the-water-cooler

[glacial knot]

I wonder if there's a way to look up how long I've had someone blocked in discord... Makes this channel more fun to see half a dicussion and still be able to know someone is being ridiculous

[prisma briar]

You're legit insane.

[forest edge]

nah just had to listen to the whole workings of it over the past year and half lol

[prisma briar]

Did someone play basketball with you as a baby?

[forest edge]

thus why i stared with geofencing in the us is no joke

[prisma briar]

And I started explaining some of the fundamentals of how it works and you plugged your ears and decided you were an expert. You're a driveling moron.

[forest edge]

I've heard some of those means of peoiple trying to get around it too

and how they combat that

[prisma briar]

That's cool, bro.

[forest edge]

sorry, but like i said. good luck

[prisma briar]

I'm friends with a mechanic so I must know how every facet of an ICE works

[forest edge]

wut

[glacial knot]

actually knows more about ICE from living with engineering students

Wouldn't be able to design one though D:

[prisma briar]

Exactly

[prisma briar]

I had him blocked for a while after I first joined here. I don't generally like leaving people blocked though so I unblocked him after a few. That was clearly a mistake.

[forest edge]

yea, if you don't like hearing disagreement you should block me lol

[glacial knot]

I did unblock him for a while as well. Then he started insisting on obvious falsehoods and a mix of selective pedantry, so I decided it's not worth the energy to read messages 🤷

[forest edge]

sensitive people and me do not get along

[prisma briar]

Nah, I welcome a disagreement, but you have nothing to contribute. You don't have a disagreement, you're just repeating yourself and whining because I didn't buy into your absurd claim of expertise. Your contribution to the conversation is akin to a 12 year old on Xbox Live telling his friends his dad works for Microsoft so he's basically an engineer.

You're far far worse than a disagreement, you're an active waste of time.

[forest edge]

you made a bold statement including everything, i disagreed

[prisma briar]

When you disagree you need to provide some substance as to why your disagreement is valid, else you're just being an annoying twat.

"I know a guy" isn't a meaningful contribution.

Then you just started stringing together random words like it meant anything.

[forest edge]

as you stated I don't do that type of work. while I listened to it in detail I didn't absorb every detail cause I don't care enough about it to try and spoof my location for every or any service i use. all i can tell you is your wrong in regards to the "any service" statement

[prisma briar]

Something is wrong with you.

There's a disconnect somewhere in your head.

[forest edge]

my friend did the legwork in the begining of his job, he was that dude who had to drive across multiple states to get the geofencing accurate, as well as verify data collected by other paid companies that do that type of work

[prisma briar]

"My dad works for Xbox, guys!"

[forest edge]

nice argument

you just don't like to hear that you are wrong

[prisma briar]

Says the guy whose entire argument is "you're wrong but I don't actually know anything so I can't articulate any reasons why"

[forest edge]

admit it

and to that i say good luck

not trolling, not trying to be a dick

just saying that whole geofencing business in the US is big money and when laws got involved it got even more complex

[prisma briar]

It's amazing that you're legitimately stupid enough you think you've made a compelling point at any point in this argument.

[forest edge]

read your responses

who's being the dick?

[prisma briar]

You.

[forest edge]

you are literally acting like an animal backed into a corner and insults is all you have left to throw

[prisma briar]

Well you just ignored me when I explained how it worked

The only thing that seems to be getting through to you is calling you a moron

[forest edge]

your little side project is not been our discussion

as i said, who cares about google

sure, in your situation spoofing location data to google is possible.. hey way to go

[prisma briar]

Exactly, you didn't read or pay any attention to what I was saying

[forest edge]

I only touched on some other stupid statement you made

then don't throw around words like "any"

[prisma briar]

I explained how spoofing is detected and you just ignored me because it didn't fit your delusional pre-defined world view that you have no interest in changing.

You didn't pay any attention to anything except the insults.

Any is the right word there.

[forest edge]

you said any service

your words

then you made then mistake saying ALL geofencing is done by bugging cell phones

wrong again

[prisma briar]

You missed the first part of what I was saying, once I realized what you were trying to discuss I tried discussing that and you ignored me, then you ignored me when I pointed out how much you've been ignoring what I've been saying.

Lol, now your genius plan is to try to move the goalposts.

[forest edge]

i am answering your question

[prisma briar]

LPT: GPS can be spoofed with a simple transmitter.

[forest edge]

make up your mind

[glacial knot]

more like, goal suggestions 🕺

[prisma briar]

I'm not asking you questions. If this is the way you act I can't see anyone ever having need for your input.

[forest edge]

yes, I disagree to statement i know tend to be false. that is the way I act

sorry

[prisma briar]

The problem is how far your head is up your ass

[forest edge]

here we go again

[prisma briar]

You're so sure you're right you're completely detached from reality and unwilling to listen to others.

[forest edge]

how can i not feel right about the points I touched on? you act like i am talking about your side project

just drop it

for everyone's sake

put me on block.. please

[prisma briar]

how can i not feel right about the points I touched on?

A sane person would probably have read what the person they're talking to wrote and realized they're wrong

[forest edge]

the points i touched on

[prisma briar]

Instead of whining that their friend knows a lot so they're an expert and anyone who says otherwise is wrong

[forest edge]

what part of that is hard to understand?

[prisma briar]

Nothing you have said, not a single thing, has been correct.

[forest edge]

I already told you that you might be right on whatever google thing you were going on about

[prisma briar]

You have been wrong on every single point you have proposed.

No, even with your bullshit claiming that devices can be perfectly geofenced, that's wrong.

[forest edge]

like trying to argue with a doctor about your medical condition

[prisma briar]

Block me if you want me to quit calling you a moron. Please, I welcome you never responding to me again.

LOL, so now you've got a relevant doctorate?

[forest edge]

lol insults don't bother me.. everyone who can't handle opposition results to that

everyone

[prisma briar]

Yea, so do people who are just frustrated by someone being a moron.

[forest edge]

just means you are thin skinned

in this day and age, that seems to be the majority

i'm older than that lol

[prisma briar]

And that would excuse your shitty behavior how?

[forest edge]

my shitty behavior while you dish the insults? love that correlation

[prisma briar]

You're just so insultable.

[glacial knot]

is that the equivalent of a slappable face?

[forest edge]

ongy there use to tell people in this channel to go kill themselves when they disagreed with what he was saying

Netham45 the insulter

you guys are classic

[prisma briar]

I don't think you should do that, but I do think you should go spend some time re-evaluating how you determine rather you know something or not.

Because you're way too confident about things you know fuck-all about

[forest edge]

your wrong on the any

[prisma briar]

And it's leading you to be close-minded and ignore input

[forest edge]

every day of the week

that will always be the case

[prisma briar]

you're*

[forest edge]

always

[prisma briar]

Kk, glad you think so

[forest edge]

just accept it

and move on

know so

[prisma briar]

That's called a delusion

[forest edge]

it's called hearing how it works

[prisma briar]

Yea, your entire point all along has been, "I heard this, I can't back it up or explain or substantiate it but I heard it! Take my word, guys, I heard it!" and you still somehow don't realize why I think you're an ass.

[forest edge]

well some of it is sensitive data

[prisma briar]

Fuck off

[forest edge]

but yea i also don't recall every single detail as i already stated

cause like i also said, it dosen't impact or bother me

[prisma briar]

Yea, so you're worthless in this conversation. You have nothing meaningful to contribute. So shut up.

[forest edge]

meaningful to tell you that you are wrong lol

Good Luck.. there lets leave it at that

[prisma briar]

Okay? I can tell you you're a goat, doesn't make it true.

[forest edge]

Good luck

[prisma briar]

[And this was the point SonomaGTS realized he was being an idiot all along]

[forest edge]

the insulter

[prisma briar]

I'm fine with that title.

[forest edge]

i know, weak minds generally are

[prisma briar]

Maybe I can go around and start labeling people as chicken chasers

[glacial knot]

Implying any realization 😂

[forest edge]

why do you think spoofing is so invincible?

lets steer this back to that

[prisma briar]

I already explained that, you fucking cretin.

[forest edge]

you banked that on google no longer collecting data by trucks tho

is that not what you said?

[prisma briar]

.

There is nothing specific to Android about that concept.

[forest edge]

ok my response to that was the "location" part of that wasn't being collected by the device

which then you banked on google no longer using trucks

is that accurate?

[prisma briar]

No

I have no idea what you're on about

[forest edge]

which part?

the location collect part?

[prisma briar]

The location is collected by the device. There's no way for a device to know it's location other than self-reported information. There is no intrinsic property to location data that proves if it is accurate or not, therefore it is unverifiable and can be spoofed. Devices to spoof GPS exist, spoofing wifi location is equally easy. There are known attacks that are in the wild today you can go read about right now that attack things like this.

A device cannot be told it's location on a global scale, period.

[forest edge]

ok and here is what I was trying to relay

[prisma briar]

Without something far more expensive than a state gambling board can create, at least.

[forest edge]

this is from parts of what I remember of how I was told it gets collected (by generic companies) google amazon etc

when the vehicle drives through a neighborhood any device that transmit an id via wifi signal, routers, phones, computers etc etc it all gets cataloged by id, the vehicles gps location is tacked on that information.

would you disagree with that?

[prisma briar]

Google at least doesn't do it that way anymore

[forest edge]

ok and i take your word for that

but many others do

[prisma briar]

Which, I already mentioned and cited, to which you called me a conspiracy theorist

[forest edge]

well because you dove down the i am invincle path it sounded like to me

[prisma briar]

I was diving down the 'You're not listening at all and you're being an ass' path.

[forest edge]

i am trying to clearify some things up, would you like to continue?

[prisma briar]

Why are we even talking about the trucks again? They're hardly relevant to geofencing measures.

[forest edge]

? on foot/trucks is still more accurate way to geofence accuratly

as you said

using just device "bugging" is not accurate

remotely

my whole thing above was services used that involved state laws

they would never do that remotely

[prisma briar]

None of that makes sense

[forest edge]

as you said, it's not a reilable means

how?

where am i losing you?

[prisma briar]

foot/trucks geofencing? What?

[glacial knot]

foodtruck? don't make me hungry

[prisma briar]

If you mean they have people physically go check if machines are located correctly, okay. That's an audit, but it's not geofencing.

[forest edge]

yes they do that, especialy near state lines

like 5 miles on either side of the line

[prisma briar]

Sending a guy out to ping the machine to check where it is isn't geofencing...

[forest edge]

they don't "ping" the machine

I am not 100% sure what the equipement they use

[glacial knot]

also only works with known devices. Defeating the entire idea of geofencing...

[forest edge]

but yes they do triangulate, and even have to stop the vehicle to physically get out from time to time

maybe not google or amazon

but those geofencing companies that specialize do it

[prisma briar]

The 'how' on how this all works is what you're missing, and without it being there it seems like you're just confused on basically everything. It's just worthless assertions that you know a guy who does these things.

Having to have it regularly ping a beacon such as a truck isn't geofencing, if the truck isn't pinging it and is just collecting general location data then how is it relevant at all?

[forest edge]

some of this is sensitive information. he didn't tell me everything. once the goverment got involved use your imagination on how it could be done

[prisma briar]

Yup, worthless.

SURE GLAD WE WENT THROUGH ALL THAT AGAIN

[forest edge]

you never been told something and then told it can't be explained to you in detail?

not once?

hell i don't even know it

but i trust him

[prisma briar]

No shit you don't know it

Yea, but I don't trust you

[forest edge]

and thats where the "good luck" comes into play

ding ding

[prisma briar]

You're still a moron

[forest edge]

atleast i'm not wearing a tinfoil hat

[prisma briar]

once the goverment got involved use your imagination on how it could be done

Seems pretty tinfoil-y

[forest edge]

lol you made me think of that part of terminator dark fate movie where she thought putting her cell phone in a potato chip bag shielded the signals lol

and the terminator called her out on it

[prisma briar]

They should have called her out for emulating a dial-up modem over a cell phone in T3, too

[glacial knot]

blue box? 😮

I feel like the idiot is refering to 3 letter agencies hunting your butt when you circumvent the easily circumventable measures of geofencing
And never realizes that that's not geofencing anymore, but 3 letter agencies sending people out to whoop butts

[prisma briar]

I think the only reliable geofencing measures would be something like a challenge + response with a latency attached, but the infrastructure to have that reliable of a network on a state level would be absurdly expensive.

GPS signals could be verified to be recent/rule out playback attacks if they were signed but civilian GPS isn't

[forest edge]

there is like over 30 companies that specialize in geofencing in the US (look it up) and they all use "proprietary" hardware/software and methods of doing it

can't remember the name of the company his company uses

but he has had to audit their work several times

[prisma briar]

Again, systems like that are largely reactionary -- a new attack or exploit gets discovered and is addressed. Basically everything can be addressed to one extent or another with enough money but the costs go up really fast with some of the more obtuse attacks. At some point just sending people out to regularly/randomly audit the machines is cheaper.

But that's not geofencing

[glacial knot]

Key fobs. But that's not geofencing. That's proximity detection to paired evices

[forest edge]

I don't get how verifying location is not geofencing

[glacial knot]

and even those can be widened by magnitutes

[prisma briar]

challenge+response with latency is arguably proximity detection too

A geofence is a virtual perimeter for a real-world geographic area.

Sending an auditor out isn't that.

[forest edge]

that dosen't make sense

[glacial knot]

The keyless access (passive fob detection) works exactly that way
And they are always playing cat and mouse with usability and relay possibilities around their latencies

Every couple years (probably closer to months) something manages to reduce the buffer and transfer time for transfer
So we get ever so closer to actual ME-wave traveling speed (C in air) to intended distance without safety margins

[prisma briar]

I've been considering disconnecting all of my keyfobs/garage door openers and building my own remote control devices to use wifi instead with some esp32's. I already have my garage door hooked up to HA, I'd just need to make some wifi garage door openers for it.

Car would take more planning

I saw there are IoT-targeted SIM cards for like $5/mo+$0.01/MB, I could make something with that to put in my car and link it to HA.

Could also put a GPS on it to track my car

Things like that flipper zero that LTT covered is really easy to build/get ahold of and can open most garage doors really quickly.

[forest edge]

dosen't the range for that to "clone" the signal have to be somewhat close?

how do you not notice the dude sitting infront of your house looking at you waiting for you to click the button?

[prisma briar]

Most garage doors are susceptible to a rolling buffer attack that makes brute forcing them trivial

[glacial knot]

I wonder if garage openers have actually upgraded to something sophisticated or still just send a rolling cypher code o.0

I assume the latter. If it's even rolling

[prisma briar]

It could also be done by putting a magnetic device on the bottom of a car that relays to a remote control to capture the signal.

[glacial knot]

The IoT sims are cheap if you intend to equip multiple devices
From what I've see they are mostly for vendors, not for makers

[forest edge]

that is tin foil

[glacial knot]

I should get a flipper 0 and use that to open the garage door here.

[prisma briar]

When I moved in the previous owner left a smashed up garage door opener here, I soldered the board in it to an esp8266 with esphome and put it in my garage.

[forest edge]

just put an old fashioned manual lock on the door

most garage door openers won't try and power through a blockage

[prisma briar]

I don't want a manual lock on the door

I've got a door sensor on it and can remote control the opener. It'd be trivial to change that esp to hit a relay to press the garage door button, I did that in a previous garage with an RPi. If I did that I could just remove all the pairings from the opener.

I had a detached garage at an apartment around 2012, I put a wifi ap in there connected to an RPi running a webserver I could connect to to open the garage from my cell phone.

[forest edge]

never any lengthy statistics done on crimes where tech is actually used but I am willing to bet it's pretty small

[prisma briar]

I don't think people with the know-how to make/use devices like that are worried about stealing random cars.

But the devices are getting easier/more available and there's not really any laws regulating them

[forest edge]

didn't that same LTT video you mentioned on the flipper 0 also mention the devices being siezed and country bans being implemented?

[prisma briar]

I think like a crate was seized headed to the US and they still never heard an official reason for it

Looks like Brazil is seizing them too

[glacial knot]

someone that knows that they are easy to abuse but doesn't have the legal footing to actually hold them 🤷

[prisma briar]

A big problem with them is they're just such a simple design. It's hard to ban things that can be made from e-waste.

Yea, maybe ban mass production so every random edgy teenager can't open any door, but the concept of them is basically impossible to ban.

[forest edge]

as you stated, anyone who actually knows how to use that stuff, wouldn't be using it to steal to begin with. currently the only criminals you should be proofing against is the ones who think they can spoof anything, er i mean the one's who use basic tools and method for brute entry

cameras are still a very good deterrence even if they don't seem to mean jack shit in retail stores anymore

[prisma briar]

You do realize you're just looking like more of a dumbass with those stupid jabs, right?

The problem with cameras is paying people to watch them is expensive

[forest edge]

lulz

paying people to watch them?

the existence is the deterrence

but you could use HA to get alerts on your phone in that regard

i love my setup

i watch 3 properties 24/7

even get woken up if i'm asleep lol

[prisma briar]

Yea, most retail stores like you initially mentioned when you brought up cameras aren't going to be able to watch all cameras 24/7.

[forest edge]

well they don't watch them

they just use them for playback

[prisma briar]

Yea, if they're not watched and people know that they're not a deterrence.

[forest edge]

night thefts are monitered soly by entry alrms etc

people don't know that though

you can't be sure if someone is or isn't

[prisma briar]

Yea but the odds are good

[forest edge]

well so far the statistics still say they work

for residential anyway

[glacial knot]

just have GPUs watch them. AI revolution!

[prisma briar]

AI will need to figure out what hands look like before it can tell if people are pocketing things or not.

[glacial knot]

stores record and use the cameras reactionary.
Some larger ones will have someone monitor them live. But attention split between 16 cameras is just gamblig

[forest edge]

that is a whole lot closer than you might think

[glacial knot]

AFAIK the accuracy of that was ok for the amazon stores with no tills.

[forest edge]

office buildings, like sky scraper type have people monitering cameras 24/7

[prisma briar]

A big thing is just knowing things are missing to begin with. Without seeing it happen through active surveillance you're reliant on accurate/regular inventory counts which themselves can get expensive.

[forest edge]

but walmart dosen't

[prisma briar]

Weren't those reliant on some sort of rfid system?

[glacial knot]

yea, depends on the type of store. It's easier to know your inventory when you sell luxury goods^^

It leverages the same types of technologies used in self-driving cars: computer vision, sensor fusion, and deep learning
https://justwalkout.com/faq
unsure.

[prisma briar]

And a place isn't going to find it worth it to have someone go through 2,000 hours of video for a missing $20 product

[forest edge]

they don't do that

only if a 20k necklace poofed would they

BUT if you are running out of the store and someone sees you and is like, did they take something? they might go back and watch the last hour or 2

yes I worked retail as well when i was younger

[prisma briar]

Yea but that's easily solved by just not being blatantly conspicuous

[forest edge]

they don't really care about a 20 buck item to begin with

it took those walmarts on the west coast to be robbed blind multiple times before they were losing too much to remain open

was like 93 billion or something in theft between all the stores

well maybe not in theft alone, in whatever else that accrudes cost with dealing with that shit fest that kept happening

[prisma briar]

That's cool. I thought it was more than that.

Someone would end up sleeping in them here though.

(The cashier-less convenience stores)

[forest edge]

pretty sure those stores have some kind of staff that is either always there or visits regularly

the floors don't mop themselves etc

[dusky plank]

I see there was drama.
You guys should‘ve directed him/her to the complaints office (ME).
So that we as a community can solve apparent issues on this server.

Lel, as if I care

[forest edge]

careful.. with that "shitty behavior" you could be called a dick

[glacial knot]

I considered pinging Frenck since he complained about missing drama yesterday

[forest edge]

Riley should do all the techlinked videos

[stark rampart]

Do you recommend any software to project smart devices in house? Room views. What type of device where. To remember to add extra power cable there etc. It is more for myself to remember about save space for things, remember about power, pipes etc.

[clear ferry]

With ZigBee I don't care much about power since I get 3-4 years battery life

[glacial knot]

I still wouldn't mind a system that lays out where everything is in 3 dimensional space

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/sleeping-eric-cartman-south-park-s18e7-grounded-vindaloop-gif-20325702

[glacial knot]

that's 3 dimensional space laying around

[young sigil]

So we have another reason not to watch them?

[stark rampart]

Besides of sensor the device which will be turn on/ off need power too 😉

Still if anyone can recommend software it will be great

[clear ferry]

That's usually a socket or a bulb

[stark rampart]

I have more extreme imagination;)

[glacial knot]

Two sockets!

[clear ferry]

Or even four

Maybe six

[glacial knot]

nah, no six. 8 is reasonable. Only 2^n gets considered

[clear ferry]

2^128

[forest edge]

Riley is the best one.. whatcha-talkin-about

[young sigil]

Nah he's an annoying twat. Dan is mildly amusing.

[forest edge]

figured you would have said anthony

[clear ferry]

Sounds like some LTT nønsense

Idiots preaching to idiots is such an interesting concept

[forest edge]

he's so negative

[glacial knot]

sounds like discord

[tawdry wind]

Relevant

[forest edge]

@prisma briarFriend came on and I asked for some clarification. In terms of what you were talking about. Google doesn't do geofencing so as I said you were probably right. However on my discussion about geofencing, companies don't care what your device transmits. They compare whatever device seen in the area along with the devices used for geofencing own gps and that's the location that gets cataloged. applications that require geofencing simply will refuse access if location spoofing is detected. Apparently that's where the money is between companies etc.

[forest edge]

apparently there is a whole bunch more shit they also utilize to verify location for geofenced restricted applications

[rich spire]

Does anyone have recommendations for powering an esp8266 without an outlet? Do batteries work fine?

[glacial knot]

sounds like #diy-archived problems. and yes. But not entirely trivial

[late gate]

Is it any way to conect two docker instances to traefik so I can use labels on two docker socets to one traefik?

[clear ferry]

You mean swarm?

Or just host ports

[late gate]

I am not going to run docker in swarm cause of all the limitations

but traefik can by default just connect to own docker socket to use labels

I would like it to connect to two

I am trying truenas scale again now, and if thats k8 that should be easier to control with traefik I think

[clear ferry]

Just run proper k8s

Or godaweful k3s

Add etcd and it becomes sensible

[late gate]

do you run truenas?

or all from scratch?

[glacial knot]

I run my cluster on Ubuntu hosts

[late gate]

my plan is to run a cluster on the homelab, but what I am doing now is the network NAS

so should be a bit easier to setup properly

[late gate]

I am still working on getting a 12 bay rack server that I will run a 12th gen I7 (I9 seems like a waste of money). I realized I needed a 40cm deep rack computer, not a 60

[clear ferry]

Truenas died in my house over a year ago

[glacial knot]

killer!

[late gate]

what are you using now?

and why did it die?

windows 3.11 for workgroups?

[clear ferry]

Truenas is a limiting apppliance

Debian native on my primary/ secondary, and esxi on my vsphere lab

[last cedar]

I think tn core still has a place as a pure nas

I know you can do it all on bare debian or proxmox or whatever, though

[clear ferry]

As a pure Nas no

As an appliance for people who want something that does something specific, yes

[last cedar]

I am really disappointed in scale, mostly because it went a different direction to what I was hoping

[last cedar]

How can you put this so eloquently?!

[clear ferry]

Because I'm an experienced see you next Tuesday

[last cedar]

I was meaning to just plonk files on, I am planning to use mine for that

I guess I could try and get debian working for zfs, but the docker box uses like 5W (optiplex mini), not worth trying to remove it from the rack for that little power IMO

[forest edge]

so tired of seeing all this older shit being "renewed". who the hell thinks 1950's clothing is cool? why do we need brand new commodore 64's in 2023? why is every damn movie just a remake of something else?!

argh

[finite atlas]

because the old stuff was surprisingly good and people got lazy and government have made it harder to invent things.

[forest edge]

not sure how the goverment made it harder to invent new things

more like companies figured out how to reduce quality and make more money

[finite atlas]

its much much harder and expensive to start a new company nowdays

[forest edge]

the expensive part i can see, everything costs more etc.. but still don't get the harder aspect. harder in the sense that any type of original thought has faded away maybe lol

[finite atlas]

I can only speak for germany.
But nowdays, you have to file for a lot more paperwork before even getting started, pay a lot of money up front to start a company and once you have it, you need to pay people to process all the useless paperwork.

[forest edge]

ah well here in the US i don't think there is any additional loops then there ever has been, at least nothing that prevents businesses cause I see new small stuff all the time

but what I see is always way over priced and quality dosen't match the tag or it's just something stupid

[finite atlas]

Also, ironically, when you run your own company, you earn less money. (in germany)

Making starting a new company instead of just applying for a job in another one very unappealing

[forest edge]

well success has always determined profit

unless you are saying there is some kind of law that caps owners pay

[finite atlas]

no, but you have to pay a lot higher mandatory insurance fee's

from your own salary, after taxes
instead of lower fees before taxes when you are a employee

[forest edge]

so no one is creating a new popsocket business in germany. but more profitable type of ventures should survive. which still kind of aligns with what I was saying.. no new original thought cause no one can come up with something that everyone wants that dosen't already have

[finite atlas]

so i've obviously just heard and dont know any people personally, that just avoid that kind of bs and do black labour or what ever you call that on the other side of the lake

[forest edge]

black labor? you mean sell from the trunk of a car?

like produce

[finite atlas]

basically, yes

[forest edge]

here that is actually legal to a degree

there is a cap of how much you can make in a year and as long as you stay below that then you are pretty golden

[finite atlas]

here its to a tiny degree aswell, but not on the scale the people i've just heard from do

[forest edge]

tons of people do small things, sell things on the side like etsy/ebay etc

[finite atlas]

but they cant grow it much bigger or it gets too obvious

[finite atlas]

^ thats limited to 30 items or so and or 3000€ a year in germany

[forest edge]

yea i am not sure what it is here, but i'm sure it fluctuates by state

[finite atlas]

f u n

[finite atlas]

It got so bad in germany, that the platform provider has to snitch to the state when you've sold something.
Which resultet in the most popular online marketplaces to remove the "sold" button and replace it with "delete".

You cant sell stuff, when you delete it. Smarts.

[forest edge]

heh

I will say one thing i have been seeing more and more of is people favoring and learning how to work on older cars. that indicates newer stuff sucks but still, more diy is always nice to see

[finite atlas]

modern cars are a hell to repair

[forest edge]

like quality has dropped to the point people no longer want to deal with it lol

[finite atlas]

Stuff got so over regulated with cars.
Cars build in 2022 and after, must have these additional features:

• automatic emergency brakes (ok, i can see that point)
• automatic emergency steering (why must that be mandatory?)
• automatic speed assistant, scanning for speed limit signs and warns you when you go too fast (why must that be mandatory?)
• emergency brake lights (ok, i can see that point)
• car crash data logger / black box (why??)
• tiredness/sleep detection system (????)
• Camara for driving in reverse (??????)
• Tire pressure control system, since 2014
• a interface, to implement a system, to stop the driver from starting and moving the car, but no hardware yet

Why is such crap mandatory nowdays?

[forest edge]

how does automatic emergency brakes work?

assume that's to prevent roll away.. but how does that work?

[finite atlas]

It brakes, when an obstacle is too close

[forest edge]

oh oh

collision braking

[finite atlas]

like a car doing a emergency brake directly in front of you

yeah

[forest edge]

i gotcha

just about everything you listed is standard on newer cars here too. not sure if it's required or not but they have it

[finite atlas]

and how much do such cars cost nowdays

[forest edge]

one thing i hate that is mandatory is the auto engine off at stop lights etc, whatever that feature is called

[finite atlas]

its to save fuel and yes it does save fuel

why does it bother you?

[forest edge]

I get what it does, but i hate it

well they "claim" the starter is made for the sheer amount of extra work it will be put through but I call bs on that. another is I just hate it.. it's too weird

[finite atlas]

my brothers car has that feature, the starter has made 0 issues so far, even at -20°C

[forest edge]

starting engines is always more damaging to components than letting it idle

[finite atlas]

has any component died due to it yet?

[forest edge]

our forester has it and we had no issues so far, but just the mechanical aspect of it contradicts it being a smart idea

I get the emissions and fuel saving etc etc

but as i said, starting engines is the most damaging part of the cycle

time will tell if her starter lasts

[finite atlas]

and what will get damaged?

[forest edge]

they "claim" they are beefed for it

engines are a mechanical machinery, it's just common sense that initial start with extra vibrations, the start of metal on metal movement, the heat fluctuations it's the same for anything.

it's why stuff dies over time as is

[finite atlas]

i'd like to claim, that letting the engine idle for 20 seconds is more harmfull, that starting the engine in <1 second

[forest edge]

harmful combined for the environment.. sure

[finite atlas]

but i got no data to back it up, its just what my mind does see as obvious

[finite atlas]

you'll probably save more money on fuel due to that feature, than a replacement starter will cost

[forest edge]

no idea.. the "beefier" starter probably costs an arm and leg. not checked in on that

not to mention, not sure that is something i can replace here and if not then you got labor charges added lol

i think that feature has been out for a few years before we bought her 2019 so hopefully it works out

[finite atlas]

checked for my brothers car, the starter costs <90€ on ebay

[forest edge]

I always turn that off tho, and that's another thing.. they are removing the ability to manually disable that feature which blows

[finite atlas]

:/

that really blows

[static schooner]

I hacked it on my Audi to change the threshold that it uses to decide whether it needs to keep the engine running

But that stopped working on newer models

[finite atlas]

:/

What kind of tresholds did you change?

[static schooner]

It used to be nice that I could turn off the ventilation system to get it to turn off the engine while waiting for gas at Costco, but now it just stays on all the time for some reason

I don't recall exactly what it related to, but I think it was done around the HVAC

Basically whether it could keep everything running on the battery

[forest edge]

yea the forester does that, prevents the engine from turning off if the temps inside the cabin are not what the hvac is set to

[static schooner]

There's some secret formula they use

[forest edge]

to help keep you from burning up or freezing at the light lol

[static schooner]

My engine hasn't turned itself off in several years. Not sure what changed

There's a dashboard icon that shows up when it wants to, but decided not to

[forest edge]

welcome to modern electronics

which is another thing i dislike about newer cars.. everything is freaking eletronic.. even the parking brake.. like really? you took a manual cable driven thing and added a servo to control the mechanical part lol

[static schooner]

I like that mine auto engages every time I park and auto releases when I tap the gas

Great feature

[forest edge]

i don't think ours auto engages but it will auto disenge

[finite atlas]

you all will hate my decision, but this is what i see as the ideal car for me:

• full aluminium chassis
• very low air resistance and drag
• build 2000-2006 ish

cheap to run, 4 seats and when you need to haul a few things, you can lay the back two seats down for extra space

[static schooner]

I had to hack that too

[forest edge]

as a truck driver i find the vehicle hideous lol

[finite atlas]

:D

it looks goofy

but there is a 1.2L turbo diesel engine version, that gets real world 3.5L/100km (67 mpg)

[forest edge]

is germany not going all gun ho on electric vehicles like everywhere else?

[finite atlas]

it kinda is

but most people go for electric SUV's :|

and then use it to drive alone to work

[forest edge]

i am all on board for a electric truck but i am dead sure going to let others be the guinea pigs for this first decade

[finite atlas]

if you drive long distances or need to haul heavy things, i dont think electric is a great choice there for more than a decade from now

[forest edge]

lol yea, friend of mine works with someone who bought one of the newer ford electric trucks and went to haul his boat to the lake and only got about 60 miles off a single charge

[finite atlas]

oh i wonder why

[forest edge]

screw that, hopefully his truck was just fubared but still

[forest edge]

https://youtu.be/0idYygwULkw

[clear ferry]

The A2 is great, unless you need to replace a component inside the dash, fucking nightmare

[glacial knot]

An old colleague drives one of those
There's some hidde cost wrt. magnesium wheels, but otherwise it's apparently a great car

[clear ferry]

Afaik the magnesium wheels are optional, not required

[glacial knot]

yea, they aren't required. But apparently noticeable in fuel consumption

[clear ferry]

Would be quite a few kg difference

Can't imagine it being more than 1%

In fuel consumption difference that is

[finite atlas]

or when you have to fix something in the engine bay, its so cramped

[clear ferry]

Imo they have become cramped since the mid 00s anyway

[glacial knot]

I think he said 0.2ish l/100km

on <4l/100km mostly city driving

[clear ferry]

My 08 Audi A6, a pretty big car, had to remove the air filter box assembly to replace bulbs on one side, and the brake fluid reservoir on the other side

And it was still a nightmare

[finite atlas]

My grandparents car is so empty in the front, i could stand in there with both my legs

[clear ferry]

That sounds like my 77 volvo

[finite atlas]

it has just a 1.0L petrol engine

no turbo

[glacial knot]

mhh, 45HP cars

[finite atlas]

63, but yes

[clear ferry]

Great engine room to work in

Audi nightmare

Fun fact, it took the local Audi workshop longer to replace bulbs than me, I didn't bother doing it more than once,

[finite atlas]

all modern vw group cars are that terrible

[clear ferry]

Says something about how shitty the front design is

[finite atlas]

its also bothering me, that it feels like 50% of modern cars is plastics

[clear ferry]

Sure feels like it

The xc90 engine room is ridiculously small

I'm very impressed with that 2.0 though, 0-100 in 5.4s in a 7 seater SUV is pretty bonkers

Supercharged and turbocharged

[finite atlas]

200HP ?

[clear ferry]

320 for the engine

90 for the electric engine

410 combined

[finite atlas]

more moving parts = better! ||profits for the manufacturer||

[clear ferry]

7 year warranty is also nice

I just tell them something is creaking and they replace it

[finite atlas]

1 day before the 7 years warranty ends "my engine and gearbox is creaking"

[clear ferry]

Lawl

[finite atlas]

"the battery hisses at me when i charge it"

and there you go, you car is like new

[glacial knot]

most of what makes it small is volvo being tanks though

a good 20cm of armor on the front o.0 (I know, crumple zones)

[finite atlas]

you gotta push the stuck russians tanks to the side somehow without damaging the car

[clear ferry]

Fun fact, most people who had xc90 d5 were told their cars could get sized by military if needed last march

[finite atlas]

you have told it before

[glacial knot]

D5 is Diesel mid sized engine?

[clear ferry]

Yes

[last cedar]

My old Volvo has enough room to climb in and service it

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/905530832448524318/1095222086517145610/RDT_20230312_1658096909024115644272355.jpg

[forest edge]

lawn mower engines.. funny

[umbral cliff]

Same with my BMW. Plenty of room

[glacial knot]

it's more the generation/design year than the brand that matters

[clear ferry]

Winter still strong

[clear ferry]

Pretty good milage on this Toyota hybrid rental, 0.22l or roughly 100 us mpg

[last cedar]

No self control

[clear ferry]

Now I know what to buy @last cedar for Christmas

[glacial knot]

🤔 salami?

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/game-of-thrones-got-iwan-rheon-ramsay-bolton-sausage-gif-5435457

[last cedar]

Self control

[glacial knot]

pictures of imitations of raccoons?

talking about which, tomorrow my displates arrive 😮

[last cedar]

Displates?!

[glacial knot]

https://displate.com/displate/4913831
I didn't get this one, but now I regret it ;'D

[finite atlas]

raccoon fur for her house insulation

[glacial knot]

with or without the original owner?

[finite atlas]

mostly without, you need a lot of raccoon furs to insulate a house well

[glacial knot]

https://displate.com/displate/5531812 😂

Pretty sure the same joke is on there with karate

And that's a joke one of our trainers likes to make:
This sparks joy. For me, not you

[last cedar]

This is a work of art

[clear ferry]

ford will offer fully electric portfolio by 2030 in europe

pathetic

[orchid rose]

Why would you offer anything else in Europe by then?

[last cedar]

Obviously energy companies love this, will be able to charge 1 Euro per kW and no one can do anything about it 🤣

[clear ferry]

More like that is ridicilously slow

I thought Mercedes goal of 2027 was bad already

[orchid rose]

The energy crisis should be mostly behind us at this point. Electricity futures including 24% tax for the next 24 months trade at an average of around 0.095€/kWh + transport. We shouldn't see anything like what happened in 2021 or 2022

[orchid rose]

If you want to be depressed you should look into the numbers for the rest of the world. It's only really Europe that is pushing for Electric vehicles. Most others will be using combustion engines for the foreseeable future

US has like 1% market share for fully electric

[clear ferry]

5.6 in 2022 according to google

[glacial knot]

Which was foreseeable
There's only a couple few markets that can invest and switch entire infrastructure
And at least two (NA/Middle east) don't want to because the profit from oil

[clear ferry]

which was up from 3.1 in 2021

[orchid rose]

I believe that number includes hybrids which are like 70-80% of them

But it's been a while since I checked

[clear ferry]

https://insideevs.com/news/653395/evs-made-up-5point6-percent-of-overall-us-car-market-in-2022-driven-by-tesla/

[orchid rose]

BEV would be the real thing so you are right

[glacial knot]

e-fuels will be interesting for converting the countries that are usually 2nd or 3rd order consumers of current cars made for high income countries

I'm amused by light vehicle market, and then they point towards a car that's heavier than meme level sized trucks as one of the best sellers

[orchid rose]

https://i.redd.it/a3f1ny05d9i01.jpg

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/bSDn8.gif

[glacial knot]

My cousin has an F150 and it's just hilariously sized in German cities

[orchid rose]

There was a picture of one of those monstrosities parked in Paris or something and it looked a bit out of place lol

[clear ferry]

yeah, I know one guy who has an F150, he also has a couple of magnums and yells yehaw a lot 😄

he's a very good cisco engineer though

but that isn't a redeeming quality

[glacial knot]

they actually use the car offroad and to transport heavy shit some times

[orchid rose]

a pickup is less dumb than those "city offroaders". Not sure what the term would be in English, but the type of BMW a middle aged woman drives

[clear ferry]

The X5 and X7 is quite nice

the X6 is a dick extender

[orchid rose]

SUV duh

[clear ferry]

Or the X3

pretty useless

X1 even more so

[orchid rose]

The dumbest of car designs cmv

[clear ferry]

SUVs are fine, if they are large enough to have useful purpose

My old tiguan was just a tall Golf

pretty useless

the XC90 is bae

[orchid rose]

What's the purpose?

[clear ferry]

Kids, family space

the XC90 lets me haul either 3 rear facing seats and 2 adults + strollers + more luggage

[orchid rose]

wouldn't you have the same space in any other large car? Why is it shaped like something that's supposed to climb mountains?

[clear ferry]

or 5 kids, two adults and a fuckton of luggage

[orchid rose]

It's mostly the styling I dislike with these. If they are convenient then fine

station wagon > SUV

[clear ferry]

I believed station wagon was better too

before I got a proper suv

my volvo v70 was great, but with two kids it was reaching its limit

the v90 is a fucking piece of shit 😄

so the xc90 here I came

[orchid rose]

What are the advantages?

[clear ferry]

easier to lift kids in and out (no need to bend down), bigger doors (no need to twist kids), bigger boot in all axis (for luggage and stollers when that was a need) and a lot better ride comfor riding higher up, better visibility of road

the V90 would mean I'd have to bend to put kids in, rotate them 45 degrees and the viewing angles and visibility from the driver position is horrendous

also there is a difference of 120l luggage space

[orchid rose]

I see. The boot is probably more about the overall dimensions of the car than the shape? One would think a station wagon would have an advantage there

[novel nest]

I went from an estate to a “tall golf” for the reasons just stated 🙂

[clear ferry]

Fun fact, the V90 was a 1000l downgrade from my V70 because of the tilting of the rear

as a 2 seater that is

which I often do to transport bigger furniture

[orchid rose]

I'll just label both of you as soccer moms instead of admitting that I - as someone who doesn't even have a license - might be wrong

[clear ferry]

Also, 410bhp is fun in a 7 seater 😄

[novel nest]

Mine only has 5 seats and a little over 300bhp 😦
Everyone with a family is effectively a soccer mum (at least sometimes).

Sometimes I drive 2mins to the shops on my own, sometimes it’s loaded to the brim with people/stuff

[orchid rose]

going shopping on your own 👀

I personally just love the sleek aerodynamic designs that some of the older cars used to have. The SUV is the opposite of that in many ways

[glacial knot]

I dislike the design of stuff like the BMW X6

[orchid rose]

the newer BMW grills are horrendous lol

[clear ferry]

There is only two BMWs I could ever have owned tbh

the 635csi or a 7 series from the late 80s early 90s

Nice, I've upgraded my primary system to bookworm

it was 225 second downtime

😄

eirikz@mirai ~ % uname -a
Linux mirai.eirikzlab.local 6.1.0-7-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Debian 6.1.20-1 (2023-03-19) x86_64 GNU/Linux

[clear ferry]

I've started using GNS3 to do more hands on labs recently

and it's really gotten easy to use

Moist

[orchid rose]

Why haven't I integrated my monitor brightness with HA before, this is great... Maybe I should also do color temperature

[glacial knot]

hm, this was a fun little exercise. Adjust my config for photoprism so I can enforce the restricted container security policy

[orchid rose]

Where's the confusion Tinkerer? 🤔

[glacial knot]

@clear ferry what makes more sense
One namespace per application, or keep *arr and downloaders in a single namespace 🤔

[clever mortar]

Why do that from HA when there's local apps that can do it all?

[clear ferry]

I've been on vacation from Friday to the upcoming tuesday, then I suddenly got thrown into a project so I'm flying to denmark for three days on wednesday, apparently I've been booked into a spa hotel, nice 😄

[clear ferry]

I'd keep the media related in a combined namespace tbh

One namespace per application is... bonkers

[glacial knot]

Yea, I think it does make sense
And then photoprism and jellyfin in media servers
Potentially even paperless in that

[clear ferry]

I always look at namespaces as a proper way to do soft \ hard isolation between tentants, or shared apps

I've gotta sell myself to some UK customers so I can go visit Tinkerer 🤔

[glacial knot]

It's nice to have an isolated namespace to experiment with
Easiest way to nuke the entire config, including configmaps and services

[clear ferry]

just do an interesting search and delete based on labels instead

[forest edge]

@tidal bronze think i'm going to stop watching the news.. life seems so much better here in the midwest when i don't hear about you coastal weirdos lol

[orchid rose]

Good question. I think it's mostly to keep it all in one place in case there are some scenarios that I need to filter out with conditions

[tidal bronze]

@forest edge don't watch news at all. Life will be much better

[finite atlas]

life seems so much better, when you stop watching the news anywhere

[tidal bronze]

Only thing good I found in Canada 😃

[tidal bronze]

And binge "Shrinking" 😃

[forest edge]

ignorance is bliss huh? lol

https://tenor.com/view/ignorance-is-bliss-cypher-joe-pantoliano-the-matrix-oh-well-gif-22197092

[tidal bronze]

Always brother, always.

[forest edge]

should buy a remote island and just move there lol

[tidal bronze]

Well that's california

[forest edge]

the source of chaos? no thanks

[tidal bronze]

If you travel like I do you would think/feel differently

[forest edge]

if I spent more time away from the state then in it?

[tidal bronze]

I would die to spend 24 hours in LA

[forest edge]

so it's only those who have to endure long periods of being stuck in california that go nuts?

why would anyone willingly put themselves through that?

[tidal bronze]

Like Maine, liquor stores are closed at 9PM, only food you got is Wendy's 🤣 at 11PM. Yep we live in different planets

[forest edge]

there is life that isn't 24/7 open

[tidal bronze]

I will take all the fires, droughts, chaos, smash and grab etc etc over that.

[forest edge]

maine actually has some decent suburbs, secluded communities

they even have a town that supports golf carts everywhere

[tidal bronze]

Nothing comes close to LA. Nothing.

[forest edge]

yea cause when they do, they self ignite

califronia will be the first state to make "the purge" something real

that i have no doubt

[tidal bronze]

56 countries, 42 states. Yep, I will take LA over anything, with the purge.

[forest edge]

but you don't take it.. you are out of state 90% of the time lol

I think you like the "idea" of califronia but you hadn't been there long enough to really understand the reality of it lol

[tidal bronze]

Which makes me love LA even more.

10 days in New Brunswick Canada, I was about to go "purge mode"

[forest edge]

this is why older homes have pink and pastal green bathrooms.. people like you like the idea of something, execute it and then it's too late to reverse course and it's just ugly in person lol

[glacial knot]

yo quad
What was your result after playing with the mmwave sensors?

Are they usable for something cool?

[tidal bronze]

💯 I highly recommend them.

Took out all battery powered zigbee backup sensors and I am so happy.

[glacial knot]

what info do you get out of them? From what I've seen: occupied, and a scalar distance?

[tidal bronze]

I use them as Occupancy. Have 18 of them running.

The only bad thing is they get triggered by my roborocks so using boolean to ignore them at night. Other than that they are rock solid.

[glacial knot]

Now you need to integrate the roborock API better so you can selectivly ignore when they enter a room

[tidal bronze]

Now that's a thought.

They all run after 1 AM so I ignore any MW in those zones until 4AM

[forest edge]

plenty of homeless in califronia.. sure some would gladly replace the roborock and act as a occupancy sensor if you fed them

[tidal bronze]

I do my part, every weekend I am working 8 hours at the soup kitchen. I don't think it's right to get homeless to act as Occupancy sensors.

[forest edge]

whats not right about it? what do you think security guards do?

provide a chair and a number to dial.. who would bitch about that job?

[tidal bronze]

Welp security guards has nothing in common with homeless. You just talk about it I try to do something in my human capacity. Talk is cheap.

[forest edge]

offering jobs is within your capacity

[tidal bronze]

You have no idea about homeless. I would just lay it it to rest.

There 1700 miles between news/social media and real life.

[forest edge]

I mean I was just trying to joke a little. but jobs are jobs

[tidal bronze]

There's a whole honeless community here that want to be homeless because they don't want a carbon footprint. You talking about jobs? Lol. Lot to learn my friend. This is not Midwest

[forest edge]

don't want carbon footprint? not sure what that means. are they feeding and providing for themselves?

because if they are not and counting on others to help them.. tell me how that makes sense?

[tidal bronze]

I don't try to make sense of things. That's not my job. Help where I can and move on.

[forest edge]

well someone needs to make sense of something.. it's not exactly shrinking in numbers

[tidal bronze]

That's for you. Not for me. Main reason I don't watch news. News does not help people. If I can change 1 life that's my goal. Nothing else matters. Life is pretty simple.

[forest edge]

not for me, it's for the younger folk lol

[tidal bronze]

I am very impressed with the younger folk. 90% at the soup kitchens are young folk. Kudos to them.

[forest edge]

we don't have quite the numbers in homeless here as you do there. probably cause this is a republican state but like most states, there is no shortage of programs in place to help someone in need get a leg up, it's just many aren't trying imo

[tidal bronze]

I hear you. But I am not here to judge, that's not my call. I am hear to help in my capacity. What people do with thir life is their juju I am in no position to judge

[forest edge]

right now, because of the new generation not wanting to work many diffrent type of jobs.. like many in this server who want to work from home, leaves thousands and thousands of job opening open.. every place is suffering from lack of employees.. how is that possible?

[tidal bronze]

That's for them to decide. People who can make 2k a week from home ain't going to serve food. It's an era for smart ones to make money while they sleep.

[forest edge]

yea well the math is scary.

[tidal bronze]

Not for me. 😀

[forest edge]

course not, your a Californian lol

[tidal bronze]

Yes sir. Where everything new starts ❤️

[forest edge]

you guys justify spending over 20k on a single public outhouse that ultimatly never gets built yet the money gets spent lol

[tidal bronze]

We need to be wild to be the 4th largest economy in the world right? Might not make sense to you in Missouri but makes dollar sense all day.

[forest edge]

you know there is another fault line just off the coast that runs from Oregon on down that showing signs of activity.. maybe mother earth will solve some of the issues lol

[tidal bronze]

Numbers never lie. Talk is cheap. You gotta show up to talk up you know.

[forest edge]

today 4th, tomorrow 204th.. it's no thang lol

[tidal bronze]

Dream on playa

[forest edge]

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/11/business/economy/california-economy.html

they are already calling it lol

you guys can only shoot yourself in your own foot so many times.. you are running out of toes

[tidal bronze]

Don't you worry son. We will be all good. Mind you the fed funds you and 90% of states use is our money. Yep kale eating money. So wish us the very best always.

[forest edge]

gonna die laughing the first postcard i get from you from Texas lol

[tidal bronze]

I will end up in Timbuktu before TX. Sorry. Lost cause.

[forest edge]

don't worry @peak cloud will show you the ropes.. get you adjusted to texan life

help you buy a jeep rotf

[tidal bronze]

After what happened TSLA I will keep 2000 miles away from there.

[forest edge]

I suppose you could go to Florida.. but gross lol

atleast there you could still brag about your oranges ol

[tidal bronze]

Lmao. Never. I don't go outside the room when in FL. Who wants to be in swamp

[forest edge]

I don't think it's humid further south is it?

don't all the old peope retire down around the tip?

[steel crag]

I'm further south than Florida and its humid AF here

[tidal bronze]

110% humidity always allover guaranteed.

[forest edge]

oh

I thought florida had a "bubble" of it's own

[steel crag]

The Bahamas more like 120% humidity

You can never be more than 3.5 miles away from the ocean on my island

🤷🏼‍♂️

[tidal bronze]

You walk out the doors of the airport and it's like "someone please call 911"

Only bearable way is land, National Executive pick up, hotel room, lock doors!

[forest edge]

you wuss lol

[steel crag]

I dont lock my doors

At all

[tidal bronze]

Hotel hallways are hot. So gotta lock the doors and get room service to leave food outside. 😃

[steel crag]

Not here

[finite atlas]

what happend?

[steel crag]

Hotel hallways are ice cold because of quad

😂🤣

Bro when I stay in the hotels here I open the windows

[tidal bronze]

Wowza

[steel crag]

I also sleep on the floor but that's another issue

🤣😂

[forest edge]

I don't remember orlando being that bad but then was only there for 2 weeks lol

[steel crag]

I've been to Orlando about 50 times, Orlando is where you wanna lock your doors

[forest edge]

talking about the weather

[tidal bronze]

About 20 friends and kids met at Disney last year. 6 days I stayed in the room. It's simply torture

[steel crag]

Well I always have the AC on in Orlando

My old boss says Disney world is the biggest advert for safe sex in the world

[forest edge]

don't worry. you could always live like this

https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2020/04/02/15/bubble-boy-0.jpg?width=1200

[tidal bronze]

Can't believe people pay money for that shit

[steel crag]

The bubble?

Or torturing themselves to be around all those screamers

[forest edge]

safe sex? i don't get it

[steel crag]

Kids.

Get it?

[tidal bronze]

Lol

[forest edge]

oh

disneyland there had an adults only section.. it was certianly easy to pick up girls lol

[tidal bronze]

And my dumb cousin bought a place in Tampa. Had the audacity to invite me to spend the weekend. 😃

[forest edge]

there you go! you already got family there! it's perfect!

[steel crag]

That's weird I too have a dumb cousin in Tampa

[tidal bronze]

I went there for a weekend. Left in 8 hours. Can't take that shit.

[forest edge]

sooner or later you will be driven out of california.. you may as well plan now

[steel crag]

Two sisters in Lauderdale and a niece in Daytona

Oh and a nephew in Miami lol

[tidal bronze]

Miami 🤮

[steel crag]

Yeah I hate Miami

[forest edge]

i couldn't do miami.. not cause of the weather but cause of the stereotype lol

[steel crag]

I literally avoid it as much I can

I will not fly into Miami airport

[tidal bronze]

Only place out of LA I like in the states is WY

[forest edge]

if I ever left here that community in maine where they put golf cart paths everywhere really sounds interesting to me lol

[tidal bronze]

I could live there.

[steel crag]

I've never been to LA or WY

Furthest west so far is Chicago for me

[forest edge]

you'd probably freeze to death in colorado

[steel crag]

I've lived in Sweden above the arctic circle so I doubt it

[forest edge]

there is noway someone adjusted to living in always warm to hot weather could stand to be in a mountain range

thin air, cold as hell

insta death

[tidal bronze]

WY shit food but weather is so nice. Low humidity

[umbral cliff]

Interesting since you can ride your mobility scooter everywhere?

[steel crag]

Sonoma I grew up in the hills in England lmfao

[forest edge]

damn right. got a problem with that?

[steel crag]

Malvern hills are all 10,000ft+

[tidal bronze]

Which part@steel crag

[steel crag]

West Midlands, Malvern

[tidal bronze]

Love everything about UK. Specially Scotland

[steel crag]

In Worcestershire

[forest edge]

I said thin air.. not breezy air lol

[steel crag]

10,000ft up is pretty thin

[glacial knot]

That's the sauce land, right?

[steel crag]

It is indeed

[umbral cliff]

Nup
Just try not to run anyone over

[glacial knot]

War jester^^

[tidal bronze]

Wore sauce tee ree

[steel crag]

Queue the jokes

[tidal bronze]

Blood sausage for breakfast is where's it at

[steel crag]

Well since I gave up meat not for me since 1994

[tidal bronze]

Wow

[steel crag]

I'm an old bastard

[tidal bronze]

I just do transit in LHR for blood sausage

[steel crag]

I love Heathrow

[tidal bronze]

Me too

[steel crag]

I like to walk around there so much I nearly always miss my damn flight

[tidal bronze]

There's this hole in the wall just outside Heathrow, that servers a badass breakfast. All the airport personnel eat there. Simply badass breakfast

[steel crag]

I might know where you mean actually

I'm pretty sure my uncle and I stopped there the last time he picked me up

I love a proper fry up brekkie

And he does even more so

[tidal bronze]

Yep very popular amongst the staff there. Right outside and there's a line always for breakfast

[steel crag]

Unc used to be a motorcycle messenger in London

He knows all the good spots

[forest edge]

lines.. gross

[tidal bronze]

It's worth the immigration hassle. Just to have that sausage and black pudding

[steel crag]

Well I'm usually getting off at Heathrow

Dont usually transit thru the UK without stopping for a couple days or my family would kill me

[tidal bronze]

I do LHR 4 to 6 hours for that breakfast if I am heading to EU

[steel crag]

I've only done that once on the way back from Sweden

And I still hear about it

[forest edge]

you'll stand in line to eat something for hours on end but you can't handle a little humidity from the airport to your hotel room?

wtf

[steel crag]

He means 4-6 hour layover

Not wait that long

[tidal bronze]

I will take anything in life but sorry no humidity

[steel crag]

😂🤣

[forest edge]

he said there was a line, so I thought he meant that lol

[steel crag]

The English queue up for everything mate

Sometimes you're on a line and have no idea why

[forest edge]

so glad i live where i live

[steel crag]

In The Bahamas if you jump a queue you might as well beat yourself up

🤣😂

[forest edge]

lol

[tidal bronze]

Fat Boys Cafe
[phone]
https://maps.app.goo.gl/qTFibY4XM2AHWCLa7

[forest edge]

I don't care for tourist locations

[steel crag]

The whole country isn't a tourist location tho

You rarely ever see any tourists where I live

And I'm only 3 miles out of the "city"

[tidal bronze]

Bliss

[forest edge]

those cookies look a little over cooked lol

[steel crag]

Where. Are. The. Mushrooms. You. Heathen.

[steel crag]

That's because its blood sausage

[forest edge]

i figured they weren't cookies, but still look like burnt cookies lol

[steel crag]

And those toms are too ripe for me, gib green tomato

[tidal bronze]

I agree.

Green on the grill is just amazing

[steel crag]

Also gib bubble and squeak

I do turkey sausages 🤷🏼‍♂️

Proper fry up for brekkie and a ploughmans for lunch

[tidal bronze]

@steel crag after getting used to such great breakfast sausage how do you survive with the shit breakfast sausage in the US?

[steel crag]

Hit the chippy for dinner and krazie is a happy man

[forest edge]

shit breakfast sausage in us?

[steel crag]

I gave up beef and pork.... so I have to eat shitty sausage anyway

[steel crag]

Yes. Shit in comparison.

[tidal bronze]

I skip that shit always. It's not sausage it's some sort of plastic

[forest edge]

plastic? where do you eat?

[steel crag]

Not in the UK its not

Lol

[forest edge]

you comparing that to mcdonalds or something?

[steel crag]

Nah, everything I buy just about comes from the US

[forest edge]

maybe but dosen't mean you have access to everything lol

[steel crag]

With the exception of the British products I import especially

[forest edge]

that image above looks gross to me

[tidal bronze]

I buy mine from the British Grocery store here. Can't eat this US crap

[steel crag]

The internet has access to everything

[forest edge]

looks like canned beans

something wrong with those eggs

[steel crag]

Its heinz baked beans

[forest edge]

wtf is wrong with the tomatos?

[tidal bronze]

Yep Heinz FTW

[steel crag]

Fried

[forest edge]

the only thing on that plate that looks ediable is the sasuage and meat on the left.. and the blood sasuage looks gross to me

[steel crag]

And other than being a bit too ripe for my taste nothing

[steel crag]

Madman

The beans are amazing, the eggs are just fine but the blood sausage definitely isn't for everyone

[forest edge]

no bacon.. no thank you. no maple sasuage? no thank you lol

[steel crag]

Black pudding and blood sausage are acquired tastes

[steel crag]

Theres ham

[forest edge]

yea a flap of it lol

[tidal bronze]

Talking British grocery store, was there a minute ago. Best chocolate ever.

[forest edge]

and thats not bacon

bacon is bacon.. it may be ham, but it's not just ham

[steel crag]

We can actually get these here now

[tidal bronze]

Ham. 🤮

[steel crag]

99 flake stuck in a cone

Yessssss please

Those are nearly $3 here and I buy em by the box

[tidal bronze]

Just saw that US Nestlé owns Cadbury now.

[forest edge]

this is why I couldn't trust quad picking the places to eat.. he would make me throw up too much

[steel crag]

Yeah

[steel crag]

At least it's not Hersey

[tidal bronze]

Oh no. Never.

[steel crag]

Americans have no idea how to make chocolate

[tidal bronze]

Nopes, sadly

Smarties over M&M all Day

[steel crag]

Oh hellllll yeah

[forest edge]

don't smarties cause cancer in california?

[steel crag]

Air has a warning label in California

[tidal bronze]

Yep

[forest edge]

m&m's dont

[steel crag]

If smarties cause cancer in California it's because they made those in the US

😂🤣

[forest edge]

just think it's ironic, to pick one over the other lol

[steel crag]

I love both, but smarties are superior in every way

[forest edge]

i didn't think smarties was chocolate? aren't they just packed sugar?

[steel crag]

They are in the UK

Chocolate that is

And they are here too

Then again our Coca-Cola is made with real sugar

[forest edge]

wtf two types of candies with same name

euro got the short end of the stick when it comes to our pop

been like that forever

[tidal bronze]

Smarties Vs Smarties 🤣

[forest edge]

thats messed up

no wonder it isn't sold here

the sugar packed version has been around since i was a kid

[tidal bronze]

Yep. I like them too.

[steel crag]

Those sugar rolls are called something else here, not smarties....

[tidal bronze]

But if you eat the UK smarties you will never eat M&Ms again.

[steel crag]

If you eat a UK Mars bar you'll never eat a US one

[tidal bronze]

Of course. Mars all day.

[steel crag]

Curly wurlies also

And not chocolate but Fruit Pastilles

🤤

[forest edge]

i eat reece's pieces

no other chocolate comes close

[steel crag]

This guy

Lol

[tidal bronze]

Welp for me it would be this. My all time favorite

[steel crag]

Yes, but I had no idea they came in big bags!

We only get the tubes

And I always eat them all in one go

[forest edge]

i have something like that.. i think they good gut bacteria for your stomach gummies lol

[steel crag]

For that I eat probiotic yogurt

[tidal bronze]

Sorry GTS you don't get these things in middle earth

[steel crag]

But fruit pastilles and vanilla ice cream!

Thank me later

[forest edge]

probably the same thing, they just sell it to you west coasters as if it were candies lol

[tidal bronze]

Woah give me 30 minutes. I will hate you later.

[steel crag]

But fruit pastilles come from further east than the east coast so technically you're a westerner too then

[steel crag]

Listen! That shit is so good

And if you've got a 99 flake to crumble on it....... 🤤

[forest edge]

haha there is even a term for it. Functional Candy

[tidal bronze]

Murder she wrote

[forest edge]

when they trick people to eat shit that's good for them when they think it's candy

[steel crag]

You mean like when I wallop electronics to make it work and they call it percussive maintenance?

[forest edge]

yea except i imagine these practices actually work

[steel crag]

Percussive maintenance is really a thing tho

[forest edge]

now i'm craving green apple

[steel crag]

Granny Smith green apple or jolly rancher green apple or blow pop green apple?

Let's see if you're a man of culture

[tidal bronze]

Welp gotta get to my grill. Going to have some fruit pastilles with vanilla ice cream topped with flakes after. 😋

[forest edge]

any of the three.. although I haven't seen the jolly rancher type in awhile and the blow pop is so not good for you lol

[forest edge]

yea your gonna need something to help ease the passage after eating all of that

[steel crag]

That's why the ice cream

[forest edge]

nothing like self inducing diarrhea so you can eat weird stuff lol

[forest edge]

@umbral cliff now I wanna see the au version https://jalopnik.com/the-aussie-mad-max-is-so-much-better-than-the-lame-u-s-1729629931

although I have to admit, the aussie voice of the knight rider is too high pitched.. dude sounds girlish to me so I think the american version of his part at least is better lol

[umbral cliff]

Didn't even realise there was a US dub. But also not surprised

[forest edge]

made me wonder what else was dubbed lol

[umbral cliff]

Usa always wants a local dub because apparently films without American accents aren't as popular

[forest edge]

I understand the logic of accents being hard to understand like it states in that article. i understood everything in those clips

but some accents can be hard to understand

i guess Crocodile Dundee wasn't dubbed but apparently the au version has 6 more minutes of swearing lmao

[umbral cliff]

Most of the time it isn't for understanding, it's because Americans want American stuff

I can barely understand some us accents lol

[forest edge]

that is simply not true lol

[forest edge]

i have a hard time understanding some NY'ers

and they have a hard time understanding me

[glacial knot]

apparently I don't unerstand k8s NetworkPolicies =.=
I have one that allows egress to an IP outside the cluster, but it doesn't work 😦
Maybe because the target IP is on one of the nodes? o.0

[clear ferry]

That isn't normal afaik

One of Norways largest Unions have gone on strike due to only being offered 5.2% pay increase this year, this will be interesting

[glacial knot]

🤷 I fixed the client to use the cluster internal network and the network policy makes sense now

I'll test around a bit with that. I suspect it's a bug in cilium? 🤔

[clear ferry]

Might be, sounds like a corner case anyway

[glacial knot]

well, I hit it with another IP
The api server exposed into the cluster 🤔 kinda weird

@clear ferry just because I know you will hate it: https://github.com/Ongy/edge-k8s/blob/main/charts/jellyfin.yaml#L235

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/uhh-yeah-dan-levy-david-david-rose-schitts-creek-gif-20805100

[last cedar]

@clear ferry your Volvo was turbo and supercharged right?

[clear ferry]

Got a picture of @last cedar in the pool

[forest edge]

how else would a 3k pound aluminum can propel forward with a lawn mower engine? pretty sure nos was used to get up to speed limit

[clear ferry]

The xc90 yes, the V70 no

[last cedar]

Sorry everyone, it is me raising world sea levels

[last cedar]

Is this your turbo?

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/peppa-pig-gif-24455840

Classic Michelle

[glacial knot]

TIL: pipefail and grep -q don't work well together

[last cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/seal-chonk-gif-18289017

[clear ferry]

One of the seals were called Lyra

https://tenor.com/view/iorek-byrnison-iorek-his-dark-matterials-gif-15382682

[ashen parrot]

Hey Tinkerer I remember you mentioned shit spy shows a couple days ago

do you happen to know The Bureau? "Le Bureau des Legendes"

just wanted to share this, as it's very close to the real thing (french production)

none of that james bond crap

[clear ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/enhance-zoom-gif-24250451

[low harness]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/397426163649216512/784835976400207922/obama_depixel.png

[clear ferry]

Btw, presentation of hololens used in DC, I love it

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/sigma2_demo-of-smarthands-and-the-use-of-hololens-activity-7052546201610551296-D9Hu?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_android