz]

most people see no value in art though

Of course. And somewhere between consuming luxury goods and mundane paintings lies the sweet spot for craftsmen and artisans of all kinds.

[sudden forge]

Friend is trying to sell some of her craft projects at various crafting fairs and etsy and such

Tbf at the crafting fairs doesnt do too badly

[dire spear]

glass has almost entirely died off as a skill

pottery is on the ropes

[sudden forge]

But regular complaint: oh its too expensive.
But folk dont appreciate that a lot of this hand made stuff takes a lot of time. She does factor in roughly how long it takes her to make it as an element of pricing, paying herself less than minimum wage

[dapper quartz]

pottery

Press [X] to doubt. Why do you think so?

[dire spear]

smithing there is still some work, for gates, railings, etc

[sudden forge]

Eh, even smithing for gates and railings, its more for the artful than the functional

Welder and some bar stock

Welding is a skill I'd love to learn, but right combination of time, money and space hasnt come up

[dire spear]

welding is extremely easy to learn

i learned to stick weld in about 15 minutes

takes a little longer to get good at it of course.

[sudden forge]

i'd like to make my own bike frame at some point

[dire spear]

cause all the potters i know are now doing tv work

ha

[sudden forge]

Nothing fancy, just hey look, I made a real basic steel frame

[dire spear]

that is harder. but not bad. you need tig, cause the metal is very thin

i have a tig kit, and also a torche for brazing. but i havent had a place to use it lately

[dapper quartz]

Well, maybe, but not all of them. It may turn, and, in fact, turned into a niche art, but, say, handmade onggi pots are quite popular nowadays.

[sudden forge]

I'm in a small rental house without space for proper workshop stuffs

[dire spear]

there will at least 6 or 7 in my building. all unemployed now. haha

well, unemployed from pottery

many of them made custom tableware for local restaurants.

[sudden forge]

kinda neighbourhood where just getting a jack out to work on your car gets you looks of being a fucking weirdo

[dire spear]

https://www.hannunlyn.com/

hannun looks to have started up again. i think just in her house

she does porcelain mostly

[sudden forge]

See that I am more likely to welcome into my house than the horse 😛