the-water-cooler

[forest edge]

compared to me.. yea.. accurate

[solar zealot]

You are welcome to donate to my onlyfans

[static schooner]

Gotta prove the last part

[solar zealot]

People need to pay to stop me from uploading anything

[primal laurel]

OnlyRaccoons

[solar zealot]

I'll prepare intentionally wrong ha tutorials

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/txtgiris-gif-22859780

[solar zealot]

[tidal bronze]

Shampoo for body?

[static schooner]

Don't kink shame

Maybe he's a werewolf

[tidal bronze]

Hmm, it's a thing it seems elsewhere lol

[static schooner]

Body wash

[tidal bronze]

Ah

[static schooner]

Becoming more common at hotels

[tidal bronze]

Yes but it's Shampoo Conditioner Body Wash in hotels.

Going to keep an eye out for body shampoo

NVDA good times.

2019 seems ions ago 🙂

[solar zealot]

if it smells nice and foams it will be used to clean

it doesnt matter what exactly they call it as long as its liquid

[tidal bronze]

Oh body wash

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/so-you-think-you-can-dance-smell-spray-body-men-gif-3463867

[tidal bronze]

So you into soul-glo?

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/soulglow-look-back-thunder-gif-12810359

[wet cairn]

Is there a discord server people would recommend for just self-hosted/home server stuff in general? A lot of my questions seem more relevant to that than HA specifically.
(In my case, it's a Linux server, and most of my stuff is on docker containers)

[glacial knot]

D: I like solid ones. Or recently jellies

[forest edge]

no one stop shop as far as I am aware but then who knows. have you tried searching?

[ocean oar]

https://discord.gg/homelab
But it seems to be mostly a mix of complaining, zealotry, and shit-talking.

[wet cairn]

Thanks for the warning, lol!

[prisma briar]

Among other issues, yea. My biggest issue is the neutral to this outlet is broken, ground and neutral are bonded in most boxes, so the neutral for this outlet is coming from a downstream light that has neutral and ground bonded. That half-ass ground joint was acting neutral.

[static schooner]

Bunch of Arch Linux users, eh?

[prisma briar]

And I don't know where in the run neutral is broken, not going to rip up drywall to find, just going to run a new MC cable to it.

[tidal bronze]

Neutral broken? You mean disconnected?

[prisma briar]

Yea, the wire was broken somewhere and disconnected.

And because of awful wiring it was using ground instead

[tidal bronze]

Broken? That's a first. Did someone screw through 14

[prisma briar]

Not sure, but I don't have continuity on that one wire, I do on the other two in the bundle.

[static schooner]

I can see a mistake when cutting through drywall, but unlikely to affect just one wire in a romex cable

Could be a loose splice somewhere, hopefully in a box

[tidal bronze]

I put my money on splice

[static schooner]

I've done that and had to hunt it down

[prisma briar]

If it's a splice it's not in a box

[static schooner]

Usually the last box that I meticulously just closed up

[prisma briar]

I'm pretty sure it's a direct run with no splice

I don't see where a splice would be, but also the previous owner here sucked

[tidal bronze]

So bad grub screw at the panel?

[static schooner]

Almost all my circuits are daisy chained through other boxes

[prisma briar]

Seems tight in the bus bar.

I'm pretty sure the neutral wire is broken somewhere.

[tidal bronze]

The usual

[prisma briar]

The previous owner here ran a subpanel then ran individual outlets off the subpanel, no daisy chaining other than lights off the outlets.

[static schooner]

You could attach a toner and go hunting

[tidal bronze]

So this terminates at the panel and no jboxes at all?

[static schooner]

Often ends in sadness and failure

[prisma briar]

Yea, panel<->outlet

[tidal bronze]

Interesting.

[prisma briar]

It's all really poorly done.

I found the no neutral/bonded ground issue when trying to replace an outlet with a GFCI and in use cover

[tidal bronze]

Screw through or someone got too happy with an oscillating saw. 14/2 breaking is not common.

[last cedar]

Hope you have smoke alarms and up to date insurance 😦

[static schooner]

Yeah, the only remaining option is that a raccoon chewed through it

[solar zealot]

you must be the enemy of the people

[static schooner]

I have an Ethernet device that tests continuity and estimates where a break is

[tidal bronze]

So after all these pictures do you have one at home?

[last cedar]

A raccoon? I am working on it

Oh!

[tidal bronze]

come on now.

Still working on it?

[prisma briar]

You can get traps at home depot if you want your own

[last cedar]

3x6kg fire extinguishers, 1x2kg fire extinguisher, multiple fire blankets and a smoke or temperature detector in each fire cell, if that is what you meant 😄

[tidal bronze]

@last cedar we need to see your own tripping one of those hue motion sensors.

[solar zealot]

coozy fire blankets

[last cedar]

I have proper detectors, nothing zigbee, all goes back to a proper certified alarm system with a proper dialer

[tidal bronze]

Celebrating Nvidia. Almost as big as Canada. 🍷

[prisma briar]

I have zwave smoke/co detectors

But they also operate standalone

[last cedar]

I am not knocking that sort of detector btw

I work with that stuff so I have decomissioned stuff, repair damaged ones etc, so I only use what I have

[tidal bronze]

Same here, centrally connected fire alarm. I am not going to trust anything else.

[solar zealot]

i heard the tuya smoke detectors also produce their own smoke

[last cedar]

I do weekly tests on a random detector and maybe test them all once every so often

[tidal bronze]

Oh, comes with easter eggs 🙂

[solar zealot]

the fire alarm ones will trigger fire alarms

[tidal bronze]

How about not setting fire to things when you cook?

[solar zealot]

if the pan doesnt melt on the gas stove, is it really cooking?

[tidal bronze]

The truth!

Mic check! Middle earth?

[forest edge]

the ground like that is not a big deal. that looks to be a metal box so regardless those suckers are going to be touching in some means or another. just doesn't look pretty.

if this is off a subpanel then the neutral and ground being bonded prior to the main panel is a no no tho

[ocean oar]

Lol, when you upgrade your natural gas stove to oxy-acetylene?

[tidal bronze]

Leave NG alone!

@forest edge did you get some of that NVDA love?

[static schooner]

Only multitaskers allowed in the kitchen

[prisma briar]

They're bonded almost everywhere in this room, lol.

Only found one box they're not bonded in

[forest edge]

no i shot myself in the foot eons ago when google was giving away shares and just dwelled over it since forcing myself to not invest in anything else since

[tidal bronze]

That's a bummer

[forest edge]

I take it your invested?

[tidal bronze]

Happy days. Waiting for wife. She went 3x and out with friends now. 😦

Supposed to bring me lunch.

[forest edge]

this was me but with google all those years ago lol https://youtu.be/VuvFpn61h_w?si=JSgCaMQTF7_uOs1g

still kicking myself

[tidal bronze]

I thought BTC was it. This was better.

[solar zealot]

thats where all the fancy food comes from

[forest edge]

I wouldn't invest in bitcoin if it was the only currency left.. stupid shit

[tidal bronze]

I can't complain at $12

[forest edge]

it's like spaceballs movie.. selling cans of air you open just to breathe in

https://tenor.com/view/spaceballs-president-clean-air-can-gif-23137839

[tidal bronze]

It's amazing how air can convert to SQft

[prisma briar]

This is how that circuit was wired, btw.

The switch being the breaker, the white being broken before the outlet.

[tidal bronze]

So it's not direct to the panel?

[last cedar]

I assume you don't have furry paws? I don't do it on purpose!

[tidal bronze]

I do

They always brown out next to a wok

[prisma briar]

It's going to a subpanel that's direct to the service panel

[tidal bronze]

Tone it out.

[prisma briar]

I'm just gonna replace the bundle. It's only like a 25' run.

[tidal bronze]

Best way to go.

[prisma briar]

The cost will probably be a wash between replacing the bundle and cutting a hole in the exterior of my house and patching it/painting over it afterwards to repair the existing bundle.

But a new bundle sounds like I'll be leaving less unknowns

[tidal bronze]

My route if it's single story

[prisma briar]

Single story, entirely outside run, can run from the sub panel to the outlet with one piece of flex conduit I already have.

I just need a new wire to pull through the conduit

[tidal bronze]

New conduit, pull string + shop vac = WIN

[forest edge]

not such a huge ordeal with it's to main panel but subpanel they should not be bonded

@tidal bronzewhat the hell happened to @dull chasm ?

[tidal bronze]

I have no idea. Must DM and check

[prisma briar]

I have a fiberglass cable puller I generally use. Might try some twine with a shopvac though.

[forest edge]

jesus 400 amp service

conflicted if I would like my breakers to be in the garage or not

ok I kind of get 400 amp service with car charger and like an extra hvac unit but 600 amp service in residential home is nuts

thats 120 breakers spanned across 3 200 amp boxes lol

[prisma briar]

What even uses that? Multiple EVs plus multiple electric instant hot water heaters?

I feel like I could do a decently sized office building off of 600A.

Or like a complex of welding shops

[forest edge]

rich people

@tidal bronze probably has a 600 amp service

[dire spear]

i melted an aluminium pot on a coil electric stove once. it was interesting

[dire spear]

600 is kinda crazy. maybe the have a factory in the basement.

[prisma briar]

I was thinking like 20 stories, lol.

[dire spear]

ha

my work shop was 600v and a few thousand amps

3 phase

6"x1" solid copper bus bars 800 feet long.

when they tore it down every scrapper tried to bid on it

[ocean oar]

Back of an envelope, about $70-80k per bus bar?

[prisma briar]

🙃

Whoever wired this was a moron.

[forest edge]

life isn't perfect. your gonna find that out at some point lol

[prisma briar]

k

Not sure how that's relevant to me mocking a previous homeowner's shoddy electrical

[forest edge]

thats not really shoddy

[prisma briar]

Yea it is

[forest edge]

it's perfectly legal to transition into just romex when passing into a wall

[prisma briar]

Are you missing that two of the conductors are cut through?

[forest edge]

I can't really see that, thought you were refering to the termination

[forest edge]

is that ive?

live

[prisma briar]

Not anymore

It was and that ridiculious bonded ground everywhere was providing neutral to everything

[forest edge]

welll i couldn't see that before. thought you were mocking him cause of the transition

that looks like smart siding so that has had to been done in the last 10 years

not sure what that brown shit is

rotton wood

[prisma briar]

Water damaged wood I think

Might be mdf or something too

[prisma briar]

Lol, he just drilled a hole in the subpanel instead using one of the factory ones on the bottom

[dire spear]

a lot, yeah

[iron granite]

<@&330946878646517761> spam-alert again - user Snark (already gone)

[snow hedge]

Jeez, the Valetudo dev is nuts. Me and my friend got banned from the Valetudo telegram group for asking if Valetudo has SSL support, then he wrote this big long diatribe on the FAQ https://valetudo.cloud/pages/faq.html ( "Why is there no HTTPS support?" ) which is all just turbo wrong, kinda tempted to post the chat log on reddit or something.

He also accused me of gaslighting him because I didn't know what webserver was running on the robot 🤦

[gleaming crater]

Wow that page is insane

When I got to the “why is there no reboot button”

[dire spear]

sound sounds like a well adjusted person

[snow hedge]

Not the first time I've seen crazy stuff from him, there was this as well https://github.com/Hypfer/Valetudo/issues/1664 🤣

[gleaming crater]

Yeah that guy needs mental help

This guy seems big mad that people don’t all want it exactly the same way he does

[snow hedge]

Pretty much, but also the stuff he was saying about SSL is bonkers, like just secure your network then you don't need ssl 🤦

[gleaming crater]

Yeah he’s probably insufferable as fuck in person

[snow hedge]

Also his diatrabe on the FAQ about SSH, but SSH works exactly the same lmao

[gleaming crater]

Glad I didn’t get a vacuum and root it with that now

Seems like a toxic waste project

[snow hedge]

It kinda is yea, I see continually people asking for reasonable features and getting shouted down, eg people wanted support for multiple floors and his answer is in the FAQ, just buy more robots, no I won't accept a PR for this

[gleaming crater]

Or just fork it and cut that guy out lol

[snow hedge]

I think they kinda did with ValetudoRE, in the README it has a massive list of features that landed in ValetudoRE first and then was ported into Valetudo

He seems to just hate self signed certs or adding a root CA, but this is like, industry standard and everybody does it

[gleaming crater]

I’ve known people like that and they refuse to take any outside input because they think they have all the answers already

[snow hedge]

Me getting banned, not allowed to talk about HTTPS 🤣

[gleaming crater]

Yeah fuck that guy lol

[dire spear]

how come home assistant doesnt use ssh?

[snow hedge]

Kinda tempted to post it on reddit or something, because like, this bad behaviour from him has been going on for a while, not just this, but other things too

[dire spear]

i wouldnt bother. people like this are... nt worth engaging

[snow hedge]

we're not just big brain enough, clearly we need to get rid of the evil HTTPS and use SSH tunnels, that'll make things easier

also valid tbh, I have a full time job and shit to do. I really wish there was a non-shit robot vacuum on the market. Sometimes I get tempted to try and build one, I know I'd struggle with a lot of it, but I think with some learning and big time investment, I could do it

[dire spear]

when you expose someone like this, they are more than likely to say "fine, app gone"

[snow hedge]

tbh not wrong

[dire spear]

there is a high likely hood is software developers having some issues. its a job that draws those people. which is good. but they can also occasionaly go off the rails

they need real life help, not a reddit interfention

[snow hedge]

🤣 amusingly, my job is software engineer, I'm just not an asshole about it

[dusky plank]

My 5c: the code is online. Take it and do what you want. Thats probably what he thinks anyway, afaik that guy is a good hacker and thats maybe what he prefers to do instead of maintaining code for everybody

[dire spear]

this person probably doesnt thing they are an asshole either

[snow hedge]

he did say he was being an asshole, so he does recognise what he's doing and choose to continue anyway 🤷

[dire spear]

ah

i still say, take the high ground and move on

[glacial knot]

Most of it is correct
The domain isn't a unique id though

But public PKI https really isn't well suited for local networks
And whether you should use 0-trust or DMZs is a bigger discussion

[snow hedge]

I was tempted, but, honestly I'm not sure what good it woud do:

A) I implement SSL, and I'm forever maintaining a fork of Valetudo with SSL support
B) He takes the code and integrates it and acts like it was his idea all along

Might as well just do as ihavenofish says, move on. Maybe one day I'll make a robot vacuum myself 😄

[gleaming crater]

He seems like the type to reject any PR he doesn’t agree with

[snow hedge]

yep, he does this

[gleaming crater]

https://tenor.com/view/beccaea-twitch-fork-gif-24094798

[snow hedge]

Imo there's nothing wrong with just putting a self signed cert on the robot and accepting it in your browser, for this use case it's perfect, secure, and just solves the problem.

[glacial knot]

oh yea, I think it should be allowed when the hardware is powerful to support it
He just dislikes the run a local CA and dismisses it. But he does point it out in the FAQ as potential workaround he didn't want to implement

[dire spear]

just make your robot vacuum autonomous with no connection. that way when it becomes sentient it cant access any other systems

[snow hedge]

To be clear, by "run a local CA" he means, add a root CA to client machines, like you'd do in a commercial network for example deploying it to all machines on the LAN so that you can generate your own trusted certs

[glacial knot]

I have setup LE with dns01 and could even generate a specific one to push onto it that's accepted by public PKI. But I wouldn't expect "normal" people to do so 😂

[dusky plank]

I don‘t see a problem still.
If a project is in need of something that the dev doesn‘t want it usually ends in evolving new project. taking the spotlight as soon as people realize that this satisfies their needs

[glacial knot]

well yea. If you just want to click past the warning every time, kindly fuck off. You add nothing

I will actively yell at people that design systems that teach users (if only themselves) to ignore security warnings

[snow hedge]

yea but for selfhosted stuff it's fine, eg unifi controller by default has a self signed cert

arguably self signed cert is better than unencrypted 🤣

[glacial knot]

it's ok~ish (though I still hate it) to provision things. If you run it in production you are doing yourself a disfavor

in practice, no. Which attack does it protect against?

[snow hedge]

yea I agree, it really depends on your use case. If you're running a robot with 1-2 users, fine, if you run a website and want people to view the website, obviously not fine

[gleaming crater]

Just put the robot in its own vlan and use nginix proxy

[glacial knot]

no. DO NOT teach users to ignore security warnings

[gleaming crater]

Like you would for HA

[snow hedge]

Loads of stuff, might as well not have a password on it without SSL, can just sniff the password

[glacial knot]

tell me a specific attack scenario you think it protects against

[snow hedge]

I just did?

[glacial knot]

no

"just sniff" isn't an attack scenario
Which powers does that attacker have? And why do you assume it's not enough to run e.g. ARP poisoning to be mitm?

Do you check the cert fingerprint every time, to make sure it actually ensures you aren't re-routed?

How many full passive attacks on personal networks do you know? That work on non-broadcast media?

[snow hedge]

So obligatory am web dev, you probably know more than me, but:

A real world scenario I'd think is an attacker sniffing WiFi packets, so they are able to see the data going to and from the robot, unencrypted, with this data they could then login to the robot and perform further attacks with it as a base

Also, if you accept a self-signed cert in the browser, afaik that means it still checks the cert right? you've accepted that specific identity, not any and all identities going forward. Identity verification is still in place?

[glacial knot]

Nope

If they can sniff the wifi, they can ARP poison you

[snow hedge]

I don't know a huge amount about ARP poisoning, but I would expect that SSL would protect you from that?

[glacial knot]

Only if you validate the cert

[snow hedge]

Which the browser would be doing, apart from on the first time you approve it, right?

[glacial knot]

No

browser doesn't TOFU certs

[snow hedge]

TOFU?

[glacial knot]

Trust On First Use
That's the security model of SSH

~somewhat handwavy. It's the default for smaller/non-professional setups. More professional setups generally distribute the hostkeys in other ways, or (rarely) use signed ones

[snow hedge]

Ah yes, imo that is the same thing, accepting it manually in the browser, vs trust on first use, there's not a huge difference here imo. But yea, you would have to trust it on first use somehow, although my argument was that you generate a cert, transfer it onto the robot, and then you can trust that cert because you generated it.

It's still secure, you know the cert is valid because you created it, the encryption is in place, the identity verification is in place, and from what you say, it sounds like ARP poisoning also wouldn't aid an attacker

In general though, I do feel like local services should use HTTPS/encryption, we've had plenty of history of credentials being leaked by people sniffing data on networks.

Or at the very least, provide the option to use

iirc, SSH also asks you if you want to trust it on first use, which imo is even more akin to what a browser does

[gleaming crater]

I mean these days it would probably be trivial to setup acme.sh right on the robot

[glacial knot]

Clicking past the warning in the browser doesn't add trust for that specific cert, but you have to click past every time.
iirc. FF offered to trust it at some point. Might still have the setting. But normal browser stuff isn't built to work that way

don't get me wrong, you can absolutely build something that works well.
But the default tooling doens't work for it with x509/browsers

[snow hedge]

So if you generate a self signed cert, and then trust that in your browser, it isn't trusted forever in that browser? I really thought that was the case

[gleaming crater]

With a dns challenge a bot could get a cert without any port forwarding

[glacial knot]

And the added protection against only passive attacks isn't worth teaching users to ignore warnings.
Some might be aware of when they enter important data (like passwords), others aren't. And if they see and click away the warning daily, then it might give them enough pause when it happens on an important site

[glacial knot]

You can add it to the trust root. But it doesn't by default if you just click "Advance" in the popup

[snow hedge]

yea, I mean nobody was saying include any documentation on how to generate a SSL cert in valetudo, I feel like that's way out of scope

[snow hedge]

fair, TIL

[glacial knot]

like said, FF might offer it, and it might have done by default it at some point. But Chromeium based ones don't

[snow hedge]

Also, when you're talking about threat models and you're talking about typical home users and likelyhood of attacks, I agree with you in general, however, people do exist that actually are much higher profile targets and want to step up security

[glacial knot]

oh yea. I would totally want them to offer proper TLS cert support

And those people should do proper.
I'm just annoyed by forced snakeoil certs

[snow hedge]

snakeoil cert being self signed and the browser not trusting them on an ongoing basis?

[gleaming crater]

Any self signed yeah

[glacial knot]

yea. Iirc. nginx on debian uses that term by default 😂

[gleaming crater]

You know other industries have awards like the razzies or the fallon d’floor award, someone needs to give out awards to toxic GitHub devs

[snow hedge]

Fun yea I just hadn't heard it before, that makes sense, I did expect that like, you generate a cert, you say the cert is trusted, end of discussion. Apparently that's not the case, and I agree that's annoying.

[glacial knot]

I wouldn't call it snakeoil if distributed by some device management. Or trusted by an experienced user

[snow hedge]

🤣

[glacial knot]

yea, if it was that easy, the rant would be way off^^

doing x509 well in a multi-device setup is actually quite annoying

is a system eng (officially infra, somewhat security) eng

[gleaming crater]

Unless you have strong MDM already in place lol

[snow hedge]

I think if it was me, I'd probably just generate a self signed cert, and have my reverse proxy trust that cert, and then access the bot via the proxy from then on

[glacial knot]

Onboarding and initial trusting can still be a bit painful

[snow hedge]

for me personally like, I have my own domain and just use letsencrypt, job done. But he also seems to hate that approach as well

[gleaming crater]

There are some commercial solutions for certs but they add up quick

[glacial knot]

For work, they actually had me something like video-ident life and then activate the hardware key to provision original credentials

Pre-covid it was in-office with govt ID^^

[gleaming crater]

For a bot http challenge seems crufty

[snow hedge]

yea, I wouldn't include letsencrypt on the bot I think, storage space is super at a premium

[glacial knot]

doesn't generally work with boxes behind residential NATing routers.

[snow hedge]

but nothing stopping you from having a "chuck your cert here" box 🤣

[gleaming crater]

DNS challenge is best challenge lol

[glacial knot]

and I don't want to hand the bot (easy to steal, probably no HSM) the keys to my domain

[snow hedge]

I'd give it its own subdomain myself, always do subdomain per thing.

[glacial knot]

I have a subdomain per network split and then hostnames on those

[gleaming crater]

I do internal https on everything but it’s thru an nginix reverse proxy and vlans internally

[snow hedge]

yea, same, but traefik, and instead of VLANs everything is on the same physical machine so just uses docker networks

[glacial knot]

istio since I run a k8s cluster. For reasons., and everything on oauth2/oidc on authentik

HA is one of the few things I haven't actually pulled onto that though

[snow hedge]

Internet -> Router (port 443) -> Home server (Traefik) -> Service (docker)
Or, if it's not a public service
Internet -> Router (port 51820) -> Home server (Wireguard) -> Service (docker)

[glacial knot]

ah yes, wireguard 🙂

though I terminate wg at the router, don't run it to any specific device

[snow hedge]

Home assistant not supporting oauth is another peeve of mine, there's a forum post up titled open letter about authentication, but HA devs think that only commercial users want it so they won't implement it 😦

[glacial knot]

🤷 If I cared enough, I'd write an auth plugin

[snow hedge]

Do it and I'll buy you a beer 🤣

I want authentik + homeassistant myself

[gleaming crater]

It’s an area where the lead devs seem almost as toxic about the subject t

[glacial knot]

I can write you a bill at my current salary 😛

[snow hedge]

🤣

[gleaming crater]

You’d have to update all the mobile apps too

[glacial knot]

🤷 I could do android.

[snow hedge]

Yea, also just to save you both a bunch of time, authentik has documentation for how it works with home assistant, it doesn't work, don't do it

[glacial knot]

oh yea, jellyfin is also slightly weird. That's not on OAUTH, it uses the ldap integration

[snow hedge]

Yep, been there with Jellyfin too 🤣

[gleaming crater]

I’d pay for nabu casa again if they committed to the feature or made it premium

[glacial knot]

but it's in the central user management. Which I care about more than the SSO
I don't use FIDO internally, so it's fine

[snow hedge]

for reference, authentik+home assistant with the proxy and home assistant companion app:

1. The boxes for entering credentials appear off screen. In order to enable debugging you must first sign in
2. Through bullshittery, we managed to get debugging enabled. Me and a friend worked together and managed to modify the CSS to get the boxes to appear on screen
3. Yay, I can login. Except, it randomly forgets and logs you out. When it does this, it opens the authentik login page in an external web browser, so logging in is pointless. The only way to get out of this broken state is to clear app data

[gleaming crater]

For the record that auth thread was the reason I canceled my nabu casa subscription lol

[snow hedge]

oof 🤣

Yea I hope one day someone forks and adds oauth support or something

[gleaming crater]

It’s too big of a project to fork

[glacial knot]

^^ I just don't want to pay for the cloud
If they had an on-prem focused subscription, I'd go for it

[gleaming crater]

I was just paying to support the project lol

But their attitude on oauth soured me

[snow hedge]

I have been tempted to pay to support the project anyway tbh, apart from the silly oauth nonsense, things are pretty good

I mean if home assistant went away I'd be crying myself to sleep

[glacial knot]

at some point I need to build some mqtt libraries so I can integrate with HA in different languages, and without forcing myself into the same process context

[gleaming crater]

Same, I will pay real money for enterprise auth!!!

[snow hedge]

If it's helpful, I have some MQTT example code in Python on my github that can connect to HA and make new devices, I use it to start applications on my PCs, eg press ikea button on my sim rig -> boot pc, start f1 2023

[glacial knot]

Not being bound to python is part of the idea^^

[snow hedge]

As a toxic software engineer, I say that not using Python makes you a bad engineer, and that you should only do things the way that I like to do them 🤣

[glacial knot]

🤷 corp says to use go

Though I prefer Haskell myself

[snow hedge]

Outta curiosity is there some fancy thing you're planning on doing that makes the library you're building work in multiple languages? or are you just planning on building libraries in a different language

[primal laurel]

Python, rust, Julia is all i need

[snow hedge]

Python is all I need because I haven't got around to learning Rust yet

[glacial knot]

Maybe some openapi (rather just jsonschema) specs to allow at least type generation
But I'm not aware of anything abstracting mqtt

[gleaming crater]

I mean isn't the whole point of mqtt is it's about as thin of a pub/sub api as you can get?

[glacial knot]

it's kinda just a transport? 🙂
the actual protocol on top can be pretty complex

[gleaming crater]

I thought it was invented for satellites to minimize overhead

But given it's basically api transport, yeah the implementations can be all over the place on how they use it exactly

[primal laurel]

MQTT over tcp has quite large overhead for iot

[gleaming crater]

Well tcp has quite a bit of overhead all by itself

[glacial knot]

You'd be surprised :/

[gleaming crater]

This one thing is claiming IoT devices save 30% battery using mqtt over udp lol

[primal laurel]

when I was benchmarking protocols I found CoAP with DTLS and ack to be the best overall

but I was mainly interested in battery life

[glacial knot]

I'd expect the silly thing some Mi devices do to be best there

Just throw out an unencrypted broadcast on event change

[gleaming crater]

Someone told me once Blue Origin rockets take off with a packet storm of UDP broadcast messages

Tho any IoT wifi device will get beat all day long vs a zigbee chip in terms of power

[primal laurel]

Nothing beats BLE

[solar zealot]

You may be thinking about dds

something something like https://github.com/eProsima/Fast-DDS

[forest edge]

these "smart" end tables the woman bought is so dumb. the "smart" aspect was it included a RF smart bulb that came with a remote lol

I should be thankful.. it could have been something you couldn't replace and just end up as trash after a few years

[solar zealot]

You are in luck if it's an RF remote and not IR

[forest edge]

IR would have gone in the trash right away

annoying enough as it is to control the light having to use a remote but having to aim the remote to do it would be too much for me

[solar zealot]

Also if it's sunny outside those lights do whatever they please

I had led strips which turned on and changed colors during the day if I didn't unplug them

[forest edge]

can't say I have ever seen that

[solar zealot]

Im pretty disappointed in the hue ones sadly

For 50 bucks a meter they didn't manage to add proper adhesives

[gleaming crater]

The aluminum track kits are a must have for led strips in my opinion

Also extends strip life acting as a heat sink

[solar zealot]

Seems fair

[gleaming crater]

Then you get a diffuser too

[solar zealot]

I ended up not having strips but buying the old triangle nanoleafs and sticking them on a big ass metal sheet

Let me find an kmage

[gleaming crater]

I think I paid 20 bucks for 30 feet of corner track

[ocean oar]

We've got an alcove seat on one side of our lounge, I managed to find a nice 45° diffuser so an LED strip could be hidden in the top

[glacial knot]

X. Found the Musk fan 😂

[solar zealot]

I might replace them with the new shapes they have at some point, but I'll don't like to have the pain again cutting the magnetic tape

[prisma briar]

Your windows should filter out IR and keep them from bugging out

[solar zealot]

polished stainless is pretty great to have 😄

[solar zealot]

Tell that to the ir strip

[prisma briar]

I'm just wondering what they messed up to cause that

[glacial knot]

might just be the receiver having a bit of a wide range

also, I think our windows are mostly UV filters. Not sure how much IR they actually filter out

[prisma briar]

Hmm, looks like glass is more specific on the bands of IR it blocks than I thought

[solar zealot]

I do be a bit in love with the cob style strips. Can't wait to see those show up in rgba

[glacial knot]

You can get glass that filters IR pretty well. Usually to also keep some heat out. But it's not the default

[prisma briar]

I know mine look like a wall when viewed through an IR camera

[glacial knot]

drywall paper wall, or real walls? 🙂

[prisma briar]

Lol, looks like a solid surface with no variance depending on what's behind it.

[ocean oar]

They market it as "Low Emissivity" (or "Low-E") glass here, not sure if that name's universal. Has an IR-opaque coating, and generally the space between the double-glazed panes filled with Argon instead of just air.

[forest edge]

maybe invest in some curtains?

[ocean oar]

But then how will people watching through their telescope see me doing the helicopter in my living room? 😉

[prisma briar]

Could probably just keep the flashing party lights if you're doing that

[forest edge]

i have a neighbor up the street that has a huge bay window with no blinds or curtian. at night you can see their entire living room and like half the kitchen with just a glance

no way I would ever feel comfortable doing that

[prisma briar]

My curtains default to closed. Every once in a while I open them but since my TV is basically unusable with them open I don't keep them like that

[glacial knot]

Tiny weener energy

[forest edge]

yea blackout curtains are kind of a must in living rooms with tvs

[ocean oar]

I live way in the 'burbs, on the side of a hill. Nearest neighbours who could see into the house are on the other side of the valley, about 200 metres away.

[forest edge]

so nature is your primary peeping toms?

[prisma briar]

I have two tiers of windows in my livingroom, ones about 4' off the ground and ones about 12' off the ground, I have transparent curtains on the top ones to let light through and blackout ones on the bottom so I can see the TV

[forest edge]

nothing like scratching an itch on your balls while a deer watches

[prisma briar]

Yea but then you also get to watch the deer scratch his itch too

[ocean oar]

Lol, don't get deer. Occasionally the neighbours' chickens wander up onto our deck and get into a staring contest with our cats

The occasional possum, but they only come out at night

That's this kind of possum, just for the record: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_brushtail_possum

Kinda cute, but massive a-holes

[glacial knot]

so, children?

[prisma briar]

Or racoons

[solar zealot]

I love how they look

I hope he doesn't notice we ate all the drugs

[primal laurel]

drugs? what drugs? I didnt see any drugs

[young sigil]

Nowhere near as smart as raccoons.

[prisma briar]

racoons outsmarting kids would be a great subreddit

Oh, you meant possums, not children

[young sigil]

I meant brushtail possums, but yeah I's sub to that. I have a brushtail that likes to stomp around on my roof. No idea why. There's nothing up there for it. Just an a-hole.

[prisma briar]

Where I grew up had issues with woodpeckers pecking on it all the time

For no benefit

[young sigil]

They were trying to get to the tasty human meat inside.

[static schooner]

they thought it was just soylent green

[solar zealot]

Aren't possums the ones that will absolutely bite you

[solar zealot]

What are your guys view on getting one of those weird china atx boards with mobile cpus for a nas

[forest edge]

just get you a normal used pc and use that. way more uses beyond just a nas

[solar zealot]

Suspiciously high power consumption is what I would like to avoid

It's sitting there keeping track of my files, it doesn't need to be a space heater doing thst

[forest edge]

I don't really find my old broadwell being that much of a power hog

but as I said, it's for doing more than just nas

[solar zealot]

Sadly there isn't that much data available for ATX boards on power consumption

Like the CPUs will totally go idle on 5ish w and less

[forest edge]

personally I'd rather combine multiple tasks rather than having like seperate device for each

like a router/nas would be better

[solar zealot]

Kinda makes sense

[forest edge]

unfortunately the those micro computer that uses older mobile and atom cpu's had become popular and thus drove up the price to the point where I don't think the hardware justifies the price tag on most I seen anymore

[solar zealot]

I'll guess I could check used PCs to gut the hardware and then somehow figure out how to get a hotswap bay case for the storage

Might be the cheapest option

[young sigil]

They're mostly vegetarians (will eat insects) but yeah they will sometimes bite if you get too close. They're the good sort of vegetarian though - they won't lecture you about it.

[solar zealot]

Oh I was thinking about the wrong one I suppose

[young sigil]

Opossum v possum.

[forest edge]

we got the one's on the left

[solar zealot]

Intentional misleading:D

[static schooner]

The one on the right is an overgrown mouse

https://tenor.com/view/officespace-oface-orgasm-brian-showhermyoface-gif-8112180

[forest edge]

this is what scares me about getting older and not able to do all the things I use to be able. https://youtu.be/HlZmk6yXCFs?si=F6rew2zpGN86vb1B

just can't blindly trust paying anyone for any kind of service anymore unless you just happen to know them prior

[young sigil]

It's a marsupial, not a mammal. Also it sounds like a demon has a furball stuck in its throat.

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-18351237

[dire spear]

an opossom is an irish possom

[young sigil]

Two Irish arborists, Mick and Paddy, were down at the employment centre when they noticed an add for tree fellers. Mick turns to Paddy and says "'tis a shame there's only two of us".

[tidal bronze]

@static schooner no cart worked!!!!

Heavy cream and half & half., only!

[tidal bronze]

They do strange things in middle earth huh?

[forest edge]

i doubt that video took place anywhere near midwest

south carolina

so coastal state.. better double check your workers work lol

[tidal bronze]

The accent gave it away. We don't have those problems here.

se habla espanol and you are golden

[forest edge]

so only those who don't speak spanish have to worry? lol

[tidal bronze]

Nopes. Nothing to worry at all.

[forest edge]

news pouring out of that state would suggest otherwise

[tidal bronze]

Whats news?

[forest edge]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/37/Bury_your_head_in_the_sand.jpg

[tidal bronze]

This is why I take my team from SoCal to do all the remodels no matter what state it is.

[forest edge]

because your already use to the bad workmanship no reason to change it up?

I wouldn't trust any construction crew from another state due to the simple aspect that every area is different. better to have someone who actually knows the area to avoid unforseen issues

[tidal bronze]

Come on now bucket stilts

[forest edge]

I think there was a video on this very subject about a bunch of houses that were built in both texas and california by workers from outside the states lol

wasn't those ones there in califronia where the ground is literally falling out from under them done by a crew from a diffrent state? lol

poor saps probably thought they were building on dirt when in reality there is no dirt in califronia.. just dirty looking sand

[solar zealot]

Some might say that the issue ain't the sand but the location in the first place
I wouldn't know

[forest edge]

inspectors in califronia https://i0.wp.com/lessonsfromtheendofamarriage.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/pcfv01p10_15.jpg?fit=418%2C279&ssl=1

[tidal bronze]

The magic of sand. 27% of US produce comes from this golden sand.

[forest edge]

yea i'd have to see some multiple sources to comfirm that.. sounds a little too high of a percentage lol

you might turn out some grapes and oranges but everything else.. mehhh

[solar zealot]

Sand is just the budget snow

[tidal bronze]

Yep, meh

You want some of this sand in KC?

[forest edge]

generative ai? you ask chat gtp to conjure that farce up? lol

[tidal bronze]

Your hate make us produce more. Keep at it. ❤️

[forest edge]

here you go. educate yourself https://www.vox.com/a/explain-food-america

[tidal bronze]

2014. The best you got?

[forest edge]

you think your state or any state for that matter can move faster? lol

that data hasn't changed much

well maybe for your state.. the fires, then drought, then floods and maybe back to drought?

lmao

[tidal bronze]

Lmao. You crack me up. Move out from middle earth. There's much to see more to learn

[forest edge]

not according to the data

[tidal bronze]

Stop using data from 2 decades ago.

[forest edge]

I think the reception of your phone while your head is in the sand is a little shoddy lol

[tidal bronze]

Think about it. From Almonds to ios and android. The golden state for sure.

[forest edge]

Texas you say

good state that texas

[tidal bronze]

Lmao. I rate states from property values. How about the Austin

[forest edge]

thats a poor way to do it.. look at NY rotf

[tidal bronze]

Oh boy, Nolan can't script this debacle

[forest edge]

those people can't even breathe the air outside

[tidal bronze]

Too funny

Done cooking. Gotta finish up my wine and have dinner.

[dire spear]

i designed a hobbit door. 74" tall.

😛

[tidal bronze]

Awesome

[forest edge]

is that what candians call it?

whats a normal door there look like? round in shape?

[tidal bronze]

You gotta show love to middle earth.

[dire spear]

sadly this is for my mud room. the floor got raised 6".

and apparently in this country you cannot buy a plain slab door you can cut. (you can in the usa easily).

[forest edge]

standard approved canadian door https://www.mirror80.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Pee-Wees-Playhouse-door.png.jpg

[dire spear]

so i guess i gotta make ma own

[tidal bronze]

@static schooner Creamy garlic mushroom chicken with spinach, roasted beets with broccoli. Wanna sign up for the meal service?

[forest edge]

why is the broccoli bigger than the chicken?

[dire spear]

im doing panko breaded chicken, but i have not decided what to pair it with yet. i have brocoli, pasta, and that aboot it

[forest edge]

candian accent slipped in through text lol

[tidal bronze]

+1 for Panko. I coated with all purpose flour, Parmigiano Reggiano, paprika, salt, crushed chilies and pepper.

[dire spear]

no one in canada has ever said aboot. we only now say it as a joke

[forest edge]

https://youtu.be/-8haHgfq2x4?si=0VETFMyRU6a80MjJ

[dire spear]

panko, coarse ground pepper. relatively basic chicken tenders. pasta might be parm/cream based (alfredish). brocoli and maybe some diced bacon. mixed into the pasta.

or i can do a tomato rosemary rigatoni and lay the chicken on that.

im running out of stuff hahya

[tidal bronze]

This would be my choice

[dire spear]

i hope the rosemary is still alive. it was not happy in the cold last week

[tidal bronze]

Although I would go for herb de provence instead of rosemary

[dire spear]

its tomato passatta and fresh rosemary, reduced, then blended with cream. kinda in the vodka sauce territory.

quite good. the rosemary is potent

thats all the ingredients i have at the moment though

[tidal bronze]

Deglazed with wine I assume

[dire spear]

no wine

[tidal bronze]

Wowza.

End of the road then.

[dire spear]

no alcohol

banned

😛

[tidal bronze]

There is no alcohol when you deglaze

[dire spear]

thats a misconception. you have to cook for a looong time (hours) to get most of the alcohol out

[tidal bronze]

That's the whole point.

[dire spear]

this is a 10 minute sauce

[tidal bronze]

If you have any alcohol remaining, yep you should not use wine. Who wants bitter food.

[dire spear]

well, maybe 20

i could also just be lazy and do a mac n cheese bechamel

kraft dinner and chicken fingers for grown ups

haha

hmm, i wonder where the mouse got it

[tidal bronze]

Mac and cheese???? Oh boy we can't continue this discussion. Sorry.

[dire spear]

if i call it fetuccine alfredo does it make you feel better?

[tidal bronze]

Still the same. No Alfredo please.

[dire spear]

ha

breaded chicken i do think goes better with tomato

[tidal bronze]

Try bucatini a la puttanesca next time.

[dire spear]

i did bucatini with tomato garlic romano sauce before.

with mushrooms

i have to remodel my kitchen soon, si it will be pizza hut every day for a few weeks. haha

(ok no)

[forest edge]

one day you are going to eat good food and your head will just explode

https://tenor.com/view/expression-ecstasy-turned-on-turn-on-yassss-gif-13519828

look at these spammers getting thick the past few days

[tidal bronze]

Pizza hut? What? You gain respect and then become a disappointment in few seconds.

[dire spear]

hehehe

in my defense, pizza hut in canada is quite different here. its much better tasting than it is down there

dont really know why

dominos is horrid

[forest edge]

biased taste buds

[dire spear]

ha

thats the only 2 big US chains up here

[forest edge]

careful tho, could be an early sign of cancer

[tidal bronze]

There is no reason to eat from any fast food place or chain in 2024.

[dire spear]

this is true

[forest edge]

like in n out?

[dire spear]

but when you have no kitchen for a week you are a bit stuffed

[tidal bronze]

I hear you. Make sense.

[dire spear]

when i worked in the office i would go to the grocery store and buy croissants and ham and swiss and fruit etc. similar price to fast food, but so much better (office has a full kitchen)

[tidal bronze]

When Tony eats there, every chance he gets, nothing fast about it.

[forest edge]

too bad your arteries don't see it that way huh

[dire spear]

only pizza i had in LA was CPK (meh). BJ's (yum). solernos (across from the lot, not very good)

[forest edge]

BJ's yum huh

this convo getting weird now, back to watching tv

[dire spear]

oh, and a chicago style place which was good

the places around the lot are pretty aweful

but there was no time to really go anywhere else

[prisma briar]

Dominos is in the running for the worst pizza you can get down here too

[forest edge]

another thing that had gone to shit over the years

[dire spear]

and this is AFTER they 'improved" it

we have a chain here called pizza pizza (not little ceasars) and i think id rather eat the box

[prisma briar]

There's a lot of shitty pizza around

I generally go to a local chain

[dire spear]

pizza nova is a local "big chain" that is pretty decent

[prisma briar]

Old Chicago used to be good but their response to Covid was to give up on quality and now most are closed

[dire spear]

how does that even work?

no money and custoemrs fine. shut down. but how do you lower quality?

[prisma briar]

Food prices went up during covid, they tanked their quality to keep prices the same.

[dire spear]

oh

thats... a choice

[prisma briar]

It didn't work out for them.

I ordered exactly once after they redid stuff

[dire spear]

yeah. not that i can pretend to know what the right decision was back then. but that was an obvious wrong one

pizza chain prices here have not changed a lot. it went from $9 to $10 and now $11 for a walk in special pizza.

so its up, but not so much people will stop buying

grocery store frozen pizzas went waaay up.

like $10 now for a shit frozign pizza

[prisma briar]

Yea, I noticed that

Who is even paying for those

[dire spear]

i havent bought one in maybe 10 years

[prisma briar]

If I'm spending that much I want real food

[dire spear]

i used to buy the mini pizza when i was a kid

[dire spear]

yeah. my home made pizzas cost $5 ish

kraft dinner is $2. real bronze die pasta is $1 (for equal amounts)

makes no sense

[prisma briar]

Yea, a tube of premade dough, can of sauce, cheese, and meats are less than a frozen pizza and are basically just as fast to make

You can make the entire thing in the time it takes the oven to preheat

[dire spear]

premade dough is $3 for 2 pizzas here. so even if you cant make your own the frozen makes no sense

i will say frozen costco croissants are pretty good though (to move off topic)

i have to make a journet to business costco end of the month. mostly for cheeses and croissants. meyer lemons if there still are any

[ocean oar]

I was looking for this video earlier but couldn't find it.
Possums:

[static schooner]

nice of them to stop and get their picture taken

[ocean oar]

First time I saw one of them (had sent a motion alert for the doorbell camera), I had a that's a weird looking cat moment

And then she seems to have come back with baby in tow

[umbral cliff]

NZ gets the same kind of possums as Australia then I'm guessing

[forest edge]

crazy how much those things kind of move and remind me of racoons.

[forest edge]

@prisma briarhere you go to follow up on that discussion the other day. https://youtu.be/pA-DJfj9vns?si=nPJ-0yQfV1bJ8pkU

oh wait. nm you had two lines from two breakers

[solar zealot]

The genius invention to burn your house down

And this time it's not even tuya

[gleaming crater]

It's more like "what if I hardwired an ugly power splitter"

kinda like those 6-way outlets that screw into the faceplate

[solar zealot]

The only real recent 'invention' is rotating ones

So it's not just always in the way of the next one

[gleaming crater]

I have a bunch of power strips with sideways outlets... because of the power bricks.... that now themselves come sideways lol

About the only place I could see someone installing that quad outlet is a garage.... where code typically requires GFCI

[prisma briar]

Yea, I wired them up as a multi-wire branch

[dire spear]

a lot of time plugs are deliberately designed to block the other outlet. because they need to be on their own circuit

like my dishwasher

it is diagonal

[prisma briar]

The mwbc outlets part thankfully didn't have fixing a bunch of stupid involved, that was another circuit.

I just had to mount a new box for that and run like 2' of conduit

The outlet I thought was going to take me longest to install took like 10 minutes, the one I thought was going to be quickest is still pending, lol.

[dire spear]

i need to reroute some 240v 30A runs under the floor to an island. i am expecting that to be annoying. i need to cut an 8" wide 7 ft long strip out of the floor and then patch it.

bleh

[gleaming crater]

I assume you're going to re do flooring after?

[dire spear]

yes all new flooring so thats fine

you cant get under the floor to work, so only optoin is to cut.

[gleaming crater]

I need this startup to get funding so I can afford to replace my kitchen lol

40 year old cabinents and a drop ceiling are killing me

[dire spear]

im not replacing my so much as rearranging. all the same cabinets and appliances. just new locations

i do need to make new coutnertops

[gleaming crater]

I want to go ham and vault the ceiling in my kitchen/dining room/living room half of the house

[dire spear]

oof

[gleaming crater]

I'm 6'8"/2m tall, I hate being able to touch the ceilings lol

[dire spear]

i am sorta doing that for a second floor. it is not simple

[gleaming crater]

Oh I know I'd have to bring in a pro for that

Right now it's a sea of blown insulation above those rooms

[dire spear]

you need to add a supported ridge beam.

[gilded portal]

Anyone else??

Mural server is Home assistant but I imagine it’s not for something good

[dire spear]

you bragging about having friends again?

runs

(and no, never heard of this person)

[gilded portal]

Oh ok. Just thought it was spam

[gleaming crater]

For the inside of the ceiling after vaulting?

[static schooner]

@gilded portal unsolicited DM?

[dire spear]

top of roof, BEFORE removing the ties

[gleaming crater]

Oh because the ceiling needs a new support point if you take away the a-frames inside the attic that makes sense

I have a supremely accessible house for living in the city, they could pull a crane right up to the side here

[dire spear]

beam in the middle. with 2 posts cause it cant span 24 ft. and the red knee wall because the rafters cant span 13 ft unsupported.

no crane needed. you do it from inside

[gleaming crater]

Ahh sounded like it was ontop entirely lol

[dire spear]

you then need to figure out how to insulate the ceiling. you may need to add deeper rafters (furring). then a ridge vent.

its a huge job in other words

$50-100k if you paid someone to do it all

[gleaming crater]

And that's before I replace my kitchen lol

[dire spear]

ha yup

im doing it mself so its a little different. and im putting my insulation outside, on the top of the roof (thats 7k on its own)

[gleaming crater]

I'll get there eventually, right now it's not in the budget because I only bought this place 2 years ago and immediately took a pay cut to work at a new startup lol

[dire spear]

i have to replace my main floor. all the joists. so moving my kitchen is prep for that. and i hope to get the roof insulated this year.

everything else is "future"

[gleaming crater]

Oh yeah, between the kitchen, ceilings, new siding, and landscaping I want to do it's a laundry list

[primal laurel]

average dutch height

jk

[dire spear]

siding. bleh. dont remind me. i need to remove the asbestos (covere i n vinyl) and then do stucco or cedar

at the end of all this my house will functionally be brand new.

ha

[gleaming crater]

Flying thru dennmark was the only time I didn't feel overwhelming tall

[gleaming crater]

My house has 40 year old cedar, the south-facing wall is basically balsa wood at this point from all the sun exposure

[dire spear]

cedar is nice. lasts a long time.

well. in the right climate

[gleaming crater]

Yeah but it cannot take that much direct sun that long

The other walls are still in great shape

[dire spear]

my asbestos is almost 80 years old

but.... asbestos

[gleaming crater]

Lol

[dire spear]

seems like it will cost 4-8k to remove it

(have to pay someone)

[gleaming crater]

I wonder if my house used to have those asbestos popcorn ceilings that got removed at some point

[dire spear]

my house is too old for most asbestos things luckily. only got the siding

[gleaming crater]

I've been eyeballing the pre-painted concrete board siding

[dire spear]

is had drywall which was new and cutting edge

[gleaming crater]

Stuff lasts forever supposedly

[dire spear]

thats basically the same stuff as asbestos

[gleaming crater]

Just less cancer-ey

[dire spear]

yup

although you get silicosis from too much of that

the threshold is just way higher

[primal laurel]

lol. You would also be considered tall here. Im about 185cm, I have a couple colleagues around 2m. About 7% of men here are around that height

[gleaming crater]

I'm sure it would be easier to find clothes over there, here everything tall is also big

[dire spear]

my cousin is 6 3 (girl). i think she is tallest in my family

[gleaming crater]

If I want a shirt long enough it's also the shape of a circus tent lol

[dire spear]

my grandmother was 4 foot 9

[primal laurel]

for sure

https://www.reddit.com/r/AbsoluteUnits/comments/s3mlzd/dutch_guy_in_filipino_mcdonalds/

[prisma briar]

Hmm, does the average counter height depend on country?

Never thought about that before

[gleaming crater]

Hello, I need 70% of whatever is already cooked in your restaurant

[primal laurel]

definitely

[dire spear]

yes. as soon as you cross the border gravity is higher and people shrink

[gleaming crater]

I had to make my deck guys go to the limits of railing height they would build

[primal laurel]

I have some pictures of my dutch friends visiting vietnam, very funny

same thing at the ATM at a gas station in the US strangely

had to squat

[upper nymph]

This isn't related to Home Assistant per se, but y'all would probably be able to help me brainstorm this...

So I have an old OnePlus One lying around and I was thinking of jerryrigging some kind of rear passenger display thing with that phone for my Tesla Model Y. I want to give people at the back the ability to control their seat heating and the back vents. Anyone know if something like this would even be possible? What kind of apps would I need? I already have Teslamate running, I have it publishing to MQTT inside home assistant, I have the Tesla home assistant Integration via HACS, and I even have a commander from enhauto (the one you use for S3XY Buttons).

I know I could simply buy one of those hanshow displays, but the point is partly to tinker and partly to just use the hardware that I already have lying around

[dire spear]

height is a mix of genetics and nutrition. my grandmother was a poor kid in the 20's. she likely would have been 3-4" taller if she had better food.

[gleaming crater]

My rearview mirror is a huge blind spot for me, any car coming from a road to my right can hide entirely behind it

[gleaming crater]

I chugged milk growing up like it was water, I'm sure the hormones over here didn't help

[dire spear]

ha

possibly

[gleaming crater]

RBST powered lol

[dire spear]

my mom is 5 '1

but they all moved to the big citeh

[gleaming crater]

People genuinely can't help but laugh when they see me going in or out of an airplane bathroom, it's like watching a giant stuff himself in a tiny closet

[dire spear]

and the kids are all 5'5 minimum

up to 6'3

[forest edge]

phones surprising make horrible tablets over time.

[dire spear]

clown car.

[gleaming crater]

I do drive a 2 door mini cooper

[prisma briar]

Every phone I've tried using as a dashboard has failed within 6 months

[dire spear]

actually. whats funny is my friend says one of the few cars he fits in is the mini

hes 6'7

[prisma briar]

Screen burn-in, battery bloat, charging port broke

[gleaming crater]

It's cuz they're german now lol

[primal laurel]

and natural selection. Tall men get more children on average, because... women

[dire spear]

well thats genetics.

but food plays a big part

japanese people are apparently on average getting taller because they are adopting a more diverse diet

[gleaming crater]

Low protien intake is a huge factor to overall height

[primal laurel]

no not perse, but they are related ofcourse

[dire spear]

americans are just full of hormones from milk apparently

😛

[gleaming crater]

The first 10 years I actually drank mostly raw milk lol

[dire spear]

thats why canada bans US dairy

raw milk is banned here too. (unless you own the farm)

[gleaming crater]

We bought from a farmer down the street

[primal laurel]

since 2001 we have shrunk 1 cm on average due to immigration

[prisma briar]

You can buy raw milk from farmers here but not in stores

Tried it once, didn't care for it over normal pasteurized milk

[gleaming crater]

It's tooootally different and an acquired taste for sure

[dire spear]

need to rake more forests

um

what:

[gleaming crater]

I grew up skimming the cream off raw milk to make ice cream

[dire spear]

ha

[primal laurel]

wut

[prisma briar]

It's also not worth the like 70 mile drive it takes for me to get to a farm that sells direct to public

[dire spear]

dont worry about it

[gleaming crater]

I buy lactose free milk because I don't like to become a fart trumpet

[prisma briar]

I got some of those lactaid pills

[dire spear]

famrs arent allowed to sell raw milk here. and yes, they DO get caught and face huge fines

[gleaming crater]

That's where regulation has gone too far

Just have strong liability laws instead of heavy-handed regulations

[prisma briar]

We can get raw eggs from farmers here, too. Only way to get unwashed eggs.

[solar zealot]

wait there is lossless compressed milk

[dire spear]

that has never worked in the history of ever

[prisma briar]

Yea, that's a huge source of corruption

[dire spear]

you are allowe dto have up to 4 chickens here. new law

[prisma briar]

My parents can have chickens at their house but I don't think I can where I am

[dire spear]

raw is not compressed

[gleaming crater]

Until you get regulatory capture and the big players are writing regulations to keep out new competition

[dire spear]

i dont eat enough eggs to warrant chickens.

[dire spear]

thats more of an issue with your government. not ours 🙂

[prisma briar]

I'd rather have that then strict liability, lol.

[dire spear]

anyhow

[gleaming crater]

lol

[dire spear]

point is, our milk is really only 2 types. regular pasteurised and fine filtered pasteurised

uht is not common

[prisma briar]

We have a few variances on fat levels in the milk too

[dire spear]

oh, yes.. we have that of course

[gleaming crater]

I don't get the milk in clear jugs, it's got a wayyyy shorter expiration date vs paper cartons

[dire spear]

milk comes in bags here

[gleaming crater]

madness lol

[dire spear]

hehe

[gleaming crater]

At least they figured out a whole recycling chain for the tetrapacks we use for milk and stuff

[dire spear]

we have 2l cartons. but they are changing to hdpe bottles

(not clear)

[prisma briar]

Most milk jugs where I am aren't clear either, they're a semi-opaque white.

[prisma briar]

Don't think I've ever seen milk in a clear jug

[dire spear]

thats what i normally buy

[gleaming crater]

Light is bad for milk and makes it spoil faster

[dire spear]

expensive, but i dont use enough milk to get the 4l bags

[dire spear]

that bottle lasts 2-3 weeks.

when i was i LA the milk there would last 2-3 days tops

[prisma briar]

I generally get half gal/1.8l jugs

[dire spear]

and tasted weird

[prisma briar]

2-3 days is what I'd expect from unpasteurized milk

[gleaming crater]

Lol apparently they make building materials out of recycled milk cartons here

[gleaming crater]

Like does everyone have a story of busting a new bag of milk up there?

And then 4l of milk spilled all over my car

[dire spear]

they dont bust. but what happens is when they get down to 1/4 full the whole thing flops out of the pitcher

[prisma briar]

They put their tacos in bags too

[dire spear]

whats a taco?

[gleaming crater]

while pronouncing it tayy-co?

[prisma briar]

Tayco in a beeg

[dire spear]

haha

[gleaming crater]

Oh that

[dire spear]

ive never seen that before

[gleaming crater]

That was like some college started that

[dire spear]

ah

tacos arent big here.

[prisma briar]

My brother lives about 100 miles south of winnipeg and gets one of those whenever he goes up

[dire spear]

O_o

[gleaming crater]

The funniest was the episode of the great british baking show where they made them make tacos from scratch, it's like those brits had never seen a real taco before

[dire spear]

ive never seen that in winterpeg

[prisma briar]

I've never been ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[dire spear]

apparently is form a burger joint in peg

[gleaming crater]

It tripped me out when I found out Seattle is most known food-wise for chicken teriyaki

[dire spear]

figures

[dire spear]

most of the "ethnic" foods youll have are never from that place

[gleaming crater]

The style around here was invented by a local joint, you can still go eat there

It's nothing like what you'd get in asia lol

[prisma briar]

Chinese Checkers is German

[dire spear]

hawaiian pizza is canadian.

[gleaming crater]

German chocolate cake is american lol

[dire spear]

black forest cake

yeah, my german dad liked it but it was definitely not german in an way

[static schooner]

read that over the weekend

[dire spear]

ha

apparently what i call "pancakes" is a german type of crepe

never intended to be served with maple syrup for breakfast

ha

[gleaming crater]

I'll never forget the shame of going to a soul food restaurant and them bringing our table out a flat pancake lookin thing

[upper nymph]

watchu mean? 😄

[dire spear]

i do love marzipan though

[gleaming crater]

My wife and I put butter and syrup and ate it, then told the restaurant "that was a tasty pancake" at which point all the employees died laughing because it was a cornbread cake

[prisma briar]

syrup on cornbread still sounds good

[dire spear]

what is labeled "sushi' in a grocery store here is american. "fettucine alfredo" here is american cream sauce

[dire spear]

yeah id eat it

[gleaming crater]

Oh it was tasty af but supposed to be bread on the side with the ribs and stuff lol

[dire spear]

yeah

theres a place in LA called roscoes chicken and waffles. yum

[prisma briar]

A lot of bbq sauces are basically just syrup on ribs

They're bad but that's what they are

[dire spear]

i put maple syrup on ribs (while baking them)

[prisma briar]

I was talking more about those 'bbq sauces' that are basically just ketchup and brown sugar and more sugar

[dire spear]

also add maple syrup to bbq sauce for grilling chicken.

[dire spear]

yeah

[prisma briar]

My area has some pretty crap BBQ

[dire spear]

i only get ribs when they are on sale for $3

[gleaming crater]

That's the same as the bad teriyaki places here, just sugary sauce on chicken

[dire spear]

the last few years they have been unreasonable expensive

[gleaming crater]

A smoker is something that can be quite easy and/or cheap to build, there are some clever barrel smoker designs

[primal laurel]

we eat a lot of 'sugarbread'. Have never seen it in another country but its very good

[dire spear]

brioche?

or something else?

i like brioche. i bake is usually to make french toast

[prisma briar]

One of the guys I rent a room to has a smoker

[primal laurel]

no not brioche

[prisma briar]

Something he got on craigslist for cheap

[dire spear]

i dont have a smoker by i have a nice bbq. gotta get back to using it in a month or so

[primal laurel]

it looks like this

it's bread, but it's almost like cake

[dire spear]

huh

sooo, wonderbread

[prisma briar]

I have one of those common webber grills myself

[dire spear]

😛

[gleaming crater]

I love my oklahoma joe combo smoker and gas grill

[primal laurel]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suikerbrood

it has a wiki page apparently

[gleaming crater]

https://tenor.com/view/old-man-diabetes-diabetus-intensifies-gif-11779996

[primal laurel]

but its so good

[gleaming crater]

Over here mcdonalds would be making a breakfast sandwich out of it lol

I mean they did with blueberry fucking pancakes

[dire spear]

my dad used to buy a marzipan loaf. i wonder if its based on the same thing.

[gleaming crater]

Marzipan is almond based isn't it

[dire spear]

yes. it had a wrapping of marzipan. but it was a sweet bread inside

as oppoed to a cake i think

[primal laurel]

you mean like this?

[dire spear]

no

[primal laurel]

middle part is also made of almonds

[dire spear]

yeah. thats totally different

[primal laurel]

similar taste to marizpan

[gleaming crater]

Looks like a marzipan log in the middle

[primal laurel]

but different texture. Bit wetter

[dire spear]

this had chocolate on it too

i guess it is cake

been a while

[gleaming crater]

I tried searching for a 'wet' gif but none of them are suitable for this channel lol

[primal laurel]

this one is called stol (or stollen). It's german, but we eat it a lot too

[dire spear]

i hate cakes like that.

[gleaming crater]

You'd love r/fondanthate

[dire spear]

i want to EAT cakes and those fondant/butter cream disasters taste vile

[primal laurel]

we dont eat fondantcakes that often

vlaai is more popular

[gleaming crater]

My sister use to make fancy cakes with marshmallow fondant, wayyyy better tasting

[primal laurel]

I prefer vlaai

🤣

[gleaming crater]

Sooo... pastry?

[primal laurel]

noooo, vlaai

[gleaming crater]

Pastry with filling then lol

[forest edge]

phones are not designed to have the screen always on, charger always connected. the internal battery aspect of it alone is just a bad idea for the application you are trying to achieve

[primal laurel]

vlaai. Since this year officially recognized by the EU now as a regional product

[gleaming crater]

So it's only Vlaai if from Limburg province, otherwise it's just a filled pastry?

Lol

[primal laurel]

if it's prepared in the authentic way yes

[dire spear]

thats call a pie. sorry

[gleaming crater]

Looks like sideways challah bread lol

[primal laurel]

no, vlaai. sorry

[dire spear]

pie

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-4095597578532971838

[gilded portal]

Nope

[dire spear]

i am an official pie expert and i know a pie when i see one

[dire spear]

brioche. was good. need to make it again once there good fruit in the store

(or garden)

gotta make this again in may

[gleaming crater]

My wife is the baking queen around here

[dire spear]

this cake is pretty nice. is a mud cake. 2 whole lindt bars in it

ha

[primal laurel]

you will never guess what the yellow stuff is

[dire spear]

strawberries are mascerated in vanilla and maple syrup

[forest edge]

mustard

[dire spear]

urine? (or mango)

[forest edge]

pastry costs anymore is just stupid

[primal laurel]

lmao

[forest edge]

6+ for a single cookie.. wtf

[primal laurel]

it's this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advocaat

[dire spear]

egg nog

"A crispy puff pastry base with chocolate, a layer of pastry cream and eggnog. Finished with whipped cream and burnt almond shavings"

[primal laurel]

close, but no. This is older than the US itself...

[forest edge]

what a statement

[dire spear]

eggnog is not american. and that word means egnog

and your description is that of eggnog

[primal laurel]

It's the truth

[gleaming crater]

Prob less cinnamon and nutmeg tho

[primal laurel]

It's not eggnog

[prisma briar]

I drank too much hard eggnog once, now I can't stand the idea of even tasting the stuff again.

[dusky plank]

is it eggnog?

[forest edge]

you seriously need to up your education lol

what you linked stated the year lol

[static schooner]

Took me many, many years to appreciate wine after drinking most of a box of wine in college. It's a thing

[dire spear]

the description on the page with that image says eggnog. that is the english translation of that word.

[static schooner]

Same with Uni and Sushi

[primal laurel]

No it's not. This is not eggnog

[dire spear]

you are indenial

[prisma briar]

What surprised me was that too much hard eggnog was substantially less than for any other alcoholic drink for me.

I only had like two small cups of it

[glacial knot]

It lists it as related product. Not translation

[glacial knot]

all the sugar!

[primal laurel]

I had eggnog. This is nothing like egg nog

You can't even drink this

[gleaming crater]

yeah eggnog's main flavor profile is cinnamon and nutmeg lol

[dusky plank]

so it is undrinkable eggnog

[dire spear]

haha

[glacial knot]

that's just eggnog

[primal laurel]

Okay for Americans it's eggnog. For everyone with a brain it's not

[prisma briar]

racist

:P

[primal laurel]

I was specifically referring to sonoma. I think he lacks a brainstem all together

Truly a special kind of stupid

[upper nymph]

What would be a reasonable solution, you think?

[forest edge]

riiight.. you were just 100 years off is all

no biggie

[forest edge]

you might want to do some deep google searching cause you are certainly not the first looking for a solution to that issue. I know some had created app's for like android or something in the past. not sure if those stille xsist tho

[upper nymph]

Any Googling I do ends up with a boatload of for-sale ready-made solutions like this one lol https://www.amazon.com/Hansshow-2016-2023-Touchscreen-Passengers-Conditioning/dp/B0C98YV4MT?th=1

[gleaming crater]

They might have more ideas in #diy-archived

[upper nymph]

Good point 😄

[forest edge]

@primal laurelyour not the first foreigner i've run into that thought the US was established in the 1970's so don't sweat it too much lol

[upper nymph]

Just wasn't sure if it'd be the right channel for it since this isn't HA specific

[glacial knot]

Depending on the phone, you might be able to limit the max charge in some bootloader menu.
Always on display isn't an issue with newer phones. But dunno if you have one of those laying around for projects

[forest edge]

well something like that would be way better for the long run and worth going over some cheaper DYI that i promise will leave you having to mess with a lot then ultimatly remove anyways

[upper nymph]

Fair enough. I mean if using a phone is a bad idea, then that defeats half the purpose to begin with 😛

[forest edge]

yea phones look promising for a lot of applications.. like when they came out with that app to turn them into a ip camera but it never lasts

[glacial knot]

depending on how much you want to tinker, the solution might well be android in the end either way. So you probably wouldn't lose much to try with the phone first

Also reading your initial question, you don't want to always on. So you really only have to care about whether the battery is an issue. Is the OPO one easy to remove? Then you don't run risk of spicy pillows

[primal laurel]

It said 17th century. Did you read that?

Yes production was later

[forest edge]

do you even know when the US was established?

you can use that same wikipedia site to look it up

if you need

[glacial knot]

do you know what the 17th century is?

[primal laurel]

1776

[gleaming crater]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/17th_century

[primal laurel]

Hahahahhaha

This is gold

Thanks for that

[forest edge]

your whole statement hinges off a few words giving a broad dates range in the 17th century yet nothing is produced till the 1800's

[primal laurel]

Oh my god

You genius

I'm done

[gleaming crater]

https://tenor.com/view/correct-futurama-the-best-kind-of-correct-yes-yep-gif-5787390

[forest edge]

you should be