the-water-cooler

[ocean oar]

I've gotten closer to taking a bus in the past 3 years than at any other point in the past 10

Some crazy how, there's one route that goes from ~5 minutes walk from my house to ~5 minutes walk from my office

But it still would mean nearly an hour from door to door, vs slighly under 25 minutes to drive

[clear ferry]

Yeah, I'm currrently in the process of moving 1100km from my office, I currently live 64km away
Fun stuff, I would probably be MORE frequent and EARLIER in the office after I movec

because if I drop off kids here around 0730 then drive to the office, I usually get stuck in traffic, which means I reach the office at 0930 -> 10:00

but when I move I can take a plane at 0630 and be landing in Oslo at 08:00 and the train takes 30-40m to the office, and it's a 3min walk

[umbral cliff]

I've been tempted to take a bus to work, would be about 30-40mins vs the 15-20 driving
But free parking and no peak hour makes it hard to beat driving

[clear ferry]

So I've cleaned up a lot of my HA stuff, and moved a lot to the UI now, because I always just ignore it when I don't have time with sick kids around

If I can do it in the UI it is more likely it gets done

[split sparrow]

What's the "Member" role on this Discord?

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/bxNgY.gif

[split sparrow]

Ah it seems like maybe a member of the HA org on GitHub

[red rock]

Core member

Not every org member is member here, as there are also language leaders (from the voice stuff) that are part of the org

but they are not core member

[primal laurel]

Double decker EV bus?

[red rock]

why

[primal laurel]

because it still runs most games

[red rock]

ooh

I was thinking about software update

so I was thinking whathappened

some kind of update that bricks GPUs?

but we're talking hardware kind of upgrade

understandable

[solar zealot]

They probably even be supported for a couple more years to come

I do heavily enjoy the new massive cooler design on the top end card
Makes them so quiet

[clear ferry]

https://socket.dev/blog/when-everything-becomes-too-much

[gleaming crater]

It’s insane they’d let someone lock your package because someone else depended on it

I am aware of the left pad debacle shutting down the internet, people should be required to locally cache packages to use em or something

[crisp oriole]

I wonder how many vunrabilities everything has

[glacial knot]

that star dependency is 😂

[gleaming crater]

If you’re using an NPM package the answer is probably “yes”

[glacial knot]

Every company worth something does

But would companies worth something use left-pad?

[gleaming crater]

Did you read the detail on all that?

Like react was using it deep down

And another couple major libs

It’s that endless chain of dependencies

[glacial knot]

It's been a while

yea, at times like that I appreciate our fat monorepo that mandates everything we use is under our control

[gleaming crater]

https://qz.com/646467/how-one-programmer-broke-the-internet-by-deleting-a-tiny-piece-of-code

[lime geyser]

Look ols help

[red rock]

Honeycomb

[low harness]

I just learned bash.org is gone!

[thick dust]

Hi all. I'm not sure the right place to post this, but some of you may find it useful. I've been wanting a way to write automation in .NET, and I've been wanting to learn Kafka. To that end, I've created this little project that uses Home Assistant's Kafka integration. Enjoy!
https://github.com/leosperry/ha-kafka-net

[dusky plank]

How to protect ethernet port?
E.g. i have a ethernet connection to my neighbour with a port in a shared utility room accessible to anyone in the complex.

I setup a pppoe connection now but what else is there? Radius?

[gleaming crater]

Sounds like you need client certificates

And a switch that rejects clients without one

[glacial knot]

radius+802.1-X hardware
Shouldn't need to do pppoe then

or just run wireguard as transport layer on the untrusted link

[ocean oar]

Yep

[static schooner]

I'm an Apple fan, and even I'll admit that this looks like something out of The Andromeda Strain:

it looks more "dystopian" than "futuristic"

I think it's all the white that makes it look like a lab coat & environment

[ocean oar]

The only "spatial" part is the space between the ears of anyone who is buying this over-priced solution-in-search-of-a-problem

[gleaming crater]

"Do you wanna look like a d-bag in digital ski goggles?"

I do get the possible appeal of having a work space in AR if it was done well enough. I'd be putting windows all over the room lol

[static schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-radioactive-man-ny-eyes-goggles-do-nothing-gif-12845538

[gleaming crater]

The only killer app I can think of would be something that puts name labels on people haha

[static schooner]

that would be helpful

that way, I don't need to surreptitiously glance down at someone's badge at work, which invariably is turned backward 🙂

[solar zealot]

Didn't they wanted to do that with Google glasses

But they couldn't because people cried privacy concerns

[primal laurel]

I can't imagine someone would wear this in public, it looks so ridiculous

[static schooner]

Who are you again? Oh, you're my VP?

[glacial knot]

You need to learn the magic of double sided print

[static schooner]

I don't think they really intend for it to be worn while walking around. The demos that I've seen involve sitting on a couch in a room, or in an office

[primal laurel]

then why the creepy eyes? I dont get it

[glacial knot]

I wonder if it's some Apple's equivalent for building promo

[midnight adder]

Me to EVERY executive at my company and client's

[static schooner]

when somebody calls me by my name and I can't remember who they are, that's when there's a problem 🙂

[midnight adder]

Why would there be a problem?

That happens to me on a DAILY basis at work

[static schooner]

I should know?

[midnight adder]

if you deal with alot of people daily then how can you know them all?

[static schooner]

🤷

I guess it's a "me" thing

[midnight adder]

I have unique features and I run IT support alone at my site

do you work alone?

[static schooner]

nope

[midnight adder]

with a team?

[static schooner]

yes

If I've met someone enough or for long enough for them to know who I am, I feel like I should know who they are, as it's valuable to build relationships

like I said, maybe a me thing

[midnight adder]

Do you have some sort of rare/unique feature? If not then yeah I can see why it's a concern

[static schooner]

I am a human

[gleaming crater]

lol I’m so terrible with putting names to faces it takes a long time for it to stick

[static schooner]

and we live in a society

that is all

[gleaming crater]

Lol

[midnight adder]

I have put like 4 or 5 names to a face at my current role and I have been there since like june

the good news though

If EVERYONE is terribe at names

then no one is terrible at names

[midnight adder]

Not really did you forget how last year started?

we can lose order pretty quickly if anyone powerful makes a mistake

[blazing musk]

me utterly underestimating the data size around PhotoPrism and waking up to a full VHD. At least it was quick to expand the VHD...

17.3G /share/photoprism

[gleaming crater]

Me at work today

[blazing musk]

https://www.ddinstagram.com/p/C1Z3MJOurLW

[prisma briar]

Lol, I just realized I've never done a time based automation before now.

They've always had some environmental trigger

[dusky token]

Does anyone know if it’s even possible to send an ssh command (without login) from my HomeAssistant pi to another pi? Essentially I have a calibreweb running on another pi but sometimes I take calibre offline to do database work. There is a web portal to shutdown the service but to restart it I need to ssh in and run a command. I want to do something along the lines of “ssh pi@calibreweb ‘<run start script>” I probably have the syntax there a little off. Can HomeAssistant handle something like this?

[primal laurel]

yes, that can be done

[dusky token]

I’d probably have to set up a script on the HA end to send the command with a button press?

[primal laurel]

I used to have it in place for backup purposes, trying to find it

I used this: https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/shell_command/

[gleaming crater]

It just has to be key-based login to have no password

[primal laurel]

I had something like:
rsync_backup: ssh -i /config/.ssh/id_rsa -o "StrictHostKeyChecking=no" user@local -p 23 "rsync ... "

[static schooner]

Every time I hear a British actor speaking in their native accent when they completely pulled off an American accent in a show (like Sarah Snook), I'm reminded that I can't even say the word 'no' with an Australian accent.

I'm watching an Australian show and that word has a truly perplexing set of sounds when said with an Australian accent

I think it has a 'u' and 'r' in there somewhere

[ocean oar]

Hugh Laurie is always one of those for me. Watching House, and then going back to Jeeves and Wooster, Blackadder, and the likes

[static schooner]

Yep, him too

Freddie Hightower

There are a bunch that make me do a double take when I hear them speak

[young sigil]

Narh mate.

[static schooner]

Yeah, that's a reasonable approximation

It's so different that it's plausible it's like aluminum+extra syllable

we're codifying our pronunciation into the spelling 🙂

[ocean oar]

But not always. Because an important part of the Australian & New Zealand accents is grossly mispronouncing most vowels

Australians turn Is into Es (six -> sex) and NZers turn Es into Is (pen -> pin)

Simple

[young sigil]

No that first only is NZers (though it sounds more like "sux" to me). We don't do six -> sex. We do absolutely over stress the vowel "a" in every word.

NAArh MAAte.

[static schooner]

to sound more piratey, no doubt

[young sigil]

Could be similar origins.

[static schooner]

figures, since Australia was colonized by the British prison population

[young sigil]

And we are all descended from convicts.

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/patchy-the-pirate-spongebob-nicktoons-bubble-gif-16638629

[static schooner]

GB probably thought that the local predator population would just kill them off eventually

[young sigil]

Where are the bubbles from below the image coming from? Did he blow to hard and shart bart?

[iron granite]

Maybe he swallowed a piece of soap

[young sigil]

You jest but it is a scientifically proven fact that Australian soil is not composed of silica but is in fact just lots of very small venomous spiders.

[iron granite]

Introducing today: smellable GIFs

[steep kindle]

Any one here using Traefik as reverse proxy for HA? My HA container is configured to use host network. Traefik sees this and uses 127.0.0.1 to contact the service, but that ends up being inside Traefiks own container space and not on my actual host.

If I use docker network for the HA container, then it works fine except mDNS doesn't work..

[gleaming crater]

Doesn’t MDNS need docker host mode to ever work?

At least I’ve never gotten it to work without it

[steep kindle]

Exactly, HA needs to have host network mode enabled, but that confuses traefik a little. Anyway, I just figured that I need to set extra_hosts for the traefik container and now it works 😄

extra_hosts:
    - "host.docker.internal:host-gateway"

[primal laurel]

https://docs.pola.rs/py-polars/html/reference/lazyframe/index.html

having fun with this

[gleaming crater]

My co-workers are all losing their mind for the championship game today

Everyone is like "Don't call me after 3pm today"

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/max-verstappen-gif-22986222

[gleaming crater]

Dutch national anthem intensifies

The most anticlimatic part of the championship this year was max winning it on a staurday from a sprint race

[primal laurel]

I think it was already clear many races before that point haha

[gleaming crater]

That midfield was hawt I didn’t care lol

[primal laurel]

The best races have fights at the front

Like Singapore

[gleaming crater]

Max is like "suck less"

[primal laurel]

Sure

But I think there is enough talent to at least challenge him. Constructors need to step up

I read McLaren has a some chance to be a challenger next year, let's see

They made some crazy progress second half last year

[gleaming crater]

The spread from first to worst in single lap times is still some of the closest there has been in the history of the sport

Just nobody has max’s race pace it’s inhuman

[primal laurel]

I think a few would get close if they had the car to match RB

Charles, Lando, Lewis and Alonso for sure

[gleaming crater]

https://tenor.com/view/f1-formula1-formula-one-fernando-alonso-alonso-gif-12688281

[orchid rose]

Can't escape the orange vomit even in the off season

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/max-verstappen-celebration-gif-25163283

[forest edge]

I find it weird that there is no google home app for google tv to where you can see your google home devices and interact with them rather than using voice assistant

[viral grotto]

I mean, you can use your phone for that

[supple horizon]

https://www.reuters.com/markets/deals/hewlett-packard-enterprise-nears-13-bln-deal-buy-juniper-networks-wsj-2024-01-08/

Thanks I hate it

[forest edge]

not all of us have it glued to our hands lol

[solar zealot]

Weird people

The worst kind are the ones that need to get their phone from another room to look something up

[viral grotto]

Yeah idk lol, I always have it in my pocket or within hand reach

[red rock]

That's very millenial of you

[solar zealot]

Let me call via landline to inform about the cat images I mailed

I demand a view confirmation

[forest edge]

future generations will have implants and think you guys putting those devices to your ear is strange

[primal laurel]

I know people who spend 7 hours per day on tiktok/yt shorts

phone addiction is real

[umbral cliff]

Surely a fax as well in there

[solar zealot]

No that would disconnect the phone service momentarily if I remember correctly

[umbral cliff]

Just be part of the decade cycle
Mid 2000s it was cool to have the single Bluetooth earpiece
Mid 2010s were cabled headphones
Mid 2020s seem like the true wireless buds era

[umbral cliff]

That's why you have two phone lines

[solar zealot]

No one is that rich!

[forest edge]

1 bt earbud for talking then vs the double for all now isn't much of a diffrence

[red rock]

I hate bluetooth and mic

[solar zealot]

Well the one piece headsets were kinda horrible looking

Now people just look like mad talking to themselves

[clear ferry]

Good thing you tell me news about my company before I know it

[gleaming crater]

Now didn't HPE sell off their switches to Aruba? or was it the other way around lol

[forest edge]

@tidal bronze welp samsung is about to release their new music frame speakers. guess you'll be busy replacing all your current shitty hidden speakers with the new tech

[gleaming crater]

Lol that sounded a bit aggressive

Also why hide the speakers when you can make them look intimidating

[solar zealot]

And all they hear with that is some new rapper with lyrics that are even too bad to be the output of chatgpt

[static schooner]

Might want to make your left/right separation wider than your TV 🙂

[gleaming crater]

That's an old pic at an old house but yeah they are now

[solar zealot]

surely it's all just center channels

[static schooner]

that's some monophonic sound ya got there...

[gleaming crater]

Hey just cuz rappers look like a detention desk now

[solar zealot]

that is uncomfortably accurate

[gleaming crater]

Also those speakers look close but it's deceptively small looking in that picture, they're big ass speakers IRL

And yes they're noticably wider than my tv currently lol

They are loud enough to rattle your fillings loose anyways

[split sparrow]

Who needs stereo separation 😁

Look like nice speakers though

[gleaming crater]

I'm very much of the camp that if you don't spend at least as much on speakers as you do the rest of the gear you're just wasting your time/money

[split sparrow]

Agreed. Good speakers don't go out of date either

[gleaming crater]

Not unless you rip a cone haha

[split sparrow]

No children allowed in the house, easy 😁

[gleaming crater]

These have metal cones tho, I'd have to make my ears bleed and they'd still not rip

The only place I ever went thru speakers was trunk subwoofers, in washington state if your trunk wasn't perfectly sealed the coil would corrode and short itself out over time

[split sparrow]

Trunk subwoofers don't have the "buy it for life vibe" I don't think haha

[gleaming crater]

Lol true

It was comical when I had a 1990 nissan sentra that was worth more than double if you counted the sound system

Oh shit there was a boom and my internet just went out

That’s interesting, whatever just went boom tripped my UPS entirely off???

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-gif-24177057

[split sparrow]

Yikes

[gleaming crater]

Nothing like having your whole cluster surprise power down

Time to buy a new UPS lol what's a better brand than tripplite

I mean even my 3d printer on the same circuit didn't even stop printing during all this

[clear ferry]

We own Aruba, and 3com, and procurve and parts of h3c

And we rebrand mellanox, brocade, collibris, arista and a few more

So juniper is just one more

[gleaming crater]

I think what threw me is they went and relabeled old HPE switches as Aruba lol

[clear ferry]

Well

Yeah

It's worse than that

[gleaming crater]

Lol

You can tell I've been paying close attention haha

[silent dove]

@clear ferry I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

[clear ferry]

Just that the bot decided to gagball me

should say the story is long

[gleaming crater]

Ahahaha

[clear ferry]

I can go on and on

Also, I'm the only network consultant in norway, and pretty close to only one in scandinavia at this point

So I need to learn JunOS

[gleaming crater]

JunOS is pretty ez, just a little different

They're mostly bastards who charge thru the nose for software

[clear ferry]

so just like cisco, they just do it for hardware too

I've worked with mostly any networking gear that matters the last 20 years, and I'm still astonished people who bought cisco ACI have uptime

I'm also flabbergasted that Siemens couldn't manage to copy any switch software to begin with, Scalence X series is a nightmare

[blazing musk]

Had some "trees touching the HV wire" brownouts here myself

[gleaming crater]

Yeah too much of that here when it’s windy

[blazing musk]

I thought TrippLite was supposed to be good? I'm just running cheap cyberpower UPS and they're fine

[gleaming crater]

Idk maybe it’s overloaded but doesn’t know it till the power cuts out haha

[supple horizon]

next will be the neuralink, only a few people will die trying it out and getting a bad software update.

[primal laurel]

Elon Musk spills coffee on his computer and you're like

[gleaming crater]

https://tenor.com/view/dies-of-cringe-die-laughing-gif-24902854

[blazing musk]

https://tenor.com/view/scanners-ironside-uncomfortable-pleasure-gif-15047126

[blazing musk]

god I remember during peak bluedouche era a guy coming into the park bathroom and just continuing his conversation at full volume while he pissed

[supple horizon]

I remember someone doing that on a conference call with like 200 people in it, they forgot to put it in lecture mode for the first few minutes and it was glorious chaos. One guy pissing and flushing, a woman asking where is the cream cheese, another guy placing an order at dunkin donuts.

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-bus-backing-up-gif-3383434433811830434

[gleaming crater]

https://tenor.com/view/back-up-gif-8713338

[solar zealot]

i am having a bit of an uncertainty moment migrating the statistics from an old to a new sensor id

it says "check that they carried over" but it only shows them "linked" to the new entity on the energy page

yea nothing about the statistics carry over

[primal laurel]

you can use the energy dashboard to check if they carried over, or a card that uses statistics

or maybe even the dev tools itself

[solar zealot]

if i change the new sensor id to be the old sensor id the statistics on the energy dashboard are linked as it seems
but changing the id back to what it should be just unlinks them and they do not show up under the new id

same for the dev tools, i see the old but as soon as i update the id to what it should be it just leaves again

or i am not using the correct way to change it?

[primal laurel]

are you on an old version of HA?

[solar zealot]

11.3ish

oh wait that is haos

2024.1.2 is the core

[primal laurel]

from step 7 you should be able to change it to whatever you like and statistics will carry over

you're saying that doesn't happen?

[solar zealot]

i may be looking at the wrong guide aswell
where is this hiding

[primal laurel]

here's mine: https://gist.github.com/langestefan/acbf7e42b15b302e9aacc08663039e57

[solar zealot]

nvmd found it, its on the gist not the ha docs page

thanks ^^

do i need to rename the entire device or just the sensor

[primal laurel]

just the sensor

you can also change the device but it doesnt affect anything

[solar zealot]

hm in this case yea 7 doesnt work for me

[tender forum]

This made me laugh way too much

[static schooner]

wait until it fails one day...

[tender forum]

Heat death...

[primal laurel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StZcUAPRRac

[primal laurel]

hmm just tested it, works fine for me

[clear ferry]

Reminds me of the customer doing backup of their San to the same San, and still had 3 generations of San in production, i still chuckle when I think about their systems crashing

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/richard-kruspe-rammstein-du-riechst-so-gut-gif-27502859

[queen steeple]

Is there any kind of 12 step program or automation annonomus I can join. I just wrote the automation for my kitchen light with a pir sensor. It ended up beein 109 lines of code so I think I might have a problem

[dusky plank]

post the 109 lines plz

[queen steeple]

Be warned - it's a horrible mess

[dusky plank]

just drop the txt file here, so you don't spam mobile readers and desktop readers

[queen steeple]

https://pastebin.com/yLc8phP4

[dusky plank]

that looks ok

[solar zealot]

weird, wonder what i could be doing wrong

[queen steeple]

It works, but I think I might have overdone it

[dusky plank]

automation experts are in #automations-archived

[queen steeple]

This was more a "i think maybe i need HA rehab" post than a I need help with the automation post. I seem to forget the mantra "just because I can do it, dosen't mean i should do it"

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/forgot-no-memories-lord-of-the-rings-lotr-gandalf-gif-13463504

any time I come back to a big program a year later

[dusky plank]

what is a big program?

sh ?

gta6.exe

[solar zealot]

found the issue stefan!

[primal laurel]

my current project is quite big for my standards

and yes that's what she said

[solar zealot]

i had to manually delete the statistics created by the new sensor

because surely the shelly added points of no usage the moment i plugged it in :)

[gleaming crater]

https://tenor.com/view/ralph-wiggum-simpsons-hi-bye-gif-16529059407582436389

[solar zealot]

now that this is fixed, my pool one decided to go negative

this never ends ;D

[gleaming crater]

Hmm, according to my opower integration I used -4700kWh of power today?

That totally sounds correct lol

[primal laurel]

something went wrong with the sensor reset

check the faq I linked above

[solar zealot]

yea it does that

luckily it showed up on the dev tools

[gleaming crater]

My friend finally showed me a popsocket that doesn't suck lol https://ohsnap.com/products/snap-4-luxe

[ocean oar]

Looks like it'd be quite uncomfortable to use

[gleaming crater]

It's all pretty smooth to the touch

[ocean oar]

Unless you had your hand at exactly 90 degrees to the phone, seems like there'd be thin metal pieces digging into the side of you finger

[solar zealot]

do people actually use such things?

[gleaming crater]

The fact that you can still charge thru it and it's a kickstand is most of the appeal for me

I know many people who claim they can't own a phone without a popsocket lol

But i don't get the mega phones either so I don't have a problem gripping a phone without one haha

[solar zealot]

people do it the wrong way

• acquire large hands
• acquire large phone

[ocean oar]

My current phone is a Sony, they're tall and skinny. No issues holding it

[gleaming crater]

I have the large hands covered lol, I can play a 13th on a piano

[solar zealot]

Stefan, do you by any chance also know how to migrate entity statistics for the influxdb

[red rock]

Just tag him

He's not tinkerer

He doesn't bite

@primal laurel

[primal laurel]

I don't think statistics are saved to influxdb. Only the state

[solar zealot]

right

the statistic is made of the states ^^

[primal laurel]

Yep

[frosty hamlet]

Hello, I assume smthng went wrong during the update. The web portal isnt starting anymore. I'm accessing home assistant via homeassistant.local. Anyone with the same problem? What should I do next? Any suggestions?

[umbral cliff]

This is off topic, you're better off getting support in #installation-archived

[frosty hamlet]

Thanks Cal

[prisma briar]

American dryers be like

[ocean oar]

Not American enough. Needs to be measured in some kind of bullshit unit like "tons", they seem to love that so much when it comes to heat transfer

[prisma briar]

I always converted tons to btus in my head

1 ton = 12000 btu

ton is kind of archaic

actual room thermal measurements aren't done in tons

[ocean oar]

BTUs are also archaic

[prisma briar]

Yea but better than measuring stuff in relation to literal tons of ice

baby steps

[umbral cliff]

That's in watts??? The heck???

[prisma briar]

yea, they get their own 30A 240V breakers here

[ocean oar]

https://www.homedepot.com/p/GE-7-2-cu-ft-Electric-Dryer-in-White-with-Wrinkle-Care-GTD42EASJWW/206355459
240V 22A (5.3kW)

[umbral cliff]

That's insane

[dusky plank]

Enjoying the tradition of using 5000 watts for hours

[prisma briar]

Literally just to blow it out a vent outside, too

Because it's too humid to pump inside

[umbral cliff]

Whilst here your average dryer will sit fine on a 240v 10a circuit (noting 240v is nominal voltage anyway, and a normal circuit is about 16a)

Granted we only use the dryer for towels to make them soft and fluffy lol

[prisma briar]

If I hung clothes outside they'd just freeze, I have no room to hang them inside

Nor do I really want all that water/humidity around

It does feel like a waste not having some sort of exchange to pull the heat out of the exhaust air though

[umbral cliff]

We just hang them inside. Perfectly fine
Helps we can open a window during winter and the worst is -6c lol

[ocean oar]

For when I have to dry things inside overnight I have an automation that switches the heat pump in the lounge from heating to cooling every 30 minutes.
Blow hot air on the clothes to evaporate the water, then switch to cooling to condense it and get rid of it outside.

[prisma briar]

It's only like -2c here right now but last night it got down to about -19c

[umbral cliff]

Does your heat pump/ aircon have a dry mode instead? Could take the humidity without the cold air

[blazing musk]

Eh that's only a few minutes.

[ocean oar]

The dry mode is basically cooling + high fan speed

[blazing musk]

heat pump dryer would be nice though

[prisma briar]

Yea, that's probably what mine will look like when done

[ocean oar]

It's a nice thought to use it, but basically doesn't do anything different

[prisma briar]

This is my first load since putting the vue on

Dry mode on my minisplit is just full blast A/C

I was hoping it'd cycle between dry and heat but nope

[umbral cliff]

That's annoying

[blazing musk]

too bad it can't run two coils, heat after cool

car defrost style

[ocean oar]

I do own a standalone dehumidifier too

[prisma briar]

If I could individually run cooling/heating circuits that'd be so convenient

[ocean oar]

I was quite impressed by how much water the minisplit can get rid of though. To the point where I was considering whether I could use a rainfall sensor to measure this:

[blazing musk]

6 months the dryer is only 1.52kWh a day average. My WFH computer uses more than that because it's running ALL THE TIME during work days (4.61kWh/day)

[umbral cliff]

Those bird noises made me think they were from outside in real life
I wasn't concentating on what I clicked on lol

[blazing musk]

Actually my Vue convinced me to make it sleep as much as I could

[prisma briar]

I had moss start growing under mine last summer

Winter killed it though

[umbral cliff]

500w per hour?
Or is all day literally 24hrs?

[glacial knot]

W/h o.0

[blazing musk]

it's ~200w at idle but it's running like 10 hours a day on weekdays

and compiling, gaming, etc do run it up

[glacial knot]

is that including screens? 🤔

[prisma briar]

My office is at 6.3kWh today but I also had my 3d printer running for like 9 hours

[blazing musk]

yes, and it's a little inaccurate, the PC is probably closer to 3.5-4, there's a mini fridge on the same circuit

[prisma briar]

Something in this room is taking like 150w and I can't identify what.

[blazing musk]

what sort of pattern? I had a mystery resistive heating item (spikes at regular intervals) that I realized was the snake heater

[prisma briar]

Just constant load of ~150w

Oh, wait, it's the PoE switch for my cameras and APs

nevermind

[finite atlas]

lol

[umbral cliff]

Snake o_O

[blazing musk]

haha that's how me figuring the snake heater was

oh he's just a regular old derp corn snake

[prisma briar]

I forgot that was on this circuit because I ran the power/ethernet cables for that switch through a hole in the wall to a protected box outside that actually houses the switch

[blazing musk]

this dork

[umbral cliff]

That's a snake alright

[dusky plank]

250w idle snake

[prisma briar]

One of the people I live with has some fishtanks in a woefully uninsulated room. Half the reason I got my Vue was so I could see exactly how much he draws so he could pay his fair share for it.

[umbral cliff]

Expensive snake

[glacial knot]

Can it do tricks?

[blazing musk]

Actually after I realized it, I noticed the power was mostly during the low thermostat setting

so it's cheaper than running central heat

[prisma briar]

This is ridiculous (top is his stupid fishtanks)

[blazing musk]

literally this is cheap

[prisma briar]

This is literally not cheap

I don't care if he pays for it but as it is I'm subsidizing heating these stupid fish

[umbral cliff]

Energy monitoring is how I discovered our housemate in 2020 had the heating cranked to 26c overnight
Ran constantly, 5.6kwh per day of just extra heating for no reason (since she could turn it down and it would've comfortably stayed at 22-23 anyway)
Then she forgot to turn them off in the morning too sometimes lol

[blazing musk]

it's a grow op

[prisma briar]

It's like 200 gallons of fishtanks in an uninsulated room in a high elevation Colorado winter

Because common sense eludes him

[umbral cliff]

Has he thought about getting a cheaper pet

Like a snake
Or a cat

[prisma briar]

I could probably import a tiger for what he's spent on those fish

[blazing musk]

has he considered just taping up fiberglass insulation? lol

[prisma briar]

I have some foil/foam/bubblewrap insulation I wanted to wrap around the sides of the tanks

[clear ferry]

Well well, I'll be learning JunOS

[prisma briar]

I also offered to literally buy the insulation for the room out there if what I have on hand already isn't enough

[glacial knot]

The cat could take care of the fish problem as well

[prisma briar]

He doesn't even have the tops of the tanks covered

And whenever I bring it up he gets all pissy about it. >.>

[blazing musk]

evap cooling

[umbral cliff]

Yeah @prisma briar you thought about getting a cat?
'oh whoops it went for a swim in a warm pool with free snacks'

[prisma briar]

He's going to be really pissy when I double his rent to cover the absurd amount of space and power he's using

Easily using 2x the space we agreed to too

[glacial knot]

again, cat

[umbral cliff]

Cats can reclaim space

[prisma briar]

They're also little balls of allergens

[glacial knot]

well, they will claim it. not for you, but still

[glacial knot]

sounds like a you problem

[prisma briar]

He's left the door on that room open a few times, I've secretly hoped he'd do that and a racoon would get in or something

But I'm not going to cause that/allow that to knowingly happen

I won't feel bad if he does it to himself though

[glacial knot]

D:

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-lilli-inspirational-quotes-gif-25672089

[glacial knot]

like those fish!

[clear ferry]

Also, living with people

https://tenor.com/view/tim-gunn-eww-gross-yuck-meme-disgusting-sticks-tongue-out-gif-25378754

[glacial knot]

don't you live with 3 other humans?

[prisma briar]

Normal people I get along with

[clear ferry]

One of the houses I'm currently looking at I could cover the entire house loan by renting two apartments in the house and still make money, and I really want the house, but fuck I hate people

[prisma briar]

but I've been telling him for like 18 months now his power usage and leaving the A/C set to 62 all the time was absurd and he needed to stop, I'm at the point of telling him he's going to be paying a fair rate for the space/power he uses or he's going to be finding a new place to live.

[clear ferry]

Yes, one female version of me and two semen demons, so they are kinda stuck

[glacial knot]

semen demon just sounds like socks that started growing mold 😂

[clear ferry]

No need to bring HAOS into this

[prisma briar]

Idiot would literally leave his A/C running at full blast in the middle of winter for days on end because his computer would warm up the room otherwise. Just open a damn window

[glacial knot]

it's spelled HOA, silly

[prisma briar]

/rant

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/oprah-hoe-gif-12387071

[glacial knot]

I run the heating in the morning, and AC in the afternoon on some days D:

[clear ferry]

My primary heat pump runs 24/7/365, my bedroom one runs all summer, my upstairs one runs most of winter

[prisma briar]

He'd run the A/C regardless of the weather outside because his room was insulated and would get hot when he sat there gaming all day

[blazing musk]

exposure does wonders

[prisma briar]

By A/C I specifically mean in cooling mode

[blazing musk]

you're supposed to suffer in a puddle of your own ball sweat

[prisma briar]

Or open a window and put a fan in, or open his bedroom door and let the hot air out

He'd literally leave the A/C running when it was below freezing out

[clear ferry]

I should open a window, it is pretty warm today, only -11c

[prisma briar]

Made the rest of the house impossible to heat evenly

[clear ferry]

Better than the -32c of Sunday, and -28 of Monday and -21 of Tuesday at least

[blazing musk]

I'll stick to my Seattle mild + rain

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/frasier-crane-logo-gif-23974037

[prisma briar]

The Frasier reboot was so bad

[clear ferry]

TBF, the original wasn't great either

[prisma briar]

Fair

I never saw the appeal of Cheers either

[clear ferry]

The only funny stuff was the dog

And the dad

[prisma briar]

Both are dead now

At least I presume the dog is

[clear ferry]

I don't kink shame

[prisma briar]

They should've CGI'd the dog back to life

[clear ferry]

Did they CGI fraisers face?

[prisma briar]

No, it takes place modern-day after a gap

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/agent-smith-the-matrix-path-of-neo-matrix-the-weekly-planet-gif-22996009

[prisma briar]

I watched less than an episode, everyone in the show needed a good slap

[dusky plank]

Mem: 326M Active, 6668M Inact, 566M Laundry, 1624M Wired, 860M Buf, 6615M Free
never seen 'Laundry'. is that new?

[clear ferry]

What

[blazing musk]

lol that reminds me that I couldn't get over the CGI in The Irishman not because the CGI was bad but that DeNiro walked like an old man no matter what

[clear ferry]

So, according to my wife, just like me since I was 16

[blazing musk]

MR ANDERSON

[prisma briar]

Full cycle for my dryer

[clear ferry]

Holy fuck

Your dryer uses 10x the power of mine

[blazing musk]

Must be a normal cycle. I run "casual" because so many things we have ask for low heat

[prisma briar]

I ran an auto-sense load with default settings

[blazing musk]

I missed earlier - is yours heat pump @clear ferry

[dusky plank]

ok laundry is a freebsd thingie

[prisma briar]

It used about 4.3kWh for a load

[clear ferry]

One full load cycle of mine

[prisma briar]

Probably around 1/4th the total power draw

But 3x as long

[clear ferry]

I need to check the exact model, i don't think this one is heat pump, my old one was

[blazing musk]

wow mine uses only 1.87/load

[clear ferry]

It's a bosch

[prisma briar]

Mine might be a bit higher because the garage it's in is only like 7C

It was nice having my garage heater set to 21c and getting in a warm car in the middle of winter but damn was that going to be expensive as far as power goes

[clear ferry]

Looks like it used 1.2kwh for a full cycle of extra dry with towels

[prisma briar]

So I lowered it to just keep the garage from heating which was the original purpose for it

[clear ferry]

My washroom is only 6c at the moment

[blazing musk]

we insulated our garage when we added on, even though there's currently no climate control in there

[prisma briar]

I did an auto sense load with towels and my bath robe in there

[blazing musk]

but our laundry is in a 3/4 bath

[prisma briar]

If I had just washed like a single change of clothes it would've probably used like 1/3 the power

[clear ferry]

What size is the American dryers? This is a big European one, at 9kg

[prisma briar]

Ours are measured in volume

[blazing musk]

I had an Asko for a while and it felt tiny. We have a Kenmore now (Asko dryer kept shredding belts) and it's much bigger.

[prisma briar]

Is that kg of water?

[clear ferry]

You... Dry belts?

[clear ferry]

Load

[blazing musk]

No, the belt that attached the drum to the motor

[clear ferry]

Oh

Lol

[blazing musk]

it did it a third time the day before our kids were delivered and our parents pitched in for a new set

[clear ferry]

I have never had a belt shred, and my last dryer was around 11 years old when I sold it, my in laws one is probably 30 years old

[prisma briar]

Looking through the manual for my washer all the max capacity instructions are based on volume, not weight

[blazing musk]

it probably needed new bearings or something but it was already a compromise - we were in the strange situation where we were trading houses with our landlord (purchased the house they were moving out of) and we took the rental's machines because they wanted their own.

[prisma briar]

7.4 ft^3 / .2 m^3

[clear ferry]

9kg apparently equals 122L

[blazing musk]

4.3 cubic feet

https://tenor.com/view/merica-bald-eagle-eagle-america-american-gif-2277187416326490184

[prisma briar]

7.4 cu ft = 210 liters

[blazing musk]

in freedom units

[clear ferry]

So, double size, 4x power usage

Sounds American alright

[prisma briar]

1/3 the time

(a 3 hour dry cycle sounds so annoying)

[clear ferry]

Also American, we just wait for stuff, same day delivery, bah humbug

Put it on, do something else

[prisma briar]

You've never done a load of laundry because you wanted a specific clothing item to wear?

[clear ferry]

I never wash anything less than a full load though, and I do.. probably 6-8 of them per week

[blazing musk]

lol until I started doing washer notifications I kept forgetting to rotate the laundry and having to re-wash

[clear ferry]

Never

[glacial knot]

y'all wait for your driers? o.0

[prisma briar]

Weird.

[clear ferry]

I have enough clothes to not wash for 2 months probably if I wanted

[glacial knot]

No. Weirdo

[prisma briar]

Ah, I have like maybe two weeks of clothes.

Never saw the point of keeping tons of clothes

I can wash all my clothes and towels in two loads, my bed sheets take another load.

[clear ferry]

Outside of underwear I probably haven't thrown out a piece of clothing in over 20 years

I still use thinkgeek shirts I ordered in 2003

[prisma briar]

I was 12 in 2003

[clear ferry]

I was 19

[prisma briar]

So I don't have any shirts from then

I do have at least one button down shirt I've had since highschool

I was probably going to trash it next time I go through my clothes, it's getting pretty tattered and worn.

[clear ferry]

The thinkgeek shirts have been ridiculously good quality

Can hardly see they are worn

And I wear them at least once a week

I do love the hacktoberfest shirts too

[blazing musk]

Any shirts I wear get holes after about 7-10 years shrug

[clear ferry]

Can't say I've ever had that problem, even with the Primark shirts

Shoes however, I go through two pairs per year usually

[blazing musk]

I try to repair the ones I care about but that only works so much

[prisma briar]

I'll replace buttons that get torn off of shirts but not much more

Mostly because I can't sew worth shit

Most people I know won't even do that, though, they'd just trash a shirt a button ripped off of

[blazing musk]

I'm thankful my mom had me take a sewing class at 7

[glacial knot]

I have a shirt around I need to re-attach the button on

[prisma briar]

My parents dropped the ball hard on teaching me life skills

[glacial knot]

but I also need to lose weight again to wear it. So I'm being lazy

[blazing musk]

:same:

[prisma briar]

My parents never went over finances, job hunting, cooking, sewing, basic carpentry, or anything. I've just always had an aptitude towards technical stuff so I've been able to figure most of it out to a functional degree.

Public school never touched on any of it either

[blazing musk]

ugh my google photo content search is doing awful right now

[glacial knot]

the trick to finances is to not be poor D:

[blazing musk]

I enjoyed home ec but I was too cocky and thought I knew more than I did :haha:

[glacial knot]

also job hunting o.0 Is there much to learn about that?

[blazing musk]

know people

[prisma briar]

Nobody ever told me things like wear a suit to interviews, lol.

[glacial knot]

oh yea, that helps.

[blazing musk]

I got my first real job because my mom (an elementary school teacher) was in a book group with a Boeing VP and her husband was in the C-suite of a company I was interested in.

[umbral cliff]

I only ever do hour long laundry cycles
For the occasional time we do towels

[glacial knot]

soo, nobody lied to you? 🤔

[blazing musk]

It was tech support, but at least at a recognizable company

[umbral cliff]

I was 5 in 2003 lol

[prisma briar]

Well, more wear appropriate attire and what that was than suits in specific

[blazing musk]

I've not had to really dress up for any of my interviews. Tech companies dgaf

[glacial knot]

I need to find some song to link for nepotism 😂

[umbral cliff]

I like wearing nice stuff for interviews
Gets me mentally in the zone

[blazing musk]

Business casual maybe

[glacial knot]

if you aren't going for a banker job, appropriate attire is a best guess either way 🤷
Just dress the way you would to a date

[prisma briar]

Yea, nobody ever went over that shit with me when I was a kid, lol.

[umbral cliff]

I wore a suit for the interview for my current job
And the current job dress code is just wear something (so t shirt and shorts is fine for example lol)

[prisma briar]

I definitely bombed the first couple interviews I did

[glacial knot]

when I visited HQ, I saw some people in dinosaur onesies

[blazing musk]

After I got laid off that job (after 7 years lol) I did learn the hard way I should interview at my first picks last not first

[prisma briar]

I'd argue day to day work attire and interview attire are different

[umbral cliff]

That's amazing

[glacial knot]

I wore a suit to my first job interview. But in reality it's just the safe fallback that's only safe because when it's wrong, people usually know you just wanted to be safe 😂

[prisma briar]

Especially if day to day work attire is a dinosaur onesie

[glacial knot]

yea, you should iron the tshirt for the interview^^

honestly though, depends on the industry and partially position in the industry

[blazing musk]

There were a bunch of people at my first job who didn't wear shoes most of the day. We'd get work emails about using caution in the kitchenette, somebody had broken glass...

[prisma briar]

That's kind of gross

[glacial knot]

yea, don't break glass D:

[prisma briar]

I'm just imagining how dirty my feet would be if I walked around my office all day barefoot

[glacial knot]

unless others have a habit of dragging in outside dirt with their shoes, not particularly

[prisma briar]

Especially in a communal kitchen

[blazing musk]

I did it once because I soaked my shoes riding my bike to work and didn't bring a backup pair

[glacial knot]

I should check if I'm technically violating any safety requirements when I walk around the lab in socks 🤔

[prisma briar]

Might be a slip regulation or something

[glacial knot]

yea. In the desk area it's even slightly too grippy due to the carpet

[blazing musk]

"new policy after we found toe jam in the samples"

[glacial knot]

but the lab is tiled or just concrete

well, our lab is industrial robots. So there'd have to be a lot of toe jam on there for it to be obvious

[prisma briar]

I was a general manager at a fast food joint for a few years when I got out of school, we had to either get our floors coated with an anti-slip coating or mandate anti-slip shoes for everyone.

[glacial knot]

similar robots, different tasks

[prisma briar]

Is that a robot in a puddle of blood?

[blazing musk]

yeah my wife did the same and anti-slip shoes were mandated because you never could get all the grease off the floor

[prisma briar]

We opted for the floor coating, but it had to be reapplied twice a year

[glacial knot]

the blood is hydraulic fluid iirc.
And yes, it's an art installation

[blazing musk]

https://www.newsweek.com/internet-feeling-sorry-robot-screaming-panic-installation-tiktok-1648626

[glacial knot]

or was. I assume they tore it down by now

[prisma briar]

And it made dried soap stick to the floor crazy hard, damn near had to take a power washer to get it off once it dried.

[clear ferry]

Never had any of that either, moved out at 16 and learned it all as i went along, and I flunked most classes in school except music and language

Started working at 9, worked all years since except one

[prisma briar]

I started working at 15, didn't move out until I was out of school at 20 though.

[clear ferry]

We get state funding to study outside our own town

That covered my rent and most of my food

[prisma briar]

I didn't flunk classes but I did the bare minimum to pass most of them

[clear ferry]

Work just added on top of that

[prisma briar]

I was living at home so I had no rent/food bills but I also had no income for things like gas to get to school, other than working

I did spend about a year selling minecraft mods around 2010

[glacial knot]

o.0 gas for school

[clear ferry]

LOL

[glacial knot]

y'all need some busses

[clear ferry]

We had busses, I still got a car the week I got a licence

[prisma briar]

My parents lived like 40 miles from the college I went to

[clear ferry]

Northern Norway is pretty rural for the most part

[prisma briar]

The bus was just not an option for me, lol. They didn't start running early enough for me to get to class on time

[clear ferry]

Really

Our busses start at around 5 usually

And go until 3

Ie, 2 hours they don't go

[prisma briar]

I think my earliest classes were 7:30 AM, a 5 AM bus would have made me late

[glacial knot]

how fucking slow are your busses? o.0

[clear ferry]

Interesting, school will never start before 08 here, usually 0830 or later

[blazing musk]

yeah our public transit is "good" by american standards and I still got stuck 15 miles from home because I missed the last bus at midnight-ish and they didn't start until 5 again

[prisma briar]

really really slow

They generally don't go over maybe 15 mph in traffic and in the mornings a bus will stop every other block to let people on/off.

And there aren't direct routes

[glacial knot]

y'all need some actual busses 😂

what the fuck?

[prisma briar]

So often you'll need to go to a depot and transfer to another bus at least once on a trip

[blazing musk]

all the people here bitching about the current transit levies... they could have had a billion dollars in subsidies in 1969 for it but NOOOO it got voted down

[prisma briar]

There's areas of the city I grew up in I'd have needed a half-dozen different busses to get to from where I lived

Also the closest bus stop to my house was around 2 miles away

[clear ferry]

40miles here by bus would usually be 1h including around 30-50 stops

[prisma briar]

If I could stay on one bus, sure, but I'd have to get off at a depot and wait for another bus

They generally ran twice an hour

The busier routes maybe more but I was in the suburbs

[clear ferry]

Twice?

Ours usually do 6-10 per hour

[prisma briar]

If I had that I'd go everywhere by bus

[clear ferry]

And there are multiple lines covering the same stretches

So in reality, probably 40 departures per hour for some

[prisma briar]

There might be some slight overlap between routes here but it was generally coincidental and only for a couple blocks, and basically completely random

[clear ferry]

I currently live in the middle of farmland, and even here the bus does 2-3 per hour, we are talking middle of nowhere though

The one past my parents house does every 10 minutes for the main line, but it has 3 other ones passing by

[blazing musk]

yeah I wish public transit here was frequent enough I didn't have to think about it

[clear ferry]

I have done public transport maybe 3 times the last 15 years, all were to pick up new cars

[prisma briar]

I found this map someone put together of all the 'frequent' (at least one every 15 minutes) bus and lightrail routes in Denver

There's 15, and one of them only drives back and forth between the ends of a strip mall that's past it's prime.

Once you get on that core network it's not bad but getting to it sucks

And another 4 of those 15 are all on the same road

It's a notably long road, but still just that one road

[clear ferry]

Since the US is so dependant on archeic technology like fax, landlines, desk phones etc

what is the postal service like ?

[prisma briar]

In my experience extremely reliable and cheap

[clear ferry]

5 years ago they figured out we don't get enough letters to justify daily delivery, so we moved to every other day, so 2 week 1 and 3 week 2, etc

and even then I only get maybe... 1-2 letters per month

[prisma briar]

I get delivery 6 days a week and our postal system will do Amazon packages on the seventh

Some deal Amazon made with the postal union

[blazing musk]

Still daily and reliable but certain interests are trying to gut it to privatize it

Also they're subsidized by junk mail

[prisma briar]

Yea, lots of spam mail

[clear ferry]

interesting, I'd figure you rely a lot more on letters for communication when you rely on all the other stuff

I just put a sticker on my mailbox 15 years ago, haven't gotten any advertising since

[prisma briar]

Not sure why you think faxes/landlines/desk phones are common over here

[clear ferry]

I work with a lot of US people, in a US company 😄

they all have desk phones, and faxes

and I've seen a lot of people in this channel discuss landlines and calling their dealers to fix stuff

[prisma briar]

My company moved away from desk phones years ago

[blazing musk]

none of those in tech but faxes are still things for "private" stuff like medical records

[clear ferry]

Yeah, I haven't had a desk phone since 2004, most companies haven't since the early 2010s

[prisma briar]

I think I have a VOIP number but I just use my cell phone so I don't have to keep a stupid voip app on my phone

[clear ferry]

they are just sent via the internet, dedicated health network

or to be fair, vpn based

[blazing musk]

yeah our "efficient" market has a number of competing solutions so none of them talk to each other

[clear ferry]

I did get a good chuckle when I saw the booth of people who "help you" with your taxes at walmart when I was in Atlanta

[prisma briar]

Our HR still has the ability to send/receive faxes, but it's all done from a workstation through a cloud fax provider and at this point is basically just a fancy way of removing the metadata from PDFs

[blazing musk]

we'd have automatic taxes if we didn't have Intuit, H&R Block, etc. lobbying to keep them complicated

[prisma briar]

Those are basically all a scam

If you actually need someone to prepare your taxes for you you don't go to a booth in a walmart, if you're a layman you can do your taxes yourself.

They're not hard

[blazing musk]

god, have you ever tried to use the free level of TurboTax though? So many traps for trying to push you into paying.

[prisma briar]

Yea

My state has offered free state-level e file since before I started filing my taxes though

[blazing musk]

We don't have state income tax because Gates, Bezos, et. al. like it that way and it was established in our constitution before they were a thing

[prisma briar]

Income taxes were introduced as a way for the government to continue to function after the passage of alcohol prohibition since beforehand the majority of the government's budget was from alcohol taxes

We should just go back to that

[blazing musk]

heh WA alcohol taxes are no joke

[prisma briar]

Legalize everything, tax it all

[clear ferry]

Our government does them for us, and we just have to agree or change what we feel needs changing

[blazing musk]

yep, and it could be that way here because the IRS already has all the info.

[clear ferry]

This one is hilarious

[blazing musk]

https://www.propublica.org/article/how-the-maker-of-turbotax-fought-free-simple-tax-filing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nn_Zln_4pA8

[prisma briar]

For most Americans filling out this form is all 'doing their taxes' entails

https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f1040.pdf

It's stupid and annoying but not really that much of a thing

Also state but for my state it's just 'fill in the value from this box on the federal form' for everything

[blazing musk]

Just a waste of time. Like arguing with health insurance over denials.

[prisma briar]

Pretty much

[clear ferry]

ho ho

health insurance

I'm not poking that nonsense

[prisma briar]

In my experience health insurance billing has been such a mess they were unable to justify or defend any of their bills

[blazing musk]

you don't need to. it should be shot into the sun wholesale

[prisma briar]

I literally got three different bills for three different amounts with the description 'Hospital stay' then the date of the stay

[clear ferry]

Remember I saw once an invoice for $1200 for one advil and walking into the ER

[prisma briar]

Insurance was supposed to have covered everything for mine, they waited years to come after me then came after me with that nonsense. I disputed it when it got reported to my credit and won

[clear ferry]

do you have to pay to have it or is yours included in your job ?

I've seen people pay more per month for it than I've paid in health expenses the last decade

[prisma briar]

Even employer-provided insurance is still paid, it's just generally a lot cheaper

I pay like $250/mo for insurance or something through my employer

[blazing musk]

And some employers pay fully; others you pay a share or it's paid for the employee and you pay a share for the dependents

[prisma briar]

Group insurance policies

[blazing musk]

I've had 2 employers that pay fully. The rest asked for $1-200/month

[clear ferry]

I'm capped at $200 a year for all medical expenses, I seldom hit that

[prisma briar]

Private health insurance costs also are paid before any income tax is taken out

I guess mine is only $180/mo

But I don't pay income tax on the money I earn to pay it

[blazing musk]

also co-pays. Mine went from $25 last year to $30 now. My "good" employers have had $10 co-pays.

[prisma briar]

My insurance is fine. If I had to buy my medicine without insurance it'd cost slightly more than I'm paying for insurance every month and insurance has a number of other perks, too.

Mostly because of stupid patents

[blazing musk]

then insurance coding for the same procedures can change how it's paid. I got dinged my deductible for a colonoscopy because it was billed as a "diagnostic" instead of "screening" and everybody, including the govt agencies that are supposed to handle that bullshit said "not us, talk to <other entity>"

"No Surprises Helpdesk" more like "No Help Helpdesk"

[glacial knot]

you'd be surprised if you actually receive help 😮

[clear ferry]

I've done a few of those conoloscopies

I'm not paying to get filled with gas

I do that for free and enjoy it

[glacial knot]

we all know you are a pervert 😉

[clear ferry]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

ero-sensei

[prisma briar]

On another note, I wonder if I can find a home assistant addon that adds a container with grafana/influxdb to log to

[glacial knot]

do you mean ero-manga sensei? 😂

[clear ferry]

what

log to?

[prisma briar]

Yea, HA can export to influxdb

https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/influxdb

[clear ferry]

yes

I have done that for years

but, it sounded like you wanted grafana \ influx to log to something else

[prisma briar]

No, I want HA to log to grafana and influx

[clear ferry]

or you could just run a sane install of HA and run those as containers

[prisma briar]

That's no fun

[clear ferry]

haos nonsense kids these days

I need to start making some good graylog dashboards soon

[blazing musk]

I don't have time to fiddle around so I run mine as add-ons

[clear ferry]

and get those into HA somehow, or just do tab rotation on my kitchen screen

[prisma briar]

Is there a grafana addon?

[blazing musk]

Yes

[prisma briar]

yay I can be lazy

[clear ferry]

I don't really call 3 minutes to run docker compose pull && docker compose up -d once every two weeks or so for fiddling

[blazing musk]

I have mine set up to log to Victoria Metrics

[prisma briar]

I have a nice friendly 'Install' button

[clear ferry]

but you have to have someone make the addon first, and then you are locked to whatever version that addon is running, and whatever config variables it has exposed

[blazing musk]

But yeah, all of my graphs are from Grafana add on

[clear ferry]

do add-ons still auto update ?

[prisma briar]

Judging by the pending addon updates I have no

[blazing musk]

They post update notifications, but you still have to manually acknowledge them

[clear ferry]

nagging

got it

better than people that run watchtower at least

[prisma briar]

There's an auto update slider

[prisma briar]

gah kill it

gross

[clear ferry]

Reminds me, need to setup cloudflare companion again

was nice to deploy a container and have it create dns entries automatically

[prisma briar]

I don't think I even have docker on my host

I do have a couple LXC containers with docker in them though

[clear ferry]

yuck lxc

[prisma briar]

I like it

[clear ferry]

I'm gonna call @glacial knot and say you said that

[blazing musk]

https://xkcd.com/1988/

xkcd: Containers

All services are microservices if you ignore most of their features.

[glacial knot]

I liked lxc back when docker wasn't a thing 😂

these days, docker is just easier
And podman can adopt most of that ease, with most of what lxc offers over docker

we did some fantastic things with lxc and xfs in the before days

wouldn't do it that way anymore these days

[clear ferry]

Not tried podman yet

[umbral cliff]

Oh that's neat. But that assumes you want a service public

[clear ferry]

well, I had another one that did it for opnsense too

[umbral cliff]

Wonder if there's a way to autocreate DNS entries into a windows DNS server

[clear ferry]

probably yes

also yuck windows dns

I primarily used cloudflare companion in my k8s lab, to autodeploy services with ipv6 exposing

with lbmetal

[umbral cliff]

I have windows AD
Windows DNS works well

Plus syncs across networks easily

[clear ferry]

[prisma briar]

Nothing like weird-ass primary-primary DNS configurations and back-channel zone transfers

🪟

[blazing musk]

"I'm down with Bill Gates, I call him 'Money' for short"

[clear ferry]

I remember I was troubleshooting why a customer had issues deploying software to his computers a few years ago

appears someone had disabled dns timeout in their windows dns

[umbral cliff]

I just do basic DNS stuff there lol
Fuck anything more advanced with windows AD

[clear ferry]

so every entry still existed

with 42 different hostnames per ip

[umbral cliff]

That's just funny

[blazing musk]

https://tenor.com/view/deep-thought-thinking-loading-buffering-gif-16392522

[prisma briar]

nice

[forest edge]

this just cracks me up

https://youtu.be/ST3WUyx4Scg?si=-ePqmGJF5syW9n7T

[solar zealot]

Pretty sad that it isn't Tuya compatible

[forest edge]

if you just listen to it without watching it you could almost be confused thinking they were refering to some new gun

[umbral cliff]

AI Powered alignment
Aka 2 infrared bulbs checking for bounceback against the strike plate

[forest edge]

over engineered and dumb

and probably in all the wrong places.

[umbral cliff]

Wonder if a magnet will force it open

[forest edge]

it's only a matter of time before you start hearing about home thefts due to "smart locks" like how you did with all those kia thefts

[umbral cliff]

I would say less chance of that vs the Kia thefts
Kia was just not including a simple thing required, an immobiliser (which is required in certain countries)

[forest edge]

locks should not be complex and allow multiple means of opening them

that thing had nfc, keypad, bio lock, used wifi and othe protocols

all it takes it finding a weakness with something that, that company itself didn't even invent just to open it

[umbral cliff]

Which is different to Kia which just didn't have an immobiliser

[glacial knot]

wait, what? Was that the actual issue? Is that why it hasn't been an issue at all here? 😂

[forest edge]

auto thefts still happen, that was just a more of drop the ball situation which got alot of PR

[umbral cliff]

Pretty sure I read that was the issue
And at least in Australia immobilisers were required from 2001 lol

[glacial knot]

1998 in Germany 😮

[umbral cliff]

That's why a USB could make it start. You bypass the key part, and just turn the ignition dial

Normal countries it's bad that you can do that
But at least you can't start it with a USB

[umbral cliff]

3 years isn't a crazy difference

[glacial knot]

Jup. About the time it needs to flow through bureaucracy

[umbral cliff]

Plus doesn't mean manufacturers weren't including them before that date either

[glacial knot]

Apparently a German insurance company pushed hard for it, the moment they saw them on the market

[forest edge]

all in all further proof that the more complex you make something the more vulnerable it is

[umbral cliff]

Huh

The Kia issue shows that when you ignore important security features they make it more vulnerable

[glacial knot]

Nonces just make security more complex. Let's drop them 😮

@clear ferry what do you think? Nonce or not?

[clear ferry]

you mean vendor specific names for the same shit ?

[glacial knot]

???

[clear ferry]

define: nonce

[glacial knot]

Number used once. The common definition in security

[clear ferry]

oh, when I hear nonce I think of the definition used once, as in cisco VPC vs IEEE MLAG

[forest edge]

it's not just the kia thing. that was just what went all super viral

cars with push button starts also get a lot of thefts

[umbral cliff]

And was a simply fixed issue, it didn't go viral overseas because laws existed

[forest edge]

the more complex a vehicle it with eletronics and means of starting it the faster someone can steal it

they were clocking people stealing shit in like seconds.. not minutes

[glacial knot]

The Kia case is the opposite of what you claim 😂

[umbral cliff]

Push button starts are using advanced repeaters, just don't keep keys close to the car (which is good advice as people are more likely to break in and steal the key anyway)

Older cars are more vulnerable, and car theft has been trending down over time. Especially with things like immobilisers, or being unable to hot wire a car, alarms, etc

[forest edge]

granted there has been improvements over the old "hot wire" but we went right over the happy medium and onto the next easy thing imo

[umbral cliff]

The only easy thing you've properly mentioned is the kia incident

Which most countries have moved well past that being an issue

[forest edge]

as i said, it's not just the kia thing

all push button vehicles are noted as being easier than other types

[umbral cliff]

which is only because of repeaters existing
You just don't put your keys right by the door, or close to where the car is being kept overnight

Just like you wouldn't put your car keys in the garage next to the car with older cars

[forest edge]

if someone has any kind of remote capabilites to start thier vehicle rather via fob or online, breaking the window in some vehicles allows someone to drive the thing away without tripping the auto shut off

this is just scratching the surface of what is leaking of how people are stealing vehicles.. the FBI here done announced there are tons of ways for people to steal vehicles these days where it only takes the person, in public view a few seconds to get in and drive away

[umbral cliff]

If you have an app, then sure you could have people steal your password, more reason to use mfa there

[umbral cliff]

Repeaters are the big one, again just don't have your keys close to where the car is if you're afraid of that

[clear ferry]

I wish my Volvo could do FOB remote start, apparently that is legal in the US, but not in europe due to security

[forest edge]

like your solution to something that shouldn't and wasn't even a problem before lol

[umbral cliff]

Most crimes will go after what cars are easy though, a car from the 90s vs a car from 2023, thief will take the 90s car since its easier

[umbral cliff]

Judging from ATX, seems like its a problem in the US but not europe lol

[forest edge]

car thefts are not confined to the US

just diffrent means

[umbral cliff]

Correct
Other countries take efforts to protect people

Like requiring an immobiliser

Which is mandatory in the eu and australia for example

Though i'm sure you will say an immobiliser is useless

[forest edge]

quick search pulls up that NZ is the highest vehicle theft country in the world.. pretty close to you lol

[umbral cliff]

Ok? NZ isn't australia though

[forest edge]

just ironic cause you tried to make it a US only thing yet it's your neighbor that leads the pack lol

[umbral cliff]

I'm not making it a US only thing
I was mentioning one of the things that stops car thefts, is required in some countries but not others, I only knew aus and USA off the top of my head

Just like remote start, no clue the legality of it in australia, but its obviously legal in the us and not in europe

[forest edge]

my overall point still stanbds. the more they make sure like vehicles and home locks more complex, the easier it will be at some point for someone to take advantage of

https://youtu.be/c4WJsp16CpY?si=eIaZ7LDs2CjGEwDZ

[umbral cliff]

Or they make it more complex and it helps prevent thefts, like immobilisers

You can't disagree that made car ignition systems more complicated. Yet it also made things more secure

[forest edge]

I had said they had made improvements but instead of stopping when it worked they just kept going

[young sigil]

Look up the meaning of nonce in the UK.

[glacial knot]

noggin used once

if even

[primal laurel]

For me it was a 5 min bike to station, take train, 5 min walk to college

Now I just bike to uni because it's so close

[night siren]

Is ti being raided right now?

[clear ferry]

Texas instruments?

[clever mortar]

I'm still wondering what has made you leap to that conclusion

[clear ferry]

Twitter probably

[clever mortar]

I got an alert that servers might be melting down somewhere
I mean, I can totally see how that vague statement links to a raid

[night siren]

I live in north Texas and someone bombed Fort Worth yesterday or last week

[clear ferry]

Bombed

[night siren]

when people have crypto issues I have alerts that sugar metabolism changes

it’s the coral honeysuckle

[clever mortar]

It's the what what?

[night siren]

Probably some story from long ago

like someone who’s expecting someone to trade for them and notices there was no trade and they get angry for a while and is like “someone forgot to make my trades of the day”

But it’s really they are using something like maxmsp and machine learning together to trade crypto

Or do 3d rendering in the same way where or some way to easy send too much stuff to a gpu or cpu and it over heats server rooms

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/theoffice-michael-scott-gif-18122359

[forest edge]

4k tv's are kind of tedious.. least android variants of them

every damn resolution has it's own settings you have to adjust

[pure kelp]

heya

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/hey-ya-andre3000-guitar-smile-gif-15013692

[primal laurel]

dutch kid sees ice: https://www.dumpert.nl/?selectedId=100081848_eaab2d70

[forest edge]

non english sites are against the rules. remove it immediately

[finite atlas]

its english if you use a translator

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/hey-shut-up-toby-gif-27326408

[clear ferry]

Is it English, or simplified English?

I.e do they say colour or color

[blazing musk]

Somebody tried to steal our rarely-used Suburban which doesn't have an immobilizer but does have a hall-effect sensor to determine if the ignition cylinder was actually rotated.

They broke the sensor completely off in their effort 🙃

[gleaming crater]

I live in a town that’s suing Kia for making such steal-able cars lol it’s rampant here

I do find it funny I’m like the only person on my street that actually parks inside their garage

[blazing musk]

Why park your car in it when you can store more s*** in it?

[gleaming crater]

I love not scraping my windows

[blazing musk]

(we park in our garage but there's no space for the Suburban)

[gleaming crater]

My wife’s X3 barrrrrely fits lol

I had to hang a tennis ball to help park in the right place

[blazing musk]

We did the laser

[gleaming crater]

When I moved in there was one opener and 2 doors, the guy installing modern openers was like “that one you have? We call it the childkiller because it predates those safety standards”

[gleaming crater]

I thought about doing something less low tech so it worked in either direction

She has to get out to check her bumper when she backs in

[blazing musk]

We don't bother backing. The laser is basically just a tennis ball, point it at a reference on your vehicle. It's filtered through a diffuser to make a line

[static schooner]

I put a low-tech piece of blue painter's tape on the garage floor where the inside edge of the door lands. As long as I can see it in the backup camera, I'm good

I closed the garage door on my rear bumper before I discovered the magic of the tape 🙂

[blazing musk]

Got reminded by somebody else's chat of this bug I saw in the wild

'0'+x

[gleaming crater]

Wut

[clear ferry]

ku coins inserted

Japanese hack number 5

[glacial knot]

Is that く or just crappy <?

[clear ferry]

[blazing musk]

Crappy <

[static schooner]

Cat? What cat? I don't see any cat...

[blazing musk]

I see leftover fluff. Spontaneous catbustion

[static schooner]

She loves to crawl under there and go to sleep

[blazing musk]

I picked up our cat this morning and he farted in my face

[static schooner]

That's how you know he loves you

[clear ferry]

just get him some ass jewlery

can filter it somewhat

[clear ferry]

exactly

[toxic oasis]

Is that a thing ?

[clear ferry]

yes

[toxic oasis]

Ohhh

[marsh trail]

oh that's pretty cursed lmao

[last cedar]

Don't you hate it when you accidentally buy a tracksaw?

[blazing musk]

that's not a bad price. 3456 makes it look like an error

[last cedar]

I have been watching for a while, expecting them to cancel the order 🤣

[solar zealot]

Nice buy

Especially with the box

[gleaming crater]

Box box?

[orchid rose]

Tyres are gone?

I only see three after all

[prisma briar]

Looked at an instant hot water heater, it wants three 40A 240V circuits

Or 80% of my whole home's service, lol

[glacial knot]

if it's instant, just put a couple super caps right in front

shouldn't pull the power for long

[prisma briar]

I imagine it pulls that as long as hot water is being drawn

A natural gas one might work for me

but idk how to work with gas D:

[glacial knot]

ventilate. that's about all there's to know about gas^^

[prisma briar]

Yea, my existing hot water heater has ventilation, I imagine that'd work for an on demand one too

[glacial knot]

though, while I haven't looked myself. My parents recently looked at kitchen stuff
And apparently the current cool tech is essentially a reservoir close to the faucet that's very well isolated

so you can draw 10l or so, which is generally good enough

[gleaming crater]

Just be like Brazil and have those shower heads that hook straight to mains power

[ocean oar]

The beauty of on-demand gas hot water is you can just put them outside. No need for a flue

[gleaming crater]

My house will never get a gas hookup :/

It woulda been like 50k/house to extend it before the city said no new hookups

[ocean oar]

Mine either, likely. NZ is on the path to phasing out residential gas (by cranking up the daily and per-kWh charges to discourage new installs), in favour of heat pump hot water and induction cooking

[gleaming crater]

Yeah my city has rebates on all that new kinda equipment

I could get $500 off a heat pump water heater here

[ocean oar]

Cost of installs here can be pretty grim here too. My next door neighbours just discovered their gas main was leaking, were quoted $8k for the replacement gas line, or $12k for heat pump hot water.

With the dramatically lower cost of operation seems like a no-brainer, probably break even on that in 4-5 years.

[gleaming crater]

The water heater tho seems like a bit of a lie

It’s cooling your house and your furnace is working to heat it back up

Unless it’s in an isolated area