I like Andor but still prefer Mano season 1 because it has that fun factor and relies on all new characters
#Ahsoka
wary needle
fervent skiff
but episode 10 got me balling
wary needle
God I loved the claymation segments of Zaboomafoo
marble whale
Same bro
tepid shore
same
wary needle
We need more Star Wars claymation
marble epoch
Anyways bed for me, have fun shitting all over each other's opinions all night
wary needle
Aardman proved it works
tepid shore
We need Zaboomafoo in Star Wars
marble whale
Petition to rename to Zaboomafoo thread
tepid shore
I’d sign it
wary needle
The Lurmen from The Clone Wars?
marble whale
shit
tepid shore
The lore implications
marble whale
this changes everything
tepid shore
We might have found the true ring theory of Star Wars
Zaboomafoo connects it all in one perfect unity
marble whale
At last the thread is at peace with this resolution
marble whale
WE'VE DONE IT BOYS
marble whale
ZABOOMAFOO HAS DONE IT AGAIN
wary needle
His force ghost is looking at us with approval
marble whale
I am actually in tears right now
tepid shore
Zaboomafoo is the chosen one!
wary needle
I remember the Zaboomafoo theme song like it’s yesterday
Zaboomafoo, gotta catch ‘em all…
wary needle
You teach me and I’ll teach you, ZABOOMAFOO
tepid shore
Zaboomafoo square lemur
marble whale
Zaboomafoo the builder can he fix it
wary needle
When you’re walking down the street
And you see a little ghost
Watcha gonna do about
ZABOOMAFOO
marble whale
ARE YOU READY KIDS EY EY CAPTAIN WHO LIVES IN A JUNGLE UNDER A TREE
tepid shore
Zaboomafoo life as a teenage robot
marble whale
ZABOOMAFOO
tepid shore
I love zaboomafoo
marble whale
Praise Zaboomafoo
fervent skiff
Also Andor is objectively better than Ahsoka cause its got lesbians in it sooo... Checkmate filoni cucks 😎
tepid shore
Zaboomafoo can cure this world
marble whale
Zaboomafoo has lesbians
tepid shore
I love lesbian zaboomafoo arc
fervent skiff
its scientifically proven everything is better with lesbians
wary needle
Guys
fervent skiff
lmfaoo fax
tepid shore
yeah I know
Fuck that tho
Stupid ass spelling
The lords real name is Zaboomafoo
Zoboomafoo is the devil in disguise don’t let it tempt you
fervent skiff
marble whale
wary needle
Holy Trinity: The HelloGreedo, the Zaboomafoo, and the Holey Plot
fervent skiff
Twitter
more of this shit making animation seem less valid as a medium
Ahsoka should have been animated ffs
tired vector
Andor was the worst Star Wars show because it added too many fantasy elements into my science fiction like making sex canon
fervent skiff
lmfaooo
tepid shore
Andor was the worst Star Wars show because it added too many fantasy elements in...
Yeah I don’t like that
fervent skiff
i hate it here
echo sapphire
Ahsoka should have been animated ffs
literally this entire episode i was thinking about how much cooler this shit would’ve been if it was animated
wary needle
Was watching the new One Piece show thinking “Wow this is awesome. I wonder if this would be better if it was animated.”
grand thunder
So watched the episode. Man idk the flashback scenes looked kinda rough further adding to the inconsistencty of the visuals for this show and it really took me out of it making me not be able to fully take in scenes, at least now I know what to expect for rewatches so I can better take in the scenes a second time but sigh Andor really fed us too well with visuals. Hayden could be pretty good, definitely Lanter vibes but other times he delivered things kind of awkwardly. I really enjoyed the actual fighting between Ahsoka and Anakin though, biggest highlight of the episode for sure. Was nice to see both phase 1 and phase 2 clone armour and hear Tem voicing Rex, hope this won't be the only time... the clone armor on Hayden looked a little off but was cool to see nonetheless. Jacen being force sensitive is cool, looking forward to seeing where that goes and final thought is that if I had to guess the Anakin that confronted Ahsoka was a force manifestation similar to Luke facing Vader in the cave?
grand thunder
literally this entire episode i was thinking about how much cooler this shit wou...
It’s so weird to me because my initial thought of them making this live action was to draw in the viewers who only watched live action stuff but then I was like “How is this gonna work cause this is continuing an animated show and I don’t see how people who haven’t seen that show will be able to grasp this” and my theory has basically been proven right because if you haven’t watched Rebels, you’re missing so much context so making this live action is an even more confusing choice than it already was
echo sapphire
on top of that the disconnect between the live-action and animated actors is so jarring
everyone sounds so fucking bored
ahsoka crosses her arms at least twice and episode and i counted this time
grand thunder
It also annoyed me how when like actors and the creatives behind the show would talk about this show, they act as if the animated stuff is just irrelevant
Definitely worries me for the future of Star Wars animation
wary needle
I thought Ahsoka and Anakin sounded great in the flashback/vision
fervent skiff
on top of that the disconnect between the live-action and animated actors is so ...
^^^
wary needle
I didn’t really think it looked rough really. And even if it did (and this might sound like a cop out) it’s a Force vision, so things can look a bit off
fervent skiff
like i feel nothing when ahsokas NEW actress (havent even gotten to know rosario well) is talking to haydan, whos acting like TCW anakin
its very very jarring
wary needle
I do think Rosario as well as Sabine’s actress sound bored
MEW I think is fine as Hera tho def doesn’t sound exactly like Van Mar
fervent skiff
Rosario isnt a bad actress but everyone in this show is wooden cause dave filoni is used to directing voice acting
hes just a bad live action director im sorry guys 😭
wary needle
But I thought young Ahsoka and Hayden Anakin sounded convincing
grand thunder
I may be in the minority but Sabine’s actress has done the best so far imo
Not to say she never has wooden acting but Rosario way more inconsistent for me
fervent skiff
people should be more offended that ahsoka is contributing twords the "Animation isnt cinema" shit. Like people should be upset with this shit
like look at this
Twitter
JUST WATCH CLONE WARS
THERES 7 SEASONS
FUCKING
GOD
Ahsoka is contributing to the "Live action >>> animation" mentality so hard
bad batch season 3 gonna be live action at this point
grand thunder
Honestly Ahsoka has really brought out all the worst in the fandom, shit’s exhausting. I’m just trying to enjoy a new Star Wars show, I have my grievances but I see so much of people putting each other down and it’s just sickening
fervent skiff
with 65 year old de-aged Temuera playing all members of the bad batch
fervent skiff
Honestly Ahsoka has really brought out all the worst in the fandom, shit’s exhau...
Im okay with people liking ahsoka
I just see this shit where its like "we need clone wars live action" and "we need them to remake this in live action" and its just
fucking awful
same level for me as live action disney remakes
like Ahsoka doing its own thing was great imo
grand thunder
I’m not talking about you specifically, I moreso mean the broader internet, the hardcore Andor fans especially like jfc just let people enjoy shows and at least watch the damn show before shitting on it
“Filoni could never write like Gilroy” Literally who cares, it’s not that serious
wary needle
It didn’t even spend that much time in TCW. It’s a new story for the most part.
fervent skiff
i just think this live action clone wars fan service is gonna be harmful to future content cause they're gonna see how positive the response to this is, and we're just gonna get more content treading over new ground
fervent skiff
It didn’t even spend that much time in TCW. It’s a new story for the most part.
yeah but
all the positive reception has been mostly twords the clone wars fanservice shit
:/
i liked episode 4
grand thunder
And let's not forget this is literally a sequel to an animated show as is lol
fervent skiff
the worst part of episode 4 was when they turn the camera around and bam its haydan
fervent skiff
And let's not forget this is literally a sequel to an animated show as is lol
why couldnt it have been animated then??
like the casual live action fans are gonna be so confused
fervent skiff
we spent the first 2 episodes recapping rebels for people who didnt see it
fervent skiff
THAT WAS SOME DAMN GOOD STAR WARS
Glad you had a good time :D
grand thunder
we spent the first 2 episodes recapping rebels for people who didnt see it
And even then so much context missing
fervent skiff
I couldnt get into it, but all power to you, good to like things
fervent skiff
And even then so much context missing
yeah i just think they should have committed too it
still tie it into mando and stuff sure but make it animated
it would fix most of the technical issues people have with it
like the wooden acting and poor directing, cause Dave CAN direct animation, he CAN direct voice acting
grand thunder
I 100% am in agreeance that it should have been animated and because it's not, I'm really just trying to enjoy it on it's own terms while also still having my worries
fervent skiff
he needed more training in live action directing on non star wars stuff
fervent skiff
I 100% am in agreeance that it should have been animated and because it's not, I...
I really tried to
i was feeling the momentum and starting to love episode 4
i feel like this episode just hit the breaks on the momentum just to see stuff we've already seen
grand thunder
Hey the show's not over yet, maybe it can win you over yet?
fervent skiff
i mean
grand thunder
Like hell we didn't see Sabine and them this episode and that was a big part of what drove the momentum last episode
fervent skiff
3 episodes isnt much time to give ahsoka an arc, give the villains motivations, or fix any of the issues i have with the first 3 epsiodes
I actually think sabines actress is the stand out
performance wise
like she was killing it in episode 4
bit off in episode 1 and 2 but she really grew into it
I just feel like alot of this show has been wasted treading over stuff we've seen
its mostly personal yea but
people are gonna watch this who didnt watch any of the animated stuff and if i were them im not sure if this would get me to watch said stuff
because the emotional moments in this show bank on you already knowing these people
wary needle
I’m holding on to hope that this show will encourage the filthy casuals to check out what happened in all the animated stuff
fervent skiff
i hope that happens to but i have my doubts
and if this is just for TCW/Rebels fans thats fine! I just dont see why its not animated lol
grand thunder
Like if I'm being honest while I liked this episode, even I can't say I'm fully confident in what Ahsoka's final lesson was supposed to be, it seemed a little unclear but again so much of that flashback stuff I felt taken out of cause of the visuals so maybe on a rewatch, I could process things I may have missed a little better
fervent skiff
i kinda get it now that i've had people well
explain it to me
but it wasnt really convayed well in the episode i thought
but then again i still dont understand how most of what happened ties into said lesson so
grand thunder
Like I get the whole oh Gandalf paralell with Ahsoka, reborn and whatnot
wary needle
Tbh I think it’s weird that the Gandalf the White part of her arc was pushed further back
Like wasn’t Malachor supposed to be Moria?
fervent skiff
like i get its supposed to be Ahsoka getting over her guilt for Anakin and the war but so far in THIS show we havent seen ANY of the guilt about anakin or the clone wars, the most guilt we hear is that she abandoned sabine
like
again
you'd only understand this episode
if you've watched TCW and rebels
they dont even establish her guilt about this stuff in this show
so you're literally clueless if you dont know
grand thunder
Bizzare as hell
wary needle
That’s a valid point. I think Lucasfilm looks at all of Star Wars as it’s all connected, and they shouldn’t have to hold anyone’s hand because they’ll figure it out eventually.
fervent skiff
you can feel the budget getting used more each episode, like they held off spending alot in the first few episodes so they could really make the later stuff look GREAT (good strat)
mando s2 did the reverse
grand thunder
I'm just really, really trying to wrap my head around why, why is this live action, it just limits the engagement for no real reason
wary needle
Does live action content get more viewership in general?
fervent skiff
spent most of its budget on big dragon fight (still love that ep) at the beginning so CGI luke at the end looked a tad strange lmaoo
fervent skiff
Does live action content get more viewership in general?
yes
wary needle
It feels like they don’t wanna do more than one 3D animated series at a time
If this were animated, how many episodes would it have been though?
grand thunder
And on top of all my worries is the king of all my worries which is that Mandoverse movie. I just hate the idea of all these shows building to this big event, it just screams mcu to me and I hate it, that's not what Star Wars should be imo
fervent skiff
More than 8.
wary needle
Is this a story they would’ve made run very long? Or a miniseries?
fervent skiff
but the episodes would be shorter so
16 episodes is what bad batch has been getting
fervent skiff
And on top of all my worries is the king of all my worries which is that Mandove...
200% agreed
im only greatful it seems to be conatined to this era
wary needle
I wonder how much or how little the movie will recap
fervent skiff
just the idea of you having to watch like 7 shows to understand a fucking STAR WARS movie is just super offputting to me
thats so like
contrary to what star wars usually is
like any normal ass person
can watch the force awakens
and understand whats happening for the most part
grand thunder
I wonder how much or how little the movie will recap
Who knows man, hell Mando season 3 didn't even bother to recap Mando being reuinted with Grogu in another fucking show after the last season ended with them seperating
fervent skiff
good luck with that with "Dave Filoni's Heir to the empire: dark empire vs lukes jedi academy: the movie"
wary needle
Yeah that was dumb
fervent skiff
Who knows man, hell Mando season 3 didn't even bother to recap Mando being reuin...
dude
that pisses me off
so bad
and if you watch season 2
of mando
it sends you at the end
to season 3
no warning
no direction to book of boba fett
wary needle
On the other hand Obi-Wan Kenobi recapped the entire prequel trilogy for some reason
wary needle
no direction to book of boba fett
I mean, there is the post credit scene
fervent skiff
will be watching mando for the first time
wary needle
But not everyone is gonna know how important it is
fervent skiff
and when the credits of mando season 2 hit they'll see the big "NEXT EPISODE" button
smash it
wary needle
Like no normal person is gonna expect that Grogu and Din have primary focus in TBOBF
fervent skiff
skip the recap cause they just binged the last season
and then they see the opening
and at the end mando shows up in a new ship and ur like "oh he got a new ship" and then the kid pops out and your like
like
this is
wary needle
I thought it was weird as hell when fans defended the decision
fervent skiff
so fucking dumb
I actually have a personal vendetta against BOBF for this
if it was just 5 episodes of its own show
it would be okay
it would be a fun show
grand thunder
It amazes me how Disney can make this many bad decisions but then somehow give us Andor
fervent skiff
but because it turns into a DIFFERENT SHOW for 2 episodes
i lost all respect for it
its actually disgusting
wary needle
"Another weird thing that I've seen is, if you criticize the show, if you say, like, 'I wish there was more of Boba Fett in The Book of Boba Fett,' you'll have a bunch of Twitterererers coming at you? Like, how is that not a relatively valid criticism? Two episodes of The Book of Boba Fett don't have Boba Fett in them really at all, and people are really upset about people pointing that out, and saying that they wish they saw more Boba Fett in The Book of Boba Fett? I mean, if we can't say even a simple minor criticism about a lack of title character in a show about title character, then what are we allowed to critique? Nothing? Seems a little goofy."
-HelloGreedo
grand thunder
I remember a guy defending the decision saying that this is more like "Star Wars the show" and not really focused on one thing. 1.WTF does that even mean and 2.IT'S LITERALLY CALLED "THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT"
fervent skiff
the best thing about this episode by far
is that it once and for all disproved the world between worlds canon retconning "LEAK"
wary needle
I remember a guy defending the decision saying that this is more like "Star Wars...
“It’s like an interlude in a book or a book in the Bible”
fervent skiff
that dumbasses have been peddling for YEARS
fervent skiff
I remember a guy defending the decision saying that this is more like "Star Wars...
i'd actually slap that person irl
wary needle
I’m honestly glad I’ve come out realizing I’m fine with the World Between Worlds in other places but just not how it’s used in the episode of the same title
fervent skiff
maybe not everyone should be allowed to vote
wary needle
I hate democracy
grand thunder
On that point, I'm wondering where the hell all the different doorways were in this episode?
That kind of bothered me
wary needle
Idk I just look at it like the Red Room in Twin Peaks here
Maybe it doesn’t always need a literal door
fervent skiff
On that point, I'm wondering where the hell all the different doorways were in t...
who cares
grand thunder
Or maybe the world between worlds appears differently depending where you enter
fervent skiff
doesnt even look like the WBW from rebels anyway
grand thunder
Probably the most likely
wary needle
I thought it looked enough like it
wary needle
It’s funny how it looks more vibrant in live action than in animation
fervent skiff
i loved it that way in animation tho
it was so simple and trippy and like
oh
idk
UNIQUE?
now its just light bridges from portal
or literally light bridges from FUCKING LITERALLY ANYTHING
wary needle
Haven’t people been saying Kanan’s vision of the Grand Inquisitor and other stuff like that are also part of the World Between Worlds?
fervent skiff
star wars somehow continues to impress me on the ways it can suck the personality out of anything it converts from animation to live action
its actually nuts
fervent skiff
Haven’t people been saying Kanan’s vision of the Grand Inquisitor and other stuf...
idfk this shit is just to far imho anyway
wary needle
Honestly, I didn’t really think it looked different when I watched
wary needle
Like, it hasn’t been that long since I last rewatched Rebels
But when I saw it here I was like “oh it looks just like it”
fervent skiff
😭
wary needle
Maybe it was the original colors at the end of episode 4? Idk
grand thunder
At the very least when I saw it in episode 4, I was like "Oh hey it's the wbw" so they got the bare minimum down lol
fervent skiff
same but
wary needle
I think they were probably trying to have the color palette also echo the iconography of the end of The Rise of Skywalker. That’s my guess
fervent skiff
i noticed immedately something was weird about it
when they walk in rebels
little white circles ripple out
and in live action its just warbly blue waves
wary needle
Thing is I don’t think the WBW is supposed to be like generic Star Wars planet that just looks the same everywhere
So I’m fine with it having different looks. Makes it feel bigger
fervent skiff
I just wish we never revisted it at all
grand thunder
Like I said it may very well be a case of the wbw appearing different depending on where you enter a doorway
fervent skiff
im glad ahsoka literally had to like, DIE to get there
wary needle
I mean, I was wishing that beforehand and came out of it thinking opposite lol
wary needle
Maybe the real world between worlds is the HelloGreedo Discord server
fervent skiff
the most hyped i've been
was episode 4 when sabine hands over the map and they jump away
because thats NEW SHIT
grand thunder
Now this raises the question of whether all capable force users go to the world between worlds after death
And perhaps that segways into force ghosts and whatever
wary needle
You know that’s never gonna get answered lol
fervent skiff
i think thats how it works
anakin was there
ahsoka went there after falling, she was probably dead for a second like in movies
lmfao
that why neather of them were glowy blue but could still switch forms, they were both force ghosts
wary needle
I’m still not sure if it’s actually Anakin or some manifestation like the Grand Inquisitor as a Jedi Temple Guard again
fervent skiff
my guess is that when anakin died, he met obi-wan here and thats where he learned how to become a force ghost for real
cause you know, he died before he learned how to do that
fervent skiff
because the prequels made being a force ghost a fucking skill you had to learn cause of fucking course they did GEORGE LUCAS
fervent skiff
Well the new From a Certain Point of View book
only halfway canon
grand thunder
I’m still not sure if it’s actually Anakin or some manifestation like the Grand ...
That's the part I'm trying to figure out because if it is actually Anakin, I feel like he'd have a lot more to discuss with Ahsoka
wary needle
So in the old EU, there were these books titled The Rise and Fall of Darth Vader, and The Life and Legend of Obi-Wan Kenobi
fervent skiff
its in the semi-canon region
wary needle
Those had Anakin as he was dying be reached out to by Kenobi’s ghost, who offers to show him how to become a ghost
grand thunder
And also why would actual Anakin fuck with Ahsoka by having a red saber and switching between Vader and Anakin, that screams force manifestation to me
fervent skiff
yeah which is what i think happens in the WBW when anakin dies prolly
wary needle
Now, in the newly released From a Certain Point of View, there’s a story that’s kinda similar to that from what I remember
It doesn’t mention the word between worlds
fervent skiff
but thats maybe where they met
wary needle
But what’s fun about it is how surprised Anakin is by the Jedi robes he’s never worn
fervent skiff
lmfaoo
wary needle
And they chalk it up to the Jedi robes choosing him, showing that he is worthy of redemption
I thought it was a heartwarming way of depicting something that always seemed goofy
wary needle
And also why would actual Anakin fuck with Ahsoka by having a red saber and swit...
Yeah I really do think it’s a Force manifestation
Ghost Ben never wielded a lightsaber. But then again, ghost Yoda summoned lightning
grand thunder
because the prequels made being a force ghost a fucking skill you had to learn c...
Always makes me wonder what happens to the jedi that don't learn, do they just get booted to force hell?
wary needle
I mean, we hear some of their voices in TROS
grand thunder
Yee but that's a small portion when you take into consideration the size of the order
wary needle
There was actually a small part of me expecting Ahsoka in the WBW to say what she says to Rey in TROS as a way of explaining why her voice is there lmao
grand thunder
That's another thing that I think is a bigger omission from this version of the wbw, all the voices that range from all across the franchise
wary needle
I just chalk it up to being a different section
It’s not near doorways/portals or whatever
I just want them to show a section that’s like the rainbow road from Mario Kart
grand thunder
Twitter
wary needle
Lol classic Eckhart
fervent skiff
Always makes me wonder what happens to the jedi that don't learn, do they just g...
they become one with the force
force ghost is a skill that allows you to keep a bit of your original self alive inbetween the cosmic force (magic stuff) and the living force (reality as we know it) so you can guide the living in the living force
wary needle
This actually does kind of remind me of how in TBOBF I wasn’t entirely clear on what Boba Fett wanted to be.
Like his father or unlike his father?
fervent skiff
but even then you are still part of the force so you only appear to serve the force's will
cause you are part of it than
fervent skiff
Like his father or unlike his father?
unlike his father
still dont know why hes a crime boss instead of just like
idk becoming the mayor and running the place from a legitimate position of power?
wary needle
still dont know why hes a crime boss instead of just like
Because it’s really cool
wary needle
Might’ve seemed too much like Greef Karga
crystal pebble
He was meant to be unsure of what he wanted to be until the finale, but Favreau didn't write it so well
fervent skiff
He was meant to be unsure of what he wanted to be until the finale, but Favreau ...
probably cause they detoured to be the mandalorian for 2 fucking episodes
i'll never forgive TOBF
wary needle
They really could’ve spent those episodes exploring the rivalry with Cad Bane that casual fans don’t know about and given more personality to the bikers
grand thunder
i'll never forgive TOBF
BOBF definitely played a part in my dislike of Mando season 3, the whole time I was like "Man I hate that Grogu is here"
crystal pebble
If they just had Bane kill the Tuskens for the Pykes
fervent skiff
they should have done flashbacks with Daniel Logan coming back to play a young boba where he fights cad bane
hell do the clone wars arc but place it later in the timeline
show the audience he got the dent from bane!
wary needle
Even though TBOBF affected season 3, I still prefer 3 over season 2
fervent skiff
dude just saying that shit made me so depressed cause if that shit happened i'd actually love the fucking show
wary needle
I kinda want them to do Tales of the Bounty Hunters in animation to tell that
grand thunder
I'll never get over them giving payoff to a scene from an unfinished arc of CW
crystal pebble
Funnily enough, TBOBF was originally meant to be a season 3 arc, that was just stretched out for a new show
grand thunder
That too
wary needle
I think what we’re realizing is some of Star Wars is payoff to stuff a small portion of fans really know about
It’s like being in on a joke
fervent skiff
i think obi-wan kenobi is actually the worst show so far, but i prefer it over TOBF because at least it is its own show
fervent skiff
I think what we’re realizing is some of Star Wars is payoff to stuff a small por...
no
grand thunder
And not to mention as part of that derailing, massively lessening the impact of really all of Mando season 2
fervent skiff
NOW star wars is payoff like that
they're putting all their eggs in the basket of ULTRA NERD fans
like us
which is not what star wars has ever been
sure there have always been massive nerds like us
crystal pebble
Favreau saying he struggled to write Fett so he brought back Mando... like what, have someone else write then 
fervent skiff
but its the BIGGEST FRANCHISE IN THE WORLD
because
ANYONE can watch it
this is becoming no longer the case!!
wary needle
Honestly this has been going on as far back as Solo and even Rebels
fervent skiff
Solos only mistep was maul
if you removed that it would still be a coherant narrative
you cant do that with TOBF
cause it derails
FOR 2
EPISODES
of 7.
grand thunder
i think obi-wan kenobi is actually the worst show so far, but i prefer it over T...
I prefer Obi-Wan because even though I'm not the biggest fan of it, at least it kind of knew what it set out to do while BOBF seems constantly at odds with itself
fervent skiff
I prefer Obi-Wan because even though I'm not the biggest fan of it, at least it ...
exactly
grand thunder
But both are shows I have no desire to revisit anytime soon
fervent skiff
seems to me they were like "well people want a boba fett solo story, and we canned the movie so.. we gotta make a boba fett show"
and then just
started making it
lmfaoo
wary needle
Yeah I prefer it too. Still felt weird in places though. It’s a show that feels like it was made in 2007. And my opinion of it would be higher if it weren’t for episodes 4 and 5.
fervent skiff
oh my god yeah dude the production value on obi-wan
it makes it the worst
story issues aside
bobf is like
a better show
wary needle
Well not just that. Like, the lack of TCW mentions and focusing on the PT made it feel like it was made pre TCW
fervent skiff
i just personally prefer obi-wan (i'd rather watch neither to be honest with you) because BOBF is literally not its own show
what they should have done (ESPECIALLY if they were going with the whole "anyone can be the titual Mandalorian" in the show like with season 3 bo-katan) is had Mando be in the story from the start and literally just make TOBF season 3 of the mandalorian
just do that
our season 3 could be season 4
wary needle
It feels like they realized they made Mando, a show where a character does all the things one would expect Boba Fett to do, and then they kinda weren’t sure what to do with Boba Fett that wouldn’t feel like a rehash.
fervent skiff
then people wouldnt be confused watching the mandalorian in fucking order like a normal fucking show
crystal pebble
Honestly, if they cut up episodes 3 and 4 of TBOBF and made one new episode with bits of both, the show would be stronger for it
fervent skiff
im so mad
i think the reason im so mad at TOBF is because not only do the 2 mando episodes RUIN the book of boba fett
but the shit that happens
is so important
grand thunder
God thinking about the utter messiness of these shows makes my head hurt
fervent skiff
to the mandalorian
that it also ruins the mandalorian too
lmfao
its insane
they butchered the flow of both shows with one show 😭
crystal pebble
The mayor didn't hire the assassins, the Hutts did, oh wait it was the mayor 💀
fervent skiff
im going crazy
this is actually making me evil
im gonna start plotting to destroy the universe
we've lost universe privileges
honestly talking about TOBF has made me like ahsoka slightly more (this new episode being a derailment still upsets me)
crystal pebble
The art one 
fervent skiff
amazing
grand thunder
Visions is the most criminally underrated disney era project
wary needle
Would it be accurate to say Visions is the most creative out of all the Disney Star Wars shows?
crystal pebble
Visions put bras and undies in Star Wars 
grand thunder
The High Republic
I should clarify in terms of movies and shows
wary needle
I’m mostly caught up on THR
fervent skiff
FREE TRAILS ON EVERY FUCKING YOUTUBERS PAGE
grand thunder
Books are niche so I didn't factor them in
fervent skiff
DO IT
wary needle
Think there’s a new short story collection out
crystal pebble
The Ronin novel for Visions is good
fervent skiff
im reading more of phase 2 than i did of phase 1 first time around so its taking awhile
grand thunder
I do intend to read high republic shit at some point
wary needle
I thought Ronin novel was middle of the road. But I like they’re willing to tell books set outside of main continuity
fervent skiff
I do intend to read high republic shit at some point
Nows the perfect time ✨
phase 3 is starting up
grand thunder
I haven't read Ronin yet but yeah telling non canon stories in books is based
fervent skiff
THR is organized kinda like the skywalker saga
Phase 1 = Originals
Phase 2 = Prequels (100ish years before stuff in phase 1)
Phase 3 = Sequels (Starts about a year after the end of phase 1)
grand thunder
Interesting
grand thunder
So I've heard
fervent skiff
start with the phase 1 adult trilogy
wary needle
I’ve really enjoyed some of the books, but I sometimes feel like I’m enjoying the comics a bit more
fervent skiff
(Light of the Jedi, The Rising Storm, & The Fallen Star)
If you like those, branch out from there, either read the stories between the main adult ones (comics and young adult novels and such) or start the adult novels of phase 2
whatever interests you after that
fervent skiff
I’ve really enjoyed some of the books, but I sometimes feel like I’m enjoying th...
i gotta finish the comics
i've been reading dr. Aphra and x-men recently so its been difficult to keep up
that and ahsoka airing and futurama and fionna and cake
grand thunder
(Light of the Jedi, The Rising Storm, & The Fallen Star)
If you like those, bran...
Already own Light of the Jedi so there's a start but I had always intended to start there anyhow as it was the first novel in the era
grand thunder
But I'll keep in mind to read those other two following it
fervent skiff
my personaly favorite is the rising storm
but light of the jedi got me hooked
im actually gonna be working on some high republic robes
btw modern jedi are dead to me
high republic jedi aesthetic all the time every day
wary needle
btw modern jedi are dead to me
Pretty sure almost all of them are dead
fervent skiff
the look
grand thunder
One question I keep asking myself is if there was a time where a Rebels sequel was gonna be just that, a rebels sequel and not be connected to other shows building up to some big event or whatever
fervent skiff
I think it probably was
the fans did this when they got super hyped by all the fucking characters in season 2 of the mando, disney saw that got dollars in the eyes
wary needle
The idea probably got tossed aside as The Mandalorian was being made
fervent skiff
they needed to MCU-ify it
grand thunder
Like I'm happy that we're getting back to these characters and continuing threads left from Rebels but the Mandoverse of it all seems tacked on
wary needle
They had to have had the Ahsoka series planned before Mando season 2
fervent skiff
in the documentary short thing they released for ahsoka dave said he was like "Well in the story mando needed to go see a jedi, and i asked well why couldnt that be ahsoka?"
so
lmfao
kill me
wary needle
I remember someone complaining about how the spin-off movies Rogue One and Solo were in different eras from the sequel trilogy. But like…I love Star Wars jumping around to different eras. That’s what the EU was.
grand thunder
goddamnit Dave
fervent skiff
GOD fucking DAMMit dave
grand thunder
I love ya but sometimes you tear my heart out
wary needle
Dave Baloney
fervent skiff
i dont love dave anymore
hes a good visionary just like George
but now hes surrounded by yes men
its the prequels all over
fervent skiff
hes literally George 2.0
i've been saying it for years
no one listened to me
he has his strengths AND weaknesses
he even cant direct acting 😭
grand thunder
I love Dave because he crafted CW and Rebels, two of my favourite Star Wars projects and that love I have can never be taken away, I've just been more critical of him as of recently
wary needle
There were little things here and there in those shows I was critical of him for, but I still loved them a lot
His flaws have been more noticeable in these newer shows
Even the Ahsoka episode of Mando season 2 I had issues with
fervent skiff
Personally as someone who didnt like rebels, i've been critical of dave since, but i dont blame that shows shortcomings on him but rather the platform of Disney XD (i hate that name) but recently its like
wary needle
God how is it half past midnight already lol
wary needle
What’s wrong with the name Disney Laughing Face?
fervent skiff
they had to take risks
to interesting things
try new things
see what works
but now they can just do whatever the hell they want so
art needs strife to be made
it needs sweat
tears
not blood its not the 1950s anymore but still
grand thunder
God how is it half past midnight already lol
fervent skiff
it should be HARD to make good shit
fervent skiff
God how is it half past midnight already lol
its 3:31 AM for me and i've been putting off my andor finale rewatch for this convo
what have i done
grand thunder
Honestly this might be it for my say in this, I should probably go to bed soon cause school, I've said all I wanted to say on the matter of this show but this was a nice discussion and thanks for hearing me out
wary needle
Yeah I should probably turn in too. Tbh it’s been a while since I’ve had a SW discussion go on this long
fervent skiff
my last thought is that the flashbacks where so smokey it felt really cheap like they were filming on a soundstage (they are)
wary needle
That was obvious. But it’s also a vision, so I’m not as fussed.
fervent skiff
the volume was cool for mando guys but please start using practicle sets again im begging you 😭
grand thunder
I'll just say that I hope this show sticks the landing cause I love these characters and want to see the payoff to the story that has been set up but I also have my worries for how exactly it'll be payed off. Idk I'm conflicted to say the least but anyways goodnight ya'll, shall be interesting to wake up to new reactions to the episode
wary needle
I’m starting to think maybe for some reason Ezra will never be able to return home. If it’s bittersweet, I hope it’s at least beautifully heartbreaking
crystal pebble
I just had this argument with a guy the other night about TWBW and how Filoni said you're never meant to know if it really even exists, and if it is it may only exist in your head
The other person was so adamant this wasn't the case because Ezra entered through a portal, and I said how do you know that really happened and it wasn't just artistic liberty?
Glad this episode proved his ass wrong 😤
cosmic cairn
🥹
Christensen did amazing in bringing back Episode 3 Anakin, clone wars Anakin and Vaders precise speech
"live or die" I'm not taking that literal. Live equals light and die is dark
crystal pebble
Hayden and Ewan really make lightsaber fights look cool in a way that none of the other actors can
Really shows how much of a gap there is between Gillard and the others since 
cosmic cairn
Christensen did amazing in bringing back Episode 3 Anakin, clone wars Anakin and...
And fuck Mace. That was Master Skywalker
crystal pebble
I mean, he technically is a Master now
He was never granted the title before because he never completed both his and Ahsoka's training
Yoda needed him to learn to trust in his padawan, and let go... which he has now
torpid stag
"live or die" I'm not taking that literal. Live equals light and die is dark
yeah i think it was said in a way where you're meant to interpret it in various ways. For me I saw "Live or die" as saying like "Do you want to live as Ahsoka or die as a soldier"
And when she tossed the saber aside and chose not to resolve the conflict by being a soldier, she was reborn as Ahsoka
really beautifully done
cause when we see Ahsoka next she's waking up at dawn, dons all white and doesnt have her sabers on her person. And she seems to be laughing and smiling a lot more like when she told Huyang to go inside the whale's mouth
valid blaze
You know, I really like the I guess poetry of siege of mandalore.
That was the time when ahsoka and anakin needed each other the most, and neither of them were there for each other.
It mirrors the night of a thousand tears, where sabine desperately needed ahsoka, and ahsoka needed her, and they weren't there for each other
raven sentinel
torpid stag
You know, I really like the I guess poetry of siege of mandalore.
That was the t...
man
so tru
it really kinda hit different seeing young ahsoka in the midst of war like that
like when it's animated you can kinda turn off the part of your brain thinking "child soldier killing people in war"
but she was just a little girl and she was being ordered to send clones to their deaths and to murder mandos during the siege
latent crag
Holy fuck, live action Captain Rex! Nice.
torpid stag
Holy fuck, live action Captain Rex! Nice.
phase 1 and 2 in the same episode
fucking lost it
latent crag
We love to see real life clone armour.
torpid stag
just putting this out there but i'd be a great stepfather to jacen. For no particular reason.
valid blaze
I wonder if next week we'll get an episode like this for sabine. Obviously not as long. But it would be nice to see how her and ahsoka actually interact and how the night of a thousand tears played out
torpid stag
nah but Jacen is interesting. i like him a lot to say i thought he was a weird monkey-boy in rebels
rose vapor
just putting this out there but i'd be a great stepfather to jacen. For no parti...
Tidy you should draw Hera
torpid stag
Tidy you should draw Hera
yknow i was just thinking that too
rose vapor
Exactly
latent crag
nah but Jacen is interesting. i like him a lot to say i thought he was a weird m...
Oh you mean when he looked like an Oompa Loompa?
valid blaze
Okay but the drip though
torpid stag
Oh you mean when he looked like an Oompa Loompa?
yes lmfao
torpid stag
Okay but the drip though
she looks so good 😭
valid blaze
I love the straight up samurai gauntlets
torpid stag
dont need no lightsabers when you're dripped out for a cosy autumn coffee break.
valid blaze
I said it last night, but I hope that outfits an additional style for ahsoka in fortnite
torpid stag
ooooooo
yeah thats a good shout
i could see that
god my internet better be working by the time the ahsoka missions start
valid blaze
The quests are gonna be hell 
One of them to be the first to land, open a chest and get a kill in a match
torpid stag
One of them to be the first to land, open a chest and get a kill in a match
ugh 
they better not be that type
just let them be passive ones that everyone can beat
torpid stag
oh they're leaked
goddamn it
okay yeah thats the only bad one
im p sure i'll beat them but it'll be annoying
valid blaze
I know there's a way to get into a lobby entirely with bots. So I might just do that and make it easy
torpid stag
yeah lol
if they let you do that ill just do that
im hoping they drop hera and sabine in the item shop the same time the ahsoka missions start but who knows
valid blaze
They technically don't. Its just an issue with how they've set up matchmakjng66
valid blaze
Basically you launch into a game with a new account in your party and you get matched with bots and new players
torpid stag
ahhh smart
hm wondering what backbling Ahsoka will have. Her cloak i guess?
or just the fulcrum logo in holographic white
valid blaze
Probably fulcrum logo or morai
torpid stag
oh morai would be really cool
could be like the lamp she had in mando with morai stiting on top of it
interactive
starts flying when you sprint
valid blaze
Glider will be the T-16
valid blaze
starts flying when you sprint
Can work like the pouka
torpid stag
Hera would have chopper obviously. Ghost Glider
Sabine could have her speederbike as the glider
backbling...
hm
valid blaze
Or a purgil glider
rose vapor
Rex<3
valid blaze
Hasbro really have no excuse not to give us a black series rex helmet now
solid pewter
Good episode, just finished it with my mom
I do not care how typical it is
I was very happy to see both phase I and II Rex
I am still thinking about what that whole sequence meant though
torpid stag
I do not care how typical it is
it was so typical that it felt untypical
it was just some good ass "that type" of star wars we've been missing since Rebels.
torpid stag
I am still thinking about what that whole sequence meant though
yeah i love that it leaves you hanging on a lot of things in this show
you have to figure stuff out. take away your own meanings
For me Anakin finishing Ahsoka's training involved running her through all her traumatic history as a child soldier and Anakin effectively asking her if thats all she wants for herself. If she wants her formative years as a soldier to paint her life, or if she can be more than that
she had to make a choice if she wanted to continue on the path as a soldier and risk losing herself to darkness as it goes, or to make her own name as her own person.
She chose not to be defined by the clone wars and threw anakin's saber aside.
Reborn as Ahsoka the white.
wary needle
I kind of wonder how many people would be mentioning the whole “Ahsoka the white” thing if Filoni had never mentioned the Tolkien parallels
wary needle
Yeah but I kind of get tired of people bringing it up all the time lol
wary needle
Do you think the reception for this episode would make Lucasfilm consider a live-action TCW movie or miniseries? I wouldn’t want it but I’m wondering if they’re feeling encouraged to do one.
valid blaze
Idk, it's not really necessary and I definitely don't need it. But it would ba ashame to waste the actors and costumes
wary needle
Just make a show about new characters who years later find the costumes and decide to wear them
🧠
fervent skiff
i dont see how that gif explains 😭
fervent skiff
like how is she a parallels to gandalf outside the rebirth and robe change like how are they actually parallels
im not trying to fight
fervent skiff
i just genuinely dont understand the character arc of the main character of the show
which i feel like should be like
the first thing you get right
lmao
torpid stag
what dont you understand about it
fervent skiff
what is there to understand?? like genuinely what is her arc? Cause at first you think its oh shes guilty over leaving sabine but this episode implies shes guilty about the clone wars and anakin? stuff that hasnt even been brought up in this show yet?? Like we see ahsoka being like "man i gotta stop a war and i need sabines help, but i abandoned her so thats rough" and then she falls off a cliff and she gets taught to...not be guilty about the clone wars and anakins fall?? Something that hasnt even been like, established in this show (sure if you've seen TCW and rebels you kinda get it) But you never see her actually being guilty over TCW stuff in this show
so like
why should be be hyped that shes suddenly free of said guilt
that wasnt even established in the first place
torpid stag
dude
her arc is the trauma of being raised as a child soldier from the age of 10 and then being given the opportunity to become more than the sum of those parts. All we've seen from her after TCW was her struggling in her various roles of trying to be a mentor, a savior or a mercenary, all of which kept re-eliciting that trauma of being a literal war general at 10 years old.
That last episode wasn't her getting over the various guilt she felt for her shortcomings, but giving herself a new lease on life with her existing skills she's acquired; not allowing her formative years as a child soldier to define her.
i really dont know how more on the nose it could be when they literally turn her back into a child to showcase this trauma
fervent skiff
but again
torpid stag
Anakin has a ton of quotes that lend credence to this. He wants Ahsoka to take on the positive aspects of her memories of him
torpid stag
"you're more than that because i am"
fervent skiff
like it wasnt established
torpid stag
when did they even MENTION her trauma
when they had multiple flashbacks to the fuckin clone wars? 
fervent skiff
they introduce her trauma THIS episode, and resolve it, THIS episopde
thats not the context thats literally my complaint 😭
fervent skiff
3 times
torpid stag
or read the ahsoka novel
fervent skiff
twice
torpid stag
or hell watch clone wars
torpid stag
yes you should what
Ahsoka isn't a show to watch in isolation
thats a horrible idea
fervent skiff
🗿
fervent skiff
it clearly is meant to be watched by people who havent seen those shows dude
torpid stag
ahsoka does expect the audience to know what is going on ahead of time
torpid stag
it clearly is meant to be watched by people who havent seen those shows dude
its like the ONLY show that doesnt do that 😂
its so blatantly a direct sequel to rebels
fervent skiff
they marketed this show twords live action mando fans with her cameo in s2 and in BOBF, the thrawn tease, and literally spent the first 2 episodes recapping rebels for those who didnt see it
so clearly
its not just for people who watched rebels
and if it is
fucking make it an animated sequel with the original actors
grand thunder
thats a horrible idea
Yes but then why is it live action? That implies they’re trying to draw in only viewers of live action but there’s so much context missing if you haven’t watched the animated stuff so extremely mixed signals
torpid stag
they introduced ahsoka to mando fans there not just to prepare them for the ahsoka show. They did so to give people ample time to go back and see the context needed for all the leadup for the future shows
fervent skiff
For me this shit is almost on the same level as live action disney remakes, in an insult to the animation industry and invalidates animation as a medium
fervent skiff
nah its on the same level for me
since this episode i've seen floods of people demaning live action clone wars
torpid stag
that is ridiculous to me but you do you
fervent skiff
the 9.4 rating of this episode is gonna reinforce the idea in disney that live action is taken more seriously than animation
which, it is
grand thunder
they introduced ahsoka to mando fans there not just to prepare them for the ahso...
But many simply do not care to do so, shit takes time to get through and if you’re not a Star Wars superfan maybe people don’t find it worth it
torpid stag
more people are watching ahsoka than watched rebels and TCW its just true
and how are you determining this after over a decade of non-reported viewership from both shows on other services
fervent skiff
IMDB reviews 
torpid stag
bruh
you think everyone who watched those shows on TV came online to write an imdb review
fervent skiff
its getting higher ratings than like any other star wars show dude
torpid stag
fervent skiff
well without them releasing stream numbers we dont really have much else to go on
torpid stag
okay stop spamming
lunar knoll
Livd action Kid Ahsoka wasnt too bad
torpid stag
so what
fervent skiff
same shit as live action disney remakes
torpid stag
its fucking not
fervent skiff
invalidating animation as a medium
lunar knoll
No need to fight guys. Be calm and collected, like Jedi
fervent skiff
No need to fight guys. Be calm and collected, like Jedi
villain arc™️ sorry
i dont make the rules
😎
lunar knoll
Anyways
torpid stag
TCW and Rebels were both animated for the sake of budgetting rather than there being an inherent purpose or reason for it to be animated.
When you make an animation typically I feel like there should be an artistic reason the show should be animated, be it in the style or depth of things you can do with the characters and world.
TCW and Rebels, while i love em, really could have worked just fine in live action. Very rarely do they actually take advantage of the medium of animation like something like Lion King for example.
So when Lion King becomes live action for no reason yeah thats stupid and literally everybody hates it.
It's the hubris of the director to think they're attempting to fix an animated product by enhancing it to live action, but it loses the point of the product in the process.
But when Filoni himself made TCW and Rebels and gets a chance to bring that side of the world to live action, that's not them invalidating animation or saying live action is superior, it's just more in line with the vision he wanted.
I mean for gods sake tales of the jedi, bad batch and visions aren't enough to make it clear they still hold animation in high regard?
fervent skiff
the fact they just shut down the team that animated the clone wars show says something :/
torpid stag
yeah that business is complicated
lunar knoll
They did?
torpid stag
and they put funds into the 3 other animated projects
fervent skiff
Bad batch is ending after this season, no word on tales of the jedi season 2
lunar knoll
I mean the clone wars show itself is hit or miss for me
torpid stag
Bad batch is ending after this season, no word on tales of the jedi season 2
you're using your own anxieties about the lack of updates on animated material to demonize Ahsoka
you have to see that
fervent skiff
you're using your own anxieties about the lack of updates on animated material t...
what
torpid stag
you just said
lunar knoll
Anyways about AHSOKA
torpid stag
you're personally insulted by the fact ahsoka isn't animated
fervent skiff
😭 what in the
torpid stag
you said that
fervent skiff
That doesnt mean im DEMONIZING ahsoka because of other animated shows??
lunar knoll
Animation is cool. Live action is cool. Lets all agree on that, shall we?
torpid stag
but it's a part of your larger point no? You feel like disney isn't respecting animation for some reason and in the same breath are using the fact ahsoka isn't animated as a point against it
fervent skiff
im judging ahsoka on its own merit, and frankly, it, being a sequel to an animated show, and directed by someone who has experience in animation... should be animated???
torpid stag
what difference does it make when the previous animated projects rarely actually made use of the animation medium?
if he has the budget to make it live action and he wants to
why not
why are you telling filoni what to do with his own projects
i dont understand
fervent skiff
like most of my issues with ahsoka would be solved if it was animated
- Wooden acting? Its cause filoni is better at directing voice actors
- Uningaging action? Its cause filoni doesnt know how to shoot action sequences in this medium.
- Disconnect with new actors? Wouldnt be an issue if it was the actors that already have time together and chemistry
- If this was animated, less casual SW fans would be confused hopping in with no context of not one, but 2 previous shows
grand thunder
TCW and Rebels were both animated for the sake of budgetting rather than there b...
I see what you’re getting at but since they did release as animated shows, that means something to people. People grew attached to the va’s and seeing other actors playing these animated iterations may not sit right with people due to that attachment and that’s a valid feeling imo. Like me for example, when Ahsoka dies I think it’d be the most fitting if Ashley got to send off the character but I don’t know if that’s what is gonna happen at this rate
torpid stag
like most of my issues with ahsoka would be solved if it was animated
1. Wooden ...
that is so weird to me
torpid stag
I see what you’re getting at but since they did release as animated shows, that ...
i understand that perspective to a point sure
dont agree
but i get that
fervent skiff
thats apart of it to for sure
is like
i should be feeling something
when ahsoka meets anakin as a ghost
like as a clone wars fan
that should get me hype
but its with two actors
that like, have no chemistry together and no history
torpid stag
this sounds meaner than I intend it to trust me, but that's a you problem i guess.
fervent skiff
so its a moment where they are banking on you being like "Oh its those two characters i know!" but its two DIFFERENT versions we've never seen interact
and on top of that
then ahsoka turns into another different actress
making the problem worse
its so jarring
valid blaze
Honestly this seems like an issue with you rather than the show. Because I disagree with basically everything. Especially with the action and acting
torpid stag
a lot of your complaints seem baked into your sense of disconnect and ability to identify with previous aspects.
which is fine
fervent skiff
i cant wrap my head around the idea that Haydan anakin and TCW anakin are the same person cause they just aint
torpid stag
i understand that
fervent skiff
but i also just dont think
torpid stag
i cant wrap my head around the idea that Haydan anakin and TCW anakin are the sa...
and i just
can
so we're at an impasse
fervent skiff
that an animated show thats part of the mandoverse storyline
building up twords the big bad of this era
mental osprey
0/10 episode needed a Glup Shitto
fervent skiff
making it NESSASARY to watch rebels and TCW to understand the live action plot
its just so mcu-ish to me
valid blaze
Honestly good
fervent skiff
like sorry in order to understand this star wars film you need to watch 7 live action shows, 2 animated shows and a novel 💀
like thats awful
torpid stag
Ahsoka is a sequel to Rebels. Idk at what point during the trailers with Hera and Chopper and the Mural and the constant talk of Ezra and Thrawn made anybody for once think they could jump in here and be fine.
fervent skiff
im sorry but thats just not what I think star wars should be, maybe thats a me issue but
valid blaze
Rebels and clone wars are the best star wars has to offer. If this makes more people watch it, who cares
fervent skiff
they're gonna lose that broad appeal that made star wars so popular to begin with :/
torpid stag
bruh
they made how many shows now
one is a sequel to a long-running plotline
a good chunk of the others you can watch in isolation just fine
fervent skiff
yup and the more they tie them together the less accessable they'll be for casual viewers @torpid stag
torpid stag
but ahsoka isnt that
fervent skiff
example
mental osprey
Rebels and clone wars are the best star wars has to offer. If this makes more pe...
Personally I think the rogue one scene with the giant tentacle Glup Shitto is the best Star Wars has to offer but idk maybe that’s just me….
torpid stag
Andor
fervent skiff
Mandalorian, at the end of season 2
torpid stag
Bad Batch
fervent skiff
directs you
twords mando season 3
however
SORRY
you gotta go watch THE BOOK OF BOBA FETT
to understand the story
torpid stag
the BOBF thing was stupid but thats not the fault of ahsoka lmao
mental osprey
the BOBF thing was stupid but thats not the fault of ahsoka lmao
Yes it was it was all Ahsokas fault
She did it
fervent skiff
this is building thrawn who is gonna be the big bad of this whole era
mental osprey
She did the book of boba fett
valid blaze
Okay, but like bobf was always intended as a mando s2.5. They were very clear about that. There's a reason why season 2 literally ends with a teaser
fervent skiff
if you wanna understand future mando stuf you're gonna need to watch this show
and for people like my dad, who just isnt gonna watch rebels or TCW, he will lose interest with ahsoka
and lose interest with the mandoverse
torpid stag
Ahsoka is gonna compound this issue do you not see that
so what you'd rather the shows dont tie into previous material?
dont get me wrong im all for more isolated one-off stories
fervent skiff
catering to the ultra nerd fans like us is gonna limit the audience and make it so star wars is trapped in a box
torpid stag
yeah and theyre doing that too
mental osprey
Okay what the actual fuck is a mandoverse
torpid stag
they're making shows you can watch in isolation as well as this ongoing plot
mental osprey
I didn’t know this shit was a separate universe now
fervent skiff
so what you'd rather the shows dont tie into previous material?
they can tie in it just shouldnt be NESSASARY to enjoy a new show. Theres plenty of star wars content that ties into other stuff whilst still being coherant as its own show
mando, TOBF, and Ahsoka are not that
even REBELS can be mostly understood without Clone Wars
torpid stag
idk why this is such a sticking point personally when we all know everybody here has seen everything
its weird to me
fervent skiff
idk why this is such a sticking point personally when we all know everybody here...
WE have
again
casual viewers
you know
torpid stag
yeah so why is that a complaint you have
torpid stag
forget them
valid blaze
Okay, but like mando s3 already set thrawn up. He can show up in the next season of mando or dave movie and general watchers will be fine, because they already know some big imperial is coming. Ahsoka just telling the story for those who want it
fervent skiff
forget them
torpid stag
forget the opinions of other people and focus on how you feel about stories and media and i promise you'll come out happier
fervent skiff
how i felt about the story is that its not a story that stands on its own
torpid stag
and i dont see how thats a criticism when it was never trying to be that
like yeah you can complain about the impact it MAY have on the brand
but thats seperate from the nature of the story itself
cause to a point i agree.
fervent skiff
but thats seperate from the nature of the story itself
again
my issue with the story
valid blaze
Me when a show about a character with decades of stories and a plot about completing a plothook from another show doesn't stand on its own
fervent skiff
is it doesnt stand on its own
again EVEN REBELS
a sequel show itself
stood on its own
Ahsoka just cant
fervent skiff
Ah yes they should only make stuff that caters to the ultra fans, i cant see ANYTHING going wrong with that :/
torpid stag
i really do not care that i have to watch another show to appreciate another show. thats how shit works
thats how a lot of media works
if ya wanna get into One Piece you dont start at chapter 630
you catch up
you go read it all
torpid stag
thats a LOT of series
no thats every series
thats run this long
with one canon to follow
fervent skiff
"oh you wanna read one piece?? sorry you gotta go read naruto AND dbz first sorry"
not even close to the same thing
torpid stag
bruh
valid blaze
again EVEN REBELS
Rebels kinda doesn't though? A common critique of the show is that it started off as its own thing, then started using clone wars stuff to draw in a larger audience. Like that's obviously not true, but the clone wars is basically mandatory viewing for rebels
fervent skiff
or more accurately
torpid stag
Filoni made TCW and Rebels and Ahsoka.
One Piece, Naruto and DB are different continuities, universes and authors entirely. thats a bad comparison
fervent skiff
Rebels kinda doesn't though? A common critique of the show is that it started of...
yeah but since they establish their own shit first, and explain stuff as the old stuff comes along
you can still understand the plot
cause it gives you that basic level knowledge
ahsoka doesnt do that
torpid stag
Rebels kinda doesn't though? A common critique of the show is that it started of...
Obi wan vs maul is completely fucking meaningless without having seen TPM and the latter seasons of clone wars.
So one would then assume the viewer had to have seen the previous 4-5 seasons of TCW ahead of maul coming back to that.
fervent skiff
but we still UNDERSTAND maul and obi-wans rivalry even if you didnt watch TCW, sure you get it BETTER if you did but in rebels they explain it well enough where you get the point
valid blaze
Also the entire ending with the mortis gods, everything with mandalore basically requiring clone wars to fully understand
torpid stag
filoni has made ahsoka for the fans he knows have stuck around this long. And to criticise him for that is so wild
grand thunder
Okay what the actual fuck is a mandoverse
It's comprised of Mando, BOBF and now Ahsoka and maybe some upcoming shows and it's all supposed to culminate with that Filoni movie
fervent skiff
filoni has made ahsoka for the fans he knows have stuck around this long. And to...
filoni made it for the rebels fans yeah i believe that, but the show is being marketing and pushed as the next chapter in the mandalorian storyline
torpid stag
but we still UNDERSTAND maul and obi-wans rivalry even if you didnt watch TCW, s...
you could easily make these same arguments about things like Hera being a widow though
fervent skiff
they very clearly want a broader audience for this
they are literally using this show to introduce the big bad for this era
torpid stag
filoni made it for the rebels fans yeah i believe that, but the show is being ma...
what the hell does it have to do with the mando storyline
fervent skiff
Oh my god
fervent skiff
no it aint
they're making season 4
and all these shows are gonna cross over into a movie
valid blaze
Well no, that's marketing. Marketing will always try and reach a as broad an audience as possible and make it appealing to them. Even if its not actually for them
torpid stag
ofc they are cause they like money but im talking about the story threads
fervent skiff
they've stated this multiple times
torpid stag
the plotlines of mandalorian really have absolutely nothing to do with ezra and thrawn. Like literally nothing aside from Ahsoka cameoing.
fervent skiff
in season 2, they introduce ahsoka and tease thrawn as the big bad, in book of boba fett, the once again bring back ahsoka to tease her show. Now its her show and they even have the same new republic ranger in it to tie it together, along with introducing thrawn, the bad guy of filoni's movie
fervent skiff
the plotlines of mandalorian really have absolutely nothing to do with ezra and ...
THEY LITERALLY TOLD US that this would tie into it dude
valid blaze
Yeah but as it stands, you probably won't need ahsoka to understand the upcoming thrawn storylines in mando s4 and the movie. BECAUSE MANDO S3 ALREADY SET HIM UP.
fervent skiff
they literally told us they are making a movie thats the "culmination" of this series of shows
its so mcu-esc its not even funny
fervent skiff
Yeah but as it stands, you probably won't need ahsoka to understand the upcoming...
set who up? thrawn?
season 3 doesnt set up thrawn at all
valid blaze
?????
torpid stag
bruh
fervent skiff
im so confused right now
torpid stag
are you fr
valid blaze
There's literally an entire scene dedicated to setting up thrawn
valid blaze
Gideon literally does all his shit because he's tired of waiting for thrawn
fervent skiff
my bad sorry forgot about that
so actually that proves my point more cause thats more interconnectivity lmaoo
fervent skiff
proves my point that mando isnt its own show anymore
torpid stag
which again is fine
fervent skiff
and star wars cant be coherant to casual viewers anymore
which
i dont think is fine at all
torpid stag
good thing they're making more than just one show at a time then
and not exclusively during one period of time
fervent skiff
its just so wack to me
that mando was its own thing
that tons of people loved
and now people just up and left
fervent skiff
i know so many casual fans who watched season 3 and were like "What the fuck"