the-water-cooler

[balmy bough]

it loses tourque at low speeds

[orchid rose]

oh right they whole torque vs power thing

[scenic radish]

I've definitely also biked home with a pizza strapped to the rear rack on more than one occasion lol

[orchid rose]

Can't do that on that Kona

[balmy bough]

depends on the hill 😉

[orchid rose]

Is it the shocks that increase the price that much? It's only aluminum and Deore which shouldn't be expensive

[balmy bough]

likely development cost and greed

[forest edge]

that's an ev bike?

[scenic radish]

Nope

[forest edge]

isn't that what the whole conversation was about? range on ev bike

[scenic radish]

I don't think so lol

[solar zealot]

The range comes from the breakfast

[steel crag]

middle earth has entered the chat

[scenic radish]

Don't forget about the determination

[steel crag]

caffeine and nicotine

[orchid rose]

I don't think a single ebike has been mentioned, but since you asked, this was a fun project as well

[forest edge]

this was your response to a 6k ev bike tho

so yea.. I just went with the whole thing being about electric lol

[solar zealot]

It looks fun

And finally a non black color

[scenic radish]

He said they aren't electric

[steel crag]

first mod I do ever on anything is brake upgrades

shrugs

[balmy bough]

yeah, brakes can make or break a ride

[orchid rose]

Bad brakes can be really bad

[forest edge]

I came into seeing the convo and saw this comment. I just assumed.. the mother of all fuck ups

what a boring conversation.. not even about ev lol

[scenic radish]

Don't you mean make or brake

[forest edge]

wish i had known prior. would have just stayed out of it

[solar zealot]

You are in for the ride now

Hehehe

[steel crag]

you pick that horse up you better ride it

or whatever bush said

[solar zealot]

If the foilage starts to talk watch out

[scenic radish]

There's a saying in Tennessee...

[steel crag]

only the one?

[forest edge]

that was the saying, it is just literally, "There's a saying in Tennessee..."

[balmy bough]

i could say something, but it would be NSFW 😉

[steel crag]

thanks captain obvious, I was asking if there were any more

[scenic radish]

It was a vague reference to George Bush (former US president) saying something stupid lol

[solar zealot]

Is there any president who didnt

[steel crag]

there were two of them, equally stupid comments from both

[scenic radish]

https://youtu.be/rQ6N-sb7SVQ

[forest edge]

tags @clever mortar about it getting all political up in here..

[orchid rose]

Even I'm not triggered yet

[steel crag]

first of all, it's comedic license

[scenic radish]

FAIR USE

[steel crag]

secondly talking about history

[scenic radish]

Something something freeze peach

[steel crag]

not a current politician

[forest edge]

save it for the judge

[steel crag]

Tinkie?

or Judge Judy

[scenic radish]

Judge Judeez nuts

[steel crag]

small.

[forest edge]

@tidal bronze just saw the good news that you were able to finally get out of burning man

must have been hard being trapped there

[winged obsidian]

Go to that desert next week, pick up a lifetime supply of free bikes.

[forest edge]

I read somewhere that they do actually do a really good job cleaning up the mess from that event unlike so many others

[static schooner]

https://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2018/08/china-abandoned-bike-share-graveyards/566576/

when mass production goes awry

[solar zealot]

Right that's a thing

They must be less valuable than their scrap costs

Kinda mad

[orchid rose]

Next big thing. Just like electric scooters still seem to be

[forest edge]

it's chinese metal.. it is worthless lol

[solar zealot]

It may be poor quality but it's still a resource

[forest edge]

thats questionable

thier entire infrastructure is crumbling around them. quite literally. why would you just remake the same things that crumble?

plenty of youtube videos showing how even thier building material is basically crap

[solar zealot]

You could just make anything else out of stuff

[forest edge]

nothing of real value tho.. so whats the diffrence?

[solar zealot]

Why not. The value doesn't come from it's shape

[forest edge]

they have access to quality stuff, and they do use that to make some things but the majority of it, is literally just crap

talking about the resource

[steel crag]

chinesium best.

[forest edge]

they are currently rebuilding entire buildings because they have a 5-10 shelf life

[steel crag]

but they can also build a building in a few hours so why not

screw redecorating, just build a new one

[tidal bronze]

I'm three cars behind you

[forest edge]

you wish lmao

[steel crag]

dont you mean 3 bikes

[solar zealot]

For the bikes at least it's steel which could have more use than sitting as broken bikes. Even if it's poor quality

[forest edge]

yea they could be turned into many of the "quality" tools they pump out that breaks before it even leaves the package lol

[solar zealot]

Ah yes because that's all that can be done

[forest edge]

don't worry, it seems like norwegian like buying all that crap up.. just give them time to pump out a bigger population

now you really wanna be sad about something. check out those massive tire mountains in kuwait

[solar zealot]

They sell it to :Ikea: for people to assemble. Can't be broken out of the box if you don't assemble it

Tires are pretty much a wear part surely we managed to sell it to others

We do that with plenty of our garbage

[forest edge]

recycling rubber isn't as easy as it sounds when dealing with those big numbers tho

way more toxic and pollutant to the world than scrap metal

[steel crag]

I guess you never seen the freighter/cruise ship graveyards in Africa either Sonoma

were they break them down barefoot

[forest edge]

I have but as i just said..

[solar zealot]

A smart move. Load ship with garbage, scrap the ship

What are they gonna do? Ship it back?

[steel crag]

that wouldn't even faze the scrappers

it would be emptied faster lol

[solar zealot]

Kinda amazing how this is acceptable and not done with nuclear waste, at least I hope

[winged obsidian]

Historically they have. I’ve got doubts about their ability to do it this year. At minimum they’ll have to wait weeks for it to dry enough, and stuff will get buried in the mud.

[winged obsidian]

Also Bangladesh https://maps.app.goo.gl/umhABR6tycnJn8qt7?g_st=ic

Pin location isn’t great, turn on satellite photos and scroll NE a bit.

[young sigil]

Nice. Bafang BBS02? That's what I put on my Giant hardtail. Was heaps of fun but a bumpy commute. So I upgraded to a Frey full suspension (before they got stupid expensive).

[orchid rose]

Yeah I think that's the one, 750W

That Frey looks dope

[young sigil]

It's pretty heavy and the brake disks were too small (since replaced) but other than that it has been awesome. It's the AM1000 V1 (they're up to V6 now). Some have had frame issues but I don't do enough sick jumps for that to be an issue.

[kindred gazelle]

Dont know where to ask this but: anyone knows if its possible to put a wifi switch on a streetlight?

[clear ferry]

@glacial knot I need some yaml loop help for a collegue 😄

[glacial knot]

yaml loop? 😅

[glacial knot]

Legally? 😮
A lot of things are possible, but if you are allowed to...

[silent dove]

@clear ferry I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

[clear ferry]

I suck at ansible substitution

😄

[glacial knot]

I'm in the office today :I
Can't look at the file in a useful way on my phone
Also, Ansible 🤢

[clear ferry]

[silent dove]

@clear ferry I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

[clear ferry]

damn you bot

😄

[young sigil]

Totally illegal, aim a laser pointer at the street-light daylight switch. That'll switch it off. I used to do that when using my telescope in my backyard. Controlling power to the laser should be easy enough in HA. Ask in DIY if you need help.

[glacial knot]

I don't think our lights work that way o.0
Some do, but most of them are too synchronous in how they turn on/off for it to be on individual sensors

[kindred gazelle]

Ofc, i know its illegal. Its in the alley of my backyard and also for the telescope. Im not sure if we have a daylight switch on the outside 😅

[kindred gazelle]

Same, it look like a timer or something

Im gonna look for a fuse and maybe ill just pull it out then lol

[young sigil]

Does it have a bump on top like this? https://www.digitalpressworks.com/dealing-with-street-lights/

[glacial knot]

Ours have access boxes on comfortable height. The "key" is just a slightly specific wrench shape
Though you are not allowed to open them
They have live wires at all times, and are fused high enough to make some crispy human

[clever mortar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Khp3wb0QMpQ one lamp should have one, controlling a few

[kindred gazelle]

No, its a straight one not curved

[kindred gazelle]

Yeah sounds about the same as here.

[clear ferry]

Yeah, I've never seen a sensor on the street lights, they are all controlled from a central point

and switch on simultaniously

Then again, Norway probably has the highest number of streetlights per road in the world, I'm always amazed when I travel abroad that y'all don't have streetlights

[iron granite]

Would artillery be a viable option?

[clear ferry]

There is hardly any road, small or large in Norway that doesn't have streetlight

[kindred gazelle]

Maybe on the freeway idk

[glacial knot]

Oh yea, I could lend you my 🏹

[kindred gazelle]

Lol

[clear ferry]

when I got to france the first time, I was flabbergasted, since they don't even enforce car headlights on at night

damn french people

driving from Lyon to Grenoble was pitch dark

[iron granite]

You need to open your eyes while driving

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/bKvOI.gif

[kindred gazelle]

Well ill just look for a fuse or i just cover it then 🫣

[clear ferry]

NGL, Ningen Isu is my new favorite band of 2023

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3Zy8eceZdU

[kindred gazelle]

There actually is something on top but might also just be a screw for the cap

[iron granite]

Is that a street lamp on private property? Here those often have an extra box with a light sensor like this nearby.

[kindred gazelle]

Street lamp in an alley

[solar zealot]

That's what the gov wants you to believe! It's a camera tracking every move!

[kindred gazelle]

it has an acces box with a special key (triangle)

And from what ive read on the internet, the signal (Frequency) goed through copper wires and turns them on

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/jammed-signal-spaceballs-jam-the-signal-block-the-signal-signal-interruption-gif-24854397

Jam it

[kindred gazelle]

If its rf maybe 😜, if wires i need to acces the thing i guess

[umbral cliff]

Yeah most cities in australia are lit pretty decently, but canberra has barely any, legally can't have that many to ensure its dark for the major nearby observatory

[clear ferry]

Typical norwegian street

Typical highway

[umbral cliff]

Typical street isn't too different than most cities I've seen
Canberra is esepcially bad though

[clear ferry]

Very helpful in winter

especially up north

with no sunlight above horizon

[umbral cliff]

Yeah if you don't have sunlight they're important

[clear ferry]

Picture from my hometown in winter, we use a lot of light

that is probably around 2pm or so

since there is some light on the sky

[steel crag]

reminds me of my time in Sweden

sunset around 1pm

sun rose around 11am

lol

and it just got worse

[kindred gazelle]

2pm and that dark already?! looks nice though

[clear ferry]

in the most dark part of winter we have maybe 3-4h of any light

and never above the horizon

[kindred gazelle]

Thats crazy, i experience must that

Normal for you probably 😜

Just like, there are some countries where ist always dark or daylight 🤯

For a specific time of the year

[clear ferry]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lAOa2tcCDc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqpdF0BNyM8

We only have the sun under the horizon for 27th of november till 15th of january

but we have winter from september till june some years

[kindred gazelle]

Its cold there now? 😱

[clear ferry]

Svalbard is 26th of october till 16th of february

well, this year has been very strange, and due to global heating snow is rare in september now

when I grew up it was pretty normal

I've dug my car out of snow on my birthday, 5th of june

[kindred gazelle]

😂

Looks very cool over there. I put it on the list

[last cedar]

Very cool in winter 🤣

[kindred gazelle]

Jokeskirt

[winged obsidian]

Industria 2000 series? Manual for that says it's just a lock nut. https://www.yumpu.com/en/document/read/32732119/download-indal-wrtl-exterior-lighting

[kindred gazelle]

Idk looks like it. Thx but ive just seen its a triangle thingy.. i just found out a socket wrench 9mm also fits

[winged obsidian]

You could try fire

[kindred gazelle]

😂

It actually would be really nice if i can put some kind of wifi switch in it so i can turn it of when i want

[winged obsidian]

Not a lot of room under the lamp, and operating temperature would be high. In the pole would be tough to get a wifi signal. 🤷‍♂️

[kindred gazelle]

Didnt think about that.. is sure has to be inside the pole yes.

[winged obsidian]

Maybe just throw a big tarp over it

[static schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/mrburnssu-mrburnssun-gif-22510204

[kindred gazelle]

Yeah thats probably the easiest way

[static schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-burns-excellent-the-simpsons-gif-14014818

[kindred gazelle]

Ofc the simpsons can help lolll

[grizzled gull]

Wife approved me to build a new computer so son can get my hand me down(5800x), trying to decide if I want b650e vs b650 AM5 board :/

[orchid rose]

Neither since those are AM5 and the CPU is AM4

Find yourself some nice B550 in whatever configuration you need

[grizzled gull]

my current setup is a 5800x sorry for confusion, being given to my kid

getting a 7800x3d they are onsale at microcenter, just trying to decide if I need PCIE 5 for the graphics card

[orchid rose]

How much is the difference right now? You probably don't need it now but if you plan to upgrade the AM5 platform should stay here for a few generations

[grizzled gull]

not that much 20-3o dollars, also thinking of going with a "budget" x670e board to really future proof(no such thing but you know)

[orchid rose]

I really wouldn't bother unless you plan on really using those extra pci-e lanes

[finite atlas]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTBnzUF6EbE

[grizzled gull]

God I feel old, I'm rocking a 5.1 setup and many new motherboards don't even have the 3.5mm jacks for surround sound, then it dawned on me my setup is like 15 years old :/

[neat lantern]

ah yes. http on port 443

[steel crag]

that's why they make these 😛 https://www.amazon.com/Vantec-NBA-200U-External-Channel-Adapter/dp/B004HXGJ3S

[grizzled gull]

actually have that in my amazon shopping basket

Its hard to get rid of Logitech THX certified self powered system thats older then my kids but still works just fine

[subtle pasture]

Yeah, most systems use digital surround sound now, and use a single HDMI or SPDIF cable to transfer all audio channels.

[grizzled gull]

hard to replace what just work, so its going the way of the PS/2 connection 🙂

[scenic radish]

I mean, it's possible to do—just unusual

[subtle pasture]

SPDIF has been an option since the 1980's, and is/was often included along-side analog surround outputs on motherboards 😛

Yeah, just checked, my current Z690 motherboard has analog surround and SPDIF outputs

[grizzled gull]

The boards I'm looking at don't, its all about compromises I guess

[subtle pasture]

Which board you looking at?

[grizzled gull]

I think I'm going with a Steel Legend b650e, as much as I am leary toward asrock MSI and Asus are doing it for me with the packages they are offering

aren't*

[subtle pasture]

Yeah, no analog surround on that board, it requires you use SPDIF

[grizzled gull]

yep, all the Asrock boards are like that this generation I think, HONESTLY i use my headphones more then anything but I still enjoy real surround sound when watching a movie or some games

[subtle pasture]

I'm assuming this is a self-powered computer surround-sound system without a built-in decoder of any kind?

Because if it's a standard home theater surround sound system, you'd just connect one TOSLINK cable from your motherboard to the reciver and be good to go

[grizzled gull]

correct completely analog

uses 3.5mm jacks

[subtle pasture]

https://www.amazon.com/StarTech-com-7-1-USB-Sound-Card/dp/B002LM0U2S?th=1

StarTech to the rescue. There's always an adapter. lol

This'll take the TOSLINK port on that board and break it out into a bunch of analog outputs

[grizzled gull]

logitech z506 12 years old approximately, makes me wonder if I should just upgrade and give these to my kid lol

[grizzled gull]

wow ram has gotten cheap

[finite atlas]

why not just get a used soundcard?

[finite atlas]

ssds have gotten a lot cheaper aswell

[grizzled gull]

not sure I get what you are saying?

[finite atlas]

its late, my brain is not working that well

is it better now?

[grizzled gull]

unfortunately I can't do any PCI-E sound cards because oh my computer is setup vertical graphics card with a riser cable

[finite atlas]

why not usb?

[grizzled gull]

Thats the plan

[finite atlas]

asus xonar u5 or u7 arent rare on the second hand market and not all too expensive

[grizzled gull]

@finite atlas also picked up 2 - 2 TB Crucial NVME drives as well, p5 plus's not gen5 but honestly I'm not even sure I need gen 4 lol

[finite atlas]

if you are unsure, than no

even a decent sata ssd is enough for 99.9% of pc users

[grizzled gull]

I actually got them because they have dram, they weren''t to bad

so many cheap NVME's have no onboard memory

[finite atlas]

there is a good reason they are cheap :p

[grizzled gull]

But I agree on not needing an NVME other then not wanting physically mounted drives in my setup(wall hanging water cooled system)

I have my finger's crossed my waterblock will work with AM5, it SHOULD as it is standard AMD mounting with thumb screws on the corners

[finite atlas]

am5 was designed, to be well compatible with existing am4 coolers

[grizzled gull]

yeah its the height that becomes an issue, which I should be ok with. Going from a 5800x to a 7800x3d truely the only reason I'm upgrading is my kids computer is getting a little slow and its an excuse :/

His isn't even that bad, I think is a 3600x(maybe 2600x I forget)

with a 2070

[finite atlas]

will i get your sons old system then?

because it sounds better than mine

[grizzled gull]

Nephew is getting that I believe... lol its a triple upgrade

[wintry hazel]

Ah the hand-me-down chain

[grizzled gull]

Well I went a whole other direction and went with an MSI board instead, with the savings of not paying for the DAC and the toslink cable it only cost me 10 more dollars and it is an x670e board

[dusky plank]

mkay

[umbral cliff]

Live cam of the mouse being killed?

[wintry hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-suicide-booth-bender-fry-gif-20888226

[dusky plank]

mice probably got smarter so the dumb ones don't work anymore maybe?
evolution

[iron granite]

Ever thought about smart home gadgets just being part of a big human trap?

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-dance-trapped-cage-silly-gif-5791113

[umbral cliff]

That's just tuya

[low harness]

I can do even better https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSnvVtM4lBIXh_AFc4XnV9eCqY9AzlnD- (no significant animal cruelty)

[umbral cliff]

Oh god hahaha

[mystic kraken]

play hunger games death sound effect on trigger

[harsh heath]

lol

[young sigil]

Ha I knew what that was going to be.

[iron granite]

The Mission Impossible theme would have been the better background music

[low harness]

From knowing I'm a huge Mathias Wandel fan, or just from being awesome yourself?

[last cedar]

I guess I am the raccoon

[orchid rose]

What I think I am, top left. What other people think I am, bottom right

[forest edge]

look at all that filament. and in multiple colors too!

[solar zealot]

is 802.3az yay or neigh

[finite atlas]

neater to have it, than not to have it

[finite atlas]

all of the above

[steel crag]

the siberian/bengal tiger has the same look on it's face I have on mine most of the time

[static schooner]

That tiger might have eaten that raccoon

[orchid rose]

Come on, that raccoon 100% outsmarted that chonker, no question

[steel crag]

I'll reserve comment for places not as classy as this discord

[tidal bronze]

@forest edge when did switch from car to suv? I like the wrap 👌

[forest edge]

last I checked California charges for property tax for vehicles so that cali tag is a dead giveaway that even to save a few bucks, I wouldn't be caught dead sporting it regardless what vehicle it's bolted on lol

[winged obsidian]

Gender reveal: my RAV4 is blue. It might even be the same age as that one. Runs great, 103k miles.

@forest edge I’d have to look up the taxes, but <$100 last year.

[hearty rock]

I still haven't decided if my RAV4 is greenish-silver or silvery-green

but I like that it still has the tailgate mounted spare

[forest edge]

dosen't matter the reaction from people is always the same, barf

[hearty rock]

hehe

[scenic radish]

https://youtu.be/TTaepL9B0AY

[tidal bronze]

That's a tough one

[tidal bronze]

I have no idea about what you're mumbling about.

[young sigil]

I am also a fan.

[forest edge]

the concept of paying taxes is a mystery to you? poor rich people's dilemmas lmao

[tidal bronze]

Just pay it and move on what's so complicated about taxes?

[last cedar]

Only if you can catch them.

To be fair, with those short legs that might not be too difficult

[static schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/duck-waddle-snow-cute-gif-15429157

[solar zealot]

Would overlaying coverage of a wifi network either with more aps of the same/a different network help to keep speeds up / latency low?

It may be my imagination but running 60ish devices on a mesh seems like it's a bit slower to load websites than before

[clear ferry]

if you are running mixed mode (2.4 \ 5ghz) on the same ssid that will usually also slow down stuff

when I tried that on my tp link mesh it gave me 70Mbps with mixed, and 550Mbps with only 5g

[solar zealot]

Currently I run all my wifi smort devices over the guest network on the same aps

Like I could switch them out for either faster ones or buy the sameish once again and replace the guest network by its own hardware

[umbral cliff]

Weird
I'm easily getting 500+ with mixed with my unifi gear
If it drops to 2.4 for whatever reason then it will be slow of course but never had that happen

[solar zealot]

It's some tp link stuff. Ui gear sadly doesn't have nice to put ones

[umbral cliff]

I prefer the look of Unifi gear for on ceiling, the omada gear looks too bulky

Can't wait for Atx to 🤮 me

[solar zealot]

I kinda like the cup style shape on a shelf as those are rather easy to hide in sight

Only weird thing is their magical ethernet backup. It either does route traffic over it or it doesn't but reverse links it over wifi

And there is no way to configure that :^)

[prisma briar]

No it doesn't...

[clear ferry]

It did both on my linksys and tp link mesh

so I disabled it

[finite atlas]

mesh, yuck

[prisma briar]

Was your mesh falling back to 2.4GHz for some reason?

Wireless meshing is generally crap in my experience.

UniFi's wireless meshing caused all kinds of weird problems for me when I tried it, WDS on OpenWRT was a pita to configure and never quite stable for me.

My dad has a TP-Link mesh with a mixed network though and other than him needing to physically power cycle APs once a month or so it works fine.

[clear ferry]

Yeah no issues with mine ever

Except the mixed mode stuff

[prisma briar]

His neighborhood has always had periodic power issues though so I blame that for needing power cycling

[finite atlas]

wired 802.11r ftw

[prisma briar]

I use Unifi's fast roaming, which I think is 802.11v?

I looked into all that at one point

[prisma briar]

I run mixed mode on my Unifi stuff and generally get 300-500Mbps speed tests over wifi.

I'm pretty sure having mixed AC and 5GHz AX clients will affect AX client max speed, but AC should still give 200-300Mbps.

[clear ferry]

Might just be my clients that are funky when I did the testing

[hearty rock]

@solar zealot it's been my experience that too many APs is just as bad as not enough APs, because they talk over each other and lots of radio interference even if you have them on different channels. I've had a couple sites I've improved performance by pulling a couple APs

if your APs can't support enough simultaneous devices without bogging down, then it's time to maybe consider switching to Ubiquiti UniFi

also I set up an IDIoT network for all the gadgets, that network can't talk back to the main network, but the main network can initiate communication to IDIoT devices

also when you mesh APs, I mean connect them wirelessly instead of over a cable, you lose a big hunk of performance for every hop you get away from the wire.

performance - network throughput

[solar zealot]

Currently the setup is 3 aps, two of which are connected by cables. They should support "up to 100 devices", whatever that means. More capable ones from the deco line do a bit more but not by a whole lot

Id suspect that dropping more money into it may not give me the funky results

Even tho the guest network with the smort devices is 2.4ghz only for compatibility reasons while the other also has 5 enabled

Sadly there isn't really any debug stuff provided from those aps to figure out what's up

[prisma briar]

I have about 65 wifi devices, I've ran them off of two unifi APs before but I have four now.

[hearty rock]

@solar zealot so what kind of symptoms are you experiencing?

[late gate]

ok, noob question, but when you run docker in mcvlan and the container get own ip and mac, why would it care if port 80 is used on another container? I get in use, even if every container is on mcvlan

[solar zealot]

It's mostly that sites load a bit sluggish and playing games over wifi drops a bit more packages than would be acceptable

[late gate]

Also to the zfs gurus here. Is it possible to add drives to a zfs pool? I have 5 available drives I would like to add to the pool, but I am not sure how to do it

[clear ferry]

No that is not how zfs works

If your current pool is 5 drives you can add a new vdev to it with the five other drives

But then a failure of either vdev results in data loss of all pool data

[clear ferry]

Shouldn't, also you shouldn't use macvlan

[golden wing]

check out how tiny shelly's new relay is

plus esp32 so you could set up ble proxy in esphome and maybe ble tracking but i haven't been able to get ble tracking to work with my esp32 dev boards

[tidal bronze]

Overlapping coverage is good for roaming devices. All static ones I would lock them to the AP with best signal.

[late gate]

can those be connected together? I know the support for adding disks one by one is is in pull request to the zfs project so hopefully it wont take too much time before it get accepted, @clear ferry

[solar zealot]

Kinda unreal that this isn't already a thing

[clear ferry]

Draid expansion has been in the works for 2 years already, I expect it to be ready in 2025

And that is dRAID, not raidz

[grizzled gull]

anyone else get nervous before building a new computer, regretting having open loop water cooling setup right now lol

[clear ferry]

I haven't built one since 2009 and I have never bothered with water cooling, I do however work with full rack water cooled systems

[late gate]

So you suggest keeping two seperate pools?

[clear ferry]

I would

Unless you need higher performance at more risk

[late gate]

alright. thats doeable. Right now I setup raidz on the pools. I guess that uses one drive for some pairity stuff

but what is the main issue if you have one big pool and do snapshots all the time?

on raidz (or raidz2)

I have one pool with 4x 8TB U2 drives as my "fast drive" for docker, vm etc and one zfs pool drive for movies, tv shows, and general storage

I also got 4x 2TB enterprise NVME, but I have no idea what to use them for

[red rock]

you vs the guy she told you not to worry about

[tidal bronze]

@forest edge this reminded of you.

[static schooner]

it's like a fish laid a bunch of eggs in some custard

[tidal bronze]

Caviar on creame of potato with potato croutons in the deep

[winged obsidian]

Mine is 8R3 Pacific Blue Metallic. Yeah, I just had to do some touch-up.

[tidal bronze]

Anything that starts with Pacific is always a win.

I have to check what my color is 🤣

Must be some variation of black as always

[wintry hazel]

I got the email for that and just wondered if the terminals are even worse for Australian cabling requirements. My highlight of that product release was the wall panels if they do everything they pitch and if I can maybe get them connected locally to HA and doing even more fancy one day

[red rock]

this looks expensive

[solar zealot]

Kinda weird that Shelly doesn't just start selling switches with the features already built in

[tidal bronze]

It's relative 😆

[red rock]

Haha, understandable

[tidal bronze]

https://providencela.com/menus/dinner/ see for yourself 😆

[wintry hazel]

The relay method allows them to address both loop at switch and loop at light wiring without needing a rewire, also means cosmetically you can choose what the plate on you wall looks like

I mean, the new wall plate they released also has a switch built in too

[red rock]

Sounds really nice

[solar zealot]

The assumption is that a wall recess can fit an additional device which sadly isn't the case everywhere. On the other hand such sockets totally will fit a switch or a socket as that's what they are meant to hold
150 bucks for their wall display kinda seems like a non solution for turning on a directly connected light fixture if that's the one you mean

[forest edge]

rabbit turds? that a 5 star cuisine?

[wintry hazel]

Oh I fully understand your position; however I am willing to bet they’re still in the company size range where they need to be able to cover as many applications using as few production lines as possible. If they can achieve the same form factor as the Clipsal Iconic smart push button then I definitely agree I’d love to see it

Has anyone built a very lightweight Linux OS specially for HA-connected displays around their home? I haven’t found the correct combination of search terms yet…
I was given a commercial wall panel for a home automation system that looked to have windows 95 embedded and I can’t decide if I should identify the chipset and try overwrite OS, or just scrap the board and stuff a Pi in its place. I’m not confident with those little touchscreen ribbons as far as whether they have some kind of named standard for pinout either lol

[tidal bronze]

Yep sun dried

[forest edge]

just like your tree hugging brain 😛

[winged obsidian]

Misery Chiefs got beat by the boy from California.

[last cedar]

@forest edge me and crew are outside, we got the guard coyotes hostage

And we broke your filament making machine

[prisma briar]

The game I'm playing through right now has racoons in it randomly running around.

[static schooner]

Ain't nobody getting this delicious trash...
Oh yeah? You and what army?
...
Oh...

[forest edge]

looks i finally get to use my wood chipper

[wintry hazel]

That’s a gruesome mental image

[clear ferry]

Not exactly how it works, you should read the zfs primer, also dRAID>raidZ

[glacial knot]

for raidz1 it's close enough

[clear ferry]

Snapshots to where? Unless you send those snapshots to another pool they aren't gonna help with data protection

[clear ferry]

Parity is still distributed, not on a single volume, that would be raid3

[glacial knot]

And how often does that make a real difference in how you handle the raid and it's components?

[wintry hazel]

Okay, so I think I will use this housing but buy a pi touchscreen and space it to sit in the same position because this expensive hardware is kinda trash.
If I buy an Amazon Raspberry Pi sensor starter kit I can probably have it also provide a bunch of info back to HA as a bonus

[clear ferry]

You'd be surprised what can go wrong when people don't understand their storage

[glacial knot]

So when do you care about this difference?
Especially in a system that doesn't allow you to pick. Where there are some performance differences to consider

[prisma briar]

The benefit is draid has distributed parity so it resilvers faster and retains better performance when degraded.

There's no reliability benefit afaik

Though I guess it would result in less thrashing on physical media since one drive wouldn't be serving all parity calculation requests.

[clear ferry]

Understanding the underlying filesystem is quite important to understand its caveats, reliability and seperate functions, like the special vdev devices and more

[clear ferry]

Sure there is, it has dedicated distributed spare, and you can have multiple spares

[glacial knot]

I still miss a situation where that property matters
Don't beat around the bush

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/george-bush-president-bush-gif-19036694

[prisma briar]

Multiple spares is not unique to draid, and 'dedicated distributed spare' makes no sense. You have no idea what you're rambling about, do you?

[static schooner]

Take a platter from each and stick it in a new case?

<kidding, kidding>

[clear ferry]

It sure isn't, but the implementation of sparing in draid is very similar to most SAN the last 20 years, and a whole lot more efficient and useful since it doesn't exclude drive IO from the pool

[solar zealot]

guess we need to order more gear from them then ;D

[wintry hazel]

Done and done

Except I think I’m getting a $60 pi touchscreen to replace the hardware in my current project first, and need to decide what kind of sensors I wish to add to the build if I want to try add fancy features

[solar zealot]

i am mad. samsung doesnt seem to make 2.5" 8tb ssds which dont use the qlc garbage

and kinda no one else does make em at this size

[wintry hazel]

I scrounge for hard drives in stuff that’s being thrown out and make use of them, I haven’t paid for or researched a drive in so long

[clear ferry]

Yikes

[late gate]

how fun when you are rsyncing 20TB and forget to turn it on before going to bed -- I am am idiot --

[clear ferry]

Thought you had a 10g link, should be around 5 hours

[wintry hazel]

aka the modern attempt at a good night's sleep

[steel crag]

sleep? what's that?

[prisma briar]

It's what you do to progress the server to the next day.

[steel crag]

You mean watch movies?

[finite atlas]

there are plenty

[finite atlas]

https://geizhals.de/?cat=hdssd&xf=252_7680~4836_2&sort=r&hloc=at&hloc=de&v=e

[solar zealot]

Those are u.2

Besides some pm samsung ones

Oh no I am wrong, Kingston to the rescue!

[finite atlas]

just choose the sata interface in the filters, but i would choose samsung over kingston

[solar zealot]

Yea that seems smart

[clear ferry]

Rebranded Samsungs are also good, a lot of the hpe ones are either Samsung or hynix

Used that is

Great U2 deal too

https://www.ebay.com/itm/126074644291?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=LUP7xa5oRW6&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=rtxjSfSbSCy&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=MORE

If the bidding doesn't go too High

[tidal bronze]

@clear ferry if you are setting up a NAS today what would be the most power efficient and low noise setup?

[clear ferry]

How many bays?

[tidal bronze]

8 to 12

Thinking of HA and 3 of the same units

[clear ferry]

I'd say any mini itx with a n95/100 and a chassis with the required bays, HDDs would entail some kind of fans either way, with SSDs you might get away with fully passive cooled

N100 has a tdp of 6w and gives you 4 cores and 3.4ghz

If only storage even that is overkill

If doing more, depends on the load

16GB memory does allow barely zfs, if only zfs though

[finite atlas]

👀

i've run it with services and proxmox on 8gb

[clear ferry]

Would work, for small workloads

Wouldn't recommend it

16GB lowest I'll recommend for zfs

[finite atlas]

to top it off, i also added a 16gb optane cache for zfs to the 8gb of total ram

gave the 1tb hdd mirror array a useable speed

[clear ferry]

Yikes

[solar zealot]

You can just plonk down 32gb onto it

[tidal bronze]

Thank you

[forest edge]

@static schoonerThink I may have already asked you, even recently in fact if you had used HA to track your cats weights or not?

I don't remember, so much shit has happen over the past few months it's hard for me to retain lol

[static schooner]

Nope

[forest edge]

do you not track thier weight at all? or just glance at the app and rely on vet visits?

[static schooner]

I track in the app

But I will start tracking in HA, now that you mention it

[prisma briar]

Hmm, I never considered tracking my dog's weight like that.

[forest edge]

I maintain a 2 week glance in HA but do long term track using influx

[static schooner]

I have a fat cat who is on a diet at the vet's suggestion

[static schooner]

She's 16lb, should be closer to 10

[prisma briar]

Ah. My dog was overweight when I got her but she got down to a healthy weight pretty quickly and hasn't really ever deviated.

I think part of that was because she had an undiagnosed injury when I got her so she wasn't very active.

She had a blown disc in her spine, the vet thought she got hit by a car at some point. I had to keep her crated for 6 weeks after I got her to let it heal.

Didn't know until we came home after a walk and she couldn't make it up the two steps on my porch by herself.

[forest edge]

not sure if I should be using statistics senor to show just mean data or if that would ultimately smooth out more important fluctuations

the time the cats like to keep their front feet on the entry way while doing their buisness causes dips which I think a statitics sensor would eliminate if I understand how those work correctly

[static schooner]

I just added a state_class to start LTS

[forest edge]

I had created one statitics sensor for one cat to see how it would go. the original template sensor I have has a state class for it. both show diffrent pounds up to almost a pound diffrence

the statics shows a mean off a 24 hr period

like the cats last actual reading was 13.26 and the statics sensor currently shows 14.07. I am not 100% comfortable with that diffrence

vet says a cat losing so much as half a pound within 7 days is a little concerning

so those changes can mean a lot

[forest edge]

@tidal bronze aren't you using flume to meter your water?

[tidal bronze]

Yes

[forest edge]

is your current meter from the city a "smart meter" or just the old dial ones?

smart as in, smart for them to access not for you to get access lol

[tidal bronze]

Smart, I can read from RF as well. Flume is easier.

[forest edge]

curious cause mine is some sensus or whatever flex smart meter but it's data is encrypted. not sure if the flume would still work strapped to that thing vs an old school one

wait is flume cloud or local?

[tidal bronze]

Flume will work. Cloud

[forest edge]

gross

[tidal bronze]

Cloud/Local I am good, as long as shit works. Flume works

[forest edge]

welp I can't use flume, just checked the meter compatiablity on the flume site

[tidal bronze]

Oh flume is not compatible with wooden water buckets? Such a shame

[forest edge]

the opposite it would seem lol

if i had some ancient mayan meter it would have been fine

[tidal bronze]

You should invest on getting running water done before a meter ?

[forest edge]

I think our water supply dosen't contain enough plastic

might be the issue

[tidal bronze]

Then again why flume? you can go 1 bucket, 2 bucket .....

Just do a text entry on HA problem solved

Both my meters are RF readable but only 1 is flume compatible

[forest edge]

I might able to just pull the data from our more advanced water infrastructure. like my eletric. still gross cloud but atleast I won't be forking out 250+ on a device to force cloud access down my throt

[tidal bronze]

We get a rebate for flume from LADWP

[forest edge]

enjoy that quarter

[tidal bronze]

Why did they encrypt the data? Worried barn folk might hurt themselves with numbers?

[forest edge]

who knows.. maybe if it weren't we'd be stuck in the olden times like you west coasters

[tidal bronze]

Reminded me to check usage.

Much better with water smart sprinkler heads

[forest edge]

watering sand..

[tidal bronze]

Welp, sandy loam

Still little too much for 2 people 🤣

[forest edge]

almost 1500 gallons in one day?

you providing showers for the homeless?

35k gallons ina single month cannot be right.

but no fucking wonder you guys almost ran out of water in your state

[solar zealot]

thats 133m³ of water. how many avocado plantations are there??

[tidal bronze]

You should've seen before the new sprinkler heads. 🤣

[tidal bronze]

No avocado. Lemon, pink grapefruit, apples, orange, blood orange, guava, and the usual veggies and herbs

[solar zealot]

at least the tasty stuff

[forest edge]

your meme would be a dude standing on the surface of the sun with a garden hose

[late gate]

is it anyone that use nordigen/gocardless bank API here that cant get new bank accounts out of it?

[pale chasm]

What strategies are there to handle storing IOT data offline and automatically uploading it when there is connectivity?

My use case: I'm looking to put HA on a Raspi w/cell modem in my RV. I plan to use it to track various things (location, solar & batteries, climate). I'd also like to upload the data to a server (cloud based or at home) for viewing when I'm not in the RV.
I have all the tooling to ingest information from the various sensors and I'd originally planned on brokering that to HA via MQTT since that's a good fit. I realized that there may be times where I wont be able to get cell coverage. In these cases, I'd like to store the results and upload them later when I do get coverage. MQTT is not meant to store-and-foreward.

This seems like a common problem for remote data gathering in the IOT world, but I'm not finding much in the way of solutions that arent super hacky or some proprietary system.

[forest edge]

using a python script you could write new values to like a txt and then read from that txt when it comes time to send an mqtt

there is no easy means within HA to store and send ondemand in that regard. you would have to just screate a script that does all of that and simply just use HA as the information source/sender etc

[pale chasm]

I'm fine with going around HA as far as the store and forward part. I just didnt know if there was something built-in I could leverage.

[forest edge]

not in the manor you would like.

[pale chasm]

Someone suggested storing the info in an RRD, but as far as I know, that doesnt have any built-in store and foreward functionality.

It would just be a marginally better option that a text file 🙂

[distant junco]

I haven't used it but maybe litestream or things similar to it could be what you're looking for?

[pale chasm]

Hmmm... Could be. I'd not heard of that before. I'll have to check it out. Seems like the connection recovery bit is just a side benefit rather than key functionality, so I'm not sure how robust it is. One way to find out!

[distant junco]

You basically want some kind of replication or (two-way) diff/merge tool for the database I presume.

[pale chasm]

Yeah... Though it would only need to be one-way. No information needs to be synced back to the RV.

[forest edge]

you wanting back log for theft situations? like gps coords?

[pale chasm]

And to see the state of the battery and solar. I have a Renogy system which has a decent data output showing usage, charging, etc.

That was actually my main goal, but it turns out most of the cell modems come with GPS, so that was a bonus 🙂

[forest edge]

how often is this RV out of cell range?

[pale chasm]

depends... The modems arent that good - could be hours, could be days. I figure I wouldnt need to sample more often than every 5 or 10 minutes. Maybe I could even have it sample every 30 minutes unless moving, then scale back to 5 or something like that.

The sensors are all read via Python APIs

[forest edge]

relying on those solar panels keeping that battery up

[pale chasm]

yes... I can shut down the modem entirely when it's not transmitting

So then it'd just be the draw of the Pi... I might even be able to get away with a Pi zero - there's not much heavy processing going on.

HA could be shut down when I'm not present

[forest edge]

ha on a zero is not fun, if that's what you are refering to

[pale chasm]

Ah.. Maybe that lives on a different box.

I'd have to play with how HA interacts with the databases... I could just run an MQTT host on the zero and the ingestor and store-and-forward mechanism. HA could be on a different box, when I'm actually present, it'd start and read from the external MQTT database.

Not sure... I've got the hardware, but the architecture is still in the design phase 🙂

[forest edge]

I have an rpi in a barn with ha that I communicate via cell with. but the barn dosen't move so loss of cell coverage is not an issue lol

[pale chasm]

I'd like to think the 200w solar panels and dual 12v batteries would keep even a Pi4 with a cell modem easily running indefinitely. Even in the Pacific Northwest 🙂

[forest edge]

yea I would imagine. but you don't need a 4 for what your doing

if your pulling data already without using ha, you could probably do it all from a zero

[pale chasm]

Ya... But I'm still back to the 'how to store and forward'. I'll mess with litestream. I dont have a ton of SQLite experience, I guess now's as good a time to learn. I also need to find a way to minimize SD card writes. Maybe a USB thumb drive. Or keep the DB in memory and flush it to disk daily.

[forest edge]

thumbdrive is no better than sdcard

my barn has a samsung endurance card in it, handled all the extreme temps thrown out it so far from over 100F to near 0f so far

[pale chasm]

If it's on a separate drive, at least a death-by-write wont take out the OS.

[dusky plank]

pis can do overlay-fs and also read-only. each will increase your sd card life substantially

[clear ferry]

But I want underlay-fs

And write intensive workloads

[dusky plank]

Then add mounts you can write to

autofs great 👍

[iron granite]

Unlimited dd'ing!

[clear ferry]

[weak kayak]

only just came here to see if theres anything for my anki Vector.... 3 years later 😂

[dusky plank]

🤏

[glacial knot]

dron on dron action 😮

[pale chasm]

I assume you've seen the Dream Labs stuff, the Facebook group and Discord for the Anki Vector?

[weak kayak]

I don't seem to find any valid invitation for the discord group and on Facebook only one group seems to be working but, I don't I'll be getting any answers over there.
In the mean time I've managed to something workable but by far it can be called an integration lol.

[brazen fable]

Goodbye MyQ. This was the last straw

Shelly1 operational, mostly

just waiting for a reed switch to finish the install

Those big jerks

lol

[red rock]

That issue is a clusterfuck lol

[brazen fable]

ikr

[red rock]

Like it really exploded and the about off comments that don't add anything is insane

[brazen fable]

comments? wdym

[red rock]

In the GitHub issue

[brazen fable]

oh i didnt even bother going on github

Saw what happened on reddit and i'm like welp, not again

which is funny because I had already ordered the shelly

i had planned on adding the shelly anyway. This just made me do it faster

[red rock]

Good call

People made a workaround

Nobody bothered to make a PR for the library

People just open the issue

I hAvE tHiS iSsUe AsWeLl

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/axe-lotr-gif-5532799

[brazen fable]

is there a way to have tap action and double tap action control two different entitites?

[scenic radish]

Sounds like a question for #frontend-archived

[steel crag]

and yes

[clever mortar]

Text says England, map also shows pubs in Northern Ireland, Wales, and Scotland

[forest edge]

because its all the same to everyone else in the world

[clear ferry]

aye ya wench, you'll see this here is legal tender

[low harness]

And Isle of Man.

[clear ferry]

isle of person be inclusive please

[red rock]

LOL

[young sigil]

AKA Big Clive's Place.

[low harness]

That's exactly 100% of what I know about the place too.

[forest edge]

https://youtube.com/shorts/udpYS8yy4Mw?si=r-v7NRsDS8ji4eix

they just don't want to spy on your phone anymore

[red rock]

At least way you now know it has a keylogger

otherwise it doesnt work

[solar zealot]

OnePlus made a keyboard?

Hope they put in the switches the right way around so that they don't ghost click and everything overheats when you use the numpad for half a minute

[clear ferry]

I do love my OnePlus 8 pro, but it's time for an upgrade

[solar zealot]

You should consider having this unicorn graded before reselling 😄

[clear ferry]

Reselling? What nonsense

[subtle pasture]

I noped-out on that keyboard almost immediately.

I have a laundry list of issues with it, but suffice it to say, anyone considering the OnePlus keyboard should probably consider the Keychron Q1, which the OnePlus keyboard is based on:
https://www.keychron.com/products/keychron-q1?variant=39898878771289

[red rock]

Keychron is love

[umbral cliff]

Curious what the issues are (haven't even looked into the OnePlus keyboard just curious), apart from the fact it's OnePlus that is

[subtle pasture]

Lots of odd design choices that I don't appreciate. I'm not a fan of non-standard condensed layouts (which this uses), the chrome plaque with a glass nob on it looks tacky/gawdy, it includes per-key RGB lighting but then slaps completely opaque keycaps on them, and then the height adjustment doesn't have any detents or any kind of locking mechanism.

I'm also wary of anything LED backlit, because I'm highly sensitive to the flicker from cheap/slow PWM circuits. The reviews and the spec-sheet don't mention the switching frequency, which often means "we didn't list it because it's not good. Enjoy your keyboard being a strobe light!"

[ocean oar]

Lol, incandescent bulbs did have that one thing going for them. Small hot wire stays hot 😄

[red rock]

But based on, did they copy it or did they rebrand it

[subtle pasture]

Neither, it was made in partnership with Keychron

It has the same PCB inside as the Keychron Q1. The case is custom.

[forest edge]

small keyboards suck in general

num pad or nothing

[subtle pasture]

Yeah, I use my number pad waaaay too much to ditch it

Entering IP addresses, phone numbers, bank card numbers, PIN numbers, etc.

[red rock]

Keychron K4

[umbral cliff]

Your personal identification number numbers? 😛

Sorry being an ass

[red rock]

Don't forget extra keys for shortcuts or for your soundboard

Shus

[tidal bronze]

Do you have any use for num pad?

[solar zealot]

People who don't want a numpad likely overlap with people who don't want a webcam in their notebook

It yields the most important dedicated navigation keybinds

[finite atlas]

i only use my numbpad for keybinds in cheats

[scenic radish]

Numeric keypad is a must for me too. I wanted a Chromebook for a while but never pulled the trigger until the first one with a numeric keypad came out back in 2019

[tidal bronze]

I don't think @forest edge calculates hay bale dimensions on the regular 🤔

[forest edge]

helps me math out when your staaate is going to meet it's demise

[static schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/math-hmm-processing-gif-10273186

[tidal bronze]

Sorry Bubba not going to happen in your lifetime. Pick another state.

[forest edge]

did the ostrich say something?

[tidal bronze]

Didn't notice making meatballs

Wine should be after cooking, note to self

[umbral cliff]

What do you use a Chromebook for

[forest edge]

paperweight

[scenic radish]

Email, interwebs, budgeting, SSH

[clear ferry]

Not porn? For shame

https://tenor.com/view/internet-gif-19865869

[glacial knot]

work at times o.0

my main corp laptop is a proper linux install. but we have a stack of chromebooks in a corner to grab when I need a secondary device

[clear ferry]

My corp device is also Linux, against company policy

There is a loophole if we work in r&d we can run Linux, so I'm just using that excuse

Haven't run the corporate windows nonsense since 2012

And I don't use my Chromebook anymore since my firefly weighs next to nothing

[glacial knot]

corporate windows 😕 that's not been a thing for me. Ever

[umbral cliff]

I've got a corp laptop to do whatever with
And then a work Citrix thing to use for anything else there too.

We got dell xps15s and some people game on them

[glacial knot]

I got a Lenovo Carbon X1

and there's some internal guide for installing steam on the corp linux distribution o.0

[clear ferry]

[dusky plank]

I should order a new corpo laptop

but i don't want to

[upper apex]

Anyone running proxmox?

[glacial knot]

is it a bad thing that I want to ping ATX?

[clear ferry]

[upper apex]

Fixing rebuild most of my self hosted stuff with Promox

on a scale of 1-10... how bad of an idea is it

lol

[clever mortar]

Great option if you need to segregate things or run different operating systems for some reason

Given most self hosted stuff runs under Docker on Linux... that's the route I'd go

[clear ferry]

Mmmm pure docker on linux

With some zfs goodness

[silent dove]

@upper apex I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

[upper apex]

Well thank you lol

I need a True Nas solution as right now im pointing things at each individual HDD.. vs a pool

[clear ferry]

Do you have a multiple of equal disks?

[upper apex]

yeah removing a cluser F of old disks and adding two 22TB tomorrow

so maybe true nas or unraid?

would only being using true nas for its hdd pool/share abilities though

[glacial knot]

lot of peple.
Fixed that for you

[clear ferry]

If you don't have a lot of equal size drives, do zfs

If not, do unraid

[upper apex]

did i say "allot"

[clear ferry]

You can't add single drives later to zfs

[upper apex]

im the worst with that

[glacial knot]

*yet
work on that is now sponsored 😮

[upper apex]

Even if its a matching drive?

[glacial knot]

nope. Not single drives

[upper apex]

super weakkkkk

[glacial knot]

you can add new vdevs, but you want more than a single drive in the vdev

[upper apex]

I was hearing something about vdevs

what is that?

[clear ferry]

Zfs is not for people with "some drives" and less than 64GB ram

A vdev is a grouping of disks, in a pool

3-10 of them and if your first vdev is 5 disks your next needs to be too

[upper apex]

didnt understand this last part

[clear ferry]

Add five drives, then if you want to expand you'll add five more

Adding 10 you need to add 10 more to expand

[upper apex]

Why just never add one at a time then?

[clear ferry]

Then you have no data protection

First drive failure all drive data is lost

[upper apex]

Hmm..

what if im not worried about the data

[clear ferry]

Then, sure, but it makes no sense with zfs

[upper apex]

Its realatively easily replaceable

just a lot of downloading 😉

[clear ferry]

Zfs is not for your usecase

Unraid is

[upper apex]

So ZFS is essentially Raid 1?

[clear ferry]

No

[upper apex]

Mirrors the data?

[clear ferry]

It has things similar to raid, but no

You add multiples of drives, that are each their own "raid" group

That go in the same pool

If one of those raid groups fail, data is gone

[upper apex]

giving you one path correct?

[clear ferry]

One pool, yes

As does unraid

[upper apex]

and yeah data is split up between all drives so if one goes everything goes

hmm

so if I needed 44TB of storage, and wanted ZFS.. I would have to buy two more drives?

or only 22TB of ZFS with what I have now.. 😕

[clear ferry]

Three drives in a raidz1 will give you 2x drive capacity

And if you want to expand in the future you need to add 3x22 drives

[glacial knot]

if it's data that's easy but annoying to get again just use btrfs 😮

[clear ferry]

Don't use btrfs for anything but mirrors

[upper apex]

Its plex data.. put it that way

lol

[clear ferry]

My zfs pool is 20x8TB drives

[upper apex]

so would be annoying to re-find 44tb of data

but wouldnt be the end of the world

so your suggesting unraid

[clear ferry]

For your usecase yes

How much memory do you have?

[upper apex]

72gb on the main machine

[clear ferry]

That'll suffice for zfs, but still for expansion unraid is better

[upper apex]

so I understand unraid runs baremetal.. That same machine has my video card in it I need for transcoding.

should I virtualize unraid?

[clear ferry]

Unraid runs docker containers and vms

Don't virtualize unraid

[upper apex]

ahh so unraid is similar to truenas were you can add other containers?

[clear ferry]

Yes

But unraid has proper docker

[upper apex]

an you add portainer on it?

[clear ferry]

Truenas has a botched Kubernetes thing

[upper apex]

or does unraid have a descent GUI or working with the dockers?

[clear ferry]

Don't use portainer, and unraid has gui container management

[upper apex]

alright frick truenas then

and last question i think

can I pass through a GPU in docker for a plex server?

I know i can with proxmox and truenas

[clear ferry]

Yes

[upper apex]

and we talking acutal docker docker

[clear ferry]

Yes

[upper apex]

or unraids own version of containers

[clear ferry]

No

[upper apex]

alright so lots of support

[clear ferry]

It's just a frontend

[upper apex]

hmm

[dusky plank]

hmmmmmm

[upper apex]

so 100% you suggest installing unraid baremetal

[clear ferry]

For your usecase yes

[upper apex]

any kind of software I can install on the other devices for and has some type of kuberneties/cluster type thing going?

[clear ferry]

[glacial knot]

https://www.talos.dev/ and please report back.

[upper apex]

Proxmox and can add other nodes/servers and interact with them within the same GUI

[clear ferry]

Yeah, I don't use any of these, no idea, I manage my stuff myself

[upper apex]

ahh ok

[glacial knot]

oh, you mean with unraid? I don't think they have that

[upper apex]

aight

with docker..via portainer, right now I spin up a container per app

does it make more sense to spin up one container and add mutiple apps to the same container?

that makes sense?

[glacial knot]

no

[upper apex]

not even sure what they are running, some version of linux?

but each spin up of that opperating system is using a little bit of resources

[glacial knot]

containers are incredibly light on the OS. You'll spend more resources on some kind of process manager in the container than spinning up another container

[upper apex]

haha alright

[glacial knot]

and you just run the chance of some odd bugs with some cobbled together not really process management

[upper apex]

Plex needs to be able to run at full capacity... wonder if it will run poorly via docker

running it on windows atm.

[glacial knot]

sonar/radarr (I use the hotio containers) annoy me because they run s6 and require root to start the container, then drop privileges later
while I just want to have the entire container locked down D:

there can be some difficulties with getting the GPU accessible properly. But once you have that, it'll run essentially as on host

[upper apex]

What about ESXI? Heard of that? Pros/Cons?

[last cedar]

@upper apex free version can be limited, mainly about how backups can be handled, paid version is mega bucks unless you use vmug advantage.

It is however very very stable and runs on any old server hardware flawlessly

[upper apex]

I have some experience with docker… still thinking Unraid is still a great option if not the best

[solar zealot]

Well docker do be quite different

It's closer to lxc than it is to a vm

[glacial knot]

Docker used to use lxc as backend
In the before days

[clear ferry]

I'm a VCAP-DCV if that counts

So I might have heard of esxi

Only worked with it for 16 years though

[clear ferry]

That's 2011 or so isn't it?

[glacial knot]

Into 2014 at least iirc
But yea, a good bit ago

[clear ferry]

Almost the average age of a HAOS user since then

[solar zealot]

Me using docker inside an lxc

[shy comet]

gotta love that the only way to get Apple to get rid of their proprietary crap is to force their hand

[finite atlas]

or you know, vote with your wallet for a product that suits you the best

[forest edge]

it's more messed up that "enough" people continue to "want" to buy into apple products but then want to complain about something to the point to have to "force thier hand".

[shy comet]

eh I kinda think its a good thing the way it went down. Too many devices doing their own thing makes it impossible to keep up with cables. Some of which you cant even simply replace

[forest edge]

imagine what the world would be like now if everyone as oberfail stated, voted with their wallets? there wil always be a replacement for a company and the advancement and talent dosen't come from the compnay, but from the people

[dusky plank]

[shy comet]

they kinda already voted with their wallet lol just may have done it begrudgingly

they were almost forced to adopt RCS surprised they didnt

its not like every single carrier has proper support for it now

[forest edge]

apple is one of those companies that think they are too big to fail. Google is no different really but these products aren't made with your convince in mind, they are made to show just how little the average IQ is and how easy it is to serve shit on a paper plate and make someone pay out of pocket for it lol

[glacial knot]

If either jurisdiction requires it, it's a couple years until its enforced either way
Enough time to get some heads out of the respective asses

[clear ferry]

Afaik we have had it supported on all carriers since 2019

[forest edge]

the game is to find the loophole and keep making people eat crap and those who do it with as little overhead possible wins

while some neat things have come out of the last couple of decades like non vomit inducing VR and electric vehicles that can do over the speed limit and make it to the grocery store and back i'm overall still disappointed with how fast tech is moving

[shy comet]

agreed....EV will be worth it when they figure out how to power trucks and others. Until then if you like to road trip a EV car only slows you down

VR also feels like its in its infancy so excited to see what happens in the next 5-10 years for that

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/virtual-reality-oasis-wade-watts-ready-player-one-ready-player-one-movie-gif-10893788

or bust

[shy comet]

haha just watched that last night

[forest edge]

if VR can get that good then i'll be impressed. but that movie shows a dark side to that tech at the same time lol

[shy comet]

haha yea i dont see us hanging out in VR to see animated versions of ourselves like the movie....the next iteration of video chat will be what most people do

gaming on the other hand.....consoles are going to meet a sudden stop once the masses see what VR gaming is all about

[forest edge]

i wouldn't be so sure. you see how dependent we've come to delivered goods and how lazy our work force is.

putting the final nail in movie theaters and other forms of entertainment that generally got people to leave thier homes is right around the corner. coupled with working from home etc etc

I could easy see most of our pop living most thier lives in VR lol

[glacial knot]

Ehh
VR with just glasses and hand tracking is still constantly breaking the natural input method

And without enough space and some game scripts written for that Space, that's not going to change

Mobile AR (Pokemon go, but no clunky phone) might be the actual game changer

[shy comet]

movie theaters are not gong anywhere....maybe mom and pop and AMC chains etc... what we will see happen is a Disney theater opening up and other theaters alike. Giving a better experience with characters and themes can probably charge more too

not to say i like movie theaters charging more but im thankful we have assigned seating now and no longer need to wait in massive lines and can get food brought to your seat

[shy comet]

yea not sure about that, first person shooters in VR are a game changer

[forest edge]

your optimism is frightning lol

[shy comet]

nothing like being able to peak around a corner or duck and point your arm etc...

[shy comet]

movie theaters are cash cows if good movies are flowing in

[forest edge]

it's all activities that get people out of thier homes, is mainly what I want pointing at

we have discussion in this server already about how little we see kids play outside.. it all kind of falls in line with where we are already moving towards

[shy comet]

thats the inflation impact though lol

[forest edge]

is it? or maybe inflation just killed off the little percentage still holding on

[shy comet]

dude if we had gaming to the level kids have now where you can make like $15k a month im sure we would also be in the same boat

gaming is a sport now

wasnt one in the 80s

kids are now running off starting businesses lol

[forest edge]

we kind of did with some esports. now instead of being a select few anyone can make gaming a career lol

making money while playing games has been a thing since pacman etc

[shy comet]

cnat hate man....most parents now a days would rather their kids play video games than stare at YouTube

[forest edge]

I don't see much of a diffrence there

the only benifit games have is it's not some asshat around same age doing something illegal

[shy comet]

one allows kids to exercise logic and reason the other they just stare at with a blank face

strategizing and communicating is also essential life skills

[forest edge]

have you been to a fast food joint lately? they develop that blank face regardless lmao

[shy comet]

only in the drive thru, i dont go in unless i need to pee lol

[forest edge]

i am not as optimistic as you. If I was younger I would probably legitimately fear what may happen in 20-30 years from now lol

[tidal bronze]

Why you calling @forest edge names? So he should stop staring at youtube ?

You will deprive him of his primary source of news.

[forest edge]

speaking of citizens from a state that has gone stagnant

[tidal bronze]

One-day when you get on that greyhound and come down here

[forest edge]

I can eat at the very exact same place we have here? oh exciting!

[tidal bronze]

Nopes

[forest edge]

it's like in and out.. but diffrent..

[tidal bronze]

Exactly, it will never be In N Out

[forest edge]

the added sand in my burger is what gives it that exotic taste

[orchid rose]

those are some cheap burgers, gimme

[forest edge]

you don't want it. the beef is old and the sand is plentiful

[orchid rose]

but I kinda do

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/well-well-well-dim-clockwork-orange-interesting-what-do-we-have-here-gif-23181414

[tidal bronze]

Shame that you haven't had one. You haven't lived in the states till you've had that animal style.

[forest edge]

animal style? you refering to the crunch of your burger where it taste like eating broken glass from the sand?

https://tenor.com/view/eeat-glass-eat-what-mouhahaha-glass-gif-16488547

[forest edge]

I really wish the shelly stuff was more available in and for the US. those products have been bar none the best I have ever had in terms of smart home stuff

[steel crag]

there's lots of stuff outside misery

[forest edge]

lots of hot trash

[red rock]

My best friend and her boyfriend bought a house

And I was messaging with him about what stuff to buy for making stuff smart

And at some point she was like

I have one thing I am worried about, he really wants to make stuff smart

And I was like, look, I will probably be more enthusiast about making everything smart than him

[forest edge]

gotta be kind of selective otherwise you end up spending more time "messing" with such devices than actually just turning on a light and going about your buisness etc

[red rock]

but messing with it is part of the hobby

[forest edge]

i get that, and it's fun to a degree.. but life is short and there are plenty of other things to do

[red rock]

honestly, I love playing with it

Like, it needs to work when I need it

but tinkering around with stuff is beautiful

[shy comet]

theres no turning back from an animal style burger and fries lol

@tidal bronze you ever do a custom order? like 3x3 or 4x4 lol?

[tidal bronze]

Always. Now flying Dutchman

[shy comet]

the largest order ive ever seen was a 10x10

filled their entire "eat in the car" container

[tidal bronze]

Wish they served almond flour buns

[shy comet]

i wish they upped their drink game...still hit up a Sonic anytime im near one just to get that cherry limeade lol

[tidal bronze]

I don't have that issue anymore. Stopped drinking soda few years ago.

Wish they served wine there. Will be daily lol

[shy comet]

do they have a cork fee?

[forest edge]

this made me lol irl

sir, could you make my food taste less good?

[red rock]

They serve beer in Belgian McDonald's

[winged obsidian]

Make sure that animal is with chilis and "fries well," for the extra crispiness.

[forest edge]

they actually only eat petri dish grown meat in california so it wouldn't make much diffrence

[winged obsidian]

I usually get In n Out to go specifically because I want beer too.

[tidal bronze]

Beer!? Not usable

Beer would only make sense in a michelada while having some Cajun crab.

[shy comet]

i live less than 5 min away from one so i always opt to go home, burger is still hot by the time i get home

[tidal bronze]

Now we are talking.

[shy comet]

thats the main thing, burger needs to be hot

the best is when you leave the drive thru, park and start eating when your on the road

[forest edge]

just cook your own at home

[tidal bronze]

Hot with loads of pepperoncini

[shy comet]

i do and their delicious but not the same as in n out...even if you try to make the spread hard to replicate

even if you have spread its not the same

[tidal bronze]

Yes sir. Can't replicate the spread

[forest edge]

just means your cleaning your grill/pan too often

the flavor comes from all the previous burgers cooked before it

[tidal bronze]

It's thousand island, sriracha, x, y, z

[winged obsidian]

The Misery Petri Dish, they call it

[shy comet]

really you taste sriracha in there??

[tidal bronze]

Yep

[forest edge]

we are one of the top 3 beef states. you got good chance your eating meat i spit on lol

[shy comet]

all our cows are mid state off the 5

[tidal bronze]

Lmao. @forest edge is thinking too much. You should've let him feel important for once

[shy comet]

you always know your driving by them when you forget to switch the air to circulate

[forest edge]

california isn't even in the top 10 for beef

surprise you even see cows there lol

[shy comet]

outside of LA and SF it can at times feel like a different state for sure

[winged obsidian]

Is spitting on meat a favorite pastime?

[forest edge]

only when the export sticker has a CA on it

[tidal bronze]

Well what else to do in Missouri?

Well other than watching news from NY and CA 🤣

[shy comet]

our news is 🍿 material...even moreso with these crazy smash and grab robbers

[forest edge]

it's ok, i'll just keep my smile knowing quad has a 1 in 3000 chance of ingesting some cow poop I scrapped off my boot when he goes to in and out lol

[tidal bronze]

@forest edge show me your cows

[shy comet]

cant believe they used bear spray on security on the one in glendale tahts crazy

[forest edge]

see how that texas pie keeps getting bigger?

everytime you post some chart that texas pie just keeps getting bigger and bigger lol

[tidal bronze]

Once again, you missed that class in high school that taught you your trillions

[forest edge]

maybe it's linked to you trying to brag

post more and faster, lets see if we can watch california dip to second place together lol

[tidal bronze]

Can brag all day Bubba got the charts to show it. I am waiting for your top 10 cow chart?

[forest edge]

look it up, you think california is leading in the beef?

oh wait, of course you auto assume that

and wrong as usual lol

[tidal bronze]

Why lead with one when you can lead

[shy comet]

when you have the best pot and wine on earth you kinda get to assume you lead in most things lol

[tidal bronze]

Yes sir.

[forest edge]

can't hear you from 7th place https://wisevoter.com/state-rankings/beef-production-by-state/

[tidal bronze]

Too drunk to click links. Post charts.

[forest edge]

thats ok, if you can't click a link you can't understand a chart either lol

[tidal bronze]

I can distinguish sizes

Come on playa time to show up

[forest edge]

shh

let him see it

[winged obsidian]

Are the Misery cattle sick or something?

[tidal bronze]

You into edibles?

[shy comet]

yup 🙂

[forest edge]

there is your chart

[shy comet]

this bit of news the other day caught me by surprise https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-09-07/california-magic-mushrooms-psychedelics-scott-wiener-psilocybin

[tidal bronze]

@forest edge number 3 right on.

[winged obsidian]

Asking because by # of cattle it's MO #3 and CA #15, but the chart @forest edge just shared says by value CA is #7 and MO is #9.

[tidal bronze]

Can't wait

[winged obsidian]

This chart: https://beef2live.com/story-states-produce-cattle-value-124-107253

[tidal bronze]

Yikes

@shy comet just imagine the good shrooms going retail 🤣

[forest edge]

yea that first link wasn't what I meant to post, it was replaced the spot when i copied the link on the search

[shy comet]

does this mean the definition of california sober is about to change?

[winged obsidian]

https://i.imgflip.com/1a1z9w.jpg

[tidal bronze]

Dude come on now @forest edge you don't know where missouri stands in the cow game?

Only game in town right?

[tidal bronze]

Were we ever?

It's easier when the thermostat flies to you right?

[shy comet]

california sober? always but it never included shrooms lol

[tidal bronze]

Shit's about to get "real"

[finite atlas]

smart cow

[scarlet dew]

Soo... lawnmowers.... anyone have a recommendation for a compatible one with Home Assistant that you're happy with?

😊

[prisma briar]

Most lawnmowers are compatible with all yards, actually.

[scarlet dew]

hahaha

fine fine. edited

[ocean oar]

Our garden has an un-fenced stream at the bottom. Gonna say that ones that pretend they can get by with GPS and computer vision are not compatible with mine. Ones with a boundary wire would be fine.

[clear ferry]

You just bury the boundary wire, pretty common, I haven't seen them ever implemented without them, most Norwegian gardens have a cliff or river or potato field or strawberry field or some kind of raised Terrance

I think the newest ones even can make virtual boundary wires

Like the roborock

[ocean oar]

Yeah, it's the "virtual" one I don't trust. Physical cable-with-power-flowing-through that defines a hard outer limit, that is definitely the smart choice

[clear ferry]

Also greetings from Norway

[ocean oar]

Weather looks nice 🙂

[clear ferry]

Winter is coming, was 7c this morning, love it when the car heats itself

[ocean oar]

Other side of the world, it's just starting to get warm here. Finally switched to wearing shorts

[clear ferry]

Put it on the Barbie?

[ocean oar]

Next door to. I would say "always blow on the pie" but that is a VERY specific reference that people are absolutely not going to get outside of NZ

[clear ferry]

Oh I've been to NZ

Lived there for a month when I was 11

[ocean oar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEAHLFvD3v4

[clear ferry]

And no I haven't heard that one before

[ocean oar]

😄

So Police Ten-Seven is one of those shows that follows the Police around on patrol, that is one of the more famous segments

I can say too, I have been to Norway. But for 4 days / 3 nights, on holiday

[clear ferry]

Twinsies

I stayed at a summer camp for kids, no parents, lived around Hamilton I believe

30 or so different nations

[dusky plank]

I migrated HA from my trusty Pi 4 to a proper server today