cant** read
#Ahsoka
torpid stag
ashen pivot
Or at least show more non force users with sabers
viscid sage
besides influences
viscid sage
i think ur mixing it up
viscid sage
frankly i wanna see more force users using it in new ways we havent seen
chirrut was a good step
ashen pivot
Give me Jedi element benders
mental osprey
The only Jedi that should have been in Mando is Luke
viscid sage
i like the force manifesting itself uniquely in individuals
viscid sage
force psychometry w cal kestis & quinlan vos(until ahsoka did it the other week so ig everyone can do that now lol), ezra’s affinity w other beings, etc
mental osprey
https://youtu.be/YPvEJjNNPp4?si=fb15RQHZFKnajpn2
God I love this video
torpid stag
imagine if in the mando season 2 finale, upto that point we hadn't seen a single lightsaber, and then luke shows up with his doing all the crazy shit he was doing.
Like imagine if we only caught a glimpse of grogu tapping into it and the season ends with Luke skywalker showing off it's potential with his rare lightsaber in hand.
But the fact we saw ahsoka prior to that kinda took all the wind out of it.
in that regard anyway
it was still cool seeing luke n all
mental osprey
Ahsoka should be dead!
torpid stag
but it would have been better if there weren't other jedi around
mental osprey
She should have died in Order 66
The only good prequel idea George had was killing her off in the purge!
viscid sage
the force is at its most boring when its just, hey look at this crowd of jedi doing backflips and telekinesis(which to clarify i dont think is a flaw of the prequels since thats exactly what they were showing on purpose)
mental osprey
the force is at its most boring when its just, hey look at this crowd of jedi do...
I like the force shit in TLJ cause of that it’s just there’s other crap in that movie I hate
torpid stag
i like some of what we've seen in Ahsoka though. Force powers we dont get to see often. Stuff not combat-focused
viscid sage
i also think force speed is still so funny
torpid stag
like retelling the events of the area
viscid sage
everyone sweeps force speed under the rug
mental osprey
i like some of what we've seen in Ahsoka though. Force powers we dont get to see...
I agree the show is good I just don’t think she should be alive in this time period
torpid stag
everyone sweeps force speed under the rug
force speed is so funny tho
i want a canon explanation why we dont see it more
mental osprey
Force speed shows up once, never reappears
viscid sage
the real reason his name is ruin johnson
mental osprey
Does not elaborate
torpid stag
Jedi academy giga based
viscid sage
ok but the real loss is marrok not using a helicopter saber
filoni is too weak to bring it to live action
torpid stag
whats stupider, force speed or inquisicopters
mental osprey
Rian Johnson actually brought some fresh ideas to Star Wars then they just brought back fucking JJ abrams to have Palpatine requote ROTS
torpid stag
Rian Johnson actually brought some fresh ideas to Star Wars then they just broug...
well yeah cause the entire fandom started pissing all over the floor like a stupid puppy over it
ofc they'd have a kneejerk reaction
and try and "play it safe"
and then wound up pleasing nobody
viscid sage
hey kelly so you know how a bunch of incels online want you out of this franchise? dont worry you’re still in the movie. can you read these 3 lines please
mental osprey
Just as bad as Ahmed best and jake Lloyd tbh
viscid sage
i couldnt care less ab how they re-fucked the trilogy w tros but the way they fucked over some of the actors pains me man
mental osprey
chris terrio is a bitch coward
Well he wrote Batman v Superman what do you expect
torpid stag
Ahmed in mandalorian tho. 
viscid sage
john and especially kelly deserved so much better
viscid sage
Ahmed in mandalorian tho. <:POGGERS:385936466339037194>
maybe in 20 years kelly marie tran will appear as jedi master billyboo squazoo and save Baby Plo Koon(named plogu) from order 66
torpid stag
Well he wrote Batman v Superman what do you expect
i expect to get his job cause apparently fuckin anyone can be a screenwriter no matter how useless you are
mental osprey
Though it’s not a hard bar to pass lmao
mental osprey
i expect to get his job cause apparently fuckin anyone can be a screenwriter no ...
Something about TROS is so funny to me
The movie is just
So insane
More insane that ROTS
torpid stag
it's undiagnosed ADHD as a star wars movie
viscid sage
i expect to get his job cause apparently fuckin anyone can be a screenwriter no ...
after knowing colin trevorrow can get paid millions to write blockbuster scripts despite having a negative amount of talent just bc brad bird was like “oh ur cool ig” one day for some reason has completely dissolved my hopes to be big in screenwriting lmao. so often its not ab talent its just luck
viscid sage
it's undiagnosed ADHD as a star wars movie
maybe thats why i enjoy it
torpid stag
it doesn't know what it's doing or why but it's doing all of it as fast as it can
mental osprey
It’s such a funny movie
viscid sage
wow tros literally is me cobbling together an essay in the last 10 hours of a semester
mental osprey
Episodes 3 and 9 are the same thing I swear
Turn my brain off and watch insanity
If I do that they’re so entertaining
viscid sage
i assert that episode 3 is funnier
mental osprey
None of it makes sense but damn it’s funny
mental osprey
i assert that episode 3 is funnier
Agreed but 9 is close for me
torpid stag
3 has the benefit of the clone wars acting as supplemental material to make any of it relevant to the viewer lol.
9 however does not and it just expects you to accept everything that happens.
viscid sage
palpatine is the same in both. just throwing shit at the wall and shit happens to go his way and he just thinks thats hilarious
perhaps more evident in 9
solid pewter
https://youtu.be/YPvEJjNNPp4?si=fb15RQHZFKnajpn2
This is a very based video
mental osprey
I think in 10 years people will enjoy and meme TROS like they do ROTS
torpid stag
oh easy
viscid sage
“kill the girl idk” “rey heyyy nono i never wanted you dead(stifling giggles)” “omg force dyad tf??” (forgets his composure and just starts cackling)
torpid stag
lol
TROS is an absolute clusterfuck but i cant say I wasn't entertained watching it.
viscid sage
I think in 10 years people will enjoy and meme TROS like they do ROTS
eh idk i feel like rots still had more of a cultural impact
i think most ppl thought tros was fine or mid then moved on
torpid stag
true. the main big hitters for modern star wars is the shows
viscid sage
and theres so much more SW content saturation now
mental osprey
eh idk i feel like rots still had more of a cultural impact
Revenge of the Sith is just an odd little creature that everybody pretends is awesome but is really just Adderall: The Movie
torpid stag
eh i like it
viscid sage
even mando which was more positively received prob wont have the staying power(not to mention its just falling off)
viscid sage
like theres so much stuff
mental osprey
I like it too but god it’s so fucking dumb
viscid sage
how many ppl even think ab obi wan or BOBF
mental osprey
Clone wars does not improve ROTS for me
mental osprey
Anakin still has bad acting and Palpatine has dumb lines
torpid stag
BOBF sweep
mental osprey
And the plot, like all the prequel films, makes no sense
mental osprey
What is everybody’s least favorite Star Wars movie?
mental osprey
Attack of the clones is the biggest disappointment since my son
I hate that movie
So much
I never knew a film could make me so angry
If I got drunk and watched AOTC I would try to fight my TV
torpid stag
i think i'd rank TROS lower than AOTC personally.
AOTC again benefits from the surrounding material that I have deep rooted nostalgia for regardless of it's quality.
TROS is just a mess that spat in the face of every TLJ fan
mental osprey
Yeah I cannot come to enjoy any aspect of AOTC except the score
mental osprey
The whole clone plot and anakin and Padme going on a date shit
torpid stag
i will say
mental osprey
Oh yeah Christopher Lee is here with a bunch of bug people, how cool
torpid stag
the anakin and padme romance yes it's awful and george can't write romance.
but there's one scene they share i do like
when anakin is explaining to her about attachments and such
mental osprey
oh god
torpid stag
in the diner place
torpid stag
Hayden has some actually good delivery in that scene; i'm serious. It's an outlier and it had to be a fluke
or maybe george was sick that day idk
mental osprey
or maybe george was sick that day idk
Prob
torpid stag
something about that scene out of all of them felt different
like there was another director in the chair
mental osprey
That scene where Qui Gon eats dinner with Anakin and his mom does not feel like a prequel scene
torpid stag
i like that scene
torpid stag
that and sebulba going "poodoo"
torpid stag
jar jar is the key to all this
mental osprey
One character in that film with a personality who has an arc
mental osprey
Also, has anybody thought about how racist TPM is?
torpid stag
like it or not he was a main character in an episodic star wars film
mental osprey
The villain is the fucking Chinese trade federation
torpid stag
Also, has anybody thought about how racist TPM is?
oh tons of people
mental osprey
Watto is clearly a Jewish stereotype
mental osprey
And Jar Jar is a Jamaican who’s like “oh meesa take yoosa to da smoke shop, weesa get high!”
torpid stag
jar jar being a stereotype of i guess native jamaican servants
viscid sage
The villain is the fucking Chinese trade federation
george lucas was literally the ultimate leftist filmbro
torpid stag
padme being in geisha makeup felt a bit appropriation-y of japanese people too.
viscid sage
mf was like yeah man im gonna make this sci fi epic about politics then proceeds to appropriate like 96 cultures
mental osprey
padme being in geisha makeup felt a bit appropriation-y of japanese people too.
Eh I don’t mind that as much as fucking Watto
viscid sage
but like its ab the bush administration and vietnam maaaan
torpid stag
nah i know
mental osprey
Watto is so fucking bad it’s funny
torpid stag
just thinking of examples in the film
mental osprey
but like its ab the bush administration and vietnam maaaan
He did too much acid back in the day
Fried his brain
mental osprey
Then he made the prequels
The best way to justify how Yoda acts in the prequels is ketamine
viscid sage
but i'd be lying if i said the duel with maul wasn't cool as fuck
see when bro hands it over to a team of professionals the prequels cook so hard
torpid stag
john williams' work on the phantom menace OST was the anthem of my generation.
mental osprey
But for every cool idea there’s a “I slaughtered them like animals”
torpid stag
duel of the fates is still imo the best song in the saga
viscid sage
podrace? vfx team is cooking. duels? stunt coordinators & choreographers are cooking. music? self explanatory. anakin and padme just staring into the sunset? actors are cooking
mental osprey
duel of the fates is still imo the best song in the saga
Asteroid field would like a word
viscid sage
ot scores dont get enough love outside the obvious major themes
mental osprey
Or that one that plays when Vader is chasing the falcon out of Bespin
And Luke and Vader are talking through the force
viscid sage
everyone talks ab battle of the heroes no one talks ab yoda and the force 
mental osprey
Love that one
mental osprey
everyone talks ab battle of the heroes no one talks ab yoda and the force <:HG_Y...
Yes
torpid stag
duel of the fates sticks out for a reason though. people gravitate to it and remember it for very clear reasons. Because john williams was at the peak of his work and he fucking crushed it.
solid pewter
My favourite OT track is the escape from cloud city
viscid sage
dont get me started on undeserved sequel score slander
solid pewter
It’s just musical perfection
torpid stag
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_2bluVPsb0
You don't hear that opening chant and not get chills. it's scientifically impossible
solid pewter
dont get me started on undeserved sequel score slander
TLJ has one of my favourite scores in all of these projects
torpid stag
TLJs score is brilliant
mental osprey
torpid stag
the crait duel song whatever its called is baked into my head
mental osprey
Ah found it
The Spark is awesome
Probably one of my favorite scenes in all of Star Wars
torpid stag
thats it thanks
TLJ's highest highs are the peak of the saga
but it has some lows that drag down the movie in places
viscid sage
THE SPARK WOOOOO
solid pewter
The intro song too is great for TLJ
solid pewter
like the battle against the dreadnaught
mental osprey
Also I don’t like Boba Fett’s new theme, his empire theme is much better
mental osprey
The John Williams boba theme so good
viscid sage
honestly i think thats just a matter of how u prefer the character
williams’ boba theme is a lot more reserved befitting his role
mental osprey
I prefer the dickhead Boba 
viscid sage
honestly same
solid pewter
Bro Ahsoka's score is phenomenal so far
torpid stag
i respect john williams a lot for his work and i do like his theme for boba fett.
but also "DUNDODOOOO DOD ODO BOBA FETT 
"
mental osprey
He should have stayed DEAD
mental osprey
Bro Ahsoka's score is phenomenal so far
Yes
torpid stag
ahsoka's music 
mental osprey
I think the biggest problem I have with the prequels is Yoda
viscid sage
dude kevin kiner is putting his whole fucking kinussy into this shit
mental osprey
They ruined Yoda for me
torpid stag
https://open.spotify.com/track/0PAAvfnD7uzg1mXW6cI6tx?si=f3b9a1bde639456e
i really didn't know i needed to hear punk rock in star wars but it works
torpid stag
high republic yoda >>>>
solid pewter
i really didn't know i needed to hear punk rock in star wars but it works
This is not the first time Kevin Kinner integrated rock into his Star Wars score
viscid sage
I think the biggest problem I have with the prequels is Yoda
my problem isnt yoda himself but the fact that they never really dwell on how much of a cock he is
viscid sage
like yoda being a dick is on purpose. he talks ab it in empire. but it flows too much just like oh this is yoda hes awesome this is what he should be
mental osprey
I always go back to Greedo’s “inside the prequels video” and George Lucas saying “but his little green lightsaber”
torpid stag
Why does he have a lightsaber
"he gotta pull out his little lightsaber. and thats really cool cause we've never seen that before."
we give George way too much credit for the saga considering he didn't even direct the OT 
mental osprey
"he gotta pull out his little lightsaber. and thats really cool cause we've neve...
YES THATS THE LINE
viscid sage
nah you know what thats based
i wanna direct like that
“eh yeah why not thats cool i guess”
based as fuck
mental osprey
He is a cool idea man
torpid stag
problem is nobody told him no
even though, again, he didnt direct the OT
so why were people blindly listening to him
viscid sage
problem is nobody told him no
erm like i said thats how i wanna direct🤓
mental osprey
He hardly directed a new hope
Also I hate calling it a new hope
Such a lame name
Just call it Star Wars
solid pewter
My favourite little bit of the Ahsoka score is the little piano motif when Shin and Baylan board the New Republic cruiser and start killing people
mental osprey
Love George Lucas and I thank him for creating Star Wars but god he made some odd decisions
torpid stag
ezra's theme <3
grand thunder
and then wound up pleasing nobody
Wrong, it pleased me 
I also like TLJ, don’t love it though, very 50/50
torpid stag
Wrong, it pleased me <:HG_C3P0Nerd:938885989093474364>
you're valid 👍
i love TLJ, hate TROS but that hatred has shifted into semi-ironic amusement.
fervent skiff
duel of the fates is still imo the best song in the saga
this is going to be a hot take
but
grand thunder
Luke, Kylo and Rey shit in TLJ? Peak Star Wars, pretty much everything with the hyperspace chase and Canto Bight, giant meh
fervent skiff
Battle of the Heroes > Duel of the fates 
torpid stag
battle of the heroes is great too
duel of the fates has a punch to it though.
something about it
fervent skiff
the best shit is when they combine the two
grand thunder
When talking about force powers, it’s always funny the debates that can be had over force heal lmao
civic hatch
"he gotta pull out his little lightsaber. and thats really cool cause we've neve...
I'm telling ya man Marcia Lucas doesn't get enough credit
ashen pivot
She got that alimony 
civic hatch
Apparently she hated the sequels, but the main thing she said about it was that she didn't like that they killed Han and Luke so who knows if she actually had better ideas.
ashen pivot
Possibly
Didn’t she get flack for that too? I vaguely recall that being a thing for a day
echo sapphire
cant believe we were robbed of force speed’s return in tlj
fortunately it’s one of the main jedi abilities in fortnite
tired vector
I don't know how Han or Luke could have played a role in the sequels without dying tbh
civic hatch
I hear a lot of people say they don't get why they died actually, and I don't get where that sentiment comes from either
tired vector
I think it just comes down to the fact they didn't want to see anything happen to the characters they love. Luke wasn't ever going to be the protagonist of the sequels, he's destined to be in the supporting mentor role like Qui-Gon, Obi-Wan, etc. If you don't kill that type of character off they're just gonna detract from the heroes
And I agree with Harrison Ford, Han really had nowhere to go as a character
solid pewter
I don't know how Han or Luke could have played a role in the sequels without dyi...
This is something I keep telling people, the second I got into TLJ I had a feeling Luke is gonna die
Like, their roles in the story were over
They passed on the torch
civic hatch
Luke's death I think was as creative and well done as it could've been
solid pewter
Luke's death is one of the few things I love about TLJ
civic hatch
But I always hear people upset seemingly just cause they were confused
Like "I don't get why he died, he just used the force too hard?" like. Yes. They said that, in the movie, when Kylo thought Rey was projecting herself he said "the effort would kill you"
solid pewter
Like "I don't get why he died, he just used the force too hard?" like. Yes. They...
People will forget things said in the same movie after 10 minutes
Average SW fan attention span
tired vector
Rian made the right call by giving Luke a peaceful death on his own terms rather than just repeating Han getting stabbed
Luke needed to die but Kylo killing him would have been weird and unfulfilling character wise
solid pewter
For how much Rian pisses me off in TLJ, he did a good thing with Luke and he died with his dignity and doing something a true Jedi would do
rose vapor
civic hatch
Kylo does a lot of weird unfulfilling character stuff lol
solid pewter
Sacrifice himself to stall for time so that what's left of the Resistance can flee
I love how no one died when he got there
He died a true Jedi
tired vector
blud collected all the studs
rose vapor
He needed that purple stud to spoil his babygirl Mara Jade
civic hatch
I think one of the big issues with how they handled the OT cast is that the new cast was both super disconnected from them but also not
Like if the entire story they weren't major players at all and it was just new people dealing with the modern conflict that might've made it easier to accept this wasn't about them. Or if they were directly connected for at least both Rey and Kylo then they could feel justified in being a larger part. But because Kylo and kinda Poe are the only ones with any real connection (and I guess Chewie since he's just there the whole time) at a certain point there isn't really any pleasing anyone. People who don't care think the new cast isn't getting enough screen time, and people who do think the old cast isn't getting enough screen time.
Anyways this whole time I've been trying to find my "disney+ log in information" to watch this latest episode lol
Don't know if there's anything more annoying than websites that solely exist to tell people "watch this show now by clicking a link to take you to the actually streaming service that we aren't affiliated with!"
Ah finally
I wonder what people who have no idea the context of any of this think of this show
valid blaze
valid blaze
The whole sequence was a joke/reference to the franchise and fandom.
civic hatch
See I am not a fan of when they do that 😃
valid blaze
valid blaze
echo sapphire
I wonder what people who have no idea the context of any of this think of this s...
one of my friends hasn’t watched rebels at all and he’s loving it
civic hatch
I don't know how people do that tbh
civic hatch
Yay star wars fans 😁
valid blaze
echo sapphire
I don't know how people do that tbh
do what?
civic hatch
Not know the context for anything happening and still like...remain engaged in any way
Like if I didn't see any of CW and they were like "yeah there's witches, you know with magic. From Dathomir? You guys know Dathomir, right?" I'd just tune out
Ray Stevenson really carried this show
Oh shit that's right he was the british dude in RRR
He was great in that too
The score in Thrawn's intro is great
The concept of scrapped repurposed trooper armor would've been cooler than the FO fancy new armor tbh
valid blaze
Night troopers my beloved
civic hatch
Thrawn's design kinda makes it hard for Lars Mikkelsen's performance to come through if I'm being honest. I think him being hard to read isn't a bad thing, but I feel like the subtleties in his eye movements aren't coming across as well cause his irises are hard to see.
echo sapphire
Not know the context for anything happening and still like...remain engaged in a...
they said the clone wars flashback episode helped them a lot cause they were seeing it for the first time and they thought it was awesome
civic hatch
I think that part was handled fine
It's more all the Rebels stuff and the extra random CW elements like Huyang and the Nightsisters that would throw me off. The personalities are coming through well enough, despite the acting being meh, and they are like keeping exposition at a minimum without leaving too much out, but it's all leaving very little room to really chew on the character and story of it all.
fervent skiff
i concur with the honorable delegate of the trade federation
fervent skiff
lmfaoo
civic hatch
Oh cool hermit crab ewoks
wary needle
Yeah they reminded me of the Ewoks as well
The way they meet
All Star Wars is the same tbh
civic hatch
It feels very beat for beat
What is it with this show man if feels like no one is getting any proper direction from anyone
Filoni didn't even direct this episode
This Ezra Sabine reunion feels so....stilted
wary needle
It’s almost like they don’t love/miss each other or something
civic hatch
Thrawn's line delivery just feels like my dude is forgetting what he's supposed to be saying each line 😭
civic hatch
Maybe it's just everything around him that made it fall flat for me
Like the concept that he's like analyzing people, choosing his words carefully, and in general using his pauses to control the conversation is all fine.
It just feels like there's not much really happening to give those moments any weight.
civic hatch
Genuinely
I like that
The idea of him ensuring the survival of the Empire and his followers enough that they're all still organized after all this time is cool.
But I feel like Morgan should have a more clear sense of fear in the way she reacts to him and his orders but she's just kinda standing there. And I don't really get who the nightsisters are here or what they want enough to get how they view Thrawn. I guess they see it as prophecy or something?
wary needle
Kinda reminds me of how wishy washy the Nightsisters’ goals in TCW were
Like why help Dooku initially?
Why help Ventress, who betrays Savage, then why help Savage, then why help Ventress again?
fervent skiff
holy fuck its enoch
civic hatch
That's very fair, it's almost like Filoni just keeps bringing them in cause they look neat but then doesn't have anything for them do other than just provide magic to fuel the plot 😄
wary needle
I wouldn’t even mind if they just explained that the Nightsisters are a faction that just likes to see what will happen
fervent skiff
filoni just wanted to do witches in live action lets be honest
wary needle
Like what I did with a faction in my own stories
civic hatch
Nah that's cool
wary needle
Filoni wants to do everyone in live action
fervent skiff
yeah thast like the main thing with this show
civic hatch
I like the idea that they're pure relation to the Force is just following its path and almost hanging between that barrier between the physical and the spiritual
wary needle
He’s Dave Filonely and just wants to bring his creations into the real world so he’s less lonely
civic hatch
Purely impartial but viewed as malicious because of their overt connection to death and unreliability
You know at this point I'd expect Skol and Hati to be more sympathetic. I think Skol is there in the performance, but I'm getting nothing from Hati to the point that I'm willing to say she feels like dead weight. She's just been standing there doing nothing and giving zero context to what her role is for the whole series, I don't know what she wants. I don't know where she came from. And I don't know why she's here. I'm not saying I need a full sense of backstory for her, but some tangential connection to the larger story might have helped a little. Something to give stakes to her involvement. Thrawn is suggesting killing them off and I don't know why I'd care. Skol just keeps saying over and over that he has some larger goal and I still don't understand what it is cause who the fuck even is this guy?
wary needle
They all felt like dead weight to me until I related to Skoll losing his faith and missing the idea of it but not the order itself
But that’s about it
civic hatch
Another concept that on paper sounds interesting
wary needle
Feelsbad calling Skoll dead weight given the irl stuff
civic hatch
It extra sucks that Stevenson genuinely is giving enough that I want to know more about this guy
wary needle
I don’t completely understand all the people saying Skoll is carrying the show
civic hatch
Maybe carrying isn't the best word. I don't think the rest of the show is being held up by him so much as I think his performance is the only thing that feels like he had an idea of his character.
Ezra's actor honestly for a second sounded like he got it, but then Sabine's actress had such a weird like slow awkward chuckle. All this build up and she's just like, "😯 ....... 😏"
It feels like no one knows who they're playing or where the story is going or why they're here. Things just sorta happen and everyone just goes along with it.
wary needle
“Ezra? My goodness you’ve grown”
civic hatch
wary needle
The more I think about any piece of Star Wars the less I like it
Where all the HelloGreedo Troopers in these shows?
The ones who just wear the helmet and normal clothes
Also kinda funny how people said going to a new galaxy opens up so many possibilities and then they end up on some boring generic rock lmao
You know if this were animation it would’ve been a cooler looking planet
You know what? I’m gonna call it. Next episode will be a flashback episode showing Thrawn and Ezra’s arrival and what it’s been like adapting
And then the finale will return to the present and have Ahsoka catch up
turbid drum
You know at this point I'd expect Skol and Hati to be more sympathetic. I think ...
Hati shows that he's wrong, he speaks like he misses the idea of the order but his teachings seemingly only produced someone that isn't simply atypical for a Jedi but someone who outright acts and thinks like a Sith (her taunts are always about "power" and it seems to be her main concern even in other dialogues), Baylan in the end is just a more benevolent version of Pong Krell.
At this point one wonders what was the "idea" of the order that Baylan misses.
valid blaze
Honestly I feel like a lot of people complaining just no longer like star wars like they used too and are unwilling to let it go, either because of their childhood attachment or the hope of reigniting their love for the franchise. And it's clearly not working and if anything harming them, the people who still enjoy the series and the overall discussions.
echo sapphire
It's more all the Rebels stuff and the extra random CW elements like Huyang and ...
yeah i’m gonna have to ask them about that when we meet next week, the last time we spoke they hadn’t watched the new episode yet
wary needle
They miss the idea of Star Wars but not its truth and weaknesses
civic hatch
Honestly I feel like a lot of people complaining just no longer like star wars l...
Nah see fuck that. I hate that idea that "oh you're hurting the discussion." The only people who are hurting the discussion are the grifters trying to make a quick buck off of nothing complaints for youtube money. There is zero harm in someone saying they don't like the direction a show is going, that's just having a discussion. If anything I'd argue it's more harmful to push the narrative that people just "don't like star wars" cause they're more critical of it. Cause if that were true I wouldn't like any of it, or be able to talk about what I like about it. But I and many others do like some of the new stuff and still can talk about the old stuff with new perspective and understanding of what they like about its storytelling and universe.
Like some of it of course doesn't age well over time, but it feels like every new show has a legion of people who are so over exposed to brain dead youtubers that they treat any criticism as some sort of attack. I'm not saying that's what's happening here, but that wider sentiment makes giving anything a shot more difficult than the shows themselves. That was basically the entirety of Obi-Wan discussion in this server, just endless shitting on bad takes without any actual conversation. It's far more exhausting than just talking about the show imo.
It's also why I didn't watch BoBF and why even Andor I've been avoiding.
I don't hate Star Wars now, I hate that it's like walking through a minefield of having to justify not being on the same page as someone else.
wary needle
I’m just a hateful person. That’s all.
civic hatch
Hati shows that he's wrong, he speaks like he misses the idea of the order but h...
I guess that's kinda interesting, but I guess not knowing enough about her makes it hard to tell what exactly it is that he taught her at this point. There's some intrigue to the appeal of an "old way" of doing things that Thrawn and Ahsoka are following, but it all feels very vague and non-committal to the point that it's more loose themes and not really a concrete connection.
ashen pivot
Man this chat is poppin
turbid drum
I guess that's kinda interesting, but I guess not knowing enough about her makes...
I we see it more explicitly we might not get caught off guard by Baylan's "evil santa" shtick.
civic hatch
I'm not really caught off guard by it though
echo sapphire
Honestly I feel like a lot of people complaining just no longer like star wars l...
or maybe they’re just criticizing a tv show
civic hatch
fervent skiff
👀
where'd his orange blade come from if this is the case
or maybe this crystal is his padawans who died or something
solid pewter
This is one of the few tweets I’ve seen where the theory isn’t batshit insane
That would be cool
rose vapor
And it's not absolute lore shattering
fervent skiff
also btw if we see a single tie-defender i will change all opinions on ahsoka it will be a 10/10
plain iris
Honestly I feel like a lot of people complaining just no longer like star wars l...
The "people complaining just don't like star wars" saying is on the same level as the "to be fair, you need a very High IQ to understand...".
No. Me scrutinising the story doesn't mean I don't like star wars anymore, it just means I care for it enough to expect it to be better, especially when I know it can given some moments and sequences.
To someone frustrated with the franchise it's like saying you associate Star Wars with poor quality.
There are certainly people who very much don't care for it outside of the glee they take from pointing and mocking it, but you usually tell these from how they talk about it.
"You don't like it anymore" is just gaslighting people into shutting up
turbid drum
The "people complaining just don't like star wars" saying is on the same level a...
There is a point though, I saw several people treat SW like hard sci-fi complaining about stuff that was always there since the OT.
There is a campy aspect to Star Wars that many manage to tune out until some new SW thing does a new campy thing that they still haven't assimilated as part of the lore or learned to ignore.
civic hatch
I think there's a disservice to the art of camp when all camp is considered equal though.
There's lots of media that thinks it knows how to intentionally be absurd and fun and falls flat because it isn't really adding anything or keeping people engaged. It's like when people try to justify lightsaber-copters by pointing out how none of Star Wars makes sense. There are methods to using an absurd concept to enhance the story.
plain iris
I've seen several other use that campyness to construct some of the stupidest defences to some straight up stupid elements put to film. People act like Star Wars isn't expected to grow as a craft sometimes, but then turn around and praise it when it actually does as if it's a stroke of genius. Some of the franchises best moments are also when it takes it's elements seriously and explores them more thoroughly, when it incorporates it's lore and mechanincs into the narrative. Why is this treated like it should be the exception and not the rule?
civic hatch
I think I'd in general be a lot more indifferent to Star Wars content that doesn't feel like it's trying very hard if it weren't for the simple limitations of resources when it comes to making any high budget media. Movies and shows take tons of time, money, and energy from lots of people. In a vacuum if you're just making whatever goofy thing pops in your head that's fine, but when you're asking people to put that much into your project I feel like it's more than fair for people at minimum to be able to get a bit harsh when they critique. 99% of people are never going to have the chance to make an official high budget Star Wars project, if you're in the 1% that have been given the opportunity I think it's fair to hope you'd put more effort in then shrugging and going "eh Star Wars never makes sense anyways"
wary needle
With all the effort going into Star Wars, it invites critiques
I’m allowed to say, “If Ahsoka knew Marrok’s lightsaber was flying back to him, why didn’t she stop it instead of sidestepping away from it to look cool?”
fervent skiff
id consider that a nitpick but i agree with the premise of critism being alright
its OK to like things. but its also okay to dislike things, its also ok to critisize things you like too
wary needle
Yeah instead of being like "teehhe goofy goofy, smoofy smoofy" or some shit lol
Had to explain to someone why it makes Obi-Wan look stupid that he didn't try killing Vader at the moment he was convinced his friend was truly gone.
Guess he just ok with more people dying
And like Ahsoka not stopping that lightsaber makes her look similar too
Enemy has a weapon they can use to harm others
glacial willow
personally, i would much rather dodge a lightsaber instead of trying to catch it or whatever
solid pewter
This is woefully off topic but Peridia has so many details that makes the planet even creepier
wary needle
personally, i would much rather dodge a lightsaber instead of trying to catch i...
I was more thinking slicing than catching
glacial willow
I was more thinking slicing than catching
that could work but i think there are a lot of ways it could go wrong. i dont know, i think it was the right decision
wary needle
I would’ve been fine with her dodging if she didn’t make it seem so effortless to do so
The way her motion is, it kinda looks like she just let the weapon fly back into his hand
So like, other than wearing all white, surviving death, flying on an animal, and having a staff, what exactly do people want when they say they want Ahsoka to be Gandalf the White?
amber star
The Mando hate makes me so sad 😦
amber star
Ezra's actor honestly for a second sounded like he got it, but then Sabine's act...
Can't disagree. These two characters who kinda maybe have feelings for eachother but definitely at least love eachother in like a family way, to the point that Sabine has like made it her mission to find him for the past 10 years, and with all she's sacrificed to even come to this place that it's supposed to be impossible to travel to, a place where nobody's been for countless ages
Just kind of ends as if it's like "Heyyy you"
"Long time no see, how've you been? Still in school?"
"Cool cool, what are you studying these days? You working?"
viscid sage
it was honestly so awkward it was cringeworthy imo
even the hug felt like they hadnt seen each other for a year and he was just off doing something on his own rather than being missing for 10+ years
only emotional response it got from me was thanks to the music
valid blaze
The "people complaining just don't like star wars" saying is on the same level a...
Damn I wished it worked, because maybe then people would stop for a second and realise I was making a generalised statement and wasn't talking specifically about anybody just simply criticising the show. But people that are grifting or that have made it painfully clear that they've fallen off the franchise and desperately want to reignite something.
Like I disagree with basically every complaint that has been said in this chat, but I'm not going to give anybody shit for it unless I think its legitimately stupid or I have the energy to do so
civic hatch
I don't know if it's more insulting to our intelligence or yours that you think that it made sense for anyone to interpret that as you exclusively talking about grifters when no one had mentioned them for a good while and the only thing being discussed was people genuinely having complaints with the show and you had already reacted to said complaints with "cope" and "skill issue" gifs. At best you made a poorly timed poorly worded statement in which case you don't have any ground to stand on if people misinterpreted it and pushed back. In general you have a long history of using generic dismissive statements against people you disagree with under the excuse of "not having the energy" to form a proper response, but regardless it conveys an attitude that you don't respect other people's negative opinions fundamentally. And while I don't think that's true, I think you do have at least a base respect for people you disagree with, it doesn't show when you make statements like that. If you wanna talk about hurting the discussion, that's what that looks like. Making dismissive jokes and vague statements and then brushing it off as you basically just being too tired to be less antagonistic.
valid blaze
Okay, but the gifs I posted weren't relevant to a complaint you had? The cope thing sure. But everything after that was unrelated to the actual complaints about the show? Like the difference in skill was very clearly a joke about people watching something without any prior context, like I don't really understand how people can watch and enjoy something when it requires additional context that you don't have. But at the end of the day its not something that actually bothers me. Hence stupid ass gif
civic hatch
I get there was joking, I'm not saying that it's clear evidence that you were bothered, I'm saying it doesn't help when you later make statements about what's good for the discussion that feel dismissive of people who don't like the thing you like is all. All I'm saying is in the context of the conversation and how/when you were participating in it, what you said sounded dismissive of the people here and not like a statement about grifters. Enough people interpreted it like that for that to be more than clear. So if you see that people apparently wildly misinterpreted what you said, the easy response is "oh oops, sorry guys I see how that came out wrong. I wasn't trying to go after anyone here, I was more just saying something about grifters that was on my mind. But I see how that statement in the middle of people having genuine complaints doesn't make it look like that, sorry"
valid blaze
Yeah but not everybody thinks like you do, I'm like 90% sure I've made it clear before that my autism doesn't really let me word things how I want, I rewrite my messages several times before sending them just to make sure im even remotely close to getting it how i want it, but clearly that's not enough. and I'd like think at the very least you'd know me well enough by know to realise I'm not the kinda person to make a vague generalised attack on people's opinions, instead of just voicing my disagreements directly to you.
main ledge
verbal forge
If my mom was Mary Elizabeth winstead, my life would be pretty cool
rose vapor
verbal forge
Your dad coming in after work saying “hello there”
main ledge
wary needle
Ohhhh is funny because it like Front Battle 2!
wary needle
Oh wow I never knew that
rose vapor
And she was in Barbie
wary needle
Wow didn’t know that either
ashen pivot
She’s a chameleon
wary needle
ashen pivot
Nice link
wary needle
Saying it out loud is funnier than the link itself
ashen pivot
Sure
raven sentinel
She’s gonna be in the borderlands movie too
rose vapor
Chopper solos Thrawn's entire army
wary needle
“Chopper…Solo.”
rose vapor
C1-10P Solo
ashen pivot
Whoa
ashen pivot
Let’s get it to 10,000! 
fervent skiff
viscid sage
ahsoka if it was good
fervent skiff
solid pewter
I had a very rot breakdown with Klaus in VC over Jedi Rock and the intro of it, we just laughed like idiots over it for no reason
ashen pivot
Play jedi rock at my funeral
fervent skiff
I had a very rot breakdown with Klaus in VC over Jedi Rock and the intro of it, ...
lmaooo
jedi survivor has in-universe songs
they slap
solid pewter
Play jedi rock at my funeral
Just the intro tho
fervent skiff
also star wars has been airing lofi on their youtube channel and idc ima pretend they are canon songs
its offical lofi guys
they've got 11 tracks so far
currently vibing to the stinger mantis one
fervent skiff
if Abeloth shows up im actually unsubbing from D+ lmao
civic hatch
wary needle
I’m pretty sure Ahsoka is “Prelude to Filoni Movie”
fervent skiff
isnt there still like 3 seasons of other shows though?
like we still got skeleton crew, mando season 4, etc. They said the movie would be the culmination to the film, and the films coming out in 2025 or later i thought? so... idk why everyone is saying this lmao
grand thunder
Mando season 4 could always follow the movie
civic hatch
wary needle
Top ten Community moment
grand thunder
Skeleton crew also is seemingly so separate from everything else that it can probably just get away with being tied in when the movie comes
plain iris
if Abeloth shows up im actually unsubbing from D+ lmao
How would feel if I told you I was thinking of turning Rey into a Abeloth type character for a hypothetical 4th trilogy?
wary needle
Ahsoka is like Guardians of the Galaxy 1 in that it actually features Thrawnos, but the main conflict with him is actually a bit away
Mando s4 and Skeleton Crew are other random things in between
fervent skiff
How would feel if I told you I was thinking of turning Rey into a Abeloth type c...
character assasination 😭
Rey is literally such a moral beacon of good shes like a disney princess in star wars she has no risk of turning to the dark side on her own
wary needle
I like the idea of Abeloth. Just not turning any of these characters into her.
fervent skiff
agreed
grand thunder
Like it seems pretty obvious that Thrawn is gonna escape Peridia so it would make sense if the movie is what follows that
civic hatch
Maybe a bunch of ants will kill thrawn before he escapes
wary needle
Ffs
fervent skiff
I like the idea of Abeloth. Just not turning any of these characters into her.
i wouldnt wanna see her on screen
shes cooler when shes lovecraftian and you have to imagine it
fervent skiff
lmaooo
grand thunder
Fart cloud Abeloth wooo
wary needle
Holy shit
fervent skiff
wary needle
Wait I thought Ezra was Snoke
grand thunder
He’s both
wary needle
As long as Ezra ain’t The Flash we good
fervent skiff
bruh tf you guys talking about hes jabba
wary needle
We are all Ezra
civic hatch
buffalo wild wings buffalo wild wings buffalo wild wings
wary needle
Buffy Dubs
plain iris
Rey is literally such a moral beacon of good shes like a disney princess in star...
The plan was to have cross a gate looking for some secret or power to save the galaxy or her child. The cross makes it so her body and spirit switch with Ben's in a spirit world. She spends months in here treading a formless land until she comes to a pool. She falls in and slowly begins to turn. When she's rebirthed her scream can be heard across the entire galaxy. So you have this motherly cosmic entity trying to protect what she loves but malforming planets with every move.
wary needle
You ever think about how “Greedo” is just “greed” with an “o” added to the end?
And how Greedo himself was being greedy?
plain iris
Killing some for money I guess
wary needle
Why didn’t he just get a job? SMH
fervent skiff
The plan was to have cross a gate looking for some secret or power to save the g...
well thats horrfying
plain iris
Why didn’t he just get a job? SMH
10 credits an hour for a week or a 6 digit bounty right now?
wary needle
He should’ve known what he was doing was a sin
plain iris
well thats horrfying
That's the point
fervent skiff
i mean fair
plain iris
Quê
fervent skiff
idk who watched visions
but this guy is awesome
i love how flat the top of his helmet is like
ashen pivot
Visions my beloved
raven sentinel
https://x.com/RaFe_Tano/status/1705607117284028638?s=20
These theories make me miss Andor so much
wary needle
Idk I have a feeling Andor is leading into some big Infinity War and Endgame style team up
Like the movie after will end with some Rebels dying, and then the movie after they will win
main ledge
I mean I can see if Ahsoka Season 2 did this but we still got a ways to go till that movie
wary needle
Dave Filleroni or something
turbid drum
idk who watched visions
I did, there are actually a few nice concepts, though season 1 on the whole has more stories that are Star Wars in name only there are a few like Village Bride that are really good.
Visions 2 has more stories that could fit into regular Star Wars if you squint, though some of them are a bit too similar, almost like they were given a theme and then everyone developed it slightly different.
turbid drum
So there are two of us, frankly I was surprised to see how few people spoke about Visions 2.
civic hatch
I loved it man
turbid drum
I guess not enough FOMO.
civic hatch
made a whole ass video about it
viscid sage
shit i still need to watch the last ep
turbid drum
made a whole ass video about it
yup but by and large I didn't see many people discussing it online like with season 1. I guess not having the weebs (as this time it was mostly non japanese studios) did a number on its impact in online discussions.
civic hatch
Very true
Very upsetting
Main reason I made the video tbh, I enjoyed it and was upset that so few people seemed to give it a chance, even though admittedly I also was very late to the party
grand thunder
I see so many people just dismiss it cause it’s not canon and like I just don’t get the mentality. It’s great to get something that can do whatever the hell it wants cause it ain’t confined to a canon, great stories can still be told
ashen pivot
Didn’t people talk a-oh my god, that thread only has 32 posts
GO WATCH VISIONS 2 YA FUCKS
plain iris
It's on my backlog. I've just fallen of watching shows a bit
ashen pivot
Thankfully it’s all anthology, so you can start whichever peaks your interest first
ashen pivot
Is it the anime thing? Because there’s like no(I think) anime in S2
plain iris
I like anime, I just didn't think some of the styles and anime structural tropes worked very well.
It might be a bit close minded of me but some of the over the topness was kind of silly to me when SW is a series that has a more grounded feeling
Like the rockstar band one was kind of cringe, basic and boring
The twins one was like guren lagann and while I like guren lagann I just didn't connect much with mix of styles. Maybe something who'd worked on some gundam shows or LOTGH could have made something different
ashen pivot
I’d say S2 is..maybe half grounded? More so than 1. Half are little slice of life stuff. The other is fantasy stuff, but not at hyper speed
civic hatch
I enjoyed how not grounded it felt, though at times it did feel more of its genre than Star Wars in season 1
The astro boy episode was the only one I genuinely didn't like
Mainly cause it just didn't feel like Star Wars
But I liked seeing how batshit crazy things got in the twins
ashen pivot
I like astroboy better on the second viewing
wary needle
Visions is peak
Literally do not understand anyone who dismisses it for not being canon
ashen pivot
I wouldn’t dismiss it, but it can be frustrating that it doesn’t effect the canon arc.
“Wow it would be cool if this character could meet-oh wait”
civic hatch
I mean they can
Like Boba Fett and Jabba were in an episode
I imagine things aren't necessarily off limits in that regard, it's just that it would go in its own direction if it were continued
I almost wish that happened with CW tbh, just different canon in its own thing where Ahsoka is on her own story separate from the way things played out in the movies
valid blaze
Twins is really closer to promare, than guaran lagann. But it still draws a lot from triggers other works due to the connection to promare.
But I think the twins being batshit insane kinda works, because trigger got to do two shorts, twins and the elder. Which ended up being a perfect showcase of the studios abilities and range in both visuals and storytelling
wary needle
I almost wish that happened with CW tbh, just different canon in its own thing w...
I don’t wish that but I do wish the Legends banner had been established when TCW started airing, so there wouldn’t be mixing of stuff that wouldn’t fit
civic hatch
I agree
torpid stag
hey someone remind me
was bo katan the first female mandalorian we were introduced to
i really cant remember
in canon i mean
civic hatch
That sounds right
torpid stag
weird to think about
civic hatch
I mean to be fair technically she was introduced right as the rest of the "real" mandalorians
torpid stag
yeah true
civic hatch
Like Boba and Jango at the time were just dudes in armor
torpid stag
but i guess she was the most prominent named one with a role in the story
wary needle
Satine first, no?
wary needle
Satine was such a badass
The way she beat up everyone
Star Wars should have more beating up 🧐
civic hatch
In my defense
All I saw from that show was 
And space bikers
And Boba standing around looking pensive
Oh and rancor something something
I never really saw anyone talk about a fight scene they really liked
torpid stag
he beat up a whole biker gang by himself in tosche station using nothing but a toothbrush
it was raw
fervent skiff
Listen boba fett was pretty good till the show got hijacked
i liked boba beating people up
torpid stag
and he did it all while suffering with respitory rot in his lungs
fervent skiff
the reason boba fett is a shit show is cause its not even a complete show, its 5/7ths of a show with two mandalorian episodes attached like a tumor
torpid stag
no it's a good show because it has boba fett riding a rancor
torpid stag
needs a season 2 that isn't plagued by the weird issues
cause the fun bits are so fun
danny trejo being a rancor keeper and boba treating the rancor like a big puppy giving it scratches
if you dont like that you got something wrong with your brain
fervent skiff
needs a season 2 that isn't plagued by the weird issues
100%
again my issue with it is that its not its own show
and if mando just showed up and was like
along for the ride
i'd be fine with it
fervent skiff
im even MOSTLY okay with him getting his own ship
torpid stag
mando isn't the issue to me. Din showing up for the finale makes sense and works.
The problem is the inclusion of luke, ahsoka and grogu.
fervent skiff
but having grogu come back, and having MAJOR CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT and PLOT DEVELOPMENT that undoes the cliffhanger ending of a DIFFERENT SHOW, all in the fucking book of boba fett
fervent skiff
mando isn't the issue to me. Din showing up for the finale makes sense and works...
agreed
torpid stag
but having grogu come back, and having MAJOR CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT and PLOT DEVE...
despite that tho. Boba got to duel Cad Bane and it was cool
fervent skiff
like if we just se din down on his luck, and he goes to tatooine to get a new ship and he joins boba fett and helps him out
its that easy
forget all the other shit
civic hatch
I'd probably be more interested if there was a clear selling point of gritty action and crime hijinks
But instead it just sold itself on Boba Fett and so I just didn't really care
fervent skiff
despite that tho. Boba got to duel Cad Bane and it was cool
except they have no on screen history except for a deleted duel, and because the show spent 2 episodes on being The Mandalorian™️ it didnt even get to explain how they knew eachother
fervent skiff
i mean this is like the whole like you need to watch TCW and Rebels thing but like 100x more offensive because its literally a DELETED UNFINSHED ARC of a cancelled TV show from 2008 😭
its soo fucking deep its unholy
torpid stag
also lets also not forget Boba delivering the absolute coldest line i've heard in disney star wars, through the voice of the twilek associate.
fervent skiff
and thats coming from someone whos seen all that
its actually insane to expect that of normal people
fervent skiff
it was cool tho
i mean
fervent skiff
yeah ig but
torpid stag
"You will leave this planet and your spice trade. If you refuse these terms, the arid sands of Tatooine will once again flourish with flowered fields fertilized with the bodies of your dead."
-Boba Fett
come on now
thats raw
fervent skiff
you can say batman fighting superman in batman v superman is "cool" that doesnt make it good lmao
civic hatch
I'd have to hear it
torpid stag
its not boba that says it
fervent skiff
"You will leave this planet and your spice trade. If you refuse these terms, the...
that was badass
again
torpid stag
it's a message he leaves for someone else to say
civic hatch
Oh
torpid stag
and he panicks when saying it
fervent skiff
episodes 1-4, and most of episode 7 are pretty good
torpid stag
its really fun
civic hatch
I guess I'd still have to hear it
fervent skiff
but the fact the show is completely derailed and ruins its own plot ruins the show for me
torpid stag
really good scene
torpid stag
but the fact the show is completely derailed and ruins its own plot ruins the sh...
im focusing on the good it does cause its more fun
fervent skiff
cause the plot was like halfway done by episode 4 and then they just... didnt do any main plot for 2 episodes and then had a finale to wrap it up and just ended up being action figure fight
which yeah
its fun
but
i kinda want
torpid stag
my complaints are the same as yours and they've been said to deathh
you know what hasn't been said enough?
how fun the fun parts are
fervent skiff
good stories with satisfying character arcs 😭
I mean yeah thats fair ig
but idk i just feel "fun" should be the bear minimum with star wars
torpid stag
whenever you hear anything about BOBF its about the fact it derails into mando shoehorning and yeah we all know that
it's dumb and weird
but it's been said before
its all anyone ever says
civic hatch
I also have heard it's boring tbf 
fervent skiff
its cause it kinda ruins the show
fervent skiff
like the show couldnt even finish and be itself
torpid stag
i like focusing on the fun parts
fervent skiff
well im happy for you at least
mental osprey
Can’t wait for Eric Cartman to show up in Star Wars: Endgame and say “I am a Jedi, like my father before me!” And put 10,000 lightsabers right in Thrawn’s face.
torpid stag
I also have heard it's boring tbf <:HG_YodaLaugh:618548854014345226>
I disagree with this notion
fervent skiff
i just cant think about the show without feeling dead inside from how i was vibing with it than got my hopes and dreams burned infront of my eyes 😭
fervent skiff
yeah fair
torpid stag
and the fights
and the music
and the fact he rides a rancor to fight kaiju droidekas
and the practical effects
and the fact they somehow managed to make multiple distinct different locales for tatooine
and the rancor thing again
civic hatch
Tatooine has always kinda had distinct locations though
mental osprey
They should just give this server a Star Wars show already.
Jack would be the villain
civic hatch
Jabba's palace, the Lars farm, Mos Eisley, and the Boonta Eve track are all very different
torpid stag
well sure but i mean they added more
it wasn't just a retread
of tatooine things we've already seen
civic hatch
I guess
civic hatch
Idk man I won't argue the show I haven't seen or anything
torpid stag
i like the show but i recognise it's problems
civic hatch
Just for me part of the reason I skipped it was cause those like positive elements feel very like circumstantial I guess
civic hatch
Like if someone was like "yeah that vader fan film made no sense but did you consider vader stopping a million laser bolts?"
Like more power to ya if that's fun and enough for ya I guess
mental osprey
Like if someone was like "yeah that vader fan film made no sense but did you con...
Oh god don’t remind me
torpid stag
i really dont think thats a fair comparison lol
the good parts of BOBF do still contain good character details
the bad parts aren't even about the story
its the fact it just deviates to mandalorian for 2 episodes for no reason
civic hatch
Right but that's the story
torpid stag
the complaint is that the grogu and luke stuff has zero relevance to anything going on with boba
fervent skiff
when the main story like, hadnt wrapped up
civic hatch
I mean okay saying you didn't like those episodes is one thing, but the argument that the show only has five episodes to tell its story when it was promised seven and that the story feels unfinished is a criticism of the story.
torpid stag
i'd argue it's not. I'd say that's a criticism of corporate involvement and weird mandated decisionmaking
fervent skiff
the complaint is that the grogu and luke stuff has zero relevance to anything go...
my complaint is that we lost 2 episodes of character development and plot of the show for a needless detour, ultimately making all the earlier stuff unsatsftying cause it doesnt even FINISH. It just gets paused and then abrubtly concluded
torpid stag
the story being brought to a screeching halt to tell an entirely different story i dont think was any decision made by any writer
its so abrupt it cant be
fervent skiff
yeah but just cause it was executive medeling doesnt mean it still doesnt effect the main story
torpid stag
sure it does
fervent skiff
solo isnt as good as it could of been due to reshoots, that effects the final product
wary needle
It reeks of Disney and Lickassfilm realizing they need their money-making Grogu back to draw in viewers
torpid stag
i agree with the complaint.
but i disagree that it should be the exclusive single thing you mention any time the show is brought up
the show has 7 episodes of content
wary needle
Idk if the reshoots made Solo worse actually. I really enjoyed the film as is. But I would STILL concede that it would’ve worked better as a series, and Obi would’ve worked better as a film
mental osprey
Idk if the reshoots made Solo worse actually. I really enjoyed the film as is. B...
Best take I’ve heard in a while
Holy shit that’s so accurate
civic hatch
I guess it speaks to how irritating corporate mandated nonsense is that it sticks with people so much
wary needle
Idk how to take the news that Lando will be a film now
I’d have to see what story they try to tell to get a good feel
fervent skiff
like you can be like "oh this movie was good till the studio fucked it up" or "This show could be good if it didnt end like this" like, yeah you can say that about literally anything. But it IS like that, regaurdless of outside facts effecting it
mental osprey
Idk how to take the news that Lando will be a film now
Same but I’m glad Donald is writing it and shit
mental osprey
I want it to be Atlanta but Star Wars
Yeah same and NO FORCE USERS
civic hatch
I also will say I personally hear a lot more complaints about BoBF than just the mando episodes
fervent skiff
Idk if the reshoots made Solo worse actually. I really enjoyed the film as is. B...
200% it did lmao. Can you imagine the version where it was lord and miller the whole time? Like you can FEEL the energy of the movie slow down when ron howard is directing. The movie is great and i love it but it totally would have been better without the behind the scenes drama
torpid stag
like you can be like "oh this movie was good till the studio fucked it up" or "T...
but im not saying that. I'm saying "yeah the corporate involvement shoehorning in mando did negatively affect the final product. However the series still has very successful elements to it that shouldn't be overlooked."
mental osprey
I just wanna see Lando going around doing random shit
civic hatch
Mainly that Boba feels under developed, the fights and characters feel cheesy, the drama feels artificial, etc.
torpid stag
i very much disagree with that first take
fervent skiff
but im not saying that. I'm saying "yeah the corporate involvement shoehorning i...
Like I said thats fair, I just have a hard time praising the small good things cause any good thing outside of "This was cool" is unfinished
like any good character development
fervent skiff
is not done
mental osprey
My problem with the show is that Boba shouldn’t have an arc. He is a silly little background character that looks cool
torpid stag
boba's arc honestly I'd say was completed though. They brushed past the cad bane history a bit too quickly. those 2 episodes could have helped explain all that.
but the arc does get finished
mental osprey
And gets eaten by the sand penis in ROTJ
torpid stag
nah i like his new arc
it's relevant to his role in AOTC and TCW
if they didnt exist sure
mental osprey
I don’t want boba fett to have an arc I want him to stand there and look cool
mental osprey
it's relevant to his role in AOTC and TCW
There is no AOTC in ba sing se
fervent skiff
I also feel like we've seen the "Gruff guy learns how to take care of people other than himself and learns to not be selfish" afew too many times
like we've seen this shit twice before and one of them was another group of clones like boba 😭
torpid stag
why
fervent skiff
wants to claim the mandalorian throne
wary needle
I was actually just thinking maybe he SHOULD have been THE Mandalorian
torpid stag
wants to claim the mandalorian throne
why
fervent skiff
why would he have beef with din
not beef with din
beef with bo
do an inverse on his legends arc
fervent skiff
he barely considers himself mandalorian. why would he want the throne
something established in the book of boba fett and mandalorian lmao
wary needle
Boba being the one to protect Grogu could’ve worked
torpid stag
TCW
fervent skiff
so in this theoretical rewrite thats not a thing
torpid stag
no in TCW he doesnt consider himself mandalorian
torpid stag
it does tho
fervent skiff
EXCEPT
civic hatch
Honestly I think I'd have tuned in more if it was genuinely just a show about Boba dealing with the gritty nature of being a crime boss and him slipping further and further into the ugly truth of it.
torpid stag
see this is what happens.
i bring up exclusively the good things about BOBF I like, and the conversation delves into "yeah but this would have been better and not shitty."
every time
fervent skiff
they say "Jangos not a mando" but we already know that guy was lying just to save face from a jedi and convince him there were not mandalorian warriors
wary needle
This is like when Obi says Luke is the Chosen One
civic hatch
I mean I'll say I don't have any comment on the final product
So I can't say anything about the stuff you like
wary needle
People believe him but it’s actually Obi thinking there’s no hope for Anakin and being wrong
fervent skiff
Its just hard for me to focus on the good shit becuase again the good shit just is half complete
civic hatch
I'm just saying conceptually the show being about Boba becoming like a fair crime boss doesn't intrigue me
fervent skiff
and like, i still dont even understand what boba is DOING there
torpid stag
there's a difference between being unable to focus on the good and actively trying to bring up the bad to somebody that is praising the good.
dickmove
fervent skiff
like is basically just the mayor? is he just a dictator of tatooine now?
how can you be a crime boss that doesnt do fucking crime
i dont get it
civic hatch
I'd argue no one here is actively trying to bring up the bad
torpid stag
he's the daimyo of mos espa
fervent skiff
DAIMYO IS A CRIME BOSS
fervent skiff
how can you be a crime boss that doesnt do fucking crime
??? 😭
fervent skiff
what crime is he going to do
torpid stag
he has fennec murder the fuckin mayor
fervent skiff
we already established he doesnt like drug trade
or slavery
the 2 things the hutts did
"i intend to rule through respect" how do you do that while doing crime?
it literally makes no sense
torpid stag
yeah and he wants to not do hutt crime. My guess is more a robin hood mentality of sticking it to elites and rival gangs
fervent skiff
what rival gangs
mental osprey
I think we should erase Star Wars
torpid stag
...the hutts?
mental osprey
This all hurts my head
torpid stag
the ones that showed up
mental osprey
George Lucas made a mistake
fervent skiff
...*the hutts?*
they're all dead except the two twins that show up and are like "eh this dirtball aint worth it"
and leave
fervent skiff
???
torpid stag
and all the other hutts
fervent skiff
they're gone?
civic hatch
So he's a cop?
torpid stag
yknow what im out of this convo lmao
fervent skiff
it doesnt make any sense
mental osprey
what is boba fett just protection?
No he rides it like a bantha
torpid stag
keep shitting on it idc anymore
fervent skiff
what does he do
mental osprey
fervent skiff
its a genuine question 😭
civic hatch
I don't think anyone's shitting on it
Genuinely it just sounds like people don't get it
Like you say "oh but there's cool stuff" and then it's like...what else is there to say about the rancor riding?
If it's fun okay, if not then...okay
crystal pebble
Oh, its one of these days 
civic hatch
And if you say "oh the arcs are cool" and people are like "I didn't get it" then that's all there is to it
fervent skiff
but its nothing deeper than that
torpid stag
no i've just had these conversations so painfully often and im sick of it
fervent skiff
its like a shallow pool
torpid stag
im sick of reexplaining the show to people
torpid stag
yes usually to be excited about it
lol
to share the things i like about it
and im gonna stop doing that cause this is always the result
civic hatch
I think it's just a lack of context that doesn't make that effective
Like there's always a "because BoBF is good" stinger to it that feels less like praise and more like a challenge
torpid stag
I've explained to people countless times at depth the things i like about the character arcs and the general tone of the show and it just went over people's heads so much that i kept my further comments surface level.
I do it because any nuanced discussion i'd attempted to have on things like boba's character arc just resulted in dismissal. People saying I'm reading too much into it or being a shill.
So thats why all my later comments were barebones. Because i wanted to avoid getting into a detailed conversation about it again resulting in what we see now.
"its fun cause rancor" is half ironic
torpid stag
people definitely have
civic hatch
But not here
torpid stag
not you guys no
civic hatch
I think in general there's nothing more upsetting than seeing how fandom creates this perception of positivity that's laced with negative experiences
torpid stag
classic star wars fandom moment
civic hatch
I don't want you to feel like criticism is all under the same umbrella
When I personally explain why I didn't get something it's cause I want you to know I'm trying to have as much good faith as possible
Not to convince you something is bad
crystal pebble
Dw Tidy, I like TBOBF too, and avoid talking about it for the very same reason
Though episode 3 is forever ass
torpid stag
the experiences I've had talking about bobf resurrect ghosts of the TLJ debating days and I really don't wanna revisit that bs again lol. I thought i'd just feel more happy pretending to be a blind fanboy for it going "Ooo rancor" lol.
most of the time it works
turbid drum
Obi Wan and Boba both have issues down to trying to cram a star wars comic book story in a TV budget that was probably not as lavish as everyone was initially promised.
civic hatch
I get that sentiment I just think it's a little limiting
torpid stag
Dw Tidy, I like TBOBF too, and avoid talking about it for the very same reason
T...
ep3 is p meh
torpid stag
I get that sentiment I just think it's a little limiting
its entirely limiting. thats the point i guess lol
attempts to avoid an actual debate
civic hatch
I think there's a time and place for just turning your brain off in a discussion, like if both sides are just goofing than it's all good.
Like I'll meme about the prequels any day
torpid stag
Dw Tidy, I like TBOBF too, and avoid talking about it for the very same reason
T...
i appreciate it's not just me at least so thank you lol
civic hatch
But I'll also try to have like a real point if there's someone who has a real point in favor of them.
And if I'm exhausted it's easier to just not engage.
torpid stag
its like 3am here so im not really in a position to debate BOBF properly, but maybe sometime. Cause I do have actual poignant points to make about why i think the story succeds in places.
but 9/10 times I've just learned it's not worth it. People don't hear it.
its just been cemented as "one of the bad shows"
civic hatch
I think for me it's odd cause like it's a split 50/50 for me with anything these days just cause of where I talk about things
I'd say maybe even closer to 2/3 times it's a good discussion
I haven't bothered with twitter in years and every time I consider scrolling to the youtube comments I'm immediately done.
I haven't heard the term "shill" genuinely used as an attack... ever?
I've heard other people say certain people use it a lot.
torpid stag
lucky lol
civic hatch
I don't know if it's luck, I just kinda avoid those spaces.
torpid stag
or maybe just smart enough to avoid sites like twitter
yea
i've mostly given up debating on twitter now
i cant think of a bigger waste of time
civic hatch
When I was on twitter I avoided it as much as I could and even then passively observing from a distance pissed me off too much to stay on the app
torpid stag
i still use it for art but thats mostly it now
fandoms on twitter are ass
except bionicle
they're always based
civic hatch
I'll be honest it's kinda fascinating whenever people think it's just luck that I've avoided so much of the worst of internet culture. Like idk, I knew it was there and didn't want to be a part of it lol. The closest I've gotten to a genuine smooth brain dumbass argument was here when I managed to get a prequel defender to say the quiet part out loud and admit he just thought I was stupid for "not getting it" cause apparently you need a high IQ to appreciate Lucas' genius.
wary needle
In my experience, there’s no such thing as luck
civic hatch
wary needle
Wait actually
When old Ben said that line
Was he thinking about how unlucky his life was
Or was he saying it’s actually the Force that helps people
And not luck
civic hatch
I think it was just the force tbh
torpid stag
this image makes me happy
solid pewter
It's the smile
wary needle
It looks very Anakininepisode3esque
rose vapor
Same framing and all
wary needle
Still think it’s weird Sabine greeted him as if he was a friend from high school she sort of knew in one class.
