Ahsoka

[torpid stag]

i just dont agree with the premise of your argument lol

[marble epoch]

So like.. Season 2 seems likely

[torpid stag]

best leave it there

and yeah season 2 is probably happening

[marble epoch]

Wonder how they're going to handle Baylan

He seems to still have a lot of story left

[torpid stag]

a recast feels both necessary and a bit disrespectful

so idk

its tough

[fervent skiff]

im fuming about that cliffhanger

[marble whale]

I could see them doing it tbh

[marble epoch]

Recasting is not disrespectful

[torpid stag]

maybe not disrespectful

[fervent skiff]

was saying it since episode 4 and you called me crazy, said it would all be paid off

[torpid stag]

but awkward

[fervent skiff]

nothing did

[torpid stag]

no i didnt

i said wait until it's over before making that complaint

now you can!

[marble epoch]

What would be paid off?

[fervent skiff]

only thing we got an answer too was why ahsoka STOPPED training sabine

[torpid stag]

damn its almost as though they're leading upto something

in another season

[marble whale]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-brain-damage-funny-gif-9567713795855473020

[torpid stag]

or something

[torpid stag]

[fervent skiff]

we dont know why she started, what baylan was looking for, why shin follows baylan, either of their backstories, why morgan is involved in the empire and thrawn, what thrawns PLAN EVEN IS

ITS FINE to setup stuff for another season

[valid blaze]

Anyway, sleep

[fervent skiff]

but i at least

expect the main setup of a single season to be paid off at least a little bit

[torpid stag]

yeah like getting ezra home

wait

[fervent skiff]

theres nothing wrong with setting up season 2 but fucking finish season 1's story

[torpid stag]

[fervent skiff]

lmfaoo

[marble epoch]

Anyways recasting is not disrespectful, I'd argue most would like their characters story to continue on even after they pass.

It's also not always a worst casting, for example Ethan Peck is as good at Spock as Leonard Nimoy was

[fervent skiff]

sorry i forgot sip emoji disproves all critism

im done with the discourse of this show y'all have fun

[marble epoch]

They did? Ezra and Thrawn made it to their galaxy

[torpid stag]

Literally the first goal set out by the characters is to being ezra home

what happened this episode

[marble whale]

What’s important is that Thrawn lives to see another day

[torpid stag]

it's a "what" emote actually

no sipping involved

[marble epoch]

That's the most obvious thing since he is all but confirmed to be the main villain of Filoni's movie

[torpid stag]

the cup was a fabrication

[marble whale]

It would be hilarious if they take him down again with Space Squids

[torpid stag]

hear me out

[marble whale]

Just a whole ass army of them

[torpid stag]

Mythosaur

[marble epoch]

Mythosaur eats Thrawn

[marble whale]

We’ve been long overdue for the Mythosaur bruh

[torpid stag]

we've seen it

it's alive

its gonna eat thrawn like booberry crunch

[marble whale]

Yes but why would you show it to me if I can not see it in action

We want to see big monster

[marble epoch]

So my theory though is that Enoch is going to take the place of Rukh and betray and kill Thrawn.

Obviously Rukh can't have that roll since he was fried

[marble whale]

https://tenor.com/view/bruce-banner-big-monster-thor-ragnarok-hulk-gif-11571578

[rose vapor]

I feel like we're not talking enough about how Thrawn is back in the Galaxy to fuck shit up and probably helping bring back the Nightsistera

[torpid stag]

this is where we find out they retconned another novel and Ventress is alive

[marble whale]

I for one believe that there should be more Nightsisters

[torpid stag]

just admit you like goth girls already

[marble epoch]

I have hope, they referenced Thrawn Alliances here

[rose vapor]

Who doesn't?

[marble whale]

Thrawn is fighting a worthy cause

[rose vapor]

Exactly

I'd join space Napoleon to bring back pale goth space witches

[wary needle]

Someone I know just asked me if I’d heard the “headline” that Ahsoka got cancelled and sent me a Giant Freakin Robot link and a pic of a Mike Zeroh vid 🤦‍♂️

I don’t have the patience for this

[torpid stag]

bruh mike zeroh is still making shit?

[marble epoch]

Yes

[torpid stag]

that man is a genius

[marble epoch]

Lol

He's just gaming the systen

[torpid stag]

he's blatantly telling lies for a living and people are eating it up for years

he's doing something right

[wary needle]

It upsets me how easily fooled into clicking things people are

This is how SkyNet will take over

[torpid stag]

it's all in how mike lays out his videos

so many buzzwords

get viewers receptive to his words

[marble epoch]

Mike Zeroh is estimated to have a net worth of $1 million.

He made that by rage baiting

[torpid stag]

its really no wonder this fandom is so doomed

[wary needle]

God I hate that he makes money

Money was a mistake

HelloGreedo Jigsaw’ing Mike Zeroh when

[marble epoch]

So anyone notice that the Daughters head was missing?

[rose vapor]

Yeah, the Mortis gods are gonna be very important in the future

What's supposed to be the next Star Wars project after this?

[marble epoch]

Skeleton Crew

[rose vapor]

Oh wow I forgot about that

[marble epoch]

Also the episode title being a reference to Narnia made me so happy

[grave chasm]

I am convinced that Thrawn is shipping a bunch of nighsisters in suspended animation to Dathomir

[marble epoch]

I think you're right

[grave chasm]

It's probably super obvious or something, but it's the first time I've really put together stuff as a theory

Well

Besides thinking Fulcrum would be Bail Organa

I was so ready for bail organa at the end of rebels season 1

It's kinda lame actually

I was like,"Oh yeah, after the rebels helped R2 and 3PO, Bail Oriana is gonna send them on missions and stuff, feeding them insider info from his role as senator

In hindsight I find it really funny that of all the characters in star wars it could be, I was 100% sure and was excited for it to be bail organa

And this was me as a teenager

Oh yeah, Fulcrum also ran around in blockade runners

I shit you not, I was watching the rebels season 1 finale rubbing my hands together as they were about to reveal Fulcrum's identity going,"Oh yeah, It's Bail Organa time"

[wary needle]

When in actuality it was Morbin’ time

[echo sapphire]

the finale forgets baylan and shin exist until the very end

did huyang die off screen? i genuinely did not register that he did

me neither until just now

[fervent skiff]

I choose to not complain about it anymore and move on

i didnt like it and now will wait for the first high republic novel of phase 3 for my star wars addiction fix

💉

[echo sapphire]

good call, out of all the things to get upset about, another mid star wars show is definitely not something to waste your time on

i wasn’t disappointed as i didn’t really expect it to be good to begin with

i feel like if you’re expecting any disney+ star wars show to be good outside of andor at this point and you get disappointed when it isn’t good, it’s on you for expecting anything more than lazy writing

[fervent skiff]

like if you havent enjoyed the shows up until now, you're not gonna enjoy this one

and i didnt like mando s3 so i didnt expect to be blown away by this but i was a bit upset cause i felt like a show i liked was hiding, if they did things just a tad bit differently i woulda enjoyed it alot more. Just bothers me when I wanna enjoy something and cant i suppose, I dont like not liking things lmao

i think i may skip out on future mandoverse projects unless a director or something intrigues me

[echo sapphire]

i’ll say this, it is entirely the main characters’s fault thrawn got away, they knew they had to hurry and instead chose to fly their ship low to the ground at 5 miles per hour until thrawn sent out tie fighters to blow them up

[echo sapphire]

good call

[fervent skiff]

glad people are enjoying it though, looking forward to seeing peoples complete and deeper insights on the show once everyones had time to process their feelings and ppl start making video essays lool

i may not like TROS but i will listen to an hour long video essay from someone who loves it talking about why

[grave chasm]

Aslan's death was kinda a big deal tho

[fervent skiff]

if they have insightful things to say anyway 👀

[echo sapphire]

[fervent skiff]

who???

theres no star wars character with that name other than a high republic character and its spelled differently

[echo sapphire]

how’s it spelled?

[fervent skiff]

AHHHH its a narnia joke

[fervent skiff]

Azlin

[echo sapphire]

oh cool

not cute

[fervent skiff]

made me chuckle so i cant complain it was cute

leaned into the goofyness i appreciated that

[grave chasm]

I guess Ezra needed time to build his lightsaber? But besides that I'm not really seeing why the jedi shuttle was just floating over the Noti Caravan

But it's kinda silly that after they establish that he doesn't need a lightsaber that the episode starts with him building a lightsaber

[fervent skiff]

guys wait what if they do Baylan and Shin tales of the jedi episodes

i could see dave filoni making that

[echo sapphire]

literally my thoughts exactly

[grand thunder]

Just finished up not long ago. About what I expected would happen though thought for sure Ahsoka Sabine and Ezra would all make it back but man how ironic is it that now Ahsoka and Sabine stuck on Peridea while Ezra goes home 😭 I will say I'm a tad disappointed that we didn't really get any closure with the Baylan stuff but smth to do with Mortis gods I guess, hope they pay off that storyline well but either way Ray will definitely be missed

[wary needle]

“Ray who?”
“Stevenson.”

[crystal pebble]

Probably one of my new favorite lightsaber fights

[echo sapphire]

it was really good tbh

[crystal pebble]

Thrawn this whole episode as the plot armour became clear:
This good 🙂
This is acceptable 🙃
ARRGHH, FUCKING BLOW EVERYTHING UP 😡

[turbid drum]

Ezra is kind of silly, IIRC Filoni said in an interview that had he not been recruited by the rebellion and trained as a Jedi he would have ended up like Hondo Honaka.

[turbid drum]

I like that the conclusion from her being Anakin's apprentice was "OK, no negotiating with Mr Warcrimes' apprentice, also the only thing we can do with that plot armor is throwing anything at her hoping it slows her down enough for us to skedaddle"

[valid blaze]

I'm still placing my bets on bendu being involved some how. But I kinda like the theory that peridea the home of the mother.

I do think its kinda funny how much is directly connected to peridea, some being fairly recent to canon.
The zeffo
Nightsisters
Mortis gods
Purrgil
And the sith too the extent that there's sith writing on the nightsister temple

[solid pewter]

That was good, but I hope there's a season two to explain what Baylan was looking for on Peridia

As rough as the start of this show was, it improved for me overtime, not by a huge margin, but still I enjoyed it more than BOBF and Mando S3

I just hope some of the arcs that were started get resolved effectively

[hushed oak]

Just finished watching Episode 8.This episode was very good and very exciting.I am very satisfied with the storyline, plot, and subplots.I thought Tano, Wren, and Bridger managed to defeat and thwart Thrawn's plan but only killed Morgan Elsbeth.I'm sure that this will be continued into the next season because we don't know what the fate of Shin Hati will be.

[wary needle]

So I saw someone say Huyang died but wasn’t he in that final scene?

[solid pewter]

He didn't?

What

I don't think he did

[marble whale]

Somehow… Huyang returned

[valid blaze]

Huyang killed himself of scene after realising he can no longer bully sabine for not being able to use the force

[ashen pivot]

See? David Tennant confirmed it

[valid blaze]

I keep seeing people saying the face for the son statue looks like it was modeled after Sam witwer, and I really don't see it

Especially since the father still looks the same as he did in clone wars and rebels

[ashen pivot]

I didn’t look that close

[marble whale]

I like how the camera remained steady during the lightsaber fight between Ashoka and the Nightsister

It was also framed so you could see all the action which I appreciated, it wasn’t choppy

[crystal pebble]

I see it, especially since Filoni said The Son as an embodiment of the Dark, looks and sounds like multiple Dark Siders

It's why he sounded like Starkiller sometimes

[valid blaze]

he sounds like starkiller because Sam Witwer the voice actor . but they never shared a likeness and i still can't really see it on the statue

[crystal pebble]

Yes, ik that's the out of world reason, but Filoni gave this as his in-universe reason

And honestly, it's easier for him to play The Son in live-action, than a Sith apprentice twenty years younger than his actual age

[civic hatch]

oh yeah uh, idk i didn't like it

2/5 stars, stinky show

[ashen pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/and-thats-okay-fine-okay-no-problem-no-worries-gif-13227565

[solid pewter]

Circle not liking a Star Wars show is more reassuring than him liking one because otherwise I would think something is wrong with him

[civic hatch]

I still like Visions 😭

[solid pewter]

No you didn’t shut up

[civic hatch]

https://tenor.com/view/sushichaeng-tom-and-jerry-tom-jerry-going-home-gif-21272645

[rose vapor]

I want Luke and Leia to kick his fucking blue ass

[crystal pebble]

So, did Ahsoka see Anakin or not?
Her facial expressions gave no clear answer

[grand thunder]

I got the impression no but probably sensed him?

[wary needle]

Looking back, Ahsoka and Sabine ending up far far away really was telegraphed by the end of Rebels if we say Ahsoka is Gandalf and Sabine is Frodo (Huyang as Bilbo?) at the end of Return of the King

Peridea is their Gray Havens

[torpid stag]

[marble whale]

???

[valid blaze]

Wait, isn't that the starfield pronoun guy

[torpid stag]

sure is lmao

[ashen pivot]

HOLY SHIT IT IS

https://tenor.com/view/kekwtf-gif-18599263

[fervent skiff]

why is anyone still giving him attention

[valid blaze]

You know, I love how the decided ship name for sabine x shin, is wolfwren

[ashen pivot]

He funny screem

[fervent skiff]

lmfaoo

[valid blaze]

Also I'm pretty sure sabine actor been liking fan art of the ship

Honestly based

[main ledge]

https://x.com/camandfilm/status/1709557084067422711?s=46&t=nK2RzESKnrKCyg9YOGR8jQ

cam ✨ (@camandfilm)

no thrawn you shouldn’t have gone to dathomir yet you’re too low a level!

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Twitter · Oct 4, 2023, 1:12 PM

[plain iris]

There was a ton of stupid in this finale.
Like the TIE fighters just keep flying straight to the ship that's coming straight at them instead of dodging and conveniently at the perfect distance to get both taken out. The Eye wasn't docked as the cargo was being loaded for some reason. Thrawn doesn't immediately move the ship after the cargo is loaded for some reason. Fight up the tower ranges from ok to stupid (Ahsoka deflecting blasters by doing the same move over and over). Duel between Ahsoka and Morgan also varies a lot.
I could go on.
It's pretty frustrating that we've got to the end of the series and we still don't know anything about Ezra and Thrawn's time in the planet, it's like they've been gone for 6 months, and Baylan and Shin's motivations is still cryptic as fuck. Also anyone else find it weird that these stormtroopers are seemingly still alive for the most part (green eyes seem to indicate necromancy) and for some reason they are totally fine with dying like robins in a suicide mission instead of being desperate to go home. Btw only NOW do we actually get some conflict with Sabine and Ahsoka's training dynamic that can have some resemblance to Anakin and Ahsoka's relationship that was barely even implied earlier.
My overall thoughts on the series is that it's very half baked. Eps 1-5 could have been condensed and/or filled with much more character backstory to make the best out of the WbW scene (which still didn't make sense to take place in the WbW). The new locations being all the way in a new galaxy still feels totally unnecessary and unrealised. Only done to make it feel a lot more exotic than it is, it's the powerscalling problem but applied to worldbuilding.
There was some fun in the series. Some fun characters, locations, ships, but this needed 2 or 3 rewrites to work to the fullest.
I still kinda want a second season just to get answers and there might be fun there but why does this script feels so amateurish?

[crystal pebble]

The TIES flew over a hill, how tf they meant to see a ship in their way behind the hill?

[plain iris]

There was ample time for them to see the ship and dodge to the side. Also why go behind a hill? Why not just turn around for a second run? Why stay in perfect formation and not attack from multiple angles?

[solid nest]

Hahahahaha! Guarantee these guys, and the other chuds who have been complaining about the Ahsoka finale and claim they are done with Star Wars will be back once the next project releases

[crystal pebble]

Might wanna rebrand their channel then
Find it hard to believe someone so nerdy they'd name their YouTube channel after a Star Wars Rebel base will abandon said franchise

[torpid stag]

https://twitter.com/Croc_Block/status/1709620419245019446

Croc | 🦦 (@Croc_Block)

it's a shame our protagonists don't possess a weapon that can easily slice through their opponents like butter and efficiently immobilize these zombies

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Twitter · Oct 4, 2023, 5:24 PM

why are star wars watchers so annoying

calling them watchers and not fans

[crystal pebble]

Apparently physics shouldn't exist in a Star War

A lightsaber has never cleaved something like butter

[plain iris]

Literally A new hope

Also phantom menace

[grand thunder]

The best part is this person didn’t even watch the show but shits on it all the time cause they got nothing better to do

[plain iris]

https://tenor.com/view/darth-maul-obi-wan-kenobi-obi-wan-kills-darth-maul-darth-maul-episode1-phantom-of-menace-gif-13234594 like

[grand thunder]

One thing I won’t miss about this show is those annoying ass people that shit on you if you like any element of this show

If it’s not Andor then what’s the point amirite? Stfu

[torpid stag]

andor good

ahsoka bad cause it has cartoon character

:(

andor is adult and grown up and me can talk with coworkers about it and not be embarass

(even though i cant follow a single fucking nuanced scene in the entire show)

[grand thunder]

All these people claim they don’t care to watch Ahsoka but yet can’t shut the fuck up about it ever. Simply ignoring it is an option

[torpid stag]

for a lot of people hating star wars is how they enjoy star wars

its quite pathetic

[wary needle]

Says everything that they put “beep/bop/boop” next to their handle

[main ledge]

https://x.com/starwarsfan_327/status/1709687796468727836?s=46&t=nK2RzESKnrKCyg9YOGR8jQ

Star Wars Fan 327 (@StarWarsFan_327)

Love this unexpected #StarWarsRebels reference! #Ahsoka

Twitter · Oct 4, 2023, 9:51 PM

[crystal pebble]

That's flesh, it's never cleaved through armour, mainly because it has to conform to ratings standards and all

[plain iris]

https://tenor.com/view/light-saber-door-star-wars-gif-11063885

A literal blast door

[crystal pebble]

Star Wars is not dismemberment porn

[plain iris]

So? It's literally how the weapon works. If you need to hide it use heat marcs and quickly throw bodies of screen

There's been several dismemberments and even decaptations full on screen. If they have to hide that much it just means conforming to disney standards it just means those standards suck

[marble whale]

https://x.com/Ashdromeda1/status/1709604889377013894?s=20

Ashley Kruger (She/They) (@Ashdromeda1)

WHERE ARE ALL THE MEN?!?!?

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Twitter · Oct 4, 2023, 4:22 PM

[solid pewter]

See, to them there’s only one because he is white

[turbid drum]

It's not just Disney standards, even in epIII there was very little dismerbement action going on outisde the two main duels where Anakin was involved and droids.
The decapitation is reserved for the final part of the battle.
Also probably dismerbement in an action scene is a pain in the ass to shoot on a streaming series budget, either practical or CGI.

[plain iris]

Didn't clones got shit on a lot as well whem 66 hits? They really don't need to be this prune about it. The fanbase is used to some violence.
In relation to being hard to shoot. It probably is but I think it would have been worth it. Like what's scarier? A butch of storm troopers unstoppably going up a hallway? Or some also having missing limbs and crawling on the floor?
You can hide this by having the legless guys on the back and missing arms should be too hard to do. If you need a scene with a lot of cleaving you can have one from the PoV of the stormtroopers and the gang obscured as you see a few arms and helmets flying and troopers falling over.
It feels really unnecessary and arguably cowardly to be this afraid of showing a lightsaber in the way it's supposed to fuction.

[crystal pebble]

Idk man, just seems like you have some weird obsession with people losing limbs

[plain iris]

Geez why would I want weapon that's meant to cut through virtually anything to cut through virtually anything. It's like that's what the thing is meant to do.
Why are you so apprehensive about it?

[tepid shore]

When your girlfriend has never seen Rebels or Clone Wars:

[main ledge]

Lmao

Relatable

[tepid shore]

Trying to make her understand how hyperspace travel works now

She doesn’t understand why they just didn’t come back

[fervent skiff]

i've seen ALOT of people confused

most people just end up calling it dumb and stop watching :/

[wary needle]

Ngl I still don’t quite get it when people say Ray Stevenson as Baylan is one of the best performances in all of Star Wars apart from that line he says

[crystal pebble]

If lightsabers took off limbs all the time, then it would lose its impact
I'd rather dismemberment get saved for narrative purposes

[crystal pebble]

What line?

[wary needle]

About missing the idea of the Jedi order but not its truth and weakness

[crystal pebble]

People don't like that line?

[wary needle]

No I’m saying that’s the only thing I understand loving about the character

Everything else I don’t quite understand how it makes him one of the best acted characters

[crystal pebble]

Oh right
Yeah, he doesn't really do much
He's acted well, but hardly what I'd call a character

[fervent skiff]

agreed

i think ray does a fantastic job, doing a better job than most of the actors

but i'd hardly call his character deep

[crystal pebble]

The recast is going to cause online discourse
People will suddenly claim he's the best ever character and the new actor sucks

Filoni better recast him

He better not die offscreen or through limited footage like Leia

[wary needle]

If Liev Schreiber plays him it’d be Ray Donovan taking over from Ray Stevenson

I really do think they should recast. I hope the other recent stuff that set the precedent for the opposite don’t pressure them to not recast.

I think with Leia they made it work, but for T’Challa I would’ve liked for the character to continue

[fervent skiff]

RIP waffle my boy

or Pik

whichever one 😭

[grand thunder]

I am out of the loop, what is all this Waffle and Pik stuff?

[fervent skiff]

in the Thrawn books

Thrawns two deathtroopers he's seen with in rebels get names

Pik, and Waffle (they joke about it, hes a badass dude named waffle)

[grand thunder]

Oh ok

I'm behind with those

[fervent skiff]

and since deathtroopers are elite and are assigned as personal guards, those two zombie deathtroopers had to be pik and waffle

unless thrawn got 2 new troopers before ezra sent him here

and they were already zombies

which hurts me even more

meaning they fucking died before ahsoka and sabine and all them even got here

PIK AND WAFFLE NOOO

[crystal pebble]

Thrawn had a whole squad in Rebels though, didn't he?

He had like four or six in season 3

Then there were others stationed on Lothal

Ik the modulators encrypt and garble their speech and all, but it would've been nice to get some unique zombie garbling

[fervent skiff]

fr?

i havent rewatched rebels as much as i've read the books so

[marble whale]

https://x.com/ali_mart_co/status/1709701757188649079?s=20

Alison (@ali_mart_co)

Ahsoka finale spoiler and fix it moment - Because you CANT tell me Hera didn’t run to that boy and give him a massive hug when he returned from a whole different galaxy
#AhsokaFinale #Ahsoka #Ezra #HeraSyndulla #ChopperDroid

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Twitter · Oct 4, 2023, 10:47 PM

[wary needle]

The problem with Star Wars is there’s not enough hugs. Just a lot of wars.

[grand thunder]

Star Hugs

[plain iris]

You know you don't need to that to maim characters all the time, right? Because that's the only time where it have "narrative purpose". We're talking about fodder here, zombie fodder at that, it's one of the few opportunities you have to go a bit all out and have a big visual impact.

[plain iris]

Some of his deliveries are weird. That part where he's in the bind with Ahsoka comes to mind. But when they just let him speak he's pretty good.
Because he's so vague all the damn time he doesn't have much to convey and his lines don't hit as hard.

[hushed oak]

I just found out that Diana Lee Inosanto is Dan Inosanto's daughter.

[grand thunder]

https://youtu.be/ssb6PVs8PNY?si=3_U_FinQAnlB8PlZ

[torpid stag]

https://fxtwitter.com/TidyWire/status/1710016130826297644

overchoreographed fight, men:
overchoreographed fight, women:

[fervent skiff]

I think they both look bad

star wars fans argueing about which dumb space laser sword fight is better 😭

[plain iris]

Don't make this a gender issue. The fight starts out strong but it significantly slows down in the second half into awkward flailing. From a technical perspective the prequels are more impressive.

[marble whale]

https://fxtwitter.com/Kit_fist_flow/status/1710009293611626688?s=20

💀

[valid blaze]

okay but legit, there's like a 90% chance din in season 2 and this happens

[torpid stag]

but you can't refute that there are 110% people forgiving the prequel duels for being overchoerographed but suddenly take contention when the same is done with two women.

patterns dont repeat themselves by magical coincidence in this fandom.

as if by magic, my feed grants my point

[plain iris]

Nobody is talking about their gender. The op you've mentioned is not talking about their gender. You are talking about their gender. Depending on who you ask the prequels being overchoreographed is a bad thing and others who did like it are just commenting on how much faster it was. I mean Hayden showed in his scenes he can still much better than Rosario.

[torpid stag]

what about that guy

[plain iris]

How many likes does that have

[torpid stag]

idk i scrolled past

like 20

and?

[fervent skiff]

https://x.com/Jbandos/status/1710029023617667302?s=20

why is shit not embedding

[torpid stag]

if you're trying to deny the point that there is a large section of the fandom that takes contention with women then idk there's no conversation to be had here

cause it's literally just true

[plain iris]

1)That's pitiful.
2)What the fuck is his point other than "woke"

[torpid stag]

woke isn't even a point either

[fervent skiff]

wait im confused

'

[plain iris]

I'm not gonna deny it, they exist. But you're amplifying something that's not the issue

[fervent skiff]

what are you two argueing about

[torpid stag]

i made a silly joke about how people dont like fight choreography compared to the prequels because now there's women involved. Hyperbolic with an air of truth to it in the grander scheme of the fandom, but clearly a joke from how I wrote it.

[plain iris]

Tidy is saying people are scrutinising the Morgan duel in favour of the prequels because the people fighting are women

[torpid stag]

and some people certainly are

maybe not the OP in question

but i guarantee you there are

[fervent skiff]

well i mean... the darth maul vs qui-gon fight does just look better, but im sure there are sexist chuds yeah

but definantly not all or even close to the majority of people complaining about it are sexist

im a woman and i thought it looks like shit

lmfao

[plain iris]

Yes please go on a journey to find all the twitter idiots in their corner talking about specifically women on screen instead of the actual issue people are brigging up in your point

[fervent skiff]

like the vfx are fine and the cosumes are fine but its really slow and the directing has 0 energy to it

[torpid stag]

as a feminist I support your right to be wrong.

[plain iris]

Not disingenuous at all

[fervent skiff]

lmfaooo

[torpid stag]

its not that serious chief

it was a joke

[fervent skiff]

i think one of the issues is

[plain iris]

Judging by your reaction it's Schrodinger's joke

[fervent skiff]

correct me if im wrong, but i havent really seen her do her own stunts in anything prior to being ahsoka?

[torpid stag]

what reaction

[fervent skiff]

stunt doubles ARE okay to use guys

star wars just usually doesnt unless someone is old

[ashen pivot]

Did she do any stunts in the marvel stuff?

[fervent skiff]

shes in marvel???

who tf did she play

[marble whale]

Daredevil?

[ashen pivot]

Claire temple

[marble whale]

Who are we talking about

[fervent skiff]

FUCK

omg

[plain iris]

Your first instinct was to respond "oh but there is a chud complaining about women somewhere so my point has value
"

[fervent skiff]

literally just got reminded this the other day

[ashen pivot]

You noob

[fervent skiff]

i always forget

[marble whale]

Dawson was the nurse in Daredevil yeah

[torpid stag]

My first instinct was to tell a joke that you reacted to with the intention of forming an actual debate from it.

[fervent skiff]

she was in daredevil + i forget daredevil is part of the mcu (cause its good) so my brain doesnt automatically think of it

[ashen pivot]

She’s in most of the shows, not just DD

[marble whale]

Well Daredevil is one of the few worth noting

[fervent skiff]

in my head the netflix mcu stuff is seperate cause i havent watched any of the new mcu shit that ties them together

and i havent seen agents of shield lmao

[plain iris]

Why did your joke immediatly went to "this is a gender issue"?

[marble whale]

Jessica Drew Season 1 was good but I may be a little biased

[ashen pivot]

She’s definitely not in shield

[fervent skiff]

agreed blaze

im biased too

anyway did she do her own stunts?

[torpid stag]

because thats what the fandom talks about far too often so my joke was commentary based on the trends and tropes of what the fandom historically likes to lose it's collective shit over. It was hyperbole.

[marble whale]

She actually became a Nurse just for the role

[fervent skiff]

collective isnt really accurate though

[marble whale]

Went through 8 years of schooling

[fervent skiff]

its a vocal minority

[torpid stag]

fair

the vocal shit**

[fervent skiff]

alrighty cool

arguement resolved

fades into the night

[marble whale]

The end

[torpid stag]

idk what we were even arguing about

[fervent skiff]

termonolgy

i believe paulo meant you were implying most star wars fans were this way

[torpid stag]

ofc not lol

[marble whale]

Somehow this is gonna go back to Andor

[ashen pivot]

Somehow, andor has returned

[plain iris]

And are they talking about it in any meaningful way now?
I'm just taking an issue with this because you're complaining about people complaining over nothing by complaining over nothing. It's just toxic

[torpid stag]

it was a two line joke man

if you think this is me complaining you havent seen me complaining

this is me being silly

when i complain i am the most insufferable shitlord of all time trust me

[plain iris]

So this but worst. I can imagine

[torpid stag]

one party here is complaining and it's not me

im just vibing

https://fxtwitter.com/ChrisFenoglio/status/1709946553929011303

[marble whale]

That reminds me of an old sith legend

[torpid stag]

anyway this goes hard

[marble whale]

Darth Plagueis the wise

[marble whale]

https://tenor.com/view/the-kingpin-wilson-fisk-the-kingpin-wilson-fisk-marvel-comics-spider-man-gif-27081152

[ashen pivot]

It’s not always about the empire, Sabine

[rose vapor]

It's about the Mortis Gods baby! Let's go Mortis Gods great game tonight

[wary needle]

Jessica Drew?

[marble whale]

Yes exactly

Definitely not a typo

[crystal pebble]

Man, some things stood out in the finale to me on rewatch
Lar's voice is weirdly strained, like he's either sick or the Thrawn voice isn't easy on the throat

One Thrawn line is literally spliced

A Stormtrooper actor trips when walking down the stairs

[valid blaze]

Based

[fervent skiff]

i noticed when ahsoka is fighting she kicks a trooper and her foot doesnt touch him, and he is delayed before reacting to said kick

ik people will say "force kick" but like

comeon 😬

it was like a foot away

[crystal pebble]

Yeah, the whole zombie scene was poorly planned out

[fervent skiff]

it was also really poorly shot

this whole episode was imho

this show already had like, below average directing imo and this episode got it worse

the camera is just so static, reminds me of the prequels

REALLY starting to feel the limitations of the volume

[crystal pebble]

Okay, now you've gone too far 💀

[fervent skiff]

like it was already bad in kenobi and its just getting worse with each show

[fervent skiff]

idk man, its just how i feel

the score was pretty good

wish morgan hadnt died before we got to know anything about her 💀

wish we got to know anything about baylan or shin before the end of the first season too

aside from baylan wants to break the cycle

which is just so vague

[valid blaze]

All you need to know about shin is that she's gay and slays

[fervent skiff]

fair

[valid blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/shin-hati-fighting-stance-ivanna-sakhno-ahsoka-star-wars-gif-6810333461263848022

[fervent skiff]

but i wanna know her, why is baylan training her? why is she obsessed with power? it really only woulda taken like a 5 minute flashback of her being powerless to stop someone she cared about from dying only to have baylan save her and take her on or something

literally just anything

[crystal pebble]

I do wish they'd go back and re-edit certain eps of TBOBF, Mando S3, and Ahsoka

Like a lot of these issues could be fixed by cutting out a few seconds of a shot

[fervent skiff]

i have such a hard time caring about these characters despite the fact i think they are cool and hell and their actors are doing the best job in the entire show, because i DONT KNOW these characters at all

and i kept saying "man they're running time to give us answers" and everyone was like "dont worry they will, dont hate till its over" and then it was over and i was like "uhm?" and everyone was like "bruh they cant leave mystery for season 2??" like- its okay to leave some stuff open for another season but normally seasons wrap up most of their plot threads to deliver a satsfying end

this show is too short

these 6-8 episode mini-seasons are not doing it

this season feels unfinished

[barren wigeon]

Just finished it all. I liked it

Will we get “Ezra” next which is him going to rescue Ahsoka and Sabine only to get stranded there and they get home

I do wish this was just set up instead to be a rebels season 5 and they just finished this whole story with an animated show, kind of like Season 7 for CW

I feel like a lot of that desire though is cause I finished rebels right before watching Ahsoka

Loved the Ronin Samurai theme of it all

[valid blaze]

Honestly, I kinda get the vibe a lot of what would have been in a rebels season 5 (sabine training), will probably be in tales of the jedi s2

[barren wigeon]

Also, I loved the little prop space planes they had. They were so cute

[barren wigeon]

Don’t do that. Don’t give me hope

[fervent skiff]

honestly

[wary needle]

Oh don’t worry they’ll have EVERYTHING in those six episodes

[fervent skiff]

i think this entire show would have just been better if it was a 12 episode season of rebels like

[wary needle]

Gonna make Morbillion dollars

[barren wigeon]

I am sad that Sabine doesn’t get to be with Ezra in the end after all that

[valid blaze]

Fuck ezra, wolfwren forever

[fervent skiff]

if season 2 of tales of the jedi is about sabine and ezra im going to kill myself

[wary needle]

I want Tales of the Jedi to finally reveal the fate of Coleman Kcaj 😭

[barren wigeon]

It definitely needs some more episodes. First few could establish backstory for Sabine and Ahsoka better, and maybe also Baylan

[wary needle]

Aren’t those the episodes we should’ve gotten in season 1 tho 🤔

[fervent skiff]

it being animated would help with like all the production issues i have too

i just dont get why this show WASNT animated

[valid blaze]

I really assume it'll at least have 1 episode dedicated to sabine, then another for ahsoka and huyang

[fervent skiff]

cause now its limited to 8 episodes, looks worse, and now all the chuds are asking for live action clone wars and rebels which we DO NOT NEED

[barren wigeon]

Tales of the Jedi is really just more Ahsoka anyways so probably

[fervent skiff]

i hate that so much

we've seen enough ahsoka, please introduce new jedi

i beg you

or flesh out someone we dont know as well

[valid blaze]

I want them to maybe do some stuff during rebels though. Either a episode during season 3 with ezra, kanan and sabine. Or something early in ezra training

[barren wigeon]

I feel bad for the thirsty thrawn simps. He didn’t age well during his time after rebels. Man has the dad bod

[fervent skiff]

please just NO MORE AHSOKA

the fact she already took up half of season 1 was awful

[wary needle]

Thrawn looks fine

[barren wigeon]

Tales of the Jedi but the tales are of the ancient Jedi and then Ben Solo and Luke

[fervent skiff]

we didnt gain anything from those 3 ahsoka tales episodes at all

[fervent skiff]

LITERALLY

give me a high republic story

and then a sequel trilogy story

i just want VERIETY ffs

[wary needle]

We got Young Jedi Adventures

[fervent skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/american-psycho-card-shake-ii_ch2-gif-25887089

[barren wigeon]

Honestly I didn’t like his looks that much. It’s great they kept the same actor, and he definitely nailed everything about it.. but he looked off to me. More so than Cad Bane or the Grand Inquisitor to me

[wary needle]

Cad Bane looked fine too

Grand Inquisitor and Fifth Brother I get

[valid blaze]

I mean, I liked the baby ahsoka episode, and the ahsoka training one. But I could have done without the shittier version of the ahsoka novel. And baby ahsoka could have been released on like YouTube or something, it didn't need to be apart of this

[wary needle]

Ahsoka training one was backstory we didn’t need for how she survives against the clones

[barren wigeon]

I agree on cad bane, I just know a lot of people had issues. I wasn’t bothered by him

[wary needle]

Only the baby one I liked

[fervent skiff]

grand inquisitor is actually indefensible imho. Like i can get cad bane cause you can just say hes got a small head for his species or something, but the grand inquistor doesnt even have the correct teeth for his species

its actually offensively awful

hes just a guy in makeup

man looks like a human with weird scars and tatoos

[wary needle]

After seeing how Green Goblin could have and SHOULD have looked in Spider-Man 2002, I’ll take how we got Cad Bane and Thrawn

[barren wigeon]

Ezra though, he was perfect

[wary needle]

Yee

I’m glad we went through this year having at least one good Ezra

[fervent skiff]

yeah i thought ezra casting was on point for sure

[barren wigeon]

I do hope they slow down a bit on the live action shows stuff and maybe focus some on expanding stuff outside of that. Give us more animated stuff

[torpid stag]

i would like another animated show

[valid blaze]

Lucasfilm should hire me to write a show

[torpid stag]

-every star wars fan

[valid blaze]

I'll make the gayest shit ever seen in star wars

(It will be an animated aphra show)

[torpid stag]

based

[echo sapphire]

the zombies turn back into regular stormtroopers for some reason

[torpid stag]

what

did you miss the giant fucking zombie mouth

[barren wigeon]

Oh also, random. Who was the dick senator?

[barren wigeon]

So.. Star Wars?

[valid blaze]

Kaz father

[torpid stag]

Kazuda's dad

[wary needle]

Senator Xiono?

[torpid stag]

the guy from resistance

[wary needle]

The guy we all wanted to die

[barren wigeon]

Ah ok. I remember seeing somewhere that it was another sequel connection just didn’t know what

[wary needle]

Kaz became wholesome despite having a dickish dad

[echo sapphire]

they cut down the doors and start running like regular stormtroopers with their guns

i’m not talking about the death troopers

[barren wigeon]

Is resistance worth watching? Will I need it to understand Ahsoka Season 2, Mando Season 4, the filoni movie, and Visions Season 3?

[wary needle]

It’s worth watching for the comedy

[torpid stag]

well they were shooting their blasters the moment they got up

[wary needle]

If you’re expecting great plot, you need to change expectations

[torpid stag]

you definitely dont need to watch it to understand whats going on currently; but it's underrated imo

it's alright

i like the animation style

[barren wigeon]

Yeah that last part was mostly a joke

[echo sapphire]

they start running in formation, they were established to have been moving weirdly as zombies

[torpid stag]

"formation" is a stretch

they were running sure

[valid blaze]

Also the death troopers were capable of intentionally ripping sabine helmet of, so like they're clearly not just mindless fucks

[torpid stag]

the nightsister zombies were completely sentient no?

they were talking and shit

[echo sapphire]

they were using two hands to hold their rifles, and they stopped making zombie sounds for some reason

[torpid stag]

they were using two hands at the start too

some were using one

some using two

[echo sapphire]

then why did they suddenly stop making zombie sounds?

[torpid stag]

they didn't. we saw the deathtrooper's mask rip off

it was zombie growling

[hoary tiger]

I wish I had the energy you guys have arguing about Star Wars for other things

[torpid stag]

i just went back and watched the scene.
if you're talking about the literal 5 second interlude of them dashing up the stairs to chase ahsoka then idk what to say

sure

they weren't growling i guess

[echo sapphire]

weird

[torpid stag]

is what it is

only in this fandom would someone pick up on that and it become a conversational point lol

not knocking you, it's just interesting

[echo sapphire]

not gonna remember this in t-minus 1 day anyways, so it doesn’t really matter

[echo sapphire]

i was pointing it out, not arguing with you

[torpid stag]

hadn't even given it any thought until now

lol

and i too will forget about it within the next 20 seconds

[barren wigeon]

You guys now have to legally fight to the death over this

[valid blaze]

I guess the only wield part would be them standing still while Morgan fought ahsoka. But like they're also being controlled with magic and aren't fully mindless

[torpid stag]

well yeah they're reanimated to serve

not to be zombies

[barren wigeon]

Is it possible they weren’t the zombies?

But just more stormtroopers?

[torpid stag]

well actually yeah

cause there was that fuckin uh

side passageway

where a bunch of other troopers came out

the one where that one trooper grabbed ezra

[valid blaze]

Nah, when they run up the stairs you can see some of them don't have weapons. But I do assume some living ones got mixed in on the way up

[torpid stag]

so assumedly there could have been just non-dead troopers amongst those

[barren wigeon]

Random, and I know I’m very late because I was very late watching the show, but I love the way the armor all look old and falling apart and are being held together by the red bandages

[torpid stag]

yeah they're really cool

love the designs

Sabine blowing up the mask of the deathtrooper to reveal the zombie mouth was so cool and gross

[barren wigeon]

All the like armor designs and stuff were cool

And I feel I’m in the minority but I liked the fight choreography

[torpid stag]

the fight choreography was a standout good part of the episode to me, so I feel like a lot of this apparent hatred for it is artificial

[valid blaze]

I do actually wonder though if thrawn actually going to have a undead nightsister army, or if the cargo was actual living nightsisters in stasis. Because ezra wording on thrawn waking the great mothers up is very specific

[torpid stag]

the duelling was really fuckin good

the zombie chase bit might have had a few weird bits? if you really have to nitpick

but the duel between ahsoka and morgan was great

[torpid stag]

interesting thought

[barren wigeon]

Like, yeah it’s not as good as the movies, it was never going to be, it’s a lower budget (compared to the movies) tv show. But I think it worked well for what they were going for with it, and what their very obvious inspiration was

[torpid stag]

[torpid stag]

I'd honestly call their duel the best one we've had in the shows.

i found it more engaging that obi vs vader

[barren wigeon]

I’d put it up there. I really liked both Kenobi vs Vader fights. They are very different kind of duels both going for different tones (Ahsoka and Kenobi finale that is)

[valid blaze]

My favourite part is ahsoka doing basically the same reflection animation from the dual stance in jedi survivor when she was backing out of the room with night troopers

[marble whale]

What Filoni needs to work on is giving his live action shows more flavor or personality

[barren wigeon]

Even the ones before that though I thought we’re done well

[marble whale]

Right now it’s blander than a British piece of chicken

[barren wigeon]

Making out with the night troopers 😳

[torpid stag]

https://tenor.com/view/boba-fett-book-of-boba-fett-like-a-bantha-bantha-dance-gif-24389695

damn right

[marble whale]

Acceptable but not a lot of personality

[torpid stag]

BOBF wins once again

[barren wigeon]

This, but more specifically the visuals. And not so much like general effects, but I’d say color grading and set designs. Some stuff looks great and others kind of eh. There’s a very desaturated look after they make it to the thrawn and compared to the colors of rebels and clone wars it’s just kind of dull

[torpid stag]

did someone say they need colour?

https://tenor.com/view/speeder-the-book-of-boba-fett-boba-fett-gif-24489363

[valid blaze]

But honestly the show has a lot of nice little details. Mostly with sabine. Like the fact her nail paint was chipped slightly early on or all the times she's blocked attack with besker

[barren wigeon]

God I love those bikes

[marble whale]

The actors for Ezra and Sabine were trying their hardest to bring more of the classic Rebels flare to the show

[wary needle]

I didn’t feel that with Sabine tbh

[barren wigeon]

Ezra’s did a lot better. I think he nailed it the best

[torpid stag]

i like that when they're blocking the nighttrooper blasters, Ahsoka and Ezra are deflecting them back at the troopers but Sabine isn't good enough yet so her shots just land in the ground.

[marble whale]

There is a severe lack of Zeb in this dynamic

[barren wigeon]

Sabine’s was ok, but her character had a lot of off screen development that obviously affected her a lot but was hard to fully get until later

[wary needle]

Severe lack of AP-5 😭

[valid blaze]

She also takes a shot to the head

[torpid stag]

yeah i liked that lol

love that it was acted out too

not just a CG thing

[barren wigeon]

Get rid of Huyang and replace him with AP5

Nah they actually shot her

[torpid stag]

tbh i thought that was something that worked in the show's favour. Seeing the somewhat depressive/rebellious rut she's stuck in opened up interpretations for what happened to her after Ezra left in rebels.

the explanation we got was too late imo

[valid blaze]

Also early in the episode when sabine says she trys to keep up with her training, then immediately switched too "I do"
It tells you ahsoka given her that "there is no try" line so many times

[torpid stag]

but

it worked

i didnt dislike any character in this series

well except Kaz' dad

but im meant to

[marble whale]

Why do they keep mentioning this goofy aah Skywalker guy who even is he bruh 😭

[torpid stag]

luke is busy building mudhuts with r2

[barren wigeon]

I felt that worked well at the start when it was clear she wasn’t over losing Ezra and she was depressed over that, but the stuff between her and Ahsoka was weird, especially cause they didn’t really interact much in rebels (compared to Kanan and Ezra)

[torpid stag]

i can see that

yeah it was weird but it worked for me somehow

it more intruiged me than confused me

feels like there's a chapter there we'll get elsewhere

maybe a novel

[marble whale]

Waiting for the inevitable Baylan novel

[barren wigeon]

I was kind of both. I feel like if we do get like that missing piece for her story, I’d like it more later

[torpid stag]

thats typically how things go with the series now lol

write it now explain it later

[barren wigeon]

Baylan Star Wars game where you run around as Ronin Jedi uncovering the ancient secrets

[valid blaze]

They actually didn't interact at all. They shared scenes together. But the first and last time they even remotely interacted was early in season 1 when sabine wanted to know who fulcrum was

[torpid stag]

um actchtually

they interacted in forces of destiny once i think

🤓

[barren wigeon]

Fuck I didn’t watch that one. Now I gotta watch it all again to fully understand everything

[torpid stag]

its not worth it lol

[barren wigeon]

I still need to watch Tales.. might do that next

[marble whale]

Huyang probably stole Ahsoka’s Staff

[barren wigeon]

Also have to finish visions

[torpid stag]

tales is good

but needed less ahsoka

[marble whale]

I just wish we knew more about this Ahsoka character

[torpid stag]

the non-ahsoka episodes in Tales are peak star wars

the ahsoka episodes are mostly just okay

[valid blaze]

You might be thinking of jyn

[marble whale]

Like her childhood, her years being a padawan, her battles during the clone wars

Where is it Filoni

[torpid stag]

maybe lol. it's been forever

[marble whale]

We need every single detail of Ahsoka’s life

[valid blaze]

I'm pretty sure there was like 1 rebels ahsoka episode in that. And it was her training ezra

[torpid stag]

though regardless ahsoka does have strong ties to mandalorians given her history. So I could easily see her navigating around sabine's demeanor when they get talking.

[barren wigeon]

Can someone fill me in on that gold droid thing at the trial that so rudely butted into the conversation like he had some kind of authority?

[marble whale]

Can’t wait for Ahsoka to attain the secret of immortality

Endless Ahsoka stories

[torpid stag]

ALSO...
mustn't forget the literal final scene of rebels where ahsoka and sabine are clearly involved in something together.

[torpid stag]

i think his name was triple0

[barren wigeon]

Also I love choppers little head peaking out. Someone get him a high chair… actually on second thought don’t. That puts the dick senator within shooting range for chopper

[torpid stag]

"Bruh this is my lawyer im so fucked"

[valid blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/worried-scared-oh-no-stop-it-fearful-gif-12534009

[barren wigeon]

Nah you’re not fucked.. the judge and jury are.. you’re only fucked after when they arrest you for burning the entire court house

[valid blaze]

Bro xiono would have been turned to mush if triple zero walked in

[torpid stag]

triple0 should show up

somewhere

[marble whale]

Owen Wilson should be in this show bruh

0/10

[valid blaze]

I've been begging for an aphra cameo in one of these shows for years. Especially since Kyrgyzstan showed up in bobf

[marble whale]

I think you forgot everything in StarWars is canon except for the books

The books are cool concepts they can just write over when they please

[barren wigeon]

Can we get Mr Bones?

[valid blaze]

This is why lucasfilm need to hire me to write a aphra show

I will simply adapt the comics page for page

[marble whale]

Remember that Ahsoka book that’s story got completely shitcanned

[torpid stag]

pleaseee

[barren wigeon]

Also I caved

[ashen pivot]

Is this your first chopper?

[barren wigeon]

Yes

[ashen pivot]

Awesome

[barren wigeon]

But not my first rebels figure but first for black series I have a Kanan that came with a phantom ship toy

And also a vintage grand inquisitor but it’s the kenobi one

I kind of also want to pick up Cal

[grave chasm]

I mean, Filoni's not perfect, but let's not pretend that overwriting the books started with him. Rise of Skywalker didn't seem interested in Poe's backstory as a New republic officer

[ashen pivot]

I asked because I’m like 90% sure he’s identical to the last Chopper, so getting another one would be a huge waste

[grave chasm]

Actually he was a drug smuggler, honest

[marble whale]

Hey remember when Poe’s backstory wasn’t a racist stereotype

[grave chasm]

rip

They did him so dirty

[viscid sage]

finally this chat will be put out of its misery

decent ep

decent show

if baylan ends up being deepfaked im bombing skywalker ranch

[wary needle]

It’s always Skywalker Ranch and never Skywalker Mustard

[viscid sage]

once again dave filoni is paid to be a nerd

[wary needle]

Yeah was pretty obvious

Do we even like Filoni? I’ve lost track.

[marble whale]

He’s no StarWars saving God some would make him out to be and other creators definitely deserve to be behind projects but he can be pretty decent at times

His work with StarWars animation will always be noteworthy

Filoni’s work with live action still leaves a bit to be desired at times but maybe he will get better at it has time passes and he gets more familiar

[wise maple]

I'm on a budget so I got the cheaper Classic series one that's coming out next year. Also the Revan and HK-47 two pack

[viscid sage]

i dont think theres a unanimous consensus here lol

i guess most of us probably like him

i think hes fun

[viscid sage]

https://spotify.link/d0jTvkVrFDb

[turbid drum]

The grifters used to like him because the woke stuff he did was before Disney until he started making woke stuff under Disney.

Regarding us? We're 50/50 I'd say.

[tired vector]

Dave seems like a cool guy with interesting ideas but he doesn't always know how to best execute said ideas

Kind of like George Lucas

[wary needle]

Do we even like George Lucas? I’ve lost track.

[viscid sage]

wdym “we”

what do u think of them

who cares what others say

[tepid shore]

I’d personally fuck George Lucas

[marble whale]

Please invite me to your baby shower afterwards

[fervent skiff]

i've fucking been saying it for years

Dave is George 2.0, has his strengths and weaknesses

hes an amazing visionary and great at spiritual storytelling, but he sucks at directing (in live action anyway) and cannot write dialogue to save his life

he needs people there to challenge him

the reason ahsoka was the way it was is cause just like with GL with the prequels, he's surrounded by yes men who let him do whatever he wants cause hes the guy who made their favorite childhood show TCW

TCW was at its best when it was on the verge of cancellation and they had to try cool new shit to keep viewers engaged

history repeats itself

The OT was good cause it had a challenging production, same with TCW

it should not be EASY to tell a good story about space wizards

which is why this mandoverse shit trying to mcufy the franchise and make it so you gotta watch 4 disney plus series and 11 season of animation to understand what the fuck is happening isnt gonna work

not being accessible to casuals is actually a bad thing, in my opinion.

the more they cater to the smallest part of the audience, the more casuals will tune out, the lower the budget will get, and the worse the problems the show has will get

Ahsoka REALLY should have just been rebels season 5

tying into the mandalorian and stuff just alienates so much of the auidence

[torpid stag]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F7roqN4bgAABi7r?format=jpg&name=large

ratio

[torpid stag]

and this would be a valid point if the polar opposite wasn't happening lmao. Ahsoka has the biggest budget of all the shows thus far.

cause i agree they need more widespread appeal shows that dont necessitate being neck deep in the franchise. But once again they made it evident from the start that this specific project is leading upto a specific endpoint. So continuing to criticise it for doing what it promised is just weird to me.

I understand not liking it, cause hell i get the same frustration navigating the MCU

but thats just what they're doing

And they're still making a selection of shows that dont tie into this mandoverse stuff (as much as I hate that name)

Andor comes to mind ofc

visions

Acolyte almost definitely wont

[barren wigeon]

This could just be attributed to chopper being an even older droid model now (in universe) but I feel he works much better in animation than live action. He felt so alive and distinct in rebels and the here the only real motion to him was his head moving around, which was cool

[torpid stag]

https://tenor.com/view/ahsoka-chopper-flex-gif-4931763412708336166

did we watch the same show

they made him a CG model specifically to keep him animated

[barren wigeon]

I’m more referring to like any other scene when he’s just moving on the ground, like at the end when Ezra returns

Obvious there he was done perfectly

I wanna see him zoom around on one wheel

[torpid stag]

well he didnt really have a substantial role in this show lol

if he did we probably would have seen that

[barren wigeon]

Yeah

That’s the problem

The show should’ve been Chopper

[turbid drum]

That would have become R-rated for violence really fast.

And also obscenities hurled through a distorted vocabulator.

Lucasfilm wants to keep things PG-13.

[barren wigeon]

Star Wars “Fans”: give us R Rated Vader movie

True Star Wars Fans: give us R Rated Chopper Movie

[marble epoch]

I wonder where Ezra got the kyber for his lightsaber

[wary needle]

Chopper is the most like his animated counterpart

[fervent skiff]

A big budget increases the problem, again we dont know how this show is performing 100% cause disney+ keeps numbers tight-nit, but the fact the 2 things i see are mega-fans talking about loving it and casuals getting confused and leaving... The big budget actually makes this situation WORSE if im correct about it alienating audiences cause it wont be able to make back said budget.

[fervent skiff]

and I will never understand this arguement

just cause something "set out and did what it meant to do" doesnt make said thing good

just cause The Room was made exactly how Tommy wanted it doesnt make it a good film

just cause it intended to start at a specific start and end point doesnt make those two things a good idea, hence why people debate art in the first place

if something was good because it was made the way the directer wanted, 95% of art would be immune to critism

just cause batman v superman set up justice league and had a planned start and end point to do more films doesnt make batman v superman good imo lmao

if your measure of weather a thing is good or not is "Did the artist achieve what they set out to make?" then thats totally fair, more power to ya

but using it as an arguement to convince other people something is a good thing doesnt make any sense to me

[fervent skiff]

also I may not like ahsoka but at least im not these chuds

Ahsoka is so easy to critisize and these people choose the dumbest shit to go after 😭

[ashen pivot]

Neither of these people should be allowed to spawn

[fervent skiff]

lmaoo

[torpid stag]

i wasnt doing this

in fact i said it's perfectly valid not to like this approach to storytelling

but to continuously use it as a criticism long long LONG into the several series we've already had

it's like critiquing a polar bear for being too pale

its just what it is

like i feel the same way about MCU films

like take guardians 3 for example

i love that movie a lot despite largely not caring for the MCU or the interconnectivity of it all

i found the elevator scene where peter explains the events of infinity war and endgame super grating

but i realized it was basically necessary for the movie to make any sense

i wouldn't use that as a critique against the movie despite not liking it because it's just the unfortunate nature of what the thing is

[fervent skiff]

Well yeah but thats 1 scene that explains something if the audience skipped out on those, whilst ahsokas entire plot rests on you understanding what came before

but i get what you're saying as not using it as a critique

[torpid stag]

tbh if ahsoka had a scene like that explaining the entirety of rebels i'd probably comment on how stupid that was lmao.

[fervent skiff]

fair lmaoo

[torpid stag]

im not tellin you not to critique ofc not

but like idk

[fervent skiff]

but i also think the scene in gaurdians was
A. Concise and explained it well for people who didnt see it without overloading them
B. Funny

[torpid stag]

i prefer to critique something for what it is rather than what it isnt

[fervent skiff]

so there is a way to do exposition well

And i think there was probably a way to make ppl care about the characters in this show without having to watch 2 season of TV before it

cause my Dad, likes thrawn

he read hier to the empire back in 1992

and he isnt watching Ahsoka because he doesnt get it due to the barrier of entry

and i think he'd LIKE ahsoka

and again, being niche would be fine imho

[torpid stag]

my mother in law is the exact opposite. She didn't know the characters but liked them enough and now she's gone back to watch through rebels lmao

[fervent skiff]

if this didnt come at the sacrifice of mandalorian and its larger plot

[fervent skiff]

she's an example of the intended reaction

[torpid stag]

and the intended reaction does clearly happen

but im sure the opposite reaction also happens

[fervent skiff]

but most casual fans dont have time to go back and catch up on animated shows, especiually if they are older and have that animation bias like my father does

[torpid stag]

we can't really dictate from this point whether it was more successful than it was a failure

there is no way to tally that

[fervent skiff]

yeah we gotta wait for disney to release fudged streaming numbers

[torpid stag]

it's just assumptions otherwise

[fervent skiff]

isnt it crazy how theres almost no laws making streaming services have to be honest about there numbers

like netflix doesnt even publish theirs like Disney does

[torpid stag]

im p confident we'll see an influx of rebels viewership prior and after ahsoka myself but i cant be sure

[fervent skiff]

and Disney just posts a range, not exact figures so it could be fucked

[fervent skiff]

im sure we will

but again i dont think its healthy for the franchise to make it REQUIRED viewing to understand the big tie-in live action series thats building to a movie

[torpid stag]

well if it's building to a movie..

[fervent skiff]

cause not only are you gonna need to watch Mandalorian, Boba Fett, Ahsoka, Skeleton Crew, and whatever else in order to watch a movie

[torpid stag]

[fervent skiff]

but also 2 seasons of animation

maybe 3 depending if thrawn does mount tantiss stuff from the bad batch

[torpid stag]

doesnt D+ have like an essential playlist for both series now

[fervent skiff]

its really bad that its building to a MOVIE

yes

[marble whale]

https://tenor.com/view/trocke-yoda-blink-stuid-starwars-gif-13648723

[fervent skiff]

have you not seen all the people complaining about the MCU, how you need to watch shows to understand the movies?

[torpid stag]

everything is performing well and fans on the whole seem happy.

same with MCU

for as much as I dont like it

[fervent skiff]

We dont know if its performing well lmfao

i mean review wise it is

[marble whale]

Mandoverse Phase 5 is gonna be bonkers

[torpid stag]

chuds are bitching and complaining about it so it's doing well

[fervent skiff]

because again, ONLY THE MEGA FANS are watching and reviewing

so of course it would be skewed into positive reviews

[torpid stag]

if im seeing people bitching about the woke agenda its clearly making enough traction in the algorithms for chuds to make shitty content about it.

they're actually doing us a service in their own right

[fervent skiff]

what

[torpid stag]

the things that dont make chuds clicks dont get videos made of them

[fervent skiff]

they complain about literally everything disney makes

why would them complaining about ahsoka = it being successful

[fervent skiff]

I saw 10 videos talking about how The Acoltye is "woke", that doesnt mean the leaked acolyte trailer is doing amazing and that casual fans are into it

[torpid stag]

remember high republic? Remember when it launched and suddenly every one of these channels was talking about it being woke garbage?
And notice how none of them are doing that anymore and high republic sadly is on the backburner of the public eye? It's not a coincidence

[fervent skiff]

Those are novels lmao

[torpid stag]

if high republic was doing better, which it should be, they'd be talking more shit about it

[fervent skiff]

apples and oranges

[torpid stag]

popularity though

[fervent skiff]

you also dont see them talking about the big high selling novels being woke lmao

[marble whale]

Maybe it’s a blessing in disguise

[fervent skiff]

novels will always be less popular???

AGAIN

apples oranges

not a fair comparison at all

[torpid stag]

no

not what im saying

yknow what im too tired to get into this

busy day

[fervent skiff]

even the chuds complained about Andor and thats the lowest performing one

my point is they will complain about everything

so them complaining about a female lead show (which will whip them into even more of a frenzie) doesnt prove the show is doing well lmaoo

[torpid stag]

https://fxtwitter.com/cbd__c0rndog/status/1709789482680222103

[fervent skiff]

i saw that

[torpid stag]

this man is acting

[marble whale]

Don’t mess with us StarWars fans we don’t even like StarWars

[fervent skiff]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-general-hux-hes-insane-hes-crazy-he-is-insane-gif-22502946

[torpid stag]

like its so obvious he's acting now lmfao

[fervent skiff]

yeah man wants clips

[torpid stag]

mfw maul's corpse is on tatooine but he'd never know this

he doesnt actually watch star wars

[fervent skiff]

literally

he has to be acting

there no way you couldnt tell zombie troopers were coming

it was so obvious

he asks for the nighsisters help and then looks a group of troopers like "You ready to make the ulimate sacrifice?" like its clearly building twords them sacrificing themselves and that having to do with the magic

[torpid stag]

"its maul" 🤓

[fervent skiff]

but this actual lobotomized individual is like "MAUL?! OMG MAUL?!" and gets mad when its not

[main ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/marc-spector-shut-up-kick-glass-mirror-gif-25320810

[torpid stag]

me when i get my expectations up so that my fans get their expectations up so we all get disappointed at once and then i can complain more about how disney isn't giving fans what they want.

and then i'll complain when they make kenobi which is literally everything we ever asked for but it's bad cause they ruined it with a black woman antagonist.

[fervent skiff]

give a mouse a cookie and all that

[torpid stag]

mf sent his helmet to the backrooms

it just vanishes lmao

[fervent skiff]

nah it goes flying off

brasso is just a big boi so you dont see it for long

https://x.com/ATGcast/status/1710283919277342806?s=20

jesse, what the fuck are you talking about

[torpid stag]

honestly kinda heat if true

[fervent skiff]

what??

whats neat

[torpid stag]

what? i like ben

[fervent skiff]

what does this even mean

like does that mean the son is ben? what is this post even implying besides point at something like

[torpid stag]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F7xYgUlbgAA6tpS?format=jpg&name=large

[fervent skiff]

literally lmaoo

same energy

[torpid stag]

but nah idk what kinda theory he's actually going for. I just really want more Ben solo content

[fervent skiff]

lmfaoo fair

just make an animated show that takes place between TLJ and TROS

i know resisitance takes place over TFA and TLJ and beyond

[torpid stag]

the sequels needs it's own TCW and resistance aint it

[fervent skiff]

but make a show TCW style

[torpid stag]

you could do for the sequels what TCW did for the prequels and completely recontextualize so much to make the core movies more palettable for people

[valid blaze]

Wouldn't ben be like 2, around this time

[fervent skiff]

agreed completely

[fervent skiff]

he'd be 4 assuming ahsoka takes place same year as s1 of mando

(unclear when it does)

[valid blaze]

Ahsoka takes place during season 3

[fervent skiff]

its implied years have past since mando s1 but they have yet to confirm any solid timeline for this stuff

[fervent skiff]

yeah but they have never said how far after season 1 season 3 is

no canon timeline placement yet

probably waiting till its all done so they can decide where it would fit best

Jon favrau said 2 years past one time but then later corrected and said he meant in real life so we still have no idea how much time has passed since the start of season 1 in 9 ABY

[torpid stag]

https://fxtwitter.com/blurayangel/status/1709660630373032444

[fervent skiff]

my assumtion would be that 2 years have passed, making mando s3 and ahsoka take place in 11 ABY

which means Ben would be 6 ish

he was born 1 year after ROTJ (4 ABY) on the day the empire fell

i cant wait for a reference book to come out in 4 years that gives me the lore answer (i have mental issues and need everything to fit in a timeline)

[torpid stag]

man i wish the colour grading looked this good in the actual show ngl

there ya go, tidy has a complaint with ahsoka.

[fervent skiff]

literally honestly

like all my plot issues are MOSTLY personal

but the production quality is easily the thing i've got the biggest issue with

[torpid stag]

i think some scenes in ahsoka look really good but a lot of it is quite dry

[fervent skiff]

the fact its the highest budget star wars show and it looks the way it does is 😬

not to go back to the Andor well again but its amazing how good practicle sets with minimal VFX can do

[torpid stag]

i liked the stuff on Lothal

Lothal looked nice to me

[fervent skiff]

Lothal stuff looked neat

most of the space battles looked good

its just with scenes with actors

[torpid stag]

yeah they did

[fervent skiff]

the vfx faulters

[torpid stag]

i liked a lot of the setpieces too

just needed more colour

[fervent skiff]

yeah the costume design is top notch aswell

its really a directing thing

[torpid stag]

ahsoka in the white garb might actually be my favourite look for her

[fervent skiff]

and also an overreliance on the volume but thats been talked about to death

[torpid stag]

see maybe im just monkeybrain but i cant even tell when they use the volume

lol

[fervent skiff]

the Volume looked so good in mando s1 cause
A. The script was written to work around the limited visual style
B. Jon helped develop the volume and is INSANELY familiar with how to use it

[fervent skiff]

yeah maybe im just keen to notice it

but you can REALLY tell that they are just in a circle room with a fake background alot of the time

[torpid stag]

i legit have no idea when it's happening. Like i hear people say "Oh gross they're using volume" and im like

[fervent skiff]

its like

[torpid stag]

???

[fervent skiff]

it kinda looks like a high res musical stage if that makes sense

i dont have any good screenshots of this scene where it does look bad (literally just googled the scene, i'd have to go on a pirate website to screenshot exactly what i want cause disney+ sucks) but in this scene you can tell the real floor ends about a foot before the edge and its an LED screen

its mostly a lighting thing, if they had done less of an overcast lighting, like if the sun was shining and reflecting below it would have looked better

the volume is really good for high-lighting or low-lighting shots

not this

[torpid stag]

hm okay i can maybe kinda see it with this thrawn shot

sure

lighting is inconsistent between him and the bg

[fervent skiff]

like that scene in The Batman with catwoman and him on the roof

amazing use of the volume

cause its almost always at night or sunset

https://tenor.com/view/the-batman-catwoman-kiss-robert-pattinson-zoe-kravitz-gif-25432558

[torpid stag]

Luke vs Kylo on crait obviously used it and that looked phenomenal to me

[fervent skiff]

what

no the volume wasnt even created yet

[torpid stag]

wait wat

[fervent skiff]

that was probably on greenscreen

[torpid stag]

someone lied to me

lol

[fervent skiff]

or just filmed in the saltflat

lmfao

[fervent skiff]

the volume was released in 2019 with the Mandalorian

mando was the first project it was ever used on

[torpid stag]

i figured cause the lighting was so bright in a big open space they'd have to have used it

my b

someone lied to me

[fervent skiff]

nah its okay

i think crait was almost entirely filmed in an actual saltflat during the day so

most of the lighting is real

or on sets

[torpid stag]

[torpid stag]

ahh neato

[fervent skiff]

TLJ is the best looking Star Wars movie aswell 👀

[torpid stag]

it is

[fervent skiff]

good soup

but yeah

i think the volume is an amazing tool

but filming 90% of the show in it is gonna hurt