bloody stupid Telekom
#the-water-cooler
glacial knot
clear ferry
Sweden has had 10g\10g fiber for at least 10 years, I can get it since 2019
gleaming crater
Hawt
clear ferry
I've also had FTTH since 2004 though @gleaming crater
prisma briar
Ignore where that says verizon, it's comcast. idk why it bugs out like that.
gleaming crater
I feel like DOCSIS is always overpriced vs fiber
prisma briar
FTTH is at the stage where it's available but you need to pay for your own install still because they're not doing it standard
It was going to be a couple thousand to have it ran for me and I can't justify that
gleaming crater
When I got my fiber, they installed for free, gave equipment for free and then sent me a 250$ visa card rebate??
And they gave a hotspot with 10g sfp+ and wifi6 I was kinda impressed, and still put it in a box lol
prisma briar
I suspect Fiber will be standard within 10 years here and I can get mine upgraded for free
That generally comes after the 'You can get it but for a couple thousand' stage
prisma briar
I have a 2.5Gbps router/modem from Comcast with all the router features disabled
It was like $30 cheaper a month than using my own because they don't charge for unlimited internet with their modems
gleaming crater
Oh yeah it was the same way at my company office, comcast was only choice
clear ferry
that is also an interesting american concept, paying monthly for gear
gleaming crater
And to get their hardware was $125/mo and to use my hardware was 250/mo
I was like wtf?!?!?!
gleaming crater
They are hoping you're too dumb to disable the free xfinity wifi hotspots on the gear
prisma briar
It's a scam. It used to be like $7/mo to rent or free to use your own, now it's $25/mo to rent but it comes with unlimited internet where you have to pay $30/mo for unlimited internet for your own modem, and they halve the upload speeds with owned modems.
gleaming crater
It's because they have their cell service that wants to use their wifi over MVNO cell data
clear ferry
Wait, unlimited internet, you don't have that included ?
clear ferry
jesus christ, uganda in the 80s
gleaming crater
Lmao
prisma briar
Yea, but they're also not the only ones doing tiers
gleaming crater
Thankfully I'm in a huge city where we have real internet competition but that's rare for lots of people
prisma briar
Comcast's normal data tier caps out at 1.5TB and every additional 50GB is $10 or something, or for like $30 you can just get unlimited internet.
Just greedy assholes being greedy assholes
clear ferry
we just have rules that anyone who delivers a service have to let others use their lines if they pay for it, so competition is pretty free
gleaming crater
caps are insane too
They throttle you at the end of the month
Well on the shit cell plans
prisma briar
Comcast doesn't throttle, they'll just bill for overages
gleaming crater
Yeah my son got me murdered on one bill with steam downloads
prisma briar
But on a 2.5Gbps down plan I can max out 1.5TB/mo pretty damn quickly
gleaming crater
watch enough 4k netflix too
loud crypt
im back...had to run a few errands...ok...so the DNS for my shtty ISP router is in the LAN settings but not sure how to apply this for the adguard for HA
glacial knot
1.5TB/mo? that's nothing o.0
gleaming crater
Exactly lol
The worst part is they didn't charge for data to their on demand services for cable subscribers
gleaming crater
I'm pretty sure the caps are market specific too for comcast
If they're in an area with heavy competition they don't always exist
Cuz I sure don't have caps on my fiber plan lol
gleaming crater
I mean the southpark episode about comcast was basically a documentary lol
Lol anyways eventually enough towns will build fiber
clear ferry
Even Comcastville, Ohio ?
gleaming crater
The worst was when comcast would get contracts with apartment complexes to be the only provider
Some even went so far as to require you to have cable and include it in the rent!!!
prisma briar
Every apartment I lived in offered Comcast or CenturyLink DSL
gleaming crater
I think they outlawed that kinda lock-in at some point in my state
clear ferry
DSL ? that's a blast from the past
gleaming crater
That was my first "high speed" internet, 768k dsl lol
I ran a linux server and sold shell accounts on slashdot for $5/mo so people could run IRC bots
clear ferry
I had DOCSIS 768 in 98, 1M ADSL in 2000, 10\10 Fiber in 2004, 350\350 Fiber in 2014, 1000\1000 Fiber in 2019
I've probably forgotten some of them
prisma briar
We got docsis in like 2002, still on it
It's gone up from the 6Mbps we had when we first got docsis though
gleaming crater
They're up to what, 4.0 spec now?
clear ferry
docsis came around 98, and I haven't seen it being installed since probably 2007
and now that all copper is dead country wide
prisma briar
I beleve new installs here are fiber but there's a stupid amount of copper in place already
gleaming crater
I pulled a mile off the side of my house when I bought it
The old owners had cable tv in every room of the house
Multiple drops in the common rooms
I waa like damn yall
clear ferry
The US probably loves MOXA still then
prisma briar
My house had coax to each room but it was the wrong gauge and could only carry like 80 SD channels and wouldn't do data at all
gleaming crater
Oh yeah the early stuff capped out at some low frequency range compared to the later specs
prisma briar
And they didn't start installing the new stuff until like 2000 around here
clear ferry
They stopped fixing copper links around 2017 here, if your copper breaks they tell you to order fiber
gleaming crater
Ha
clear ferry
same with landlines, if it broke after 2011 they told you to order voip
gleaming crater
They did the same thing in my town, but with natural gas. No new hookups.
prisma briar
I'd like to move to using nat gas exclusively for a generator
gleaming crater
I've got a hillside in the back I could turn into a solar farm
prisma briar
I just hate how loud and bulky and obnoxious gas appliances are
clear ferry
anyone who has NG here is an artisan chef with a tank in their kitchen 😄
clear ferry
I've seen three gas stoves in my life
solar zealot
yes i love it
clear ferry
I love induction
prisma briar
I lived in a place with a gas stove for like two years, kind of hated it
gleaming crater
It's a different technique for sure
You really do gotta use smaller burners for some use cases
prisma briar
Yea, gas is way harder to control temperature on'
solar zealot
you can easily melt your pots and pans
gleaming crater
They're great if you have all cast iron
solar zealot
fun stuff
gleaming crater
But inductive is where it's at anymore
prisma briar
I just have an electric heater hot top
solar zealot
did they manage to find a different way than regulating the heat over time with the more recent gear?
gleaming crater
Inductive?
solar zealot
yes
gleaming crater
It's all in how fast you cycle the pan = exact temp
If your pans are shite they'll heat unevenly
solar zealot
i remember it to be basically "on on full power then off for some time" to equalize to some heat/power level
but that could have been exclusive to cheap gear
gleaming crater
That's really on brand on how they decide to cycle the burner
All electronics at that point
solar zealot
so i suppose it aint common at least anymore like that
gleaming crater
They're not all made the same for sure
Cheap inductive stoves are unable to power all the burners at once
Using the 'big burner' at full blast steals power from the adjacent ones
glacial knot
we had one that wasn't cheap but could only run 2 of 4 tops at full blast
Though that was due to power limits it could safely pull from 3phase 230V
orchid rose
That sounds a lot like what audio receivers tend to do with their advertising. My current one has like 7*150W of power but a 350W power supply or something like that lul
gleaming crater
I mean yeah that kinda makes sense for peak channel volumes
orchid rose
no no that's actual RMS so continual power
gleaming crater
If they're all at peak volume that's a jet taking off lol
output I mean but yeah
It's just the individual channel headroom but yeah they didn't actually have the juice to do that to all 7 at once
orchid rose
Not even close which is just funny to me. Especially since under normal loads they use like 50W max
gleaming crater
I mean realistically most of the load is going to the front pair?
orchid rose
I've never actually looked but that's probably right
gleaming crater
Those are my two biggest speakers for my setup anyways lol, the sub is powered on it's own
Tho I have mine bi-amp wired even
orchid rose
I never bothered with that even though I only have a 5.1 system so I could do that. From what I remember there haven't been any ABX tests that would show that it helps
gleaming crater
I mean if the speakers actually support it so that you're sending to only half the output, you do get an effective doubling of wattage
I'll have to find the page I found that went into depth on it
orchid rose
Sure if you need the extra wattage
gleaming crater
orchid rose
But most of the time it's advertised as being higher quality sound since the amp doesn't need to do the whole bandwidth
gleaming crater
I think mine actually can use it lol
These do get mindmeltingly loud too and still sound clear
And the reason I can never live in an apartment
orchid rose
Yeah there's a few ways to do it. Bi-wiring is just a gimmick for the most part
gleaming crater
Agree
I'm sure the difference is minor lol
Here's a page claiming there is a detectable difference even in bi-wiring lol https://www.qacoustics.co.uk/blog/2016/06/08/bi-wiring-speakers-exploration-benefits/
orchid rose
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gleaming crater
Yeah they're like "just buy twice as many cables bruh"
Even if your amp doesn't have extra channels for it!
clear ferry
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gleaming crater
Atxbyea and the philosopher's cable?
clear ferry
If only
I still remember buying a 10m Monster svideo cable years ago, the list price in the store was $150, I got it for price in, which was $15
gleaming crater
As long as it's A) solid copper B) adequate gauge
clear ferry
That's what she said
clear ferry
I remember meeting a guy once who cut his speaker cables with a tape measure
Meanwhile i had a broken microphone and wired a 70s hifi speaker to the mic input and yelled into my crotch
The point of diminishing returns is pretty low in audio, unless you have very unique ears
gleaming crater
I remember meeting a guy once who cut his speaker cables with a tape measure
Wouldn’t want a .00000000001s delay on the one channel!
clear ferry
Exactly
red rock
In the netherlands we have a tech website with a forum, and there is a thread called something like, audio cables smithed by elfes during moonlight
gleaming crater
Our brains already have natural compensation for delay between the two ears
orchid rose
my favorite aside of the digital cables are the risers that keep them off the floor
gleaming crater
.............
gleaming crater
Wut
gleaming crater
That's some 'thar be dragons' level crazy
orchid rose
gleaming crater
wouldn't want the floor thetans to get into your cables
orchid rose
I mean tbf they could help with robot vacuums
gleaming crater
who runs cables like that tho?
red rock
hahahah fr
gleaming crater
Just thru the middle of the damn room
red rock
it looks more like a model monorail
gleaming crater
Set to 'trip yo ass height'
orchid rose
Sir, there's electromagnetic interference from the wiring inside your walls
clear ferry
Holy shit
orchid rose
optimal placement is the middle of the room
clear ferry
People are idiots
gleaming crater
Lollll
People have been removing 50/60hz noise out of signal for like ever
You can't make an ecg without that filter lol
gleaming crater
https://finleyaudio.com/?product=cable-riser
static schooner
$95 for wooden blocks?
Lawsuits and insurance are expensive
gleaming crater
Ahahahah
clear ferry
Buzzword bingo
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iron granite
https://finleyaudio.com/?product=cable-riser
The French had someting similar. They called it Guillotine.
red rock
lmao
gleaming crater
When they have superconductor audio cables some day you know the snobs will tell you anything else but cryogenically cooled speaker cables are for saps
clear ferry
Ngl, there is a difference between wired and Bluetooth headsets
blazing musk
Not really a fan of LTT but this was funny https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMAu_mCxoII
clear ferry
But beyond that for 90% of the population, just no
blazing musk
also get reminded of this ancient history https://gizmodo.com/james-randi-offers-1-million-if-audiophiles-can-prove-305549
orchid rose
Ngl, there is a difference between wired and Bluetooth headsets
At least that's possible in theory since BT is lossy, but I really really doubt that most people could tell the difference. It's pretty hard to build a ABX test around this I guess. I suppose you could have the BT connection outside of the system so it would work as a double blind
clear ferry
I can tell the difference between BT and wired on close to equal headsets, but it is not so much that I will stop using bluetooth
orchid rose
You say so but I doubt that you could in a test environment. Our brains can't be trusted as shown by numerous studies around similar claims
LDAC goes up to 990kbps which is 3x of what mp3 could do
CD quality is 1400kbps
gleaming crater
I have the Shure Aonic headphones with every BT codec supported and a USB dac, it's still got a noticable difference to me when pluggged in
Most of the codecs cheat at the edges of human hearing
primal laurel
Modern Bluetooth headphones use all kinds of signal processing tricks to compensate any quality loss
It's impossible to tell the difference
orchid rose
I haven't followed these for years now, but these kinds of differences should be easily provable in a scientific study if they exist. Somehow even when there are incentives like in the case of what Deltigre linked, they never are though
gleaming crater
I think that's mostly true until it's something you've heard a ton of times and know every bit of
But that just means you know what it sounds like on the gear you have lol
Like the only time I could probably tell the difference is on an album I've listened to at least a hundred times
orchid rose
All I'm saying that would be pretty easy to prove and to this day I haven't seen any proof of people being able to tell the difference
primal laurel
Your age is also very important. And just general hearing capability
gleaming crater
Oh sure, most of the difference is at the edges to me which everyone loses over time
orchid rose
Unless these are something you listen to often doesn't take into account what you brought up snubber, but it's still an interesting test to try
gleaming crater
I'll have to hook my laptop up to the proper audio for that test haha
I don't normally play off my machine
orchid rose
There are slight issues with a test like this though since the loading times etc can affect the results
His point about the actual mixers being boomers with bad hearing is a valid point as well. Also the equipment they use isn't always top-notch by "audiophile" standards either
and don't get me started about room acoustics and how much more of a difference they make than anything on the signal path before that. My concrete rooms have 20dB swings in the frequency response lol
solar zealot
<insert joke about todays music quality here>
gleaming crater
gleaming crater
and don't get me started about room acoustics and how much more of a difference ...
Yeah an acoustically perfect room isn't very enjoyable for other things haha
orchid rose
Optimally I guess you'd be sitting outside and it's currently -30C so yeah not very enjoyable 
orchid rose
Oh this looks interesting. My first thought was that normalization would have fixed these issues, but it seems as if it might have just have changed the rules?
gleaming crater
dynamic range headroom is kinda a big deal too
affects some generes more than others
prisma briar
It's impossible to tell the difference
... Bluetooth can be easily distinguished.
Especially when it decides to renegotiate the bitrate mid stream
I say this as someone who recently went down the rabbit hole of weird Bluetooth protocols and transmitters/receivers, nothing I found was on par with a simple USB DAC
primal laurel
... Bluetooth can be easily distinguished.
not with modern codecs and signal processing
prisma briar
High pitched chimes showed it clearest, they were noise on bluetooth but you could hear significantly more detail on a wired DAC.
prisma briar
not with modern codecs and signal processing
Yea it can, easily.
Maybe not when those codecs are operating at 100% bandwidth but that doesn't happen real world
primal laurel
are you one of those crazy audiophiles lol?
prisma briar
No, but Bose is a well known scam
Anyways, if you want to hear BT's deficiencies clearest I found high pitched chimes were the best thing to listen for.
BT would muddy them, they were clear on a normal DAC.
primal laurel
No, but Bose is a well known scam
prisma briar
Keep drinking their kool-aid, lol.
primal laurel
Anyways, if you want to hear BT's deficiencies clearest I found high pitched chi...
luckily music isn't high pitched chimes!
prisma briar
Sometimes it is
Your goalposts seem to be shifting from 'You can't hear a difference' to 'I don't care about the difference' here.
orchid rose
I'm just curious, are there any studies that confirm this?
primal laurel
Your goalposts seem to be shifting from 'You can't hear a difference' to 'I don...
no, I'm saying in real life conditions you can't hear the difference
which is essentially all that matters
I don't care about the frequency response
prisma briar
Not sure, that's just my experience with multiple BT receivers
idk about you but I have a quiet office to listen to music in, 'real life conditions' for me are generally damn near silent.
orchid rose
So that's another no then to a very long list of noes in the past
prisma briar
My neighbor put a rock tumbler in his garage and I can hear it from my office level of quiet
primal laurel
I mean music, games, movies. Not high pitched chimes
prisma briar
So that's another no then to a very long list of noes in the past
Go find a study saying they're the same
All I've ever seen is manufacturer hype
orchid rose
Go find a study saying they're the same
That's not how science works
prisma briar
What? This hypothesis can be falsified either way, either side can be proven true.
orchid rose
I cannot prove a negative
prisma briar
Your idea of science seems to be as absurd as your claims you can't tell a lossy vbr codec from a lossless one.
A study could easily prove either way
A double blind study, a frequency response study, there's probably others
So go away with your 'You have to provide proof, I'm special so I don't" attitude
orchid rose
I admit that I'm a bit triggered by this subject
prisma briar
You seem to have a strong opinion with little foundation.
primal laurel
You seem to have a strong opinion with little foundation.
so do you?
prisma briar
so do you?
Except for the fact I literally bought the equipment to try it myself.
orchid rose
But that's the problem, my position doesn't need a foundation. I'm just questioning the silly sciency behind the claim
prisma briar
I'm not just running my mouth because I think all audiophile equiment is snake oil
orchid rose
If you want to make the claim that there is a difference, then prove it
prisma briar
I don't care if you believe me, if you want to make the claim there's not a difference then prove it.
I suspect you don't care if I believe you either, so this is all moot.
orchid rose
You are literally asking me to prove a negative
prisma briar
No, I'm not.
There's nothing about this that is not falsifiable.
We went over this
primal laurel
exactly which BT codecs did you try?
orchid rose
Maybe there's a misunderstanding somewhere
prisma briar
apt-x adaptive, hd, ldac, and the default sbc. All modern codecs and the best that most devices on the market such as cell phones can do.
primal laurel
you're obviously biased, so I expect you did a blind test?
prisma briar
Oh fuck off
You guys have no clue what you're talking about and are trying to disprove someone who has experimented with this technology with the grand argument of "I don't believe you, prove it"
red rock
Hey @primal laurel I saw you at tweakers
iron granite
primal laurel
You guys have no clue what you're talking about and are trying to disprove someo...
my argument is based on the articles I read about it, and my own experience with my bose headset switching between aux/bt. I conclude there is probably some difference, but it's so marginal it's irrelevant
prisma briar
Go get a real headset
primal laurel
such as?
orchid rose
You guys have no clue what you're talking about and are trying to disprove someo...
Isn't that all science? If you're making an absurd claim, at least make a credible case for it. And here I just don't see one. I've seen tons of ABX testing where the subjects have not been able to identify the source even when they claim to
prisma briar
Isn't that all science? If you're making an absurd claim, at least make a credib...
I've seen tons of ABX testing where the subjects have not been able to identify the source even when they claim to
Surely you would have brought that up earlier instead of insisting there was no proof against it
You just kept insisting it wasn't falsifiable
orchid rose
Again, I'm not the one making the claim
prisma briar
You are making a claim, though. You're making the claim that bluetooth and a wired lossless dac are functionally identical.
orchid rose
I did post a source though. Where a professional couldn't find a difference
But I wouldn't call that conclusive
prisma briar
I think that post is entirely marketing material
primal laurel
why?
prisma briar
Because AptX HD is a joke? It wasn't even the best BT codec I tried
primal laurel
why is it a joke?
prisma briar
It's not even the latest version of AptX
primal laurel
it's not about the specific version of aptx
prisma briar
If AptX HD was indistinguishable from wired then why have four more codecs been developed since?
primal laurel
but you're right, it's only getting better
prisma briar
Yea, it's getting better, one day hopefully soon it will be truly indistinguishable
I really wanted to move my setup to all bluetooth
I spent a few hundred dollars on bluetooth equipment trying to get that to work right
primal laurel
If AptX HD was indistinguishable from wired then why have four more codecs been ...
mostly for extended range, performance in noisy environments, correction of bit errors etc
prisma briar
Also higher bitrates
primal laurel
bandwidth wise there isn't much to gain anymore
prisma briar
ldac is 2x aptx-hd's bandwidth
Or something close to that, I think it was slightly under 2x
primal laurel
luckily we have signal processing to save the day!
prisma briar
These bluetooth codecs focus more on giving a consistent experience than a top-tier experience
In the real world they rarely sound as good as they theoretically can
orchid rose
Have you ever done an ABX or even an AB test to figure out if you can tell the difference?
prisma briar
I've done ABX between things like bitrates and phase and personal hearing abilities, but not specifically for Bluetooth.
It's irrelevant, though.
I'm providing an anecdotal account
It's clear I'm not changing your mind, I don't care.
orchid rose
That's fair. Just doing ABX in general is kinda based
prisma briar
https://www.audiocheck.net/blindtests_index.php I went through most if not all the tests on here one evening
I was slightly above my age range in frequency I could hear and everything else I seemed normal on.
Hmm, I remember there being a bitrate test on there too
Beyond 16-bit vs 8-bit sound which I'd expect almost everyone to be able to tell
orchid rose
Obviously I can't say for anyone else but when I did these tests I could absolutely not tell the difference between 320kbps mp3 vs a lossless 44khz flac. When I last treid it, a lot older I could not even tell the difference between 320kbps and 128kbps (might have been 192) mp3
prisma briar
The thing with these bluetooth codecs is they can sometimes drop down <100kbps if conditions are particularly bad
They're variable bitrate based on the signal integrity
orchid rose
But that's a wholly different issue
primal laurel
raw source bitrate and perceived audio quality are also not necessarily linearly related. YOu may drop a lot of bits due to loss of bandwith and the advanced signal processing inside headsets can mask / correct for it
if you are interested in how that works I can link some stuff (it's my master specialisation)
prisma briar
DSP isn't magic, it's more of smoothing than actual reconstruction
primal laurel
ehhh there's a lot in between those two things that's quite magical
prisma briar
Yea, the signal to noise ratio that DSP can pull meaningful data out of is getting crazy
ocean oar
Just call it "AI" and then you can pretend it's magic 😉
prisma briar
Another problem with that is all that stuff adds latency onto an already kinda laggy audio source. I'd agree BT audio is near the same quality as wired lossless but it's definitely nowhere near the latency.
AptX-LL does a good job of being low latency but it's low bitrate
orchid rose
You can definitely make the case on latency, that's easily provable, but audio quality to an extent where people can hear it. Show me, it should be easy.
orchid rose
Oh no
primal laurel
You can definitely make the case on latency, that's easily provable, but audio q...
give up, this guy is impossible to argue with, just look at his message history in this channel 😂
prisma briar
You guys are taking what was an anecdotal story and trying to attack it like you're in a highschool debate class.
And you keep insisting I'm wrong and need proof while providing literally no proof yourselves.
Maybe look at yourselves before you call me impossible.
I'm not trying to make this a televised debate, I was sharing my personal experience that was opposite to what you guys were discussing.
orchid rose
Surely you understand why people would object to your personal anecdotes though?
prisma briar
Most people would just go, "Oh, that's a story some guy on the internet shared" and move on, actually.
They wouldn't start ranting about ABX testing and providing sources
I haven't even looked for sources, I don't care.
orchid rose
Right, this is something that for whatever reason triggers me greatly lol
prisma briar
I was just a guy who was trying to find an audio setup that worked for him and really wanted bluetooth to work but couldn't find a setup that wasn't lacking.
orchid rose
I have nothing against that, so I don't know where this is even coming from
primal laurel
Maybe look at yourselves before you call me impossible.
it's just the way you argue. Very unpleasant
prisma briar
That's largely because I wasn't trying to argue at all.
Nor do I care to try to convince you.
primal laurel
see, this is exactly what I mean
you take everything as some kind of personal attack, while I was just trying to discuss bluetooth lol
prisma briar
You kept repeating "Nu-uh, nu-uh, nu-uh" over and over when I was just stating a personal anecdote, can't you see how that'd be a little frustrating?
While providing literally nothing of substance to anything, just making sure we all knew you disapproved of my anecdote
primal laurel
I said a lot of substantial things 🙂
prisma briar
You mentioned DSP a few times
And linked some laughable marketing material
Honestly everything you've said was absurd and I have no idea why I'm taking you seriously at all.
primal laurel
there are many other sources which say more or less the same thing
have you tried reading those?
prisma briar
I might as well be talking to a wall here
primal laurel
try being more friendly, is all im saying. Internet arguments are not worth it lol
prisma briar
jfc, you're something else.
Don't talk to me if you find me rude. I'm fine with that.
primal laurel
quite sad
prisma briar
Conversations with you never go anywhere meaningful, and again, you got rude first, so why would I feel the need to incentivize them further or try to be nice?
umbral cliff
How about you both just drop it for now
prisma briar
Or do you just expect everyone to be sunshine and happiness while you repeatedly call them a liar over an anecdotal story about hearing the difference between audio sources?
umbral cliff
Seems like this is going nowhere
primal laurel
Or do you just expect everyone to be sunshine and happiness while you repeatedly...
where exactly did I call you a liar?
prisma briar
I told you exactly how and where I could hear it, your response was literally 'no you can't, I have bose headphones'
And you started shifting the goalposts when I described an example of where bluetooth is distinguishable by seemingly trying to claim that a chunk of the auditory range isn't relevant therefore it doesn't matter
Then you posted a marketing page from a wireless headphone manufacturer stating it's the same, not at all understanding the absurdity of posting marketing material
And just whined about sources
Just because I said I could hear the difference between BT and wired
Excuse me if I find talking to you frustrating.
primal laurel
And you started shifting the goalposts when I described an example of where blue...
I thought you were talking about music.
prisma briar
Music triggers it all the time. Chimes are an instrument. I found the issue because some songs just didn't sound right.
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primal laurel
yes audio, such a 'contentious topic'
glacial knot
I'm happy that it's clear now that claiming raspis are tollerable isn't allowed 😂
prisma briar
They had their day, but their niche is shrinking.
esphome does so many of the things I used to use RPis for back in the day
gleaming crater
ESPs aren’t quite there yet for networked audio if you ask me, lol
Some good options with esp but none that reliably do multi room
prisma briar
I wonder if there's any good networked DAC all in one units around, like what the squeezeboxes used to be
gleaming crater
Close! Have you seen the muse Luxe?
It runs squeezelite and is basically a modern squeezebox
Just LMS is a strugglebus with large groups of players, my esp ones would always drop out too
prisma briar
I was thinking of setting up a VM and piping it's output to LMS then to a bunch of squeezelites
gleaming crater
I have a LMS head server but then a Snapcast server spins up multiple squeezlite “zone” clients
Snapcast is just a better last mile protocol, a player joining doesn’t cause a skip in audio in all the other clients
prisma briar
hdmi audio is basically just pcm over a wire, they should have included a coax spdif out on the rpi
gleaming crater
You can use hdmi audio all you want
But any USB dac works too
A cheap one sounds great too
prisma briar
One of my dacs only has a coax spdif port in left open
I have a PC on the USB in on it and a bluetooth receiver on the optical in
gleaming crater
Snapcast can rebroadcast any input too
prisma briar
Hrm, I could just run squeezelite on my desktops
gleaming crater
Snap.net client yeah
There is an iOS client but it sucks, apps don’t get access to an accurate enough clock
And this is entirely about accurate time sync
prisma briar
Only one of my stereos doesn't already have a PC on it and that one has HDMI in
gleaming crater
A $15 pi zero 2 can just be a Snapcast client with the hdmi adapter and no other hardware
Even the original zero w works, I could never get the 2s
I wish I had just gotten the POE hats for mine but too late
gleaming crater
A $15 pi zero 2 can just be a Snapcast client with the hdmi adapter and no other...
Actually that’s a lie, still need an SD and power lol
forest edge
I see Netham is poking another bear lol
gleaming crater
lol I’ve been called a bear but only cuz I’m hilariously tall and hairy
forest edge
I thought I was hairy too till I met a dude at a swimming pool in texas where I swore he had strapped a piece of carpet to his chest
gleaming crater
I mean my uncles have me beat, he looked like a gorilla in tidy whiteys
forest edge
only fear of skin cancer is nose cancer cause the sun cannot penetrate anywhere else
gleaming crater
I thought I was hairy too till I met a dude at a swimming pool in texas where I ...
That’s pretty hairy
prisma briar
I see Netham is poking another bear lol
Apparently Bluetooth audio quality is more contentious than I thought.
gleaming crater
lol when it turns into a religious war it is
forest edge
90% of everything typed in this channel could be considered contentious lol
prisma briar
Yea but I generally see it coming when I say something contentious, lol.
I was not expecting such an emotional response from people from that statement.
glacial knot
next someone will say displayport dsc doesn't look aweful D:
umbral cliff
next someone will say displayport dsc doesn't look aweful D:
Nah obviously the best port is DVI
glacial knot
DVI >> DP just because it still has screws
instead of the stupid way DP connectors anchor in
primal laurel
I was not expecting such an emotional response from people from that statement.
read back your messages, you are the only one being emotional
umbral cliff
instead of the stupid way DP connectors anchor in
You mean you don't like the silly tab that doesn't feel like it's moving
My favourite dp cable I have is one that doesn't have clips lol
ocean oar
Most Dell monitors come with clip-less DP cables these days
glacial knot
yea, silly tab that's often obstructed by case features
ocean oar
I'm still annoyed that USB-C connectors on GPUs was such a short-lived thing
glacial knot
if only VR actually caught on
primal laurel
glacial knot
I'm fine without that 😛
It was the only reason we had usb-C on GPUs for a while
ocean oar
I know. But since basically all monitors have USB-C now, it seems like it should make a reappearance
forest edge
usb c for monitor connecting is confusing
I have one of those little portable monitors that uses 1 usbc input for input and another for power and they are right next to each other
always have to look at the icon next to the port to make sure i am plugging the right shit into the right port
primal laurel
my laptop can only connect monitors direclty to the gpu via usb-c, otherwise it runs via some kind of intel multiplexer chip which reduces the performance
prisma briar
instead of the stupid way DP connectors anchor in
That's not even part of the DP connector spec, just something manufacturers did.
umbral cliff
I have one of those little portable monitors that uses 1 usbc input for input an...
Newer ones can do one port for both even
prisma briar
I have two that can do it over just one port, I use one for monitoring my security cameras and another hangs from a shelf as an additional monitor on my desktop.
DP to USB-C adapter I use for them
forest edge
Newer ones can do one port for both even
that would be nice but then you'd still have to have a second means of power incase the source couldn't provide it
umbral cliff
that would be nice but then you'd still have to have a second means of power inc...
True
prisma briar
There's portable screens with multiple USB-C inputs on them
Not sure if you can use one for power and another for video though
Mine does video+power through both but idk if it'll split them
forest edge
mine has seperate inputs for both
it might be able to use just the one but my point is.. having two makes it confusing
prisma briar
Oh, I guess one of my screens has three ports on it, the third is a USB 2.0 passthrough for whatever the selected screen is
It'd be cool if you could plug the screen in with a charger on one port and have it charge an attached device
That plus a KB/M on the USB passthrough could make for a decent portable docking station
ocean oar
We bought a handful of these for work, to be KVMs for headless PCs: https://nexdock.com/explore-nexdock/
Pretty much a laptop without the whole pesky "computer" part inside; has screen, battery, keyboard, touchpad, and USB-C or HDMI input
prisma briar
I have a Nexdock 360 too, I found the build quality to be lacking
Screws falling out and such
It's been really convenient in regards to allowing me to remove all the screens off of my servers and still access them locally if needed
ocean oar
Maybe they've upped their game, I thought the build quality was fine
Was a bit of a pain having to find a powered VGA->HDMI adapter to use it for servers, but fortunately I don't have any that don't have proper network management
For the most part though, are being used for headless workstations (that staff are remote controlling), which I don't have to deal with too often
Another place the USB-C is nice; we do have a smattering of machines that had Quadro GPUs from the era of USB-C ports, and that single-cable lifestyle is appealing
prisma briar
I set mine up with a hacked Switch running ubuntu driving it for a dual screen portable laptop
Battery life was never very good though
ocean oar
Shit, I think I recognise that CRT from my youth too
prisma briar
It's an Apple Multisync
Doesn't work anymore, needs recapped
Did still work when I took that pic though
The image just starts bouncing around on it anymore
clear ferry
I bet they'd sound identical on a pair of dollar store headphones too
I agree, I have had multiple Bose, they are great for noise cancelling, but their audio quality is horrendous
Both wired and wireless
Also, my wife has an external 14" that is powered and driven by usbc
It weighs absolutely nothing
primal laurel
I agree, I have had multiple Bose, they are great for noise cancelling, but thei...
Mine are amazing
clear ferry
Which ones ? I have had QC15 and QC35II
Sound quality overall is abyssmal, but they are great for working in noisy environments
primal laurel
QC35II and QC45. The sound quality is amazing
clear ferry
If by amazing you mean flat and treble heavy, yes 😄
primal laurel
Depends what you're comparing it to
clear ferry
Bose is not bassy
Compared to any Sony clocks, especially XB series
I've ended up with a compromise of balanced, so I use DT990 in my home office and DT770 out of home office, I hardly use my Bose anymore because my Oneplus Buds Pro have almost as good noise cancelling and are a lot easier to lug around into the DC without my ears getting sweaty
I have some Sony XB700 that I use in my studio
solar zealot
sadly its all just plastic nowadays
for most stuff being around 300$ this stuff feels like toys
solar zealot
you sound like i could ever afford such things
primal laurel
I've ended up with a compromise of balanced, so I use DT990 in my home office an...
how do you connect those to your phone if you dont have a jack?
clear ferry
I use a DAC
dusky plank
clear ferry
Currently using the Fiio Q3
Hyper-v server core
fucking disgusting @dusky plank
get out of here with that
dusky plank
ikr
primal laurel
Currently using the Fiio Q3
so you carry that thing around + a pair of wired headphones, which aren't even the same ones you have at home? 🤣
solar zealot
inverters and car batteries to power rianaro drivers on the go
clear ferry
yes
Then again, I leave the house... maybe once every 2 weeks, sometimes less
last time I was in the office was around october
primal laurel
https://tenor.com/view/the-office-dying-of-laughter-steve-carell-michael-scott-laughing-gif-12961301
clear ferry
but usually I just bring the Oneplus buds, unless I'm gonna sit in an office all day, then I prefer wired headset
so, 4 times a year ?
solar zealot
i cant believe oneplus figured out which is the correct left and right audio channel
clear ferry
They are actually really good
Almost as good as Sony MDR-XB70
but I hate wired when walking around
primal laurel
I can wear my qc45 all around the house without losing connection. The range difference between this one and the qc35II is mindblowing
with qc35II I could leave the room and that's about it
clear ferry
Yeah I've never had the need to have more than 1-2m range, but I can't say I had any issues on the QC35II either
primal laurel
I dont 'need' range either, but it's pretty glorious to be able to do laundry, dishes etc and keep whatever im listening to on
besides not having to deal with annoying wires
red rock
Lmao I have a beyerdynamic with a 3 meter cord
or 4 meter extended
So technically I can also do dishes when I am listening on my headphones
except I have something with my ears, when I wear my headphones often, I get sweaty ears
And then my skin slowly breaks down or something like that
So I only use it when I am on Discord or something like that
primal laurel
that's mostly to do with poor design, if the earcuffs can't breath you develop sweat
red rock
The earcuffs are made of fluweel
or whatever you call that in english
But I also had this with my Sony headphones
primal laurel
I had it with the razer and steelseries gaming headsets but never had it with the bose ones, I probably wear them 10 hours a day
clear ferry
I just let the music follow me around the house on speakers
I have 2x symfonisk in the kitchen, one in the washing room, one in the bathroom
red rock
I mean depends on your music taste and the people around you 😛
glacial knot
yea, don't live with people that like bad music
clear ferry
Thankfully me and the wife have the same taste in music and is probably why we are together after 23 years
and the kids love what I put on, so win win
glacial knot
and the kids don't dare complain you mean
clear ferry
Well, yesterday I drove my 2 year old to kindergarten, and I put on tom waits and she started headbanging
my 5 year old loves babymetal
glacial knot
They are cool live
clear ferry
I asked AI to give me a picture of babymetal playing on a cruise ship
I'm not dissapointed
clear ferry
Gotta say, I'm enjoying python far more than I thought I would
on day 4 of 100 days now
last cedar
<@300242410338910209> https://www.reddit.com/r/SipsTea/comments/18xs90u/but_frie...
This is literally my dream
But I can confirm, that is clearly a little one 🤣
primal laurel
This is literally my dream
I think this one is a pet, the dogs didn't react at all 😅
My dog would go nuts
glacial knot
I did look into that metal cruise before
But I don't think cruises are actually a good way to spend money :yagaGa:
solar zealot
would asking about helper entities count to be a #templates-archived question
ill try my luck ^^
orchid rose
orchid rose
There's some wind even so I'm not quite sure what's up other than it's cold af right now
But yeah it's a record. Peak price tomorrow is 2.5€/kWh which is like 25 times the normal average
gleaming crater
Wow
I’m glad my state is lots of hydro
I don’t pay more than 0.12 USD
That's a lie, it'll go up to 0.1307 lol
orchid rose
We have cheap electricity usually as well but these spikes can happen when it's cold and dark
gleaming crater
I don't think I've ever had a price spike here
gleaming crater
We have a huge hydroelectric dam here that keeps a good baseline regardless of weather
clear ferry
I'm currently pretty high at USD0.19, which is 10x the norm
orchid rose
The spikes only affect people who are buying at the market prices. Most people have set prices in their contracts
gleaming crater
Hah like those manaics in texas with the 'buy at market rate' utility
clear ferry
Really ? I thought market price was a scandinavian thing
we are 90\10 market\fixed
same with interest in loans
probably closer to 95\5 tbh
primal laurel
Dynamic hourly rates are becoming very popular here
orchid rose
Well I haven't checked the numbers but most people I know have set prices. I'm on market prices myself but my bills are very low either way
primal laurel
The energy supplier I work at introduced them as well a couple of months ago
gleaming crater
My utility only has winter/summer rates and a stepped price where the first bit of power every month is cheaper
clear ferry
my current price is USD0.19, but we are capped because state covers 90% over USD0.068, so in reality I'm paying USD0.081
So far used 80KWH today
gleaming crater
This is the extent of my variablity haha
primal laurel
Why so much
clear ferry
24th was 141kwh
It's not that much, I still use 20% less than a average househould my size
252m2 that needs heating, 2 kids that need clothes washed, one ev and one PHEV, 3 heat pumps, a 42 u rack of stuff
primal laurel
How do you heat?
orchid rose
By running servers 
clear ferry
heat pump
and electric ovens
my rack only pulls about 800w under normal circumstances
if I fire up my full lab it is closer to 2500w
primal laurel
Pretty funny how that's considered normal in the US
gleaming crater
which?
primal laurel
Yearly electricity consumption per household in the US is about 4x higher than the EU
clear ferry
Thankfully I don't live in that developing country
I pull 30-35k kwh per year though
primal laurel
Developing country?
gleaming crater
Yeah building code standards have evolved heavily, a new construction in my town uses MUCH less power
clear ferry
Developing country?
the US yes
gleaming crater
But mine, built to code 40 years ago is in a different class
primal laurel
What's your yearly energy consumption in 2023?
orchid rose
varies a lot in Europe as well
gleaming crater
What's your yearly energy consumption in 2023?
I'd have to add it up, they literally just released the opower integration for my utility with 2024.1.0 release of HA
clear ferry
I'd have to add it up, they literally just released the opower integration for m...
You don't have an app that is updated every minute and smart meters in every house ? 
primal laurel
Properly isolating your house could already save you probably 50% of total energy consumed depending on how old your house is
gleaming crater
Oh I need new siding for sure
And could do an insulation update
blow a few dozen inches more of insulation up in the attic
The code for min attic insulation went up 3 inches since my house was done lol
clear ferry
I bought mine 14 years ago, hopfully selling it within the next 6
it has only increased 150% in value
blazing musk
Ouch, I'm around twice the average.
I did manage to eliminate about 1.5 kWh a day by removing the second water heater
clear ferry
I can't wait to move north where power is roughly 1\4th of the south
run my lab all day
gleaming crater
I went and bought a hot tub so that thing uses a bit of juice
clear ferry
gleaming crater
But really around here water is more expensive than power
It cost me more to fill this thing than to heat it lol
blazing musk
I went and bought a hot tub so that thing uses a bit of juice
I would assume they make heat pump hot tubs
That's what our new water heater is
gleaming crater
I would assume they make heat pump hot tubs
I have not heard of one... yet
blazing musk
I should really get my ultrasonic sensor going so I can figure out where we waste the most water
I'm going to guess running the faucet to get hot water. I've been wanting to set up some sort of smart recirculation
gleaming crater
I have a hillside I want to build a solar farm on, that would eliminate the big pain of trying to manage the roof under a solar installation
clear ferry
I will probably buy solar roofing when I buy a new house
glacial knot
The Tesla tiles?
clear ferry
no, just regular solar panels
gleaming crater
I'm high enough latitude that solar isn't that great year round
clear ferry
no tesla nonsense at my house thank you
split sparrow
no, just regular solar panels
The ones that don't really exist?
gleaming crater
We need large installs to make it work
split sparrow
I'm going to get solar when I get some spare money, seems like a no-brainer
Finding a solar installer willing to use the kit I want will be the harder bit 😁 don't want some IoT solar crap
clear ferry
last I checked it would cost roughly $14k to cover my whole roof
split sparrow
Found some nice ones that support batteries and do modbus
gleaming crater
I had a guy try and get me to finance a system that would cost 70k for 25 years... I tossed him on his ass out the door
split sparrow
That's insane
glacial knot
what would be the peak power on that system? o.0
gleaming crater
38kWh I wanna say lol
He was trying to spec it out with a website on his phone
And was trying to get me to sign based on a single rolled up number without a formal quote
clear ferry
my roof would produce roughly 12k kwh per year, so 1\3 of my usage
gleaming crater
I have a split level with a somewhat comically massive roof
But it splits east/west not north/south
So you have to over-cover the roof
primal laurel
no, just regular solar panels
one of those houses is very close to me
blazing musk
I had a guy try and get me to finance a system that would cost 70k for 25 years....
Yeah, there's a bunch of firms trying to bank on making money back on "zero cost solar" because they pay a fixed amount for the panels. Then they get the money for the energy sold back to the grid
orchid rose
my roof would produce roughly 12k kwh per year, so 1\3 of my usage
Even then keep in mind that those panels only produce when electricity prices are basically zero anyway
well I guess the transport cost is still there so you end up saving something
blazing musk
It would be interesting setting up with a liquid battery in the crawl space
primal laurel
still has some tiles
gleaming crater
If you're gonna do solar you want some metal roof underneath that lasts basically forever
primal laurel
It would be interesting setting up with a liquid battery in the crawl space
liquid battery?
static schooner
blazing musk
Flow battery. I spoke too soon, somebody else had discussed it a couple years ago but there don't seem to be any complete solutions at the moment.
gleaming crater
I'm sure somebody is building their own banks of 18650s to have DIY powerwalls
glacial knot
@finite atlas you've been questioned
primal laurel
I'm sure somebody is building their own banks of 18650s to have DIY powerwalls
that's a quick way to burn your house down
red rock
What way would be the fastest
primal laurel
one of those shitty electric scooters from ali xpress
finite atlas
I'm sure somebody is building their own banks of 18650s to have DIY powerwalls
uhmmmmmmmmm
finite atlas
red rock
one of those shitty electric scooters from ali xpress
Lmao
finite atlas
Does this still count as 18650's if its the size of a EV car battery?
red rock
but your friend knows a guy who can install them for cheap
Is it you
primal laurel
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1083807698300186794/1097597532789547128...
that makes me nervous
finite atlas
that makes me nervous
Its a pleasure to me
red rock
ill do it for free, but no guarantees
Guarantee that you'll burn the house down or that it's good
gleaming crater
It’s not rocket surgery to manage lithium cells
primal laurel
Guarantee that you'll burn the house down or that it's good
that's for you to find out
primal laurel
It’s not rocket surgery to manage lithium cells
I had one go kaboom once, its pretty scary. Can't imagine what happens with that many at once
finite atlas
if you treat your cells poorly, they will go kaputt
i had one turn into a rocket and glowing red hot
even blew up a few more out of boredom
primal laurel
you need a bucket of sand and a good chemical extinguisher
finite atlas
No
finite atlas
All you need is some will-power to pick up the glowing red 18650 with a towel and toss it into the sink to drown it in water
glacial knot
I think they said there's also some fire proof setup for charging E bikes
primal laurel
All you need is some will-power to pick up the glowing red 18650 with a towel an...
and if one in your bank goes kaboom?
finite atlas
If that will ever happen, the solution is rather simple
I'll just enter the room and stay there
then its the next persons problem, not mine anymore
red rock
that's for you to find out
Lol
blazing musk
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1083807698300186794/1097597532789547128...
It's funny how every DIY one of these I've seen is surrounded by flammable material
finite atlas
It's funny how every DIY one of these I've seen is surrounded by flammable mater...
You'd be surprised how much more non flammable material is around them.
gleaming crater
Do you have one of these: https://www.avdfire.com/products/lith-ex-9-litre-fire-extinguisher/
finite atlas
Nah
red rock
Why did they call it lit
gleaming crater
You can't put out a lithium fire with a standard extinguisher
red rock
Oh that makes sense
gleaming crater
https://www.avdfire.com/what-is-aqueous-vermiculite-dispersion/ yeah it's basically vermiculite media
which is aluminum-iron-magnesium silicate flakes lol
We have one of these at work, it's the "Oh shit" fire exinguisher
prisma briar
I doubt even that would put out those batteries if they went up
Lithium fires are self-oxidizing
gleaming crater
This is meant to encapsulate to help stop propigation
gleaming crater
But yeah lots of fire depts have started carrying this gear cuz of electric cars
Before that the protocol was to stand back and let it burn out lol
prisma briar
Steam engines have a trap door under the fire box so they can drop the fire if the boiler runs dry, maybe EVs need something like that for if their batteries go up.
gleaming crater
Lol they're putting batteries inside the frame now
static schooner
Eject the warp core!
gleaming crater
It's part of why insurance is so damn expensive on em, accidents are crazy repair costs more often than not
prisma briar
Insurance is the main reason I have no interest in getting a new car. I like my cheap-ass liability only insurance on my 11 year old car, lol.
gleaming crater
I was reading the article about people who fell for the tesla auto insurance, only to find out nobody answered the phones or processed claims
gleaming crater
Lol that's a suave roll at the end
clear ferry
The us and insurance and cars and deals always surprise me, the one guy I know with a 2012 Chevy that was sold with lifetime warranty on all parts of the vehicle, and another guy I know that had to pay a gazillion to insure his golf sized chevy
gleaming crater
That sounds like 2 different things
clear ferry
Yes, two different states
gleaming crater
extended warranty vs insurance
prisma briar
Also lifetime parts warranty sounds fishy
prisma briar
My insurance on my 2013 Altima went from about $260/mo when I was living in the middle of a city with full coverage to about $50 now, living on the edge of a smaller city with liability only.
clear ferry
My Volvo XC90 2018 is around $100 per month with full coverage
Including engine and gearbox
prisma briar
My car hasn't had any warranty left for a long time
Yea, full coverage here covers the drive train
But only from an accident, not from general wear due to normal use
gleaming crater
I had a really good warranty on my mini that basically covered everything for a while
But then it timed out before I hit the milage when I started working from home
prisma briar
My warranty expired in 2020 I think
I never made a claim on it, heh
Only ever had take it to a mechanic once when an asshole ran a red light and hit me
And his insurance covered it all
gleaming crater
I got rear ended at a stoplight the fucking week I paid my mini off
They fixed it but still
prisma briar
I saw the guy coming when I got hit and had mostly stopped, he ripped off my front bumper and radiator.
He ran a red light and hit me because he was late for church.
Then got all pissy when I called the cops so I could get a police report on the incident.
orchid rose
Really ? I thought market price was a scandinavian thing
I looked this up and Finnish people on market prices account for 29% but it has doubled in the last year. So apparently we are still an outlier within the scandibros
clear ferry
Interesting
I should have locked my loan interest when it was 1.5 though
Currently it is 5.24
blazing musk
I should have refi'd as well but at least I'm still sitting at 4%
gleaming crater
I got lucky at 3%, I will never get to refi lol
blazing musk
the market was still depressed in 2012, my house is magically worth like 3-4x as much now
blazing musk
yeah it's stupid
I'm just another "with a small loan of $100k from my parents" type story, except I lived almost rent-free at my parents for 3-4 years of saving up.
And I didn't have student loans, they paid for community college... that kind of stuff
prisma briar
I lived in a house with 6 other guys to save up for my house.
Took a few years
The semester of community college I went to only cost a couple thousand dollars for me so it was long paid off
I got a 2.5% rate on my house at the end of 2021, right before the rates here shot back up
primal laurel
My education is getting me in debt but it should be worth it in the end
Just need sufficient base pay to qualify for sufficient mortgage
prisma briar
I was lucky that the things I liked doing as hobbies and studied on my own were valuable skills. I never had the attention span for traditional school.
primal laurel
Work study and hobby is all the same for me
blazing musk
Work study and hobby is all the same for me
Just be careful of burnout, from experience.
primal laurel
Just be careful of burnout, from experience.
I don't think I'm vulnerable to it but let's see
prisma briar
I always found the type of coworkers I worked with affected my feeling of burnout a lot more than whatever job I was doing.
Also when I was the only person on my team in my state but I still had to come in to the office and sit in an empty section of the building sucked, so glad covid ended that nonsense.
clear ferry
I've had a lot of colleagues have burnout, but I don't know if it is because I have my job as a hobby, I've worked a lot more than them in both hours and stressing environments
red rock
But what was first, your job or hobby?
like did your job become a hobby or did your hobby become your job
red rock
My current job has been my hobby for 30+ years
But do you keep doing it in your free time?
primal laurel
I think I will have to either start my own company or go free lancing to stay motivated
im for sure not doing the corporate grind
red rock
I mean, doing a few years corporate grind is nice for your network
because with your network you can kickstart your own company or freelance
clear ferry
But do you keep doing it in your free time?
I don't distinguish, what I do at work is the same thing I do when I have free time
red rock
Right
Because I could go work at nabu casa at some point
but now its my hobby
I don't know how I feel about that yet
glacial knot
But do you keep doing it in your free time?
I have the tendency to do the same stuff on my time off. But don't tend to do much own stuff on the days I work
clear ferry
My manager also makes it feel like a hobby, noone bothers me unless they need me to fix something fast, and as long as I deliver what I am supposed to noone cares if I work 10 or 50h a week
primal laurel
I mean, doing a few years corporate grind is nice for your network
you dont need to do corporate grind to get a network
iron granite
Because I could go work at nabu casa at some point
red rock
you dont need to do corporate grind to get a network
definetly not, but it will certainly help
Like I am at my job like a social butterfly
I know everyone of our department quite well
and when they have to do stuff cross department, and they're like
I don't know this guy
I am always the one like
oh I drunk beers with him a few months ago
red rock
My manager also makes it feel like a hobby, noone bothers me unless they need me...
omg today I was sitting next to a coworker trying to push back on a projectmanager who is quite... persistent and stubborn
it was hard to see
clear ferry
Thankfully most managers in Europe know who I am and quite a few in the US, so I think I'm at least good at making impressions if not connections
clear ferry
omg today I was sitting next to a coworker trying to push back on a projectmanag...
I just ignore those
glacial knot
I only push back on PMs when they are wrong 🙂
glacial knot
yea, CSEs are the worst.
Are you even CSE? o.0
clear ferry
I have no degrees no
glacial knot
Customer Success Engineer isn't a degree 😛
clear ferry
Oh I thought you meant computer science engineer
glacial knot
nah, CS isn't Engineering. SWE kinda is though
clear ferry
I was customer engineer 10 or so years ago, but I work a lot with success managers, that's some wankery overall
glacial knot
the worst kind of Java
primal laurel
what's Java
glacial knot
I was customer engineer 10 or so years ago, but I work a lot with success manage...
D: Everyone in sales adjacent is
glacial knot
what's Java
Java is a registered trademark of Oracle and/or its affiliates.
^ That's on every page in developers.google.com btw 😂
ocean oar
Poor organisations who are "affiliated" with Oracle. Y'know that's an entirely one-sided relationship.
primal laurel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPMwnpiQ-gM
ocean oar
Does lead to some amazing times though. We're actually an Oracle customer (ZFS storage, our account team knows better than to try selling us anything else), so have met a few people from Oracle. Went out for a boozy lunch with some of them and all they wanted to do was talk shit about Larry.
Got a 10 minute diatribe about how pathetic they thought it was that he parked the America's Cup boat in the foot-deep lagoon outside Oracle HQ.
red rock
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bupoDDCOlAo
lmao
clear ferry
Poor organisations who are "affiliated" with Oracle. Y'know that's an entirely ...
It's basically an abusive relationship
glacial knot
imagine being affiliated with HP
clear ferry
Does lead to some amazing times though. We're actually an Oracle customer (ZFS ...
Have you considered migrating to our lord and saviour ZoL?
clear ferry
imagine being affiliated with HP
I agree, disgusting
ocean oar
Have you considered migrating to our lord and saviour ZoL?
Does that come with an enterprise support contract and people to yell at when it goes wrong?
prisma briar
My dad worked for Storage Tek/Sun/Oracle for about 15 years, staying as the first two got bought out.
glacial knot
you mean, to try and deflect responsibility should something go wrong?
prisma briar
Everybody I met that worked there thought Ellison was a joke and the company itself was soulless
ocean oar
you mean, to try and deflect responsibility should something go wrong?
Well that too. But mostly the automatic replacement parts. When you have damn near 6000 3.5" drives, do expect the odd failure 😉
glacial knot
we just use GCP 😮
clear ferry
Does that come with an enterprise support contract and people to yell at when it...
Probably someone is stupid enough to offer that 
prisma briar
We quit deploying anything that's not nvme at work a few years ago
clear ferry
Everybody I met that worked there thought Ellison was a joke and the company its...
We the competition also think the same
glacial knot
We quit deploying anything that's not nvme at work a few years ago
How much storage capacity do you have?
prisma briar
uh, a lot
clear ferry
2024 is the year of the SSD though
I haven't installed a non all flash system since probably 2017, but not at that scale, at most 8x800 drives for a solution
ocean oar
We have a shade over 40PiB 🙂
prisma briar
Our newer clusters are pushing 1PB per cluster now
clear ferry
That is just 40 2U shelves these days
ocean oar
This year's plan is this:
https://www.purestorage.com/products/unstructured-data-storage/flashblade-s.html
~5.5PiB usable in 17RU
clear ferry
Pure .. I think I have seen 4 systems in my life, and none of them still have pure
Their market share in Norway is probably sub 0.5%
prisma briar
We're running hyperconverged clusters so no dedicated san hardware
clear ferry
We're running hyperconverged clusters so no dedicated san hardware
Don't say storage spaces, please....
glacial knot
oh, you work for pure?
ocean oar
I was a beta tester for the Gen1 FlashBlade. I got the 4th one ever installed outside of a location they controlled.
And I broke it... badly.
prisma briar
Don't say storage spaces, please....
Ceph and Virtuozzo's vstorage
clear ferry
Phew
prisma briar
I think the Windows side still uses DFS for some shares but I've been away from that for a while
prisma briar
We have a shade over 40PiB 🙂
If I had to guess we have about the same at work
glacial knot
I can't find any published numbers 😦
ocean oar
What I did find interesting is by all accounts, our throughput is pretty damn good for the capacity we have.
CERN published this couple of months ago, they have 1EB of disk space, and can hit 1TB/s:
https://home.cern/news/news/computing/exabyte-disk-storage-cern
We've got 1/25 of their storage space, but my compute<->storage record is a smidgen over 1Tbps, which is ~1/8 of their throughput.
prisma briar
Our distributed storage layers hit performance pretty hard, I don't think we could get anywhere near that.
glacial knot
I have to bench our clusters at some point...
Iirc. the nvmes hit a couple gbit/s each
finite atlas
👉 👈 i habe a 250gb nvme ssd which does 3 gbyte/s
glacial knot
For a third of a second then the GByte Cache is full?
finite atlas
mayyybe
prisma briar
I striped two SSD 980 Pros and ran 1Mb sector/1024 queue depth tests against it and was able to get 12Gbps reads from the pair.
not really comparable to any real world use but big number go brrr
primal laurel
they reached 22.9 Pb/s using only a single optical fiber at my uni last month https://techxplore.com/news/2023-11-world-optical-fiber-transmission-capacity.html
static schooner
I like to think that they're waiting to extend FTTH for my house until they reach 22.9 Pb/s
so any day now...
blazing musk
I'm on 1gbit but they offer 10 here. My equipment doesn't even handle 10 yet, even my MikroTik stuff is 2.5 on 1/4 ports
gleaming crater
It would cost me several hundred to add 10g to my backplane lol
prisma briar
I have 2.5Gb from Comcast but it was down all day yesterday so I have all my stuff failed over to a Verizon 5G connection right now
ocean oar
I'm on "gigabit" (actual throughput more like 900/400Mbps) FTTH, but I also live in New Zealand, so realistically faster last-mile access does ⅝ of fuck all when everything you're trying to access is overseas
blazing musk
My cabling is 6A so at least I don't have to run new when I upgrade.
Though I hear 5e is good to 10g for <45m runs?
static schooner
I'm on "gigabit" (actual throughput more like 900/400Mbps) FTTH, but I also live...
I'll bet that SheepNet is blazing, though
gleaming crater
Baaaaa
prisma briar
I have some 10Gb over 5e on like 7m runs and it works fine
I went cat6 for everything else
gleaming crater
Amazon decided to gift me a free roll of outdoor UV rated full copper cat 6
I'm only halfway thru it lol
blazing musk
I have 2.5Gb from Comcast but it was down all day yesterday so I have all my stu...
I've been on FTTH ever since I bought the house and the Comcast guys used to get stuck doing door-to-door sales. I laughed because I had dealt with Comcast other places and they weren't offering anything competitive.
The only time I've actually been down was the ONT died.
That took a couple days
ocean oar
I just put Cat6 in my house. House isn't that big (longest run is something like 14 metres), and our friendly staff sparky at work chucked me a few boxes with <50m left in them (no good to him, perfect for me).
Hard to argue with free 😉
gleaming crater
Yeah my roll was free because it got lost during xmas delivery last year and showed up a month later after the order was canceled
Protip: order a roll of ethernet during xmas lol
blazing musk
only free stuff I've gotten from Amazon was a mix-up between our box and somebody elses. It was a flat of wet cat food and a book on raising teenagers. I joked with my wife that it was sent from us from the future (newborns at that point and a cat)
gleaming crater
I assumed my shipment had just been stolen, crackheads can't resist a thousand feet of copper lol
prisma briar
I ordered a pack of screws from Amazon a few months ago and got a 2024 day planner instead
gleaming crater
That's the AI telling you to get your shit together lol
blazing musk
some old person must have been very confused
ocean oar
Only thing I've ever ended up with duplicates of from Amazon was a set of shelves that got lost in transit for 2 weeks, and then reappeared.
Wish it had been something exciting.
gleaming crater
Oh yeah I got 2 bbqs one time, but they were the prime day $50 bbq lol
Gave one away
ocean oar
I also one time ordered a magnetic knife block that never appeared, so I'm guessing that could still be attached to the inside of a package sorting machine somewhere.
gleaming crater
Ahahahah
blazing musk
prisma briar
I ordered some fans from Amazon a few years ago that got misdelivered to a neighbor who brought them over after a few days
Ended up with 12 40mm noctua fans, lol
static schooner
https://i.imgur.com/0N1F6qy.gif
A box of slinkies
blazing musk
Looking at my stats today it appears I have spent more in the last 6 months to run my computer than I have my EV
gleaming crater
Time to get an n100 lol
blazing musk
That's what I'm running, though my missing amount looks like the DoD's audit so I'm contemplating a second
blazing musk
That was my intro to ESPHome. Stupid easy once you solder the header pins on.
that fridge count makes me think I should probably clean the coils...
blazing musk
Time to get an n100 lol
I WFH and compile times suck on my NUC server, I'll put up with the bill
I definitely watch it closer and try to make sure it goes to sleep though because it idles around 200W
I should hook up the rack UPS to the NUC though so I can get a count on how much my core network equipment uses.
ocean oar
Probably more than you'd like 😄
blazing musk
gonna guess 100-150W
ocean oar
My switch claims to be drawing 104W (although that's the PSUs' DC measurement, the AC appears to be more like 150), about half of which is PoE load
blazing musk
I'm not set for POE though it would be nice to do that to my APs
blazing musk
I picked up a 24 port aruba for under a hundred
I should probably do something like that. I just have a basic Netgear trash rack switch and it's actually crashed once in 3 years.
gleaming crater
I'm a fan of aruba, they don't give a flying fart if you're not on support contract
Unlike other brands that won't give out updates without support contracts
blazing musk
how'd you get it for that cheap is my question
gleaming crater
Hmm price flucuates: https://www.serversupply.com/NETWORKING/SWITCH/24 PORT/HPE/J9727A_190472.htm
It seems to vary +/- 100 bucks
I've seen as low as 80
ocean oar
Complicating that though is you now can't create an account to download firmware for HPE products without a company email; no longer allows using gmail and other public email providers
gleaming crater
Ahh yeah I have my own domain(s)
ocean oar
Yeah it's not that big of an impediment, is just a massive dick move
gleaming crater
I just used my lastname.cc domain that cost me 8 dollars a year lol
I'm sure you could get a smaller free email provider they haven't blacklisted
blazing musk
ouch, staying in MikroTik land for 1U rackmount 24 ports is $489
gleaming crater
Oof
blazing musk
(with PoE, non PoE is $200)
gleaming crater
Yeah I just got that aruba I linked, it does all the port tagging and poe stuff I needed
The only problem I had is one amcrest camera wasn't asking for enough power and I had to manually configure the port to allow more wattage
blazing musk
it's at least managed, my netgear isn't even that
gleaming crater
The aruba would actually limit to what was reserved
Stupid amcrest PTZ didn't ask for enough juice to power the camera AND the IR at the same time haha
blazing musk
click crash