the-water-cooler

[dusky plank]

immediately after that it refuses to boot

it worked itself to 💀

not even a led blinking anymore

[forest edge]

don't you mean you transferred HA from a proper server to something that broke it?

[dusky plank]

flatliner

jim, he's dead

worked fine for 3 years at least

[clear ferry]

I'll blame hacs

[dusky plank]

i wonder how long my intel cpu will last given that it runs HA now

... and HACS of course

[clear ferry]

Not long I'm afraid

Need to switch to itanium

[dusky plank]

Itanium is a discontinued family of 64-bit Intel microprocessors

[clear ferry]

Hey, I still install four itanium boxes per year

We still got stock

[forest edge]

your rpi died?

I have never had a single one of those things die on me and i still keep the first rpi b in service

[dusky plank]

yes. sudden death

I didn't even touch it, its encased in a cooling aluminum block

I have another dead rpi2 laying around, that one lights up the leds still but constant lights so its also dead

[forest edge]

you prone to spikes in your grid?

[dusky plank]

nope

it wasn't plugged in

I powered it down, unplugged it. Had everything running on my x86

few days later I plug it back in and... nothing

I suspect running these things at 70-80° constantly will eventually kill them

[forest edge]

dunno, i've read posts from others who use them on the road baking inside a vehicle for years without issue

think you just had some bad luck

[dusky plank]

I can try feeding the power via gpio

but yeah, it did its job fine. got it for original price so 🤷‍♂️

[forest edge]

how the hell did you have it running constajntly throttled in a passive cooling case?

hell my rpi3 in a passive cooling case in 100+F degree weather barley hits 60c

[dusky plank]

very heavy use of gpu & cpu will get you that

[forest edge]

and you didn't once stop and think.. wait.. maybe i need a fan?

i mean it throttles around 75c as is

to the higher the temp the more it throttles back to intentionally keep itself from nuking

[dusky plank]

ambient was 24°

as I said, that thing worked hard

another one right beside it, still running fine

[forest edge]

these outside right?

[dusky plank]

and another pi3 which gets up to 90°, just not in this week

the pi4's were inside, the pi3 is outside

[forest edge]

i take it back, you don't have bad luck. you got karma

[dusky plank]

nah

[forest edge]

the pi3 a camera or something? why would it be hitting 90c?

direct sunlight, think you said that before lol

[dusky plank]

yes, pi cam and sunlight

[forest edge]

karma

[dusky plank]

but its laying in stones, so idc if it goes up in flames

[umbral cliff]

Why you texting and driving

[ocean oar]

I guess my server counts as "outside", sorta?
Due to having a house with almost no spaces inside where I could put a rack, I bought an IP54-rated (weather-sealed, but ventilated) rack and put it under the house.
Xeon D-2146NT (8C, 80W), Supermicro 5019D-FN8TP

[forest edge]

shaded is not the same as sun baking tho

if his was shaded I would feel bad for him, but you cn tell he don't care so one of his inside more expensive pi's was sacraficed to the God's

[umbral cliff]

You kiwis are weird across the ditch 😛

[dusky plank]

very nicely wrapped up, appreciated

[ocean oar]

Just playing the hand I was dealt. The cabinet is actually quite nice: https://dynamix.co.nz/rodw12-600fk

[umbral cliff]

Yeah if thats all you have its a sensible thing

Just teasing you

[prisma briar]

I considered putting servers in my crawlspace but decided against it because the access down there kind of sucks.

[forest edge]

i must have uncanny timing when checking my dashboard cause I always see a new release of HA available before the blog is updated to state what was changed

not complaining, just noticing my timing always being that

[red rock]

He lives in a sauna

[forest edge]

why does the zigbee mesh keep changing paths? I am not experienced enough to fully understand zigbee yet but I would see everything working with high lqi numbers one time then all the paths change with low lqi

i don't understand that

[dusky plank]

in general the map/lqi values can be false positives and negatives

[forest edge]

i am seeing lqi numbers as low as 24

and of course the sensor is unvailable

[dusky plank]

well if things go unavailable they're either out of reach or your mesh is doomed

[forest edge]

i have one that is 21 and connected

I just noticed the zigbee channel was 15.. i wonder if it's interference

could have swore it was set to channel 25

[dusky plank]

just change it 😉

[forest edge]

tempted, but looking at this remotely and i doubt all the devices would change on thier own

atleast according to some of the stuff i read

[dusky plank]

hint: don't!

the only zigbee world where this works is hue, with proprietary and secondary channel scanning in the routers

[forest edge]

when you change, do you have to like repair all of them? or would a power cycle work?

[dusky plank]

repair, all of them

[forest edge]

ugh

[ocean oar]

I mean it is basiaclly the national sport of both countries

[clear ferry]

Car drives itself

[red rock]

No the car drives you

[last cedar]

If only you had a domesticated raccoon who could pop down and sort them, with popcorn as payment...

[umbral cliff]

Still doesn't change it being illegal and just bad practice

[steel crag]

Not near me that I can tell

[mystic smelt]

Tinkerer if i promise to be super careful and not to ping you with any replies, could i pick your brain a little more on rclone. I am by no means (as if you havent been able to tell) a linux expert. What folders should i be looking to backup to get as much of a backup as possible?

[clever mortar]

Sure

[late gate]

Just that socket makes me wonder what they dis to this poor thing

[umbral cliff]

Dropped something on it I bet

I'm sure eBay will refund if you say it's broken

[static schooner]

Back-of-the-truck special that the truck backed over

[distant junco]

Will probably be a easy not as described win

[finite atlas]

poke it with a screwdriver perhaps

[late gate]

I bet the seller is the type who go to the junkyard and get el equipment. I seen many of them lurking around, then sell on ebay. He agreed to refund without getting ebay involved so I assume its not his first rodeo

[dusky plank]

🗿

[forest edge]

any of you guys mess with one of these before?

it's a tuya thing but paired right up with zigbee

[dusky plank]

tuya zigbee is 🆗

[forest edge]

yea everything else was junk. least from the few things i had tried

[clear ferry]

https://www.techradar.com/pro/intels-futuristic-528-thread-monster-cpu-may-mark-end-of-an-era-as-chip-giant-looks-beyond-x86

[finite atlas]

528 threads and 8 cores

[ocean oar]

You have to chuckle a bit at

This program is looking to build a graph analytics processor with a novel architecture that can process data at lightning speeds without consuming excessive levels of power
shortly followed by
The thinking is to stitch 16 of the prototype chips together in a single Open Computer Project server in a sled form factor, with up to 10,000 sleds combined to unleash its full potential for the use case it was designed for.
I mean I work in HPC-adjacent industry, so I can confidently say that using the phrase "excessive levels of power" might have a vastly different connotation for the layman reading the article.
"Oh not excessive power. There'll be 16,000 of them, though. No biggie"

[orchid rose]

Is this intel actually innovating or just panicking because they are being left in the dust by the competition?

[scenic radish]

Supermegaultrahyperthreading

[ocean oar]

Thundercougarfalconbird

[clear ferry]

Risc is the superior architecture and itanium is officially dead, time to redesign

[tidal bronze]

Cozy?

[late gate]

Oh ZFS gurus. is it any best practise for this settings? I think I can cli in more settings if something is important to add

[ocean oar]

What are you storing?

[late gate]

depends. its seperated in different datasets. but in general one is for surveilance videoes, one for downloads and media and one for data like nextcloud images etc

[ocean oar]

So things to note (I'm using the underlying properties names here):

• atime is also affected by another setting relatime (behaves much the same as on other Unix filesystems, but relatime is a modifier, not a toggle in and of itself)
• recordsize is a maximum, not a hard allocation size; ie the largest possible block size (but a smaller file can have smaller blocks, in power-of-2 increments down I think 4k)
• compress is a bit finicky, as ZFS has a "short circuit" for compression, whereby if the first X MB of the file doesn't achieve some threshold of compression (10%, I think it might be), it just bails out and doesn't bother compressing it at all.

So for big files (media/downloads), you'll get best space efficiency with largest block size. Anything "interactive" (say a VM filesystem) you want to keep the block size small to reduce write amplification. Atime really doesn't matter for most of these applications, but if you can enable relatime on the CLI it doesn't have much of a performance imact.

Also as well as quota there's another parameter called reservation which is a space guarantee; the dataset consumes that space whether there is data in it or not. If you've got something that could break if the filesystem gets filled to capacity, can avoid that by ensuring it has a guaranteed minimum of space available.

[golden wing]

Okay maybe smart TVs aren't that bad

Especially if I have it on a network without internet access

Like I currently do

[upper apex]

@clear ferry the other we were talking about Unraid… I have some old HDDs I’m replacing with new HDDs.

If I’m installing Unraid and setting up my new HDDs, and have my old ones still plugged in, will I be able to copy the data off of them?

Believe they’re currently NTFS or whatever windows default is

[dusky plank]

7nm lol

[umbral cliff]

For what?

[dusky plank]

For that intel megahypercpu

[halcyon estuary]

arent we at like 3nm now?

[clear ferry]

Never used unraid, believe you can add and remove drives from the pool any time by moving data

Also, remember to have large parity drives

Your parity drive size defines max disk size

So if you have a 10TB parity drive you can't add a 12TB data disk

[dusky plank]

Why u still so expensive wifi 7?

[clear ferry]

Just do 200G slingshot

[dusky plank]

No. I‘m a consumer, respect my wish you corporate devil!

[clear ferry]

Ok, then buy cheap 56G IB stuff and run ethernet over ib

[prisma briar]

Take your hdd and drive it there, maximum bandwidth.

https://what-if.xkcd.com/31/

[ocean oar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pz2kMxCu8I

Working as I do for a company that's still big on tapes, the old adage still holds true

[late gate]

sometimes I hate to do business with chinese factories. the language barrier is so huge, even if I speak chinese decently

its this culture in asia were everything is a yes, even if they have no idea

[orchid rose]

power distance is stronk in asia

[subtle pasture]

Tapes are actually gaining in popularity these days.

If you're already on tape storage for backup and archival purposes, you're on the bleeding edge.

[clear ferry]

Tape is very efficient for space

And long term storage

[late gate]

I opened up the UPS I have that is SO noisy its like a jetplane. As its an online UPS the fans runs on 100%, but to my huge suprise it was just two tiny 12v 80mm fans in it. How can those two create SO much sound I have no idea

[clear ferry]

Mostly health and state stuff that still use tape actively here, the ones that don't have strict rules just use virtual tape or d2d

[late gate]

is it any very quiet, but high volume fans out there that is not noctura?

[clear ferry]

Oil and gas also use tape to transport geo data from boats to land

[late gate]

I mis the old papst fans

[orchid rose]

Papst, now that's a name I haven't heard in a while

modern fans are pretty great compared to what we had 20 years ago and constantly getting better. Also alot more expensive though

[late gate]

papst was great fans for the time! they moved a lot of air

any suggestions for quiet high air movers?

[orchid rose]

I've never had to use those types of fans fortunately so I don't know

[late gate]

It almost a but suprising this was in it. What is that plug called again? It looks for me that its a controllable fan?

the thin one was in the front, the thick one provided air to the whole UPS

and this is a 800USD ups!

[forest edge]

asking what the connector is called or what a pwm fan is?

[orchid rose]

fans can be controlled with just two wires. The third on is likely a RPM meter. PWM fans have four wires

[forest edge]

pwm is 3 as well

got a noctua sitting right next to me with it lol

[orchid rose]

true actually yeah, the connector is four-pin though, right?

[forest edge]

it's 3 pin

[orchid rose]

🤔

[forest edge]

dell case fans love the 3 pin

[orchid rose]

I'm pretty sure all of mine are 4-pin and 4-wires but There might be different designs. You only need two to run and control a fan

[late gate]

yeah, I think the RPM meter is important as the UPS wont run if it doesnt detect RPM

I dont know what its treshhold is tough, or if I have to fake the rpm with an esp

[forest edge]

controlled via voltage on the 3rd pin.

not fun trying to find a replacement for dell bs

[subtle pasture]

PWM fans for PC use are all 4-pin (12v, ground, tachometer, PWM)

3-pin fans only have 12v, ground, and tach.

[clear ferry]

Jst

[subtle pasture]

3-pin fans can still be speed controlled by variable voltage control, and some of them will tolerate having 12v rapidly pulsed via PWM.

[orchid rose]

Shouldn't all fans be fine with pulsating 12V? I'm not sure if this sort of control is used anywhere though. With voltage control you don't often get to less than 50% speeds

[forest edge]

I would say try telling that to dell. BUT, maybe through the tach the dell MB ups the voltage to increase the RPM based on mb temps i dunno

I've read it was some thermal voltage thing

[finite atlas]

likely some form of a JST connector

[subtle pasture]

Nah, a lot of fans will just stop spinning (vibrate in place and make a buzzing sound) if you try to pulse their 12v input at PWM frequencies

You have to have a very, VERY long duty cycle to keep them from freaking out

[orchid rose]

Oh interesting so they just can't get past the next magnet then

[subtle pasture]

I've run into this on 3D printers, which tend to use 2-pin (12v and ground) fans, and pulse 12v to speed control them. Only specific 2-pin fans will handle it gracefully. I'm not sure what makes the difference.

[glacial knot]

I wonder how many can be started up on constant 12V and then kept running via PWM, but not started with PWM

[subtle pasture]

Maybe just having enough internal capacitance to internally average the square wave it's being fed?

[glacial knot]

that sounds dumb. So I bet that's it

though probably inductance of the motor 🤔

[subtle pasture]

I've seen that, but usually those only work with a PWM duty cycle of 80% or more.

Go below 80%, even when it's already spinning, and they lock up and vibrate in place

[orchid rose]

The fan control software I run on my PC has looks for the start and stop values for the PWM fans which is pretty neat. For example my case fans only spin up at 48% PWM but keep spinning until they reach 10%

[late gate]

maybe easiest to just get a regular fan, and reuse the plugs

[hollow glacier]

24v*

[subtle pasture]

Nope, 12v for the fans...

Plenty of 24v printers include a buck converter or separate 12v power supply to run 12v accessories.

12v fans are a lot easier to source in a large variety of configurations than 24v fans.

The only things that run at 24v on my current printer are the heated bed, and the hotend. Everything else is 12v or 5v

[hollow glacier]

what printer?

every ender, knockoff ender, and other printer i've ever seen use 24v

or use buck converters manually to put different fans on them

[subtle pasture]

Mine is a custom build

But regardless, having multiple voltage rails is very common

A lot of printer mainboards now include buck converters so you can run 12v fans off their integrated fan headers, regardless of PSU voltage.

Noctua actually just released the NA-VC1, which is an inline 24v->12v converter, explicitly created to allow using their entire range of 12v fans on 24v equipment.

24v fans are a thing, but a lot of the industry is trying real hard not to require them.

[ocean oar]

My network rack at home is using 24V Noctua fans 🙂
It's because being the horrible person I am, I chose to use an 802.3af to 24V PoE converter to run them from my switch.

Also @subtle pasture per the conversation about tape, work uses one of these: https://spectralogic.com/products/tape-storage/tfinity-exascale/
Suffice to say, we're into tape in a BIG way 😄

[orchid rose]

Why tf is that NA-VC1 28€? Premium grade uhuh

I got excited there for a second

[ocean oar]

That does seem like a lot. USD$25 on amazon.com too, so that's not just a pricing anomaly

I was expecting it'd be more like $9 / €10 kinda price

[orchid rose]

Same. I know it's really small but still you can get a bunch of buck converters for the same price

[subtle pasture]

I think the extra cost comes from the fact that it does both PWM passthrough and voltage-control passthrough, and the fact that it has every electrical certification known to man.

e.g. varying the input voltage also varies the output voltage, for devices that don't use PWM for speed control

A standard buck converter does the opposite, and tries to maintain the designated output voltage over a wide range of input voltages

[hollow glacier]

PoE controlled fans for a rack? so you have them ramp up on temperature of the room or something?

[subtle pasture]

On the up side, it supports up to 9w of load, so it's possible to run several fans off one converter.

[ocean oar]

Yes, but in a much more horrible way than you're probably thinking.
The rack I bought had two 230VAC fans with a simple bi-metal thermostat. Those fans were WAAAY too loud, hence the 24VDC replacement.
I kept the thermostat, but made a circuit that uses a DPDT relay to switch the fans from being wired in parallel to series when the thermostat turns on the relay.
So on low the fans are seeing 12V each, which Noctua say will run the 3000rpm "NF-F12 iPPC-24V-3000" at around 1600rpm. Draws around 4W total.
Relay closes, both fans get the full 24V, draws around 9W.

[orchid rose]

That's pretty neat I guess but why not offer a simpler option without the voltage modulation? PWM is the standard in most applications where Noctua fans are used?

[hollow glacier]

noctua arent designed to work well for 3d printers anyways

when used people have heat creep (unstable temps)

[subtle pasture]

They used the wrong fan. That's not on Noctua. Lol

[hollow glacier]

well they used a fan not designed for it, and it happens to be noctua

[orchid rose]

Yeah fan is a fan. You just need to pick the correct type

[subtle pasture]

And the voltage converter explicitly mentions 3D printers several times in its brochure

[hollow glacier]

how much do you spend a month on drugs?

[subtle pasture]

Noctua also has a 24v native 40mm fan on their roadmap, also explicitly for printers, so there's that.

Use the right fan for the job.

[hollow glacier]

that's been on the roadmap for like 2 years

it's been a while since i read up on it but 5015 part cooling fans are still the way to go

[subtle pasture]

Yeah, the voltage converter kinda solves the problem in and of itself. I'm curious if they'll bother with the 24v fans now.

[ocean oar]

I mean it's a fair question, but none. These kind of nonsense projects are my outlet

Fan half of that circuit just goes like this, btw:

[hollow glacier]

i was thinking about adding some pwm-pst fans from my server's cpu fan pin headers and using those to push hot air out of my little "network closet"

instead i bought a $15 walmart fan and poked a big hole for it to just blow hot air out

it would be nice to automate it and use quieter fans tho

[subtle pasture]

Fun fact: I learned first-hand that it's possible to have the opposite of heat creep... put a 40x28mm fan on my hotend and let 'er rip.

[hollow glacier]

Inlet vent and top one has the fan behind it

[subtle pasture]

Froze the filament solid inside the hotend. Lol

I was playing around with high-temp filament and was ruling out heat creep as an issue.

[hollow glacier]

I did some surgery on this one last week

i have a little 5 printer farm with cheap enders

[subtle pasture]

My project printer

[orchid rose]

That's a fancy one

[hollow glacier]

hasnt that been your project printer for like 2 years

i remember seeing it a long time ago

[subtle pasture]

e'yup

[hollow glacier]

i dont even enjoy 3d printing as a hobby really.. it's like a side-hobby or a hobby for when i'm bored with other hobbies

[subtle pasture]

It's a tool in the toolbox, usually

Occasionally the printer itself becomes a project, but Ideally it's ready to run.

[hollow glacier]

ideally i'd have one dedicated to each specific material

but i mostly just print PLA.. i have one PETG only all metal hot end setup tho

[orchid rose]

3d printer sounds cooler as an idea than it seems to be in reality, but that's probably because my lack of creativity and ability lol

[subtle pasture]

I still want an IDEX printer so I can use PLA supports for PET/Nylon prints

PET and Nylon don't stick to PLA at all, so you can do as much support material as you want

You can also do PETG supports for PLA prints, but it's pretty rare that I want to print PLA...

[red rock]

fancy

[subtle pasture]

New photo. Some things have changed.

New hotend, webcam, and a filament dryer that I need to bolt to the side in place if the open-air spool holder at some point.

[hollow glacier]

most people that go full retard and build vorons etc do it cuz they like tinkering with hardware... not the actual printing.. at least from what i've seen

[subtle pasture]

"Grass Green" PETG is currently loaded because I was printing some Ryobi accessories 👍

[hollow glacier]

it's like a beaver after they hear running water - oh fuck no - gotta build

i got one to make esp cases and stuff and ended up making mostly stuff to give away

[orchid rose]

Is that some kind of insulation/dampening below the bed there Leapo?

[subtle pasture]

It's a sheet of cork to insulate the leveling frame from the heated bed, lol

[hollow glacier]

isnt that flammable?

[subtle pasture]

Cork? Naturally flame retardant

The leveling frame is printed in PETG. I regularly run the bed at 90c or hotter, and the frame is fine.

Cork's flashpoint is above 300c. This bed isn't capable of getting that hot. Lol

[orchid rose]

oh I see that's why you need the insulation

[ocean oar]

Those are some famous last words, right there.
It's not capable of it under normal operation... until the MOSFET driving it fails closed circuit and you find out just how many amps the PSU is capable of dumping into the bed before its thermal overload trips

Lemme see if I can find a good picture of an ex-MOSFET 😄

[subtle pasture]

It also helps the bed heat up faster by trapping heat, so I'd probably have it there either way.

[ocean oar]

Not a 3D printer, but this motor control board let the magic smoke out in a fairly epic manner

[subtle pasture]

No, it's literally not capable of it at 100% duty cycle. About the hottest it can get is 170c if you let it heat up for over an hour.

The resistance of the load goes up with temperature, which makes the whole thing inherently self-limiting.

You'd have to dump more voltage into it to get it hotter.

[ocean oar]

A lot of this however points to why I'm quite happy only owning a resin printer.
Ventilating the place for stinky resin is a piece of cake, and - safety issues or not aside - nothing has to get above about 35°C anyway.

[subtle pasture]

I've seen resin printers melt components before

Those UV sources they use get HOT

And my FDM printers don't come with the risk of blindness if eye protection isn't used near an open vat 😛

[ocean oar]

I've got a Formlabs printer, uses a laser rather than LEDs

[hollow glacier]

Nothing about resin printers is healthy of safe

Fuck everything about resin lol

The amount of precautions needed to not poison yourself is high

[subtle pasture]

It's not just the resin. Cleaning the prints for final curing can also poison you. lol

Being around a giant tub of 99% isopropyl isn't fun

[hollow glacier]

And best case you have a vat of liquid poison you can’t put down a drain and you pump very harmful VOCs into the environment

[subtle pasture]

(I own two resin printers, for reference)

They live in a grow tent with a high-CFM inline duct fan that blows directly through a dryer vent in the wall do the outside.

It's basically a nylon fume hood, at this point

[hollow glacier]

Ya but then you’re just polluting

Not great

[subtle pasture]

The carbon filter helps a bit, at least

Some people claim to be able to vent back into the room when using a carbon filter, but I've never felt safe doing that

[hollow glacier]

That’s 100% not safe

Maybe with industrial hepa filter setup but nothing at a home

Same people spew bs about PLA and PETG being safe to print and completely ignore microplastics as well

I have all mine in a room on their own with no return vent and wear an n95 mask when they’re going. If I don’t, I get a headache within 10min of being in there

[subtle pasture]

ABS is the only thing that has actively given me a headache

And I ltierally never print ABS, because it's a pain in the ass compared to literally everything else

[hollow glacier]

I’ve heard to just go straight to ASA which is even more toxic

But much simpler to print

[subtle pasture]

ASA is also UV resistant, which ABS isn't

[hollow glacier]

Yea

[subtle pasture]

But so it PET and PETG, which is easier to print than ABS and ASA

[hollow glacier]

There’s a guy in octofarm discord who sells yeti cooler accessories printed in PETG and they survive in the Florida sun

Which is strange to me cuz most people say petg can’t handle outside temps like that

[subtle pasture]

Yeah, PETG does just fine outdoors

[hollow glacier]

But he’s found a specific supplier that provides consistent spools

And tests his own stuff for months before sales

[subtle pasture]

PETG doesn't begin to soften until 85c / 185f, so it's pretty damn safe to use outdoors in all climates

Even in Arizona, where people were recently getting 3rd degree burns off pavement and doorknobs due to a heat wave, black asphalt baking in the sun only got up to between 170 and 180 degrees

And you can get even more temperature resistance by printing PET rather than PETG 😛

[hollow glacier]

it's been suggested to me that each manufacturer is different and to get results from third party lab tests from the company selling the PETG etc

[subtle pasture]

This is true. The percentage of glycol in the polymer has a big impact on the print temperature and temperature resistance.

Adding more glycol makes it easier to print on low-end printers with PTFE-lined hotends, which can't get up to the temperatures required to print plain bottle-grade PET

[hollow glacier]

i always cringe at people printing anything off stock creality ptfe tubes but especially PETG and ABS

the non capricorn tubes offgas at something like 215C i think..

nothing like a little aerosolized teflon

[subtle pasture]

I'm honestly not sure why all hotends aren't all-metal, at this point

I'm only using a Capricorn tube for the assurances on inner diameter, it doesn't get anywhere near the melt zone.

[hollow glacier]

idk

even capricorn seems to cook.. i just cleaned one that i ONLY print at 215C and it still had burn marks on the end

[hollow glacier]

melt-zone related shit

issues with retraction on non-bowden setups too

direct drive isnt automatically better for all the things unless it's like a core xy where you dont even notice that weight

[tidal bronze]

Nice setup

[hollow glacier]

i disagree

it's a shit setup but best i could do with the $ i had

each printer is sitting on a table/whatever i found sitting at the curb walking my dog over a few months period lol

i like the hass integration tho

i think the dash could be better but it's decent

i have smart plugs on each printer but kind of dont want to make it super easy to turn off a printer 10 hours in so no toggles on the dash for those

[tidal bronze]

Been there done that.

Although don't print anything anymore. Those days are long gone for me.

[hollow glacier]

i literally only print stuff to give away at this point

[tidal bronze]

That was the tail end of my 3d printing story. Had like 8. Just keeping 1, just in case

Might ebay that as well soon

[hollow glacier]

if i had $ to just play i'd have a bambu labs one but the cloud only made by a chinese company part is kinda.. uhh.. a deal breaker

but it would be nice to be one of the cool kids

[tidal bronze]

I get most of my models done CNC in China if it's worthwhile. Very seldom though. Most are on Amazon or on Etsy

[hollow glacier]

models?

https://www.treatstock.com/

i have all my printers on there if someone wants to print 500 of something or w/e

[tidal bronze]

Doing it in China CNC is cheaper for me since I own the shop 😃

[hollow glacier]

you own a chinese shop?

what do you get the employees for christmas?

[tidal bronze]

Dewalt cordless drills and Jeep memorabilia. That's all they want

[hollow glacier]

i dont get it

[tidal bronze]

They are hell bent on anything Jeep.

[hollow glacier]

strange

'it's a jeep thing'

thought that was only guys from utah

[tidal bronze]

Lol, strange for me too. But they love it.

And Dewalt or Japanese tools.

Japanese torx driver bit goes long way in China 😃

[umbral cliff]

See I just don't care about that part
If the company wants to see what models I'm printing I don't care, I'm only printing stuff from online lol

[hollow glacier]

fuck that logic

"i've got nothing to hide, spank me daddy"

that's the same logic boomers had/have that got us to the shitshow we live in now

also as a FOSS connoisseur it just feels wrong to buy into a closed ecosystem like that

[umbral cliff]

Its also the benefits of how well it just works outweigh anything else to me
I can just click print and it'll print with no issues, no need to troubleshoot, etc

Its great

[hollow glacier]

That’s how I feel about 4/5 of my printers

5th I’ve been lazy but know what it needs

[tidal bronze]

Are you a part of MGM 🤣

[hollow glacier]

The company with the lion 🦁 at the beginning of movies?

dont do drugs kids

[turbid glacier]

this is a crazy guy

[prisma briar]

Heh, I just bought a new 3D printer to replace my ender 3.

Only HA integration I ever did with my printer was a ping sensor to control the lights on it

[hollow glacier]

Replace?

Did you give it a good burial?

[prisma briar]

Nah, I still have it. It's just really slow.

The one I got should print 6x-10x faster and can switch between four filament spools mid print

[hollow glacier]

Ah the china cloud Bambu

[prisma briar]

Pretty much, it seems like they more or less work offline now too. I was going to throw it on a separate vlan with no internet.

It can't possibly be worse than this Ender 3.

[solar zealot]

The ender is pretty rad if you pair it with octoprint

[hollow glacier]

Jneil who makes a lot of octoprint plug-ins got a Bambu working over mqtt

I’m not sure of his current progress on it yet

Iirc no camera

I’ll ask him tomorrow and tag you

[hollow glacier]

I’ve done that times five

[umbral cliff]

Tag me too pls

[prisma briar]

Supposedly their slicer will work without internet with it too, I was going to lock it down to just local lan requests

I have esp3d set up with my ender 3

[hollow glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/its-a-ver-strong-maybe-bohdi-tulsa-king-s1e9-its-very-likely-gif-27419032

[prisma briar]

And still copy prints to an SD card for it

[solar zealot]

5 printer one pi?

[hollow glacier]

No five pi

[solar zealot]

How's failure rate going for you

[hollow glacier]

Over wireless cuz I’m lazy and I gotta walk between beams above second floor in attic

[umbral cliff]

Rich

[prisma briar]

Octoprint didn't add enough to be worthwhile to me when I tried it

[solar zealot]

Of the printer stuff

[hollow glacier]

My only failures are self inflicted

[prisma briar]

My main failures on my ender 3 are due to nozzle clogs anymore

[hollow glacier]

Like slicing failure

[prisma briar]

I have to clean my nozzle every 20 prints or so

[solar zealot]

I got to break the heater twice

[hollow glacier]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08NW2B8GB copper plated nozzle dude

best of both worlds - doesnt fuck with thermal changes like hardened steel, isn't soft like brass

[solar zealot]

It's a bit sad they don't allow you to override the temperature limits

[hollow glacier]

i have that on all 5 printers

[hollow glacier]

?

[prisma briar]

Title says copper, looks like nickel and description says nickel

gg amazon

[solar zealot]

You gotta recompile and flash the system new if you want to make adjustments

So no easy upgrade for a stronger heater

[hollow glacier]

?

says copper for me

[prisma briar]

Oh, it's nickel plated copper

[hollow glacier]

i just call them copper plated idk

i also use these https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08D9CNHVN extruders on each printer but apparently bondtech lgx / lgx lite / knock offs are better

[prisma briar]

I have a BTT SKR mini e3 v3 and a BTT touchscreen on mine but I still have the stock creality hotend

with a 3d printed shroud/bl touch/direct drive extruder

[hollow glacier]

i still dont have any printers with DD

i've been thinking about moving my ender5+ to it tho

[prisma briar]

I had to add a second Z axis for it but that was pretty easy

It'd slip with just one

[hollow glacier]

nah

that isnt necessary

[prisma briar]

gl hf without one

[hollow glacier]

4/5 of my printers have one z lead screw and i have great results lol

[prisma briar]

You just said you don't have direct drive

The direct drive mounts the extruder motor on the gantry, it like 5x's the weight of it.

[hollow glacier]

#the-water-cooler message all my printers are here

[solar zealot]

The additional weight shouldn't really matter, if set up properly you hardly push it down by hand

[prisma briar]

I kept hitting issues with my Z axis moving unevenly and binding before I added the second Z motor.

[solar zealot]

I had to bend the roller mount slightly to get it to be level with the bed but that seems fairly acceptable for a 250 buck device

[hollow glacier]

it's that little copper or w/e mount the z rod is slid into

[prisma briar]

It'd bind and not move up for a few steps and knock prints loose or I'd get really thick layers and short prints

[hollow glacier]

if that is screwed in too tight it will bind the z rod

sometimes the printers just ship with really fucked z rods tho.. maybe you got unlucky

it's prob worth buying a good one to see

[solar zealot]

Also grease™️

[hollow glacier]

if your printer is like super old 4-5+ years old i'd expect it to be worse

creality has come a long way

[prisma briar]

The brass bearings at the top the z rod sticks through? they don't thread into those, those are just supports

[hollow glacier]

tbh that's more noise than it is actual binding

[hollow glacier]

you'd be surprised

i'm too lazy but you can find guides saying tweak them

[prisma briar]

they're literally able to freely move inside those collars.

[solar zealot]

I don't expect z to move thaaaat much during a print compared to everything else 😄

[forest edge]

one step closer to finding out..

[solar zealot]

What would have been nice for those printers would be better cable routing through one of the pillars instead of at a random place in the back

[hollow glacier]

no the issue is if the rod isnt straight then when the little holder at the top is screwed down it makes z bind and it fucks up all the things

[subtle pasture]

I mean, sure, a PTFE-lined hotend might work slightly better for PLA, TPU, and high-glycol PETG, but anything else is going to need higher temps than PTFE can handle.

[hollow glacier]

so the workaround is usually just to leave the screws super loose

[solar zealot]

It's just a ball bearing at the top

[subtle pasture]

I usually print my preferred PETG at like 270c

So even that's a no-go on PTFE-lined

[hollow glacier]

on ender 3? it's a cheap piece of metal there are no bearings

[hollow glacier]

250 here iirc

inland PETG+

[prisma briar]

I've replaced almost all the cables on mine. Had a wire in my extruder cable break at the connector, replaced my Z axis cable when I did the dual Z, removed my z limiter in favor of a touch probe, replaced the lcd cable, replaced the power cables from the psu, replaced the X motor cable because a wire got ripped out of it I've replaced all the fans. So my Y motor and X,Y limiter switches are the only original cables on my printer.

[subtle pasture]

Mine's all Overture PETG, which seems to be light on glycol.

Inland and Hatchbox would burn at the temperatures I print this at. lol

[prisma briar]

The Z rod would have to be so crazily bent for that to be a concern

[solar zealot]

No idea how this showed up then but maybe it was part of the bundle I got...

[prisma briar]

Like, idk how you'd do that even

[hollow glacier]

this is my lil fleet

[prisma briar]

Mine has bearings like that, too.

[hollow glacier]

thought we were talking about what they shipped with man

[prisma briar]

We get it, you have many printers.

[hollow glacier]

do you get it?

[solar zealot]

I mean it did effectively ship with the initial box order of the printer

[prisma briar]

My Ender 3 is one of the original Ender 3's, from around late 2018 or early 2019.

[solar zealot]

Wait am I allowed to say yuck

No glass bed :^)

[prisma briar]

I got one later on

[solar zealot]

I love it since I figured out you gotta actually preheat it for a while

[hollow glacier]

i'm still not sure what i like more

my glass carborendum beds work great

but i have one using smooth pei and another using textured pei and i like both of those too

[prisma briar]

I wouldn't mind having a non-glass bed for PETG, taping it off is a little annoying

[hollow glacier]

i use the stock ender 3 buildtak for petg

or pla

surprisingly doesnt tear off

[prisma briar]

I rammed the hotend into my stock bed like the first weekend I had it and ruined it

Left like a 4" gouge and it never sat flat again

[solar zealot]

🥲

[prisma briar]

I'm pretty excited to be able to try support filaments with the new printer I have coming in

[solar zealot]

Do you guys use glue on the beds?

[hollow glacier]

problem is most people (due to creality and other brands giving shitty advice) dont understand bed tramming vs bed leveling

and fuck up their beds right after buying

[prisma briar]

Yea, I glue by default anymore. I hate wasting time leveling.

[hollow glacier]

i've never used or needed glue

[prisma briar]

I also got a leveling probe because seriously fuck that noise.

[solar zealot]

I see that on yt quite often but for me stuff just sticks

[hollow glacier]

abl arent really needed either

first you tram the bed like by using a feeler gauge (like they use for spark plugs on a car)

cuz the paper method idents

[prisma briar]

Is your goal here to try to tell me that everything I'm doing is wrong?

[hollow glacier]

once you do that, you do a "manual mesh level" which isnt shipped with stock creality firmware

it's literally a bl-touch you do yourself

[prisma briar]

Yea, I know how to level a bed.

[hollow glacier]

then you save the mesh, then you use the start gcode in your slicer to recall the mesh

you're getting oddly offended dude

i'm talking to the class

[solar zealot]

Oh the bl touch firmware where it doesn't retract the probe pin and breaks it off on the edge of the bed when doing the pre print lines

[prisma briar]

You're continually going off on how things should be done because you don't like how I'm doing it. Nobody asked you.

[hollow glacier]

that's an issue with offsets

which also sucks

[solar zealot]

He is just explaining how he does it

Id like to know

[hollow glacier]

marlin is really frustrating honestly

it's like the devs expect you to crawl through their docs, which although pretty thorough, are really dry and just too much

basically the "right" or best way to use marlin is to edit c header files and uncomment things you want or need

and as a new person how the hell are you supposed to know what you need

it's weird

[prisma briar]

go with the defaults then?

[hollow glacier]

i try to use pre-compiled firmware

[prisma briar]

Though creality's defaults were pretty stupid for my printer

[hollow glacier]

i was using insanity automation's

but he had some drama with the owner of marlin repo

[prisma briar]

They disabled things like thermal runaway protection on my printer for some reason

[hollow glacier]

so now i think i might switch to that "professional firmware" by mrscos or something? it's basically just a guy who named his fork professional firmware and has some pretty sane-defaults

[hollow glacier]

ya that is often considered super bad - i try to always get people off stock creality fw

[prisma briar]

All of the features in Marlin are too large to fit on most controllers if they're all enabled and controllers may not have much eeprom for toggling and configuring every single variable, so recompiling for new features/configurations is pretty much required.

[hollow glacier]

also creality ships FW and lies about the actual version so you think you have a newer version of marlin than you actually do

[hollow glacier]

i get it, it's just very not user friendly especially for newcomers

https://github.com/InsanityAutomation/Marlin/tree/CrealityDwin_2.0 this is what i'm currently using on all 5

[forest edge]

just use something like octoprint

[prisma briar]

octoprint isn't a firmware

[hollow glacier]

we're talking about what is flashed to the MCU of the printer

[prisma briar]

octoprint would be a PC program controlling marlin on the printer

[forest edge]

i haven't been following along so.. just saw some comment about limitations using marlin

[solar zealot]

They probably would fix it if people actually cared

But for around 300 bucks, ya just expect it to be a bit yoinky from time to time

[prisma briar]

I've hit thermal runaway on my Ender 3 a few times. I replaced the cooling fan with a blower fan from a projector and it can easily overwhelm the extruder and cause a runaway.

I generally run it at 25% during prints

[forest edge]

wtf

now i'm curious what this convo is about

[hollow glacier]

You need it on the firmware but that is nice on octoprint with plug-ins that auto turn it off too

Like better heater timeout iirc

[prisma briar]

thermal runaway = the printer is dumping more and more power into the hotend but the hotend isn't getting hot enough so to get to temp it'd have to overload the power circuit on the mobo

[forest edge]

that issue has been fixed eons ago

[hollow glacier]

Well it might be getting hot enough.. but the thermistor isn’t accurately reporting temps

[forest edge]

must be an old ender 3

[prisma briar]

I have one of the original Ender 3's.

[forest edge]

ah

time for an update

[solar zealot]

That also trips when the heater or sensor is generally faulty

[hollow glacier]

Well you said you have a new board

[solar zealot]

Which is a bit weird as it runs out of spec but doesn't reach any temp

[prisma briar]

I had the counterfeit power connectors, tinned power wires and all

[midnight adder]

@hollow glacier helllo

[prisma briar]

I have a new board now but I used the stock E3 board for a couple years

I did reflash the firmware on it though

[forest edge]

originals were shit and not just cause of the infancy of marlin

[prisma briar]

It's USB->UART interface was configured at too low of a baud rate to actually accept a 3D print over USB

[forest edge]

anything under 4.X has the net littered with horror stories

[hollow glacier]

My two were $99 specials

Can’t beat that

[solar zealot]

Yea at that point even the alu profiles are worth the cost

[hollow glacier]

And they came with a coupon for $5 off filament

[forest edge]

mine was 99 too lol

[prisma briar]

So Octoprint was basically entirely useless on my Ender 3 until I got the SKR board, and now I don't really care, I'm fine using the touchscreen.

[forest edge]

but i did replace the board with a 30 buck one

[prisma briar]

The original ender 3 was really loud too.

[hollow glacier]

They ship with silent steppers now

[solar zealot]

The fans do still be loud

[prisma briar]

The decrease in noise was my main motivator to get an skr mini e3 v3

[hollow glacier]

They always will

[forest edge]

octoprint is just nice for sending/starting new g code

[solar zealot]

Why exactly can't we turn them off completely

[prisma briar]

the fan noise isn't high pitched and piercing like the stock motor config was

[forest edge]

beats sdcard xsfer any day

course now i think most have a network ability

[prisma briar]

I put an esp8266 on my ender 3 with esp3d on it. I still use sd cards to copy files to it because the 8266 takes like 10 minutes per megabyte to copy though.

[hollow glacier]

well for ender 3/3pro/3v2 the heatblock fan is wired on 100% of the time. if the printer is on, the fan cooling the heatblock is on

kind of a safety feature

[distant junco]

Afaik it's because the heat would creep up the throat to places where it shouldn't be and to cool the filament (sometimes skipped for first x layers), of course.

[solar zealot]

I see

That only means you gotta out print it

[prisma briar]

Your extruder fan should be on whenever the extruder is above a certain temperature

[hollow glacier]

there's a part cooling fan (or fans, but not on stock enders) and the fan that regulates the temp of the actual hotend

[prisma briar]

Yea, my e3 had a fan that blew directly on the hotend and one that blew down over the nozzle to cool the print as it extruded

Both fans died quickly

[forest edge]

they all have that

[hollow glacier]

i've only had one die so far

one has a shit bearing i think tho

[prisma briar]

I had to replace all the fans on my E3. None of them were spinning right.

Like 50rpm instead of 2000 rpm

[forest edge]

i need to blow the dust off mine cause i got a new doorbell to make a wedge for

[solar zealot]

I hope at some point I will be able to afford one of those X1 carbon ones

Or the new model they have comming

They seem nice with that enclosure and optional multi color stuff

[prisma briar]

I went with the P1S and the AMS filament switcher

The X1 Carbon didn't have enough over the P1S to sell me on it

[forest edge]

those multi color spool things like the bamboo can be a real pain from the stuff i've seen and read

[hollow glacier]

apparently you print enclosures for the p1p and it works great

idk about the p1s

[prisma briar]

p1s is p1p with an enclosure and some air filters basically

[solar zealot]

I effectively would just use it to not run out of printing material when the spool ends

[prisma briar]

https://us.store.bambulab.com/products/p1p-to-p1s-upgrade-kit

[solar zealot]

Usually the last couple dozen turns are waste

[prisma briar]

I want the multi-spool support so I can use support materials that are easier to remove

pva or the brittle pla meant to be used as support structures

I suspect I'm not going to find the waste worth it on most prints though and will only do that for more decorative prints

From what I was seeing it's pretty easy for filament switching to purge more filament when switching than the actual print takes in material

[forest edge]

sounds like an opening to more wasted filament

lots of yt videos showcaseing failed prints due to color swapping

[prisma briar]

A little bit of wasted filament doesn't bother me but >50% going to waste is excessive

Oh, I'm talking about the waste on a successful print

I also won't be able to print TPU through it like I can on my Ender 3

[dusky plank]

why are youtube live streams not available in 480p ?

eh, its just this particular stream I watch rn

weird

[forest edge]

if it's older your lucky it wasn't locked at 240

[prisma briar]

Or just corrupt

[agile jewel]

Guys I'm confused. Which docker components do I need to run docker compose? Docker CLI + docker compose or is docker compose itself enough?

Because now there's a new thing called "docker desktop" and whatnot and it gets really confusing. So if I only want to have a compose file to spin up docker containers, is installing "docker compose" enough?

[solar zealot]

No

That's a plugin for docker mostly

Desktop may be very different depending on the os

docker-ce docker-ce-cli containerd.io docker-buildx-plugin docker-compose-plugin is what their documentation says
Id expect the buildx to be optional here

[agile jewel]

So for running home assistant for instance, I'd need to install docker core + docker compose

Correct?

If all I do is run prebuilt images downloaded from a dockerhub

[agile jewel]

K. Will install these. Thanks

[solar zealot]

Well you should just follow their installation guide

https://docs.docker.com/engine/install/debian/

[dusky plank]

https://get.docker.com/
is all you need

[agile jewel]

I intend to run it in a commercial environment

And as far as I know

Docker-desktop is paid in commercial

But its components by themselves in community edition are not

[dusky plank]

they are

[agile jewel]

This is what I emailed my colleague

[agile jewel]

Paid?

[solar zealot]

Podman does work quite well as alternative nowadays

[dusky plank]

if you don't want to pay use alternatives

[agile jewel]

Hmm

it's not about me not wanting to pay. The company doesn't want to pay

That's why we're moving from TFS to git

[solar zealot]

It's not really that expensive for the most part compared to what every other license you likely use costs

But then why pay if you can have similar for free

[agile jewel]

https://github.com/moby/moby/blob/master/LICENSE

License for docker engine

Looks free to me

[agile jewel]

So if I check licenses of all the components listed above and all are free for commercial use, is there any reason why using them together wouldn't be free?

[clever mortar]

Docker Desktop isn't something you'll run on a server

[solar zealot]

Did the mqtt id/naming change get reverted? The message disappeared somewhere within the last updates

[last cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/think-smart-gif-22411928

You never run into issues if you never update

@clear ferry new car came today 🤣

The ride is so much better than the old Skoda

[clear ferry]

Only 49 month wait, not bad not bad

[red rock]

did u update Z2M?

[solar zealot]

Maybe I really don't remember. Always install all updates

Not sure if the naming stuff now won't matter again or if just the notification us missing

[static schooner]

Speaking of 3D printing...
https://apple.news/AnXQxMSHfQTqohuhLi4GRSQ

[solar zealot]

They should have made chicken nuggets or fish sticks first
For the picky eaters

[static schooner]

3D printed chicken nuggets are just pink blobs

[tidal bronze]

Will all coons fit in there?

[steel crag]

aren't chicken nuggets already pretty much 3d printed lol

[static schooner]

Extruded, I think. And the ones from McDonald's come in four shapes!

[steel crag]

I know, and the boot is my favorite

[static schooner]

A little rubbery. I like the crunchniess of the bone

[steel crag]

im a weirdo tho, I like honey mustard dipping sauce

[static schooner]

I decided that I was really hungry some time back in college and got the 20 piece nugget meal. Some were...less than cooked through...and I don't think I've eaten their nuggets since

[solar zealot]

Luckily there is no chicken in it so it's not deadly

[steel crag]

my goto at mcd's is a chicken mac meal with a 20pc nugget box on the side

[static schooner]

the food version of a Canadian tux

[iron granite]

Sounds awesome.

[late gate]

Any experts on vent systems here? I found the fan on the top left side is broken. I think they charge like 1000usd for one original. dunno if it exist copies

[clear ferry]

What is power in Sweden like now @last cedar ? So far 1000kwh this month and 74NOK

That looks like the same system my father has @late gate

[late gate]

its a villavent, quite common

[clear ferry]

Yeah

He has a bigger model I think, from the 90s

[late gate]

but I have struggled with so warm air here, but no wonder when its a pressure based house and the fan doesnt work

this is from 2007, but its beaten up

idk if I can even find parts without using a ton of money. I just wish it was the model over as that got modbus

[clear ferry]

https://ventdel.no/produkt/reservedeler/systemair-villavent-1/balansert-ventilasjon/loft-modell/roterende-varmeveksler-1/vr-serien-1/vr-700-dc/vifte-komplett-tilluftavtrekksvifte-d3g146-ah77-12#

Similar to this one I guess

https://twitter.com/thurrott/status/1702446581922893862?t=9t1EtBbS__IiYbmqe4GLBg&s=19

Paul Thurrott (@thurrott)

I got this on Mastodon but worth repeating...

Fun fact about Microsoft Windows: if you type Ctrl-Shift-Alt-Win-L, LinkedIn will open in your default browser. This is an OS hotkey that cannot be turned off.

I know this reads like a joke but it isn't.

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[late gate]

7400 for a fan! wow

I can almost just buy a heatpump if I add a bit more

[steel crag]

that's like what, USD$400

[clear ferry]

Usd 750

Roughly 10 these days

[steel crag]

when I checked this morning it wasn't

7,400.00 Norwegian Kroner =

687.30017 US Dollars

that's more like it

[clear ferry]

696 USD to be precise

[steel crag]

1 NOK = 0.0928784 USD

[late gate]

I think I am in luck. This one is the same model number as the old fan. It seems like I can just change the fan, and keep the housing: https://ventdel.no/produkt/reservedeler/systemair-villavent-1/balansert-ventilasjon/vegg-modell/roterende-varmeveksler/vr-serien/vr-300-tk-b/reserve-vifte-r2e-140-af48-18

1700NOK

[clear ferry]

Bearings and fan yes

If the motor is still working

I took mine like that out and washed it in the shower 4 years ago

Still perfect, as good as new

[late gate]

that one should include the motor

maybe wrong photo as here it say its the full motor: https://boligventilasjon.no/products/systemair-vifte-r2e140-ai28-06

same model numbers though

[prisma briar]

@midnight adder I have no idea why you're sending me random unsolicited DMs but stop it.

[late gate]

What are the alternatives that is not pfsense or opnsense? I tried them both and im a bit meh. In reality the read difference between them are attitude of the devs, and opnsense is a tad better UI on. I think the only two things pfsense got is the adblocker and TAC lite is free and super fast response rate

but I feel when you run things throught he firewall its really power hungry

and dont say unifi. I like their products, but their firewall is horrible

The Neatgear router I bought I will not use at least. maybe as a fallback, but thats it

[forest edge]

@tidal bronze saw a fancy private helicopter fly over earlier. is that what you meant by visiting KC? lol

[late gate]

I have 2 10G cards, and I cant decide which one to use. Any opinions?  Intel 10GbE X520-DA2 DUAL SFP+ 
Vs
Mellanox 10Gb ethernet SFP+  ConnectX-3 Pro

[ocean oar]

Mellanox uses slightly less power, and doesn't vendor-lock optical SFPs.
Intel probably is supported out of the box in slightly more OSes/configurations.

If you're using DACs, makes very little difference

[late gate]

hmm so which one would you use if you had both?

[ocean oar]

I'd probably take the Mellanox, but for 10Gb there's basically nothing in it

Perversely, that older X520 is probably slightly better than the later X710 SFP+ NICs. The gap massively widens for 25Gb though; the XXV710 is an absolute shocker, which most people have rightly purged from their memory. You definitely want the Mellanox ConnectX-4 Lx, in that case.

@late gate I have to say I'm pretty tempted to talk to our Palo Alto account manager about their "LAB" SKU VMs ("not for production use", they're a-ok with home use of those).
A sensible home configuration ("Threat Prevention" AV/Malware, URL filtering, DNS filtering, GlobalProtect VPN) per their "credit" licensing (https://www.paloaltonetworks.com/resources/tools/ngfw-credits-estimator) says 14.49 credits, or about $280/year at list price. If you've got an account team and reseller who like you, should be able to shave some off that (I'll definitely have to talk to them to find out how much).
Says you should get ~1.8Gbps on a dual-core VM, which ain't bad.
Real enterprise firewall, and if you're comparing - as you'd be compelled to - to the likes of the UDM-SE ($500), definitely expensive, but I feel like not atrocious value for money for what you're getting by comparison.

[tidal bronze]

Nah lol

[finite atlas]

openwrt

[clear ferry]

You say that, but inserting an active procurve dac in an intel card made it disappear from esxi until reboot

[ocean oar]

Yeah, pretty sure both active DACs and AOCs count as optical, for these purposes.

I will amend my statement to passive DACs, but I've deployed thousands of the things and never used an active one, so I assume this is something most people will never encounter

[clear ferry]

All AOCs are active, DACs are 99% passive in my experience

I've probably deployed around 50-70k, one install in 2012 was 1600 of them, last one I did in 2022 was an add-on and 800, and having done this for 16 years I might have done it more than twice

But I would say dac vs optical is mostly 25/75 split in optical favour

Mostly hpc is dac, or very small customers, most customers of any notable size is optical

[last cedar]

Not every raccoon at the same time, but absolutely all of them, one at once

[forest edge]

the filament tube? I agree.. it's hard getting in more than one at a time. Been considering getting a meat mallet to help

[last cedar]

@forest edge you would have the be quick, we can overwhelm you, unless it is a massive mallet

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/bonk-gif-19410756

[last cedar]

You will never stop us all

https://tenor.com/view/funny-raccoon-hail-king-crown-gif-15551856

[forest edge]

talk about a brick lol https://youtu.be/74DyAVa9Xx4?si=C6sKDrXXWZ6_Gkge

[red rock]

A door phone

what a name

[hollow glacier]

protip: if you dont post that clown's videos then we wont have to see his stupid face

[iron granite]

Or we could try to grow up. If I don't like something, I just scroll further.

[glacial knot]

haard on a slow chat

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-very-sloth-slow-gif-15401812

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/turtle-friends-funny-dog-slow-gif-13962148

[hollow glacier]

hibbert is objectively bad for the community spreading a bunch of bs. i am not okay with him convincing noobs to spend money on crap gear and "teaching" them with terrible information just so he can get a cut with his affiliate links.

clown shit

[dusky plank]

you can't win with that

[hearty rock]

ah the chep of home automation

[hollow glacier]

weirdly accurate

[steel crag]

often entertaining, rarely informative

[ripe wharf]

Eh. He's given me ideas to make better. Always something to learn.

[clear ferry]

Ngl, fuck most YouTubers

[solar zealot]

Weird preference :^)

[clear ferry]

Especially the ones who have a weird o face thumbnail as their video preview

[red rock]

Depends what content you consume

[orchid rose]

wojak face just seems to be the standard for YouTube thumbnails. It must be that people just click because they want to punch the person

or is it soyjak

[clear ferry]

:(){ :|:& };:

[glacial knot]

D:

[prisma briar]

:ᗡ

[hearty rock]

https://tenor.com/view/well-fork-you-too-fork-you-the-good-place-eleanor-fork-gif-25315929

[dusky plank]

whats going on when 2 different hosts reply to a ping for 1 specific hostname?

e.g. I ping esp-cam01.iot
and get

64 bytes from esp-cam02.iot (10.0.45.52): icmp_seq=32 ttl=63 time=2.73 ms
64 bytes from esp-cam02.iot (10.0.45.52): icmp_seq=32 ttl=63 time=2.73 ms
64 bytes from esp-cam01.iot (10.0.45.52): icmp_seq=33 ttl=63 time=1.95 ms
64 bytes from esp-cam01.iot (10.0.45.52): icmp_seq=33 ttl=63 time=1.95 ms
64 bytes from esp-cam02.iot (10.0.45.52): icmp_seq=32 ttl=63 time=2.73 ms

(esp-cam02.iot is 10.0.45.54)

[iron granite]

Round robin DNS entries? (edit: reading correctly is hard 🤣)

[dusky plank]

I've restarted my adguard and unbound, is that a client issue then?

[iron granite]

Or are both cams on the same static IP by accident? With multiple DNS entries that should change - and doesn't seem to do 🤔

[red rock]

I think you got a camera with an identity crisis

[clear ferry]

What does ARP say?

Is it two macs?

[iron granite]

It is two ESP cams ducks and runs 🤣

[glacial knot]

both on the same IP. Your DHCP is being dumb

[scenic radish]

It's always DN—wait

[iron granite]

My bet would be wrong static IP or borked DHCP as ongy said

Or aliens

[clear ferry]

Static IP or dual DNS entries

Which is why I'm curious if it is dual macs

Also, only one responds on either sequence

[dusky plank]

they both have static dhcp entries, both have their own mac

[clear ferry]

What Mac does that IP arp to?

[dusky plank]

huh look at that
arp -a
gives

...
esp-cam02.iot (10.0.45.54) at a8:42:e3:4c:6a:00 on vlan02 expires in 578 seconds [vlan]
esp-cam02.iot (10.0.45.52) at b8:27:eb:eb:09:74 on vlan02 expires in 545 seconds [vlan]
...

the heck

sum switch is confused I believe

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/aliens-history-history-channel-meme-gif-10744300

[dusky plank]

after flushing arp in opnsense and clearing all dns everywhere - it works as if nothing ever happened

amazing

[clever mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/poof-gone-gif-6052807

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/schultz-i-see-nothing-gif-11174103

[dusky plank]

ok pebkac

static leases overflowed into dhcp range

opnsense why you don't ring any alarm bells?

[static schooner]

I don't think pfsense lets that happen

[low harness]

But then there's this... https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/674164904298676225/958780818262732810/IMG_5836.png

He made a video that was basically "Home Assistant is getting way better", and I commented saying I'm happy he feels we're heading the right direction. Lots of people are puting lots of hard work into making it so.

It was so hard not to reply to this with "HOOOOOOOME ASSISTANT!"

[forest edge]

hibbert is a clown. I admit I rather enjoy his skits but all he's one of those people who don't really seem to know what they are talking about

@tidal bronze we got dime sized hail here earlier, you missed out on going outside and doing your gene kelley impression

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/home-assistant-paul-hibbert-hibbert-home-tech-hassio-zigbee-gif-20636354

[low harness]

Meh. At least he's a good reminder that CA-glue is not for eating.

Seriosly. I don't get how he can make entire videos without separating his teeth once.

[static schooner]

Just that silent video has encouraged me to avoid him

[iron granite]

😆

[ocean oar]

I'll give him one thing - never seen this guy before, clicked out of morbid curiosity - he can at least speak an entire sentence to camera in one go.
My most hated thing about modern low-attention-span theatre; people who can't put six words in a row without cutting the video four times. It's immensely jarring to watch.

Stupid effects and quality of content aside, that one makes me switch videos off faster than any other

[static schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-dr-hibbert-dont-you-usually-laugh-at-evertything-yes-yes-i-do-gif-7127389621051587971

[orchid rose]

Agree on the cutting mid-sentence. Those few milliseconds of my time that it's saving isn't worth how annoying it sounds

If you speak too slow, I can always just increase the slider until you sound like Ben Shapiro

[red rock]

Do you people have tips on letting go work after work hours

I'm currently at a party, drinking beer, and I'm still responding to Github issues

[clear ferry]

I am currently upgrading lvm volumes on hpux and fixing vlan mapping on Siemens scalance switches

I don't know what you mean

[red rock]

Lmao

[clear ferry]

But seriously, I even don't care about work during daytime hours sometimes

My job is my hobby, and my hobby is my job

But I don't obsess over either

[red rock]

Same

[clear ferry]

If I need to do something else I don't care about work

[red rock]

But I'm now just responding to people over HA over quite too much beers

[clear ferry]

A/S/L

Spot the old man

[red rock]

25 male Utrecht, the Netherlands?

[clear ferry]

So you are unsure of your country, this is bad I suggest less alcohol

[red rock]

Hehe

[clear ferry]

Well, vlan issue fixed

Now just waiting for HCL to extend some LUNs

[forest edge]

https://youtu.be/vq3RsJ35LKU?si=XGvh3FIOKepKuJQj

[iron granite]

I prefer more modern implementations

[valid prawn]

anyone want to take a guess at the big announcements today?

Join us on September 17 to look back on ten years of Home Assistant and hear some very special announcements…

[iron granite]

No spoilers 😝

[umbral cliff]

HA is being bought out by apple, and will now cost $25/month to operate, and $5/per integration

/s

[iron granite]

CAL! You weren't supposed to tell that!!!

[forest edge]

so everything will finally work flawlessly between all intergrations, addons etc? noice!

[iron granite]

And by the way, it is still not 100% clear Apple gets HA. Musk might still be able to place a better offer - Home Assistant will then be known as HomeX

[forest edge]

ooohh maybe we'll get a blue checkmark option for discord and forums then

[iron granite]

Healthy system status only with a subscription

[iron granite]

Discord? Forums? LOL Those are the frist things to be cancelled.

[umbral cliff]

Thought that would be the GitHub

[midnight adder]

Why do so many IP cameras come with rtsp issues???? Will throw IP can number 5 in the trash can today (or actually return it to Amazon). Thus far only Reolink has proven to be stable in long run…

[clear ferry]

No issues with any $20 AliExpress camera I've ever bought

<random Chinese name here>

[prisma briar]

The non cloud amcrest ones aren't bad

[forest edge]

sounds like wifi is involved

[midnight adder]

Do have a crowded network, but why are only ip cams affected and the ip cams of Reolink not?

[forest edge]

luck? the wifi in some cameras is pure shit, but reolink isn't exactly top of the line. I have to run mine on 5g for it to be stable

If a devices connection is not all that strong and you already have a congested network then it's always going to be flaky

[clear ferry]

Pretty hard to have a crowded network in modern times, modern switches are powerful enough for a lot of traffic

[forest edge]

wifi is not that hard to congest these days

[solar zealot]

i saw there are some really affordable 10+2.5gbe switches comming from over there
any of you have experience with them?

[clear ferry]

There is a bunch from $70 upwards

[solar zealot]

but are they any good

[clear ferry]

They are "good enough"

[solar zealot]

its like half the price of what a netgear one would cost

[clear ferry]

https://www.servethehome.com/the-ultimate-cheap-2-5gbe-switch-mega-round-up-buyers-guide-qnap-netgear-hasivo-mokerlink-trendnet-zyxel-tp-link/

[solar zealot]

👍

[clear ferry]

Sodola SL-SWTG015AS
YuanLey YS25-0402

The yunaley is pretty good value

MikroTik CRS310-8G+2S+IN

Too

[last cedar]

If @forest edge was a raccoon

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-jumping-raccoonjumping-gif-24012628

[solar zealot]

rcons

[clear ferry]

What is your thoughts on MSR @finite atlas ?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molten_salt_reactor

https://tenor.com/view/marge-i-just-think-theyre-neat-the-simpsons-neat-potato-gif-8549864

[finite atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/marge-i-just-think-theyre-neat-the-simpsons-neat-potato-gif-8549864

My uneducated thoughts are, they appear to be much much safer, but i dont know how viable nuclear power is.

[clear ferry]

I like it

[hearty rock]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/SWQN9uiAJoA

@clear ferry I think it's promising and needs a lot more study
I think nuclear fission is currently our most eco-friendly and safest form of green energy
and I am really disappointed with Germany for turning their backs on it

and there's been some advances in fusion recently which is really nice

I really like the idea of decomissioning coal power plants, but keep all the steam turbine infrastructure and stick in a fission reactor to generate the steam

that'd reduce the cost of setting up a new fission reactor, a lot of the cost is the steam turbine system

[clear ferry]

I will never forget when I was doing training on HPUX servers with a guy from Ukraine, and the instructor remarked "didn't you do this course earlier?" And he replied with "yes, but boss say me no good enough"

[hearty rock]

haha I remember HPUX

it had an interesting flavor

I accidentally got myself put in charge of my college's DNS server because I caught on to HPUX quicker than any of the IT guys

and BIND

[hearty rock]

haha "boss say me no good enough"

[clear ferry]

I still install 4 new ones per year, but it is regressing some

[hearty rock]

haven't touched HPUX since the late 90s

[clear ferry]

I touched it last night

Migrating lvm 1.0 to 2.2 and expanding lv from 2-3TB

[hearty rock]

I was trying to get this Coral TPU USB accelerator working on a Raspberry Pi Zero W

but it appears that pycoral and pytorch require 64 bit processor, I can't even build pytorch from source

[clear ferry]

Yikes

That sounded like a horrible idea

[hearty rock]

yeah

[solar zealot]

i heard that people can do faster math than a pi

[hearty rock]

I may have to make the pi zero be my retro arcade brain, and use the 3B+ for the Coral

or haul another old Dell down off the shelf sigh

[solar zealot]

the dell probably is worth your time

unless its an entry level core2duo one

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simspons-homer-nuclear-correction-nucular-gif-17370221

[hearty rock]

nah they're all 3rd-7th generation i3 and i5

[solar zealot]

much faster

such wow

[hearty rock]

yeah but unfortunately uses a lot more ⚡ ⚡ ⚡

but it's the next logical step

so far I have tried getting the Coral working in Windows, that worked about as well as you'd expect

I tried getting it to work in WSL2, but it is not capable of passing the USB device through

I tried getting it to work in Hyper-V VM, but it can't pass the USB through

I tried getting it working in vmware workstation VM, it can't pass the USB through

I'm not going to use VirtualBox because 🖕 Oracle 🖕

I tried using it on the pi zero, it doesn't have enough brainz

was going to setup an UnRAID and use a VM on that, but having hardware troubles with the box, I think the motherboard is kaput

so it might be a good idea to pull down another Dell

my server closet is gonna be so full of these damn things 😄

there's already one in there running HA and another running a minecraft server

[finite atlas]

oh you shush up

i know, but everyone calls it nuclear

[glacial knot]

and I thought it's tubular 😮

[iron granite]

A nuclear hot tubular - 🛁

[clear ferry]

Docker 4 lyfe, none of that vm nonsense

[solar zealot]

endangering whales smh

[winged obsidian]

Gag me with a spoon

I just picked up a Shelly Plus 1PM UL with an add-on and temp sensor to control an attic fan. It's my first Shelly device. I've got about 15 devices on ESPHome, mostly ex-Tuya. Opinions requested: Keep Shelly FW and use default HA integration, or switch it to ESPHome?

[ripe wharf]

I keep all my Shelly devices on stock firmware just to have a backdoor through their cloud if my HA server falls over.

[prisma briar]

Funny, backdoors in their cloud is why most people move away from stock firmwares.

[daring jolt]

any documentation about the logo change?

[iron granite]

What kind of documentation do you mean?

[daring jolt]

i saw the discord server logo was changed. is it changing anywhere else? if so, are there any relevant links or info you could give me? if not, let me know

[iron granite]

https://design.home-assistant.io

[daring jolt]

i checked there already - looks like it hasn't changed

[iron granite]

It just has been announced. The documentation will be adapted later

[daring jolt]

👀

are any other parts of the frontend changing?

(sorry for being so uninformed, im a bit late to the anniversary stream)

[steel crag]

I saw the logo changed, I'm worried

[winged obsidian]

Custom/vanity domains for Nabu Casa accounts, if you consider that part of the frontend design.

Works, BTW. You do need a restart and some propagation delays for DNS. Less than 10 minutes.

[static schooner]

At least it didn't change to an Amazon logo 🙂

[floral folio]

Hey I just want to say the "Thank you for using HA" ending to the live event video was the most wholesome thing ever.

[prisma barn]

this logo is..💀

[daring jolt]

the thing that does it for me is how it feels not aligned

[steel crag]

ikr

[daring jolt]

oh damn all the websites are updated

new font

i am still wondering if the frontend will update to use material 3, a new font, finally merge my sidebar pr, etc

[daring jolt]

the design website talks about an "animated" and "animated with sound" variant - where are those?

[red rock]

https://new.home-assistant.io/ 😉

[daring jolt]

thats cool

i shouldve joined the premiere earlier

[red rock]

You can rewatch it

[daring jolt]

i am watching it rn

[red rock]

Ah

[daring jolt]

looks too chonky on a big screen - idk someone will probably address that

[red rock]

There hasn't been a lot of work on that branch

But it exists

[daring jolt]

reminds of the home assistant green page

[red rock]

Do you have the link for that?

[smoky sun]

I'm a fan of the new logo

[daring jolt]

https://home-assistant.io/green

[red rock]

Very nice

[red rock]

Me as well

[daring jolt]

idk im kinda scared to raise issues/pull requests on the existing github repos about places where the design could be improved because it sounds like the nabu casa team are already redesigning everything behind closed doors

probably will be resolved with time

also if you guys havent seen it check out this kinda old but still cool frontend concept

[red rock]

Oh that looks cool

[ocean oar]

Can I just say that

Comes with plug adapters for EU, US, and UK
makes me really irrationally angry.
If you can include those F, A/B and G plugs, you can damn well include a type I as well.

[red rock]

Maybe connect with madalena in DMs?

Or raise the issue in #developers

[daring jolt]

the devs_frontend channel is dead chat most of the time

i ask stuff, nobody replies for weeks

then bram replies, i quickly reply to them with a ping, and they ghost me again

[red rock]

I don't know much about frontend sadly

I do try to respond to questions I can answer tho

By the way @stoic prawn, nice bait with the "Thanks for using ESPHome" 😂

[sleek ibex]

Is it just me or is this "yet another company simplifying their logo"?

[daring jolt]

yup

this is a really cool idea tbh

[red rock]

Open source project*

[daring jolt]

they come at the end of the madelena segment

[clever wigeon]

So, the new logo… (I'm watching the recorded stream right now)
I'm really having trouble not seeing the USB logo there

[ocean oar]

Yeaup, can't un-see that

[clever wigeon]

Took me a couple of minutes to realize why it didn't quite sit right with me

[hearty rock]

I was on the road and I realized I left the office light on, so I tried to shut it off in the HA app on my phone but it errored out

when I got home I found out why -- my father had helpfully noticed the lights on and shut them off at the switch

he can't shut it off the smart way because there's no voice command yet

well there's voice command but you have to do it from the website or the phone app right now

[sleek ibex]

you missed my point...

[red rock]

No no, I got it

[sonic jungle]

Who is this at the end of the announcement video?

[iron granite]

JLo

[umbral cliff]

Because us people who use type I in AU/NZ get forgotten all the time lol

Can probably find a generic barrel plug 12v 1a locally at the least

[ocean oar]

Yeah, just annoying. Definitely not the first time I've seen it, either.

If I was in the market for it, would be buying a PoE splitter anyway 🙂

[solar zealot]

A new ha logo wat is going on

Will we need to pay for it

Will it serve us ads

[stable wolf]

Yeah I definitely don't want to design behind closed doors. Now that everything for HA10 is announced, time to figure out a more Open Design processes...

[stable wolf]

No, no ads ever

[solar zealot]

Then where is the catch. Someone must selling our presence data
How long the tv ran last night
And how many lamps we have

[stable wolf]

If there's a "catch", I'd say it's that it is a bit more expensive compared to Big Tech hubs, because we don't make money off user data

[umbral cliff]

You make money from developers data then! 😛

[stable wolf]

And there's no tech support. Not that Google or Alexa provides any 😜

[umbral cliff]

We all know developers aren't users after all

[solar zealot]

There is for Alexa

[daring jolt]

i think youre being sarcastic, not sure though
(nabu casa subscriptions help fund home assistant, and madelena created the new logo for free, afaik)

[solar zealot]

How could this be real thoughts

[solar zealot]

On that note, while you can add multiple users through amzn homs stuff, only the echo devices will actually be shared, not their smart plugs

[subtle pasture]

That's the new logo? Oof...

The old logo needed some light simplification for sure (it didn't read well at small sizes), but this new one swung way too far in the other direction.

This one is so far removed from the original that the branded hardware looks like it's for a different product entirely >_>

I was going to bring up the much-maligned Cisco logo redesign as a similar example, but being completely honest, I think even that logo managed to remain more recognizable.

I'm having trouble not seeing a home plate (as in baseball) with the new HA logo. lol