Andor

[solemn heath]

Nah he’s 100% gonna fight the First Order

[cloud narwhal]

now we know why the Rebel soldiers could stand toe-to-toe with Stormtroopers

they've been trained by one of the murder lesbians

[fluid phoenix]

I love the vibe of community in those final shots of the base

[solemn heath]

Val wasn’t on Hoth so that’s why they lost then

[zinc sluice]

Going off the rails from Andor, they should revive Rogue Squadron as a series instead of a movie. Get some of the Andor team back for it

[glossy cove]

What needs to happen in Tales of Andor:

• Cassian Rogue One a Star Wars story has slice of life adventures with his mom
• Mon Mothma kisses Hera
• Vel kisses Kleya
• Dedra dies in prison

I will not be taking questions at this time

[cloud narwhal]

It helps illustrate how the Rebellion is built up by genuine care, love and compassion

in stark contrast to how the Empire is built

Mon Mothma sitting with the grunts at the mess hall

[solemn heath]

If Dedra isn’t released then she’s 100% running that block like Kino Loy

[cloud narwhal]

talking to Vel

that's I think my most favourite shot in the last episode

Cassian seeing what he helped build

It's the perfect ending sequence

[glossy cove]

I imagine she'd also foil escape attempts as well too, since she's always thirsting for glory

Except I doubt the Prison would appreciate her doing that

[fluid phoenix]

I'm gonna go a little dark here

I think someone else in that prison is gonna kill her

[glossy cove]

Probably

[solemn heath]

https://tenor.com/view/thesis-please-major-partagaz-andor-isb-galactic-empire-gif-4137159446559399673

[glossy cove]

It will probably be over something really petty too

[fluid phoenix]

Ain't no way her being an isb agent is gonna stay under wraps

[glossy cove]

Like she keeps preventing her floor from having flavor in their gruel

[zinc sluice]

As much as I loved the finale, I'd have loved some more insight into the aftermath of the ISB plot

[fluid phoenix]

When people find out who she used to be she's getting shanked

[zinc sluice]

Like we don't exzactly see much for Dedra, she's kept in a holding cell, and then we see her in the narkina prison

[cloud narwhal]

To be fair not a lot of it needs to be explained, the entire competent ISB ledership falls apart

[solemn heath]

I mean the ISB wasn’t really that well known at the time

[cloud narwhal]

Because the Empire doesn't care how competent they are, they just care if they followed what the big fish wanted

[zinc sluice]

Could've benefited from a scnee of her getting sentenced in the EXACT same unfair manner as Cassian did

[solemn pumice]

There were other competent isb leaders. Just just all die on the death star

[cloud narwhal]

Along with Yularen lmao

[solemn heath]

Or got evaporated on Scarif

[cloud narwhal]

Krennic interrogating Dedra was one of my fave scenes in the entire show

[glossy cove]

The Empire cannot stop putting competent leaders on superweapons on things that blow up

[cloud narwhal]

He had NO reason to do this but his zesty ahh had to do it for the gay aura

[solemn heath]

Theatre kid moment

He 100% was a theatre kid growing up

[cloud narwhal]

He wanted to do ballet but he was forced into the military

[zinc sluice]

One weird thread semi-related to Andor, but is there any sort of explanation of the connection between the Geonosians having the blueprint for the Death Star in the movies, and it being a thing done by Krennic?

[glossy cove]

I'm pretty sure Krennic steals the credit once all the Geonosians are dead

[cloud narwhal]

Yep

The Empire completely wipes out the Geonosians

[zinc sluice]

Well, moreso, was Palpatine himself fully hands on from the start?

[cloud narwhal]

Probably, he trusted Dooku with the blueprints

as far back as the Battle of Geonosis

[solemn heath]

It was more hinted at in rebels more than anything

[zinc sluice]

Because we saw Krennic had to get through Tarkin to get "full funding" or whatever

[solemn heath]

I remember in Catalyst that Krennic was reporting to Mas Amedda mostly during the Republic

[zinc sluice]

Lol I sometimes forget the age of the characters and get weirded out hearin about these guys in the Republic era

[fading marten]

smiling friends

Mr boss coded

[glossy cove]

https://tenor.com/view/no-biting-smiling-friends-adult-swim-zach-hadel-michael-cusack-gif-24552494

Venom Joowbear feeding Jack Evans

[solemn heath]

Venom wasn’t Jack’s mother

He was mine

[zinc sluice]

I swear this server has more lore than the 40 years of the expanded universe

[glossy cove]

One day I will be a part of it

[solemn heath]

Venom is the Luthen of this server when it comes to lore

[fluid phoenix]

You can just say you're part of it somehow and it'll be canon

[glossy cove]

https://tenor.com/view/isb-fact-check-fact-checked-false-dedra-gif-14588339901547726997

[solemn heath]

https://tenor.com/view/general-grievous-gif-13718534390039256298

[zinc sluice]

I have a decent part in the lore

its 14 year old me being a typical 14 year old

[solemn heath]

That’s one way to put it

[zinc sluice]

Nemik's got so much aura, his manifesto instantly compells fascists to kill themselves

[solemn heath]

I should try that in real life

[pure vale]

Whoa

[cloud narwhal]

Reads the Communist Manifesto
shoots himself

[solemn heath]

Next time I see a neo nazi I'm gonna play Nemik's manifesto

[cloud narwhal]

Real

[cloud narwhal]

This is what I was saying and now ANH being ground zero for SW makes sense it was the biggest strategic fumble the Empire has ever suffered

[pure vale]

WHAT THE HELL IS AN ALUMINUM FALCON?!

[solemn heath]

Palpatine's crashout in RC is so real

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-palpatine-fuck-oh-fuck-fuck-fuck-fuck-fuck-fuck-gif-20633932

[pure vale]

Some parts of RC I accept as canon, and I’ll die on that hill

[solemn heath]

For me its this one

[cloud narwhal]

Palpatine watching as a rusty old Corellian freighter managed to outrun two Star Destroyer and escapes the Death Star with the battle station’s plans and the Princess

[solemn heath]

https://tenor.com/view/emperor-palpatine-stormtrooper-gif-13058119

[solemn pumice]

Mind you ezra also locked him out of the world between worlds in this time period. So palpatine was having a awful year

[cloud narwhal]

Awful week more like

[solemn heath]

I wonder if his side chick dumped him too during this time peroid

Like did Sly Moore break up with him?

[glossy cove]

Meeting Ezra Bridger probably made him lose the last of the color in his hair

[solemn pumice]

Hey this was s4 ezra

When he was a lot more mature

[glossy cove]

Ezra also goofed around during the Mandalore arc which still rubs me the wrong way

[pure vale]

Ezra will never be fully mature

[glossy cove]

Like, even Avatar knew when to pull its punches

[solemn pumice]

Tbf ezra didn't really have a lot to do during that arc.
He was moral support for sabine

Also he met palpatine after kanan death. So like he was locked in at that point

[pure vale]

Dad told him he’s the man of the house now

[solemn heath]

Also Episode 10 reminded me of how much I would love a Hitman style Star Wars game

[cloud narwhal]

We need a modern Star Wars spy game

[pure vale]

Could easily just make one about Cass. Just an average day as a rebel spy

[solemn pumice]

we need a star wars game

[vague cave]

Quietly grieving Andor all day

I feel like I lost my first born fr

[pure vale]

Well yeah, they all die

[cloud narwhal]

Battlefront 3 but they’ll somehow fuck it up too

[pure vale]

I lost him 9 years ago

[pure vale]

BsAkTyTrLiEmFRONT

[unreal veldt]

He never found out because he got Purrgiled

[pure vale]

Those were his last thoughts

“I should’ve bought more things”

[sweet owl]

https://tenor.com/view/gfy-middle-finger-flip-off-gif-12611638

[pure vale]

Gary and friend accidentally killing Luke’s aunt & uncle is in my head canon

[thick lava]

Can we also accept Yarell Poof hiding as a chef?

[pure vale]

Also new headcanon: K2’s structural integrity was weakened after being cut in half and rebuilt, which is why he’s less impervious

[pure vale]

Lord knows I want to

[cloud narwhal]

My headcanon is that KX security droid armour can deflect blaster pistol bolts but not rifle ones

Because he was using Heert as a meat shield when an ISB agent was shooting him with a rifle

[pure vale]

That also makes sense

[cloud narwhal]

That also explains why Cassian and Wil couldn't damage him before he got hit by Samm

Cassian's blaster was basically his pistol in a sniper configuration

[safe berry]

K2 said he was in a parade and the emperor was there

Does he just show up at parades regularly

Does he have his own special transport for parades

Is there a Pope mobile equivalent for Palpatine

[fluid phoenix]

I thought you meant k2 for a sec

I like the idea that they use an emperor body double where his face isn't all fucked up

[solemn pumice]

Palp-mobile

[vague cave]

Something really funny about Krennic stressing the fuck out about putting together the Death Star only for it to be destroyed by some farm boy who has never flown a star fighter before

[cloud narwhal]

The worst two days in the history of the Empire

[vague cave]

In hindsight Darth Vader’s pure frustration and anger at the start of ANH makes a lot more sense lmao

Bro is just fed up

[solemn pumice]

I think there's arguably worse

Like idk endor followed by operation cinder

[cloud narwhal]

At that they'd be used to losing

[glossy cove]

With all this content about the creation of the first Death Star, it makes the second one even funnier

[solemn pumice]

Battle of jakku was also pretty bad for them

[safe berry]

Then they made a third one

[glossy cove]

THEY GHORMANED MORE PLANETS TO MAKE THIS SHIT

[solemn pumice]

They were gonna do that anyway

[cloud narwhal]

They learned to make the death laser first and just kinda let the thing be under construction for a bit longer

[solemn pumice]

Fuck operation cinder was literally just "let's genocide some planets for the hell of it"

[cloud narwhal]

That's about the only thing they learned from the first Death Star

[solemn pumice]

First death star also faced a lot of delays with its development

[safe berry]

It's neat visually that the dish on the first death star was the last thing they constructed while on the second the dish was done first before a good portion of the body to show they were primarily hyper focused on making it weapon operational

[vague cave]

Apparently Palpatine left the second one intentionally unfinished to make the Rebels think it would be an easy win

[unreal veldt]

Krennic should've went to Julliard

[vague cave]

A lure of sorts

Honestly it’s occurring to me I haven’t thought about the Death Star this much before

Not many times has it actually crossed my mind that oh right they made a second Death Star and that’s kind of stupid

I just sort of accepted it growing up 💀

[cloud narwhal]

It could be explained that at that point the Empire was sorta throwing anything at a wall to see if it sticks

The closer a regime is to falling the more it panics and makes fuck ups

[safe berry]

I like to think of the death star as the star wars equivalent of nuclear weapons, since that was a major inspiration from Lucas

And then it kind of follows the same pattern as real life where it was a big deal to create but now the technological pandora's box has been opened for good

[glossy cove]

I kind of miss the Legends aspect where they were constantly making egoweapons with really exploitable weaknesses

[cloud narwhal]

Yeah not to mention once you get it down the first time, which is also vastly harder to do, you can do it again easier

[solemn pumice]

They literally say in the film that the death star and it's "status" were leaked to lore the rebels

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-admiral-ackbar-its-a-trap-meme-gif-8125029

[cloud narwhal]

many such cases

[solemn pumice]

Literally why the line exists 😭

[vague cave]

I’m going to be so for real with you right now I haven’t gotten to Return of the Jedi on my rewatch list yet and I haven’t seen it genuinely in like 4 or 5 years

[cloud narwhal]

Legends making another superweapon that explodes the balls of every force-sensitive within 54 radial parsecs but it has a weakspot that a todler can find

[safe berry]

Palpatine's sith fleet are basically just our real world equivalent of fleets of nuclear submarines

[vague cave]

Looking forward to my favorite scene

https://tenor.com/view/joh-yowza-jedi-rock-jabba-ahhhh-yahhhh-jizz-wailer-gif-25385830

[solemn pumice]

Skill issue. I haven't watched it in like 6 or 7 years and still remember it near perfectly 😭
My autism grants me perfect memory but only for hyperfixations

[safe berry]

where is andor jr. in here

[glossy cove]

I love Jedi Rocks too much for it to be ironic

[solemn pumice]

I love how the book version has even more shittos here

If the novelisation came out after andor he'd 100% be there

[vague cave]

The Mandalorian Season 5 leaked script: Din finds Andor Jr. and teams up with him to take down Thrawn who finds Deedra

[cloud narwhal]

I wish every Lucasfilm writer and author a very happy don’t touch any original Andor character please

[solemn pumice]

Charles soule though

[glossy cove]

Charles Soule is the only person I would trust

[vague cave]

Somehow Luthen returned…

[glossy cove]

Soule has been carrying the Canon Books and Comics on his back

Or at least comics

[cloud narwhal]

I don’t want the Englupshittofication of Andor in 4 years

[solemn pumice]

There's other great writers

[glossy cove]

There are, I just haven't read them unless they were in the High Republic

[vague cave]

You know I know Tony Gilroy says he’s gone but ain’t no one say anything about Dan Gilroy

[cloud narwhal]

Luthen reconstructs his lungs and becomes the guy who was pulling the strings of the Resistance in Dameron a Star Wars story

[glossy cove]

Partigaz's Force Ghost inhabits a Clone Body and he leads the First Order's ISB

They call it the Final ISB

[royal flume]

i know the convo kinda moved on but a "why another death star lol" explanation that sticks with me as a valid lore reason is because DS1 was going to rule by the Tarkin Doctrine, or "fear keeping the systems in line". they had just gotten rid of the senate so there wasn't an illusion of democracy anymore, just a giant deadly ball that could blow up planets trying to resist.
and then it blew up and the empire didnt have a senate or the thing they were depending on to keep everyone in line
makes sense that they'd get desperate and make another

[glossy cove]

True

[royal flume]

for the actual writing of the movie? still lame

but makes sense to me lorewise

[glossy cove]

I assume that even with only Star Destroyers, the Regional Governors are able to do some horiffic shit

Look at what Pryce and Thrawn to Lothal with just a small fleet

[cloud narwhal]

It doesn’t bother me because it never has as much importance in the story

[cloud narwhal]

It’s mostly Luke and Vader

[vague cave]

Listen to me Cassian Jr … no one is ever really gone

[solemn pumice]

Tbf though lothal was getting fucked specifically as a response to the ghost crew.
As thrawn figured if he made the planet suffer it would eventually get to the point where ezra couldn't ignore the people's suffering and go back to help.

[glossy cove]

I meant that more as that the Empire could enforce its laws without a Superweapon, but the Superweapon is a good deterant

You can instantly Ghorman a planet

[vague cave]

Well if it isn’t the quacta calling the stifling slimy - Cassian Andor

[solemn pumice]

The empire did have to get a 3rd party and use slaves to burn lothal though as well

[royal flume]

"why did the empire get their death star project leaked, plans stolen, let it get blown up (after over a decade of working on it) by a farmboy, fail to capture said farmboy 3 years later, get beaten up by ewoks a year after that, and lose yet another death star and their emperor in the same battle? is there a lore reason? are they stupid?"
yes

[vague cave]

To be fair the only Imperial competency we see in the movies is from Palpatine and Vader himself while the Empire is usually depicted as a bunch of dim witted buffoons

Andor is one of the few times the Empire is at least somewhat intelligent and working towards solutions to their problems

And that’s what makes them feel more threatening overall

[royal flume]

finishing andor makes me want to reread that reference book about the empire. the one written as an in-universe history book

[thick lava]

All the smart imperials get picked off pretty quickly

[solemn pumice]

Which one. Rise and fall of the galactic empire or mask of fear

[vague cave]

Doesn’t help that Tarkin and Krennic both died in a two day span

[royal flume]

they absolutely had competent people, but the system itself was going to collapse simply because freedom is a pure idea

[thick lava]

Skill issue on their parts

[solemn pumice]

Okay but tarkin wasn't paticularly smart.
Bro was a fucking vulture waiting for projects to fumble even slightly so he could swoop in and direct funding to the death star. Even if said projects would result in a broadly stronger empire

[vague cave]

When you lose Tarkin, Krennic, and Thrawn in the same year 💀

[glossy cove]

I think that Andor does a good job at showing why the Empire is stupid while the movies are just like "It's because they're Space Nazis, duh"

[vague cave]

Tis true

Bro was constantly trying to steal credit

[glossy cove]

Their Government only rewards people who are good at following orders or their own ego, and that doesn't make for a meritocracy

Plus with stuff like Vader constantly murdering people for sneezing at the wrong time it makes sense why they always burn through good leaders

[solemn pumice]

Broadly it is accurate. Because the nazi were almost entirely idiots. Kept a float by the very few smart people in high places.

[unreal veldt]

Ah g'day Dedra Meero. Just building the Death Star mate. You haven't told any Rebels have ya mate?

[vague cave]

YoU aRe StaRting To SouNd like Tarkin 🙄

[cloud narwhal]

Her obsession with Luthen being her downfall is so 🤌

[vague cave]

She was so proud of herself when she went into the shop too

[solemn pumice]

Ironically both her and syril downfall were caused by their own obsession with a single person

[cloud narwhal]

And they both horribly messed up the arrest of said person

It started with the attempted arrest of Cassian, and ended with the attempted arrest of Luthen

[vague cave]

“There’s a whole galaxy out there waiting to disgust you” was such a cold line

[glossy cove]

Fr fr

[forest quest]

Andor Andored the Andorest Andoring

[solemn heath]

https://x.com/_shauryachawla/status/1922554967866396820?s=46&t=nK2RzESKnrKCyg9YOGR8jQ

Shaurya Chawla (@_ShauryaChawla) on X

"Ah, g'day there, Dedra Meero. Just building the Death Star, mate. You haven't been talking to the Rebels, have ya, mate?" #Andor

X · May 14, 2025, 7:29 AM

[vague cave]

I vastly enjoyed how unpredictable all of the deaths this season were

[royal flume]

i was about to say "erm, luthen, actually " but even he had an interesting twist on how he died

i just thought he'd die in his shop tbh

[solemn heath]

https://x.com/holocron12/status/1922602721544159639?s=46&t=nK2RzESKnrKCyg9YOGR8jQ

liz 🌌🌟luthen’s #1 fan (@holocron12) on X

#ANDOR good riddance (time of your life)

X · May 14, 2025, 10:39 AM

[pure vale]

I can see that

[vague cave]

Calcite

Synthetic calcite

👌

[thin raft]

just finished

[sweet owl]

They either later figured out the synthetic calcite...or there was so much ripped from Gorman they were able to build two death stars, starkiller base and a fleet of planet killing Star Destroyers on Exegul

[fluid phoenix]

I wouldn't be surprised if galen intentionally stalled synthetic research in a desperate bid for time

[glossy cove]

Probably

[solemn pumice]

He didn't like the spiders and wanted them gone

[solemn pumice]

Starkiller base and the exegul ships probably used something else

Or they found a good supply in the unknown regions

Considering death star tech was also used in the giant laser battering ram in tlj

[glossy cove]

I still don't understand the logic of why they'd even have that

[solemn pumice]

You never know when you'll need a big fuck off laser

[vague cave]

Did you sit through the credits in the final episode?

I’m not telling you why if you haven’t

I’ll let you figure that one out

[thin raft]

hmm i checked for a credits scene but i wonder if you’re referring to something musical

[vague cave]

Perhaps

[pure vale]

It was a star war the whole time. We were bamboozled

https://fixupx.com/princesskryze/status/1922662243205894469?t=vDGcOVqnM4yPP-_AuUh3fw&s=19

lyra ★ (@princesskryze)

she’s so cute

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FixupX · May 14, 2025, 2:36 PM

[sweet owl]

I couldn't help but think about the racist, fear-mongering, dehumanizing propaganda The Empire said about the Mandalorians on their Space Fox News to justify the night of a thousand tears.

[thin raft]

probably called them warmongering savages

[fluid phoenix]

Damn the one time they were right too

[sweet owl]

I mean...

https://tenor.com/view/bobby-fish-wheres-the-lie-gif-27459719

[pure vale]

Oh so warmongering is problematic now?

[sweet owl]

When someone other the Empire does it.

[pure vale]

Hypocrite Media

[fluid phoenix]

Oh yeah I thought it was funny I was talking to my mom about andor and the bail recast and I was like "yeah he was played by Jimmy smits and... damn I can't remember who they replaced him with" and she was like "was it Benjamin bratt?" and we both at the same time went "yeah the other older hispanic guy from the police show!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-sI-Iz_zyo&ab_channel=StarWars

[vague cave]

It’s hard to believe the show ends on the realization that Cassian has been in a simulation this entire time and K2 is some random Joe in a motion capture suit

[unreal veldt]

Why he sound like King Candy?

[vague cave]

How much do I gotta pay Disney to get them to do this for all of their centric shows

We want to see that behind the scenes

With all the resources they have I don’t know why they just started doing weekly behind the scenes with Andor

[solemn pumice]

Don't they do that with a Disney plus thing

[vague cave]

They do like one giant feature at the very end

But I would so much rather they just do something like this weekly

Like HBO does

[solemn pumice]

They used to do it for rebels

Rebels recon my beloved

[vague cave]

I think it’s kind of hilarious that this arc really peaked at the start and in the best way possible I mean

It didn’t ruin the rest of it by any means but Luthen and Deedra’s encounter really is the event that sets the rest of arc

[glossy cove]

They do, but I'm pretty sure that's price locked

Like, you have to have Disney+ to see it

[cosmic marlin]

I’m not ok

[thin raft]

cant stop thinking about when krennic pokes dedra’s head

[cosmic marlin]

Is the mission that Andor and K2 leave for basically Rogue One?

[fluid phoenix]

sí

[cosmic marlin]

Damn ;-;

[thin raft]

yeah its the beginning when cassian shoots that guy in an alley

back to his roots

[cosmic marlin]

Maybe I’ll rewatch that tomorrow

[thin raft]

also thinking about how he gets no closure with his sister

[cosmic marlin]

Ending with bix and his kid is crazy

At least we know they found each other, even if they don’t

[sweet owl]

I did my rewatch tonight, movie still fun, but Cassian's sudennly being protective to Jyn making way more sense.

It's just what he does.

[cosmic marlin]

Crazy how Andor can have a whole episode where he isn’t shown or talked about once and it be like a highlight of the show compared to when some other shows do it

Season 2 > season 1

But I honestly wish we had gotten more. I felt like so much was just building to stuff before immediately moving on and it would’ve been nice to see a little more on it

[sweet owl]

Also I love the detail that when Bix was there the tree house was nice and tidy and looked like a home but without her it turned into a Batchelor pad.

[thin raft]

my roommate and i audibly gasped when we saw that cassian actually watered the plants

so proud

[cosmic marlin]

Wonder who will water them when he’s gone

[sweet owl]

Oh no, I just had the thought of those poor plants going unwatered when the Rebellion has to leave Yavin 4 after the destruction of the Death Star.

[cosmic marlin]

Maybe the empire was right all along

[sweet owl]

Though I imagine a heartbreaking scene where Val is going through Andor's house to make sure there's nothing sensative left there...and she sees like a jacket or something of his on the bed. It will make a good comic panel

[vague cave]

Watching K2 beat up Imperial dudes is so oddly satisfying

https://tenor.com/view/k-2so-stormtrooper-fall-throw-rogue-one-gif-16330424329315190125

[glossy cove]

With how fucking awful the Empire was in Andor I'm 100% behind them getting their asses kicked in everything

[cloud narwhal]

For every evil gay person, there is a more evil, more gay person

[glossy cove]

Got flashbombed by this when you said that

[vague cave]

Dear god

https://tenor.com/view/invincible-mark-grayson-loud-sound-despair-mark-vs-cecil-gif-1709376508743085262

[cloud narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/far-cry-release-me-joseph-seed-gif-12887358985963630884

[cosmic marlin]

I wish K2 was brought in earlier so he could be in more episodes

[fluid phoenix]

https://youtu.be/5pcnQ6Xym5k?si=8YO8xXfylDXCegYJ

[solemn heath]

Twitter will tell you he does cause he finds his sister in Jyn

Also me when there’s new Andor episodes next week

[solemn pumice]

No clearly jyn is literally his sister

[solemn heath]

https://tenor.com/view/lil-yachty-drake-laptop-duh-gif-8033838636860661307

[cloud narwhal]

@zinc sluice https://i.imgur.com/F0qAViQ.png

[glossy cove]

"I've read the Old Republic comics, I know what that guy's lightsaber does. Miss me with that shit"

[zinc sluice]

I fucking love how so many newer fans are getting introduced to Exar Kun through all the memes

[glossy cove]

I've never seen unstylized art of him so I really like this design for a Dark Side user

[cloud narwhal]

My legends headcanon are stories and legends written by authors in the Star Wars universe

[glossy cove]

Thrawn wrote the Thrawn Trilogy while being stranded with Ezra Bridger

[cloud narwhal]

Like, Exar may not be in canon officially but he is like an urban legend/story by someone in canon

[thin raft]

ice king ass storyline

[glossy cove]

LMAO

Thrawn after reading the Thrawn Trilogy to the Ghost Crew

[zinc sluice]

"But, it was so artistically done" seems like something he'd right about his own defeat

i'm fucking done for I just mispelt write

[glossy cove]

lmaoooo

[cloud narwhal]

As much as I like the Dark Forces/Jedi Knight games I despise the way Jerec is designed, and Legends has great Dark Side user designs

[glossy cove]

Yeah, I don't get the hype around his look

As goofy and stupid as the Canon Inquisitors are, I like their uniform look

[cloud narwhal]

His uniform is peak tho

Been playing through Dark Forces Remastered and I remembered one of the missions is on Fest

And I actually soyjacked at the screen

Closest we have to an Andor Star Wars video game

[glossy cove]

The main reason why I miss the Sith in Canon is because their designs are buttfuck insane in Legends

[thin raft]

god i just

i cant stop thinking about this show

[cloud narwhal]

I'm rewatching it along with Rogue One with friends

Sick individual

[cloud narwhal]

Malgus will always be my favourite Legends Sith design

https://tenor.com/view/chissmyhutt-swtor-chissmyhutt-darth-malgus-malgus-swtor-malgus-gif-11754677560879796699

I know he is just Darth Vader for the most part

[glossy cove]

I think his look is better than Malak's tbh

[cloud narwhal]

I'm sad both of Rogue One's Glup Shitto aliens died on Scarif

The guy on the U-Wing turret and Pao

Also I looked up to see how you spell his name

What the fuck

[safe berry]

darth nihilius is the goat

he eats planets, why?. hungry

[cloud narwhal]

I also love the Jedi armour in The Old Republic

Wish the game wasn't an MMORPG

[thin raft]

I LOVE PAO

PAO CAMEO IN THE FINALE

[cloud narwhal]

AT AAATTT

[thin raft]

I SCREAMED WHEN HE SHOWED UP

WOOOOOO

I LOVE PAO!!!!!!

my genuine reaction when pao showed up

[zinc sluice]

See I don't get how this continuity has like fucking Darth Sion, and other crazy Sith Lord designs

But for some reason the extra-galactic dudes with living technology and armour is a stretch

[glossy cove]

I mean, the Sith are always extra

[zinc sluice]

Its why I don't get the complaints

[thin raft]

the yuuzhan vong couldnt show up in canon because pao would absolutely mog them

[zinc sluice]

Like the dude who feeds and destroys planets, and the guy who lives off pain and can't die

Vs

Aliens who are practitioners of a religion centering around pain and sacrifice (based on real historical ways of life too. Maya and Aztec Empires)

[thick lava]

true

Moroff would end them all with his big gun

[pure vale]

People claim Jyn is his sister but have you looked at Bix? They do look pretty similar, just saying

[fluid phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/now-thats-just-racist-peacemaker-the-suicide-squad-youre-being-a-racist-stop-being-a-racist-gif-26315181

[pure vale]

No u

[glossy cove]

https://x.com/StarWarsExplain/status/1923039657517842765

Star Wars Explained (@StarWarsExplain) on X

Qui-Gon Jinn said it best: There’s always a bigger fish.

X · May 15, 2025, 3:35 PM

[zinc sluice]

Would be ecstatic to see an Andor follow-up novel about Tarkin and recanonise the Maw Installation into the events of the story

[glossy cove]

I thought the Maw Installation was canon

But I may just be thinking of the random Tarkin Initiative station from the Aphra comics

[zinc sluice]

I thought it was too, given how Solo references it

They go through the Maw and then suddenly a fucking Star Destroyer appears

[glossy cove]

Found cool art of it

[glossy cove]

That was the Kessel run

https://fixupx.com/Kerrcarr01/status/1922646276463636676

🟢 Kerrcarr ⚪️ ☄️☄️☄️ (@Kerrcarr01)

His post credit scene gathering everyone to defeat Exar Kun was kino

Quoting Star Wars Holocron (@sw_holocron)
︀
Lucasfilm and Disney have confirmed that Andy Serkis is part of the cast for Andor season 2

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FixupX · May 14, 2025, 1:32 PM

[zinc sluice]

Oh forgot that part haha

[zinc sluice]

Its a fucking mad concept

And it makes so much sense for Tarkin to do

[glossy cove]

Tarkin would build a critical research station next to two converging black holes

[zinc sluice]

Also would deepen Krennic's story as a whole

With all the backstabbing

[cloud narwhal]

Going from this to another Mandoverse project is going to be the biggest tonal whiplash

[vague cave]

Unfortunately I ended up going back to watch a few episodes of Rebels I wanted to see and there was already a huge whiplash

It’s hard to compete with peak

[cloud narwhal]

Next live action project is Mando and Grogu right?

[vague cave]

That is correct

But things don’t look so bad for the animation side

Visions is in October

[cloud narwhal]

Yea and Maul might be good

[vague cave]

Starfighter is 2027

Which that one isn’t a Filoni project but we will see how that goes

Somewhere in there is Ahsoka

[solemn pumice]

TRUE ANDOR WILL NEVER PEAK REBELS

Ahsoka s2 is next year

[vague cave]

It already has

Smh my head

[cloud narwhal]

I think my brain is gonna turn into a smoothie the second I start the Mandalorian and Grogu movie

[vague cave]

On the bright side all of Faverau’s Mandalorian directed episodes have been peak

He did the Season 2 premiere

Didn’t direct a single episode of season 3

[glossy cove]

Is that why that season was awful?

[vague cave]

Okay real talk I hate how these shows switch directors every episode

It was a fun concept at first

The key however is consistency

Keeping things consistent hiring directors who know what they are doing and running in that rotation

When you swap the director out for every episode and bring people who are super in experienced the show will also take a hit

[vague cave]

Literally Favreau, Filoni, and Pascal were absent for a good majority of things

Which is probably why it feels literally lifeless

[cloud narwhal]

No wonder that season felt like the average Fallout playthrough with the endless sidequests

[solemn pumice]

Society If bryce dallas howard directed most of the Mandalorian

[fading marten]

I didn’t hate Ahsoka as much as others, and Mando S3 was ass

[cloud narwhal]

Ahsoka certainly isn’t as bad as Mando S3

[fading marten]

But damn if Andor wasn’t the most peak shit we’ve gotten from Star Wars since the OT

[solemn pumice]

With andor done. Time for the definitive star wars tier last guaranteed to enrage a significant portions of the fandom

[cloud narwhal]

It’s a once in a blue moon type thing unfortunately

[cloud narwhal]

Whoever made this tier list needs to be put down

[solemn pumice]

Damn

[fading marten]

Ain’t no way Ahsoka beats Andor, and Rebels better than the OT is blasphemy.

[solemn pumice]

I made it

[cloud narwhal]

It’s shit

[fading marten]

Fox have you ever heard of a movie called old yeller

[vague cave]

For my own sanity I’m not looking at that

[cloud narwhal]

This has to be a bit

[solemn pumice]

Its not

[cloud narwhal]

That makes it so much worse

[vague cave]

Time for me to rewatch random Clone Wars arcs

Starting with the Citadel

[solemn pumice]

I can acknowledge andor has amazing writing, and still say i like other stuff more than it

[cloud narwhal]

I wish to wade through the bog that is your brain one day

[cloud narwhal]

I gotta put that list on a SW circle jerk subreddit, turn on notifications on my phone and put it in my ass

[solemn pumice]

I have not been shy about the fact rebels is my favourite piece of star wars media outside of comics and games. Like literally nothing will change that

[fading marten]

best vibrator in human history

[solemn pumice]

Nah if you wanted to do that resistance and andor would swap places

Maximise the rage bait

[cloud narwhal]

Too obvious ragebait

It needs to be believable enough

[solemn pumice]

But yeah nah, I do legitimately think andor is amazing. But there's specifically elements with it that I have issues with that put it low.
Which is largely im just not attached to any of the characters. Like I don't give a shit about anybody there but mothma. And I also think s2 kinda rushed a lot of stuff. Which like, i don't fault the show on entirely. Because nobody involved wanted it to take over their lives to do the full 5 seasons. But it does still harm it for me.
I also just don't find the narrative outside of the political commentary that interesting.
Also no sabine

Oh and obviously the comic retcon annoys me on principle

[glossy cove]

Real

Season 3 was so bad that it forced her to make cringe

https://tenor.com/view/the-mandalorian-one-condition-captain-bombardier-there-is-just-one-condition-on-one-condition-gif-7005080897721448117

[solemn pumice]

I can't believe they put their best director on the fucking jack black episode 😭

Also bryce dallas howard should actually direct a star wars movie or her own show

[forest quest]

I miss when Jack Black was likable 😔

[fading marten]

I just really hope Mando & Grogu at least feels more like season 2

Season 2 wasn’t all bad

[forest quest]

I hope it feels more like season 1

[solemn pumice]

Everything from the trailers tbh feels like a In between for s1 and 2

[glossy cove]

https://tenor.com/view/i-hope-so-polka-dot-man-the-suicide-squad-how-i-wish-im-hoping-for-it-gif-21003968

[solemn heath]

He’s Vader if Vader actually had modern medical equipment and not just a shitty ass coffin

And was anti xenophobia

[glossy cove]

The racism leaving Malgus's body when he sees a Twi'lek

https://tenor.com/view/kanye-west-kanyewest-yeezy-meme-gif-22503154

[solemn pumice]

😭

[sweet owl]

Apparently, there was a scene that was removed where Davo Sculdun as the owner of one of the Holonet news networks and would refuse the Imperial order to shut down the Senate broadcast, leading to him being arrested, which is how Perrin ends up shacking up with his wife.

I can't wait to see there be an Andor comic adaptation or novelization that adds back in all the stuff they wanted to do.

[cloud narwhal]

THIS IS WHY PERRIN WAS WITH HER

[sweet owl]

Tony Gilroy says all the cut stuff is still canon.

[cosmic marlin]

Wait why was that deleted?!?

[glossy cove]

Absolutely crazy that fucking Sculdun grew a spine before Perrin

Though I bet he was like the Hospital Owner that got upset his Hospital was put on lockdown

[sweet owl]

Who fucking knows. You know how dumb and out of touch producers and execs are. He also said they had fight to keep the "Who are you?" line in the show, the execs wanted to cut it and Tony Gilroy fought for it very hard, after all...IT'S THE NAME OF THE EPISODE!!

[cosmic marlin]

Bruh

[vague cave]

Literally the scene people probably stick with the most and rounded out his character perfectly 💀

[fluid phoenix]

you think mothma's daugther is aware her dad is banging her husband's mom

[pure vale]

Tcw is on top, so you’re good. For now

[solemn heath]

I mean to be fair it could also be stated that they found out he gave money to Mothma so they could’ve arrested him for basically laundering money to the rebellion

[glossy cove]

https://www.ddinstagram.com/p/DI6yqNMsH0d/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

muhannadbenamor (@muhannadbenamor)

Man what a Dream Job this was 💫
I was 11 years old when I begged my mum to take me to see Rogue One with my brother and cousins. I remember seeing it on the big screens for the first time and instantly became my favourite Star Wars project.
Now I find myself playing a crucial part in this story. Which doesn’t feel real.I always look back to this picture not knowing that years later I’ll be a part of Star Wars and part of the Andor Journey.

What a blessing this Project was !!
First 3 episodes are out now on DISNEY +
THE REBELLION BEGINS !!!!

InstaFix

[forest quest]

They should make Rogue One non canon and just do Andor season 3

[safe berry]

Watching Andor feels like watching the OT, which means you also have to experience a romance to sibling retcon

https://tenor.com/view/george-lucas-its-poetry-rhymes-gif-19518899

[forest quest]

They never confirmed the gender of Cassian’s child, did they?

[glossy cove]

Is Cassian's baby woke?

[forest quest]

Cassian’s baby non-binary confirmed

Staring out into the non-binary sunset

[vague cave]

https://youtu.be/ktTKJbLa3Go?si=t2VhCHG7jfOKootw

Bro knew he had to do it with the orchestra being there

[cloud narwhal]

It was like an itch

My playlist is Finally complete

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/6DdqZjmKaBQyABQQ38Umao?si=4769fb269d7d4d1e

[cloud narwhal]

After everything settled and I had time to think about, Andor season 1 is a 10/10 all round for me while season 2 is a 9/10 simply because at times you do feel that it was supposed to be a 5 season show, especially with episodes 4, 5 and 6, that arc is good but it's honestly at the bottom when it comes to Andor arcs overall, and this season has some things that feel a bit disjointed unlike in season 1, like with the Sienar heist not really meaning much outside of having Cassian be away from Mina-Rau while the Empire does their audit, all pretty minor criticisms but it's why I still think season 1 tops this one

[sweet owl]

Agreed. You can tell they wanted to do more, tell more of the story and their hands were tied at every turn.

[solemn pumice]

Literal little guy

[cloud narwhal]

It’s a miracle the show even exists in the first place and that they managed to condense 4 seasons worth of content into only one season and it not being a complete mess but actually being almost on par with the quality of season 1

[sweet owl]

Indeed! I know I should be lucky we got what we did but I just want to see more I can't help it.

[cosmic marlin]

New king glup shitto

Little guy

[glossy cove]

https://www.slashfilm.com/1857713/andor-showrunner-tony-gilroy-most-controversial-storyline-explained/

I think this article raises a interesting point about Vel and Cinta

[forest quest]

I like season 2 more because I watched it more recently

[forest quest]

I understand what Tony is saying, but it doesn’t sit well with me that this happened with the first onscreen prominent live-action Star Wars characters, and within the same episode where they have their first onscreen kiss when those are so rare between same sex characters in SW

[glossy cove]

That's fair

But also I don't think that its his fault that Disney are a bunch of cowards who are afraid to have any prominent representation in their media

[forest quest]

True but if one knows they are cowards, wouldn’t you want to try going against them by having such characters live?

Like how much does Gilroy actually care?

[glossy cove]

Considering how many characters actually survive the show I think that's fair to say

[glossy cove]

I think he has better things to do with his time that listen to internet discourse

Like, this line implies that he's never heard of stuff like "Bury your Gays" before:

I never thought that was a thing, but if it's a thing, I'm sorry, but I'm not sure I would have done anything differently.

[forest quest]

Yeah it’s easy to forgot Gilroy is basically another old guy

[glossy cove]

I think there's a difference between Vel and Cinta and actual Queerbaiting in shows

There's a tragedy to their relationship because Axis and Cinta's obsession with revenge is ruining their relationship, and by the time she realizes this its too late

I think acting like its another case of writers baiting LGBTQ fans takes away from what's actually in the show

[forest quest]

I don’t think he was baiting, I think he just wasn’t thinking

[glossy cove]

lmao

[forest quest]

Which I know is crazy to say because of how much thought is put into the show

But I just think he wasn’t looking it it from all angles

[glossy cove]

Fair

[forest quest]

Like how George didn’t consider Watto’s accent might seem problematic given the type of character he is depicted as

[glossy cove]

Yeah

I also think there's a difference between George's racist aliens and Tony writing a complicated relationship that fractures because of the Rebellion

I think that if Cinta hadn't realized how badly she'd been treating Vel, Vel really should have broken up with her

Cinta was a bad partner and almost entirely refused to recognize that fact right up until she died

Like, would people have been more willing to notice that if Vel and Cinta had been a hetero couple?

[safe berry]

Tropes are something to be aware of but I feel like sometimes folks can get a bit too caught up with pointing them out like that's all there is to film criticism and discourse

[glossy cove]

Yeah

[forest quest]

closes 10 TV Tropes tabs

[cloud narwhal]

I was thinking about that not long ago, and it was a thing from the first season

Since they were on screen for the first time actually

[fluid phoenix]

I think it's worth saying too almost everything about this show is showing sacrifice. People dying for the freedom of others. It's a nice sentiment to hope a specifically queer couple made it out okay and in a better world we would have more stories like that. But for the theming of the show it makes sense that basically every romantic relationship was doomed.

[glossy cove]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQd4JdFP0d0

[cloud narwhal]

Another THX 1138 referene in Andor

[unreal veldt]

I love how Andor brought back THX-1138 references to Star Wars

[cloud narwhal]

The entire Narkina 5 prison could be seen as a huge THX reference

[unreal veldt]

Hell yes

We need more American Graffiti references in SW too

[cloud narwhal]

Conept art of Luthen before he defected from the Imperial army

[unreal veldt]

So he was 100% a mud trooper on Mimban right?

[cloud narwhal]

Swamp or mud

could have been Mimban

[forest quest]

Andor is THX-1138 but way better

[vague cave]

The costume reference being from Solo is crazy

[cloud narwhal]

It would be crazy that Han Solo, Luthen and Cassian all were on Mimban around the same time

[unreal veldt]

Maybe that's how Luthen knew of Cassian, sounds stupid but bro was paranoid

[thin raft]

why would u remind me of that episode

[cloud narwhal]

The Mandalorian episode?

[thin raft]

yeah

i guess andor too for entirely the opposite reasons

[cloud narwhal]

That’s not even the worst episode in the season

[thin raft]

oh i know

its quite remarkable

[cloud narwhal]

That goes to the Lizzo one

[thick lava]

I don’t know it did have battle droids

[cloud narwhal]

Sometimes I hate that The Mandalorian is an entirely serialised story

[thick lava]

“Count Dooku was a visionary” Doc Brown

[cloud narwhal]

The only good part about that episode was the B2 super battle droid

[forest quest]

Christopher Lloyd shilling Christopher Lee

I really liked that episode

[vague cave]

https://tenor.com/view/b99-captainholt-holt-raymondholt-pain-gif-8793717

[glossy cove]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Fhxj0V5tGY

[cloud narwhal]

Andor

[cloud narwhal]

Hammers home how the effort has cost almost everyone their closest bonds

[cloud narwhal]

https://x.com/Autumn_v1kz/status/1923503683481792732

𝐀𝐮𝐭𝐮𝐦𝐧 🏺🌾✨ (@Autumn_v1kz) on X

💖him💖

X · May 16, 2025, 10:19 PM

[cloud narwhal]

I still think about how there's a chance of Dedra being put into the New Republic Amnesty Program if she didn't get torn apart in prison

[solemn pumice]

I wonder if she got mind flayed

[zinc sluice]

Shit have i already posted this

I've got alzheimers

[cloud narwhal]

Mf I posted it pinging you with said post

The mentia

[cloud narwhal]

I don't think the mind flayer would even work for her she's not only indoctronated but also extremely mentally ill about it

[zinc sluice]

I've got alzheimers

Early

[glossy cove]

Man, another reason why I hate Season 3

[vague cave]

https://tenor.com/view/k2so-kick-star-wars-andor-k-2so-k2-k2so-gif-14924576645592032724

[glossy cove]

The New Republic Amnesty Program is a interesting idea executed poorly, like everything in Mando Season 3

Like, Alphabet Squadron having Yrica Quell's redemption be something she has to actively fight for when the New Republic doesn't trust her and some characters actively work to undermine her is so well done

Meanwhile, the Mandalorian is just like "wow, isn't it crazy that the New Republic gives a pass to War Criminals?"

Which, I guess is relevant

But the political stuff in that Season feels so lazy

[forest quest]

Give Dave and Jon a break. They’re rich guys who feel tired sometimes

[glossy cove]

Filoni and Favreau whenever I say that I'm not a big fan of their newer work

https://tenor.com/view/money-crying-woody-harrelson-wiping-tears-with-money-gif-6945518

[forest quest]

I miss when Favreau was just Foggy in fan acclaimed masterpiece Daredevil (2003) 😭

And when Filoni was just some guy mentioned in the commentary for Mission Hill

[pure vale]

I hate Star Wars fans

[sweet owl]

I love that quote from (at the time) WWE Champion Cody Rhodes is that the Star Wars fandom is the only one that tribalizes and self cannibalizes as much as the Wrestling fandom.

[pure vale]

I’m no wrestling expert, but that’s probably true

[steady needle]

Note that Mando takes place a few years after the war is over.

It's a play on the reconstruction period after the American Civil War and we know how that went.

[vague cave]

I love that the “I burn my life to make a sunrise I’ll never see” equally applies as much for Luthen as it does for Andor

The show literally ending with one is crazy

Most of the monologues from the first season have even more meaning with the second season

[cloud narwhal]

It was a very cool concept introduced for a very mid episode in the series

[glossy cove]

Like, its realistic that the New Republic probably would hire Imperial War Criminals to work for them but the way its used is really lame

[cloud narwhal]

I like the concept that Imperial indoctrination can be so strong you need actual therapy for it

[steady needle]

It's a very obvious half-assed solution due to political compromise because core-world people didn't think the Empire was that bad.

[cloud narwhal]

But it was probably wasted for one of the worst episodes in the entire show

[steady needle]

Belief probably helped by the fact that very few knew that Palpy was a Sith Lord.

[glossy cove]

Please read Alphabet Squadron I'm BEGGING

[cloud narwhal]

Reading is for nerds

[vague cave]

The Mandoverse shows do such an ass job at representing the New Republic

[cloud narwhal]

(I’m a linguist and read all the time)

[steady needle]

According to the Rise and Fall of The Galactic Empire the truth about the emperor only got out only after the battle at Exogol.

[vague cave]

I’m begging for some proper New Republic content outside of that arena

[glossy cove]

It feels like such a random ass thing to include and a waste of a good idea just to set up that Gideon is still out there

[steady needle]

Because at that point they had a whole-ass Sith archive that corroborated what would otherwise sound like Qanon-style shit to the average galactic citizen.

[cloud narwhal]

Season 3 cast its net way too wide

[glossy cove]

Wide as a ocean, shallow as a pool

I still get mad about how contrived Din not being Mandalore is

[cloud narwhal]

It wanted to be way too many things at once

Season 1 is so incredibly straightforward and simple in comparison

[glossy cove]

It feels so contrived that the Darksaber's rules are so bullshit that he lost the right to weild it because he dropped it and Bo picked it up

[steady needle]

Contrived? The guy just refused to do it and found an excuse to get rid of it IIRC. He's not some ambitious glory-hound and just wants to be a good mandalorean dad to his little gremlin son.

[glossy cove]

If a Mouse Droid tripped Gideon in the hallways and its tire touched the Darksaber while it was on the ground, would the Mouse Droid be the new Mandalore?

[steady needle]

Stupid honor rules be like that.

[steady needle]

Not if Gideon took it back soon after on his own which he would do.

[glossy cove]

Season 3 feels like the Writers whipping out a bullhorn and saying "We need to preserve the status quo to sell Baby Yoda merch" and then tearing their entire show down around them

[steady needle]

Technically Din was defeated and Bo in turn defeated who defeated him.

[steady needle]

As if the season 2 finale wouldn't have been just the classic TNG cliffhanger. Mando is a very old fashioned TV show in many respects. The only reason it doesn't have 20 episode seasons is budget and streaming era policies.

[vague cave]

Hfjsjfhsjsjsb

There’s so many things

Mandalorian Season 2’s finale is what got us to where we are now with the show

[cloud narwhal]

Quite literally the Mandalorian was always just meant to be a serialised space western

[vague cave]

Resolving the main conflict by having a CGI Luke Skywalker appear is a terrible way to end the season

Luke shouldn’t have even been in the show in the first place

Then Resolving Grogu’s plotline in another show is straight up stupid

[cloud narwhal]

Even so they should have not completely reversed it in ANOTHER SHOW

[steady needle]

Or at least have courage to recast him.

[vague cave]

What was the point of having Grogu go with Luke if you were going to dump the plotline in one episode

The show was best when it was focused on small scale adventure of a Mandalorian

[cloud narwhal]

The ending of season 2 because of the BOBF episodes feels weightless now that you know he gets him back like a week later

[steady needle]

Same point the TNG end of season cliffhangers had.

[vague cave]

Din has become the character equivalent of a saltine cracker in terms of development

[steady needle]

The main issue is that they spun off what obvisouly was a Tatooine mini-arc originally in its own series.

[vague cave]

He’s not interesting anymore

He doesn’t have depth

He is now generic action protagonist #1892

Not even played by Pedro 85 percent of the time now

[steady needle]

Did he ever?
The reason people liked him is that he's a living action figure, if anything some of the negative reactions I've seen are from when they gave him a glight hint of characterization beyond "mandalorean terminator".

[vague cave]

He had bits with his mortality in the first season but overcame that insanely fast

[glossy cove]

I think Din was doomed the second the show not only introduced characters with more depth to the show, but the writers actively rejected him growing at all

[vague cave]

Turning him into a New Republic soldier is so damn boring

Why is that the direction we are taking with his character

[glossy cove]

Not only does he not become Mandalore, not only does he not have to let Grogu go, but he's still racist now

[cloud narwhal]

Every time he was supposed to grow he didn’t

[vague cave]

Everytime it was set up

They went the other way

[glossy cove]

All of his growth has been stripped away, and the show doesn't even do anything good with the premise anymore

[vague cave]

Anything to revert genuine progression

[glossy cove]

All of that got given to Bo in Season 3

[vague cave]

Moff Gideon is the most cartoon ass villain and is a joke by the third season

How can you even take him seriously at that point

He dodges death everyone says some stupid one liners and gets defeated easily

[steady needle]

I disagree, becoming a dad is his growth.

Early Din would have gladly become Mandalore.

[vague cave]

This cameo obsession too is ridiculous and takes people out of the experience

It’s gotten too far

Here and there is fine but my god every other episode is just stupid

Not even gulp shittos just random actors appearing for the sake of it

[steady needle]

That wouldn't be an issue if there were more fillers.

[cloud narwhal]

The Lizzo and Jack Black characters were so distracting

[glossy cove]

I clapped when Jack Black said "CHICKEN JOCKEY!" as he comitted war crimes on that Imperial planet

[steady needle]

Not to me, I don't get the hate. Though maybe it's because I don't follow pop music and saw very few Jack Black movies.

[cloud narwhal]

Jack Black has his niche

[vague cave]

The season 2 premiere should be the basis on how the show should be, it takes genuine lore and expands upon it in a genuine great way with Cobb Vanth. The actor feels like he’s genuinely playing his part, the creatures are interesting, the plot is centric on the western set up the show was initially supposed to be built on.

[glossy cove]

No Blaze you don't get it, if we don't have random characters only true fans will recognize, why would people watch the show?

[cloud narwhal]

As I keep saying, the show should be simple serialised adventures with a western vibe

For the most part in seasons 1 and 2 it was like that

[vague cave]

Exactly

The show has for the most part lost its identity

[glossy cove]

I really hope that the movie is the last we ever see of Din and Grogu

[cloud narwhal]

The premier of season 2 was literally just helping a sherif kill a calamity that haunts the town

[vague cave]

It won’t be 💀

[glossy cove]

I know

It might be the last we see of Din though

I can't imagine that he is that interesting if you seperate Baby Yoda from him

[cloud narwhal]

It’s sad that I agree with this because I used to like the show and characters

[glossy cove]

Same

[cloud narwhal]

Before BOBF and season 3

[glossy cove]

I fucking hate that I saw the slippery slope of the Cameos when they were as tame as they were in Season 2

Like, I can still cope about how Boba and Bo do fit into Season 2

Especially since Din is basically a good timeline version of Boba

[cloud narwhal]

As soon as Luke showed up I should have seen that as a bad omen

[glossy cove]

Yeah

I fucking hate that cameo

I hated it then, I still hate it now

[cloud narwhal]

It could have been any other Jedi

I don’t mind it being a Jedi that takes him

But it HAD to be Luke

[glossy cove]

It could have been some rando that Luke sent out to find Force Sensative children

But no, we NEED Luke Skywalker

[cloud narwhal]

I hate the Antichrist (Dave Filoni)

[glossy cove]

Dave Filoni after a long hard day of ruining my life (he made a show I didn't care for)

[fluid phoenix]

Man how about that andor

[cloud narwhal]

https://x.com/Mizmaru/status/1923791336140046586

川原瑞丸 (Mizmaru Kawahara) (@Mizmaru) on X

X · May 17, 2025, 5:22 PM

[solemn pumice]

https://x.com/kyber_kat/status/1923848391987019861?t=WpeIJY14xlXJW2UpgQMuEg&s=19

kat (@kyber_kat) on X

“who is the yavin 4 barber” may i submit a candidate to the court

X · May 17, 2025, 9:09 PM

[glossy cove]

Chopper if he was the Yavin 4 Barber

[cosmic marlin]

If there was one character they should’ve had cameo in Andor, it should’ve been chopper.

If he was on Ghorman the empire would’ve lost so hard

[pure vale]

The ghost crew would’ve hit much harder

[unreal veldt]

So weird how Ben Mendelson went from filming Secret Invasion to Andor Season 2

[glossy cove]

If the Ghost Crew was on Ghorman, the Rebels would have actually have been the ones to shoot first

[fluid phoenix]

ezra knocks out the sniper and steals his uniform

[pure vale]

He still shoots the cops and starts the massacre accidentally

[unreal veldt]

Chopper is there too

[pure vale]

How well do you think chopper would’ve handled the KX units?

[fluid phoenix]

he flies over them and drops a detonator on them

[cosmic marlin]

Chopper wouldn’t leave any evidence

[pure vale]

That might take out most, but not all

[unreal veldt]

Like how R2 handled the Super Battle Droids

[cosmic marlin]

Honestly I’m a little surprised they didn’t show any of the ghorman stuff in rebels, just talked about it

[pure vale]

Chopper would’ve done it immediately

[solemn pumice]

Chopper would be throwing civilians at the KX units to slow them down.

[pure vale]

Now who would win? Super battle droid or KX?

[solemn pumice]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-chopper-get-out-kicked-out-throw-off-ship-gif-16291971192058169560

[fluid phoenix]

KX

Faster

[unreal veldt]

To busy on Lothal

[pure vale]

Smarter too

[solemn pumice]

Depends on if its battlefront 2 super battle droids or regular ones

[unreal veldt]

Nah, Republic Commando Supper Battle Droids

[pure vale]

BF doesn’t count, as it notoriously makes characters OP

[solemn pumice]

Ghorman massacre took place during s3 when they never went back to lothal.

[unreal veldt]

Oops

[pure vale]

I need to rewatch rebels

[solemn pumice]

Being there would but too much pressure on the locals from the empire. So they left during s2 and didn't go back until s4

Was reminded just now. But it was kinda funny watching doctor who and andor at the same time. Because fucking Varada Sethu was in both, with two completely different vibes 😭

[unreal veldt]

Thank you for blessing our screens Varada Sethu

[pure vale]

Let’s hope she doesn’t die a second time

[solemn pumice]

Nah, only the doctors final companion gets bad fates

Or the last 2

Unless your matt smith where all your companions suffer eventually

[pure vale]

Depends on your term of bad fate

[solemn pumice]

Like death or borderline death

Or being in a state nobody wanted. Like Donna in the original run

[pure vale]

What’s her name died and became a cosmic lesbian

Not a terrible fate

[pure vale]

Oh I forgot all about the uncle

wtf Tony, you cock tease

[fluid phoenix]

people thought b2 was gonna become k2?

[solemn pumice]

I think the poe bit is literally just racism

[pure vale]

It’d be stupid, but I can see the logic

[solemn pumice]

Also we already know about poe parents

[pure vale]

For K2

Wasn’t Poe born like closer to ROTJ anyway?

[solemn pumice]

2 years after the battle of endor

He grew up on yavin 4

[sweet owl]

When he shows up in the comics and stuff I want him to look like the Human Jabba from the first cut of Star Wars, with the fur coat and everything.

[pure vale]

No he should look like a legally distinct Mario

[fluid phoenix]

uncle harlow was the dog

[pure vale]

I don’t remember a dog

Oh wait yeah

They peed on B2

[fluid phoenix]

I forgot about that but sure

[vague cave]

I get it now

Syril

Cereal

Bravo Gilroy

👏 🔥

[forest quest]

That’s some Jedi Master Gun-Die shit

[toxic wolf]

I also firmly believe kleya and vel are bitter ex's who def get back together

[zinc sluice]

Darth Revan's Sith Empire emblem engraved on a Gungan Skull??

[glossy cove]

LMAO

[zinc sluice]

Canon Darth Revan is a gungan all along

https://tenor.com/view/darth-jar-jar-lightning-fortnite-star-wars-galatic-battle-gif-10847977017704137140

[cosmic marlin]

Honestly they should do it

[fading marten]

Honestly I wouldn’t mind seeing Jar Jar again

[forest quest]

Best Star Wars character

So is Keleran Beq

[forest quest]

What’s Ezra doing on there?

[fluid phoenix]

that's jabba, not yabba

[solemn heath]

Mesa was Sith, Mesa am Jedi

Mesa has the power and yousa have nothing

[pure vale]

Yabba dabba doo

[nova nebula]

Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street (2007)

[zinc sluice]

Mesa am Revan Reborn, and before mesa, yousa are nothing

[glossy cove]

https://x.com/bc_0024/status/1924040268195536993

BC_024 (@bc_0024) on X

#RogueOne #StarWars #Andor #andorseason2 #fanart

X · May 18, 2025, 9:52 AM

[safe berry]

syril to dedra for some reason

https://tenor.com/view/choking-re4-resident-evil-4-leon-kennedy-reply-gif-6903285710466625711

[cloud narwhal]

Syril wasn’t upholding true Imperial principles (respecting women)

[river ibex]

Syril my beloved

[thin raft]

https://tenor.com/view/i-have-some-deeply-tragic-news-for-you-bad-news-not-a-good-news-joe-lo-truglio-detective-charles-boyle-gif-13251965

[thin raft]

he was a rebel spy after all

[river ibex]

Shhhh

I'm on Season 1

[safe berry]

If you care about spoilers you should probably unfollow the thread

[river ibex]

I know that Andor dies

[pure vale]

It’s a metaphor for life and society

[nova nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/george-lucas-its-poetry-rhymes-gif-19518899

[forest quest]

A New Hope feels like a cartoon after you watch Andor and/or Rogue One

[sonic ravine]

Finished season 2, very good show

[nova nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-spongebob-spongebob-meme-i-don't-get-it-confused-gif-12091655509524369436

[forest quest]

People die in Andor and people have fun in Skeleton Crew. Image also features Aubrey Plaza from Mystery Team and Chris Pratt from The Garfield Movie.

[nova nebula]

I could honestly see Aubrey Plaza appear in S2 of Skeleton Crew if it happens.

[solemn pumice]

https://x.com/Sharkonscarif/status/1924034500842922402

Shark 🧱🔩 (@Sharkonscarif) on X

Not now sweetie I'm cyberbullying the emporer

X · May 18, 2025, 9:29 AM

[thin raft]

if only this had happened to leida

[pure vale]

She got married. Same thing

[pure vale]

ROTJ really ruined Andors work. Can’t believe they made everything in Andor pointless. SMH they ruined Star Wars

[cosmic marlin]

Star Wars really ruined Andor

[fluid phoenix]

So true

[pure vale]

Childhood officially ruined

[pure vale]

Do you guys think if Luthen was around to meet K2, he’d be like this around him the entire time:

https://tenor.com/view/black-stare-nah-wyd-eye-gif-23953713

[unreal veldt]

"I know where you were"

[thin raft]

thinking about how saw was like “u guys dont even know where i am” and the rebel council was like “ur on jedha” and he was like “…………………. no im not”

[vague cave]

That was so fucking funny

I forgot about that

[thin raft]

bro was an actual good revolutionary for ages but he huffed so much fuel he legitimately just became a threat bc he got to be more of a loose cannon than he already was 😭😭😭

i gotta respect it

[safe berry]

when I first saw rogue one I thought he just needed that shit for oxygen cause he was wounded in a past battle or something

him just being a schizo drug addict makes me like his character a lot more

[vague cave]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-andor-saw-gerrera-you-have-no-idea-where-i-am-forest-whitaker-can't-find-me-gif-2267275254411891623

https://tenor.com/view/andor-saw-gerrera-crazy-i-am-crazy-star-wars-crazy-gif-4578083233542508699

https://tenor.com/view/saw-gerrera-rogue-one-star-gif-19871138

Bro is a living meme

[glossy cove]

It's really funny that he went from being a tragically misguided figure spurred by the death of his sister to lash out at the world to a crackhead that huffs gas fumes

[safe berry]

having both that serious and then batshit insane side makes him a really fun character

[solemn heath]

Me playing Jedi: Fallen Order and trying to get back to my ship on Zeffo

[vague cave]

💀

@solemn pumice

[glossy cove]

What is this from?

I need it for a video I'm working on

[vague cave]

https://youtu.be/4Hk3w9W0ZjA?si=xCq4jznH28J1BqCn

[glossy cove]

Thanks

[safe berry]

Based honestly

[solemn pumice]

https://tenor.com/view/hammer-gif-19949441

[glossy cove]

https://tenor.com/view/bob-monsters-vs-aliens-pops-bob-pops-meme-gif-2923017302726920509

[forest quest]

Excited about Andor tonight

[fading marten]

https://tenor.com/view/pascal-pedro-pedro-pascal-discord-crying-gif-21761489

[solemn pumice]

Andor if it was good

[thin raft]

https://tenor.com/view/dance-moves-grooves-gif-17002539

[tall field]

is it just me?

Just finished the show btw. Quite liked it

[glossy cove]

Congrats on your transition Vel

[forest quest]

They

Fuckin

COOKED

with these 3 new episodes

K-2SO vs clone Grievous was INSANE

[fluid phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/baby-dead-chomp-fat-baby-gif-8520593905880901561

[pure vale]

Don’t threaten me with a good time

[thin raft]

terrifying

[vague cave]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-andor-dedra-pwned-dedra-meero-denise-gough-orson-krennic-gif-349235014186041273

[fleet pagoda]

Apparently Ben improvised the finger thing on the spot

[toxic wolf]

https://www.tpmblr.com/peachandpinwheel/783495646509432833/one-of-the-hundred-things-i-love-about-andor-is?source=share

[thin raft]

https://tenor.com/view/ratatouille-remy-pure-poetry-poetry-perfect-gif-25629423

[pure vale]

Me when I find a child with a soft spot in their head

[thin raft]

if only someone did that to dedra when she was a newborn

[pure vale]

But then we wouldn’t have andor

[thin raft]

fuuuuck

[glossy cove]

"WHAT THE HELL IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN YOU AND ME???"
"The difference is...I'm not mid"

[pure vale]

At least one of them lived

[vague cave]

Imagine if Kallus had kept that godawful haircut and beard throughout all of Rebels

His rebellion design is so much better dude 😭

[glossy cove]

Because Rebels refused to kill any Heroes besides Kanan and also Gregor for some reason

[pure vale]

Not everything has to be all death

[vague cave]

Pure ADHD thoughts but Kanan’s death is such a well done scene

Doesn’t have much deaths but that one cooks a lot

[thin raft]

if any rebels characters met luthen they’d be dead in minutes 😭

[solemn pumice]

aside from chopper

[pure vale]

A lot of them could easily kill him

[steady needle]

Also Commander Sato.

[glossy cove]

Oh yeah

[steady needle]

Rebels also had a much higher episode count, the deaths if you look at it aren't that fewer than Andor just more spread out because otherwise they'd run out of characters.

[glossy cove]

I've never actually seen the episode where he dies

[pure vale]

There was the two decapitated officers

[steady needle]

It's when they almost get massacred while evacuating Chopper base IIRC, Sato decides to get in the way of some imperial cruisers to give the others an opening.

With the added bonus of Thrawn having correctly predicted it but the two officers in charge of the cruisers refused to follow his orders because they assumed the stinky alien wanted to deny them glory on the battlefield.

[steady needle]

Those weren't on the heroes' side if I get who you are referring to.

[pure vale]

True

[glossy cove]

Palpatine when Imperial Racism denies him a easy win (He is the biggest racist of all)

[fluid phoenix]

End of the day it was just a kid's show

[steady needle]

In general Rebels did sprinkle a lot of the stuff that in Andor is more overt.

[steady needle]

Thrawn fails either because he can't account for weird force stuff or because the Imperial machine just doesn't like neither aliens nor competence and he is both.

There is also a would-be defector from the Empire that gets used as bait then killed.

[steady needle]

In my time they would have censored it to death.

[glossy cove]

I've been enjoying my rewatch so far but I'm dreading the show getting more serious after Season 2 because that's when I started hating it

[thick lava]

Rebels definitely had a bigger struggle appealing to network over heads considering the nature of child programming on tv networks

[steady needle]

Also Disney ended up killing most of their animation efforts anyway.

[thick lava]

Like things were getting more strict in terms of displaying violence on tv channels

[steady needle]

Because they are stupid.

[thick lava]

Difference between Transformers Prime and Rid 15

[steady needle]

RiD 15 was still too violent and serious for Japanese kids TV somehow.

[thick lava]

Huh didn’t know that

[steady needle]

I always tell that to people that think Japan doesn't censor things.

[thick lava]

The tv death was too much for them

[steady needle]

Apparently it's because the target for Transformers there is like... pre-schoolers.

Or at the very least early elementary school.

The idea is that older kids will buy model kits rather than toy robots.

So basically every TF series from Beast Wars on was macekred to death there, except that crap Netflix CGI trilogy I think.

There is an adult demographics of toy collectors interested in Transformers and old diaclone/microchange stuff but it's peripheral and mostly old geewunners or as mentioned diaclone/microchange fans.

Hence the Masterpiece/MPG line and the Diaclone revival.

[thick lava]

That does put a lot of the 2010’s for Transformers into perspective

[steady needle]

Transformers fandom in general is much stronger in the west than in Japan.

Takara screwed it up big time with Prime and RiD in particular.

[thick lava]

Even with how networks changed with Cartoon Network making everything to fit in a 15 minute block instead of 30 resulting in Cyberverse

Cyberverse really felt like a 30 minute show crammed into 7

[steady needle]

Cyberverse is fine, even great at times, unfortunately CN for some reason forgot to air the cartoon to sell toys at hours when kids actually watch TV.

So Hasbro went to Nick who still screwed it up apparently.

[thick lava]

Yeah

Thanks Paramount+

[steady needle]

Then people wonder why the mainline is mostly G1 and the movies.

[thick lava]

Did you know they still haven’t aired the rest of the show on Nickelodeon yet

[steady needle]

No, but I'm not surprised in the least.

[thick lava]

They didn’t even finish season two until after season three was released in the streaming service there was a six month wait between episodes of a single season

[thick lava]

Season 2 was almost over when the started airing the second batch of season one half a year before that

[steady needle]

Between that and the mismanagement of TF-One no wonder Hasbro is fed up with producing new TF media.

[solemn pumice]

At a certain point it's entirely hasbro as well 💀
Like paramount fucked up one and earth spark.
But hasbro also been cancelling shit left and right

The only successful thing they've done recently is the energon Universe. And that's like only good because hasbro clearly has little involvement in it

[steady needle]

From what I understand they have plenty of involvement, the writer had to consult with Hasbro execs on stuff and was surprised they accepted his pitch and specifically they told him they were fine with not having Bumblebee because they were a bit fed up with him themselves.

I think it's just that with comics there are inherently fewer cooks in the kitchen.

Transformers cartoons have to contend with networks often despising children's animation and trying to get rid of it in favour of live action productions every so often.

Disney has the same problem recently, execs screwing with animation even though it should theoretically be the bread and butter of their kids programming.

You can tell Resistance was more constrained than Rebels to the point what while I personally enoyed it I can't really recommend it to people.

[solemn pumice]

Yeah but hasbro involvement in the energon universe is still the bare minimum borderline what it should be.
Meanwhile they mismanage every single other thing.
Its been well known how shitty dnd gotten thanks to hasbro and wotc over management and push for monitorization, or the constant quality drops in toys while they keep charging more.

Or the fact they keep cancelling transformers game, after mismanaging their entire development and refuse to make more. While taking down fan ones and refusing to make the old ones avaliable. Despite the constant out cry for them to renew the licence and them regularly reappearing unlisted on storefronts

[finite turtle]

Resistance isn't an E Tier show and I'll die on that hill

[vague cave]

Fine it’s a G show

[solemn pumice]

Its only there cause I only watched a few episodes

Didn't have Disney plus when it was airing and never got round to actually sitting down and watching it

[sweet owl]

Resistance overall is fine...the main problem is the main character being an annoying, clumsy nusance.

He can't help it, after all, the main character's dad is THIS GUY

He always reacts to everything like a chimpanzee that chugged a case of redbull.

A lot of the side characters and ship designs are great.

Neeku is a precious bean and if anything happens to him I'm gonna kill you all.

Also this character Hype Fazon, is voiced by Donald Faison.

https://tenor.com/view/scrubs-turk-christopher-turk-donald-faison-dance-gif-20910955

[thin raft]

havent seen it but apparently the crimson corsair shows up so its peak

[forest quest]

They did nothing with the fact Kix should be with him though

Resistance is pretty good comedy-wise

But Tam’s trajectory just isn’t believable to me

And I think the show is mistitled. Like, yes, the characters show resistance against the First Order. But when someone goes into a show titled Star Wars Resistance, they’re gonna expect more of the actual Resistance.

Should’ve been called Star Wars Colossus or something. That way it wouldn’t feel like a colossal waste of time for those expecting it to fulfill crossing over with the Resistance conflict

[sweet owl]

Yeah, absolute misnomer

[forest quest]

Like imagine if Young Jedi Adventures had been titled Secrets of the Jedi Order

[vague cave]

https://youtu.be/-WGKy5JbXss?si=ATmsKQdoGWVlI5C6

It’s kind of funny how good this deleted scene is

Makes me wish they actually kept it

It would have been sick to see Mon in Revenge of the Sith knowing what we know of her in Andor

The dialogue almost feels like it could be in Andor lmao

[forest quest]

From what I remember, a reason George deleted these scenes was he didn’t like having too much of Anakin and Padme being on opposite sides

[glossy cove]

Booo

[forest quest]

Also reread the novelization earlier this year and it’s funny how after the “this is how Liberty dies” moment Padme tells Bail and Mon to plan in secret even if it takes twenty years (she actually says twenty years) to accomplish a rebellion

And she tells them this because she has a feeling she’s not gonna live much longer. She says that aloud. The novelization’s kinda wack in places

[vague cave]

Which is wild because you can see clearly in the clip she’s very conflicted

[fluid phoenix]

It's not a bad scene, but I can see why they cut it purely from a pacing stand point

I feel like it speaks to Lucas's weakness when it comes to directing actors that there's still a weird stiffness to the performances

[vague cave]

The movies have all sorts of acting talent but many of them come off has stiff because of direction

Which is funny considering he’s the one who wrote and directed characters like Han Solo and Leia Organa

Who are like bursting with personality

[fluid phoenix]

I think back then people cared less about his advice tbh

If a line sounded stupid they'd tell him

[sweet owl]

The original Star Wars was saved in the editing room, and Empire and Jedi were saved by someone else sitting in the director's chairs

[forest quest]

The original would be kinda garbo without the music

[pure vale]

still kinda is

[forest quest]

Like, Luke discovering the burnt corpses of his aunt and uncle would be unintentionally funny if it didn’t have the music

[pure vale]

That actually sounds like a fun watch. A New Hope, but there’s no music. Not even the cantina band

[vague cave]

Empire Strikes Back is such a peak film

I like A New Hope a lot but the second Empire starts you can feel the passion

It’s so well set up and doesn’t have any moments that drag

Thankfully it’s also the film Lucas tampered with the least with the Special Editions

And most of the changes in Empire actually make sense like Palpatine and Boba’s voice

[steady needle]

One of the producers helped with coaching the actors on set IIRC.

And ESB and ROTJ had other directors doing most of the work on set.

[forest quest]

For Palpatine, I wish it wasn’t so obvious it was ROTS era Palpy

And I would’ve preferred Boba Fett had his original voice and the explanation be he has a voice changer

Could’ve had a little scene where he takes off his helmet and it’s Tem

[fluid phoenix]

Yeah the palp change is kinda meh

The fact that the fans made a more accurate edit just using rotj footage is wild

[vague cave]

Anything is better than donut eyed Palpatine

[fluid phoenix]

I'm just glad they got it right for kenobi