the-water-cooler

[clear ferry]

great in my lab to just dynamically spin up stuff on their own raw device, then destroy it afterwards

good perf too

6 vms deploy in 1m30s

[glacial knot]

🤔 how do you pass them in?

[blazing musk]

1

[gleaming crater]

Are you in my shell

[gleaming crater]

Should send a copy of that book to Fujitsu lol https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/01/fujitsu-apologizes-for-software-bugs-that-fueled-wrongful-convictions-in-uk/

[dawn moth]

I have no context, but I'm just imagining people sending Fujitsu books by the dozen to their mailing address 🤣

[gleaming crater]

Lol the real answer should be corp death penalty

If they have corp personhood they should have the death penalty for bad corps

[dawn moth]

You would think their would be more then an apology, perhaps compensation to those effected (haven't heard of the situation or read the article, least what I can gather from the title)

[clear ferry]

Format and Mount to /mnt and use as vm store in kvm, or format and Mount to /mnt and use in containers

Currently using two of my ssds like that, one for dockervar and one for kubelab

Gonna move more stuff over now that i understand terraform better

[prisma briar]

You can also configure qemu to use a physical partition like /dev/sdX# as a raw drive for a guest

Never tried with terraform but libvirt and proxmox make that pretty easy by editing config files

[glacial knot]

physical partition 🤔

[prisma briar]

Or a full drive usch as /dev/sdX

[glacial knot]

I think it just opens that via vfs and treats it like a file though

[prisma briar]

Yea. If you actually want to pass a drive through to be fully managed by the guest you need to pass the controller through with pcie passthrough.

I've done that with sata and nvme controllers before

virtio's performance is really good though so that's not really necessary.

[clear ferry]

Yeah, I've done that, but I prefer filesystems as I can then schedule file level backups easily

[prisma briar]

Yea, you also lose snapshotting/image management using a physical drive like that

[glacial knot]

we had to pass through the pci device of a usb controller before
because of a device being incredibly stupid

just format the disk qcow2^^

[prisma briar]

USB controller passthrough is far more reliable than USB device passthrough, especially for time-sensitive tasks

[glacial knot]

in that case it was a device that needed a modeswitch and reset the USB for that

[clear ferry]

I wish usb over tcp/IP was more common

[prisma briar]

Things like audio generally don't work well when passed as individual USB devices, but if you pass the full controller they'll generally be fine

usbip is a thing

It sucks, but it's there

[clear ferry]

It is

[glacial knot]

so it comes up
driver grabs it, it disconnects (virtually) and comes up as different deivce 🤦

[clear ferry]

But I want it more common and usable

There are quite a few good proprietary solutions, seen a lot of customers use them for licence usbs

[prisma briar]

That standalone steam link device Valve made used one of those proprietary solutions

VirtualHere

[ocean oar]

Indeed, for this purpose we have the dongleserver Pro: https://www.seh-technology.com/uk/products/usb-dongle-servers/dongleserver-pro.html

I also have one of these small ones, which I use with a PoE splitter and USB-serial adapter because sometimes I'm too lazy to be attached to the device I'm configuring 😄
https://www.digi.com/products/models/aw02-g300

Real missed opportunity not having PoE natively, if you ask me

[prisma briar]

I have a couple adapters that send USB signaling over cat5, I've got a couple hundred feet off of them before

Just USB 2 though

[ocean oar]

Yeah I have a pair of real cheap shitters lying around somewhere

[gleaming crater]

Hahaha

[ocean oar]

The USB-over-IP version is pretty cool though, because I can connect to it over the VPN from my laptop

[edgy fulcrum]

<@&330946878646517761> Who can help me change my nickname to have it the same as in the forums?

[keen bridge]

You have to change your Discord nickname

[edgy fulcrum]

It says I don't have permissions to do so on this server

[keen bridge]

Yes, which is why I said your Discord nickname, not your nickname for this Discord server 😉

[edgy fulcrum]

ahhh, hm, oh 🙂

I kind of don't want to change it in general though

[clever mortar]

Or if you ask really nicely we can do it

[edgy fulcrum]

pretty please 🎀

[clever mortar]

You do have to tell us what you want 😉

Or you'll be the Unknown

[iron granite]

And pay the raccoons tax!

[gleaming crater]

I think you also have to plead fealty to Tinkerer to never @ him lol

[edgy fulcrum]

https://tenor.com/view/hot-raccoon-funny-gif-27709934

[gleaming crater]

Lol

[edgy fulcrum]

story of my life 😂
please change it to 'patmi'

[iron granite]

Too late

[gleaming crater]

https://tenor.com/view/not-sure-idiocracy-luke-wilson-idk-i-dont-know-gif-25385154

[edgy fulcrum]

😄

thank you!

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-yeah-smile-grin-happy-excited-gif-20256037

[red rock]

Pet me?

[static schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/love-me-pet-me-seeking-attention-needy-need-attention-gif-13568041

[red rock]

Cute

[static schooner]

is it weirder that she has a raccoon in bed with her or that the raccoon guides her hand to get what it wants?

[iron granite]

Wrong channel?

[red rock]

No that's how I read this

[iron granite]

[red rock]

Yes

[edgy fulcrum]

🐱

[blazing musk]

lol I bought a second Vue and there are fingerprints on the ESP32 shield

@prisma briar

[prisma briar]

lol

[gleaming crater]

Are they child sized

[tidal bronze]

Sure it's not racoon prints?

[prisma briar]

I didn't notice any prints on mine but I didn't look that closely

[blazing musk]

These ones are obvious lol

[tidal bronze]

Getting ready give some esphome love I see.

[blazing musk]

yep. I NEED to know where the rest of the power is going

[tidal bronze]

lol

[blazing musk]

almost half is unaccounted for, it's like a DoD black project

"no idea where the money's going"

[tidal bronze]

Mine's dead on with LADWP

[gleaming crater]

You’ll be like that guy with his lg dryer uploading gigs a day, but it’ll be some Chinese brick burning a small city worth of power

[blazing musk]

I'm sure my total matches PSE but it's the individual circuits that don't add up even close

[blazing musk]

bitcoin mining malware somewhere

[gleaming crater]

Maybe you’re just paying for the neighbors too lol

[tidal bronze]

Although my average draw is high things I don't know about and I don't want to know.

[blazing musk]

lol, that'd be funny honestly. Of course they'd have to be plugged into a socket that isn't tracked, since I have interior access on the service for the first vue

need to go start the 3d printed bondage strips for it too

[tidal bronze]

Bondage strips... lol

[blazing musk]

my solution to keep the plugs from popping out

[tidal bronze]

I only want to know what my 4 HVACS are doing and pool stuff. Rest, it is what it is.

[blazing musk]

I'm saving a couple kWh/day by eliminating the second hot water tank after I installed the first Vue.

[tidal bronze]

I actually got the vue to cross-check Tesla CT's. Tesla energy reporting is simply a joke. Glad I got the vue. I at least know my real solar numbers.

[blazing musk]

default emporia app sucks too

that's what drove me to investigate ESPHome

[prisma briar]

I never tried it/nor can I anymore

Didn't bother backing up the stock firmware, lol

[blazing musk]

yeah I probably won't this time

[tidal bronze]

I export to CSV and cross check with LADWP about 10 to 15 off. Good enough for me.

[prisma briar]

I'm going to compare to my utilities as soon as I have a full month of reporting

Which will be February

[tidal bronze]

Tried to grab the meter readings with RTL to let HA calculate the difference but meter packets are encoded. Oh well.

[blazing musk]

yeah I think our smart meter runs ZigBee 900MHz

[prisma briar]

I was considering setting up that one esp32 project that uses a camera + OCR to read the numbers on the meter for my water and gas

[tidal bronze]

lol

[prisma briar]

Water would be easy but gas is outside so idk

[blazing musk]

yeah I want to track mine but I'm intending to try with some ultrasonic sensors

[tidal bronze]

Water will always be with Flume.

[blazing musk]

Yeah, flume would probably be my choice if I wasn't diy-driven. Also yet another cloud app

[prisma briar]

Still cloud free here

[blazing musk]

I need to mess with tone generation on these sensors and see if I can get time-of-flight.

[tidal bronze]

Slow leak detection with AI is spot on. Saved me a few times. Cloud ain't always bad

[gleaming crater]

I heard those flume sensors kept dying tho

[tidal bronze]

I had it for years. They rock.

I run 2 of them.

So glad I can detect when gardeners bust a sprinkler head and don't say anything. That calculation is actually via HA. Works like a charm.

[gleaming crater]

I have those oto smart sprinklers, it was a lot cheaper than an in-ground system

[prisma briar]

I removed everything living from my yard because maintaining a yard in a frigid desert is dumb

[gleaming crater]

My lawn honestly grew too quick with the watering/fertilizing schedule last year haha

[tidal bronze]

Mine's all in-ground but upgraded to water-smart

[gleaming crater]

I need to dial it back so I don't need to mow every 4 days

[gleaming crater]

zeroscaping a rock garden?

[prisma briar]

rocks and mulch divided by edging

My yard isn't very big

It's also in the shade almost all the time and was just a dirt pit when I moved in

I considered running grow lights to my back yard just so I could have some grass

[tidal bronze]

lol

[gleaming crater]

My place averages 40 inches of rain a year

[prisma briar]

But not worth it

[gleaming crater]

You could do low-light ground cover

[prisma briar]

Average here is 15.91" according to NWS

[gleaming crater]

Like thyme or other stuff

[tidal bronze]

My watering kills me. lol

[gleaming crater]

Yeah water is too expensive, another reason I need to throttle back

[tidal bronze]

Summer about 35 to 45k gal a month

[gleaming crater]

I get charged for sewer for all my water usage it can get spendy

I really want to install a cistern drainpipe setup

[tidal bronze]

Not really.

[gleaming crater]

For a slow drip water

My water bill was > 500 every 2 months last summer

water/sewer

[prisma briar]

Lol, my water portion of my utility bill is like $60/mo

[tidal bronze]

They have average for your lot size not all your water usage gets charged for sewer. You can add a 2nd meter.

[prisma briar]

I get water/sewer/electricity/gas from the same place, electricity is always the vast majority of my bill

[gleaming crater]

I'll have to see if my city will let me buy water without sewer lol

[prisma briar]

They just open the main sewer cleanout and put a big cork in it

At least I imagine

[tidal bronze]

Of course you can.

[gleaming crater]

Oh yeah part of that bill is garbage too, also overpriced here

[tidal bronze]

That's why I have 2 meters. Home use gets dedcuted from main meter

Balance is considered irrigation and no sewer charges

[gleaming crater]

Hmm yeah they charged me 13 CCF water usage and 12.75 CCF sewer

[tidal bronze]

lol

That does not sound right

[gleaming crater]

And sewer is over 3x the price of water lol

[tidal bronze]

Treated output?

[gleaming crater]

IDK I'm in Seattle city limits, they're kinda nuts compared to everywhere else

[blazing musk]

Same deal here but aren't you in the Seattle area too @gleaming crater

lol

beat me

It's similar in Northshore utility district

[tidal bronze]

Oh like LA then. All sewer discharge gets treated so pretty penny

[gleaming crater]

Yeah prob the case here

I'd love to have an irrigation meter tho

[blazing musk]

I should look into a second meter, I'd love to know the difference.

[tidal bronze]

Home use is about 7 to 10%

[blazing musk]

yeah well you're in SoCal

we just water our garden during the summer so stuff doesn't die

[tidal bronze]

Pool refill is also an issue in the summer.

[blazing musk]

I don't bother with pools. We have a membership to a local one that was gifted by my mom and I don't have to worry about maintenance on my own.

It's like 5 minutes walk away too

But I get that it's more popular in SoCal

[tidal bronze]

Pool for dogs mostly and spa for the 2 of us.

[blazing musk]

spoiled dogs

[gleaming crater]

Yeah in washington it's all hot tubs here

Pools do exist but small window of use

Kinda like motorcycles lol

[tidal bronze]

lol

[blazing musk]

lol our neighbor had one at the end of their driveway and they literally finally put up a fence this week after like 2 years of just hanging up a visqueen screen

[gleaming crater]

A hot tub in the driveway??

Sounds classy AF

[blazing musk]

basically.

[tidal bronze]

One of my dogs, in the pool at 8AM so get's used. Human use not so much.

[blazing musk]

At least the cedar fencing looks decent now

ah yes I love rebuilding after I deleted all of the artifacts

9645/9653

almost there...

[gleaming crater]

Yeah I don't think I can get irrigation service here, they say "only one domestic water service is allowed per parcel" lol

Basically it has to be a commerical setup to get the exemption

[tidal bronze]

Hmmm.... you add a meter not for irrigation but for home split. They should be able to bill sewer charges only for home use meter.

[gleaming crater]

Given my meter is out at the street that probably wouldn't be cheap lol

[static schooner]

I asked about that here in SD and they said it wasn't really a thing

[tidal bronze]

You don't have to touch the street meter.

As long as you have a split between irrigation and home supply

Add the second meter just before it enters the house distribution

Most irrigation should be separate and before the pressure reg.

[gleaming crater]

I got about 1 foot of pipe in my garage before the shutoff and PRV

[tidal bronze]

So your irrigation split is before that?

[blazing musk]

doesn't really exist here

[gleaming crater]

Just thinking based on where you said it would need to exist

And yeah they won’t come into your house to check a meter

[blazing musk]

Most irrigation setups I know of in WA are from actual agricultural irrigation ditches in eastern WA

[tidal bronze]

If you don't have irrigation splits after your reg, you can add the house meter just before the pressure reg. All depends on how it was done originally.

I have seen some properties where they have some zones after the pressure reg. Stupid but it's there.

[gleaming crater]

I’m sure Seattle would tell me they ain’t got time for 2 meters at one plot

That aren’t at street level

[tidal bronze]

You do it yourself. Just get the permitting done and checked. City won't do it for you.

In LA it takes about 2 billing cycles for the 2nd meter to kick in

[gleaming crater]

Do they have to come into your house to read the meter?

[tidal bronze]

Nopes. They are RF as well.

avergage cost here 400 to 800 depending on pipe work. Wirth every penny if you have a front/back/pool

[blazing musk]

https://www.seattle.gov/utilities/construction-resources/water/irrigation-only-services

https://www.seattle.gov/utilities/construction-resources/sewer-and-drainage/sewer-submeter-program

There is no provision in the SMC for residential submeters. Residential properties are billed sewer under the sewer max program in order to compensate for irrigation.

[ocean oar]

"sewer max" sounds like the a really shitty (pun intended) upgrade over normal sewers

[gleaming crater]

Lol kind of like hbo max

[gleaming crater]

That wording could read they have to structure it differently for residential, or they just don’t support it at all lol

[potent geyser]

does anyone have a comprehensive how to guide to get started on 3d printing a case and mounting everything to stay in place, when coming from breadboard, esp32 c6/s3 with dupont wired sensors ?

[gleaming crater]

I’d ask the folks in #diy-archived to start, or maybe in the 3d printers discord https://discord.gg/3dprinters

[potent geyser]

thank you

[gleaming crater]

I’m sure you can find lots of existing designs on thingiverse and printable too

And the easiest beginner app is tinkercad.com for modifying something

[potent geyser]

nothing that's complete with what I'm looking for: co2 sensor, mmwave, and pir. But also with the guidance outlining how to mount everything cleanly and stably

[gleaming crater]

Lol I’ve seen a lot of hot glue in this arena

[blazing musk]

Brain surgery shall commence

[blazing musk]

want hot glue, check out speaker kits

https://tenor.com/view/harold-pain-glitch-deform-content-aware-gif-16083345316327440629

I've used so much to stop my 2 speakers from rattling

I'll just say that the Parts Express "Passive Aggressive" are not the best beginner kits

[umbral cliff]

What are you doing

[gleaming crater]

I need to do that to one speaker in my car lol

[blazing musk]

installing esphome on a (second) emporia vue to cover the circuits my first one doesn't

this was the first one about 10 months ago

[umbral cliff]

What's an emporia vue

[blazing musk]

it's a CT clamp energy meter with room for 16 circuits and total service power

you install it in your panel

it comes by default with cloud-addled not great firmware that you have to access through their app but it's a pretty simple job to flash it with ESPHome

https://github.com/emporia-vue-local/esphome

et voila!

[clear ferry]

that's pretty good compression

did all lines say All work an no play makes Jack a dull boy over and over ?

[blazing musk]

Lol I think it's run length encoding for a zero filled segment

[prisma briar]

I've started flashing my esphome things with https://esphome.github.io/esp-web-tools/ then using ota to flash a final image on it.

[dusky plank]

how high is your chip?

[red rock]

depends on how much images of weed I let it process

[iron granite]

That chip has the high ground

[primal laurel]

UK tourist visiting amsterdam

[solar zealot]

latest hardware
Bluetooth 4.1

Not just the CPU is higher

[clear ferry]

Pretty sure there is neither 2.4 or 5.0Ghz anywhere near that chip

[primal laurel]

looks very AI generated

[gleaming crater]

Man I’m bummed, my single most used kitchen appliance just died after 7 years

Tho thanks to inflation a new multicooker is an eye watering tree fiddy

[solar zealot]

multicooker
Does that mean it's reusable

[gleaming crater]

Lol it’s one of those ninja combo units that’s an instant pot/pressure cooker and air fryer

We use it a lot at my house

[clever mortar]

Those are awesome, we've got one and it's used all the time

[gleaming crater]

The new model has a combo lid, no more dial lids

Dual*

[clever mortar]

That's the one we got

The main oven only gets used for pizza now

[gleaming crater]

My old one was a workhorse for 7 years and the fam is already sad it died less than 24 hrs ago lol

[gleaming crater]

Yeah during the summer who wants to heat the whole house anyways

[solar zealot]

I can only imagine how many mwh and american oven uses

[gleaming crater]

They’re normally on a 240v circuit here

Tho new construction doing more for inductive tops

[solar zealot]

240v could be a reasonable 4kw or 15kw

[gleaming crater]

No idea lol I don’t have that detailed of power monitoring

And didn’t buy this oven it came with the house

[solar zealot]

It cannot be safely removed from the grid I see

[gleaming crater]

Wut

I should install a power monitor already lol

Right after I buy another ninja lol

[static schooner]

I made the mistake of using the self-cleaning cycle once, where it heats to the temp of the sun for like 4 hours

[gleaming crater]

Lol I’ve heard of ovens dying from using that too

[static schooner]

And once you start, you can't stop it

[solar zealot]

If cookies take half an hour at 200c then they will take 3 minutes on 2000c

[gleaming crater]

Sound logic lol

[solar zealot]

Maths™️

[gleaming crater]

Let me just get 9 women to crank out a baby in a month

[solar zealot]

hehe

[clever mortar]

That's the logic my gran used for cooking...

[gleaming crater]

Do you have the one with the probe?

[clever mortar]

Yes

[gleaming crater]

It’s prob worth it lol

[clever mortar]

We got the fully fancy one with all the toys, well worth it

[gleaming crater]

Thank [insert diety here] they didn’t add WiFi yet lol

[clever mortar]

I've used the probe every time we're cooking meat, and it always comes out awesome

[gleaming crater]

I don’t need a Chinese cloud to cook my meat

[clever mortar]

Hell, we used it to pressure cook a lump of beef that had been in the freezer for at least 5 years and that came out great

[solar zealot]

There is no reason to turn down the cookers just because it's boiling!

[clever mortar]

Ah... but she worked the other way too... 200C for 20 was the same as 100C for 40...

The number of times she served up half raw food...

[solar zealot]

Oh no

[clever mortar]

Thankfully once we clocked the problem it was solvable

Mostly by not letting her cook 😄

[gleaming crater]

Savage

https://tenor.com/view/dissaproval-dissapointed-dissaproval-grandma-grandma-no-gif-18487258

[clever mortar]

Discussions were had about how it doesn't work the way she thought, and while she didn't agree she did at least change ... for us anyway

God only knows what she did when we weren't there

Then again... she lived to 103

[gleaming crater]

That’s like my grandma one time got out all her salad dressing for a dinner…. It was up to a decade old for some bottles

[solar zealot]

In the past we had an oven with a broken dial. The hotter the oven got the more it turned up the heat

Had to tape the dial in place

[gleaming crater]

Safety 101

[solar zealot]

It's not a fuse it's alright
Surely

[gleaming crater]

That’s like the dude on hackaday who automated a system to put log splits into a wood stove…. Nothing can possibly go wrong

[solar zealot]

Isn't that just log rotation

[gleaming crater]

Hehe

Sigh time to fire almost $400 into the void to buy another appliance

[solar zealot]

It's well invested money!

[gleaming crater]

https://tenor.com/view/stonks-meme-gif-16107418

[gleaming crater]

When do I get to cash out this investment lol

Will I have to pay capital gains taxes haha

[solar zealot]

Maybe

[static schooner]

For every new appliance you buy, you should also identify cabinet space for it to live out its days

Especially if it doesn't get as much use as you think it will. I have stuff in the back of cabinets that I haven't seen in quite a long time

[gleaming crater]

I have a dedicated side table for my ninja foodi lol

And I'm a huge alton brown fan... death to unitaskers!

[gleaming crater]

I figure I used this thing an average of once a day for over 7 years lol

[static schooner]

Me...too 🙂

[gleaming crater]

I'm watching some one year later review on this new model and dude is like "we use it 3x a day for most our meals"

Really all we use the oven for is things that won't fit into it lol

[solar zealot]

If there is no space for new appliances old ones need to get sold

Replaced a kitchen mixer with an ice cream machine

Totally worth it

[static schooner]

See, that's where I go wrong with pretty much everything

[gleaming crater]

Ha the kitchenaid mixer is the only thing that doesn't have a perm spot in my kitchen

[static schooner]

Too much work

[solar zealot]

Now with inflation, used kitchen machines go for quite a lot used

So there is not a lot of value loss

[gleaming crater]

Thats extra true with cars

I've known multiple people that sold a used car for not a loss

[static schooner]

Cars cost you just to exist

[gleaming crater]

Jerks

[static schooner]

There's extra motivation to get rid of them

[solar zealot]

Like people who vape

[gleaming crater]

https://tenor.com/view/we-get-it-you-vape-vape-linus-tech-tips-ltt-riley-gif-25601916

[solar zealot]

This stuff needs to be more expensive than printer ink

[gleaming crater]

Lol I don't see nearly as much people vaping like it used to be

[blazing musk]

I want to get a Foodi but I haven't convinced my wife and I'd have to get rid of something for space

I'd get rid of the classic slow cooker but again, that was originally hers

[clever mortar]

Well, the right Foodi is also a slow cooker 😄

We've used that mode to make some awesome curry

[static schooner]

Sometimes the size or shape matters, depending on what you're trying to cook in it

[gleaming crater]

I have to get the bigger 8qt one for my family

But it’s a damn beast on the counter

That’s why it gets its own side table in the kitchen lol

[static schooner]

My instant pot is quite a bit smaller than my regular slow cooker

[gleaming crater]

You could replace both tho

With this thing

I have a friend who loves his ninja cooker so much he travels with it

[static schooner]

Doubles as a suitcase?

[gleaming crater]

Lol if you’re packing a roast

The biggest trouble I hear with trying to fit this ninja cooker is if you only have counter space with cabinets right above, opening the lid can get tricky

[clever mortar]

Yeah, the lid is a little unwieldy - we just put it in a spot where there wasn't anything above it

[gleaming crater]

There was a whole aftermarket industry for steam vent redirecting so people wouldn’t have to blast the underside of their cabinets lol

[clear ferry]

My grandma tried cooking an egg in the microwave when she got her first one in 1989, I've been traumatized since

[red rock]

is it still cooking at that point?

[gleaming crater]

People tried shoving everything into microwaves at the time lol

[clear ferry]

It did cook, for about 3 seconds

[gleaming crater]

Lol yeah you can only cook rubbery scrambled eggs in a microwave

[clear ferry]

She did not remove the shell

[gleaming crater]

Loooool so an egg bomb

[clear ferry]

Yes

Istr it was 4 eggs in there too

And I was watching

Closely

[red rock]

Lovely

[gleaming crater]

Ahaha did they all go at once

[red rock]

Eggcelent

[clear ferry]

Roughly

https://tenor.com/view/friendzone-egg-eggs-microwave-breakfast-gif-5612876

[gleaming crater]

“Kaboom” “egg complete”

For the record I’m blaming you Tinkerer for me getting the most deluxe model ninja instead of going for a cheaper older model

[solar zealot]

This also works with cold butter

Don't ask me how I know

[gleaming crater]

Anything with water trapped

[solar zealot]

It works wayyy too good

[red rock]

I mean, I imagine you now going like "Hurr durr @clever mortar, I now put in a $5 piece of steak from <insert dollar mart here>, and it doesn't taste as amazing as you told me"

and then he responds with the usual

don't tag me sticker

and leaves

[gleaming crater]

I had the prior model for 7 years lol I know what I'm getting into

I could get basically the same one I had for cheaper but they've done a bunch of improvements since

I don't even @ tinkerer I know better lol

The single lid instead of 2, the probe thermometer, the auto-release settings for pressure cooking.... for something I use all the time it's probably worth it heh

[clever mortar]

Yeah, it's become the most used kitchen gadget in our house, well, after the kettle

Even the wife went from not using that thing to a fan of it

[gleaming crater]

It was basically an instant hit with my wife lol

Like I can't imagine making carnitas without it, being able to sear, pressure cook and crisp in one pot was a gamechanger

I just hope they didn't go and resize the pot dimensions on me, I have a ton of accessories for my current one.... speaking of which it's time to make jerky again

[gleaming crater]

Is that a dirty shower curtain for a windshield?

[red rock]

Where is this? Scheveningen?

[blazing musk]

Is that some sort of program mode or do you just rotate settings manually?

[gleaming crater]

It's different modes but it's still a one-pot recipe

I like to sear the meat before pressure cooking to get a bit of that extra flavortown

Then you gotta drain a bit of liquid after so you can broil a crisp on

[blazing musk]

Yeah I figured you had to drain at some point

[gleaming crater]

And take out the citrus lol

[blazing musk]

I've done carnitas in the slow cooker before

I cheat and use juice usually

[gleaming crater]

Depends on what I have, citrus halves is pretty bomb.com

[blazing musk]

Yeah I'm assuming better flavor having the peel in there

[primal laurel]

somewhere with more sun than here

[gleaming crater]

Looks middle east-ish

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/Qgnm.gif

[gleaming crater]

This tribble is a desk hog

Would you belive this dog is only 8lbs lol

[prisma briar]

20lbs wet

[gleaming crater]

Ahahahaha

I don't think we've ever actually gotten his skin wet, the fur is genuinely too thick

You kinda just wash the dirty outer layers haha

[prisma briar]

My dog has really short hair that's easy to get shampoo through

She hates baths though

Just sits in the corner cowering the whole time

[gleaming crater]

My dogs just kinda tolerate it, but they're also small enough to bathe in the utlility sink lol

Then they zoom around like you just gave em crack

[prisma briar]

My shower has sliding glass doors on it so I bring my dog in there then trap her

[blazing musk]

We had a Yorkie who would stick his face on the floor and scoot after baths. He'd do it so much that our cat would start imitating him.

[gleaming crater]

Oh yeah that's hilarious when they scoot along on one side like a worm across the floor

It helps if you dry out their ears right away

[prisma briar]

I use a sprayer on a hose for my dog, makes it easy to avoid their faces and ears that really annoy them

If she has something on her head I'll wash it off with a wet towel

[gleaming crater]

Yeah my dogs will get ear infections if we don't dry out the ears right away... aka "frito ear"

If your dogs ears ever smell like corn chips take em to the vet lol

[ocean oar]

My cat is nearly 2× your dog

[prisma briar]

I just closed all my Firefox tabs and my power usage dropped by 30w

[gleaming crater]

So is my cat haha

[gleaming crater]

My dogs still bully the cat

[prisma briar]

Huh, Leaving Fusion 360 open was burning like 100w.

[gleaming crater]

That's like over a hundred dollars a year at what I pay for power

[prisma briar]

Same here

[gleaming crater]

That would be an awesome app, something that shows your power bill costs per app

Opens chrome and the meter starts spinning

[prisma briar]

I've got my PC, a stereo, my laptop, two switches (one is PoE), two PoE cameras, and a PoE AP sitting in about 250w now.

And my two servers, two modems, and a switch that are my 'homelab' are pulling about 200w

I was at like 800w for the same functionality before I replaced my servers and started setting unused computers to sleep

[gleaming crater]

For some equipment the power costs alone would justify buying newer hardware

[primal laurel]

* buys intel *

[gleaming crater]

I mean what you can get out of a low power system is pretty impressive these days

[primal laurel]

software has gotten impressively bad

hardware has improved a lot

[ocean oar]

Even just components. Was talking to someone about HBAs, if you look at the Broadcom 8e ones, taking the "typical" power figures, the 9300 uses 14.5W, the 9400 9.5W and the 9500 6.5W.
Not worth the cost of the upgrade unless you find a fell-off-the-back-of-a-truck special on the newer card, but 8W is 70kWh / year running 24/7.

[gleaming crater]

That's like 8 dollars a year!

[ocean oar]

NICs are similar. You can track the reduced size of the heatsinks over the years to see how the power consumption is going

[gleaming crater]

lol

[primal laurel]

you can all buy ASML stocks to support the effort lol

[prisma briar]

I replaced a Dell T420 and a 7th gen i5 with two Ryzen 5700g's, got rid of ceph and most of my spinner drives, moved frigate video decoding to my iGPU and got a Google Coral for AI detection, each computer went from about a constant 500w to about 60w.

And I just shut down a third computer that was constantly pulling about 300w and moved what it was doing to the 5700g's

[gleaming crater]

I should replace my older xeon servers heh

[blazing musk]

Fusion is a resource hog. Lychee Slicer slows down all 3d apps on my PC too...

There's a reason I'm using a NUC as a home server

though an ARM machine might be nice for absolute low power use. The only heavy loads it really sees are Plex encoding and PhotoPrism

[prisma briar]

I put about 1200 into it, it should pay off after 3 or 4 years.

[primal laurel]

I have one ds918plus which runs everything. Consumes about 20-30W

[blazing musk]

I have some loads I'd rather not run on a NAS but if it works for you...

[gleaming crater]

I scored 1u hp dl360p gen8 servers for like 220 bux on amazon

12 cores and 64gb ram

[ocean oar]

Oof. That was not a good generation for power use

[blazing musk]

I'm contemplating an mATX or mITX 1-2u server that I custom build for my next machine when I need to upgrade.

shorty, since my rack isn't a full depth rackmount

[gleaming crater]

I am only letting them run 1 psu each lol

[primal laurel]

like?

[gleaming crater]

There is a lot of nuc-type server boards in that form factor that'll fit in a < 1ft rack depth

I bought one off newegg and they honestly tried to ship a copy of pfsense pre-installed like anyone would be dumb enough to use it

[ocean oar]

I've always liked this line of Supermicro ones: https://www.supermicro.com/en/products/system/iot/1u/sys-510d-8c-fn6p

Have one of the older Xeon D-21xx models

Putting the board "backwards" in the case so the power is on the back and the IO on the rack face makes it nice and easy to mount in small racks alongside switches

[gleaming crater]

I mean if someone put all the ports not on the face of a rack mount item I'd be like 'wat'

[blazing musk]

Said video/photo encoding loads and local compilation (e.g. if I use ESPHome add-on directly)

[blazing musk]

Remind me the pfsense hate? They changed the free license right?

[ocean oar]

They do in fact make ones that go the other way around: https://www.supermicro.com/en/products/system/iot/1u/sys-111ad-hn2

[gleaming crater]

They also don't support pre-installed copies

If it comes pre-installed it's probably been compromised

You can run it fine without a license tho IDK what the issue is, and the better IDS rules aren't that much

[blazing musk]

Yeah. I'm looking for something with built-in hot swap 2.5 bays or at least a 5.25 bay that can fit a hot swap package.

[gleaming crater]

Sounds like a nas formfactor lol

[blazing musk]

yes but more power so it can double as both

[gleaming crater]

Rare to get mini servers with that setup that isn't built to be a nas

Just get one with non-arm to have some horsepower

[blazing musk]

my NUC is an ad-hoc NAS as well running Samba

[primal laurel]

oh lol. Esphome takes a few minutes to compile, it's slow but I guess I dont really care

[gleaming crater]

Slow esphome compiling was what drove me off a Pi for HA in the first place lol

But I was also developing a new UDP protocol stack for it at the time

[blazing musk]

PhotoPrism also took 2 full days to index 50k photos

on my NUC

[tidal bronze]

+1 for PhotoPrism

[glacial knot]

photoprism +1

[tidal bronze]

Running on a NUC as well.

All devices running Syno Photo Backup to NAS and Photo Prism to Index.

[gleaming crater]

Never heard of it but sounds interesting

[tidal bronze]

Best photo index, yet

[gleaming crater]

The one that the iphone runs onboard is surprisingly good but I don't have a mac to view it anywhere else

[tidal bronze]

Was searching for a way to unify ios and android photos /videos and making it seachable. What a breeze

[glacial knot]

I'll have to look into syno I guess
I use syncthing to sync into the injest directory and then just backup photoprisms data dir

[tidal bronze]

Big Syno fan. Been running for long time. Active Backup for ESXI simply amazing

[glacial knot]

oh, syno like synology? so it's something that integrates with the NAS?

[gleaming crater]

Synology is pretty awesome in my book

When I was shopping for office365 backup solutions its really hard to beat one of their boxes

Everything else comes with per/user/month license costs where synology is like 'nahh just buy our box'

They do nickel-and-dime people on surveillance station camera licenses, but who cares when frigate exists?

[tidal bronze]

Finally turned off SS. Frigate is good to go

[gleaming crater]

Frigate is bestgate

[tidal bronze]

Not perfect but yeah

[gleaming crater]

It's so heavily developed it'll catch up soon I bet

[tidal bronze]

One day I might be able to decommission my NVR

[gleaming crater]

given you can restream off it to frigate it's kinda like why not have the extra layer

[tidal bronze]

I do run another Standalone NVR

[ocean oar]

What would be fantastic is if all of the big commercial-grade NVR apps didn't have to run on Windows.

Pretty sure if they got rid of the grotesque baggage that is NTFS and (usually) SQL Server Express, they'd run a lot better

[gleaming crater]

Lol I tried x-protect once and was like noooope

[tidal bronze]

HiK not windows

[gleaming crater]

Lol are they commercial really?

[tidal bronze]

Vegas runs on hik

[ocean oar]

We use XProtect at work. It's... acceptable.

[gleaming crater]

It's prob the cheapest of the good camera gear

HiK does have some great sensors

[ocean oar]

There are definitely things I hate about XProtect, but it seems to cope with ~140 cameras and a third of a petabyte of disk space just fine.

[winter aspen]

Hello

[gleaming crater]

Yeah someone was in #cameras-archived trying to run a massive amount of cameras in frigate, it did not go well

[gleaming crater]

https://tenor.com/view/toy-story-toy-story-shark-sheriff-woody-gif-5254840

[primal laurel]

Till they nuked usb support

Now I'm done with them

[gleaming crater]

wat

[primal laurel]

Yes

[gleaming crater]

The only usb plugged into mine is a UPS lol

[primal laurel]

I got DSMR, coral, Bluetooth and zigbee in mine

[gleaming crater]

Looks like you can turn it back on tho

[primal laurel]

With a bunch of Linux hacks

[gleaming crater]

https://mariushosting.com/synology-how-to-add-usb-support-on-dsm-7/

That doesn't look too hacky to me

Its just enabling things manually

[primal laurel]

It shouldn't be necessary in the first place

That looks very hacky btw

[gleaming crater]

That's kinda the one thing about synology, they very much like to keep people in a controlled space

I'd call them the apple of NAS lol

[winter aspen]

How are you

[primal laurel]

Absolutely rustles my jimmies

[gleaming crater]

https://tenor.com/view/jimmies-rustled-upset-gorilla-lawnmower-gif-5801490

Lol

[primal laurel]

Wanted to throw the thing out of the window when they launched DSM 7 but it's too expensive

And dsm 6 works fine

[gleaming crater]

Regressive changes like that do suck, but the fact that it's reversable if you're willing to just install the linux kernel drivers yourself

At least they don't lock you out of it entirely lol

[gleaming crater]

And doing some modprobe and kenel driver loading is about as much hackerman as opening a shell in my book

[primal laurel]

I definitely don't agree with that

That guide also gives like 7 devices that are supported

What about the others

[gleaming crater]

Eh just gotta compile em

lol

[ocean oar]

All I want is a 24×2.5" JBOD that's under 400mm deep, so I can PCIe passthrough an HBA to a VM and make a NAS that way.
There are a couple on the market, but all absolutely impossible to get your hands on.

This looks like the best of the bunch: https://www.aicipc.com/en/productdetail/51416

[gleaming crater]

das a lot of slots

[ocean oar]

Colleague and I found who is supposed to be the NZ distributor, and they were like "lol nope, minimum order quantity is 50"

[primal laurel]

Yeaaaah... No

[tidal bronze]

So your plan is to get 3 of those?

[gleaming crater]

I mean I've been using linux for like 28 years at this point so maybe my comfort level isn't average

[ocean oar]

I got a "work's e-waste bin" deal on a JBOD-full of 3.84TB Samsung 12Gb SAS SSDs 😄

[blazing musk]

Yeah I'd put compiling drivers a couple steps above most users. For most people using a package manager is enough.

[blazing musk]

Ugh I really wanted to score on something like that

My NUC was a developer sample from an old job

[primal laurel]

That's not the point. It's the fact that's necessary at all

[tidal bronze]

Still 1 NAS?

[gleaming crater]

agree it's a bullshit move, did they even give a justification?

I'm sure they just didn't wanna support rando usb devices

[primal laurel]

Security ofcourse

Dead horse

[gleaming crater]

Lol

Given how much access you can get via usb it's kind of a gaping security hole in general, but they're not even disabling them entirely when some stuff still works lol

[ocean oar]

I don't need to make things complicated at home, get enough of that in my day job.

[primal laurel]

Amen

[tidal bronze]

How can a NAS be complicated ? Plug and forget.

[ocean oar]

Oh maybe I mistook your meaning. I thought you were suggesting multiple devices

[tidal bronze]

Of course. I run 2 syno at home and 2 remotely all synced.

[gleaming crater]

In the end I agree a rug-pull like that is enough reason to not trust a company. I tend to keep my stuff separate enough that I've not even needed any usb stuff on mine, I didn't even notice haha.

[primal laurel]

Moving to dsm 7 would essentially force me to buy new hardware

[prisma briar]

I never got the point of a NAS-centric distro when you can just install linux and set up redundancy/shares

All that stuff just sounds like extra noise to need to learn

[gleaming crater]

Most of the NAS hardware is very much adding a strong gui layer on top for people who have no clue lol

Synology has implemented a complete windowing desktop gui in html5, it's very much trying to be idiot-proof

[prisma briar]

That sounds infuriating to use, lol

[gleaming crater]

For my use case it was by far the most economical backup solution for office 365

[prisma briar]

How tf do you make disk redundancy and network shares complex enough to need to implement an HTML 5 windowing system?

[gleaming crater]

Dude these things have tons of apps you can install

And it's all it's own little walled garden lol

That's why I'm like synology is trying to be the Apple of the NAS world

[prisma briar]

Eww.

[gleaming crater]

Anything remotely consumer-facing seems to end up like this for a NAS

[primal laurel]

If this thing ever breaks down I'll come here for suggestions

[gleaming crater]

I was always a fan of freenas/truenas

[gleaming crater]

Datadog made my eyes water with the quote I got at my last place

I was like you want how much again for logging?

[ocean oar]

Splunk has entered the chat

[gleaming crater]

Lol

[red rock]

@solemn echo

[clear ferry]

It's a great introduction to zfs, but a locked down piece of shit with a lots of special quirks and a very hostile forum

[gleaming crater]

I haven't run it in many years now myself

[solemn echo]

If you think Splunk is expensive you're not using it enough to drive value. I helped find 1.5mil in savings using Splunk once.

[clear ferry]

I installed a 16PB storage box for splunk a while back

That was interesting

[gleaming crater]

Have you used the Sous Vide mode on the ninja?

My old one didn't have that mode

[solemn echo]

As the code owner of Tessie I figured this was appropriate

[gleaming crater]

I think for me the biggest deterrent to getting an electric car is how much more insurance and repair costs seem to be for them

[primal laurel]

I think EV's cheaper to maintain than ICE's

[gleaming crater]

Oh for sure, they always win on maintenance

But insurance premiums can be much higher, due to how much repairs cost after an accident for these cars

Tesla tried to do their own insurance to avoid people walking away from deals after getting insurance quotes, but it sounds like it's the worst run insurance around

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/tesla-insurance/

[primal laurel]

didnt know that

dutch source says its 16% extra here, about 150 EUR / year. Not terrible

[gleaming crater]

I know rates can be highly variable based on area here in the states

After thinking I was going to die multiple times in the back seat of an uber in boston I can understand why

[primal laurel]

Funny thing is I've had a license since my 18th yet I've never owned a car because I didn't need one. Unfortunately that will also affect the insurance premium when I do need one

[gleaming crater]

Oh sure stay with a carrier long enough it's pretty hard to find another one cheaper

[earnest tiger]

how so? due to the years of non accidents you could have accumulated?

[gleaming crater]

I'm sure some beancounter has quantified the risk based on starting age of first policy

[primal laurel]

yep exactly

[gleaming crater]

People build better muscle memory when they're young too

[primal laurel]

oh I've driven plenty

[gleaming crater]

Ahh just not on your own dime lol

[primal laurel]

mostly work, rentals, family cars

[gleaming crater]

Over here they used to classify insurance risk with credit scores before it was outlawed lol

"Poor? you must drive crappy pay us"

At least my state outlawed it, I think other states still do that

[primal laurel]

we don't have a credit score

[earnest tiger]

oh damn you're absolutely right ahahahha it can lead to some major discounts: https://www.promovendum.nl/autoverzekering/no-claim-bonus-malusladder

[gleaming crater]

Lol yeah they were foisted on us in my lifetime

[primal laurel]

cry

[earnest tiger]

also: I should really look into that, I have over 10 years of non accidents

and I'm still paying the same as 5 years ago

[gleaming crater]

Over here the cheapest carrier is highly regional, sometimes a carrier will just overprice their stuff because they don't want to deal with a region

[earnest tiger]

ok correction: the discount has been applied, it just gets more expensive every year hahhahaha from 2022 to 2023 I did go from €21 to €27 per month... with a 65% discount :S

[gleaming crater]

When I was insurance shopping last I got quotes ranging from 120 to 500/mo it was nuts

[primal laurel]

last time I checked I wanted to take over my mom's cheap car, insurance was like 150/month. Rather yeet the thing into a river

kidding, we sold it to a friend of mine

[earnest tiger]

yeah, specially the first 3 years seem to be pretty expensive :S

[gleaming crater]

It's just a way to retain the least expensive customers

People going years accident free just basically dumping money into a pit to stay legal in the event some dumbass hits us

In Texas you can put like a 20 or 25k bond down and be self-insured

Which lol these days won't cover shit

I wonder if it's gone up now

[primal laurel]

it's part of culture here to over insure for everything

in fact I think we're the nr 1 in the world

[gleaming crater]

Sounds like a very risk averse culture lol

[primal laurel]

I think the opposite

just for peace of mind

atleast that's what people say

[gleaming crater]

I think in my state it's something like 1 in 5 cars on the road don't have insurance

[static schooner]

I thought that you couldn't drop all of it in most places

you can decide not to have collision, but you have to have liability in case you cause an accident

[blazing musk]

I got backed into in a parking lot by an old guy who wanted to pay cash. "It'll only be like $50" "Yeah dude you hit my rear tail light, park distance sensor, and potentially blind spot radar, that'll be at least a grand. Who's your insurance?"

[primal laurel]

here you are required to be insured by law

[blazing musk]

same here

doesn't stop people

[gleaming crater]

Oh yeah it's the law, some people just risk the $600 ticket

[static schooner]

you can be on your own fixing your own car, but you have to be able to pay for the other guy

[blazing musk]

Thankfully my insurance has a lower deductible for uninsured motorist protection

[primal laurel]

but our law is veeeeeeeery pro cyclist/pedestrian so it would be very stupid to not get insured as a driver

[blazing musk]

But the guy's insurance was like "well he had a policy in the past..."

[gleaming crater]

Woo I'm in a top 5 state!

[blazing musk]

I mean as it should be, around the US hitting bicyclists is basically condoned as a sport.

[primal laurel]

agreed

[blazing musk]

Thankfully my worst bicycle accident was getting doored and it was while I was a teen with just a heavy full suspension bike

so I think I did more damage to their door

[gleaming crater]

In my state, if a pedestrian is not in a marked crosswalk they effectively have no legal protection if hit by a car

Or if they were crossing against the signal of a controlled crosswalk

[primal laurel]

but here the cyclist doesn't even have to prove the driver is guilty if they get hit, the driver is always guilty unless they can prove otherwise. That's quite something lol

[gleaming crater]

Damn dashcams must be popular there

[blazing musk]

Jaywalking, an example of a very effective US automotive propaganda campaign

[primal laurel]

not really

because drivers are also cyclists, they know how it feels

[earnest tiger]

not really ahhaha all drivers are also cyclists 🤷

I drive to work every day of the week, but I'm also 6 days a week on my bike haha

[prisma briar]

Must be nice to live in a flat area where bikes make sense

[primal laurel]

I hear that all the time, yet there are many cities in the US which are very flat but also don't have bikes

so it's a dumb argument

besides an electric bike will get you over any hill

[earnest tiger]

I also lived in chili for 17 years and rode a lot of bycicle there as well 🙂 flatness is not an issue

[prisma briar]

Lol, having a ton of hills definitely does matter

[gleaming crater]

In seattle I swear it's only eletric bikes here, the hills are brutal

[prisma briar]

Unless you're a professional cyclist the hills here would kick your ass. I'm in the middle of a mountain range.

[blazing musk]

I don't mind the hills so much; it's the eastside choke points that suck here that force you to join traffic.

[static schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-spongebob-square-pants-leg-day-leg-flex-gif-4902158

[red rock]

This is me yesterday

Now I have muscle ache

[blazing musk]

Also Bellevue, where Kemper Freeman is the bane of any non-car's existence (unless you're in his mall, then he loves pedestrians)

[gleaming crater]

Bellevue hates people not in luxury SUVs

[primal laurel]

like I said, electric bike will get you over anything

[gleaming crater]

Do they have power limits over there? Washgington has dumb e-blke limits that everyone breaks

[prisma briar]

I'd just get a motorcycle at that point

[blazing musk]

I have noticed Teslas replaced BMWs there

[primal laurel]

you're american, its okay

[earnest tiger]

yeah, nowadays there is, out of the top of my head somehting like 250w

or limited to 25kph

not sure, not an owner of an electric bike so haven't informed myself very well about it

[primal laurel]

yeah 25 or 30 is the max

on my dad's bike

[prisma briar]

It's not like there's bike trails here, I'd be riding my bike in the street, might as well get a motorcycle if I'm getting an e-bike.

[primal laurel]

yeah exactly it's infrastructure

first built the infrastructure, then they will show up

[prisma briar]

idk about where I am now but Denver had an abnormally large problem with bicycle theft.

[gleaming crater]

Here they built the bike lanes but then don't clean the leaves out of them lol

[prisma briar]

They built bike lanes here and do stupid shit like leave construction signs and police speed radars in them all the time

They left one of the police radars in a turn lane a few months ago, somebody smashed into it

It was all mangled on the sidewalk one day

[gleaming crater]

It blew my mind when I saw the bike-only freeways in belgium

[primal laurel]

my hometown has bicycle paths paths crossing the suburbs almost entirely separate from the normal roads

[prisma briar]

Whenever the city needs to do maintenance on anything they treat the bike lanes as free parking

[primal laurel]

in the morning it's a school highway lol

[gleaming crater]

I remember my first time in belgium the host was like do NOT stand in the bike lane you do NOT have the right of way

[prisma briar]

The bike lanes don't actually extend to most areas of the city so you're in normal traffic for most of your journey to go basically anywhere

[primal laurel]

city I live in now has a bicycle lane going through the parks north to the high tech campus, also nice to cycle there going to work

[earnest tiger]

exactly this, when a trip takes longer with the car then with the bike... guess which one I'm picking xD

[earnest tiger]

eindhoveuuuh! 😛

[prisma briar]

Jeez, my area's density is 2,451.2 people per sq mile, rotterdam's (random choice) is 7,760 people per sq mile

[earnest tiger]

to be fair, that's one of the most populated area 😅

[prisma briar]

I'm in the second most populated city in my state

[blazing musk]

yay snot!

[prisma briar]

My city has 72% of the popluation of Rotterdam

[gleaming crater]

Damn seattle is 8444 people per sq mile

[primal laurel]

high density is not a requiement, you will find the best infrastructure in the smallest towns here

[gleaming crater]

that can't be real can it

[primal laurel]

part of the road I took to school every day for many years

[prisma briar]

My town is almost half a million people, it's just really spread out

In a way that doesn't exist in Europe

It's also really hilly because I'm in the middle of the Rocky Mountains

[static schooner]

that road needs at least 3 more lanes in each direction

[gleaming crater]

Yeah spread out is an infrastructure killer

[umbral cliff]

What if the cyclist goes into the side of the car lol
or is that one of the prove otherwise thing

[primal laurel]

cycling highway? Yes those exist here too

depends how it happened I guess?

[static schooner]

Seems like it could depend on the circumstance

[earnest tiger]

depends on the damage

[static schooner]

if the bike had the right of way and a car just happened to drive in front of it...

[prisma briar]

My brother hit the side of a car because they pulled out of their driveway into the bike lane once

Bent the forks on his bike

[gleaming crater]

Bikes hitting cars at fault seems like a 1 in 100 kinda circumstance

[primal laurel]

it doesn't have to be a problem. You guys just have a weird way of zoning things where you put all the commerce in one part of the city and all the houses in another part. Here it's spread all over the place

[gleaming crater]

No way it's not predominantly a car fault situation

[prisma briar]

Maybe if a bike scraped against the side of a car while trying to pass it

[blazing musk]

racism does weird things to a country

[gleaming crater]

Zoning laws racist? clutches pearls

[static schooner]

"mixed use" is generally part of gentrification

[umbral cliff]

One of my friends had a bike just try and cross a road at full speed without looking, hit by them in a car
Insurance ruled the driver should've stopped at a green light to ensure the cyclist was safe, 70:30 fault with 70% being driver

[prisma briar]

Everything old in America is built on a foundation of racism because that was America for half it's existence.

[umbral cliff]

Yet another story, friend was cycling, hit by a car going fast out of a driveway
Insurance ruled it was the cyclists fault for being there (same insurance company somehow)

[prisma briar]

HOAs? Originally designed to discriminate what races could live in a neighborhood.

[gleaming crater]

Funny how allowing combined use improves values of an area

[blazing musk]

The landlord across the street literally admitted to me that he raised the credit score requirement when new tenants were applying to keep the "east Indians" out.

It's not gone

[gleaming crater]

Jesus christ

[prisma briar]

I'd report him

[blazing musk]

I have, at least

[umbral cliff]

Theres a credit score requirement for renting? Wow

[gleaming crater]

This country is the definition of institutionalized racism at so many levels it's difficult to fully recognize

[blazing musk]

Landlords like to do background checks when you apply for tenancy somewhere

Commercial and individual.

That includes credit score.

[gleaming crater]

Credit scores are just rascim with numbers lol

[prisma briar]

I don't think I ever had to provide a credit report when renting

[gleaming crater]

Zillow has a whole thing for renters to pay for their own background check to apply for multiple rentals

[blazing musk]

Nah you just fill out a form and it has fine print that it might include things like your credit score.

[prisma briar]

Had never used credit for my first apartment, moved in with people who already had an apartment for my second, and the house I rented only cared about my income and job history

[blazing musk]

And it's not necessarily all

[primal laurel]

credit score sounds like some black mirror shit to me

[prisma briar]

idk, every time I've been asked to do a credit score it's been a wholly separate form. I don't think they're allowed to bury that one on another form.

In my experience credit scores are a joke

[umbral cliff]

Whilst in australia a credit score exists but doesn't really matter unless its very low
You start with a high credit score. Banks only really care when it goes too low but they'll look as to why

Landlords don't get to see credit scores

[umbral cliff]

The way its done in the US it sounds like chinas social score

[prisma briar]

I could get my score to be any number from 400 to 750 in like three months

[gleaming crater]

Lol it 100% is

Your credit score goes down for paying off your car loan

[blazing musk]

Which makes it super funny when we get hysterical news reports or opinion pieces on their social score

[primal laurel]

so scary

[gleaming crater]

Having debt is the only way to 'build credit'

It's like 'consume or die' but with interest rates that punish the poor

[blazing musk]

It's mostly about how good you are at making money for lenders through interest

[umbral cliff]

My score is 790/1000
It was 800 when i first opened my first credit card
I recently opened another credit card so it dropped lol

Goes up as I pay my card off in full every month

[prisma briar]

Some utilities report to credit and your landlord can report your rent to credit too, but most don't.

850 is the max credit score

[gleaming crater]

Credit reports are fucked when you get a divorce too, I was getting calls about my ex's shenigans for years

[earnest tiger]

ahha I can remember in Chili some relative wanted to buy a house, but she had no debt so the bank wouldn't give her a loan.. she had to apply for a small debt somewhere for a few months, pay that off in order for her to get taken seriously by the bank xD

[static schooner]

having long-term revolving credit that you pay off every month builds your credit score without involving interest

[prisma briar]

That bit between 750 and 850 requires actively good history but you can get to 750 with a couple credit cards and six months.

And not having a ton of unpaid/late debt

[umbral cliff]

Only time a bank cares is if you regularly aren't paying debt off
Otherwise they don't care what your credit score is

Most loans here are done on the basis of what your income is, and thus what you could foreseeably repay

[primal laurel]

dont even use my credit card unless for very specific things

[prisma briar]

I use my credit card for everything then pay it off monthly

reward points can be as much as 6% off on some purchases

Generally more like 2% though

[umbral cliff]

I use my credit card for everything because I like my frequent flyer points I earn lol
Makes travel cheap

[primal laurel]

most people here will be like "credit card fee is way too high, I'll just use my debit card"

[prisma briar]

I just get cash back. I get 5% from Amazon purchases, 3% for gas, 2% for everything else, and my CC sometimes randomly rotates a category in to be 6% for a week or two.

[umbral cliff]

As in annual fee?

[prisma briar]

My CC rewards more than pay for my CC fee, lol

[earnest tiger]

yeah, and also you have to pay off 100% of your credit card each month

[gleaming crater]

NYT did a thing about how those CC reward programs are basically paid for by poor people

[prisma briar]

You don't have to, it's not like paying a month's of interest is the end of the world

[gleaming crater]

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/04/opinion/credit-card-rewards-points-poor-interchange-fees.html

[umbral cliff]

One of my credit cards is free (no annual fee)
The other is $350 but I get 1 free return flight with it, and that is about $350 from my city anyway

[primal laurel]

Percentage of payment, annual fee, payback periods. Just way more complex and expensive

[umbral cliff]

Thats not surprising, thats a CC in a nutshell
like 30% make 90% of the money

[prisma briar]

All of my CCs are less than $20/year

I have three because they get reward points on different things

[umbral cliff]

Paying 100% off isn't that crazy, my logic is if I don't have the money I won't spend it

[umbral cliff]

Thats fair
I just tap and go with whatever, most I have to think about is whether they accept amex (and then use my other cc if they don't). Most places here seem to take amex, and tap and pay is just so common too

[earnest tiger]

yeah, again in Chili you could go to the supermarket and buy all your groceries with your credit card... in 3 monthly fees (WHY would anybody do that), but that was the 'standard'

[prisma briar]

Tap pay is nice.

Forgot my wallet a few days ago but still had my phone, was still able to buy groceries.

[blazing musk]

it me

[umbral cliff]

Its everywhere here in aus, I just swap between my phone, physical card, or watch lol

[prisma briar]

Paypal advertises that here on any site that takes paypal payments

[umbral cliff]

Thats horrible
I have the BNPL schemes, just puts people into more debt

[gleaming crater]

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/04/opinion/credit-card-rewards-points-poor-interchange-fees.html?unlocked_article_code=1.Ok0.lZsH.c72Sfe14i5yk&smid=url-share free article link lol

[primal laurel]

99% of my payments in person are wireless nowadays

[prisma briar]

I still pay for some transactions with cash because banks suck and the people I lease rooms to pay me in cash so I still deal with cash pretty regularly

[umbral cliff]

I can't remember the last time I had to insert my card, since here in aus no matter the cost can tap, just once its over $100 have to put in your pin
Even ATMs when using my debit card are tap now lol

[primal laurel]

what's tap?

[prisma briar]

contactless payment

[earnest tiger]

what we call contactless payment indeed 🙂

[prisma briar]

PayPass/payWave

[primal laurel]

like NFC?

[umbral cliff]

Its got about 1000 names across the world lol

[gleaming crater]

America just adopts eu payment methods years after the fact

[umbral cliff]

Yes
Tap your card or phone against the reader

[gleaming crater]

They had chip and pin way before us

[prisma briar]

Yea, NFC powers a little processor on the card that does crypto verification

[primal laurel]

yeah that's nice

[static schooner]

In other words, make contact with the reader to make a contactless payment

[umbral cliff]

Aus went mandatory chip & pin for domestic cards around 2010
Paywave around the same time too

[gleaming crater]

For years it was trivial to clone a CC magstripe and they only compared to the signature on the back of the card you had with you lol

[umbral cliff]

You can hold it about a cm away from the reader too lol

[prisma briar]

No electrical contact

[umbral cliff]

But the advantage is not having to insert it and wait for it to think

[prisma briar]

Meaning there's no stupid chip contacts to die every 3 months

[static schooner]

yes, I get it :). I usually have to get close enough that I just tap it

[umbral cliff]

I usually slap the card on the machine, wait for the beep, move on

[gleaming crater]

I love tap to pay on my watch it's so quick and effortless

[prisma briar]

I can't stand wearing my smart watch

[earnest tiger]

I had that happen to me some really long time ago jaahahah to make matters worse, it was during my vacations and my card just stopped working all together without any previous indications it was dying lol

[prisma briar]

Everything about it is so uncomfortable

[primal laurel]

went to australia as a kid, I just remember the insane distances we travelled without seeing anything haha

[prisma briar]

I had that happen every 3 or 4 months for a couple years after they first rolled chips out here

[umbral cliff]

Yeah thats aus for you
Cities can be hundreds of kms away

[gleaming crater]

I have to have the sport band with the holes to be comfortable

[earnest tiger]

which sucked big time because in order to transfer money to my wife, guess what I needed a code for... my card!

[prisma briar]

Then they started making cards a little thicker and they quit breaking all the time

[gleaming crater]

Now every credit card has gone metal and you cant even destroy it when it's done without equipment lol

[umbral cliff]

We still have plastic cards here
Never had a card die before it expired

[prisma briar]

My issue was it was either tight enough to be annoying or loose enough it shook around

And I also wanted to wear it while sleeping for sleep tracking but that was wildly uncomfortable

[primal laurel]

I would like to go back at some point though

[prisma briar]

I've never wore a watch for more than a few hours before so I might just not be used to watches

[gleaming crater]

Ahh I wore a watch 24/7 as a kid for years lol

[umbral cliff]

Where did you go in aus?

[gleaming crater]

They have those fabric bands that can be infinitely adjustable

[prisma briar]

I've never been fond of having things around my wrists. Bracelets, watches, concert markers

[gleaming crater]

Lol

[primal laurel]

up and down the west coast. Katanning, to perth, north, back down to perth

[static schooner]

handcuffs

[umbral cliff]

Ah you literally chose the emptiest state to drive in lol

[static schooner]

unless fuzzy

[prisma briar]

I have a leather band on my watch right now

[gleaming crater]

Those don't breathe enough for my sweaty self

[prisma briar]

The silicone one it came with kept rubbing on my wrists weird

[primal laurel]

have family there haha

[prisma briar]

My wrists would be red every time I used it

I should sell that watch

[gleaming crater]

Lol

[prisma briar]

Lol, nevermind. Those don't hold value at all apparently

Glad I didn't pay for mine, lol

[gleaming crater]

Turn it into the worlds most overpriced keychain

[prisma briar]

Mount it on the wall as a smarthome light switch

Hmm

That might not actually suck

[gleaming crater]

Hang it around your neck as a tiny clock so you can pretend to be Flavor Flav

[prisma briar]

It's got a web browser on it

[static schooner]

I haven't seen a pocketsmartwatch

you could be the first

[gleaming crater]

I'm sure they sell a lanyard type holder that would make it a pocketwatch

[prisma briar]

Sounds like a flip phone

Just upside down

[gleaming crater]

Print a dock that turns it into a tiny flipphone?

[prisma briar]

I was considering putting an app on it so I could track it and clipping it to my dog's collar

[gleaming crater]

It's already basically an overpriced airtag

Same tech

[prisma briar]

Work pays for my cell phone bill so it's still got an active cell plan, lol

[gleaming crater]

lolwat

Hang on let me charge your collar every day

That wouldn't get old fast

[static schooner]

Hold really still...

[gleaming crater]

Just lay on this giant Qi dogbed

[prisma briar]

I'd probably only use it if I wanted to take her out in the woods or something

And have her off leash

For normal walks around the neighborhood I'd need to keep her leashed

[gleaming crater]

Use the walkietalkie app to make people think she can talk

[prisma briar]

SQUIRREL

[gleaming crater]

Ahahaha exactly

You could maybe have custom alert sounds with HA?

[prisma briar]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I never used the HA app on it after the first time

It was not a great experience

"There's no dashboard for Android Wear so here's a giant list of all your entities"

[gleaming crater]

I tried going ham with mine at one point, publishing a list of actions that have actionable call-and-response to drill down

The only button I use is the one to play/pause the tv lol

[prisma briar]

I like my TV remote for controlling my TV

I've got one of the LG Magic remotes, I have it set up to work as a keyboard/mouse for my PC too

And some of the buttons on it remapped to control lights in the room

[gleaming crater]

I have now what is worth it's weight in gold, a harmony remote

My wife was mindfucked when I was able to make buttons on it control the blinds from my phone

[prisma briar]

I have two Harmony 900's and a harmony 300

Don't use any of them anymore though

[gleaming crater]

People will pay good money for those now

Since they're discontinued

[prisma briar]

I'd rather just keep them

I did use them for a long time and I might move back if I ever replace this LG with another brand

https://github.com/netham45/remoteListener I made this to listen for commands from my harmony remotes from an lirc server and control a ton of stuff with them

Then added support for a proxy app that runs on LG TVs and sends the magic remote state too

[gleaming crater]

I just use the emulated hue to get commands back from the remote to do stuff

It just has to be part of the 'scene' so you can send it commands

wait emulated roku lol

Wrong emulated service lol

[prisma briar]

lol, I was wondering

[gleaming crater]

It does detect hue and lifx tho

[prisma briar]

My remote has a gyroscope in it that controls a cursor on the screen that makes it great to use as a PC mouse

[gleaming crater]

If I need a mouse/keyboard I use one of these https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07T13GLY3/

[prisma briar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaJ4sJkXVaQ

Not my video but that's the same remote/mouse cursor setup

[gleaming crater]

I need to jailbreak my LG lol

[prisma briar]

I also added a T9 keyboard to mine so I can type using the number buttons on mine

[gleaming crater]

I have an OLED I haven't let on the internet in years

[prisma briar]

afaik all firmwares are currently jailbreakable, but some require you to disassemble the screen

to flash an eeprom

[gleaming crater]

Ahahah gross

[prisma briar]

If you haven't updated the software on it in years you can probably still use https://rootmy.tv/

That's how I rooted mine

[gleaming crater]

I need to think up some firewall rules first, last time it touched the internet it was trying to make me agree to some new terms and I was like noooooope

It didn't ask when I power cycled it without internet again

[prisma briar]

You can deny most of the terms it wants you to agree to

For things like voice assistant and content recognition

[gleaming crater]

Yeah but I'm sure it'll upgrade the firmware next

[prisma briar]

They prompt before upgrading

By default

Check it's set to that while it's offline I guess

[gleaming crater]

Maybe I can just allow that one site

[prisma briar]

Every once in a while the hack won't fire on mine and it boots up stock and tries upgrading, it always prompts first.

[gleaming crater]

house of cards may topple at random

[prisma briar]

And from what I've heard none of the upgrades have affected previously rooted devices, just closed off exploits

[gleaming crater]

I would keep mine off the internet still, it's only online for state-related automations

Or at least block anything LG

[prisma briar]

My livingroom PC turns on/off with the state of my TV, and my TV has outbound access because I use the built-in streaming apps

But it's restricted in such a way that other wireless clients can't reach out to it at all so basically the only things that can hit it locally are HA and my desktop

[gleaming crater]

I'd consider it for hyperion

[prisma briar]

I have an IoT SSID that has client isolation turned on/is on it's own vlan

[gleaming crater]

same, just my tv is in the network without internet bucket lol

I don't use any streaming services my tv supports anyways lol

[prisma briar]

HA and my TV are the only hosts in my IoT network that have internet access

HA just so I can run updates

I guess I use the weather widget too

[tidal bronze]

@forest edge how's that cold front in the Midwest?

Want some of this 67?

[gleaming crater]

So for the other 11 months is it a burning hellscape? Lol

[tidal bronze]

83 max. Go ahead drool

[prisma briar]

Quit taking photos while driving

[tidal bronze]

Was not driving

[prisma briar]

uh-huh

[tidal bronze]

You can see in the HUD I was not lol

[prisma briar]

All I see is a road from the perspective of the driver's seat

[tidal bronze]

2 green hands were holding the steering while I was taking the picture.

[static schooner]

ate too much kelp, turned hands green?

[tidal bronze]

Yep exactly

[prisma briar]

I assume he was wearing green pants and driving with his knees while he took the photo

[static schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/jesus-take-the-wheel-jesus-drive-gif-12802178

[tidal bronze]

I am texting most of the time IF I am driving anyway. I rarely drive even though I am in the seat.

[prisma briar]

Isn't driving while texting like a 10 year sentence down there?

[tidal bronze]

While driving, yes. But I don't 🤣

Hit the button and text away.