the-water-cooler

[solar zealot]

Putting zfs ontop of it does work but it may perform poorly

[distant junco]

Which enclosures exactly?

[solar zealot]

From qnap the T004? or what it is called

TR004

[distant junco]

I wouldn't use its hardware raid but if it acts as a USB to SATA bridge and you can use the disks in a software raid I'd probably use it

[solar zealot]

Yea it does also offer a mode exposing the individual disks

Sadly no smart values without the qnap software

But I don't bother with that

[distant junco]

Probably rather use some UASP enclose(s) then

[solar zealot]

Probably the best would have been the original syno extension one

But that's like as expensive as a new Nas from them

[clear ferry]

Never put zfs on top of a raid

[solar zealot]

no i ran it on the individual disks

not that this would be less freaky over usb

[clear ferry]

No, usb storage is fine for data you don't care about

It is still a step up from SD or emmc

[distant junco]

Weird comparison

[glacial knot]

remembers some Transcend USB drives that aren't better than emmc

[distant junco]

They are only using USB dependent storage, just a USB enclosure. Not really comparable.

[clear ferry]

laughs in Chinese 32TB usb drives

[lofty orchid]

Dasshio + shell command = matrix mode on my pi 5 setup.

[winged obsidian]

Must be an EU regulation about that

[late gate]

how much power does your servers use?

[finite atlas]

30W on average, if you count switches and routers maybe 50W total

[late gate]

I am currently running at 250w as of yesterday, but put it in power save mode last night and now its idling on 169W. Any suggestion for furter power cut?

[clear ferry]

I'm currently doing 800w

[late gate]

800w is quite a bit

[clear ferry]

for 1x dual socket server + 24 SFF drives + 24 LFF drives + 2 switches + a fanless server with 8 nics + a micro atx box with 4 drives

not really

[primal laurel]

merge things, get rid of things you don't need

my NAS runs everything

[clear ferry]

laughs in 5 extra 2 socket nodes I spin up as needed

I need to move north soon, so I can get a dedicated server room and 1\8th of the power price

[last cedar]

Turn it off

[late gate]

thats not fun

im not sure how much each drive pull though

if I could get it down to 100W I would be happy

[last cedar]

Modern drives can be quite efficient, 3 to 4 watts, larger 7200rpm perhaps 5-7 watts each.

Sas disks can be crazy though, even at idle. I had 8 disks as a test and the whole server pulled 200W, without the disks it was like 42 or 43W

[clear ferry]

usually I'd say 5-8w for SAS SSDs

[last cedar]

Show off with your fancy sas ssds

[clear ferry]

I have 24+8 rust spindles and 16+8 ssd drives

[last cedar]

normal people still run spinners

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/buXuC.gif

I'm picking up 16 more SAS SSDs in a few weeks

only 1.92TB though

[last cedar]

Damn

Double damn

That would be sweet tbh, not have to have spinning disks

But allas!

[clear ferry]

But Allahs ?

[last cedar]

Yes

Using stone disks

I think

[clear ferry]

That is my remember-rule for ls -llah I remember list allah

[last cedar]

What does that do?

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/bLq8U.gif

[last cedar]

Mmm not sure I can

Partly power saving, partly modernising, I grabbed 2x elitedesk 800 g3s, one for my dad for truenas and one for me as a router

[clear ferry]

You don't have any free Oracle VMs ? You get 6 you know

[last cedar]

My router is a v3 e3 xeon, not even ddr4

[last cedar]

I don't have time to play with any number of oracle vms 🤣

Been renovating the house like mad, and now back working

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/0GkX.gif

[late gate]

I finally have built a new opnsense router that will be future proof, and core specs that fits to a native 10G cross firwall and VLAN. Landed on a Intel 9th gen i9 CPU @ 35W version - If that will not be enough I have not idea what to do. On this I will run two enterprise SSD in mirror mode with zfs as I have had some issues with file rot on a single drive zfs on opnsense

[solar zealot]

As someone living in a place where energy ain't free, that seems like a very expensive solution

[glacial knot]

🤔 why ZFS if you just run mirror? Do you intend to use snapshots a lot?

[late gate]

I was just imagined a mirror would have less chance or file rot? I dont know, but my experience with opnsense is that it start to loose some files, even with enterprise disks, so hoped that two disks would make it more reliable

[glacial knot]

I'm mainly wondering why ZFS over devicemanager raid1 and ext

ah, might be due to what opensense offers?

[clever mortar]

ZFS has less chance of file rot. Running ZFS on top of RAID is a Bad Idea ™️

[clear ferry]

Don't

Don't

Don't

Also

Don't

[glacial knot]

oh, I assumed they meant zfs with raidz1/mirror on 2 drives. Not zfs on top of a dm mirror

[finite atlas]

reduce your hardware?

use more modern stuff?

[late gate]

everything is modern. 12th gen Intel, its just many drives and such

[finite atlas]

switch to ssd

[distant junco]

How many? Powertop's auto tune may be able to reduce the overall system consumption by a few watts. For the disks you should look into hdparm and APM.

[clear ferry]

sleeping drives

[distant junco]

I never said to put them to sleep: https://superuser.com/questions/555400/what-do-different-values-of-hard-drives-advanced-power-management-feature-hdpa

[clear ferry]

Since all of those values are related to spindown I don't see what else it does

[solar zealot]

When do we get variable speed hdds

[clever mortar]

They've existed for a while now AFAIK

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/my-reaction-to-that-information-ssd-my-reaction-reaction-solid-state-drive-gif-385775260089835060

[dusky plank]

ORGANIC STORAGE

now fight!

[solar zealot]

Isn't that just called a human

[clear ferry]

Yeah, variable speed drives have been a thing for well over a decade

any drive that is 5900rpm is variable afaik

[solar zealot]

Interesting 🤔 never seen those

Is it more of an enterprise product?

[clear ferry]

no

most white label \ red label wds are like that afaik

not that it matters that much tbh, unless you have a boatload

[solar zealot]

Now I know

[clear ferry]

What else can I teach you today ?

[young sigil]

How is babby formed?

[gentle ferry]

if you want to automate sending emails, what email/smtp service would you use?

[clever mortar]

Depends on what volumes you're talking about, and to who

For personal use gmail or protonmail works

[clear ferry]

Sendmail + protonbridge

[primal laurel]

can you fix my code

[clear ferry]

No

Definitely not

[primal laurel]

I wrote this code 6 months ago, now it breaks. For the life of me I can't figure out how it works

I even put comments

[clear ferry]

It is probably gremlins

[red rock]

Have you tried turning it off and on again

If you really need a second pair of eyes I'm happy to help

If my next talk is boring

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/snoring-old-man-simpsons-snore-gif-11676353

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/office-depot-office-space-bored-so-bored-im-bored-gif-816199045062666940

[primal laurel]

thx, its okay I got it. Just tired lol

[red rock]

Okay okay

You know when you have a good talk

[iron granite]

What kind of event is that?

[red rock]

One where we talk about a dead salmon in a MRI

Codedive.pl

[iron granite]

Big salmon or small MRI

[red rock]

We just had a quiz about if there is a colleration between more money == more sex

[iron granite]

It depends

[clear ferry]

I fookin love Math is a Drag

[primal laurel]

what's that?

[clear ferry]

https://www.instagram.com/mathisadrag/

I've never been good at math, but she explains it perfectly

[primal laurel]

oh

I recommend 3blue1brown

or numberphile

if you want to see how useful real math is

[young sigil]

3blue1brown is awesome.

[primal laurel]

very 🙂

learned a lot from him

especially the stuff about linear algebra, statistics and PDEs/ODEs

[young sigil]

I have a (tenuous) grasp on Maxwell's equations now thanks to him.

[primal laurel]

I hope it inspires more kids to choose STEM

[last cedar]

@young sigil Maxwell you say?

https://tenor.com/view/maxwell-cat-meme-gif-27285439

Didn't know he did equations too

[primal laurel]

maxwell didn't do equations... he wrote the language of the gods

https://tenor.com/view/vegeta-dragonballsuper-dragonball-meme-language-of-gods-gif-14707991

[golden wing]

picking up a home assistant yellow to replace what home assistant is currently running on: an old laptop

should clean up my setup quite a bit

[clear ferry]

A downgrade, good idea

[glacial knot]

depends on how much of a spicy pillow that laptop's battery is

[clear ferry]

Even if it has an UwU bulge it would still be fine probably

[clear ferry]

Sounds like my late FIL

_no fuck that, it's supposed to be cooked _

[glacial knot]

You folk are even responsible for the undercooked salmon

[young sigil]

It does look tasty that way.

[glacial knot]

fried squid nigiri is great

[umbral cliff]

Sure that wasn’t in response to you eating raw mincemeat

[glacial knot]

Are you hating on Mett? 🚪👈

[inland steeple]

heya people 🙂 just joined in the hopes of finding people that can make some good recommendations for components 🙂

[glacial knot]

#hardware-archived is the best place to ask for hardware recommendations 🙂
Though we might have some fun ideas on what to automate.
Which reminds me, I wonder if anyone has integrated their shower temperature yet to change it depending on whether it's a hot or cold day 🤔

[young sigil]

https://xkcd.com/1205/

xkcd: Is It Worth the Time?

Don't forget the time you spend finding the chart to look up what you save. And the time spent reading this reminder about the time spent. And the time trying to figure out if either of those actually make sense. Remember, every second counts toward your life total, including these right now.

[glacial knot]

I love the stair of: don't lie

I've seen a slide somewhere of how many engineering years it's worth to shave a single millisecond of google response times or page loads

[iron granite]

With onions

[inland steeple]

thanks for the heads up 🙂 still gotta set up HA first and then figure out what I actually want to make smart first and what makes sense for me. Was thinking thermostats, lights to start with but maybe also some smart wall plugs for the TV and such to just turn off when not in use

[glacial knot]

🙂 It works best when you do what makes sense for you instead of looking for automation for the sake of automation

[inland steeple]

nah I don't wanna do that but I thought like smart heating cycles to come into a cozy apt makes sense

as well as light shutting off in the night when I fell asleep in front of my phone again LOL

[clear ferry]

Whale sashimi is great too

[glacial knot]

look at Mr. evil pants here

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/bVDkM.gif

Whale is great, if done correctly

as is seal

and caribou

and moose

all 4 pretty common meats here

[late gate]

any of you are using any logging/monitoring software like zabbix, checkmk or loki or other? It seems nobody can agree which one is best

[clear ferry]

I find graylog good

Lots of customers us zabbix though

[glacial knot]

google cloud logging/traces at work and I have the loki/tempo/grafana stack setup at home

[late gate]

I have been dabbling a bit with graylog too. the loki one I have been concidering cause it can be synced with their cloud service. If the network crashes its good to have logs synced to the cloud

[last cedar]

And battered

And served in newspaper

With chips

[low harness]

I loved the timing of that xkcd. It was published April 29th 2013. Two months after I posted this to facebook.

If a task which takes time t to complete shall be completed N times, but can be automated such that it takes time t' to complete, it is worth the time T=fN(t-t') to automate, where f (a number larger than 0, no upper limit) is your Nerd-factor.

Thomas' genereal theorem of automation.

Not applicable for very large N, t' which require monitoring, or in the presence of impending deadline/exam week (where the behavior of T becomes chaotic).

For a moment that gave me as much nerd-cred as that time Notch tweeted at me saying he was impressed.

[young sigil]

Maybe Randall is stalking you on Facebook.

[low harness]

"Get out of my head, Randall!" is a thing...

But as anyone who's been at a university will tell you - xkcd is just how things are. We've all had the same ideas at one point or another.

Randall Munroe is just exceptionally skilled at capturing them before it's too late.

[primal laurel]

https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinteresting/comments/17xb27q/airport_uses_xboxs_kinect_at_check_in_baggage/

my uni also uses these things in computer vision projects, they're very good and cheap lol

[clear ferry]

I wish more DCs would do Microsoft Hololens

[last cedar]

Not enough raccoons here

There we go

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/surprise-raccoon-coming-out-of-the-closet-pet-raccoon-hello-hi-there-gif-14548649

[last cedar]

YESSSS

[solar zealot]

Rcoon

[static schooner]

That one scared them all away

Looks like it wants to chew my face off

[winged obsidian]

Is there a special exception for how much time you spend trying to block YouTube ads?

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/racoon-blanket-gif-22051740

Time to go to bed

[tidal bronze]

This early?

[iron granite]

Sure. I'm getting old. It's 1:50 am here and I'm just back from work

[tidal bronze]

You mean 4:50 PM

[iron granite]

Depending on the point of view

[tidal bronze]

I thought world runs on Cali clock 🤣 (well it does. )

[static schooner]

They pretend they're from the future, but they're really just going to bed early

[tidal bronze]

That's one of the best I've heard. Sorry stealing that shit.

[static schooner]

Try the steak, tip your waitresses, and such...

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/roads-where-were-going-we-dont-need-roads-what-kind-of-question-is-that-we-dont-need-roads-where-were-going-no-need-for-roads-gif-16489526

[hollow glacier]

i call this one bitey

[primal laurel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBLdQ1a4-JI&list=LL&index=14

[tidal bronze]

@forest edge did you guys fire up the 'flux capacitator" for Thanksgiving? Internet got sucked out

[forest edge]

what would a californian know about Thanksgiving? Do you even know what a turkey is?

[tidal bronze]

Not really. The wild bird? I have no idea why people would eat water and make a big deal out of it. Some deep fry the water too.

Roasted water, cranberry and stale potatoes. Yep sounds like fun 🤣

[red rock]

I also wanted to sleep early

Now it's 4:44 AM

But on the other hand, I'm eating some kebab to make sure I'll properly wake up tomorrow

[tawny ruin]

Anyone know of local controlled robot lawn mowers? Been searching for a while, but no luck. Was hoping for something like valetudo for a lawn mower.

[static schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/looking-at-something-goats-look-to-the-left-stormtrooper-star-wars-gif-25926798

[primal laurel]

Openmower

[last cedar]

https://www.reddit.com/r/trashpandas/s/2703DxP79j

[clear ferry]

Reminded me yet again about the ad I saw for Intel, they wanted a engineer with 35 years experience in die design

_you know the guy, just call him _

[static schooner]

That's what happens when HR requires you to post positions externally

Why, yes. My name IS Alfred E. Neuman

[clear ferry]

Fucking HR

https://tenor.com/view/hey-shut-up-toby-gif-27326408

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/toby-gif-22278135

[dusky plank]

can I charge a usb device from a different source than where I want the data line to go? or are tx/rx depending on the same ground?

[primal laurel]

sure, as long as you have a common ground

[dusky plank]

hm, is a powerbank which is attached to a power source the same ground as the power source data line?

I believe so, lets find out

[glacial knot]

depends

[dusky plank]

what could possibly go wrong

[glacial knot]

and we never heard of him again

[static schooner]

https://youtu.be/Z0KsgfLACjk?si=XKzD8sS2fbyM4NCc

[glacial knot]

are you posting the bakoom?

[primal laurel]

yes

[iron granite]

You have to look at the traces to debug

[orchid rose]

I regret having headphones on

[static schooner]

Unfortunately that video cut before it

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/madagscar-penguins-kaboom-gif-9833865

[red rock]

Ugh

Going out was a bad idea

I now have 1½ hours of possible sleep before I have to prepare to leave

[last cedar]

Might as well not bother!

[red rock]

I'm currently in zombie mode hahaha

Trying to find a place to check F1 online

[glacial knot]

F1 is a key in your topmost row of keys. Probably second or first from left

[red rock]

Oshit

Thanks for noticing

[glacial knot]

yw

[static schooner]

I see your raccoons and raise you a baby otter:

Apparently an otter keeper gave this baby otter a sock to keep warm. She later turned it into a onesie with holes for the hands, feet, and tail

[last cedar]

OH MY GOD

I do also have a soft spot for otters

[static schooner]

The tail!

[red rock]

Nice to see an otter side of you

[last cedar]

😄

The short clawed ones are just adorable

[static schooner]

I've been enjoying this account: https://www.threads.net/@in_otternews

[glacial knot]

are you aware of https://www.twitch.tv/marinemammalrescue

[static schooner]

OtterTV

[last cedar]

There is a lady in England called Daphne Neville, she kept and reared otters. Anyway, long time ago my mum reached out to her, as she loved otters, and we went to stay with them a few times. Must be more than 25 years ago.

My dad remembers trying to fix some fencing in the otter enclosure... and they kept stealing his tools 🤣

[clear ferry]

https://www.yubico.com/my/store/2023/cyber-week/

[glacial knot]

Oh wow, that's a bad deal
Buy one get 1 50% off? So, buy 2 pay 1.5

[hollow glacier]

https://www.reddit.com/r/KidsAreFuckingStupid/comments/17ytnfe/hes_my_fffriend/

[tropic delta]

There is always that one person who just needs to get it working quickly ... 😱

[static schooner]

Well, start toggling some lights!

[red rock]

Hahaha what

Does this also have discovery, aka, can I use this for getting a lot of testdata for my system

[tropic delta]

I guess you could 😅

[red rock]

Looool

[iron granite]

Haunted House

[primal laurel]

Successrates of ChatGPT code generation for a bunch of programming languages

C++ is shockingly bad, julia is the best haha

[winged obsidian]

Possibly a function of how much bad code was input to the training set.

[primal laurel]

Then python should have been the worst but it's not

[mossy rose]

wth is Julia

not another language

[mossy rose]

The Python help that GPT gives is pretty good imo. It can throw you for a loop for a few hours, but then you're forced to be more innovative or rtfm.

[glacial knot]

Do you know the test harness for this?
IME the AI stuff is very subtle when it's wrong. And automated testing might miss it at times

[primal laurel]

Mostly used in scientific computing and data science. It's basically a super fast python. Very important for my work, not so much for most people

[primal laurel]

Yeah, I will link the paper

[red rock]

https://twittpr.com/JKCTech/status/1726327436495692114?t=oluAWxMoaYx6zF6MAAkrMw&s=19

[pseudo tartan]

I have a question.
I have put my PI in an aluminum housing.
As a result, the WLAN reception is very poor.
Which USB antenna can I use as an alternative for HA?

[clever mortar]

Use wired, not wifi, but also ... #hardware-archived

[clear ferry]

Also... Why would anyone put an electronic device in an aluminium housing?

[clever mortar]

Cooling? To look cool?

Blocking those pesky EM waves?

[primal laurel]

https://www.stochasticlifestyle.com/chatgpt-performs-better-on-julia-than-python-and-r-for-large-language-model-llm-code-generation-why/

there is more interesting stuff here

[clear ferry]

Ah, subpar products need cooling yes, or to be made to look cool

[clear ferry]

Magic billy, with his wheelchair, picking up all this stuff in the air, oh billy comes face to face with outer space

[pseudo tartan]

Yes for passiv cooling.

[clever mortar]

Well, #hardware-archived can help you, but honestly, wire it

[pseudo tartan]

Ok, I will ask in #hardware-archived

[glacial knot]

https://github.com/abuscemi02/A-Comparative-Study-of-Code-Generation-using-ChatGPT-3.5-across-10-Programming-Languages 😦

[primal laurel]

?

[glacial knot]

Clicking through to the source leads to an empty repository 😦

some of the security prompts actually look interesting
I wanted to read if they are actually done well

[primal laurel]

ah

you could always email the author, im sure they have the code somewhere

[glacial knot]

Talking to people? Crazy talk

[primal laurel]

people who are passionate about their work love to answer quesitons is my experience

[clear ferry]

people who are passionate about their work are usually not open to critizism and very defensive

😉

[primal laurel]

That's not compatible with science, otherwise you will never make progress

[clear ferry]

That's why we have middle management and forced meetings

[primal laurel]

I don't

[finite atlas]

home idea for you @last cedar

[hard crow]

Could I connect something like this to wled? Not sure if they're doing some weird proprietary stuff

Trying to find wled suitable rgbic string lights for my tree

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/ken-jeong-community-too-small-to-read-read-reading-gif-5494204

[fallow galleon]

Is chatgpt working for you guys? I can't sign in

[static schooner]

I wonder if it's related to all the nonsense over the weekend

[iron granite]

I'm innocent, I promise

[young sigil]

I use these for tree lights: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32625011824.html Works with WLED and you can get them with green wire if you search around.

[iron heart]

I don't use it

[red rock]

I mean, the saga continues

[orchid rose]

Very useful, thanks 🙂

[red rock]

He will now be head of a Microsoft research office

[orchid rose]

Oh did that just happen?

[static schooner]

it's been a rollercoaster

[red rock]

And 500 of the 700 OpenAI employees are willing to switch to that team

[orchid rose]

Oof, RIP non-profit

[static schooner]

I feel bad for the OpenAI folks. It's not really like they just all resign and immediately get rehired somewhere else

I mean, that sounds good and all, but they're not all Sam

[red rock]

Euh

Microsoft said they will hire any OpenAI employee

[static schooner]

ok, well that's promising

it's hard to keep up 🙂

Is chatgpt working for you guys? I can't sign in
maybe we found out that Sam Altman hosted ChatGPT on his personal machine and he just took it home

[orchid rose]

Can't wait for the eventual book and movie about this clownshow

Probably written and directed by ChatGPT9 Bing

[primal laurel]

working here

[fallow galleon]

Now it's working. Thanks

[primal laurel]

really seizing the opportunity huh

cant blame them

[red rock]

Yep haha

[orchid rose]

This seems like such an incredible misstep by OpenAI that I might need my tinfoil hat

[hard crow]

thanks! i was able to find these on amazon for 3x the price, but i do need them soon haha

[blazing musk]

I'm enjoying the long string of C-suite/board follies this year

[last cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/racoon-dumpsterracoon-gif-27182277

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/police-racoon-dust-bin-police-racoon-racoon-dustbin-dustbin-trash-racoon-gif-26093417

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/knock-knock-raccoon-trashpanda-hello-trashcan-gif-19328568

[solar zealot]

racoon time

[late gate]

Any of you with some experise of opnsense? I have a couple of questions. Does anyone know if its possible to setup a backup of custom files of opnsense from the GUI? Im alright with reinstalling with the xml, but then I wont get backup of some tuning files that I would like to restore. Also 2. Can syslog-ng on opnsense be used as recieving log manager? The router will be the one that is most up, so using it as the logging hub would be clever I think

[clear ferry]

The complete backup contains everything

And can be scheduled

And no, syslog-ng is the client

You could spin up a jail with syslog I guess, but that makes little sense, any system can be the syslog destination, and the router logs would be the top 3 interesting ones

[late gate]

I decided to run syslog on a pi instead, along with the UPS. It will send one stream to the free online loki instance and one to my graylog and zabbix

the pi got an LTE connection in case everything crash

so its my best fallback service

would you say a pi3 is too weak for hosting micro services like syslog-ng, nut and such?

or just get a pi4 or 5?

or an orangepi or something

I have an orangepi 3+, and I think its sligthly better than the pi3?

[clever mortar]

Three would be ok, but if you have better, why not use that?

[late gate]

I dont have any pi4 right now, as I sold them off

but got a 5 coming in, I think this month that I was planning to use as a "core" computer

[distant junco]

Does it have to be a SBC? If not buy a "real" PC

[late gate]

because it supposed to be a super small distaster machine

*disaster

a pc is alright, but I want something extremely simple for that job

I have 6th gen i3 nucs, and I can use that if I want, but it might be too complex and high power usage vs a pi

originally I had the syslog-ng on my 12th server, but then I started thinking what happens if all goes down, router, docker, vm etc

then you need a fallback

[late gate]

but the best question right now syslog-ng or rsyslog? seems like most guides use rsyslog

[clear ferry]

I prefer rsyslog

[glacial knot]

Explain

[clear ferry]

Habit i guess

I've used it for so many years

Tried doing ng, didn't like it

[umbral cliff]

What's the difference

[late gate]

I think they are very similar. The one thing that bugs me with syslog-ng is its two verison. one commercial and one open source, where the commercial have better performance

[ocean oar]

The configuration syntax for syslog-ng is MUCH nicer if you're doing anything even vaguely complicated though

[late gate]

That I fully agree with you

I was planning to use syslog

to do the log gathering, and promtail for tuning

but I notised the syntac tjhe rsyslog was bad

[clear ferry]

Kids these days

In my day we had to compile configuration

[red rock]

Feel old yet?

[clear ferry]

Yes

I've done that for 20 years already

[glacial knot]

XMonad user detected

[clear ferry]

Did you say sendmail?

[late gate]

Ou of the following: Intel® Core™ i3-6100U . Core i3-1215U, CPU I5-7400T(35W) or i5-2410M. Those are the ones I have at home. Is any of them too weak for Home Assistant for any load? Which one would you choose?

[clever mortar]

You can search for their CPUMark and find out yourself

A Pi4 scores around 900

[late gate]

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/2623vs4754vs2889vs796/Intel-i3-6100U-vs-Intel-i3-1215U-vs-Intel-i5-7400T-vs-Intel-i5-2410M

I dont think its a question that the i3 12gen is superiour

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-stewart-mild-shock-shocked-shock-mild-gif-5292523

https://tenor.com/view/barney-stinson-himym-new-new-is-better-gif-12563747

[late gate]

yeah, but that much better is suprising

i3 is always the base stuff

[clear ferry]

It's still 6 - SIX - SECHS - SEKS - 六 generations newer

Than the comparable i3

And 10 generations newer than the oldest

[dusky plank]

intel still power hungry AF

[clear ferry]

The 13th gen Intel with e \ p cores is much nicer than the comparable AMD one tbh

[dusky plank]

i have a 13700k, not much better in baseline power consumption than a 6th gen

[clear ferry]

what is your definition of baseline ? 35w ? :p

[umbral cliff]

I know someone who wanted to disable the E cores. So only P cores lol

[clear ferry]

knobhead

let me guess, he plays fortnite or minecraft

or runs haos

[dusky plank]

given I can charge my macbook from my phone - way lower than that

[umbral cliff]

No Linux user. Developer too

Doesn't think E cores are actually good

[clear ferry]

might be dellusional

[umbral cliff]

They do use Linux

😋

Well more specially they use arch I believe

[clear ferry]

there we go

that's an own brand of mental illness

[glacial knot]

Just assign a cpuset cgroup for tasks you want on pcores only

[clear ferry]

This guy cgroups

[glacial knot]

Professionally even

[clear ferry]

cgroup me like one of your french processes

[glacial knot]

UwU

[clear ferry]

In todays weird 3d print finds

https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:6315111

[solar zealot]

a character design to remember

[clear ferry]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PK9RzSl9O0

Good thing I know now, I'll tell my customers to migrate to Apple servers and go for 512GB instead of 1TB

they'll save a lot of money

[primal laurel]

the thing is most apple customers aren't technical enough to understand what this means anyway. If you have very efficient use of big L1, L2, L3 caches on your CPU then yes you may need less memory. But memory is like money. You can do whatever you want, and there is no problem until you run out completely

[clear ferry]

You could scratch Apple from that statement

and it would still be true

you could also add pro\consumers as a denominator

and it would still be true

[primal laurel]

perhaps. Still apple is the worst in my experience

[glacial knot]

How do you reduce memory requirements with caches?

[primal laurel]

mostly by reusing data efficiently

[clear ferry]

branch prediction, optimized caching, big enough cache to actually not have to discard and re-poll

The latest AMDs have like 300+MB cache if I remember correctly

yeah, 384MB

[primal laurel]

yeah they've been increasing the caches to some crazy amounts recently

they never were this big

[glacial knot]

If the cache is big enough, you might be able to avoid some copying for locality
But I wouldn't expect anyone to actually do that outside software that already optimizes for micro arch

[clear ferry]

We had 32MB on itanium already in 2012

Which was a lot if I remember correctly

yeah, xeons were mostly 20MB at the time

It wasn't until v4 they surpassed itanium cache

so 2016 then

after development was basically ended on itanium

[primal laurel]

usually it's up to the compiler to do that. But apparently apple added some of their own magic

I'm definitely not an expert ofcourse, I took a course on ASIC design and CUDA programming in uni where I needed a lot of these tricks

[clear ferry]

You should have seen the 32 A100s I installed a few weeks ago

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/laying-down-money-cash-rich-feeling-it-gif-17083476

[clear ferry]

Was only 1.2M USD

not that bad

[dusky plank]

almost a macbook

[prisma briar]

Lol, I got pulled into a meeting with another department to answer questions about a coworker's project at the last minute. I told them I didn't really know anything about it's current status or implementation, they didn't care. I proceeded to answer everything for five minutes as 'Not sure, I'll reach out and check." before they moved on to something else.

Stupidest meeting ever

If they'd given me notice I could have got an update from him but he's out today so not much I can do

[ocean oar]

1152MB on the top end X-SKU Epycs 🙂

[late gate]

Those aliexpress minipc / routers are so horrible bad quality. Both of the ones I had (litterally unused refuse to turn on anymore)

[dusky plank]

Ha, mine worked perfect for at least two years now and you reminded me to order a replacement n100 now

[blazing musk]

I remember 8MB of SIMM RAM in my 486DX2 lol

Don't worry we'll waste it all running something in Node or Electron

[solar zealot]

Is there a buyer's guide for ha compatible gear for this black friday already?

[clever mortar]

Maybe on DrZzs or DigiBlurDIY

[ocean oar]

Our first family PC was a DX4, but same 8MB

I had to think about it, but the Epyc 9684Xs that I've been deploying at work have more RAM than my first 4 PCs had in RAM combined

[red rock]

I started this week at my old internship company again

Nothing really changed in the time I went away

(9 months ago)

And while I was there, a lot changed as I'm someone who just pushes and the rest should follow

And I'm already getting irritated by the real conservative people and I'm already getting ready to change the way we work

(as an intern)

[winged obsidian]

Had to have it

[iron heart]

Interns should be paid more than full-time staff

Push that

Everyone should agree, right :3

[primal laurel]

interns should be paid a liveable wage...

[static schooner]

exposure

[primal laurel]

I wonder if my landlord will accept that as currency

[golden wing]

one last update:

i've managed to get all of the functionality of that monstrosity in a much simpler and more reliable automation

the behavior is essentially the exact same and in some ways better

i lied, the last last update:

[low harness]

Damn fools ruining the fun for everyone.
Due to phishing attacks all local admin rights will be removed from everyone at work. Even the temporary auto-granted three hour ones.

Apparently a QR based attack. How do you even scan a qr code on a laptop?

[umbral cliff]

That's impressive lmao

[red rock]

Doves hacked by the government

[low harness]

Oh well.. I wasn't meant to have admin access anyway. They just forgot to revoke it once when I needed new graphics drivers 🤷

[clear ferry]

can't remove my admin rights if I'm not running the company image

[glacial knot]

they can disconnect you though 😮

[primal laurel]

I've seen people who scan random QR login codes with their discord mobile app, it completely bypasses 2FA

they did recover their account but only after it got banned from pretty much every server for spamming

[clear ferry]

not when I have at least three ways into the network, and jumpstations

[glacial knot]

you havn't upgraded to 0 trust yet? D:

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/Kg0I.gif

[last cedar]

I approve!!!

But I won't tell you it gets its name

[iron granite]

Foraging Raccoon or For Aging Raccoon 🤔

[prisma briar]

Huh, weird

I just smoked something on an RPi but everything I can think of to test still works fine on it

[clear ferry]

does it smell funny ?

[rugged fjord]

Can anyone fill me in as to the differences / advantages of using cloudflare vs using Nginx Proxy Manager, besides the obvious of not needing any port forwarding at all?

[iron granite]

Cloudflare did not allow media streaming through their tunnel and banned accounts for doing so. Haven't found it in their ToS anymore, but also no confirmation it would be allowed now.

[prisma briar]

I couldn't find anything that looked or smelled burned

There was a hot plastic smell when it smoked

I have a screen plugged into it that turned off too, that drew my attention then I saw the smoke and killed power. I looked over everything and found nothing off, plugged everything in one by one and everything just worked

It was on my 3D printer

[static schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-fine-gif-24177057

[prisma briar]

idk

I've never seen that smoke and not had to replace something

It happened when I bumped it but I also couldn't find any loose screws/wires/metal or anything

[late gate]

I got one of the mini computers to work. actually it was no cooling paste between the passiv heat sink and the mainboard, made it shut down. Personally I would prefer an active fan on the cpu, but dont know where to find one that would work

Now I almost feel guilty to put an 12th gen computer for just home assistant. Its a low power cpu so its not like a huge power consumption, but I will move it off the VM just of practical reasons (will have a backup for spinup though)

[quartz ether]

Used to live on here when I was first starting out with home assistant. But now with how far it has come and how simple it is there’s almost no need to visit. Other than to say Hi!

[late gate]

anyone know any PWM controllers that can control about 10 fans? Not the splitter, but something that can control each fan. I looked at aquaero 6, but its so expensive. Need to be supported by linux

[prisma briar]

Yea, idk the last time I had an HA question that wasn't looking for a device recommendation

[quartz ether]

Think a device recommendation was the reason I was active last time haha.

[blazing musk]

I had the battery controller mosfet smoke on my lolin32. Guess it couldn't handle the noisy power without a battery attached.

Everything else still works but the charge light stopped flashing

[rancid wharf]

I knew a kid named Drake. He went by "The Drake". Best story I knew of was his parent took him to a funeral home and he got on a phone and called 911 and told them there was a dead body there. The PD did stop by!

[static schooner]

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/11/23/australia-farmers-are-giving-sheep-away-for-free.html

You get a free sheep with your sheep burger, sir..

[winged obsidian]

50/50 Brewing in Truckee has a Donner Party Porter. The T-shirt says “your friends never tasted so good”

[winged obsidian]

Dammit, the sign said free RAM!

[rancid wharf]

Yep. Friends!

[clear ferry]

@quartz ether I remember you, your a nuzzie or whatever the cute term is 😄

just diy it @late gate

https://community.home-assistant.io/t/pwm-fan-control-with-esp32/222869/9

[forest edge]

tp link tapo matter plugs going for 9 bucks on amazon right now

find it odd that tp link of all companies is hitting that whole matter thing much harder than most others

[last cedar]

I have the dog on my watch, very appropriate

Animated also

[finite atlas]

is that yours?

[dusky plank]

watchdog ™

[shadow prawn]

Its more like that in Germany, with high energy prices like hell

[last cedar]

Mmm!

[clever mortar]

DM me about that if you want

DMs are open

[fathom sparrow]

Yeah, abuse after you called me an idiot? Na dude.

[clever mortar]

But if you're vnrara... this'll be a short chat 😉

[young sigil]

If you're filling requests I'd like a holiday home in the Bahamas.

[fathom sparrow]

Forum 101: don’t cal people names. It’s in the coc. You could have continued your passive aggressive responses but you took it to the next level.

Simple as that.

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/krule-john-c-reilly-what-face-reaction-gif-16881707

[tardy pasture]

Same but mine isn't animated

[glacial knot]

That's not today

[tardy pasture]

I took the screenshot a while ago. It's still on there though

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/bully-maguire-tobey-maguire-spiderman-raimi-spiderman-nowayhome-gif-24709660

[finite atlas]

sorry but i cant hear your peasants crying

my fire stove is too loud

[finite atlas]

:O

its awesome!

[iron granite]

But it lacks raccoons

[finite atlas]

it has fire!

[solar zealot]

A fire raccoon hmm..

Wouldn't that be a fox?

[forest edge]

mod dispute in OT? don't you boys have your own little channel to squabble in? lol

[iron granite]

With the missing context it looks so

[static schooner]

History has been expunged

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/i-guess-well-never-know-the-history-guy-mystery-well-never-know-will-remain-hidden-gif-19155190

"That's history, that deserves to be remembered"

[shadow prawn]

https://tenor.com/view/chuck-testa-nope-deer-gif-12031261

Just Chuck Testa

[forest edge]

"need"? I don't think so

[clear ferry]

Hey, I'll call you a goomba for not migrating to container install yet I'll have you know buddy!

Also, ILU

[primal laurel]

HAOS users

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-disgusting-david-david-rose-dan-levy-schitts-creek-gif-20256047

[iron granite]

A Firefox

[solar zealot]

🦊 maybe

[red rock]

What the hell did I miss in these messages

[iron granite]

Pretty late to the game 🤣

[clever mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/drama-llamas-llama-gif-7964403

[red rock]

Was at a concert

Nothing happens when I'm here

[primal laurel]

Somebody please start some drama for joost, thanks

[shadow prawn]

starts speaking in norwegian

[red rock]

Ei perkele

[acoustic spoke]

I can't be the only one who hates loving tech, right?

Things I learned today: my tuya app works much better with upnp enabled to show the vacuum map and where it was.

google home ecosystem works much better using the service play_media vs the "new" gui method where you can't force it to play over the public url

esp doesn't support WPA2 properly.. My devices where knocked offline when I forced them to use WPA2 on my iot network

[primal laurel]

Not using tuya is a good first step to take towards a better smart home

[acoustic spoke]

yeah but bit late to return the stuff after a while of using it

can't afford the good stuff yet

[fathom sparrow]

What “new gui” method are you talking about?

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/grrr-bambi-cute-angry-gif-13414190

[dusky plank]

🤔 lies

[prisma briar]

Yea, esp's do WPA2 just fine. Skill issue.

I've never used them with anything else

[dusky plank]

they just don't like channels 12-14

which is quite normal

[prisma briar]

There's power restrictions on those channels that make them undesirable too

14 isn't even legal in the US, I don't think

[dusky plank]

japan is the only country where 14 is used afaik

[prisma briar]

I've never heard of anything using it. Wikipedia says it's only used for .11B in Japan

Not even .11G

[dusky plank]

who has ever gotten in trouble with wifi channel use though?

[prisma briar]

I've increased transmitter power on APs beyond what was legal before, but I found increasing it on devices was damn near impossible.

Never got in trouble

Never tried using forbidden frequencies though

[dusky plank]

my drone / remote puts out 4 times of what is legal here, and the airport 2km away didn't care yet. neighbors wifi gets knocked out while in use hehe

[prisma briar]

If someone did that to me I'd probably file an FCC complaint

At least if it was recurring

[dusky plank]

I just took off one or two times at home, its not routine definitely not

whenever there is a major crash on the highway next to me I get some pictures thats about it

[prisma briar]

I've had my Unifi APs log errors about high interference before. I also had to manually select 5GHz frequencies because a nearby airport radar keeps triggering it to shut some frequencies down

DFS or whatever those frequencies are called

[forest edge]

gotta say black friday this year is kind of trash. course the whole inflation bs didn't help anything

@tidal bronze did see this and thought it looked right up your ally as being an overpriced pos lol https://www.amazon.com/WiiM-Pro-Chromecast-Multiroom-Compatible/dp/B0BJDY6D1W?th=1

[acoustic spoke]

Using the big +media button where HA is supposed to automatically select the media file vs. Service

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/f-bi-raid-swat-gif-11500735

[late gate]

not too bad, the i3 12th gen HA computer using 11W with a fan on full power. Better than my NAS that idle on 200W

[primal laurel]

wonder what my green draws

[clear ferry]

I spun up my lab yesterday, I probably had 1800w draw

[late gate]

I feel its the drives that really pull a lot of energy

I have the 10 7200rpm drives and 4 U2 drives that seem to pull a lot

[clear ferry]

Actually 1900+

I have 24x7200 8x15k and 24 SSDs in production

Plus the lab has 2xSSD and 3x10k per box

[late gate]

you have free electric or something?

[clear ferry]

No

I just don't care frankly

[red rock]

In finland you get money for electricity today

[late gate]

is it any array spindown function in ZFS so I can stop the drives ad mostly its just read from them. most I/0 is on the ssd array

[clear ferry]

We get that quite often @red rock

[clear ferry]

dont

[red rock]

I know, but this time its because of administrative error

A company provided the info that they will deliver like 5.7MW / 10MW (the amount Finland usually uses)

[clear ferry]

Lulz

[red rock]

And they don't deliver that much

[late gate]

the price right now here is 1.1840 NOK/kWh

[clear ferry]

well

yes

but not really

we are capped at 0.7nok + 10% of the above

so you are paying 0.75NOK

[low harness]

And not just a little bit either. It's like -300 eur/MWh or something, right?

[red rock]

203,40

minus

[low harness]

500 even

Apparently someone made a sell bid by mistake for power that doesn't exist...

[primal laurel]

Same thing happened in NL last summer, multiple times. But that was because of too much solar

[red rock]

loool

Love that it's capped at 500

[low harness]

Yeah, negative prices has been seen quite a bit recently, but not like this.

[primal laurel]

Yeah this is because of a mistake in the e-program I think

[low harness]

I hope it caps the other way too...

[fathom sparrow]

That’s the exact same service

[acoustic spoke]

With the media selection I can't force it to use my public facing link which causes the group not to play correctly.

With manual/old mode I can force it to play via my public facing url

[acoustic spoke]

The backend is tho

ik can't use the top one without ammending it to be a public url

[clever mortar]

Cough that's off-topic for off-topic 😛

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

[acoustic spoke]

😂

[fathom sparrow]

That’s googles limitation, and it doesn’t need to be public it needs SSL

#integrations-archived to talk more

[acoustic spoke]

Was just venting. Ill check the documentations

[orchid rose]

Having something like your setup today would have netted me a fortune today. Someone fucked up on the Nordpool market so electricity today was at a negative 50c/kWh lol

Norwegian company subsidizing our electricity 🙏

[clear ferry]

yeah, that would be great

I should power up my lab whenever prices are negative

and power them down again afterwards

[primal laurel]

really need energy management in HA

[static schooner]

Weird economy you guys have there...

[primal laurel]

why?

[ocean oar]

Very few people where I am sign up for those kind of power plans where the spot electricity market is in any way linked to consumer pricing.
(Y'know, the kind where those poor people in Texas were paying $6/kWh because of capitalism gone wild)
Time-of-day pricing sure, but it's generally just flip-flopping between "day rate" and "night rate" at two different $/kWh values.

The excessive pricing happened once a couple of years ago here in NZ, although it only went up from a normal $0.25-0.35/kWh to about $1.50 at peak.
There was a minor outrage, until people were reminded they got exactly what they signed up for.

[clear ferry]

Here it is 95% variable, 5% fixed for both power and loans

Of people that is

Cheapest last few years, -$0.0005 per kwh, most expensive was around $1

My loans used to be 1.59%, now they are 4.99%

[orchid rose]

Most people will opt for fixed-rate energy prices but there is the option of going with the market price plus a premium (0.25c for me). Last couple of years have been a bit of a meme and you wouldn't normally expect these prices

[primal laurel]

It depends on what your country is doing infrastructure wise. If you have many flexible loads like an EV, a heatpump, a battery and you are able to control those devices and your country has a large share of reneweable energy then yes you can profit a lot from the spot market.

[ocean oar]

NZ is a bit weird when it comes to that kind of thing. Solar is growing. Wind is pretty established. But the significant majority of electricity production (59% right now) is hydroelectric, which of course can be ramped up and down (and quickly, unlike burning things) according to demand

https://www.transpower.co.nz/system-operator/live-system-and-market-data/consolidated-live-data

91% renewable right now, too

[primal laurel]

yes hydro is nice. We import a lot of that from norway

but we have no means of generating it ourselves

nothing economically viable anyway

https://www.tennet.eu/projects/norned

[blazing musk]

NZ always sounds like the southern hemisphere version of the NW Pacific Coast US/Canada

[static schooner]

With added sheep

[blazing musk]

Seems appropriate, was playing Catan last night

[orchid rose]

Nuclear is a bit expensive but it's really the only real alternative to fossil fuels

[primal laurel]

no, its really not. It takes many years to build and it's more expensive than solar and wind by a large margin

[orchid rose]

It's more expensive but it's more stable and more reliable

[primal laurel]

nuclear can be part of the energy mix

[orchid rose]

Then the question is how much?

From the studies I've seen, it's a pretty high number

[primal laurel]

we currently have only one nuclear power plant

there is a plan to build 2 more

but they won't be cheap and it will take around 8 years to build them I believe

in the mean time wind and solar can be build much faster, much cheaper and with lower financial risk

[orchid rose]

Are you Swedish?

[primal laurel]

Dutch

[orchid rose]

Close enough

[primal laurel]

and I am also an electrical engineer btw

[orchid rose]

I'm not trying to discredit you in any way. I just think we disagree

The issue with solar and wind is that they are inconsistent. Especially up here in the north. You need a way to provide power when both the wind and the sun are down. Which is quite often in these parks

[primal laurel]

oh no I didnt mean that, just saying it because I am working on this stuff

[primal laurel]

sure. But that's the one of the benefits of the EU interconnected power grid, you can import energy from other places

[orchid rose]

Suuuure that could be the case but I think we're still far from that

[primal laurel]

no not at all

it's happening right now, in exponentially bigger amounts

[orchid rose]

Hopium. I wish I could be that optimistic

[primal laurel]

how is that hopium?

it's already happening

not hope, reality

[shadow prawn]

Yeah Germany is importing tons of nuclear energy from France

[primal laurel]

https://transparency.entsoe.eu/transmission-domain/physicalFlow/show?name=&defaultValue=false&viewType=GRAPH&areaType=BORDER_CTA&atch=false&dateTime.dateTime=24.11.2023+00:00|CET|DAY&border.values=CTY|10YNL----------L!CTA_CTA|10YNL----------L_CTA_CTA|10YDE-EON------1&dateTime.timezone=CET_CEST&dateTime.timezone_input=CET+(UTC+1)+/+CEST+(UTC+2)

here are the cross border flows between control areas in the ENTSO-E regions

essentially the power at each time unit at the interconnectors

so you can see what's being exchanged between countries in real time

[shadow prawn]

But if there’s a moment long not enough wind energy for europe, then there is not enough wind energy for europe, so there are more challenges we need solutions for. That can reduce things but not solve it

And Germany is like: hey we do not want to cope with a save energy supply here in Germany, france you have to do it for us

[primal laurel]

but nobody is saying you need only wind. It will be wind + nuclear + solar + gas + hydrogen + hydro + ?

[shadow prawn]

Yeah but solar is zero at night, gas is out cause co2, hydrogen has a really bad efficiency, hydro cannot be pushed any further (in germany at least), biofuels are in competition with food, nuclear is out of order (in germany)

[primal laurel]

gas is not out

[shadow prawn]

2045 it is

[primal laurel]

and yes hydrogen has low efficiency, but most of it will be imported. And a large portion of it will be generated with reneweables

[orchid rose]

This is such a complex issue that I wouldn't even know where to start. You have to take into consideration regional differences in different forms of production. Then you have to account for the means of transport for that energy. Then there's the cost of production. Take in to account the subsidies and it's just a mess especially when you consider national security

[shadow prawn]

Hydrogen is complex to transport and all other countries that could supply other countries with hydrogen should at first supply themselves with renewable energy. so it couldn’t be their first intention to supply us with renewable energy

[primal laurel]

that's why we're already writing plans now to lay out the next 30 years

[shadow prawn]

But there are some strategies with combined heat and power plants and peak load power plants that could work, we will see. And also the newest generation nuclear power plants are really promising too

[primal laurel]

we will get a hydrogen economy, like we have one for fossil fuels now

and don't forget we are spending a lot of money on load flexibility as well

we have tomato farmers who make more money participating in frequency control reserves than selling tomatoes

[shadow prawn]

We will see if that is possible, all these electrolyzers must be build first

[orchid rose]

Can you explain hydrogen for me?

[primal laurel]

morocco is leading the way currently: https://www.moroccoworldnews.com/2023/08/357268/morocco-rising-to-become-key-player-in-europes-green-hydrogen-market

[shadow prawn]

Its simple: France produces hydrogen by nuclear power plants in order to deliver it to Germany

[primal laurel]

depends what you want to know?

[static schooner]

@young sigil did you forget to release a line?
https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/24/climate/worlds-biggest-iceberg-move-intl-scli-scn?cid=ios_app

When you never seem to get further from the shore...

[young sigil]

I'm a looong way away from the Weddle Sea, opposite side of the continent in fact. Must be some other ship 🙂

[static schooner]

Yeah, I see that now 🙂

[hybrid halo]

Does Protectli ever have sales? I haven't seen anything for Black Friday / Cyber Monday. 😞

[clear ferry]

Why do you need sale for protectli when they are just rebadged AliExpress boxes and triple price?

[finite atlas]

Stabiler Schnauzer

[shadow prawn]

Easy

[grim junco]

Hi, felt it was a bit too off topic to go on general :

I want to install a hue strip to add to my future home assistant setup, but where it is positioned the only power source I got is a POE port.
The power supply for the Hue strip is designed to give 24V, 0.83A. Can I get that from a POE port ? I think I look for a POE splitter, but I'm not sure how I can get one with this specs or if it even exists.

[shadow prawn]

https://www.amazon.com/GAT-24v25w-802-3at-24-Volt-Converter-Step-Down/dp/B07FHSSPR1

You make me fix and ready

[grim junco]

Damn you're fast

No risk of frying the leds with that ? It output 25W, the leds expect 20W (?)
My bad, I'm stupid, thank you !

[young sigil]

In future #hardware-archived can help with questions like that.

[shadow prawn]

It should deliver up to 25W but if its less it is okay

[grim junco]

Noted, thought it was only "home assistant hardware" related

[hybrid halo]

Good question. I figured there’s at least a company I can turn to in the US if something goes wrong with it. But I see where you’re coming from. Do you have a similar/better machine you’d recommend?

[clear ferry]

What are your needs?

When you can buy three for the same price, the ability to get help is mostly moot

[hybrid halo]

A machine to run opnsense to do a firewall router setup.

[clear ferry]

On what connection?

With how many users?

With how many subnets locally?

Ids/ips?

Bgp ?

Heck, let's throw in "how many VPN tunnels are you gonna use?"

[hybrid halo]

It’s for a home network. 2 vlan. 1 vpn tunnel.

What do you mean by “what connection”?

[clear ferry]

Is it a 4/1 or 5000/5000 uplink?

Probably anything from a N2830 and dual nic will suit that anyway, for example

Just found this amazing item on AliExpress. Check it out! NOK785.68 31%OFF | XCY Fanless Mini PC Intel Celeron J1900 Quad-Cores 2.0GHz 2x RS232 2x LAN Windows 10 Linux Embedded IoT Industrial Computer
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mL2hFe0

Or if you want alder lake and 2.5g ports

Just found this amazing item on AliExpress. Check it out! NOK1,197.19 28%OFF | Intel N100 Celeron N5105 Soft Router Fanless Mini PC 4x Intel i226 i225 2.5G LAN HDMI pfSense Firewall Appliance ESXI AES-NI
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mKd5E6M

[hybrid halo]

I’ll have a look at them. Thanks!

I was looking on aliexpress as you suggested and found this. Might be overkill though.

Just found this amazing item on AliExpress. Check it out! $176.84 46％ Off | Micro Firewall Appliance Mini PC VPN, 12Th Gen Router PC Alder Lake i3 N305 N200 N100 AES-NI 4 xIntel 2.5GbE I226-V LAN OPnsense
https://a.aliexpress.com/_m01rBiC

[clear ferry]

It's a lot more expensive for the same hardware I posted already

[clear ferry]

My wife has also built this one, but she has all of the botanical collections

[hybrid halo]

Oh. The diff being the cpu?

[red rock]

Nice, I love the Lego plants

Apparently there's a kit to add lights to the bonsai tree

I might check if I can make my own with some ESP stuff

[clear ferry]

Yeah, for your setup N100 Vs N305 won't matter

https://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/compare_cpu-intel_processor_n100-vs-intel_core_i3_n305

I did 1000/1000 with 8 internal networks, Bgp peering internally, ad filtering and more on a j1900 for years

Ids/ips kneeled it though

[ocean oar]

Little late to the party, but is this a specific recommendation you've used, or just going on specs?
I had to find a 12V 2A one for work, went through three before I found one that was actually an 802.3at/class4 device.
First few would only negotiate 802.3af/class0 from the switch, so they could never actually deliver their rated power.

[shadow prawn]

Just Specs, never used it.

[ocean oar]

Fair enough. Would suggest caution then, because throwing the switch into an over-current loop where the port is constantly getting rebooted, while for lighting would be hilarious, is not fun overall.

[clear ferry]

Let me tell you about the arcing I had in the PSU of a A7500 switch so 128 Poe ports were able to be used as tig welder @ocean oar

[ocean oar]

Heh, that is always the fun of devices with big chungus PSUs. We had the power backplane board in a blade chassis go pop because the power connectors weren't torqued to the board up to spec.
When you've got 1300A worth of 12VDC PSUs connected, that can make a big mess.

[hybrid halo]

Okay. Looks like n5105/n100 you linked would be the one I’d get. 8gb ram/128gb nvme enough for opnsense? I read the recommendation was 8gb.

[clear ferry]

Yeah, i ran with 8 for my setup, it was never more than 60% full

Now I'm running on a EL300 with 32GB, way overkill, but I wanted some more ports and I had it laying around

[clear ferry]

Reminded me of my innate fear of DC powered servers

That shit would kill me if I had to touch it

[ocean oar]

Funnily we were talking to vendors about it recently (because it would potentially let you arrange the heat-generating parts of the rack more optimally), but doesn't work for the "normal" DC line because none of them seem to have -48VDC PSUs in bigger than 800W, and for the Gen4 Epyc stuff we just deployed 1600W is absolutely bare minimum.

[clear ferry]

Oh we definitely do I believe

Let me check

https://buy.hpe.com/no/en/options/power-supplies/server-power-supplies/flexible-slot-power-supplies/hpe-1600w-flex-slot--48vdc-hot-plug-power-supply-kit/p/p17023-b21

[ocean oar]

Alright, you have my interest now

And that's "only" 30 Amps and change at full load. No biggie

[clear ferry]

Yeah, we probably have bigger ones too

This is for single slot / dual slot

Believe we have bigger for 8 slot and more

Some of the Cray boxes probably too

[ocean oar]

I also like

HPE 800W Flex Slot Universal Power Supply providing choice of 277V AC or 380V DC input options.
Because when 48VDC seems too safe, it's good to have options...

[clear ferry]

Yeah, those are pretty cool too

The cable is weird though

And maximum 2m i believe

But yes, if you want to ditch shitty server vendors (hello dell and SuperMicro) we are always here

We don't talk about Lenovo because they aren't an option in a lot of customers

[ocean oar]

What I've always told our management is given enough servers, the management tools start to matter more than the servers themselves.
One person can manage a rack or two by hand. When you've got dozens-to-hundreds of racks stuffed full, not so much.
On that front, hate to say it but Dell has you solidly beaten, OME is a much more pleasant experience than OneView.

I actually tried Lenovo's fleet management tool, it's clearly designed by someone whose mind works very differently to mine.
Supermicro apparently have one now, which is a big improvement over the last time I tried their servers.

[clear ferry]

Oneview is dying anyway

Will only live on for darksites

[ocean oar]

Sadly, we got one of those

[clear ferry]

Compute Ops Management is the new cool

But I haven't touched it yet

I am a oneview master though and do engineering calls with them biweekly

The big issue with oneview is really very few people use it as an API aggregator, which is where it excels

Most people just do point and click

[hybrid halo]

Thanks again @clear ferry! Now I wait for December for the thing.

[clear ferry]

Ali is 10-14 days for me

[ocean oar]

To be fair, it does the thing I need most just fine. When we buy a new model of server, one unit gets set up manually (actually took a bit of testing with Epyc 9xx4 because we wanted to try the various NUMA nodes/socket options), then its full BIOS/IPMI configuration saved as a template and applied to all the other identical machines.
(usually attempt to have done this ahead of time with a PoC unit, but not always possible, especially if the final hardware configuration is a bit different to the test unit)
That day 1 onboarding / first-time configuration stuff, and then future firmware update deployment is definitely what I want to take the least time out of my life.

[clear ferry]

Yeah, if you have a lot of bare metal servers it is helpful, and staging of firmware from oneview to ilo is great

But if it is a vsphere environment you are better off with vlcm

But I do a lot of installs with ov4vc and automatic deployment of esxi from oneview too, with vcenter integration for growing and shrinking the clusters

Great for lab environments etc

[ocean oar]

Lol, lazy me ordered our new VMWare servers with ESXi installed from the factory.
Plug in. Set IP address. Connect to VCenter. Profit

[clear ferry]

LOL

I've never even seen anyone do that

And I've worked with vsphere for 16 years

[ocean oar]

Well now you have 😄

[clear ferry]

Lazy bum observed

[✓]

[ocean oar]

I'd count this as "work smarter, not harder"

Side note: loving that the embedded boot drive option (from basically every vendor) is now predominantly a RAID-1 pair of M.2 SSDs.

Grotty USB flash drives stuffed deep down in some arcane location inside the thing really was never my idea of fun

[clear ferry]

Yeah

Most of mine have done nvme / single SSD for years already

Haven't seen a new system with usb / sd in.... Probably 6years?

[hybrid halo]

I expected delivery is Dec 5-13.

Any opinions on using coreboot or sticking with AMI?

[clear ferry]

I hear a lot of people speak about coreboot, never used it, but I usually stay away from consumer stuff

[solar zealot]

likely the racoon indicator

[umbral cliff]

You know december is in 4 days right

[ocean oar]

Big, if true

[umbral cliff]

See that's just smart. Why hire them and pay them money when you can just use the stuff they help develop for free!

/S

[static schooner]

And bribe them with FRs

[cold marlin]

can anyone tell me how to rename this in bash? i cannot figure it out

Spidey.And.His.Amazing.Friends.S01E03.Doc.Ock'\''s.Super.Octopus.&.Attack.of.the.Green.Giggles.1080p.DSNP.WEB-DL.DD+5.1.H.264-playWEB.mkv

[ocean oar]

To escape single quotes "x'y" or 'x'\''y'.- you don't need to \ a single quote inside double quotes.
I think $'x\'y' also works. Isn't shell escaping fun?

[cold marlin]

lol, come on, that's ridiculous

i appreciate it

couldn't even figure out how to search it

[cold marlin]

just for posterity, i was trying to use double quotes. i used single quotes for the string above (which is how it was when i got it), and it worked without further escaping

[last cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-thirsty-gif-22619134

[clear ferry]

[clear ferry]

The best thing is to use sonarr and let it rename them all for you

[red rock]

This hahaha

[prisma briar]

I was playing with LLMs at home a few months ago and one of the things I found them to be particularly good at was renaming movies/tv shows.

[solar zealot]

Did we really come this far that we need ml to rename files?

[glacial knot]

hey, string escaping is hard

[solar zealot]

smh real humans assign uuids as filename and remember what content it is

[glacial knot]

content addressable you mean

if your file names aren't the sha256 of the file, how do you even cope?

[clear ferry]

The one place where windows users annoy *nix users to no end, with their dog damn files with spaces and dots and other nonsense

My Documents/Downloads/Very Big File.mkv

And their fetish for capitalization of folder names

[glacial knot]

just don't suck at writing bash scripts 🤦

though it is incredibly annoying when trying to read them from a file

[clear ferry]

_I'll replace you with a small bash script _

[glacial knot]

I still love our 6.5k line bash script with embedded 300 line awk scripts

[clear ferry]

You should see the 3.2MB of ansible script that my Finnish colleague has made

That auto creates Visio and word documents based on the config it creates

[glacial knot]

that sounds annoying

our ansible scripts have golang utility components though 😂

[clear ferry]

I'd share it if it wasn't proprietary

Fuck it is impressive

Makes full switch config including routing and Bgp peering and all needed ospf bits for up to 6 racks / 18 switches and upstream switches

Based on the input of three files

[umbral cliff]

File names with spaces are nice
Human readable always good

[glacial knot]

that 6.5k bash file is available to the public. But not indexed by google 😦

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/disgusting-yuck-mom-yelling-yelling-gross-gif-11857308023140336139

[clear ferry]

Best description of WSL I've ever seen

[umbral cliff]

Why hate on wsl
It works well if you just want a basic Linux terminal on windows to do nearly anything (except things like docker)

Hell it can even do GUI programs

[glacial knot]

it's amusing that the best productivity feature of windows is pretending to be windows 😂

WSL2 should be able to docker

[clear ferry]

_windows users hate this one trick _

Install native Linux on the machine

[red rock]

Unless you have VPN

My apt just doesn't work when I turn on my VPN

I just want to develop HA stuff while being on the company network

[umbral cliff]

Unless you really don't want to
Which is me, I don't want to run linux 100% of the time, have done so, only caused headaches

[umbral cliff]

Sure your work VPN isn't just blocking it?

[red rock]

Yep

Proxy stuff is fucking me over

[umbral cliff]

What fun

[unique heath]

Getting so frustrated, trying to set up nspanel with lovelace and appdaemon but can't get my display to show anything except Waiting for content...

[forest edge]

anyone using or used Scrypted?

[dusky plank]

Yes

[forest edge]

you using it for homekit or google? or other

can't imagine anyone actually using it over frigate for the nvr part

[dusky plank]

it allows for homekit secure video

which the others don't

[last cedar]

heavy breathing

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/wood-chipper-problem-solved-solution-modern-gif-13731233

[clear ferry]

Wife just told me that she saw a discussion about someone saying that you should put dishes dirty in the dishwasher to learn it how to dishwash

Today I learned that a stepper motor can learn

Thank Dog they don't work in ML

[tidal bronze]

Thanks for that man. Was looking for a few.

[forest edge]

yea I thought maybe you'd want to buy like a 1000 of them to install all around your neighborhood so you can make everyone else suffer listening to your poka

really is the worst black friday and cyber monday I have ever seen. I almost always find something that I may not actually buy but know is a good deal but this year everything is absolute trash lol

[static schooner]

Apparently sales were strong anyway. Capitalists gonna capitalist

[forest edge]

that don't mean anything, returns are still just as easy and likely still gonna be just as abundant

[clear ferry]

Both black week / Friday and cyber Monday is a joke in Norway

They raise the prices before

Then lower them miniscule

[forest edge]

everything is a joke in norway

I like how many of the initial statistics data of black friday sales is explicitly mentioning gen z being part of the "increase" in sales

[glacial knot]

Norwats don't deserve deals

[forest edge]

now steam has some decent deals but since the majority of the game that have been released and going to be released are broken trash.. it like counter blanced the deals

[clear ferry]

We just have too much money

Don't need deals

[umbral cliff]

Surprised that's not illegal

[clear ferry]

Well, it is frowned upon, but all webshops and physical shops in norway are constantly monitored

so we can just check

if it actually is a good deal or not

[umbral cliff]

The government doing that?

[clear ferry]

No, webpages do it, multiple

For example

https://www.prisjakt.no/product.php?p=5855366

[umbral cliff]

So that's not special then

[clear ferry]

No but it might be more used here perhaps

[umbral cliff]

I'm still surprised it's not illegal
Even in Australia it's illegal if it's not at the new non sale price for a reasonable period beforehand or if the sale price is actually the normal price for the item

[ocean oar]

Hey that's cool. They use the same product IDs across the various international versions of the site.
Sonos Beam also #5855366 on the NZ one: https://pricespy.co.nz/product.php?p=5855366

[clear ferry]

Interesting

Makes sense though

[ocean oar]

Even those kind of rules lead to some weird patterns though. Things aren't allowed to be "on sale" more than 50% of the time here in NZ.
One place it's really obvious they're gaming it is cans of Coke. Supermarket will usually have 18 packs and 24 packs. One week it'll be $18/18 and $28/24, the other it's $22/18 and $24/24.
Technically each is only on sale half the time, but you can always get Coke for $1/can.

[clear ferry]

hah

that is hilarious

[clear ferry]

Starting to get documentation on my PDU so I can monitor my power draw individually more in HA

[clear ferry]

This gave me weird Nokia phone vibes

[low harness]

They did make some weird stuff...

[umbral cliff]

Same

[iron heart]

Oh boy, here's murica's fake sales:

It's not even a sale

Just msrp

Also this violates Amazon's seller agreement because the listing MUST be priced lower than any other online shop

[last cedar]

You need a more efficient tape

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/fixed-gif-14953349

[iron heart]

Radial interfaces are waaay more efficient

It's just difficult to program them or something

[solar zealot]

I kinda feel like zima*(board) stuff cannot really be trusted

Plenty of non consistent stuff in their article specs and advertisement

[clear ferry]

Oh, fun fact, I'm invited by the Norwegian Ministry of technology to have a discussion about internet of things, smart houses and politics about such technology in Norway

I almost forgot until I got a reminder email now

[prisma briar]

The way you phrased that makes it sound like it could either be you giving a lecture on IT security or you getting a pamphlet from the government on not opening ports and turning off UPnP

[finite atlas]

shill him about how awful raspberry pi's are