All my pics are of my pets or tech related
#the-water-cooler
balmy bough
tech related 😉 another project
balmy bough
lol
hollow glacier
Fancy igus chains tho
hollow glacier
Thumb ring man says what
clear ferry
Now I should show you my prince Albert
hollow glacier
M o d s
balmy bough
yeah, the camper is the temporary home. building a new one for it
hollow glacier
yeah, the camper is the temporary home. building a new one for it
Literally?
hollow glacier
https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-peter-griffin-i-need-an-adult-fit-peter-gif-23...
I say this unironically way too often
balmy bough
i'm 43, do i count as an adult? 😉
hollow glacier
Definitely not related to pegging
clear ferry
I'm 39, I wouldn't count myself as an adult
hollow glacier
i'm 43, do i count as an adult? 😉
You’re here so no
balmy bough
LMAO
hollow glacier
I thought you wore big boy pants
hollow glacier
I’m not wearing pants right now
clear ferry
hollow glacier
Texas summers be like
clear ferry
Mass shootings tend to leave you pantless
clear ferry
clear ferry
Thoughts and prayers
hollow glacier
If only they helped
clear ferry
💭
balmy bough
none up here in Maine yet, and i hope it stays that way
clear ferry
I'm disappointed there is no Secondarie
uncut schooner
One heck of a Release Party that was
hollow glacier
Sir this is a shitpost den
uncut schooner
Maybe we need general shitpost and ha related shitpost chan.
There is always room for more shitposting. Especially when most channels don't allow images
hollow glacier
A succulent Chinese meal?!
That’s just general with extra steps
They are happy with the state of the server and there is no suggestion box this what we get lol
I tried getting us embed images / pictures in #hardware-archived and failed
clear ferry
Mods know best
hollow glacier
It must be that way
clear ferry
Users are also idiots who post text as images
hollow glacier
We’ll hardware has a very good use case
clear ferry
Yes
hollow glacier
The wear was hard
hollow glacier
Users are also idiots who post text as images
It’s also just a core tenant of discord and very much confusing for people used to every other discord ever
puts on his MLK hat
I have a dream
hollow glacier
Pictures
clear ferry
I'm so glad I haven't worked with users for decades now
Thought of you @steel crag
hollow glacier
Isn’t Cisco slowly dying
clear ferry
We can only hope
low harness
stable wolf
One heck of a Release Party that was
glacial knot
And then there's the faction here that treats the frontend like some giant bug 😂
dusky plank
https://tenor.com/view/squishy-aww-cute-gif-24546641
where yaml? ok on GH 😄
I love the network tab, going to try to recreate something similar
glacial knot
Network tab 🤔
dusky plank
go watch the party
glacial knot
I love the network tab, going to try to recreate something similar
The network, but with the graph from the energy tab
dusky plank
that is also impressive yes
glacial knot
Yea, I need more smart sockets so I know where my power is going
finite atlas
you customize your dashboards?
glacial knot
My main dashboard
Which I mostly use because CEC is broken in my setup
umbral cliff
My main dashboard
Which I mostly use because CEC is broken in my setup
Why is everything but deckenlampe and temperatur in english
glacial knot
Because I'm the only user, and don't really care
Pretty sure my room names are out of 3 languages
swift pebble
What do you think about this design?
https://www.figma.com/proto/NZAIUoXeYOjYBRk6EG2LB1/Home-Assistant?type=design&node-id=54295-34936&t=8RTxMzKL6cOUD4D6-1&scaling=min-zoom&page-id=54295%3A34798&mode=design
clever mortar
if you want feedback on your UI then #frontend-archived is the channel you wanted
steel crag
Figma? is that a fork of Ligma?
daring jolt
heh up to 10 years
nocturne sierra
Figma? is that a fork of Ligma?
Who the hell is Steve Jobs?
finite atlas
heh up to 10 years
up to 10 years"
daring jolt
idk my interpretation is that it means if the power goes out the lights must restore properly (except if the power goes out for >10 years)
clear ferry
I read it the same way
radiant moat
I have a Proxmox installed on my home server and Home assistant is running on a VM, currently most of my containers (tailscale, adguard, uptime kuma, etc.) are installed as an add-on on my Home Assistant instance. And I have another VM running open media vault which also has some containers like portainer and plex. It is all working well but as you can see it is a mess.
So what is the best way to install containers in my situation?
clever mortar
Run a Debian VM
Personally though, I'd blow it all away. Run Debian on the host directly, use KVM for HAOS and run everything else in Dockerr
glacial knot
why HAOS over container in that setup? 🤔
iron granite
I'd imagine less worries about dependencies
radiant moat
what about adding a new VM with ubuntu server os, and installing docker on it and use portainer to install other containers?
glacial knot
that's the fancier version of running a debian VM
though I have no idea how and if portainer works 😮
radiant moat
would debian be better?
clever mortar
why HAOS over container in that setup? 🤔
I mean... I wouldn't, but some people actually like HAOS
glacial knot
I get that it's cool to just run it as appliance. But I don't see why you'd run it i you already got a container env
then again, /me is probably one of the few people running HA in a restricted k8s environment
glacial knot
i like locking down the application's environment, while i have full privileges on the orchestration 🤷
radiant moat
is there a way to "export" containers from HAOS ?
clever mortar
#installation-archived could help you plan a migration
glacial knot
huh, I still run HA as root in the container. i should figure out why at some point
dusky plank
we should tone the haos discrimination down a bit, they barely make it down to this channel
/sad
clever mortar
It serves a purpose. Just because I dislike it doesn't mean I don't recognise that
Besides, it's still better than Supervised
clear ferry
It has a great purpose
To break
After automatically updating
So that the errors can be fixed for the rest of us
subtle pasture
Some people like locked down restrictive environments
Some people run virtualization environments, and treat HomeAssistant like any other virtual appliance 🤷♀️
APC PowerChute and Cisco FindIT are similar. They both come down as a locked-down "appliance" style VM, provided directly by the OEM. Boot-and-run.
glacial knot
that's why it ends up in a container 😮
subtle pasture
It handles its own containers just fine 🤷♀️
clever mortar
Thankfully I am not "some people" 😛
subtle pasture
And if it ever borks, Veeam is backing up all virtual machines on the host, and can just roll the whole thing back in about 10 seconds.
glacial knot
which reminds me, I need to play with kubevirt at some point 😮
subtle pasture
that's why it ends up in a container 😮
Containers have never worked well for me, especially when it comes to complex networking scenarios. ESXi also doesn't really do native containers (it spins up one VM per-host, and runs the containers inside that).
glacial knot
🤷 I've done some rather complex networked containers (in automation) before. It wasn't any more cumbersome than handling VMs
though k8s actually makes it easy
Caveat after discounting the heavy overhad and complexity that's just inherent to k8s
subtle pasture
I've been through the ringer with Docker. I always wind up back on VMs in the end.
glacial knot
docker just kinda sucks
subtle pasture
Networking (Docker's NAT, non-static addresses, etc.) always caused problems.
glacial knot
docker is pretty close to the "ship the devloper machine" meme
subtle pasture
Unfortuntely, docker is what everyone seems to use these days
I'll often wind up spinning up a new VM to run a single docker container (looking at you Pterodactyl) because there's no good way to run it along-side other containers.
glacial knot
What does it do that breaks running it alongside others?
subtle pasture
Granted, Pterodactyl takes over everything and spins up its own containers to run game servers, but still...
It's a management system for containerized game servers and game server clusters.
If you throw other containers on the same host, you're gonna have a bad time.
I suppose you could manually carve out resource allocation for your additional containers, but it expects dedicated "nodes" to run its own Docker containers on.
Think "kubernetes, but specifically for game servers"
dusky plank
apparently it takes control over docker.sock, that's like supervised ha
keep that to you and docker will be fine
subtle pasture
It's easier to allocate resources if I just make a dedicated node VM for it to run its containers on, tbh.
dusky plank
in VM world that'd be the equivalent of giving a vm access to its hypervisor, of course its going to spin up shit
subtle pasture
I did say it takes over everything and spins up its own containers 😛
clear ferry
Disgusting
subtle pasture
It does a great job running game servers 🤷♀️
And it keeps each server in its own container, which helps with resource management and security
I've got it running Minecraft and Satisfactory servers right now
glacial knot
just run a dedicated docker instance for it then 😮 you can do that both nested or on the host 🤷
subtle pasture
The current structure is vSphere cluster -> ESXi -> Rocky Linux VM > Pterodactyl
Can't run it on the host, as Pterodactyl requires docker, and isn't compatible with vSphere native containers.
As neat as it'd be to see the individual game servers it spawns as containers right in vSphere
dusky plank
did you know: you can run multiple docker daemons on the same host
its fugly, but it works
subtle pasture
I've never been able to get that to work successfully, but more power to you
glacial knot
or just use containerd namespaces to emulate that 😮
subtle pasture
I had a hard enough time getting Docker Compose to reliably set up my Plex/*arr stack
clear ferry
I run 70 or so containers, no issues here
Only VMs i run anymore are one windows vm to run Visio and one to run gns3
glacial knot
$ kubectl get -A pod | grep Running | wc -l
68
subtle pasture
How'd you solve the dynamic IP issue? Docker loves to randomly give my containers different IP addresses, which causes some hell.
clear ferry
I don't, I use host networking
silent doveBOT
@dusky plank I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 lines :+1:
glacial knot
<@664057275421556751> I converted your message into a file since it's above 15 l...
No
clear ferry
host networking 🤢
It's disgusting, but it works
subtle pasture
Causes problems when Sonarr suddenly can't find nzbget because the IP changed
As an example
glacial knot
just use DNS o.0
subtle pasture
DNS would be wrong because the IP changed
subtle pasture
The DNS requires secure updates, and the containers are not domain joined
glacial knot
docker runs its own DNS
clear ferry
Don't confuse internal docker networking and DNS for external
subtle pasture
Either way, never gotten it to work reliably. VMs always work 🤷♀️
glacial knot
https://media.slid.es/uploads/443868/images/4590845/YiTUZZH.jpg
what in the 🦆 is that?
dusky plank
i googled docker on steroids. was not disappointed
subtle pasture
You found the new Podman logo. lol
Speaking of which, I've had a much better time with Podman, aside from some docker-specific tooling not working with it
dusky plank
for some reason windows people often get attracted by podman
clear ferry
I've only seen some strange austist in another discord that used podman, never seen it used in enterprise
glacial knot
just use systemd-nspawn at that point 😂
dusky plank
its heavily used by our linux devops, including artifactory
glacial knot
I swapped to buildah for building containers though
glacial knot
we have a slightly odd oneline around with kubectl run ... to start a container that's effectively a root shell on the host
glacial knot
nah
swift dirge
k5l, surely.
static schooner
I had to look up a reference to A11y this morning
swift dirge
accessibility?
swift dirge
I mean, it kind of makes sense for i18n
glacial knot
what's weird about that?
swift dirge
there's two different spellings, after all
clear ferry
H8U H8U wouldn't D8U
static schooner
lack of familiarity with that particular one and it's just a curious shortening strategy in general to me
glacial knot
yea, the shortening on those is kinda dumb as it's horrible for accessibility and discoverability
static schooner
it's not just removing characters, but replacing them with a number that's completely non-obvious to the casual observer
nocturne sierra
This isn't HA related so I'll mention it here because y'all might think it's funny. I'm having an issue with my Enphase solar setup and it's probably got something to do with a Zigbee coordinator, since apparently that's what the Envoy gateway uses to communicate with the system controller.
dusky plank
heh
subtle pasture
for some reason windows people often get attracted by podman
Probably because Windows and RedHat are both very common in SMB/Enterprise
And Podman is a RedHat thing
clear ferry
Think it was @late gate who had a lot of issues with his solar panels because they interferred with both his WiFi and ZigBee
clear ferry
Probably because Windows and RedHat are both very common in SMB/Enterprise
Thankfully the only place I still see rhel is 5-10 year old power company appliances or oil companies that run legacy hardware
nocturne sierra
Ngl I was wondering if it might be caused by interference from my ZHA network when I figured out that's how those things communicate.
clear ferry
Yes, each panel talks to each other with ZigBee in some setups
subtle pasture
Thankfully the only place I still see rhel is 5-10 year old power company applia...
I see RHEL everywhere man. I work at an MSP managing 90 contract clients, and most of the Linux VMs are RHEL.
subtle pasture
It saves on support costs massively. Partially because each version gets 10 years of support, and partially because we can actually call RedHat for support if shit goes sideways.
And when you have one team of 15 engineers doing support for 90 companies, that counts for a lot.
Honestly, the weird part is how many of our clients jumpped ship from vSphere to Hyper-V
I'd consider vSphere the superior product, but I think cost is driving the decision more than functionality...
glacial knot
why bother? just run in cloud 🤷
subtle pasture
Because technical debt exists 🤷♀️
Some of these products and services can't be easily hoisted into the cloud. Some of these clients have HIPAA requirements to meet, etc.
Gotta love moving a service to the cloud, only to then need an on-prem server to back-up the cloud data because "one cloud backing up another cloud" doesn't cut it.
clear ferry
Yuck hyperv
subtle pasture
And then you've got everyone who's been running Active directory on-prem for the last 20+ years. Transitioning away from that to Azure ADDS is... a process...
clear ferry
Thankfully I only see one customer every 5 years who run that
glacial knot
he, I need to ask our relevant team what the plan for backups is 🤔
subtle pasture
Thankfully I only see one customer every 5 years who run that
We went from 100% of our customers running vSphere/ESXi to only about 5 of them. Everyone swapped to Hyper-V the moment VMWare dropped support for their existing hardware.
subtle pasture
"We can't upgrade to vSphere 7 without a new server? Screw that, I'll pay the $300 for a Windows Server 2022 Standard license key and run Hyper-V instead"
Hyper-V has hardware support going for it, I'll give it that much. It'll run on some very old servers with no complaint.
clear ferry
Only customers who run hyper-v are usually state, since they get it for free in their licence deals
subtle pasture
I'm so sorry
It gets the job done, and keeps a ton of servers out of e-waste. I can't knock it too hard, even if it's not my favorite hypervisor 🤷♀️
I suppose the other reason they went the VMWare -> Hyper-V route is to preserve long-running backup chains. Most enterprise backup software supports both vSphere and Hyper-V, which means you don't have to swap backup products, and you don't nuke your RPO
The only other real choice that was compatible with existing backups was oVirt, and that's a tough sell unless you're doing a large deployment.
distant jewel
clear ferry
It gets the job done, and keeps a ton of servers out of e-waste. I can't knock i...
To be fair, the only reason I get involved in hyperv cases these days is because they are crashing uncontrollably
subtle pasture
About the worst issue we've had with Hyper-V is scheduling all the hosts in a cluster not to reboot for updates at exactly the same time. lol
Other than that, it gets the job done
clear ferry
Just off the top of my head
-vmqdepth causing storage issues
-cluster storage failover continuously
-rdma causing hosts to crash if io exceeds 100Mbit
-vm goes into sleep/suspend, causing physical core to do the same, causing host to bsod
-amd zen1 chiplet lulz causing a vm that exceedeing the core size of one chiplet to cause the host to bsod
subtle pasture
I have noticed more issues on AMD-based servers than Intel-based ones, I'll give you that
Most of our clients are running Xeons. We have dual EPYC chips on our in-house server.
clear ferry
Had customers return multiple zen1 hosts and replaced them with intel hosts, all issues vanished
subtle pasture
Getting the NUMA mode and threads-per-core balanced correctly was a pain
clear ferry
The whole chiplet nonsense makes coordination even more a pita
subtle pasture
For some reason the server shipped in NPS4 mode, and nobody noticed until it was already in production
"Why is everything so slow? ...why are there 8 NUMA nodes???"
clear ferry
Fun fact, a single host running esxi, running a single sap vm
Default general purpose host Vs high performance hypervisor hosts power profile
18% increase in sap performance
subtle pasture
With the latter power profile?
clear ferry
Yes
subtle pasture
Brb, logging into iLO...
I'm pretty sure we're already set that way, but I don't trust anything anymore.
clear ferry
No need for that, just look at oneview 😉
subtle pasture
Assuming it ever got registered with OneView...
clear ferry
Tsk tsk
subtle pasture
Though apparently I just get redirected to GreenLake when trying to access OneView now
So that's fun
clear ferry
That just sounds like Greenlake for compute ops Management
Which is a totally seperate product from oneview
subtle pasture
Well, blame HPE, because that's where I get sent when attempting to log in to OneView. lol
clear ferry
Then... Someone has done something funky in your management portfolio, we don't redirect you
Oneview can run fully offline and local
subtle pasture
Honestly, this entire HPE account needs to be burned down and recreated. It's owned by our late CEO.
clear ferry
subtle pasture
Oh, nevermind, you can actually change the account holder name. Just gonna set that to someone who's still alive...
iron granite
But why. If something goes wrong, it's the perfect person to blame
subtle pasture
Which reminds me, I need to figure out why he still shows up in Teams even though his account has been disabled for a while
iron granite
"It's {{ states('sensor.random_name_of_coworker') }}'s fault!"
clear ferry
that should be a select probably
iron granite
You want to pick the one to blame. A person with taste 😆
tired quarry
I dropped a 12v 9ah lead acid battery to the floor by mistake
Safe? It is not leaking
iron granite
Don't lick it
tired quarry
Buttt
tardy pasture
Anyone have a preferred brand of type A to C charging cables? (in USA)
nocturne sierra
Can't go wrong with Anker.
finite atlas
Safe? It is not leaking
Its fine
clear ferry
solar zealot
Can an lxc be updated similar to an ordinary vm?
Would be a shame setting it up and then kinda being stuck
steel crag
you mean HAOS?
solar zealot
No I mean a container in general
glacial knot
lxc is closer to a VM than docker o.0
But you can do updates in both container environments. in lxc you do them largely with a package manager in the container
with docker you'd usually keep all (Cache) data outside the container and swap it for a newer container for an update
solar zealot
You could do the same within docker, but it's just easier to rebuild it which is fairly easy
I kinda don't want to build an lxc template just to do that
glacial knot
you could. But docker is going to work against you with its concept of an (Container)image
steel crag
Can an lxc be updated similar to an ordinary vm?
im sorry I misread this entirely, yes you can update lxc... I read that as upgrade it TO a vm
still waking up
glacial knot
lxc containers usually contain an entire distro and run it similar to how you'd run a VM
while docker is more suited for application containers
steel crag
lxc would be perfect for a dns server imho
solar zealot
I will see how it works out. Ordered me one of those beelink systems to both retire the last pi n possible my bigger proxmox host
steel crag
lxc containers usually contain an entire distro and run it similar to how you'd ...
nope
solar zealot
It better arrive soon hyped
steel crag
Horstexplorer maybe this helps you understand a little better https://www.section.io/engineering-education/lxc-vs-docker-what-is-the-difference-and-why-docker-is-better/
balmy bough
there, i feel better. the Rpi heatsink/fan i ordered arrived. before install, the cpu temp was around 110F, now it is 85.5F and i think still falling 🙂 not a huge difference, but i feel better. 🙂
clear ferry
Ewww lxc
balmy bough
what's wrong with Rpi, it runs fine? it would be foolish to dedicate my 24-core rack server to HA
clear ferry
I do have respect for two ARM platforms though
UK met Isambard 2, and Proliant RL300
swift dirge
you wouldn't like a ARS-210ME-FNR?
swift dirge
Eh, my only real problem with them is the lack of paste in ipmi
clear ferry
I've thankfully only seen two supermicro systems in my life irl
And just the fact that they use a red led to indicate hot spare annoys me to smithereens
prisma briar
We tried moving to SuperMicros at work, it was going to be a huge savings compared to Dell.
Never managed to get our test cluster stable on them though. They had the weirdest and most obnoxious issues of any computer I think I've ever worked with.
They kept throwing MCEs, crashing, then on reboot the damn ipmi would freeze and we'd need to send someone to physically cycle them.
clear ferry
Lol
prisma briar
I'm convinced most people would be better with a cluster of used office Dells over a SuperMicro box.
clear ferry
They are hugely popular amongst homelab people who have no experience with proper hardware though
But mostly state side
prisma briar
Must suck for them.
Everyone I know with homelabs either has used Dell/HP/Lenovo servers or just repurposed desktop PCs.
clear ferry
I know one guy who loves them, he also argues with me that there are no 100% uptime systems
So
prisma briar
I've seen Dells booted for 6+ years, never seen a SuperMicro booted longer than a month.
steel crag
lol when I quit my old job the server on my desk had 11 year uptime
clear ferry
I've downed servers with 13 years uptime, but I know of longer, but for an entire system, it can be upgraded fine online by booting individual nodes
The system is still online
prisma briar
Oh, yea, a cluster can easily have 100% uptime over years.
clear ferry
Modern storage systems are just clusters after all
steel crag
it's like lego these days
prisma briar
I know they charge millions but I think IBM's top guarantee has like six 9's or something.
steel crag
I've run 100% uptime phone systems too
for years
HA is not new
duplicated hosts, live backup recovery servers
prisma briar
We offer 100
You don't guarantee it like IBM does, though. With IBM their guarantees are more or less insurance policies, from what I've heard.
clear ferry
prisma briar
If the customer or end-user experiences less than 100% availability as a result of a qualified outage, HPE will work with the customer or end user to resolve the issue and provide a voucher that can be redeemed upon making a future investment in HPE Primera
That's not insurance
clear ferry
That is what the paper says, it happens differently
We even roll out new systems
If the customer system fails
prisma briar
Isn't that just warranty support?
clear ferry
Nope
Regular warranty stuff is just replacing parts until it works
A 100% uptime system would be replaced entirely in one go
We've had 6h CTR contracts for 20 years now
Where the entire system will be back up in less than 6 hours
prisma briar
I can't even imagine how much having a 6h replacement on standby would cost my place.
prisma briar
Fair
It matters quite a bit less if my customers have an outage, heh. It's not good but it's not compromise an economy bad.
clear ferry
Or oil and gas
Where a system outage gets expensive fast
When an oil engineer costs 2500$ per hour, plus lost income
dusky plank
docker aswell as lxc use the host kernel.
So they are both equally far from a vm imo. Can‘t argue now have to board later aligator
finite atlas
Can an lxc be updated similar to an ordinary vm?
yes
rigid hornet
Hi all, I'm quite new to all of this, but I am using alarmo and node red on home assistant. I've created a scene that turns on all lights and sets colours ect when the alarm is triggered. Is it possible to create a variable or something, that when the alarm is disarmed/all clear, that lights will return to the state they were previously. i.e. if they were off they go back to off, if one room had lamps set to warm white they will go back to being on warm white etc. ?
clear ferry
Sure, save the state before the transition
Use that state in a scene
How often does your alarm go off? Best regards someone who hasn't had an alarm go off due to something else than user error the last 30+ years
prisma briar
docker aswell as lxc use the host kernel.
So they are both equally far from a vm...
Docker and LXC are user-space frontends to the same kernel-space mechanism.
They're just different configurations of the same technology
Both are just cgroups
dusky plank
Netham45 best man, confirms my flimsy facts
clear ferry
Lxc does manage it's libraries and applications less ephemeral afaik
clever mortar
Hi all I m quite new to all of this but
prisma briar
Yea, and Docker relies on overlayfs which is pretty closely associated, but those are filesystem layers, not virtualization/container layers.
rigid hornet
How often does your alarm go off? Best regards someone who hasn't had an alarm g...
Hopefully not often lol but I have the smoke alarms/carbon and door windows etc set to trigger a scene. How would I go about saving a state to a scene? And this is possible even with the state being potentially different each time? Thanks for the input. Learning as I go.
clear ferry
harsh heath
It was supposed to show 24h consumption, but it's now tracking the lifetime of my PSU in Watts because of my laziness to make it reset every 24h
orchid rose
now integrate it with a cost calculation and notice that... you still don't really care
orchid rose
At consumer scales you won't save much either way. Still it's pretty cool that I know I've spent 29.69€ for running my PC this year 🤓
iron granite
orchid rose
subtle pasture
there, i feel better. the Rpi heatsink/fan i ordered arrived. before install, th...
43c wasn't all that hot to begin with, tbh.
copper minnow
I'm dying 💀
static schooner
I bet you're wishing that you had a water slide like #the-water-cooler message
steel crag
Hahahaha
static schooner
that's quite insane
steel crag
Well without the 11.9mph wind rn we'd be dead
But it's 83% humidity
Sooo
Nasty hot
static schooner
was a little chilly for my taste this morning with my windows open (~63F), but now it's a delightful 72F
San Diego has its own little microclimate
finite atlas
I'm dying 💀
Just 29°C, where is the problem?
copper minnow
Just 29°C, where is the problem?
At night, in an area where it doesn't get above 16°c usually
Also that's the indoor temperature
😂
finite atlas
I'm getting cooked at +2°c outside temp usually. So when its 31°C like today, my room would reach 33°C if i wouldn't have a heatpump.
The last few years, summer was really brutal, having peaks of up to 42°C inside and no heatpump.
steel crag
yeah I have no AC/heatpump either
im about to pull the circuit board from my AC to see why the relay isn't kcking the compressor on
finite atlas
do it now
static schooner
I'm going with "pigeon crap"
prisma briar
Starter capacitor go out?
steel crag
Starter capacitor go out?
nah it's a split unit not a central
I used to keep spares when I had central AC
but it was also nearly $2K a month to run one of them, much less the both of them
static schooner
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clear ferry
Indoor cats, what a strange concept
steel crag
It's 40.5C here rn, at 20:34
34C at 0335
clear ferry
I almost died in my in-laws house last night when it was 22 in the daytime and no AC
steel crag
LOL it won't be 22C here for months
clear ferry
We have an AC in the bedroom at home
Our master bedroom is in the sun wall and it gets to 30-35c inside in the summer
steel crag
shit 22C is where I normally have my AC set at
clear ferry
Add four people to the mix and it is horrid without AC
steel crag
Add four people to the mix and it is horrid without AC
4 people is a bit much for a master bedroom tho
clear ferry
Life with kids
I just did a small check of my data usage, I used 32GB on 4g last month (on my phone) and 80GB on WiFi last month (on my phone)
Think I used 40 or so GB more on the in car 4G probably
Home network was apparently only 1.51TB tx and 990GB tx
steel crag
Home network was apparently only 1.51TB tx and 990GB tx
home internet only one way?
steel crag
I just did a small check of my data usage, I used 32GB on 4g last month (on my p...
that would cost way too much here
steel crag
Vnstat keeps track on both ways
well it says tx and rx, you said tx and tx
clear ferry
Reminded me of my first mobile phone
Nokia 1610
Could only receive sms
Not send them
steel crag
my motorola Ultra Classic knew nothing of SMS
clear ferry
That one is still top of the line in Bahamas?
steel crag
lol clearly you know nothing of The Bahamas
folks here have the latest phones bro lol
I personally don't care to have the newest, I just 'upgraded' from my Galaxy S8+ to an S10+
but my kids got an iphone 14, or whatever the last one was
I wrote him out of the will for buying apple products
steel crag
Ive always avoided company policy in favor of having something I know works
but now I make the policy
clear ferry
The policy is just they only pay for a new one every two years
I used to replace yearly with the old policy
steel crag
my old company only gave $400 every 4 years for phone allowance
but somehow wanted you to change phones every 2
so I bought a $400 phone, and kept it lol
clear ferry
We usually replace laptop every three or four years, my last one lasted 5 though, but I used to replace every two years
steel crag
and only $500 every 2 years for laptops
I told them I'm gonna buy chromebooks
and just throw them out when im done
lol
clear ferry
My current laptop was $3200 
steel crag
my last new one was $2200
but that was 4 years ago almost
my current budget for a new laptop is -$1000
clear ferry
Yeah the old one was 2500, but that was in 2015
dusky plank
balmy bough
i like a good Raspberry Pi, they come in handy for some things. my standby generator monitor and HA "server" both run on a Rpi, just fine. but then, everybody is entitled to their own preference. 🙂
steel crag
🤮
sorry but I ran on a pi for a long time and booooyyy should I have switched long ago
balmy bough
what advantage would i have running HA on a rack server?
balmy bough
rack server, as i have a unused Dell Poweredge R200 kicking around
is there much advantage of switching from my Rpi to my R200?
steel crag
leaps and bounds difference going to even an old desktop
prisma briar
I'd personally avoid servers as old as the R200. It'll do more than your RPi but it's going to draw a ton of power to do it, it'll be noisy, and it won't really do much more than a more reasonable old desktop.
balmy bough
i have no income coming in, at the moment, so it is either the Rpi or the R200
prisma briar
An RPi 4 would give the 1950 a run for it's money performance-wise.
clear ferry
Those are easily replaced by any $100 desktop from AliExpress tbh
balmy bough
if i had $100...
prisma briar
If you don't have $100 then you don't have the money to power that R200, tbh.
balmy bough
i am not paying the power bills...
i am Autistic, and lost my job because of it. i live with my parents, currently
hmmm, my NAS has a Home Assistant plugin...
clear ferry
Plugin?
balmy bough
yeah, like a VM on TrueNAS-Core
it failed install though... gotta upgrade my TrueNAS OS
steel crag
i am not paying the power bills...
it would be cheaper for your parents to buy you a $100 desktop than to run an old server tbh
balmy bough
the TrueNAS server is already running anyway, thought it would kill two birds with one stone, but it failed to install the plugin
that's on an old PowerEdge R710 or R720 (can't remember model)
i doubt my parents would buy me a desktop... other than housing and utilities, i pay for my own projects (from odd jobs)
the odd jobs bairly pay my bills, so projects always take a back-seat
i will leave it on the Rpi for now, and maybe upgrade later
clear ferry
yeah, like a VM on TrueNAS-Core
Truenas core is... Eh, jails were great fun a decade ago, but docker makes more sense
Scale is... Fine, if you hate to be in control
balmy bough
it works for my needs for now
with 18+TB of data, i am not moving to a different setup for a while
clear ferry
You can easily migrate a truenas core setup to any Linux setup in less than an hour, without migrating data or losing data
balmy bough
how?
clear ferry
Reinstall the OS drive with debian, do zpool import _poolname_ and your data is back
Then share data however you will
balmy bough
Hmmm...
clear ferry
zfs is very portable
balmy bough
good to know 🙂
prisma briar
You should check out proxmox, too.
and ignore atx when he shits on it
Basically Debian + a management interface for running VMs.
prisma briar
You can do LXC and docker on proxmox no problem, too.
balmy bough
🤔
steel crag
just ignore atx in general
balmy bough
lol
hmmm, maybe when i can afford a newer desktop computer, i will redo my servers, and reduce to just the two. http/NAS/email and my FreePBX server
prisma briar
FreePBX runs great as a VM on Proxmox
The worst duty I've had at my current job was managing a FreePBX server.
Asterisk can go fuck itself.
balmy bough
runs fine for my needs. 🙂
prisma briar
You're not running it across three offices across the country with a combination of copper pots, sip, and skype for inbound calls.
balmy bough
all i use it for is handling my "business" calls, and personal voicemail. all over old POTS
prisma briar
We used pots for local and sip for international
balmy bough
sounds like a reasonable plan.
steel crag
lmfao
Asterisk is awesome
I used to love to use it to build custom conference bridges that have way more functionality than a $1,000,000 PBX
(and I have installed a few $1,000,000 PBX's)
I have FreePBX at home running my cisco ip phones
balmy bough
i have just two Polycom SIP phones, and a GrandStream cordless SIP phone 🙂
steel crag
shit that reminds me I have a cisco wireless phone someplace too
prisma briar
I mostly just never bothered to properly learn Asterisk's scripting language or flow so every time I had to do anything with it it was a fight.
steel crag
ahhh now we are getting to the root of the issue.... sloth. LOL
balmy bough
lol
prisma briar
Eh, I knew that setup was on it's way out when I was asked to manage it so I didn't put much effort into it.
It's all outsourced now.
I ran FreePBX at home for a bit too so HA could call/text out when alarms/doorbells got pressed
balmy bough
it can do that? Hmmm...
steel crag
now you can just call into the voice assistant which is nice
I'm gonna set that up ... eventually
gotta get internet at home back up and running first
prisma briar
When my doorbell rang it would call me and the people I live with and conference us to the camera above my doorbell
But the mic on that camera is pretty awful so it didn't work well
steel crag
When my doorbell rang it would call me and the people I live with and conference...
oh I have a doorphone
so that rings my hidden attendant when you press the button
so if I'm not home I can answer on my cell phone
prisma briar
Yea, mine would call me and say the doorbell has been rang, press 1 to conference in or 2 to ignore. When someone ignored it it'd hang up the call for everyone else.
And if they conferenced in I used that plugin to send the dtmf command to transfer the call to the conference line.
steel crag
well my son never answers the door or phones
so there's never a need for a conference lol
infact he never answers when I call him either 🤪
prisma briar
Nobody ever rings my door
steel crag
yeah same
prisma briar
Just Amazon and UPS
balmy bough
same here lol
steel crag
I wish, we don't get home delivery
prisma briar
I have my actual doorbell disconnected
Pressing the doorbell button triggers a zigbee relay that runs an automation to ping my phone
steel crag
Pressing the doorbell button triggers a zigbee relay that runs an automation to ...
while its disconnected? that's ... scary
prisma briar
My dog freaks out way less now
Hmm?
I have the doorbell button wired to the switch line on a zbmini
And the zbmini is just powered with a 5v power supply
They say they take 120v but they'll run off of basically any power you give them
steel crag
sorry I was reading too many things at once
I thought you had the button disconnected... I'm like what in the exorcist is going on at his house
prisma briar
Nah, the actual bell is disconnected
steel crag
yeah that makes more sense
prisma briar
I had the zbmini triggering it but it was annoying having to calm my dogs down every time Amazon dropped off a package
I was thinking of making an alarm/notifier to put in my bedroom though. I was thinking a piezo on an esp8266 and I'd make it sound if the doorbell rang or any of my smoke alarms go off
Since I can't hear the smoke alarms on the far end of my house from my bedroom
balmy bough
so, if i install Proxmox on my PowerEdge R710 (24 core, 64GB ram), could i still import my ZFS pool?
or would i still be better to just get a newer desktop at some point?
clear ferry
all i use it for is handling my "business" calls, and personal voicemail. all ov...
Let me tell you about Norway, POTS has been officially dead since 2017, not sold since 2009, and now we are pulling copper out of the ground
clear ferry
so, if i install Proxmox on my PowerEdge R710 (24 core, 64GB ram), could i still...
Yes
steel crag
Let me tell you about Norway, POTS has been officially dead since 2017, not sold...
well they are selling pots out the back of your modem here now
but you can get the SIP credentials from them if you wish
clear ferry
Yeah, we had pots via Linksys adapters on ftth in 2004
But I got rid of my pots line in 2011, because I hadn't had a call in 3 years, and the only one who called was my MIL
Or to be fair, my pots to IP adapter
Is what I got rid off
I haven't had physical pots since 2001
steel crag
well the adapter is built into the CPE nowadays
prisma briar
I haven't had a POTS line or phone since I moved out of my parents house in 2010. It's still available as a service though.
clear ferry
Yeah, I migrated my pots number to sip in 2004
prisma briar
Android's built-in SIP client is pretty nice.
clear ferry
But never really used it
steel crag
well being in telecom I've always had some form of voip
I still have some old H323 ATA's from linksys/net2phone but they took the service down 😦
clear ferry
Pap2T looks like the adapters we used to have
clear ferry
Think I threw out the one at my parents house in 2012 or something
clear ferry
Never seen that one
steel crag
2 Cisco ATA-186's and a 188
and a SPA232 and SPA302 DECT phone
oh and I have an IAX ATA too
clear ferry
Thankfully POTS and other stuff died very fast
mostly pensioners who used it after 2005
steel crag
I have a 2 port T1/E1 card for my asterisk PBX, just incase I wanna get funky too
steel crag
well I only used them when I lived in Sweden
clear ferry
SDSL was the norm from 2000 going forward for most, if not already connected to fiber
steel crag
everything is T-carrier on this side
steel crag
SDSL was the norm from 2000 going forward for most, if not already connected to ...
for voice, not data
clear ferry
voice over T\E1 ?
clear ferry
really, never heard of that, probably because it was dead tech already when I started reading about it
steel crag
really, never heard of that, probably because it was dead tech already when I st...
lmfao it's not dead tech tho
carriers still use T-1 tie trunks a WHOLE lot
steel crag
and it's pretty standard for voicemail systems to have them as backup
clear ferry
Y'all still use voicemail ?
steel crag
define use.
if you mean request, pay for, and never bother to setup... then yes
if you mean have it, never check the messages then yes people 'use' voicemail here.
clear ferry
mobile services still include voicemail here, but I never check mine, and hardly anyone leaves me a message anyway, maybe 1-2 per year
my old provider sent me the voicemail as a mp3 file to email in 2009-2015, that was probably last time I checked one
steel crag
I forwarded my unanswered mobile calls to a number that doesn't exist... so when the coverage activates it tells people my cell number doesn't exist
balmy bough
out of curiosity, anybody know how a PowerEdge T610 is on power consumption? i mean, if i can reduce all my servers down to just one...
clear ferry
I do like modern age with very little interaction, car service, online, new tires, online, order new internet provider, online, cancel any service, online
610 isn't great
but it is better than your 1950 and R200 combined
It's a full generation newer hardware
balmy bough
what about better than my R710?
clear ferry
610\710 is same gen
balmy bough
ok
clear ferry
so depends on what you have inside it
200\1950 is equivalent to G5 HP servers, which were released in 2006 istr
x10 is Equivalent to G6 \ G7 depending on CPU inside
balmy bough
so it would not be an upgrade from my R710
clear ferry
which are 2009 hardware
but also nehalem or newer
compared to the older nonsense CPUs
which are basically ewaste
balmy bough
maye i will reduce my 3 servers down to just my R710, to save power. and pay for it by selling the other servers on marketplace or something
*maybe
clear ferry
I ran on a 510 until last fall
it ran 4 VMs, 50TB of storage and 80 containers plus more fine
currently I run on a DL380 Gen9, equivalent to a R730, with 2VMs, 160TB storage and 80 containers and more
the server itself pulls about 180w average with 2x12c cpus and 128GB RAM
balmy bough
let me see if i can find what my R710 has for CPUs..
clear ferry
all storage and my lab server plus networking and router lands me at about 800w
balmy bough
says "Xeon(R) CPU X5670 @ 2.93GHz" X 24 cores in TrueNAS
clear ferry
Sounds about right
balmy bough
only 64GB ram though
clear ferry
I ran dual X5660s on my old 510
My Gen9 has dual E5-2620v3s
My lab server is a Gen8 with dual E5-2660v2s
balmy bough
Hmm, i mis-spoke before... my storage in it is 1.8TB, not 18TB... (slight difference) LOL
clear ferry
That is.... not a lot 😄
balmy bough
yeah, i know LOL
clear ferry
NAME SIZE ALLOC FREE CKPOINT EXPANDSZ FRAG CAP DEDUP HEALTH ALTROOT
Storage8TB 138T 42.4T 95.8T - - 2% 30% 1.00x ONLINE -
ohyeahmirrors 13.9T 269G 13.6T - - 0% 1% 1.00x ONLINE -
rustr1 2.17T 1.90T 282G - - 10% 87% 1.00x ONLINE -
i don't know why i thought 18TB
clear ferry
NAME SIZE ALLOC FREE CKPOINT EXPANDSZ FRAG CAP DEDUP HEALTH ALTROOT
Storage 36.3T 1.65T 34.7T - - 5% 4% 1.00x DEGRADED -
those drives i have are old though, i may want to see if i can back up the data and get newer drives...
clear ferry
Can get 10TB used enterprise SAS drives for €100 each these days
I run a dRAID pool of 20x 8TB SAS drives for my primary storage
balmy bough
this only holds 6 drives total
maye i need, first, to save up and get a backup drive for the transfer...
clear ferry
that is easily expandable with a SAS shelf
1.8TB ? just store it in the cloud
that is so little data
balmy bough
i don't have that much cloud... more of a foggy fart really
clear ferry
Cloud is everywhere
balmy bough
i know
clear ferry
jottacloud unlimited is 5TB before capping, costs about $8 per month
same for google drive, 2TB is about the same cost
backblaze is even cheaper
balmy bough
my google drive has 10GB... not playing with huge funds here 😉
tidal bronze
```
NAME SIZE ALLOC FREE CKPOINT EXPANDSZ FRAG CAP DEDUP ...
Never seen anything this. Simply wow
clear ferry
my google drive has 10GB... not playing with huge funds here 😉
Since google drive comes default with 15GB, that is impressive 😄
You've never seen zfs before @tidal bronze ?
balmy bough
oh, your correct, it is 15G LMAO
swift dirge
Things not to do: Run dedup with big files on a zfs nas, on spinning rust.
not without a special vdev, at least
tidal bronze
You've never seen zfs before <@331255319365812224> ?
Never seen, how frustration of isolation and staying inside 4 walls, 10 months of the year in TB. Interesting and cool.
clear ferry
dedup is fine, with special vdev yes
I just do compression though
might do dedup with my new SSD pool
swift dirge
"delete this 20TB of files please". "Ok, but I'm going to lock up and stop anything doing anything when I'm doing any file over a terabyte."
clear ferry
pulling in 32 2TB SSDs
swift dirge
running on 16TB spinning disks.
clear ferry
Yeah, my primary pool is rust
fast enough for anything I need it for
but I need a scratch place for playing around
swift dirge
I shouldn't have been deduping or compressing anyway. it was all backup so already compressed. And the likelyhood of dedupe was low. especially when some was encrypted
(dedupe kicks in after encryption on zfs)
balmy bough
there, between my laptop drive and my foggy fart (google cloud storage), i am getting backed up...
cleaning out my NAS server, so i can re-do it
kinda exciting, re-doing a server 🙂
clear ferry
I don't think I've redone my backup server since 2009
but my primary system has been migrated from linux to BSD to linux at two points between 2007-2021
tidal bronze
there, between my laptop drive and my foggy fart (google cloud storage), i am ge...
1.8 footprint only?
balmy bough
yes
tidal bronze
Running lean I would say 😀
balmy bough
yeah, big drives were out of my price range at the time
tidal bronze
Oh I was not referring to storage just actual data. Storage size means very little. 😆
balmy bough
storage size is 2TB
data is 1.8TB
mostly just raw gopro videos for my YouTube channel...
tidal bronze
Storing other people's content in TBs of data is kinda pointless. So you are running a lean operation 👍
balmy bough
just my own data, other than my website with forum
hopefully after all this, i can figure out Proxmox so i can get back up and running...
steel crag
to be fair untrained chimps could prolly figure it out
balmy bough
🤣
steel crag
it's nothing like Xenserver for example
balmy bough
Xenserver?
steel crag
yeah
balmy bough
i know of XenForo, but never heard of Xenserver...
steel crag
it's a hypervisor
steel crag
I had a Xenserver on my desk at my old job with an 11 year uptime
steel crag
<-- is just a self taught autistic geek 😉 🤣
pretty much the same, except trade autism for dyslexia and ADD
I do have a collection of certs tho but mostly self taught myself that stuff too
balmy bough
only cert i have is the SSL cert for my webserver 🤣
steel crag
oh boy
balmy bough
and i botched that a little
clear ferry
I am probably a high functioning austist to be fair
or some other spectrum diagnosis
I can learn mostly anything in an hour or two
steel crag
yeah that's an ADD/ADHD trait also
clear ferry
and I prefer working with multiple things at one time
the more customers I work with at once
the better I work
balmy bough
i don't do with customers, i don't like people 😉
steel crag
yeah same, I had triple monitors and 2 laptops
steel crag
i don't do with customers, i don't like people 😉
in IT, working with customers doesn't mean you have to see or speak to anyone
it's the general term we use when logging into machines
tidal bronze
i don't do with customers, i don't like people 😉
They are beautiful!
steel crag
I also do not like humans.
balmy bough
i know, i was tech support for Prudential Securities for a bit
balmy bough
funny thing is, i am a carpenter by trade. computers is just a hobby
steel crag
I hope cats take over the world, and keep me as a collaborator
clear ferry
I'm a tech geek for fun, for work, I just get paid to do my hobby
but I do carpentry for fun too
steel crag
but I do carpentry for fun too
same, me and another IT buddy just built a 16ftx18ft shed
balmy bough
pick up a hammer and drive a nail. if it sinks to the head, your a carpenter 😉
steel crag
ewwww hammers
tidal bronze
Lol. I am involved in loads of remodeling etc but I don't get to do it.
steel crag
like, use a screw gun and screws, what you think this is... The Oregon trail using nails?
im also a fan of joinery without having to use nails or screws
😉
balmy bough
what about remote jobs where there is no power yet, or power fails?
steel crag
what about remote jobs where there is no power yet, or power fails?
I live in The Bahamas, I expect there to be no power... I take a generator and cordless tools everywhere
I even have a 1500W inverter in my car
tidal bronze
I doubt many know how to even hold a screwdriver anymore. 😀
balmy bough
<-- does
steel crag
I still have a hand crank drill that was my grandpa's
so I don't need power tools even 😛
tidal bronze
Power tools a must now, to save time but sad the hand skills are dying. Oh well, life!
steel crag
well I keep them alive
I also still have grandpas old coping saws and chisels
but sadly don't have much time to play carpenter cuz I need to do all the shit I get paid to do first lol
tidal bronze
Haven't seen a chisel in ages.
steel crag
I have half a toolbox full
tidal bronze
Ever in doubt use an impact gun I guess.
The new tools they come up with is mind numbing to say the least.
balmy bough
iwish the batteries had a longer life. i have many $100s in batteries that will never take a charge again
steel crag
iwish the batteries had a longer life. i have many $100s in batteries that will ...
rebuild them
tidal bronze
Hilti or Milwaukee, end of story.
balmy bough
Makita, they have a chip in them
balmy bough
🙂
balmy bough
Hmmm...
tidal bronze
But why?
tidal bronze
Time is not
clear ferry
I just do stuff on company time and get paid to do other stuff 😄
steel crag
I even use the bathroom on company time so I don't have to do it on my time
tidal bronze
I just do stuff on company time and get paid to do other stuff 😄
That's sad
clear ferry
company pays me anyway, if I do other stuff when I have free time, perfect
then charge overtime when I have to work late
😄
tidal bronze
Common with people who hate their job
clear ferry
I love my job
tidal bronze
Or bad at what they do
clear ferry
my job is my hobby
tidal bronze
I haven't worked for anyone in 25 years I wouldn't know how to steal time. But sad to hear people dong that.
steel crag
I don't steal time LOL
steel crag
I'm self employed also
but somethings you can't exactly quantify in IT... when I get an idea at 3am, who pays for it?
clear ferry
tidal bronze
never gonna bother doing that nonsense
You gotta be able to walk the talk. Easy to lean on some blind US company to pay your dues but hard to actually do it.
balmy bough
<-- self-unemployed 😉
tidal bronze
Brilliant
steel crag
<-- self-unemployed 😉
self-employed sometimes means self-unemployed
tidal bronze
Hard truth
steel crag
works been slow AF here, now everyone seems to have remembered my number
and I can't even cut my grass in 4 weeks
tidal bronze
Good for you!
tidal bronze
There you go!
clear ferry
My calendar is mostly full these days, which is good, I'm tired of doing certifications and trainings
18 certs last year
5 so far this year
prisma briar
My company's attitude seems to be they don't care how many hours I work as long as stuff gets done. It's nice.
clear ferry
that is the way it should be
steel crag
My company's attitude seems to be they don't care how many hours I work as long ...
that used to be how it was at my old job
I would get a days work done before 8am and just do what I wanted the rest of the day
then they hired managers
tidal bronze
Epic
clear ferry
then they hired managers
EU managers understand how hours vs output works, US appears to not do
tidal bronze
I don't believe in time management. But if I had free time and someone else was paying for it, 💯 I am not doing something I love to do.
prisma briar
Yea, I've woken up at 3 AM, did all my work before sunrise and worked on personal projects for the rest of the day before.
steel crag
Yea, I've woken up at 3 AM, did all my work before sunrise and worked on persona...
cept I'd wake up at 6am, and work on 6-8 customers at the same time and be done by 8am with a full days time billed
clear ferry
Yeah, I've easily billed 35h of work in a single day
tidal bronze
How do you guys have free time? Is that a thing?
clear ferry
still have to wait for those processes to finish
steel crag
I was working 20 hours a week and billing 80 LOL
clear ferry
I have lots of free time
steel crag
How do you guys have free time? Is that a thing?
mostly after 8pm for me
clear ferry
actual hours worked is probably 20 per week realistic for me
steel crag
Ive been working 7 days a week for 4 weeks tho
clear ferry
the rest I spend with the kids and around the house
tidal bronze
Ive been working 7 days a week for 4 weeks tho
Doing that 20+ years
steel crag
well truthfully so have I, but normally I have some time to do shit... I've not had time at all recently
clear ferry
getting closer to my plan of moving rural and work 100% remote together with the wife now
she is also looking for 100% remote with her manager
get so much more done
and since most of my current projects are international it doesn't matter where I am located
steel crag
I think having to go to an office to work in IT, is pretty stupid
the 2 hours I'd sit in traffic I could do all the work I need to for the day
clear ferry
exactly
losing 4h of work every day
at least for me, I don't get up until 8am anyway 
prisma briar
I think I'm going to start calling our datacenter guys disk jockeys.
steel crag
disks are so 2010
1985*
clear ferry
yeah, I haven't seen a non all flash system since probably 2015
prisma briar
We still use spinners for our backups, that's it
tidal bronze
well truthfully so have I, but normally I have some time to do shit... I've not ...
Investments! 😆 you will have more time do more investing. Goal would be to make money while you are sleeping 😴
balmy bough
Hmmm, when i re-do my servers tomorrow... somewhere i gotta find a monitor keyboard and mouse to set it up... 🤔 forgot about that little detail...
balmy bough
never used it...
clear ferry
time to
clever mortar
Any form of LOM is damned handy
clever mortar
At least, if it doesn't use decade old Java crap
steel crag
oh no we have awoken the Tinkerer
clear ferry
I hate double meaning abbreviations
I know all the script kiddies just say IPMI, I prefer to say OOBM
prisma briar
Who really thinks lan on motherboard when they hear lom?
steel crag
Who really thinks lan on motherboard when they hear lom?
atx does
clear ferry
FLEXLOM = Flexible Lan On Motherboard
steel crag
OOBM can be serial too 😄
clear ferry
LOM in HPUX is the onboard cards
prisma briar
Is the flexible one on a bendy PCB or something?
steel crag
ahh the days of NIUX
clear ferry
iLO is serial too @steel crag
steel crag
iLO _is_ serial too <@650402293748858890>
yeah but I mean mostly on cisco stuff
balmy bough
do i need special software to connect to iDRAC?
clear ferry
Is the flexible one on a bendy PCB or something?
special onboard slot that connects directly to the systemboard instead of riser
tidal bronze
do i need special software to connect to iDRAC?
Nopes
prisma briar
iDracs can connect to a virtual serial port on the host if you ssh into the drac
clear ferry
x10 iDRACs is unfortunatly java bullshit
but there is an iDRAC container
just run that container on your desktop or whatever
prisma briar
There's been html5 interfaces back to the 12th gen iDracs
Or just use a server made after 2009
tidal bronze
Me like iLO over iDRAC
clear ferry
iLO is superior
prisma briar
Lenovo's TSM sucks, SuperMicro's BMC sucks more
clear ferry
especially with the restful api interface, that lets you create RAID configuration etc before even powering it on
and it will apply it after powering it on
great for remote deployment
same with firmware
prisma briar
You can queue actions like that on dracs too
prisma briar
Yea, I used it to schedule some bios setting changes last week
It was on an iDrac 9
clear ferry
yeah, we could schedule bios changes from iLO3, so 2009
prisma briar
Job queues is what they call it
clear ferry
but stuff like RAID config and changes to iSCSI config etc was 2015 I believe
prisma briar
Idk when it was added, I've only looked on newer boxes.
clear ferry
I used the bios stuff to deploy BIOS settings to 800 HPC nodes in 2011
was pretty sweet
making all nodes equal in two commands
steel crag
all nodes are created equal, just some nodes are more equal than others
clear ferry
yaaas queen
steel crag
yaaas queen
Orwell is rolling in his grave
clear ferry
steel crag
🤦♂️
🐖
solar zealot
is there some special sauce to mounting an nfs share into an lxc?
balmy bough
proxmox needs a subscription $$$?
would have been nice to know before installing it...
solar zealot
only if you want their enterprise repo stuff
lol
you just disable the enterprise repos and add the pve-no-subscription one
there is a script to disable the disclaimer aswell if thats what bothers you
balmy bough
ok...
late gate
does anyone know about a 1U rack with space for multiple 2.5 U2 drives?
clear ferry
Pretty sure most HPE servers from Gen9 forward have U2 or U3 support
how many slots depends on backplane
why mount it inside the container @solar zealot ? why not mount it to the host OS then map it to the container ?
I don't touch LXC though
solar zealot
why mount it _inside_ the container <@254608322391572481> ? why not mount it to ...
i supposed this would be the right way as its not something the host would need access to in its entirety
balmy bough
ok... it is not letting me import my ZFS pool
balmy bough
i am on the web interface, there was no iDRAC installed
clear ferry
web interface of what ?
prisma briar
proxmox. Click your server, click shell.
balmy bough
proxmox
solar zealot
i supposed this would be the right way as its not something the host would need ...
it seems like i would have needed a privileged container to begin with
works :3
clear ferry
then zpool import <poolname>
balmy bough
ok, i had to do zpool import -f Storage
clear ferry
probably because it wasn't exported on the original host
clear ferry
sure, scp it in
solar zealot
or use the upload in the web ui
clear ferry
yuck webuis
solar zealot
do you use arch btw 