the-water-cooler

[prisma briar]

Also that specific block design I wouldn't put inside a wall

I'd want something either covered or able to put heat shrink over

[clear ferry]

They surely do aluminum with special systems, but not domestic ones

The professional wagos have adaptable spring afaik, saw someone talk about using them in railway stuff too

[prisma briar]

Looks like Wago has a full railway division

[clear ferry]

Yeah, I laugh every time I see the YouTube videos of Americans with the screw cap wire connectors saying wagos are dangerous

[glacial knot]

wago is a compay after all^^

[prisma briar]

imo the wire nut vs wago debate is stupid. They're both fine for the jobs they're rated for.

[clear ferry]

Wire nut is a lot harder to do well, because you can't see what is happening inside it

[prisma briar]

None of the residental wago's I could find supported aluminum though

Wire nuts are easy to do, twist the nut on, give the wire a good 20-30kg tug, if the wire comes loose the connection isn't made right.

[glacial knot]

I don't like the purely push in wagos
But iiuc they aren't any weaker than the lever ones.

[clear ferry]

I too prefer lever

[prisma briar]

I bought a new light fixture for my pantry and it came with push-on wagos already on the wires for it

That was a first

I've never not had to provide my own connector for a light

[glacial knot]

maybe they worried someone would use wire nuts 🙂

[prisma briar]

From everything I've seen the wago vs wire nut debate is meritless and they're both perfectly fine, lol.

Wire nuts are cheaper though

At least here they are, idk what wagos cost over there

But a wire nut here is generally only a couple cents in cost

[glacial knot]

main difference I see is the amount of abuse. Wago's are hard to use with wrong mm² or more wires than intended

[prisma briar]

Ah, I've always followed spec on that stuff so I've never had an issue

I could see that being a problem though

You can buy outlets here that have those push in style connectors on the back instead of screw terminals on them, the guy who wired my house before me managed to shove wire a size too big into those outlets. The one outlet I got them out of without cutting the wire I absolutely destroyed by the end of it. I ended up having to cut a few cm off of every other outlet in my house because I wasn't going to do that for every outlet.

[clear ferry]

Snowing a bit

[clear ferry]

All I can think of when I see an American wall thing like that is Electroboom

https://tenor.com/view/dumb-move-gif-25500460

[gleaming crater]

Those push holes won’t even pass inspection most places either

“Homeowner holes” lol

[prisma briar]

Yea, they suck in about every way they could

First thing I did when I moved in was rip out every outlet and replace them with properly wired ones

They were all really old and loose too

Plugs just fell out of them

[gleaming crater]

Yeah same at my house

Bought a 20 pack right away

[clear ferry]

I'm always deadly afraid that the plug will fall out of the wall when I'm in the US

Give me a shucko socket

Have to use three hands to get it out

[gleaming crater]

Already lost some food because I didn’t replace the one my freezer was on lol

[prisma briar]

US plugs going bad and having things just fall out is a pretty common problem

[gleaming crater]

Shit design gonna suck lol

But they’re also like $1.50 for a new one and 20 min at best

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/leipzig-leipziger-leipzigergruppe-plug-stecker-gif-24034867

[prisma briar]

Yea, and generally the ones where things are falling out are like 30-40 year old outlets

[glacial knot]

nah, give me the 3phase ones that lock into place by rotation

[prisma briar]

New ones don't do that

[gleaming crater]

My whole house was 40 year old lose outlets

[prisma briar]

I suspect most 40 year old houses are full of them

[gleaming crater]

Lolll

They do have us style twist lock plugs but they’re not common outside industrial use

Or servers

[prisma briar]

Something that used to cause issues with plugs but seems to have largely stopped being an issue was different plugs having different thicknesses, so a thick plug would deform an outlet and thinner plugs would no longer hold

I remember that being more of a problem when I was a kid

[gleaming crater]

They prob had weak springs inside the outlet too

[prisma briar]

You can also get different styles of plugs. A commercial plug will have a different more robust spring configuration than a residential plug

iirc there's a spec for that but I can't remember what

[clear ferry]

I'm convinced my 5 year old is 130cm now, she reaches the overhead cupboards

[clear ferry]

Aka a 10 year old

[gleaming crater]

They grow up fast

[prisma briar]

(The contacts on the right also support a 20A plug but that faceplate for the outlet is only a 15A faceplate)

[glacial knot]

you know, you could just measure the height of a child

Just stand her next to one of your racks and track height that way

[prisma briar]

Can you keep them still for long enough to do that at that age?

"You're 18u on the old Dell rack"

[gleaming crater]

You don't have a door frame that your grandma measures you on? lol

Every time we'd come over she'd have to measure and date the line on the door

[prisma briar]

My mom did that for a short while when we were kids but then didn't think about it for a couple years and eventually painted over it

[clear ferry]

Mine is growing too fast, she's half a head taller than her peers, and soon the size of one tom cruise

[clear ferry]

She was 126 a few weeks ago

[gleaming crater]

You are measuring like an american lol

How many libraries of congress is that

[prisma briar]

She's .05 of an elephant

[clear ferry]

I said nothing about football fields, states or political scandals I'll have you know

She's the size of three watergates

[gleaming crater]

Lol

[prisma briar]

Yea, he was talking about heads, that's distinctly English.

[gleaming crater]

"size of one tom cruise" lol

[prisma briar]

I vote we revoke his 'American' label

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/peternity-tom-cruise-gif-18161997

[gleaming crater]

Lol

[prisma briar]

You can't be a spokesman for a crazy cult and still care about your country

[clear ferry]

Hey hey, scientology is fine, until you try to say it isn't

[gleaming crater]

Uhhh, america is basically a collection of cults built on an indian burial ground

[clear ferry]

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/pet-sematary-dead-better-gif-20795835

[prisma briar]

I'm having a hard time reading that as anything other than you saying you're glad indians are dead

[gleaming crater]

Lol no just cursed

[prisma briar]

I also never saw that movie

Or read the book

[prisma briar]

I have opinions about most of the other cults too.

[clear ferry]

The original movie is ok

The remakes are eh

It's one of the few king books I haven't read though

I need to read that one, and regulators

[prisma briar]

I read a couple King and Koontz books in school, I found the genre kind of rambly and boring.

Especially Koontz

I feel the same about most horror movies too

I find it hard to care about characters that are only there as plot devices to get messed with.

[gleaming crater]

About the only horror movie I like is Tucker and dale vs evil because it makes fun of the whole genre

[prisma briar]

I can get into them if there's some other aspect to them like comedy or they make characters I actually care about but characters in King novels always felt like they just existed to get beaten up

[clear ferry]

Not all king books are horror

But his writing can be very descriptive

Just like GRRM

[gleaming crater]

His best stuff isn't even under his own name

RE: The Green Mile

Supposedly some lady came up to Stephen King and was like "you write terrible stuff, you should be more like the author that wrote the green mile" not even knowing it was his non-horror pen name

Maybe I'm thinking shawshank redemption lol

Tho when I realized the author "James SA Corey" of the expanse was really two people I was like "what??"

[blazing musk]

Wagos are actually rated for aluminum if you use their sauce

https://www.wago.com/us/electrical-installers/practical-tip-connecting-aluminum-and-copper-conductors

[prisma briar]

None of the wagos I could find around here are, and from what I can tell that 'sauce' is snake oil.

I've seen 50 year old aluminum on copper contacts with no issues with no paste. It's all down to how you torque the screw.

[blazing musk]

I believe one of the biggest issues is galvanic corrosion though

[prisma briar]

The bigger issue is how much aluminum expands and contracts under heat

[blazing musk]

Wagos are spring loaded so that's not the issue

https://www.nachi.org/aluminum-wiring.htm

[prisma briar]

all aluminum has a single atom layer of oxidation on it if it's exposed to atmosphere

It doesn't build up beyond that

galvanic corrosion is mostly an issue with D/C power, not A/C

The major issues are how much aluminum expands and shrinks, it deforms connections that are not specced for it and causes weak connection/arcing over time

Arcing will cause crazy oxidation but that's it's own issue

Galvanic corrosion can be reversed by running current through a wire in reverse, A/C is constantly flipping the direction of flow.

Therefore A/C largely cancels it out

[blazing musk]

Thankfully I don't have any alu

[prisma briar]

My dryer and oven are on aluminum

[blazing musk]

This is a mess but I was tired

[prisma briar]

And my parents' house was all aluminum

The wires on those vues are way too long

Hard to make them not a mess

1m cable for a 5cm run

The longest run in my box was only maybe 200cm

[blazing musk]

Need a second empty box connected with a 2" conduit

[prisma briar]

I considered cutting the drywall away at the top and bottom of my panel and clamping onto the circuits on the outside

And mounting the vue on the wall next to it

Part of why I didin't is the power connector on the vue is not safe for exterior installation

[blazing musk]

Yeah but you'd have to separate the conductors

[prisma briar]

That too

I didn't get far enough to think about that before I decided against it

[blazing musk]

Haha

[tidal bronze]

Best way to go

[prisma briar]

I could've done that, too. Got a 90deg PVC pipe and punched out a 2" punchout on my breaker box to run all the sensors out to the garage with

[tidal bronze]

I wish they came with smaller CT sensors

[prisma briar]

I wish they weren't so easy to twist out of alignment while trying to clamp them one handed

[blazing musk]

f*"+ING snap already!

[prisma briar]

Yea, that got old after 18 clamps

[blazing musk]

I'm at 28 circuit and 2 service clamps now

[tidal bronze]

Crazy.

[blazing musk]

I put second leg coverage on the water heater and dryer because I think the motor runs at 120 on both

[prisma briar]

I've only got 16 circuits coming off my main box so 1 vue was enough for me

I have a subpanel with another 6 circuits on it but I don't really need to monitor them individually

[tidal bronze]

There are some nice CT clamps out there but guess they are trying to keep the unit affordable.

[prisma briar]

Yea, the Vue beat what I could DIY something for

Just getting the CT clamps was going to cost me more than the Vue did

[tidal bronze]

Same here. I only clipped to solar bus and energy suckers.

I will have to redo the entire panel setup, maybe add 3rd sub-panel to get everything in.

[prisma briar]

I was thinking of getting some tandem circuit breakers I could run two 20a circuits from to extend my breaker box

[gleaming crater]

Why the vue over the iotwatt?

[prisma briar]

I want to run a circuit to my new pantry so I can have some appliances permanently plugged in in there like my kettle and toaster

I did not pay $389 for my vue

That's only for 12 circuits + 2 mains anyways

https://stuff.iotawatt.com/product/iotawatt-120v-kit/?v=7516fd43adaa

[tidal bronze]

Years ago tried this as well https://circuitsetup.us/product-category/power-management/?v=7516fd43adaa

Vue is cheaper and PNP

[prisma briar]

If I had a bunch of disparate points I wanted to monitor maybe something like that would make sense, but a vue with esphome on it is really hard to beat

[blazing musk]

$160 for service+16 circuits is definitely hard to beat

[prisma briar]

I also have 8 smart plugs that have current monitoring on them

Some random junk freebees I got and flashed with tuya-convert and some Zigbee ones that weren't even advertised as having current sensors.

And another half dozen UPSes around the house with current sensors on them

[tidal bronze]

Did you run some tests with esphome flashed?

[prisma briar]

What kind of tests are you interested in?

I think most of the vue users here probably have flashed esphome on them

[tidal bronze]

Net calculations, calibration etc

[gleaming crater]

That's a lot of soldering for it to be 'most' lol

[prisma briar]

You can just hold the programming pins on the pads for a minute while you flash it

[gleaming crater]

Lol I'd prob just tack on some jumper wires briefly

[prisma briar]

I cleaned the solder out of the holes and just rested some dupont wires in them

[gleaming crater]

I already have some on my ftdi

[prisma briar]

I used an esp32 dev board held under reset for my serial connection, lol

[gleaming crater]

I have an ftdi from when I flashed a pile of Costco feit bulbs

Which seem to be way more durable than my damn LIFX bulbs

[prisma briar]

I have a few FTDI boards but they all have mini usb connectors on them and I never have a mini usb cable handy

And an esp32 or arduino board with the mcu held under reset works just as well

[gleaming crater]

That sounds inconvenient

[tidal bronze]

https://github.com/emporia-vue-local/esphome/discussions/225 🤔 I will stay with stock for now 😆

[prisma briar]

None of that seems that crazy to me but I'm also familiar with esphome

[tidal bronze]

Time is the issue.

[prisma briar]

Fair

I value keeping everything in-house

[tidal bronze]

Not me. Really don't care where the data goes what people do with it. Just my view. But I get your point.

[prisma briar]

It's not so much that as much as I want all of my stuff to keep working if the internet goes out.

Or if a company goes bust.

[tidal bronze]

This case surely I will take the esphome route. My primary goal is less tinkering and more enjoying.

[prisma briar]

As far as calibration goes this is rated as a 5000w space heater, I haven't measured it's exact pull with another sensor though.

But it's within a couple percent at worst

I didn't go through the calibration proceedure for esphome vue, I left it at the default values.

Nothing I'm using it for cares about that level of accuracy

[tidal bronze]

I compared vue csv exports for 12 months and with energy bill. I am mostly interested in Solar generation. The whole reason for vue was that Tesla energy monitoring was down right nuts and didn't want to waste time with Tesla support. Vue did the job and that's what matters

[solar zealot]

are there any <reasonable priced> ups around which dont have like 15w idle power draw

[prisma briar]

You can measure current going both ways with esphome vue pretty easily. I've never worked on a solar setup so idk exactly how that works though.

I've been considering getting solar.

I'd have to talk the city into cutting a tree down though, idk if they would

hugeass 100ft tree right outside my property line that casts a shadow on most of my roof

[blazing musk]

Hmmm, I don't know what my CyberPower idle draw is

[blazing musk]

I put pin headers on. Still fits in the case.

[prisma briar]

I didn't have any pin headers left, lol

[blazing musk]

I did recently but it's only about 3% off at the worst

[prisma briar]

All I had were a bunch of 1 or 2 pin segments left

[solar zealot]

currently looking at eaton ones but they dont seem to list that

[tidal bronze]

They might.

[blazing musk]

I put them in as singles because they stagger the holes

[prisma briar]

idk if I want to lose the tree either, heh

[tidal bronze]

Add more panels

[blazing musk]

Bluetack to hold them in place while I solder

[prisma briar]

The only trees on my land when I moved in were pine trees overtrimmed to the point they were dying

One was already dead

[blazing musk]

We've got these awesome cedars but they only cover about 40% of the day

Afternoon

[prisma briar]

The pine trees I had were trimmed down to about 7ft tall

I'm pretty sure they should have been closer to 20 or 30 ft

And there was like an inch of green left on the end of the branches

So I think someone took old huge trees and tried to trim them down to be small decorative trees and basically killed them

They also trimmed the bushes in the front yard back too far and made them ugly af

2/3 of what was visible was just brown sticks

(They were all evergreen bushes that shouldn't be trimmed like that)

[gleaming crater]

When I moved in I had two surprise rhododendrons that had been cut to a stump

[prisma briar]

Ugh, there were like 6 pine tree stumps in my front yard when I moved in.

[gleaming crater]

What a pain to clear too

[prisma briar]

I dug around all of them and chopped them below ground level with a chainsaw

Took a couple days to hit all of them, partially due to waiting for batteries to charge

In hindsight a battery powered chainsaw was a mistake

[gleaming crater]

Lol that’s one of the few things I have that is gas

That and the saw blade weed whacker

[prisma briar]

I eventually found an 18V 12AH battery for mine on sale for half price and picked it up

I have a bunch of other tools that use them too

But it chewed through the 18V 4AH batteries in like 10 minutes

I don't have a weed whacker. I removed all my grass and put down poison every year to keep it away

Xeriscaping yay

I'm planning on getting some desert plants that'll survive the cold and putting them in planters

'all my grass' was like 1 sq m of grass and 20 sq m of weeds

And another 20 sq m of mud

[gleaming crater]

I need to rent a herd of goats this spring

[prisma briar]

Kind of sucks, looking back at old photos of my house the yards were meticulously maintained when it sold like 5 years before I got it and the previous owner just did nothing to maintain them.

If this house still had the yard it used to have I'd 100% maintain it

[gleaming crater]

I have this super odd lot, I have a third of an acre in Seattle that owns behind the next two neighbors as well

When I moved in there was basically a small house sized mountain of blackberries in the back

I’m still fighting them after having them scrubbed clean

[prisma briar]

I'm on a really small compact lot

housing prices here suck.

[gleaming crater]

The neighbors were thrilled I cleared them because rats lived in them and attacked their yards lol

[prisma briar]

I removed some old shitty bushes off of the city land when I moved in because they were infested with mice

Nobody ever said anything to me about it

But I don't have mice in my back yard anymore

[gleaming crater]

As long as it’s maintained the city typically DGAF

Tho Seattle has lots of steep slope regs

[prisma briar]

They weren't maintained, that was the problem

[gleaming crater]

If I were to cut trees on my slope I’d go to jail lol

[prisma briar]

Just piles of sticks and bushes that had built up

Trees I wouldn't have cut

And if the bushes had been in a good shape at all or not harboring mice I wouldn't have removed them

[gleaming crater]

I have a whole extended back yard I still need to landscape more, so far I’ve only planted trees lol

[prisma briar]

The area I'm in is too dense to have a real back yard

[gleaming crater]

I mean there is a good 40x80 section of my lot I’ve never even been able to set foot on lol

Too steep and wooded

[prisma briar]

I have a 1600 sq ft house and another 400 sq ft covered outdoor 'sunroom' area, a two car garage, and like 300 sq ft of yard between front and back

[gleaming crater]

Heh yah most people in Seattle have already sold their yards for more development

Too many places have another place 5 ft away in the back

[prisma briar]

There's a dog park/field two houses down from me though so I haven't had much of an issue with the lack of yard

[gleaming crater]

Nice

My dogs are literally too small for the small dog area at a park

Even the small dogs think they’re cats that need murdered

[prisma briar]

One of the people I rent a room to has a 15lbs dog and mine is about 35lbs

[blazing musk]

Should have gotten a chihuahua. No dog is more self-assured of its badassery.

I went to the Woodland Park off leash area once years ago and there was a chihuahua standing on a picnic table barking at all the other dogs

[gleaming crater]

Pomeranians are just a chihuahua in a fur coat lol

[blazing musk]

True

[gleaming crater]

Someone new moved in across the street with a chihuahua and now they have borkoffs

[prisma briar]

There's a huge dog park a few miles from me, something like 25 acres off leash

[gleaming crater]

We have a ton of those around here

Seattle stereotypes is everyone has dogs here lol

[blazing musk]

Yeah, I was going to say sounds like the sandpoint off leash area

[prisma briar]

Most of the dog parks here are more akin to children's playgrounds but for dogs, with a fence around them

Somewhere you can go play fetch for 5 minutes and they can take a shit

[gleaming crater]

Westcrest is pretty huge too

[blazing musk]

The only one I've ever been to that has vegetation left on the ground is Northacres though

[prisma briar]

The field next to me is part of a trail system so I don't let my dog off leash there

Since it's not confined

There's a dog friendly bar about 200m from my house too

[gleaming crater]

I trust my dogs as far as the extendo leash goes haha

[prisma briar]

I've had my dog off leash a few times without issue

Mostly at the dog park but she also wiggled out of her harness once

[gleaming crater]

Lol for my dogs it’s as much for their own safety, I’ve had to pull them into the air out of reach of another dog

[prisma briar]

She ran in a circle then ran straight home and sat on my porch until I caught up, heh

[gleaming crater]

They both look like you’re depriving them of dinner lol

[prisma briar]

I could never have my dog off leash near a road, every single time she sees roadkill, even if it's roadkill she's seen 5 times before, she tries running straight for it

I always have to lock my leash short on busy roads

[gleaming crater]

“That’s some gourmet shit”

My son dumped the ice from a fish cooler in the yard one time, dogs were rolling in the spot for a week

[glacial knot]

how long do you keep roadkill on the road? o.0

[gleaming crater]

Till it’s a fine paste?

[glacial knot]

Oh, just waiting for the rain to wash it off?

[prisma briar]

I've seen roadkill sit there for a week before

[gleaming crater]

Depends on where lol

In the city prob gone quick but rural could be a long while

[prisma briar]

There's a lot of roadkill here to be worrying about washing every random rabbit that gets hit off the road

[gleaming crater]

I’ve seen the hordes of rats in the alleys downtown at night

[prisma briar]

Also road kill doesn't rot when it's sitting on asphalt that hasn't got above freezing in three months

[glacial knot]

it'll take longer to become a proper paste if doesn't rot though

[prisma briar]

I'm pretty sure my city has some sort of service to clean roadkill off of roads but I don't think they patrol daily for it

[blazing musk]

They probably don't care if it's smaller than a cat

[prisma briar]

Yea but it also doesn't stink when you walk past it

[glacial knot]

In rural areas it's generally part of a hunter's obligation to take care of roadkill in ~the area they own.
No idea about the city.

if it stinks, just have coal roller drive by every hour

Just bind all the nasty with some activated carbon 🧠

[prisma briar]

We had animals die in our back yard growing up a couple times, we used to just throw them in the trash until our trash company told us we needed to call the county for disposal

And ofc the county took like two weeks to get out there

Prarie dogs, stray cats, and skunks mostly

(prarie dogs are rodents, not dogs, before any EU people get offended)

[blazing musk]

Pretty sure here you're just required to bag it and you can toss it in the trash

[prisma briar]

Honestly we kept doing that for smaller things

[blazing musk]

1 week baking in the trash can stinks though

[glacial knot]

that's what home made catapults are made for. Make it someone else's problem

[prisma briar]

We had a fox die out there once though and called the county over that and they took forever

My parents had the opposite of my current situation, tiny house with a huge yard.

[gleaming crater]

We used to have a rabbit problem around here but now we just have coyote sightings lol

Also why we don’t let the cat out after dark haha

[glacial knot]

why? does the cat hunt coyotes?

[gleaming crater]

Uhhhhh lol

Quite the reverse

More than a few cats around here haven’t come home

Coyotes are smart and hunt in packs, most small critters are in their food chain

[low harness]

I was finally forced to rebuild my firewall and could switch to opnsense! 🎉

[gleaming crater]

Old one blew up, eh?

[low harness]

Pretty much

[prisma briar]

Not wanting to remake 6 vlans of firewall rules is why I'm still on pfSense

[gleaming crater]

Also cuz pfsense just works lol

[prisma briar]

Yea, that too

[low harness]

That was my reason too

[prisma briar]

I haven't had any real reason to switch

[low harness]

Now it was "might as well"

[prisma briar]

I can't imagine what would happen that'd cause me to need to switch from pfSense

Even if my install ate shit I'd just restore it from backup

[low harness]

yeah.... backups.... ehrm...

I was just about to get to that...

[prisma briar]

owait, that's my HA vm

That's my pfSense one

[clear ferry]

Did someone say opnsense

[late gate]

I got a free license for the business version of zenarmor on opnsense. Is it worth running?

[ocean oar]

This? https://www.zenarmor.com/zenarmor-next-generation-firewall

[late gate]

Also any ipv6 gurus? Everytime I tried to turn on ipv6 based on opnsense guides I a weird lag or slowdown . Is it any things that should be looked at?

@ocean oar yes

So got the Business - $1,361/yr for free

[ocean oar]

Even the "Home" non-commercial license seems like it'd be pretty decent, if it does what it says on the tin

I assume you know - or have at least looked into - what you're getting yourself into with a "L7" NGFW? Because frankly they can be a colossal fucking pain in the arse.

(usually) amazing security, but that one time you just want to do something "simple" you end up fighting with it for 30 minutes because it refuses to do "simple"

[clear ferry]

Probably because your ISP either does a shitty dual stack or you misconfigured something

[surreal quest]

Hey there! I created my very first Home Assistant AddOn: https://github.com/open-thngs/home-assistant-sensor-tag-addon
It is used to translate UDP Pakets from the Thread Sensor Tag into a Home Assistant Device using the MQTT Discovery feature.
The Thread Sensor Tag is an open source Sensor to measure Temperature, Humidity, Pressure and Light with ultra low power using the Thread Network.
Here you can find the sources of the Sensor: https://github.com/HomeSmartMesh/nrf52_thread_sensortag
Or some informations about the Sensor: https://www.homesmartmesh.com/docs/microcontrollers/nrf52/thread_sensortag/#overview
Or you can even buy the Sensor here: https://www.tindie.com/products/23918/

The AddOn DOCS also describe how to start an OpenThread Border Router using the nRF52840 USB Dongle and Home Assistant!
Feel free to give ma some feedback! Thanks

[static schooner]

#thread-archived or the forum would be a better place for this

[late gate]

Im sure im doing something wrong. As im using altibox it should be avnarive /56 scope. Im not really sure where i do the mistake.

[blazing musk]

I heard that some groups will have one play with a domestic dog until the dog follows it back to its waiting friends

So many outdoor cats in my neighborhood, so many missing cats

[solar zealot]

They are friend shaped

They wouldn't do any harm

[blazing musk]

There was a second one out of frame here with a dead rabbit or cat. Couldn't tell exactly.

[gleaming crater]

Yeah not only do we have coyotes here, but bald eagles regularly hang out in the area, it’s why I didn’t give my dogs a bigger yard lol

[ocean oar]

Fortunately the only native bird of prey here is pretty small. My nextdoor neighbour did witness one eviscerating sparrows in the trees around our houses though

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand_falcon

[gleaming crater]

I watched a seagull rip a squirrels guts out in front of a kid at the park

But somebody got their dog snatched by the bald eagles that nest down on alki point lol

[ocean oar]

Damn, that's some circle of life shit right there

[gleaming crater]

Lol kid looked pretty traumatized

I’m pretty sure someone posted a video of a bald eagle flying off with an entire deer

Those things are basically living dinosaurs lol

[ocean oar]

We used to have one of those: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haast's_eagle

Because when you have the largest flightless bird (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moa) you also need the largest eagle to prey on it 😄

Oh also apparently hilariously giant penguins: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/fossils-of-a-340-pound-giant-penguin-found-in-new-zealand-180981611/

[blazing musk]

Yeah they love the lake

And the sound, since you mention Alki

I love this dino pic

Baby blue heron

[ocean oar]

Yeah that one is... interesting

Here are some other great NZ birds

This is a Kereru, a pigeon so large it can barely fly:

[solar zealot]

That's a large pigeon

[ocean oar]

These are Takahe, flightless and therefore predictably critically endangered:

[umbral cliff]

Whilst in Aus we have the wedge tailed eagle
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wedge-tailed_eagle

[ocean oar]

This is a Weka, which my sister jokingly refers to as the "short-beaked daytime kiwi":

[umbral cliff]

What is it with NZ and flightless birds

[ocean oar]

(also flightless)

[umbral cliff]

Feels like most of the birds there are flightless

On a country that is split into islands

[ocean oar]

We had no mammals. They didn't need to fly because there were no ground-dwelling predators

[umbral cliff]

Whilst australia we've got most of the Marsupials lol

[ocean oar]

The only native NZ mammal is a bat. Ironically, something that can fly

[solar zealot]

Thought that would be a feature of -fastfood country- birds

[umbral cliff]

Ah that makes a lot of sense
Compared to here where we have (or had) the tasmanian tiger, the dingo, etc

[ocean oar]

We also have one of the cutest owls you've ever seen: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morepork

[solar zealot]

It looks so shocked

"oh no I think I left the stove on"

[umbral cliff]

My partner loves the Kākāpō in NZ
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kākāpō

They're so cute

[solar zealot]

Why are y'all have so many cute animals around

[ocean oar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9T1vfsHYiKY

[umbral cliff]

NZ somehow gets the cute ones, australia got the deadly ones

I vote we should share

[ocean oar]

You can have about 30,000,000 possums back 😄

[solar zealot]

best i can do is this soft focus fox

[umbral cliff]

Possums are adorable

[solar zealot]

They are surprisingly unsuspicious of humans in the city

[umbral cliff]

These are the true possums, for you americans who think opossums are possums

Look how cute the brush tail possum is

We also have the wombat, that can run up to 40kmh. Tiny ball of muscle lol

[blazing musk]

Poop cubes!

[static schooner]

A surprising amount of research has gone into that 🙂 https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/29/australia/wombat-poop-cubes-intl-scli-scn?cid=ios_app

I remember a podcast on it

God's work

[last cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/possum-opossum-scared-ахуй-freaked-out-gif-14267767681427156165

[umbral cliff]

We also have the worlds happiest animal

[umbral cliff]

I love that

[smoky birch]

every time I come to this channel people are talking about animals

[static schooner]

I call Fake Crab

Krab

[young sigil]

I'm quite fond of this muppet that likes to impersonate a branch https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=600316937&q=tawny+frogmouth&tbm=isch

[blazing musk]

new mystery: with every circuit covered, what is with these spikes on my service CTs?

I guess there are some 240 circuits that aren't both legs monitored, but they shouldn't be running any 120.

[finite atlas]

its little gnomes stealing electrons

[clear ferry]

What is the actual problem, latency or slowness? Have you tried doing some icmp6 ?

[tidal bronze]

@forest edge how's the weather?

[primal laurel]

which spikes exactly? 😅

[glacial knot]

I assume the ones where total is not the sum of all components

[primal laurel]

which one is total?

[prisma briar]

Do you have a clamp on backwards with the default esphome vue configuration's filtering on?

Hmm, I might move my furnace blower from hard wired to a wall plug.

Then I could move it to an inverter if the power goes out

Or I could just throw it on a UPS

[prisma briar]

Mine adds up pretty closely

I'm only monitoring one leg of some 240v devices that are pulling some 120v, my A/C and Dryer specifically, which is probably why I have a slight error, but yours looks like a missing circuit.

I hate that graph for readability for everything except comparing all individual readings to the total reading

[primal laurel]

unless you synchronize the sampling of all meters you're always going to have some mismatch

[prisma briar]

I believe the Vue queries each meter every 250ms

I'm grouping them into 5s windows and averaging them for my graph though

Mostly so I can get timestamps to align

And also rendering a point every 250ms for 6 hours makes my PC fans go brrrr

[primal laurel]

I see some people do the same with smart plugs and then wonder why it doesnt match their total consumption... well yeah

[prisma briar]

Yea, but none of the discrepancies on mine are anywhere near as severe or persistent as what Deltigre had.

I don't have kilowatts missing for tens of minutes on end

None of my circuits ever read exactly 0w so I'd be suspect of the circuits he has that are. All of mine read at least a fraction of a watt.

The only one I ever had read 0w was one I installed the clamp backwards on

[low harness]

Speaking of opnsense, I have a DNS configuration issue maybe someone could help with.
I keep all my internal services behind a traefik reverse proxy, so I have like plex.mydomain.com and hass.mydomain.com etc.
As always, that requires either a NAT hairpin/loopback or a DNS override for the local network to redirect requests to traefik.
I added a DNS override for *.mydomain.com, and so far everything works fine.
The issue is I want mqtt.mydomain.com to redirect directly to my mqtt broker container.
In pfsense I cold do this, mqtt would redirect there, and anything else to traefik.
But in opnsense unbound crashes when I try it.

[prisma briar]

Use a normal DNS server as your primary DNS and set up an authoritative zone for mydomain.com on it?

Absent functional DNS overrides in your router that would be the way to do it.

Could probably do something like set up a dnsmasq container to do the forwarding you want too

[clear ferry]

I just made this, and it worked, and I'm so proud, but fuck it is ugly

https://hatebin.com/unefqhfdou

day 5 of learning python, moving forward

[red rock]

agreed

But

Nice progress 🙂

[glacial knot]

is there a reason you scramble into appending to passlist, instead of scrambling over a concat of all 3 inputs? 🤔

[low harness]

Lines 17-20 are NOPs, and I'm sure there must be a function in random to pick n items. But looks good.

[clear ferry]

because I'm a newbie 😄

I was just playing around with imports

[low harness]

Yes. Without testing```python
for passwordletters in range(0, inletters):

print(random.choice(chars))

passlist.append(random.choice(letlist))```

is likely equivalent withpython passlist.append(random.choices(letlist, k=inletters)

[clear ferry]

[low harness]

I'm adding that to my toolbox

[glacial knot]

the python toolbox is the one with 7 seals, 5 of which shall not be opened

[low harness]

Maybe you need a closing ) in my alternative too... idk

[clear ferry]

I find the random choice thing not very random

if I put in 5 letters, 13 symbols and 4 numbers I get back vsrsr@@?@^@%?'}&@3377

Oh, I know what I'm doing

I'm selecting only a select few of each, instead of randoming them all

[glacial knot]

yea, that's why I asked if you do that for a reason

[clear ferry]

carry on, I'm an idiot

At least I realized what I'm doing

[glacial knot]

you can pick enough of all into a single list, then return a random permutation of that array 🧠

[clear ferry]

hey hey hey

I'm on day 5 of python

with no programming experience the last 25 years

[glacial knot]

oi! this is maths. Programming is just the boring task of making that maths executable in code

[clear ferry]

hey hey hey, I barely passed vocational math

I got a 2

[red rock]

out of?

[clear ferry]

norwegian scale is 1-6, where 1 is flunk

my answer looks nothing like the teachers solution, but I'm still thoroughly impressed by myself

[primal laurel]

that's more or less my whole degree in one sentence

[clear ferry]

degree, no time for that nonsense

wurk wurk wurk

[prisma briar]

               random.choices(string.punctuation, k=insymbols) + 
               random.choices(string.digits, k=innumbers)
random.shuffle(passwordlist)
print(f"Yer password is: {''.join(passwordlist)}")```

Argubally you should be using the secrets module instead of the random module for generating passwords but it doesn't have the 'choices' function, only 'choice'.

''.join([str(item) for item in passlist]) Joining into a string is going to implicitly convert everything to a string, you don't need the [str(item) for item in passlist], you can just do ''.join(passlist) there

[primal laurel]

otherwise I was going to end up as a sys admin 🤓

[prisma briar]

LPT: If you take that attitude with the people who run the systems you need to work with in the real world they'll make your life impossible.

Also in my experience devs generally suck at being sysadmins

[red rock]

DevSecOps

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-kevin-malone-i-was-supposed-to-tell-somebody-but-i-didnt-gif-25464539

[iron granite]

I work as an Oops

I break things

[red rock]

lmao

[primal laurel]

I work as an Oopsie. Break things in engineering

[iron granite]

Oh! Isn't it hard to be limited to engineering for breaking things?

[primal laurel]

Breaking things in production is not an option in EE

[iron granite]

Boo!

[earnest tiger]

#YOLO

[forest edge]

32F and climbing this week

[tidal bronze]

@forest edge hmm

[forest edge]

you are there in 33F weather?

[static schooner]

Sure looks like a California dude

Backwards cap, scruffy hair, trendy headphones, staring at phone

Didn't bring a jacket because he doesn't own one

[forest edge]

the next time a stranger points a banana at you https://youtu.be/jIIjd72flAM?si=WN5FRC4jEPF6Sjew

[iron granite]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D72m6NFMckw

[clear ferry]

Yeah, those guys are useless

[primal laurel]

there can only be so many

[clear ferry]

Thankfully

[blazing musk]

I actually figured it out last night. Turns out the heated floor uses 120 sometimes.

[blazing musk]

Good thing you can also make a non-stacked graph 😂

(this is meant in a non-condescending way)

[primal laurel]

Are you familiar with s6 overlay?

[blazing musk]

Also @prisma briar they must have gotten complaints about CT plug retention, because I noticed that they started adding that silicone adhesive to the tops of the CT receptacles and it was harder to insert the plugs on the new one

Old

New

[clear ferry]

Yes

[primal laurel]

I'm learning it

Coming for your job

Jk

[glacial knot]

budget sytemd 😂

[primal laurel]

Oh no

Why

[glacial knot]

that's kinda what s6 is^^
and all because of launchd

[clear ferry]

I'll feel threatened when you know 25 common hardware platforms and a few obscure ones

[clear ferry]

Yo dawg, I heard you liked systemd, so we put systemd inside your systemd

[glacial knot]

ulala, systemd-nspawn

fwiw, poettering is actually quite reasonable IRL

also, larger than I thought o.0

[primal laurel]

define 'know' a hardware platform

[clear ferry]

Know what to do to make it work if it is broken, regardless of state of broken

[clever mortar]

Know how to break it, regardless of it being working

[clear ferry]

That is also a good criteria

I do enjoy breaking systems that cost €5m

[glacial knot]

milli euros? 🤔

[clear ferry]

y'all should fix this

[clear ferry]

Better than picoeuro

[primal laurel]

which ones do you know?

[clear ferry]

It's easier to list the ones I don't tbh

any storage or server or networking product HP(E) has released since 2000 should be a good start

[primal laurel]

nice

[clear ferry]

N 🧊

[glacial knot]

R🧊

I just ate, but I remain hungry 😦

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-bread-raccoon-bread-raccoon-with-bread-racco-gif-22120699

[static schooner]

Thank goodness for second breakfast

Hobbits know what's up

[primal laurel]

second trashcan?

[red rock]

Does anyone have any advice for a big time procrastinator

[prisma briar]

Wear a clock around your neck?

[red rock]

Like, I should work on my thesis

[red rock]

and I am at the point where I am just refreshing github 1 million times and no new notifications happened

and I opened some news websites, with no updates

and I do everything except work on my thesis

[prisma briar]

Mine had the little tabs on it

[prisma briar]

Yea, I only made that to compare to your graph. I would never make something like this for myself, lol.

[iron granite]

A timetable might help. Setting working times for thesis work and reward times for more fun stuff.

[red rock]

I tried pomodoro

It turned out the other way around

5 minutes focus time on my thesis

25 minutes of fucking around

I must say, I am just missing some dopamine in general

[iron granite]

If planning time yourself doesn't work at all, a psychologist might be helpful.
Pathologic procrastinating is a thing, often associated with ADHD

[primal laurel]

build a steady rhythm. Wake up 'early'. Drink coffee. Regular breaks. Stop working around diner time (or max 20:00 for me)

that's what got me through my master at least

[red rock]

I mean last week I got my rhytm nice

Like the weekend before last weekend I was actually vibing and feeling good

But last weekend I had nothing to do really

so I just stayed in bed for way too long

[primal laurel]

tomorrow is another day

in the meantime, how the f do I get cargo into an alpine base image

[iron granite]

RUN apk add --no-cache cargo in the Dockerfile?

[red rock]

Yea but at those days I want to be productibe

but I don't have anything tod o

and today I also did nothing

(Altho, I dodged a bullet, I was very tired this morning so I decided to stay at home)

(All train traffic near Utrecht was just down because power outage

[iron granite]

You messed with the Utrecht power integration?

[red rock]

ssshtt

[static schooner]

hardcore procrastination

Also, "computers" and "the Internet" can usually reduce the need to travel

[red rock]

Yes

but at home I work for 0.1%

at the office for 2%

and free lunch

And I get to touch some grass, so that's a nice addition

[clear ferry]

I have no interest in returning to office work again

Get nothing done

And 2-4h of lost work time every day just to travel

[prisma briar]

I wouldn't mind office work if there were actually people in the office with me

[red rock]

Oh I just check github to review stuff

[clear ferry]

Not possible while driving

[prisma briar]

Last time I was in an office I was the only person on my team within 1200 miles so I just sat there alone all day, that sucked.

[clear ferry]

Or, sure is

Not a good idea though

I left my house 24 times in 2022 for work, 2023 was probably around 40, I haven't written my books yet

I was in the office maybe 6 of those

[prisma briar]

Excluding things like going to pick up a new mouse for my office desk I haven't left the house for work since 2020

[clear ferry]

Most of my visits was also to pick up goods, or parade the kids

[prisma briar]

I went full WFH when Covid hit and never looked back, lol

[red rock]

I need more discipline for that lol

And I am too much of a social butterfly for that

[clear ferry]

I'm flying to look at a house 1200km from our office on Thursday

[primal laurel]

yep, but that also seems to need a bunch of stuff

[prisma briar]

My work rate improved when I went WFH

[red rock]

Like when I go full WFH, I can just go work freelance and earn the big bucks

[prisma briar]

I tried freelance work for a while, it sucked.

[red rock]

I did a project in november

it was quite nice

[clear ferry]

I have a friend who lives in panama and works fully WFH with VMware customers in north america

[prisma briar]

I mostly had issues with having to fight with people to get paid

The actual work was fine

[clear ferry]

Yeah, I could probably double my income if I went freelance, can't be bothered though

And I would have less free time and fun

[iron granite]

Have you added the dependencies?

[prisma briar]

Too many people tried to just ghost me when it came time to pay me, lol.

I took maybe 20 smaller jobs over a few months when I tried and had to fight on probably 25% of them to get paid

And the platform I was accepting jobs on did nothing to try to help me, even though they were supposed to have guarantees on that kind of stuff.

[primal laurel]

not yet, trying to figure out what they are

[iron granite]

https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/package/edge/main/x86_64/cargo

And the dependencies have more subdependencies

[prisma briar]

Linux likes it's subdependencies

[primal laurel]

I need to add all of those myself to the dockerfile?

[iron granite]

I think so

But...

The APK documentation states, dependencies are installed automatically.

Use add to install packages from a repository. Any necessary dependencies are also installed. If you have multiple repositories, the add command installs the newest package.

[prisma briar]

I haven't messed with alpine but I'd be really surprised if you need to manually key in all your dependencies

The entire point of keeping track of dependencies in a rigid format like that is for a package manager to download them.

[iron granite]

Yeah

[primal laurel]

I see it's complaining about cmake and pkg-config

let me check

https://github.com/pola-rs/polars/issues/8852#issuecomment-1549439874

guess this is not going to work

[prisma briar]

Just go with a normal distro at that point

[primal laurel]

yep

[prisma briar]

Or maybe try compiling whatever polars is trying to import as a static module?

https://pythonspeed.com/articles/alpine-docker-python/ makes sense

Alpine has always seemed like a pointless project to me. I get trying to save 50MB here and there in 2005, but in 2024 the tedium of learning and maintaining a second system for such a trivial benefit is not worth it.

[primal laurel]

I will try the ubuntu base image first, I can always go back later to optimize it if needed

[prisma briar]

With the way layered FSes work it's not like you're really using much more disk space spinning up 100 ubuntu containers vs 100 alpine containers either

[primal laurel]

It's for a home assistant addon so image size is not the most important thing I guess

[void stream]

Hello guys! Thought I join this server. Can be usefull 😀

[clear ferry]

We are definitely not useful

[ocean oar]

In fact I'm actively unhelpful

[low harness]

For those playing along at home, the solution to my problem was to not add DNS overrides for *.mydomain.com and mqtt.mydomain.com, but for *.mydomain.com and *.mqtt.mydomain.com.

[prisma briar]

Makes sense but also jank

[solar zealot]

i lack the knowledge to figure out what this does

[prisma briar]

Was it treating *. and mqtt. as duplicate entries?

[solar zealot]

what would *.mqtt.mydomain.com be required for

[prisma briar]

*. doesn't extend to subdomains (ex. a.a.domain.com does not match *.domain.com) though so that makes sense it'd allow another subdomain still

[solar zealot]

its a bit weird that you would need to exclude? the mqtt one

would have expected it to prioritize exact matches over wildcards

[prisma briar]

My guess without seeing the logs is it was treating them as conflicting and rejecting the config

He said it was crashing when he had it as mqtt.

[solar zealot]

hm

wildcards and 101 reasons why you should avoid them ;D

[tidal bronze]

Reading socal like a book.

[static schooner]

Air travel to places that require a coat are very annoying. It's like another carryon

[tidal bronze]

Yep. Landed with shorts not a good thing 🤣

[static schooner]

you need a leg coat

[ocean oar]

You mean... cargo pants?

[gleaming crater]

Also known as birth-control pants

[static schooner]

especially when they unzip to turn into shorts

[gleaming crater]

One at a time ladies

[static schooner]

those are haut

sexy and functional

[gleaming crater]

My wife banned cargo shorts from my wardrobe lol

[tidal bronze]

So glad to be closer to home. Waiting on my shrimp burger.

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/pants-dance-funny-bounce-bouncing-gif-15206271

[gleaming crater]

What on urf

[static schooner]

must be some deepfake?

Chris Cristie doing Chris Farley

[tidal bronze]

She asked me "truffle fries or salad with that shrimp burger?" I went with salad. So sadly that's not possible 🤣

[gleaming crater]

Why haven't they invented the food replicator yet

I'm tired of thinking about what to make for dinner

[tidal bronze]

If I am home I know what exactly to cook.

No need any help there

Goto costco or Gelsons walk around, get inspired, grab stuff come home and put it together

[gleaming crater]

One does not simply 'go to costco' where I live, the place is basically a 24/7 apocalypse where not a single parking spot will be open

Last time I dropped the wife and spent another 20 minutes parking

[tidal bronze]

Not where I live. Tons of parking actually too much. Total wine and costco next to each other. What more can you ask for

[gleaming crater]

It happens to be the first costco location ever too, the parking lot can't make enough spots for the demand because there is nowhere to expand

[tidal bronze]

I got 2 costcos within like 15 minutes

[gleaming crater]

The next nearest one is even worse, it sits at the nexus of multiple freeways and has a parking lot designed by satan himself

[static schooner]

they made a mess of the parking at one of the locations here (of 3 nearby, I think) when they put the gas station in. It pretty much blocks people from entering the parking lot due to the line for gas

the whole thing was very poorly planned, but in heavy use

[gleaming crater]

Ha I've had to park near the lines for gas it's wonderful even getting room to unload your groceries

Costco should be required to build parking garages

[static schooner]

I often have to go past the Costco and go in the far entrance to not compete with the gas station

[gleaming crater]

This one at least has the gas setup to force you entirely out away from costco so people only do it when they're leaving and get their own exit

They just funnel you under an overpass where you think you might get stabbed lol

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/picard-tea-earl-grey-star-trak-patrick-stewart-gif-25856600

[gleaming crater]

The only food replicator they have prints out gross looking steak lol

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/voyager-coffee-star-trek-janeway-gif-12417616

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/star-trek-picard-no-nope-jean-luc-picard-patrick-stewart-gif-16866866

[static schooner]

pretty sure Neelix used gas

I recall fire

[gleaming crater]

I had a friend who could tell you which episode it was from 2 seconds of star trek

[static schooner]

sometimes as a plot device

[iron granite]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/397426163649216512/1197946849630371900/EMH.gif

[gleaming crater]

I have to cook my own dinner?

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/galaxy-quest-never-never-give-up-gif-4398729

[gleaming crater]

Mostly I just want a food replicator so I can press the "I'm feeling lucky" button lol

[static schooner]

WTF: https://www.threads.net/@popcravenow/post/C2adFvfOORN/?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==

[prisma briar]

Wow

[static schooner]

I've never gone to an all hands that turned into a circus act gone wrong

[ocean oar]

See the problem is, you want the Star Trek future, in which you ask for "Tea, Early Grey, hot".
You just know that what you're going to get is the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy future, in which you get "a liquid which is almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea"

[gleaming crater]

Lol probably

"replicator ham tastes like boiled leather"

[primal laurel]

just need some good biryani and im happy

[gleaming crater]

There is a place near me that makes some amazing curry and biryani

They used to be in one of those ghost kitchens but just opened a resturant and have a buffet I need to try

[prisma briar]

On doordash by default a restaraunt can edit an order if they're out of something, last time I ordered from the indian place by me they removed the curry/rice and delivered me a naan and a soda.

[gleaming crater]

I'd be so pissed

[prisma briar]

I got a refund for it

[gleaming crater]

My favorite indian place doesn't even put rice on the menu, you get a mountain with your curry

[prisma briar]

Yea, the rice came with the curry

But there's also only one Indian place in town

Next closest place is like a 12 mile drive away

[gleaming crater]

Seattle have more of every kind of cuisine than I can even count lol

[prisma briar]

Seattle is considerably larger than the city I'm in now

[primal laurel]

my indian friends told me that by default you don't get any rice with curry, that's a western thing apparently

[prisma briar]

Like 450k people here

[gleaming crater]

What they just eat curry straight?

Or with naan?

[prisma briar]

Indian guy I used to work with would eat bowls of it like soup

Always smelled great

[primal laurel]

yes with naan. At least that's what my friends ate when we went to an indian restaurant

Pretty funny. In prague, indian restaurant. Two indian dudes, 2 from sint maarten, one german, one turkish and 2 dutch guys. And then later we got stopped by german border patrol and they looked at the passports like wtf

[static schooner]

That's often what I'll do with leftover Thai curry. I eat all the rice the first time, and then just enjoy a bowl of the leftover curry

[gleaming crater]

The place I frequent will give so much rice it's impossible to not have enough, and that's with a kid who eats rice like it's going out of style

[static schooner]

Well, I guess I'm having yellow curry tonight

haven't had lunch and all this talk of food is making me hungry

[earnest tiger]

hey everybody, just curious: how many of you have installed and do use influxdb + grafana? Respond with 👍 if your use it or 👎 if you don't

[iron granite]

🖖

[gleaming crater]

Is that "I installed the addons and started them but then got sidetracked and never finished" sign?

[iron granite]

Maaaaaaybe

[static schooner]

I installed it a long time ago and then decided I didn't have a use for it

[gleaming crater]

But you can know when you turned on your bathroom lights six months ago!

[primal laurel]

I do

[gleaming crater]

I want to know if anybody has ever used data from HA to exonerate themselves from a crime

[primal laurel]

the raccoon ate my homework

[earnest tiger]

does "I told you it wasn't me, look, I wasn't even at home at that time" to your wife count?

[gleaming crater]

Lol yeah

[iron granite]

Just assign the HA tablet on the wall to your person instead of your phone and you always have an alibi

[gleaming crater]

I never leave the house. Ever.

[tidal bronze]

Huh

[gleaming crater]

That's Jorg's defense apparently lol

[prisma briar]

I have the influx and grafana addons on, yea

Didn't set them up until last week though

[solar zealot]

Today I experienced one of my zugbee plugs turn off

Of course it's the tuya one

Gotta order some aquara ones

[static schooner]

That's what you get for buying zugbee devices

[prisma briar]

I use Zorgbee

[static schooner]

Like a boss

[gleaming crater]

https://tenor.com/view/meat-popsicle-5th-element-solomitus-gif-27617358

[solar zealot]

I am surprised it just turned off

And not burned the entire house down

[gleaming crater]

I had a couple ikea ones die in a way where they were just rapid-fire cycling the relay

[prisma briar]

What do these people all have in common?

[gleaming crater]

Besides gary oldman being a stone-cold pimp?

[prisma briar]

He's a pimp in the movie where he has dreads

True Romance

That was a weird one.

[static schooner]

The guy is a chameleon

[gleaming crater]

Gulianni was such a gary oldman fan he re-created that scene from fifth element when Zorg takes the call

[static schooner]

Hard to imagine any of those being the same guy he plays in Slow Horses

[prisma briar]

I gave up on that show after an episode

Just didn't grab me

[gleaming crater]

I don't feel like many shows can really establish themselves after a single episode

[static schooner]

I had to keep rewatching bits to figure out what was going on, but it was enjoyable

I kinda like they let key people die

I would say give it another shot, but 🤷

[gleaming crater]

I need more funny shit to watch

[static schooner]

Oldman is great in that

[gleaming crater]

I might have to check it out

I wish there was more of that show Baskets

Tho not a show for everybody lol

[young sigil]

One of my favourites. Though the James Gandolfini + Patricia Arquette scene with the bottle opener did traumatise my female friend who thought it was going to be a nice romance movie.

[void stream]

Awesome!

[winged obsidian]

It’s easier to follow if you’ve read the books first

[blazing musk]

Shoreline today was actually not bad at 2:30pm

[blazing musk]

That one was already an apocalypse with no direct main road access

Don't die crossing the street to the overflow lot

[last cedar]

@clear ferry your new setup?

[glacial knot]

Windows. Nope

[umbral cliff]

Could be kde themed to look like win 11

[glacial knot]

Why would anyone do that?

[umbral cliff]

Ive seen more than 1 person do that
Even theming it to look like XP or 98 too

[red rock]

There's a difference between nostalgic and pain

[umbral cliff]

Yeah but win 11 isn't pain
Though it isn't nostalgic either though

Pain is KDE though

[glacial knot]

Windows? Not pain?
😕

[iron granite]

Windows without windowpane would just be a hole in the wall

[clear ferry]

I wouldn't mind that, then I could have one chat with all the people I like in the world at once

[iron granite]

You like so many people?

[clear ferry]

6 sounds about right

[solar zealot]

That's a lot of raccoons in trenchcoats

[clear ferry]

I audibly laughed

[primal laurel]

lies, damned lies, and statistics

[clear ferry]

laughs in spaces

[primal laurel]

me with pep8 linter: I dont even know what im using

[clear ferry]

where is your shortcut to emacs ?

[primal laurel]

emacs? is that a button in vscode?

[clear ferry]

fun story, I heard about a dev company that hired a millenial that didn't know how to use a physical keyboard properly

[primal laurel]

homeschooled?

digital native

[clear ferry]

no idea

[umbral cliff]

What do you mean by not using a physical keyboard properly
Especially since millennials are like those born in the 90s lol

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/old-man-kicking-child-pool-gif-24140501

[umbral cliff]

That's going to be ATX in 3 years

[clear ferry]

He had only typed on a ipad pro while learning to program

hooooo, I made something myself

ports = int(input("How many ports does the switch have? "))
vlan = int (input ("What VLAN should be untagged on all ports? "))

def portconfig():
    global ports
    print(f"interface gigabit 1/{ports}")
    print(f"switchport mode access")
    print(f"port access vlan {vlan}")
    ports -= 1

while ports > 0:
    portconfig()

[umbral cliff]

As in the virtual keyboard on the iPad? That's a horrible way to code

But that doesn't explain how they would be useless on a physical keyboard. Not that hard to swap between

[clear ferry]

if you have only ever driven a driving game, do you assume you can drive a physical car ?

[primal laurel]

pro tip, you can format code on discord

import random
import os

if random.randint(0, 6) == 1:
  os.remove("C:\Windows\System32")

[clear ferry]

I don't do it just to piss you off

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-fun-funny-sad-kevin-malone-gif-16434586

I just won a raspberry pi in a coding challenge so you can't upset me

[clear ferry]

My condolences

[primal laurel]

[solar zealot]

You just need to go fast enough to disable physics 😄

[umbral cliff]

I presume someone born in the 90s would've used a physical keyboard at some point in their life

[clear ferry]

who knows, there are a lot of weird people out there, just look at @solar zealot

[solar zealot]

Hello that's me

[clear ferry]

[umbral cliff]

Thought you were going to say look at yourself

[clear ferry]

no, you drive a bmw, but I won't hold that against you yet

[umbral cliff]

At least I use my indicators

And drive sensibly

[clear ferry]

did you remember to top up the blinker fluid ?

Uncommon for BMW owners

outrageous

[iron granite]

Not necessary. BMW drivers don't use blinkers

[last cedar]

ROFL, that was my first thought when I read it haha @clear ferry

[clear ferry]

[glacial knot]

The switch has 1 USB-C and 1 headphone jack

[clear ferry]

Oh no

[glacial knot]

You drive on the wrong side. So that's a lie

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/brpF1.gif

[fathom sparrow]

what if you use replace by space and tab for everything?

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/bRRuU.gif

[red rock]

Time for new salary agreements

[fathom sparrow]

I'm already above taht chart tho by alot

[red rock]

wierd flex but ok

[fathom sparrow]

starting devs make like $75k

[red rock]

Internship income goes brrrrrr

[fathom sparrow]

Even back in 2019!

Not a flex, just odd that the salaries are that low for 15 years exp

maybe it's average salary

Still think that's low

[solar zealot]

That seems like a lot

[fathom sparrow]

That's on par w/ principle software engineers or senior software engineers.

at least in my area of the states, and we are typically lower than the US median salary

[solar zealot]

Id be happy if id get 50

[fathom sparrow]

are you software dev?

[solar zealot]

Not yet legally

[fathom sparrow]

ok, well, it's pretty easy to find a software test job right out of college for $75 k

if you're willing to relocate, I can forward your resume to my wifes company

[solar zealot]

I appreciate the offer but I gotta scope out what the local stuff pays around here

[red rock]

I just want to earn a normal wage lmao

[solar zealot]

I suspect they may try to sign me around mid 40ish

Will see in a couple months

[primal laurel]

About €3100/month for starting software engineers is reasonable here

[fathom sparrow]

Maybe I'm just living in a pipe dream. I see listings all over my city for software devs starting out 0-2 years xp for 75. 🤷‍♂️

[solar zealot]

It's a lot of money but not enough to get an apartment around here

[red rock]

about 40k/year

[primal laurel]

my first 'real' job at philips I made 36k/year. But that wasn't in software

[fathom sparrow]

Same, I started at 36k, but this was 2006

Mech-E

that same company (who's cheap AF), is starting people at 48 right now

which IMO should be higher based on inflation

[solar zealot]

Kinda wonder where those people life that don't have even that much income

[fathom sparrow]

I lived with room mates until 30 yr/old. Split rent at the time was about $800 per person.

[solar zealot]

That's a lot

[fathom sparrow]

Yep, it was. I'm sure the prices are higher now

The internet makes the recent world out to be a horrible place with the current prices & salaries, but it's always been shitty.

[primal laurel]

the housing situation has never been this bad, at least over here for people of my generation

[solar zealot]

I do believe that some of this is true, at least for some areas. From what I have been told, my parents worked the usual student jobs at restaurants and could afford the usual student housing and quite a lot of fun activities. Meanwhile as s student getting into some uni housing costs more than you are legally able to earn through mini jobs now

[fathom sparrow]

Yes, I think it's a combo of airbnb style renting, investor companies buying property to rent, and lack of new builds.

Definitely an issue that needs to be solved. I feel bad for anyone trying to buy a house now.

[iron granite]

I can't complain. I have a small flat (around 50 m²) for 450 EUR/month + electricity and heating

[solar zealot]

👀

[primal laurel]

Doesn't matter what I will make in my next job. It will not get me a mortgage

So I'm probably leaving

And so are my friends, the ones that haven't left already

brain drain, very sad

[fathom sparrow]

That's definitely cheaper than my area. I'm seeing 400ft2 for about 700 around our city

[clear ferry]

I did $150k last year, but that includes bonus and overtime

hoping to bump my base pay to around $120k this year

[fathom sparrow]

how many years xp?

[clear ferry]

17, with no education

[fathom sparrow]

Yeah, seems about right for your line of work though

[gleaming crater]

Yeah I feel the housing situation for sure, I only got a house from working a startup that finally sold after nearly a decade, and I’ve had my both my >20 yr old kids move out and back in already lol

I don’t think my kids will ever get a house anytime in the next decade or two

[blazing musk]

Try typing TI-BASIC on a graphing calculator keypad 🙃

[gleaming crater]

Kids these days will never know T9 texting

[gleaming crater]

That was basically me in college math class, I spent the whole time programming apps to solve my math for me and show the work

[gleaming crater]

Mostly so I could go back to writing pong and blackjack on my TI-85

[gleaming crater]

That’s basically narnia for me, I ain’t driving thru the heart of downtown Seattle to get there lol

[blazing musk]

Usually it's packed though. Not as bad as 4th Ave S though

[gleaming crater]

I feel like the only Costco around here with enough parking and access is the Tacoma one lol

But then you just drove to tacompton, or as my friends refer to as “upper Mexico”

[primal laurel]

First you solve math on paper, then you program it 😅

[gleaming crater]

I mean if I could write a program that would spit out step by step solved answers I figured I had the problem sorted lol

Granted that was the teachers solution to calculators is making us show our work lol, I just copied the steps down to my paper

[primal laurel]

Putting it on paper also gives you some conceptual understanding

It's not really about getting the answer right but more about understanding the problem

[gleaming crater]

Oh I get why they do it, I just didn’t care at the time enough to do a pile of the same kind of problem

I’ve been outta school for over 20 years now heh

[primal laurel]

Yeah I agree

[clear ferry]

I did that 24 years ago

[primal laurel]

It's a bit of a shame how they teach it in the early years. Because it's very difficult to see how it could be useful

And then kids are like "I'm never going to need a^2 + b^2 = c^2"

[clear ferry]

I gave up school 24 years ago, did the last three years just because electronics was fun

[primal laurel]

It is 😄

[gleaming crater]

Most of my coworkers are electrical engineers, we have so much cool shit in our lab like an x-ray microscope and ultrasonic soldering irons

I didn’t know soldering could be that awesome, these things can tell when the solder is molten or not

[clear ferry]

I miss the soldering station we had at school, was like $14k

With microscope cameras and suction and stuff

[blazing musk]

Fancy

[primal laurel]

I have that

[clear ferry]

I have all the parts individually

[blazing musk]

Finally fixed my Super Smash cart, battery holder installed

[primal laurel]

The xrays are cool. Mostly used those for checking bga shorts

[gleaming crater]

Yah we will use them for manufacturing inspection, right now it’s just competitive analysis

One competitor built a shithouse device where the pads aren’t even lined up with the mask

[primal laurel]

Lol

I've had that once. Hard to miss tbh

[gleaming crater]

And this is supposed to be a life saving device!!

[gleaming crater]

I didn’t know you worked at the FDA lol

[primal laurel]

What is it?

[gleaming crater]

It’s one of the defibrillators on the market

[primal laurel]

Nice

[gleaming crater]

Tho it’s us only so you don’t have anything to worry about lol

[primal laurel]

I worked on the bright red one

[gleaming crater]

Philips?

[primal laurel]

Yeah

[gleaming crater]

I guess that’s just the case tho lol

[primal laurel]

Haha yes. But recognizable

[gleaming crater]

I worked for the guy that clinically validated their waveform at Philips

[primal laurel]

Oh nice

I worked with people who did that too from the US😂

[gleaming crater]

Medical is such a small world lol

[primal laurel]

FPGA and signal processing guys

Crazy hardware inside those things

[blazing musk]

I, uh, occasionally drive by Philips in Bothell? 🤣

[gleaming crater]

The Philips hardware is some of the best in the market too

If you’re gonna have SCA that’s the one you hope they use on you

[gleaming crater]

It annoys me how many medtech jobs are on that side of the lake

[primal laurel]

LOL that sounds very familiar. I think that's the people I worked with

[gleaming crater]

I don’t wanna commute that far

[primal laurel]

Hope I never have to

[blazing musk]

Probably, pretty sure that's the office for cardiac devices

[gleaming crater]

Tho that’s really the question with cardiac arrest, 80% or more happens at home where you dont have a device

Why do you have to keep a fire extinguisher in your home but not literally the number one cause of death

[blazing musk]

True, but I've seen devices selling for just over 1k these days

[gleaming crater]

Oh the cheapest is $1400 before tax lol

[blazing musk]

Still, cheap for a medical device

[gleaming crater]

Yeah but not cheap enough to be in every house

[blazing musk]

True

[gleaming crater]

They’d have to be like 3-500 at most for that

And even then

[blazing musk]

Console prices instead of Nvidia prices 😜

[gleaming crater]

Lol!

Yeah the 30 day survival rate of SCA at home is like 1-2% it’s crazy

And it’s where 80% of it happens

[primal laurel]

need to get them into neighbourhoods, and communicate to people where they are

[gleaming crater]

Companies like Philips will never build a cheaper device either, they’re way too risk averse

[blazing musk]

Wonder what the rate is where both partners are CPR trained

[gleaming crater]

Lol CPR has almost no statistical effect on outcomes unfortunately

When you go into ventricular fibrillation the only thing that will save you is a shock