Ahsoka

[raven sentinel]

They did it way better than in Obi-Wan

[rose vapor]

I don't think they did

[marble whale]

Seeing Anakin and Ahsoka on screen together in live action is so weird especially when you grew up with the Clone Wars and the idea of this even happening was pure fantasy lol

Always amusing with this show how some scenes look absolutely good for a Disney+ show while others look very rough around the edges and cheap

The score for this show is so good that I actively am excited when the credits come on at the end

[viscid sage]

im gonna suck kevin kiner so hard his dick pops off

[valid blaze]

Why's she holding her hand 😭
The shoulder would be more then enough

[ashen pivot]

Is that a threat or a treat?

[valid blaze]

Shippers are gonna go crazy with this

[viscid sage]

yes i am

[main ledge]

Omg another enemies to lovers ship

[viscid sage]

[main ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/frozone-never-heard-that-one-before-gif-11561148

[rose vapor]

They're in lovvve

https://tenor.com/view/neojno-kicking-freet-crush-texting-gif-25632498

[latent crag]

Now that you brought attention to it, it's kind of adorable.

[torpid stag]

so ignoring the actual reason I took this screenshot, do we know what that symbol is on hera's back yet?

[ashen pivot]

Red threepio

[viscid sage]

honestly some insane cameos in this show, not a minute in we see Blue CP30 from star wars and then in the next episode we see Red C3PCO from star wars

[ashen pivot]

Finally Star Wars is good

For once

[torpid stag]

wtf so he does have green hair

the lego set lied to me

(im catching up)

[ashen pivot]

Did you finish rebels?

[valid blaze]

Spectors symbol. Sabine has it on her jacket as well

[raven sentinel]

I’m just now realizing something… if Cut and Suu’s children having characteristics of both species, why doesn’t Jacen have that too?

[valid blaze]

Cut wasn't the father

Timeline doesn't work for him to have kids

[ashen pivot]

You realize the green hair is because of hera, right?

He doesn’t randomly have that

[raven sentinel]

Didn’t realize that, I thought he defected much later in the war than he actually did

[ashen pivot]

Tbf he’s pretty much their legal father

[torpid stag]

I did yeah ofc. But the lego ghost set coming out showed jacen with brown hair so I was confused.

i thought they retconned the green hair

guess not

(also ahsoka fighting ships in a spacesuit is the funniest but most badass thing omg.)

[ashen pivot]

Common concept art L 😔

[torpid stag]

why is this show called Ahsoka

its just "rebels 2 featuring a bunch of gorgeous women."

i mean that complimentary i love it so far

[ashen pivot]

Cause ahsoka is the manager of the rebels

[valid blaze]

Lego are cheap

Unlike the sets

[ashen pivot]

No in this case, it might’ve been a late change in show production. Could’ve been lego budgeting too. 50/50

[valid blaze]

Btw have they announced if shin and baylan are getting black series figures yet?
I may or may not need a shin one

[rose vapor]

I think Baylan's shoulder pad was spotted on Huyang's box

But nothing official

[valid blaze]

Nah its 100% just lego being cheap. Especially considering rey has the wrong lightsaber colour in that holiday set

[rose vapor]

Of either character in TVC, TRC, or TBS

[ashen pivot]

The lightsaber absolutely

Did anyone else assume there was already a yellow trans rod until 2019?

[torpid stag]

ahsoka looks good in a flightsuit

i wonder if they'll do a figure of that

[ashen pivot]

They should

[valid blaze]

Considering the "new" ahsoka figure is literally the exact same as the mando one. I doubt it

[torpid stag]

that episode made me wanna buy this

its a p rad ship and the minifigs are all pretty crucial

[valid blaze]

I got it day one

[torpid stag]

oh nice

how is it

does it have a dining table

[valid blaze]

Sucks how small it is, but it's a good set

Nah, the interior is just the cockpit and weapon storage

[torpid stag]

ah i figured lol

[ashen pivot]

I love the ships with spinny wings

[torpid stag]

same they're so fun

i might pick it up

but i've already been splurging

also haslab ghost

[valid blaze]

I'm tempted to get the shin/E wing set

[torpid stag]

yeah that looked tempting too

the E-wing especially

[valid blaze]

And I'm hoping they make more ahsoka sets though. Would suck if all we got were ships and no thrawn or ezra

[torpid stag]

guess it depends on the success of the series

[valid blaze]

I wouldn't mind if they did baylan and shin jedi shuttle though. Since we never actually got that ship during any of the clone wars waves

[ashen pivot]

Maybe they’re holding ezra and thrawn under lock and key until they appear in the show. They did the same thing for the giant droid in mando3

[valid blaze]

Maybe also a ahsoka vs baylan set. Since lego always love doing those mini dual sets

[raven sentinel]

I just wanna see my boy Rex in the show

[valid blaze]

Honestly at this point I don't think we're seeing the rest of the rebels cast until the end or dave movie

Rex I think could still happen. But we'd be pushing it really close

And If zeb was going to show up , it probably would have been this episode. But he didn't, so unless they call for backup, its joever

[mental osprey]

Why the fuck is Luke not a major player in like…any of this?

If I was Ahsoka I’d be like “yeah I want that guy to help me out”

Sorry guys, Luke is busy dicking off in the woods! Maybe next season!

[rose vapor]

He's making a new Jedi Order and finding Jedi across the Galaxy

I don't think he has time to find another Jedi and an Imperial Grand Admiral in another Galaxy

[ashen pivot]

I don’t understand the complaint. Yeah he’s busy dicking off in the woods. He can’t be everywhere

[rose vapor]

Exactly

Finding younglings alone must be exhausting

[torpid stag]

okay all caught up on ahsoka

seeing anakin...one of few times a star wars show has got me to tear up like that

even though we saw him in kenobi this hit different

why is ahsoka actually a good show

i was not expecting that

[viscid sage]

fuuuck… a shin and baylan tbs duo would go hard on a shelf…..

FUCK

marrok next to waffle face……..

FUUUCK

I DONT HAVE MONEY FOR MORE EXPENSIVE COLLECTIONS

[rose vapor]

Turtle's Glup Shitto's keep dying

[torpid stag]

Marrock going out the way he did was interesting though

like a nightsister zombie or something

[viscid sage]

in a rare turn of events marrok didnt become one of my certified glup shittos until i saw him become a fart cloud

thats what won me over

i need my farty sharty pookums

[rose vapor]

He voldemorted

[torpid stag]

im so glad i didnt buy into any of the theories about him being ezra or starkiller etc

he was a fart

[viscid sage]

fartkiller

[rose vapor]

Tf u mean buy? You think they filmed this episode in a week

[torpid stag]

i mean i didnt indulge people talking about it

lol

[viscid sage]

cant wait for doctor aphra volume 3087430373091 or something to confirm that marrok actually was starkiller

[torpid stag]

"Oh marrock is totally ezra"

[rose vapor]

That ain't a smart fella move, that's a fart smella move

[viscid sage]

i become a fart smella when im around marrok thats for sure

[rose vapor]

You simping for masked men again?

[torpid stag]

masks are hot

its just true

[rose vapor]

True

[viscid sage]

i just like saying out of pocket shit

marrok is just scrungly

now shin could do whatever she wanted to me

[rose vapor]

Marrok so pookie (I miss him)

[viscid sage]

except idk what she would want bc bro looks confused asf 24/7

[raven sentinel]

he farted out his marrokussy 😭

[rose vapor]

You're so real

[viscid sage]

nuh uh

[torpid stag]

Said it before but the ahsoka show is just several hours worth of beautiful women with good storytelling and for gods sake finally.

[rose vapor]

She's just happy to be here

[viscid sage]

she doesnt even know where “here” is

[torpid stag]

"I may have gone too far in a few places"

[ashen pivot]

Marrok is in a better place

[viscid sage]

a little fart cloud floating around in space

[ashen pivot]

Like ricky and morto

[viscid sage]

sure

i turned myself into a fart ahsoka! im marrick!

[rose vapor]

Gone like a fart in the wind. Poof!

[viscid sage]

https://tenor.com/view/tears-in-rain-like-tears-in-rain-blade-runner-gif-22292703

[rose vapor]

Fart (Ahsoka reference)

[ashen pivot]

Marrok was he fart fetish art we met along the way

[rose vapor]

Farrok

[viscid sage]

marrok inflation

[ashen pivot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/706231584612679781/1149140238279643149/My_Movie_2.mov

[rose vapor]

Marrok queefed to death

[viscid sage]

the way he shimmies is so fucking funny

[rose vapor]

He got the zoomies

[ashen pivot]

He’s chilly

[rose vapor]

Shimmy shimmy yah shimmy yah yah eh

[viscid sage]

https://tenor.com/view/marrok-defeated-ahsoka-rosario-dawson-star-wars-gif-5395638355056229777

its already a fucking gif

[ashen pivot]

Frozen ahsoka

[viscid sage]

she fucking clipped thru him

(genuinely why is she just standing like that😭)

[ashen pivot]

It’s a nerve gas. A last moment attack

[viscid sage]

big whoop, i rip that shit all the time

[rose vapor]

Turtle farts Nightsister gas

[glacial willow]

that shot is classic samurai movie stuff https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkkF6Zz67TE

[crystal pebble]

Din and Grogu just laughing at Ahsoka and Sabine being the most incompatible duo ever

[viscid sage]

i actually wonder if marrok and the inquisitor in TOTJ exploding like that is an homage to that excessive blood squirt lmao

[glacial willow]

i'd be willing to bet that's the case. i havent seen the tales of the jedi one but now im curious lol

[amber star]

Hey guys, help me remember here

Is Anakin ever like

Funny/charismatic in the movies? I can recall like a few lines where he's like "I had to pick out a speeder I really liked"

I GUESS "this is where the fun begins"?

But I feel like most of his charm/charisma comes from the cartoons. Would I be ignorant to say that? Are there moments I'm forgetting?

Vader I know has sort of a sadistic one-liner sense of humor

"Appology accepted."/"Be careful not to choke on your aspersions, Director."/"I find your lack of faith disturbing."
How could I forget "I have altered the deal. Pray I do not alter it again."

[ashen pivot]

He’s kinda funny in the first half of rots

[amber star]

Makes sense that cinema's baddest dad would crack a few dad jokes I guess

[ashen pivot]

Obi wan was just better than everyone else

[amber star]

Yeah Obi Wan was always sort of the witty wisecracker

Even in his later days too

[ashen pivot]

Wisecrack is an understatement. Dude was a serial killer of words

[amber star]

Oh no doubt no doubt

Dude's wit could cut more than his lightsaber

[viscid sage]

if anakin was more charismatic in tcw, obi wan was on another level

[crystal pebble]

It was a good choice lol

[torpid stag]

https://tenor.com/view/ahsoka-space-suit-t6-shuttle-lightsaber-gif-15439326109363877412

me when someone clips my car and we both stop

[viscid sage]

https://open.spotify.com/track/3m5ca9grVZLGJJZ4d6ySYQ?si=smRaL2n4RA-YcrFKf6uPQA

listening to the TOTJ score and the 2 minute mark in this track is literally this show’s theme lmao

right there the whole time

[valid blaze]

Theres a picture of kanan in the ghosts cockpit 😭

I'm killing myself

Why dave

[torpid stag]

i really gotta rewatch rebels

[valid blaze]

I can't tell if it's the rebels model, if they actually got Freddie in costume or if its just someone that looks somewhat like him

Also looks like it's from after he cut his hair. Who the fuck took the time to take a picture of him after that

[torpid stag]

wait whats this from? lol

[valid blaze]

Episode 4

[torpid stag]

nani

[valid blaze]

You can see it for a split second before hera walks in

[torpid stag]

wtf

i dont remember that one sec

internet chooses now to not load D+

keeps crashing while im trying to get to the part lol. my internet is so shit rn

is it like when she's about to go get on the ghost?

or what

when would they have had a random kanan flashback

i seriously dont remember anything like that

[valid blaze]

It's the wide shot of the cockpit when they first enter the ghost. You can see it right before hera walks into frame

[torpid stag]

oOooooohh i see it im dumb

right right thanks

idk why but i was looking for some sneaky shot of Kanan literally sitting in the seat before hera walks in lmao. I didnt notice the actual photograph of him

[valid blaze]

💀

[torpid stag]

okay realtalk, and stop me if this is just me being Tidy..

but are there a lot of ass shots in this show?

like genuinely

taking off the thirst it feels like there actually are

[valid blaze]

Yeah there are

[torpid stag]

Filoni you scoundrel

not just hera but even ahsoka and sabine have had a chunk of em

i mean im not complaining..yet
it feels subtle enough to not be just creepy for now.

but if it persists i might start looking at filoni like

downbad mf

and so am I

[valid blaze]

"Subtle"

[torpid stag]

lmfao

fair

well subtle in the sense of like "could be an honest mistake"

well not mistake

just not something conscious

but nah im thinking it's conscious

mfw all the chuddy grifter youtubers complaining about political correctness are probably ignoring all this sexualization of female characters that they so badly wanted.

[valid blaze]

you know, i love how sabine just fucking throws herself to the ground to dodge shin strike

[crystal pebble]

Chopper took the picture 😅

[turbid drum]

They are wearing trousers, everyone knows the only type of sexy involving a woman's derrière is anime upskirt panty shot, possibly of a minor.

They managed to ignore that they went with the supermodel version of She-Hulk rather than one of the more muscular versions.

[torpid stag]

chad shape-conforming-pants enjoyer.

virgin "skin = sexy" fan

[main ledge]

https://x.com/1610spldey/status/1699634039408189926?s=46&t=nK2RzESKnrKCyg9YOGR8jQ

javi (@1610SPlDEY)

just found out hera has a picture of kanan on her dashboard in the ghost, nobody touch me #ahsoka

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Twitter · Sep 7, 2023, 4:01 AM

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[raven sentinel]

Who is that actor in that picture?

[main ledge]

Imagine if Kanan just asked Ryder to take a picture of him before he left lmao

[ashen pivot]

It’s Kanan

[turbid drum]

How can you tell? It's blurry enough it could be a picture from before he got blinded, he seems to still have the goatee.

[valid blaze]

you can see its his season 3 and onwards clothes and he doesn't have a beard

[turbid drum]

I'm pretty sure they used a picture of the 3D model with some added detail, it wasn't meant to be seen in close up.

[main ledge]

https://x.com/starwars/status/1699815025408348283?s=46&t=nK2RzESKnrKCyg9YOGR8jQ

Star Wars (@starwars)

See Carson Teva in @AhsokaOfficial, a Star Wars Original series, now streaming on @DisneyPlus.

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Bro shows up in everything

We got this mf but not Zeb

[valid blaze]

carson my favorite mandoverse gulp shitto

put him in everything

[main ledge]

Watch him show up in Skeleton Crew

[raven sentinel]

He even showed up with Zeb in Mando and yet we didn’t even get our Lasat daddy in the right show

[valid blaze]

honestly i'm wondering about the timeline. like they said it was during mando s3. but the timeline doesn't work with carson unless its after

[main ledge]

I’m sorry

Our Lasat what

[main ledge]

Well it could be after that episode where he warns Mando about the pirates

So still technically in S3

[raven sentinel]

This mf is all over the place

[viscid sage]

in the literal intro shot for sabine the camera goes out of its way to pan over to her ass as it tilts up to her face 💀

[torpid stag]

https://tenor.com/view/dave-filoni-writing-fire-mandoverse-ahsoka-gif-8260863667267756397

[viscid sage]

[torpid stag]

i will not condone the oversexualization of these actors and characters. it is taking us back in history where women were objectified for their physical traits

[rose vapor]

"treating myself to 19-inches of Lastat" - Kallus

[ashen pivot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/706231584612679781/1149398055829909616/Sci-Fi_Memes-09_07_23-1-2.jpg @rose vapor

[solid pewter]

Carson is becoming my favourite Glup Shitto

[rose vapor]

Literally me

[solid pewter]

Carson A Star Wars Story

[ashen pivot]

He’s like a space grandpa

[valid blaze]

He's space iroh

[solid pewter]

I love him

He just keeps appearing for no reason

[ashen pivot]

You don’t need a reason to be good company

[tired vector]

blud is the nick fury of the mandoverse

[rose vapor]

"You think you're the only mercenary I have hired to fight Imperial Remnant"

[solid nest]

Anyone else thinking that Anakin's appearance is more of a test for Ashoka than anything else? Like how Luke had to face "Vader" on Dagobah, this is just a trial for Ashoka to let go of her guilt for leaving Anakin and the Order? Considering how Anakin is dressed (Mustafar, having Vader's saber) and how the dialogue between Ashoka and Baylan in their duel was all about Anakin, I wonder if the Anakin we see at the end of the episode is just a Force-mask over Vader

[wary needle]

Might explain why he looks off

Like sometimes I look at the pic and he looks normal and other times he looks completely CGI

Idk wtf is going on

[main ledge]

https://x.com/sheevthan/status/1699817741899776388?s=46&t=nK2RzESKnrKCyg9YOGR8jQ

Ethan 🦎 (@sheevthan)

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Twitter · Sep 7, 2023, 4:11 PM

Did they just use the same exact photo

[valid blaze]

Thank you discord

[amber star]

Nooooooo is there??

Can you show me??

[amber star]

Ok I'm with you

Murder suicide pact right now let's go

David you can't do this to me

[ashen pivot]

[amber star]

I don't know if I ever expressed my take after watching

But honestly beat episode so far

Omg

Can't wait for next week

[valid blaze]

It would be really funny if next week anakin just doesn't know who the fuck thrawn is, despite meeting him as both anakin and vader

[torpid stag]

Ahsoka being actually good-good is unexpected but im happy

like i like the "bad" shows

but ahsoka is honestly looking to be some of the best

[ashen pivot]

“Wait he was blue? I couldn’t see shit through those lenses”

[valid blaze]

Me mentioning thrawn boyfriend in media has made me wonder if we'll see eli

I doubt it since he's with the ascendancy

But I also really want the story line the books set up to be finished, but it gets less likely every day. Especially considering either this or dave movie will likely end with thrawn death

[hushed oak]

Just finished watching episode 4.
This episode is very good and very exciting. I like the storyline, plot, and subplots.
One of my favorite scenes is the lightsaber fight scene between Ahsoka and Marrok, Wren and Hati, and the dogfight scene between Syndulla and the New Republic fighting with the Eye of Sion and Ahsoka with Skoll.
Finally, Anakin appears in Ahsoka's dream.

[mental osprey]

Keep rewatching the Baylan vs Ahsoka fight. Might be my new favorite duel.

Feels like everything a good lightsaber duel should be. It begins in silence with the music slowly building, and the use of actual lightsaber form, as well as not being too over the top or flashy.

[tired vector]

Prediction

Ahsoka is having her Gandalf moment

Falling to her "death"

Dave loves his Tolkein shit

She's gonna come back as Ahsoka the white

And ride the Purgills like the damn eagles

When I saw it panning toward Ahsoka lying down and waking up the first thing it reminded me of was that one shot in two towers where Gandalf is naked and it looks like he just got the best sloppy of his life

[viscid sage]

the fact that dave filoni has literally used this term is pretty good evidence lmao

and with her grey robes rn

that would actually be kinda fun lol

[ashen pivot]

But she was ahsoka the white already

[fervent skiff]

might get some hate

but i was loving the newest episode (best episode by far imho) until the ending. The ending 100% took me out of it and im not only extremely worried about where the plot is going but am completely unimpressed by said ending

[fervent skiff]

shin and baylan are the best part of the show by far

hope we get to know more about them

[viscid sage]

next ep better be amazing

[fervent skiff]

i was just so hyped when they were going to the new galaxy cause im like

"YES! NEW STUFF!!"

Sabine joining the bad guys, also amazing!

like new things

yes finally

then

its just "HEY GUYS REMEMBER ANAKIN?! REMEMBER THAT GUY-" and it just lost me

its like they cant help themselves but go back to old stuff

its maddening

[viscid sage]

my gripe is they havent done anything to indicate that her relationship with anakin is super significant to her in this show in particular

i hope theres something in the next ep to justify why that matters in this chapter of her story

[fervent skiff]

my gripe is that we've never even seen these two in these forms interact, like, im attached to TCW anakin and ahsoka's relationship, not haydan and rosario's, who have never met before lmao

and they made anakin look more like is TCW counterpart too? Its like a copy of a copy at this point

[viscid sage]

the jump to live action was so weird man

there are things i like about it ofc, mainly just bc im a vfx nerd, but i dont think i’ll get over it lol

i mean they got a fucking spiderverse director, imagine what that wouldve been like animated

[fervent skiff]

this show should have just been animated. Who is this show even for?? my issues with the flat acting and the poor action directing would be solved in animation. The characters are all from animation, the PLOT is a direct continuation of an animated show! Who is this show for if not just the animation fans??

Its just continueing the Live action >> animation narrative because this jump to live action is somehow seen as an upgrade

[viscid sage]

https://tenor.com/view/rpg-maker-fes-rpg-maker-fes-mario-and-luigi-gif-13146118441822753995

[hushed oak]

The auto-spinning lightsaber technique that the Inquisitors had is once again proved to be this. It was great for intimidating common criminals and the young, untrained Jedi who made up the bulk of the galaxy's surviving Jedi during the reign of the Empire, but it's a worthless tactic against a seasoned Jedi who isn't afraid of an Inquisitor. Kanan was able to defeat the Grand Inquisitor when he used the tactic out of desperation during their final duel, and here, Ahsoka does the same with Marrok when he pulls it. The smile on Ahsoka's face implies this was exactly what she was waiting for to strike him down
The first introduced Inquisitor, the Grand Inquisitor, perished when he tried to use his lightsaber spinning against Kanan. Marrok, the last known surviving Inquisitor chronologically, is killed when he tries the same again with Ahsoka.
Ahsoka warns Sabine about Thrawn potentially returning as heir to the Empire. His first appearance was in the Legends novel Heir to the Empire.

But I'm really so glad to meet Carson again; he appeared in The Mandalorian.

[rose vapor]

She got me kicking my feet in the air

[valid blaze]

I am kinda expecting next week to slow down a bit and essentially partially fill in the time gap after rebels and catch people up on anakin and ahsoka relationship

||there was also some casting like last year for a young ahsoka. So it makes sense||

[latent crag]

It will never happen thankfully, but if this show ended up actually retconning the sequels, I would actually be a little bit disappointed.

[main ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/frozone-never-heard-that-one-before-gif-11561148

[turbid drum]

Frankly? best explanation I can find is that the emperor effectively died in epVI and what we see in IX is some abomination created by the cultists on Exogol that existed for ten/fifteen years max.

Like, at that point in the story Palpy is effectively dead so they can't exactly perceive him and force ghosts aren't omniscent, according to Obi Wan Anakin could not be redeemed for example.

[latent crag]

You know what? That's a better idea, he's not a clone exactly, just a morbid-creation by a fanatic cult. With Snoke being a foil before they can perfect their ideal leader.

[valid blaze]

Novel for episode 9 confirmed he died and immediately transferred his soul to exegol

There is also the vader comic that has him going to exegol, so everything was being planned for years

[latent crag]

See, I don't like that Vader visited Exegol because it makes him look like an idiot when he turns to the light but doesn't inform Luke of it's existence.

[viscid sage]

yeah i dont get the purpose of that

did he know what it was for and everything

[latent crag]

I feel even if he didn't know, he still would have had the foresight to warn Luke.

The comic books are inconsistent as shit.

[valid blaze]

He saw the fleet construction and parts of the cloning. But I don't think he ever had a 100% idea of that was going on

[turbid drum]

He only saw that the empror had people collecting Sith artifacts there.

Like, the Emperor showed him stuff to flex on him but enever quite explained what was going on.

[valid blaze]

Also I don't like the idea "of well if vader knew all this he should have told luke" like bruh he way dying, he isn't gonna exposition dumb when he clearly wants to spend his last moments with his son 😭

He also appeared to luke anyway when he actually got to exegol. So bruh

[turbid drum]

Also for what he knew nothing could proceed now that the chief bastard was dead.

[latent crag]

Agree to disagree, I prefer if Vader just didn't know about it.

[wary needle]

Yeah Vader visiting Exegol was stupid

[valid blaze]

He was basically like "haha I'm doing mad science and not letting you in on any of it"

I mean, the pathfinder thing to exegol was literally at vaders Castle in the movie. He obviously had access either way

[wary needle]

Even though I haven’t liked the World Between Worlds, I can sort of get behind it if it turns out Palpatine’s clone came from the past, and then Vader somehow knew about its demise, before he ends Palpatine himself. Then again, that’s still convoluted.

[valid blaze]

That's not how the world between worlds works, its not time travel

Also palpatine went through several clone, cause done of them could actually contain him and began decomposing quickly

[wary needle]

I still don’t get the argument of how it’s not time travel. Like, I get that Ahsoka didn’t go to the future technically, but it allowed someone from the future to interact with someone from the past.

Filoni can say it’s not time travel, and I can say a potato is not a vegetable.

[latent crag]

But you can still control what's going when inside it right? That's how Ezra saved Ahsoka.

[valid blaze]

I mean its literally not? Its more akin to I guess terminator 1. But everything a preset thing that will happen no matter what

[wary needle]

You can still have time travel without the timeline changing

[valid blaze]

Ahsoka getting saved by ezra was a canon event essentially

[wary needle]

I never said it wasn’t

I’m saying there is time travel, not that the timeline was changed

[valid blaze]

And what I'm saying is, that unless it's supposed to happen it won't, and there is also the fact palpatine can't access it. The only reason he was able to in rebels is because ezra opened the door. But he also close it. So the idea of palpatine sending a clone through it doesn't work with the pre established rules and story

[wary needle]

Yeah fair point on Palpatine

But just to be clear, because I feel like people think I don’t know this, I know that the timeline can’t be changed.

I’ve always thought that was clear

I’ve just never liked the WBW being used as the explanation for Ahsoka’s survival

But I’m not one of those people who thinks it’s possible for the WBW to retcon stuff out of canon or whatever

[valid blaze]

You see, I didn't like the world between worlds when it was first introduced. But after several rewatches I've come to love it

More so since it also appeared twice early on and was clearly meant to be how ahsoka survived

[ashen pivot]

As long as it doesn’t change any major canon events, I’m okay with it

[wary needle]

See, something can be set up, and I can still not like that it was always the plan, when a different plan could’ve been done instead. I know I’m on a hill in this thread though.

[valid blaze]

Honestly, all this is kinda why I'm somewhat mixed on is the idea of this anakin in the world between worlds being from the clone wars. Cause on one hand I don't think that anakin should meet adult ahsoka. But at the same time it would be a interesting to see ahsoka try not to tell anakin everything thats going to happen, and there's also some dialogue from rebels where vader explicitly states he knew he'd face her on malachor

[wary needle]

I’m waiting until the episode next week before figuring out how I feel about it. For now, I’m just wondering why his face looks so weird sometimes and not weird other times I look at the shot.

[valid blaze]

Lighting and different cg shots

That's it

[fervent skiff]

Theres no way its a time traveling anakin imo. Its gotta be a force ghost that just looks mostly normal cause the world between worlds exists within the cosmic force. If young anakin met old ahsoka, why was vader surprised that ahsoka was still alive in rebels??? It doesnt make any sense

• time traveling anakin is stupid

[valid blaze]

You see, I agree. But it was also pointed out to me the other day that vader says to ahsoka that it was foretold they'd meet on malachor. So there is some conflicting things there

[fervent skiff]

no but when they first encounter eachother when they are piloting, vader says "Ah... so the apprentice lives." He later talks to sideous about all this who we know has vague future telling powers, so im assuming vader just meant palpatine specifically foretold that Ahsoka would be on Malachor, not that she was alive, cause they sensed eachother earlier in the season

https://youtu.be/bZIBaNHwmCw

• the entire ending scene of TCW implies vader thinks ahsoka is dead when he finds the sabers on that snowy moon

personally i thought the world between world was a bad idea in rebels to begin with, and was relieved that filoni cut off access to it in said show (untill he said "fuck it" and decided to bring it back ugh)

also personal complaint, but i thought the world between worlds looks REALLY COOL in rebels with its wave effects and black and white look! It was unique and cool looking and memorable.

and now its just generic blue glow sci-fi place

its just light bridges from portal 2

the jump to live action takes away from the show so badly imo

[valid blaze]

tbh i'm taking this as the world before worlds changing for the person who enters. like ezra entered and used the temple portal, so it had the wolves and stuff

[fervent skiff]

i mean, i guess that kinda makes sense but

idk im just disapointed in things hopping to live action in general recently

like the aliens in the shows just keep looking more and more like regular people?

like i didnt think the grand inquisitor looked good but it was still like, an alien

but now your gonna show me this girl, and tell me shes a nightsister?

i mean the nightsisters are already SO CLOSE to people anyway

i know its probably just cause dave wanted to retcon a character from mando to be a nightsister but like comeon

shes just a human

[valid blaze]

i mean they are just a variation of zabraks, who have been shown to have some human skin tones

[fervent skiff]

well yea but all nightsisters seem to have the vampire white skin

and alot more tatoos

its just blatently clear it was a retcon

its a small complaint, one most casual viewers wont even notice cause they dont know anything about nightsisters but still

if i had to guess an in-universe reason... maybe the white skin is from the envirement on dathomiir? and she got tanner on other planets? and maybe she got most of her tatoos removed to hide during the time of the empire?

idk

maybe im just a hater

im glad people are enjoying it more than me

my biggest issues isnt the plot (for the most part) but the directing an acting, and i dont think the actors are bad i just dont think dave filoni KNOWS how to do live action just yet

[turbid drum]

I think it was leaked already at the time of Mando Season 2.

[fervent skiff]

if it was planned why didnt they just give her some more tatoos

[turbid drum]

She's meant to be from a Nightsister offshoot that wasn't on Dathomir hence the less blatant tattoos.

[fervent skiff]

if she just had like two more freakin lines on her face i wouldnt even be complaining

[turbid drum]

The series already implies Nightsisters used to have a presence outside Dathomir big enough to build huge ass temple complexes.

[fervent skiff]

yeah that is fair i suppose, i just didnt think the species would vary so much

unless they reveal that other SPECIES can become nightsisters

i could see that being a thing

like morgan is a human but she is a nightsister by training and practice

thats what i chose to believe for now lmao

[turbid drum]

Definetively the latter.

[fervent skiff]

yeah okay i fuck with the vision

[ashen pivot]

I always did like how 2D the realm looked in rebels

[fervent skiff]

frr

[plain iris]

Ok, finally got a chance to watch the ep and it was...Ok? The fights and some of the visuals were cool but not great and I also kinda felt not much actually happened besides the final 5 or so minutes. Certainly not a "Wooaah 9/10" type of episode so I really don't get the massive hype.
Baylan's motivation is still incredibly cryptid. Marrok dying so soon is a bit unfortunate but I'm hoping the way he died indicates something more to come. Sabine's decision is expected.
So yeah, cool episode, some cool moments but I don't feel that amased.

[crystal pebble]

Filoni said he just wrote the line like that because it sounded more impactful, we're not meant to read too much into it
It's just Vader being a drama queen like usual

[valid blaze]

Okay but don't write dialogue like that if you don't want people to read into it like that

Also vader always super dramatic about his past as anakin, especially in rebels. So it can easily be read as him knowing from his past, and not 100% wanting to acknowledge it

[wary needle]

This is a problem I have with a lot of SW dialogue on and beyond the screen tbh

Like in that Darth Vader comic where Vader has a vision of Sidious next to pregnant Shmi saying “I am your father” and then people read into it but Charles Soule was like “it’s not literal.” And it’s like…then don’t make it so confusing

[fervent skiff]

Literally my god

[fervent skiff]

yeah, even if it was "fortold" or whatever tho, again because vader seems surprised ahsoka is alive when they sense eachother, I doubt this is a time traveling anakin

[viscid sage]

nah cuz i fr dont get the point of making it all weird and hazy and blue

the simplicity was miles better

[fervent skiff]

i agree! its like whyy

[crystal pebble]

Tbf blue is like the official Force colour
I prefer the Rebels look too, but don't mind the change

It's also worth noting TWBW isn't a physical place, so Ahsoka's consciousness is likely affecting it

[torpid stag]

im late but i agree completely. it feels like it's been forever since we've had a lightsaber duel that plays out like a samurai movie with the long stretches of silence of the two combatants measuring each other up.
That was pretty imperative for the duels found in the OT and the prequels.

tbh thinking back to all the duels in the sequels and the shows I'm struggling to think of one that allowed for that.

they all seemed to be very deliberately bombastic and dramatic throughout

i guess maybe kenobi had a couple moments like that? But didnt feel quite the same as ahsoka vs baylan

[plain iris]

Idk to me it looked too sluggish at times and with a few just weird movements. It's good but I think there's better.

Might also be due to the way it's shot

[mental osprey]

I enjoy the sequel fights because it’s these characters who’ve clearly never had proper training going at it.

Kylo is the only one, and he fights so aggressively and his lightsaber carries so much weight that the fights are just brutal as hell

I really enjoy the sequel fights but for different reasons than I do Ahsoka

Prequel fights are not my cup of tea. The Darth Maul fight is incredible, but the rest fall flat for me

[torpid stag]

oh no i agree with this

the actual dueling aspect was really meaty and weighty

what im talking about is that its been a while since we've had a staredown in a duel

several uninterupted seconds of just silence

no duel in the sequels really has that. once a duel starts it keeps going

[mental osprey]

Yeah I enjoy that a lot

[torpid stag]

it was nice to have it again in Ahsoka

felt long overdue

[mental osprey]

Yeah it very much felt like a classic OT fight

Reminded me so much of the cloud city duel

[torpid stag]

yeah exactly

both luke vs vader duels have moments lifted from samurai movies where they just stare at each other and measure up one another

Obi vs Vader kinda didnt in new hope somehow

[mental osprey]

Empire and rotj still have the best fights in Star Wars

Ahsoka is getting up there

[torpid stag]

agreed

though an honorable mention for obi wan vs maul in rebels.
I adore that one

that is the most samurai-movie duel in all of star wars

[mental osprey]

God the throne room duel is so damn good

[mental osprey]

Yeah this one too

[torpid stag]

3 swings

and its done

but it was tonally and narratively so important for it to be that way

Maul lived with resentment and didn't evolve himself while obi wan had learned to adapt and mature. It was one sided from the moment they met again.

its why obi wan takes up quigons stance, cause he knows Maul would try the same thing. He's relived the Naboo fight over and over for years.

he has a grudge and obi exploited it with ease.

[mental osprey]

The form 1 stance is always my fav

The classic Jedi stance

[torpid stag]

classic

[mental osprey]

Actually this is my favorite duel

And it’s not even a duel

[torpid stag]

yeah i was gonna say lol

this is mine if it even counts

[mental osprey]

Luke is truly the greatest Jedi to ever live imo because if you put any clone wars Jedi in this situation they would’ve just killed everybody

[torpid stag]

if not just died themselves

[mental osprey]

True

[torpid stag]

what with all the walkers

lol

[mental osprey]

Luke did a big brain move

[torpid stag]

contrast this with that episode of the tarta clone wars where Mace Windu takes on a whole droid army by himself. I really dont care for that

[mental osprey]

Also this ability is just so fucking overpowered

Like think about it’s applications

[torpid stag]

he'd have to pinpoint the exact planet several systems away, at the exact location where he wants to appear

[mental osprey]

Yep bro straight up astral projected

[torpid stag]

the mental capability to have a brain that can navigate across billions and billions of miles.

hell

lightyears

"why did luke die" jfc i wonder

lol

[mental osprey]

Also he was probably ready to die

[torpid stag]

making a calculation like that for a computer would fry it to hell. A human brain? Christ

[mental osprey]

I’m glad Luke went out that way and not decapitating Kylo Ren!

Like that fanart showed!

[torpid stag]

that is the most cringe fanart of all time

"Luke would never kill his nephew" mfers when they see Luke kill his nephew but it's cool this time i guess.

[mental osprey]

Lmao yeah

Lightsaber porn

[valid blaze]

consider the following https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AORcApft-EM

but nah, maul final stand off with kenobi probably my favourite dual. its just a handful of movements, and is incredibly impactful

https://tenor.com/view/obi-wan-star-wars-rebels-darth-maul-fight-gif-16296966

[raven sentinel]

Fuck, that is a really good duel

[torpid stag]

its so good

The Obi wan vs Vader duel in Kenobi was fun at the time but now it's clearly just artificially set up to be like "whoaaa super cool fanservice fight."

there's not as much thematic punch to it as this one with maul

the fact obi ends maul after 3 strikes is what makes it one of the best duels, cause of the connotations as to why

[crystal pebble]

Eh, Kenobi vs Maul in Rebels was kinda hollow too, since it required you to watch another show

[torpid stag]

i mean they kinda expect you to have really

if you're watching rebels w/ nothing else sure it will be hollow

[ashen pivot]

A masterpiece requires effort

[valid blaze]

Tbh that's kinda like watching siege of mandalore and nothing else star wars. Then complaining that the emotional moments weren’t that impactful. Like yeah, you don't have 7 seasons of emotinal build up with these characters that you're supposed to have

[torpid stag]

^

same with the emotional weight of vader and obi wan in kenobi. means nothing if you hadn't already seen the prequels and the OT

[valid blaze]

Nah, though. The fact kenobi starts the fight in his usual stance, then changes to qui gons. It hits so hard, especially when maul tries to do the same moves he did on qui gon

[torpid stag]

yeah exactly

Obi wan took that stance exactly because he knew maul had a grudge and was reliving naboo over and over again for all these years.

while he moved on and became a more complete person

he knew maul would react by reliving that day he lost his legs

trying the exact same move that killed quigon

[valid blaze]

Maul didn't realise he was not built for this shit

[crystal pebble]

I would say the difference is in how Kenobi is intended to be a continuation of the prequel story, whereas Rebels started off as a new, standalone one
Ahsoka vs Vader works because we are made to care about Ahsoka, and then they reveal her backstory to new Rebels viewers
Maul is just here is some stuff that was never in the show, then a repeat of a duel

[rose vapor]

Obi-Wan vs. Maul 2.0 is arguably the best Star Wars duel next to Luke vs. Vader in TESB

[wary needle]

2.0 would be when they first fought in TCW tho right?

Or would that technically be Obi-Wan vs Mail and Savage?

[rose vapor]

Ok 3 or 4.0

I forgot how many times Obi and Maul fought during the Clone Wars

[wary needle]

It autocorrected Maul to Mail for me and I can’t be asked to go back and fix it ✉️

[torpid stag]

darth mail

[ashen pivot]

Almost as crazy as a mailman

[rose vapor]

Aluminum Falcon

[fervent skiff]

best scene in rebels by far

[valid blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/yoda-there-is-another-star-wars-jedi-gif-5140031

https://tenor.com/view/kanan-jarrus-star-wars-rebels-hera-syndulla-gif-18759413

[fervent skiff]

not as good

[valid blaze]

[rose vapor]

Top 3

No. 1 is Ezra thinking he's using the force on a bowl but it's actually Chopper just lifting it

[ashen pivot]

That is up there

[fervent skiff]

it was underwhelming imo im sorry 😭

I mean it is one of the better scenes in the show for sure

[wary needle]

AP-5 singing best scene

[torpid stag]

i cri everytiem

this scene hits way way harder if you'd read the kananxhera novel

they were basically a married couple damn it

[valid blaze]

this has the energy of siblings who really want to kill each other. but have to act normal around their parent

[amber star]

New Ahsoka tomorrow! Who excited?

[amber star]

GIRL THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYIN'

[amber star]

Best fight in all of Star Wars honestly

[grand thunder]

Oh yeah I am, the fact this episode is being shown in theatres signals great hope for this next episode

Also ending off the last episode with that cliffhanger?!? How could I not be excited

[amber star]

Oh no kidding, is it?

[grand thunder]

Yep

[amber star]

That's so cool!

[grand thunder]

It really is, a shame it's so limited but happy for those who get to experience that!

[amber star]

Going to the movies to watch TV

[crystal pebble]

Will this effect the ending?

[marble epoch]

Sabine is going to rule the galaxy

[crystal pebble]

What if after all this time ezra has become a sith lord trained by thrown?

What if he was convinced that the power from the dark side would be the only way that he could return to see his Adopted family? Idk I'm just speculating

[main ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/billy-madison-dumber-gif-13502438

[crystal pebble]

Lmao

But what if?

[viscid sage]

id be checked out lmao

[main ledge]

Filoni would be a fucking idiot if he did that

[crystal pebble]

I mean absolute me too

[main ledge]

I mean by S4 Ezra has learned that the dark side won’t help him protect his family like he thought back between S2 and 3

And I doubt Thrawn would train him since he doesn’t know shit

[crystal pebble]

I think Thrawn knows more than he let's on

He may not be a Force wielder But he does have some understanding of it

[main ledge]

Not really

[plain iris]

Tbf I think the darkside arc of S3 just kind of happened with little repercursions so I wouldn't mind seeing that again in some way

[main ledge]

Thrawn’s biggest weakness is the force

[grand thunder]

Yeah but also the whole point was that he resisted the dark side and then literally the show ends with him making a sacrifice for his friends/planet so it'd have to be pretty damn convincing that he's full dark side now

[main ledge]

What’s probably gonna happen is that Thrawn and Ezra separated a long time ago probably

[crystal pebble]

If they separated then how will they find ezra by finding thrawn?

[main ledge]

Cause they’re in the same system probably

[crystal pebble]

And ezra had a connection with the purgill. Wouldn't he have been able to find his way back by now

[main ledge]

Like I doubt Ezra is that far off

[plain iris]

Not full darkside but having to survive on another galaxy he could have gained a new perspective on the force. For example how he uses it with wildlife. Sometimes calming, others submitting. Ezra's perspective could be really interesting

[crystal pebble]

Exactly I would expect him to have some sort of conflict

[grand thunder]

I could see that a bit more

[plain iris]

Now that I'm thinking about it. Do you think Ahsoka and Sabine are going to get stranded in the Alien galaxy til post 9? Because that's where this seems to be going

[grand thunder]

I just don't want him to be evil or some shit

[crystal pebble]

I don't want him to be evil either. But my overactive intrusive thoughts made me think what if.

[main ledge]

Maybe that’s always been a theory

[grand thunder]

I doubt it, I think the whole point of all this is the final strands of the Empire fighting back pre 7 and Thrawn is like the final obstacle to get through to stop the empire from rising but then surprise surprise the first order comes to power

I bet the big battle with Thrawn will be the Mandoverse movie

[main ledge]

Yea a basically

[grand thunder]

What I could see is some new threat being showcased in that new galaxy that ends up being the threat of that Rey movie maybe?

[plain iris]

Vogg for Ep 10?

[crystal pebble]

Oh lord the biggest threat to star wars known to man

[main ledge]

There’s also the Grysk from the Thrawn books

[wary needle]

Maybe Ezra is Snoke

[viscid sage]

its only the assumption by the characters that they’re together, we dont know anything for sure

[crystal pebble]

Oh no lmao

[plain iris]

Yeah kind of weird how given that exists they chose to got all the way to a new galaxy rather than just unknown regions

[main ledge]

So if Ezra is Snoke then is Ezra Greedo’s asshole?

[untold hull]

https://tenor.com/b0MuC.gif

[wary needle]

God I can’t believe it was 8 years ago that theory started lol

[crystal pebble]

Um... I think this conversation went a bit off the rails 😅

[main ledge]

No

It’s going normally

[plain iris]

Was it ever on rails?

[main ledge]

This server has no rails

[crystal pebble]

Idk 😂

[grand thunder]

Maybe they’re gonna pull a “The Grysk originate from this galaxy and they’ve been pouring into the main galaxy planning for an attack in the unknown regions”

[plain iris]

Even considering that it seems a bit of an overreaction to go that far given the Unknown regions are pretty big part of the lore for being mysterious.

And I'm going to be sorely disappointment if we get to the new galaxy and it's just very basic stuff that have very well fit within the home galaxy

[grand thunder]

I mean they can always explore it more, hell isn’t Exegol part of the unknown regions?

[plain iris]

Point is why aren't they exploring it now?

[grand thunder]

Idk, I’m just spitballing here

[plain iris]

What could be interesting is if they got that new place, saw a thread building up to our galaxy and decided to stay there for a while to control it. Provided they make the geopolitics, technology and conflicts very different could be an interesting direction

[grand thunder]

Either way going back to the main point if Filoni read the room, I’d hope he’d know that people don’t want Ahsoka living post 9

Please kill her off pre TFA

[plain iris]

Btw. Kinda sad we saw the E wing flying in lothal and nowhere else so far

Also hope Bandai makes a kit

[main ledge]

Now we just need the K Wing

[valid blaze]

Honestly I don't think or like the idea that this new galaxy needs to be something special, like yeah it should probably have something unique to it. But it's narrative purpose is being a place thrawn physically can't leave, it doesn't need to be more than that

[plain iris]

Rebels introduced an unpenetrable nebula you need a special staff to cross. why not just use that concept?

[main ledge]

Cause that would require bringing Zeb back

[plain iris]

Like a place sorounded by massive blackholes

You can still use the Eye to "punch through" the blackhole's pull

[main ledge]

I mean they never implied if it’s a whole new galaxy or just a dwarf one

And dwarf galaxies aren’t a new concept in Star Wars

Anyways my biggest fear is Dave retconning yet another SW book

[plain iris]

I am aware of that but Idk, to me going into a new galaxy should be a very important event in of itself but here, so far, it feels a bit tacked on.

[valid blaze]

That's not how those nebula planets work though. You need so specifically plot hyperspace routes through them or you'll be obligated. You can't just brute force them, regardless of how powerful your hyperdrive is

[plain iris]

Also I one mystic aspect of the force is that I like is the possibility of it being confined to the home galaxy alone and this seems to put that to rest and I'm not sure how to feel about it yet

[main ledge]

Wait what

[valid blaze]

Bruh what

[plain iris]

I'm giving a spitballed example but let me go more in dept on the blackhole thing. Let's suppose there's a blackhole intensive area and there's a possible route around the edges but it requires an insanely powerful hyperdrive to pass through before the gravity of those holes can affect. Functionally you you have the same conditions. I'm using the nebula thing as an example that you can make closed off spaces

[plain iris]

what?

[fervent skiff]

he already said shes alive during the events of TROS (which the film directly contradicts imo) but filoni really wants to keep his OCs around

i love ahsoka in TCW but the more time goes on the more i wish she died in rebels

or hopefully in this mandoverse stuff

[plain iris]

Ahsoka is pretty much gandalf at this point

[fervent skiff]

filoni needs to learn how to kill a character that isnt just
A. a clone
B. a Mentor

but hey, Ahsokas a mentor now so maybe filoni actually knows how to write a death for her

[grand thunder]

I don't believe he outright confirmed it, he just kind of vaguely said that just because you heard her voice doesn't mean she's dead but I think that was more or less just him fucking with everyone

(I hope)

[fervent skiff]

i hope so to cause

every

other

voice

was a dead person

it just doesnt make sense that shes just hopping in the voice chat to say hi to rey

like how did she even know what rey was doing???

why'd she reach out??

like

the rest of the voices make sense cause you can think the force and all those within it are watching rey

but if ahsokas alive

how the fuck does she know whats happening

is she there??? Is she there with hera?

like

[grand thunder]

You know I can't say I'm the biggest fan of Ahsoka dying on Malachor because I always felt that was the predictable way out for her character but I would rather that than her potentially living still during and after 9 jfc

[fervent skiff]

Vader killing ahsoka is a tragic but thematically appropriate ending for not just ahsoka but the saga as a whole.

because now im just wondering where tf ahsoka was during the OT

she seems REALLY worried about stopping another war but like?? where were you the first war??

[main ledge]

Im guessing for most of it she was stuck on Malachor

[fervent skiff]

ik alot of people have said this

[grand thunder]

There was no ships left on Malachor so maybe you could spin it she was stuck there for most of the war yeah what Wafez said

[fervent skiff]

but any jedi (ik ahsoka isnt a jedi) being around by the time of return of the jedi, inherently lowers the importance of luke being the last jedi

[grand thunder]

Hell maybe this next Ahsoka episode could confirm that?

[fervent skiff]

that makes sense

[main ledge]

Not really

No offesne to Cal but he ain't doing shit against Vader

[fervent skiff]

assuming anakin is a ghost and they can talk about what happened between them on Malachor

[fervent skiff]

I genuinely hope Cal is either dead or gives up on being a jedi like cere did by the end of this game trilogy

because the fact the rebellion was on the verge of winning the war and the only jedi fighting for them was Luke

im slightly more okay with Ezra cause at least hes got the excuse of being like stuck in another galaxy

[grand thunder]

Given the patter of having Vader showing up in these games so far, I wouldn't be surprised if in a third game he shows up for a final time to duel Cal and it doesn't end in Cal's favour

He already offed Cere and Cordova is now actually dead so there's not a force user to protect Cal

[main ledge]

No I mean like Luke is the only Jedi who could've defeated Vader since he is his son

[fervent skiff]

i think Cal retiring on that secret planet to keep the descendants and other believers in the force(non-jedi) safe, or he should probably kick it

[fervent skiff]

i mean i agree with that but what im talking about is the weight of him being the last jedi

[main ledge]

Hence why Yoda was so admiment on him being the last of the Jedi

[fervent skiff]

of him carrying that title alone

of him being the only one who can make a new jedi order

and if he fails against vader and dies, the jedi line ends with him

thats gone now

cause if luke failed

they got all these other guys hanging on other planets

who all also know how to use the force

and could train new jedi

hell ahsoka is LITERALLY doing that

it just lessens the weight of that

imo, at least

[grand thunder]

That just how it be I guess, retcons

[main ledge]

And you know Obi Wan and Yoda were a bunch of fucking liars to Luke

"What I said was true from a certain point of view" what a fucking asshole

[grand thunder]

True they could have just said he was the last jedi so that he was more inclined to fight Vader like making him believe that if he doesn't do this, the galaxy will be fucked, no ifs ands or buts about it

[ashen pivot]

What would happen if they were honest tho? 🤔

[main ledge]

Thats my thinking

Like if Luke did die then I wouldn't say Ahsoka or Cal would have a better chance

[ashen pivot]

Ahsoka had the best chance out of them

[grand thunder]

And again this is assuming Cal does survive

[ashen pivot]

But he’s a J E D I S U R V I V O R

[viscid sage]

didnt ezra save her before the ot tho

[grand thunder]

Yeah but then she went back into the portal where it parallels where season 2 finale left off with her going into the Malachor caves

[viscid sage]

oh right

it would be kinda funny if she just sat around there for the next like 10 years lmfao

[fervent skiff]

them + Ezra together could stand a chance

ahsoka already held her own really well against vader

[grand thunder]

There’s definitely a scenario where Ahsoka wins against Vader but she’s no jedi

[fervent skiff]

yeah i feel like its kinda contrived how they did it

like "oh lukes still the last jedi cause ezras gone and ahsoka technically isnt a jedi"

its like but ahsoka still couldve helped comeon 😭

not to mention cal

still dont know whats up with him

[grand thunder]

Well tbf Ezra’s in another galaxy so I can buy that Yoda couldn’t sense him and Cal I’m not thinking about yet because his fate is tbd

[fervent skiff]

why wasnt obi-wan like "Yo luke, go find ahsoka, shes your fathers apprientace and shes somewhere, im sure she could be a big help in defeating vader instead of you know, you just going there, ALONE, to kill him"

lmao

"I knew her very well back in the clone wars, shes a skilled warrior"

idk man its just alot of canon has felt like its fit into the star wars world really well for me and some of the rebels stuff just feels so

legends-oc-ish if you know what i mean

[grand thunder]

Idk I can look past if Luke wasn’t the last jedi if there’s suitable explanations why others couldn’t come help but also it’s not like this is the only inconsistency in this franchise

Remember force speed in TPM’s opening, whatever happened to that power?

[fervent skiff]

no yeah these issues are nothing new to star wars but at least with the prequels you can be like "oh well the empire like tried to bury as much old knowledge as possible" so like luke never learned any really crazy advanced techniques in the OT

but having like 3 or 4 other jedi running around somewhere else just kinda feels weird when luke was told he was the last one

like I get it alot of them have good reasons for not helping

[grand thunder]

No but like why did no other jedi use force speed in the prequel era or hell even Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan themselves

[fervent skiff]

but i wouldnt mind as much if it was JUST ahsoka, her not being a jedi and all

or just Ezra, missing and all

but like

we just keep getting more and more of these order 66 survivors (which im mostly okay with), but they become fan favorites so they instead of, letting GO of a character and giving them a satsfying conclusion we gotta shelve them so we can use them in future stories so fans can go pog

[fervent skiff]

yeah that is weird

dammit George

[grand thunder]

Wait I just realized if you really wanna twist this you can add Grogu to the mix of surviving Jedi

He is a baby but he was being trained at the temple nonetheless

[main ledge]

Yea cause I'm sure Grogu would've kicked Vader's ass

[grand thunder]

https://tenor.com/view/obviously-snape-harry-potter-gif-5508473

[grand thunder]

You know the more I see that image of the Anakin close up from last episode, the more natural it looks. I think it really was the lighting that threw it off. Guess we’ll see in episode 5 which we don’t have to wait long for

[viscid sage]

that’ll really be the deciding factor

extended speaking sequences

[rose vapor]

See y'all tonight

[civic hatch]

I came in here literally to say to let me know if there's more Anakin speaking tonight cause I'm curious how it'll look lmao

The one shot definitely gave "we used a deaging filter as opposed to trying to make him look like how he looked in RotS" vibes

[grand thunder]

What do you mean by that? Like yeah it's clear there's been some deaging done but looking past that, it was very clearly rots Anakin

[civic hatch]

Like, when doing that deaging there's two options you can take. A filter is something that doesn't use any reference other than the base face. You can use an aging face app filter and that will guess based on how your face looks now, but as you age there's no way to predict how your face will change based on how your life plays out. Same in reverse, how you look now isn't a calculatable progression from how you looked then that a bot can figure out. Compare that to the second option, which is essentially a deepfake. This is what I think they used for Harrison Ford in Dial of Destiny, they took reference photos of how he used to look from his past movies and had the bot map that onto either him or a stunt double to match it beat for beat. But that's far more expensive and time consuming because the tech requires much more reference (which if you only have like one movie to go off of with Hayden you can't really do as opposed to the dozens of 80s Harrison Ford movies). Hence why it feels like they did the former here.

I don't think that's a bad decision, especially compared to Kenobi where the attempt to just cover him and Ewan in make-up and costumes didn't work at all for me, and I'd rather they go simpler than over work their employees any more than they already do by trying to make it look perfect.

[grand thunder]

Ah gotcha

There's also the possibility you have to consider that this is post Vader Anakin and the ROTS outfit is just the form he's arrived to Ahsoka in, all our questions will be answered tonight

[civic hatch]

I assume they're going off RotJ ghost moment and he's just the Anakin that "died" when Vader was born, aka the like minute before helping to kill Windu

But regardless, his face looks like it was smoothed out in a deaging filter to me

[valid blaze]

A good example of the latter process being done well is samuel l jackson and Clark Gregg in captain marvel. But that's like the only good example

Also Clark Gregg is basically ageless

[civic hatch]

Yeah higher budget Disney properties in general tend to use that function, also partially because they want to see how well they can keep recreating it for the sake of scanning in any new actors and using their faces forever without paying them

[valid blaze]

It would be funny if because Disney underpay and overworks everybody, all the scans of actors that they forced to happen is just really shitty ps2 era polygon monstrosities

[valid blaze]

I love how they actually filmed this physical. But still decided to entirely cover him in dogshit cgi

[civic hatch]

Alright last point I'll make just cause I think it's interesting, I'm not trying to argue a 2 second shot looks good or bad or whatever I just like speculating on what they did to get that two second shot. Basic filters kinda work on scales, go farther one way for one feature for old, the other way for young. One scale is how deepset your eyes are, they sink in more as you age generally speaking. Hayden in 2005 had deepset eyes already, 18 years later and he still has the same deepset eyes. But a filter would just scale it back assuming that was something that happened with age, hence why it looks like his eyes are a bit less deepset than how they look both now and in RotS.

[ashen pivot]

I don’t fully believe that “we filmed it irl” thing

[civic hatch]

Yeah I don't either lol

[valid blaze]

Didn't nic cage confirm that did himself though

Why would the cage lie

[ashen pivot]

If he did, I didn’t hear it

[civic hatch]

I like to think they filmed something, and then just scrapped it and redid it

[ashen pivot]

Maybe just scanned his head for a day

[valid blaze]

It looks like they scanned the reference photos from his original audition, rather than his actual face

[crystal pebble]

He did film it live, the director said they chose to deage him tho 💀

[ashen pivot]

Source?

[viscid sage]

whats crazy to me is how good his hair looks, it feels like hair always suffers but they pretty much nailed the ROTS look

[civic hatch]

Oh yeah 100%

I kinda forgot how bad the hair normally looks because of how it looks spot on here

[viscid sage]

i always think of luke in tros, whose hair looks different in between shots bc they clearly did reshoots and had to stick a wig on him real quick lmao

what

why did it send like that

another one then

the wig is so much flatter on top and less wavy

[valid blaze]

KANAN MENTIONED. We won

[civic hatch]

That's my one reaction, I won't interject anymore

[valid blaze]

The deaging looks decent in motion though. A bit uncanny. But most of haydan expressions are getting through

Ah that young ahsoka casting was real

REX?

[amber star]

OH MY GOD

IT'S HAPPENING

||LIVE ACTION REX||

LET'S GO BABYYYY

[valid blaze]

Honestly so far this is a pretty creative use of the world between worlds

[amber star]

Hayden's doing a great job

He's bringing a lot more character to Anakin this time around

[raven sentinel]

HOLY SHIT

[valid blaze]

Also seeing 2.0 ahsoka in 1.0 setting is bizarre. I guess they realised the Crop top was weird

[amber star]

Hey Hasbro u guys got any more of those uhhhh

live action helmets

[rose vapor]

REXXXXX

[raven sentinel]

Also Anakin in his TCW getup

[rose vapor]

Dripped

Got me dripping too

[amber star]

He's Captain at this point right?

Not Commander?

[rose vapor]

Rex?

[valid blaze]

Rex was always a captain, until season 7.

[rose vapor]

Captain for most of the War, then the Siege of Mandalore he was Commander, then stripped to Captain

[valid blaze]

SIEGE?

[amber star]

"People don't just vanish into thin air"

[valid blaze]

PHASE 2 REX

[amber star]

https://tenor.com/view/obi-wan-kenobi-death-darth-vader-gif-14092330

[valid blaze]

Oh wait, were gonna see malachor aren't we

[amber star]

Putting my helmet on

Gotta go full immersion mode

[rose vapor]

OH SHIT SIEGE OF MANDALORE FLASHBACKS

[amber star]

I can no longer see the screen

[raven sentinel]

The de-aging on TCW Ani is actually a lot better

[rose vapor]

Whoever's playing Young Ahsoka is doing great

[amber star]

Sith Anakin oh no

[valid blaze]

I know the name from leaks, but I can't remember it

[amber star]

Ooooh the voice is coming in

The robot voice

Vader vs Reva without a saber?

[valid blaze]

Okay I really liked how they used anakin and the world between worlds here

Like even past the hype moments

[amber star]

Yeah

This is areally good

[valid blaze]

The directing is also really good. It was kinds weak at the start. But it's good from the world between world and onwards

Also yeah, this was literally just gandalf death and rebirth

[amber star]

I hope that's not the last we see of Little Orphan Annie

Oh woah

She looks so different without her headdress

[valid blaze]

WHITE CLOAK
WHITE CLOAK
WHITE CLOAK

[rose vapor]

Bro it's so weird seeing Ahsoka without her headpiece

https://tenor.com/view/bald-bald-head-shiny-bald-head-sponge-bob-sponge-bob-square-pants-gif-5333334

[civic hatch]

Alright a working...disney+ subscription ...I like that Anakin's fighting style looks like a blend between his RotS style and Vader's

[valid blaze]

It's kinda weird that ahsoka just knows Psychometry at this point. I thought it was kinda fun how it was a unique trait only a few force users knew. But i guess it can be learned

[amber star]

https://tenor.com/view/do-it-get-to-work-gif-21630516

https://tenor.com/view/dementors-harry-potter-aesthetic-gif-21170622

[civic hatch]

Hayden had me at first, but now he's losing me at this dead clone scene

[amber star]

Oh God ok I'm so glad that wasn't the end of the episode

[valid blaze]

Oh yeah ahsoka just straight up has the white cloak now

Like she's fully in her epilogue gear

[civic hatch]

There's a tinge of irony to the way that Hayden sounds a little better when he's joking around but then sounds more wooden when he's trying to be serious while talking about Ahsoka wanting him to be more serious

[valid blaze]

Yeah nah this look slays

Also nice to see rosario emoting more now

[amber star]

https://tenor.com/view/whale-activity-whale-activity-fatih-kev-gif-24585224

[valid blaze]

I hope she has this outfit in fortnite

We're really not getting ezra and thrawn this week are we

[amber star]

Last shot of the episode is Ezra turning around and he has red eyes

[marble whale]

Legit did the Gandalf thing

[civic hatch]

Alright that was a neat enough use of the world bebtwebbewolrldlds

[marble whale]

Someone said that she didn't have it earlier because she had to earn her white robes or something like Gandalf style

[civic hatch]

Kinda reminds me of the spirit world from atla where it's a place but also a reflection of whoever enters it

I guess context of how it's used really would be the determining factor

[valid blaze]

Yeah nah this episode was great

[amber star]

https://tenor.com/view/sleep-gif-15583344

[civic hatch]

Also hello Blaze

[valid blaze]

It's kinda always been like this. Considering its where ezra got his kybercrystal and talked with yoda

[marble whale]

I want to feel something from this but I'm having a more difficult time that being said Hayden has really improved in the role as Anakin over the years

[civic hatch]

I legit forgot that that's what that was

[amber star]

Good

[marble whale]

His delivery has just been very natural

[amber star]

Episode

https://tenor.com/view/applauding-yes-clap-clapping-leonardo-di-caprio-gif-17849163

[wary needle]

I’m pleasantly surprised they held back on the fanservice

[valid blaze]

I'm gonna be honest though, this was great. But I don't think it warranted a cinema release. Though its good that happened

[amber star]

What a trip, seeing the clones in live action! And Rex! I've been hoping we got that the whole time

[wary needle]

No fight against armored Vader and no Darth Maul appearance for example

[civic hatch]

I'll be honest

Rex didn't work for me

[wary needle]

Yeah I can agree this didn’t need a cinema release

[civic hatch]

I'm glad it was just a couple seconds

But Temuera just didn't work for me

He can pull off a regular clone fine

[wary needle]

I thought the clones were fine. It wasn’t about them.

[amber star]

Oh please, Temuera is THE clone

[marble whale]

So strange not hearing Dee Bradley Baker come out of his helmet

[civic hatch]

But Dee captures a specific cadence to Rex that I don't think he did here

Granted it was literally one line

But idk, the weird gruffness of it just threw me off

[amber star]

It is kinds funny that we didn't see his face the whole time

[wary needle]

Anakin and Ahsoka were what mattered most in the scenario, so I thought it was fine

[valid blaze]

bradley does that with every clone, even the largely unnamed clones. It's kinda hard to go from that to temuera more generic take for the clones

[marble whale]

Yeah it was focused I will give it that

[amber star]

Yeah I liked that it was like... respectable fanservice. We got to see a beloved character in a way we never have before and it wasn't done in like

"LOOK IT'S A THING YOU KNOW!" kind of way

[civic hatch]

It could've definitely been worse

[amber star]

Me personally, I just get giddy any time I see clones, so I'm happy

Amazing to see them as like

[valid blaze]

I feel like it works more, because it's fan service with a reason, not fan service for the sake of it

[amber star]

Actual people, imagine that

[amber star]

Exactly yeah!

[valid blaze]

Anyway, I'm happy ahsoka finally at the point she should be. Like I can fully see why rosario was cast now

[raven sentinel]

That episode was fucking great holy shit

[civic hatch]

I liked how hazy everything was, I liked the way it all felt story driven for the most part, it was all very spiritual and that's cool

[amber star]

https://tenor.com/view/captain-rex-rex-star-wars-clone-clone-trooper-gif-17769460

[raven sentinel]

Live action Rex was so cool to see

[valid blaze]

I will always prefer ashley as ahsoka. But yeah, this is good

[marble whale]

I think honestly if you enjoyed it that's great and no shame towards you, I just had a hard time feeling something from the episode the ideas and all were there just I don't think the animation to live action transition has been something that has really worked for me. To some extent I feel a disconnect from this version of Ahsoka.

[civic hatch]

I do agree a bit there

[rose vapor]

Ahsoka felt a little too stoic and a little flat in the first 3 episodes, but now she's really starting to grow on me now

[civic hatch]

Plain and simple, I don't get anything from this being live action

[raven sentinel]

That music at the end with the whales was SO GOOD

[amber star]

Hayden did an awesome job too! He actually felt like Anakin!

[rose vapor]

Purgil<3

[valid blaze]

I've kinda moved past the fact its not animated at this point. I still would have preferred it. But I'm not gonna lose sleep or anything over it, more so since as I've said before. I feel like this was the only way to get the story told

[amber star]

He's come a long way from not liking sand

[civic hatch]

He's come a way

[rose vapor]

I better see Zeb and Kallus being gay uncles for Jacen I swear

Also Kanan flashbacks

Need

[civic hatch]

End of the day I don't think he can outgrow being Hayden Christensen, the best parts were when it felt like Matt Lanter, and then when he didn't sound like Lanter all I could do was imagine it in his voice instead.

[crystal pebble]

Why is the best option getting eaten by a space whale? 🤣

[marble whale]

Hayden's performance in this episode definitely reminded me more of Matt Lanter

[crystal pebble]

For the record I know it's not actually going to eat them

[valid blaze]

I did really like the back and forth cuts between anakin and vader though. I kinda would have liked more references to malachor, since it was when they last met. But it works either way

[marble whale]

The costume department did a good job with the Clone Wars outfits

[amber star]

The actress who played young Ahsoka did a great job too

[crystal pebble]

They definitely out did themselves

[marble whale]

There was pretty good attention to detail

[civic hatch]

I will say, Anakin immediately going "You lost" was the best way to reference it

[marble whale]

Right hair length and everything

[valid blaze]

They also slapped with ahsoka the white ()

[raven sentinel]

The young Ahsoka actress did a fantastic job

[valid blaze]

I like the gauntlet/cloves

[civic hatch]

The clone armor looked good, Anakin's costume looked a little baggy (they did the same thing with Anakin in Kenobi idk why they can't seem to get Hayden's outfits to fit him)

Ahsoka's white outfit did slap

[rose vapor]

I love how Hayden Christensen perfectly copies Matt Lanter down to the tone

[raven sentinel]

I love the material on that

Very cool looking

[valid blaze]

Now she just needs the stuff

[mental osprey]

Never thought I’d enjoy Hayden as Anakin but what a welcome surprise

[marble whale]

The CGI deaging admittedly wasn't as noticeable as I thought it was going to be still kinda off putting at times but not as bad

[crystal pebble]

I think my favorite shot was when anakin was walking into the cloud of smoke and became vader and then switched back to anakin

[rose vapor]

It was better in this episode then the 5 seconds last episode

[mental osprey]

Okay I just want Thrawn now thank you

[rose vapor]

The flip flopping between Anakin and Vader was perfect

[wary needle]

So was the battle supposed to be from the Ryloth arc?

[civic hatch]

I was wondering that too

[marble epoch]

Yeah

[rose vapor]

Definitely seems like it

[marble epoch]

Ahsoka got those men killed during Ryloth

[raven sentinel]

I’m so glad they cast Lars as Thrawn, it’s such a fucking relief that we didn’t get some kinda veteran British actor to play him

[valid blaze]

It helps that they were largely obscured to an extend. But hayden facial expressions were still noticeable despite everything,

[marble whale]

Benedict Cumberbatch Thrawn 💀

[amber star]

Yeah he did so well didn't he??

[marble epoch]

I'm so glad they didn't use the World Between Worlds to explore like what if scenarios like what if Ahsoka didn't leave the order

[amber star]

This is the Anakin we always should have had

[civic hatch]

I was literally saying to my roommate earlier today that if they were smart they'd obscure Anakin's face as much as they could to keep it from being distracting, and whaddya know they did

[rose vapor]

I love the absolute care everyone has given to The Clone Wars and perfectly doing it

[civic hatch]

https://tenor.com/view/you-never-really-know-george-zax-jk-simmons-goliath-who-can-say-gif-23202900

[wary needle]

Early TCW episodes would’ve been a different outfit. But in universe it’s a vision and out of universe it’s understandable why they wouldn’t wanna use the original outfit.

[valid blaze]

I assumed it was supposed to me the movie at first tbh. Since all the smoke and shit was pink/purple, and that planet with Jabba son was the same colour

[wary needle]

Ah fair point

[marble epoch]

It seems clear that is not Filoni's intentions with it lol

[valid blaze]

Or you know, they realised the original outfit was weird as fuck and changed it

[wary needle]

Also thought maybe it could’ve been some early battle we didn’t see

[wary needle]

I mean, yeah

[marble epoch]

Also TEMUERA FINALLY GOT TO PLAY REX

Even if only for a bit

[civic hatch]

There were twi'leks though, right?

[valid blaze]

Yeah

[rose vapor]

At first I thought the first Clone Wars flashback was during the Battle of Teth

[wary needle]

Kinda felt like Anakin was talking to the audience when he was like “What do you want? Joking or more serious?”

[marble epoch]

It was definitely Ryloth and Ahsoka said she got the men killed, so yes, Ryloth

[civic hatch]

Yeah I thought it was Teth for a second too in the pink smoke

[rose vapor]

He better come back

[civic hatch]

Yeah I got that vibe too

[rose vapor]

Just turned out to be a stylistic thing

[marble epoch]

Maybe two separate moments that kind of merged into one scene

Idk

[raven sentinel]

I’m interested to see how the actor playing Ezra is gonna do. I haven’t seen him in anything else but I think he’s gonna do a great job.

[civic hatch]

Ultimately it's semantics

[wary needle]

There was definitely a Twilek

[marble epoch]

But that part was Ryloth

[main ledge]

0/10 Episode cause there was no Sabine

[marble whale]

Now for Ahsoka's next quest, defeating Sauron

[crystal pebble]

I looked it up she said it was there first mission so it's The First Battle of Felucia.

[civic hatch]

I'll give the rest of this show a chance

[marble epoch]

She said it was one of their first

Not the first

[crystal pebble]

Ah ok

[valid blaze]

It was nice seeing the mandalore outfits in live action

[raven sentinel]

The lightsaber fights this ep were really good

[main ledge]

Ah yes cause I remmeber Felucia being an orange sandy planet

[marble epoch]

Hayden definitely still has it lol

[civic hatch]

https://tenor.com/view/tlou-joel-joelmiller-mighty-thin-ice-ellie-joel-gif-24452393