Peacemaker

[midnight charm]

I heard an interesting theory about this earth

This earth isn’t like traditional Earth X. This earth still had the Americans win WW2 however a Fascist Revolution happens sometime in the 1990s to 2000s

Main things that support this are stuff like Pokemon and Spider-Man still existing alongside Alternate Peacemaker’s Gun being made in Israel.

Also rock and roll music exists which just doesn’t happen if the Nazis take over America in WW2. They even mention it in Season One when vigilante goes up to Chris’s Dad when he’s in Jail.

[heady jasper]

Do you think Nazi America still sends money to Israel in this dimension?

[hollow jacinth]

Okay besides the obvious sexual line, is it just me or did Lex seem a lot closer to the DCAU’s Lex when he appeared

Just really cold and collected

It felt a bit different than his performance in Superman

[frigid jay]

Well, he’s been in prison for a few months

[forest zenith]

You mean animated Lex?

[hollow jacinth]

DC Animated Universe

yes

[forest zenith]

Nah this lex still seems less in control. Animated Lex (usually) keeps his anger under control

He does remind me of the Lex voiced by Rainn Wilson

[frigid jay]

Rainn Wilson played Lex??

[forest zenith]

Yeah in some of the later animated movies. I think in death and reign of the Supermen? 🤔

[hollow jacinth]

Hate that version

Lex Luthor being a pathetic little wimp is in line with his character but I much prefer it when Lex Luthor has some level of genuine intelligence and wit

[forest zenith]

I kinda like it because Wilson brings out his inner man child

[hollow jacinth]

I’m pretty sure it’s just a bias thing on my end, having grown up with the animated version I expect the character to have some level of malice to him. However I know that it’s not always how his character was written.

[frigid jay]

oh he was lex in the new 52 DCAMU movies. huh, neat. theres a lot of actors in those that always catches me off guard when i learn about them. like Alan Tudyk being superman in Justice League War

[heady jasper]

WHY IS HE IN HUSH???

WAS HE THERE TO KISS THE RIDDLER ON HIS QUESTION MARK SCAR???

[forest zenith]

I don’t remember. Haven’t watched it in a while

[hollow jacinth]

The Hush movie is so goddamn stupid

It’s worse than the actual comic it’s based on

[heady jasper]

I don't get Hush

[hollow jacinth]

The animation is ugly

[heady jasper]

Is he just a rich kid whose jealous of Bruce?

[hollow jacinth]

And they made Hush the Riddler because???

[heady jasper]

Adaptation change because why not

[hollow jacinth]

If you are going to make a Hush movie in the first place at least make the animation actually look good

That was like the main draw of the original comic

I’m glad The Long Halloween adaption played it mostly safe

[heady jasper]

Very ambitious to make Sofia a muscle mommy

This is the real reason why I never watched the Penguin show

[hollow jacinth]

I’m surprised by the amount of people here who haven’t seen The Penguin show

It’s actually so peak

Even people cynical of The Batman will like it

[heady jasper]

Did Circle like it?

[hollow jacinth]

Circle has not seen it

[heady jasper]

LMAO

Can't make fun because I haven't either

[keen stone]

https://tenor.com/view/guardians-of-the-galaxy-guardians-of-the-galaxy2-peter-quill-star-lord-star-lord-what-gif-24549462

[heady jasper]

If I remember right, Riddler became Hush to be taken more seriously?

Idk, I think YouTube shorts spoiled that for me

At least Catwoman killed him

[frigid jay]

I watched it and I don’t really remember. Poison Ivy mind controls Superman he fights batman. I think Lex might have had a cameo during that

[keen stone]

the fuck is hush even about

[frigid jay]

Good question

[keen stone]

I don't even hate the idea of the character

[frigid jay]

It’s not even hush. It’s riddler who covers himself with bandages and names himself hush and gets super intimidating

[keen stone]

honestly I think he'd be a better green arrow villain cause the idea of a rich kid being jealous of his friend for inheriting a company feels more on brand with ollie's gimmick

[frigid jay]

Only so they can do the twist of killing the guy who normally is hush

[keen stone]

as a batman villain there's like nothing to do with him after the very basic set up

[frigid jay]

One day I might read hush

[keen stone]

Batwoman's version was so funny they had someone else develop magic face stealing surgery skills and then hush just sorta had them make a bruce wayne mask for him

he also looked like ass

[frigid jay]

https://tenor.com/view/negative-man-doom-patrol-doom-patrol-show-dc-dc-universe-gif-13539738

He can never be him

[keen stone]

No one truly can

I miss doom patrol ☹️

[keen stone]

I'll get around to it eventually maybe

[midnight charm]

If 9/11 still happens in this alternate universe then probably

[heady jasper]

"Mein Fuhrer, a second plane hast hit da towas"

[forest zenith]

[heady jasper]

Rewatching Superman

Unless Creature Commandos is different, I think Rick Flag Sr. just lawful evil

[keen stone]

he's kinda neutral throughout the entire show

and horny

[heady jasper]

Bro keeps the US's boot very clean with his tounge

Sr. would have snapped that hard drive in The Suicide Squad in half right before trying to bang Harley Quinn

I wonder if we are going to get a scene where it turns out he's not really torn up about Jr.'s death and is more upset about him wanting to sell out America

[heady pine]

I feel like that's going to be touched on

I like that line he has where he's talking about how his son was him but better, I feel like he truly believes that

[forest zenith]

I believe it too

Worst thing jr. did was cheat on a witch

[heady jasper]

What was Katana's reaction to Junior's death

[keen stone]

I mean...he was in charge of a human rights violation called the suicide squad

[heady jasper]

She had his back

[keen stone]

kinda by its very nature he was a bit of a monster

[worldly zinc]

What if the big cameo is actually katana coming to get payback

[forest zenith]

Half of them have done bad enough to not be considered fully human anymore

[keen stone]

oh well in that case he's a real superman

[forest zenith]

Compared to his dad, yeah

[worldly zinc]

Tbh I wouldn't actually mind if they brought Karen back as katana. Her along with Margaret robbie are some of the best comic book castings (for a absolutely dogshit film)

[keen stone]

I don't even know if diablo and slipknot did anything insane, I know diablo didn't mean to kill anyone his powers just got out of control but slipknot is just "the man who can climb anything" like what was his crime 😭

[forest zenith]

Maybe he hung people. Seems like the only offense he could do

[heady jasper]

The Suicide Squad is made up of 90% villains 10% misunderstood people that Waller throws into a woodchipper so I dont think most of that is on Junior

[forest zenith]

Or maybe his ability was so stupid, they arrested him for that

[worldly zinc]

I kinda viewed jr for gunn at least as somebody who doesn't paticularly like the human rights violations. But is more willingly to accept the idea of task force x as a unfortunate necessity. At least until the end of the film

[heady pine]

Ye

[keen stone]

If we're seriosuly discussing this the entire point of flag's death is that he realized he's been working for bad people and doing bad things for them for years

[heady jasper]

Also Cricle, based on your critique of Harcourt I think its interesting that Lois in Superman is the same kind of character but written better (in your opinion)

[keen stone]

funny cause I didn't like lois and clark's dynamic in the movie

[heady jasper]

Have you considered that maybe you hate Heterosexual Romance?

[forest zenith]

Yeah the SS is one thing, but him realizing his job was to hide the deaths of civilians was too far for him

[worldly zinc]

Can we put cirble in waller woodchipper

[keen stone]

I love Clark and Lois in lots of stuff, I just don't think they had much to do in the movie outside of argue

[worldly zinc]

Also i know its metaphorical. But I feel like waller would have a actual woodchipper that she occasionally pushes people into

[keen stone]

I really like the one tweet that was like "whoever wrote this movie 100% is divorced cause that dinner scene came from a real place" and then they replied with a screenshot of gunn's wiki showing his divorce like "yep, sorry bout that mr gunn"

[forest zenith]

I’m sure he would appreciate that tbh

[heady jasper]

Rip Slipknot

He could climb anything

[worldly zinc]

Couldn't escape the woodchipper 🙏

[heady jasper]

Waller killed the most powerful member of her team for no reason 😔

[worldly zinc]

I do think the concept of katana joining task force x without the bomb in her head funny though.
Like isn't this supposed to be off the books. With specifically criminals so they couldn't reveal anything. Why would you then hire a trained killer to keep them inline, who could realistically blow the whole thing after the fact

Like at that point just hire some assassins

[ember plover]

Well thinking just based off the movie but since she’s dating Rick Flag maybe he convinced her to join

[heady jasper]

Fair, but they're pretty clear that their romance is very unlikely since they're totally different people. But hey, at least Superman isn't pressuring Lois into talking about her feelings for him and Lois isn't throwing tantrums every five minutes.

[keen stone]

Yeah it's definitely not like the worst thing in existence

I'm just not a fan of when clark isn't really a good reporter, I feel like that's the kinda thing that they should be on the same page about even if they do it for different reasons. Like he investigates people to help them and Lois investigates to expose corruption, which she does do in the movie. It's just Clark seems to see reporting in general as kinda ridiculous, at least he treats it that way, and it's kinda upsetting watching him be so dismissive of her career that she's very passionate about.

And I'm always fine with relationships having real flaws, as long as the story makes a point to address them if they want the pair to be a happy couple by the end of the story. And they never really address the way that Clark was being a jerk and Lois was just doing her job and being extremely reasonable. Instead the moral is that she was wrong for bringing up very real questions about Superman's jurisdiction because president boravia mcbadguy is so evil that we should just smile and be happy someone as good as superman is torturing people like that.

Oh I forgot to mention but Lex brought up the fact that billionaire funded metas are killing foreign officials and no ones seems to care so I'm glad they are addressing that and making it part of the story.

[worldly zinc]

Tbf that was about hawkgirl and gunn specifically said her doing that would be important before hand

[keen stone]

I know he was talking about Hawkgirl

Superman ain't billionaire funded

Also I don't count what Gunn says online as a story point

[worldly zinc]

I'm pretty sure he said it in a interview when asked?
At least 80% sure it wasnt a random reply

[keen stone]

It's still something I'd have to see online

[worldly zinc]

Hawkgirl anthology series where she goes around killing shitty world leaders 🙏

Then she makes out with supergirl

[heady pine]

I do agree here, I wish there was at least a scene where he doesn't seem so dismissive of Lois and his entire chosen career

[heady jasper]

I don't think he's dismissive of Lois I think he's mainly irritated by people talking very coldly about something that would have resulted in innocent deaths

[keen stone]

She isn't really even asking about that though, she's just asking what he specifically did and he's being very reluctant to admit he tortured the guy

And then she brings up the hate comments and he gets all pissy about it

And it's coupled with the fact that he's interviewing himself as Superman and just generally doesn't seem to understand what being on the record means, it feels like he just doesn't know or doesn't care about the ethics and practices of his job. Which its one thing to not care about himself, but it's her career on the line too and it's far more important to her.

[forest zenith]

He never did answer all her questions either

[hollow jacinth]

All of this should be taken with some grain of salt much like The Batman this is still a very early version of the hero character

Much like Bruce can still evolve so can Clark

Him being brash and temperamental due to his lack of understanding seems like something that could very well be an early learning curve moment for Clark

[keen stone]

And I'm fine with that on paper, I think the issue I have is that it all seems to go against what people took away from the movie, which is the idea that it's important to show everyone kindness. Which isn't part of Clark's arc or potential arc at all, and it just leaves these flaws he has largely unaddressed.

[worldly zinc]

I think the film makes it pretty obvious theres the cour of superman there. But he has work to do in his personal aspects.

[heady pine]

I mean he also did apologize later in the scene in front of the window, so it does at least somewhat address it but I get what you're saying, I do wish there was more there in that aspect

Superman saved the world tho I don't think you should be so mean to him

[heady jasper]

Speaking of Superman

Still a peak film

My favorite thing that I noticed on rewatch is the first move in Lex's Fighting system is punching Superman in the face

He's such a petty asshole

I love him so much

[heady pine]

I thought about that too I was like wowww dude

[heady jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/screaming-lex-luthor-superman-aaah-raging-gif-11297985997473498830

[heady pine]

The first move he comes up with

Genius

[keen stone]

I think the biggest thing is that outside of the inciting incident of him intervening in a global conflict off screen, there's not really any points where his brash aggressive behavior results in something going wrong for him. Like we could change it so that he didn't attack the boravian president, that he solely went in and saved people from getting shot and non-violently disarmed the soldiers and the rest of the film could play out exactly the same. We could cut the entire fight with Lois and the plot would be unchanged.

Lois could still be inspired by his unrelenting trusting nature to go get help from the Justice Gang without him throwing a tantrum about #supershit

[heady pine]

Idk that's one of my favorite scenes, to me it shows that he's so sensitive about wanting to come off as a safe person that it cuts into him actually being a safe person, and I feel like his apology later shows some growth, I don't think kindness is this one size fits all thing that's the same in every situation, humans are complex

I really do hope we get a flashback of some sorts of him intervening

[keen stone]

I think in a vacuum the scene is interesting, I just think the movie overall doesn't really build on the ideas through the story

[heady pine]

I also don't think being aggressive is inherently a bad thing, we're all different and we have different reactions to injustices and it only shows to reason that Superman's would be defensiveness and aggressiveness, I feel like he just doesn't like journalism being done to him

[heady jasper]

I think its interesting that Circle's very critical of Lois and Clark because I think that's Gunn's best written romance

[heady pine]

I can definitely agree with that

[heady jasper]

Like, for all the good writing that is in it Peter and Gamora are a very typical "nerdy guy gets hot girl"

[keen stone]

I won't say the bar's in hell but it's not very high

[heady jasper]

While Infinity War fucked up their arc I do think it meant that Peter and Past-Gamora got a more interesting conclusion to their relationship

[heady jasper]

Is it just a Gunn thing?

[worldly zinc]

I feel like its less Clark not liking or taking journalism seriously. And more so just him not being used to being pressed on issues. He's not use to having is actions actually questioned or brought under this much scrutiny. Especially in such a personal manner. I think its realistic for him to blow up even a little bit. Especially when the scene also shows that he does take a lot of the mean comments personally. (And also his final speech)

[keen stone]

It's not inherently a bad thing but the point of the movie, his big speech, is that what makes him better than Luthor is he can admit when he's wrong and grow as a person. That he feels guilt and empathy, that he doesn't see himself as perfect. And that's great, that is quintessential Superman. It's just his faults and trip ups don't affect the story. He gets angry and petty a couple times and then just says sorry and everything continues on as normal.

[heady jasper]

Especially because from his perspective he's just been doing the same thing he has been the whole time. The main difference is that people treat saving a cat from a tree and interfering in global politics differently.

[keen stone]

It's not about whether or not it's realistic, it's about what the takeaway should be based on what the film shows us, not what he screams at us at the end. If the point is that you can make a mistake and it'll have consequences but you shouldn't double down or become bitter and resentful but instead continue forward and try to make up for it and be a better person, then we need to actually see Clark struggle with that. Even with his space parents, he barely gets a second to actually address things with the people of Metropolis.

[heady pine]

I get what you're saying, maybe they could have had a bit in the kaiju fight where he messes up bc he loses his temper, or even during the Ultraman fight, once he realizes it's a clone he starts not holding back but that has consequences somehow

[keen stone]

You know what would be a real sign that he's growing and maturing? If the film ends with him doing a public interview with Lois to talk about his parents message and how he messed up and thought they were good people and that he was wrong. Show the people that he's sorry, that he can take criticism, and that he'll do better in the future and be more transparent with them.

[jolly plover]

The scene with Harcourt and Chris tore me apart I’m sorry but it was excellently written

[keen stone]

Hey man if it hits for you to each their own, I just felt like I was watching a douche argue with his emotionally repressed girl while being told I was watching a love story

Which again, I'm not opposed to the two being flawed like that, but every intro he spins her around all romantic like we're watching them fall in love and I'm not seeing love

[heady pine]

That's the point tho, douches are human too

[heady pine]

I do hope there's like a press conference in Man of Tomorrow with something like this

[keen stone]

I'm not seeing the implied growth, I don't think either of them are good for each other, and I think they both should find other people and healthier lifestyles. I don't see a version of things where they can end up together and it feels earned and I feel like that's where the show is going to end up.

[heady pine]

I also want more Lois/Superman interactions bc it's funny

[worldly zinc]

I kinda think the movie does that though. Like I think him genuinely approaching lois for a interview was a good way to show his approach was changing. Like it ended up being an excuse for them to slip away and make out. But it think its clear he was serious when he approached her

[heady jasper]

Honestly I really wish I had rewatched Season 1 of Peacemaker before jumping into the new one because I feel like I'm missing out on Harcourt and Chris from Season 1 so their relationship does feel as shaky as Circle describes it

[heady pine]

True, they could've even thrown in a line or two after they kiss and make up where he's like "I was serious about that interview"

[keen stone]

I just prefer showing not telling is all, you don't gotta imply that he's asking for a real interview just show me it happening.

[worldly zinc]

But also I think the fact Clark wrote the article about mali does also show his growth as a journalist. Telling a actual story rather than a biased look through superman

[keen stone]

I won't lie, I'm also forgetting a lot about the specifics of their season 1 dynamic. But I think the fact that it's so forgettable doesn't exactly help.

[heady jasper]

I do appreciate that the movie left that for the audience to interpret. I understanding that its annoying that a film with a script that's as tight as this one, but I'm glad that was left up for people to pick up because obviously Krypton doesn't define Clark and the people riding that wave of fear were the main villains.

[keen stone]

That is a nice detail, but it doesn't really make up for how he treated Lois. Like I'm glad he cares more about his own career, but the problem was that he didn't take her seriously and wasn't ready to own up to his own mistakes.

[hollow jacinth]

I must say the actors have remarkable chemistry together thought

[heady jasper]

I meant to say this earlier when Fox mentioned that Gunn interview thing, but I don't think big story things should be left for blink-and-you-miss-it details. I still enjoy the movie even though it probably could have handled some things better but I don't think saying that a criticism was addressed because of some minor thing is a good way to counter Circle's point.

[hollow jacinth]

One could hope we see more of them in the sequel

[heady pine]

I keep seeing memes about their spouses 😭

[keen stone]

I don't really see that as being fair to the audience though to just imagine the scene instead. When to me that would be the resolution to his arc in the movie, instead we see him looking at his earth parents in a montage which doesn't really show him taking accountability for how he's brushing off all the people of the city. Like they all got mad at him and he just angrily stomped off, like he's allowed to do that since he's in shock but he does owe them an explanation. Instead he just seems happy that he personally is at peace with his life, but that's not the issue.

[hollow jacinth]

As much as we need more Superman movies that are good we also need more Superman movies with actual Superman side characters as the side characters

The Justice Gang was cool and such and boy I enjoyed Mr. Terrific but the core Daily Planet was so good and they barely get utilized

[heady pine]

Real

[heady jasper]

Like, I don't mind a lot of the stuff that bothered Circle but I don't think saying "it's okay it was addressed in some random thing" really helps

[heady pine]

I liked that they had their little bit near the end when they were in the T-Sphere but I agree, there should've been more to that sideplot, specifically with Jimmy

[worldly zinc]

Being completely honest.
I do completely feel like Clark and lois not working as a couple is entirely the point. Like they work. But they aren't. Either because lois is struggling to commit and Clark is struggling to face himself.
It could have been explored more on lois side. But I think it works on them coming together by seeing the other side perspective.

[heady pine]

Jimmy Olsen should never be underutilized

[worldly zinc]

This is generally like the main time when I think the Clark and lois scene after arriving at the Kent farm shouldn't have been cut

https://fxtwitter.com/JuanEditzs/status/1970356194389950941?t=-HFplZoHRQCB0ZrYjWrhrA&s=19

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[heady jasper]

This is the DC film that should have been three hours instead of the Snyder Cut

[worldly zinc]

Like i understand why it got cut to an extent. But I think its fairly important for lois mindset

[keen stone]

I'm not saying that it isn't the point or shouldn't be the point, I'm saying I don't think the film did enough to show that Clark came around to Lois's side by realizing he has to earn people's trust. Like it makes sense to write the story so that Superman grew up believing he was an ultimate good because his space parents implicitly told him he was, and that trust was broken when he found out that wasn't true. Once he realizes that some people are genuinely just that bad, he becomes despondent and loses that hope that defined him and turns himself in because he's scared he is a dangerous threat and has been doing something wrong like everyone keeps telling him. But then Lois on the other end realizes that Superman was right to trust people, that it's a two way street and if you're cynical of everyone you meet then of course everyone is going to let you down. But they meet each other in the middle where Lois saves him by trusting other heroes and Superman listens to her criticisms and understands the importance of earning trust through communication. It all works as a) the decisions needed to move the plot forward, b) a wider lesson on how humanity can start to bridge the ever growing divide, and c) a resolution on why their relationship wasn't working. She was so cynical she thought it was doomed from the start, he was so certain it'd work he didn't put in the effort to make sure it would by actually listening to her.

But instead, Clark turns himself in to save Krypto and doesn't do anything to rebuild the public's trust by the end of the movie outside his usual hero stuff.

And the only thing he does to fix his relationship is apologize once and ask for an interview we never see him give as an excuse to make out with her.

[worldly zinc]

But I really don't think Clark needed to rebuild public trust for him personally. He was gonna keep on saving people regardless and that's kinda part of his speech. Lex hurt him on a deeply personal level. But hes gonna keep going no matter what. Him just continuing to act showcases that.
Sure he could have publicly stated what he did and didn't know about the message. But I don't think that would actively change much.

[keen stone]

But it's a film where the main leads are journalists though. To me you can't say that it doesn't matter what the public does and doesn't know when Superman's motto starts with "truth" in the most literal sense. When Metropolis is quite literally torn in two and the film ends with them having to figure out how to deal with the permanent damage Luthor has caused, even if things are mostly back to normal. When a major plot point is that Luthor is manipulating the public against him in a way that's supposed to be a commentary on the social media outrage that's fueling the political divide in America.

And I should be clear, the film does most of what I'm saying. It's not like it ignores it all completely like Man of Steel or whatever. The fact that Luthor is sent away because of the article the Daily Planet team writes shows that Gunn cares more about that element than most Superman movie writers have in the past. It just struggles to get all the way there for me because it feels like preoccupied with so much else.

[heady jasper]

Doesn't absolve the film but it feels pretty realistic for most of the public to move on to new controveries pretty quickly

I wouldn't be surprised if Man of Tomorrow follows up on some of this stuff more, especially if we get something like Zodd

[keen stone]

I won't lie "it is realistic" is becoming such a cop out answer

Not just with you, but like across the internet as a whole

[heady jasper]

I did literally say it doesn't absolves the film lmao

[keen stone]

I know, this was something that was bothering me earlier tbh

You know what I won't get into it it's late and I've yapped enough.

[heady jasper]

Fair enough

[hollow jacinth]

Vigilante in this episode in this episode was like movie Deadpool if he was an actually likeable character

[heady jasper]

Lex Luthor after being put in a cell next to a happy Gay couple (Superman will not be paying child support)

https://tenor.com/view/screaming-lex-luthor-superman-aaah-raging-gif-11297985997473498830

[worldly zinc]

The funniest thing is that i think if this was any other franchise or project. It would probably be a throw a way line and not associated with any actual characters.
But james gunn is such a fucking nerd that they physically have to be some character in dc backlog

[ember plover]

How Mister Terrific will look when he’s asked to help Peacemaker on Earth X

[heady jasper]

I think it would be really funny if Mister Terrific was the only superhero that Peacemaker liked

[raw snow]

We’d already mentioned here that the dance in the intro gives away the Earth X twist, right?

[raw snow]

I feel this with Mutant Mayhem and Homecoming’s teen / high schooler dialogue tbf. Both their follow-ups didn’t have as much of that issue for me though.

[keen stone]

Yeah but both of those stories are built upon that style of dialogue to enhance the characterization and the tone.

I don't mind when a character acts realistic when they're meant to represent something in real life explicitly, I mind when something about a movie feels like it contradicts the overall theme or hurts character arcs and people hand wave it with "yeah but things aren't satisfying in real life so it makes sense that a fictional story isn't satisfying"

[keen stone]

I wouldn't say give away, I think it and the Bludhaven pronunciation were good subtle clues

[keen stone]

How you feeling

Truly only literal Nazis pronounce it Blued-haven

[forest zenith]

Tbf it sounds nicer blued

[worldly zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/gi-robot-creature-commando-not-see-squinting-suspicous-gif-2280254102439360783

[heady pine]

Someone actually did btw

[forest zenith]

Makes sense

[raw snow]

The Earth X people should call themselves the X-Men

Would be iron-ic

[ember plover]

Yea and then people complained and Fortnite took the emote away

[forest zenith]

Something just occurred to me. Earth X Adrian knows who Spider-Man is. Spider-Man is still a thing on this earth. What is he like?

If you post the lotus meme, you’re gonna be forced to watch The Flash movie

[keen stone]

I'm afraid you're too late

It's been posted like twice already 😭

[forest zenith]

Ah fiddlesticks

[heady jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/spiderman-marvel-lotus-racism-spider-man-gif-7263605872005880589

[dull osprey]

They got him

How tf Pokemon exist in a world where the Axis won WWII

[midnight charm]

Simple they didn’t

This America had a facist uprising after ww2

[worldly zinc]

You won't believe who was in the axis

[hollow jacinth]

Life finds a way

[dull osprey]

Yeah, but like... I doubt that the Imperial Japanese Goverment would allow such gay shit like Pokemon to exist.

(I like Pokemon)

[dull osprey]

I totally agree with that theory. I'm gonna feel pissed off if they go with the "Germany/Axis won WWII and everything is now bad" route.
Becasue like... Glam Rock, Hard Rock and Metal still exist in this world with their own versions of their respective Bands.
Stuff that definitely wouldn't exist if the Axis had taken over the world after WWII.
The idea that a Neo National Socialist revolution engulfed the U.S. during some point in the 21st century would explain why everything virtually looks like the normal world just without... You know what.

Not to mention is slightly more unique.

[hollow jacinth]

It’s Earth X

This is a nothing new concept 😭

Also I wouldn’t expect Gunn to really explain it in the two episodes we have left

[dull osprey]

Standard Earth X has the National Socialists winning WWII.
Not having a Neo Nazi Revolution in the US.

[worldly zinc]

I think the show makes it incredibly clear that all the genre of music that do exist are significantly worse though.
Especially without the existance of black people in america to revolutionise a lot of music

[hollow jacinth]

He will probably have a long winded Twitter response though if you ask in

[frigid jay]

The vigilantes have a deep conversation about how Pokemon still exists in the fascist dystopia of earth X

And that’s all of episode 7

[dull osprey]

Yeah, the actual National Socialist of WWII would definitely allow a bunch of guys to perform looking like this.

[dull osprey]

Peak.....

[hollow jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/krennic-ghorman-andor-orson-krennic-director-krennic-gif-3690017523411688195

Not the gif I was going for but sure

“Peacemaker there is something you need to know… you ever wonder why Pokémon exists in this fascist state? Well it’s a story some wouldn’t tell you”

I hope zero action happens in episode 7 and it’s just lore dumps about the geo political state of Earth X

[dull osprey]

I would unironically love that.

I'm a massive Loretard.

[dull osprey]

Do you know how "Prision Culture" is?
I really doubt they are "happy"...

[dull osprey]

Mfw, the Literal Nazi America still has a "good" relationship with Israel.

[forest zenith]

Wait when was his gun made in Israel?

[jolly plover]

Why is vigilante dressed up as Chris Chan dawg

[forest zenith]

The best ending Chris could ever get

[midnight charm]

The Scene where Nazi Chris Puts his Deagle against the head of Prime Chris

[forest zenith]

Oh interesting

Is that an oddity? Idk how many guns are made in Israel

If any

[worldly zinc]

This is a subtle reference to the fact isrealis are hitlerites

[frigid jay]

I feel like peacemaker is a lot more on the nose about the Israel Palestine stuff than Superman was. The sons of liberty terrorists we’re made out to be the bad guys until the reveal that actually the country is full of Nazis and they just wanna stop them from oppressing minorities who from the sound of it, are kept in concentration camps

[hollow jacinth]

James Gunn: what is an Israel?

[forest zenith]

Isn’trael

[visual shore]

Y'all think the Earth X version of Black Panther is played by Ryan Gosling?

[forest zenith]

Are you trying to redeem earth X?

[visual shore]

No but it'd be funny

[forest zenith]

https://vxtwitter.com/boboomf/status/1973258908321063283

lucas (@boboomf)

https://t.co/tKU2J2EI0r

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[heady jasper]

Most Chris and Adrian moment that's happened this season

[jolly plover]

Peacemaker tonight yall

[heady jasper]

who up peacing they maker

[ember plover]

I will be pausing Ghost of Yotei for this

[worldly zinc]

https://x.com/Reza_shuaib/status/1973804395977711727?t=RBFMrAeDQl8uhQuof8A_lA&s=19

Reza (@Reza_shuaib)

New look at the Superman of Earth X in PEACEMAKER ahead of tonight's episode.

X · Oct 2, 2025, 5:36 PM

[ember plover]

You know thinking about it it’s possible that the Kents being who they are is an absolute point so they would raised Superman right

Well with Man of Steel being the exception

[visual shore]

Pissmaker mentioned

[jolly plover]

RUN ADEBAYO RUN

AYYYY JUDOMASTER

[ember plover]

Wont lie its really funny how they’re all Nazis but still have to get warrants to search houses

[jolly plover]

Welp Chris is going back to the slammer

Rip bozo

[ember plover]

Rip

The one version where his dad isn’t a Nazi and he gets merked

[jolly plover]

Damn they goin to Candyland next ep

It looks wild

[raw snow]

K I just started a bit ago and this is the best episode because of how many Nazis die

I wanna see Magneto end up on Earth X and go to town

[midnight charm]

I think it is funny tho that in the one universe he isn’t a Nazi everyone else is.

[heady jasper]

Sucks that likely the only good version of Auggie died, but he still benefited from the system

Could have joined the Sons of Liberty but didn't

The real difference is that he was a good dad and a lot less angry

Bro could sense the evil of the Earth One version lmao

I like that its pretty clear that all of Auggie's tech was stolen from the Nazi dimension

Earth X Auggie just never ventured far enough to find Earth One

[worldly zinc]

Woke dragon 🙏

https://fxtwitter.com/godsandmortaIs/status/1973998442247528821?t=V6_eDi5nOP7qeURQ7Hw-dg&s=19

wonder. (@godsandmortaIs)

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FxTwitter · Oct 3, 2025, 6:27 AM

Tbh I like that earth x auggie is still a pretty shitty father. He just wasn't a literal nazi

[heady pine]

Neoliberal ahh

Also this may be a crackpot theory but I feel like Gunn is going to bring back Captain Triumph in a sort of Superboy Prime role

"Your evil universe infected mine so now I'm gonna destroy it" type beat

[ember plover]

When he mentioned how he felt that his universe was dark it sounded like at first hee many cause Nazis weren’t in charge

[heady pine]

Can I also say

Holy shit John Cena has range

That whole moment where he has the like, mental breakdown bc he's watching his brother die in front of him again was extremely well done, the "STOP!!" broke my fuckin heart

Like Jesus Christ that whole situation just traumatized everyone involved for life lmao

[worldly zinc]

I do think its funny how auggie like "I don't agree with this world. But can't do anything to change it".
Then vigilante just a actual fucking revolutionary trying to change the world.

Like even if he wasnt a nazi himself. Auggie really fell into the liberal/centrist standard of just being content with the status quo and complicit in fascism

[visual shore]

https://tenor.com/view/white-dragon-vigilante-peacemaker-racist-there-are-gaps-in-the-suit-man-gif-24846854

[ember plover]

Actually realizing it now he didn’t go with Keith to help against the Sons of Liberty

[heady jasper]

Based on what little we saw of Earth X Chris, he probably was a true blue Nazi on top of being Peacemaker at his worse

Auggie is still a pretty shit dad for being willing to move on from his Chris's death so fast but its interesting that he wasn't pure evil like our Auggie was

I did think it was really funny when Harcourt was like "you killed innocent people" and then Auggie was like "those were NAZI COPS you idiot"

[worldly zinc]

I feel like auggie probably moved on from his chris death cause he saw it coming regardless.
Also does feel like there's a under tone there that he'd rather have earth 1 chris as his son. That Keith picked up on

[heady jasper]

Yeah

I think the vibe from Earth X Rick Flag is that he was just a loser

[ember plover]

I think it’d be funny if Flag Sr went to Earth X just to find his son is a Nazi idiot loser and just leaves him

[heady jasper]

As funny as it would be if Chris cheated on Harcourt with Rick, Iassume that Earth X Chris just did it with some random Nazi because he seems like that kinda guy

Chris: "I don’t think he was a Nazi!"
Vigilante: "He was worse, he was a neo-liberal"

[ember plover]

I don’t think Vigilante is a prime example of someone with good morals considering he murders people just for graffiti and enjoys it

[worldly zinc]

I mean i think he has good morals. Hes just too literal on what's right and wrong

[ember plover]

Don forget the part that he enjoys it

[worldly zinc]

I mean i think we should all enjoy killing nazi

[ember plover]

Was gonna say he also gets on to it but that’s Black Noir

[ember plover]

I was talking about killing peoples who graffiti

[worldly zinc]

Okay I don't think he enjoys that specifically. Its more like broader crime fighting.

Hes just you know, too literal on what crime is

[heady jasper]

I do think it was funny how the entire server was like "NOOO CHRIS MADE ADRIAN CRY 😢" and they were talking about the guy who enjoys killing male sex workers and people who graffiti

[worldly zinc]

Godforbid a man not be perfect

[heady pine]

Adrian is blorbo 🥺

[jolly plover]

It’d be funny if the Adrian’s swapped

[heady pine]

I was thinking about that

[ember plover]

They’re not

[heady jasper]

Do you think Earth X Adrian actually loves his parents

[ember plover]

Cause Adrian pulled his gun out when they were taking Chris in

And Earth X Adrian wouldn’t do that

[heady pine]

True

[heady jasper]

Did not care for the way Adrian's mom kept flinching at him

[heady pine]

Yeahhhhhh

Adrian needs to go to therapy bad

[heady jasper]

Also Prison

[heady pine]

Yeahhh that too

[heady jasper]

Rick Flag didn't get to see the Cocaine room because of how the episode went lmao

Chris not noticing the Giant Hitler mural was the funniest part of him not noticing he was on Earth X

[ember plover]

I thought he was gonna be like “I thought that was Charlie Chaplin”

[heady jasper]

Lmaoooo

I also love the implication that Mein Kampf is left around everywhere like its a Bible

Do you think its in Hotel Desks too?

[ember plover]

100%

But is it in the German copy or the English copy?

[heady jasper]

English I assume

But they could doing the movie thing of "everyone speaks English because the audience hates reading subtitles"

[hollow jacinth]

I wasn’t expecting them to resolve so much of the Earth X plotline in this episode

I can only imagine where the hell the next episode will go

[forest zenith]

Ironic. We suspected this earth was Nazis because his dad was alive, when he wasn’t even one

[ember plover]

No I suspected this earth was Nazis cause there were no poc in the background

[forest zenith]

It took you that long?

[ember plover]

Tf you mean that long

I knew it since the first episode they spent entirely in that earth

[worldly zinc]

I knew from the bludhaven pronunciation.
Only a nazi would butcher that

[ember plover]

Which was like Episode 3

[forest zenith]

As soon as we saw his dad was still alive, I was suspicious

[ember plover]

To literal hell

[forest zenith]

Hell looks fun

[heady jasper]

Rick Flag goes to the AI dimension

[ember plover]

That’s just that one scene from The Flash

[forest zenith]

The cameos one?

[ember plover]

No the one where Flash had gay sex with Batman

[forest zenith]

Bullshit, that movie couldn’t be that creative

[raw snow]

Hope they’re somehow able to destroy Earth Swastika in the finale

[ember plover]

Rip their Adrian

[frigid jay]

“The giant mural of Hitler”

The flags I could see missing. The minorities sure.. but god damn Chris you really are fucking blind

[midnight charm]

https://fixupx.com/grenussy/status/1973951003038036020

Ahmad 🇵🇸🇨🇩 (@grenussy)

Imagine getting a job at DC studios and your job is to paint this mural

Quoting The Green Kasey 🎃 (@RawbertBeef)
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I was giving Chris the benefit of the doubt but come on, man 😭

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[forest zenith]

“You want me to paint who?”

[frigid jay]

“There was something cruel about him, like he came from a world that was a dark version of ours” you know.. he’d probably agree with you

So if all the minorities are in camps and stuff… do the police like just actually do their jobs?

[ember plover]

Clearly not

Like in Episode 3 when they did shit

Including Emilia

[frigid jay]

Yeah just got to his dad saying the cops are corrupt as shit still

WAIT DAD IS BASED!?!?!!

[ember plover]

https://tenor.com/view/does-he-know-deadpool-deadpool3-ryan-reynolds-mcu-gif-11540745881539437840

[frigid jay]

oh.. vigilante not again

[hollow jacinth]

Chris is never recovering from this season

[frigid jay]

I hope earth X vigilante lived

I think it’s interesting that earth X Auggie made a clear statement he didn’t support the Nazi regime.. but we know Keith does given his… visceral reaction to seeing Ads

[keen stone]

God this show is being so messy with what it feels like it's trying to say

Like I won't disagree that our world isn't exactly far off from Nazi world, but it's like the epitome of the "the left calls everyone they don't like a nazi" argument and I don't really think it's accomplishing anything

I think the moments of Chris and the team reflecting on how awful and murderous they all are were good moments, it's just such an odd context to get there

Like even Auggie-X's death feels like a weird statement. Him being anti-nazi and saying he's doing his best only to get murdered feels like a joke about how he was the only good one and they killed him. Him saying that his other self felt weird and darker like he's from a worse world also seems to set him up like he's intrinsically a good person. Even his reaction to Chris killing Chris-X was a complete opposite of how main Auggie reacted to him killing Keith. But even here people are agreeing that him being complicit is still a sign of guilt. He's wealthy and seen as a hero, and he can't even raise his sons to not violently react when they see a racial minority? So are we supposed to reflect on how tragic it is that this was the only good version of him that got murdered too soon or is it supposed to condemn moderates? And how the hell is he a good person here? Why would he be different, how could he be different? Is it because the nazis were nicer to him than main earth would've been that he learned compassion? Cause what the hell is that trying to say?

[ember plover]

Bro I think you’re thinking way too hard

He’s just good here cause it’s the opposite of the normal universe

Like like he tried to raise Kieth and Chris to not be Nazis but they defied him anyways like how in the main universe Auggie tried to raise Chris to be a Nazi like him but Chris didn’t want to

[keen stone]

Well that's fucking boring

[forest zenith]

Your mom was so right

[keen stone]

James Gunn, who has been constantly making political commentary in his DC projects, apparently stopped here and it's dumb to think he's continuing to make political commentary by having characters talk about how the nazi earth isn't too different from our earth

[forest zenith]

Maybe it’s too big brain for you

[keen stone]

Then by all means what's your take on it

[forest zenith]

On this episode? Well Chris obviously realized he’s on a fascist run earth, and books it.
But he’s still tied to his lost family, who unlike his real ones, aren’t (quite) as bigoted as expected. Auggie mentions he saw his Nazi self before. He was a broken man, while this auggie has lived through a fascist world, and learned it’s bad. Doing what he can to help how he can. However as Chris has realized, he kills everyone he loves, indirectly. So after ruining his other family’s life, he saves his remaining found family and pushes himself away. Meanwhile Ads and Judo share a moment to acknowledge how not too far this universe is from theres. however they don’t really mention what actually makes this other earth worse but they do warn of the danger of it

[keen stone]

You know and I don't disagree with any of that that's the funny thing. That's why I didn't bring it up, cause all that stuff makes sense for me. It's the not showing us how the other earth is worse for everybody that I don't like. I think there's a reason people were theorizing that the Nazis didn't win WWII here and that America fell into fascism in the 90s instead, because if they did win there would be so much we'd lose in terms of culture. Unfortunately fascists don't care about racial minorities, and I don't expect them to care what this show has to say cause they're already brain dead, but if the show is going to make a commentary on it I would like a few scenes showing why this world isn't perfect for Chris beyond superficial reasons. His favorite music shouldn't exist, cause Nazis wouldn't tolerate music influenced by black people in this world. People would be extremely homophobic, and that should bother him since he's ya know, bisexual. Harcourt is a trad wife here, and that should bother both of them. We should at least get an episode where we see her being stressed out and feeling unfulfilled but hiding it out of fear. Chris should realize how unsatisfying it is to be with a "perfect" version of her. But they don't do that, and it's hard to care about his personal emotional struggle feeling like the source of everyone's misery for me because they gloss over so much of the premise they set up.

[heady jasper]

I think its a bit disingenuous to complain about stuff the show was never going to do but tear apart the clear actual text

[dull osprey]

NO VIGILANTE, DON'T DO IT

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[heady jasper]

Like, I dont disagree with a lot of your assessments of the second season but it feels like your expectations for it were way off

[dull osprey]

AHHHHHHHHHHHH

[heady jasper]

Like, this is what Auggie is supposed to be in this Universe

I get why that's "boring" to you but it makes him way more interesting and his death something you can actually sympathize with Chris about instead of emphasizing

[worldly zinc]

Tbh I feel like its bizarre to expect this season to explore why auggie isn't a nazi. When from what I remember s1 doesn't explore why he was a nazi.
Like its just the way hes ended up

[dull osprey]

I actually feel really bad for Chris.
He literally can't find happiness and purpose anywhere.

[forest zenith]

It’s sad because he has a point. Lot of blood on his hands

Not counting the people who deserved it

[dull osprey]

Yeah....
That's what makes it worse.

[dull osprey]

He suffers a variant from Fleaury's Bird Blindness.
Just that he's only blind to big Political Redflags.

[frigid jay]

I get that. I know it doesnt totally work with the shows set up around Chris being oblivious, but i think back to like wolfenstein where its like "the nazis won world war 2" and everything is in an awful totalitarian dystopia and its not subtle. other than everyone freaking out at Ads, everything else is just like "guys theres nazi flags everywhere" or "who/what is that" and its someone thats a minority that just doesnt exist and can be construded as "ok this place is just weird or different"

[ember plover]

Me seeing Vij about to jump Auggie in the window

https://tenor.com/view/interstellar-no-no-no-gif-15094791629266170630

[keen stone]

Because on our world there are lots of white trash people in the south that are racist klan members 😭

We don't live in alternate Nazi won history where the vast majority of people are literal bloodthirsty racists who will all abandon what they're doing at a moments notice to chase down a minority

[ember plover]

Me when I have to stop for gas in a random small town in the south

https://tenor.com/view/peacemaker-running-run-leave-quick-gif-25686144

[keen stone]

That's the text indicating to me that on this Earth everybody is a lot more racist, so it's odd that the guy who already grew up in a racist environment in the main reality and ended up a Nazi is less a Nazi

[keen stone]

You live in Florida and that doesn't happen

[heady jasper]

Yet

[ember plover]

I’ve been outside of Florida in the South dipshit

[frigid jay]

it doesnt happen in florida because they do it without the hoods

[keen stone]

Like there's such a large jump from people in our timeline passively tolerate racism because it doesn't affect them and everyone is extremely violent every day the moment they see minorities

And I'm not saying that can't happen here, I'm saying that the show is commenting on the lack of difference and I think it's a poor comparison

[worldly zinc]

Yeah but its also established by Keith that it's "what they do".
Its a learned act. Not something people do because they're racist

[keen stone]

So why didn't he learn it?

[ember plover]

Why didn’t Chris learn it from his dad in the main universe

[keen stone]

Like you can't say this is bizarro world where everyone is just the opposite and then say "no everything is a taught behavior"

[keen stone]

He did, that's why he's racist 😭

[ember plover]

No like in Earth One

[keen stone]

He only hesitates because he's also bi and he killed his brother and his dad constantly beats and berates him for it

[frigid jay]

well, didnt they kind of imply peacemaker came off as racist in the main universe? even if it was unintentional

[dull osprey]

I think Adrian is literally an outright diagnosed psychopath

[ember plover]

Oh right that one scene with the janitor

[keen stone]

I think the strongest part of the first season was showing that Chris may not be a full blown klan member, but he still has awful behaviors that he learned from his dad and is far too forgiving towards him because he grew up in such an abusive environment where he was taught to hate himself and think he's wrong.

[frigid jay]

like i remember some comment about peacemaker killing more black people than white, and its clear hes not trying to kill them because hes racist racist, but he grew up with that prejudice and it just kind of happened naturally

[dull osprey]

What

[ember plover]

Yea the janitor scene

[keen stone]

It's also why he didn't notice the lack of minorities in nazi earth, cause he didn't see it as an issue

[ember plover]

I just said that

[ember plover]

That’s cause he was too focused on his life being perfect he didn’t notice anything else like the giant fucking Hitler mural

[keen stone]

Now I think the hitler mural kinda undercuts that and makes it more that Chris is just a fucking idiot, and the show doubles down on that by having Ads say that he's an idiot

[ember plover]

Would’ve been funny if he genuinely thought they were all Charlie Chaplin loving Buddhists

[heady jasper]

It was in Season 1

Like, one of the first jokes

[keen stone]

Yeah I think that's dumb, I think it was neat that people watching the show were able to relate to him and realize "oh I also didn't notice the lack of non-white people, I wonder what that says about me and the way I was raised" only for the show then to say that Chris is just blind because even if you didn't notice the background you'd have noticed a giant Hitler mural if they showed it on screen

[frigid jay]

https://youtu.be/Cw5Lb5grr0E?si=xIFcvhC67b_pwQhP

[ember plover]

Or maybe Chris has Mural Blindness

[heady jasper]

THE POINT OF THE SEASON IS THAT CHRIS IS IN A DEPRESSIVE SPIRAL AND THE ONLY THING HE VALUES ABOUT EARTH X IS THAT HE HAS A LOVING FATHER AND BROTHER

[ember plover]

Like Bird Blindness

[heady jasper]

HE LITERALLY SAYS IT IN THE EPISODE

[ember plover]

But for Murals

[jolly plover]

I’m a simple man. Give me Nazis dying and it’s a 10/10

[keen stone]

I KNOW AND I DON'T MIND THAT PART BUT OTHER THINGS HAPPEN IN THE SHOW

[ember plover]

That’s why Indy 1 and 3 are peak

[jolly plover]

I enjoy parts of 5 too

[frigid jay]

and the great circle. peak fascist killing video game

[ember plover]

Me too but it’s not peak compared to 1 and 3

[jolly plover]

Definitely

[ember plover]

I need to play the new dlc

[heady jasper]

I like the implication of the episode is that Earth X's regime is a lot worse than we see

[keen stone]

To me it's far more disingenuous to ignore the plot threads and story points characters actively are talking about because if you think about those things the show feels contradictive and undercuts previous points and storyline than it is to actually think about that stuff and wonder why it was written that way

[frigid jay]

same. i started it, but was having really bad audio issues with it that i stopped before actually progressing until they fixed it

[ember plover]

You know I wonder

Is Earth X Luthor a good guy?

[heady jasper]

Like, Earth X is really goofy in its presentation but the fact that its so normal aside from things you slowly start to notice is more terrifying than this

*from what I've seen of it in the comics I mean

[ember plover]

Yea I’d what tf old ass Iron Man is supposed to do against Nazi Superman

[frigid jay]

i like the implication, but i wish we actually saw some of it. because i dont really see it coming back and id love to know more about their history, especially with how "clean and perfect" they try to make it appear on the surface

though i know it doesnt totally fit in with the direction of the main plot

[heady jasper]

I'm curious as to how the Season ends because it feels like it will go out with a wimper instead of a bang

[ember plover]

It’s supposed to tie into Man of Tomorrow

[heady jasper]

Like, I like the Rick Flag Sr. stuff but it doesn't hit as well as the Butterfly stuff

[ebon robin]

I don’t really have strong feelings or opinions towards this show but I did enjoy season 1 more, this season feels like a step down a bit

I do enjoy Chris’ main arc tho

[heady jasper]

Yeah. I click more with the character stuff in this season than I do with the rest of it (which is probably why I keep fighting with Circle about it lmao)

[heady jasper]

Yeah. I know I joked about him being Neoliberal in this Universe but I think it is pretty tragic that what is likely the only good Auggie in the Multiverse has to go along with the beliefs that he genuinely holds everywhere else

[ebon robin]

I dunno, I can see where Circle is coming from but I never expected this show to delve deeper into the Whitey world stuff in the first place

[frigid jay]

off topic, but i thought it was cool to see the detective guy from season 1 appear again on earth X, which makes me curious about how the butterfly stuff went on their earth

[ebon robin]

We should shoot James Gunn for being a centrist

[keen stone]

I think it misses the point. If the Nazis won everything would've gone to shit because fascists never stop hunting people down. Fascism only works if there's another enemy to hunt. That's why in the normal Earth-X portrayals it's all death and destruction, because the war would never stop. If you wanna show a slight variation in our reality, just show an Earth where segregation is still legal. That would make far more sense and would still cover the same points. Rock music would still exist because the music industry would continue as it did in the 50s and profit off of black music by white artists. Ads could just have a cop pull her over and arrest her and it feel a lot more like a commentary on something that actually happens in our timeline and people wouldn't be able to make a funny reaction gif out of a lynch mob chasing a black woman. There wouldn't be some obvious Hitler mural, or copies of mein kampf, and you can still keep homophobic conversations and commentary on women being more trad wifey, and it would all feel like an actual warning about how America is barely removed from its racist past especially at a time when a huge portion of the population wants things to "go back to when America was great"

[heady jasper]

Honestly, I agree

[keen stone]

I'm not saying no one should like this show for the parts that work

[ember plover]

Centrist James Gunn taking over Woke James Gunn’s body when an interview is coming up

[keen stone]

I'm just saying I don't like the season because of the parts that don't work for me so maybe people can stop calling me stupid and disingenuous

[heady jasper]

I wonder if Gunn wanted to do that but WB immediately vetoed there being a David Duke mural in Argus

[ember plover]

https://tenor.com/view/venom-transformation-eddie-brock-venom-venom-the-last-dance-turning-into-venom-gif-14923886893026634017

[keen stone]

See even that would be an interesting thing, just put up a bunch of confederate monuments everywhere because that does exist in real life and so of course chris wouldn't notice that and then boom "this earth isn't that far off from ours"

[heady jasper]

Probably would have hit waaay too close to home for them if Peacemaker actually was about real American racism isntead of just historic bigotry

It does feel like a step down from Season 1 in that regard

[keen stone]

That's all I'm saying

It doesn't hit as hard because it feels like they're being too broad

[heady jasper]

oh no the journalists have arrived

[keen stone]

Whenever Nazis are in anything there's such little room for nuance because most people are either "a good Nazi is a dead Nazi" or "ugh this woke propaganda is trying to make everyone look like a Nazi they don't like" or actual literal Nazis who are gonna look at this Earth being so perfect and go "see guys? Life would be better without the minorities and terrorists!"

[heady jasper]

One criticism I haven't voiced about this Season (mainly because I don't know if its my thing to say tbh) is that I think it sucks that this is another show with a rocky Lesbian relationship.

[keen stone]

I have to go to a concert thing but I will also say I can find stories about traumatized people blaming themselves for people getting hurt around them in tons of media. Hell, that's like half of Batman's stories. But I like Peacemaker because his main premise is he was raised by a racist supervillain but he still thinks he's a hero and wants to be a better person. So when he focus less on that that's why I get bored, cause it's not nearly as unique.

[heady jasper]

Like, part of the double edged sword of Adabeyo and Keeyo being casual representation is that Gunn and his writers can give them arcs that would normally be for a heterosexual couple. But I think it sucks that like Andor, the only prominent LGBTQ representation is a couple that should really break things off.

[frigid jay]

is punk rock on earth X about being pro fascism?

[heady jasper]

I like the implication that the Mighty Crabjoys are a universal constant that exist in every universe, with not even Earth X being an exception.

[frigid jay]

in the crab dimension are they the mighty human joys?

[jolly plover]

I just realized that THE NEXT DC PROJECT IS LANTERNS LETS GOOOO

[heady jasper]

What all do we know about it?

[worldly zinc]

That its a buddy cop with hal and john. And ayham favourite writer involved

[frigid jay]

i see where you're coming from, and do agree peacemaker has a more interesting story being him overcoming his racist upbringing. and while its not really a point made in the show, its definitely a big development on his end that hes best friends with a black woman. but this season isnt really focused around that and just his depression with how things are going for him now. but when you reintroduce the people from his racist past. the only real part from that that goes back to that season 1 arc is just him immediately leaving the moment he learns the that its the nazi world and that Ads could be in trouble. If it was like Suicide Squad Peacemaker and the whole team from there, he probably wouldn't care if bloodsport was in danger (even though bloodsport would kill everyone)

[frigid jay]

also Sinestro and Guy are in it. and i think another lantern related character might have gotten leaked but i dont remember

[heady jasper]

My body isn't ready for comic accurate Guy Gardener, please save me

[frigid jay]

that also reminds me, didnt the actress for hawkgirl say she had more to do in peacemaker compared to superman? cause nothing has happened yet beyond the interview ass joke

[heady jasper]

We still have the finale

[jolly plover]

It’s gonna involve more of the history of the DCU and might lead to ||The Centre||

||Alan Scott is rumored||

[heady jasper]

Byss from Dark Empire???

I liked that Guy was a dumbass but still had his heart in the right place

If they made him more like those panels people love posting randomly I don't know how I'd feel about that

[jolly plover]

My theory is that Hal was already possessed by Parallax

And he’s dealing with the trauma from that

I think they’re gonna build toward ||The Centre|| or ||Blackest Night||

[worldly zinc]

Tbh im still generally hoping the show has like, anthology seasons where each season is based on a different duo from a lantern corp

[heady jasper]

Would like that more tbh

||Blackest Night|| seems like a HUGE jump for the DCU at this point

[jolly plover]

Larfleeze and Atrocitus season PLEASE

DC hire Steve Zahn to play Larfleeze and legit my life is yours

[worldly zinc]

I do also feel like they could realistically get away with adapting far sector 1/1.

[jolly plover]

Probably. The Centre I think is a good build up villain and starting here will be cool

[forest zenith]

What a depressing thread now

[frigid jay]

They’d have to commit to giving us more seasons of a show instead of just making everything a one off series

[visual shore]

https://tenor.com/view/gay-boy-cries-over-boyfriend-vigilante-peacemaker-gif-15917457363414856434

[dull osprey]

Wait... Is the memeber in the Center Black?

[frigid jay]

No it’s just the lighting

[dull osprey]

Oh, i see...

Is still weird that Punk Rock exist in a National Socialist world

[jolly plover]

Someone has to stand up to that Nazi bullshit

[keen stone]

And god knows they're going to get big billboards to promote themselves

[ember plover]

Earth X Lois and Superman:
“You think everything and everyone Ayrian is beautiful”
“Maybe that’s the real punk rock”

[keen stone]

It's Aryan but you know they don't deserve the right spelling either way

[ember plover]

I know

[forest zenith]

Everyone is fighting some machine

[worldly zinc]

https://fxtwitter.com/repzmore/status/1974188827993571798?t=gRu8j1T5yQWf0yUoBr3_sA&s=19

elly. (@repzmore)

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FxTwitter · Oct 3, 2025, 7:04 PM

[worldly zinc]

https://fxtwitter.com/KallixVT/status/1974381423609196824

Kaden (@KallixVT)

Idk why this was the first thing I thought of

Quoting Green Screen Videos by Murdoink (@MurdoinkGS)
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Mural from Peacemaker s02e07 green screen

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FxTwitter · Oct 4, 2025, 7:49 AM

[hollow jacinth]

I have no idea why John Cena pulls off that overdesigned Peacemaker suit so well but he sure does

[forest zenith]

I think because he doesn’t look human. He feels like an action figure

[frigid jay]

It’s not even that over designed.. like in comparison to the main one I guess, but there’s been a lot worse in the over designed department

[keen stone]

Yeah at least this one is more solid colors and less random lines

[hollow jacinth]

It reminds me alot of Star Lord’s attire in GOTG 3

[keen stone]

Yeah but not nearly as baggy with the faux leather

[heady jasper]

https://fixupx.com/dcuharIey/status/1974614808722071664

oli 🍉 (@dcuharIey)

i think it’s funny that the so called ‘dc deadpool rip-offs’ are so superior to deadpool lol

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FixupX · Oct 4, 2025, 11:17 PM

[keen stone]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-thats-bait-tom-hardy-mad-max-gif-5055384

[heady jasper]

i think you're right because i went further into the thread and found this

Bro probably got offended that Reynolds Deadpool gets pegged

[keen stone]

It's twitter, every take on there is someone being hyper obsessed with one thing and using it as an excuse to shit talk anything even vaguely related to it

their username is dcuharIey I think they just wanted another way to stan one character by putting down another cause that's how they all express any opinions

[heady jasper]

they just like me fr

[ebon robin]

Going to Twitter for media takes is like going to a megachurch for genuine theological exchanges

[heady jasper]

Something I do think I've realized after watching Gunn's DC projects is that I'm not really a fan of Reynold's Deadpool

Mainly the idea of them both being crass Superheroes

[keen stone]

Eh, lots of characters are similar on the surface like that

[heady jasper]

Deadpool pretty much devolved into childish jokes after the first film while Peacemaker has really showcased Cena's acting abilities and Gunn's writing

Most of the humor from Peacemaker comes from him being dumb while most of Deadpool's humor is just stuff for teenagers and adults with the brains of teenagers

[keen stone]

Like I'll agree D&W was ass and generally the movies never get crazy deep or well thought out, but I've been frustrated by how lazy and repetitive the humor has been in Gunn projects too

[heady jasper]

Absolutely fair

[keen stone]

Creature Commandos was the worst for me, it's just constant random hyper sexual jokes and visual gags that sometimes aren't even really meant to be funny it's just a half naked woman on screen for no good reason.

[ebon robin]

Gunn humour peaked at the intro of Peacemaker season 1

[heady jasper]

I still haven't seen Creature Commandos but from what I've heard its the worst Gunn project so I might have to

[ebon robin]

CC is ass

[heady jasper]

I've enjoyed his stuff (even the Guardians Christmas special to a extent) so I'd watch it to have a more balanced opinion of his work

[ebon robin]

I generally think CC is the only absolute ass thing he did

Rest is mid to excellent

[keen stone]

I'll be honest, half the reason I hold really firm on my takes on things is cause there's always some turn around. No one was shitting on D&W when it came out, no one was shitting on CC when we were watching it, but I knew they had problems and here we are months later and NOW everyone speaks up.

[heady jasper]

I also haven't seen the Dwight Superhero movie either

[heady jasper]

Ngl most of my happy memories from that at this point is watching it with friends in theaters

[keen stone]

(this is only half serious though I just think it's funny how often it takes like a year for my takes to finally come around)

[heady jasper]

Much easier for me to see the flaws in that film now

[heady jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/oppenheimer-cillian-murphy-barbenheimer-barbie-oppenheimer-movie-gif-14455380668331281856

Circle walking out of Deadpool and Wolverine

[keen stone]

Oh I didn't watch it in theaters

I pirated that shit

[ebon robin]

I watched D&W later after everyone was glazing it on this server and thought it was ass

[heady jasper]

No Way Home is still the only time where D&W's style of fanservice filmmaking has worked for me

I only really liked it in D&W because they didn't just murder everyone because Reynolds is a hack fraud

[ebon robin]

It’s because NWH feels like the culmination of all the major Spiderman trilogies

[keen stone]

I've also come to realize I really don't like going out to movies with friends because half the time we don't have time to talk about it afterwards. I'd rather just watch it solo and hang out some other time to talk about it. In general I just like going to things with people where we can actually like engage with each other.

[ebon robin]

It has a sense of weight

[keen stone]

I think I hate that one more purely because they squandered so much of Holland Spidey so quickly

I prefer with these longer franchise stories for characters to have consistent growth with occasional setbacks that all have a larger theme or point to them, but Holland Spidey movies are just a bunch of random bullshit being thrown at him because every adult around him is stupid and he has to face the consequences of it.

[heady jasper]

I also think part of this is from the MCU's Brand synergy really hurts Holland's Spiderman

I don't mind Tony basically being a stand-in for the Fantastic Four in those movies, but the fact that so much of Tom's Spider-man is tied to problems that Tony causes does rob him of a lot of his own identity as the third Spider-Man

I don't think it ruins him but it does cut off a lot of his potential off at the knees

[keen stone]

Even beyond Tony, it's Fury, Talos, and Strange also just kinda making dumb decisions that screw him over.

[midnight charm]

https://fixupx.com/PublicEnemiesHQ/status/1974902433525457069

Public Enemies Podcast (@PublicEnemiesHQ)

Peacemaker did the intro for FOX NFL Kickoff today.
︀︀
︀︀John Cena was born to play this role 😭😂

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FixupX · Oct 5, 2025, 6:20 PM

[dull osprey]

Huh

Why would then the Goverment allow that "subersive" media?
Like, they want their own downfall or what.

Some "The CIA made the hippie movement" type bullshit.

[jolly plover]

https://tenor.com/view/money-mr-krabs-gif-18326632

I mean all it does is fuel the industry more and that money is taxed

[midnight charm]

https://x.com/CBM_Cringe/status/1974954387471773767

CBMCringe (@CBM_Cringe)

X · Oct 5, 2025, 9:46 PM

I know it’s not Racist Auggie but seeing that picture next to “Innocent Person” is kinda funny

[hollow jacinth]

This picture literally makes zero sense

Foggy was just existing

Joel did some bad shit

There is no “innocent character” in him

[midnight charm]

Foggy is legit the only real truly good person in this image

[jolly plover]

Rexplode was a piece of shit

[midnight charm]

Rex cheated on Eve and was generally an Asshole for the longest time, Joel doomed humanity because of his Daughter Issues and killed innocent survivors, Earth X Auggie may not be a racist but I’d argue he’s still complacent in the Nazis coming to power.

[forest zenith]

Rex was progressing excellently at the time

[forest zenith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/775522284139053096/1424801139500515348/Screenshot_20251006-115051.png?ex=68e544f7&is=68e3f377&hm=ff087f745391e2a27c3a227fd98b8e0b9745fc96dc362bc60f05f084b608e9dc&

[visual shore]

https://tenor.com/view/peacemaker-john-cena-butt-season-one-s1-gif-3877833093915650181

[ember plover]

It’s time for the final Thursday Peacemaker

[frigid jay]

I thought big belly was like mcdonalds

[frigid jay]

Vigilante playing princess peach showtime XD

[worldly zinc]

I figured theyd use ads to introduce checkmate

It does kinda suck that this season clearly exists just to set everything up for a 3rd season. Rather than to tell its own specific story

Like, I do like chris arc and everything for ads and Harcourt coming together for checkmate.
But its also like, not a lot really happened in between that looking back.

[frigid jay]

Fuck Rick flag Sr

[worldly zinc]

(I go genuinely like the season and a lot of what it did though)

[frigid jay]

Excited about checkmate

[frigid jay]

Has a season 3 been announced? I thought Gunn said awhile ago there weren’t any concrete plans for one

[worldly zinc]

Idk

It just seems heavily that the season exists for a different season. And idk how they can tie the ending specifically into man of tomorrow unless the prison universe is gonna be tied to brainiac

[frigid jay]

Surprised there really wasn’t any cameos. Not that it really needed it, just interesting

[frigid jay]

Yeah. The salvation stuff does sound really interesting, but hard to predict quite where it will go

[worldly zinc]

Unless the prison universe isnt actually a different universe and its deadass just barenton

Though if it was they probably would have mentioned the green sun

[frigid jay]

Not sure how they would do it, but if they really wanna deep cut it, they could make it earth in the far far future and introduce Kamandi

[worldly zinc]

I feel like that would be too much of a deep pull even for gunn

[ember plover]

That’s it? That’s the 1 hour season finale

[worldly zinc]

If we arent getting a season 3 though, and assuming this specific bit isn't picked up in man of tomorrow. The only other option for this being continued is if the waller show will pick it up (functionally acting as a checkmate show)

[ember plover]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patchy-the-pirate-thats-it-disappointed-gif-27280238

[worldly zinc]

Tbh I don't mind this as a finale. But it feels like theres a episode missing

At least we know sasha gonna be in brave and the bold now though

[frigid jay]

It definitely needs more episodes.. I think the larger problem is that it set itself up for another season and we have no idea if or when that might happen. At least when S1 ended, it wasn’t such a big cliffhanger

[ember plover]

Especially if we’re gonna have to wait 3 years again

[visual shore]

Mehmaker

[frigid jay]

I think Langston ha also confirmed for Man of tomorrow so we are at least seeing Checkmate again

[worldly zinc]

S1 was also just a self contained story. This was handful of good arcs with by the end no real story outside of set up.
Like again, still enjoyed the season. But it just feels theres so much missing by the end

[frigid jay]

Yeah

[worldly zinc]

At least the season wasnt like heavy set up.

But this last episode did kinda detrial anything the show was seemingly building up towards to set up several different things

[ember plover]

Also I feel like this barely sets up Man of Tomorrow besides Lex being in bed with the government

[frigid jay]

Unless salvation is supposed to be an important part of that story

[ember plover]

I guess

But then it’ll be weird if that plot point gets solved in the movie

[worldly zinc]

I guess its more of like a contextual set up rather than a literal set up.
Like its making sure these things exist to be used in man of tomorrow.
But its not literally a set up for the movie

[frigid jay]

I get the feeling man of tomorrow will largely be a Lex Luther movie, and it’s him slowly building himself back up, then big brainiac threat happens and he teams up with Superman to stop it, then it ends with them fighting it out and possibly sending Superman to salvation

[ember plover]

So S3 just ends up being Peacemaker and Superman trapped in a planet together

[frigid jay]

I think that’s kind of how they want to set things up. Have the universe building itself and things come and go but nothing is like a direct sequel to something unrelated to it

Actually, 0/10 shit finale there was no booster gold or blue beetle tease even if there wasn’t really any reason for it. Fuck you Gunn

[worldly zinc]

Booster gold should be in everything for no reason

[keen stone]

Whelp, I saw the writing on the wall. Lame season, underwhelming ending, needed more time in the writing room to actually build up character.

[frigid jay]

Booster gold being in everything for no reason is peak booster gold

[keen stone]

Langstrom just sorta being part of the team at the end despite having little to no character outside of like the same two lame jokes over and over only to last second go through a change of heart montage I feel like sums up this season pretty well.

[frigid jay]

The actual character arcs and stuff I thought were really well done, but I think it tried a bit too much to do a bunch of other stuff that it started to take away from those character arcs. Especially with the shorter episodes. If they gave it a few more episodes, it might have helped not feel so cramped between the earth X stuff and the entire finale

[worldly zinc]

Being completely honest. I dont entirely blame this for being undercooked. Gunn was clearly putting more effort into superman and this kinda became a afterthought.
But also he should have known to delay its production and not split himself between writing several different projects

[keen stone]

That's my issue, we're this early in and both this and Creature Commandos felt half baked and repetitive. If he can't balance writing and supervising several projects he needs to outsource it, delay it, or just focus on something other than his little corner of DC.

[worldly zinc]

I think the show legit just needed one more episode to round off the earth x stuff before going into the finale.
The fact it very blatantly sets Keith to return. Then just doesn't is kinda wild.

[frigid jay]

Tim Meadows talks about it some in the after show clips at the end, where he slowly is watching all his friends just die for no reason and that pushes him away from Rick.. but while you can kind of see that, it still feels random that he’s there. At least with Judomaster they had the moments on earth X and he and Ads had some time to chat and become friendly

[visual shore]

Lex is gonna use Salvation as a better version of his pocket dimension

[keen stone]

Ads especially frustrated me cause she had exactly one conversation with Judomaster and all of the sudden she perfectly knows how to break off her relationship. Like there's a whole season of repeating the same thing over and over, one scene where something different happens, then by the finale it's all been handled.

[frigid jay]

This isn’t really limited to peacemaker and creature commandos, but I wish we’d have more episodic shows with longer seasons rather than a longer movie split across 8 episodes

[keen stone]

Also Flag Sr. is so boring as a villain. Like I don't understand what his deal is, I get he hates Peacemaker but beyond that what the hell is his new love of Team Luthor? Like again, the entire season we see him say the same thing over and over, argue with the ARGUS people about finding Peacemaker time and time again, then he finally talks to Lex, and in the final episode we get a montage showing that he's completely abandoned everyone at ARGUS for his new buddies that I guess he does coke with or whatever.

[frigid jay]

I think Rick flag is an alright villain, but I don’t like the way he’s being made bigger than like he actually is. I have a hard time picturing him as anything other than military soldier dude.. I kind of also wish he was just Waller..

[keen stone]

Sasha spends the entire season doing nothing, finally we learn she's a cyborg and there's a hint that she's flirting with Rick (which the fact that his method of flirting was the same way he talked to Harcourt for real after his son died? Creepy shit that never really gets addressed), then by the end she's apparently been sleeping with him for a while and then she breaks up with him and leaves ARGUS

And NONE of this has to do with the Nazi earth that isn't even in this god damn finale, not even for a teaser.

[frigid jay]

I really thought they would open the door to Nazi world, but I guess Harcourt, Judomaster, and Economos would try to avoid it

[keen stone]

Even poor Adrian, several episodes of the same animal fact joke, last second we see him cry for a bit and learn he has piles of money in his basement, then they use it to start a new organization. One of the best characters in the show, and they had next to nothing for him.

[worldly zinc]

I meam tbf. Earth x was always a specific thing for chris. I don't think there should have been any active expectations for it to be relevant to argus. Outside of chris going there tipping them off.

[frigid jay]

I’m glad that next year we’re gonna start getting some non Gunn DC projects

[worldly zinc]

I think if it was fully thought out. Chris coming to terms with himself would have been him talking down Keith after he crossover to earth one to try and kill him

Like I do like all off the 11th street kids coming to him.
But it feels like it would have been more thematic and fit in with earth x existing if itwas capped off with that

The funniest outcome though would be if the prison is actually just barenton and supergirl has to deal with peacemaker. And just leaves him

[waxen comet]

Being Booster Gold is reason enough

[visual shore]

https://tenor.com/view/red-st-wild-peacemaker-grey-talon-dancing-michael-rooker-gif-12411997181644547232

[frigid jay]

I forgot about this.. part

[visual shore]

He was low-key useless thank you Elmur Fudd

[frigid jay]

Don’t really know what the purpose of that story was

[visual shore]

That Eagly was the Prime Eagle

https://tenor.com/view/bald-eagle-peacemaker-eagly-prime-eagle-dcu-gif-8660573916748554241

[worldly zinc]

I think it was just a bit.

[frigid jay]

Yeah but.. they never went back to that. Like cool? It explains a lot about eagly I guess, but it never came back around. And sure it was a fun little thing, and Rooker is always hilarious.. but for a season that feels really crammed.. you could take it out and nothing really changes and then devote more time to letting the other stuff breathe a bit more

[worldly zinc]

Tbh I feel like the season wasnt even crammed. It just looking back didnt use its time affectively for most of the plot points

[frigid jay]

Yeah, that’s probably a better way to word it

[worldly zinc]

But generally I think the eagly stuff exists for 3 main reasons:

1. Gunn thought it was funny.
2. There wouldn't be alot of eagly in the season otherwise.
3. He wanted to have the eagly fight early on. But kinda understood argus would probably have to do something to fuck with eagly if he included it

[frigid jay]

That’s fair, I forgot about eagly attacking everyone

[worldly zinc]

Oh im stupid salvation a actual comic run

Checkmate was involved

[frigid jay]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/440265291654758420/1426036917169815653/image0.jpg?ex=68e9c3df&is=68e8725f&hm=8523c5def6a48fab65f66486c44ca2b07b6e204ab8b4fb10ec20d26e85a5ca37&

I might try and get it to read later

[worldly zinc]

The planet a apokolips training ground 💀

[keen stone]

This is why I'm always worried about how they're adapting these things. Gunn is a talented enough writer and works with talented enough people that he can make somewhat entertaining stories despite everything, but so much feels like he's pushing the characters and runs he likes, hiring his friends to play most of the cast, and not letting things breath enough.

[worldly zinc]

Tbh gunn hiring his friends legitimately doesn't bother me. Especially with like peacemaker s1 I didn't even know Jennifer Holland was was his wife.
Nathan fillion works well as guy.
And rooker here specifically was a recast, because the original actor dropped out and he needed somebody hed know who'd say yes

And i don't mind Sean that distracting. Just need to see more of his maxwell lord really

[frigid jay]

A lot of directors hire their friends and actors they work well with. And it’s not like they are getting like the biggest roles. Sure they are playing leads, but it would be different if he cast Jennifer holland to play like wonder woman

[keen stone]

Like I said, they're all talented enough that it's not like he's hiring a bunch of hacks. But it's a shared universe that's supposed to be centuries of characters from all walks of life, and so far several of the ones we've been introduced to randomly have the same faces and voices as other unrelated characters

And even when they aren't multiple characters being played by the same person, I'm just kinda over seeing Peacemaker in every single project. Yes John Cena is entertaining, but it just makes this universe feel small.

[frigid jay]

Eh, I feel like that really only applies to Sean Gunn. I know Rooker has also been used more, but the Superman robots are kind of just fun cameos and he voiced a Nazi in Creature Commandos. I guess also suicide squad but depends on where you decide to put that on the canon board

[worldly zinc]

I don't really think there's enough to say the universe feels big or small though. When theres 3 things specifically made for this universe and two things that carried over. One of switch is blue beetle. That's so far disconnected from anything it doesn't matter

[keen stone]

And Alan Tudyk being like five different people

[frigid jay]

I think the larger issue is that everything we’ve gotten has been a James Gunn project. Which is more a thing about timing

[frigid jay]

Honestly forgot about him.. I feel really stupid now

[worldly zinc]

Actually no, 2 things.
Creature commandos was made for the dceu then redone slightly for the dcu

[frigid jay]

Next year I feel like will be the make or break of it all as we get the next two big projects that aren’t related to Gunns stuff, in between some big marvel projects, and its projects for characters that don’t have a lot going for them audience wise (not that people aren’t excited, just that there isn’t a big history for them)

[worldly zinc]

I'm gonna be completely real. I feel like Alan tudyk burn out is just a skill issue. Cause I need to actively be told he played a character to know he was in something.
(And I also broadly don't care about people constantly being cast. I grew up on anime and le video games. I'm used to the same like 10 people being cast in everything over and over again)

[keen stone]

I am sure that in like five years it won't feel like as much of an issue, and you can pick and choose what you personally count as this universe however much you want, all I know is Steve Agee's John Economos has been in three seasons of TV and two movies so far. Some of those are definitely canon, some are a grey area, one is explicitly not canon anymore, but that doesn't mean I'm not a little tired of him.

And it's not even a "oh I don't like seeing these people" it's more that (as I've said before when discussing DC) like just three years ago there was just so much variety on what I could watch with so many different projects and universes. And now there's one that keeps doing the same characters over and over and I don't have any other options.

[frigid jay]

I don’t entirely disagree. While I love the cast and stuff, it sucks that all we have of DC media besides Superman lately has been suicide squad adjacent projects and the DCU can be so much more. Again, a lot of it is kind of just the poor timing of it all as CC and Peacemaker S2 were in the works before the reboot, so we got them before everything else so it’s just become a long waiting game for any bit of ‘superhero’ stuff

[keen stone]

I wasn't upset before when David Dastmalchian was in The Dark Knight, Gotham, The Flash, and Suicide Squad all as different characters cause none of those projects were connected and they were all spaced out and there were plenty of projects he wasn't in. I like him as an actor, I was happy seeing him show up.

[frigid jay]

Also, all of those appearances are spread out over the course of a decade

[keen stone]

Like I get what you guys are saying, I know a lot of this was because of the slapdash nature of this reboot, I'm just saying I think Gunn could've axed Creature Commandos and nothing really would've been lost.

[keen stone]

I know, that's what I'm saying. I brought it up cause Fox was comparing it to anime actors reprising their roles and I'm saying I'm not mad about actors popping up in general, I'm just kinda tired seeing such a specific circle of actors back to back to back.

[worldly zinc]

I mean if we go off anything. It seems it already had a decent amount of production done by the time the reboot fully happened. I think it would have been shitty to everybody involved to just throw it out.

[keen stone]

Idk when they announced it the character designs were completely different

Maybe some of it was done, but I don't think they had even started animating if they didn't even know what the show was going to look like.

And if we're gonna carry things over and let them finish projects because it's not fair to just axe shit randomly, they should've released Batgirl as the first Elseworlds movie.

[worldly zinc]

I was more so leaning on the notion of video games. Considering the fact I've been playing rpgs for a decades and will hear like matt mercer as every other npc

Or recently like aleks le playing several characters in the same game

[keen stone]

Yeah but regardless there's a large gap between the voice acting industry where Phil Lamarr is in thousands of unrelated projects and voices tons of characters on one show and specifically hiring people who aren't explictly just voice actors to be in live action and animated projects just because you'd rather pay them than hire some rando last second.

Like if your bird hunter dropped out last second you really couldn't find any other old guy? Rooker was the only man in hollywood? I get that it's easier to find a friend than not, it's just it was such a useless character. It's not like you needed it to be a specific personality that only he could've pulled off last second, the dude showed up, did some pointless bullshit, and then died.

[frigid jay]

I think the issue was more that Gunn would’ve needed to go through the whole casting process to find someone else, or he can get Rooker who he knows will be available and can trust will do the role how he wanted

[worldly zinc]

I mean generally you'd still need to do the regular casting process. This isn't like freddie in season one where they had the benefit of a lot of vigilante scenes being in costume and having the time to recast.
Rooker here is very much just: we need this quickly, we need availability and somebody we know will be fine. Jumping to a friend i think is completely reasonable here

[keen stone]

Yeah then go through the casting process. Delay the show, maybe the whole thing should've been delayed from the start since so little happened.

[frigid jay]

But they had a similar situation in season 1 for vigilante and that turned out great

[keen stone]

More than anything else the fact that they set up a whole Luthor jumping off point that'll likely come up in Man of Tomorrow makes this season feel like a half baked way to get some exposition dumped and some other storylines set up for Gunn to explore later.

[frigid jay]

Yeah

[keen stone]

Check it off the list, the multiverse has been set up so we don't have to explain why the government knows about it later.

And that's the other thing, I doubt this will be like 1000% required viewing, but the fact that it's not just a standalone project (or at least solely a spin off of The Suicide Squad) also adds to my general fatigue with this reboot.

Three projects in and we're apparently deeply invested in the goings on of Rick Flag Sr. despite him being so so so generic

[worldly zinc]

I'll say again that I really don't mind anything gunn doing.
But I will say that after this i hope he focuses either on one project at a time or broader management. Its clear he can't multitask projects and needs to pick one. And I think the dcu will be better off if he fully slips into the Kevin feige role and sometimes comes back to do his own movie

Like i think its fine to completely end the suicide squad left overs here. And continue on with checkmate

And also since it was mentioned. I think its more than apparent from both interviews before the show and the show itself. That sasha bordeaux was mostly only here to help establish checkmate, as she's one of the only consistent characters on the team. And so she can be bruce bodyguard in brave and the bold.

[keen stone]

"well you see if you watch interviews where they describe what the show doesn't, then obviously this character has a purpose"

I'll keep it a buck with you, I don't care if down the line she's one of the best characters in the franchise, she wasn't very well written here and there was no reason to care much about her until they decided she was important last second.

[worldly zinc]

The interviews im talking about is when they were pressed on if sasha would appear in batman after peacemaker and everybody being non committal

Like im not even excusing anything the show did with her. I'm just saying I think she was include to establish her and her team for batman.

[keen stone]

I think in general that shouldn't be the philosophy behind any of their creative decisions. The thing about The Suicide Squad is you could in theory have made a spin off series for every member of the main cast cause they were all equally well written and charismatic. They didn't think "well we should put Peacemaker in this so people know who he is when we make a show about him, but don't have him do anything, just make sure he's there"

It's the same with the Justice Gang in Superman. Like at least in that they were all well written and contributed to the plot, I can't really be too mad at their inclusion cause they were essential to the story. But I'm also upset that the Daily Planet crew didn't have much of anything to do. It's nice that Jimmy was relevant for once, but we got like fifteen seconds of him and Clark together and nothing else. I understand that's not what the movie was aiming to do, but it's the consequence of a creative being in charge who has favorites and prioritizes them above the well established main characters of this universe who frankly have barely gotten enough presence even before this reboot.

[heady jasper]

Almost finished with the episode

but I have thoughts

[heady pine]

I liked all the emotional beats, the plot stuff was really underbaked

The whole montage with them setting up Checkmate the whole time I was thinking "okay so when is Rick Flag Sr. going to find out and do some shit"

[keen stone]

there is something really funny about argus just being okay with this

like obviously flag still nabbed chris at the end

[heady pine]

I'm not even sure that's why tho is the thing

[keen stone]

but after ads nearly ruined the organization last time with help from the rest of the group, idk why he wouldn't just lock them all up just to be safe

[heady jasper]

I'm gonna say it, Ads kinda pissed me off

[heady pine]

Tough love, you kinda need to do that with white supremacists lol

[heady jasper]

Honestly, breaking it off with her wife was probably the right call but it kinda pissed me off that her solution to treating her badly was "sorry, instead of trying to be better I want a divorce"

[keen stone]

It's hard to feel like it was the best choice when tbh I don't even know why she wants to be in security

[heady jasper]

I think its literally just her trying to do spy stuff because she realized it was her calling in Season 1

But I didn't rewatch it before watching this one

[heady pine]

I mean that's kinda just how it happens sometimes when your goals are so misaligned

[heady jasper]

Like, I feel bad for Keeya because she got fucked over

[keen stone]

maybe if I rewatched last season I'd remember more context but I don't think she's doing anything special this season

[heady pine]

Keeya is also from Gotham so she's probably trying to have the most peaceful life possible at this point

[heady jasper]

Sis moved from Gotham to open a pet store with her wife but she bailed on her to open a rinky dink business that only succeeded because Vigilante is stupid

[keen stone]

I don't even think they needed to stay together, I think having a healthy break up is fine, it just is hard to care when keeya is barely in the season and ads doesn't do much to make me wanna root for her

[heady pine]

Yeahhh

[heady jasper]

The relationship stuff in this season is bad all around honestly

[heady pine]

I will say

[keen stone]

And I still hate that she had that bullshit "oh I'm sure chris thinking the nazi earth was perfect doesn't mean he's a bad guy or racist in any way, like yeah his brain just accepted the hitler mural without question, and yeah his dad was a supremacist supervillain, and yeah before now he was only known by most as the racist superhero, but he's a good guy because his magic god eagle is cool!"

[heady jasper]

Like, at least Cinta realized she was a bad partner and wanted to become better, she wasn't like "Hey Vel I want a divorce"

[heady pine]

I hope Adebayo becomes like, a Harley Quinn case where she becomes a side character that the comics use so she can be developed more

[heady jasper]

Rick Flag feels really flat

It feels like Gunn just didn't want to use Waller again for whatever reason

[keen stone]

It'd be nice if her outing her mom as the head of a human rights violation had like an emotional affect on her too

[heady pine]

Scheduling issues maybe, what's Viola Davis doin rn

[keen stone]

She might also just be very pricey

[heady pine]

Also that

Fair enough tho, she's a perfect Waller

[keen stone]

Meanwhile Frank Grillo is cheap as hell because he's not that talented

[heady pine]

I hope that Waller show isn't cancelled

[heady jasper]

Waller meeting Luthor would have gone so hard

With how tied to Superman the show has become for no reason, that would have been the ultimate way to show how vile of a character she is

Also, why did they lobotomize Adrian this season

Did the ghost of Auggie just tell Gunn to write this Season poorly?

[keen stone]

It is funny that Creature Commandos set up this whole other team she's created with Flag leading it and then off screen she was kicked out of argus and Flag's decided he's just gonna dump the entire team on some alternate reality

"Hey flag, what's our mission today?"
"oh it's real simple bride, you and the team just need to walk on through this door and it'll all make sense"

does the portal have to be a standard door size or can they make it like a garage door?

cause if it's stuck one size idk how the hell they're gonna get big boys like king shark in there

[heady jasper]

They cover him in baby oil and push him through

I think the Season was varied in quality but the finale was bad

I think the emotional beats in this Season were superior to the first but the story sucked

I get the complaints of people talking about how the story felt dragged out now because this feels like you could have condensed it into less episodes

[heady jasper]

It feels so contrived that the show brings up that Sasha is working for a government that would happily imprison her if givevn the chance and she immediately dismisses

[hollow jacinth]

Last week’s episode felt like more of a finale than this week’s did

Lmao

[heady jasper]

Yeah

Earth X only really works in the show to highlight Chris's depressive spiral

Feels completely disconnected from the Season otherwise

[keen stone]

Chris turning himself in could've been an interesting setup for next season

[heady jasper]

Like, is Keith going to try and find Chris and kill him?

Is Rick gonna put the Kyphotic Alien in Sanctuary?

[keen stone]

Hell they could've cut him getting bailed out and just had flag toss him away cause like, him making bail doesn't change the fact that he's supposed to go to trial which I guess just isn't happening now.

[heady jasper]

The most realistic part of this episode is that the American Government would rather pour money into prisons rather than helping people

[keen stone]

Which is what's especially frustrating, the biggest strength of last season for me was the exploration of how a good person could end up being a tool for a racist authoritarian government. And they did like zero exploration of that this season despite having huge plot opportunities for it.

I honestly don't think any of the emotional beats this season tops chris playing the piano last season. That felt so real and like such a unique way to show the man he could have been. His love of music is important because he's an artist at heart, not a killer.

The natural conclusion of his arc should be abandoning the peacemaker persona because it's the real curse. And even if they don't do that this season (cause I get that'd be kinda early) it'd be nice if they touched on that more in the finale than the team going "no chris don't be sad, we all think you're super special and the hot girl likes likes you!"

[heady jasper]

I think the thing that really prevents me from really disputing any of this is that Chris and Harcourt's relationship in this season is LITERALLY him being like "hey what about the boat?"

All of the pieces of a good season are there but the connections are so bad

I like the idea of the 11th Street Kids making a good version of Task Force X because that feels like a natural direction for them post-Season 1 but it doesn't feel earned

It feels rushed

Rick Flag Sr. sucks as a threat compared to Waller because he has no grit

He wants to avenge his son until he doesn't until he does

Chris potentially assaulted Earth X Harcourt and that's not addressed

Sanctuary is a good idea but it feels very last minute

They should have established that stuff a lot sooner than not at all

[heady jasper]

Rick Sr. being a lot more easily corruptible than Waller is a neat idea but it feels like me reading into the show

[keen stone]

It's even more wild that he didn't sleep with earth one harcourt before that, I assumed that's what happened on the boat, but the fact that he was that obsessed from one kiss to the point that he'd sleep with a different version of her in a heart beat is crazy.

[heady jasper]

Like, I guess it will be cool when Luthor finally steps on his head in order to escape in World's Finest

[keen stone]

Yeah but imagine how much more interesting it'd be to see Luthor have to outwit waller

[heady jasper]

That too

Rick Flag feels so underwritten in this show, I only remember he's in it when he appears in the intro

I also think Chris saying he's cursed was kinda dumb

It feels like Gunn accidentally sipped a little too much of the comedy juice because Chris not being able to actually articulate why he's depressed was a bit dumb

I think I might rewatch the first Season now because this one was kinda all over the place in terms of quality

Like, a lot of stuff clicked for me but it does feel less organized

This is the first middling thing from Gunn that I've seen since the first time I watched Guardians 2 (I liked it more on rewatch)

I hope Creature Commandos isn't this bad because good lord

[hollow jacinth]

It’s been a second since I’ve seen a season finale this disliked on the internet lmao

[keen stone]

Yeah tbh I think that was clear enough

Lex and his entire team was in this season, Flag was in Superman, them teaming up is pretty relevant set up

[frigid jay]

I still wish it was Waller instead of Rick flag doing all this. I hope we get to see her come back for some part of all this

[worldly zinc]

Tbf it was flag behind salvation in the comic. From what I understand waller was somewhat against it.

[heady jasper]

Waller when Rick Flag creates a good prison (she can't make a team of super criminals anymore)

https://tenor.com/view/screaming-lex-luthor-superman-aaah-raging-gif-11297985997473498830

[hollow jacinth]

Throw them in the phantom zone typa logic

[hollow jacinth]

Welp

[heady jasper]

LMAO

[hollow jacinth]

Perhaps I’m in the minority but personally I’d rather not see Peacemaker hijack the next Superman type movie when we have hardly even gotten to Clark’s own characters but hey that’s just me

[heady jasper]

Be James Gunn

makes flawed but good second season
ends show
refuses to elaborate
leaves
What did he mean by this?

[hollow jacinth]

I know you’ve done Peacemaker and shit and are happy with your prior work but like what are we even doing here

Peacemaker doesn’t belong as a big theater release next to Superman type character

Marvel recently realized that Television hype doesn’t always translate to Movie hype and Gunn would do well to remember that

[worldly zinc]

Generally I think that's a bad mindset. I think treating all characters as if they belong on the big screen is completely fine. Marvel issue was not utilising characters much after the fact or the TV format. Not the fact they had show characters appear in movies they shouldn't be.

But also like, peacemaker s2 is a contextual set up. Checkmate are a team that are gonna appear more and are functionally a narrative replacement for argus. You arent going to need to watch peacemaker to understand them. But if you want to see how they formed the story exists in the show.

[ember plover]

No S3?

What’s the fucking point then

[worldly zinc]

Man of tomorrow and checkmate series.
I think its pretty obvious listening to gunn statements

[ember plover]

So we are getting S3 just disguised as a new show

[keen stone]

If they're following up on his earth x brother in any capacity, that's a peacemaker story and only a peacemaker story

Call it whatever you want, that's a plotline exclusively about him and not resolving it in his own show either means they're just shoving it into another series or the other series is just season three. Or they don't resolve it and that whole arc feels unsatisfactory.

[worldly zinc]

I mean, I'll be incredibly surprised if Keith and earth x specifically is relevant in something like man of tomorrow.
If anything I'll guess a season 3 is on the table. But it likely won't be until after man of tomorrow

[keen stone]

There's always of course a chance, no plans usually just means they don't have anything set up not that they don't wanna do it, but it's such an odd decision to not even tease it at the end despite having a character call out that keith is likely going to hunt him down

[worldly zinc]

Looking back at the specific tease and then the following episode. It does kinda read to me now as something set up to come eventually And not immediately?
Like keith is injured and will probably take awhile to heal. And currently the QUC is being used and altered by argus. Meaning he can't travel through there right now.

[heady jasper]

Book of Boba Fett moment

[frigid jay]

I think more likely we will get a checkmate project/show

It’s not peacemaker S3, but might as well be S3 for the sake of their stories

[dull osprey]

Yeah, is weird that they serve alcohol.
It feels more like a Friday's, but the name really doesn't give that away

[dull osprey]

The Boat scene with Nelson was Peak

I almost did a fangirl scream.

[raw snow]

When the show’s theme song turns up in the show, that’s how you know shit’s about to go down

Just like in MTV’s Teen Wolf season 2 finale

Wait so is Peacemaker in Jurassic League World now or something?

[heady jasper]

That would be fucking hilarious

Imagine that's how we first see Batman in the DCU

Beyond a cameo in Creature Commandos

[dull osprey]

About that...
Not that the pocket dimension could only lead you to alternative versions of Earth, right?
So why they call salvation a "planet"?
Is literally just Earth but different.

Like, I know Salvation is a Planet in the comics.
But is just that it doesn't fit with what we know about pocket dimensions, like, could one of those doors lead to Uranus or sum shit?

[heady pine]

Yeah I was a little confused there too, they phrased it weird

[keen stone]

See they aren't really pocket dimensions or like a gateway through the multiverse, they're more just general doors that cross space

So like some of them cross dimensional space, like from one earth to another, some cross into dimensions and onto other planets in said dimension I think

[frigid jay]

Is earth not also a planet?

[dull osprey]

Why don't just call it "Earth?"
Why treat it like if it was a Planet far away from our solar system?

[frigid jay]

Well we don’t really know anything about it other than it’s some planet most likely in another dimension. Doesn’t necessarily have to be on earth. If it was the candy land world, should they still call it earth?

[dull osprey]

Like, is just Earth... But with Candy. But still earth.

[frigid jay]

We don’t know that one is earth because the QUC doors could be set up anywhere

[forest zenith]

Not everyone has to identify as earth, you bigot

[dull osprey]

Bro...

[visual shore]

Brotato chip what

[hollow jacinth]

Bro…

[raw snow]

In the DCU, do you think Peacemaker season 1’s theme song is the same one they used for season 2?

[worldly sluice]

James Gunn is a cuck confirmed

[ember plover]

What

[worldly sluice]

Nothing just me and my friends kept making jokes last season that Gunn was a cuck cause hardcort is played by hos wife and there was romantic tension between her a peacemaker

Then they kissed

[visual shore]

So is Cena's wife

[forest zenith]

Didn’t know he was married tbh

[hollow jacinth]

Can’t wait for the episode tonight

https://tenor.com/view/peacemaker-peacemaker-intro-wig-wam-do-you-really-wanna-taste-it-do-you-really-wanna-gif-16568657050667776963

[jolly plover]

excuse me

[ember plover]

The surprise episode

[dull osprey]

Tonights episode was Peak

[raw snow]

Tonight’s episode was super crazy

Cuck confirmed

[heady jasper]

I clapped when James Gunn watched Jon Cena fuck his wife from the closet in a Superman Costume (I had a high enough IQ to get the reference)

[ember plover]

My favorite part was when Peacemaker was lik “Do you really want to taste it?” as he came, just an incredible reference to the season 1 intro

[hollow jacinth]

Can’t believe they ripped off the plotline of Toy Story 2 this season for Peacemaker’s arc smh my head

[forest zenith]

Yeah it was way cooler when Woody killed Woody

[raw snow]

The fact that they showed us Oracle before showing us DCU Batman in live action

[worldly zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/impress-based-american-psycho-very-based-impressive-very-based-gif-21665669

[heady jasper]

Does this mean that the Joker has already been the Ambassador of Iraq?

[heady pine]

Thank God only the important stuff is canon this time around

[dull osprey]

Foxy Shazam - Oh Lord >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wig Wam's Do you wanna taste it

[keen stone]

https://tenor.com/view/biff-bifftannen-sounds-familiar-gif-25340723

[jolly plover]

https://tenor.com/view/i-am-a-surgeon-dr-han-the-good-doctor-discord-bubble-discord-speech-bubble-gif-1845193550933450334

Straight up wrong opinion

[frigid jay]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-peacemaker-showing-off-my-moves-dance-moves-john-cena-gif-2478019590838627074

I used to think different…. But I’m a changed man now

[raw snow]

This is the only correct take

[dull osprey]

Idk, Oh Lord feels more genuine than the latter

[forest zenith]

I really love how they sing “and god knows I’ve had some rough fucking years”

[visual shore]

Fred and Bumblebee gonna save Peacemaker from Salvation in Season 3

[forest zenith]

Forgot DC had a Bumblebee for a second

[keen stone]

https://tenor.com/view/who-are-you-is-this-gif-27089283

[heady jasper]

The Asian Cop that Goff takes over

[keen stone]

...goff

and that is?

[heady jasper]

The leader of the Butterflies

Alien Butterflies who wanted to take over Earth

From Season 1

[keen stone]

season...1?

nah but fr I completely forgot that butterfly's name and the cop lady

as much as I think this season was a huge step down from season 1 I also think part of that is because the show was really bad at its pacing, primary antagonists, and overarching plot from the beginning and they just fell flat on the character work I liked from before the second time around

[heady jasper]

I just finished rewatching the first Season and I really agree.

I don't know if its because tying Peacemaker directly to other DCU projects is what harmed it but a lot of the writing just seems inconsistent with the first two

Or is just a major step down in general

Adebyo and Keeya's feels completely divorced from what happened in Season 1, like Gunn got bored with writing this relationship and decided to write Keeya out of the show

The emotional work with the cast is better in Season 2 but the plot is kind of a mess

It does drag its feet and the payoff isn't satisfying

The Butterflies were a lot more interesting than Rick Flag Sr. getting Luthorpilled because the stakes were a lot higher than "the US Government sucks"

The social commentary also felt a lot less lazy and more meaningful

Saying that Harcourt has "Toxic Masculinity" in Season 2 felt like a fucking Rick and Morty joke

I don't think the Gunn jammed with Season 2 but I think he may be spreading himself thin so the quality isn't up to the same as his other work

[raw snow]

He did say he wrote season 2 in a short time. So maybe he just left it at that and didn’t feel like taking the extra time to look it over again.

[heady pine]

Idk why anyone thought Keeya and Ads were about to stay together, it was clear their goals were starting to diverge a good bit the whole first season, it's why they were arguing so much and that's not gonna be fixed simply bc Ads exposed Waller

[heady pine]

And considering everything going on rn I feel like this message needs to be all over the place lol

[keen stone]

Considering how despite how awful shit is people still don't seem to understand why, I think it's more important to write critiques out carefully and make sure they're well developed before releasing it half baked and underwhelming

[hollow jacinth]

No guys it’s not a critique of the MAGA administration

It’s just a jolly coincidence actually

James Gunn just so happened to carefully write a plot line that mirrors the real world by pure fate alone

Anyways excited for the episode tonight

https://tenor.com/view/peacemaker-season-2-title-sequence-dancing-john-cena-chris-smith-intro-peacemaker-season-2-john-cena-peacemaker-season-2-gif-5019661714260831447

[heady jasper]

Because Season 1 ends with the implication that Ads will try to be a better partner

Instead she abandons her wife to dick around in Checkmate

The show keeps emphasizing how they can't be together because its dangerous but the fucking hetero couple is fine I guess

https://tenor.com/view/romantic-moment-christopher-smith-agent-emilia-harcourt-peacemaker-coming-face-to-face-gif-6196046276581718020

[heady pine]

Yeah that's fair

[heady jasper]

@keen stone rewatching Season 1 I think that Chris x Emelia was handled FAR better

Harcourt letting down her emotional walls was much better than Chris asking her "did the kiss mean anything" every five seconds

[dull osprey]

I can't wait for tonights epsiode

[heady jasper]

I basically agree with Circle's take on Earth X but I think the thing for me about Season 2's social commentary is that its not handled as well as the first one.

Like obviously there's the whole thing with the Butterflies attempting to stop climate change so they can continue to live on Earth because they don't want to lose another planet

But also you have stuff like Ads or Harcourt saying political stuff and Chris and Adrian being very dude broish and it doesn't come across as preachy but them trying to educate two idiots

The political stuff doesn't feel as important to the story so "I don't think this Earth is that different from our own" would have hit harder if there were actual parallels beyond Auggie and the Smiths having the power to resist but choosing not to

The Boys is a show I don't think I like anymore because it's fully devolved into misery porn, but it's commentary in Season 4 was frighteningly accurate

Meanwhile Season 2 is like "Yeah, we're basically Nazis. Think about that America"

[keen stone]

I think in general people need to stop writing things with Nazis in it as some sort of commentary cause 99% of the time it's either not saying much of anything or struggling to make a point.

And considering this is like the third time Gunn has made Nazis a specific plot point in one of his DCU projects it feels less like he has something to say and more like it's an easy cop out bad guy for him.

Not that I don't think he's trying to say something, just that I don't think he's thought it out very much.

[heady jasper]

I also think it was at his most effective in Peacemaker Season 1

[keen stone]

Well in that case it was more KKK members, but I'm talking the specific Nazi inclusion. And in that case I think The Suicide Squad handled it best cause they weren't like an active threat they were just a historical element that hammered home the theme of neverending fascism.

[heady jasper]

I mean, they were called the Aryan Empire and did the Musk Salute

The Nazis in TSS were not only a nod to South American history but also about how Corto Maltese has been a place where the corrupt have been allowed to do experiments with the Regime's permission until they have no further use for them

[keen stone]

Yeah and I liked that more cause it felt like a natural part of the story

[heady jasper]

The Nazis in Peacemaker Season 1 was about firmly cementing Auggie Smith as a unsympathetic character and someone Chris should not be seeking approval from

Still haven't seen Creature Commandos so I'm not sure why they're there except for the fact that GI Robot is in the story

[keen stone]

I do like how they handled that in season 1, but I think I liked it more cause they weren't explicitly named Nazis, even if functionally they still were it feels more relevant to see a group that pretends its anything else while still doing all the nazisms

[heady jasper]

I also think the Nazi stuff was handled better in Season 1 because it was tied into Chris and Auggie's dynamic instead of it being a "gotcha" moment

If Earth X had been the main villains I think that would have worked more because a Nazi invasion not only would have been a good end to the Season but also really funny because you'd be fighting them in a interdimensional closet

[keen stone]

I think in general the best thing about Peacemaker's character is he feels like a real person that grew up in that environment. I like that the first season didn't go out of its way to apologize for his behavior and instead criticized him and showed how much he suffered from not growing and changing.

[heady jasper]

Rick Flag Sr. getting Luthorpilled was a good bit of writing but it feels very rushed because it was not the focus of his arc prior to the last two episodes

[keen stone]

Versus the second season where we get a whole scene of Ads downplaying all of his flaws and insisting that he's this charming lovable magic goofball that probably just didn't notice the Nazi stuff cause he's stupid and not because he's kinda subconsciously racist

[heady jasper]

yeah

[keen stone]

"you don't understand, he's not a bad guy, he has a demigod eagle!"

[heady jasper]

What makes Chris have a good character arc in Season 1 is that he actively has to fight for his character development

I like his depression arc in Season 2 but I don't think it was balanced with the overarcing story of that season

[keen stone]

I just didn't have any real resolution. He freaked out, went to jail, his friends bailed him out, he finally pressured his crush into going out with him, and then everything was better

[heady jasper]

I think I said this already, but Gunn had a lot of good pieces of writing but not really any good connecting dots

Especially with Harcourt

I think Season 1 does set up her and Chris becoming a couple pretty well, and I like the idea that she's spiraling because she's attracted to the guy who killed her situationship partner

But Gunn fumbled actually writing that

[keen stone]

ever since you said the toxic masculinity joke felt like it was out of rick and morty I can't get that out of my head 😭

[heady jasper]

Good, now I'm not the only one cursed with knowledge

lmao

Harcourt letting down her emotional walls in Season 1 was written really well. I like that by the end of the first season she is actually able to encourage Ads instead of hazing her, or show emotion other than anger.

But in Season 2 its just like Gunn is like "Sweetie, you need to accept that Peacemaker wants to be your boyfriend."