the-water-cooler

[sudden forge]

its just that the contact is also arranged slightly differently

And yeah our sockets are shuttered, the earth pin has to at least mechanically be there

[forest edge]

maybe one day you guys will upgrade to less than car sized plugs and outlets

[sudden forge]

They actually arent that much bigger than a US plug

Like they are bigger, but the difference isnt super absurd

[forest edge]

all the images i've seen they are yuge

[sudden forge]

Trying to think what universal constant item I have here for scale rather than meme of banana for scale

[prisma briar]

They are huge compared to a US plug, lol

[sudden forge]

its most of the EU plugs I hate

Deep receptacles and such, kooky things

But at least we do have the simplicity here of everything is just 240V

Just single phase

[forest edge]

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/91BT2waAVdL._AC_UF894,1000_QL80_.jpg

i mean

that is huge

the plug is the same size as that adapater

I did read your plugs are way harder to accidently trip over and yank out of the outlet.. not sure if that's a good or bad thing tho

[sudden forge]

Dunno, why are you running the cables in a way you can trip over them

also though, big downside

They have a tendancy to sit on the floor prong side up and act as caltrops

[prisma briar]

You can get US cables that come out parallel to the wall that are way less likely to pull out too

Like those

[sudden forge]

screw stepping on a lego brick, stepping on a british plug, that can literally break bones in your foot (known folk to do it)

[prisma briar]

I stepped on a US plug a couple weeks ago and it left two scabs

Just broke skin though, didn't go in

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0B2WD2GLV

It was the plug on that thing

[sudden forge]

plugs themselves are pretty overbuilt for their rated current, on purpose

you do get people doing a naughty naughty and running >13A through them in industrial settings

When we have 16&32A industrial plugs available....

[solar zealot]

Found the guy who doesn't appreciate cee plugs for home appliances 😄

[prisma briar]

I had to yell at my friend for running 1500w of fishtank heaters, an air compressor, and a circular saw off off a single 15a receptacle through a bunch of extension cords here

Got an alert from HA that a circuit was overloaded and he was pulling like 2500w from a single plug

[sudden forge]

the industrial plug we use (or use outdoors) is interlocked and water resistant though, at least when mounted properly for the latter

[forest edge]

i like my 360 outlet for my chest freezer and fridge downstairs

they even make some extension cords now with 360 heads

[solar zealot]

Sounds interesting

[prisma briar]

That overloading stupidity is what I'm trying to fix by getting tons of power out in that room, btw

[sudden forge]

interlock specifically so you could unplug while its raining or something without risking conducting live electricity through the rain water on the plug

plus comes in a 3 phase variation, got one of those in the cupboard

[forest edge]

15amp breaker should have tripped around 2k watts

[prisma briar]

15a receptacle on a 20a breaker

[forest edge]

ew

thats asking for trouble

[prisma briar]

I didn't wire this shitshow

[forest edge]

i'm sure it will be fine. i'm just being over dramatic

[prisma briar]

Yea, 15a on a 20a circuit is fine per code, he was just constantly overloading it

[forest edge]

the plug will melt before the breaker trips but outlets same rated properly do that as well

[forest edge]

as long as there are multiple daisy chained.. that is the key

[sudden forge]

there ya go, want a big plug?

[forest edge]

we have huge speaclized plugs

[prisma briar]

All of the outlets in this room are from the subpanel to a single outlet, heh

[forest edge]

plugs for like 10g and lower will be quite big

[sudden forge]

This isnt particularly specialised, we basically only have 4 plugs in the UK that are standardised

A legacy lighting only plug, the standard 3 pin, this 3 phase beast and the single phase version of it

you got an RV or caravan with an electric hookup on it? It'll have the single phase version of this

[forest edge]

we don't do standardized outside of 110v lol

seen so many diffrent style rv plugs and generator outlets to make your head spin

[solar zealot]

Ye that be cee plugs aswell

[sudden forge]

This bastard does 32A per phase

and with 3 phases at 240V each in UK...

Casual 23kW plug

[prisma briar]

There's standardized outlets for 240v here

[forest edge]

for certian things sure

[solar zealot]

There are supposedly ones with do 63/64A

[sudden forge]

Yeah >32 enters non standard land though

[prisma briar]

lol, fair

[solar zealot]

I wonder what madness they get used for

[sudden forge]

You also see the single phase version of this plug made with yellow plastic to do 110V

Comes up for some outdoor electrical equipment, fairly rare, you'll more likely see the standard blue plastic 240V

and red plastic 3 phase

[forest edge]

oversized audio din connector

[sudden forge]

110/240 have no mechanical difference and will interchange

[prisma briar]

Sketchy

[solar zealot]

Probably atx got two of those 75kw ones in his basement

[sudden forge]

Yep but how much 110 equipment exists here? Such equipment is already non standard

[prisma briar]

I'd be fine if high amperage and low amperage devices interchanged more but voltages should be separate

Don't your construction sites use a lot of 110v?

[sudden forge]

And welcome to the only place you'll find a yellow socket

And usually with a big warning label on it

I'd prefer if it was at least keyed differently

While I had a tesla mobile connector I did have the 32A single phase plug for it, and you could get a 3 phase one

[forest edge]

not as expensive as i thought https://www.homedepot.com/p/Siemens-20-Amp-120-Volt-1-Pole-Tandem-CAFCI-Type-QTA-Circuit-Breaker-Q2020AFC/317050333

[sudden forge]

not that I had a tesla for long, hated the thing, now have something very different

[forest edge]

I think our car companies are transitioning to the tesla plug now

saw something about it on the news the other day

[sudden forge]

yeah, I dont know whats gonna happen over here

Tesla plug has been adopted as the "NACS"

I think ford and mercedes have both announced transitioning their US market vehicles to it

But EU already used a different plug, and tesla never used their own plug here

[forest edge]

from what I read a whole lot of people prefer it

[umbral cliff]

We have switches on our outlets here too, just over time have gotten in the habit of always switching stuff off. Just habit, plug out switch off lol

[sudden forge]

The NACS has its advantages over the J1772 type 1 or CCS type 1

[umbral cliff]

Also hi @sudden forge fancy seeing you here lol

[sudden forge]

Bonjour

[umbral cliff]

English person speaking french, run

[forest edge]

makes sense, aren't your plugs just as funky as the brits?

[sudden forge]

NACS is a similar size to a standard J1772 type 1, and does the CCS functions too without big bulky extended section of plug

but tesla in europe, they sold the original tesla roadster with a J1772 Type 1, and the model S just had a J1772 type 2 "mennekes" over here not the tesla connector

[umbral cliff]

Less dangerous to step on as they're usually in this format
But come with the longer earth and sheathing on the live/neutral prongs like the UK
Though we don't have to have an earth on our plugs here, no shutters on the outlets, too thin for coins or keys to get in

[sudden forge]

and by the time of the model 3, they did a J1772 Type C + CCS type 2

[forest edge]

wasn't there something with those J connectors not being able to handle the fast charging or something?

[sudden forge]

The standard J's dont

You have an extended section of the connector for DC charging (CCS)

whereas tesla, they just ran DC over the AC wiring for fast charging

and dont actually rate their connector to as high a limit as CCS

[forest edge]

thats a chunky looking plug lol

[sudden forge]

there ya go, CCS1 adds 2 dedicated DC lugs

[forest edge]

nice png lol

i'm on dark theme

[sudden forge]

same, didnt realise it would do that before I sent it, oh well

legit CCS connections are huge

and teslas way of just running DC over the existing AC connection really does neaten things up

[forest edge]

i don't think any of ours use that plug

[sudden forge]

US market EVs are all J1772 Type 1, CCS1, chademo or tesla

[forest edge]

maybe it's the l;eafs that use that big thing

[sudden forge]

Leafs dont

Well, newer ones actually do

[forest edge]

don't recall seeing any of the ev's i've looked at have it

[sudden forge]

But the older ones have 2 plugs

[umbral cliff]

Its not too bad
But yeah it is bigger (this is the two prong version shown, so a non earthed appliance)

[forest edge]

the J and supercharger are the only two i've seen

[sudden forge]

the leaf had 2 plugs

J1772 on the right, chademo on the left

chademo is DC only, so theyd do chademo fast charging or AC on J1772

[forest edge]

looks like it was designed with roo defense in mind

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/flail-dog-flail-dog-cute-playing-gif-16571698

[umbral cliff]

Nah
Its good against spiders though, can wack them with it lol

[sudden forge]

electric transit, CCS1

[forest edge]

is that a euro ford?

[sudden forge]

No

Hence the US government plate

[forest edge]

oh no that says us gov plate

[sudden forge]

CCS exists in the US, the issue is more that tesla dominated the fast charging station builds

[forest edge]

wonder where those people charge thier shit at aside from home lol

only tesla chargers in my neighborhood lol

[sudden forge]

tesla superchargers all have CCS adapters at them now

They basically have an adapter for tesla to CCS as part of the cradle

[forest edge]

ev's are kind of on a slight down curve with us now

was too much negative press

not tesla tho

[sudden forge]

whereas over here, tesla werent the only fast charger builder, and they used the same plug as everyone else

[forest edge]

just all the other car companies

[sudden forge]

so I am not sure whats going to happen here

we dont even use the same version of J1772 as the US, but the only difference is our version has 2 extra connections so it can optionally do 3 phase

you can passively adapt between the 2

and EU teslas were 3 phase capable

[forest edge]

i didn't think you all liked tesla to begin with

[sudden forge]

They were still the best seller for quite some time

though theyve now ended production of RHD S and X vehicles

can still buy a LHD S for UK though

which is odd as it comes with the left hand traffic headlights of the RHD cars

[forest edge]

what do you mean left hand traffic headlights?

as in the angle?

[sudden forge]

beam pattern is different

[forest edge]

ah yea

[sudden forge]

just a minor issue for driving a car on "wrong" side of the road versus where it was made to be driven

[forest edge]

saw something the other day about car led headlights are now being linked to possible blindness lol

[sudden forge]

Its weird, basically I can still buy a tesla model S, and it'll come with the RHD headlights on it, the EU charger on it (as UK and EU is the same) but LHD steering wheel/interior

Its basically an EU model with british headlights

and registered as a UK vehicle from day 1 (theres no laws preventing LHD cars in this country despite us normally being RHD)

But the 3 and Y are still being sold RHD, its very strange but I guess its part of where theyre probably phasing out the S and X

[forest edge]

prob from the war days

I know we left a whole lot of shit over there

[sudden forge]

Yeah but also some of europe was also RHD back then too (not much, it was dying off) and some of those places have laws preventing registration/keeping of RHD cars

[forest edge]

I couldn't drive with the wheel being on the right

[sudden forge]

I've driven a LHD car

It was definitely briefly baffling

But I think the bit that made it worse is that I was driving the LHD car on british roads of course designed for RHD

so that was a bit wild

[forest edge]

lol

driving on the wrong side dosen't bother me

but getting in and out and just where the controls etc would be on a rhd vehicle would annoy me

[sudden forge]

It was more the fact that I'm driving along by the pavement

And positioned wrong for road signage

I think I'd find LHD car on American or European roads easier, but I've never had to drive overseas

Last time I was abroad I was travelling by taxi or metro

Muscle memory for the stick in wrong hand was also a mild issue. But no big deal really

Friend at uni was German and bought her car over here with her

She fell ill at an event. I drove her back to her apartment in her car

I think it would be something you would get used to

[forest edge]

i'm right handed. i don't even like sitting in our passenger seats

[sudden forge]

I'm right handed. But it's only in recent years automatics have become popular. Most of us learned stick, operating the stick in the left hand

And there are reasons for why autos weren't as popular here, but those reasons are simply fizzling out with the advancement of automotive technology

[forest edge]

stick with left hand would be interesting lol

clutch with left foot took me a bit to get use to

[sudden forge]

Clutch is still left foot here

We just move the pedals straight across the car rather than mirroring them

But our drivers ed is normally in a stick vehicle so you're learning left foot clutch and left hand shifting from day 1

You don't know different

Why the UK still uses the opposite side of the road from just about everyone else bar Japan and Australia, dunno tbh

[forest edge]

old habits die hard

[sudden forge]

Doesn't really seem to bring any advantage or disadvantage (beyond manufacture of vehicles)

[forest edge]

cars would "maybe" be cheaper if there was only one style

[sudden forge]

And there's enough other regional differences across some manufacturers global offerings that even that might fall out in the wash

[tidal bronze]

Beautiful ♥️ !!!! was missing home. Thank you for this.

[sudden forge]

And tbf my car is Japanese built in first place, where they drive RHD

[forest edge]

you kidding? I thought it was an arial of a landfill at first..

[tidal bronze]

It's all good. Most filmed landfil then. It's not for middle earth to decipher.

[forest edge]

nothing to decipher. you guys would probably shit yourselves at the sight of a plant

I feel bad for those 15 moutain lions trapped there lol

[sudden forge]

There is a distinct lack of green and curves in that video

[tidal bronze]

You learn something new everyday 😆

[sudden forge]

I FOUND A CIRCLE

[forest edge]

felt like i needed to call my doctor and get screened for pollution related cancers after watching that video

[tidal bronze]

For curves you gotta be at 6' above ground level.

[sudden forge]

tbf its always interesting seeing the world from a different perspective

regardless of what it is you're looking at

I'm just comparatively a country bumpkin and dont like cities 😛

[forest edge]

don't have to tbf, LA is a shithole lol

height only made it more apparent

[sudden forge]

had some folk raving that manchester is such an awesome city. Me: spent every minute there counting down how long before I can leave this nightmare

[tidal bronze]

Same feeling I have when I travel.

[forest edge]

most Angelino's who had lived there for years probably wouldn't even know what city that was if they saw that video

[sudden forge]

London, sucks, paris, sucks. Munich was actually pretty neat and I would like to return. Every city in the UK? Sucks.

Large towns? Suck.

[tidal bronze]

I actually love London.

[umbral cliff]

That makes a lot of sense, tesla never bought the model x to australia, makes sense they're phasing out of RHD cars

Also disagree with London sucking, I like London. Driving in London was fun here, more fun than driving in some cities here lol

[clever mortar]

You have a strange idea of fun

[sudden forge]

London despite being the busiest city in the UK is genuinely not the worst to drive in from my experience

Nottingham. Nottingham is the worst for driving

[umbral cliff]

It's like a giant ballet

[clever mortar]

I've driven in the centre of London before... that was the slowest drive I've ever done

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/couch-griswalds-big-ben-gif-13205157

[umbral cliff]

Here it's just people wanting to fight you doing anything

[sudden forge]

and I dont know how nottingham manages to induce more rage in me than central london does

But it does

[clever mortar]

Took me longer to drive a few hundred miles to London than to get from the edge to my destination

[sudden forge]

Tbf I think what made nottingham worse is that gmaps in particular is just woefully wrong there

It has no idea where to go

[umbral cliff]

Yeah I would get sick of driving in London if I had to do it frequently
I only experienced it when learning to drive

[sudden forge]

it'll happily try and force you the wrong way down 1 way roads

so most of my rage there was probably sat nav related

[umbral cliff]

I do live in the city here with the worst drivers in Australia. It's chaos sometimes

[sudden forge]

whereas gmaps in london is sensible, it tells you which lane to be in before a junction and is usually correct about it

[clever mortar]

Last time I was in London Google Maps said it'd be quicker to walk across London than get a taxi

[sudden forge]

Then again theres a spot in edinburgh where gmaps tries to make you drive down a footpath

A footpath that is in fact a staircase

[clever mortar]

I've seen the photos from that

Some people are pillocks

[sudden forge]

I dont live far from the St Ives car trap which has been equally fantastic for witnessing sheer stupidity

[steel crag]

all clutches are left foot lol

[umbral cliff]

I like driving here, 20 minute door to door commute to work plus free parking
Convenient and cheap

Peak hour is literally an hour, and easily avoided too

[sudden forge]

Alas my town its now a 30 minute commute to get to work by car

[steel crag]

there's several of those here, google maps tried to have me drive thru peoples driveways

[sudden forge]

but thats due to a double whammy of floods and road works

We'll be back to 5-10 minute commutes in a day or 2 once the waterlevel goes down

[umbral cliff]

Shame
That's closer to how long it takes me to take PT to work lol (35-40 mins)

[umbral cliff]

Have you tried doing a top gear and turning your car into an amphibian /s

[sudden forge]

alas, my route to work aint even underwater XD

Its just the sheer amount of redirected traffic

still, this was saturday in St Ives

There are more warning signs out of frame

[clever mortar]

My route to work involves a short walk... don't even have to leave the house 😄

[steel crag]

I actually did do this before, but it caused more traffic from gawkers

[sudden forge]

some even indicating theres a literal hole in the road to prevent cars

and yet the most common excuse: I didnt see any signs

[steel crag]

most days my traffic is solely based on if the cat trips me up walking to my office

[clever mortar]

Some people are pillocks

[steel crag]

I have a 1 minute 45 second commute today Tink

[sudden forge]

at least someone can follow signs XD

[tidal bronze]

I was told the same by a few Taxis 🤣

[clever mortar]

I have the dog version of that problem

[steel crag]

cat version easier imho

[steel crag]

but today I actually have to leave the house, unless someone would like to share their secret of mounting cameras on a roof remotely

[forest edge]

and this shit is why I don't care to travel

[umbral cliff]

I do that one day a week lol
I like the office though

[tidal bronze]

@forest edge you busy today? It's Valentine's day.

[steel crag]

I loved driving all over the world

[forest edge]

why you lonely? lol

[sudden forge]

I did go out on a bike ride over the weekend to view the flooding, that was fun

[umbral cliff]

You don't have to drive to travel

[clever mortar]

I enjoy the office too... but I only have to go in every few months

[steel crag]

well at least I have the same screen at home and at work

[sudden forge]

Rode through some of the shallower bits

[steel crag]

but I do not enjoy the office, too many .... humans

[clever mortar]

I was there in December, I'll be back in March

[steel crag]

and not enough cats

[umbral cliff]

That's fair
At least in the office I have a mechanical keyboard and 2 1440p displays, so it is basically as good as at home

Not some shitty office equipment lol

[steel crag]

but thankfully everyone in my office is family 😄

[sudden forge]

mech keyboard and an ultrawide 1440p display in office for me

[umbral cliff]

That's the fun part. Can give your colleagues shit. Our team manager gives us shit and we give them shit back too lol

[steel crag]

I only got a 27" main screen at both places, but this is where the office shines... I have a 27" and 2 55"s but at home I only have the 27" and 1 55"

[steel crag]

oh they are all too afraid to give me shit, I'll turn off their wifi

actually I just booted everyone off the wifi again so there's that 😄

[umbral cliff]

How mean

[steel crag]

bosses orders

she spots them far too much on their phones on the new HD cameras I've put everywhere

😄

[tidal bronze]

You must their favorite human

[steel crag]

I giveth, yet I taketh away

[forest edge]

typical.. beach life and yet still glued to the phone

[steel crag]

wait till they realize all the sensors I installed

[steel crag]

I just spent all of last week on my beach, whatta ya mean

[umbral cliff]

Just slack off on the computers instead

[steel crag]

well it's a farm store.... the butchers don't have PC's, neither do the shelf boys or packing staff

[forest edge]

you just said everyone was on their phones.. typical younger generations

[steel crag]

but when meat is sitting defrosting not being unloaded/loaded and everyone is on the phone....

[steel crag]

oh well they are at work after all, no beach in the store

[tidal bronze]

Not everyone has to drive to town to use the internet.

[steel crag]

actually some of these kids do not have internet at home

[forest edge]

are you ever "not" in town?

[steel crag]

so I do kinda feel bad for em, but at the same time if they weren't a problem they would have had wifi still

[umbral cliff]

I see more people older than me on their phone in the office than the younger people lol

[tidal bronze]

Most of the time.

[forest edge]

older is allowed.. likely for buisness reasons anyways

[umbral cliff]

Nope
Not when they don't have work phones lol

[steel crag]

you clearly don't see the 50+ year olds watching tiktok all day

[forest edge]

flying over green places dosen't count

[steel crag]

I wonder what time I should go to work today

it seems no matter what time I get there I'm always there till closing

[tidal bronze]

I know, no internet

[forest edge]

closest thing to experience actual life you ever get lol

[tidal bronze]

This sucks. Not home for Valentine's day. 🙄

[sudden forge]

I dont have a valentine anyway, just gonna snuggle my cat when I am home

[forest edge]

older people on phones are just trying to catch up and keep up with their kids who can't ever put the phone down lol

[sudden forge]

She was extra cuddly this morning

[steel crag]

sonoma I was on the beach and glued to my phone to take this 😄

[steel crag]

by that math I have 3 valentines 😄

[forest edge]

what do kale eaters get their mates for this day anyways? pieces of bark?

[sudden forge]

this was last week, any time I tried to retrieve my hand, she woke up, moved back onto my hand and dozed off again

[steel crag]

If the cat I have that looks like that wasn't trying to scratch my door down rn I'd have thought catnapping was afoot 😛

[tidal bronze]

Depends on the flowers.

[steel crag]

oh there's a patch of white, deffo not mine 😄

[sudden forge]

yeah and she has some more white underneath her

theres a little bit just about visible lurking in her armpit there

[steel crag]

mine is a/a (non-agouti)

all black, no patterns whatsoever and no other colors

[forest edge]

there is no tie so you know it's not @umbral cliff 's cat

[sudden forge]

She was only meant to be a short term foster

and now she's just permanently mine

[solar zealot]

cats!

[primal laurel]

dogs

[steel crag]

cats are really your best friend

they don't work with police

😛

[primal laurel]

I dont live in the US so I have no problems with the police or their dogs 😛

[forest edge]

55" qled tv's for 350 bucks

insane

[steel crag]

neither do I 😛

you think this is in the US Stefan? #the-water-cooler message

[iron granite]

KrAzIe242 is back 🎉

[steel crag]

I've been up to nefarious things

now I have questions 😛

my soldering irons have been busy

[steel crag]

also hard to be back to someplace you never left, I lurk a LOT

[primal laurel]

you think im in geoguessr??

[steel crag]

no but look at the ocean my guy

the sand

and that's on a day when the water is "murky"

[forest edge]

Krazie's survival is based of american tourist bread crumbs and selling sand for american fish tanks

[steel crag]

well you're not wrong

[iron granite]

He is propably the owner of all HA instances in his country

[steel crag]

there's 2 I don't own for sure

[iron granite]

Oh... HA is expanding

[forest edge]

https://youtu.be/bZZDwzbtvDY?si=izio4QdbMV6U4xWU

[steel crag]

yup and one of them is on this island and the other is on the island my other house is

so when I put HA in the other house, then it will be +1

[primal laurel]

yes, its an ocean. What am I supposed to see lol

[steel crag]

it's clear

there is no ocean that looks like that in the US 😛

either way I thought you knew I was from The Bahamas 🤷‍♂️

[steel crag]

this is a big hint 😉

[forest edge]

considering there are only 14 HA installations in Krazies world, this convo isn't far off lol

[steel crag]

there's 14 now?

[forest edge]

yea

[steel crag]

I haven't checked in a while

that means my buddy DID get it installed on his RPI3

nice

[forest edge]

if you were Haiti you would be the only one lol

[steel crag]

yeah and being the only one in Haiti with HA wouldn't be a good idea

[primal laurel]

😄 nope, sorry

[steel crag]

meh

lol you know, at least for now

😛

[forest edge]

wtf virtual HA install over took rpi 4's

[steel crag]

a long while ago

[forest edge]

not pi's as a whole but the 4

[steel crag]

yeah I know

but I stopped running on Rpi and went virtual, which lead to the HA installs in my country almost doubling because now I have test machines 😄

[forest edge]

wtf average is only 12 automations

alot of users out there not doing much

[steel crag]

I have more than that in just HA automations, not including NR

and im lazy

[primal laurel]

I should test the pi 5

might be a good moment to kill the nas install

[steel crag]

im never ever touching a stupid rpi again

things that were taking me months to figure out I did in 49 seconds in ESPHOME

[primal laurel]

esphome?

how is that related

[steel crag]

well

[forest edge]

what does that have to do with an rpi

[steel crag]

ill give you some context

I used to run HA on my RPI's

they aren't supported anymore

so then I used them for other things, and went virtual

trying to use them for even more things, I got frustrated

when I got my batch of ESP's I tried some things I wanted to do and they worked right so

[forest edge]

so stop trying to use rpi 1 lol

[steel crag]

hence why I'm never touching them again

[forest edge]

and pico

[steel crag]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-4095597578532971838

[forest edge]

the only thing older pi's are useful for are print servers and network usb hubs

[steel crag]

actually haven't tried a pico yet, but have something in mind I wanna do with one

[steel crag]

well they can print serve in the bin they are in

[primal laurel]

if it can run on an esp then you probably shouldnt run it on a pi in the first place

[steel crag]

as long as they can do it unpowered and not connected

[steel crag]

have you met me?

I am the king of probably shouldn't

I was advised against running HA on my pi for years 😛

[primal laurel]

HA runs fine on a pi. Just needs an SSD and not an SD card

[steel crag]

then they just dropped support, only way to ween me off the teet

[steel crag]

on a 1B+?

cuz that's what I have 2 of

[forest edge]

he can't get anything newer lol

infact what he has likely fell out of some tourists bag

[steel crag]

I can, it was just for a long time not worth it

[primal laurel]

1B+? isnt that like 20 years old

[steel crag]

are you age shaming me

lol

[primal laurel]

old enough to drink and have children!

[steel crag]

speaking of which, my son's 18th birthday was yesterday

[forest edge]

I wonder what the most cheapiest thing you can run HA on.. not talking about bargains deals or any of that shit either

[gleaming crater]

A pi zero 2 maybe lol

[forest edge]

nah can't on zeros

[steel crag]

a VM on a machine you already own

[gleaming crater]

The zero 2 is 64bit

[forest edge]

oh yea

[gleaming crater]

It’s basically a pi 4

Processor wise

[primal laurel]

samsung smart fridge display

[forest edge]

thats not cheap

[primal laurel]

one of those media displays you can hack

[steel crag]

subjective

[primal laurel]

digital pregnancy test

[forest edge]

getting for free or whatever dosen't count lol

[steel crag]

I wanna see HA on a C64

[gleaming crater]

I mean it’s reallllly hard to beat the zero 2 at $15 bux lol

[steel crag]

well a $15 old PC would

[primal laurel]

just any cheap SBC will do

[forest edge]

https://community.home-assistant.io/t/installation-on-rpi-zero-2-w/642858 still suggests no

[gleaming crater]

Hmm

I wonder what it’s missing

[forest edge]

well this suggests yes https://www.reddit.com/r/homeassistant/comments/swhsln/can_a_raspberry_pi_zero_2_w_run_homeassistant/

[primal laurel]

if you're a linux wizard you can probably make it run on anything

[steel crag]

https://tenor.com/view/lord-of-the-rings-gandalf-indeed-gif-18505269

[gleaming crater]

I mean all they dropped was 32 bit support

[steel crag]

they didn't delete the older images tho 😉

[gleaming crater]

Yes it’s just the 2nd largest open source project on the planet

You’ll get left in the dust so quick

These releases are impressively feature rich

[forest edge]

latest one uses more memory for whatever reason

think it may have been a 10% jump on my rpi4

[steel crag]

https://tenor.com/view/gandalf-a-wizard-is-never-later-gif-11324448

[primal laurel]

by who?

[gleaming crater]

I mean anybody clinging to a pi 1 isn’t about staying up to date lmao

[steel crag]

I still have an Atari

so I don't see your point

I also have 3 PS4's I don't use

shrugs

[sudden forge]

pi 3, very literally, just a die shrink&repackage

[steel crag]

https://tenor.com/view/some-men-just-want-to-watch-the-world-burn-gif-13617372

[gleaming crater]

Ahh yes lol my bad

[forest edge]

I wonder if the bahamas will be one of the first to catch fire in the coming years with global warming lol

has to be the nicest places to go first right

[steel crag]

well it's 95% water

and remember, we are basically desert islands anyway...

but.... if the seas rise.... we're borked.

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/reface-gif-23111042

[steel crag]

it's a good thing I can swim

and I have a go bag 😄

[sudden forge]

Live on boat, ez

[steel crag]

exactly

[sudden forge]

turn the flight deck of an aircraft carrier into a vegetable patch

[steel crag]

well there aren't so many aircraft carriers in The Bahamas to choose from

but, there's a boat yard about 400 yards from my house here

😛

[sudden forge]

Thats what guns and iron cahones' were invented for

ride boat around to find aircraft carrier. Make it yours. Grow old or die trying

[steel crag]

oh I have the cojones

besides my go bag is completely supplied 😛

[sudden forge]

I live at the top of a hill, not a huge one, but I have to wait for a reasonable amount of people to have drowned first

downside, said hill may become an island and I have no boat

[steel crag]

well my other house is on a hill as well

I just need a boat to make it there 😉

[sudden forge]

So alas, once my hill becomes island, if the water continued to rise eventually I too would become drown

[primal laurel]

need help with water? call us

[sudden forge]

And the hill aint so big either XD

[steel crag]

the dutch have built quite a few of our sea ports 😉

[sudden forge]

Picture doesnt really do its actual height justice, but also shows we're hardly talking much elevation XD

[steel crag]

my hill is 35m above sea level and steep drive up 😄

[sudden forge]

We're a similar altitude from sea level

[steel crag]

where I live currently is pretty high above sea level in comparison to the surrounding areas

was really one of the main points of buying a house here "don't build on reclaimed land"

[sudden forge]

Checked, my house according to one map is 31m from sea level

[steel crag]

ok I really gotta go to work now before they start calling me

[sudden forge]

the problem is that the river is 15m above sea level, and has currently burst its banks, its a bit damp

[steel crag]

we have no rivers 🙂

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-dutch-confused-dutch-gif-20140278

[sudden forge]

my weekend adventure

the riverside park is no longer the river_side_

[steel crag]

i was about to say

either they need to move the sign, or correct it 😛

riverpark

[sudden forge]

and this would have been part of my normal commute

Estimation: about 2-3 feet deep

Not atrocious per se, but errm, definitely want your waders on if you're gonna go through there

that path normally continues sloping downwards a way and theres some bushes down there somewhere, or there were

though in january we had worse flooding and the water was a good halfway up the bin

[primal laurel]

looks like a nice swim

or ducks reclaiming their land

[sudden forge]

January caused a chunk of road surface to be ripped up

revealing that the road was literally just asphalt chucked on top of some victorian cobble

[primal laurel]

Somebody went to the vet

Somebody didn't like the vet

[gleaming crater]

My wife has worked at the same vet clinic for 18 years, our dogs get to go to work just because so they thankfully have no clue if it's going to be a day with extra stabbings lol

[static schooner]

Vets are mean, even when they give treats

[gleaming crater]

One of our dogs has to greet everyone in the clinic when she arrives lol

[static schooner]

I think my cats generate extra gravity when I try to get them out of their carriers

good luck, I'm not helping you at all

[gleaming crater]

Lol our cat will brace himself like an X in his carrier to lodge himself

[primal laurel]

he's getting a haircut this week

same story as the vet

always shivering

[gleaming crater]

Lol do you give your dog trazadone for that stuff

[primal laurel]

nah he needs to man up

[gleaming crater]

Lol as long as he's not bitey

[sudden forge]

My sisters cat is the only cat I have ever witnessed that is totally okay with carriers

[primal laurel]

not once in 13 years

sweetest dog I ever met

[sudden forge]

just go put her favourite toy in the carrier with some treats, she'll go loaf in there

close door, pick it up, no distress. Open it other end, out she trots

[primal laurel]

doesn't bark, doesn't bite, always calm. 10/10 good boy

[gleaming crater]

We're still breaking the barking with our youngest dog, she loves to go out into the yard and flex on people passing by

[primal laurel]

with good training you can do it

[gleaming crater]

I want to build an ultrasonic emitter in the spot she likes to bark as a negative reinforcement for barking

[forest edge]

@tidal bronze this thing still going strong

aside from having to refresh the browser after a couple of the many updates to HA over the time of having it, not had to do anything else

[gleaming crater]

is that one of those cast dashboard views?

[forest edge]

lenovo smart clock

[gleaming crater]

I finally removed my alarm clock from my bedroom, I have an HA dashboard to configure the 'light alarm' in my bedroom and my snapcast automatically plays white noise when we turn off the lights for bed

[forest edge]

just using this as a HA dashboard display

but it has google assist built in which is nice sometimes

[gleaming crater]

When I have time I want to spin up an in-home LLM model on my server and add microphones to all the snapcast nodes around my house

I've booted all the smart speakers from my house long ago and don't miss them lol

[sudden forge]

I used to lodge with a guy that had google home speakers

Good lord, he got them more or less as they came out, they were paired with his google account. But they had no way to ID who was speaking and couldnt tell us apart

So while we were experimenting we discovered I could place alarms on his phone etc

[gleaming crater]

Oh goody my ratgdo(s) no longer have enough room to accept new OTA updates?

Lol I guess they defined the wrong board with the new revision and it only thinks it's outta space

[tidal bronze]

Yep, they are very nice.

They do get used so I am happy witg the time spent setting up

[gleaming crater]

I've been mostly happy with the tablet I put in my kitchen, I do regret going cheap with a fire tablet tho it's kind of a fight to keep it from phoning home

Is there any good free MDM solutions for android out there?

[dire spear]

as in connecting to amazon?

[gleaming crater]

If I don't block it from the internet it tries to force me to log into an amazon account before showing the loader

[dire spear]

ah

[gleaming crater]

But fully kiosk still can auto launch over that lol

[dire spear]

i guess you cant do a fresh instal on it? i assume its locked to that version of android

[gleaming crater]

But it's still a horribly gimped device

There's not many jailbreak options for the current firmware amazon ships

[dire spear]

ah

[gleaming crater]

Android tablets are so cheap nowdays anyways

And if you do enroll with MDM you can have it not include any extra apps

And do a suuuuper clean device

But I'm not interested in paying monthly to manage a tablet in my kitchen lol

[dire spear]

i was thinking of a waveshare touch panel with a remote pc.

but there are advantages to it being a self contained android tablet too

[gleaming crater]

fully kiosk has amazing integration support with HA

There is a service call to send it to any given URL

Or just a switch entity to turn the screen on/off

[dire spear]

hm

[gleaming crater]

it's only $9 for life on a device too

[dire spear]

so basically it makes the device seamlessly lod a website ap full screen? (quickjly looking it over)

[gleaming crater]

yep

[dire spear]

neat

[gleaming crater]

So like doorbell gets rung? push a dashboard url or a camera stream straight to the device

I don't even use the official app on my tablet anymore as a result

[dire spear]

hm

notes this all down

[gleaming crater]

Shoot, it's got better video playback in fully kiosk than even vlc does on an android tv

[low harness]

Know what's stupid? That a USB C plug acually fits in a USB A receptacle, and feels pretty good doing it.

[ocean oar]

That's nothing. Both USB-B and USB-A plugs fit nicely into RJ45 ports. "Universal" indeed

Also googling "usb rj45 meme" turned up this cursed object:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07GV7JVYJ

Frequently returned item
Check the product details and customer reviews to learn more about this item.

[gleaming crater]

https://tenor.com/view/mother-of-god-gif-10218431

[gleaming crater]

Just some light crunching, it's still good

[low harness]

I could sort of see a point to that if it was a female RJ45...

[ocean oar]

Oh yeah, USB 1.1 (usually) or 2.0 (rarely) over twisted pair baluns definitely work (janky, but functional), for some value of work

Definitely not advisable, but in a pinch

[gleaming crater]

Lol I just got out of a vendor call, they tried to warn me "they're not the cheapest" but I don't think they know how much they undercut the other quotes I've gotten

[prisma briar]

I got some usb converter kits that came with those, they never worked

But the rest of the adapters in the kits did and that's what I wanted them for

[forest edge]

Nebraska furniture Mart sells those Brilliant smart switches. The fucking two touch dimmer with screen is 500. Holy shit

[gleaming crater]

Das a lot of money for a light switch

[forest edge]

Their smart home selection is kind of nice tho. So many govee etc to actually look at rather than some jpg online is nice

[gleaming crater]

https://tenor.com/view/hank-hill-jpg-blurred-pixelated-gif-5624624

[forest edge]

They had a 55" Samsung Odyssey curved monitor setup and omfg. Gen x are going to go blind by age 30

[gleaming crater]

Curved displays are good for exactly one person too

and aren't gen x already hitting 40? lol

[prisma briar]

30s millennial here

[gleaming crater]

Shoot the youngest genx is technically 43ish lol

[forest edge]

Meant Gen z

[gleaming crater]

I'm right on the cusp but I claim the "oregon trail generation" aka the analog-to-digital generation

Or the even worse name for it lol: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xennials

[last cedar]

Sad but true 😦

[gleaming crater]

The raccoon business sector isn't keeping up apparently

[orchid rose]

Larger monitors are probably better for eyesight than smaller ones that us old geezers grew up with since you don't have to focus up close

[forest edge]

Yea I don't agree with that. Go press your face against a big screen TV and tell me how relaxed your eyes are lol

55" monitor on a PC desk is too big and too close imo

[ocean oar]

IMHO 32" 4K is about right for normal on-desk viewing distances

[orchid rose]

You'll have less of a reason to press your face against the display with a larger display than you have with a smaller one

50cm upwards should be safe according to a quick google

[forest edge]

Well that depends on resolution too

[orchid rose]

Yesn't. Do you watch higher resolution screens closer?

[steel crag]

Ive had one on my desk for about 5 years but it's not my primary

[crisp oriole]

nothing wrong with a good template. {{ true if (((states('input_number.days_in_month')|int - (now().day - 10 if now().day >= 10 else (states('input_number.days_in_month')|int - (10 - now().day)))) / states('input_number.days_in_month')|int) * 15 + states('sensor.glitch_data_used')|int) < 15 else false }}

[forest edge]

bigger screen and high dpi means your still pressing your face to read shit lol

[orchid rose]

That's not my experience at all

It highly depends on the content and your personal preference though

my tiny 34" 1440p gaming monitor is about the same distance away as my previous 24" was and I don't think most people watch their 4k TV's from under 50cm either

[forest edge]

34" is a far cry from 55"

I tried a 34" curved monitor once. didn't like it but there is no comparison between a 34 and 55 lol

[primal laurel]

4k 27 inch is perfect

[orchid rose]

55" is bit more than 4x the size of a 34" which is why I mentioned it. I think there's a limit on how close you want to comfortably get to before you will rather stay further away than maximize the pixels per degree of view

Our sight is pretty limited after all and having the screen too close causes all kinds of uncomfort

I have a 92" projector screen that I watch from 2.5m away most of the time, but I often notice myself leaning forwards when watching movies. It's because movies were made for big screen and stuff in you peripheral vision is of lower importance. The resolution is nor the size are the important factors here

[forest edge]

movies ect and resolution of tvs is way diffrent

not to mention 8 ft is not the 1.5 or so a normal desktop monitor would be

[orchid rose]

Why is it different?

[forest edge]

8ft vs 1-2?

movies vs os?

[crisp oriole]

yes i did it. I got a daily and monthly data counter on my phone that turns red if im going over my daily quota

[gleaming crater]

Eww data caps

[orchid rose]

Movies vs other content

[forest edge]

just do the adb shell reboot -p command and keep yourself from going over automaticly

[forest edge]

text, font.. web browser 99% of what you do on PC that you don't on a tv

it's that stuff that causes most eye strain

[gleaming crater]

You can always run with 300% ui scaling lol

[forest edge]

yea and see like a qtr of the whole page

dpi is weird on big monitors

[orchid rose]

Right, but at some point we reach(ed) what the human eye can do and then the text and font become irrelevant

[forest edge]

ok well I think that was a few monitor sizes back..

[orchid rose]

I still see pixels on my 1440p

[forest edge]

a 55" curved monitor that your keyboard sits inbetween the two ends is not healthy and as i stated Gen Z will be going blind lol

[orchid rose]

I'll need a source for that 🙂

[forest edge]

being able to see the individual pixels cannot be good lol

[gleaming crater]

wut

[orchid rose]

That makes zero sense

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/armstrong-made-it-up-gif-25653819

[gleaming crater]

I used to be able to see pixels on a retina display and now that shit's basically invisible to my older eyes lol

[forest edge]

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQPTPpUsjpFWuwv5RUfwlp3oK4gHrZ6A4QTBe8Ha0C7jq4DmeKTdk6Ii1JnJAOHjGTaZQQ&usqp=CAU

[orchid rose]

Human eyes are pretty shite. We figured that brain power is better spent elsewhere. It's not like other animals are being hurt by our shit screens

[forest edge]

if you see shit that close.. there is an issue lol

[orchid rose]

What's the issue?

[forest edge]

do you wear glasses?

[gleaming crater]

I think there is a case for too much close-range focusing will cause myopia

If you never focus to a distance > 20 feet

[primal laurel]

I am 100% sure my eyes got worse during covid

[gleaming crater]

Also old age does a number on everyone's eyes lol

They don't stand the test of time

[forest edge]

old age isn't the issue

eye strain is

you can have eye strain and not even realize it

[orchid rose]

I do not

[forest edge]

may wanna pick out a pair lol

[gleaming crater]

https://tenor.com/view/szip-it-gif-25796869

[primal laurel]

https://www.reddit.com/r/formuladank/comments/1aqrzhp/80_days_without_f1/

[gleaming crater]

Y tho lol

[primal laurel]

because they can

[dire spear]

i get mine replaced every 3000 miles

[forest edge]

is that ms flight sim?

[gleaming crater]

It looks like a model swap on the real f1 game

[forest edge]

oh

[dire spear]

could be an unreal engine template. making a racing game takes like 20 mins and the enviros are often alreay avaialble

[gleaming crater]

Formuladank would do that much work for a shitpost lol

[orchid rose]

Do you think you get eye damage from watching something like The Sphere from up close? Since that's what it looks like. Or well actually it's far worse

https://tenor.com/view/f1-what-wtf-sphere-las-vegas-gif-16035921924471267013

Sticking with the F1 theme here

[forest edge]

one you don't stare at the sphere for multiple hours daily and two that is not the same as a monitor

[orchid rose]

How is it not the same?

[forest edge]

look up the specs?

does all screens look the same to you?

you sure you don't wear glasses?

[forest edge]

https://www.businessinsider.com/what-the-las-vegas-sphere-screen-looks-like-up-close-2023-10

[dire spear]

when you stare at a computer, your eyes are at a set focus distance for hours and hours on end. usually one very close to your face. with younger people its not that big a deal, but as you age the lenses become more resistant to deformation and it can take a long time for them to change focus. it sometimes takes several minutes for me to be able to focus on far things after working at my computer for hours.

[orchid rose]

Good lord... My point was the opposite of that The Sphere looks like a screen because we watch it from afar but up close it looks like shit. That doesn't mean it's going to hurt our eyesight if we look at these spread out LEDs at 3 feet

[forest edge]

I don't see pixels on bigger monitors spread out like that tho

[static schooner]

I noticed that in the last couple of weeks when they showed closeups of that dude climbing up it

[forest edge]

density is too compact

it would be less eye strain if they were spread oput

and even though we may not consciously see the individual pixels on 4k or 8k or whatever. our eyes still do and are still impacted by it

[orchid rose]

So there's a threshold where it hurts your eyes because they are too spread out but not spread out enough? It's plausible but do you have anything to back this up since I've never seen it?

[forest edge]

i have 0 doubts there are studies of how monitors damage our eyes online

[orchid rose]

Give it to me then

[forest edge]

no

[orchid rose]

Right

[forest edge]

thats dumb you want to disput that lol

[dire spear]

strain has got little to nothing to do with the "monitor" and is about maintainign fixed focus.

that is the "strain". the muscles are literally straining.

there are things monitors can do that are hard to look at, like flicker, high contrast etc, but they are a different problem in you brain. eye strain is muscular.

[solar zealot]

getting glasses with the blue light filter may or may not be quite a relief to some of it

[orchid rose]

Flicker has been understated for sure. As someone who likes to run their screens pretty dim it annoys the hell out of me when they flicker

[dire spear]

i cant use crt's, they would trigger migraines. and i cant do the sitting in the dark thing.

the dark thing is funny. half the studio whines its too bright, half whines its too dark. to thew point them made lighting zones. haha

[orchid rose]

Not even the high refresh ones? 120Hz CRTs were in many ways the high point for me. In many others not so much lol

[dire spear]

the last crts i had were 72. we never had anything better and migrated to lcds as soon as they were acceptable

the crts were impossible to maintain colour correction as well so it was all the better

2004 or so was the last crt

i used

[orchid rose]

I went from 120 to 60Hz LCD. It was a sad day.

[dire spear]

ha

if you game i can imagine. for me it was a big upgrade, cause i didnt really care about ghosting, lag, etc

[forest edge]

dealing with 19-21" crt's was not fun

[dire spear]

the apple cinema display (and equivelant pc monitors using the same LG panesl) was the first "acceptable" consumer monitor for us

[forest edge]

tv's of same size weren't nearly as heavy

[dire spear]

sony 24" crt

mmm

thats the last crt for pro use ever made. some people were so upset

i thik it wqent away in 2006 or so.

[orchid rose]

You can only make me so hard

[dire spear]

ha

we have a few but i didnt have one on my desk. i had viewsonic 21's

have used dell P series since 2004 now. 24 and 30"

they had reliable colour

well reliable "enough"

[ocean oar]

Dell U and P series monitors are actually really good value for money

And they always have boring standard stands with VESA mount conversion options, not bizarro shit

(looking at you here especially, Samsung)

[forest edge]

glad i don't have to go this far for my farm https://youtu.be/ydBCDsfC0_Q?si=8SI2soEz1ZMtKKh9

[tidal bronze]

Farm 🤣

[gleaming crater]

I was trying to explain to my boss why he needs a cellular failover for his starlink if he wants it to not suck

[forest edge]

where green stuff you never seen before grow

[tidal bronze]

I don't mind a weekend farm at 71

[forest edge]

you'll have to send us pics of your texas farm lol

[dire spear]

my front yard is my farm

500 square feet of yummy food

[tidal bronze]

I scored today with flowers. Good day.

[dire spear]

ha

[forest edge]

they call that ornamental kale right?

[static schooner]

Edible Arrangements

[tidal bronze]

Found these Persian pink roses. She's not that mad I am not home. But I messed up on getting reservations for the weekend. Still at it.

[tidal bronze]

They suck most of the time. Sour pineapple and grapes. Yuk.

[iron granite]

Maybe a drive-in? It's easier when you can manage your own reservations

[hollow glacier]

shari's berries, now with more mold!

[static schooner]

extra tangy

[hollow glacier]

i stumbled on a reddit thread a while back and damn

hell hath no fury like a woman scorned

they were out for blood with their stories

[iron granite]

A Camemberry

[dire spear]

i looked at strawberries today. $10 a pound. sigh

[tidal bronze]

Been ages and we don't do drive in or drive through

[dire spear]

crank the heat up

ha

[hollow glacier]

you doing work there?

[dire spear]

i designed everything there in another life. my friend owns most of the drive ins around here.

(i didnt design the buildings, they are form the 50s, but i did the revamp)

in 1999/2000 ish

[hollow glacier]

fun fun

could do some cool shit with led strips nowadays

[dire spear]

i used to do his buyers screenings too, which was fun

[hollow glacier]

i guess once sun is down* you want that shit dark tho

[dire spear]

he wanted for that theatre to stay to a 50's sensibility. so real neon, etc

this place prints money, so he just wants what he wants,

which is cool

[ocean oar]

We have a real gas tube decorative sign in our office kitchen. It is a very nice shade of red.

[ocean oar]

I mean LED ones are fine, but really are no comparison for the real thing

[hollow glacier]

https://tenor.com/bEzr3.gif

[dire spear]

ha

nah, no substitue for neon if you want to try and be authentic

[gleaming crater]

There are some pretty convincing LED rope diffusers that look like neon from a distance

[dire spear]

he went out and got quotes from a big design firm here and they drew up a modern diner with a bunch of random 50s ish decor. complete opposite of what he wanted

[gleaming crater]

oh so a fridays but 50s shit stapled to the wall?

[dire spear]

sorta yeah. ti was bad

and $75000

[gleaming crater]

lol

[ocean oar]

I've also been trying to convince the higher-ups that we need to drop ~$100k on a split-flap display.
There's this company that makes them: https://www.oatfoundry.com/split-flap/
Scales in increments of 1 row × 8 columns, I think the quote was $96k for 32×6.

[dire spear]

(for the design fee)

[gleaming crater]

Ive thought about printing my own

There are a few designs online

[iron granite]

There is one for home use

[dire spear]

wow. almost every "changable" sign now is just an lcd or led.

[iron granite]

I think it is called Vestaboard

https://www.vestaboard.com/

[gleaming crater]

3200 bucks lol

[iron granite]

Just $3,295

[gleaming crater]

The best part about those is the noise they make while changing display

[dire spear]

my brothers grocery store got all e paper price tags a couple years ago. the price must have been insane. they have like 1000 locations and 1000s of items on the shelves

[gleaming crater]

Tho I'd maybe rather have a flipdot display if I was going mechanical

[ocean oar]

Yeah that is a large part of why I want it. Still remember the racket the old airport departure boards made

[dire spear]

ha

[gleaming crater]

https://flipdots.com/en/products-services/small-7-segment-displays/

[ocean oar]

Curious combination of ideas, a mechanical 7-segment

I assumed you meant this kind: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flip-disc_display

[gleaming crater]

same company makes those kinda displays

https://flipdots.com/en/products-services/flip-dot-boards-xy5/

[dire spear]

i want a crop circle display

[gleaming crater]

Opulent

[dire spear]

a pizza display?

[gleaming crater]

https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2024/01/can-it-run-doom-gut-bacteria-edition/

[dire spear]

ha

i swa something on this before

[gleaming crater]

https://tenor.com/view/lol-i-seent-it-i-saw-it-gif-15304643

[tidal bronze]

@forest edge show us the flowers you got!

[dire spear]

More shed work. the one on the right is my existing "huge" steel framed shed. doesnt look so huge now.

[gleaming crater]

When did you add a deck to a shed lol

There’s overkill and there’s the shed with stairs to its front door

[static schooner]

those must be some wealthy raccoons

[dire spear]

racoons need nice housing too

if i build it for my yard, it will basically be a dining room / bunkie guest room with the outdoor kitchen. not allowed to have a bathroom. the other shed is office work shop / cnc machine shop

[finite atlas]

https://videos.pr0gramm.com/2024/02/14/ffeeecfb1c8f940d.mp4

[forest edge]

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTjFZvt0V7CBzaLsAwJIpbhQA2cavY6T0HYUj9i0l0bbVi2V0XQNQkRlbtEhoGZMw_IKBU&usqp=CAU

[iron granite]

"The tree of smart home must be refreshed from time to time with the tears of Tuya & MyQ users"

[forest edge]

hasn't tuya got a little better over this past year?

i thought they had made more local abilities available etc

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-4095597578532971838

[iron granite]

I think, better doesn't mean good 😆

[forest edge]

my tuya 433/zigbee relays have been working great so far (knock on wood) thankfully no wifi involved

wish I could say zigbee was working great lol

[solar zealot]

Kinda wonder why some of their stuff bugs out so randomly

[primal laurel]

low budget, shit engineering

[solar zealot]

Like id expect theyd do it right once and then sell it cheap en mass

Ah more profits that way

[primal laurel]

if you're forced to build the cheapest product possible you will cut corners everywhere you can

which is what happens to tuya

meets bare minimum certificaiton, nothing more

and then they try to pull you into their cloud scam to sell you more stuff and make you dependent on it

[forest edge]

tuya is certianly not the only company who does any of what you just said

[primal laurel]

correct

security cam manufacturers do something similar

[forest edge]

when i was in NFM yesterday we walked past these stuffed dogs and they made them motion activated to make a wimper noise.. talk about fucked up marketing geared towards kids lol

[solar zealot]

Lol

Yea those fancy ip cams that require a browser plugin for ie9

[primal laurel]

buy our extended cloud storage now, every time you open their app

has on board storage for at least a month but only allows 1 day of viewing back

[solar zealot]

They found a better solution for ours

To install a microsd you must open the camera and void the warranty

[primal laurel]

bruh

[solar zealot]

Even if they would be like yea no issue with that, you'd still have unsealed the whole assembly and added a ton of moisture

A smart design to sell some more

Well it's not apple, id probably not be buying some more 😄

[forest edge]

thankfully i have not seen anything like that

why can't any of these videos involve sharks https://youtu.be/Nxzx2S5WrN8?si=Vqycp1EJek3DKhpw

[solar zealot]

they don't have the lasers ready for them

[forest edge]

looked like a lot of wasted copper

[last cedar]

Can anyone recommend some current transformers?

|| needs to be rated to 3500A and fit around this ||

[last cedar]

Lies!

[forest edge]

https://www.wildlifecontrolsupplies.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/4/WCSTJV_main1_540x432.jpg

[primal laurel]

Shelly EM

Extra large version

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/transformers-transformer-bumblebee-hi-hello-gif-27189313

[last cedar]

OMW

[last cedar]

How large exactly?

[primal laurel]

for several kA you're looking at chonky (and expensive) boys

[solar zealot]

Is this supposed to run atx basement stuff?

Or an American dryer

[primal laurel]

it can charge one tesla cybertruck

[forest edge]

don't be jealous. one day you too may experience dry clothes

[primal laurel]

buy laundry rack, hang up clothes, wait couple of hours, dry clothes

[forest edge]

sounds moldy

[primal laurel]

uhm no

[solar zealot]

It also acts as humidifier

But yea only towels go into the dryer

[glacial knot]

How in the world do you manage to grow mold on a drying rack?

[gleaming crater]

Lol some dumbass signed up for discord and made a server under my other email address, I just went and deleted both for him

[primal laurel]

towels dry very fast on a rack, at least the type I have

[forest edge]

yup looks dry to me https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRIZ9LgZgc8mVgLlE049KUnQ9xkBUbE6FIhT-Xq8y9kTY9YnVAZdKXByMnKAIIZPsRzNuM&usqp=CAU

[primal laurel]

spooky

[last cedar]

Exactly, how did you guess?!

[solar zealot]

The fluffy tail gave it away

Insider news

[forest edge]

my kind of setup https://youtu.be/iOn6ctZrZmI?si=1BAPbbvKXJr2a4jI

funny thing, that glycol system is what my mothers house has. have 4 of those panels on the roof but that system is not operational right now

[low harness]

Daaaw. That’s cute.

[primal laurel]

get a room already

[static schooner]

sudo apt install room

ok, ok, I'll show myself out...

[iron granite]

sudo apt purge humor

[primal laurel]

apt-get -a room

[forest edge]

@tidal bronze get your belated Valentine's plans ironed out yet?

[solar zealot]

it likely will involve wine and human food

[steel crag]

dpkg -i sense.of.humor.deb

[prisma briar]

Fedora, Arch

apt, dpkg?

[steel crag]

yeah, you know... like this https://packages.fedoraproject.org/pkgs/dpkg/dpkg/index.html

and, this https://man.archlinux.org/man/dpkg.1.en

https://tenor.com/view/culture-man-of-culture-cultured-gif-10903367

[prisma briar]

glhf with those

[steel crag]

I have had lots of fun with those

hence me knowing of their existence

[solar zealot]

fedora
look inside
debian

apk is the only valid one

[steel crag]

pkg and port deserve mention

[dusky plank]

pff

docker

[solar zealot]

podman

Wonder if there is an inbuilt way of disabling the default repo

[prisma briar]

I can imagine Draco with mom's spaghetti on his shirt

[steel crag]

https://tenor.com/view/wait-a-minute-no-castle-thinking-gif-13538923

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/wondering-galaxy-quest-alan-rickman-by-grabthars-hammer-dr-lazarus-gif-4984437

[gleaming crater]

https://tenor.com/view/gandalf-gif-21901672

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/rocket-raccoon-guardians-of-the-galaxy-scratch-head-gif-12710287

[tidal bronze]

Planning over lunch

[prisma briar]

man I ordered sauteed brussels sprouts yesterday, was supposed to be cooked in oil with bacon and veggies. They delivered me a container of raw brussels sprouts. I still want the sprouts I ordered.

[tidal bronze]

Brussel sprouts sautéed in pancetta is too good.

[ocean oar]

guanciale if you're feeling extra fancy

[prisma briar]

I bet prosciutto would be good too

Prosciutto is great on pizzas

[low harness]

Prosciutto is great, period.

[iron granite]

Bruschetta would be a nice snack right now

[gleaming crater]

https://tenor.com/view/what-whatever-pig-gif-14803667208352479132

[solar zealot]

one (1) tomato disk please

[gleaming crater]

I hear this one has a juicy plot

But it might get a little saucy

[orchid rose]

DVED

Also AI generated images are so 2023... https://openai.com/sora

[gleaming crater]

I can't wait for the unspeakable horrors this technology will surely create

[solar zealot]

they will be beyond our comprehension

[orchid rose]

The demos look incredible even though they have some pretty weird quirks

[gleaming crater]

I'm sure they edited out some nightmare fuel from the samples lol

[forest edge]

The no price on that menu means you pay too much.

[gleaming crater]

Unless it's at the end of that line of dots lol

[dire spear]

sufficed to say, that is not what i asked ai to do

[solar zealot]

A pizza

[dire spear]

i asked specificalyl for pineapple pizza. ai sucks

[solar zealot]

No it totally knew that this is an unacceptable request

[dire spear]

no, i asked for cortana eating a pizza. and apparenly it no longer is alowed to scour the net for copyright stuff

so it invented its own cortana

[solar zealot]

how did it figure out its blue

[dire spear]

blue robot woman maybe is all it knows?

no idea

but it created the same robot many times

so this it what it thinks cortana is

og, it did one time make the microsoft windows cortana button thing ha

[gleaming crater]

I've seen people get around copyright filters by adding features one at a time until they get what they're after

[forest edge]

Failed Smurf porn?

[gleaming crater]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-my-gif-13250130

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/nailed-it-smurfs-smurfs-the-lost-village-smurfs-movie-gif-8087452

[tidal bronze]

Was not listed 😕

[static schooner]

if you have to ask...

[forest edge]

cause they wanted you to eat the gross shit before finding out it was like 75 bucks

[static schooner]

maybe you got the date menu

wasn't that a thing back in the day?

[tidal bronze]

Like price not listed?

[static schooner]

yeah

'for the woman'

long ago

[tidal bronze]

Hmmm haven't come across.

Most good eateries now comes with set or tasting menu so no individual price anyway.

[static schooner]

https://www.thedailymeal.com/1167986/the-alarming-fine-dining-practice-of-womens-menus/#:~:text=These menus listed the same,cost of the final bill.

[forest edge]

so that's what was in the dressing room https://youtu.be/WBefZ0zFwU8?si=mNX5UEg3cb5firfi

[tidal bronze]

I still don't get the line "MKT Price" lol

Who's market are we talking about. 😆

[forest edge]

figures that was an article refering to LA lol

[static schooner]

seems like a very conservative-y thing, though

[tidal bronze]

@forest edge I am so confused. Your whole life revolves around California and LA. Get on that greyhound and move already.

[forest edge]

your the one who keeps bringing it up lol

[solar zealot]

we dont judge (we totally do)

[forest edge]

I will say the whole separate dental and eye care in the US is stupid as shit

how that still isn't even being considered a revision is beyond me

[gleaming crater]

Don’t you know teeth are luxury bones?!?!?

[forest edge]

what does that make vision?

[gleaming crater]

Bonus sensory input?

Premium Vision Orbs

[static schooner]

you can probably survive as just a functional torso

dental, hearing, vision, all optional for life

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-george-takeis-head-oh-my-gif-21002337

now that's crazy

[dire spear]

O_o

[gleaming crater]

I'm sure that's already some horror movie

[hollow glacier]

oh shit new the grand tour just dropped