the-water-cooler

[last cedar]

I have to take precautions

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/i-would-put-it-in-what-i-call-a-lock-box-lock-box-advise-just-saying-press-release-gif-13008031

[last cedar]

You need a raccoon pass, for starters

Like this

[red rock]

cute

[last cedar]

Mmm!

[steel crag]

I don't think you were ever peng

[daring jolt]

yay or nay?
(if you have feedback, please ping on reply)

actually i just realized there were some problems, fixed

(for the confused tinkerer:
im thinking about rewriting the login page to look better, be faster, and not use shadow roots)

[clever mortar]

Ah... that's the question

#frontend-archived or the forum would probably be a better place to ask that, and of those two probably the forum

[daring jolt]

ill try on the forum - getting feedback from the ha community can be hard sometimes though
should i put it under uncategorized?

[clever mortar]

There's a frontend section ... I think

[daring jolt]

closest is Configuration > Frontend or Share Your Projects > Dashboards & Frontend
theres also a Development category but i fear of nobody reading it... ehh i can always try a [FEEDBACK NEEDED] tag

[rocky sandal]

Hi everyone.
Is there any translator bot to make my life easier here?

[forest edge]

english or bust.. and none of that tea drinking english either!

[rocky sandal]

já achei o primeiro babaca

tyvm

[forest edge]

wow

[umbral cliff]

There is no bot here
Use something like google translate

[golden wing]

the wait for new smart home toys is always rough

[forest edge]

excited for disappointment are you?

[golden wing]

no

[fathom sparrow]

Continue assim e não precisará mais usar um tradutor.

[steel crag]

go eat a t-rav

[forest edge]

sorry i don't speak sand

[steel crag]

that's funny, cuz it's a Misery slang

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toasted_ravioli

I guess you don't speak Missourian either

[forest edge]

an islander dictating specific states slang.. what will you guys do next? lol

[steel crag]

dictating? I was literally repeating LOL

it's ok if you don't know what colloquially means

there's many dictionary sites you can look it up on

[forest edge]

well noone says t-rav.. that shit lists st louis which is a cesspool as is so likely some youngin trying to start something that didn't stick

[scenic radish]

For all the h8rs out there || @steel crag ||, it's got a black seat and grips now

[steel crag]

if you read the article it says the 1940's... so that's some 'youngster'

[steel crag]

they see me rollin' they hatin'

[forest edge]

considering they claim raviolis were invented in the 1940's theres where your slang started and died lol

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/rolling-fred-durst-rollin-rollin-gif-25573570

[iron granite]

I'm getting hungry

[steel crag]

they didn't claim to invent ravioli in the 1940's they said one fell in a deep fryer

https://www.riverfronttimes.com/news/t-rav-nation-how-the-st-louis-favorite-gets-made-36137295 yeah this looks like the 1940's?

[forest edge]

welcome to the new world

[steel crag]

look its more pics from the 1940's https://www.feastmagazine.com/restaurants/st-louis-first-t-rav-concept-stl-toasted-is-now-serving-sweet-and-savory-ravioli/article_69339d12-e684-11ec-987a-bf271bf7874e.html

[forest edge]

st louis is more of a illinois city, they just couldn't fit it next to chicago so anything st louis isn't mo

[iron granite]

451: Unavailable due to legal reasons 🤣

[steel crag]

it's ok for you to say other people know more about what's happening in your state you know

[forest edge]

thats some quality net ya got there

[iron granite]

The net is fine.

[clear ferry]

Murica hates this one trick

Gdpr

[iron granite]

"We recognize you are attempting to access this website from a country belonging to the European Economic Area (EEA) including the EU which enforces the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) and therefore access cannot be granted at this time."

[forest edge]

sounds just like someone who would think they know about somewhere they haven't been more than the locals would say.. as I already made such similiar statement lol

[steel crag]

well you have many of your 'locals' that know what a t-rav is

and you don't

[forest edge]

you just keep doubling down don't you? lol

[steel crag]

so that effectively means you know less than most locals, and apparently islanders

"no one calls it that here"
but literally everyone else does

so you're the odd one out

[forest edge]

just keep doubling down...

[steel crag]

I double down, then split

follow me for more blackjack advice

[iron granite]

[forest edge]

it's ok. i can forgive an islanders ability to not know any better

[steel crag]

well I ain't from the show me state

at least that's a plus

[forest edge]

apparently

[steel crag]

"That man is from Missouri — you'll have to show him"

so that's what I'm doing, showing you

[iron granite]

You should stop squabbling! quadflight is going to be jealous

[steel crag]

I'm not squabbling 😛 besides quad will come and react just you watch

[forest edge]

well according to jorg everything you know about the "states" comes from the EU.. I think you just showed yourself your problem lol

[steel crag]

do you even process what you type beforehand?

I've been all over the states LOL

have you been all over the states?

[forest edge]

you already stated you never been to MO

so i guess try back tracking now?

[steel crag]

you're right, but I've been to Chicago which is as you said "right next door"

[forest edge]

which is not MO..

[steel crag]

infact I believe you said St. Louis was also not MO

so theres that

[forest edge]

in both the literal and the how we view st louis sense

[steel crag]

how you view, there's 2.8million people in St. Louis that feel differently than you do

[forest edge]

your hole is getting deeper.. maybe pause to find a ladder?

[steel crag]

I love going deep in holes

[forest edge]

no comment

[steel crag]

never needed a ladder to get out

and I've been 2.4 miles underground

in a mine built by the Romans

[forest edge]

youtube creators being able to make enough money to be able to lease a commercial building, have it completely revamped and still afford all of that along with daily cost of living without a supplemental job is stupid

I cannot wait till that whole thing blows up

[iron granite]

Erm... no? It's a US website that denies access, because they don't comply to GDPR regulations

[forest edge]

what you wrote above read diffrent

[steel crag]

Jorg unless you have lots of time and crayons, he won't get it

[red rock]

How much do you think about the Roman empire?

[steel crag]

well when I went on holidays I would look for Roman forts, roads, and other POI.... some trips we would do castles and forts

lots of them in England where I mostly grew up

[red rock]

Nice

[forest edge]

brit who suffered too much sun and sand.. need i say more

[steel crag]

Americans are basically exactly that tho

brits who suffered in the heat of the new world

[forest edge]

only a small portion

not even sure you can even say american's once were from the east.. diversity and old age kind of killed off all the lineage's lol

the stick was finally removed some say lol

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-daddy-daddy-daddy-af-chew-gif-14733103

[steel crag]

I thought you only called Tom Holland daddy

[last cedar]

To be fair.... I would if I could, even if it didn't sit right morally for me

[last cedar]

raccoons are lit

NICE

[scenic radish]

deez nuts

Now tinkerer can yell at people better

use a damn code share site

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/star-trek-data-laugh-funny-giggle-gif-16144203

[steel crag]

that's a gem of a gif

[late gate]

I have had the most lucky two days. This just doesnt happen often. It was issues with the debugging system, so I could not build the C# project and I worked on it for two days, and just wrote code hoping for the best. When the compiler worked it actual ran though it without a single error, not even a comma, and that is about 1000 lines of code. I never experienced coding blind with back and frontend for two days and not have a single error. I deserve to brag about that haha

[hearty rock]

hot damn that is indeed an accomplishment

[steel crag]

the win is a win

[late gate]

hehe, I should write it on my CV :p

never going to happen again

[steel crag]

put the code on it

[hearty rock]

@late gate I had a test-driven automated system set up at one point, whenever I saved a file it'd fire off the appropriate piece of the test suite and pop a desktop notification of pass/fail

My usual development process was 1) write the tests 2) fail the tests a whole bunch of times 3) it works finally, let's commit

there was often a 2.5) curse like a sailor

[late gate]

haha yeah. I tried to do test driven before but I dont have the patience, so ends up with cowboy coding

[hearty rock]

I had such a hard time figuring out what tests needed to be written, and then how to write the tests

but man it's nice to have the tests say your code does what the tests say it should do

[late gate]

with AI that is easy now

[hearty rock]

haha my first paid dev work was to improve this "wizard" web thing to post listings on ebay
and I get in there and I dub the coding style "Two Drunk Texans" because it was done by two dudes and a bunch of booze overnight

And it was like fourteen thousand lines of mishmashed HTML and PHP
with zero functions

[late gate]

when I have big arrays I usually run it through AI to check for ident and commas

[hearty rock]

I rewrote from scratch and they loved the final thing

[hearty rock]

good idea

[late gate]

I dont get people who say AI is cheating. why not use the tools we have?

I use Github Copilot

that works great

[primal laurel]

Cheating in what context?

For school I understand, but in the real world...?

[finite atlas]

i mean, isnt school about learning how to cheat?

[primal laurel]

only if your attitude is to pass the exams, and not to learn

[clear ferry]

Just be me

Pass 26 certifications in 12 months

Read for one of them

[finite atlas]

you like actually learned in school?

[primal laurel]

I am still

[finite atlas]

i feel sorry for you

i learned more outside of school, then inside

[late gate]

braindumps?

[clear ferry]

No

No cheating for any of them

I just put my 16 years of enterprise experience on paper

Only one I studied for was the CKA and I only did half the course

[primal laurel]

*than😂

[glacial knot]

16 years of experience with kubernetes 🙂

[glacial knot]

yea, it shows 😉

[primal laurel]

Why?

[primal laurel]

Had to do it

[late gate]

Show off proudly your brand new Windows 3.11 for Workgroups certification!

[finite atlas]

Yeah sorry, my inglish is not the very yellowst of ze egg.

[finite atlas]

I aint find school fun and barely learned something useful there.

[primal laurel]

What kind of school are we talking about?

[clear ferry]

Four azure ones at least

[glacial knot]

secondary ed was a bit boring. Mostly since it is designed around slow people. Higher ed did a better job of actually being interesting

[primal laurel]

Here highschool has about 6 different levels you can follow, from trades to university

[glacial knot]

where's "here"? 🤔

[primal laurel]

Netherlands

[clear ferry]

I did vocational high school and tried one year of college and said fuck no

[primal laurel]

It all depends on what you want to do later

[glacial knot]

I wouldn't be able to sit through boring lectures for some payoff 5 years in the future

I just got lucky that CS is piss easy even at higher ed levels 🤷

[primal laurel]

you just gotta find something that is fun

the payoff of a degree is pretty substantial in tech

[glacial knot]

is it? I've never actually shown my degree to my first employer
And the second didn't really care

[clear ferry]

I earn 3x what my friends with a degree earn

Except the guy who did a doctorate

He does good

[primal laurel]

My field is electrical engineering, they won't even consider you without a degree

Sysadmin, cloud, 90% of software engineering you can do without a degree

[tidal bronze]

Life is too complicated 😃

[glacial knot]

quad, which one is it? do you have a PhD or no formal education?

[tidal bronze]

Never used any of my formal education to make it. I now feel I wasted all those years. Wish I started investments and real-estate few years earlier.

Money logic defies any type of formal education.

[primal laurel]

Real estate is a joke though

The dumbest people I ever met work in real estate

Including my landlords

[tidal bronze]

How many properties you own and what's your level of appreciation on them?

[primal laurel]

Zero

[tidal bronze]

Best not talk about things you have Zero knowledge of

[primal laurel]

Do you need to own something to have knowledge about it?

[tidal bronze]

With money yes.

[primal laurel]

Like I said, I live in NL. Properties here are for boomers and rich people

[tidal bronze]

Oh just because something out of your scope does not mean it's dumb. Just my 2c

Then of course, there are dumb engineers and dumb property owners. But can't generalize any of them.

[primal laurel]

I despise all property owners. They feed on the poor

All of them

[tidal bronze]

Ah case of emotional support

Life ain't fair however you cut it.

[primal laurel]

The situation here is so bad most of my friends have emigrated

And I will too

[tidal bronze]

Sorry to hear that, hope you find your peace

[dusky plank]

Time for some 💩 post

[hidden radish]

ROFL! (at the video)

[primal laurel]

I will, once I am free of parasitic landlords

[glacial knot]

don't worry, we'll eat quad first

[static schooner]

To know your enemy, you must become your enemy

[tidal bronze]

Eat my property managers. Leave me alone 🤣

[glacial knot]

Does eating work?

[tidal bronze]

Always

Whenever in doubt drink wine and eat.

[static schooner]

As the saying goes...

[glacial knot]

So you understand cows and lobster very well?

[static schooner]

Only their innate deliciousness

I assume they know how delicious they are

[tidal bronze]

All you can eat lobster FTW

[glacial knot]

They seem to be sad

[tidal bronze]

I doubt that

Was singing songs

[glacial knot]

You were singing? Maybe that's the reason

[tidal bronze]

Alaskan king crab, well not that happy.

[winged obsidian]

Right, and Kansas City is more of a Kansas city. Nobody sane admits they live in Misery.

[tidal bronze]

Oh boy

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/bane-batman-gif-12311761

GIFs you can hear

[golden wing]

Not a huge fan of Kauf bulbs so far

See below message. Brian has been helping and it seems like the issue wasn't with the product itself

Restore mode always on seems to result in a boot loop

Seems like this was an issue with flashing and not the bulbs themselves.

[clear ferry]

Nicht kauf

[solar zealot]

ja ja

[gilded pagoda]

next thing that will see some home automation, my Bar 😄 it will at least get some indirect lighting

[late gate]

got my iphone 15 pro today (work) and im quite happy with it. Honestly my old 12 pro could probably last another year

[gilded pagoda]

waiting for mine, i want usb-c 😅

[steel crag]

pigeons can finally rest

https://www.speedtest.net/result/15284720152

[late gate]

Im just waiting for the EU directive on sideloading is in effect

should be anytime now

Ok, Noob question. The switches I bought is L3 switches with UI and CLI. Its so many options even with stuff like DNS. I have not been working with L3 before, just tagged some VLANS from opnsense. Is it somewhere I can learn how to manage a L3 switch, or is it any keypoints I should look at on a L3 switch vs a L2?

[steel crag]

well what brand is it

main key point, L3 switches can route

[gilded pagoda]

ye same here, i‘m from germany so they will have to deploy that over here 😄

[late gate]

I wish it also happens on the AppleTV. the partner wants to use a brower on it cause its the only access to some K-drama stuff

so we have shield and appletv

[tidal bronze]

8 years later people are excited about USB C

I guess fast charge in 16 years 🤣

[iron granite]

Or USB3 speed

[tidal bronze]

Comedy at it's best

[late gate]

I am not excited about USB-C perse, but I think its time

tbh I dont really have an issue with cables cause of wireless charging

[tidal bronze]

I am dying here 😭

[late gate]

but USB-C will make it easier if other companies would just start with USB c

[tidal bronze]

You should pack up while you can this is not going to end well

[late gate]

apple is a love/hate. I hate the prices, I hate the lockin (the lockin will be less when the EU directive starts), but I love the UI and the tight integration between units

I use windows for dev at work, and I would guarantee I would be more effective on a mac

[umbral cliff]

iPhones could charge at 25w for years at this point
That isn't anything new even for iphone

[tidal bronze]

Tight it is

[late gate]

at least they did it

the worst thing is Im not an apple fanboy

[tidal bronze]

But it's tight

[late gate]

If work didnt pay I dont think I would spend that much money for their hardware

AppleTV is still far the best UI for a tv box

[tidal bronze]

Ahhh I don't want to waste my time on some garbage. What's everyone one having for dinner.

[umbral cliff]

Honestly iPhone prices are just flagship phone prices. They're all around the same

[tidal bronze]

High on kool-aid?

[umbral cliff]

Have some of that fried ravioli mentioned above by @steel crag

[steel crag]

nice

t-rav

[late gate]

@tidal bronze which one is better?

[umbral cliff]

Can agree at least compared to Chromecast

[tidal bronze]

Right on.

[late gate]

shield with 39% adv?

Plex is just shitty they didnt integrate atmos. infuse does atomos native now on appletv

[tidal bronze]

Time to move on with your USB C. Day too late dollar too short buddy.

[umbral cliff]

Quad isn't jealous since he just carries phones around for fun

[late gate]

hehe, I would not mind having an android, but when I have ipad, macbook, apple watch, appletv and iphone I dont think its clever

[tidal bronze]

I wouldn't use anything apple for a door stopper. But hey that's just me.

[late gate]

my last macbook lasted me for almost 10 years

[tidal bronze]

Good for you. Apple will send you a cookie soon.

[late gate]

but of course I will be more productive in windows at work when I get more used to it

I dont mind windows at all

or linux

[tidal bronze]

Or a lightning to USB C adapter?

[umbral cliff]

See quad is an android elitist
Aleks just wants something to work and is happy with how it is

[late gate]

I dont agree with most of those business decisions of apple

like repair, lock-in, elitist, prices that is not worth it, all the adapters and cables etc

[tidal bronze]

Elitist huh? Best compliment i got in 2023. ❤️

[late gate]

thats why I am so happy EU is actually pushing them to get their senses into place. apple would never go USB-C unless it was pushed. They earn probably a shitload on the cables

[tidal bronze]

Oh wow

[umbral cliff]

Eh the adaptors and cables aren't too crazy
Provides backwards compatibility
And anything USB C can be done with any cable now too

[tidal bronze]

Does it really matter?

[late gate]

I have a couple of hubs that I have with me that give plenty of ports, even vga

but I think they should have put an USB-A and a RJ45 on the macbook

[umbral cliff]

RJ45 would've been too thick for what they wanted
But yeah USB a would be neat

[late gate]

what I like about the Ipad is I can connect it to my monitor and it acts like a computer, and a really fast computer cause of the M2 chip

[tidal bronze]

Lmao

[late gate]

the lack of USB a is jsust a money grab

[tidal bronze]

So old-school it's too funny

[late gate]

I am thinkering though with the homelab. my mac stuff just works. I do a lot of development. easy with docker, easy with console etc,

its just plain easier

no driver issues

[umbral cliff]

Do you use a laptop quad?

[tidal bronze]

May the force be with you 1980

[tidal bronze]

Sometimes

[late gate]

its still can be interessting getting nvidia and dual or triple screen in linux

its suh a hit and miss

or proper gpu rendering of web browsers

its just so many small things that yes can be fixed, but require tinkering

But never say never. Before I had android and iphone every other time

cause Ilike the freedom of android

my home assistant dashboards area android of course

[tidal bronze]

@late gate you don't have to upsell or defend anything here. Take a deep breath. No one really cares specially not me. It's Friday. Have a glass of wine enjoy the finer things in life.

[late gate]

no, im just trying to say that I dont use mac cause I am a mac cultist.

[tidal bronze]

Don't have to be brand loyal in 2023

[umbral cliff]

Quad trying to not look like a brand loyalist whilst hating on anyone else's choices

[tidal bronze]

Oh not me @umbral cliff I could care less

Whatever works, works, is my policy in life

[forest edge]

is that why all these Californians move here and brag about how nice it is to live here cause they are not sane? sounds about right to me lol

[umbral cliff]

<@&330946878646517761>

[tidal bronze]

Here?

[forest edge]

There?

[steel crag]

<@&330946878646517761> #diy-archived message

possible scammer, definitely spammer

actually they hit a few channels

[tidal bronze]

Where?

[static schooner]

Where's on third

[dusky plank]

You don‘t want fastcharge if you want your phone to last some years

[static schooner]

charge overnight, don't care how long it takes, use during day

[clear ferry]

I replace my phone every 2 years, never noticed any degradation with fast charge

[dusky plank]

I just replaced my 5 year old phone

[clear ferry]

I don't think I've ever had a phone more than 3 years the last 26 years

[dusky plank]

Mr. E-waste producer

[forest edge]

pixel 3 ftw

[primal laurel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IS0SItAzEXg

well the iphone 15 isnt going to last you long, damn

[dusky plank]

my 5 year old phone doesn't have single scratch

And the new one is already protected too

[forest edge]

my pixel 3 is in an otter box. i could throw it at the wall and not get a scratch lol

[dusky plank]

walls do scratches?

[forest edge]

your walls made of marshmallow?

[dusky plank]

are we there again? cardboard vs concrete? I think you will lose

[forest edge]

i mean you made the statement. you tell me what your walls are made of and what makes scratches lol

[last cedar]

Why is there a giant CD in your phone?!

[dusky plank]

if you throw something at it it usually breaks something of, thats a little different from a scratch isn't it?

[dusky plank]

thats because it plays ABBA 24/7

[forest edge]

depends how cheap of a phone you buy I suppose

I have thrown a couple over the years never had one break something off

only dents and scratches

depends how hard you throw it against the wall too

[dusky plank]

the last phone I threw was a motorola razr (the original)

and it flew through the whole cinema

the upper part including the screen broke off

but the phone itself worked fine, I could navigate blind no problem because of the simple menu and the loudspeaker on the bottom part allowed me to still hear while talking

it was just a keyboard at this point 😂

[forest edge]

phones with hinges is kind of something diffrent

[iron granite]

The bigger question is: why is SonomaGTS using an otter box and not a raccoon box?

[forest edge]

simple. I need it to be realiable and strong. not soft and squishy and good for 3d printing

[last cedar]

Dancing queen?

[last cedar]

He just dislikes raccoons, no idea why

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/uhura-startrek-nichellenichols-smh-no-gif-5578648

[daring jolt]

irony

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/lie-detector-maury-povich-paternity-liar-gif-12599954

[solar zealot]

:wires:

[atomic flame]

My Home Assistant built in my image, literally

[solar zealot]

nice

[wintry hazel]

I remember the ads for those. I'm surprised it stopped before it hits the centre of the earth

[clear ferry]

Well my telegram bot got tested last night

I have an automation that notifies me if a device disconnects because the battery is probably dead

It took some time to die

And I had 2800 notifications when I woke up

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/hes-dead-star-trek-bones-gif-15263308

[tidal bronze]

Must be a vibrating battery powered device

[clear ferry]

Thankfully I haven't had sound or vibration my phone for 15 years

[tidal bronze]

Must be pretty lonely

[glacial knot]

the trick is to actually meet people D:

[clear ferry]

Yeah, nobody actually calls anyone for the last decade anyway

If they do it's on teams

[late gate]

I mean… how dead important can it be? It makes it sound like the dishwasher will blow up lol

[ocean oar]

I'm more concerned that DOWNLOADING the update apparently took 2 minutes.
Like fair enough if you've got terrible internet, but how much crap have they stuffed into it that the file could be that big?

[tidal bronze]

Village life I guess

[static schooner]

who needs a phone when you have a town crier?

I don't really need it, given that I have my own domain, wireguard connection, and ability to expose servers via NGINX, but Tailscale is stupid-simple to set up and use

[clear ferry]

Sorry we aren't the US with landlines and shitty power infrastructure, we can't all be living in the 80s

[static schooner]

all the kids keep talking about it, so I decided to see what all the fuss was about

[clear ferry]

I prefer not having other people manage my vpns

[winged obsidian]

If you don’t install the update, hackers will wash your dishes!

[late gate]

Gigabit internet hehe

[late gate]

I wish!

[ocean oar]

If only they could figure out how to load and unload the dishwasher remotely, right?

[tidal bronze]

Would it really matter? Who in their right mind would be interested in a tiny village in a tiny country?

[tidal bronze]

Tailscale is excellent. I run self hosted zerotier as well.

[prisma briar]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ColoradoSprings/comments/16r7zsb/this_lil_guy_ate_the_old_crabapples_from_my_tree/

[willow sundial]

Me: "Whats up with automation..."
sits down at desk
3 hours pass as I look up how to run MacOS in a VM on linux
walks away from desk then remembers about the automation

[daring jolt]

okay i finally realized
it spells out "hio" as in home assistant io
but now im just stunned that my brain sees the home assistant logo and can think "h" not "m"

[static schooner]

Pretty sure it's Home Assistant (the icon) 1 0 (10 years)

You have to both squint and know something (the anniversary) so it's far from intuitive

[daring jolt]

oh 10 might make sense too

[last cedar]

Hangovers are NOT fun

[steel crag]

Part 1 2 and 3 were all fun

[solar zealot]

🦒

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/gross-eek-gif-27131035

[fading sandal]

Anyone know a good zigbee smart plug type F that doesn't do coil whine ?

[young sigil]

#hardware-archived

[iron granite]

@steel crag

[steel crag]

they amount they lay on my wireless charger I suspect this is coming soon

[red rock]

usb-Cat

[iron granite]

Short: USB-C

[primal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/gif-pet-excavator-fall-over-gif-16044753

just a cat going the wrong way

[red rock]

lmfao

[steel crag]

nah my cats are wireless, can confirm

they would eat the wires and prolly hang themselves if tethered

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/drifting-bulldozer-coming-on-my-way-sliding-into-dms-hello-there-gif-13568079

[static schooner]

Earth Mover - Forest Drift

[steel crag]

that gif was too busy

[static schooner]

my eyes and brain thank you

[steel crag]

https://tenor.com/view/soe-salome-gschwind-soembie-nori-gif-21325519

[static schooner]

jiggling a cable can help detect faults

[steel crag]

percussive maintenance or just jiggly wiggly

sorry but I like to be scientific in my approach

[red rock]

Cat 5e

[clear ferry]

There is clearly only one cat

[last cedar]

Sometimes cats are worth more than 1 cat

[forest edge]

bobcats are nice. they hunt racoons

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/shit-fail-gif-7704870

[dusky plank]

opnsense you a little schmuck

[static schooner]

You shouldn't have called it a schmuck 🙂

[dusky plank]

It lets you edit the field, submit and then says „fuck you“.
I‘m entitled to do so.

[static schooner]

Yeah, that kind of UI is really annoying

Ha! Made you type!

[last cedar]

Bobcats love doormats, come to think of it, all cats love doormats

[scenic radish]

You know what else really grinds my gears? When websites use 6 separate text fields for MFA codes, especially when pasting doesn't work

Like...why. just make it a single field

[static schooner]

luckily, pasting works most of the time

[scenic radish]

Indeed

[static schooner]

I especially like when the password manager (1Password, in my case) autofills it

[scenic radish]

I can't bring myself to use the authenticator feature in 1password

Seems to defeat the purpose of MFA

I use Aegis on mobile for MFA

[static schooner]

only if they get into your vault

but I get it

[scenic radish]

Well yeah, but still

Admittedly unlikely given 1password's security model, but I still can't do it

[hearty rock]

I still don't understand how windows hello for business is supposed to be more secure than a password

everyone ends up setting the same PIN on every machine they touch anyway

[scenic radish]

More like Windows hell no amirite

[hearty rock]

I've been tagging the "allow other characters" box and just having them put their password as their PIN

that way they're typing their password every day to login and it's less likely they forget it

[red rock]

talking about that

I just tried wget in powershell

and powershell was like

I need internet explorer engine

[scenic radish]

Insert tried to get into heaven meme here

[hearty rock]

ugh, there's a current piece of hotel management software by Oracle

which is presented as a Java Applet in Edge's Internet Explorer Compatibility Mode. Plus you have to disable some security things, and disable enhanced security in adobe reader.

it looks like it might have been a spiffy piece of software when I was in high school in the 90s, and hasn't moved an inch since then

[red rock]

loooool

[hearty rock]

thousands and thousands of dollars a month

for software that's being presented in a way the rest of the industry has regarded as a Bad Idea for over a decade

[glacial knot]

Colleague asked what the purpose of java is today. Now that we have containers

We determined, legacy programmers

[hearty rock]

Oracle spent entirely too much money acquiring Java, they're not going to abandon it just because the rest of the industry says so

[clear ferry]

yuck oracle

[hearty rock]

they acquired this hotel software when they bought Micros point-of-sale and it totally doesn't match with anything else Oracle uses, but big hotels like Hyatt and Hilton use it so it's a profit center so they keep it going

but it's kind of like the red-headed stepchild

[winged obsidian]

Given the stupid rules and frequent rotation required of my corporate passwords, which lead to using stupid corporate passwords, I'd say

password manager >windows hello >> corporate passwords

[hearty rock]

ugh password rotation

has been proven to be less secure than never-expiring passwords

mostly because people either forget the new password
or they form a pattern with their passwords that makes it actually easier to crack

no longer considered best practice, and yet so many companies enforce it

(including oracle on this stupid hotel software)

my solution so far has been working well, M365 credentials are primary credentials, and then I setup SSO to the password manager

so the credential they have to remember is their Microsoft credential

[winged obsidian]

Drives me extra crazy because it's the corporate drones who do whatever else MS says, yet won't pay attention to MS saying that specific thing. Also prohibiting a password manager on the corporate device. So here we are - my corporate password sucks, my personal passwords are long, random, and unique per site. I've no doubt that many others on this channel can say the exact same thing.

[hearty rock]

and I think SMS-jacking is low enough risk in this small town I've just been using phone codes for MFA

having a special token app is a bit on the advanced side for a lot of my users

I had one the other day, I remoted in and fixed her problem and got her all set, and then just as we were about to hang up she says "This doesn't look right."

oh dear. "What doesn't look right?"
"There's this box on the lower left with a whole bunch of icons, I've never seen that"

"... You mean the Start menu?"
"I donno, I've never seen it before!"

I remote back in, and yep it's th start menu

[winged obsidian]

I do confess to using 1Password for TOTP. I know a lot of people don't like it. But comparing the attack vectors on that with others, I'm willing to live with it. Especially when plan B is I have to text my wife to ask for the OTP that was just texted to her phone for a shared account.

[hearty rock]

I use Keeper and yeah I'm slowly moving my TOTP tokens into it

[winged obsidian]

Windows 11 will rock her world.

[hearty rock]

the only good news about windows 11 is it's going to generate a goodly chunk of billable project time, upgrading all the endpoints in my fleet

[winged obsidian]

Despite my username, there is no way in the world I'd have the patience to do your job.

[hearty rock]

I am seriously amazed at how valuable people consider a friendly nerd who's on the phone with them anytime they need help

and yeah, I do have to regain my patience by reminding myself that these people aren't here to know how to operate a computer, they're here to know how to operate a hotel, or law firm, or mechanic's shop, etc, and it's my job to help make their job easier

[dusky plank]

iwr is a thing of beaty - they love it so much at MS that they thought it's a good idea to fool their users and make it alias curl. try it, its horrible!

[winged obsidian]

Pre-2018, they had a bunch of SSH commands aliased too. Much more usable now that they include the actual package. Never tried iwr. I prefer this :

% curl --version
curl 8.1.2 (x86_64-apple-darwin23.0) libcurl/8.1.2 (SecureTransport) LibreSSL/3.3.6 zlib/1.2.12 nghttp2/1.55.1
Release-Date: 2023-05-30
Protocols: dict file ftp ftps gopher gophers http https imap imaps ldap ldaps mqtt pop3 pop3s rtsp smb smbs smtp smtps telnet tftp
Features: alt-svc AsynchDNS GSS-API HSTS HTTP2 HTTPS-proxy IPv6 Kerberos Largefile libz MultiSSL NTLM NTLM_WB SPNEGO SSL threadsafe UnixSockets

[dusky plank]

aha a Sonoma user

[forest edge]

leave my smtp alone

STILL the most reliable notification thing yet.. even over the app because those notification go poof after reading

[static schooner]

don't mess with gopher, that's for sure

I'm asumed that there's a secure gopher

seems like the secure version is "don't use gopher"

[last cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/caddy-shack-cute-dance-gif-12835212

@static schooner Gordon?

[clever mortar]

That's software I haven't heard about for years

[static schooner]

gopher was interesting in my first year of undergrad

[winged obsidian]

Archie anyone? Veronica?

[static schooner]

before the newfangled World Wide Web

I remember because one of my fellow students had something about being a "gopher resource" in his email signature

as in "come ask me about gopher!"

[winged obsidian]

"gopher resource" sounds like a euphemism for my garden

[static schooner]

he was a bit British and bit pretentious

[winged obsidian]

"come ask me about Veronica" sounds...wrong

[tidal bronze]

Poof? So you don't like the sound?

[clear ferry]

Oh wow I remember gopher

[forest edge]

you drunk?

[tidal bronze]

Not yet

[steel crag]

one is never a 'bit' British

[steel crag]

I'll join you later 😛

[tidal bronze]

Sounds like a plan. Taking a brake from washing the car.

[steel crag]

don't take the brakes off the car

[tidal bronze]

Lmao. Pissed with the foam cannon. Haven't used in a while.

Damn thing is acting up. Gotta switch to rinseless for now.

[static schooner]

I only use a foam cannon when my car is filthy (like now). Otherwise, it's rinseless all the way

[steel crag]

I gotta wash my car and mom's truck

prolly going to take the truck to the car wash out on the main road because that shit is filthy underneath

[tidal bronze]

Oh boy don't tell me you run your stuff through a car wash. Heartbreaking

[tidal bronze]

I like to see foam 😃, my guy is on vacation and I will not let anyone else touch mine. I am OCD about swirls and marring

[forest edge]

lulz

you washing a car that hasn't left the garage since you bought it?

you wash it with the factory protected sticky film still attached or do you finally remove those prior?

[tidal bronze]

Lmao. Went to Costco few times. Honestly they are still there. 😆

[forest edge]

figured as much lol

scratches and dings is what makes it personalized

[tidal bronze]

Scratches one thing. Having to do paint correction is another.

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/ford-f100-truck-old-trucks-drift-turning-back-gif-24937347

pristine

[tidal bronze]

Looks like it's missing ESP and AWD

[forest edge]

lol awd

most people outside of california can traverse wet pavement without needing awd

[tidal bronze]

AWD is a must.

[forest edge]

for you lol

you probably walk on all fours too.. otherwise you'd lose traction and fall in the airport

https://tenor.com/view/dont-ask-weird-running-defy-human-abilities-gif-14176201

[tidal bronze]

@static schooner ONR or Absolute?

[static schooner]

ONR

I've been slacking off

[steel crag]

I said the car wash, it's not an automatic car wash

we only have one of those here and it never works

[prisma briar]

I miss my old ultra-light RWD pickup truck

But it needed more maintenance than made sense

I used to drift around every corner in the winter in that thing, partially because if I stopped I couldn't get going on the ice again

And it'd start sliding at like 3mph in the snow

One time I got stuck on a steep hill with it because the road had too much gravel on it and I had no weight on the back

[steel crag]

that's why my cars are all AWD

and I don't live in the snow, or where there's many hills

[tidal bronze]

Used to be ONR only but absolute I feel is slicker

[tidal bronze]

Ah OK then

@static schooner what's your favorite QD?

[forest edge]

lol car wash discussion? https://y.yarn.co/1e8c1574-3710-4f4b-996c-3613961c7713_text.gif

[static schooner]

I use https://optimumcarcare.com/product/opti-coat-no-rinse-16-oz- followed by https://optimumcarcare.com/product/opti-coat-hyper-seal-16-oz-new-formula

this stuff is magical for cleaning wheels: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00VSTMS6G

[tidal bronze]

Thanks for the Sonax will try it out.

I use P&S Bead Maker and Dream Maker mix as drying aid. Now and then Gyeon wet coat.

[forest edge]

I use the rain. most environmentally safe product on the planet

[tidal bronze]

Rain no good. High TDS

[forest edge]

umm.. no?

are you eating your car wash foam?

[tidal bronze]

No, when it rains 362 days.

Yes when it rains 8 days a year

[forest edge]

must be that califronia pollutant air then lol

shit is catching all that smog on the way down lmao

[tidal bronze]

That or not only deionized water on panels.

[forest edge]

you would bitch about rain. you use more water than 200 people on a daily average and complain about rain lol

[tidal bronze]

You nuts. I use rinseless shower method.

[forest edge]

i don't want to know

[tidal bronze]

Leaves everything pretty glossy you know

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/cleaning-the-car-viralhog-let-the-storm-clean-the-car-good-weather-to-clean-the-car-washing-the-car-gif-24654165

[static schooner]

I have an RO/DI system that feeds into 2 20 gallon and 2 10 gallon tanks for coffee and car washes 🙂

go big or go home

[tidal bronze]

That's what I am talking about. I have a spotless system for cars.

[static schooner]

it's enough to feed my pressure washer without choking

[tidal bronze]

1.6 gpm?

[static schooner]

my colleague has one of those, but had some issues with (ran out of resin too quickly?) and moved over to my system 🙂

4 3/8" lines feeding into a 5/8" hose

[tidal bronze]

The last spotless was a shit show. This one is hanging in there.

[static schooner]

My PW is a Kranzle (no relation, I'm sure)

[tidal bronze]

Oh you gone proh pro. Right on 😀

[static schooner]

care of https://www.obsessedgarage.com/

[tidal bronze]

Love their stuff.

[static schooner]

Matt Moreman is my hero

[tidal bronze]

But lately I am turning out to be a P&S fan.

Well other than GSF

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/car-wash-wash-car-hand-wash-gif-21316902

[static schooner]

Washing my car was a nice, therapeutic activity, but like I said, been slacking off for a year or so

[tidal bronze]

For me it's relaxing. Something to zone out.

[static schooner]

I was waiting for the guy to lick a spot

[forest edge]

you guys need new hobbies lol

learn billards

[tidal bronze]

Done and done

[forest edge]

I use to play pool all the time, even on a league for awhile

[tidal bronze]

Well I need to find people who can play after 5 or 6 bottles of wine. Can't hand hold wee into the night.

[static schooner]

yeah, but how clean were your balls?

[forest edge]

goodluck.. your probably the only pool player who drinks wine on the planet

[tidal bronze]

Actually no one I hang out with drinks beer. Wine or Scotch. Only!

Can't hang with lightweights

[forest edge]

sounds boring lol

check that sweater tied around the neck and docker shorts at the door please

[tidal bronze]

Oh and JD is not whiskey 🤣

[forest edge]

you would be like a virgin walking into a brothel for the first time at the bars i played pool at lol

[tidal bronze]

Would love to see that one day. Free so many bars all over the world I am yet to meet a match.

Well, I take it back Moscow gave me a run for the money.

[forest edge]

old irish pubs look nicer than the shit I use to go into lol

[tidal bronze]

https://maps.app.goo.gl/oQTo6eMymEVxs2xM9 fav place.

10pm and things go bonkers 🤣

[steel crag]

so is CLR

[forest edge]

people look too well dressed in that bar. pass

[static schooner]

Sonax is magic, almost no touch, but it changes color to red as it works and can create a mess on concrete if you don't rinse thoroughly

it works best when the wheels are dry, so I always start by spraying the wheels and let it work while I set up the rest of the equipments (pressure washer, bucket of ONR, towels, etc.)

then spray it off while I spray down the car

[hearty rock]

they got a really great house band, they've got a few songs on youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izs5YGk1zEg

[tidal bronze]

Used to go there a lot. Love the atmosphere don't remember much though.

[hearty rock]

cos you got right and proper blotto every time you went, of course

[last cedar]

https://reddit.com/r/Carpentry/s/PxznmggV2B

Awww

[late gate]

Depedency error, google => full of affiliate "articles", reddit => a case from 1997 that you have to compile your own binaries from an outdated library

[glacial knot]

In that order.

[glacial knot]

sounds about right. Back in 1998 😂

[clear ferry]

I don't know if you have run linux since 1997, because we have had working package managers for a few decades 😉

Can't say I've had any dependency errors since 2001 that I didn't cause myself

[glacial knot]

Eh, I still had some around 2008 or so
Haven't seen 'em in the last 10ish years though

Dnf might still produce some 🤔

[clear ferry]

yikes

I hate dnf

give me zypper

I still have PTSD from slapt-get

[dusky plank]

wasn't X supposed to be open readable without login?
or was that Twitter and musk said fuck it?

even facebook is more open than this

I don't have any accounts there. last time I agreed to FB terms was around 2016 and deleted my account

[red rock]

what about brew?

[glacial knot]

X is deprecated either way. Get with the time and join https://wayland.social

[last cedar]

Totally inaccurate, windows never gets to 20%, you leave it for hours and hours and it never moves....

[glacial knot]

jumps from 6% to 60% but never gives any indication of what it's doing 😮

[umbral cliff]

I've had Ubuntu decide it didn't need the kernel or Sudo or apt or any other package before during an upgrade

Can't say I've had windows do that

[clear ferry]

LOL

Never seen that happen

then again, I don't touch ubuntu anymore

what a load of garbage

[clear ferry]

I always assume it is timing out the horrible scripts

[dusky plank]

Great, I will get yet another Laptop to my collection. This time a Dell! Can‘t wait to not turn it on

[clear ferry]

Time to put them to use as pi replacements

[harsh heath]

I was thinking the other day, wouldn't the dumb devices with remote controllers be generally best/most reliable in terms of integration to HA? In comparison to battling with Zigbee/Z-Wave plugs and such, you'd just use an IR blaster. And there would be more devices in the market that would work with IR then it would with our more exotic radio waves.

I know I'm probably re-discovering the known stuff, but I don't see a lot of people talking about this. It's more like 80% Zigbee/Z-Wave/Wifi all the time. Am I missing something here?

Hmm maybe other than taking the states of IR devices optimistically, what are the other downsides?

[finite atlas]

IR dosnt go through walls

wireless signals do

[young sigil]

Terrible idea. No state feedback. I've removed all horrible stateless ir control from my house.

Except for one ancient plasma TV. I need ir to turn it on as it powers down the network card when it is turned off. Other than that it can be controlled and interrogated via Ethernet.

Idiots. They were worried about standby power when it is a 65" power hungry plasma.

[harsh heath]

hmm yes, that is a very real deal-breaker

[clear ferry]

Battling with ZigBee? Shit just works

Never issues

[dusky plank]

Imagine everything you have is infrared. And imagine bandwidth like zigbee on that.
Then go through your home in darkness with your mobile cam. Disco disco

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/lasers-concert-lights-gif-5102526

[dusky plank]

Ah yeah and the neighbors turn your alarm off through the window no problem

[harsh heath]

I understand that it would be more limiting, but wouldn't it be more cost effective?

say I'm going to buy a standing/mobile AC. Even if I pay the big premium to get a "smart" one, there's no guarantee that it would work locally over Wifi forever, no? The ToS might change, Brand may decide to disable LAN control etc.

[dusky plank]

That is why you root things

[harsh heath]

Tell that to my zigbee plug with a 50W Fan plugged to it

[dusky plank]

Unless you do that you never know whats happening on the device

[clear ferry]

Premium with smart? I haven't seen a AC without WiFi in a decade

[clear ferry]

That's just your mesh being horrid, make it better

[harsh heath]

yeah but the chances are very slim, I've never seen a neighbour come to someone's window and turn off their TV

[harsh heath]

no it's sadly not #general-archived message

[dusky plank]

There‘s youtube channels doing exactly that with blasters

[harsh heath]

I wouldn't expect those Youtubers to be in every neighbourhood though

[harsh heath]

also good luck doing that cus I'm an owl sitting in a dark room with blinders closed all day :P

[scenic radish]

I only use IR when there's no other choice for automating something (such as the stand fan in our living room that can only be controlled by IR)

It's really just a "better than nothing" situation, not the ultimate goal

[clear ferry]

I prefer military grade curtains

[iron granite]

Asbestos?

[clear ferry]

No, metal wires sown into the curtains, then grounded

[primal laurel]

LiFi is a thing, wireless communication via light

[iron granite]

The Starlink interconnections, if I didn't get it wrong 🤔

[primal laurel]

I think that uses lasers

Lifi uses mostly led light if I'm not mistaken

[static schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/wongwingchun58-gif-15613675

[primal laurel]

Don't tell the anti 5G people that light is electromagnetic radiation

[steel crag]

don't tell people solar radiation is stronger than anything terrestrial

[clear ferry]

I'm still amazed at all the people walking around talking on their phone like it is a crispbread

[red rock]

wth is a crispbread

[dusky plank]

Schüttelbrot

[steel crag]

Wasa

[clear ferry]

knekkebrød

[steel crag]

how do you not know crisp bread

you uncultured swines

[clear ferry]

americans probably don't either, they love their loafs

and call it bread

[steel crag]

well to be fair mostly the country where I live in influenced by America and I still know what it is

and I'm the dumb islander

[dusky plank]

https://www.kochjournal.at/rezepte/bilder/rezepte/gross/6145.jpg
bread

[clear ferry]

but you've lived in a civilized country

[steel crag]

7 of them

[red rock]

and how do you hold this?

[steel crag]

that's not crisp bread

[static schooner]

"crisp bread" sounds like a cracker

[clever mortar]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crispbread

[clear ferry]

people talking on the phone like this

[steel crag]

yeah that's wasa

[static schooner]

is a flat and dry type of cracker,

see, we already have a name for that

[steel crag]

that's because it's on speakerphone ATX

[static schooner]

don't need another 🙂

[primal laurel]

beschuitje!

[red rock]

no beschuitje

[steel crag]

RobC actually it's closer to unlevened bread

[primal laurel]

yes beschuitje

[clear ferry]

speakerphone in public, talking to it like its a crispbread, then moving it close to their ear to hear the response

[red rock]

no beschuitje

its a cracker

[clear ferry]

they look like people who have never seen a phone before

[steel crag]

they've never seen a bluetooth headset maybe

[static schooner]

In the case of unleavened crispbread, bubbles are introduced into the dough mechanically. Traditionally, this was done by mixing snow or powdered ice into the dough, which then evaporated during baking.

[clear ferry]

I'm pretty sure it is because they saw on tiktok that phones use radiowaves and we all know radiowaves == radiation

[static schooner]

just don't use the yellow snow

[steel crag]

maybe they go look at the 50w cell tower next

[clear ferry]

or general background radiation en masse

[steel crag]

either way I'd just like it to be known that Ryvita > Wasa but I love them both

[clear ferry]

I prefer Leksands

[steel crag]

I've had it, but wouldn't say it's my favorite

all this talk makes me want a smorgastarta

or more correctly, Smörgåstårta

[clear ferry]

I'm still perplexed by the Danish Smørrebrød

Like wtf

[orchid rose]

That image is so small I'm surprised you even found it

[static schooner]

it's a small image of big food

[clear ferry]

they were so heavy they collapsed on themselves

[hearty rock]

haha I worked at a cellphone tech support call center for a while, I had a doctor who was furious the headphone port on his blackberry broke, he flat refused to consider bluetooth because of all that radiation next to his head

now I do IT and recently had a customer complain that the wifi access point can't go on the ceiling because she won't be able to sleep she's allergic to the radiation

but somehow it was perfectly okay to stick it on the floor under her bed.

[red rock]

Was he a radiologist?

[hearty rock]

he was one of those doctors who insisted on being called Doctor So-and-so

(which we told her the coverage wouldn't be as good if we stuck it under the bed... and of course she calls us three days later furious about the poor coverage)

[primal laurel]

I had a professor in IT who owned a company which sold 'low radiation' wifi products...

[hearty rock]

bwahaha that's rich

I was seeing ads for a while for a special "low radiation" box you could put your wifi router in

it was a faraday cage

[primal laurel]

yeah that's one way to do it

or they would programatically reduce the output power

[hearty rock]

haha and these 5G radiation conspiracists

I mean I don't like 5G simply based on how damn many nodes it requires

the radiation afraidiness is hilarious to me though

[primal laurel]

what nodes?

[hearty rock]

the 5G whatever the technical name is for a 5G access point

cos they only broadcast a few blocks / few hundred meters

[primal laurel]

that only applies to the microwave frquency bands

5G can also be used with a regular base station, like in NL

[dusky plank]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/583694271933186069/1025871116939559024/FindOut.mp4

now you know

[hearty rock]

NL?

[primal laurel]

netherlands

[hearty rock]

thanks, too many meanings for that abbreviation floating round my head, wasn't sure which one you meant 😄

[primal laurel]

we use 700 MHz, 3.5GHz and 26GHz, but 3.5 is not available due to conflicts haha

[dusky plank]

we have 700 MHz, 800 MHz, 900 MHz, 1500MHz 1800 MHz, 2100 MHz, 2600 MHz, 3.4GHz in use, 3.6ghz and 26 are auctioned at the moment

[primal laurel]

technically you can use any band, but 700 MHz, 3.5GHz and 26GHz have been designed as 'must have' in the EU

[dusky plank]

I should buy the 28ghz band

[iron granite]

You and that 5G stuff... In Germany we have fax machines

[dusky plank]

and weed

[iron granite]

Not yet (legally)

[static schooner]

do your fax machines operate or VOIP lines? 🙂

they probably need a dial tone :shudder:

[iron granite]

Some do.

When mankind invents warpdrives, we will still have our fax machines - even if we have to adapt them to subspace transmissions

[static schooner]

medical care and real estate agents like their fax machines

although real estate was heavy into docusign when I bought my house 11 years ago

but I think doctors and health insurance companies still really like fax

[primal laurel]

most germans I played videogames with have terrible internet... seems related to your fax problem

[static schooner]

they have to fax their moves

[iron granite]

When we get a fax, it will be forwarded as email - and a printout (because it wouldn't be a real fax without). Just to throw it away, because we have got the info by email.

But getting the same by email.... oh no! How unsecure and unverifiable

[primal laurel]

I can't say I have ever seen a faxmachine in real life

[iron granite]

Pure fax machines are rare indeed. Most are combined systems with printer and scanner now.

My parents had a pure fax machine with thermoreactive paper

[static schooner]

it's hardly a fax machine if you don't load it with a roll of super-shiny paper

it's the modern version of the Dead Sea Scrolls

but it's a takeout menu

[primal laurel]

reminds me of this scene

[iron granite]

Takeout menu via fax polling box?

[static schooner]

there was a whole story line in Seinfeld with Elaine and Kramer about that that will completely confuse kids

[iron granite]

Oh. I have to tinkerer that

[static schooner]

It's happening.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hds8Qr4NnIw

[scenic radish]

Such a good show

[ebon mesa]

What's the best led to get for a hyperion tv setup, ws2815 or ws2812b?

[dusky plank]

cree cxb3590

@hollow glacier has some insight on that, but you want to go #diy-archived or something

[tidal bronze]

It's slowing dying now

[tidal bronze]

I would check the lag on something simple before going all out on Hyperion

[hollow glacier]

REEEE

[tidal bronze]

Ran Hyperion for 30 minutes and now collecting dust. The lag times, although minor drove me nuts.

[hollow glacier]

none of the above use sk6812 144/meter if you want to spend $ and do the best setup otherwise just use ws2812b/60meter

and use hyperHDR fork instead of hyperion

[late gate]

With 100TB ZFS in two pools I think its time to start using ZFS snapshots. Is it any open source (or cheap) backup software that support zfs as well as regular backup. I guess its clever to do both types of backup or is ZFS snapshots secure enough to restore? or its ZFS snapshot a huge base file?

Any experience with network monitoring tools like zabbix, librenms, checkmk or plain grafana stack with loki? The loki thing is more a log gatherer and not a monitoring tool=

[clever mortar]

Zabbix and Nagios work, not used the others

There's also Xymon

[tidal bronze]

Zabbix over Nagios

[late gate]

I heard good things about zabbix, but its quite complex to install from what I know

I installed LibreNMS in a VM just to make it easier, but also thinking should not a software like this be off location so that when something happens you have a record?

[static schooner]

When engineers choose the product names...

those could easily be characters in Star Trek or Babylon 5

[steel crag]

so all of it, considering it's all microwave?

[hollow glacier]

Ur a microwave

[steel crag]

shit I wish

then I wouldn't have to heat my food in a conventional oven

[hollow glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/you-spin-me-right-round-gif-23163544

Gotta cook evenly

[late gate]

actually zabbix got a vm too

[tidal bronze]

That's how it should be done

[late gate]

will run both zabbix and librenms and see which one is best

[tidal bronze]

Don't remember the last time I used the microwave 🤣

[steel crag]

I've used nagios and cacti quite a bit

[steel crag]

well I know the last time my son used mine....

it arc'ed

[late gate]

I have bad memeories by nagios

splunk is free for homelabbers though

[steel crag]

not only did he leave a spoon in the bowl, but managed to somehow get foil in there as well

[late gate]

thats a enterprice one

[tidal bronze]

I can't eat anything from the fridge.

[steel crag]

I don't really like leftovers at all

so I just make things everyday

[late gate]

I really need to get in place monitor and backup or I wll regret it later on

[steel crag]

or eat takeout

[tidal bronze]

Yep no cooked food from the fridge. Never.

[late gate]

I have a 10TB external drive I was thinking to just have some kind of extra snapshot destination locally too

[steel crag]

it's cheaper for me to get takeout than it is a make a meal

[tidal bronze]

I love to cook.

[steel crag]

i love to cook as well

but I do not love to wash dishes, I also do not love to cook food while I'm also cooking myself

[tidal bronze]

I don't have the dish problem 😆

[steel crag]

my little cousin and his girlfriend are coming by to make BBQ

so I am gonna go get paper plates in a moment

[tidal bronze]

Right on

I am doing some black garlic lamb chops. 3 more hours to marinade

[steel crag]

we are doing chicken and pork chops I think

well the pork's for them

lol I don't eat it

[tidal bronze]

I cook it, never eat it. Too freaking bland. Beef or Lamb FTW

Well wild boar any day

[steel crag]

it's actually chops from wild boar

we just call it native pork

😛

my big cousin (lil cuz's mom) runs a boar shoot every year

[tidal bronze]

I am jealous. My local butcher got wild boar and wild boar sausages. But the meat is frozen and it's never the same. Dude got bison, kangaroo burgers and the works.

[steel crag]

funny thing about that

lil cuz is also a butcher

I don't think there's anyone in our family who hasn't been a butcher at some point, we have a family farm store

[tidal bronze]

Jealous

[late gate]

A good buy for 100 bucks?

for a server

[steel crag]

man I grew up on a 117 acre farm with hundreds of hogs, cows, goat, sheep, and about 750,000 chicken

it's kinda cheap yeah

I wouldn't be jealous of farm folk, it's a hard life

[late gate]

hoe assistant off topic is so random its strange. now its cooking and animals, other times its other weird topics

[steel crag]

hoe assistant? o.0

now there's a project

[tidal bronze]

Lmao.

If you need an assistant for that you got issues.

[steel crag]

we talk about food, we weird. he got a hoe assistant like that's so normal.

🤪

[tidal bronze]

I am dying here.

[steel crag]

that's pimp

[tidal bronze]

Yep. 🤣

[steel crag]

aren't we all tho?

[tidal bronze]

Sad truth about life.

[steel crag]

life: because if you said it was fiction, it would be too outlandish.

[tidal bronze]

I think it's time for some double apple hookah

@steel crag don't be like this when chicken come out. 🤣

[late gate]

still adding drives. I should really upgrade to 20TB drives. The Hyperdrive pool I think does not need expanding. its 4x 8TB U.2 drives and its very very fast

[steel crag]

we don't have a costco 😦

but we do have 3 food store chains that do rotisserie chicken

[tidal bronze]

No costco? Wowza

What do you do when you have free time?

[steel crag]

work

[hollow glacier]

do you use a food dehydrator and make your own black garlic? i've heard it's good but never tried it

[ocean oar]

If what wikipedia is saying is correct, it's well outside of what most home dehydrators are doing

Black garlic is made when heads of garlic, or separated cloves, are aged in an environment of controlled humidity (80 to 90%) at temperatures ranging from 60 to 90 °C (140 to 190 °F) for 15 to 90 days (typically 85% humidity at 70 °C for 40 days).

[hollow glacier]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Cooking/comments/nqpojv/finally_done_black_garlic/

guess they use slow cookers instead

[ocean oar]

Slow cooker makes perfect sense

[tidal bronze]

I buy it online. https://www.soultobelly.com/

[hollow glacier]

ah a mom and pop shopify store created during covid

https://giphy.com/gifs/hellofears-one-of-a-kind-michellepoler-hello-fears-99RCNT15dH9NXXIfXX

[tidal bronze]

That stuff is good, combined with porcini mushroom salt 😋

[scenic radish]

On a tangentially-related note, I like this place a lot: https://doyoulovesalt.com/

Especially the coffee salt and double onion + roasted garlic

[steel crag]

I get my salt from the salt pens

or the lake if I'm lazy

but the lake has salt pens just smaller

[winged obsidian]

Careful, you’ll tempt somebody to eat salt from the river pens.

[steel crag]

I don't get the reference

[willow sundial]

the chicken is like those but on steroids and all bout those gains

[steel crag]

I prefer my steroids on the side thank you

[willow sundial]

maybe they wan you to ask what a river pen is.

[steel crag]

I've been on the internet far too long to ask those kinds of questions

[clear ferry]

@last cedar 98NOK so far this month in power 🤣

[last cedar]

Inflation is terrible, how will ypu pay that off?!

[clear ferry]

I'm currently advertising my my body online and the kids are working in the coal mine

We'll survive, somehow

[last cedar]

I am probably about 4x that. I managed to miss the huge peaks, I am still fixed price until Nov 2024

[last cedar]

The usual then

[clear ferry]

[last cedar]

I have actually considered selling feet pictures

How many kWh is that for 98 nok?

[glacial knot]

I thought you had oil, not coal

[last cedar]

I am somewhere around.... 600 to 800 ish? I haven't actually looked this month. Parents went home 11th September, the kettle can finally rest

[last cedar]

Coal is far rarer, and you can send children to mine it

Oil has heavier machines that children can't operate

[clear ferry]

1878

[clear ferry]

I send my kids to Germany, so it's that bad

[last cedar]

Oh my god

[last cedar]

Look at those beauties

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/that-thing-is-so-big-nufo-that-thing-is-massive-that-thing-is-huge-ginormous-gif-25538935

[iron granite]

For all the Raspberry Pi lovers:
https://www.raspberrypi.com/products/raspberry-pi-5/

[dusky plank]

pcie

[umbral cliff]

@clear ferry you can replace your servers with a pi5 now

[clear ferry]

yuck

[umbral cliff]

Missing your vomit reaction

[clear ferry]

I'll wait for a proper risc-v system

[neon hawk]

just watched a couple of reviews of it, i like most of the upgrades but the price is a bit high

[finite atlas]

yuck, imagine paying for electricity

[neon hawk]

the price and the fact that its still using SD cards and not MMC is holding me back atm

[clear ferry]

still rubbish storage, noted

hope the CM5 has a new interface so there is no upgrade path for CM4 users 😄

[neon hawk]

i know i can boot off a USB but it looks ugly 😉

[dusky plank]

MMC is from 1997

I doubt it uses MMC

you mean eMMC

[neon hawk]

also the PCIE connector - they are goign to make a fortune on those cables if they are anything like the camera cables

[dusky plank]

boot them with pxe off your already running nas, storage problem solved

its a lot faster than sd or usb too

[neon hawk]

i dont see a cut out on the case for the PCIE connector

[red rock]

oooooh

it has HEVC decoder

[low harness]

Screw pcie. IT HAS A POWER BUTTON!

[neon hawk]

haha no more jenky DIY buttons!@

[iron granite]

And a RTC (and RTC battery connector)

[neon hawk]

i have a model 1 pi here connected to an 8 relay board, its been running 24-7 for 6 years now and i must say its probably the most reliable thing on the network 😉

[dusky plank]

and it will probably throttle a lot without a whining fan

[forest edge]

came to post the vid on the pi5 but see you guys are already bowing to it.. good to see

[neon hawk]

i have a pi3b - OMG the worst pi ever, so many problems with the power!! I also have a 4GB pi4 which tries to play a 1080p video playlist 24-7 and it fails so much

[forest edge]

user fail

[umbral cliff]

Seems like the Pi5 has POE too

That is actually neat

[forest edge]

the requirement for active cooling is the only bummer

[iron granite]

But it still needs a special POE HAT

[forest edge]

don't think flirc case would be enough

[neon hawk]

the cooling worries me

[red rock]

raspberry fry

[umbral cliff]

Oh really? Then why do they advertise it as ethernet with Poe
Unless that means it's ethernet with Poe that can be enabled with a hat

[neon hawk]

they are selling two types of cooling at launch

[iron granite]

PoE+ HAT
From early 2024, we will be offering a new PoE+ HAT. This supports the new location for the four-pin PoE header, and has an L-shaped form factor which allows it to sit inside the Raspberry Pi 5 case without interfering mechanically or disrupting airflow.
A visibly hand-soldered prototype of the L-shaped Raspberry Pi PoE+ HAT for Raspberry Pi 5Prototype PoE+ HAT. We don’t know yet what the production version will look like, but we do know that it won’t look like this. The new PoE+ HAT integrates a planar transformer into the PCB layout, and utilises an optimised flyback converter architecture to sustain high efficiency across the whole zero to 25W range of output powers.
https://www.raspberrypi.com/app/uploads/2023/09/eb82802e-e57f-4b8e-b967-360ff088ad54-1536x1025.jpg

[umbral cliff]

Ahhh makes sense

[forest edge]

it's gonna be like the pi4. most certianly worth buying at launch but will have to wait for them to work out the kinks before really putting it to work

[iron granite]

A CM5 (if compatible) would be a nice performance boost for the HA Yellow.

And if the thermals allow it 🤔

[young sigil]

The only connector worse than micro HDMI is micro USB.

[clear ferry]

is the pi now the new apple, can't include any features, it's all addons 😄

[forest edge]

micro usb was atleast more common

[iron granite]

Oh, they cancelled the 3.5mm audio jack

[red rock]

all bluetooth now

[clear ferry]

So with tax and price adjustment for norway, might as well buy a N95\N100 intel at that price

and have more uses and same power draw

pi4 vs a N100

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/5157vs2774/Intel-N100-vs-Intel-Atom-x5-Z8350

Probably won't be much better on a pi5 with 99% throttling

[umbral cliff]

But you don't get to boast you're running a Pi

[clear ferry]

the atom is the closest to a pi4

[young sigil]

Yeah but how easy is it to get access to GPIOs on an Intel chip?

[clear ferry]

this is why we have small cute esp boards

or just use a small arduino as a usb adapter

[young sigil]

Good points.

[clear ferry]

I usually have those

I'm a dick, but I'm a mostly correct dick

[red rock]

"I use a pi btw"

[last cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/neil-patrick-harris-shudder-shrug-disgusted-gif-13575156

[clear ferry]

Bet you are running arch linux on that pi

[red rock]

that's the next grade of boasting

[clear ferry]

and the case is all vegan

[red rock]

shees

case made out of pineapple

[clear ferry]

but a pinapple has a shadow

MURDERER

[clear ferry]

Dog Damnit, I was planning to use these drivers to fund my nuclear weapons program, oh well

By downloading this content, I certify that products and services obtained from HPE will not be used in connection with any activities involving chemical, biological, or nuclear weapons, nuclear explosives, or missiles capable of delivering weapons unless proper export authorization has been obtained.

[iron granite]

No biggie. Just ask their support for proper export authorization

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/E1EY.gif

[silent dove]

@clear ferry I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/hEncAGy3uMC.gif

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/reptile-lol-hehehe-gif-5441436

[last cedar]

Good bot ❤️

[clear ferry]

[clear ferry]

For those who want something useful and not a nonsense arm based kids toy

https://www.crowdsupply.com/icewhale-technology/zimablade

This one looks nice

[red rock]

lmao

The name sounds like a kids toy

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/air-zuma-paw-patrol-gif-10981202

And a usable pcie Connector, and no ribboncable nonsense