the-water-cooler

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/yikes-david-rose-david-dan-levy-schitts-creek-gif-20850879

[umbral cliff]

Atx more like Mr Judgemental

[glacial knot]

Thin provisioned aka over provisioning, aka pending issues

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/south-park-youregonnahaveabadtime-gif-25708112

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/i-just-love-being-an-asshole-ace-trainer-liam-i-love-being-a-dick-i-love-being-mean-gif-19328044

[umbral cliff]

I say ATX should try running with consumer grade gear for 6 months

Not norways infrastructure in his basement

[glacial knot]

I just know that the storage cluster of my previous employer had some amazing overprovisioning by a mix of deduplication and risk management

[clear ferry]

Pass

[clear ferry]

Seeing 1:100 overprovisioning isn't unormal

Or more

[umbral cliff]

It works well enough

[balmy bough]

just looked it up, i think i am thick provisioned

[clear ferry]

My lab has 1:13 currently

[glacial knot]

nah, replace all his computers by alientware systems

[umbral cliff]

Nah used Pis
Thats just funny

[glacial knot]

that's just mean

also arm 🤔

[umbral cliff]

Atx is mean

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/rhod-brandi-redmond-mean-truthful-nice-gif-15061097

[steel crag]

#general-archived message

[clear ferry]

but you are my friend

[balmy bough]

Hmmm... debating on setting up my Dell PowerEdge T610 as a Proxmox backup server... unfortunately it takes 2.5" drives (x8, max of 2TB per drive), but i may have a way around that...

[glacial knot]

max2TB? does it only do MBR? o.0

[balmy bough]

no idea, it is an old server

i will have to open it up, but i think i can add a newer drive controller for the backup drives, and install my 18TB drive. just not sure what it has for power plugs available

[solar zealot]

You need a second t610? :^)

[balmy bough]

not sure what you mean?

[solar zealot]

Well two have twice the drive bays

but at what cost

[balmy bough]

trying to reduce electrical usage, while maintaining data security.

[solar zealot]

Sounds impossible on a decade old dual socket system

[balmy bough]

yeah, i know... but trying to work with what i have, as money is quickly running out

maybe the USB external backup drive will have to suffice...

[solar zealot]

If I remember correctly that system idles above 200w 💰
usb raid enclosures are a ripoff sadly

[balmy bough]

this is not a USB raid, just a single drive USB enclosure

[solar zealot]

good enough for backups

[balmy bough]

yup

maybe in the future, when budget allows, i can upgrade my servers, and add a Proxmox backup server...

[clear ferry]

That's just the controller limit, replace the controller and boom , but 2.5 is useless for anything but ssds

[solar zealot]

Ssds are the way to go

No but it should fit 3.5

[balmy bough]

not sure how. no 3.5 drive spaces

[solar zealot]

Doesn't it have 4x2 hotswap in the front

[balmy bough]

it has 8 2.5" hot swap bays...

[steel crag]

you can prolly get a new cage for that

[solar zealot]

Maybe this is a configuration part?

[steel crag]

the T610 was sold with 8x2.5 or 8x3.5

[solar zealot]

Lol

But that explains it

[steel crag]

https://www.greenpcgamers.com/dell/poweredge-tower-servers/poweredge-tower/poweredge-t610-hardware-upgrade-guide/

H700 controller installed to utilize drives larger than 2TB

from ^^

[solar zealot]

Upgrade it for gaming??? This 4mb whatever gpu will totally run the latest developments in text based games

[steel crag]

lol did you bother to read it?

"The memory that you need is based off of how you plan to use the T610. If you plan to virtualize you should buy as much memory as you can. If it will be a file or backup server you’ll want to check with your software provider on the recommended amount of memory."

[balmy bough]

i could possible take out the CDROM and tape drive and put drives there... 🤔

[steel crag]

or spend $18 for this https://www.ebay.com/itm/203719488367

it's almost like I used to do this for a living

[clear ferry]

that looks to cost as much as the 610 is worth

[balmy bough]

likely 😉

[solar zealot]

Well that card will never give you back pain trying to dispose it

[steel crag]

It's $18....

[clear ferry]

A 1U server gives you backpain ?

You should see the 18U servers I install

[solar zealot]

It's not really 1u in a tower design

[clear ferry]

It is exactly 1U

[balmy bough]

the T610 is abig ass tower server

[steel crag]

It's more like 4u

[clear ferry]

Oh the T

I thought you had the R

[steel crag]

No, we've been saying T

You're just old

Upgrade Atx please someone

[solar zealot]

The only reason I still have mine is because I can't load it into the car to get rid of it :^)

[clear ferry]

they weigh roughly the same though

18 vs 20kg

[steel crag]

Either way its team lift

[clear ferry]

I just don't believe tower servers exist since 1995 😉

[steel crag]

🤷🏽‍♂️

[steel crag]

We don't believe you outlasted the other dinosaurs but here we are

[clear ferry]

is 20kg a team lift ? sounds like the US laws and regulations where I couldn't move my CRT monitor in the office without calling a guy

Meanwhile I brought 3x45kg monitors in my car regularly

[steel crag]

Procedure /= law or regulations

Do you really wanna have an accident with a server that likely took 6 weeks to ship?

[solar zealot]

My arms are made to press buttons on a keyboard and not to be the warehouse guy :^)

[clear ferry]

I don't know about you guys, but I install 10U servers up to 25U in the rack by myself

and 2U up to 40u

[steel crag]

Thats by choice tho

[clear ferry]

yes, because I want it to be done, not wait for someone else to do it

[steel crag]

That's why I do it and make my coworker go with me

🤷🏽‍♂️

[clear ferry]

installed 340 2U servers a few weeks ago, good training

[solar zealot]

Imagine having even space for a rack type server

[steel crag]

If I waited on the guys to put it in the servers would still be in the boxes

[clear ferry]

exactly

[steel crag]

But I'm not gonna kill myself working for someone else

If I'm gonna do that it will be for me

[clear ferry]

This is probably the only servers I haven't installed myself in rack

https://twitter.com/JamieEdgar85/status/970421402015760385/photo/1

Jamie R Edgar (@JamieEdgar85)

First time playing with a dual chassis Integrity RX8640... #Integrity #Mainframe #Supercomputer #HPE #ITSystems #Computer #Server #Big #Heavy

Twitter · Mar 4, 2018, 10:11 PM

spot why

[steel crag]

Only 2u of rails

Yuck

[clear ferry]

yes

and they are flaky as heck

for 18U of server

[steel crag]

I can see that lolol

[clear ferry]

I love the server though, it has doorbells on all the PCI slots

so you can change cards while it is running

[steel crag]

I have a calculator thats about the same flops

[balmy bough]

pardon me while i stand to the side, so i don't get wet in this pissing contest 😉

[clear ferry]

Don't worry, I can pull up a 35U switch for you too @balmy bough

[steel crag]

I can pull up routers that big

🤣😂

[clear ferry]

we are two equal men I see

[balmy bough]

i got out of bed... and that's 300 pounds 😉

[steel crag]

You got me beat only slightly

[clear ferry]

Me too

[steel crag]

I'm around 250lbs

[clear ferry]

280 here

[steel crag]

But I'm also 6'5"

[clear ferry]

I'm only 6'1"

😢

[steel crag]

Hobbit

[clear ferry]

No need to bring the american average height into this

https://tenor.com/bomVB.gif

[steel crag]

Lolol

[balmy bough]

i am 6'2"

[steel crag]

Actually I said that based on Norways average height

🤣😂

[glacial knot]

can you guys stop the dick measuring contest? 😂

[balmy bough]

LMAO

[steel crag]

Only when we have a clear winner

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/vePo.gif

[steel crag]

Ok that gif wins

I concede

[balmy bough]

rather disturbing gif...

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/bbaGT.gif

[steel crag]

Romika@Worldpac is spamming ads

[solar zealot]

That must be a totally legit offer from a company using free hotmail emails

[steel crag]

also $35 an hour? what they think this is? McDonalds?

[solar zealot]

Who would even get out of bed for anything less than 4 digits

[steel crag]

Exactly

I can make $35/hr asleep

Also, imagine sending your resume out 🤮

[solar zealot]

The only thing that needs to resume is them paying

[clear ferry]

Yuck asking for Jobs

Getting job offers instead

[steel crag]

Lol that's exactly what I said

I've never applied for a job in my life

[balmy bough]

back when i had a job, i only made $14/hr... but i lost that job due to my Autism, and no matter how much i beg, nobody will hire me due to my autism (and bad back), though they don't say so specifically...

[steel crag]

that's messed up man, isn't that discrimination ?

[balmy bough]

it is if they specifically say it was due to autism...

[glacial knot]

you'd have to find someone dumb enough to put that into writing and paying well enough to be worth suing them...

[balmy bough]

i worked construction (carpentry), and that was the average wage for a carpenter. i have a CNC router table i am getting going so i can make signs and stuff to sell, though progress is slow with no income

[clear ferry]

I would say 80% of all people in IT are autists

At this point

[balmy bough]

i have only a High-School diploma, so IT is out of my league

[steel crag]

I don't even have a high school diploma

And I've been in IT about 26 years

[late gate]

I started in Hardware.no when I was 14 and moved to hardware.no offices at 16, rest is history :p

[glacial knot]

yea, computers are easy

child labour D:

[late gate]

hahaha

ok for me :p

[steel crag]

I also started with hardware

Growing up on a farm with a workshop almost an acre big I played with lots of things

[glacial knot]

I'm boring, I just do software 🤷

[balmy bough]

🤔

[glacial knot]

where did I put my corp laptop 🤔

[late gate]

Im starting in my new job in 8 days. goodbye freedom

[steel crag]

Hello money?

[late gate]

hehehe yeah thats a perk

I just hope they are not anti-overtime as many became after the financial crisis

[steel crag]

Salary is always your price for giving up freedom

[glacial knot]

a student friend of mine actually answered "even for that money" when I complained about not wanting to work D:

[steel crag]

During 08 I was only working 3 days a week. They couldn't afford to keep both people on my team without it

[steel crag]

Students don't know what real money is

You wave $100 infront of a student they'll paint your whole house

[balmy bough]

<-- doesn't know what real money is like

[steel crag]

Money isn't really real anyway

As soon as you get it, it goes

[swift dirge]

If I could be paid to use power, I'd probably seriously think about getting in a battery bank. (I live in an flat. so solar is a little iffy. But I've got a nice big cupboard I could put the batteries in.)

[glacial knot]

yea, I wish we had negative power periods

[swift dirge]

While I'm in and awake, my consumption is generally about 0.5kw-1kw. Only times it goes higher is with my kettle, my oven or my microwave.

or washing machine

[steel crag]

We have negative power periods all the time, even more with lightning storms

[clear ferry]

I don't even have that

[steel crag]

It's our power companies way of saving you money

[steel crag]

Yeah he's got me beat there

[swift dirge]

I dropped out of university 🙂 Twice.

[steel crag]

I didn't even need a diploma when I went to college for the one year

Lmfao

are we all just the same person

Or what

[balmy bough]

Y'all never graduated from grade school?

[clear ferry]

I have two vocational degrees, tried one year of college, gave up

[swift dirge]

I'm one of those people who breezed through lower education. So I didn't have to learn how to study. University didn't do wonderfully for that.

[steel crag]

I didn't actually either

I had to have an operation to patch my ear drums so I missed my grade school graduation

I did graduate preschool however and I have the pictures

[clear ferry]

We don't even have grade school graduation

[balmy bough]

🤔

[swift dirge]

dropped out in second year the first time. Went to a different university into second year. but I'd picked up bad habits and spent too much time at the union. Then I spent a year and a half unemployed. Then I got sent on a microsoft training course, with a 10 week internship at the end. I got hired in week 5. Then spent 17 years at that company (which was a mistake. When I moved on, I got a substantial pay rise, with far less stress.)

[steel crag]

See Travis

You don't 'need' shit

[clear ferry]

I didn't even bother doing certification until last year

Then I did 18

[swift dirge]

I don't have any current certifications

[steel crag]

Well I had to do at least 3 certs a month to keep job

😂🤣

For 17 years it adds up

[swift dirge]

3 a month ?

[steel crag]

Yup

[swift dirge]

o.O

[steel crag]

I have way too many Avaya certificates

Some cisco, VMware, and other vendors too

[glacial knot]

Just don't study for uni either 🤷

[steel crag]

Exactly

[swift dirge]

I tried not studying for uni 😉

[glacial knot]

uff, old people

[steel crag]

Then get off our grass

[swift dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/im-in-my-prime-funny-ironic-age-old-gif-11480659

[steel crag]

🤣

[glacial knot]

Nah, I'll fertilize it with some fresh feces

[swift dirge]

(There's actually a picture of me on the internet under this name 😄 )

[steel crag]

<== is me in the pic

[tidal bronze]

Is that toggle sw HA compatible?

[steel crag]

Of course

It's using the kids integration

'Hey you turn on the light'

[swift dirge]

😄

[tidal bronze]

Getting tired of nest. Must find zw thermostats.

[steel crag]

Getting tired of cooking myself sat in the house. Must get HVAC.

🤣😂

[tidal bronze]

Randomly ignores api calls. What a disaster that is.

[steel crag]

Sounds like they use the kids integration too

[balmy bough]

my MQTT/Arduino "thermostat" i made seems to work well... so far...

[tidal bronze]

I bet that's a better solution for sure. I am using nests as a on off sw anyway. Nothing smart about any smart thermostat

[balmy bough]

not as "clean" looking as a nest though 😉

[tidal bronze]

Yes the look. That's about it.

Generic thermostat FTW

[steel crag]

3d print something

And then sell one to quad

🤷🏽‍♂️

[balmy bough]

i will enclose my setup in the future, it is all still prototype ATM

code for my whole MQTT/Arduino shop controller is here: https://github.com/travis-farmer/ard_shop_automation

the thermostat in in that

[clear ferry]

Could probably be done with only esphome

[balmy bough]

i am sure, but i am more familiar with Arduino

[tidal bronze]

Planning to switch to variable speed soon, nests will be going away,

[solar zealot]

Not yet

They said somewhere they be on some was of resolving it
But really this product is so outdated, hope we get something new which will be worthwhile

[balmy bough]

like a 100-core, 512GB-Ram, Rpi 5? (just dreaming 😉 )

[glacial knot]

but still uses the GPU as to boot, because the CPU is crap 😂

[balmy bough]

hey, if i can get Proxmox to run on it, i don't care about the GPU 😉

maybe have a Xeon Rpi 😉

[solar zealot]

All they need to do is put a more modern arm soc on and give us m2 storage

They work nicely

But the pi needs to be less garbage and more 2023

[steel crag]

miniPC
this is the way.

[clear ferry]

Thankfully there are a lot of better things to buy for less

AliExpress has a great assortment

[solar zealot]

you can buy the 8gb RPI for about the same price as an m1 mini

[steel crag]

yeah but I'm not waiting for 6 months to get anything from alix

amazon has some great ones

and a NUC is only a few dollars more

https://tenor.com/view/for-a-few-dollars-more-clint-eastwood-spit-cigar-your-gif-22843445

[solar zealot]

Amazon sadly does quite some markup on some models

[steel crag]

yeah takes 17 seconds to search, and thats by pigeon

[solar zealot]

🐦

Thanks discord

[clear ferry]

Laughs in 12-15 days

[steel crag]

I can have things from amazon overnight but I will be sore from the prostitution I'll have to do to afford it

[solar zealot]

Alix is pretty cool. I managed to find some proprietary sata cable my mini PC uses and they shipped it for like 40 cents

[steel crag]

lol where do you live? China?

[solar zealot]

Angry land

[steel crag]

Germany?

[solar zealot]

It's like a 50mm cable

They put it in a letter and that's kinda how it arrived

Yes

Not sure if they can be trusted in general but it's quite a nice experience

[steel crag]

often shipping to here is at least 3x-5x the item cost

[solar zealot]

Buy larger quantities :^)

[late gate]

problem with alix is a lot of the hardware is reuse or demo cpu etc

[balmy bough]

as far as ewaste goes, how does a Dell PowerEdge R720XD stand?

[steel crag]

there's good refurbs on amazon too

[solar zealot]

Id wish I would have space for such cool stuff

[balmy bough]

$303

i mean, it's better than my R710, in that it supports bigger sized (>2TB) drives

i think it is a generation newer, so maybe less power draw

just trying to establish if it is worth cutting my throat, financially? and then just sell some stuff to restore my budget...

[solar zealot]

In what sense

[balmy bough]

as in, use up credit to buy it now, and hope i can sell some stuff to recover the money.

[solar zealot]

Does not sound like a plan

[balmy bough]

explain

[solar zealot]

It's a risk based on selling outdated hardware to recoup money you don't really have

[balmy bough]

not selling the outdated hardware, selling my 5th-wheel camper

[solar zealot]

Not sure how good that works in your area, but here it's quite eh to get rid of such stuff

[late gate]

Have anyone tried the new self hosted Jetbrains Space? It seems extremely cool with a full dev setup self hosted

[solar zealot]

Hm in that case maybe still sell it before you take up the debt

Unless the buying new stuff is needed for a replacement

[balmy bough]

the current server is running happy, just running out of storage, is all

so no immediate need...

but yeah, i will sell the camper and see what happens. good advice! 🙂

i mean, the camper is worth at least $1500 (to me), as it is currently being renovated. but that doesn't mean i will get $1500 for it, even with a new furnace...

[solar zealot]

Sounds like a 2.5k camper

[balmy bough]

maybe, i will see what i can get. new tires and new furnace... maybe 🤔

[solar zealot]

Make sure to check not that the parts would be worth more as spare parts

[balmy bough]

i will do that

[dusky plank]

It‘s not right that you are writing in this channel but else…

… because of reasons

[balmy bough]

changed my avatar... a friend described me to an AI, and it spit out the rendering as it's interpretation... i don't dislike it, i guess...

[solar zealot]

who dis

:^)

[balmy bough]

who is who? 🙂

😉 🤪

[low harness]

Why do you have to google the find(1) syntax every time? Isn't sane defaults part of the unix philosophy?

[solar zealot]

they have some trouble with uis

[steel crag]

Eww Google, yuck

ddg.gg ftw

[prisma briar]

So you got one for a reasonable price and used it for four years, and now for some reason you feel justified stealing a new one? Wtf?

You make prices higher for everyone when you do stupid shit like that. Knock it off.

[steel crag]

Humans. 🤮

[prisma briar]

Nah, not every human is an unabashed thief.

I'd wager the vast majority of people wouldn't consider doing anything near that. I imagine most people would consider him an asshole for even suggesting it.

[steel crag]

No not every human. But every enabashed thief .... is human.

[static schooner]

We definitely found one here

[forest edge]

Incorrect. $140 is the rip off price. Ripping off someone who is taking advantage of the shortage doesn't increase the price for others when the manufacturer is retaining the same lower end pricing.

[prisma briar]

He said it's a kit. The most expensive RPi 4 is $75 new, a 256GB SD card can be worth $20-30, psu, housing, packing materials, etc. $140 isn't really that crazy depending on what's included, and any way you slice it it's stealing.

[prisma briar]

That's all you have to defend yourself? Shitty internet wannabe edgelord memes from 15 years ago?

You're pathetic.

[young sigil]

Keep it civil. https://www.home-assistant.io/code_of_conduct/

[clear ferry]

We can only dream about Risc-v with proper storage

Instead of this arm nønsense

[dusky plank]

I want organic storage

[clear ferry]

If I can store it in fat I'll have unlimited storage

[glacial knot]

organic storage? Just remember a hex representation

it's just slightly lossy and might have bad throughput. But hey

[finite atlas]

why not get something proper, that doesnt break on you after 4 years, uses a microsd card for storage and costs the same?

[dusky plank]

I wonder what seller doesn't check the serials

[glacial knot]

You expect them to ever look at it and not directly redirect it to the incinerator?

Well, I guess at 140€ they might

[forest edge]

still won't raise the price for others regardless, while i agree two wrongs don't make a right of all the wrongs to be done this one isn't very high on the list imo

[prisma briar]

Not sure how you come to that conclusion.

Tons of people buy RPi kits, there's one less available now. That raises the price of the rest.

[clear ferry]

newsflash, tons of people are idjits

[forest edge]

not how that works

[prisma briar]

k

Had a first earlier. Somehow the filament roll on my 3d printer got unspooled a bit and it wrapped around the mount holding the roll to the printer frame.

Didn't actually keep it from printing, it just started under extruding.

[clear ferry]

Is true @shadow prawn ?

[forest edge]

first night in awhile the temps dropped down enough i feel comfortable updating my ha in the barn remotely

[shadow prawn]

Well, from a German perspective, not entirely

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/cartman-lederhosen-german-south-park-gif-10171187

[shadow prawn]

Sad times when germany visited norge, once

[clear ferry]

We have pretty dark humour up north, we have a saying in my hometown that we should have let the germans occupy us for two more years, then we would have had a railroad to my hometown

Germans built a lot of the base road and rail network in Norway

[shadow prawn]

back in the days we were quite productive and efficient, today we can‘t even build/maintain our own railroad anymore

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/german-cold-jägermeister-its-german-gif-16971683

[iron granite]

We can, but we decided to privatize it after reunification. And we are still efficient in bureaucracy 😆

[clear ferry]

Speaking of reunification, Spy City is a quite good mini series

[finite atlas]

joyful you mean

it was a family vacation

[umbral cliff]

Whats it about

[balmy bough]

Morning ☕

[shadow prawn]

Since we killed thousands of war prisoners there, joyful is not a word i would use in this context

[clear ferry]

Spies, in a City

[finite atlas]

well, how could i know that

[umbral cliff]

Helpful

Always giving the best advice Atx

[umbral cliff]

google.com

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-john-zoidberg-jesus-help-gif-21268866

[finite atlas]

whats that?

[umbral cliff]

Prefer https://www.google.de/ ?

[finite atlas]

yes

[umbral cliff]

Good

[glacial knot]

Just keep away from https://www.google.at

[clear ferry]

_famous Austrian painters _

🫦

[dusky plank]

I heard someone say schnitzel?

[balmy bough]

just a hallucination 😉

[clear ferry]

The famous Vienna new year's schnitzel quartet broadcast

[dusky plank]

mahlzeit

[glacial knot]

hey!

maybe I should just take my lunch break slightly early...

[balmy bough]

lunch? i haven't even had breakfast yet 😉

[clear ferry]

Joys of home office, eating whenever you like and whatever you want while someone else pays

[balmy bough]

that's what i need 🤔

[clear ferry]

Currently at the doctors office with my youngest, still paid time

[balmy bough]

sounds more like steeling from the company 😉

[clear ferry]

That sounds like capitalism brainwashing 🤭

We have 15 full days per year paid to spend with sick kids

[glacial knot]

Per kid?

[balmy bough]

Hmm, we need that.. 🤔 though i have no kids...

[clear ferry]

No, combined, it was 30 during Covid though

And any planning days in daycare or school is also paid days where I don't work

[glacial knot]

Yea, I think it's 10/kid/parent here
Though I assume there's a cap. Either 20 or 30

[clear ferry]

I've spent 8 sick days so far in 16 years, but I take time off whenever I need to

[balmy bough]

i think we have something here, depending on the company. though i have no kids, so i never paid attention

[glacial knot]

I only heard about it because they messed with the limits and how they are allocated during covid

[finite atlas]

so eating 24/7 ?

[clear ferry]

Sounds right

[clear ferry]

Still have 15 or so weeks left of my 40 week paternity leave, expected end December 2024

[clear ferry]

I'm wildly surprised seeing how stupid some people are, you are driving a Tesla model Y but you are using one hand to hold your mobile phone like a wafer to talk while driving

Also, what the fuck is up with holding your phone like that

People walking around everywhere doing that

[young sigil]

Speaker phone, so they don't get brain cancer.

[clear ferry]

Yes, the epidemic of brain cancer

Guess I should do that for the 3 minutes of phone calls I do per month

still doesn't explain why you would do it in cars

[balmy bough]

Hmmm... and the thunder rolls... (some weather rolling in)

[clear ferry]

Three thirty in the morning

Not a soul in sight

[balmy bough]

lol, i wondered if that reference would be picked up 😉

[glacial knot]

That's a fake Vienna

[balmy bough]

seems real whenever i happen to drive through it 😉

[glacial knot]

It's all smoke and mirrors

[balmy bough]

it is a "blink and you miss it" size town...

[clear ferry]

It's a pretty mainstream reference, anyone who doesn't pick it up would have lived under a rock musically the last 25 years

[glacial knot]

What is it?

[clear ferry]

Garth brooks

[static schooner]

how big is the country music market in Norway?

[clear ferry]

Very big

[static schooner]

https://www.quora.com/Is-Country-Music-relevant-in-Scandinavian-countries-If-so-who-is-more-popular-Johnny-Cash-or-Garth-Brooks

comments seem mixed

Most Scandinavians never heard of Garth Brooks. The most popular American country music artist in Scandinavia,and the most well known,are Dolly Parton and Taylor Swift. Others are Swedish artists like Jill Johnsson.

[red rock]

since when is taylor swift country

[static schooner]

yeah, Quora is better used with large sample sizes

[finite atlas]

thank you

[clear ferry]

I don't know a single person who doesn't know who he is tbh

[static schooner]

case closed

[clear ferry]

Then again, I'm also a musician

[static schooner]

that's what we call "anecdata"

[clear ferry]

Annexed data

[static schooner]

dogs and cats, living together
https://www.threads.net/@profgalloway/post/CvXfE2cgIV5/?igshid=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ==

I particularly liked the part where the dog demonstrates that he can easily fit the cat's whole head in his mouth

[balmy bough]

put my 5th-wheel camper up for sale on FB marketplace... so far, 3 obvious scammers have tried me 🤣 messages are all exactly the same 🤣

[orchid rose]

What's the scam? I thought it was usually the sellers that are scamming

[balmy bough]

they keep trying to get my cell phone number, all three used the exact same messages, new this year FB profiles, with no info of any kind on it

[orchid rose]

Weird.... What do they even need that for

[balmy bough]

no idea. probably so they can claim i sold them the camper over the phone, where FB can't track it, and failed to provide the camper

[prisma briar]

I've sold a couple cars on Craigslist, the vast majority of people who contacted me were scammers.

Crap like "I'll pay you with a money order and my friend will be by to pick the car up" or "Please hire a transit service to ship this car to me"

No, scammer, nobody is paying to ship a 1996 ford ranger that needs a master cylinder, clutch, tires, and a rear differential.

[orchid rose]

lul

[clear ferry]

Good thing when you buy cars on the Norwegian version of Craigslist, we identify with our digital national id and can make a digital contract straight in the app

Makes stuff very secure

[orchid rose]

That's pretty neat

[clear ferry]

Yeah, mostly any service online integrates somehow to our digital id

Which is very handy

Any doctors appointment,digital id, any medication, digital id, sale of car, digital id, registering for permits, digital id

[balmy bough]

what about all that digital porn you buy, atx? 😉

[clear ferry]

I've been downloading it for free for 29 years thank you

[balmy bough]

lol

[low harness]

We just recently introduced photographs in the Swedish digital ID. So now you can buy alcohol with just your phone.

You just scan the NFC in your passport, and it gets the photo from there.

Really convenient

[clear ferry]

Yes they are doing that now, we have digital drivers licences already

[dusky plank]

We just need money here

[clear ferry]

Banking has been digital id and MFA for two decades already anyway , rest should have been a long time ago

[balmy bough]

hah, scammer is persistent. this time the FB marketplace scammer created a new profile and added some junk image off the internet. 🤣

[steel crag]

Prolly bots

[balmy bough]

likely

[tidal bronze]

Tiny remote markets are ideal test pits, makes sense.

[steel crag]

Here we go

🤣😂🤣

Our government tried and launched a digital currency, no one uses it, not even them

[clear ferry]

Yes, it helps to try them out in markets with average iq that can use it

[steel crag]

so why'd they choose your country ?

runs

[amber shard]

ordered $750 of hardware from august for my new home

45 minutes after the box shows up they email me a $30 off coupon

🖕

[finite atlas]

guess why

[amber shard]

either they're about to drop new hardware or they check the tracking number themselves

[finite atlas]

likely the 2nd option, so you buy more stuff from them

[amber shard]

the text of the email suggests that it's intended for people on old hardware, and I'm currently still running a first gen lock of theirs

at the end of the day $30 off $750 isn't exactly a huge discount but it's a little obnoxious

[red rock]

In the Netherlands it just works to say, hey can we arrange something? Would be a shame if I returned it just to buy again

[amber shard]

I mean yeah possibly if it was still the original August company.. but they got bought by Yale and customer support went to shit

they do have 30 day no questions ask returns but I ordered it into Canada from the US so already had to pay customs and taxes

not worth the hassle

[iron granite]

The good EU right to return online purchases.

[red rock]

Yes

Love it

[static schooner]

Newsflash: Socialist country finding it challenging to wean the public off the government teat
https://apple.news/A_P1tODe9Rd64sCj89uYFOg

[clear ferry]

They already removed most of the sale discount, and a lot of the road tax discount

Still people prefer ev with sales in the mid 80% of all cars

They used to drive toll free, now they pay 70% of full price

And a $70k ev was increased to $75k at new years 2023 due to less subsidizes

[clear ferry]

@permanentlyhome

[umbral cliff]

Im happy with .ssh there

Otherwise yeah they can all go

[glacial knot]

Windows 🤢

[clear ferry]

Agreed

[woeful rock]

What is best Linux distro?

[glacial knot]

LFS

[clear ferry]

I have been very happy with popos now for almost 2 years

ubuntu was flaky as heck, but I ran it from 2014->2021

[glacial knot]

It really depends on what you want to do

[clear ferry]

if you want to actually work, random crash and hangs are a showstopper

and failed upgrades every few weeks

[glacial knot]

Yea, Ubuntu is a mess

[clear ferry]

I'm still amazed people prefer to run it as a server OS

[glacial knot]

I need to try https://www.talos.dev/

[clear ferry]

but i NeeD mY guI

Talos looks nice, need to look at it

[glacial knot]

Yea, I noticed it on the app systems go schedule

[clear ferry]

need to get back to more ansible stuff too

I'm currently a user of... 8MB of ansible scripts...

that create switch configuration for up to 6 racks, with overlay\underlay and documentation

it's a mess, but fuck it works so good

[woeful rock]

Someone told me a while back that Mandrake is best for newbie because programs is really easy to install with rpm

[clear ferry]

that is a strange argument

rpm makes no difference in package friendlyness

over deb or anything else

the package manager handles it

I'm gonna guess the user is not very experienced

[glacial knot]

Rpm used to be more supported for businessy stuff
But that changed over the years

[clear ferry]

if we talk 15 years ago, sure

but that was more about supportability and deliverability

not user friendly

[woeful rock]

I was reading about Slackware at the time he suggested it, so I shouldn't need to compile everything from source

[clear ferry]

wow

was this in the early 00s ?

because slackware has had a package manager for quite a few decades

[glacial knot]

Stop being old atx

[clear ferry]

I ran slackware in the 90s btw

[woeful rock]

Yes, somewhere around there. Can't remember exactly

[clear ferry]

things have changed in 20 years

not my fault I'm older than you @glacial knot

[woeful rock]

Yes, that's the problem. Makes it even harder to pick a distro when it changes all of a sudden

[clear ferry]

all of a sudden != 20 years

the big ones these days are probably PopOS, Arch, Mint, Ubuntu for desktop, for server it'll be Debian,Ubuntu or Rocky

[woeful rock]

Was looking at Slackware. Was recommended mandrake because of rpm. Then debian developed apt-get. Now everyone has packagemanager so now I still can't decide what distro to pick. Should have gone with Slackware in the first place

Maybe

[clear ferry]

I don't know anyone who runs slackware the last 15 years, outside of unraid, but that's an appliance

[woeful rock]

Linux and it's distros seems to be in heavy development still. guess I can wait some extra year for it to settle and then pick the right distro for my needs

[clear ferry]

no

it will be roughly the same

it has been for years already

[woeful rock]

It's just that sometimes it annoys me I didn't pick Slackware, then I would have been up and running. Now it changes so fast and I feel like I missed the train

[clear ferry]

and if linux wasn't in development it wouldn't be usable

if 20 years is fast, you need to work on your decision making skills

[woeful rock]

I just don't want to take an incorrect decision

Just don't have time for that

[clear ferry]

it takes 10 minutes to change distro

so you waiting 20 years make no sense

[woeful rock]

Well, it's been under heavy development so it's risky to use such software

[clear ferry]

no

no it isn't

lol our travel system is quite usless, just because it prefers swiss airlines it wants me to do this over a 50m direct flight

1500 stv -> 17.00 cph -> 1800 cph -> 1945 zrh -> 2050 zrh -> 2315 osl

[late gate]

The day before putting one of our dogs down is a shit day for sure 😦

[finite atlas]

:(

poor doggo

give him some good pats and scratches

[late gate]

yeah. he is 13.5 so had a good life, but still

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/ofgn.gif

Probably why I will never have a dog again, they are hard to put down

[late gate]

yeah, I had three dogs. one got a heart attack, this one just got old and sick and still a 7 year old left.

all huskies

[clear ferry]

my neighbour has only had dobermans, and she's had 6 in the 13 years I've lived here

most died at 2-3 years due to illness

heart attack is pretty common it seems

[late gate]

yeah

[umbral cliff]

NixOS is pretty neat for a server, given its full reproducibility with commands

But its got a learning curve and isn't quite there right now

[umbral cliff]

Sorry to hear that :/

[clear ferry]

the concept of nixos is interesting, but it... is quite different and gives no transferrable skills to any other products really

[glacial knot]

The "bad" part about nixos is how far removed from everything else it us

It's really nice as both a concept and existing software, but skills have 0 transferability, so I decided not to invest into it

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/TUCV.gif

[umbral cliff]

I've used it as my main server for about 4 months now
Its very neat how its just config files basically and everything just works
And easy rollbacks, and easy to remove stuff too

But yeah its not perfect

[late gate]

Does the CISCO(COM) terminal ports work with com/terminal -> usb or ethernet?

[clear ferry]

what ?

I don't understand the question

could you rephrase

[late gate]

on my router its a com-style terminal port

[clear ferry]

cisco terminal ports (rj45) is just a standard db9 layout in another form factor that is the defacto standard the last 20 years

any serial to usb interface with a db9\rj45 adapter or a serial port switch (with direct rj45) will connect to it

[late gate]

is it possible to route those through a switch?

or need direct?

[clear ferry]

you can't route serial over ethernet no

unless you have a serial to ethernet adapter

[late gate]

hmm okay. I think I will be fine as my kvm switch take serial over usb

[clear ferry]

just buy an airconsole

the LE version will last 6 months on battery

or just keep it plugged in for infinite battery

[woeful rock]

I just found a full set of my old Caldera open Linux cd's. I think I'll just used that until development of Linux is done

Bleeding edge is not good security and sometimes not stable

[late gate]

@clear ferry wonder if this one work with it https://www.get-console.com/shop/en/usb-to-serial-cables/91-4-port-expandable-usb-serial-cable.html so I can buy one console and a switch

[clear ferry]

yes it will

that is just the xpander though

you still need the airconsole

https://www.get-console.com/shop/en/device-servers/93-airconsole-ts-4-port.html

This one is both server and 4 ports

and can expand to 12 ports

[late gate]

yeah I looked at that. I. need 4 ports so thats maybe the best option

[clear ferry]

My old airconsole2 died a year ago, been using it heavily for 10 years

bought the LE, but it works poorly with linux

need to see if I can get it to work or replace it, not that I'm in the field that often anymore

[late gate]

I have pikvm for the other stuff, but this seem ok for things over serial

[clear ferry]

the fun thing about RJ45 is that you can just apply a coupler and a 10cm RJ45 adapter

to connect to any pinout

anytime

like the 3PAR storage systems, they flip the RX and TX pin, I've made dozen of adapters for customers

[late gate]

like those https://www.amazon.de/StarTech-Console-Rollover-Adapter-RJ45-Ethernet/dp/B0035PS5AO/ref=rvi_sccl_1/259-0745406-6589000?pd_rd_w=BL5RS&content-id=amzn1.sym.13dbab83-f61c-4000-b9ab-184f02ce8fa2&pf_rd_p=13dbab83-f61c-4000-b9ab-184f02ce8fa2&pf_rd_r=C7T4KG15HQGG6MDYT4CG&pd_rd_wg=4jWc2&pd_rd_r=be3de2b7-d010-4e86-8b78-5f4371e679b2&pd_rd_i=B0035PS5AO&th=1

[clear ferry]

there is no need for that with the airconsole

the cisco rollover is standard

[umbral cliff]

Lol how long are you waiting till it's 'done'
Since if you're talking about any development then you're going to be waiting a long long time

[clear ferry]

done in software == abandoned

[umbral cliff]

If you want a very stable and not bleeding edge OS then debian is your best bet

[clear ferry]

laughs in me upgrading debian to sid after first freeze usually

https://tenor.com/rRFD.gif

[umbral cliff]

I know someone who daily drives sid

[clear ferry]

no need to talk about yourself in the third person

[umbral cliff]

Oh I can't keep running the same Linux distro for more than a month at this point

Currently on Fedora silverblue lol

[clear ferry]

kids and their ADHD

[steel crag]

I went from bsd to debian to redhat/centos back to debian then ubuntu

but that's over like what 30 years?

[clear ferry]

I went slackware - debian - gentoo - fedora core - ubuntu - popos for desktop

and slackware - debian - suse tumbleweed - debian for servers

over the last 25 years

[woeful rock]

maybe time to try open linux, @clear ferry ?

[clear ferry]

no

whatever that is, it sounds horrible just by the name

Unless you are talking about Caldera, which I have tried, decades ago

it was fine, but it is as dead as a doornail

[woeful rock]

Caldera OpenLinux, yes sir

[steel crag]

I've used that before

I think it lasted like 3-4 days before I wiped it

[umbral cliff]

@woeful rock what is your big objection to using debian?

I'm confused

Is the idea of development on an os, scary?

[steel crag]

seems someone told him rpm was easier

[umbral cliff]

Tbh they're the same

I think apt is slightly easier but thats because it's what I'm more comfortable with

[clear ferry]

in the last 15+ years, doesn't matter which package manager you are using

unless you need supportability from a vendor

[steel crag]

im sorry but I feel apt is better

</not sorry>

[clear ferry]

I agree

but there is no reason to choose a distro because of its package manager

[steel crag]

true

[last cedar]

FRIEND

I finally met @clear ferry everyone, really nice in person

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/qGE2.gif

[woeful rock]

Debra

[solar zealot]

Aren't there apps which can 3d scan a room? Would be pretty cool to make a dashboard with that

[tidal bronze]

You sure?

[prisma briar]

Is he that toad?

I'm imaging a toad that goes 'Yuuuuckkk' when it croaks.

[static schooner]

Alternating yuck and Norway is the shining city on a hill. Takes real skill to fit the latter into a croak

[clear ferry]

Only one person in here has met me actually

[late gate]

that glory hole was our secret

[balmy bough]

thinking of firing up my Dell PE T610 as a proxmox backup server... it is only a single proc (12-core), and i could run minimal drives (500GB OS drive, and my 18TB as the backup drive). with minimal drives and just the single proc, it is my hope it won't burn up too much electricity, and i need something to backup to, that isn't on the same machine. in time, when i can afford it, i can upgrade my backup and main server, but i think this will do for now...

[finite atlas]

i just dont run any backups

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[balmy bough]

my main server is my website and VoIP server, so i would like some backups...

[late gate]

Im still looking for a proper backup solution. I felt from reddit a lot like Duplicy, but yesterday I came over Borg (I know borg) with the GUI frontend and borgbase

[finite atlas]

well, mine is just private stuff my life does not depend on

i heard many people talk good about borgs, very friendly people

[late gate]

hehehe, well I have to admit its a great tool (and the star trek stuff), but I am not too comfy with all the cli options

Since I run mac "Vorta" is a nice GUI

[balmy bough]

Yuck, mac 😉

[late gate]

BorgWarehouse is a web ui that can be used too

mac is great for programming

[balmy bough]

i was forced to use mac in school... now i detest it 😉

[late gate]

what about it is so bad?

[balmy bough]

that i was forced to use it...

[clear ferry]

Borg is great, but I prefer rsnapshot for simplicity

[late gate]

isnt that best for zfs filesystems?

[clear ferry]

No

It doesn't care about filesystems

Zfs has snapshots in the filesystem itself

[late gate]

but then I need a remote server to save it on?

say I want to backup stuff on unraid

[clear ferry]

You should, you don't have to

[glacial knot]

I should try to use Borg at some point...
It's the origin of k8s after all

[late gate]

well raid is not backup

[clear ferry]

It isn't

But you can rsnapshot from one system to itself, then rclone it off to the cloud

[late gate]

where is the cheapest place to store big amount of data with ssh access?

[clear ferry]

Ssh access? Why?

[glacial knot]

With ssh? Probably rsync.net
But still rather expensive for storage

[late gate]

how else would you clone it there?

[glacial knot]

Usually S3 compatible

[late gate]

S3, so can use blackblaze?

[clear ferry]

Rclone lives

And mounts any cloud storage

[late gate]

is it anything cheaper than backblaze? They have S3 and rclone support

dunno if I seen cheaper

[finite atlas]

a old hard drive you have just laying around

[clear ferry]

Jotta is $8 for 5TB

[late gate]

Also @clear ferry the ZFS expert. Since unraid now have ZFS support I will start moving 20 drives to zfs. Is zfs so fast I dont need to cache with ssd/nvme anymore, or should I still use a cache system?

[clear ferry]

Depends on what you do

I have no need for cache drives

[late gate]

im just asking cause the old method of unraid was cache, and nightly move to array

but that was just one disk in operation pr write

so what mode should I run zfs in?

or what is suggested?

and it say in the docs "Lua pattern to be used for datasets listing exclussion. Dataset descendants and snapshots also will be excluded. Check http://lua-users.org/wiki/PatternsTutorial for further information This definitely speed up the Information refresh process!." what stuff should be on exclussion?

docker stuff?

btw the new Arc browser is quite interesting

[finite atlas]

but probably 8 a month

[finite atlas]

i tried with and without a 16gb optane drive
no difference

[late gate]

on unraid?

[finite atlas]

proxmox

with zfs

[late gate]

hows the result?

[finite atlas]

^

[late gate]

ah yeah

[finite atlas]

ram cache is enough

i have like a 99% hitrate on ram

[late gate]

I just have 64GB on this machine, but will put 128 in it

[finite atlas]

0.5% went to the 16gb optane drive
0.5% went to the hdd

now without the optane, 1% goes to the hdd

and i feel no difference in using the machine

ARC = ram cache
L2ARC = drive cache (like a ssd or optane)

[late gate]

I think I have to look at some tutorials before doing this hehe

[finite atlas]

ARC is enabled by default

it uses the free ram as cache and if a application wants to use the ram, zfs frees it automatically

very neat

[late gate]

but can I assign for example an U2 drive to be backfall is x% of ram is used?

[finite atlas]

thats some specialized question i can not answer you

[late gate]

do you guys just run raid0 since u backup all the time?

[clear ferry]

No, add more memory

Drives are too slow

[late gate]

so nvme and U2 is just a waste now in other words

[clear ferry]

Unless it is a whole pool yes

Or a special metadata device

[late gate]

so have a data zfs pool, then a vm zfs pool etc?

[uncut nimbus]

Which inwall light switches would you recommend?

[late gate]

us or eu?

[uncut nimbus]

eu

[solar zealot]

zfs? sounds like brtfs but memory hungry :^)

[steel crag]

the 0 in raid0 is for how many files you get back

[solar zealot]

All my homies run time capsule as their server backup :^)

[uncut nimbus]

any recomendations?

[iron granite]

#hardware-archived is suited best for #hardware-archived recommendations

[finite atlas]

zRaid5 or what ever its called

[clear ferry]

Btrfs is pretty useless, except mirrors

[solar zealot]

* angry typing noises *

[clear ferry]

I run my download and unpack folders on a raid0 mdmadm with SSDs

[steel crag]

madman

[late gate]

seeds too?

or just linux distros?

[clear ferry]

All

Plus I run my high performance VMs in the same raid 0 and snapshot them to other storage

[late gate]

I really think I will use arc as my default browser. I thought Orion would be the one, but arc is actually good and fast

[dusky plank]

yes you can

you are totally in the wrong channel, I got it working on a old nexus 7 once. good luck

[clever mortar]

You wanted #installation-archived @tame cove

And just because you can, doesn't mean you should

[balmy bough]

Morning ☕ (03:25 here)

[clear ferry]

Too early for me

Unless I'm already at work

[balmy bough]

i actually got up at around 1AM, as i had heart-burn. just took a while to go through my messages and so forth. 😉

[glacial knot]

-4 o.0

[balmy bough]

"-4" ???

[glacial knot]

GMT

[clear ferry]

Zulu time or bust

[balmy bough]

GMT/Zulu is only great if you live there, or work in transportation (plane or train). for me, it is dumb to say it is 08:16, when it is so very dark out still. 😉 so just because you are in GMT, doesn't make it the best 🤪

personally, i like being where i am. first state in the nation to see the sun rise 🙂

[glacial knot]

none of use are in GMT (brits aren't real)

[clear ferry]

Most software and monitoring will be in Zulu time

and adjusts to compensate for local time

[glacial knot]

yea, the only important part is for there to be some place to tell you which zone it operates in

but most are on UTC because it allows easier correlation cross region

[clear ferry]

I just told my manager I don't want any of the stupid professional development courses, but I want to do CEH v12

[glacial knot]

no, you will like the corporate bullshitting 101 course

[clear ferry]

yuck

people stuff

I'm a master of social engineering already

[glacial knot]

cat5a

[balmy bough]

cat 3 🤪

[clear ferry]

disgusting the both of you

but at least one of those is an actual standard

[clear ferry]

virtnbdbackup is pretty nice btw

[clear ferry]

curious why my KVM windows VM feels sluggish, even with these numbers

[last cedar]

You saw the picture!

[tidal bronze]

Yes, but proportional?

[balmy bough]

Proxmox question: how portable are the VM backups? in other words, can i backup the current server, then install Proxmox VE onto a new server, and restore the backups?

[clear ferry]

which backups ? PBS backups or other backups ?

[balmy bough]

a backup to a USB external drive

[clear ferry]

If you have an external PBS they can probably be moved freely

if it is a virsh snapshot \ checkpoint, probably too

but why not just move the actual qcow or raw files of the live VMs after powering them off, including the xml-config files to some other storage, then import it

[balmy bough]

didn't know i could do that...

i am drooling over a dell PE R720XD, as it has more drive bays, and can support >2TB drives

the other option would be to add a disk array to my current server...

[clear ferry]

the XDs tend to be very overpriced

[balmy bough]

$303

[clear ferry]

and your current system can support larger drives if you just replace the controller

[solar zealot]

the backups are pretty portable

had no issue so far moving them between hosts

you may need to update the network interfaces before the vm will start tho

[balmy bough]

so stay the course with the current server, and just upgrade it?

[clear ferry]

depends on your budget and requirements, if you need more disk slots, a DAS might be smarter, if you need lower power consumption, a new server might be smarter

I did some testing yesterday between my Gen8 and Gen9 server for a friend, the differente was 20-30w probably in real life numbers, so negliable

[solar zealot]

(thats like running another mini pc in difference)

[balmy bough]

🤔

[clear ferry]

yuck minipcs

2x 2660 v2
24x16GB DIMMs
1x 10GB dual port NIC
4x RJ45 ports
8x SSDs

[silent dove]

@clear ferry I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:

[balmy bough]

hmm, leaning towards the newer server... 🤔

it is less cores, by 4, and same memory amount, but having double the drive spaces, and higher max drive size, is driving my interest

[clear ferry]

if the price is worth it for you, the XDs are usually very overpriced, I've seen Gen8 (HPE brand same generation) go for $50 in the US

albeit only with 128GB RAM and sometimes a single CPU

[solar zealot]

what are you guys doing that needs so much memory

[clear ferry]

I do ZFS and labs

I should have 512 in my lab server and 384 in my prodction

[solar zealot]

mostly used by zfs or the lab stuff?

[clear ferry]

We've had 1TB+ systems for over 13 years

[balmy bough]

my server currently runs my website, email, file storage, game server, VoIP server, ...

[clear ferry]

I haven't installed a server with less than 768GB since probably 2015

Added 6TB memory to a server earlier this year

[solar zealot]

for business stuff i may see how that could make sense just not for home lab stuff

but then i also have no idea what people do

[clear ferry]

I recreate multi server issues for customers and deploy nested environments that can be copied and recreated as we go from home

currently my lab server hold 73 VMs, but I frequently spin up 30+ more as needed as clients

[solar zealot]

that sounds pretty cool

[clear ferry]

my production system is mostly docker, I have 2 VMs there, one windows VM to do windows stuff and one GNS3 server to emulate switches

but I have 180TB of storage there

[solar zealot]

i am trying to move my application stuff off a nas and onto vms but that kinda doesnt need a lot of resources

[clear ferry]

VMs are overkill for 99% of stuff

unless you need to emulate customer environments

[solar zealot]

i like over organizing stuff

like stuff rather proxies 3x internally before id not use a default port

[clear ferry]

that sounds overly complicated

[solar zealot]

yes but stuff needs to receive ips by priority

[clear ferry]

just do ipv6 and baremetallb

[solar zealot]

friendship with ipv6 ended the moment i figured out how forwarding this isnt at all similar to ipv4

but yea mac stuff makes the decision easier

[clear ferry]

no need for forwarding when you expose the service directly on the ip itself

[solar zealot]

yes

[clear ferry]

with automatic DNS propegation to cloudflare whenever an IP \ service is assigned

[solar zealot]

i did not see it coming that stuff would run out of multiple ips for v6

so everything borked

[balmy bough]

hmmm, just realized my server doesn't have USB3 ports for my external drive enclosure... may have to pick up a USB3 card...

[clear ferry]

if you intend to use usb, probably a good idea, usb in general is a poor idea for anything but emergency backups

[solar zealot]

thunderbolt™️ 💰™️

[clear ferry]

pass

[solar zealot]

it would be fun

expensive fun

the best kind

[prisma briar]

Thunderbolt is totally useless for a server environment.

[last cedar]

@clear ferry isn't really proportional, no

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/the-square-hole-square-hole-shapes-piklas-gif-24625312

[night zodiac]

wtf

I almost used that gif in another channel just now and came here and seent it. @clear ferry

I went with

https://tenor.com/7IFv.gif

[clear ferry]

Bros from different bros

[balmy bough]

well, i did something i didn't want to do, yet... i bought the Dell R720XD, though a different one. the first one i found did not come with drive caddies. but this one comes with all of them, and more memory. the first one was $303 + $78 S/H. this one was $404, free shipping. i meant to wait until my camper sold, but my dang impulsiveness got in the way and bought it anyway... but i won't buy the drives for it until i sell the camper. unless there is a chance i can just pop in the ones i have now, and run from there, though i don't think that will work as i am using hardware RAID1 for the OS drives...

[prisma briar]

Huh, didn't realize that generation was still going for that much

I should sell my T420

[glacial knot]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ShittyMapPorn/comments/15g5eft/countries_where_capital_is_not_most_famous_city/
🤣

[red rock]

lol

a whole discussion in the comments that amsterdam isn't the capital

[orchid rose]

that map makes no sense lol

[clear ferry]

The XD is overpriced

That gen is usually $50-100 depending on insides

Currently the lower ones seem to be around 100

[prisma briar]

I have a T420 here with 96GB RAM, one proc, and no drives. I might be able to get a couple hundred for it and clear some closet space.

I actually have spare caddies for it, I have like 15 in total.

I actually was given free pick over like 40 T420s at work recently, all I had to do was pay to ship them here. Didn't seem worth it though.

[clear ferry]

No idea why the t420 is that expensive, you can get a whole generation newer for less

[prisma briar]

Not sure but it's going for a decent bit on eBay. There's nothing particularly impressive about it.

[clear ferry]

No

I've seen gen9s for less

[prisma briar]

T420 is 12th gen

[clear ferry]

Which is equivalent to gen8

[prisma briar]

Oh, you mean HP gen9

[clear ferry]

Yes

8th gen dell would be ewaste

[prisma briar]

Yea

Damn, gen 8 dell went back to lga 775

Oh yea, lga 775 was around for forever

I forgot that was a socket for like 7 years

[clear ferry]

Would be equivalent to G4 hpe I guess

So.. 2003/4?

[prisma briar]

Wikipedia shows 8th gen Dell as 2005

[clear ferry]

So G5 then

[prisma briar]

7th was in 2004, looks like they did yearly back then

or close to

I wasn't even in highschool yet in 2004

[clear ferry]

I started working in enterprise in 2006, but I worked managing servers from 2004, homelab since 98 though

Stuff has happened since

[prisma briar]

I would have been hosting some SMF forums and part of a couple hundred user IRC network at home back then

Lol, I remember I set up an old junk computer at home to work with multiple concurrent users and was selling vnc access to it at school to bypass the school web filter.

[clear ferry]

I had a few webservers back in 98, and irc shells, I was contemplating bbs servers before that but never got around

[prisma briar]

I was 6 years old for the bulk of 1998.

[clear ferry]

I was hosting Lan parties back then

Biggest was only around 50 people though

[prisma briar]

I did some Xbox 360 lan parties during HS

We only ever had maybe 20 people, we didn't have a place to host 50.

That and lan parties were on their way out then

[clear ferry]

We did 100 in 1999

And 400 in 2000

Lan parties were still big up to 2008-9 here

They are still hosted, but are niche

[prisma briar]

There were a couple near me a few years ago, some group tried to get a regular thing going, but they were like $100 for entry and screw that.

They rented out way too big of a space

[clear ferry]

Biggest one is still 5000 people here

[prisma briar]

Everything is too spread out where I am to find that many people interested in a LAN party within a reasonable distance.

[clear ferry]

This pulls people from all of Scandinavia

Entry fee is $200

[prisma briar]

I couldn't ever justify $200 for entry to one unless it was like a week long thing

[clear ferry]

It's 4-5 days afaik

[prisma briar]

Ah, the one down here was like a saturday and sunday for $100

[balmy bough]

i remember trying to setup a lan party when i was in college. that was early Half-Life: TFC. now i run a Half-Life: TF2 server just for fun...

[prisma briar]

And they hosted it in a kind of crap part of town, too. Not really an area I want to take my gaming PC to.

[night zodiac]

nice, I still run CS servers.

[prisma briar]

I ran TFC and TF2 servers way back when

[night zodiac]

Dreamhack has BYOC's and they're lots of fun

[prisma briar]

I used to run a NeoTF server with a ton of mods

[night zodiac]

I don't do the byoc though 😛

[static schooner]

Random guy sends nonsense message to mailing list
Other random guy responds with "This is going to 28,000 people; please stop posting"
This always ends well

[balmy bough]

lol @static schooner

[prisma briar]

Like that guy who pinged like 300k people on Github last week?

[balmy bough]

most of the time my TF2 server sits empty, but that's OK, as i still am pretty bad at playing 🤪 🤣

[clear ferry]

That was fun when we were 370k people

[fiery smelt]

UK raspberry pi 4's available, be quick before they all gone

https://thepihut.com/products/raspberry-pi-4-model-b?bis_id=Q5Z3GXl&utm_campaign=stock-notification&utm_content=Raspberry Pi 4 Model B&utm_medium=email&utm_source=back-in-stock&variant=31994565689406

[clear ferry]

Why buy a rpi for £85 when you can have this

Just found this amazing item on AliExpress. Check it out! NOK825.19 39%OFF | Beelink T4 Pro 4GB 64GB Mini PC Intel Apollo Lake Processor N3350 Win 10 4K BT4.0 1000M AC Wifi Mini Computer
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[orchid rose]

yeah at these prices the only reason to go for a Pi is power consumption

otherwise x86 is a cheaper, faster and more durable build most likely

[steel crag]

I would have been graduating high school LOL

[steel crag]

performance per watt is a thing too tho

[prisma briar]

Most people aren't going to care about the 10w vs 50w draw you'd get on an rpi vs a small x86 system.

You could probably get x86 running usefully in less than 50w too

[clear ferry]

A modern minicomputer will probably not pull more than 8-12w under normal load

[prisma briar]

Yea, my Ryzen 5700g with 4 HDDs, a 10Gb NIC, constantly running Frigate barely pulls 50w.

So nice compared to that stupid T420 that was constantly pulling 180w

[orchid rose]

When does that ever matter?

and I did mention it first

[prisma briar]

When you're working in enclosed spaces, when you're running off a battery, when you're running a high density of systems

[orchid rose]

Right there are some very niche use cases for them

[clear ferry]

And they all come with proper x86 hardware

[prisma briar]

I'm pretty sure ARM still beats x86 in performance per watt

[clear ferry]

Ampere probably

[orchid rose]

I mean that depends on the performance level I suppose

[prisma briar]

'very niche use cases' like every cell phone on earth

[orchid rose]

haha that's fair, but I meant more in the type of DIY projects etc that people buy Pi's for

small servers for whatever

[prisma briar]

I've always kind of wanted to set up a server to run off of an old Android phone. My main issue is connectivity, I don't really trust USB->Ethernet adapters.

Other than that an old phone seems great for something like HA to run on.

You can have a screen to show a health dashboard on, you can do a lot in the 32GB storage a lot of ewaste phones have, they have a battery that can act as a UPS, they're low power, they're damn near free.

[orchid rose]

But they aren't designed for that so the longevity could be a problem

not necessarily the CPU/GPU but display, battery, storage

[prisma briar]

I'd be less worried about storage, but battery and display, yea.

The last couple phones I've had I've used until the battery was shot and the screen had burn-in

But burn-in isn't really a major deal for showing something like a grafana dash

[orchid rose]

I wanted to use an older phone of mine for a HA touchscreen but it had stopped working while just having it in the cabinet. The other phone had a cracked screen and the battery bulged so that didn't help much either 😢

[prisma briar]

I still have my last phone, a Pixel XL. The battery runs it for like 4 hours and the screen has icons and text burned in though.

I think I have it booting to kde plasma mobile/ubuntu right now

I wish that ecosystem had taken off more.

I had a Note 5 too I was saving for something similar but I wanted some practice removing screens before working on another phone and ended up damaging it.

[subtle pasture]

The Lattepanda V1 is also cheaper than that. lol

Gotta love x86 SBCs being faster/cheaper/more compatible/more available than ARM SBCs.

[orchid rose]

The one ATX linked is 95€ and a 4/64Gb Lattepanda is 165$ and I'm not even sure that includes taxes

[subtle pasture]

Eh? The Lattepanda V1 starts at $105 (€82)

For the 2GB RAM + 32GB EMMC version, without a Windows license

[orchid rose]

Where's that?

[subtle pasture]

https://www.dfrobot.com/product-1498.html

[orchid rose]

104€ for me, while the one ATX linked is 95€

depends on the taxes I suppose

[subtle pasture]

Also different product segments. The thing ATX linked was a full mini-PC, without GPIO

[orchid rose]

true

[subtle pasture]

The Lattepanda V1 includes an Arduino onboard for GPIO

If you just want a cheap mini PC, hit ebay and grab a used thin client

You'll get them even cheaper than the T4 Pro

[orchid rose]

Yeah there are a bunch of good options. My earlier point was just that Pi's have very little use at these prices

[subtle pasture]

Oh I agree. The only Pi I find remotely interesting right now is the Pi Zero 2W

And that's because it's basically a hyper-power-efficient Pi 3B+ in Pi Zero form factor