the-water-cooler

[ocean oar]

(It's mounted under the house, due to a lack of space inside the house. Therefore I chose a large IP54-rated outdoor cabinet, with 2mm thick solid steel walls)

I do note that unlike the ubiquitous Ethernet Zigbee coordinators, it's not PoE either. That seems like a missed trick

[mental peak]

How can I use SMS 2FA without a SIM card?

I got rid of my phone, but now I'm locked out of all my financial accounts

[clever mortar]

eSIM?

Of course, that assumes you can get your old number back, which is bloodly unlikely

You are, almost certainly, up shit creek without a canoe, never mind a paddle - unless you can get them to turn off 2FA on your accounts

[dusky plank]

That is a eerily precise description of that situation

[clever mortar]

I mean, turning off your cell service while having only SMS based 2FA for any accounts is bad planning. Doing that for your financial accounts takes that to a whole 'nother level.

[static schooner]

For most of my accounts, I disconnected SMS 2FA from my phone via Google Voice. There are still some that don't work with it, though

SMS 2FA is just a bad idea for more than just that reason, though

[clever mortar]

Sadly it's also the only 2FA many backwards places offer

[dusky plank]

I think its a EU thing where you are obligated to have 2 different apps, one for banking and one for auth

Its so strict some of the banks here will not allow android for whatever reason beginning with december or something

[clever mortar]

Weird... not a problem here AFAIK

Hell, 99% of my banking is done on my Android 😄

[dusky plank]

I have not yet looked into it but they sent the info out

[primal laurel]

not allow android, wdym?

[glacial knot]

Can you post that? I have access to google's internal bug tracker and if there's a real issue, it might make sense to look into that

[prisma briar]

I'm surprised the EU doesn't have some law that apps like that need to be available on all mainstream platforms

I'd change banks if mine discontinued the Android app, heh

[subtle pasture]

My bank only supports SMS 2FA, and you can't disable it once enabled. Lose access to your phone? Better hike your ass down to a branch office with ID...

Supposedly they'll also let you buy a $100 hardware token, but they don't make it easy.

Yubikey support? Nope...

[clever mortar]

At least mine supports their own app, SMS, and email

[subtle pasture]

Their app just triggers an SMS -_-

[glacial knot]

I have chiptan which I can use at any point it would do 2FA
Or use the App

[clever mortar]

The banks here have a little card reader you can enter a code and your card pin into, which gives you another code to use for verification with - to prove you have the card (and pin)

[subtle pasture]

Also infuriating is that the SMS message they send is one character too long for the notification toast, so you can read all but the last digit of the MFA code. Gotta expand the full notification shade to see the entire code.

[prisma briar]

My bank does SMS and e-mail. I'm sure they're not perfect but from what I could find Verizon was about the best cell provider I could get in regards to hijacking protections, before I was with Verizon I used Google Voice for all my 2FA SMS.

[prisma briar]

I have a CC through another bank and they'll let you do 2FA by tapping the NFC on the card to the phone

[prisma briar]

I have it disabled though because it kept opening the bank app whenever my phone was near the card

[dusky plank]

The mobile payment function in George for Android smartphones will expire on December 31, 2023 and will be terminated for the cards digitized there at the end of the year. It will therefore no longer be possible to pay with this function from 1.1.2024.

[glacial knot]

sounds like they are retiring their non-GPay payment app, not anything related to the banking app 🤔

[dusky plank]

George for Android is the banking app

[static schooner]

It always a race for me to memorize the code when the notification pops up or type really fast :). I hate it when it comes as a big message and the code doesn't fit in the notification at all 🙂

[prisma briar]

Do your guys's phones not give you a button to copy just the code on the toast notification?

[dusky plank]

We don't do sms 2fa here

[glacial knot]

don't think so. Though if it's for an app, the app usually requests access to scan for their 2FA and I never need to touch it

only things that do are 'murican apps 😆

[prisma briar]

Yea, people over here don't seem to really understand information security

[static schooner]

If it comes through as a real SMS to the phone, yes. But not with my Google Voice strategy

[iron granite]

SMS 2FA has been retired by my bank long time ago. I have the choice between app based 2FA or a physical TAN generator and bank card.

[prisma briar]

I wish places here supported alternate methods

At least TOTP should be mandated

A vocal minority over here seem to think that any system like that is the government trying to track them and should be banned and not trusted

[hollow glacier]

https://octoprint.org/blog/2023/10/26/we-need-to-talk-about-funding/ sharing for 3d printer nerds

[dusky plank]

why is there a finder icon showing in the apple event

i thought "scary fast" refers to a eventual M3, I'm confused

[static schooner]

It used to be the logo of the Mac in general. I guess it's just their version of a jack-o-lantern

[dusky plank]

lel, I googled "jack-o-lantern" and there is a easter egg showing

[static schooner]

I get a valid search + Google shenanigans

[bright cave]

Is https://hacs.xyz/ down for anyone else?

[ocean oar]

Well the web server is responding, but is sending a 0-byte document

[static schooner]

Time for the experimental-pocalypse?

[finite atlas]

works on my machine

[elfin slate]

thank goodness for not having all my smart eggs in one basket. Hue's auth portal is throwing "Internal Edge Error" messages and causing their apps to appear logged out. thanks Auth0 by Okta.

[ocean oar]

https://www.cloudflarestatus.com/incidents/l6x2h1zp69bc
^^ 33-minute outage of some Cloudflare services

[teal torrent]

why does nanoleaf gotta be like this

only 3 devices make up that whole first row

I dont even know what the implications of having a device be this aggressive is

[umbral cliff]

It could well be just an online check that it's doing
Which without network means it tries excessively often which wouldn't surprise me

[teal torrent]

it has network

its just being blocked

oh I think see what you are saying

apparently that domain doesnt even resolve to anything though

[umbral cliff]

If you're trying on your own network then you'll be blocked by the same method the bulb is

[teal torrent]

no I did some google searches about it

oh my goodness there may be a new update for them that resolves this

9.2.4 (2023-10-19)
- Minor bug fixes and improvements```

cute

[elfin slate]

• first time buying a home; 48 year old furnace refuses to start on inspection before first winter
• get furnace replaced; costs most of your savings
• furnace includes wifi and touch screen thermostat; only model in its line that has cloud API only instead of cloud/local
  suppose having heat is better than not 😄

[tardy pasture]

• Cloud server goes offline; furnace no longer turns on; back to step 1

[red rock]

Except that point will probably be earlier than 48 years

[distant obsidian]

So after ~3 years of using smart radiator valves, I still don't really feel it. It is great to have them automatically turn off at night or when you aren't home, but apart from that they don't perform well imo. They are unable to gradually open the valve as well as conventional TRVs and don't heat as evenly. They are loud and malfunction or turn off when the batteries are empty. I am actually thinking about switching back to conventional valves.

What are your opinions?

It would be great if there were a TRV that is a hybrid of both worlds. One that can regulate the temperature like conventional ones and is still remotely controllable.

[umbral cliff]

Could you later change the thermostat? Or is it tied to the unit

[glacial knot]

I've only switched to them over the last winter
But already have the same feeling
Probably just not worth it

[distant obsidian]

Yep, the technology is not mature. It ist just a way to make money. Some even sell you subscriptions etc.

[solar zealot]

I love how much cheaper network cables are at hardware stores compared to tech ones

[glacial knot]

The solenoid moving an analogue bimetal Thermostat would be way better

But I also question the utility just in general
It's just not worth setting the temps often

[fresh fox]

does anyone know of some nice animatronic toys that are available in the EU and which can be repurposed as voice assistants? I have seen the Hasbro animatronic baby yoda, but that's out of the question because of a single cam wheel (so he can't do individual gestures) https://youtu.be/Cz4vGkufVy8?t=735

I've seen this bad boy which was available 8 years ago in the US https://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Legendary-Jedi-Master/dp/B00WLWEJAW/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&keywords=spin master yoda&qid=1462078970&ref_=sr_1_1&sr=8-1&linkCode=sl1&tag=wilsoncom-20&linkId=5bb4e1785fab205e755e4d00b3ec8a92 but apparently you can hardly find it nowadays and definitely not in Europe

[toxic oasis]

Maybe Lo-La59 to stay in the Star Wars universe ? Around 40€

[fresh fox]

thank you! i'll try to find what it looks like on the inside to see what can be done. I'm not necessarily hooked on the Star Wars universe, but it would be lovely

[red rock]

Wow

youre purple now

and wth

why am I blue

Oohh, members have colors now

[finite atlas]

i dont

[fresh fox]

*members on the github organization

[iron granite]

Exposed 😆

[red rock]

*core members

There are also language leaders like you that are part of the organisation, but you're not a core member 🙂

[fresh fox]

i'm a crust member

[red rock]

lmao

[static schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/earth-gif-18106784

[iron granite]

Core always needs some pressure 🤣

[toxic oasis]

https://youtu.be/BqkOuYYYRRM?si=RyFkD1f_BslKRvCe

This might help

[fresh fox]

Perfect! Many thanks!

[static schooner]

I can totally fall into a rabbithole watching Adam's videos

I spent almost an hour watching him debug and fix a problem with the settings on his lathe

[young sigil]

I'm a country member (say it three times fast).

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/star-trek-the-next-generation-data-funny-gif-15018971

[elfin slate]

luckily I can change the unit. however, I'm looking at this as a blessing in disguise. I get to help troubleshoot an under-tested integration for it in HACS.

[orchid rose]

Skip the Apple propaganda piece they just recently posted though, that was big cringe. Justifying the price of a 120$ Apple lightning cable by comparing it to a 3$ USB power cable

[primal laurel]

yeah that price is absolutely ridiculous

[static schooner]

Yeah, he's been doing a bunch of sponsored stuff lately

He has endless material of him answering questions or building/fixing stuff in his cave that holds my interest and seems genuine

I found his podcast to be insufferable praise for random things and often descended into name dropping and historical film references that were lost on me, but that was years ago. Do YMMV with AS content

[orchid rose]

I've watched a lot of his videos on YT and those are quite enjoyable. Never tried his podcast

[static schooner]

looks like they killed it back in Jan 2021:

Adam and Norm have an announcement to make--this will be the final episode of The Adam Savage Project. After 8 years of recording the podcast, we're refocusing our energies on other Tested projects including the bi-weekly livestreams. It's been a wonderful and amazing run--thanks so much for listening!

[ocean oar]

I always enjoy the "oh shit I bought another tool, better build a nice new cabinet for it and the other similar tools" videos.

[static schooner]

Any AS drinking game has to have 'first order retrievability' on the board

[prisma briar]

The couple 3D printer reviews I watched of theirs seemed to be mostly fluff pieces too

Lots of listing features, little actual review

[hollow glacier]

Prepared for candy duty

[prisma briar]

I haven't had any kids show up in the last three years so I didn't buy anything

Always ended up eating it all

[hollow glacier]

i had 30-50 last year i think

[prisma briar]

That reminds me though, I need to kill my porch light automations

[static schooner]

I ate most of mine already and contemplated buying more this morning, then decided that (simillarly), nobody comes down my long driveway anyway

[prisma briar]

I'm at the end of a cul-de-sac that's only accessible from a rather busy main road so nobody walks down here

[static schooner]

parents drive kids around these days

the world has changed

[prisma briar]

Weird.

[static schooner]

I guess it's more neighborhood to neighborhood

[orchid rose]

helicopter trick-or-treating? 😬

[clever mortar]

We had about a couple of hundred kids last year, this year for some reason it was about half that

[prisma briar]

Parents were always with their kids when I went trick or treating as a kid

[clever mortar]

We have a lot of sweets left 😄

Yeah, younger kids have parents/older siblings with them normally here

[static schooner]

they must have found somebody else giving out full-size candy bars and such

like: #the-water-cooler message

[prisma briar]

My brother and I used to fill up a wagon with candy and drag it from door to door and go for like 3 miles each Halloween, my parents came with us until I was 7 or 8.

[iron granite]

I'm at work this night, so all candy at home for me

[prisma briar]

My neighbor used to always give out nickels and dimes for Halloween, we avoided her house.

[orchid rose]

We never celebrated capitalist holidays like Halloween when I was a kid but we did have https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virvonta where we would go bully the neighbors for candy. I don't remember anyone having parents with them

[prisma briar]

Calling Halloween a capitalist holiday seems weird to me.

[orchid rose]

Anything American would have been capitalist nonsense at the time. Just a joke

[static schooner]

commercialized by Big Candy

[prisma briar]

Halloween is Gaelic in origins, not American.

[orchid rose]

The way the stuff has found itself here is through America, but I get that

[static schooner]

somebody comes up with the holiday and Americans figure out how to make money from it

it's a gift

The Chinese are getting in on the act by creating "Singles day" out of wholecloth

[ocean oar]

The one thing I will say about American commercialism: we get a completely unnecessary set of "Black Friday" sales here in New Zealand.
Completely random and pointless, but if you need to buy something around that time of year it's nice to be able to buy it for less

[iron granite]

For some time "Black Friday" has been a registered trademark here and noone else was allowed to use that name for sales. But they lost a lawsuit and the registration has been revoked.

[forest edge]

wow paul hibbert roasted HA users lol

[iron granite]

Again?

[forest edge]

ah vid was 3 days ago.. so maybe not?

[finite atlas]

who?

[forest edge]

https://youtu.be/rRz47pDA8Jw?si=sjsmkLiporfxjQ8A&t=66

[fresh fox]

Unfortunately, same issue as baby Yoda: the animations are (beautifully) mechanical, so you can't control individual movements. More over, it has a beautifully engineered electro-mechanical registrator, which means you'd have to design an actual replacement PCB, which i think is too much of a hassle

[crisp oriole]

https://mastodon.social/@sjvn/111330852650542227

[teal torrent]

I wish there was a word to express the joy I feel of having my network operating in perfect harmony

[forest edge]

wish I could say the same about my zigbee network

[red rock]

Luxury

Luckily I have a party in my building

[subtle pasture]

There is, it's "temporary"

[orchid rose]

I mean the "roast" itself has some truth to it ngl, but then he goes on to shill for some random company which takes away all credibility

[subtle pasture]

Why on Earth do these sensor pucks need an app? Just use WiFi/MQTT, Zigbee, Z-Wave, or any of the other standards that already exist. Yeesh...

[orchid rose]

Because it just works. (although it actually doesn't as he goes on to say in the rest of the video)

[subtle pasture]

Honestly, at this point, the first thing I ask before any smart-home purchase is "Does it use Zigbee/Z-Wave?" and if it doesn't, then it's "can I flash it with ESPHome or Tasmota to make it not-stupid?"

[teal torrent]

💀

[orchid rose]

But then you have to .yaml 😬

[subtle pasture]

For Zigbee/Z-Wave/Tasmota? Where?

All that shit auto-discovers

[orchid rose]

Ask Paul I guess lol. ESPHome though

[subtle pasture]

Yeah, I don't run any ESPHome devices, but the option is there 😛

Z-Wave is, hands down, the most no-nonsense and rock-solid standard I've used to date. Tasmota-flashed devices on WiFi are a close second. Zigbee is a distant third.

[orchid rose]

I haven't tried Z-Wave due to the prices but I've had issues with pretty much every type of product so far so I wouldn't say we're at a stage where I would recommend this stuff to everyone

I think we're maybe 95% there right now and zigbee has been fantastic for me

[subtle pasture]

Zigbee is let down by the fact that it's 2.4 GHz. It'd work a lot better if it were on a different frequency.

[orchid rose]

That hasn't been an issue for me at all but it could be for some sure

[subtle pasture]

Z-Wave runs on a much lower RF band, with much better wall penetration, coverage area, battery life, and update rate.

More reliable, and harder to jam

[subtle pasture]

My entire Zigbee mesh would die every time my internet dropped because my Bond Bridge would enable its setup WiFi network and drown out all Zigbee coms. lol

[orchid rose]

Big F. But how often does your Internet connection drop?

[subtle pasture]

a WAP suddenly appearing in the same closet at the Zigbee dongle was less than ideal

[subtle pasture]

Comcast, so somewhat regularly. I have a backup 4G LTE modem now.

[orchid rose]

Yikes

[subtle pasture]

Internet was out about 30 minutes last night, around 12:30 AM

[orchid rose]

It's like 1-2 times per decade here

Meanwhile my wifi connected google home devices keep hating on my OpenWRT router and drop off maybe once every other month for some reason which is super annoying

[subtle pasture]

Literally using a WiFi smart plug instead of a Zigbee smart plug to auto-reset my modem in the event of an extended outage, because the Zigbee plug wasn't reliable enough.

I'd use a hard-wired ethernet smart plug if that were more of a thing, honestly.

[orchid rose]

clearly YMMV lol

[subtle pasture]

If I had issues with WiFi I'd get a Z-Wave smart plug. They're pretty easy to find.

Anything that avoids 2.4 GHz seems to be a better bet, at least in my area.

[forest edge]

90%+ of all products do that. They are designed for the general population that dosen't fiddle with stuff like HA or any kind of custom automation

[subtle pasture]

In my experience, the general population hates the apps too

They wind up with 10 different apps and nothing works together

[forest edge]

right but what other choice do they have? not like your average joe is going to learn HA

[subtle pasture]

You can literally sync Zigbee devices directly to Echo smart speakers if you want, no app required

[forest edge]

not going to see grandma writing python scripts etc etc lol

[subtle pasture]

Pair and go, no muss to fuss

[forest edge]

zigbee atleast so far through ZHA dosen't seem too reliable to me

[subtle pasture]

The "smart hub that supports standards-compliant IOT devices" model works fine, and avoids most of the issues

[forest edge]

granted some of that might be the skyconnect dongle as well but it's the point

[subtle pasture]

I've been having issues with Hue bulbs on ZHA. I tried to transition mine over from a Hue hub, but the hub keeps trying to claim them back

The lights will periodically blink off, go unavaiable in HomeAssistant, then come back a few moments later. Stops if the Hue hub is unplugged.

[forest edge]

going to be trying zigbee2mqtt soon. shame tho

[subtle pasture]

Already tried that. Gave up and when back to ZHA.

[forest edge]

lol awesome

[subtle pasture]

"If this is what it takes to get Zigbee working, I'm replacing all my shit with Z-Wave"

Was basically how I felt 2 hours into trying to get Zigbee2mqtt to function properly

[orchid rose]

What would you recommend to your elder relatives right now Leapo? HA?

[subtle pasture]

My parents are mostly just sticking to things that work directly with Alexa, and I try to guide them towards standards-compliant devices that support Zigbee, Z-Wave, or MQTT over WiFi.

I didn't want to have to maintain an HA instance for them, but I'd set it up if they wanted

[orchid rose]

But you're a certified nerd and they are not and that's my point. It's not quite self-sustaining right now

it's getting closer

[subtle pasture]

Lutron's hardware is also solid as a rock, but it requires their own hub (which has a local API, thankfully)

[subtle pasture]

They can handle adding a new smart plug via the Alexa app and whatnot. Really, they just need to be told which hardware to avoid.

The market being flooded with crap cloud-only devices is the biggest issue right now

[forest edge]

not going to change very soon

matter is suppose to somewhat address the multiple app thing tho I thought

[orchid rose]

Why is that an issue? From the privacy or from the functionality point of view?

[subtle pasture]

Not sure why I'd use Matter over Z-Wave, still. lol

[forest edge]

price

zwave is retarded expensive

why I see less zwave stuff on shelves at big box stores

[subtle pasture]

Functionality. It sucks having devices randomly not work because some server in China is down. Or worse, having a bunch of devices stop working because the company that was hosting the cloud service closed up shop.

That's why choosing standards compliant local-control devices is important.

If I use a Z-Wave smart plug, it's never going to just stop working due to forces beyond my control in another country.

[forest edge]

actually many devices have a local api but it's just not always open

[orchid rose]

I have one chinese cloud based device I think installed with HA. It has never failed me. While I agree with the sentiment that local > cloud, I don't think it currently matters to most consumers

[subtle pasture]

HomeKit was also supposed to solve that, yet here we are...

[forest edge]

well in a sense it kind of has for apple lovers

[subtle pasture]

Yeah, except for all the IoT hardware that doesn't support HomeKit because they want you to use their cloud

[forest edge]

even apple seemed to have loosen thier grip a little to accomidate more stuff to work with it

[subtle pasture]

Still waiting for my Abode gateway to support HomeKit

Currently it's still connected to HA through the cloud. I wouldn't have bought this alarm system is HomeKit weren't promised...

But Abode just can't seem to get the feature out the door.

[forest edge]

abode is a rather small company in the grand scheme

[subtle pasture]

Can't do any reliable automation between HA and my alarm system because it depends on the cloud. Sucks...

[forest edge]

it's kind of like those chinese companies you were refering that can close up shop at any point

[subtle pasture]

Yeah, but if it supported HomeKit I'd still have a connection to HomeAssistant even if they closed...

And it was supposed to support HomeKit

[forest edge]

wll the only thing the rest of can do is vote with our wallets but while the majority still outnumbers us that don't care about cloud etc.. we will still have what we have

[subtle pasture]

I've had issues maintaining connections to my Ecobee thermostat, Abode alarm system, and LitterRobot, all due to cloud-side issues.

Thankfully the Ecobee supports Homekit, though it took several emails back and forth with Ecobee support to actually get Homekit to connect.

And due to the limitations of HomeKit, I still have to keep it connected via HomeKit and the cloud, because not all functionality is available using HomeKit.

[forest edge]

I hav not had too many issues with litterrobot

I have 3 of those plus monitoring a 4th at my moms

the remote monitoring part is nice

[subtle pasture]

Mine disconnected from the cloud for 6 hours today. Didn't get an alert that the drawer was full. Cat decided the floor was a nice place to go...

[forest edge]

ah

[subtle pasture]

Literally a shitty situation 😛

[forest edge]

well gotta least look at the thing once a day lol

[orchid rose]

Oof

[subtle pasture]

I have an automation that has Alexa verbally notify me that the drawer is full or the litter is low, every hour on the hour, until I take care of it.

[forest edge]

HA alerts drawer is full while there is atleast still 3 cycle left for it to do

[subtle pasture]

But the LitterRobot needs to be connected to the cloud for it to work, which is... stupid...

[orchid rose]

Don't you get annoyed about the nagging?

[ocean oar]

Probably less annoyed than with turds on the carpet

[forest edge]

connect an esp to the light output of the LR.. boom local notifications

[subtle pasture]

You can go by the drawer-full status, or drawer-full percentage if you want to let it roll a bit longer before emptying it.

[subtle pasture]

I'd rather Alexa nag me than have to clean cat shit out of the carpet (or worse, out of a roomba)

[forest edge]

nah by default the machine alerts full with still 2 cycles before stopping. the LR3 was the same way

[subtle pasture]

Roombas like to finger paint, doncha' know?

[forest edge]

but in HA you get like 3 cycle I think when it triggers as full

[ocean oar]

For fun, the percentage is also just an estimate on the lr3, dunno about the 4 (seems like with its weight sensor it should be able to be a proper measurement). It's just guessing at 24 cycles to full so each is ~4.1% (except when it's nearly full)

[subtle pasture]

Yeah, but you can ignore the dawer-full status and use drawer percentage instead.

[forest edge]

why would anyone do that

[subtle pasture]

Just wait for it to report 95% full, regardless of the status message

[static schooner]

my 3 just keeps monotonically increasing until it reaches 99% and I manually reset it

[subtle pasture]

Fewer trash bags used? 🤷‍♀️

[forest edge]

that makes no sense unless there is something wrong with your machine

[static schooner]

I'll clean it out, cycle/reset, and it still says it's 99% full

[forest edge]

the drawer is always packed full when it alerts full

[subtle pasture]

Mine works the same as yours, and trips the "drawer full" status well before the drawer is actually full-full

[forest edge]

you need to recalibrate

[ocean oar]

I find that once it's "full" the first time from an empty bag (~4 days, for 2 cats), I can shake the drawer to flatten the contents and reset it, takes another 2.5-3 days to actually be full

[subtle pasture]

Done that several times, it usuall reports "drawer full" status when the drawer 75% full

[forest edge]

something is off then

[subtle pasture]

And that's the LitterRobot app reporting both "Drawer full " and "Drawer 75%"

[forest edge]

you not doing the recalibrate right

[subtle pasture]

It knows the drawer isn't full, but reports full anyway 🤷‍♀️

[forest edge]

my drawer is over flowing if I let the additional 2 cycles go when I get the alert of full drawer

[subtle pasture]

I'd rather have my problem. lol

It starts complaining about a drawer-full condition well before the drawer is overflowing

[forest edge]

just a little litter.. not like poop fall down lol

[subtle pasture]

I'm running an LR4, dunno if that makes a difference

[subtle pasture]

I can confirm the LR4 uses weight to detect how full the drawer is, because it will sometimes spontaniously trend downwards after sitting for a while (urine evaporating, making the drawer lighter)

[static schooner]

it uses a laser

through the waste hole when it cycles

[forest edge]

weight and it also uses a sensor that pers down into the drawer when a cycle is at end point

the recalibrate os for that sensor

[subtle pasture]

Kinda hoping someone figures out local control for the LR4. I'd even be willing to flash it with alternative firmware to get rid of the cloud component.

And I still think it's crazy that none of the LitterRobots have a built-in audible alarm.

If the damn thing could beep on its own, we'd miss a lot fewer alerts and errors.

[alpine hare]

ARCHLNX or NIXOS as a vanity plate?

[subtle pasture]

BSD4LYF

[alpine hare]

It's available lol

[primal laurel]

Shout-out to steamdeck for doing Linux the right way

[static schooner]

lol, from Threads:

Good luck unseeing that

[ocean oar]

Lol, NZ left out again

Should just photoshop us out entirely

[static schooner]

I think I recently saw an article claiming that NZ was part of quite a large land mass that was just mostly submerged now

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zealandia?wprov=sfti1

I'm afraid that it isn't going to get better

[umbral cliff]

Who needs NZ anyway 😛

[dusky plank]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MirpRkmruOg

[shy comet]

need an army of smart home enthusiast lawyers to take that on

[static schooner]

There was quite a lot of opinion in there

The big yellow headline makes a big statement with no backing

I thought the video would have some legal substance and left disappointed

It's what I would call clickbait

[shy comet]

i awlays under the impression that reverse engineering was something protected

[static schooner]

I do agree that successfully reverse engineering an API doesn't in any way imply theft of code or IP

it's no different from buying something, taking it apart to see how it works, and using it

I don't know if this API is local or goes through the cloud, but if the latter, it seems like more of a T&C issue

[iron granite]

The video bit too much off-topic in my opinion. Too much "I may not be on Youtube for long anymore" and "Why I do what I do"

[static schooner]

What is that all about? I don't know any of the history there

[iron granite]

About how big companies bully unwanted stuff away and that he can't say everything freely on YT

[primal laurel]

Yeah it sucks

Everything to protect the bottom line

[static schooner]

It just wasn't clear to me whether the kind of diatribe in that video against Mazda was the catalyst for that and why it would jeopardize his videos. The clickbait headline followed by 'I'm not a lawyer and don't really know what I'm talking about' is poking the bear, but I don't know what could be done about it

That stuff is everywhere now

[sharp spire]

Ok so there are a lot of material design icons, but I'm not really sure the use case for "corn-off":

[dusky plank]

you can save a lot of energy by turning the corn off

[umbral cliff]

Rossmann is someone wants to complain about absolutely everything and anything

[dusky plank]

repair guys are quite similar, northbridgefix is pretty much the same

[static schooner]

I wonder what sort of threat he got

[amber chasm]

Thats for no-nut November

[low harness]

Resuming a youtube video. 10+10 seconds of ads. Playing for 3 seconds. 5 + 15 seconds of ads. Rewinding because I wanted to watch it from the start. 20+20 seconds of ads.
Was it always this bad or is this really the beginning of the end?

[dusky plank]

uBO for the win

[low harness]

I turned that off a week ago or so. Waiting for things to stabilize.

I found a plugin that mutes and auto-clicks the skip button, though.

[primal laurel]

Ubo is fine again

Been using it for at least a week with no issues anymore

[primal laurel]

I see HA logo everywhere now

[iron granite]

That's the logo of HA's evil brother

Hell Assistant

[primal laurel]

at least it's blue... somewhat...

[crisp oriole]

Hell Assistant. where you need to replace the melting tempature sensors every hour.

[fervent field]

Wouldn't like to drop this mug. https://home-assistant-store.creator-spring.com/listing/home-assistant-new-2023-logo?product=1695

[ocean oar]

What's the difference between deer nuts and beer nuts?
||Beer nuts are over a dollar, while deer nuts are under a buck.||

[primal laurel]

sumin came in the mail today

[static schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/ball-balls-tickle-testicle-funny-gif-12491053

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/police-officer-super-troopers-security-state-park-gif-15950814341302266843

[red rock]

https://twittpr.com/mattjay/status/1719761038864679400

[tidal bronze]

@forest edge wifi glitched, welp it's you 🙄

Wondering if AM works there?

[static schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/ancient-aliens-gif-19210634

[forest edge]

if your location is the plane icon you need to go back to school for geography lessons lol

[static schooner]

It's all just cornfields

I've lived not too far away from that line. Corn. All corn.

[forest edge]

Corn and wheat is what he flies through every time but all that shit is north of me

if planes use cell tower for internet then he should have some. just not his 5g

[umbral cliff]

They tend to use satellite

[forest edge]

thought that was more for over the water etc.. they place those ground to air on the same cell towers citizens use here from what I was told

[umbral cliff]

A lot still use satellite. It's easier
I think delta has signed a partnership to use starlink
And I know Qantas here uses the NBN satellite for inflight wifi

[forest edge]

well if that's the case mr money bags over there can't complain about what states he flies over

[tidal bronze]

It's satellite but the issue is tall grass.

[forest edge]

I suppose the concept of grass is foreign to you. sand dweller

[tidal bronze]

Hmmm, only used to well maintained grass. You know how we roll.

[forest edge]

by maintained you refering to you and your neighbrs eating it all away like cattle

@tidal bronzebtw loved your commercial. https://youtu.be/TLPi6vgJpG0?si=-qQk7sOk6ZPi77OS

[tidal bronze]

Oh wow it's still Thursday

[young sigil]

6 freaking hours! Still it was interesting. https://youtu.be/BCSeISYcoyI?si=00K3VhWeaWJ_WrvX

[forest edge]

hard pass

[prisma briar]

This is the third Discord I've seen people talking about this six hour Eve documentary

[young sigil]

I've never played it and never intend to. However it was an incredibly interesting documentary. Particularly the part about the Russians doxing players and wanting "spies" to visit important players IRL and cut their power during battles. Some wars cost upwards of $300,000 actual USD.

[glacial knot]

makes a note to watch on monday.

All hail the home office 😂

[crisp oriole]

Yes. I made the music art icon on my kde desktop use the spotify album art of an artist if snapcast is playing mpd player and no album art is available \o/

[golden wing]

i wish companies would actually use the right definitions for which bulb size is which

ordered some A19 bulbs which got here today specifically for a fixture that has like zero wiggle room for any bulb slightly larger than A19

of course the bulbs which arrived were closer to A21 than A19

i wanna say like a half inch longer tha a normal A19 bulb

[solar zealot]

Ikea has home assistant lamps??

😆

[iron granite]

[scenic radish]

IKEA acquisition of HA confirmed

HØME ÅSSISTÅNT

[iron granite]

New in HA 2023.12.0: the "Hotdog" and "Köttbullar" integrations

[static schooner]

definitely "meatballs"

[primal laurel]

does that mean we go back to 100% yaml?

[iron granite]

And specialized IKEA shelves for HA Blue, Yellow and Green
BLÅ, GUL and GRÖN

[iron granite]

You get HA in parts and you have to combine them (correctly) to run it

[elfin slate]

why do I have leftover screws?

[iron granite]

Propably an add-on, but maybe it's screwed

[scenic radish]

Whenever I end up with unused parts I like to assume I simply found a more efficient way to assemble the product

[primal laurel]

so nothing changes then, got it

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/f1-destroyed-wrecked-wheels-gif-5316419

[winged obsidian]

HemHjälparen?

[static schooner]

We'll just get rid of this extra weight and....profit

[solar zealot]

Where we're going, we don't need roads wheels

[plucky heart]

Had a mysterious disappearing data earlier today,
Would call myself a newbie,
While migrating a HA install from a usb pendrive to a SSD,
OMV DB was corrupt, while HA was running off a USB pendrive perfectly, both on Lan and thru cloudflare.
I am unable to track HA backups now 😂😂
Someone experienced tried to help,
But with no backup or folder visible,

Will have to start a fresh.

Not much of rocket science, but fresh omv install wont let me have a working docker now.

As this is a off topic,
Hope I am not banned for this post 😅😅

[prisma briar]

It's crazy how much of my job is reading error messages back to the people who send them to me.

[static schooner]

Well, did you <whatever clear instructions the error message provides>?

[ocean oar]

"No, I just clicked ok on the popup"

[clever mortar]

That's 99% of helping people here and on the forum.

[ocean oar]

The remainder (also in my work) is playing 20 questions with people.
Heaven forbid they give you all the information at once, expected to be a freaking mind reader

[iron granite]

The other 1% is "Have your tried to turn it off and on again?"

[clever mortar]

So... also just like here then

[prisma briar]

There's a reason I quit volunteering to help in forums, heh. It's so tedious and repetitive. Same as being a mod, modding correctly is so tedious and frustrating and the second mods quit caring for even a moment everything goes to shit.

[late otter]

??

[scenic radish]

This

[red rock]

Someone WLEDed this lamp

https://youtube.com/shorts/WiqLGjVDlbE

[solar zealot]

No wae 😆

That's pretty cool

[solar zealot]

This is very ot, but would be be fine to do a function test on PC parts without a cpu cooler installed

[rough crater]

no

[orchid rose]

Don't have to be well connected to it but you'll probably need something there so it won't overheat immediately

I want to see that IKEA lamp in the HA blue

[red rock]

By the way, five Nights at Freddy's movie is a really good one

[ocean oar]

It's amazing how well modern computers function with insufficient cooling, but none whatsoever might be a step too far.
We had a batch of servers at work with bad heatsinks (had a vapour chamber, which was corroding and leaking).
CPUs would be pegged at 96°C under even moderate load, but still worked (at about 1/3 the speed of a normal one).

[next crag]

Still got a few more C of wiggle room, no problem.

Anyone in the HA discord end up here b/c you left reddit after the API charge drama? Just curious where ya'll are at and how ya'll are doing.

[finite atlas]

never actively used reddit, i only googled "<problem> reddit" to get good solutions to problems

[static schooner]

And get annoyed at all the deleted accounts and posts.

[last cedar]

I am on reddit for the raccoon sub reddits, there are at least 3

[crisp oriole]

i use discord and the facebook group.
facebook groups are fun dont use facebook for anything else

[iron granite]

The HA Facebook group is good for HA unrelated videos 🤣

[golden wing]

my front porch light is now so much smarter

i already had an automation to gradually turn on the light to 50% at sunset
now, if it's during the day and i press the switch button it will just toggle the light from 0% to 100% like normal. if it's after the sun has set, though, it will toggle between 50% and 100%
in addition, if i long press the switch button it will open the garage door and set the light to 100%, then when i leave it will go back to 50%. when i get back it will get set back to 100% automatically until i unlock the front door then lock it again

and the location stuff only happens after sunset

[winged obsidian]

I’ve told my wife the goal is whenever she presses a button in the house she’ll have absolutely no idea what will happen.

[finite atlas]

"self destruction countdown has started, press the correct button to abort"

[ocean oar]

this is your last chance to push the cancellation button

[golden wing]

my whole philosophy has been to make it so that everything in the house works as it would in a "dumb home" both when home assistant is online or if it crashes
there's just additional functionality when everything is connected properly

[teal torrent]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKAdkbQWAJ8

[broken sundial]

hi guys i'm looking for a motion sensor with dimmer function , i would like to dim the lights more during the night or when it's dark

someone who can advice me maybe? i'm looking into the sonoff catalog

[iron granite]

#hardware-archived can help with suggestions

[willow forge]

Has anyone looked into managing a setup with multiple Android devices? I know automation with Ansible, Chef, Puppet, ... but is there something similar for Android? Like, setting up 9 Android devices with certain apps (including their configurations) etc?

(Looking to roll out 9 Sonoff NSPanel Pro in an identical way, with only a few variables that are unique per device)

[winged obsidian]

I do the same. She still makes fun of me 🤷‍♂️

[winged obsidian]

WTH? https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinteresting/s/PdypejmwsA

[umbral cliff]

@last cedar

[iron granite]

🦝

[golden wing]

i just did the coolest home automation thing i've ever done

so i have a temperature sensor in every room

i also have a motion sensor in every room

until now i've been using an unweighted average of every temperature sensor as my thermostat temperature

i just worked it out so that now, it's a weighted average and the weight each temperature sensor gets is proportional to how much i'm actually in that room

for example i'm in my office 20%-25% of the week

so it gets 20%-25% weight

[teal torrent]

nice

[glacial knot]

that's an odd setup

do you only have a single actuator for the entire house? 🤔

[last cedar]

This is life goals tbh 🤣

[prisma briar]

That's how most houses here are set up

Unless they're like 2500+ sq ft

[solar zealot]

Save 300 bucks, loose hundreds in inefficient heating over the years

[golden wing]

yeah, my house is only like 1200sqft and single story

most houses in america only have a single thermostat per floor

if even more than one

[golden wing]

how exactly can i get zoned heating and cooling for only $300?

i'll jump on that in an instant

[solar zealot]

Well the manifold + valve combination costs about that much

[golden wing]

oh well where i live i need cooling as well as heating

which is why i don't have radiators

but instead have forced air

[solar zealot]

That's kinda cool from what I've heard

Don't need to open windows to get the moisture down

[golden wing]

the technology is pretty cool too, it's a heat pump so it's the exact same process to heat the house as it is to cool it

all you have to do to change the mode is reverse the flow through the exterior unit

[solar zealot]

Cooling the house while heating a pool...

[golden wing]

that'd be nice if i had a pool lol

too expensive + i wouldn't use it often

if i ever build a house i want to do ground source heat pump for heating and cooling

[solar zealot]

That seems like the future yea

Kinda amazing how effective that is

[golden wing]

if i'm feeling really fancy, ground source heat pump with a radiant floor heating loop, along with the usual hvac system for air conditioning and cooling

[elfin slate]

what's worse is when that redditor ends up being your past self

"who wrote this? it's amaz... oh."

[iron granite]

A short minute of silence for the MyQ integration

[static schooner]

Hard to feel sad or mournful when it was explicitly self-imposed by them

[iron granite]

But painful for the users

[primal laurel]

cloud only is a death sentence

every time

[ocean oar]

It's basically enshittificaton with fewer steps.
Q: How do you sell a piece of hardware once, then finance running the cloud service forever?
A: Very clearly, you don't.

[subtle pasture]

I'm not sure how they ever thought they were going to monetize it when OpenGarage and Ratgdo almost immediately replaced the built-in functionality

[primal laurel]

a mixture of vendor lockin, planned obsolescence and cloud dependence

[subtle pasture]

Or the low-tech solution: Just use a dedicated RF remote instead of the app.

Even non-techies can avoid the online service and monetization.

I effectively built my own OpenGarage-like device before it was a thing you could just buy. ESP8266 flashed with Tasmota, with an ultrasonic range sensor to detect door state, occupancy/motion sensor, and a disassembled official RF remote paired to the garage door opener to handle opening and closing.

I suppose it also helps that devices like this existed prior to the advent of smart garage door openers, and work just as well as the built-in functionality (sometimes better).

[ocean oar]

Mine is LoRa, because a) I already used a bunch of LoRa stuff, and b) my garage is ~40 metres from the house, through the neighbour's entire house and a concrete retaining wall.
It also let me do some nice things like switching the lights on the roof of the garage on when the door opens (great for backing into the garage at night)

Wired into the door opener with good 'ol trusty Cat6 cable 😄

(also powered from the opener, which is nice)

[elfin slate]

Is this low-tech enough?

[elfin slate]

avoid Swift. got it.

[distant junco]

Always link to the source: https://github.com/apple/swift-evolution/blob/main/proposals/0004-remove-pre-post-inc-decrement.md

[red rock]

I did not have the source

but thanks

[ocean oar]

"Mr serviceman"
Clearly a product of a different time

[elfin slate]

for sure

the system has a key switch near the door (lost to time/previous owner) and a remote with similar DIPs (also lost)

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/mindblow-mind-explosion-mind-blown-gif-4660261

[elfin slate]

part of me is actually considering keeping the box mounted for aesthetics but the whole opener needs to go. system is ca. 1978-82

[bright cave]

Any suggestions on how to mount a tablet to the wall?

I think the heavy duty command stirps wiht velcro would probably be fine. I want to find something though that works like how the hooks attach to the wall. Where it like slots into place top down

Except I just want that without the hook part

[ocean oar]

My plan - when I finally get around to it - is to stick the tablet into a deep picture frame.
Get a mat board cut to the size of the display, and use double-sided tape to attach the tablet's bezel to the back of it.
Then just hang it on the wall like any other picture.

Even gives you some space behind it, should you want to hide cables

[elfin slate]

now, if the tablet happens to have wireless charging, you could also embed that into the frame back

[ocean oar]

I was thinking a PoE to USB-PD adapter, but that also works

[elfin slate]

saves the use over time on the port

[ocean oar]

Basically something like this, but minus the glass:
https://www.etsy.com/listing/635212156/new-black-shadow-box-deep-display-frame
Also figure it'd probably work out cheaper to get the frame/mat custom-made by a local picture framing company, avoiding paying for glass or anything else

[primal laurel]

https://www.reddit.com/r/homeassistant/comments/ytjiyx/wireless_charging_magsafe_tablet_mount_for_home/

[daring jolt]

reasoning

[elfin slate]

yeah. read the reasons. still stand by my comment. 🙂

[daring jolt]

idk i have heard other bad things about swift and i never intend to use it

but still, at least removing ++x makes sense, if not x++

[elfin slate]

I come from C/C++ land. cold, dead hands.

[ocean oar]

With the exception of whatever horrible shit #5 would ever be hoping to achieve, that's all "introduction to programming" level stuff

And I'd say the ++x version would be more important to keep than the x++ version

I mean it does presume you're the kind of horrible person who likes a do {} while (--x > 0) type loop from time to time, but the pre-decrement version doesn't really have a replacement otherwise

[elfin slate]

my loops are typically --x because I'm a monster

[red rock]

Ouch

[elfin slate]

but I also know the whys

[bright cave]

Just ended up going with this:
https://www.amazon.com/Universal-Adjustable-Degrees-Rotating-Reader/dp/B094TZQD34
Nice cuz it even rotates

[elfin slate]

actually not a bad idea

[golden wing]

most overkill motion lights automation ever

[finite atlas]

me with my home assistant

[golden wing]

i am 100% saving this to send to my coworkers lmfao

[bright cave]

Looking at this makes me wonder if the automation editor could benefit from using a graph layout to make complex automations easier to read

[static schooner]

pretty sure that was prototyped a while ago

[golden wing]

this could honestly be made a lot neater if there was some kind of "wait for state" action that could start the timer at execution, instead of having to use a wait for trigger with a timeout and then an if statement afterwards

maybe not idk

my brain is a little fried from having made that lmao

[static schooner]

that sounds like a wait_template

[golden wing]

well the reason i used wait for trigger with a state condition is so i could do "motion has cleared for 2 minutes", so if it clears for 30 seconds and is detected again it will just wait until the next time it clears instead until it hits 2 minutes

it would just be nice if i could do some kind of "starting now" for that, so if motion is already cleared it just waits for two minutes from the point of execution instead of waiting for it to detect and then go cleared again

[red rock]

Here's a Dutch meme for y'all

[thick crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/bugs-video-games-software-developer-gif-25721930

[golden wing]

me finding new ways to overcomplicate a motion light automation

[golden wing]

unfortunately the history_stats platform is kind of broken so i'll probably be reverting this change

[static schooner]

It's a hero perpetual motion machine

[glacial knot]

GCP is kinda fun

[dusky plank]

I never had dual monitors of the same brand

not even close

always cheap vs cheap2

[clear ferry]

I have now, after 25 years of dual monitors

[static schooner]

I qualify, but different generations, and the older one restricts me to DisplayPort for 4k/60

Annoying

Slightly different spec versions

If I don't use exactly the set of connections and cables I'm using, it either doesn't work, or forces me to 30Hz or some nonsense

[low harness]

I have at work. It's awesome.

They're also daisy-chained USB-C. It's so sleek.

[low harness]

How do you keep the temperature in there, by the way? Do you have a mini-split or something?

[clear ferry]

No, it's fine most days

Today was a bit chilly, I still sat there for 5h

[low harness]

Had you moved our last winter or will this one be the first?

[clever mortar]

@last cedar I see you were a star in Lidl's Christmas advert this year

[hollow glacier]

ok so

i just setup a $5000 overkill wifi 6e setup for a guy a few weeks ago and just got a message saying the "internet isnt working very well". when i logged into the controller i found 91 devices added to the trusted wifi network (not the IoT network) and most of them are wifi 4 1x1 mimo shit like govee bulbs

https://tenor.com/b1QPe.gif

[clear ferry]

I've been there since January I think

Also if you thought the other house was a steal

https://www.finn.no/326770754

[solar zealot]

where is the secret raccoon stash

[clear ferry]

In the second apartment

[last cedar]

Doormat wholesale peice is as volatile as human money, got to pay the bills somehow

Great advert tbh

If it didn't have the raccoon it would be too long though

[last cedar]

This is amazing, I could legit not see the rest of my family for years, at 336m2

[red rock]

I am now just shouting from my chair that my code and setup works and its beautiful

[solar zealot]

it no longer is secret now huh 👀

[clear ferry]

That house is perfect though, 4 bedrooms, 2 offices, cellar for my racks, and the two apartments I can make enough to cover my loans with Airbnb if I just rent them 14 days per month

[static schooner]

This is either some Norway math or lost in translation:

[clear ferry]

Well, municipal taxes

[static schooner]

it's the "asset value" and "total price" parts that seem out of step

[clear ferry]

And the asset value is taxable value but your translation is interesting

Since we use , where you use .

[static schooner]

it's worth x, but for you, it's x*5

[clear ferry]

So it's 6.5m and the taxable value for our irs is 1.3m

It has to do with I'm not sure the English word

But we have wealth, and we have loans

[static schooner]

equity?

[clear ferry]

So if I have no loans and only that house I own items valued 1.3m

[static schooner]

amortization?

[clear ferry]

But since I would have 6.5m in loans I end up -4.2m in wealth

Which is tax beneficial

[static schooner]

I'm lost on what "wealth" means there

[clear ferry]

Wealth in Norwegian taxes is what you own, like houses / cars etc

[static schooner]

clearly not appreciation

[clear ferry]

That gives you positive value

Which means you pay more tax

Loans give you negative wealth

Which is tax favorable

You always want more loans than you have assets

And houses are default tax asset value 25%

[static schooner]

that seems bizarre

we only want home loans because the interest is deductible

[clear ferry]

It's different from the US I know

The interest is deductible, but also the Value

Having no loans means you would pay more taxes

Because you have wealth

Which is why rich Norwegians move abroad, because if you own assets they have to pay tax

Like... Bezos would pay 50% tax here, for his entire fortune

[static schooner]

"having" in the US doesn't usually mean much, only when you transact. Unless you count dividends

[solar zealot]

i suppose having to finance a pizza isnt counting towards deductions

[clear ferry]

If it is the entire branch of pizza hut

Perhaps

[solar zealot]

that doesnt sound healthy

[clear ferry]

Since I have loans, but still probably am in the 10% of Norwegian income I pay around 32% tax

Kindergarten is deductible too even if it is highly subsidized

Buying books for school is deductible even if school is basically free

Having to drive to work is deductible if it is a certain distance

[umbral cliff]

What's the distance

[clear ferry]

Over 50km from home to office

[umbral cliff]

That's quite far

[clear ferry]

And it has to be more than 84 days a year I think too

If it is 50km each way

If it was 100km each way it would be 42 days

And then you start getting money back per km

If my math is correct

[bright cave]

Anyone else see that mint is shutting down?

I've got literally 15 years worth of data in mint

[umbral cliff]

What's mint

[bright cave]

mint.com

[finite atlas]

for a second i got spooked and thought linux mint

[static schooner]

I've been looking for a replacement, but they've been shut out of several of my accounts for a while. It's kinda like MyQ that way

I tried Copilot Money and they're missing several accounts that I want. And some companies had special deals with Intuit, so others are shut out

[bright cave]

I was actually looking to use the mintapi lib (scraper) to try to make a integration for HA. Right after I joined their discord the news broke. They've discussed a few good alternatives like YNAB, lunch money, and Monarch

We were also discussing using something like plaid directly, but it doesn't seem like plaid works well for personal use

[static schooner]

Copilot Money uses Plaid for many of their integrations and most of the limitations that I found came from them

Mint shutting down has lit a fire under their competition, though

I just got used to Mint integrations breaking and I stopped relying on it to be accurate. It's taken forever for them + the financial institutions to figure out how to do 2FA with aggregators, and lots just won't play ball at all

Mint just tells you to disable 2FA when syncing and then reenable, but I can't even figure out how to do that with my account

[bright cave]

For some obscure connections I had issues like comcast but my main providers worked pretty well

[static schooner]

E*Trade, Empower, and my mortgage servicer all don't work anymore for me, and that makes it kinda useless. I just use it as an aggregator and ignore all the budgeting stuff

in any case, I hope someone can establish relationships with the financial institutions and build an equivalent or better solution

it would probably work better if you don't use 2FA anywhere

[ocean oar]

https://www.pedestrian.tv/news/sydney-woman-cat-feeder-optus-outage/

[umbral cliff]

Something something local is best
Why that feeder can't store a local schedule who knows

[ocean oar]

The one I have does 🤷‍♂️

[static schooner]

the one I use makes quite clear that it can do everything locally, and even has a battery backup in case the power goes out

I feel like I can hear that cat from here in the US

[ocean oar]

I mean alternatively apparently I could re-purpose it to dispense human treats?
https://www.sensibledefaults.io/blog/reverse-engineering-cat-feeder/index

[golden wing]

my cat feeder is one of these:

https://www.super-feeder.com/

with a shelly 1 to make it smart

the schedule lives on the shelly 1 since it's flashed with ESPhome

[ocean oar]

You know it must be good, because they didn't waste any money on a fancy website 🤣

[golden wing]

they don't need to ¯_(ツ)_/¯

product speaks for itself

[golden wing]

an update:

[rare patrol]

https://blanknam3d-handbook.blogspot.com/2023/11/philips-wiz-tunable-white-smart.html

had a problem with smart bulbs that I previously had no trouble with just randomly dying when used in a certain room. spent the entire rest of my day figuring out why it happens & fixing just one bulb, then well into early morning throughout the night writing up about it + the internals of the Philips WiZ tunable white bulb

as for if my fix works long term? have yet to find out. but I'm happy to have just finally figured out exactly what's failing in them lol

[young sigil]

Could you please post this sort of thing in #automations-archived . It is not off topic enough for here. Not enough trash pandas.

[red rock]

so we can solve that via or moving channels

or posting more trash pandas

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-gossip-pet-lover-excited-gif-20654709

[bright cave]

Something was off topic for off topic? 😵‍💫

[finite atlas]

this is how i shitpost online

[wispy needle]

@iron granite literally on with support right now asking for verification that they don't want any of my money - I will rip this opener out of my garage

Support rep doesn't even know what home assistant is

"I'm so very sorry, we are trained on our current partnerships, you can see them by tapping discover and then partners in the app"

Ratgdo is on back order 😦

[winged obsidian]

Passkeys will gain traction, slowly

[static schooner]

I'm switching to passkeys wherever I can,

[clever mortar]

I'm just annoyed the Bitwarden is only just starting to roll out passkey support

(and the first attempt for the browse plugin was a clusterfuck)

[wispy needle]

Good luck to you my human - hope install is easy

[golden wing]

i just figured anything in support category was for support

not just sharing something

[golden wing]

i just want any bank in the US to support yubikey authentication

there's no reason that the account i use to watch silly videos should be more secure than the account my paychecks go into and that my mortgage is on

the only thing financial institutions do right from a security standpoint is short sessions

[winged obsidian]

They’ll likely support passkey and leave the Yubikey integration to the OS layer. I’ve found it’s still pretty rocky between 1Password, native, and hardware.

[golden wing]

i have no idea what you mean "to the OS layer"

webauthn is a pretty easy to implement 2fa standard which supports both security keys and passkeys

[last cedar]

@finite atlas @iron granite @young sigil y'all awesome 🦝

[solar zealot]

yubikey door lock when 😉

[golden wing]

i spent way too much time going down that rabbit hole a while ago lol

it would technically be possible if you had some kind of mortise style lock and just put an NFC reader in the exterior wall by the doorbell or something

then just use a commercial style electric strike plate

run yubikey's webauthn over nfc thing on a raspberry pi or something

i ended up just getting a Level Bolt and adding it to home assistant as a homekit device tho

very reliable since my esp32 light switch directly next to the door can proxy the ble connection

[solar zealot]

sounds cool

[primal laurel]

huh

[clever mortar]

Need to give it more than 64 KB of RAM

[clear ferry]

Greedy supervisor nonsense

[primal laurel]

it happened when I saved a piece of yaml with a card type that didnt exist

[finite atlas]

switch yt with trashpandas and its accurate ^^

[last cedar]

How it should be

[glacial knot]

you sure?

[clever mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/rocket-raccoon-gif-26239299

[static schooner]

They're just really good at it, so you don't hear about any crashes. Plane took off and landed without incident.. isn't news

[glacial knot]

isn't that a rabbit?

[finite atlas]

most

[orchid rose]

moist

[last cedar]

Exactly, most moist raccoons can't fly a helicopter

[shy comet]

if you are an asgardian indeed it is

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/watte-sumer-raccoon-water-animal-gif-15175555

[dusky plank]

I just now bought a atom lite on amazon and delivery is free in 9 hours, crazy.

[bright cave]

https://github.blog/2023-11-08-the-state-of-open-source-and-ai/

Bummer to see Java falling and C# rising. Although by numbers C# is still fairly far behind

At least ruby is continuing to die off

[primal laurel]

I like the fact rust is growing

[red rock]

Erros

[tidal bronze]

Never again Amazon! Not for cable 😡

[iron granite]

Every meme needs a typo

[teal torrent]

BIG RACCOON just doesn't want you to know about it

[static schooner]

The trash lobby is real

[tidal bronze]

@forest edge don't even think....🤣

[static schooner]

We have delivered your package to your dog

I hope he likes the slippers

[forest edge]

Irony is the dogs name is Slippers..

[tidal bronze]

Loved it.

[buoyant laurel]

Are there specific brands of solar panels and battery backup systems that play better with HA than others? I'm in the US and am collecting some quotes from suppliers but want to know if there are any brands I should avoid?

[solar zealot]

in theory you could buy whatever seems like it will pay off the fastest (<10 years) and add external power monitoring

[clever mortar]

#integrations-archived can probably better answer that though

[buoyant laurel]

lol, just gonna try all the channels!

[solar zealot]

personally i have a good time with hoymiles equipment, but they do funky communication stuff

not sure how good their bigger equipment is tho

[rapid tendon]

Got to love waking up to find that your hass had a hiccup and forgot how to talk to supervisor -_-

all the other services running happily, nodered and such still ticking, dns working perfectly.... bounce the hass frontend and shbam all the automations start working sigh

[hollow glacier]

time to figure out why it's probably not home assistant causing it lol

[prisma briar]

Resizing the disk/data partition for HAOS was refreshingly automated.

Wasn't expecting it to just do it on reboot

[primal laurel]

https://github.com/hgrecco/pint

anyone tried this library?

[minor nexus]

omegle is no more

[rapid tendon]

it's something that seems to happen when uptime of the pi gets to a few months, frontend has issues talking to supervisor till i power cycle

[iron granite]

Didn't know it was still a thing

[hollow glacier]

That sounds a lot like a pi problem not home assistant tho

Ive never had that kind of uptime cuz each haos update resets uptime I think

[rapid tendon]

Congrats!

Doesn't help me out tho.

[hollow glacier]

Sure it does

Move to not an underpowered SBC to run your smart home

[rapid tendon]

What are you using, then?

[hollow glacier]

I use an old laptop because it was free and has a newer gen intel

Mini pcs are very popular these days as an alternative

If you search m910q here I’ve posted about them a lot

[primal laurel]

Pi 4 is fineeee for HA

Used a pi 3 for years

Only problem is the SD card

[hollow glacier]

they're still a shitty solution

[primal laurel]

No they're not

They're great

[hollow glacier]

sure they are

[primal laurel]

Why

[hollow glacier]

you spend more money buying a pi4+microSD (or ideally an SSD and usb to sata adapter) + power cable than you do on a more performant mini pc

you can search #hardware-archived i've had this discussion way too many times

[primal laurel]

True, but if you're like me you always have a pi laying around. The fact that a mini pc is better (I know) doesn't make a pi shit

[rapid tendon]

How's the addon compatibility situation? Cuz i know a lot of the images are gonna be targeting the arm of the rpi4, would switching to a x86_64 architecture possibly lock me out of the addons i've been using?

[hollow glacier]

a shitty solution comparably* then

no addons will work regardless of arm or x86 or whatever

[primal laurel]

Yet 50% of all users run it

Seems fine for most of us

[hollow glacier]

you literally backup and restore and then reboot the host os and you've got everything you had on your underpowered SBC

[hollow glacier]

pointing to end users who often dont know any better isnt really helpful lol

points to discord server

[primal laurel]

That's your 'shitty' opinion

[hollow glacier]

not very nice of you man. prob need to revisit #rules

[primal laurel]

Prob need to grow a brain

[hollow glacier]

yeah you need to just walk away dude this isnt acceptable

[rapid tendon]

from my pov, ya both are escalating with each other tbh

[hollow glacier]

i'm not calling names, that is against the rules

[rapid tendon]

differences in opinions and experiences are part of life

[hollow glacier]

stefan knows this

he's just choosing to be rude which again, isnt okay

[rapid tendon]

i'm aware, i've been here for the entire show

it does take two to tango 😛

[primal laurel]

Lmao don't read too much into it, I don't care at all

[rapid tendon]

you cared enough to feel the need to state that 🙂

[primal laurel]

It's just sad to call a solution which 50% of the community uses 'shit'

[rapid tendon]

a lotta words for not caring.

btu yeah that hardware you were mentioning defo looks a lot more powerful and affordable than rpi4 8GBs

it'd be nice to get something with more oomph

[primal laurel]

The thing is you don't need it

It's wasted on HA

HA will run on on your grandma's 1970's toaster

[rapid tendon]

not for the tasks i'm wanting to use it for

[iron granite]

Uh... a new Steam Deck version will be available next week. OLED 🤔
https://store.steampowered.com/sale/steamdeck_2023

[rapid tendon]

oooooo nice

[iron granite]

At least for the 512 GB and 1 TB version

[rapid tendon]

ha choked out on my rpi3 cuz i was trying to use nodered and esphome on it simultanously, esp when it came time to update the firmware for the devices i built

[primal laurel]

I ran that for years, never had issues

[rapid tendon]

and adguardns kept dying constantly on the rpi3

Congrats!

I'm not you!

[primal laurel]

That was literally my setup for 4 years until I got a nas

[rapid tendon]

Good for you!

[primal laurel]

Might have had a PSU issue or something

[rapid tendon]

Fun fact, other people's needs and experiences can differ from yours! Just because you didn't have a problem doesn't mean other people won't!

[primal laurel]

Probably can't upgrade mine, I think oled needs different hardware

[primal laurel]

Yet I also ran node red and esphome

Pi 3b

[primal laurel]

If you're going to respond like this why even tell me haha

[rapid tendon]

And then you used that experience to be dismissive of other people's limitations! Yaaay!

[iron granite]

They happily upgrade yours - for the full price. And you can keep the old one

[rapid tendon]

Because in order to communicate, humans do a thing called "giving context to their experiences", where they provide information on the environment that caused a frustration!

[primal laurel]

People are being dismissive of the pi for no good reasons. Pi is awesome

I think the green has even less flops than the pi 4

Got a green at my place now

Nas at the parents

[rapid tendon]

ayo that's pretty awesome customer service

[primal laurel]

Not sure it would do that for oled only. The bigger battery is very nice

[rapid tendon]

Looks like they're gonna be working with ifixit to make repairability easier again

i'm sure it won't be long before that hardware gets tested to see if someone could do a inplace upgrade if the parts are Compatible Enough

[primal laurel]

I used ifixit to buy/replace the ssd on my steamdeck. Also used their tools when I replaced the battery, ram and ssd on my laptop. Great company

[solar zealot]

if we could magically upgrade the older decks to the new battery, that would be pretty cool

but i suppose that wont fit

[primal laurel]

Not sure. If it's a chemistry upgrade it may fit

[iron granite]

Some people will be crazy enough to make a disassembly YT video soon

[primal laurel]

I've been looking at replacing the backplate with something good looking

Replacing the whole shell might be too much

Also started running emudeck

[ocean oar]

Gotta watch that though. See the debacle of the Sony WF-1000XM4 earbuds, they changed from a 3.6V to a 3.85V battery (supposedly due to supply issues), but then sent out a firmware update that started charging all of them to that voltage. Killed the battery in everyone's that had the older batteries, and they've had to replace by the looks thousands of sets of them.

Spicy Rossman rant on the topic: https://youtu.be/u525qqRHonM

[subtle pasture]

I was excited for a second, but it looks like they haven't fixed my primary complaint about the original display: No VRR support.

Variable Refresh Rate should be standard on this thing, given its middling performance.

I was really hoping they'd match the screen on the Asus ROG Ally

[primal laurel]

hmm yeah that would have been nice

FSR3.0 compensates a lot of the low FPS issues I have

[subtle pasture]

Isn't that only in 2 games?

Also, frame generation tends to work best when your framerate is already above 60.

It's great for people who own high refresh rate monitors, who can maintain 60+, but struggle to keep their 120+ Hz monitor maxed out. Turn on framegen and away you go.

That isn't really the case for most modern titles on the Steam Deck. They'd be better off with VRR so the refresh rate matches the framerate (reduced latency, reduced judder, no tearing, etc.)

[primal laurel]

it works for most current gen games

at least the ones I have

[subtle pasture]

Literally only 2 games have FSR 3.0... it has to be built into the engine

[primal laurel]

for example in hogwarts legacy it gets me from ~30 to ~60 fps

sorry I meant FSR 2.0/3.0

3.0 is too new

[subtle pasture]

FSR 2.0 doesn't do frame generation, only upscaling, and it doesn't work well with resolutions below 1440p in my experience

The Steam Deck is already only 800p. Upscaling from even less than that isn't gonna be great

[primal laurel]

tbh, im not sure exactly what it does. All I can say is it looks great and I get 60 fps

[primal laurel]

do you have a steam deck?

[subtle pasture]

FSR 2.0 renders the game at a lower internal resolution and then uses intelligent upscaling to blow the low-resolution image up to your monitor's native resolution

But the lower your native resolution is, the lower that internal resolution gets, and things get muddy real quick...

[subtle pasture]

Not yet. The ROG Ally seems like a better buy at the moment, anyway.

[primal laurel]

windows 11 on a handheld... dear god please no

[subtle pasture]

And I've used FSR 2.0 in a number of titles on my desktop

[subtle pasture]

Yeah, Windows 8.1 would have had a better UI for it

Though if you're just launching directly into Steam Big Picture mode, like the SteamDeck does, then it doesn't really matter if it's Windows under the hood

You can run more games thanks to it being Windows, though. I will say that...

[primal laurel]

my laptop is ROG. Armory crate UI is so bad it makes me cry

[subtle pasture]

My desktop runs an Asus motherboard. I just didn't bother installing Armory Crate. lol

[primal laurel]

it looks like somebody took a gamer design from the 80's and upscaled it

[subtle pasture]

Everything can be controlled through the BIOS and preferred 3rd party apps anyway

[primal laurel]

is that true though? with proton being as good as it is atm

[subtle pasture]

Yeah, there are a number of games the SteamDeck still can't launch unless you install Windows on it

Or they're missing options because Proton doesn't fully emulate later DirectX versions

It's... frustrating

The original Crysis insta-crashes if you try to run it in SteamOS. The Remastered version runs, but it's even heavier than the original, and won't run properly on lowest settings. lol

[primal laurel]

price wise, the cheapest ally I can find is about 760 euro. I got my steamdeck for 300. That's a significant difference

[subtle pasture]

Boot to WIndows, fire up the original release of Crysis, runs fine.

[subtle pasture]

The prices are a lot closer in the US, with the ROG Ally starting at $599 and the equivalent SteamDeck being $549

There's a cheaper Steam Deck at $399, but it has half the storage of the Ally and loses the OLED screen.

[primal laurel]

where did you find an ally for 600?

[subtle pasture]

$50 isn't much of a difference when comparing entire computers, imho

Both the Asus store and BestBuy have it for $599

The "Extreme" edition is only $20 more at $619

[primal laurel]

weird, thats at 800 eur for me

[subtle pasture]

US prices vs EU prices can be wonky

[primal laurel]

I think the steamdeck can get more out of hardware, simply because it runs linux and not windows

[subtle pasture]

That hasn't really been the case so far. It's pretty much a wash in most games, with a few favoring one over the other (or straight-up just not launching on SteamOS)

SteamOS generally works well, Windows also generally works well

Windows has a pretty efficient pipeline for 3D graphics, as well it should, considering the Xbox runs a variant of it.

[primal laurel]

im not comparing it to the ally, just the fact that linux allows you to modify everything up to the lowest level driver and windows doesn't gives linux an advantage

especially because valve worked together with AMD on the low level drivers for linux

[subtle pasture]

Eh? The graphics drivers are closed source on both Windows and Linux

There's an open-source driver for AMD GPUs for Linux, but it's incredibly slow compared to the closed-source driver from AMD

[primal laurel]

which was developed with valve

[subtle pasture]

The closed-source AMD driver for Linux predates all Valve hardware by decades...

[primal laurel]

not for the steamdeck hardware, it was developed by valve and AMD together

specifically for linux

[subtle pasture]

What are you claiming was developed by them together, exactly?

Because the closed-source AMD driver that the Steam Deck runs is the same one you'd run with any RDNA GPU

It's not steam deck specific

[primal laurel]

according to AMD, the APU was developed with valve

steamdeck specific

[subtle pasture]

The APU is a variant of an APU AMD already made...

It's not all that custom

[primal laurel]

it is

its a huge selling point in fact

what's ROG going to do? they're always going to be limited by what windows offers

[subtle pasture]

Again, it's not all that custom. it's a Zen2 CPU with an RDNA2 GPU.

Totally off-the-shelf designs for AMD

[subtle pasture]

You can literally install SteamOS on the Ally...

It also runs an AMD APU. lol

The Ally's APU is about 50% faster than the Steam Deck's

[primal laurel]

so? it ships windows

[subtle pasture]

And?

it runs fine with Windows, but you can put SteamOS on it if you think it's so much better

[primal laurel]

so thats what's supported and developed

[subtle pasture]

Just like you can throw Windows on a Steam Deck to run games that won't run under Proton

[primal laurel]

im going to run whatever they are developing

[subtle pasture]

Ok, well that leaves the Ally with a wider selection of games it'll run than the Steam deck, and it runs them faster. I'm not seeing the downside here >_>

I'm not saying the Steam Deck is bad, I'm just not sure it's the best buy out of the two

[primal laurel]

clearly in the EU it is, because the price difference is insane

[subtle pasture]

I mean, I'd probably pay the price difference for the better screen.

[primal laurel]

but I would never buy the ally because it runs windows 11

[subtle pasture]

120Hz 1080p with VRR is a real nice upgrade over 90Hz 800p without VRR

[primal laurel]

I really want linux gaming to grow (and linux in general)

I think steamdeck is a great way to support that

[subtle pasture]

And the CPU and GPU are both faster, so that's good too

[primal laurel]

800p on a handheld is more than fine

its a tiny screen

[subtle pasture]

True, but I don't even have the option of 1080p on the Steam Deck

The Ally can run 800p all day if you want, with VRR, and at 120Hz

You also get the option of using FSR to upscale 800p to 1080p, which is gonna look better than upscaling 560p to 800p

And again, don't get me wrong, it'd be neat to see a $50 cheaper ROG Ally with SteamOS preloaded. I'm sure that'd sell well too.

As far as Valve hardware goes, I'm more excited to see what their next VR headset is gonna be. I've got a Valve Index, and it could really use the addition of eye tracking and a wireless connection.

[primal laurel]

im sure it looks better. Im just not sure it's really necessary on a screen that small

[subtle pasture]

Well, if you think that, then turn the resolution down and enjoy the higher framerate and better battery life.

The Ally just gives you more options than the Steam Deck 🤷‍♀️

[solar zealot]

It also is significantly more expensive

[subtle pasture]

$50 more expensive state-side

Whis is kinda "meh" territory

[solar zealot]

They entry for 700 bucks vs 350ish

[primal laurel]

I mean the steamdeck has a higher DPI than my 4k monitor. It's pretty insane how good that looks on such a small screen

[subtle pasture]

I was comparing like-for-like. The cheap Steam Deck loses the OLED screen and has half the storage...

That's a major downgrade

[solar zealot]

There is no better performance of the more expensive one

[subtle pasture]

As close to like-for-like as I could get. All Steam Decks have the same performance

[primal laurel]

I bought the cheapest 64GB refurbished and put a 1TB SSD in it

[subtle pasture]

And I'd want the ROG Ally explicitly because I like the sreen a LOT better than the Deck's screen

[primal laurel]

I think I got the best deal

[subtle pasture]

So comparing to a Deck with an even worse screen made little sense to me

[primal laurel]

but have you seen it in IRL?

[subtle pasture]

I know what a 60Hz LCD without VRR looks like. lol

[solar zealot]

It struggles with text on games that don't like non 16:9 aspect ratios

But that's more on the game than the deck

[primal laurel]

btw, I just noticed valve has also reduced the price of all the base models as well

very nice

[solar zealot]

It's a pretty sensible upgrade if they figure out low brightness modes

Most importantly it's not disappearing in the ditch for software support

[subtle pasture]

I worry about that, honestly. Valve seems to be better these days, but there's a trail of old/discontinued hardware in their wake

The original Steam Machines, the Steam Controller, the Steam Link. All dead.

[solar zealot]

Steam Link got updates till the end of 21

[subtle pasture]

They generally still work (aside from the original Steam Machines), but good luck getting replacement parts if anything breaks.

[solar zealot]

Similar to the controller, those things sold by weight at the end

[subtle pasture]

Valve has a habit of just throwing products at the wall to see what sticks

[solar zealot]

It was the bulkiest controller I've ever held in my hands

[subtle pasture]

Hold an original Xbox "Duke" controller. lol

[solar zealot]

That thing surely could have punched a hole

Oh god I saw the images

[subtle pasture]

Chonky boi

[solar zealot]

I managed to sell my steam con it rather recently

No idea why anyone would want one

[subtle pasture]

Apparently Microsoft thought the North American market would prefer a larger controller, assuming the market would (on average) have larger hands.

The Duke was very quicky discontinued in favor the "S" controller

[solar zealot]

Very sensible decision

[subtle pasture]

I think Microsoft also misjudged the number of children vs. adults that would be playing on the console

[solar zealot]

They just were ahead of the times

[subtle pasture]

They kinda were. The original Xbox is a weird thing as far as 6th gen consoles go

It's in the same generation of console as the Dreamcast, PS2, and Gamecube, but it's the only one to have built-in networking, built-in mass storage, and a full online service.

it's basically a prototype for the 7th generation of consoles.

[elfin slate]

there was also a recent (last 5 years) re-release of the Duke (because nostalgia sells) that replaces the center orb with a LCD that shows the OG boot screen

[solar zealot]

Sad me who didn't were around to have fun with that stuff

[elfin slate]

relocates some buttons so not a true 1:1

[primal laurel]

I still got the OG xbox

but now the steamdeck also runs it via an emulator haha

[elfin slate]

modded ours a few months ago to mess around with that resurrection of the original Xbox Live called Insignia

[dusky plank]

can it play them directly from isos?

I put in a new hdd last year, changed to sata

[tardy pasture]

I like my Steam Controller, I was particularly happy with the release of Steam Deck because it brought more attention to Steam Input, with them maintaining it and more devs implementing support for it properly. Like some games just can't take a mouse input and a stick input at once but steam deck makes more devs implement it.

[slate lotus]

Hi Boys

[dusky plank]

what about the girls?

[finite atlas]

No girls allowed here, this is a boys and raccoons zone.

[glacial knot]

@last cedar do you agree?

[last cedar]

Well, being both a girl, and a raccoon, I am still trying to process

I might need to go on grape binge

Am I allowed because I am a raccoon though?

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/hayato-racoon-eat-grapes-gif-15937881

[red rock]

Of course there is a GIF of a raccoon eating a grape

[glacial knot]

Argh, I'm too slow

[clear ferry]

Cleanup friday