the-water-cooler

[agile jewel]

Chaos?

Just give a hint.

[low harness]

I have no idea either

[dusky plank]

Oh boy

[clear ferry]

I remember building desktops

in 2009

the amazon logo looks better upside down though

frown baby

[umbral cliff]

Yes yes now you stick the hdmi cable up your arse and it creates an 8k video signal

[clear ferry]

I wish

I'll have to make do with 3x4k

[finite atlas]

can i get your old one?

free of charge, a donation for poor children (me)

[agile jewel]

I'd like that too

[dusky plank]

You already have a 6700 ? What do you do with 2?

don't think this will replace my trusty pi4 running HA

[finite atlas]

I dont?

[agile jewel]

I only have 3700

https://youtu.be/-jNKfFdItyo

[steel crag]

You have to beat me in a fight to the death

[subtle pasture]

I don't see a graphics card in that stack 👀

[last cedar]

@dusky plank is like, damn, I knew I forgot something 🤣

[steel crag]

You have 6700?

i7?

[subtle pasture]

In before someone builds an i7 6700 + RX 6700 machine just so they can confuse people

[low harness]

Hey. Haven’t seen you in a while. Reddit refugee?

Or do you just have an alert any time anyone mentions computer parts?

[subtle pasture]

Little bit of column A, little bit of column B

I've also been trying to find a new job. Like, I still have my current job, but money's getting tight and they aren't giving out raises. Woo inflation!

[steel crag]

send me an RX6700 and I can make it happen

[finite atlas]

sure, let my bring my funny zapper

[subtle pasture]

Sorry, no AMD products in this house newer than about 2010

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/woman-of-culture-gif-20099443

[steel crag]

there goes the neighborhood, ATX is here

[subtle pasture]

That's about the timeframe when AMD had managed to repeatedly screw me over on promised CPU upgrades. Gotta love having the correct socket for a newer CPU, but because the motherboard vendor won't release a BIOS update to support newer CPUs, you still have to buy a new board anyway...

It was also the timefreame when I had tried running Radeon cards, and the HD5000 and HD6000 series were both hot buggy garbage.

Jumpped ship to intel + nvidia. Not a single problem since. Even managed to do at least two CPUs in every intel motherboard I've had, which is more than I can say for AMD...

[clear ferry]

I still have wet dreams about durons without thermal throttling and removing the heatsink while running quake 3

[dusky plank]

I‘m not a gamer. My playstation satisfies that part

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/culture-man-of-culture-cultured-gif-10903367

[subtle pasture]

slips an Intel Arc A770 into the stack

I finally got my hands on an Arc graphics card, and I gotta say... intel is on to something with these. The card ultimately went into my Plex server to handle transcoding duty, but the gaming performance was quite good as well.

And it was a hell of a lot cheaper than getting a Quadro to do the same job 👀

I also appreciate that intel is targeting 250w max for their power envelope, rather than just going balls-to-the-wall on performance.

[dusky plank]

this case has rgb, but it will never get turned on

[finite atlas]

I completely skipped amd in those years. Terrible performance and powerconsumption.
But got my R5 1600 on release and upgraded it to a R5 3600 and could go up to a R9 5950X. AM4 is a decent platform.

[static schooner]

Every time I see that I think of the 68040

[subtle pasture]

I just run all my RGB set to soft white.

Solid black desk mat was a mistake. It's impossible to keep this thing clean...

Up side: You can run it through with the laundry.
Down side: Dirty again 5 minutes after you put it on your desk.

[static schooner]

With cats roaming around, no doubt

[dusky plank]

whats the important bios settings i ultimately neeeed with these newer intel gen cpus?

btw it turned on first try

Per p-core control, Per e-core control wtf is all this shit

[subtle pasture]

Make sure the automatic installation of Asus Armory Crate is disabled in your BIOS.

Otherwise it'll install Asus bloatware on first-boot

[dusky plank]

how convenient

[subtle pasture]

Welcome to big.LITTLE architectures. lol

You get to control how P(erformance) and E(fficiency) cores clock

By default, Asus sets all the power and thermal limits to "basically unlimited", so you're basically getting an overclock out of the box.

[dusky plank]

lol, it literally states "download and install bloatware"

will it though?, I only run debian. windows will only run in guest

[subtle pasture]

It's best to disable it. Security issues have been found with both Asus and Gigabyte's implementations of auto-install.

Also, update to the latest BIOS, before you do anything else. lol

[dusky plank]

roger that

[subtle pasture]

Mostly because BIOS updates will blow away most of your settings + saved profiles

So might as well update to latest now

[dusky plank]

biosupdate.exe fuck you windows

[subtle pasture]

You can just boot into the BIOS and run the update utility from there. It's built-in as a UEFI application.

It's on the "Tools" tab

[dusky plank]

yeah, guess I need the .cap for that

found, alright

[subtle pasture]

Also, if you're going to be running Debian, make sure you're on Kernel 6.0 or later. Older kernels don't play nice with 12th/13th gen.

Which basically means you're on Debian 12 (Bookworm) or bust.

[dusky plank]

you are right but I've seen performance comparisons between kernels and 5.x seems to actually run faster than 6. on these for now. maybe with less efficiency albeit

[subtle pasture]

The 5.x kernel has massive thread scheduling issues on 12th and 13th gen CPUs if E cores are enabled, is the problem.

So you wind up with wildly inconsistent performance.

5.19 smoothed it out, but 6.0 and later actually work correctly.

[clear ferry]

Mmmmmm kernel 5

What if this

Days of future past

[dusky plank]

Bios is updating LED Firmware

ain't nobody using them

[subtle pasture]

Oh, yeah, these Asus boards have a microcontroller onboard that controls the LEDs.

You'll see it attached as a USB device

There's an option in the UEFI to disable all RGB at all times, so you don't even need desktop software to turn it off. Handy, that.

[agile jewel]

Debian 12 is sexy

[finite atlas]

Debian Sid is fun

[clear ferry]

I've been running bookworm for months already

Great release

[subtle pasture]

Never liked Debian. I tend to stick with RPM-based distros... or eschew Linux entirely and run FreeBSD.

I was very, VERY happy when I could finally start running Fedora on my Raspberry Pi's rather than debian-based distros.

And now that Pi's are impossible to buy at a reasonable price, I've been getting LattePanda SBCs instead, which are intel-based, and can run FreeBSD 🎉

[clear ferry]

I did run slackware from 98-03, then debian til 2016, then 2 years of tumbleweed, and then back to debian for my production systems

For desktop i used to run Fedora core from 2002-2005

Then mostly Ubuntu from 10-20, and now popos

[subtle pasture]

I keep having this issue with Debian distros where they work fine until I need to run updates, then they break themselves beyond all hope of repair...

PopOS was probably the worst offender.

[dusky plank]

nice

[clear ferry]

Never had issues with debian since 2003 except when I compiled my own kernel and forgot some drivers

[clear ferry]

I run popos updates every week here since 2021, no issues yet

[subtle pasture]

I ran it for a while on my laptop. It somehow managed to break all USB and networking during an update.

That was like the 3rd time it had done something similar to that on that machine, so I gave up and shoved Windows 11 on it instead.

I was also getting incredibly poor battery life with PopOS. Like 3 hours or less on a battery that should last about 11 hours.

[clear ferry]

Really

I have 6-7h on my zbook

Unsure how that is compared to windows, never ran it here

[subtle pasture]

I'm back to getting 9+ hours with Windows on this machine. I'm pretty sure it's because Windows actually supports the graphics hardware in this laptop properly, while Linux just...doesn't.

So Linux leaves an entire discreet GPU spinning doing nothing.

Gotta love first generation switchable graphics weirdness.

[dusky plank]

39 containers and some VMs to migrate... fun

[clear ferry]

https://twitter.com/RayRedacted/status/1668284860639723522

Ray [REDACTED] (@RayRedacted)

As of June 12, 2023, Twitter API’s are exploitable so that your DM’s can be accessed by a third party with almost zero effort.

You should consider 100 percent of your DM’s to be burnt. And for gods sake pleas use Signal.

Likes

129

Twitter · Jun 12, 2023, 3:51 PM

[subtle pasture]

Twitter and Reddit are both on fire, Digg is still a smoldering trash heap... how's Slashdot these days?

The internet is rapidly approaching "screw it, we're going back to web forums and IRC"

[clear ferry]

Let's go back to BBS

Those were the days

[static schooner]

Newsgroups

[clear ferry]

Those are just full of warez now

[static schooner]

There was discussion there once upon a time

Like when I was in college in the early 90s

[dusky plank]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAQqrnX7BsM

[static schooner]

There were warez and porn, too, of course.

The hacker community at GATech was always annoyed that we only had access to the discussion (non-alt) groups even though all news traffic for the southeast went through our machine room

[clear ferry]

Usenet is basically all warez now

Great use for it

[prisma briar]

Been that way for 15 years

[subtle pasture]

There are still active usenet discussion boards, but you have to know where the hell they are

[static schooner]

I can do a Google search for my old college username and find old Usenet posts

The internet is forever

[clear ferry]

hacker42_

[subtle pasture]

Unrelated: New mouse is out for delivery. I've now written off Logitech, Razer, and Steelseries. Lets see how Glorious is.

This Steelseries Rival 310 is literally falling apart in my hand, and they force-upgraded the software from their original decent mouse applet to the bloated garbage that is "Steelseries GG"

[clear ferry]

I recently upgraded to the MX Ergo that I got for my birthday, it is smaller than the M570 but it behaves a lot better

[subtle pasture]

I yeeted all Logitech products from my life, lol

Tired of the hardware/software/driver issues.

Didn't seem to matter if it was a webcam, a mouse, or a racing wheel, there was always something that didn't work right...

[clear ferry]

Really haven't had much issues, had one mouse die years ago, Logitech sent me a new one free of charge

[subtle pasture]

No matter what I do, I can't get the feel right on Logitech mice, and even if I wanted to get used to that, I can't stand the software...

Logitech's software was already terrible, but it's rapidly getting worse as it tries to further clone Razer Synapse and Steelseries GG

[clear ferry]

I have never used the software tbh

Just use the default mappings

[subtle pasture]

So you've never run surface calibration or set your lift-off distance?

[clear ferry]

Nope

[subtle pasture]

Assuming your mouse supports those features...

That was the other issue I had with Logitech mice, the only ones with a decent feature set were horribly ugly / uncomfortable

"We gotta make it angular and gamer-ey with RGB shining through every crack"

"I just wanted independent X/Y DPI configuration..."

[prisma briar]

I got a Corsair mouse after my previous two SteelSeries ones died pathetically fast. It's been decent so far.

[subtle pasture]

I'm afraid to even look at Corsair's mouse software. lol

[prisma briar]

It's part of iCUE

[subtle pasture]

Oof...

Current iCue or legacy iCue?

[prisma briar]

Current I guess, I just got it a couple weeks ago.

[subtle pasture]

Depending on what mix of Corsair products you have, you might need to install both to control them all... and they don't like being installed at the same time.

[subtle pasture]

Peripherials are just a mess right now, it seems like

Can you set the DPI to 550?

Or are Corsair mice limited to 100 DPI steps?

[prisma briar]

Yea

[subtle pasture]

Which question was that answering? lol

[prisma briar]

I can set it to 550

[subtle pasture]

Good to know

[prisma briar]

Seems to accept any number 100-18,000

[subtle pasture]

My usual setup is "clone the IME 3.0 as closely as possible", which ran 550 DPi native.

Do the lighting effects actually save to the mouse, or does it go back into rainbow-vomit mode as soon as iCue is closed?

That's a big issue with current Razer mice. They literally won't hold your current RGB preferences in-hardware, they need Synapse 3.0 running.

Oddly, Razer's older Synapse 2.0 mice could save RGB preferences to the hardware...

[clear ferry]

You kids and your RGB

[subtle pasture]

I just want to be able to set a static color (white) and have it stay that way.

I've literally considered getting a mouse and immediately modding it by replacing the LEDs with white ones so it becomes physically incapable of fucking it up. lol

[subtle pasture]

Honestly, just give me peripherals with a bank of dip switches on the underside to configure them:

My keyboard has no software, only dip switches, and it's fantastic.

[clear ferry]

I do love dips

[static schooner]

Mmmm...dipping a sugar stick in powdered sugar

Memories of childhood

That kid didn't get fat all on his own

[clever mortar]

We had and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_Dip_(confectionery)

[clever mortar]

The only thing wrong with those was the liquorice

Of course, it probably have helped if I'd not gorged myself on liquorice at one point, and ended up hating it

[swift dirge]

That'll do it

How to tell the lik-m-aid is American. Grape. 😄

[clear ferry]

Mmmmm licorice

_computer, remind me to send more licorice to tinkerer for Christmas _

[swift dirge]

hands out the salty liquorice.

[static schooner]

It's called Purple, nothing grape about it 🙂

[clever mortar]

Remember a friend who was in the US and was offered a choice of jelly - one orange, the other green. When he asked what the flavours were he was told ||orange and green||

[dusky plank]

plx explain what is happening with reddit?

[static schooner]

In the announcements

[clever mortar]

It imploded

[static schooner]

And all over the rest of the platforms

[clear ferry]

How can you not have read anything about Reddit the last week

[clever mortar]

And has been all over most tech press for the last couple of weeks

[prisma briar]

Reddit went all scrooge and everyone else went REEEEEEE in response.

[static schooner]

It decided that Elon Musk had some good ideas.,.

[clear ferry]

#the-water-cooler message

[dusky plank]

Lol, nice

[static schooner]

next, sleeping in the office and getting summarily fired

the roadmap is out there for everyone to see

[dusky plank]

I already slept in a teams meeting a few months ago

I wonder if i snored, the mic was active and I was the only one left in the room

[clear ferry]

I often nap in teams meetings

99% of them could be a post it

[prisma briar]

I do too, but I mute my mic at least

[steel crag]

reeeeeeeeee re: Reddit

[prisma briar]

For a while I was stuck going to a development meeting for an hour every morning that 80% of the time I had literally no contribution to.

Just because they wanted a systems representative on hand to answer questions

I definitely slept through that a few times

[static schooner]

cameras spoil that

[prisma briar]

I always turn my camera off 5 minutes into a meeting, nobody has ever questioned it.

[static schooner]

I turn my camera on if I've taken a shower

[steel crag]

not if you play a looped video file to your capture device instead 😉

[prisma briar]

Sometimes I get scheduled for 7 AM meetings due to time differences, those don't get cameras.

[dusky plank]

They gave us stickers to black out the cams, so we use them

[prisma briar]

I just don't open my laptop lid

[steel crag]

I used electrical tape, I cut the circle the exact size of the camera

so now it doesn't even look like I have a camera

[dusky plank]

i have 2 identical m2 ssds laying around which i want to have in raid1 for use in debian

give advice

[steel crag]

do it

or conversely, pack it all up in the boxes you got it in and ship them to me

[dusky plank]

how to start

[subtle pasture]

I usually advise against software RAID for NVMe SSDs, because it tends to actually slow things down. RAID 1 is like the sole exception to that. lol

[dusky plank]

yes

[subtle pasture]

That said, unless you have some pretty strict uptime requirements, you might be better off configuring both NVMe drives as storage + configuring backups to a large/cheap hard disk.

[clear ferry]

Lvm works fine in Debian, even option during install

Is what I do for my production system, two nvme

[dusky plank]

they are slower gen 4

i want to use them as data disks

[subtle pasture]

LVM is great, the issue with NVMe drives in RAID is that pretty much all solutions for RAIDing them result in worse performance for low queue depths and small files sizes vs. a single drive.

[dusky plank]

so what do I do?

[clear ferry]

I don't care too much about the performance tbh, it's the os drive, and it is still running circles around a dual ssds

[subtle pasture]

You really only RAID NVMe drives when you need uptime, or you need capacity + sequential I/O

[dusky plank]

i want them to be failsafe

thats it

[clear ferry]

They don't replace backups

[subtle pasture]

That's why I suggested a backup over RIAD :-p

Far more utlity in that

[dusky plank]

I already back them up

I just don't want to have corruption messages bugging me while im 3000 km away

[clear ferry]

What will you use them for?

What kind of data

[subtle pasture]

RAID won't necessarily fix corruption, for that you'd need a modern file system with bit-rot prevention.

[dusky plank]

tv recordings, jellyfin cache, linux isos, frigate cache, graylog, etc etc

data

[subtle pasture]

Aside from the Jellyfin cache, all of that sounds like hard-disk fodder to me.

[clear ferry]

So, a zfs mirror then

Or heck, even two drives mapped into a single folder structure

[dusky plank]

that sounds good

[clear ferry]

With dedicated paths

[subtle pasture]

A ZFS mirror is a nice way to go if your OS supports booting from it, and you can handle the CPU overhead.

[clear ferry]

He's not booting

So that shouldn't be a problem

[dusky plank]

my boot nvme is pcie 5

[clear ferry]

I love zfs, I hate zfs boot, so I opted for LVM for my boot

[subtle pasture]

Honestly, any NVMe drive of PCIe 3.0 spec or higher is fast enough for 99% of desktop use cases.

The only real utlity in PCIe 4.0 and 5.0 drives is the fact that you can run two or four times more of them by running them at 4.0 2x or 5.0 1x with the same bandwidth as 3.0 4x.

Being able to run 8+ drives is pretty sweet

Maybe once drives get fast enough to use the additional bandwidth (outside of burst/sequential/high QD workloads) there will be a bigger reason to upgrade to Gen5 drives, but as it stands, I'd rather run an Optane 905p SSD as my boot drive.

[clear ferry]

I should try to get hold of some ssds with capacitors

[last cedar]

Just stop having shit electric 🤣

[clear ferry]

Hey, I don't live in murica thank you!

[subtle pasture]

pats UPS

[last cedar]

Yeah, damn, I forgot you lived in a civilised country

[subtle pasture]

I think I'm up to six or seven 1500 vA UPSs in the house, now...

[last cedar]

I have missed a 2200VA and a 3000VA unit, I get so excited when the show up online

And then the seller never answers.... not at all frustrating

[subtle pasture]

Heh, I run an entire 12U server rack full of hardware off a 1500vA. What're you running that needs 3000?

[last cedar]

Am thinking of having fridge, freezer/s, ventillation system and furnace room on the ups to handle switching over to backup power

Not that we have power cuts, but you never know

[subtle pasture]

Gooood luck. lol

[last cedar]

|| and it is very cool to play with stuff ||

[clear ferry]

Oh right, racoon lady lives in a developing country

[subtle pasture]

UPSs tend to not like powering large appliances

The inrush current from a laser printer will trip their OCP, let alone a fridge <_<

[last cedar]

Only thing I would worry about is the compressor on the fridge and frezers

Yeah exactly!

I haven't tested the theory

[clear ferry]

Classic racoons, never testing theory

[subtle pasture]

I know for a fact the 3000 vA ones can't handle an air conditioner... the maintenance guy found that out the hard way at my last job

A/C went out in the server room, so he wheeled a stand-alone air conditioning unit in there and plugged it into the UPS

[last cedar]

Hey, there are only so many hours a day I can go on heists, I never get time to test theories

[subtle pasture]

Hit the power button on the A/C unit, the whole rack powered down and started beeping <_<

"It's a little warm in the server room" turned into "SITE DOWN" real quick that day

Dude was a certified electrician, too... he just didn't think about the implications of connecting a 1500w A/C unit to a UPS that was already driving 1000w of equipment off a 20A outlet.

[last cedar]

Probably can do a 1500VA on the rest then, I think the ventillation system is about 100W, the furnace pulls 500W when lighting the pellets (like 1 minute per burn, a full cycle from cold (60C to 80C pulls 160Wh)

[subtle pasture]

Nominal current isn't usually the problem. The inrush current during power on or state change is what'll trip OCP out of nowhere.

[last cedar]

My rack has another ups, got 4 others dotted around (750 to 1000VA)

[last cedar]

That is a major oof :/

[subtle pasture]

He exceeded the capabilitiees of the UPS, the outlet, and the circuit breaker, all at the same time. lol

[steel crag]

I've got a 2200VA just doing my router, cable modem, NAS and cameras

1500VA on each of my TV's and my computer

and a 7.5K generator 😛

[subtle pasture]

What's real fun is shoving a Network Managenet Card in each of them so you can monitor and control your UPSs from HomeAssistant 👀

APC Network Management Card 2's are like $30 now.

[steel crag]

"tell me you live in a 3rd world country, without telling me you live in a 3rd world country"

[subtle pasture]

The nicer UPSs offer per-port entergy monitoring and per-port control.

But you'll get whole-unit energy monitor + port group control, at the very least.

[steel crag]

yeah I don't need any of that for my TV's just need them not to have shit power going in

the PC is plugged into the UPS and so is my NAS

so I can control both of those if need be

[subtle pasture]

I think the only place I'm using the per-port control in my setup is on my cable modem. I've got an automation that determines if the internet is down, and power-cycles the modem's port on the UPS if it's down for more than 15 minutes (limited to one run every 30 minutes).

Could have used a smart plug, but that UPS acts as a bank of 8 smart plugs with energy monitoring, so 🤷‍♀️

[steel crag]

I do that with a smart plug for my NVR

[sterile fractal]

This guy needs Home Assistant:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfiIXooD77s&t=114s

[subtle pasture]

Wall damn, I guess Glorious mice are a no-go as well. Just got a Glorious Model D in the mail, and setting it to display "solid white" results in this flickery mess

Slow-mo at 1/8th original speed to make the problem more visible on camera. It's honestly worse in-person and in real-time.

Back in the box it goes!

I have a Steelseries Rival 310 on the desk next to it set to the same color/brightness, and there's no detectible flicker from it (not even on slow-mo recording)... so it's certainly possible to do this better than Glorious has.

[steel crag]

all hardware donations I can provide shipping details for

[prisma briar]

You might be too picky, tbh.

[languid sluice]

Any linux geniuses here? Have a question I'm curious about totally unrelated to HA.... What is the mechanism that allows the UI to have a button that can shutdown the system but in a terminal I need to be a superuser? Does the UI run as a superuser?

[glacial knot]

in modern sytsems that's usually handled by systemd's logind
Which does run as superuser. But offers an API (via system dbus) that the unprivileged application (your UI) can use to shut down

with that specific approach, systemd also does some magic to differentiate between single user systems (most desktop setups) where the currently loggd in user is just allowed to do things
And multiuser systems (shell boxes/servers) where it will still ask for root credentials

which distro are you on? If it's a systemd one, you can try running systemctl poweroff in the terminal to test that. It should at most ask for your current user password (usually twice)

[languid sluice]

I see! Thank you so much.

I've been curious about that one

I'll read into systemd

To answer your question I typically use CentOS, Debian, FreeBSD and raspi

[glacial knot]

debian and the raspi are on systemd
centos is RHEL iirc, so that should be as well

BSD is going to work a bit different, but the core concepts are likely the same
Some privileged (hopefully minimal...) service is running in the background that offers an API for tasks considered "normal" computing that the UI can access.
The UI itself then runs unprivileged since it's rather complex and probably easier to abuse.

Alternative is something called a setuid binary, which can be executed with specific (usually root, i.e. superuser) privileges by anyone. I think some systems had the poweroff binary like that, since it's ok for single user systems. Just a major pain for multi-user

[languid sluice]

Ya know that makes so much sense now that you say it. It's one of those things I think about when I cant sleep or when Im showering haha. Really appreciate the knowledge. Thank you

https://0pointer.net/blog/the-new-sd-bus-api-of-systemd.html

Pretty well written explination of what you were talking about. Cool.

[glacial knot]

Lennart's blog^^ he's the founder of the systemd project

[languid sluice]

Sounds like I found the perfect source!

Just curious, what do you do for a living that makes you immediately recognize the founder of systemd?

Just seems like such a niche thing to me

[glacial knot]

My (slightly informal) title is OS Engineer

I interface a lot with systemd in both my professinal job and the stuff I do open source/homelab style.
I recognize the Lennart's domain because I often stumble into his blog when I need to read up on something. Either to use systemd correctly, or implement a similar feature on the kernel interface

also, Lennart is kinda famous 😂 He's the founder of 3 projects (that I know on top of my head) that all solve actual problems but are "ugly" in some way and lead to a lot of flamewars. That I might have participated in years ago whistle
pulseaudio was great when it works, but got a lot of (justified) flack for being horribly written o.0
avahi is actually good at what it does, people just hate mdns/0-conf
And systemd is systemd. Huge improvement on service management and startup, but people love to hate how much ends up in pid1 (and logind to some degree)

Another blog I read a lot (though don't follow) because it's very good and informative is https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/
Which is more focused on security related topics in practice

[languid sluice]

Oh very neat. I am actually familiar with all 3 of his projects. Spend a bunch of time screwing with avahi on my pfsense box trying to get my chromecasts to work across VLANs

Pulse audio I remember screwing around with when I was trying to optimize my audio output because I got some fancy headphones. I do remember it being super wonky.

[glacial knot]

ohh, thanks for pointing out that it has the reflector feature

now I just need to see if systemd-resolved also does that 🤔

[languid sluice]

Also the blog you sent looks right up my alley. Saving this one. Thanks. I do love privacy related info.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAOOdYsK7MM

[glacial knot]

Like said, I mainly know it from researching topics and finding good articles^^
Stuff like TPM or secure boot deepdives

[languid sluice]

^not really related to what we're talking about but the first article in that blog is about twitter and I just watched this defcon talk. It's a fun watch.

What are your thoughts on WhatsApp? Do you trust its encryption?

[glacial knot]

Afaik the crypto itself is good and lifted from signal
Though iirc they have multiple features that effectively break it (amongst others backups) via a "side"channel
And I never looked into their key exchange which I think runs over their servers

In practice I use it since I got family onto WA back when it was ~1€/a subscription
But I wouldn't use it for anything that needs to be secure

[subtle pasture]

My other peripherals don't flicker visibly, this one shouldn't either 🤷‍♀️

Peripheral vision (where a mouse tends to live when using it) is even more sensitive to flicker than central vision, so skimping on the LED PWM frequency on a mouse is a pretty terrible idea.

[finite atlas]

if its a garbage product, back to the manufacturer it goes

you guys and your little toy ups's
just ups your whole house, its probably even cheaper

[forest edge]

uh.. no

[finite atlas]

uh.. yes

how much do you spend on those crappy ups's ?

[forest edge]

maybe if you live in a shed

[umbral cliff]

Most likely less than an entire house battery

[clear ferry]

I'd have some issues with a whole house ups with my 3500kw average in winter and 17000kw peaks

[glacial knot]

Only if you are brave enough (and dislike insurance enough) to do it your DIY way D:

Or have a good solar installation I guess

[clear ferry]

We don't do solar banks here

[glacial knot]

I highly doubt you pull 17MW peak

[clear ferry]

We put it in a virtual bank

Scratch the k, old habit

[finite atlas]

its solvable

[finite atlas]

i infact do dislike insurances costing more than they save

[glacial knot]

with the right chemicals, even atx is (dis)solveable

[clear ferry]

Good luck

Can't dissolve hate

[glacial knot]

that's sort off their business model, yes

for the vast majority it's a sink, but those that need it would be utterly fucked without

[finite atlas]

just dont need it, its that simple

[glacial knot]

like seatbelts 😂

[finite atlas]

you are ill and live in america? just commit toaster bath to save your family the cost of a hospital bill

easy solution, duh

[glacial knot]

get a divorce so you can get govt aid without ruining your partner D:

[finite atlas]

just never marry legally

[tidal bronze]

Makes little sense, what kinda insurances do you pay for?

[finite atlas]

Only the ones, i'm legally required to in germany. Health insurance, jobless insurance and pension insurance, that sort of stuff.
Other than that, none.

[tidal bronze]

Oh ok. So you really don't carry "insurance" 👍

[clear ferry]

You are legally required to have health insurance in Germany?

Not to mention job insurance

I am not legally required to have any, except if I have a car I'm required to have some level of insurance

[finite atlas]

yup, it gets automatically withdrawn from your income

[glacial knot]

Yes
But it's essentially just a weird way to implement a purpose bound tax

Health, retirement, unemployment, social
I'd have to check my paycheck if that's all

The are deducted by the employer together with the income tax

And the only one that even has a provider option is health. And the differences are minor

[prisma briar]

They tried forcing people to have health insurance in the US by hitting them with a tax at the end of the year if they didn't but it got struck down as unconstitutional.

Something about the way the tax was applied

That part was kind of bullshit anyways, uninsured people aren't the problem, the whole system is.

At least in the US. I assume other countries are happier with their systems.

[young sigil]

Eh. Australia's Medicare is a bit like the UK's NHS. It works a bit. Underfunded and over worked. We're pretty much forced into paying for third party health insurance as well. If you don't then you get taxed at a higher rate depending on age.

[umbral cliff]

Though the private health insurance doesn't cover your average doctors appt usually, its mainly for hospital

[glacial knot]

interesting. Here hospitals are one of the few that won't bill you directly, even if you are on private and not subsidized insurance

mostly because their bills are usually above what people have in available money o.0

[clear ferry]

We just pay $15 or so per doctor or hospital visit, until we reach $200 then it is free for the rest of the year

[finite atlas]

i pay 10€ per day i'm in the hospital, until it reaches 30 days a year
normal doctors are usually free

[swift dirge]

The NHS, at least for now, while not perfect is a pretty decent service (while it's not being starved of people and money. Brexit has made hiring and retaining staff a bit of a nightmare.) (and costs the tax payer approximately what medicare/medicaid costs the tax payer in the USA. per capita. not people covered.)

[steel crag]

Only way to get free health care here is to not be from here.

[dusky plank]

creating a zfs volume results in a mountpoint in / - which is of course empty

what happens if I store data there?

[harsh heath]

I am the smartest

I put my credit card and my phone into the same pocket

I don't have a credit card anymore

[clear ferry]

You want to set the mountpoint to somewhere sensible, also you can change it on the fly

[dusky plank]

i created it inside proxmox so I leave it as is

[clear ferry]

Yuck

[dusky plank]

but it won't hurt the array if I just put data in that mountpoint right?

[clear ferry]

No

[dusky plank]

perfect

[willow sundial]

anyone know a good channel(s) for IoT teardowns? I'd like to find a teardown of the Wyze Lock but I donno where to look

[umbral cliff]

What shitty credit card do you have that does that

[harsh heath]

the one that gets pulled up when you're fetching your phone from your pocket

[clear ferry]

[harsh heath]

I'm talking silly

I dropped it

anyway..

Biscuit has the hiccups

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OF3icemRJc

[clear ferry]

https://youtu.be/0mGhhdPgXG8

Excuse me

[forest edge]

@last cedar see you should obsess over squirrels instead of racoons. https://youtu.be/hRiRyopVm6Q

[swift dirge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTvS9lvRxZ8

[shadow prawn]

Well that escalated quickly

[steel crag]

89.1F realfeel at 5am..

summer is nearly here

[clear ferry]

86 here today

[umbral cliff]

Since when would you ever touch farenheight
6c feels like 1c here though, cold

[clear ferry]

Just to please Mr Caribbean

[umbral cliff]

Ah
In that case 43f feels like 34f

[clear ferry]

We have forecast of 30c for the next week plus

And no rain in sight

And no rain for the last 4 weeks

It's dry baby

[umbral cliff]

I'm jealous

Swap?

[clear ferry]

Sorry no, ain't got time for Barbies and Roos

[umbral cliff]

It's too cold for a Barbie

[glacial knot]

Btw. I flew over (well, close to) you on Monday atx

[umbral cliff]

When did you grow wings

[umbral cliff]

Is that heat warnings for 30c?

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/red-bull-gives-you-wings-red-bull-gives-you-wings-red-bull-air-mail-air-mail-gif-20480750

[glacial knot]

on Sunday in Naha. Sadly I had to give them back in Munich

[clear ferry]

Forest fire warning

[umbral cliff]

Damn

[umbral cliff]

Must be hot then

[clear ferry]

We have daily forest fires around the country now

[umbral cliff]

That's bad

[dusky plank]

huh

I moved the pc and now my zfs is destroyed

[glacial knot]

o.0

[dusky plank]

failed to start zfs-import

hardware raid here I come

[glacial knot]

good luck

[dusky plank]

pretty sick of all of this, I just want to have a mirrored disk

and I somehow always end up in a situatio I have no idea how to recover from

f these raid systems

[steel crag]

33.7C here now Atx at 845am LOL

[bright cave]

Anyone else notice ec2 spot prices have been going absolutely insane the past few months?

[clear ferry]

I have yet to have zfs die in 8 years

And I just don't take care of it

[agile jewel]

Bruh. ChatGPT might be dumb to write code for you with bad prompt... Buts it's hella good refactoring already existing code to fit certain coding styles. Like if your code is trash for HA team to be Platinum rated, just pop it into chatGPT and call it a day lol

Though it makes my 50 line functions into a 100 line class with a constructor 🤷😂

Ik 50 line function is very bad. I'm ashamed

[finite atlas]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/874831932461039728/1090079583870648360/caption-6.gif

[elder patrol]

@finite atlas, don't remind me...

Haha

[finite atlas]

You are in this picture and i like it.

[dusky plank]

java.sql.SQLException: Unknown system variable 'transaction_isolation'

help

things I tried: press F1

[finite atlas]

Try throwing it into a fire pit and go back to the hunter and gatherer lifestyle.

[elder patrol]

This is the only way.

[dusky plank]

omfg do I actually need mysql/mysql and can't use mariadb

[steel crag]

Lol

[dusky plank]

you ever seen this 💩 ?
java you so funny

[clear ferry]

Do you break everything you touch?

[dusky plank]

this way it works

[dusky plank]

yes

[clear ferry]

Yuck guac

[dusky plank]

guacamole best

[clear ferry]

Disgusting

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-punch-gif-21749518

[tidal bronze]

@forest edge Gavin got some facts for ya

[swift dirge]

Fox, such a terrible 'news' channel. so partisan. (see the recent root canal thing.)

[steel crag]

Watch the news, be misinformed.

🤪

[finite atlas]

watch no news, live a happy life

[steel crag]

Exactly

[green inlet]

I couldn’t agree more. News in the US has become more about anything but the actual truth.

[tidal bronze]

News is bad for your health 😅

But facts are facts 😀

[last cedar]

I would like a news channel that is just facts, but like the normal news channels it would be so depressing

Best just to go steal doormats and pretend there isn't anything going on

[static schooner]

They might have newspapers on them

[glacial knot]

Raccoon facts, or general facts?

[glacial knot]

Free blankets?

[dusky plank]

How much is the 🐟

[last cedar]

Mostly raccoon facts

[last cedar]

like this raccoon fact

[finite atlas]

Woah, thats a new one i did not know before!

[low harness]

Not with that attitude.

[dusky plank]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/700543047783546891/1118239802500853780/tumblr_rvlruyWWLW1z7vdm4.mp4

[last cedar]

It only says most, not all 😉

[last cedar]

sad raccoon noises

[low harness]

Reminds me of this

[swift dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-cute-cotton-candy-wash-dissolve-gif-17832451

[static schooner]

what is that white blob? Kinda looks like styrofoam, but not if it sinks like that

[swift dirge]

it's candy floss

(cotton candy for Americans)

https://www.theverge.com/23744526/smart-home-assistant-how-to-automation

which is why I have converted my smart home to Home Assistant, the home automation solution for true freaks.

[ebon knoll]

I saw they were doing a home automation series but their intro article only mentioned HA as an "expert option" or something, didn't think they'd do a deeper dive on it, cool

[static schooner]

ah, totally went over my head earlier

I'm used to it being red or blue or some bright color

[forest edge]

what fact is that? that floridians hate californians and vice versa? lol plus that .3% against "red states" which I don't know what he's refering to on that is him using the numbers of comparing a direct replacement of one "working" california vs an incoming homeless

like boasting about a population boom even though that population increase is non working citizens

[steel crag]

So what you want is a database of current events

Because 'news' is never new, or informative

[tidal bronze]

@forest edge I know numbers are confusing to some, but they are still numbers. 😀

[topaz dew]

How would you even know this though

I cannot prove with any certainty that any given raccoon does or does not know how to fly a helicopter

[steel crag]

Long days work

[tidal bronze]

All lies. Saw one on a twin jetpack, grabbing a double double at the In N Out down the street. But didn't get fries, animal style, strange!!!!

[umbral cliff]

https://9to5google.com/2023/06/15/google-domains-squarespace/

Cue another one bites the dust, except googlefied

Already been added to killedbygoogle.com

[steel crag]

what no one gave me crap for my island beer, is this thing on

[static schooner]

it does look kinda like watered down urine, but I thought I'd wait for you to finish it before commenting 🙂

or maybe you did and that's what it is

[agile jewel]

Unfun facts XD

[last cedar]

not raccoon approved

[last cedar]

I need to step up my game, jetpack sounds like a great way to get around

[forest edge]

since you like numbers so much lol https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/articles/states-with-the-most-homeless-people

[dusky plank]

its frigate friday, show off your cutest birbs

[swift dirge]

https://i.imgur.com/a8wTrZZ.mp4

[swift dirge]

I like (european) magpies 😄

(australian ones appear to be a bit psycho)

[steel crag]

of course you wait till I'm asleep lol

[tidal bronze]

USnews? LMAO. Reminds me of the movie Conjuring

[steel crag]

lmfao

I was thinking more like Loony Toons

[forest edge]

pick your flavor. well known facts tend to be posted everywhere except in california apparently rotf

[tidal bronze]

Go talk to Gavin. Nothing to see here 😀

[forest edge]

sure, when i want to hear fibs and bs i'll go talk to your hero lol

[steel crag]

https://tenor.com/view/all-wrapped-up-dwayne-johnson-the-rock-seven-bucks-its-all-covered-up-gif-25303018

[tidal bronze]

Is the LG gram any good?

[forest edge]

lg laptops are shit

[steel crag]

phew I thought he was asking about something else entirely

[forest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/telmo-coca-harina-raquetaso-esnifar-gif-25660568

[tidal bronze]

So what's good now and lightweight?

[clever mortar]

Depends on what you want, but I like my Lenovo Yoga

[forest edge]

i still like the dells

lenovo is ok, they just proprietary the shit out of everything it seems

[clever mortar]

Eh, all the connectors are standard, I don't care about the internals I'll never touch

[tidal bronze]

I7 32GB 1TB with 5G wwan

[clever mortar]

It uses USB-C PD for power and connectivity, which is important to me

[forest edge]

till something needs replacing

[clever mortar]

By that point I'll just buy a new one as it's probably 8 years old 😛

[tidal bronze]

@clever mortar Yoga comes with Pro.?

[clever mortar]

No idea what the current generation has

[forest edge]

new laptop every 8 years.. getting to close to phone status lol

that would suck to have to replace your pc every 2 years recommended

[prisma briar]

We moved away from Yogas at work. The screens broke really often compared to other laptops.

Haven't used the last generation or two though

I just got a Surface Pro for my personal portable device, I'm happy with it.

Well, not just, I've had it about two months now.

[glacial knot]

Do they run acceptable with Linux these days?

[clever mortar]

No idea, I'm running Windows 11 on mine

I have enough software that's Windows only that Linux wouldn't make sense

[glacial knot]

I wouldn't be allowed to access the fun things from windows 🤷

[dusky plank]

how do you like the "contrast" setting of your laptop? of which there is no setting in windows to turn off. and the registry key setting it gets overwritten every update?

"contrast" - as in turning brightness to 900% even in dark rooms. all the time

you open a blank white page in a browser and your computer goes boom - there you have it, take the full brightness

[prisma briar]

Not sure what you mean, I've only ever noticed the brightness sometimes resetting to zero when I connect external monitors.

[umbral cliff]

You mean brightness? Like automatic brightness adjustment?
Windows has a setting to turn that one off

[dusky plank]

no. no idea if they still do but surface laptops adjust what they call "contrast"

its just brightness but wants to adapt to the displayed content

and you can't adjust it, except registry

ohoh

windows 11 has a setting for that

they did not at the beginning

but yeah, gen4 can't even update to 11 with an i7

[umbral cliff]

That might be an intel graphics setting too

Pretty sure they have dynamic contrast there

The intel control panel if installed can change that

[dusky plank]

it couldn't on mine

so rip eyes

[prisma briar]

I have a gen 9 Surface Pro

[subtle pasture]

That just sounds like literally every monitor with "adaptive contrast"

Works a lot better with local dimming zones. It's pretty terrible when it's whole-backlight adaptive

[dusky plank]

I hate it thanks

[prisma briar]

Maybe try adding a custom permission rule to the registry key to deny 'Set Value' for 'Everyone' ?

In regedit: Right click on key (folder) -> Permissions -> Advanced - > Add -> Choose 'Everyone' under Principal, Choose 'Deny' under Type -> Show Advanced Permissions -> Check 'Set Value'

Don't do it on any keys that look important though

[clear ferry]

All of them

https://tenor.com/view/bobs-burgers-louise-belcher-evil-laugh-fire-flames-gif-4453998

[subtle pasture]

Or just set a scheduled task to re-implement the registry change every boot

Scheduled tasks persist across Windows updates, even major ones. Registry permissions might get reset.

[harsh heath]

Fuck me for thinking Google would be reliable and buying my domain from them

Appearently Google Domains is shutting down (sold to Squarespace)

I should've gone with Cloudflare

[subtle pasture]

You can migrate them to Cloudflare pretty easily. That's what I did 🤷‍♀️

[harsh heath]

I can't transfer my domain though no?

I really liked my domain name .-.

Uggh I'll have to set up everything from scratch again

[clear ferry]

You can

Unless it is a TLD cloudflare doesn't support

[subtle pasture]

My domains were originally purchased on GoDaddy. I migrated them to Google Domains, and then off to CloudFlare after the recent news about Squarespace taking over. lol

So yeah, as long as you aren't using a funky TLD, you should be good

Your existing domains will be automatically migrated to Squarespace if you do nothing.

[finite atlas]

too bad cloudflare does not offer .de domains

[agile jewel]

I hope cloudflare doesn't killing their products to "streamline their focus"

https://joke.dad

Too bad i didn't buy any good domains to resell 😦

[prisma briar]

I've had my domain with them since 2007, so yea, a little over 9 years old.

Google Domains was a reseller for enom before they became a full registrar.

[dusky plank]

y'all need some happy traveler

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-funny-catnip-gif-24498110

[harsh heath]

its just .com so should be fine then 😅

[clear ferry]

Yes

[harsh heath]

Great news

[umbral cliff]

I've got a .one and a .dev. that I can't migrate to cloudflare, so irritating

[steel crag]

What did we learn

[subtle pasture]

Avoid funky new TLDs for as long as possible. lol

Everyone went ahead and blocked all name resolution for .zip and .mov domains, right?

[steel crag]

I forgot, thanks for the reminder

reminds me of the meme ICANN has .sex

reminiscent of the "I can has bucket"

[umbral cliff]

I only use it for internal stuff anyway lol

But .one isn't really funky and new, it's almost 10 years old
.Dev is only about 4 yet CloudFlare has it on their to do list

[steel crag]

we have the best TLD in the world

.bs

this is where the old farts hang

[agile jewel]

Where did u buy

My surname is showing up as "premium" domain 🙃

Since when is that a thing?

ICANN saw how much resellers make so they jumped on the train to reserve domains for themselves and make even more money?

How can I search all TLDs for a certain name and only lost out those that are not taken + their prices?

Godaddy lists the taken ones as well as "modified" names by adding letters at the end

Or many list out all TLDs and when you click "buy" only then show "already taken"

[umbral cliff]

Originally from Google domains
Looking to migrate some to an Australian reseller

Also pretty premium just shows up if they're not cheap

[agile jewel]

Why not just go with the cheapest registrar?

[umbral cliff]

Because saving a few dollars doesn't really matter to me

Prefer convenience, so having as few registrar's as possible

[agile jewel]

Have many registrars, set NS to cloudflare

Done

Have automatic payments enabled

[finite atlas]

:(

[clear ferry]

Disgusting

[agile jewel]

Did they actually work?

[agile jewel]

Proxmox is free and opensource though. You only pay for support

[finite atlas]

and thats where you are wrong

[agile jewel]

Proxmox Virtual Environment's source code is published under the free software license GNU AGPL, v3 and thus is freely available for download, use and share. You can download the Proxmox VE ISO installer or inspect the code in the public code repository (git).

https://www.proxmox.com/en/proxmox-ve/pricing

Free software with paid support

[finite atlas]

You dont get access to the Enterprise repository and arent limited to the community made repository

[agile jewel]

And? The features are the same. You might have harder times updating and stuff

But that's all

Or delayed updates because you don't get newest compiled versions

[finite atlas]

I run proxmox myself, you dont have to explain it to me lol

[last cedar]

But did you know you can run vms and stuff on it?! It is amazing

[finite atlas]

It is amazing!

[agile jewel]

Then what is missing from the free version that you so desperately need?

[finite atlas]

Gorgeous piece of software for personal use.

[last cedar]

You still have to "remove" the paid repo though to stop it giving you the prompt every time you login though, right?

[finite atlas]

Yup i do

[finite atlas]

What i need? Nothing.
But there is a quality difference between the two different update repos.

[agile jewel]

https://youtu.be/wZytmYSLAJQ

[clear ferry]

Disgusting software

https://tenor.com/view/angry-evil-gollum-lord-of-gif-9145369

[agile jewel]

You would never touch a single piece of software that comes cheaper than 20k a year right

[prisma briar]

It gives that annoying prompt unless you enter a license or patch the frontend. By default the ISO is set to the enterprise repo which needs a key, you need to switch it out with the no subscription repo for package updates. https://pve.proxmox.com/wiki/Package_Repositories#sysadmin_no_subscription_repo

Nothing really beats Linux for VM flexibility right now and Proxmox is a decent frontend for KVM and LXC.

I've been running Proxmox for about 5 years now from the free repo, I've never had an update cause issues.

[clear ferry]

Do you need anything more than virt-manager really?

Also yuck lxc

[prisma briar]

virt-manager blows, and lxc is great.

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/home-alone-your-mistaken-gif-15171441

[prisma briar]

Nah, LXC is great for organization.

[finite atlas]

yes

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/no-way-dude-no-oh-bugs-bunny-bugs-gif-22941840

[finite atlas]

yes i do

I dont want to throw in 1000 hours learning virt-manager, when i can just clickety bop my way around in proxmox with common sense

[clear ferry]

Such overhead for application abstraction, yuck

[prisma briar]

virt-manager does not take 1000 hours to learn

[clear ferry]

But... It even has a next next next

It takes 1 minute to create a vm

[finite atlas]

it takes <1 minute in proxmox

so whats your point

[prisma briar]

He's afraid of ease of use

He's also basically the only person I ever see shit on proxmox

Also Proxmox Backup Server is great

[dusky plank]

https://tenor.com/view/good-conversation-kenny-sebastian-simple-ken-podcast-good-talk-great-discussion-gif-20540466

[clear ferry]

It's pretty hard for others to shit on something with 0.0004% userbase 😤😂

[prisma briar]

It's all frontends for KVM anyways

[prisma briar]

VMWare is what you're shilling for? I can't believe you drank that koolaid.

Everyone's known VMWare is an overpriced mess for years.

[swift dirge]

vmware works well, but I'm not sure I'd pay for it 😉

(currently migrating away from it at work.)

[clear ferry]

What do I know, I've only worked with vsphere for 15 years and hold 3 active certifications and doing two more when I have time 🐒

And I only hold a CKA so my knowledge of container technology is probably limited

[prisma briar]

If we're comparing dick sizes now I run day to day operations for over a dozen hyperconverged clusters and another four storage-only clusters servicing tens of thousands of customers.

[clear ferry]

I'm the bigger dick anyway

[swift dirge]

I've been using vmware for longer than that. It works, but it's not wonderful. And VMware are being problematic with recent licensing things.

[clear ferry]

That is a lot of customers on hardware worth SMB though

VMware is a gonna be a shitshow now with Broadcom anyway

[dusky plank]

https://tenor.com/view/ralph-los-simpson-bye-gif-13267582

raspberry pi

[clear ferry]

Yuck

The RL300 is cool though

I'd like two of those

[prisma briar]

I think Proxmox should port to the RPi.

[clear ferry]

Ah yes, two negatives do become a positive

[prisma briar]

I found instructions for building proxmox backup server for arm64

I need to figure out something for my backups

And considered an rpi strapped to some usb drives for a bit

[clear ferry]

Yikes

[prisma briar]

Eh, it does periodc scans and checksum validations on images

So if it did cause a problem I'd know

[finite atlas]

Company interests are not the same as private interests

[prisma briar]

But I don't want to maintain my own builds of it

[prisma briar]

VMWare's a legit mess with licensing. New players aren't going to want to touch that.

[finite atlas]

Dont want, but sometimes you have to bite the rotten sandwich.

[clear ferry]

VMware licencing is fine, unless you run nonsense AMD cpus

[finite atlas]

You clearly meant nonsense intel cpus for 3 times the price tag.

[clear ferry]

No thankfully, intel is still 96% of all server sales

[finite atlas]

But thankfully is loosing market share.

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/suits-harvey-specter-the-lies-we-tell-ourselves-gabriel-macht-gif-14800190

[finite atlas]

https://tenor.com/view/old-man-yells-at-cloud-yelling-old-man-news-the-simpsons-gif-17741451

[clear ferry]

I definitely yell at cloud nonsense

Unless it is on prem cloud

[orchid rose]

X to doubt that figure

Server market is slower to react but the trend has been pretty clear lately

[clear ferry]

Can't see that in deliveries tbh, but it is probably highly skewed by HPC

[finite atlas]

Or your view is highly skewed by just working with companies that have enough money to just throw a cargo ship of money onto a issue.

[clear ferry]

Oh, you mean enterprise in general, yes

[amber shard]

ripping all my smarthome stuff down before listing the place for sale, feels bad

but also means that when I move into the new place I can start from scratch..

(especially eager to nuke my semi-broken home in google home)

[prisma briar]

I'm probably just going to leave my door sensors if I ever move

Definitely taking all the bulbs though

The current interest rate is triple what I bought at though so I'm not moving any time soon.

[amber shard]

in canada we have to renew every five years anyways

I get staff mortgage rate though

current place did not have neutral wires anywhere, over time pulled a few from nearby outlets and used smart bulbs elsewhere. pain in the ass though.

[prisma briar]

I don't have any neutral wires either. It's limited switch selection.

I ended up going with Lutron Aurora dimmers, but they're not aging well.

[clear ferry]

My house has tripled in value since I bought it, so I'm actually contemplating selling

[orchid rose]

Better lucky than good they say

[shadow prawn]

Time for some Christel Mett

[clear ferry]

Don't cook the meat!

https://tenor.com/view/triggered-ninjaturtle-turtle-angry-gif-21556809

[scenic radish]

[steel crag]

lol at Tediore

[glacial knot]

huh? New BL games? 😮

[steel crag]

it might be worth 10 times that, but they know you lived there and how much it costs to get the smell out

[clear ferry]

I smell like lilac and gooseberries

[glacial knot]

pre or post digestion?

[clear ferry]

Both?

[knotty iris]

just throwing this in here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyEgD-5GK9c

[forest edge]

@tidal bronze your dogs get you something for Father's Day aside from fertilizer?

[sterile fractal]

Man cancelled by Amazon for racist doorb...

[low harness]

@granite hare I finally bought a Quest (I know, bad timing)! Really cool, and actually useful for working too.

Suddenly I have five large screens in my sofa.

And it also plays Morrowind.

[granite hare]

haha, awesome. I haven't used mine for a good 9 months. it is very cool, but gets uncomfortable too quickly in my experience.

[orchid rose]

Do you get dizzy with it or what's the uncomfort? I've seen a ton of people complain about it but haven't experienced it myself

[low harness]

Anything you strap to your head gets heavy after a while

And the viewing angle is a bit narrow. You need to turn your head unnaturally much, which I imagine can get old.

[orchid rose]

I mostly just play racing games myself so my experience is going to be quite different. The narrow viewing angle just feels like you're wearing a helmet haha

but I don't get nauseated or anything like that. Even playing games like War Thunder which feels like it would make most people puke, I didn't get that effect

[prisma briar]

I played with modding some games to work with VR, one of them put me in a third person camera behind the character and when I turned my head the camera spun around the character. That's the only time I've had VR make me feel sick.

[steel crag]

most people haven't raced with a helmet on tho 😉

I still have like 3 of my helmets too

one of them is flat at the back just about from my last crash tho

[orchid rose]

I haven't even driven a car irl, but I mean in the sense of immersiveness, the FoV doesn't feel distracting in those cases. It's limiting for sure but my brain can explain it away

[swift dirge]

People have done studies. having a non-moving box around you helps a great deal with motion sickness in vr.

https://trainingindustry.com/articles/learning-technologies/vr-motion-sickness-how-to-design-virtual-reality-training-for-mitigation-and-prevention/

if your motion is only controlled by your actual movement, it's fine. Anything else (especially motion bob) is problematic. adding something you're not moving within (other than your own motion) helps.

[finite atlas]

My glasses fogging up inside the VR headset is a big issue for me. Also the narrow FOV.
But i luckily get no motion sickness.

[orchid rose]

thankfully no fogging for me but with cycling I've experienced a lot of that haha

[steel crag]

my glasses fog up in and out of AC

so humid here lol

[orchid rose]

That's so weird. Maybe it's the humidity out there compared to the frozen hellscape of Finland

AC is what I play as well and the VR experience is just incredible even on a cheap headset

[steel crag]

I meant air conditioning .....

[finite atlas]

My usual humidity is around 60%

[steel crag]

mine is usually around 100%

[finite atlas]

With my Heatpump i can get it to around 50%

[steel crag]

you know the sun that tries to kill you in Super Mario 3? I think that's the guy we have here

[steel crag]

and now it's torrential rain

[prisma briar]

I bought prescription lenses for my vr headset

I also put a small 20mm fan on it for fog when I used my glasses

[turbid karma]

Is anyone using their Home Assistant machine as a home router too?

It'd save me a Pi 4 🙂

[scenic radish]

Sounds like a bad idea

[dusky plank]

pi as a router alone is problematic enough

[glacial knot]

I did that for a while, when my main router was out of commission
It was interesting

[low harness]

I used to run pfsense and hass on the same machine with proxmox.

[glacial knot]

How many eth ports do you have on that?
I'm always a bit worried about pushing a machine I need for connecting to the management into the virtualization

Does the host have a fixed IP interface for managing it when something goes down?

[clear ferry]

I ran pfsense virtualized for 6 months, i felt horrible every day

The rest of the 25+ years I've been running diy routers have been bare metal

[nocturne sierra]

I considered it briefly and decided it was probably a bad idea. I've been eying something like the nanopi r5c for when I eventually get round to replacing my Linksys wrt3200.

[low harness]

I got some industrial single board pc with four ethernet ports for use as a router, and then used it as my entire home server for a while.
Now it's only running pfsense, but still through proxmox. I'll fix that some day - and probably switch to opnsense too.

Oooh. SGDQ

[harsh heath]

Guys they relased wifi flow regulator

never knew the garden product manufacturers were so into IoT

by the way, just figured, finding high-quality gardening products is far harder than finding reliable zigbee stuff

[finite atlas]

because all IoT kids are basement dwellers, not garden gnomes

[granite hare]

Yeah, exactly this. The weight and pressure were the biggest issue for me. Even after I modded it to use a Hive deluxe strap.

[steel crag]

just make a helmet it sits in, then it will spread the weight

don't use tinfoil tho

[clear ferry]

You have unreliable ZigBee stuff?

Sounds like conbee or zha

[dusky plank]

one of my outdoor raspberry pis reports 92°C

I believe its probably fine

[harsh heath]

yup conbee II with Z2M, some devices won't pair correctly (such as Develco SMSZB-120)

bought me a Sonoff CC2652P + CP2102(N) and will start pairing from the scratch when I have some free time

ugh I have to re-do the automations

[harsh heath]

anny chance you're in southern Germany, because I'd believe it

[prisma briar]

I switched to ZHA because Z2M just didn't work with a few of my devices

ZHA has been great

I have a Conbee II

Not what I'd choose if I got another dongle but it's been fine

[clear ferry]

Still haven't had a single issue with Texas instruments and z2m

[prisma briar]

My thermostat just didn't work with Z2M and my dimmers were unreliable

[clear ferry]

I've removed a few devices, but I used to have 140

[prisma briar]

I found other people with the same issue with my thermostat and Z2M, the solution everyone had was switch to ZHA.

And the dimmers I never fully looked into

[clear ferry]

We don't use thermostats so I don't have any issues

And I only have one dimmer, which works fine even if it is Tuya

I just control my bulbs

[prisma briar]

I have 8 dimmer knobs

Each bathroom, two in my bedroom, another one in another bedroom, kitchen, two in the livingroom

I put a dimmer knob/button on the side of my headrest on my bed so I can climb into bed and just tap that button and the lights are off

All of my lights are either on motion sensors, door sensors, or dimmer switches. I don't have any normal switches that get regularly flipped.

[dusky plank]

Nein

[clear ferry]

Yeah we haven't flipped a switch outside of the nursery in 5 years

[harsh heath]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXPUPoal9Q8

[steel crag]

you didn't tell me you moved into my house

[dusky plank]

pls stop sending me this shit

[last cedar]

@harsh heath @dusky plank prefers raccoon videos, just as an fyi

[harsh heath]

damn, my bad

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-bread-raccoon-bread-raccoon-with-bread-racco-gif-22120699

[swift dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/noms-hungry-gimme-racoon-gif-5493849

[shadow prawn]

Null null null

[cold marlin]

can anyone recommend a dirt cheap tablet for car movies for kids? not sure if amazon tablets are any good with their own OS

[clear ferry]

My kids like the Lenovo p11 pros

With AliExpress handlebar covers

[cold marlin]

i'm talking like diiiiirt cheap for a 4 year old, lol

right now we have an old samsung note 8 tablet(?), want to get another for the other kid

[static schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/sharing-is-caring-love-pants-bear-gif-22180520

[clear ferry]

I paid $150 for mine, which I considered cheap for the quality and battery life

For my 1 and 5 year old

[cold marlin]

damn, must have found a good deal, everything i'm seeing is like $400

USD

[clear ferry]

I did like the chuwi hi8 I got off AliExpress too

Which was $80 at the time

[cold marlin]

interesting

[clear ferry]

It's interesting that all of the missing people on the submarine have names that sound made up

Stockton

Hamish

You know these are people who are so rich the 1% hardly will meet them

[cold marlin]

sounds like a madden franchise rookie draft

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-john-madden-football-gif-25208395

[cold marlin]

samsung galaxy tab a7 lite looks promising

meh, maybe not

[steel crag]

bought my kid a Fire HD when he was 3, he's 17, still got it and still works....

[cold marlin]

lol, nice

can you install whatever you want on it? wasn't jazzed about an amazon OS, but haven't dug into it

[clear ferry]

But the first fire hd was released in 2012

https://tenor.com/view/math-calculate-confusing-figure-out-gif-6237717

[static schooner]

That moment when you're outed as a time traveler

[clear ferry]

I flunked vocational math, but that doesn't sound right

[static schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/йокелемене-men-in-black-light-sunglasses-gif-15516530

Just don't kill your grandfather. It'll end badly

[clear ferry]

Or impregnate your grandmother

[steel crag]

sorry he was 5 not 3

I forgot we did get him an archos before that one

[clear ferry]

Bless you

[prisma briar]

Forecasted high for today per HA's widget: 41F/5C, current temperature per my thermometer: 81F/27C

[static schooner]

Good...save

[cold marlin]

i love that game

[swift dirge]

hearing more and more about that submarine which really makes me go "this was inevitable." And I can only feel so much sympathy for people who could afford 250k to go. sure, some sympathy because few people deserve to die, but still.

[clear ferry]

I'm impressed that they have no radio capability in a project like that

Only ping

And no tracking

[steel crag]

water tends to block radio waves

and GPS signals

EM waves, blocked by .... waves

[static schooner]

I heard they use text messages to communicate somehow

[steel crag]

tethered yeah

[clear ferry]

Well yes, but there has to be some kind of way to track something under water

[prisma briar]

iirc you can get low frequency radio waves to still go decently far through water, but they're like tens of bits per second in usable bandwidth

[steel crag]

yeah SONAR

[prisma briar]

JHB source has been used for communication experiments by the Japanese institute for marine technology (Japan Agency for Marine-Earth Science and Technology) achieving a baud rate of 100 bits/s at 1000km.

[steel crag]

which is what they been doing with the Orion subhunter, dropping SONAR bouys

[steel crag]

if it were that easy they would be able to track tagged sharks, turtles and whales all the time, not just when they surface

[prisma briar]

I imagine the ship has some sort of beacon on it, but it may not be on.

[clear ferry]

convenient

[swift dirge]

They fired their safety person. that's not a good look.

[prisma briar]

The viewing window is right by the toilet?

[steel crag]

you mean an EPIRB ?

[prisma briar]

idk, not a boat guy.

[steel crag]

406Mhz not gonna punch thru all that

is a boat guy

[prisma briar]

Yea, presumably they'd have a lower frequency beacon that could get further

[swift dirge]

apparently they lose contact when it was around a mile down. at least it was probably quick.

[static schooner]

Looks like a snack to one of the orcas that have been whacking boats

A can of people

They ordered delivery rather than pickup

[steel crag]

AIS and EPIRB won't work underwater tho sadly

[prisma briar]

An initial group of tourists in 2021 paid $100,000 to $150,000 apiece to visit the wreck site. OceanGate’s website described the “mission support fee” for the 2023 expedition as $250,000 a person.

[steel crag]

S-AIS even worse

[steel crag]

imagine paying $500,000 to lose both yourself and your son in one go

[prisma briar]

Apparently this wasn't the first time the vessel lost contact, it'd lost contact on a previous mission and gone off course before resurfacing.

[steel crag]

my dad would not allow me, him or my mom to fly on the same planes much less go in a sub that deep

so we spent our lives travelling separately 🤷‍♂️

[static schooner]

They got lost during a news story on it: https://deadline.com/2023/06/cbs-oceangate-titanic-submarine-viral-david-pogue-safety-concerns-1235420540/amp/

[cold marlin]

boy, that seems excessive

[prisma briar]

Before boarding the sub, Pogue was given a tour of the vessel, during which he commented on its “improvised design.” This included lighting from Camping World and an unofficial Playstation controller used to drive the submarine.

Should've sprung for a genuine dualshock

[static schooner]

They were like 'meh, all that can fail'

[swift dirge]

apparently a logitech one.

As it goes, a game controller as an input device isn't a terrible idea.

they tend to be reliable and robust. though I'd probably go for an official xbox one.

[steel crag]

the guy that was defending all that was like "well there are regulatory systems in place but they take years to approve things and this gets in the way of deployment"

like no shit

lol

[clear ferry]

Oh my Dog, systems in place to defend users, i would never, this is America sir!

[prisma briar]

I'd be concerned of normal game controllers developing drift

[cold marlin]

not sure there was a lot of concern over anything on that sub

[prisma briar]

They were concerned with making money now

[static schooner]

Aside from a catastrophic leak, you'd think that the worst case scenario would be to inflate some airbags and float to the surface

Then activate a beacon

[cold marlin]

should never have called it the unsinkable sub

[prisma briar]

It either developed a leak or just imploded

[clear ferry]

Failsafe, sounds like the would care

[static schooner]

The unsinkable sub goes to visit the unsinkable ship

[prisma briar]

I wonder if James Cameron is going to make a movie on the sub

[clear ferry]

Isn't that just The Abyss?

[static schooner]

Only if they float up on some deep sea creature

based on a true story

With extra sea creatures

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/the-abyss-abyss-scifi-gif-17881851

That's a really good movie come think of it

[static schooner]

There's a good special effects documentary that goes into that scene

[clear ferry]

I am still heartbroken that The Dig was never made into a movie

The plot is really good

And very 90s

[swift dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/im-the-abyss-nadia-vulvokov-russian-doll-im-an-endless-void-im-like-a-black-hole-gif-25146665

[prisma briar]

Sure, we can take that and CGI the guys that went missing on top of them.

[clear ferry]

Deepfake would make that easy

[static schooner]

ILM designed a program to produce surface waves of differing sizes and kinetic properties for the pseudopod, which was referred to by ILM informally as the "water weenie."

Pretty sure the documentary is the one on ILM on Disney+. It's really good

[orchid rose]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTf7AMVOoDY This looks pretty cool if the prices come down or they bring in a lower-tier alternative

[steel crag]

prtty sure they can afford to replace it every dive, it's lik $49 LOL

[prisma briar]

Does this company seem like the kind of outfit that has a process to do that?

[steel crag]

well I mean shit at the prices they charge they could replace the whole interior of the sub

every dive

[mellow parcel]

Sure but how do you make $ doing that?

[finite atlas]

Selling you ads

[mellow parcel]

Better hope no one uses an AdBlocker

[finite atlas]

Wont work if its the OS that serves you the ads and only 0.1% of the userbase will even use one

[low harness]

And also an IRC guy, I'm guessing.

[steel crag]

slaps you around with a large trout

yes, I remember the offending eris.berkeley,edu being dropped to create EFnet lol

[harsh heath]

I wonder if anybody else also uses caps lock for every single upper-case character

It's weird how I got used to this, I never use shift

[scenic radish]

Wut

That sounds like a PITA lol

[harsh heath]

Not really

Just a quick double tap with the pinky

tap tap

[static schooner]

Team shift, both left and right

I only hit capslock by mistake

[edgy sun]

I used sun workstations in college (25 years ago) and have remapped caps lock to be control ever since. Really annoying when using any computer other than my own.

[scenic radish]

Reminds me, I despise when laptop manufacturers switch the position of Fn and Ctrl

[steel crag]

yeah no use of the caps lock key unless I'm gaming

[steel crag]

sometimes thats a region thing

[nocturne sierra]

Imagine trusting your life to the 40% off Logitech bootleg playstation controller.

[steel crag]

https://tenor.com/view/face-palm-cant-believe-hugh-laurie-head-slap-house-gif-12137942

[static schooner]

Oops, battery died

Stick broke off, only goes down now

[steel crag]

but but but they 3d printed caps for it