the-water-cooler

[iron granite]

Are we talking about the same logo? 🤔

[subtle pasture]

Oh, wait, there was already a simplified version of the old logo??
https://www.home-assistant.io/blog/2015/03/08/new-logo/

Just use that, it's way more recognizable than the new baseball home plate thing.

Save the new logo for a "Baseball Assistant" April 1st prank 🤣

[iron granite]

[subtle pasture]

Can you blame me? It's literally a MLB regulation home plate...

The angles and relative sizes all match <_<

[green inlet]

The only thing I hated about the 10th birthday tonight is it was pretty much all devs. Not a single support person. There are so many people on here and the forums that tirelessly support the project…and they basically went unrecognized.

And @subtle pasture , I agree, the logo is just basic

[subtle pasture]

If you search for home icons, you'll find that most include a door, eves, and a chimney. Some exclude one or two of these elements, but none exclude all three

The HA logo excludes the door out of necessity, which drastically increases the value of the remaining elements.

The new logo lacks all three, so it stops reading as a home/house.

[ocean oar]

Just chimney wouldn't be enough, I don't think. Just door, or just eaves both work.

[forest edge]

The green is cool. too bad it couldn't be cheaper. if the rpi availability ever settles down the green would not be a good buy at all

[subtle pasture]

Yeah, I'd add the eves back on

[prisma briar]

Now it just looks like veiny shape

[ocean oar]

For me too, the rounded corner between the walls and roof is a big part of what makes it not read as a house.

[winged obsidian]

Green is going to need Thread pretty quickly, and I don’t think a USB dongle is the right solution for the expected users.

[forest edge]

well it's meant to be the very base model

problem is the rpi has way more features for less, only availability is working for the green atm

[winged obsidian]

The “very base model” thing is quickly going to translate into “the only hub that doesn’t have it out of the box.”

[subtle pasture]

I'd kinda like to see a Home Assistant hub based on the LattePanda V1. Get some x86 up in here.

[winged obsidian]

And I think it’s a user base that does not expect to update appliances often at all.

[forest edge]

get that brick outta here

[subtle pasture]

It outperforms the Pi 4 in most tasks, and it's available at its $105 MSRP...

I use the V1 for a lot of projects I used to use Pis for.

[forest edge]

that price quickly jumps cause it dosen't come with any decent cooling and only has 1 usb 3 port

does it even have wifi?

don't remember

[subtle pasture]

Still been beating the Pi 4 on price every time I go to buy one. Lol

[tidal bronze]

@forest edge still stuck with pi huh?

[subtle pasture]

It has WiFi built in, yeah

[forest edge]

thats the availablity thingn i was talking about tho. the rpi price will come down

[subtle pasture]

Won't make the Pi any faster when it does, though... maybe the Pi 5 will change that

[forest edge]

stuck? best damn hardware i've worked with yet.. realability wise

[subtle pasture]

Both Home Assistant and OctoPrint run startlingly faster on a V1 than they do on a Pi4.

[forest edge]

the green does use emmcbut even the sdcard emmc adapaters have come down in price

[forest edge]

that a joke? neither of those use any resources as is lol

latte dosen't even have a gigabit port

[tidal bronze]

Happy that you are always there to remind us what "30 years ago" looks like. What would we do without that middle earth perspective 🤔

[subtle pasture]

Not joking. The difference with OctoPrint was life changing, and HA was noticable when performing certain tasks.

[steel crag]

Misery loves company quad

[forest edge]

take a look around bub.. old is in demand. like in a big way

[tidal bronze]

I know you like to say that to yourself daily.

[forest edge]

ostrich.. why do i even bother? lol

don't you have a sweat shop in china to run?

lmao

[tidal bronze]

Gladly.

[forest edge]

life changing? wtf

[tidal bronze]

Raspberry Pi and hand churned ice cream, what can I say

[daring jolt]

the "old logo" youre talking about is from >8 years ago

[forest edge]

my octoprint runs just fine on an rpi2

[subtle pasture]

Great, keep it. Lol

[subtle pasture]

OctoPrint would lag so hard that refreshing the web UI would stop the printer cold on a Pi 3...

[forest edge]

you messed something up

[daring jolt]

you seriously want to revert 2 logo changes to the version thats like 10 years old? or did you just mean you don't like the latest logo change?

[forest edge]

i can tell you from experince there is no lag atleast for my printer lol

[subtle pasture]

What? The link I posted had the previous logo and a simplified version of the previous logo

[daring jolt]

said post is from 2015

[subtle pasture]

Correct

[daring jolt]

most people wouldn't recognize the "previous" logo

[subtle pasture]

The simplified version posted there would probably be better than the latest redesign.

[forest edge]

simplified is not a bad thing

[daring jolt]

ye

[subtle pasture]

What? The link from 2015 showed the logo we had until a few days ago...

[forest edge]

I am still partial to the older logo, but it's a logo

[daring jolt]

as in you want to revert only the latest logo change?

[subtle pasture]

Yes, back to the logo I linked. To the 2015 redesign.

[forest edge]

the one on the right is barf lol

the one the discord server uses is not bad

[prisma briar]

Feels like it's giving you the middle finger

[subtle pasture]

The one on the right is simplified version for small icon sizes, to be fair

[forest edge]

i still like the more complex tree tho, more fitting imo

[daring jolt]

anyone know what the deal with the other shapes are? it reads like "miomiomiomio"

[umbral cliff]

In 6 months 90% won't care and people will move on

[forest edge]

filler.. there is no deal

[steel crag]

I already don't care

[prisma briar]

I don't think anyone cares now

[umbral cliff]

The fact there's a discussion here says people care

[prisma briar]

It looks derpy to me but w/e, it's still HA.

[forest edge]

I care it's not more pi shaped

[daring jolt]

(although ha10 could mean other redesigning 🤷
as for me, if i remember im going to make a concept for what ha x material 3 could look like)

[subtle pasture]

Dunno what to tell you. I'd refresh the page in my browser and the printer would stutter until the refresh completed.

Swapped to a Lattepande V1, it tanks through anything

[forest edge]

you messed something up.. it's all there is to say lol

[subtle pasture]

Nothing to mess up. I tried a fresh flash of OctoPi and got the same result with zero plugins

[forest edge]

maybe your pi was damaged

[subtle pasture]

So unless their base image is messed up...

I tried a Pi 3B+ before moving to the V1, same issue

[prisma briar]

I had issues with micro stutters with octoprint on an rpi 3 I could never figure out. I give it a 50/50 it was octoprint or the board on the printer.

The printer was fine printing from an SD though

[subtle pasture]

Tried multiple MicroSD cards, even

[sonic jungle]

I once had an issue where OctoPrint would not send commands to the printer for like 10 seconds at a time randomly… and it was DNS

[subtle pasture]

Hell, even just pushing the webcame framerate past 10 FPS would case prints to stutter

[forest edge]

i've only ran it on an rpi2. never tried an rpi3

[sonic jungle]

Some DNS resolution was blocking and sometimes it took a long time

[forest edge]

well that is the reason

[subtle pasture]

The V1 handles a 1080p 30 FPS camera feed just fine. The Pi 3B couldn't hack 15 FPS without impacting print quality.

[forest edge]

thy vn stat th wbcam on a pi wasn't rcommndd lol

wtf is going on with my kyboard lol

[sonic jungle]

Drunk mode enabled

[umbral cliff]

Nice typing Sonoma

[static schooner]

It's the whisky

[umbral cliff]

Maybe should try a beach holiday in California

[subtle pasture]

They literally have a list of reccomended cameras with minimal overhead, and my Logitech C920 is on that list...

But meh, the problem is solved. The WebUI loads instantly now (as opposed to taking several seconds), the camera feed is fast and snappy, and print quality is perfect.

[glacial knot]

in a month or so 😮

[subtle pasture]

In the case of HomeAssistant, running backups and loading tons of history is much faster on the V1 than it was on a Pi4, even after putting a USB 3.0 to SATA adapter on the Pi 4 and running a SATA SSD on it.

[forest edge]

maybe you should have tried fluidd

with klipper

[prisma briar]

I run HA on a real PC and have never noticed slowdowns. The only things that take any time are backups and updates.

[subtle pasture]

I already run Klipper

[glacial knot]

move your history to a proper DB D:

[subtle pasture]

It's in MariaDB...

[forest edge]

my rpi with HA rarely ever see's 6% cpu usage

and thats with cameras

[prisma briar]

Man I want my new 3D printer already

[forest edge]

then why use octoprint? fluidd looks much nicer

[subtle pasture]

I actually have Octoprint skinned to look like Fluidd/Mainsail. lol

[forest edge]

I think fluidd is less resource intensive as well

[subtle pasture]

I need several features of OctoPrint that don't exist in Fluidd, so I'm stuck

And I threw x86 hardware at the problem, so it's kinda a moot point now.

Fluidd isn't any faster than OctoPrint on this box

[forest edge]

I need to blow the dust off my printer. gotta make a new wedge for the reolink cam

[glacial knot]

I should bench my Pi4 against the Odroid arm box I actually use 🤔

[subtle pasture]

I don't think CPU or networking is the primary bottleneck with HomeAssistant on the Pi, it's disk access. Moving to a SATA SSD in a USB 3.0 sled made a HUGE difference on the Pi 4 vs. running from MicroSD.

[forest edge]

those plugins are why it stuttered with the rpi. the thing only has 1 gig of ram and alot of octoprint plugins are resource heavy

[subtle pasture]

I really want to see a B-model Pi with eMMC

[subtle pasture]

Like I already said, it suttered with no plugins...

[forest edge]

that part i don't get

i run 3 plugins with my rpi2 and no issue at all

[subtle pasture]

Fresh flash of OctoPi would stutter if I had a web browser open to its page and did a hard refresh with a print running.

[forest edge]

I always have the octoprint page up when printing

[steel crag]

im upgrading my host as we speak, from core2quad to i3

[subtle pasture]

Removing the webcam entierly almost resolved the problem, but not quite, and I wanted a webcam to monitor prints...

[tidal bronze]

You run the village tech museum for KC?

[steel crag]

I believe they call it a 'warren'

[subtle pasture]

The LattePanda V1 is also fast enough to run Obico (formerly Spaghetti Detective) onboard

The Pi 3 could never hack that

[forest edge]

which one is you? https://www.businessinsider.com/hilariously-bad-chinese-knock-offs-of-famous-american-and-european-brands-2012-8#adadis-1

[steel crag]

I'd rock that Tuna shirt

then again we have pelagic fish at the coasts eh @tidal bronze

[forest edge]

upgrade to a 4.. come into the future

[subtle pasture]

I got a LattePanda V1 because Pi4's were rare as hen's teeth (still kinda are), and also aren't fast enough to run Obico <_<

Even the V1 is on the edge of what can reasonably run Obico. A faster LattePanda would be better.

Maybe I'll get a Jetson Nano next upgrade 😛

Get some Nvidia GPU acceleration into the mix.

[hearty rock]

I got a pi zero w on a whim and I have no idea what to do with it, I tried getting it to run AI stuff with a Coral USB accelerator but apparently all that stuff requires 64-bit CPU

[forest edge]

lots of things to do with a zero, as a ip cam is prob the most used tho lol

[subtle pasture]

I have a Pi Zero W out in my SunPower solar controller connected to the installer interface, feeding data back to HomeAssistant.

[glacial knot]

the nano is a pain to use because nvidia requires custom kernels

[subtle pasture]

SunPower doesn't let you have access to the API unless you're connected to the installer port. It's kinda whack...

[subtle pasture]

Aaaand we're back to Lattepanda. lol

Doesn't get much more standard/mainline than intel x86 hardware...

[subtle pasture]

What's the software of choice for that these days? It used to be MotionEyeOS, but development is kinda dead, and it's very slow on a Pi Zero W (unless you explicitly put it in Fast Webcam Mode, which disables most MotionEye features).

[forest edge]

I thought you were all about rockchip? why not use one of those many other boards that noone else finds uses for lol

[subtle pasture]

Dude, I could go on a rant for eons about why I dispise Rockchip-based SBCs

[forest edge]

I think the pi os has something built in

motioneye would still work

just wouldn't be rtsp

[subtle pasture]

Fast Webcam Mode is actually RTSP enabled

[forest edge]

on motioneye?

since when

[subtle pasture]

Yup!

Dunno, I flashed the latest dev build to try and get the Pi HQ Camera to work right. Discovered by accident that "Fast" mode enabled an RTSP stream.

[forest edge]

I don't recall them stating that but then it's been eons since i used that on a zero

[subtle pasture]

MotionEyeOS kinda hates the HQ camera for some reason...

The original cameras, V1 and V2, work fine

The HQ camera is recognized, but it has severe trouble adjusting exposure/ISO automatically

[forest edge]

there are branches of motioneye that others have updated. i currently run one that gives support for nvidia hwaccel

[hearty rock]

hrmm the Pi 3B+ has a 64-bit processor

[forest edge]

since roku only seems to like mjpeg

[hearty rock]

and the Pi Zero W totally has enough brainz to run Retropie

I should swap the brainz in my arcade controller

and use the 3B+ for the AI stuffs

[subtle pasture]

I feel like the Pi Zero W 2 is the choice for RetroPi these days

[forest edge]

there are lots of guides/etc for doing just that BUT the zero is limited in pervormance so keep that in mind

[subtle pasture]

Drop-in upgrade for the Pi Zero with nearly Pi-3 performance

[forest edge]

there is even zero handheld game consoles for retropi

[hearty rock]

well even the 3B+ doesn't do N64 very well, I'm happy with "everything pre-N64"

[subtle pasture]

Yo, Amazon even has Zero 2 W's in-stock at a somewhat reasonable($35) price

[forest edge]

I was debating about doing this pi4 module hack for my old sony psp

[hearty rock]

it's a pity though, cos wouldn't this make the cutest little AI machine

was planning on sticking a camera on it and making it do object recognition

although my initial project was just to get it to run MiniGo

[subtle pasture]

If you still want that form-factor, this is 64bit: https://www.amazon.com/Raspberry-Zero-Bluetooth-RPi-2W/dp/B09LH5SBPS

[forest edge]

that 512 mem restriction blows

[subtle pasture]

Unfortunately it only has half the RAM of a full size Pi 3B

[forest edge]

granted i'd still complain with 1gb but 512 just kills it

[subtle pasture]

But it's still worlds faster than an original Pi Zero W

So it makes for a nice drop-in upgrade for existing Pi Zero projects

[forest edge]

some of the vids i seen where they interviewed the people at the pi foundation think by early next year the supply will be back to normal so hopefully prices drop like a rock

[hearty rock]

I'll wait till Adafruit has them in stock again for $15, I'll probably have money to spend on it by then anyway

[forest edge]

found my next router lol https://www.amazon.com/iKOOLCORE-Firewall-Appliance-Celeron-Processor/dp/B0C7CTKL9Z?th=1

actually wait.. no i can't use that

i don't want a 4g dongle lol

[subtle pasture]

My go-to for DIY firewalls is usually Protectli

The price/performance on that iKOOLCORE is surprisingly hard to beat, though

[subtle pasture]

Looking for something with a built-in 4G modem, rather than an external device?

[subtle pasture]

It's the number 10

Home assistant logos and the number 10, because it's the 10th anniversary

Took me a minute too. The 1 is rendered oddly, as if the stem of the character has been extended outwards until it's the same width as its serifs.

[forest edge]

yea like a m2 slot or something i could use

[subtle pasture]

https://protectli.com/product/vp2420/ or https://protectli.com/product/fw4c/ can both be configured with internal 4G LTE

[glacial knot]

almost 500€ for the 5G modem o.0

[young sigil]

The people thanking you at the end were all sorts of supporters. Mods, admins, volunteer devs, staff devs etc...

[real thicket]

is there a petition or thread to change back the logo?😐

looks just more boring then before and the discord icon looks sooo weird

[scenic radish]

Good luck with that lol

The discord logo does look weird though

[finite atlas]

its gotten a bit tiny

but i dont let pixels on my phone screen anger me

[glacial knot]

another reason to do a better job at automation
Not gonna be able to find the app for a couple days 😂

[forest edge]

dear god no, that brand is way over priced

[subtle pasture]

I can vouch for the quality, at least. Lol

Every box I've had from them has been flawless for pfSense/OpnSense

[forest edge]

thats not saying much. my current box is very similiar to those aside from the 2.5g ports and cost less than half that

infact just looking at the layout of the boad on the inside, i wouldn't doubt mine and that was the same manufacture just diffrent housing lol

[subtle pasture]

The 2.5gbps ports are part of the cost. Getting 2.5gbps NICs with good BSD support means expensive Intel NICs need to be used.

Realtek NIC support under BSD is kinda ass

[forest edge]

oh please not over 200 worth lol

mine are intel

just 1g

[glacial knot]

the base price doesn't seem too bad
But multipile hundreds for WWAN is odd

[subtle pasture]

Yeah, and only 1gbps. Now price in 4x equivalent 2.5gbps NICs...

[forest edge]

well lets see

let me look something up hjere

[subtle pasture]

Yeah, not sure what that's about. The external 4G LTE modem is like $199

Internal is cheaper

[glacial knot]

the 5G one for the other box is almost 500

[subtle pasture]

They have a 5G modem now? That's actually news to me

I got one of their external 4G LTE modems off eBay for cheap, so I'm using that with a pay-as-you-go card for Fallback WAN.

[ocean oar]

This one is about USD$400 (converted from local currency), if it's sold where you are:
https://www.milesight-iot.com/5g/dongle/uf31/

[glacial knot]

hm, did I click a different link yesterday 🤔

[ocean oar]

And Ethernet, which IMHO is an advantage over USB modems for most applications

[forest edge]

well these use to be cheaper but still cheaper than that protectli https://www.amazon.com/Fanless-Gigabit-Firewall-Appliance-Computer/dp/B09J4H9ZXY?th=1

[clear ferry]

We have had 5g modems for a few years now

For cabins and similar

[glacial knot]

oh, interesting. They have it on the EU site, but not on the US site
I guess it auto-redirected me yesterday for some reason. But not today

[forest edge]

gotta make you feel all warm inside knowing they are repurposing old intel chips and selling at premium prices lol

[glacial knot]

that also explains why I had prices including tax yesterday and false advertising today o.0

[clear ferry]

This is one of the ones the large ISPs offer

https://www.power.no/data-og-tilbehoer/nettverk-og-rutere/mobilt-bredbaand/zyxel-nr5101-5g-router-telenor/p-1308364/

And this one

https://www.telenor.no/ruter/huawei/zyxel-nr5103-5g-mobilt-bredbandsruter/

[glacial knot]

is that 4299 a price in your toy money?

[clear ferry]

Yes

But the router is included in the setup price when you order it

[subtle pasture]

The CPU in that is 6 years older though

[forest edge]

so what?

they are still very comparable performance wise and both are overkill for the application lol

[clear ferry]

Yet another one the local ISPs have

https://www.telia.no/rutere/zte/mu5001a-5g-router/

And this one

https://www.telia.no/rutere/zte/mc888-pro-router/

[forest edge]

i could have 5g at no additional cost but I don't want to fork for a 5g modem card lol

[subtle pasture]

Some differences may be important to some people

The 8GB memory limit on the older chip kinda sucks

[forest edge]

how so?

these aren't made to house your docker containers

everyone likes better specs.. but overkill is overkill

[subtle pasture]

Like I said, it might be important to some people. Some people run Snort or Suricata on pfSense and easily chew through 8+ GB of RAM

[clear ferry]

No L2 cache

Wtf

Is that a 486?

[forest edge]

yea well those people deserve to pay more.. not all of us do

[clear ferry]

But it has L3

[subtle pasture]

Never said that? Just highlighting the differences so someone doesn't accidentally get the cheap one and discover it's handicapped in an annoying way.

[tidal bronze]

No such thing

[forest edge]

hush mr money bags no one wants your knock off shoes

assembled by poor starving beaten children

[tidal bronze]

90% of your life is done by them.

[forest edge]

isn't that the sad truth

[tidal bronze]

But that's a total lie. 90% is not like that. Most work with parents from very young age. Just hyped up shit as usual.

[forest edge]

if you were intentionally looking for something outside the norm I would hope you be able to do your research prior to buying something that handicaps you lol

[subtle pasture]

Expecting to be able to use more than 8GB of RAM isn't outside the norm. Lol

[forest edge]

for a router?

it kind of is lol

[subtle pasture]

I already said exactly how you could use that much RAM on a router. Just run Snort...

Lots of people do

[clear ferry]

8GB is a lot of memory after all

In 2005

[forest edge]

my current has 8gb and i don't come nowhere near that

[tidal bronze]

You planning to use that tiny Lego box for a router?

[forest edge]

I have one very similiar already lol

it works really well

just 1g ports and not 2.5g

but truth is, nothing aside from this pc i'm on currently in this house has anything greater than 1g ports lol

[forest edge]

how about you get your little lumpas to assemble me a better one and give it to me for xmas? lmao

https://tenor.com/view/charlie-and-the-chocolate-factory-oompa-loompa-dance-augustus-gloop-gif-19718260

[tidal bronze]

I know what I want to do when I grow up.

[forest edge]

visit a dentist?

[tidal bronze]

No need. Gums only works just fine with burgers.

[forest edge]

f that

[clear ferry]

I love that when I see job adverts like that usually the dental and vision is part of that 160k a year

[tidal bronze]

That's not an ad but ok

[clear ferry]

norwegian uses the same word for advertisement and offering, so it'll always be an ad for me

[tidal bronze]

I see. Village stuff hard to decipher for me.

[clear ferry]

yes, we also allow calling police officers or your boss a "horsecock"

[tidal bronze]

Strange but ok.

[clear ferry]

https://www-nrk-no.translate.goog/nordland/dette-far-du-bot-for-a-si-1.8314842?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=no&_x_tr_pto=wapp

[tidal bronze]

Must make entertainment out of something right!?

[clear ferry]

Nah, this is just everyday life

Our entertainment is watching the US

[tidal bronze]

You're welcome

You mean anything on TV is from us. We know.

[clear ferry]

If it is non ficton, yes

[forest edge]

lik watching a sitcom half way through. you rally don't understand whats going on, but find what you do see amusing cause your brain can only assume the parts you missed

[tidal bronze]

Lmao

[forest edge]

razer neds to fix thir shit

[tidal bronze]

Oh damn. Gotta get some shut eye. 4 hours to land. Time flies when you wine and audiobook 😀

[forest edge]

to sweat shop or back from it?

this is your lif now by the way lmao

[tidal bronze]

Not going to China rest of the year. Heading to WV

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/TciG.gif

[forest edge]

wtf is in virginia

[tidal bronze]

I ask myself every time I go there. 🤣

[forest edge]

cheating on the west coast with east huh? you bastards always tend to eventually head east lmao

[tidal bronze]

If I to ever cheat, trust me WV would never be in that mix.

Since you asked https://westvirginia.gov/businesses/aurora-flight-sciences-boeing/

[forest edge]

so you sell boeing chinese parts? is that why they been in the news the past few years?

[tidal bronze]

You nuts? Can't even mention Chinese

[forest edge]

well no shit.. noone would ever step aboard

[tidal bronze]

You should take a few internal flights in China. 😆

[forest edge]

no way i would die there

[tidal bronze]

String tied cardboard boxes in luggage belt is what always fascinates me.

[clear ferry]

I thought Boeing was going bankrupt

[forest edge]

when 90% of your life is your head in a hole.. I doubt it takes much 😛

[forest edge]

just spent like 20 mins trying to figure out why my doorbell cam didn't catch the food delivery person to finally realizing I had rebooted that server the same time the food was delivered. derp

[static schooner]

I very often restart HA, get up from the couch to go somewhere in the house and immediately wonder why lights aren't turning on

[glacial knot]

does it take that long for you to start? o.0

[dusky plank]

find the zha user

[static schooner]

A minute or so. MQTT needs to start for Z2M, Pyscript needs to start for my auto lighting MQTT discovery needs to complete, etc

[forest edge]

yea my ha startup isn't as fast as it use to be either

[static schooner]

And it's the light in the hallway a few steps away on the way to the bathroom 🙂

[dusky plank]

oh, not even zha but you reset mqtt every restart?

[static schooner]

No

Just the things I mentioned

Nothing is reset

[dusky plank]

hm, my lights take about 20 seconds to get triggered again by ha automations. but my z2m and mqtt run on a sbc which does not get rebooted

[static schooner]

Mine run on a separate x86 box, but that's not the limiting factor

Again, it's the HA discovery process to get the entities active that takes some time

[dusky plank]

remembers seeing a huge zigbee mesh screenshot from you

[static schooner]

I have >100 Zigbee devices

Everything is retained, it just takes time. But no more than a minute in total for startup

[forest edge]

thats a lot of batteries

I like the zigbee mains powered devices so far but all the powered end points seem to have thier own quirks which is kind of annoying

like aqara never switching routes on it's own

or the ikea motion sensor going so dormant you think it fell out of the mesh

[clear ferry]

z2m takes less than 15 seconds to respond on restart

and mqtt and z2m have no dependancies on ha, so those update seperatly

the slowest startup is defintivly HA with around a minute

[glacial knot]

the worst is updating/restarting the host with mqtt. Breaks in weird ways until I either restart z2m or every device does Some status change

[clear ferry]

never have issues really, I restart all of them independently

[glacial knot]

yea, I think it's because I don't give mosquitto any persistent storage so any persisted messages (in mqtt) are yeeted on restart

[clear ferry]

yeah that'll bork stuff

until the device updates

[primal laurel]

https://github.com/KillianLucas/open-interpreter

anyone played with this?

[clear ferry]

yikes, hard pass

[primal laurel]

I think it could be really useful

[clear ferry]

I already have man and apropos

[primal laurel]

I too, know how, to make fire

[red rock]

lit

[hot roost]

Anyone ever had much luck flashing a custom ESP-12F board with ESPHome? It's got no USB ability to flash, just 6 unlabelled headers

I took it out of one of thse: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005004679769445.html?spm=a2g0o.order_list.order_list_main.24.21ef1802984GAU

Would love to be able to reuse it for ESP Home stuff rather than the clock firmware it came with

[primal laurel]

you need a serial to USB cable for that, and then figure out which pin does what

[hot roost]

Yep I've got one of those. Just figuring out what each pin does is what im struggling with. Any suggestions how to go about that?

[primal laurel]

it's a very simple 2 layer PCB so you can lookup the pinout of that chip and follow where the traces go

other option is to use a multimeter and test the connections

or even easier, find the pcb design but I doubt they shared it

[hot roost]

Nah they didn't

[hot roost]

Any suggestions what to set my resistence to

[primal laurel]

you need a continuity test, not resistance

[hot roost]

ah yeah course i do. Hmm let me see, not even sure this screwfix one has it

[primal laurel]

resitance is also okay if you ahve no other option

[hot roost]

ah got it

Assumign its the ->|- looking thing

[red rock]

resistance is futile

[primal laurel]

it usuallly makes a beep noise

beeeeeeeeeeep

[hot roost]

nah not this one

https://mastech-group.com/eu/en/MAS830B is this

hmmm half of these are reading the first pinout

[hot roost]

Success

big question, is t he LCD it comes with supported by ESPHome D:

Trying to flash it from ESPHome though appears to put it into a continuous boot cycle until it gives up

[primal laurel]

You have to set the IO0 pin low and then reset it to put it into bootloader mode

Then you can flash it

IO0 pin is probably the one you didn't mark

[scenic radish]

I think you mean IO0, not EN. If EN is pulled low, that will disable the module. IO0 needs to be pulled low at boot to put it in flash mode

[primal laurel]

yes I meant IO0, it's been a while

[hot roost]

I think this is mapped already on the board maybe. When trying to flash it, i can see the voltage go to 1v or so across GPIO 0

the only pin I have on my USB to serial thats not used, is CTS

[honest fox]

test

[scenic radish]

You can temporarily ground IO0 with a bent paperclip or similar if you don't have a second GND on your USB serial adapter

[hot roost]

so bridge GND to IO0?

[scenic radish]

It only needs to be grounded when you apply power. You can remove IO0 from ground a second or two later

[primal laurel]

that's what I said here already: #the-water-cooler message

reset or powercycle has the same result

[scenic radish]

Wasn't arguing that. Just reiterating

[primal laurel]

I was talking to @hot roost

[scenic radish]

Really the point being it doesn't need to be grounded the entire time you flash

[hot roost]

OK, so do i need my RTS pin from USB -> serial, or just ground IO0 whilst powering on

[scenic radish]

nope

[primal laurel]

sigh

please lookup a guide

[scenic radish]

also, IO0 is the fourth pin from the bottom on the right side

[hot roost]

Yeah, going through this: https://circuitjournal.com/esp8266-with-arduino-ide

hmmm, weird. If i boot it with 0 grounded, it doesnt show up in the coms port list

[hot roost]

Hmph, stumped here

[last cedar]

@hot roost love the avatar, not quite as good as mine but still pretty good

[glacial knot]

looks like some NFT thingy

[hot roost]

Figured it out - had TX & RX back to front

flashed ESP Home, but now i cant connect back to it lol

doesnt even show up in coms list now

[red rock]

Where are your sunglasses?

[static schooner]

The dark fur around the eyes. Literally, I think

[last cedar]

Exactly, mine are built in @red rock

All terrain, all weather doormat stealer

[scenic radish]

You'll be happy to know I've ordered black grips and a black saddle

Just need some window tint next and I'll be all set

[static schooner]

Most of my devices are now hardwired Inovelli switches and plugs, so "only" ~25 have batteries (motion/door/window sensors). Startup is closer to ~30s

[red rock]

Where can you find this overview

[clear ferry]

It's in the webui

No need to look for it in the config directory

[silent dove]

Repairs

Open your Home Assistant instance and show your repairs

[clever mortar]

Look there ☝️

[red rock]

Oh thanks

I still have to add a function to store more instances in my home assistant

[dusky plank]

moon is heckin slow

[clever mortar]

Somebody should add some go-faster stripes

[static schooner]

It used to be in the "About" page and I had to hunt for it

[clever mortar]

Probably would help if there was any documentation to explain what it means, given how often people are confused by it

[static schooner]

MQTT discovery does a lot during startup and I had to quiet the logs with homeassistant.components.mqtt.discovery: warning

[clever mortar]

For me the problem is pretty obvious

[dusky plank]

ha, avm is for sale now

[clear ferry]

Not much here it seems, 0.02s

[late gate]

Finally finished rebuilding the motors in the ventilation

greasy job haha

[iron granite]

Investment bank Lincoln is waiting for your offer

[late gate]

Would anyone here suggest to always run a dual ZFS mirror on a router? I switched back to opnsense, and was thinking that since I now have two enterprise SSD that I dont have alternative use for, I could use them for a mirror ZFS. I have experience disk degrade on opnsense before on ZFS and that was a weird experience with things just randomly started to misbehave like port forwards and firewall rules

[last cedar]

I wouldn't always run it, but if you have a pair of disks, there is probably no reason not to

[glacial knot]

I have pods with more resources than your 2001 DC

[clever mortar]

To be fair people probably own phones with more resources than 2001 servers

[prisma briar]

There's a sysadmin behind that 2023 devops engineer holding back a mountain of shit about to collapse on him, too.

Source: I'm sysadmin to a rather questionable dev team.

[static schooner]

The eternal battle 🙂

Developers: Why is the infrastructure always broken? I can't do my job!
Sysadmins: Why are developers always breaking everything? I always have to clean up their mess!

[prisma briar]

The number of times they've filled up a dev server with VMs then esc'd to us because they couldn't get in anymore is way too high

I'll get on and check and it'll have 400 VMs trying to each take 64GB of RAM on it

Last time they reached out to us in the middle of the night on a weekend because it was down and the developer needed to finish his project by Monday.

They lost their privilege to reach out to my team after hours over that.

We also refused to fix his server until Monday, heh.

[late gate]

@clear ferry you talked a while ago about zfs snapshots. I see in unraid I now have a snapshot option on each dataset. Should I run an init snapshot manually, then the next one is just a diff? Or is it a software that does this automatically as a backup routine? Im just unsure if I should backup files or zfs snapshots with diffs

[forest edge]

@tidal bronze just saw the quality control vid for your business.... brutal. https://youtu.be/xBPCLEM-4Us?si=nW3E7XebMOQWoMx2

[tidal bronze]

I reserve my comments, 4 bottles in I should 🤫

[clear ferry]

I don't touch unraid, but I use

https://github.com/zfsonlinux/zfs-auto-snapshot

And

https://github.com/psy0rz/zfs_autobackup

[forest edge]

I really wouldn't call Ooho a bottle regardless what the advertisement states

[forest edge]

https://youtu.be/SIpXkQhq1ps?si=iwI7PxjSxw6yEFI4

can't even rent or get a loaner EV without them trying to kill you

[static schooner]

she probably cursed its range

[green inlet]

Right, so no recognition

[subtle pasture]

Well, that's handy. Never realized you could view startup times from there. Thanks for the tip 👀

[static schooner]

My understanding is that all times are from HA start and not when the integration is started, even though a lot happens in parallel. So the timing isn't entirely 'fair'

[prisma briar]

They should use a gantt chart.

[young sigil]

Most of mine are under 2 seconds. Except for the 3rd party Dahua integration, 82s! Nothing can be done apparently.

[glacial knot]

Sounds about right
The snmp integration is kinda bad

[prisma briar]

Is that in the new version? I haven't updated

[glacial knot]

Home Assistant 2023.9.0

[prisma briar]

Still on 23.6.2

Honestly I'm surprised I've updated that recently.

[umbral cliff]

Why not just update at the end of every month
Smaller breaking changes
And you're not doing a .0/.1 release

[glacial knot]

I still want to setup flux to update within a monthly release while I'm out automatically

[prisma briar]

I've yet to have anything break during an update

My longest between updates was around 6 months

Almost all my stuff is esphome/wiz/zha and I don't think those have had significant breaking changes in a while

Not that I follow it closely

[glacial knot]

I wanted the improvements to roborock recently

And I'm looking forward to keyword detection in the assistant

[last cedar]

Like "raccoon", I have been looking forward to that

[glacial knot]

I'll probably go with "computer" or "house"
But raccoon also sounds like a good idea

[last cedar]

Doormat too

And TRASH

[glacial knot]

doormat! Open the door

[finite atlas]

dis u @last cedar ?

[last cedar]

@finite atlas omg I wish it was

I am going to make an effort to go see the raccoons at an animal park

[finite atlas]

:)

das cute

[last cedar]

I can't promise I won't borrow some

@finite atlas this is actually me

[finite atlas]

awwwwwwwwwww

cuddly!

[last cedar]

Mmm

ROFL

[clear ferry]

What I look like when I hear a customer has "minor stability issues on their Unix platform" and they are managed by an Indian outsourcing company

https://tenor.com/view/garbage-pile-gif-9187221

[dusky plank]

a hp firefly just entered my work laptop collection

i now have 3 work laptops of which i need 0. I use my macbook and citrix

and the company pays electricity for each and every day I own these, do you see the loophole?

[iron granite]

You need to think big. Get more laptops - free electricity money

[umbral cliff]

Ew fuck citrix

[dusky plank]

For real

Fuck citrix

[clear ferry]

I agree

Fuck Citrix, especially xenserver

[steel crag]

o.0

[clear ferry]

O.o

[glacial knot]

o.0

[umbral cliff]

O.o

[iron granite]

o.0

[orchid rose]

UwU

[glacial knot]

wUw

[stable wolf]

UwU

[clear ferry]

[steel crag]

onii chan

[clear ferry]

クラする茶のかわいいです

[thorny nova]

wtf just happened in here

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/seinfeld-kramer-red-door-gif-12958791

[iron granite]

Sorry. We went a bit off-off-topic

[stable wolf]

btw folks, there's a ton of new merch at the HA Merch Store: https://home-assistant-store.creator-spring.com/

[hearty rock]

Don't haul on the ropes, don't climb up the mast, if you see a sailing ship it might be your last. Just get your civvies ready for another run ashore, a sailor ain't a sailor ain't a sailor anymore!

[iron granite]

There once was a ship that put to sea. The name of the ship was the Billy O' Tea. The winds blew up, her bow dipped down. Oh blow, my bully boys, blow.

[hearty rock]

Well, heave her up and away we'll go
Away, Santiana!
Heave her up and away we'll go, along the plains of Mexico!

[young sigil]

Someone should buy Paul Hibbert the pink HA tank top.

[glacial knot]

There's an official merch store :0
I was wondering how to throw some money at it without also putting it into a cloud offering 😕

[static schooner]

you can buy me a coffee mug

[glacial knot]

I can buy myself a vessel for tea

[fallow karma]

Why now the alien's hand is new logo of HA?

Or it's frog's hand?

[glacial knot]

Oh? Pokemon edition?

[stable wolf]

Live long and prosper, my friend 🖖

[iron granite]

[static schooner]

now I think Mars was originally populated by super-intelligent frogs

[hearty rock]

One more pull, boys,
That'll do, boys,
Soon we'll draw alongside.
Hoist her upward,
Swing her inboard,
For the journey's nearly done.

[static schooner]

Sometimes I think 5G is more hype than reality

[last cedar]

@stable wolf any house trained raccoons you can control via home assistant in the store?

[static schooner]

I can usually 'fix' these issues by dropping back to LTE

[stable wolf]

I'm afraid we have not set up our training facilities yet

[late gate]

Im having this 12th gen I7 mini PC that I was thinking to check how well it would handle opnsense. The problem is it wont turn on. anyone know this motherboard and know how to reset the BIOS (first thing I can think of), also anyone know what all the pinouts are for? I know the one next to the NVME label is the power/reset pinout, but the other ones gives room for guessing. Also anyone know how many pci lanes goes through the NVME slots? I wanted to hope pushing a riser card to the M2 slot and hopefully get 4x, so enough for a 10gbit card.

[steel crag]

I Get way better than that on 4G LTE

[dusky plank]

Black and red cable. Disconnect them

Don‘t do the gray and black. It will explode 💣

[late gate]

hehehe

yeah I can try that

its just annoying when its no response at all what is wrong

[dusky plank]

Have the correct psu? Not even blinking? Ded 💀

[late gate]

yes its blinking

I used the PSU that was included

problem is I cant find spec sheet so its hard to know exactly

I tried different ram

with or without drives

the keybaord led turns on after a while, but thats it

[dusky plank]

1 ram stick, give it time.
If it still doesnt do any after 5 minutes try a different slot / stick

Else death confirmed ✅

[late gate]

yeah, I have tried that. Then it was DOA. Hopefully its some warranty, but probably more hazzle than its worth

Its a bit sad as I see the PCI lanes is 4x pr M2. Put it in a rack case, use the two 2.5G ports for misc, and connect a fiberoptic card to the M2 port. A 12th gen I7 should handle 10g with no issues

[dusky plank]

I love NG‘s new video rants about motherboard manufacturers investing in fancy graphics on parts you never see but a 7segment display for debugging is way too much

[late gate]

Right now I hate all PC stuff. I cleaned up in the rack and hit my head and toes 500 times too much. Its not a kids friendly environment with my swearing

[late gate]

Nah battery didnt work. Im giving up for today

btw, I got an offer of a router with a I7-6700T( 4core 8thread) that pulls around 35W. I see that most routers use the Xenon equiliant, but that got 4 more cores and 8 more threads and using 35W too. Anyone think the 6700 can handle opnsense in real 10G through firewall and zend, or should I also look for a low power Xenon. From what I have seen this far, cores is the key when it comes to firewalls

[scenic radish]

I found the problem

[static schooner]

I had Verizon when I first moved here and it was awful (around the beginning of 3G) and was happy to move to AT&T. Maybe I should move back

[scenic radish]

We have Verizon (through Xfinity Mobile) and it's been great

And cheaper since it's through an MVNO

[static schooner]

Early on, you could do voice or data on Verizon's CDMA network and that drove me nuts. Totally irrelevant now

[scenic radish]

Ugh yep

We had Sprint for a short period of time. Dropped that shit because of that lol

We also used to have T-Mobile which struggled to even handle phone calls properly way too frequently

[steel crag]

t-mobile worked great for me in Canada and Florida

[static schooner]

I used Sprint back in the late 90s because I took a class on CDMA and thought it was awesome

[steel crag]

at the time we had a CDMA network that locals couldn't use

it was strictly setup for tourists roaming

so imagine that, tourists roaming had data... and the folks that live there couldn't even get EDGE

lol

then again, it's not a bad business move... a network for the 6 million tourists a year would generate more income than a network for 400,000 people

so I'm not even mad at em

[prisma briar]

I moved from AT&T to Verizon a decade or so ago and haven't regretted it. AT&T gave me a bunch of hassle when I went pay off my phone so I could unlock it to move to a new provider so I've never considered moving back.

I tried T-Mobile for a couple months in there and moved back to Verizon, T-Mobile was really unreliable.

I kept not receiving calls for days on end

[late gate]

I still miss the cool IR file transfer on mobile phones and "laptops" where you had to have them facing each other to transfer at snail pace

[static schooner]

luckily everything is handled by my company, so it looks like I just need to fill out a web form

[prisma briar]

I used to have a cell phone that could share it's data connection with a laptop over IR, that was convenient.

[late gate]

yeah me too. it was so slow

[static schooner]

Verizon is even "Preferred" over AT&T

[prisma briar]

Back when I had that phone/laptop expecting more than a Mb or so over cell in general was unrealistic

I'd get like 100Kb/s over the IR link

I remember using that to get on IRC on long car rides a couple times

[static schooner]

Until you moved your phone and bits started spilling on the floor. What a mess

[steel crag]

lmfao

[static schooner]

in all seriousness, my first experience with syncing a device was a pager in an IR cradle

[late gate]

hehe I brought u guys down memory lane now

[tidal bronze]

Use all 3. Tmobile is number 1 by far for me. Verizon, ok. AT&T meh.

Unlimited roaming, calls and 5G speeds, Tmobile takes the cake.

[late gate]

What would you guys say is the best dashboard size? 15.6 inch or 21.5 inches? I can get some testers, but since I pay shipping I dont want to overdo it. 21 seem a bit too big for a living room? 15 seems like a good compromise as I think the 10 inches is too small

[tidal bronze]

I don't believe in any UI if the house is properly "automated". I think my UI is few years old. Never use it unless to test something. I would be the last person to comment on a dashboard 😂

[steel crag]

RobC did you have one of the pagers that was basically just voice notes played over a speaker?

[static schooner]

That one didn't even have a proper speaker, but it had a full screen and qwerty keyboard

it was the first device that I worked on out of school

[late gate]

I still got the unifi AP and they are wokring well, but unifi decided to push an update that activated DHCP on the wireless only, making it a mess with my opnsense DHCP (same IP-range). It was so weird just wireless devices decided not to work, untill I checked that unifi enabled a rouge DHCP server. thats so fun

[tidal bronze]

Pagers were cool. This thing was super cool. Builtin answering machine was 🤯

[steel crag]

starTAC

[tidal bronze]

Yes sir

[steel crag]

I had an ultra classic II

for the longest time

[late gate]

our first mobile phone you had to have a cigarette lighther or 220v to operate. I remember dad had to stop the car, plug in the phone and do business calls haha

[static schooner]

Holy crap, just got a notification to activate my eSIM on Verizon and I'm off of AT&T just like that.

That was the easiest thing I've ever done

YOLO

[tidal bronze]

Esim? Old news right?

[static schooner]

?

better than a physical SIM

point is, they just remotely provision it

I'm a Verizon Boi now

should have done this 2 years ago

[tidal bronze]

Yes, but it's been there for years.

[static schooner]

yes

my company forced everyone over to eSIM last year

[tidal bronze]

Oh, I use my primary device always on esim and others SIM.

You will be happy with voice on Verizon

[static schooner]

The eSIM part isn't new, the Verizon part is 🙂

[tidal bronze]

Verizon is years behind always

Why on earth do people come up with dinner "meetings"???

[steel crag]

our provider swore they wouldn't be doing eSIM

now they are

and I bought the watch without the eSIM now I'm pissed

[tidal bronze]

I had only 1 issue with eSIM so far. My laptop built in 5G modem was not doing a great job down converting to IPV4 for VPN/ RDP. Tmobile came up with a custom APN to solve that. But was a fiasco at the beginning.

Always on wireguard not working 100% is a big no no for me.

[scenic radish]

https://youtube.com/shorts/a2l9a2hxIes

[solar zealot]

[steel crag]

well it is humid AF here

and hot

[tidal bronze]

What's humidity?

[umbral cliff]

Not a dual Sim device?

[tidal bronze]

No need. Unlimited roaming no matter where I land

[umbral cliff]

Then why bother with multiple Sims

[steel crag]

eSIM is virtual

so he's not 'swapping' them

[umbral cliff]

He said others are just SIMs
Meaning he has multiple devices

Aka why is he swapping either sims or devices, if he only needs one

[steel crag]

shrugs

I don't answer the phone anyway 😛

[clear ferry]

I do, if my wife calls

Then it is something serious

Otherwise no, I don't answer the phone

[forest edge]

🤮 That company is the absolute worst.

[forest edge]

should take a picture of the cradle that held my old Motorola phone in my old truck which is still in my barn lol Thing was some early 90's brick but the cradle I had for it charged the phone and gave it hands free speaker phone ability.

[last cedar]

I would make that my number 1 prio

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/mobbed-raccoons-raccoon-sausages-man-gif-19231249

[forest edge]

think that dude died

and not just from the racoons either

[last cedar]

No, he was just sick, but getting better

He has his own youtube channel, James Blackwell iirc

[last cedar]

This is literally a dream I have

Unless the sausages run out

[forest edge]

One does not recover from racoon sickness

best to just turn into filament to save the children

[last cedar]

Those raccoons are so chonky you can't make them into filament

[forest edge]

sure you can just gotta us a bigger nozzle on the extruder. around quarter inch works quite nicely, strong prints too

[dusky plank]

fuck citrix @umbral cliff

[glacial knot]

Asiatic Agro? o.0

[umbral cliff]

There are no kangaroos in Austria
And no mstone in Australia

||Fuck citrix||

[dusky plank]

same same, every time

[iron granite]

There are kangaroos in Austria. 😆

[glacial knot]

zoos don't count

[finite atlas]

I keep a few in my basement

That does count

[clear ferry]

JA

[glacial knot]

are you in austria?

[scenic radish]

https://tenor.com/view/stupid-dumb-and-dumber-idiot-australia-austria-gif-16975559

[finite atlas]

Austria is just South Germany, so yes.

[dusky plank]

obligatory scene

[tropic dew]

G'day mate

Stopped by Munich station this morning, bloke said I speak English very well when I told him I'm from Australia. Not sure what he was expecting

[clear ferry]

Can hardly call Australian English

It's just gibberish and roos

At least you don't speak simplified English like some other people

[steel crag]

doon mek fun of de way mi a chat

[red rock]

he probably confused you with someone from austria

seems to happen more often these days

[dusky plank]

these pages

[tropic dew]

It's literally called: Australian English

Lol

[red rock]

@tropic dew

[scenic radish]

Wait, I thought Austria was just short for Australia?

|| sarcasm in case that wasn't obvious ||

[finite atlas]

ǝƃuɐɹʇs ɹǝɥʇɐɹ ǝʇᴉɹʍ oslɐ suɐᴉlɐɹʇsn∀

[hearty rock]

yeah and in Australian English, the C-word is just another interjection

nothing to be concerned about

[scenic radish]

ǝ͑ͥ̈ƃ̽̈͑ủ̉̚҉̫̣̪ɐͮ̓͝ɹ͛͌̆ʇ̑̓s ɹǝɥʇɐɹ ǝͦͧ͒ʇ͛̓̑ᴉ͒ͭɹʍ oslͣ̚ɐ̒̍ͩ ̍͌͌s͂͒ͭȗɐᴉlɐɹ҉ʇsn̒̏̚∀ͯ̒̒

[dusky plank]

ah glitch text, the old sms bombs

[scenic radish]

ZALGO

[finite atlas]

@scenic radish i saw what you did there

[scenic radish]

snaccident

[finite atlas]

now feel embarrassed

[scenic radish]

i've never felt more shame in my life

[finite atlas]

xd

[scenic radish]

px

i'll feel better when my black bicycle grips and saddle arrive

[clear ferry]

[static schooner]

every time you say "saddle" I wonder where the bicycle grips go on the horse

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-garrison-it-gif-18316256

How I imagine Teddi gets to work

[scenic radish]

No need, the bedroom shares a wall with my office 😎

[clear ferry]

[scenic radish]

Save a horse, ride a bicycle

[static schooner]

a bicycle is just an iron horse

[dusky plank]

horses can do more than 10 horsepower. explain!

[clear ferry]

Their density explains it all

There are 10 layers of horse

[last cedar]

Horsepower is a measure for the total amount of power a horse can generate in a day, iirc, so spontanioualy they can produce more than 1 horse power

I believe some can do like 17hp for short times

Doormats stolen per hour is a better metric, horses can't pick them up with their hooves, so I would argue raccoons are far superior

[static schooner]

A smart raccoon uses a horse to drag or carry them from house to house

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/tangled-the-series-disney-rapunzels-tangled-adventure-ruddiger-raccoon-gif-16032453

[dusky plank]

its Wiener Schnitzel per World War

[forest edge]

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andrewturnerlasers

Interdimensional cable #lasers #lazer #poweredbypangolin #bass #soundtolight

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[golden wing]

finally bit the bullet and bought some smart switches to not deal with "dumb" switch issues

[clear ferry]

I have one smart Switch to deal with 5 stupid bulbs in a fixture, the other 90 bulbs are smart with dumb switches

[golden wing]

once these switches arrive every single light and every single switch will be smart

could have very easily gotten away with just doing all smart switches and ignoring the lights but i like having control over the color temperature

and doing smart switches instead of normal switches is so that i can run them in detached mode and then fall-back to normal behavior if HA crashes or something

[umbral cliff]

Do you just leave the switches turned on always?
How do you ensure a visitor or someone who's tired/ drunk doesn't turn them off

[dusky plank]

Its dumb bulbs, why leave them on?

[clear ferry]

yes, the switches are always on, all visitors and my kids know the lights are smart and just move around

[dusky plank]

I apparently don‘t get it

[forest edge]

that would drive me nuts. that is my setup for my exterior porch lights but it was like that from the start since they use to be light triggered

[last cedar]

This is the way, sometimes the dumb switches are smarter than the visiters at my house though

[clear ferry]

Since I leave dumb switches in place I only bring bulbs with me when I move

and sensors

[forest edge]

and now ask him just how many times he's moved in the past 10+ years

[glacial knot]

You could replace them by simple covers
Or just tape them in the right way

[clear ferry]

Older norwegian houses don't have in wall switches

so that would mean removing the entire switch from the wall and replacing it with a box

As such

Some people have done this I've seen

[forest edge]

that wouldn't even pass US code

[last cedar]

How do you replace a dumb house guest with a simple cover?

OH, the switches

I actually thought about a 3d printer "slide on cover" to hold the ikea button and aqara temperature sensor

I have the same light switches throughout the house

And I wanted an element of "ha is down but lights need to still work" backup (cycle power to the lights)

[forest edge]

shelly.. best of all worlds.. dumb switches, dumb bulbs, or smart.. works with or without ha

had a temp sensor or contact lead to it and have one device do multiple tasks

be sick if they made their actual light switches have the same gpio for added sensors

[umbral cliff]

I wouldn't even trust myself with that lol

[clear ferry]

Haven't had an issue in five years

[golden wing]

this is exactly how the smart switches i ordered are going to work
https://github.com/sebastianrasor/esphome-configs/blob/master/packages/components/smart-switch.yaml

i need to replace the ha going down power toggle with just turning the power on though

and doing the same ha status monitoring in light components to turn them on in software whenever ha goes down

[fiery sorrel]

After daikin forcing me to create an account to use my AC...
Now it's Philipe Hue Oo
Fuck i'm pissed off all those company selling offline product suddenly enforcing you to have a cloud account ...
I didn't want to have to deal with zigbee2mqtt but no choice now ...
https://twitter.com/tweethue/status/1704535648437256657

Philips Hue (@tweethue)

@mysk_co Hello Mysk, thanks for reaching out. Believe us, this change can only benefit the users, when it comes to security. Soon it will indeed be mandatory to have a Hue account in order to control the lights.

Twitter · Sep 20, 2023, 4:39 PM

[umbral cliff]

But thats the point, flexiblity, don't want to use it don't have to
Its great

(use accounts that is)

[fiery sorrel]

?

you don't want an account you don't have to use the light you mean ?

[umbral cliff]

No as in with zigbee you can use whatever system you want
Don't need to be locked into an account

[clear ferry]

Yuck vendor hubs

Single mesh yaaas

Z2M 4 lyfe

[umbral cliff]

Love Z2M

But also heard ZHA is nicer for beginners

[clear ferry]

Yuck

Decoupling

That is the way

Also afaik z2m will add any device and try best effort in controlling it, whereas zha is the opposite, the device needs explicit support through quirks

https://spotify.link/jEQKS0rIgDb

[fiery sorrel]

can't use that if your hub is in the basement :( you have to go with decoupled, which mean you have to maintains an extra device ...
Something i did not want to do for a house i'm in 2 day a month to check on my parent

[golden wing]

you could always do a DIY thermostat with ESPHome for your A/C

that's what i ended up doing

[umbral cliff]

You can just do a mesh, that is zigbee, it'll spread all the way

[clear ferry]

One powered device per floor would usually be enough, I have three floors and even a mailbox 25m from the house on ZigBee

[fiery sorrel]

daikin AC are minisplit, you can't control them without the app, the api (it work ok on home assistant) or some ir blaster in every room... i found a way but it's the point that fuck me up ... stop enforcing account !

[golden wing]

ah minisplit is rough

i mean i'm sure zoning by default is great

but yeah

lol

[fiery sorrel]

is it that beter than zwave ?

[clear ferry]

You can make an esphome with or, easy to hide

[clear ferry]

1/4 the price, and more devices, so yes

[fiery sorrel]

i mean for range :D
I can't have my garage in talk with my house, even with powered node all around the house, to many hope

[golden wing]

This is what my esphome thermostat currently looks like. I'm replacing the current devboard with an atom lite once it gets here though

[dusky plank]

zwave has better range

[clear ferry]

I have no issues reaching my entire house and 25m around it

[dusky plank]

if you need even more go lora

[clear ferry]

I even stole the neighbours hue Strip

[fiery sorrel]

yea, so a concrete basement + metal rack, poor chance of having that poor usb stick reach the light in the upper flore

[dusky plank]

neither zigbee nor zwave get through 2 floors for me. needed to use lora

[clear ferry]

That's why you use a ethernet coordinator

Place it anywhere

[dusky plank]

can't, my property ends somewhere

[fiery sorrel]

i "don't want to" put another raspi somewhere and go fix it when it fail :(
Not have any chose now thank to philips

[clear ferry]

You don't

You use an ethernet coordinator

[fiery sorrel]

ok, what's that ?

[dusky plank]

embedded device, cannot corrupt, runs on power over ethernet

[clear ferry]

https://tubeszb.com/

[dusky plank]

well I guess they can potentially get corrupted, but the chances of that are very slim

[fiery sorrel]

so ... it's a "manufacture hub" with an open api ?

[clear ferry]

No

It's an usb stick

Over Ethernet

[fiery sorrel]

over IP ? or over ethernet ?

[clear ferry]

Both

[dusky plank]

you can also get that usb stick... with usb

[clear ferry]

They usually are

It exposes the serial port over a ip:port

[dusky plank]

I still have 2 old ikea tradfri which refuse to turn off randomly

need to replace that trash

[fiery sorrel]

tel me you don't have to use socat like when you do it yourself ... because this had terrible recovery when power or network went down

[clear ferry]

No issues with 60+ tradfri here

[dusky plank]

lol

why don't you just read into it? socat is nowhere to be found with these

[fiery sorrel]

i'm browsing the github doc, because "supported by" don't tell me a lot :)

[ocean oar]

@dusky plank What are you doing with LoRa? I've got around 20 devices, first bought because of the range, but then I already had the gateway so just kept adding more

[dusky plank]

it's just a button on my mailbox for parcel delivery, with a status LED if I'm home or not

i really want more though, these boards are fun. just haven't found the usecases yet

[clear ferry]

I played with lora a bit, got 800m with indoor antenna and receiver inside my double glazed signal blocking Audi A8L

[ocean oar]

I've got a load of evironmental sensors, but I'm also connecting things like the garage door opener (detached garage, ~35m from the house and through the neighbour's entire house inbetween)

[dusky plank]

the record is 1.300km

[fiery sorrel]

ok, if you can vouch for this and atxbyea could get one in norway without much issue, i should be able to get one here to ...
I was planing to go with the official ha stick if i really had to but i really didn't want to

[clear ferry]

Yuck skyconnect

Overpriced shit as usual

Just like the yellow and blue

[fiery sorrel]

tbf, i trust them to support there stuff more than a rando on it's shop

mostly because it's their brand to support stuff

[clear ferry]

No need for ha support with z2m

Mqtt all the things

[fiery sorrel]

yea, i saw i needed to get the one supported by z2m and not the other one

[golden wing]

mqtt weirds me out

[clear ferry]

It makes everything great

[golden wing]

maybe that's just because i'm used to the seamless esphome integration

[fiery sorrel]

outside of bridging 2 server together, who fail from time to time, it' work very well

[golden wing]

not that mqtt can't be seamless

[clear ferry]

I use mqtt with esphome too

[golden wing]

why not just use native api?

[clear ferry]

Because I have no use for it

I prefer mqtt

No 1:1 relationship with ha

Can run multiple ha servers

[golden wing]

neat

[fiery sorrel]

when i look at the native api of zwave vs what can be done with zw2m, you realise that you can't have 2 dev team work on the same set of feature

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/bender-futurama-neat-wow-gif-5744318

I bought 4 zwave devices, then switched to zigbee

[fiery sorrel]

fuck, gonna be late !
Thank for the link atxbyea, i will have to look for something similare with zwave 700 or 800 someday to make my life simpler
I'm still pissed about fliping philips tho... still a dick move !, kicking me in the but to leave a trash company is maybe not a bad thing, but it's sill isn't nice

[clear ferry]

Hue is shit quality in my experience too

I've bought 5 bulbs, two have died

I've bought 60+ tradfri, none have died

Probably closer to 80 now

Come think of it

[golden wing]

i much prefer my wifi bulbs to hue

hue was always super slow and unresponsive

[clear ferry]

I avoid WiFi except for esphome

[golden wing]

whereas my wifi bulbs are just instant

i don't have anything that isn't esphome

well except for my locks, which are ble being proxied through esphome

[clear ferry]

I have 100 ZigBee bulbs that all change instantly and every 5 minutes

[dusky plank]

there's always some damn tradfri not turning off, you lie

[clear ferry]

Never had that

[fiery sorrel]

i never bought bulb, i have switch on the wall i like to use (shelly behind them)
But i find their colors accent light to be much higer quality and color accurate than anything else... especialy crapy btf-lighting led

[golden wing]

i have 24 bulbs in esphome because i have a small house lol

[clear ferry]

Light spectrum is better on hue, but price and quality is no for me

[fiery sorrel]

No, i have this with philips to, it's just fricking wireless never stable if you are near a lot of people

[dusky plank]

you also lie

[fiery sorrel]

atxbyea is in the middle of nowhere :P

[golden wing]

it'd be nice if there were some wifi bulbs compatible with esphome that actually had a high CRI and R9 value

[clear ferry]

I have a regular Norwegian house yes

20 meters to any neighbours

[fiery sorrel]

i envie you.
Soon enought i'll be near stavanger myself

[clear ferry]

I'm going there tomorrow

Daytrip

[golden wing]

i live in the typical small american town neighborhood

luckily i have a detached garage between me and my closest neighbor though

so it's not like i've got people right on top of me

bruh

[fiery sorrel]

I'm in a separated house, but the company nearby are space and radar company, so wireless is so puluted

[clear ferry]

Yes @umbral cliff is @midnight adder

[fiery sorrel]

and we lost TV because of 5g, go figure :D

[golden wing]

bro is really playing dumb after saying the most heinous shit

[calm wind]

aaand it's gone

[dusky plank]

killed the vibe

[iron granite]

I missed it

[red rock]

Same

[dusky plank]

@forest edge are you excited?

[last cedar]

That is too small for a raccoon@dusky plank

[forest edge]

?

[dusky plank]

a nest box for your frigate friday 🐦 content

[forest edge]

kind of messing with something with my sdr atm so sorry I don't quite follow

oh wait

I remember now

your unatural obsession with birds

[last cedar]

Raccoon birds

[forest edge]

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/03/91/60/039160f1061e4669d24fa9e8207e67ea.png

[last cedar]

Oh my god I love it

But it needs raccoon hands for feet

Can you sort that?

Can you imagine how useful that would be?

[forest edge]

you love it, but want it diffrent. what a monster

[last cedar]

No, but like, well yeah I guess I am a monster

What would it be called?

Raccird?

Bicoon?

[forest edge]

racturd?

[static schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/ian-malcom-jurassic-park-science-could-should-gif-5197847

[daring jolt]

why the heck is this image in the frontend's git repo

[clear ferry]

Russian hackers

[iron granite]

Aliens

[forest edge]

been beating my head trying to figure out why the energy dashboard keeps showing gas in ft³ when for me it's CCF thinking I had some error or something, turns out that apparently hasn't bn implemented to allow other things yet. derp

[red rock]

lmaooo

[dusky plank]

make frigate detect tractors. then you get frigate fridays with 🚜

[forest edge]

frigate fridays with 🥒 you say

[dusky plank]

$ man molly-guard

molly-guard - guard against accidental shutdowns/reboots

TIL

[young sigil]

molly-guard sounds like something a raver would use to prevent them grinding their teeth.

[red rock]

Lmao yes

[solar zealot]

🔌

[steel crag]

you mean you don't have a prompt asking if you're sure about shutting down?

pfft

[clever mortar]

You're about to shut down the wrong machine you idiot. Are you sure?

[iron granite]

yes / yes

[clever mortar]

Yes / of course you stupid machine / oh fuck...

[steel crag]

yes I'm sure

dammit wrong host

been there, done that, wore the tshirt so much it got faded

[iron granite]

Followed by an IT ticket "The program has shut down the wrong machine. FIX IT!!!!!!"

[steel crag]

nah more like the boss calling and asking "is something up with the servers?"

to which I say "ISP outage most likely, I'll check into it"

"nah boss, everything looks fine, but I did notice the uptime is rather recent"

[static schooner]

the problem is that the command to bypass the confirmation or just to quickly say "yes" gets hardcoded into your fingers

[steel crag]

yup

type yes, then think

then curse

[static schooner]

sudo shutdown -r now or sudo reboot or similar just kinda rolls off the fingers

[steel crag]

sudo? you don't term as root?

lol

I sudo -i till I'm done, I get tired of typing sudo all the time

[clear ferry]

The best yes no prompt ever when deleting 240 disks, on the EVA system forward was acknowledging in every menu, backwards was cancel, however when you do the system wipe they swap it around because it shouldn't be simple, problem is people panic and press back

[red rock]

My head saw the bottom part as 2 rows of beer bottles

[clear ferry]

Hah

[hearty rock]

https://tenor.com/view/bloxy-exploit-roblox-hack-synapse-krnl-gif-21751546

[prisma briar]

Heh, I am virtually always connected to our servers at work as root. I think I have a limited user but it wouldn't be able to do anything I need to do with the way our stuff is set up.

And I'm not even sure if I have one anymore after our user management was overhauled, I never bothered to check.

[red rock]

Sounds secure

[prisma briar]

There's other precautions taken around it that make it reasonably secure, yea.

[static schooner]

username: luser

[clear ferry]

Hehe, connecting to wireguard on the plane gives me free wifi

[prisma briar]

Nah, we still have full accounting and logging of who connects where and runs what.

[clear ferry]

Damn this root guy is connecting again

He and administrator are really mischievous

What weird names they give kids these days

[prisma briar]

Should name your kid 0 in hopes some system treats it as his UID instead of his username.

[clear ferry]

Oh little Bobby drop tables

[clear ferry]

Avis upgraded me to an xpeng

First time trying that one

[last cedar]

We all can see, overwatch is tracking your ever move. Didn't know you at bran flakes for breakfast though

[ocean oar]

There was a piece of cat hair on my laptop screen and I thought that said "brain flakes". Like what kind of sick breakfast are you eating?

[red rock]

They make you smarter

[forest edge]

oh he eats brains raw too, don't misunderstand

[ocean oar]

1060% of your RDI of cholesterol

[umbral cliff]

Sounds like something @tidal bronze would get

[last cedar]

If it was raw then @clear ferry would definately eat that 🤣

[forest edge]

that tuya cordcutter stuff is pretty neat but holy hell the hoops you gotta jump through lol

[dusky plank]

autocorrect strikes again

[dusky plank]

56 bytes from 10.0.45.26: icmp_seq=0 ttl=254 time=-1084818903923465650176,000 ms
56 bytes from 10.0.45.32: icmp_seq=0 ttl=63 time=-1084818903923463946240,000 ms

thats a new one for me

[red rock]

34,376,542,573.676 yr

[glacial knot]

Just a slight underrun

[distant junco]

Canditate for /r/softwaregore

[last cedar]

Finally got my desfire door entry system working (not HA integrated)

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/open-the-door-kick-down-gif-21474058

[red rock]

😠

[last cedar]

Haha, I can live with it

[red rock]

I can't

like

I developed a syndrome of walking into peoples home, who dont use HA

and if I see enough things that can be connected I cant stop myself from telling about how they should switch over

[forest edge]

introvert you say

[last cedar]

Going to have a relay (each) for important functions, alarm area status etc

[last cedar]

There is really nothing on the market apart from Siemens (Vanderbilt) SPC that can do it all, but I don't want to buy a full system, and they are very weak for power output

So I went with a system I can lab with, to learn more about it

Not done desfire before, we only use basic mifare

I would love it to have some sort of api or such, but if it was installed in a high security location it wouldn't be great.

[forest edge]

can't you just leave your doors unlocked? isn't the nearest neighbor like 200 miles away?

[last cedar]

Well yeah, but doormats are very valuable