the-water-cooler

[late gate]

I dont think people understand how frustrating it in to go on a long rant of things todo

with not a clear path

[subtle pasture]

It can, but it runs better if you boot into Windows rather than SteamOS

[primal laurel]

at 60 FPS nonetheless

[late gate]

nice

[solar zealot]

ew windows on a console

what is this, a cash register

[primal laurel]

nonononono, we dont do that here

[subtle pasture]

It's a tablet PC with a gamepad glued to it. lol

[solar zealot]

its surprisingly good

[glacial knot]

it's not an XBox o.0

[subtle pasture]

The Xbox also runs Windows (The Xbox's OS is built from Windows 10's branch of WinMain)

[solar zealot]

do people actually buy those

eh probably, they wouldnt exist otherwise

[subtle pasture]

Also seems like SteamOS still can't launch the original Crysis at all. You have to run the Remastered version (which is a separate purchase, even if you own the original)

[glacial knot]

well, "windows". I think it's most of NT, but a lot of the userspace stuff is different

[subtle pasture]

So you basically have to boot into Windows if you want to run the original Crysis 🤷‍♀️

[primal laurel]

that's fine, the original crysis was one of the worst optimized games of all time (which basically started the whole meme)

[solar zealot]

open an issue with proton :^)

[subtle pasture]

Eh, more like hardware wasn't optimized for the demands Crysis could dish out. If you ran it in DX9 mode (which is what hardware at time-of-release was highly competant at running) it actually ran pretty great.

DX10 mode introduced a lot of new effects, and Crysis launched into the frey of first-generation DX10 hardware. Not a great combination.

[glacial knot]

Also one of the best looking at the time

[primal laurel]

I couldn't really tell due to the constant stutters, but that was many years ago

anyway, there is no chance in hell I am ever going to run windows on this thing

[glacial knot]

I never played it when it was new. When I finally got hadware that could run crysis it was still the prettiest game I ever played though 🤷

[solar zealot]

sounds like people here aged well

[subtle pasture]

Looks like part of the reason Crysis doesn't work on SteamOS, but Crysis Remastered does, is because Remastered supports DirectX12 (which translates very well to Vulkan)

The Vulkan wrapper for DX10 (which is what the original Crysis wants to default to) isn't nearly as compatible or efficient

[glacial knot]

yea, if only intel wasn't dicks and upstreamed their patches to DXVK

[primal laurel]

Still waiting for my 1TB SSD though

[steel crag]

every Xbox has run some kind of windows

[subtle pasture]

The original Xbox is a bit of a weird edge case, actually. If you aren't running a game, it's running a highly modified Windows 2000. The moment you start a game, the game takes over the hardware wholesale, kicking the OS out of memory completely.

[steel crag]

yeah Crysis I think the only game I was very hyped for and then very disappointed

[steel crag]

I'm aware I have 12 of them

I built my own EEPROM reader so I could just burn hdd's for em without bothering to softmod

[subtle pasture]

Just saying, if you have a game in the DVD-ROM drive and boot directly to the game disk, Windows never loads on the original Xbox

[primal laurel]

I though the original Xbox was based on windows NT

[subtle pasture]

Windows NT 5.0 (aka WIndows 2000)

The original Xbox's dashboard is Windows, but games don't run on top of the dashboard, they reboot the console and run directly on the hardware.

[late gate]

do any of you use logging (loki, ES, splunk, graylog etc) and monitors (zabbix, checkmk, LibreNMS etc) and what is best for your usecase?

[steel crag]

although very very stripped down

[steel crag]

used to use cacti many moons ago

[glacial knot]

They also have a feature to reboot back into the game. Which apparently was often used as crash handler when they ran OOM during some loading screen

[steel crag]

I need to buy a box of hdd's and get these damn xboxes out of my house

[forest edge]

are any of you even old enough to have played the original xbox?

[subtle pasture]

Yes, lol

[forest edge]

i went the ps route, but my cousin went the xbox route

[subtle pasture]

We had a PS2 and an original Xbox. The PS2 got a lot more play.

The Xbox was mostly used to play Halo, honestly

[static schooner]

I got an original Xbox just for XBMC

[forest edge]

the original halo on the first xbox was always the best

[subtle pasture]

I did play the shit out of Simpsons Hit and Run on the Xbox, though

[forest edge]

xbox in general was kind of shit compared to the ps back in those days, as for game selection etc

[subtle pasture]

XBMC was great until video formats started outpacing what the hardware could handle

The Xbox could technically push 1080i, but good luck decoding video at that resolution

[forest edge]

ps also allowed local lan of sorts to coop on diffrent tv's

which ws neat

at the time

[subtle pasture]

Yeah, the Xbox also did that. "System Link"

You could do multiplayer, multi-Xbox Halo matches using system link before Xbox Live even launched

[forest edge]

yea but the originl xbox was like early 2000's.. ps coined that in the mid 90's

that cable that linked two ps's together was not easy nor cheap to get ahold of either

[subtle pasture]

Eh? The PS2 and the xbox both launched in the early 00's

[forest edge]

i was refering to playstation.. as in the very first one lol

[subtle pasture]

Ah, the original PS1 link cable

[late gate]

Is it possible to spin down the fans in enterprise stuff like an UPS. Its so noisy I can hear it though a door. would it be an impossible job to restrict or change the fans?

[subtle pasture]

Strictly speaking, I think the first console to have a link cable was the SNES...

[forest edge]

i have every ps model here in boxes side from the ps5

[subtle pasture]

If you count running two GameBoy games in two SuperGameboy SNES cartridges (the SuperGameboy Rev2 had a link cable port)

[forest edge]

no? t least not the american model

[glacial knot]

SNES had the sat uplink toy

[subtle pasture]

Had to be a 2nd revision to have the link cable port + proper clockspeed. The original lacks a link cable port and runs games too fast.

[forest edge]

h

ah

yea i only had the original. don't think i even ever seen any revisions

[subtle pasture]

There's a hardware mod for the original SuperGameboy that fixes the clockspeed and optionally adds the missing link cable port

[forest edge]

i would still have it too if some ex of mine hadn't stolen it

[solar zealot]

could some of you help me understand some ldap relationship?
I can disable anonymous bind but that will not prevent anonymous access to the directory unless i also require auth
Except for that it might as unauthenticated bind is disabled by default?

[forest edge]

some of that gameboy stuff didn't come out till after most of the world moved on from those devices

some reason euros love to dwell on older tech and thus the demand remined high enough for the aftermarket mod stuff to come out

[subtle pasture]

Heh, you're not wrong, the SuperGameboy 2 came out 4 years after the PS1 launched O.o

Older host console + newer accessory. Weird.

Annoyingly, the SuperGameboy2 is probably still one of the best official ways to play GB/GBC games on the big screen.

[forest edge]

first and only handheld i ever bought was the ps1

[primal laurel]

My whole neighborhood had halo 1/2 on the original Xbox, we used to play lan parties all the time

[subtle pasture]

PS1... handheld?

[forest edge]

nice.. i never did manage to do any kind of lan party on any of those systems

[forest edge]

the vita.. but the first iteration wasn't called the vita

it's jkust ps1

[subtle pasture]

You mean the PSP?

[forest edge]

nm, the casde for it says ps1

psp

yes thats it

[subtle pasture]

Sony also launched a miniature version of the original PlayStation called the "PSOne", which had an optional LCD screen add-on:

[forest edge]

ws even wrong what was on the case lol

[subtle pasture]

Not quite portable, but close. lol

[forest edge]

ws very portable

even could wireless coop

[subtle pasture]

I was talking about the PSOne not being portable. The PSP absolutely was portable. lol

[forest edge]

is it strange i have all this old tech within almost arms reach? lol

[subtle pasture]

Nah, I have a Commodore Amiga in the other room

[forest edge]

i dunno why i had ps1 in the brain

[subtle pasture]

I got my childhood GBA out the other day to look into modding it, and found several old handhelds

Including this little guy, which apparently has persistent memory...

Batteries have been dead for 22+ years. Popped fresh ones in, and it picked right back up where I left off O.o

[forest edge]

i would still have my old pong console, atari, nes and super nintendo had i been more mature back in those days

i even sold my gamecube and n64

[subtle pasture]

Gotta love a Digivice having better save game storage than a Pokemon Gold/Silver/Crystal cartridge

[forest edge]

i had one those. didn't look like that

hatachi or i don't remember the name

[subtle pasture]

There were several generations of them, and re-releases

This is an original Gen1 from 1999

[forest edge]

you had to like feed it and pay attention to it

[subtle pasture]

It has a step-counter in it, too

[forest edge]

it got annoying pretty quick lol

[subtle pasture]

The idea was you'd put in on your belt and walk around, and it'd beep like crazy when you had "walked" to the next in-game objective

[forest edge]

yea wht i had was not that dvanaced

[subtle pasture]

Real-world random battles

[forest edge]

wtf my a key is randomly not working

[subtle pasture]

You sure yours wasn't just a neopet?

[forest edge]

was gochi? hatachi? oir was something like tht

was a dino looking thing

[subtle pasture]

Digivices all have a two-pin link connector on the top so you could meet up with other people and battle your digimon head-to-head

[forest edge]

i can't find the one i remember having

again, what i had was probably the very first one

only remember having to feed it and then pay attention to it

it quickly ended up in a drawer lol

everything was neon cler plastic back then too..

that was all the rage in those days

crazy how the xbox 360 controller is still the most sought after controller for pc games

[subtle pasture]

It kinda "just works" with everything

[forest edge]

the newer one's didn't need the dongle to connect tho

[subtle pasture]

PC games usually share a codebase with their Xbox counterpats, so all the gamepad integration is already tuned for either an Xbox 360 or Xbox One gamepad

I went with an 8BitDo Ultimate, which is basically a Xbox One gamepad clone

Has some extra features, and hall effect thumbsticks, which are impervious to stick drift

[forest edge]

i saw those in vintage stock the other day when i went looking. wasn't sure if they were wireless

they were like 130 or something

[subtle pasture]

The Ultimate is wireless. It includes a 2.4 GHz wireless adapter in the charging base, but it also supports bluetooth

[forest edge]

thought about the razer one but mostly because the guts of the joystick can be replaced to deal with future drift issues

[subtle pasture]

Just get a gamepad with hall effect sensors. They literally never wear out and can't drift

[forest edge]

sounds expensive.. wasn't some of the one or x ones that way?

the razer one was already like 150

it was 60 for a brand new xbox one controller and 30 for a used xbox 360 controller lol

everything else went over the 100 mark

[subtle pasture]

None of Microsoft's official gamepads use hall effect. It's not expensive to implement, it's just not common 🤷‍♀️

The Dreamcast and Sega Saturn both used hall effect sensors for their thumsticks

The only reason I can think of not to use hall effect is because you expect other parts of the controller to fail before a potentiometer-based thumbstick does.

But given how the thumbsticks seem to be the very first thing to go on a lot of gamepads, it seems like a no-brainer to use more-resilliant tech

[forest edge]

https://www.amazon.com/KingKong-Wireless-Controller-Nintendo-Switch-Bluetooth/dp/B09QJN8ZD9?th=1

not bad, good call

[subtle pasture]

I've heard good things about that gamepad. I almost got it instead of the 8BitDo Ultimate

[forest edge]

well in a way the 8bit one is a better buy, atleast through amazon

it comes with the charging dock at the same price

[subtle pasture]

It's worth mentioning that, if you're planning on using the gamepad with an Xbox, the KingKong 2 Pro only works wired. The 8BitDo Ultimate works wireless (but requires that you connect the included 2.4 GHz USB dongle to the Xbox)

[forest edge]

nah i'm done with consoles.. still using my xbox360 for pc games but got bad drift going on now

[subtle pasture]

That said, the dongle is inside the charging cradle (can be removed), so if you're already plugging the charging cradle into your xbox, you won't even notice the add-on

[forest edge]

https://youtu.be/cqkrkeAs4Lo

[subtle pasture]

Well, that's handy. lol

[forest edge]

is a good video to show the diffrences

[subtle pasture]

I'm curious what the alternative input modes on the KingKong do. I've used the 8BitDo Ultimate with my Switch, PC, and Android phone, and it worked fine

I'm guessing there's an edge case somewhere that the KingKong might handle better

[forest edge]

the one thing i like about my xbox controller is the fact the battery is replaceable

the controller would be unusable at this point for as long as i have had this controller

[subtle pasture]

Yeah, and even Xbox One gamepads (aside from the Ultimate) still have that going for them

The reason why is actually kinda funny... Microsoft has an agreement with Duracell

They're contractually obligated to offer gamepads with replaceable batteries

[steel crag]

I played on the Atari when it was still new

[prisma briar]

I have like 7 original Xboxes

Oldest console I played new was the genesis

[steel crag]

Netham : https://discordapp.com/channels/330944238910963714/397426163649216512/1140719391621779597

[prisma briar]

Nice.

I bought a couple lots of broken ones on eBay a few years ago and fixed up what I could.

[steel crag]

yeah I mostly bought em at yard sales etc for parts

I think I hacked at least half of them for sure

[prisma briar]

All of mine are TSOP'd or chipped

[steel crag]

I did read all the EEPROM's too

I made my own EEPROM reader because lazy

zener diodes and some 1K resistors IIRC

[prisma briar]

I pop mine open, bridge the write pin on the BIOS, boot splinter cell, move to x-blast OS, and flash evox m8+.

[steel crag]

I just premade the hard drives once I had the hdd lock key

[prisma briar]

tsop mod will boot an unlocked drive

[steel crag]

cuz I got tired of borrowing my buddies splinter cell

[steel crag]

oh I know 😄

I had a machine specifically to make xbox hdds

it was much easier to just build a stack of hdd's then lock em

at least for me

[prisma briar]

If not for the time it takes to attach an eeprom reader I'd probably agree

I have a ton of old consoles. I think I have 13 hooked up right now

[steel crag]

I have it so I just touch the pins to the header

so literally like 2 second hook up

[steel crag]

I have the xboxes, a ps1, an atari and a NES

I think I have my old gameboy too actually

[prisma briar]

I have Genesis/SNES/PS1/N64/Dreamcast/PS2/Xbox/PS3/Xbox 360/Wii U/Xbox One/Switch/Series S/PS5 hooked up, and a couple wiis and a bunch of Xboxes in storage

I have a GBC/GBA/PSP/DSi XL/New 3DS XL for handheld

[steel crag]

oh I forgot about the DS

is that a Nokia N800 on the right of the second shelf down, right side?

[prisma briar]

No, that's a 'New 3DS XL'

(Yea, Nintendo literally put 'New' in a product name)

[steel crag]

lmfao

I also have a Halo special edition Xbox

😄

that's a v1.6 right?

[prisma briar]

Pretty sure I have a 1.4 in mine, that was non-functional when I got it and I swapped the board.

I had to tape over the extra post so it didn't short out

[steel crag]

oh word? I thought they only came with 1.6

either way I have every rev board in my house LOL

[prisma briar]

I think it did, but the board that came with mine was dead

[steel crag]

ahhh gotcha

[prisma briar]

And I put a 1.4 in

[forest edge]

which one? my pong console was the first then i had a 2600. i never gotten any of the others after that

[steel crag]

the 2600 was ours but I played on the pong console too

I still have our 2600 but I don't think I have any cables left

[prisma briar]

I had a 2600 as a kid but it was long past it's retail date at that point

[forest edge]

good you kept it. wish I had kept mine

[steel crag]

well I say 'our' but my brothers don't know I still have it muhuhahaha

the joys of getting everyones hand me down shit as a little brother.... is you get to keep it

[prisma briar]

My 2600 crapped out on me and I was a kid who had no idea how to repair things

[steel crag]

if we let my brother 'fix' it it definitly wouldn't work

[forest edge]

https://youtu.be/v8L5X4LAPYg

[prisma briar]

Mine just quit turning on. I opened it up and looked for anything obvious but I was like 8.

Probably was just a bad cap or something

[forest edge]

I don't fully remember what the fate of mine was. nor do i remember what happened to my nes. i only remember the snes cause a fucking ex stole it lol

[prisma briar]

I had an NES as a kid too, sold it along with a bunch of other stuff in my early 20s for rent money.

And just never cared to buy one back again

[forest edge]

I had the robot, the gun even powerglove lol

[steel crag]

I had an ex move in "why do you have a rice cooker? it's so uneeded, what a waste of money" who then stole it when she moved out

[forest edge]

the powerglove ws such shit

[prisma briar]

The robot was a pretty stupid gimmick too

[steel crag]

we had the gun, the glove and the track and field pad

[forest edge]

buddy had the track and field thing, i never hd tht

[steel crag]

well I come from a LARGE family, I'm one of 7 kids and I have hundreds of cousins

so we had it setup in the big house on the farm and all the kids would compete in track and field at night 😄

we also learned that we could break the entire game by sitting on the edge of the bed when doing long jump and raising your feet up for more than 5 mins

[forest edge]

lol

[prisma briar]

I have a non-Halo green one I got on eBay, and a clear one in a ghost shell.

The non-Halo green one was an odd find, those weren't released in the US and I tracked it's origin down to Singapore, it was the only country that used ntsc-j and a UK-style plug I could find.

But it was shipped to me from Oregon, and worked fine on arrival.

Once I swapped it's PSU with a 120v PSU at least

For the gem I sanded the paint off of a normal gem and filled the 'XBOX' text with glow in the dark acrylic paint. I have a couple UV LEDs below it that cause the Xbox text to glow.

[steel crag]

man I'd consider stealing that it's so nice

I wonder if my buddies CNC machine could... you know what NO

lol

[prisma briar]

You can still find the ghost shells but they haven't made them in a long time and stock is running out so they're not $30 anymore

They're also getting brittle with age

You have to stop screwing it on before any resistance is given level brittle

Also the transparent DVD drive cover is only compatible with Thompson drives, which are generally regarded as the worst. I had a decent working one on hand though.

[umbral cliff]

Singapore is PAL not NTSC

Or at least was back then

[prisma briar]

Xbox was ntsc-j in singapore

idk what was standard there but the xbox was ntsc-j there.

[umbral cliff]

That is very weird. Singapore used PAL for broadcast tv

If it was Asia using NTSC-J for Xbox then Hong Kong is another country that could've been included there

[prisma briar]

Hong Kong xboxes were pal

(I looked all this up when identifying where mine was from)

[umbral cliff]

Now that's just weird. Singapore and Hong Kong and Malaysia are usually part of the same release group

[prisma briar]

Though the Hong Kong ones also had more relaxed region locking

Oh, I guess Hong Kong xboxes were NTSC-J too

It's hard to find concrete information on this stuff, most of what I can find is forum posts.

Can literally find pages saying those regions took NTSC or PAL authoritatively

[umbral cliff]

The Singapore grid is 50hz which is what pal was mainly for, and NTSC for 60hz

[prisma briar]

I can't find anything saying that these are PAL and when I got it it came with a UK-style cable and was coded for NTSC-J in the eeprom

[umbral cliff]

Weird

Hmm middle east maybe? @prisma briar

[prisma briar]

THe manual it came with was Singapore/HK/Korea

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/LskAAOSwTXhiBpSM/s-l2400.webp

[umbral cliff]

Those manuals look like they could be for Japanese/ china/ any English language region

[prisma briar]

It's korean/chinese/english on them, I think they all had english

[glacial knot]

That's Korean/Chinese. No Japanese on there

[prisma briar]

Most japanese would be able to read the chinese fine though

[glacial knot]

same as most Germans could decipher dutch. You still wouldn't use that manual 😂

[prisma briar]

Not really, it's a formal official character set in Japanese.

[glacial knot]

that's like saying anyone that speaks English should be able to read French due to the same alphabet 😂

[prisma briar]

No, it's not.

Each character in Kanji means a word, they're the same across China and Japan.

It's literally the furthest you could get from a latin character set

[glacial knot]

ahh, yes https://jisho.org/search/自動販売機 https://www.mdbg.net/chinese/dictionary?page=worddict&wdrst=0&wdqb=vending+machine
clearly they are entirely equivalent

The english/french is a bit far (though also slightly fitting, since it's about imported words that remain similar), but if you think it's any better than dutch/German you have no idea what you are talking about

written Chinese is mostly decipherable from Japanese knowledge, but trying to just read it as Japanese makes absolutely no sense

[prisma briar]

I don't speak either of them but have been told by multiple Japanese people they can read Chinese just fine.

[glacial knot]

especially around tech, where Japan mostly uses English (or sometimes German) imported words

[prisma briar]

Kanji is it's own language, of course trying to read it as Japanese makes no sense

[glacial knot]

I speak Japanese 😛

no, just stop

[prisma briar]

Doubt.

[glacial knot]

you have no idea what you are talking about

[prisma briar]

You fucking identified Korean as Japanese, man.

Shove it.

[glacial knot]

are you dumb?

[prisma briar]

You clearly are.

[glacial knot]

Cal even has another fucking colour. And not even close in shape of the nickname. And I suspect an entirely different PFP
How in the flying fuck do you confuse us?

[prisma briar]

Lel, oops

[glacial knot]

and again, you have no fucking idea what you are talking about

[prisma briar]

Literally all I said was Japanese people can read Chinese writing fine. Which is true.

You even agreed to it.

[glacial knot]

being able to read (i.e. intelligible) is far from being same enough to be reasonable on a product that takes itself serious

[prisma briar]

Never disputed it, it's pretty obvious that a Japanese-localized product would be in Hiragana. All I said was they could probably read it too.

[glacial knot]

you claimed that they are literally the same

And that chinese would be a valid official writing 😂

[prisma briar]

Then you started whining about it being French vs Dutch which is complete bullshit

[glacial knot]

Dutch and German is even closer 😂

And French and English has similar relationships

[prisma briar]

Sorry, I didn't feel like going into the specifics of "They're mostly the same but have drifted apart over a few centuries but are still close enough to be read and understood fine by either population," largely because that's pedantic bullshit nobody cares about.

[umbral cliff]

Whoopsie

I am normally good at that

[prisma briar]

The US and UK get different localizations because wording sounds funny between the two, doesn't mean they're not both English. Just varying dialects of it. Everything I've ever heard, including the Japanese classes I've taken, has said that Kanji and traditional Chinese were about on the same level of variance.

You're literally the first person I've ever heard claim that they're wildly divergent -- and everything I can find now indicates that they're actually really damn close and you had no idea what you were talking about when you said they were like French vs English.

[forest edge]

ikea manuals are weird

[glacial knot]

I tend to confuse Thai and Hebrew at times, since I never looked into them too much

[clear ferry]

何

[winged obsidian]

What a goofy conversation about Japanese and Chinese languages. Japanese uses a system that includes hiragana, katakana and kanji. Hiragana is phonetic. Katakana can be considered as very roughly an italic form of hiragana, and is used mostly to render foreign words. About 2,000 kanji are used widely and are considered the minimum for general literacy, but 3-10,000 are also used. Borrowed kanji may be used either for common meaning of the symbol or be#cause it’s sound-alike for the Japanese word. This article describes it better than I can: https://www.nippon.com/en/japan-topics/b05607/shared-sounds-kanji’s-patterns-of-pronunciation.html

A Japanese person who says they can read kanji just fine may be referring to knowing the kanji used in Japanese. It may give clues when faced with a wall of Chinese text, so they might get the gist of it, but “read it just fine” would be an exaggeration.

[glacial knot]

Katakana as italized hiragana
I don't think I heard that categorization before.
But it does mostly make sense

[clear ferry]

To some extent

[winged obsidian]

Credit for that comparison goes to my Japanese teacher. I learned the basics of the language. It has been a while.

[clear ferry]

そうですか

my writing is horrible

my pronouciation is better

My wife even congratulated me the other day when I was reading the opening title of a One Piece episode

[winged obsidian]

lol, my writing was so, so bad. I remember the first time my instructor saw my writing in English and said that explains why your Japanese writing is so bad

[glacial knot]

My japanese handwriting is better than latin script
Learning it at a point where I put personal conscious effort in helps

But I've also not written any in a couple years
Computers are nice

[winged obsidian]

Typing was one of the most useful classes I took in high school.

The iPad I’m using to type this has a pencil stuck to the side. It has turned out to be a complete waste. I use the keyboard.

[strong forge]

My partner is Hong Kong Chinese and speaks English with a fluent, somewhat Australian, accent. People remark that her “English is very good”; I said next time that happens she needs to reply with “so is yours!”

[glacial knot]

My tablet has a pen
I think I used it twice

[winged obsidian]

My wife can read my writing. I can’t,

[clear ferry]

I prefer not to write

I could have been a doctor

now I just work less and earn more than a doctor

[winged obsidian]

This is the way

[glacial knot]

Yea, unless I know someone is trying to learn a language I know better, I don't care about how they speak

English is a hodgepodge lowest common denominator bastardized language either way

[clear ferry]

Most people who have heard me speak english tend to remark I have no accent at all

as in

no accent of any kind

they have no idea where I come from

[winged obsidian]

Linguists say that a language is nothing more than a dialect with a government

[clear ferry]

or if I'm speaking British or American style, because it just sounds somewhere inbetween

[prisma briar]

That's called a trans-atlantic accent

Used to be really common in movies

[clear ferry]

I identify as a non-american

So you mean I sound like Vincent Price

I approve

[winged obsidian]

American Broadcast English is about the closest to being considered “no accent.” The power of media

[clear ferry]

Yes it's me Walter Cronkite

[prisma briar]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mid-Atlantic_accent Generally people have to purposefully learn it because it's not 'native' to either the US or UK, it's an intentional hybrid.

[winged obsidian]

Some of those old movies IMO come across as very pretentious because of it

I have a very deep voice that throws people trying to place me

Definitely American though. No mistaking that.

[glacial knot]

Like the region in Germany claiming to not have a dialect because they speak a fabricated variant

[clear ferry]

I have a collegue that has such a deep voice I had to turn down the bass in my car when I joined meeting with him before

[winged obsidian]

I’ve been compared to Kissinger. Not my favorite comparison

[winged obsidian]

But it’s helpful if I want my voice to cut through a crowd. That and having played low brass for.a long time and having the training to use my diaphragm

[prisma briar]

Huh, Kissinger hit 100 years old.

Of all the people to lead a long healthy life

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/bGD0W.gif

[prisma briar]

Seen the new futurama, atx?

[glacial knot]

Headmaster at my school used to get more quiet when the room was loud

Most effective way to calm the room I've ever seen

[winged obsidian]

The worst part is he’s still both appalling and often correct.

[prisma briar]

He apparently went to China to meet with Xi three weeks ago.

[winged obsidian]

It helps that you went to school in a place where “headmaster” is a thing

[prisma briar]

We called ours Principals

[winged obsidian]

Bedtime for me.

[clear ferry]

School zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[glacial knot]

We didn't have one for a while though o.0

Really barely matters

[prisma briar]

My principal had cancer when I was in elementary school and was out for like two years. Her assistant just took over for her.

[glacial knot]

We call them Direktor 🤷

[prisma briar]

Then she came back for like two years then moved to Africa to volunteer for something

[clear ferry]

Ah, that is where the word comes from

Norwegian word is just Rektor

now it makes sense, damn germans

[prisma briar]

Director makes more sense than Principal to me.

Principal to me means they would be the focus of the entire school, which seems wrong.

So I'm having my sewer replaced. Going to be fun. Current estimate is about $7k.

Started leaking under the house last week real bad.

And is also messed up in the yard, it has a hill in it so it keeps clogging there.

[clear ferry]

my parents had to fix their sewer last year, but the pipes was from 1963 and had a few trees growing through them

[prisma briar]

Mine's from 1974

My house is pretty old and worn

[clear ferry]

was €400 in insurance, and they got the entire pipe replaced from house -> municipal

[prisma briar]

I haven't contacted insurance yet, I'm more interested in getting it fixed. I have the cash on hand, I'll file a claim later.

[clear ferry]

that's a strange way of doing stuff

[prisma briar]

I don't really expect them to cover it, tbh.

[clear ferry]

really

that would be standard coverage here

[prisma briar]

My parents had the same thing done just a few years ago and weren't covered

Cost them 10k because their yard is long

[clear ferry]

yikes

[prisma briar]

I think it's considered general wear. I pulled the permits on this house and never saw any sewer work.

So it's 50 years old

[last cedar]

I thought it was rektor because they rekt you || with wooden cains and stuff, but then I remember I am from England and it was basically okay to beat children growing up ||

Head master in England

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/CXif.gif

[glacial knot]

Yea, we often shorten it like that as well

[red rock]

Get rektor

[cunning onyx]

@last cedar

[last cedar]

@cunning onyx 🤣 thank you

[cunning onyx]

Quite welcome 😄

[prisma briar]

Just called them, not covered.

It wasn't due to an unexpected event like an earthquake, it was expected aging of the sewer.

It would have been covered if it was due to another event though

But it's literally just a hole corroded in a pipe

[steel crag]

so patch it and make sure the next 'unexpected event' breaks it completely 😉

[late gate]

Should I install nextcloud on apache or ngnix? nobody seem to agree

[glacial knot]

traefik

[late gate]

but it still need to be a webserver there

how do you suggest to run traefik in front of NC without apache or ngnix @glacial knot ?

[glacial knot]

I'm shitposting

do you need nginx or apache to run some perl/php/cgi, or just a reverse proxy?

[late gate]

the apache is builtin, when you run ngnix I think it just proxy in

but im not 100% sure as nobody agrees

its almost so I just going to run linuxservers docker image just for the spite of it

[late gate]

any of you use chezmoi to handle profile syncing ("aka dotfiles")? or is it anything better out there?

[winged obsidian]

You can use perl directly on nginx rather than via proxy. https://docs.nginx.com/nginx/admin-guide/dynamic-modules/perl/. The massive downside is now you've got perl running on an otherwise perfectly good server.

[late gate]

@clear ferry Is it any SFP+ to RJ45 (cat 7) at around 20M that does 10G without overheating, and are they so different I need brand specific? I could not find anyone to pull fiber, so the best it seems I get is cat7 or 500mhz-1000mhz cat6a

[solar zealot]

the solution is to not install nextcloud php bloatware :^)

[late gate]

both should be in fine spec range for 10g

well if you go and install all the apps they have I bet its slow

just like wordpress

but I think a LOT boils down to optimizing

like getting rid for .htaccess and save it to memory

[clear ferry]

10GBase-t is an abomination

[solar zealot]

ocis is the solution hehe :^)

[late gate]

@clear ferry whats so wrong with it?

[solar zealot]

it goes woosh with electricity

[late gate]

and?

[solar zealot]

we burn stuff that does magic

[late gate]

hehe I have no plan of burning stuff

[solar zealot]

no worries, those network controllers will do that themself :^)

[late gate]

hehehehe

I ordered a 18U rack today

I actually got permission from my partner

to upgrade from 12

comprimise was it had to be white

[solar zealot]

arent they like more than a meter in depth

[late gate]

yes, The one I got now is a meter deep and about a meter high

I need the depth cause of UPS and the NAS

the more homelab ones are 45cm deep

but I have a space in the washroom

[solar zealot]

i see i see, because putting that next of any normal furniture is like impossible

[late gate]

I just have to make the UPS shut up. In the manual it say it got auto adjustable fans, but it runs on 100%

and that is industry fans

If I cannot fix that I need to change the fans to some that push much air but doesnt sound like a jet engine

[clear ferry]

It's designed as a stepping stone

Poor range

Poor heat

Shitty implementation

And poor adoption

[iron granite]

https://tenor.com/view/chop-approve-cop-approve-lulus-jalan-boleh-gif-9606558

[solar zealot]

i could see most of those issues comming from network stuff not being priced properly

[late gate]

yeah its not the best solution, but I have a pull of max 10-15 meters and thought of buying a quite reputable transciver not ali ones

at least it has to be better than a 1G link

I will hire someone to pull it so they will be responsible anyways h

[iron granite]

Wouldn't a fiber connection be same effort?

[late gate]

it was not possible to find someone willing to pull fiber

[glacial knot]

get 15m DAC 😄

[late gate]

I just got this one as he was a nerd and doing it for free

[solar zealot]

it seems a bit wasteful for only 10gig

[late gate]

I called at least 20 people

Just the AP is 2.5G so I will max out the line just with that

then I will sync the office and the server room, that will take 2-3G

so not really

better to have excess

[solar zealot]

i mean for having it be fiber

[late gate]

if I had the equipment fiber would be best I think

the stretch is super easy as its an old telephone wire

they are really thick here

so its a whole 16mm tube for pulling

got allowed to pull the old cable out since the ISP is not using it anymore

then the connection box is just outside my office, so a 10m pull straight up to the tele box, and can drill from the telebox, straight through the wall to. my office

I bought a couple of batteryless display tabs on amazon yesterday, made for presentation without worrying about the battery breaking. cost like 30USD for a decent specced

just for fun

[solar zealot]

huh what is that

[late gate]

Its a regular tab that they order without battery and power only

its some lenovo thing

for business use where the tab is always on

I expect it to be crap, but worth testing

[solar zealot]

oh i see

[late gate]

I just cant keep my hands off new stuff

I should loose my credit card privileges

[dusky plank]

a digital picture frame

[steel crag]

I would just pull some pre-terminated fiber, if it's only 10m you can pull it yourself

[late gate]

it comes with android 12

a stripped down version without anything else than play store else vanilla

im just going to use it as a HA dashboard

[balmy bough]

tried to cancel my 15-space disk array.... so instead the guy ships it. so now i am stuck with a disk array i don't really need... may be a future project, i guess. mainly an expensive lesson.

[late gate]

I regret using 2500USD on enterprise U.2 and nvme drives

I didnt have to buy that many in one go

especially since I will go zfs

I have started using a hybrid volume/bind setup on my docker now with 1password secrets injection. seems to work very well

a database goes into a volume, but the config file to a bind folder

easier to manage

and decided against one big database server vs a small one pr project. That way its easier to depend on each other and have custom config

[balmy bough]

Hmm, if only i had a decent set of low hour spinning rust to toss in my new-to-me server 🤔 then i could fire it up and get rid of the older server

[late gate]

have anyone tried the new warp terminal. It could be an iterm2 killer, but its so confusing!

and please stop making more electron based apps like Tabby. Tabby is great, but its not fast.

I have licenses on Terminus, but the problem with terminus is it doesnt work with 1password ssh agents

[steel crag]

where does it warp you to?

[late gate]

warp is a gpu driven terminal

but it feels a bit strange

its very fast

but its not a regular workflow

[steel crag]

well it's not available for windows or linux

don't tell me you use macos

[willow sundial]

I hate Mac but I know many devs who use it as a daily driver

"Warp is a modern, Rust-based terminal with AI" needs more buzzwords

Err.. sorry I thought I was in #shit-posts

[umbral cliff]

You are in off topic

[willow sundial]

To be fair it looks like they do plan on releasing it on Windows and Linux at some point

[steel crag]

well yeah, at some point

[willow sundial]

I will say that helping with cli commands is an area that LLMs should be well suited for.

[umbral cliff]

Fish shell doesn't use a llm but already does a decent job so it probably will work

[willow sundial]

I use zsh and it's ok if autocomplete data is available. gtp4all might work too. I want an offline solution personally.

[marsh moth]

Go look at Eleuther AI gpt-j and gpt-neox for open source LLMs

[willow sundial]

I'll check em out. thanks!

[marsh moth]

I'd run them, but they need a 16gb vram gpu to run, and my ai server only has 12gb gpus lol

[willow sundial]

I have 1G of vram... oof

[glacial knot]

Ha! I have 2

[willow sundial]

braggart 🙄

lol

I really wish there was some kind of non-profit org that was prioritizing open AI so everyone was on a level playing field. we could call it OpenAI

[dusky plank]

laughs in 24gb gpu

[forest edge]

unless you are doing video editing I wouldn't consider that much of a brag

[clear ferry]

I'm installing 32 80GB GPUs next week probably

[forest edge]

i thought game streaming services were dying

[clear ferry]

Still waiting for the 144GB ones

TIL adaptive headlights are apparently illegal in the US, so European and Asian car makers have to disable it in software

[forest edge]

that is completely untrue

[clear ferry]

apparently they will become legal some time this year

[forest edge]

I see the articles he's referring to but not sure what aspect was banned. The Accent I wanted buy when we bought the forester had what they called Steering Responsive headlights which I assume is what is adapative headlights

I think some cadillac's had those as an option since like 2012 or something

wow "adaptive headlights" is pretty broad. Apparently our forester's ability to dim the brights automatically is even called adaptive. so now i'm curious wtf was banned lol

[dusky plank]

its a macbook air. let me brag with my laptop bro

[forest edge]

apple.. auto lose points

[forest edge]

still can't find what was banned when it comes to the adaptive headlights. cadillac has this feature where it moves the headlights vertically and i found posts saying that was banned but then found dealer pages boasting about the tech and listing it which makes no sense lol

[dusky plank]

lights turning into curves is illegal?

[forest edge]

what the norwat was posting, "adapative headlights" illegal in the us but not sure what part of that is banned. the side to side and the auto dim isn't. hell our car as the auto thing lol

[umbral cliff]

What about auto high beam

[forest edge]

we have that

and i test drove an accent with the responsive steering headlights where they turn as you turn the wheel

the only i haven't seen with my own eyes is that vertical thing

so tired of them regurgitating the same crap over and over with movies and tv shows

[dusky plank]

afaik xenons need to adjust themselves vertically, normal headlights just get adjusted in the repair shop

[clear ferry]

all xenons have leveling yes

I do love the matrix led stuff on my volvo, lights up the side of the road automatically if it gets dim

and high beams come on automatically

the new ex90 headlights look even more fun

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqS9slzsUhQ

lol I might want to calm down on my laptop with open stuff

currently I have a top of 61.43 43.34 18.66

[lethal hamlet]

Having ability to turn left on but right of is probably what they banned

[clear ferry]

he National Highway and Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) announced a final ruling this week that permits automakers to finally add Adaptive Driving Beams (ADB) for vehicles on US roads.

Adaptive headlights, available on many vehicles in Europe, Canada, and Japan, have been prohibited in the US due to rigid and outdated federal regulations. Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards (standard no. 108) specified requirements for lamps and reflectors dating back to 1967, which standardized binary hi / low beams, which as a result stifled newer headlight technology.

But now, after the passage of President Joe Biden’s $1 trillion infrastructure bill late last year, NHTSA was directed to amend FMVSS no. 108. The agency was given two years to take action but was able to make the change a year and a half ahead of schedule.```

Adaptive Driving Beams are a headlight technology with automated beamforming, controlled by a computer that aims lights in different directions. It can brighten your path directly ahead and dim the lights that shine outward that could blind oncoming drivers. In its final ruling, NHTSA sought to “ensure that ADB systems do not increase glare to other motorists beyond current lower beams,” which was a concern when the agency previously assessed the technology in 2015.```

There are also even more advanced ADB systems like Audi’s Digital Matrix headlights in the latest E-tron models, which can create a “carpet” of brighter light ahead, and even widen the beam to another lane in preparation for a lane change.

this is pretty old tech, that is now being allowed in the US

All the european cars in the US have the system, it is just disabled in software

even tesla has had this system since the model s I guess

just disabled in software

that explains my system load

I had 748 tabs open

[forest edge]

Ok that sounds way more complex than just the headlights swiviling left and right

[umbral cliff]

That's required by law here in Australia, and I think in the EU too

[clear ferry]

Yeah, xenon is old by now, Audi started with that in the mid 90s, and had matrix LEDs from 2013

[umbral cliff]

To me a headlight doesn't matter as long as I can see where I'm going

[clear ferry]

The smarter the better

Especially in Norwegian winter

[umbral cliff]

Headlights are one of those things I don't really care about. As long as I can see the road then it doesn't change much for me

I'm good enough at flicking for high beam if needed lol

[clear ferry]

Once I went from bulbs to xenon it was a huge fucking change, even with 00 standard xenon, moving to led on the 18 Volvo was mind blowing

[umbral cliff]

That would make sense, especially with snow

[clear ferry]

And modern laser lights look bonkers

Costs $7k extra on the BMW at least

[umbral cliff]

Yeah normal bulbs are a little dim compared to xenon I've noticed

But I can still see at least

Xenon not worth retrofitting on my car

[clear ferry]

It's never worth retrofitting

Especially the people who put xenon in halogen reflectors

Jesus Christ

[umbral cliff]

Yeah I'm talking retrofit with proper fittings

Like get them from a wreckers

I'm not stupid enough to put xenon in halogen reflectors, Im not out to blind people

[forest edge]

xenon sucks when looking at it from oncoming vehicles

[umbral cliff]

Only when poorly adjusted

[forest edge]

actually i think i meant led not xenon

the super bluish super bright

[umbral cliff]

That's xenon too

If poorly adjusted

I'm seeing a lot of American massive cars with poorly adjusted lights, they're some of the worst

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/canyonero-arrow-crash-salute-gif-16744001

[umbral cliff]

Or as the nickname here is, yank tank

[forest edge]

what do you mean? inproperly adjusted headlights is near impossible these days

unless it's on some 80's car

[umbral cliff]

Its very possible. There are manual screw adjustments, if they're set wrong then the auto levelling will not fix it

[forest edge]

80's-90's

[clear ferry]

Or the auto leveling arm is worn

Had that on my a8

Was a nightmare to figure out

As it leveled, just did it poorly

[umbral cliff]

That sounds painful

[forest edge]

i haven't seen an improperly aimed headlight in like 20 years

[umbral cliff]

You obviously drive large vehicles then

[forest edge]

all i see is super blue and super bright lights every so often that stand out and blind the shit out of you in certian situations, like cressing a hill

[umbral cliff]

For lower down sedans a lot of newer cars are not adjusted right at all

[forest edge]

true, rarely ride the bike anymore

[forest edge]

that has to be an au thing

maybe our car inspections have stepped up if xenon is still widly used. not sure what our forester has but it's got the same annoying super blue super bright headlights i hate seeing

[umbral cliff]

Usually lights aren't checked properly in inspections. Just checking whether they work. That's the case worldwide

Its annoying but might be also because I'm in a lower down car

[forest edge]

if your in a lower car and everyone else is in a suv, that's not improperly adjusted headlights lol

[umbral cliff]

SUVs are pointless for most people

[forest edge]

i beg to differ

just the getting in and out alone is worth an suv lol

[umbral cliff]

A sedan is still very easy to get into and out of

[forest edge]

for a midget maybe

we kept her old honda accord just as a backup car that I drive up to get the oil change once a year and no thank you lol

stuff of nightmares

https://youtu.be/pVTa7UhsyNc

[clear ferry]

as a 185cm 125kg man I had no problems getting in and out of my Audi A8L thank you

[orchid rose]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/08/15/drunken-raccoons-cause-havoc-in-germany-by-raiding-homes/

@last cedar what's going on?

[last cedar]

The orcas have been telling us how bad humans are

Time to take action

[orchid rose]

👀

[forest edge]

The DJV advocates making raccoon meat a part of the national diet and using the fur for “high quality, eco-friendly clothes.”

@last cedar about to become an umbrella

[last cedar]

You will never catch me alive

cackles manically

[umbral cliff]

Just lure you into a trap with a doormat

[last cedar]

NO

So mean

You know my weakness

[steel crag]

that's not how raccoon clothes work

[prisma briar]

Not sure that's prerequisite

[steel crag]

you are folk of culture I see

[orchid rose]

So I finally got myself a replacement cable modem, used from a local "ebay". Same model as my previous one so it was weird how the PSU didn't fit my old one (I wanted to test to see where the problem is)... A closer look revealed that a previous user had replaced the 15V 1.2A PSU with a 12V 1.0A PSU from another Cisco modem and since it hadn't fit, they just made the hole bigger

[forest edge]

technical difficulties in the ghetto

[orchid rose]

older building so sadly no CAT cabling for the fiber connection

[forest edge]

I finally have fiber options but don't see the need

[orchid rose]

What other options do you have?

[forest edge]

at&t fiber is an option now, google fiber is said to be avail by early next year

i guess tmobile 5g is an option in my area too now

something about gaming on a cell connection dosen't sit well with me regardless the speed lol

[orchid rose]

for gaming ping stability is pretty essential

so anything wireless is just useless... Do you guys still have ADSL2 or VDSL around?

[clear ferry]

5g offers down to 1ms latency

[forest edge]

adsl2? not even heard of that but yes, we have dial up options.. don't think that will ever not be an option even in cities

[clear ferry]

Average is usually around 10 last i checked

Which is decent, I have 2-3ms latency to the Norwegian internet exchange

[forest edge]

i don't know how he can brag about that. he's within walking distance lol

[orchid rose]

Sure buddy

[clear ferry]

It will be if close enough

But the average will be closer to 10

We are taking about the rtt to the tower,add 2-3ms to major infrastructure from there

[orchid rose]

Quick google search found a 2023 article from a Finnish website that says the average 5G latency is about 20ms compared to fiber. The 1-2ms stuff is just marketing nonsense

[clear ferry]

It will depend on how densely the deployment is

[orchid rose]

Sure

But we're talking real life here and not everyone lives in a utopia that is Norway

[clear ferry]

I thought Finland was a developed country

[orchid rose]

Let me post a source at least https://www-5feetnetworks-com.translate.goog/2023/05/09/5g-latenssin-todellinen-vaikutus/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp

[clear ferry]

From a test downtown oslo

In 2019

Lol according to the article at least

That image is horribly faked

Seems to be around 15 from the tests I find

And that is walking outdoors

[orchid rose]

I don't doubt that at all in larger cities where you have a station with line-in-sight. And even at 20 or 30ms or whatever it's unlikely to make any difference for anyone

But the 1ms stuff was and still is just dumb

[clear ferry]

It will be 1ms in ideal situations

But probably not very much real life

It might be on 6g

Yeah, sub ms and 100Gbit for 6g

Will probably need very dense tower population

[orchid rose]

I really wonder what do we need these for though

[clear ferry]

As a fiber replacement

For inner city probably

And the IoT world

Each device will have an ipv6 address and roam between all points

Say... 40 sensors on a bus

Talking directly to the internet

[orchid rose]

5G came with such ridicilous hype already. It was supposed to revolutionize healthcare and self-driving cars. None of it obviously happened and currently most people will do fine on a 100Mbps connection with decently stable (doesn't have to be fast, just stable) response times

IoT is a meme for most people and will remain that way for a while I think. We're a bit special here

[clear ferry]

More devices, more bandwidth, more real time data instead of time shifted data

IoT is already big, lots of stores have hundreds of sensors in each store

You just don't know

Edge computing, optimizing and restocking

[orchid rose]

I mean most of my friends are boomers as well so maybe the youth is more into IoT than I've seen irl. But I really doubt it. I'm still the only one in any of my gaming communities that talk about this stuff and those consist mostly of younger guys

[red rock]

Depends on how techy you are

[orchid rose]

And what do we need more bandwidth for?

[clear ferry]

More devices

[orchid rose]

what devices are always spending bandwidth?

[clear ferry]

Preferably all of them

[orchid rose]

what for?

[clear ferry]

With realtime streaming sensor data

[red rock]

He's the guy who lets all his devices mine bitcoin

[orchid rose]

😛

Text-based data already takes no bandwidth. It's just video really that you need it for and we're reaching a place where there's not that much we can improve

[clear ferry]

You say that, but 40 devices per m2 streaming sensor data realtime adds up

On top of all the consumers of data walking around watching 4k videos on their phones

And say if 100 Teslas drive past, that is a lot of sensor data being pushed through

And updates pulled down

Only 3000 Teslas sold per month in Norway

Quite a bit of data

[orchid rose]

Right, but that's not consumer level networks and for the infrastructure itself you would still use fiber because it's cheaper and easier

What do the customers need a 10GB 7G connection for?

[clear ferry]

And smart trains, and smart buses

The consumers don't, but the infrastructure does

That the consumers use

[orchid rose]

Infrastructure isn't wireless though, is it?

[clear ferry]

Sure it is

For all those devices

Smart cars

Trains

Buses

Smart trash cans

Everything

[orchid rose]

Let's just say I'm skeptical that any of these claims have any basis on reality

[clear ferry]

Current expectations was 3-4 TB data per self driving car per day

Last i checked

With 3000 new Teslas per month in Norway, plus all other EVs

That adds up pretty fast

2-5TB per Tesla per week of data generated without self driving

[orchid rose]

Not a huge fan of Tesla employees spying on my feeds myself but hypeman do hypeman stuff

[clear ferry]

Yes

Other vendors probably generate as much

140000 new EVs in Norway last year

21% of all active cars on the road are now EVs

That's a lot of data

[orchid rose]

What's the reason to upload that data anyway?

[finite atlas]

so the company can collect it, sell it probably and use it internally on making choices on for example what feature car users actually use, what the mileage is and so on
and for tesla, improving the self driving thingy as its far behind what was promised it to be years ago

[clear ferry]

We are the product

[late gate]

Note to myself; Dont login to github with my work credentials to try the new github copilot. It installed all crap on my mac and changed it to corporate

[clear ferry]

LOL

[prisma briar]

We were told not to try copilot yet

... Largely due to my lobbying that we needed to have some policy on it

[finite atlas]

We always were, just much more nowdays.

[late gate]

copilot works alright, but not the best

the chat is alright too

[late gate]

@clear ferry Would you say pfsense XG-7100-1U is an alright router? I just bought one unused on finn for 2000

I think that is quite under retail

idk if I can run opnsense on it though

[clear ferry]

Shitty company

[late gate]

yes it is

[clear ferry]

But the hardware is fine

[late gate]

but I thought it was an alright price for the hardware

can expand with my second 40gbit SFP

so lots of sfp ports for now dual in and dual out

[clear ferry]

It's 1/5 of new

[late gate]

I think thats fair

[clear ferry]

Still atom though

[late gate]

yeah

I have another one coming from china. I am getting a big test shipment with routers, switches, cases, drives, sas backplates, high end sas enclosures etc

the only thing is the router they produce is older Intel

[balmy bough]

just migrated Proxmox VE from one server to another... now just have to restore the backups, and i hope i am good to go 🙂

[late gate]

back to the good old sun solaris vm?

[clear ferry]

Did someone say vpar

[steel crag]

no

[clear ferry]

What about SRP?

This was pretty cute @last cedar

https://finn.no/314116299

[last cedar]

2 things:

The garage is larger than my house

The cello is included in the price??

[clear ferry]

That is an upright bass

[last cedar]

Yes, a cello, exactly what I said 🤣

Is the not a cello included?

To be honest, it looks absolutely amazing! I happily stole a few ideas for my house!

You seem to get a lot more house in Norway than in Sweden

[clear ferry]

That is up north

In the middle of nowhere

30m from my in laws

16m from the airport

Perfection

[last cedar]

Mmm, is your better half still studing, or also working remote most of the time?

[static schooner]

@forest edge I don't know if got or saw the email from the LitterRobot guys, but they claim that the latest firmware should solve a bunch of the very common issues that I saw early on. For what it's worth, both my 3 and 4 have been working flawlessly for ~6 months now, and only the 4 has been receiving firmware updates. I switched to their litter, which is a little heavier, and I think that helped. This is what they said about the new firmware for the 4:

Fewer Interrupted Cycles

We’ve improved Litter-Robot 4’s ability to accurately detect what is and isn’t your cat, all while keeping safety a top priority. Now it can better account for natural dust and hair, which had previously made Litter-Robot vulnerable to interrupting cycles.

‘Always Go Home’ Mode

Litter-Robot 4 now has improved functionality so that it always returns to home position so that you never have to worry about your cat being without a clean bed of litter.

that last bit was my constant complaint - it would get stuck upside down and leave nowhere for my cats to go

They're also releasing the "Smart Scale" feature to track pets, but that's become less interesting to me now that my two cats have decided to use separate LRs. They don't share at all from what I can tell

[subtle pasture]

They've taken so long to implement that feature that I gave up and configured HomeAssistant to handle it:

[solar zealot]

Cats!

[subtle pasture]

It helps that one of my cats is significantly larger than the other, so it's easy to tell them apart by weight range 😛

[static schooner]

same with mine - ~9.5 & 16.5

[solar zealot]

we need pictures of those cats

[static schooner]

stat

I call this one Cat on Catfood Box:

[subtle pasture]

Here's Gandalf being a majestic chonker

[solar zealot]

i would steal those cats

[subtle pasture]

Gandalf the gray, even. lol

[solar zealot]

ah yes the typical dll

[subtle pasture]

Oof, last time I saw that it was part of a DRM scheme...

[solar zealot]

all i wanted was to create an archive

this seems to be some usb related driver stuff

[forest edge]

I've only experienced this once and not sure what caused it. this something that would happen if you didn't empty it in a timely mnaor when it marks itself full?

[forest edge]

How are you handling similar weight cats?

[subtle pasture]

My cats aren't similar weight, so the logic is literally "Weight between 5 and 11 lbs is Sphinx. Weight greater than 11 lbs is Gandalf"

Making 5 the minimum was to weed out false positives

[forest edge]

oh nm it's gandalf and gandalf average. thought that was 4 cats lol

[subtle pasture]

Ah, yeah, I also added a moving average to deal with measurement noise/variance

[forest edge]

i'm trying to do the same but with 4 cats and 2 LR's.. two of my cats clock in the exact same time from time so challenging

[subtle pasture]

I think this is where LitterRobot's camera is supposed to come in

[forest edge]

no, that won't be used in that manor

according to the email

[subtle pasture]

Then what's the camera even for? lol

[forest edge]

all that will be is a snap shot of whatever cat that is in unit

[subtle pasture]

And it won't use AI to recognize the cat in the photo?

[forest edge]

no

[subtle pasture]

Lame

[forest edge]

infact they sell the camera mount, not a camera that goes in it

[static schooner]

They literally call the feature SmartScale

[subtle pasture]

I thought the idea was they'd sell an official camera that connects to the internal USB port near the top?

There's even a cutout in the dome for the cable to pass through

[forest edge]

i think they plan to sell a camera but they never said anything about no ai for it.

[subtle pasture]

I don't really see the point of the camera, then...

[forest edge]

diagnostic reasons? i dunno

[subtle pasture]

Like, at least use it to detect stuck clumps so it can attempt a second cycle...

Sounds like I should just throw an ESP32CAM on it and have it run tensorflow myself

I can get cat and clump detection working no problem

[forest edge]

I don't think object detection is that good. if you look at the pictures of other cameras that has been mounted to thier camera mount the image isn't all that well and i don't mean quality.. just the angle and everything

being able to tell apart one cat from another would be no simple task

not like dog from cat

[subtle pasture]

The nice thing about highly constrained scenarios is it's easier to optimize for them

The camera is only ever going to look at the inside of the litterbox, and only ever see 1 to 4 cats. That's a much easier thing to train for than "you might have to detect any kind of object at any given momen"

[steel crag]

my dream is to own a litter robot when I grow up

[forest edge]

everywhere outside your home is a litterbox lol

[umbral cliff]

For yourself?

[steel crag]

well that would solve another issue, but no, for the 4 cats that own me

[steel crag]

kinda hard with cats that aren't allowed outside tho

I'm debating an LR for real tho, it's actually cheaper to buy one than it is to build an outdoor cattery for them

hell it's cheaper to buy two of em actually

[forest edge]

wut, how is that possible

stupid units were like 750 a pop

[steel crag]

because Bahamas reasons.

[iron granite]

Why would the cats want to automate the work of their servant?

[umbral cliff]

Frees up more time to give food

[steel crag]

so they don't cause their servant to be ensconced in a mental facility

[forest edge]

i don't buy that at all.. just use beach wood and coconut fibers

[steel crag]

well the male would be out in the garden if I did that, he likes to claw thru wood things... like doors for example

[forest edge]

thats some flimsy doors lol

[subtle pasture]

My cats actually prefer the LitterRobot. The moment they realized it was always clean, they were hooked.

[steel crag]

I don't think you know the power of persistence

[subtle pasture]

I kept the old litterbox around for a little while, but they'd literally only use it once before going "meh, too dirty" and hopping into the LitterRobot. lol

[steel crag]

this is the issue I have now, if one of the cats uses the litter box that litterbox is unusable until it's scooped

[forest edge]

downside is I have seen mine actually stop even bothering to cover the poop up.. wonder if the unit goes on the fritz if they will even be able to go back to the stone age

[subtle pasture]

So far so good on my LR4, aside from one instance of it faulting upside down

Cat dander on the motion/proximity sensor freaked it out

[steel crag]

the wire I want to use is 48" by 100ft and it's like $780 a roll

[umbral cliff]

With the cat in it?

[steel crag]

that's just the wire, not the wood I need, nor the price of my labor

[subtle pasture]

No, the cat did their business and it tried to cycle, but stopped midway through

[umbral cliff]

I still think it would end up like a cat washing machine
Spinning them around and around

[forest edge]

wire? you mean mesh screen?

[steel crag]

yeah it's like slightly smaller mesh than chicken wire

[subtle pasture]

The LitterRobot stops immediately if there's any kind of motion detection, or if the motion sensor can't detect anything

[solar zealot]

cat wire

[forest edge]

well one 780 purchase is cheaper than two LR units

[static schooner]

That happened to me a lot earlier. My current theory is that the litter I was using confused it either by being a weird weight or flowing strangely or having too much dust or something

[forest edge]

what kind of litter was it?

i use tidy and not had any issues

[static schooner]

I was using Tidy Cats in the plastic container

[forest edge]

weird

[static schooner]

it was pretty dusty, so I was on the lookout for a new type

[forest edge]

you weren't using that lightweight stuff were you?

[static schooner]

I tried that for a while and it sucked

cats tracked it literally everywhere

[steel crag]

https://www.litter-robot.com/litter-robot-3-connect-reconditioned.html

[static schooner]

I liked that it was lightweight, but it was not good

[subtle pasture]

This it what I'm using. Seems to work fine

[forest edge]

yea that lightweight stuff shouldn't even exsist. i can't imagine it even being healthy for cats

[subtle pasture]

Activated Charcole is a real good thing to have for litter that gets recycled as often as this does

[forest edge]

I just use the traditional clumping stuff, sometimes has light blue top, red top but most often the black colored top on the 35 pound plastic pal

workout carrying multiple of those pals in the house.. thankfully the LR's cut the amount of trips i have to do that lol

[steel crag]

I even forget what brand litter I buy, but also in the 35lb pail

[static schooner]

you can get it delivered

[steel crag]

I can't

[static schooner]

oh well. they have special cardboard delivery boxes for it

[forest edge]

oof $30 for 20lbs

[steel crag]

I mean I could get it delivered to my freight forwarder in Miami, and pay an arm to get it here, then a leg to pay customs

[forest edge]

use to be able to get the 35lb pals for like 12 bucks on sale.. those days are long gone 😦

[steel crag]

where? that's CHEAP AF

it's like $55 for a 35lb pail here

[forest edge]

thats the whiskers brand litter

it's 19.68 for the 35lbs on chewy

[steel crag]

that sounds about right

whatever it costs you in the states, double it at least and that's the cheapest I can prolly get it

usually the rule is 2x-3x base cost

[forest edge]

by the time you add in plane costs shit should be higher on island lol

[steel crag]

plane costs? only drug dealers can afford to ship by air

I'd have to wait on the boat

[forest edge]

ship by turtle back?

[steel crag]

which is around 1week to get things

anything I order takes like 2 weeks before it's in my hands

[forest edge]

thats really not that bad

[iron granite]

Sir, you might have to reconsider your business model

[forest edge]

considering not all that long ago, everything would take 1-2 weeks for me to get as well lol

[steel crag]

yes this working for a living stuff is not working out how I'd thought

[iron granite]

Ah... a common reading error. It says "living for working stuff"

[steel crag]

that's not true, else my Air conditioner would work too

[iron granite]

Is it living?

[steel crag]

I'm more like working for semi-broken stuff

[steel crag]

https://tenor.com/view/frankenstein-its-alive-gif-10618052

[forest edge]

aren't air conditioners forbidden in the bahamas?

[steel crag]

hahahahahahaha

if there was anything forbidden here, it wouldn't be that

you want a nationwide riot?

could you imagine the tourists as well ?

[forest edge]

thats kind of sad if the natives need air con

watched a documentary on the sad case of native hawaiians and they don't need it. Course with the whole homeless aspect there it's not like they have much of a choice but even many of the homes show no signs of having air con

[steel crag]

well I don't have aircon LOL so need is a strong word in my use case

but I would like to sleep the whole night and not wake up and have to take a shower to dry off

[steel crag]

how many of those were native Hawaiians tho?

[forest edge]

all of them.. it's what the documentary was about

about the conditions of the native hawaiians since tourists have moved in

many are homeless and sleep in tents.. it's depressing. like more so then the shit that happens like in california etc

like we screwed them just like we screwed the indians cept the indians got reservations and native hawaiians got a low paying no benifit job and thier land stolen

[steel crag]

well the native Bahamians mostly all got wiped out when Columbus arrived, so there's very very few of us even left

[tidal bronze]

You can't get enough of the Golden State huh?

[forest edge]

Golden? you are confused.

[tidal bronze]

Have you ever seen a Californian or a New Yorker talk about another state or a country?

[umbral cliff]

You?

[tidal bronze]

I have to becuse, you gotta give shit where shit is deserved. But we usually don't even think about other territories. It really doesn't matter.

[forest edge]

all the time

new yorker was a very bad example to bring up lol

[tidal bronze]

That was a hard question, I mean really!? Have a you see a social post like that?

Californian talking about Massachusetts?

[forest edge]

one state bashing another? you joking?

[tidal bronze]

Not even bashing, just thinking about it?

[forest edge]

hard to not think about another state when thier literal shit spills into the open media

wait, your an ostrich

[tidal bronze]

Oh ok. 🤣

[forest edge]

your head is too far buried to even know what news is lol

[tidal bronze]

It's been like 15 years since I watched or read news.

Does it matter?

[forest edge]

https://t3.ftcdn.net/jpg/02/47/11/74/360_F_247117497_nMp3hHzvlwF7PlJTEbTl8H5Axi1CHawv.jpg

[tidal bronze]

I guess it's good to be the king.

[forest edge]

is that what kings do?

[tidal bronze]

Not care about unwanted stuff, yeah

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/ignorance-is-bliss-cypher-joe-pantoliano-the-matrix-oh-well-gif-22197092

[tidal bronze]

When Missouri makes actual money, one day in 2314 we can have a chat

[forest edge]

what's considered making money?

[tidal bronze]

Well money

[forest edge]

so you think every other state just sits broke?

[tidal bronze]

💯

When you creep up in here in 200 years let's have a chat.

Until such time feed your cows well and be happy.

[static schooner]

Lest they acquire a taste for human flesh

the cowpocalypse is coming

[forest edge]

gonna be hard for you to deal when texas takes over lol

[tidal bronze]

Never

Unless you don't know what a trillion is

[forest edge]

i know what growth is lol

california isn't doing it anymore

[tidal bronze]

Cows don't count

[lethal hamlet]

Someone doesn't know about Austin

[forest edge]

he's an ostrich

[tidal bronze]

That fake real-estate boom city, of course we know

How did that work out for ya?

[forest edge]

you mean working out.. it's still growing lol

[lethal hamlet]

I'm from Europe so no idea 😂

[tidal bronze]

Ya ya ya. Pipe dreams. When they close a trillion dollar gap let's talk. Until then let's talk about your Missouri

[forest edge]

you act like you couldn't lose that gap in a single year lol

[tidal bronze]

Nopes

Will never happen in our lifetime

[forest edge]

you tell yourself whatever you need to make you sleep at night lol

[lethal hamlet]

So no clue what's going on here but I think we have bigger problems then GDP of a state

[tidal bronze]

If it does I will bow down. So till then bow to to the king

[forest edge]

wonder how many califonrians thought tourism would never drop as well lmao

[tidal bronze]

If you are not form US I don't think it's a problem, right?

[lethal hamlet]

We have the same situation here, Flanders vs walloons

[forest edge]

quad just sweatin over the reality his state will soon fall behind texas

[tidal bronze]

This sucks. I ran out of monk fruit sugar!!! How am I going to make this Korean salad dressing 🤔

[lethal hamlet]

But atm like the dollar failing is a bigger issue I think 😅

[tidal bronze]

Let not your heart ve troubled unless your life expectancy is 200 years. We will be just fine.

[forest edge]

famous last words

[lethal hamlet]

Dollar fails mean euro fails etc ...

All fiat poef gone

[tidal bronze]

It's the cycle nothing to worry about. Best time to go deep into the market.

[lethal hamlet]

Haha

No

[tidal bronze]

Well yes

[lethal hamlet]

Money Is dept

History has shown before it was bound to fail

[tidal bronze]

If anyone can predict the market, lmao.

[forest edge]

https://www.cbsnews.com/texas/news/texas-might-surpass-california-experts-new-census-data/#:~:text=Texas is the second most,than 50%2C" Fischer said.

[lethal hamlet]

And yes maybe for one time more but at some point it will stop

[forest edge]

don't blink quad, wouldn't want ya missing out lol

[steel crag]

quad and sonoma I have a song that reminds me of you guys all the time

Armin van Buuren - blah blah blah

[tidal bronze]

Loads of people underestimate California, starting with Mr Musk. Let's give it 5 years, we will circle back. Reports don't mean jack. So till then, like I said bow to the king.

[tidal bronze]

Love that song.

[lethal hamlet]

You know how the finance system works yeah? How one day a dollar for a bread and second day 2 dollar

[forest edge]

didn't you all say that 5 years ago already? lol

[steel crag]

same