#The Acolyte

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sturdy acorn
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no way does sol die like that

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wow

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why did the writers fucking have it out for him 😭

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this feels like genuinely mean spirited

warm torrent
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just you wait

sturdy acorn
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if bazil gets blown up this show will be redeemed

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a fucking memory wipe

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are you shitting me

royal lake
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I once got in a shouting match with my dad because he didn't agree with my choice of higher studies (he was worried because he thought it would be good to make a living because hard scientific research is almost non-existent here in Italy), adults having expectations and being insistent may be part of an abusive family but not something that inherently is.

warm torrent
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That's why context is so important

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Something this show sorely lacks

royal lake
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I don't remember this part but then it's bit difficult to have close combat training without it seeming like assault.

warm torrent
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No it was after she locked up Osha

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She went to the Zabrak mom and then she attacked her saying "your enemy will not warn you! Be angry!" or something like that

sturdy acorn
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i would also argue that even in a training setting thats crazy as hell

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especially for like 8 yr olds

warm torrent
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You know who we haven't seen do that?

royal lake
sturdy acorn
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?????

warm torrent
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You're really making a leap with that man

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I'm not saying the one scene of the zabrak telling them not to run off is a confirmation of abuse or nothing

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I'm saying everyone in the witch tribe talks about the kids and treats them like assets and not like people except the mom and she seems conflicted about that up until the end.

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Like this isn't a nuclear family, the show went out of their way to present this as an unorthodox and uncomfortable environment

royal lake
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Which still doesn't constitute abuse, especially since they are the only children we see and they might be a tad worried of going extinct.

warm torrent
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Again, context for why this is the only way they reproduce would be nice

sturdy acorn
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Like bare minimum this doesn't feel like a loving environment. The show goes out of its way to make Osha seem deeply unhappy and gives me no reason to think she loves her family outside of just the inherent bond between a parent and a child, which as I said I don't think is a very fair assumption to make when lots of people don't have that.

royal lake
sturdy acorn
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to me that alone doesnt justify how they treat literal children

warm torrent
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I also don't know what's so necessary about accessing the force like this

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The only thing we're shown it does is let them mind control people and turn into smoke

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And their philosophy about "the power of many" is very vague and on paper doesn't really conflict with the Jedi like they try to say it does

royal lake
royal lake
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Mae also seems very violent and generally unsure about why she's doing all of this outside approval from her parents

sturdy acorn
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i said it before but it was a minute ago, osha and mae just seem like they’re having different trauma responses to a bad environment honestly

warm torrent
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Like when Sol asks her what the point of being in charge of the witches is and she says "idk"

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And again it's weird to repeatedly show that the council doesn't approve of getting involved in the witch's business

sturdy acorn
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mae wants to become a jedi, and i guess you could say that’s just out of nowhere but to me it just screams that this kid has the force and sees the jedi as a much better alternative to utilizing her gift than the current environment in which she is constantly pushed by pretty much everyone except one person who occasionally is affectionate. mae as mentioned is constantly aggressive and overextends herself

warm torrent
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Like if the Jedi are so anti any other force group why are they being ordered to leave them alone?

sturdy acorn
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its very conflicting

royal lake
warm torrent
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Again, then show us the bad experiences. Or give us any reason to believe that the bad experiences are common enough to stick. Like it's easy to do the heavy lifting for the show when they say something is true and provide no evidence for it, you just fill in the gaps yourself and now you can't prove that the Jedi haven't done bad things in the past.

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It doesn't help that the CW show pretty much showed us dozens of examples of Jedi being put in situations where they help the locals find peace and are generally all around good people

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Which isn't necessarily this show's fault, but unless you know nothing about the Jedi you have much more reason to believe they're more good than not.

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And the major cases of them being bad are usually less the fault of the order and more than fault of the Republic, but in this show they present the only politician as being right for calling the Jedi out

sturdy acorn
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i think most criticisms of the jedi succeed when they dont show that being a jedi is an inherently bad thing, but that it’s been politicized and so caught up in tradition and bureaucracy that their inherent values start to fade and corrupt into something lesser than it should be

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this show kind of just wants to say that being a jedi means bottling up your emotions to one day lash out and do terrible things. which certainly happens, and thats not something the rest of the franchise shies away from showing, but its not something thats inherent to the jedi order. just something that the jedi order eventually exacerbates through its decline

warm torrent
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It's a lot harder to avoid stressful scenarios when you're being drafted into a war

sturdy acorn
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sol is framed as, as vernestra says, “a good, compassionate man who did a terrible thing.” and it’s weird because he is simultaneously singled out in a coverup and also the philosophy of the stranger, and the witches, that this is what being a jedi ultimately gets you

warm torrent
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when I was telling my friend from earlier about what happened to sol she said "I hate when they do no good deed goes unpunished storylines" and I think I agree with that in this show

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I don't understand what we're supposed to take away here other than just don't try helping people when they look like they're in abusive situations

sturdy acorn
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i dont like to say this about a piece of media, especially when such a rabid part of the fanbase is repeating it for stupider reasons, but this kind of feels antithetical to everything we’re supposed to feel about the jedi

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and honestly, if killing mother aniseya wasnt so sloppily written and waved off as this terrible atrocity, then this one jedi framing this coverup to protect the interests of the order would feel more in line with the prequel train of thought of the jedi being corrupt as an institution

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but for some reason sol killing this woman in a misunderstanding(already a dumb trope and on top of that the execution is horrendous) is supposed to be this horrible evil thing he did

warm torrent
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I don't wanna repeat this, but yeah this again

bronze tinsel
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I'm just glad that this trash is over HG_AniNut

rose schooner
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So how we all feeling on The Acolyte now?

clever hinge
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Still really liked it

dim hill
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I enjoyed it. It’s not perfect but I thought the second half was interesting. It wasn’t as good as it should’ve been I feel. I was disappointing in that aspect

shadow siren
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I loved it. Only one major problem on my end, but it wasn't enough for me to turn on it at all.

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I also don't really care about "legacy" or "honoring the lore" or whatever, so I didn't have any issues with the Jedi being called out for their BS ahaha

warm torrent
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That's a weird way of looking at that

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Like both for people who liked it and didn't

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I don't get how the Jedi's portrayal is about the lore, like in text they've always had problems

minor junco
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Yeah, there’s really no revolutionary criticism of the Jedi here

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Other Stories in fact do it more elegantly

pale jewel
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Huh

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That’s weird

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Oh I was in the wrong channel lmao

sly jackal
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But I just finished the series, ended not bad tbh. I think the Jedi are sorta symbolic of flaws and judgement’s brought on by religion

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Like the Jedi are technically a cult/religion right?

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Or is that recanonized

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(If it is, then maybe I give up)

dim hill
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Well isn’t there an officer in a new hope that calls the force some hokey religion or something like that?

warm torrent
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Yeah but what flaws specifically? Other than just general hypotheticals, the closest thing you can compare them to are like crusaders and even then the big flaw there was that they were under the command of a monarchy that ruled based on religious subversion

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Which is sorta similar to the prequels where they were generals under the republic

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But in this the republic isn't backing their plays

silent relic
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Finally watched episode 5, yep I already know where this is all going

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Great lightsaber choreography and Lee Jung-Jae is acting his ass off, that’s really all the positives I can say

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Idk why but a lot of the interactions between Mae and Osha seem so

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Awkward

rose schooner
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The AcolSprite

pale jewel
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I love how they did the drink bottles in Galaxy’s Edge

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I actually own one

rose schooner
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Predictions for tonight’s Acolyte episode?

icy rose
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Jecki's alive, the stab just missed her vital organs or something

minor junco
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45 minutes of hot, steamy sex between Osha and Qimir with Plagueis watching from the shadows and academically scribbling down everything on his holopad to further his studies

radiant meteor
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I think I remember hearing that they discontinued them due to airport security mistaking them for grenades.

pale jewel
sturdy acorn
pale jewel
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They wanted to make sure i wasn’t bringing a flash on the plane with me or something like that

clever hinge
radiant meteor
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Ok

rose schooner
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Just half an hour until peak

rose schooner
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Wow. What an episode that was.

sturdy acorn
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ending so bad u almost had me thinking there was an actual new episode

sleek zodiac
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Acolyte more like my wife left me

cursive glacier
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So true oomfie

sleek zodiac
sturdy acorn
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this is killing me

cursive glacier
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Did he just slam his face into something as dangerous as a lightsaber, breaks it, and just survive like nothing happened?

sturdy acorn
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it makes sense in the show, cortosis(his helmet and armor material) is explained to temporarily short circuit lightsabers

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it just looks funny

cursive glacier
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Ohhh

sturdy acorn
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i also dont know why he wouldnt just immediately slice up his opponents after literally removing their one weapon but yk

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bro had places to be ig

cursive glacier
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I was about to ask if he even worn anything because the gif doesn’t show it clearly

sturdy acorn
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his biceps are out but the rest of him is clothed

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in this scene at least

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cant lie when i first saw it it seemed at first like he had a loose cloak and nothing beneath lmfao

cursive glacier
sturdy acorn
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canon

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(well this isnt even canon)

cursive glacier
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Mace fr just didn’t bother and said “No more organs for you”

sturdy acorn
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if it was me i woulda gone for his balls

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testicular force-torsion

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mace might’ve crippled his functionality but i would’ve crippled his dignity

cursive glacier
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Pretty sure that would’ve also killed him

rose schooner
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Mace probably just enjoys violence tbh

minor junco
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That is actually true (at least in legends). It’s something he struggles with a lot during the novel Shatterpoint

cursive glacier
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Interesting

pale jewel
sleek zodiac
peak kayak
minor junco
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Force kick in the balls

sleek zodiac
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Kinky

pale jewel
radiant meteor
weary schooner
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Finished the acolyte tonight and yeah I think I'll stay by 5. It doesn't have nearly enough time to explore what it wants to explore. Osha and mae feel too undeveloped for their motivational swings to feel well executed. Plot is eh, worldbuilding is eh, production is eh. Sol feels also weird by the end. Like I get what their going for I just don't feel it's pulled off al that well. Some fights are cool at least but I don't really feel a lot of drawn to this particular era. Maybe s2 will have satisfying answers for my hang ups but frankly I'm not sure I trust the writing for to do that.
Side note, I'm not sure how I feel about the accidental bleeding, on the one hand I can see the pieces to justify it. On the other it felt too easy. Will need to ruminite on that a bit more. As well as for the show. My opinion might go up or down as time goes on but I don't think it'll be by much.
I've seen people say this is worst than kenobi and it's not. Not at all.

sturdy acorn
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id personally put them around the same level

rose schooner
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I definitely prefer Kenobi over this

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Like Kenobi is a 7.5 to me and Acolyte is a 6

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But for UK conversion I guess that’d be 5.5 and 4

sleek zodiac
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Acolyte has crawled slowly to a reluctant 6/10 but for me kenobi is like

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4/10

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I really didnt enjoy it

radiant meteor
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I give The Acolyte a 5/10.

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Good ideas all around, but executed very messy.

sturdy acorn
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honestly in hindsight i still rank kenobi higher

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acolyte made me actively unhappy with some of its choices. where with kenobi i was at worst like oh this is just really dumb lol

sleek zodiac
rose schooner
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Ultimately, our scores don’t really matter

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Only whatever score HelloGreedo himself gives it

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And then we’d write it down in the HolyGreedo Book

weary schooner
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Who's this Hello fella you're talking about?

rose schooner
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He’s a firefighter but instead of wearing a hat he wears a stormtrooper helmet

weary schooner
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Sounds like a weird fella

dreamy stone
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Me looking back at Book of Boba after suffering through The Acolyte

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rose schooner
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The Book of Boba Fett? More like

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I feel like I lost a bet

minor junco
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Book of Boba Fett is still significantly worse

pale jewel
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It’s strange that this is exactly how I felt watching the show

sleek zodiac
rose schooner
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I actually rank The Acolyte last after Fett when it comes to the live action shows

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It was all over the place but I was generally more entertained

radiant meteor
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Blame right wingers (both online and in general) for ruining media analysis.

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I keep wondering what’s something that came out in 2009, considering it said if it came out 15 years ago, that was beloved by audiences that would easily get hated on for being “woke” if it was released today.

rose schooner
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Maybe Avatar for its “protect the environment, rich white men are evil” message?

warm torrent
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The only thing ruining media analysis is social media being the only place people talk about media

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I had a totally normal Acolyte convo in person with someone yesterday no problem

peak kayak
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We should kill social media

radiant meteor
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Social media was a mistake.

dim hill
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Time for Antisocial Media

rose schooner
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But I’m at my best when I chat on here

pale jewel
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I would say CinemaSins ruined media analysis

sturdy acorn
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peak kayak
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Alright I blame you

warm torrent
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I'll accept that answer

sturdy acorn
warm torrent
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That 25% belongs to me

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Pix said so

peak kayak
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He owns cinemasins stock! Get him!

sturdy acorn
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i do not abide by pixarpal’s rules

dim hill
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I feel like cinemasins unintentionally played a part in it, that being people taking small things and nitpicks super seriously like it ruins the movie when the intentions of the channel/videos was the point out stupid goofs

warm torrent
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I still hold firm that Mr. Plinkett is more to blame for that

peak kayak
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Finally, a True

warm torrent
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I knew annoying kids that would quote his videos all the time as genuine critiques

dim hill
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Idk who that is and I think that’s a good thing

warm torrent
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He made these joke videos about the prequels in earlyish youtube days where as a character he goes on like angry pizza roll filled rants about the movies, and like some of it was genuine but most of it was exaggerated comedy

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But I'd say that was a very early example of playing a nitpicky asshole but nobody realizing you were doing a bit and using that format in real arguments

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I think the biggest thing about CinemaSins for me always will be that I've still never seen anyone try to recreate his format except to be positive and talk about what works about movies, vs the 50000 channels where someone plays Nostalgia Critic/AVGN/Plinkett inspired characters that get hyper angry and joke about drinking a lot and rage for hours and hours on end

peak kayak
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Avgn at least mainly stayed with the low, obscure hanging fruit

warm torrent
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He did, and I don't think he's a bad dude by any means, he's the most reasonable of the bunch

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But there were definitely people who didn't understand the difference between what he'd make fun of and mainstream content, they only saw that being really loud and angry was funny and emulated it with things that made them angry

peak kayak
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You can just say Irate Gamers name, it’s okay

warm torrent
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I don't remember who that is

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All these youtubers just blend together for me they're all so similar

peak kayak
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He was the AVGN rip off. Like shot for shot, word for word

warm torrent
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Damn

radiant meteor
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Remember when CinemaSins said this? đŸ€ź

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Like, what the fuck?!

sturdy acorn
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i will say as a cinemasins hater that does just feel like satire

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granted, maybe not very well executed satire 💀

warm torrent
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His early videos for sure tried to do too much misogyny satire

radiant meteor
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Why was YouTube filled with so many shitty people like Shane Dawson for example back then?

warm torrent
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Back then?

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Bro there are way worse now

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Like CinemaSins was doing a bad joke, there are actual groomers now

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Not that there weren't groomers then, but they weren't making boatloads of money off of it at the same time

radiant meteor
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Remember the time when Jeremy Jahns did blackface?

warm torrent
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I don't know who that is

radiant meteor
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The YouTube movie reviewer.

sturdy acorn
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man

warm torrent
sturdy acorn
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day zero of forgetting the shitty reviewers i used to watch

warm torrent
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Oh he's red background guy

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I remember his thumbnails

radiant meteor
radiant meteor
warm torrent
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Never watched him

sturdy acorn
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i dont even know why i used to watch him he never did anything for me

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one day i was just like wait this guy is annoying

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gained consciousness

radiant meteor
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I unsubbed from him last year.

warm torrent
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I swear 90% of these guys I've never seen before and then I'm always hearing horror stories

sturdy acorn
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im so glad the only youtube channels i keep up with now are jangbricks and curious archive

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just wholesome lego reviews and actually interesting video essays

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and my tiktok screentime is practically gone

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next step: instagram

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final step: permanent discord purge

dim hill
sturdy acorn
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not for me, but of this server

warm torrent
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I'm very happy that despite starting social accounts for my youtube channel I haven't once looked at TikTok's for you page and my facebook has been not interested so many times it doesn't even recommend accounts anymore

radiant meteor
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The most I watch for film reviewers is Chris Stuckmann (despite the fact he only does positive reviews now), YMS and Dan Murrell. I do like Sean Chandler, 3C Films and Austin Burke as well.

warm torrent
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Dan Murrell always seemed chill but I don't watch movie reviews in general

radiant meteor
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Dan was the best of Screen Junkies.

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Idk why the Screen Junkies channel is still called Screen Junkies since it’s only just Honest Trailers now.

dim hill
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Most channels I watch for current movie reviews are mostly just the comic nerdy ones (that aren’t the gamergate kind), and then sometimes cinemawins cause he will point out cool little details that are easily missed that I find fun

radiant meteor
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CinemaWins is better than CinemaSins.

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He knows his stuff a lot better.

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radiant meteor
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I also like Pretty Much It when it comes to movie commentary/reaction channels.

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Eric is the GOAT!

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I love him and his sister’s commentaries for the old Olsen Twins movies.

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His commentaries for the Spy Kids movies got me to sub to his channel.

warm torrent
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Never heard of them either

dim hill
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Not really a review channel, but Amazing Shots has clips/highlights the cinematography and scores of movies which is cool to appreciate

radiant meteor
sturdy acorn
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i only ever occasionally pop in on a chris stuckmann video now, and its only if it appears on my home page + if its a movie im actually interested in

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but he’s solid

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the closest i do to keeping up with any particular reviewer

warm torrent
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That's not meant to be mean or anything that was just my first thought

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Side note though I hate how all youtube thumbnails and titles are blending together

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So many videos I've ignored just cause their thumbnails feel so formulaic

peak kayak
warm torrent
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There are those ones yeah

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But now it's more like

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One sec

dim hill
peak kayak
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Ask any YTer, they’ll tell you they hate doing those thumbnails. But they significantly work

warm torrent
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It's like this

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There's always someone in the center with a microphone

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And the two faces to the sides with the outline

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Which there are some channels that I can tell they just need to use it, but there's a flood of shitty commentary channels lately that are all so low effort and boring

peak kayak
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Glad Charlie Brown is finally being taken down a peg

warm torrent
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I think it's funny cause like this is a channel I do like and she uses that thumbnail title format all the time, but the first video I saw of hers had a completely different format and it was based on a recommendation from another video, not even from the algorithm

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I wonder how much that actually affects adults who watch youtube vs the kids that just mindlessly click on things

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Cause like the Mr Beast thumbnail was definitely born from just children

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But I feel like most people I know who watch youtube get recommendations from channels they already watch or from people who collab with people they watch. Or if you're an MCU fan I guess constant spoilers

peak kayak
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Nah YT pushes people like Beast a bit harder in the algorithm. You will be recommended unrelated trending shit, no matter your compliance

sturdy acorn
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i havent gotten anything unrelated and trending on my home page in ages

peak kayak
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They hate you obviously

sturdy acorn
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thank god

zinc geode
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YouTube is at least more controllable than some of the other social media platforms

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Getting rid of half of them was one of the best things I’ve ever done, most miserable people you’ll ever see

rose schooner
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I blame Red Letter Media

runic urchin
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Guess the streaming numbers came out and Acolyte did not do very well, apparently it was the lowest viewed SW show, though I believe it was for various reasons, none of them being culture war or political reasons. My top three reasons were: 1. Lack of faith in D+ SW shows, 2. Short runtimes, 3. The two episode premiere just didn’t grab a lot of ppl

rose schooner
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I think at this point, to the filthy casuals, a new Star War is a dime a dozen

near pulsar
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Literally no streaming figures have been released? All we have is data for the Premiere and 3rd party companies, like those that manage tvs. Who largely make rough estimates and aren't trustworthy

rose schooner
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Case and point: I don’t see anyone taking about the new episodes of Young Jedi Adventures

dim hill
near pulsar
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I would like to state clearly, since this comes up so much. Streaming data is literally never released. They only ever put out vague ideas and the only time a explicit number is giving is when it breaks a specific number (example being obi wan hitting big or percy jackon being the biggest non franchise ip of Disney plus)

dim hill
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But also yeah we have a very limited idea of viewership because of numbers from other platforms that track it on their end

near pulsar
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Streaming is just one of those things where companies just don't release data, because it's not really important to anybody but them. And they're not like networks who do sometimes publish numbers

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(I'm also pretty sure viewership numbers released from tv brands or something like Neilson are also generally region specific and not global)

near pulsar
rose schooner
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Star Wars fandom would be better if more people just talked about the High Republic books instead of the TV shows

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Star Wars should be a books first franchise again, just like in the pre-PT and post-PT years.

warm torrent
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But reading is hard đŸ˜©

rose schooner
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Tough

warm torrent
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Exactly

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I don't watch star wars to think

dim hill
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At least we’re getting that one high republic game, surely nothing bad or controversial will come from that at all

cursive glacier
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I only read the Quran, philosophical, scientific, historical, and superhero books sorry HG_JarJarThumbsUp

warm torrent
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Yeah see I don't wanna end up like that nerd!

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Oh wait there's audio books on spotify

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I can just do that

cursive glacier
warm torrent
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See look what reading gets you!

rose schooner
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“Get your Audible free trial when you enter the code-“

dim hill
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6

cursive glacier
near pulsar
rose schooner
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There’s no way it would get ECLIPSED by controversy, right?

sturdy acorn
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đŸ€©

cursive glacier
runic urchin
sturdy acorn
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the Council of Turtle’s Schizo Voices issues a formal apology

cursive glacier
warm torrent
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CoTSV: Creating of The Spider-Verse

radiant meteor
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Imagine if the S2 finale of The Acolyte has Yoda in a dance battle against Qimir! 😂

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