Andor

[cloud narwhal]

His actions

[glass lichen]

Oh I’m not referring to his character

I’m talking overall

[cloud narwhal]

Overall applies here too

How characters react, emote, how they talk

It’s all there

The main difference is Andor is way more subtle about it than other media

[glossy cove]

Honestly, now I'm confused because the way that they both do it is pretty similar

[cloud narwhal]

It feels way more grounded

[glass lichen]

I see your point but yeah the subtly of it becomes a bit to excessive for me

That’s why I found it to be more enjoyable upon each rewatch

Because the first time is more of a casual experience

[cloud narwhal]

It allows for way deeper characterisation under the typical traits

[glass lichen]

I feel like nothing has topped the prison arc in season one so far

[glass lichen]

True, but I find their hinting to be a bit of a tease to where it leaves me with some disappointment

[glossy cove]

Like, both of their deaths are implied and not shown. The only difference is that we see the Stormtrooper take the shot at Brasso but we don't see the Trooper shoot Kuiil with his bike

And honestly, the Trooper could have just been taking another shot and him

[glossy cove]

That's honestly valid

[glass lichen]

Watching andor is like going to eat at a restaurant expecting a delicious steak dinner that’s taking forever to cook but in the meantime you eat tasty appetizers.

[glossy cove]

That arc hit a lot harder on rewatch for me than it did the first time I saw it

[glass lichen]

Oh yes that’s why I said it’s ironic

[cloud narwhal]

Probably because these are the types of shows that are meant to be binged

Rather than experienced like this

[glass lichen]

I felt sad the first time and that wasn’t even binging

[cloud narwhal]

A lot of the plot in Andor is about a buildup of tension in each arc

[glass lichen]

I think it’s the stakes, because Kuil was literally ready to enjoy his life but willingly helped because he cared about gorgu, then Grogu gets captured.

[glossy cove]

Yeah

I honestly can see why it might be easier for people to connect with Kuiil than Brasso

[glass lichen]

Which i love

But tension becomes weak where there isn’t any engagement

I’m too lazy to explain so here

My comment

[glossy cove]

Brasso is a good person and in Andor that makes him one of the most powerful character, but if I remember right Kuiil is starting to get a passion for life again while helping Mando and freinds so his death hits hard

[glass lichen]

Brassos death actually isn’t devoid of emotion but I think my problem was I wish I could have felt more

And I gotta say

[cloud narwhal]

It’s probably because more subtle writing isn’t something you get intrigued by compared to others

[glass lichen]

Diego luna killed that facial expression

His face in the ending scene of season 3 was absolutely masterful

I could see the pain in his eyes, that look gave me so much information at oncd

Top notch acting

The music, however was an odd choke but made sense. Just felt like more of a marvel series ending, instead of dramatic but to each their own

[glass lichen]

Read my screenshot

What the

Why am I a nerf herder

[steady needle]

ANH was lightning fast for the time and it's still not exactly a slow movie even by modern standards.

[glossy cove]

Yeah, I think this is valid

I think comparitively, the Mandalorian is a much easier show to get people hooked on

I know it took me a few episodes to click with Andor when I first watched it

[steady needle]

I don't find Andor particularly slow except for a few episodes here and there.

[glossy cove]

And I know I appreciate it more on rewatch than I did the first time, even though I eventually really liked it

Like, I know Baby Yoda was a big thing that eventually caused people to flock to the Mandalorian, but it did show a lot of stuff in general that people wanted to see in Star Wars but hadn't for a long time

[steady needle]

Mando is more fast-paced by virtue of being self-contained episodes, but it's also a much safer show overall. First episodes seem engineered to give us very little of Mando's real character so people that just want action figures doing cool things on screen can be satisfied.

I am probably one of the few that prefers later Mando to early Mando. 😆

[glossy cove]

Fair

[glass lichen]

I wouldn’t go as far as to say that

[glossy cove]

I just prefer the First Season to everything that came after because it was the only time that Mando didn't get immediately overshadowed by Glup Shittos

[steady needle]

But I am also the odd Star Wars fan that never got the appeal of Boba Fett.

[glass lichen]

I don’t like fast paced tbh

I prefer moderate or slower

And world building is some of my favorite things

[vague cave]

Losing my mind looking at this chat

[glass lichen]

That’s not odd, that’s just sensical

[glass lichen]

Go find it

[glossy cove]

Din is a simple character who really works when he's playing against original characters, so it doesn't surprise me that Season 3 immediately pivoted to follow Bo Katan even if I think it hurt the show overall

[glass lichen]

He’s simple but I feel had some subtly

[steady needle]

ANH cuts a lot between shots, it just wasn't done at the time. It's just that its rythm has become the baseline for standard hollywood blockbusters but at the time it was the first really big movie to go that fast in terms of rythm.

[glass lichen]

I mean for a guy that hates droids why did he take a liking to IG-11

[glass lichen]

Pacing isn’t always about actions or cuts

But I see what you are saying

[unreal veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/monster-versus-vs-alien-monster-vs-alien-gif-16037253809360562033

[glass lichen]

Because I personally find the radio dramas to be better than the movies

It builds everything up so well

[glossy cove]

If I remember right, its because he became more sympthatic once Kuiil talked to him about how Droids (especially ones built for combat) have very little say in the kind of person that they can be

[glass lichen]

Oh yeah it’s funny when someone assumes people don’t like andor because of attention span

[steady needle]

Same scene made with a wide shot to smaller details feels inherently slower than one where thy just cut shot to shot every few seconds. ANH first rough cut was cut more classically and was deemed a snoozefest.

It was literally made in the editing.

[glass lichen]

From the first episode he seemed okay because he only shot IG after he felt the baby’s life was in danger

Which to me was a clue that he had somewhat of a moral compass

He is compassionate

But eh maybe I’m just reaching

[glass lichen]

Ah I’m aware

[safe berry]

Mando is weird because he has a very clear arc where through IG-11 he learns to accept droids and then in the later seasons he just reverts back into being a bigot

[glossy cove]

They really didn't think resetting the show's status quo through

[glass lichen]

I feel it’s a bit extreme to call him that, but that has to do with the problem of his writing

[vague cave]

Finally Imperial Kim Wexler has a figure

[glass lichen]

Continuity

[glossy cove]

I honestly think that Din's in a WORSE place though because he went from hating all of them to being like "At least R5-D4 is one of the good ones" though now that I say that there's pretty much no difference 💀

[unreal veldt]

For like one episode it was so weird

[glass lichen]

And learning to understand droids doesn’t erase the trauma he faced

[safe berry]

It doesn't erase it but it should change how he expresses it or otherwise that whole character moment was for nothing

[glass lichen]

Yes I agree

[safe berry]

When Brasso was crouch walking around stormtrooper patrols in the fields with his bushy beard, blue shirt and suspenders I immediately thought of Arthur Morgan

[cloud narwhal]

This explains why I’m attracted to him

[safe berry]

Not usually my type but there is something very attractive about physically large and traditionally masculine men who choose to be kind hearted

[cloud narwhal]

This made me wanna continue playing Red Dead Redemption 2

[glass lichen]

You’re a good man Arthur Morgan

[nova nebula]

Y’all think this season will have an F-bomb?

Maarva was originally gonna say “FUCK THE EMPIRE!” during her posthumous speech until they decided to change it to “FIGHT THE EMPIRE!”

[glossy cove]

I doubt it

Honestly, the more I think about "Fuck the Empire!" it sounds corny and not in a Star Wars way

If there's any show that's earned the right for profanity, its Andor

But I don't know if it would fit the tone

If that makes sense

[solemn pumice]

Mothma should call palpatine a cunt

[glossy cove]

YAAAS

[glass lichen]

I miss the old Star Wars curse words

As long as they don’t overuse the new ones they make

“Dank Ferrick”

[pure vale]

Who the hell is in that blue picture?

[cloud narwhal]

It should go like every UK parliament session

[fluid phoenix]

Saw?

Wait no it looks like he has a mask

Yeah I got nothing

[pure vale]

Looks like Hondo with a messed up face

[glossy cove]

Do they have a buildable figure?

It almost looks like a Cassian fit, but its too detailed

[pure vale]

Nah, they don’t do the BaF thing

[safe berry]

It looks like someone part swapped and did a return

She's supposed to come with a blank data pad

[vague cave]

Lmao that’s hilarious

[pure vale]

Gross

[cloud narwhal]

https://open.spotify.com/album/6LslS0wAyFP0pdh7z0v0Hb?si=iz50CoAeRL29nwvxzBeyJA

https://open.spotify.com/track/3EuWixAWoTqRVdUsy8GwQQ?si=lTd3Fx_URfGwo_z_0L-13g&context=spotify%3Aalbum%3A6LslS0wAyFP0pdh7z0v0Hb

Omg Britell hii!!!!

@thin raft

I am also happy Britell wrote Saw’s theme in this

I didn’t expect my favourite track from this arc to be from Robers over any Britell track

https://open.spotify.com/track/5GzAtUuAYrRjjrNbHDZfvR?si=73zaP3-qR46ePtefQ5Bhtw&context=spotify%3Aalbum%3A6LslS0wAyFP0pdh7z0v0Hb

I’m impressed they’re blending their styles well

[toxic wolf]

I cant believe we got confirmation Syril sucks the strap

[unreal veldt]

About time

[fluid phoenix]

he really is just like me fr

[safe berry]

she calls him her little sea turtle the way he be choking on plastic

[sweet owl]

The CLERKS show was SO good.

[glossy cove]

The only thing that made me laugh was the cutoff right when they called Steven Speilberg to the witness stand

[sweet owl]

That's how the show excelled was usually a series of mediocre jokes that are secretly setups for a great punchline.

[forest quest]

Sure as hell is a lot better thank Clerks 3

[cloud narwhal]

https://x.com/i/status/1918014290235408661

kay #Andor (@jeronandor) on X

Varada Sethu and Faye Marsay are my favorite work wives

X · May 1, 2025, 6:46 PM

[toxic wolf]

Nice.

[vague cave]

Nice.

[cloud narwhal]

Luthen’s problem is that all of his agents are hot asf so they keep being attracted to each other

[pure vale]

If you told me the entire cast of Andor were fucking on set, I’d believe you and clap

[glossy cove]

https://tenor.com/view/thesis-please-major-partagaz-andor-isb-galactic-empire-gif-4137159446559399673

[vague cave]

I gotta know who is designing Mon’s outfits in these episodes

Those costume designers are working damn overtime

[pure vale]

Is it the same lady who made padmes clothes? Does she still work at LF?

[cloud narwhal]

The costumes in the prequels were peak and this show is the only one that gets to that level

Mon Mothma’s traditional Chandrillan outfits remind me a lot of Padmé’s in TPM and AOTC

[pure vale]

I bet they bonded over fashion

Girlfriends

[cloud narwhal]

The Naboo and Chandrillans in a fashion-off

[pure vale]

“How do we appeal more to women?”
It’s right there, Disney!!

[glossy cove]

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Unidentified_Ukio_melon

UNIDENTIFIED

UKIO

MELON

WHY DOES THIS PAGE EXIST?!?!

[cloud narwhal]

People who create and edit Wookieepedia articles have a higher level of autism that is fascinating

[glossy cove]

True, and I respect it

[cloud narwhal]

The screenshots that started popping up of Bail Organa make me feel a bit more relaxed that the recast was done because they genuinely wanted to keep the character in the story but it was just impossible to get Jimmy Smits on board

Not to mention, Tony and Jimmy tried their hardest to make it happen

The effort counts as well

[glossy cove]

Honestly, its a good recast

Maybe its just me, but he looks really young in this picture

[cloud narwhal]

it just feels kinda ass cause he played the character for more than two decades

[glossy cove]

Yeah

The recast honestly feels a lot more authentic to where Bail would be at this point

[cloud narwhal]

Still my favourite part of the Obi-Wan Kenobi show was Bail and how he was towards Leia

[quick scroll]

Yeah what happened

[glossy cove]

One of the heroes of the Senate in the Clone Wars just beaten down by the atrocities of the Empire

[cloud narwhal]

Scheduling issues

[quick scroll]

no fuckin

serious?

Im surprised they didnt face swap him in

[cloud narwhal]

I'm glad they didn't do a deepfake

[quick scroll]

we have the most convincing deepfakes now and NOW they choose to recast

[glossy cove]

I wonder if they'd shoot new stuff with Jimmy if they did a Home Release of Season 2

[royal flume]

(honestly star wars is the kind of series where I'm fine with recasts, idk why, but with bail I just went "huh, that's not the usual guy" and just went with it)

[glossy cove]

Yeah

[cloud narwhal]

It felt like that cause he has been consistently played by the same actor since he first appeared on-screen

Bro was in EVERYTHING that had Bail Organa in

He was like the immortal crumb in your airfryer that kept getting cooked over and over again

[fading marten]

The part where Obi Wan talks to Leia at the end had me crying like a baby, surprising bc a lot of the previous stuff was mediocre

[royal flume]

I do agree that consistency is better especially if he's been around that long but idk maybe I don't feel that strongly about bail ig

[safe berry]

when you play the same character for over twenty years and for the first time you get the opportunity to actually act in the role only to get recasted

[cloud narwhal]

Many such cases with that show

[fading marten]

The last half of that final episode is brilliant and the rest is just so forgettable

[glossy cove]

I really hope the Vader/Obi Wan fight isn't included in that half

[fading marten]

That fight was good but whoever decided on the shaky cam should go to hell

[glossy cove]

I think people who like that fight but hate the Mustafar duel should not be allowed to vote

[cloud narwhal]

My main issue with that show is that it looks like absolute ass

And is directed and shot like ass

[glossy cove]

Yeah

[cloud narwhal]

It's one of the ugliest shows I've ever seen in my life and it's hilarious after watching Andor

[glossy cove]

My main issue with Obi Wan is that the show has occasional moments of brilliance that are immediately moved on from

[safe berry]

The first fight scene between Vader and Obi-Wan felt like it was directed by StarWarsTheory

[royal flume]

Where's that one edit i saw years ago that makes the camera shake more

[fading marten]

Like the writing is mostly decent but it’s all brought down by the visuals

[cloud narwhal]

And then Andor comes around and has the budget of TLJ for one season

this season is the most expensive Star Wars project ever filmed

[pure vale]

Fr?

[glossy cove]

Makes sense

There's a shit ton of practical sets

Plus it looks beautiful

https://tenor.com/view/andor-star-wars-rebellion-eye-episode6-gif-26911567

[cloud narwhal]

I like that a lot of the colours are kinda muted for the most part

[forest quest]

I actually saw someone say they didn’t like the recast because of how it would feel watching chronologically, and they’re upset because other people are saying they’re fine with it and thought Benjamin did a good job.

The OP is complaining that Star Wars fandom won’t let people (aka them) feel emotion over such changes.

And yet they didn’t like me saying a few years ago I didn’t like the change to Caleb Dume’s story in Bad Batch 🙄

Rogue One Special Edition where Benjamin Bratt replaces Jimmy Smits

[pure vale]

Unspecial edition

[glossy cove]

https://tenor.com/view/office-michael-scott-thank-you-gif-5278681

Caleb being in the Bad Batch not only adds nothing to the show but it also invalidates the much more interesting version in the comics

I honestly think that scene would have been much better if it HADN'T been Caleb

A character we know survives

Just having it be a random Padawan where its unclear if they survive this encounter would have made the BB's choice to save Omega have more depth to it

[forest quest]

Yeah it would’ve been an unknown if it were a new kid trying to survive

Also wouldn’t have old ass Freddie Prinze Jr voice

Caleb’s camaraderie with the clones in the comic was fascinating but the show doesn’t even touch on that

[solemn pumice]

I can understand doing it from a new viewers perspective. More so since I know somebody who's watching star wars stuff for the first time with somebody else. And I assume he's gonna go straight from clone wars to bad batch, then rebels. And kanan might be a pretty good surprise for him

[forest quest]

Could’ve even just been one of the characters from the younglings arc of TCW

[glossy cove]

I think the thing that frustrates me about the way that most Disney+ shows handle legacy characters is that its just to remind you that they exist

For most of them I don't care because sometimes those characters deserve to be fleshed out or are fun bit parts

I honestly think the Martez Sisters are better in TBB than they are in TCW

[forest quest]

I think I liked them in equal amount in both shows

[glossy cove]

But it just gets grating when some character comes back and violates a pre-existing story that was done better just because "muh brand"

[forest quest]

Curious what the Battle of Coruscant was like from their perspective

[solemn pumice]

I'm like 90% sure it was only kanan because they had his model for clone wars s7. Or it's just the other way around and the model was made for bad batch. Then thrown into clone wars and tales of the jedi

[solemn pumice]

They but they also exist naturally in the story and are there to get the batch back in contact with rex

[glossy cove]

I think the only thing I actually disliked about the Martez Sisters Arc in the final Season is that it felt really flat and repetative

Definitely the weaker of the two "reintroduce characters to the audience" arcs before the Siege of Mandalore

[solemn pumice]

Probably because they weren't in the original version that was half animated

[forest quest]

It definitely could’ve been tightened to a 3-episode arc

I’m not sure that I like it less than the Bad Batch arc though

[glossy cove]

The one episode where nothing happens really upset me

They escape from their cell, then get put back, and that's the episode

[forest quest]

Don’t watch Twin Peaks then lol

[glossy cove]

I assume its whatever in Twin Peaks because that's a full series

Not the official end to one of the most beloved pieces of Star Wars media

[forest quest]

I mean, the episode I’m alluding to was the end of the entire story

Like you can definitely read into what happens but it also feels like nothing happens

But everyone loved it so I guess it’s whatever

[safe berry]

David Lynch projects run on a completely different standard

[glass lichen]

I’m going to be honest, seeing a recast like that felt so cursed

I was like if she didn’t say senator organa

[glass lichen]

Must have skipped a chapter

[glass lichen]

I get why they did it

But man did Freddy screw up that voice, dude sounded at least 18

[solemn pumice]

Bro expecting a grown ass man with a incredibly deep voice to sound like a 14 year old 😭

[glossy cove]

Should have put the chipmunk voice filter on him

[fleet pagoda]

The Bix track at the very end of the collection is awesome

We need more 80s synths back in music

[solemn pumice]

Bro has seen some shit

[glossy cove]

❌ Seen some Shit
✅ Smoked more Gas Fumes

[pure vale]

Plot twist: they got him high for an authentic performance

[cloud narwhal]

If Bix is going to die I’d hope she’ll get one more moment to be a badass like she was in episode 6

[glossy cove]

Yeah

Out of everyone, I hope she dies last

[vague cave]

I’m actually so excited to see who dies in this next arc

Weird as that sounds

[cloud narwhal]

Went back to look at the scene between her and Cassian and he was tracing the show’s logo/symbol on her hand

[glossy cove]

https://www.threads.com/@garrettmakesart/post/DJKYlahyBto?xmt=AQGzWD2yJ5D4SFWbo-B-xsIwtRmAxL2677S9u1lzB61u3A

[cloud narwhal]

Tony Gilroy loves the expanded universe so much he even canonised Spaceballs

[glossy cove]

When will Mel Brooks be in Andor

That's what I want to know

https://tenor.com/view/blazing-saddles-phoney-baloney-jobs-mel-brooks-gif-11081722040142320272

[forest quest]

Dave Baloney

[toxic wolf]

Who knew the next door would he hers

[cloud narwhal]

I wonder how the grief will affect Vel

Her monologue while she scolded French Jerma was genuinely heartbreaking

[glossy cove]

Vel enters a loving relationship with the lady that works in Luthen's shop

[glass lichen]

Or just hire a professional voice actor 😐

[glass lichen]

Felt a bit ignorant because he didn’t do it on purpose and clearly felt terrible

[cloud narwhal]

He still brought a blaster after specifically being told not to

They were completely inexperienced at doing operations like that and were told to either listen to exactly what Vel and Cinta told them or not to do it at all, that’s on him for straight up ignoring advice from someone who is clearly 100x more experienced and skilled

[glass lichen]

Ngl I didn’t catch that

[safe berry]

French Jerma 💀

[glass lichen]

But other than that I still feel like he was provoked

[cloud narwhal]

Even looking at the situation

It wasn’t one that you should pull your blaster out for

It was possible to defuse it without weapons

[steady needle]

The dude was ordered in no uncertain terms not to bring blasters and did anyway.
He's just an idiot.

[cloud narwhal]

Cinta’s death is 100% on him

He deserved the scolding

[pure vale]

Awful

[cloud narwhal]

I just realised how Bix and Cassian managed to infiltrate and destroy Ghorst’s office

Partagaz gets Lonnie and Heert to keep an eye on him because Ghorst became an asset for the Navy and not just the ISB
Due to the raid on the transports in Palmo Partagaz and Dedra have an emergency meeting and Heert and Lonnie are let go so they can go to Davo’s party, Luthen hears this from Lonnie and sends Bix and Cassian to infiltrate and take Ghorst out

There was a signal from Luthen right before the party

I have no clue why it took me this long to figure it out

This leaves a target on Lonnie’s back actually

[glossy cove]

ADD HIM TO THE BINGO CARD

[safe berry]

Lonnie is 100% cooked

[fluid phoenix]

Yeah nah he's definitely dead

[glossy cove]

Bro is going to the family shipping buisness in Heaven

Wouldn't be surprised if this is the move that outs Luthen

In actually being a good person for a change by helping Bix heal, he ends up dooming his network

[pure vale]

Honestly forgot he was still alive until last week

[safe berry]

the sickness

[cloud narwhal]

[cloud narwhal]

This would be a pretty good conclusion to his character, he died because he wanted to help one of his agents on a personal level in addition to taking out a valuable Imperial asset

But Lonnie is 100% cooked because there is a direct link between him and the location of Gorst's office

[steady needle]

Wasn't Luthen already there in Rogue One? Or am I misremembering things? 🤔

[glossy cove]

no

[pure vale]

Nope. He’s an Andor original

I think Cass and Mon are the only returning characters

[unreal veldt]

Melshi, Saw, the Two Tubes brothers, and Moroff

[pure vale]

Fuck you’re right

It’s mainly people super close to Cass I guess

[unreal veldt]

Plus the Partisans

[pure vale]

He’s gonna lose everyone, isn’t he

[unreal veldt]

Yeah

[glossy cove]

It's gonna be awesome

[unreal veldt]

I fear Bix and Wilmon will die in the Ghorman Massacre

And Luthen will die in the final arc, severing all of Andor's ties to his pre Rebellion life

Or Luthen will be killed by Kleya

50/50

[pure vale]

I receive: all your loved ones
You receive: one mean droid

[unreal veldt]

And a fully funded Rebellion on Yavin 4

[cloud narwhal]

Krennic

[unreal veldt]

Fuck

Forgor

[cloud narwhal]

Like the main villain of Rogue One lmao

[pure vale]

The main villain is fate

[cloud narwhal]

Is it just me or does the intro theme for episode 6 sound like a Kung Fu Panda action scene song

https://open.spotify.com/track/4R2bLR5cNsprbGedUNyMX7?si=VMIigYFzSYOBm7TSF0DgnA

[fluid phoenix]

And "Bail Organa"

[cloud narwhal]

It’s his body double

[pure vale]

That was Jail Smorgana

[cloud narwhal]

Another thing I think explains why Dedra said “Imperial Kinder bloc” is probably the Empire retroactively rewriting any mention of the Rebulic in their records because I remember Xan said Kenari was abandoned after an Imperial mining disaster but we saw it was abandoned much earlier during Cassian’s youth

[cosmic marlin]

I love the little alien guys in Saw Gerreras crew

[pure vale]

Saw has an amazing collection of Glups. Desperately need the giant furry guy

[cloud narwhal]

I love how Saw’s Partisans over the course of the pre GCW era become even more unhinged-looking the more Saw’s mental health deteriorates

In Jedi Fallen Order on Kashyyyk they were just your average group of insurgents

By the time Rogue One rolls up his group is just a wacky assortment of Glup Shittos

[vague cave]

It’s fun to see the rich idiot side of StarWars

[safe berry]

It would be cool to see pre-space whale thrawn in live action

[cloud narwhal]

I love how Luthen is essentially hiding in plain sight he’s not just some random pawn shop owner he’s within the elites of antiquity shop owners

[fluid phoenix]

gotta get your money from somewhere

[cloud narwhal]

Also nobody in the Empire probably expects the elite and wealthy to rebel first

It’s something weird happening here in Serbia too the people rebelling against the government for the most part are middle and upper class, the extremely impoverished are used or blackmailed by the government

[frail steppe]

Makes sense honestly

Same thing happening with Iraq, the poorer classes are being taken advantage by US, Iran and the Sadrist movements and any other movement.

[cloud narwhal]

It’s a tactic used by autocrats nowadays, the lowest layer is either too poor or too manipulated

[glossy cove]

I like how this implies that the Whales made him fat

[frail steppe]

Middle and upper classes are usually more educated so they know the bs when they spot it. It’s easier to have a poorer uneducated class.

[cloud narwhal]

Ghorman massacre tomorrow

[cloud narwhal]

Seems like Cassian will finally get a U-Wing in the next arc

[vague cave]

Lmao

Syril is truly going to have the time of his life

[pure vale]

Syril did you bomb a building?!

[cloud narwhal]

In the trailers and clips Syril is shown frequently in the middle of that riot at the plaza bro is NOT surviving

[pure vale]

https://tenor.com/view/pirates-of-the-caribbean-explosion-ship-destroyed-captain-gif-3532311

[forest quest]

This is how I imagine Thrawn going down

[pure vale]

He definitely needs to finally die with dignity

[glossy cove]

If he died like Cutler Beckett I would die of cringe

But I don't think its possible for Thrawn to have a good death in Canon at this point anyway

[pure vale]

He will die fucking your mom

[glossy cove]

False

Thrawn is gay

Why do you think its so important for him to have a male assistant

Filoni is lowkey homophobic for not giving Thrawn a twink or dilf

Enoch doesn't count because that guy's probably undead

[fluid phoenix]

Dig up your buried gays

[pure vale]

Night of the living gay!

[cloud narwhal]

homosexuality and necrophilia in one

[pure vale]

I don’t mind corpses, I just think they shouldn’t get married

[pure vale]

It need Mpreg jack

[forest quest]

We all know Rukh was doing freaky shit with him

[vague cave]

Unsurprisingly early critics who have seen tomorrow’s arc say it’s the best of the season if not the series

[cloud narwhal]

I don’t doubt it a lot of time and tension is being built up

And it’s the central event of the entire season which I didn’t expect

It’s gonna be tough to beat Aldhani and Narkina 5

But I don’t doubt it’s gonna be up there

[pure vale]

K2???

[solemn pumice]

K2 literally won't be in the show until the last arc

[pure vale]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-up-enough-quiet-be-quiet-yelling-gif-5476712

[vague cave]

People kept asking about it to the point Tony Gilroy got on an interview and basically said “yeah his fat ass too big to be rolling around Ghorman”

[solemn pumice]

But also because a lot of cassian and K2 story has been told in the comics and books. And gilroy like the one writer actively working with lucasfilm who actually gives a shit about the extended media. And isn't gonna overstep on it

[glossy cove]

Did they already meet in books and comics?

[solemn pumice]

As much as I do like basically e everything star wars. I'd be lying if I said I didn't miss the like, 2015-2018 era of lucasfilm where they had the story group lore experts. Where people like pablo would sit down with the creatives and make sure the movie and publishing side weren't stepping over each other and not fucking the other over

[solemn pumice]

Their first meeting and mission together was covered in a comic

[pure vale]

I literally found their comic meetup in a box today

[glossy cove]

It is pretty funny

Sad that their meetup probably won't be in the show because its really funny

[zinc sluice]

Idk I think having essentially paid Star Wars wookieepedia readers dictating your story and if it contradicts random book or comic would be a pain

I’d also imagine these groups wouldn’t be much imaginative

Given how vanilla and frankly unimaginative most of Star Wars was from 2015-2018, I think that kind of proves what I’m saying

[glossy cove]

I think outright ignoring SW Canon and Legends can lead to interesting creative directions but not off the bat

[solemn pumice]

Not that were much better now. With basically zero story groups existing outside of the publishing side of things.
Its also not like they were there to dictate what could or couldn't happen. It was literally just a 3rd party to make sure everybody knew these things were happening in each side of the franchise and have it so they don't overstep on somebody else's work.
Like we wouldn't have gotten the fucking poe spice runner shit if they were still actively around

[fluid phoenix]

I think ultimately it wouldn't be an issue if expanded material wasn't mainly about preexisting characters

[solemn pumice]

Yeah but that shit sells more and a lot of the stuff from that era was basically mandated to be tie ins and bridge the gaps between events and characters backstories

[fluid phoenix]

I know it makes sense from a business perspective in the short term

But in the long term books and comics are inherently a niche topic that I don't think are ever going to pull a huge audience. You get some sales from it, but I think it's smarter to invest in unique stories marketed less as Star Wars add-ons and more as just good stories in the universe. Gain more goodwill and trust from the people who actually want fun scifi fantasy content regardless of their interest in the franchise.

[solemn pumice]

Its also just the fact bridging out broadly is incredibly hard even ignoring the sales part of things.
We're lucky as fuck to have aphra existing in the first place. And even then she needed to be introduced through a vader comics.
But there's also not like it wasn't broadly done. Poe story mostly focused on his parents. Characters that will never be in anything. And we got a decent amount of novels during 2015-18 that focused on nee characters entirely. Like alphabet squadron

[fluid phoenix]

I don't know what the numbers were like for the High Republic stuff, but that seemed like a solid enough strategy. I think having characters and stories connect vaguely across different target demographics was odd, but otherwise it seems like there is a decent dedication to those characters from the fans.

[solemn pumice]

Yeah but i feel like the high republic specifically did well because it was a new era. There was more to work with there and the writers don't have to be dictated by the movies, since there's nothing in that period and nothing mentioned there by the movies

[fluid phoenix]

That's what I mean, I feel like you could easily do stories set in very isolated environments regardless of the era.

[solemn pumice]

I think its pretty hard to do that during the ot movies specifically. Since the time between each movie is pretty small and it's hard to tell stories from the rebels perspective without using the old characters.
Its also why most of the original characters from the galactic civil war are all imperial. Less defined side of the conflict. So there's more room for new characters.
And aphra fills a pretty broad spectrum of '"not the main plot" side of the comics

And it's also why most shit was set before a new hope. Since the only thing that existed there for the fresh canon was rebels. Which was incredibly specific until like, end of s2/start of s3

[fluid phoenix]

Yeah I'd say OT era is definitely the hardest, but there is like thousands of years of content from the Republic era that could be about basically anything

Even just random single planet conflicts

[solemn pumice]

Yeah but Disney didn't really want anything in that period. Since they were kinda rightfully embarrassed by the prequels and didn't think anything would actively do well with the broad public perception on the movies. So they hyper focused everything on the galactic civil war and after return of the jedi.

[fluid phoenix]

Well yeah I'm saying that if they were smart they could be doing something creative but I know it's disney and they think everything has to sell to everyone or else it isn't worth making

[zinc sluice]

I think what really matters is for creatives to actually know what they’re writing. For example, they hire someone to do old republic, it’s useful for them to actually know shit about that era, so they can make a story that respects it

[solemn pumice]

I disagree incredibly. Respecting other people's work should always be important in a franchise like this, and fans should get work.
But it shouldn't even remotely be the norm or mandatory. Bringing new and fresh writers too the table is always a good thing, especially since they won't be biased against what's come before.

Which i think is a reason why andor so good. Gilroy obviously knows his shit. But he's also not a super fan and isn't trying to copy what's come before him.

Which i think specifically is a big issue with the acolyte. Which I like a lot.
But I'm not gonna act like leslye being a mega fan didn't hinder the show a lot. As she focused too much on putting nods and elements from legends and expanded media into the show, rather than like. Developing the narrative

[glossy cove]

Everything in the Acolyte that I could completement is done better in a different High Republic book

The Path of the Open Hand is a better version of the Brendok Coven

Honestly, Phase 2 basically has a lot of the same stuff

Qimir is the only thing that doesn't have a equivalent, mainly because the Sith aren't major players

[vague cave]

You ever think how incredibly ironic it is that the StarWars writer who wants the least bit to do with the fantastical and science fiction elements of StarWars happens to have the best understanding of the StarWars lore and events that happen

[zinc sluice]

This is what I mean moreso. Not that they’re a super fan, but that they know what they’re writing for, and thus with that knowledge, can really flesh out that overall story

It’s not like “have an encyclopaedic knowledge of the thing” it’s moreso “understand these concepts and ideas and world building well enough to really flesh them out like nobody has done before”

Which is exactly what Gilroy is doing currently with Andor

Most of the best Star Wars projects outside of the films have been ones that aren’t copying or reciting old lore, but rather using those ideas and concepts and expanding on them to evolve the story

KOTOR 2
New Jedi Order
Republic comics
Tales of the Jedi comics

Etc etc

[cloud narwhal]

It’s insane to me that if Tony Gilroy didn’t step up Andor would have been a buddy cop shenanigans show with Cassian and K2

[zinc sluice]

Thankfully we’re in the good timeline

I can’t imagine Andor being a mid filoni-tier show

[cloud narwhal]

I always knew it would be tonally tied to Rogue One but because of how underbaked some of the characters were in R1, especially Cassian, I was highly skeptical till I saw the trailers and clips for season 1

I guess it was the same for me with Skeleton Crew

[zinc sluice]

I think I would’ve actually given up on Star Wars if it wasn’t for Andor reigniting my love for the franchise

[cloud narwhal]

Oh no I tapped out for the most part

Ever since Mando season 3

Helps that Andor season 2 also paid off big fir Disney

[zinc sluice]

Andor is such a weird and beautiful anomaly in the current slop wars climate

It almost feels like a seperate universe to the other shows because of how more deeply fleshed out and well written it is in comparison to everything else

[cloud narwhal]

I hope this is a wake up call for Lucasfilm producers and writers

I don’t want Andor to be the outlier, I want this level of care for the writing for most of the projects

When I say this I don’t mean tone, just attention to making a story that doesn’t feel amateurish

[safe berry]

https://tenor.com/view/majoras-mask-majora-zelda-final-day-gif-26658556

[glossy cove]

Syril will not live to be pegged again

😔

[safe berry]

Everyone's gonna die tonight and it'll be incredible

[cloud narwhal]

I’m betting on Syril, Dedra and Luthen

Vel I think lives

Bix I am not sure

Wilmon js a gamble

[pure vale]

Guys I’m worried Cass is gonna die!

[cloud narwhal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDxOsb5U9QM

This still gives me chills

Her refusing to continue the oath

[safe berry]

cant believe they made the halo prophets canon to star wars

[glossy cove]

If ETs were members of the Senate, it was only a matter of time before the Prophets joined

[cloud narwhal]

If you told 13-year-old me this would be one of my favourite Star Wars characters in 2025 I would have laughed my ass off https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFadMn0EuO0

[glossy cove]

Thinking about how whitewashed the Senate Hall is now

[cloud narwhal]

Oh yeah it looks so depressing

[glossy cove]

It's dingy but there's life to it

Now its sterilized and empty

I'm not sure if we're seeing the Senate Building from the front or the rear, but its sad that this is gone now

Ah my bad, its from the side

[pure vale]

Colors tell a story

[cloud narwhal]

Coruscant overall is less vibrant and lively in Andor

The atmosphere in the entire show is very oppressive but it's the most oppressive on Coruscant

[glossy cove]

Yeah

I like that the only vibrant colors in that picture are the Senators

[pure vale]

Funny enough it’s like the least cold location I’ve seen under imperial control.

[cloud narwhal]

I also like we got Erskin with Mon in live action

[pure vale]

Elvis

[cloud narwhal]

Aso thinking about who these guys are

clearly ISB

just they have body armour and weapons

[glossy cove]

I wouldn't be surprised if this was ISB security or something similar

Maybe the final mission is the Rebellion taking on the ISB in some major way

[pure vale]

Looks like they’re about to home arrest someone

[glossy cove]

I didn't realize this was a Rebels cameo damn

[pure vale]

What a mid glup shitto to use

[glossy cove]

I honestly love that the show's glup shittos are so random

[cloud narwhal]

The ISB is detached from the Imperial Army, Navy and Intelligence since they’re basically law enforcement, and they are also used to keep eyes on most if not all Imperial branches so I wouldn’t be surprised if they have their own armed agents like how the CIA does

[glossy cove]

Much more interesting than something than the other Star Wars shows where its like "what Dave Filoni character will appear today"

[cloud narwhal]

I doubt it, the ISB is way too powerful and they’re mostly used in situations like these, they would be pointless to keep spearheading their efforts against the Rebels around the time of the Battle of Scarif once the Galactic Civil War starts because at that point you’re in an actual war and policing isn’t as useful anymore as military intelligence

[glossy cove]

Yeah

[cloud narwhal]

"Security is an illusion. You want security? Call the Navy. Launch a regiment of troopers. We are healthcare providers. We treat sickness. We identify symptoms. We locate germs whether they arise from within or have come from the outside. The longer we wait to identify a disorder, the harder it is to treat the disease."

Partagaz put it best

[cosmic marlin]

The oathtaker dude in the senate looking like a prophet out of halo

Loved the “we should’ve killed krennic up there”

[vague cave]

Almost an hour left

[glossy cove]

https://tenor.com/view/my-honest-reaction-meme-my-honest-reaction-to-that-information-andor-saw-gerrera-luthen-rael-gif-11865135199753423142

[pure vale]

https://tenor.com/view/farcry6-gif-23383353

[vague cave]

It’s time

💀

I’m not ready

I am but I’m not

SpIdErs

Okay yeah no Syril is definitely dying

Bro has never been more cooked

You know shit is starting to hit the fan when Dedra starts breaking

https://tenor.com/view/gordon-ramsay-finally-good-food-chef-gif-11616250

[glossy cove]

I think it would have been very funny if Syril's house hade been full of Spiders because he takes one whenever he talks from the Ghorman front

Okay, I'm gonna say it

I don't really care that they retconned this comic:

If feels like it comes more from a genuine place than shit like this

Like, this only happened because Filoni was writing the episode and thought the audience would only care about the Order 66 scene if there was a glup shitto in it

[glossy cove]

I read this comic and while I like it and think its a fun story about how they met, it feels a lot more like a casual Star Wars story

ayyy im purple now

https://tenor.com/view/mace-windu-revenge-of-the-sith-gif-22267850

Anyways

Cassian just grabbing K2-SO randomly feels more eeauthentic to the show's themes and ideas

Him just stealing Imperial Tech to further the Rebellion ties directly into Luthen questioning if he's ever actually made his own choices

It shows how Cassian is stuck in this box that he only breaks out of in Rogue One

https://64.media.tumblr.com/199ee921049616f6e6eba81eb75de2e1/aa625ab0635a7c44-99/s540x810/5d5abdf1c0a96a754d1b6bac339fadd3c3e34de8.gif

There's so much good shit in these episodes I honestly don't know where to start

I'll probably hold back until more people wake up

[glossy cove]

Real

[thick lava]

Syril was so close to waking up

but he chose poorly

[cloud narwhal]

I’m watching the episodes after work all I gotta ask is did they retcon Secret Cargo from Rebels?

I’d assume no

[thick lava]

notsaying anything

[zinc sluice]

So that was a horrifying episode

[glossy cove]

Yup

[sweet owl]

I'd say "Poor Cyril" if he wasn't a horrible fascist

"Wait, I voted for the Face Eating Leopard Party, the Leopard isn't supposed to eat MY face."

Also I didn't have "Cassian shoots Mon's driver in broad daylight" on my radar.

[fleet pagoda]

Currently watching the new episodes

Remember when ANDOR was "Why are they making a show about that guy from Rogue One???"

[sweet owl]

In a way that was my attitude, but after the first episode I was hooked.

https://tenor.com/view/mickey-mickey-mouse-absolute-cinema-meme-disney-gif-9794395175278437605

[fleet pagoda]

The show had no right to be as good as it turned out to be

Also, wtf are the Gormans speaking?

Sounds like German and French combined

Except it's just gibberish... I think?

[glossy cove]

It's a mix of a lot of european languages

I think someone said French, Dutch and German

[fleet pagoda]

Oh, so it is made up

[glossy cove]

Yeah

[fleet pagoda]

Cool, cool

[glossy cove]

But it is a real fake language

lmao

[fleet pagoda]

Like Tolkien's Elvish?

[glossy cove]

Yes

[fleet pagoda]

That's a lot of work

Respect.

[glossy cove]

The French Actors who played the Ghormans were talking about it, and after a while they started talking to eachother in Ghorman normally

THIS SHOW IS SO GOOD IT INVENTED A NEW LANGUAGE

[sweet owl]

Yeah, it was saying they mixed up some European phonetics to orchestrate a pig language that seemed to make sense to native French Speakers. I've love to see a Gorman phrasebook

[fleet pagoda]

I'd lowkey get into that

I love languages

[glossy cove]

The main guy compared it to a pig language

It was this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esperanto

[forest quest]

Watching these episodes thinking people should make real life less like Star Wars

[glass lichen]

Rip

[sweet owl]

When Cyril was standing and the chaos was happening around him, I couldn't help but say out loud. "Oh boy. I sure wish I wasn't living through a historically significant event right now..."

I almost got it right.

[forest quest]

So is the retcon explanation gonna be “the comic is the reprogrammed memories K2 got of how he and Cassian met?”

[glossy cove]

I guess, who knows

[fleet pagoda]

I liked Cassian's hotel friend

[glossy cove]

Me when the Bellhop died

https://tenor.com/view/yoda-disturbance-in-the-force-sad-sadge-sadness-gif-26043580

[safe berry]

I love how Syril was so taken aback by the fact the guy who was such a pivotal force in his life and who he obsessed over for so long had literally no fucking idea who he was

[fleet pagoda]

Episode 8 is fucking brutal, man

Got OG Terminator vibes here

[safe berry]

Also I'm glad they retconned that comic I would have been pissed if we didn't get to see how Cassian and K2 met on screen because some lore master was like "umm, ackhtually we told this story already in some mandated movie tie-in material"

[forest quest]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-i-dont-even-know-who-you-are-marvel-gif-15769006

[vague cave]

The second episode may have been the most stressful 40 minutes of my life

What the fuck 💀

The scenes with Syril actually hurt to watch

That was the craziest fucking shit I’ve seen in awhile

They didn’t just cook they cooked

[vague cave]

Why did they do such a good job wrapping up his arc

Having it all come full circle was peak

[forest quest]

You know what?

I’m gonna headcanon that Cassian is unsuccessful in reprogramming this droid and that it was practice. Or maybe Cassian shoots it during the credits.

And then he actually meets K2 in the comic

[vague cave]

The average post episode 8 thought of wait there’s a whole ass episode after that

[forest quest]

^me after The Last Jedi

[vague cave]

I absolutely love how Syril takes out all of his anger and frustration on Andor after all of those years of feeling like he ruined his life just for Andor to tell him that he doesn’t even remember him

What a fitting end for the character

The actor for Syril also did a really really fantastic job

Get that man an Emmy

[forest quest]

Time to watch “Secret Cargo”

[forest quest]

So is Mon Mothma’s message at the beginning of the Rebels episode a different moment from the rotunda one, given her dialogue and outfit are different?

[finite turtle]

Brom Titus mention

[finite turtle]

The Kx's had some of that in mando too

[vague cave]

https://tenor.com/view/mon-mothma-andor-letterboxd-gif-7271074114648716522

Truly a monumental day for StarWars content

[finite turtle]

Syril crashing out was s tier

[vague cave]

We are now cursed with knowing we will never get StarWars content this good again after this next week

[vague cave]

Watching his slow descent throughout the episode and him putting the pieces together about Dedra and the empire’s plan was incredible

I always knew Syril was going to die but I did not picture it would have been like this 😭

Executed perfectly

[finite turtle]

then he's just like, fuck it's andor I gotta kick his ass

I honestly didn't think the two would ever meet again

[vague cave]

The symbol of all of his life problems only for him to realize it was all for nothing when Cassian tells him he doesn’t even know who he is

Peak

[finite turtle]

Not sure how I feel about the intro to K2 joining the cast

Felt a bit random that Kassian took it with him

[fleet pagoda]

No joke, I think he'd be a good James Bond

How is this show so fucking good

Episode 8 was brutal, 9 was so tense

[finite turtle]

Wonder where they'll go with the final episodes

[fleet pagoda]

||I'm also glad they didn't just kill Bix, because I was sure that would happen eventually, but she simply chose to walk away.||

[fleet pagoda]

They're probably gonna end where Rogue One starts

We may get a live action Mothma speech from the Ghost?...

That'd feel a bit awkward tho, so who knows

[finite turtle]

Nah, if we got it, it would've been in this batch of episodes

[fleet pagoda]

That speech happens once Bail makes it to Yavin

[shrewd geyser]

wow i have seen all 3 right now. wow was that good and intense

[finite turtle]

Yeah, but each batch of episodes is a year apart

[fleet pagoda]

I doubt we'll see it, but I think it'd give some closure if we got a scene of Palpatine dissolving the Senate permanently

Though that overlaps with New Hope, so maybe it just doesn't work

[finite turtle]

with this last batch being a year before the battle of yavin

[shrewd geyser]

what do you think will happend in the final 3 episodes? imo there are so many thigs left

[fleet pagoda]

I think we'll have a time skip to a few days/weeks before Rogue One

These 3 eps were 2 years BBY

[shrewd geyser]

i think luthen and lonny might get cought by maybe Deedra? luthen gets so much intel from lonny i dont think that has no consequences.

[fleet pagoda]

I can't get a read on Deedra right now

She seemed utterly destroyed at the end

But I dunno if it's because Syril or because of the Massacre

[shrewd geyser]

oh yeah. but i think she will stay at the empire.

[fleet pagoda]

I have no sympathy for her

[vague cave]

It took Syril finally defying and getting angry, for her to actually feel human emotion

Didn’t think it was possible

But here we are

[fleet pagoda]

It's also crazy how Mon doesn't realize how utterly brutal the underground rebellion actually is

Cassian had to shoot two people to get her out

I am a bit concerned for her family

Well, not terribly. As long as they don't get killed or something.

[shrewd geyser]

i think she learnd it on the hard way wit Tay but dont want to realise or accept it really

[finite turtle]

I can't believe that Tay Kolma died in a freak bath tub toaster accident

[shrewd geyser]

i hope we see parren so we have an ending for this. but i also hope they dont get killed

[fleet pagoda]

I need sleep now.

Can't wait for next Tuesday

Probably gonna rewatch Rogue One right after as well lol

[shrewd geyser]

good night for me its 11 in the morning 😄

[vague cave]

I honestly forgot that Mon appeared in Ahsoka 💀

Really funny to think about

[shrewd geyser]

wait what? XD oh man ohh yes i remenber

[shrewd geyser]

aged well XD

[solemn heath]

I think it’s the same speech and they just retconned it or maybe the one shown in Rebels is a sanitized version of it made by the empire since if I recall they saw it on an imperial news site

[shrewd geyser]

i think its simply a redcon but in universe it might be just a propaganda version

[cloud narwhal]

Mon’s speech in Rebels was aboard the Ghost so this is the prequel to that

It’s just two different speeches

[quick scroll]

fuck that was heavy

[shrewd geyser]

i actually watched the episode a view moments ago. first the ghost crew is watching the holonet with mon appearing with her inconsitent speech in the senat. yes after the rescue she did another speech over Dantooine

[cloud narwhal]

Could be the Holonet version was the sterilised one

[zinc sluice]

Andor did it way better

These 3 episodes were absolutely incredible

Horrifying too

[glossy cove]

If I remember right, Mon Mothma's speech in Rebels was featured on a Imperial Propaganda station, so it was probably garbled to fit their narrative about how she shouldn't be listened to

Honestly impressive that even warped to fit the Imperial Narrative her speech still hits

[shrewd geyser]

i agree totally.

[glossy cove]

https://youtu.be/UF3tZtyDjtQ?si=dIO9rsBIig5u3UQI

Speech is good but makes it way funnier that the Empire tried to detain her

She goes "maybe palpatine is bad 🥺" and the Empire is like "time to kill her!"

I wish Star Wars retcons were done as well as Andor's were

If you're going to invalidate the work of another creator, you should be presenting something superior to what you're replacing

[solemn pumice]

I need to kill gilroy

Bro pulled that shit after I literally just talked about him respecting the expanded media and not touching on it 😭

[glossy cove]

If he did it on the same level that Filoni did, I probably would too

But since he did a better job of handling the subject I don't really care

[solemn pumice]

Eh

Still needs to die

[glossy cove]

💀

[frail steppe]

Why are you purple

[glossy cove]

The Episodes were so good I achieved enlightenment

[frail steppe]

Man why is it all racism against purple roles

Actually nvm it seems like every single role color has its own collection of racism gifs

[solemn pumice]

Baseline. I just don't like when they retcon the books or comics. Because those are already a under appreciated medium for the franchise and it always feels disrespectful regardless of the context or quality of it.

[glossy cove]

That's fair

[solemn pumice]

Unless you're retconning the aftermath trilogy.
Chuck Wendig can burn in hell

[glossy cove]

I just think its stupid that people are getting bent out of shape about Gilroy retconning a tie-in comic, especially when it actually fits

[glossy cove]

What did he do again?

I vaguely remember something about him getting James Gunned

[solemn pumice]

He's a shit writer and a awful person.
Was one of the authors supporting the Internet archive getting taken down

[glossy cove]

Oh yikes

I remember hearing about that

The main thing I remember him for is edgyifying Prequel stuff

So I agree he should burn in hell

[solemn pumice]

Also he doesn't like lord of the rings

[glossy cove]

I wonder if he's a Alt-right grifter now

[solemn pumice]

Wouldn't know. He got bullied into making his account private awhile ago

[glossy cove]

Based

[solemn pumice]

He was very much like, prefomatively progressive though

[frail steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/stalin-joseph-stalin-who-is-this-mf-get-out-get-outta-here-bruh-gif-17648615905493260683

I can tell he hasn’t read a single novel or literature in his life.

[thick lava]

||I did like seeing Mothma's driver getting gunned down. Worst spy ever asked to leave the isb||

[glossy cove]

Crazy how he didn't pay any attention to Lord of the Rings at all

FRODO ISN'T A FUCKING CHOSEN ONE

THE ONLY WAY HE IS IS THAT HE CHOSE TO BE THE ONE TO TAKE THE RING TO MORDOR

[frail steppe]

I don’t think LOTR has a chosen one trope

[glossy cove]

The closest LotR has to being a chosen one is Aragorn

And even then he's just taking his rightful place as King

[frail steppe]

I’m reading through the thing I can tell he’s not understanding it well.

[thick lava]

I have yet to watch LOTR aside from a few scenes on tv, but I was busy doing something when it was on

[solemn pumice]

This is his writing btw

[glossy cove]

Chuck Wendig is a terrible writer

I bounced right off the Aftermath trilogy because its written like a film script

[thick lava]

herky jerky

[frail steppe]

This isn’t how you write books bruh 💔

[cloud narwhal]

Ew

[frail steppe]

Hmmm yes herkily-jerkily I’m telling that to my wife next time we make babies

[cloud narwhal]

Koala ahh writing

[frail steppe]

Legit what the hell is that

[solemn pumice]

Also the implication that frodo was like, fated to carry the ring.
And not that you know him being the ring carrier was a test of character

[glossy cove]

Yeah

Surprise surprise, the guy who can't write doesn't understand themes

[glossy cove]

Okay, now I know he didn't read the fucking books

THE BOOKS ARE FUCKING DIVERSE

TOLKIEN JUST USES LANGUAGE FROM THE 1940S TO TALK ABOUT NON-WHITE PEOPLE

[cloud narwhal]

Frodo’s whole point would’t be impactful if he was a chosen one

[glossy cove]

Or was Chuck too busy zoning out from Tolkien talking about food to fucking pay attention

[cloud narwhal]

He’s meant to illustrate that even insignificant people can be heroes

[glossy cove]

YEAH

[cloud narwhal]

Even the little guy can be brave

[glossy cove]

The whole thing about Hobbits is that they're unlikely heroes

In Lord of the Rings, Hobbits do things like help to kill immortal beings, lead revolutions against opressors, and smoke weed

they do all of these things and they are awesome

[cloud narwhal]

One of the things that will never cease to piss me off is when people misinterpret the very obvious and straightforward themes of LOTR

[glossy cove]

If Chuck was alive when Tolkien was, he probably would have written him asking if the Orcs represent Communists

He seems that stupid

Anyways, I like the Andor Retcons and now I think we should kill Chuck Wendig for not understanding Lord of the Rings

And for definately probably being racist

[forest quest]

At the very least he should be fired. They should cut ties with him after this show. And if he walks away it’ll be because we the fans said he should leave. In this YouTube video essay I will-

I didn’t mind the writing in the Aftermath books

However, Wendig went off the rails when readers criticized those books, going so far as to say anyone who hated them did so because they were anti-gay. And sure there probably were, but he even made that accusation against a gay person I know

Also I fucking hate his Darth Vader annual comic that doesn’t line up well with Vader and Tarkin’s motivations in other stuff or with Catalyst

I’m glad he got fired from Marvel and his Vader miniseries got replaced

[glossy cove]

James Somerton logic 💀

[forest quest]

IIRC, according to Wendig’s comic, Vader hated the Death Star idea so much and it’s implied that he allowed word of it to get out and was playing the long game wanting it destroyed

[glossy cove]

I can follow that logic, if the only Star Wars media you've ever encountered is Episode 4

[forest quest]

I feel like maybe he was also trying to justify Vader not being able to kill all rebels and preventing the plans from being taken in Rogue One

[glossy cove]

Vader talking about how the Death Star is nothing compared to the Force can come across as him not liking it, but its such a surface level thing to base a comic on

[forest quest]

I remember years ago someone commented that Wendig is the type of person people pretend Rian Johnson is lol

[glossy cove]

Sounds accurate

At least Rian lashing out at fans is kind of justified

He may have done this, but he never said that people who critiqued him hated gay people

[forest quest]

As far as we know anyway

Throwback to when he nuked his Twitter and was like “Oh i don’t know, just felt like the right time” lol

And I guess throw forward to when Twitter nuked itself and fucked up

[glossy cove]

Just found out that this existed

Good on him I guess

Would be nice if SW Creatives actually fleshed out the villains that people are interested in instead of being like "ha ha, you suck because you liked a Glup Shitto" but maybe that's just me

[thick lava]

why is the "Your" tradmarked? Not the right word I know

[solemn pumice]

Marrok gonna be in the maul show though. Sk he is being fleshed out

[glossy cove]

Can't wait to see him become a fart cloud

[forest quest]

It really depends. I didn’t think Cad Bane needed to be fleshed out more in Tales of the Underworld

[glossy cove]

I haven't seen those yet so I can say nothing

[solemn pumice]

Yeah but the story good so fuck it

[solemn heath]

https://x.com/rexlottie/status/1919954719289544761?s=46&t=nK2RzESKnrKCyg9YOGR8jQ

elliot ⊬ andor mode (@rexlottie) on X

#andor Senator mothma in cassian’s safehouse

X · May 7, 2025, 3:17 AM

[pure vale]

MY SON. HE’S ALIVE

[glossy cove]

Who?

[cloud narwhal]

K2

Pixar personally gave birth to him

[pure vale]

https://tenor.com/view/critical-role-crit-role-cr-arsequeef-marisha-ray-gif-14843202

[forest quest]

He does look like a Pixar character Tbf

Wall-E-looking motherfucker

[cloud narwhal]

If only SW media didn’t show how horrifying KX security droids are

[forest quest]

SW media should show more of that

[solemn pumice]

Makes it more apparent how fucking cracked cal is to fight them regularly

[pure vale]

They’re just quirky little guys. No no, don’t look at that Ghorman footage. Ignore that

[forest quest]

Imagine if Chopper were in Andor

Dude would’ve been able to do more explicit war crimes

[cloud narwhal]

They aren’t even that difficult in that game even on the highest difficulty

But the way they run and grab you is terrifying

[glossy cove]

I was not expecting K2 to randomly demonstrate why the Midnight Entity kind of sucked in Dr. Who

Like, people dying on impact from being thrown by them in Andor was horrifiying

Meanwhile, in Dr. Who it just looked goofy

[forest quest]

Yeah the last couple DW episodes have been lacking

[glossy cove]

They had to bring back Murray Gold music to make that scene land at all

Don't know the specific track, but I mainly remember it from when Gallifrey gets banished back to the Time Lock

[pure vale]

It’s the fact that if he catches you, he has you stuck for a good 4 or 5 seconds

[cloud narwhal]

And almost half of your HP

[glossy cove]

https://youtu.be/K9UrU3A8Lw0?t=166 at a specific time

[cloud narwhal]

The “I’m gonna getcha” animation

[pure vale]

[forest quest]

Feelsbad knowing this week’s Doctor Who probably won’t be as good as this week’s Andor

Get Tony Gilroy to do Doctor Who

We want him to fuck off from Star Wars, so it works out

just as long as he doesn’t kill off another gay character in DW

[cloud narwhal]

Finally watched episode 8

I’m actually sick to my stomach

That was horrible (10/10 episodes)

[pure vale]

Who are you?

[glossy cove]

I'm Bodhi, the pilot

[unreal veldt]

Me too, my god it was great tho

[cloud narwhal]

I feel so bad for Syril and Dedra even if they are psychopaths

[pure vale]

Turns out she wins the crazy off

[cloud narwhal]

Absolutely

See, Syril was just abused by his mother and needed acceptance so he searched for it in enforcing law and order

[unreal veldt]

The massacre felt just so realistic, the chaos, how it wasn't even the Ghorman's who started shooting, especially after seeing them and their culture the last few episodes

[cloud narwhal]

But that came crashing down once he realised that law and order isn’t what the Empire stands for

[unreal veldt]

I think he sees himself in Cassian too, with his family his mother all seemingly perfect, I don't think Syril went after Cassian for Imperial validation, but for personal with his family life

[glossy cove]

It really shows how every conflict the Empire is involved in is one that they create to benefit themselves

This is a certified Prequel Palpatine moment

[unreal veldt]

And the KX droids being sent

[cloud narwhal]

I actually find it as a cool retcon(?) that Erskin worked for the Axis Network

[fading marten]

Christ episode 8 is so intense

[cloud narwhal]

Episode 8 is horrific

[solemn heath]

https://x.com/ahsokasaether/status/1919966963255902264?s=46&t=nK2RzESKnrKCyg9YOGR8jQ

cass ✨ jyncassian brainrot (@ahsokasaether) on X

#andor spoilers
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perrin going back to their apartments after a long day of schmoozing and mon isn’t there

X · May 7, 2025, 4:06 AM

[solemn heath]

Meanwhile in Book of Boba Fett when they just shoot people

[glossy cove]

Sauceless Interpretation

[cloud narwhal]

This arc easily tops every arc in either season

It was hard to top the Aldhani heist

But it easily tops it

[glossy cove]

Real

[forest quest]

This arc was the best movie since Rogue One

[glossy cove]

The real question is if this Arc was better than the Seige of Mandalore

[cloud narwhal]

Absolutely

[glossy cove]

Yeah same

[cloud narwhal]

(siege of Mandalore is still a 10/10)

[glossy cove]

The Ghorman Massacre is simply a 11/10

[frail steppe]

This sounds wrong if you interpret it in another way

[vague cave]

Surely Dedra being there is not a good sign

Luthen is not surviving 💀

[cloud narwhal]

You know what I find mildly insane

Wilmon surviving

he was pretty much alone in the middle of the plaza during the shootout

[vague cave]

Andor needed an actual friend to stick around so he isn’t entirely alone in the next arc 💀

[solemn pumice]

He has k2 though

[vague cave]

Syril maybe has one of the best character arcs in StarWars

[vague cave]

Tis true

Bro is in a Han Solo situation

[cloud narwhal]

Man I haven't felt so empty after watching Star Wars

since Victory and Death probably

[glass lichen]

Cope. They got lazy and retconned it

[glossy cove]

https://tenor.com/view/brad-pitt-fury-movie-shoot-that-guy-gif-8829002926137263043

[cloud narwhal]

That was the last time I felt similar but with this it's dialed to 11

[glass lichen]

Much more compelling than Andor himself

[cloud narwhal]

The more you talk the more I feel like your only existence here is to ragebait

[vague cave]

Dan Gilroy may not have canonized the K2 arc but he still kept true to the Rebels speech I suppose it evens out

[glass lichen]

No I just don’t feel bad for having less favorable takes

[cloud narwhal]

So ragebait

[solemn pumice]

Imagine joined to troll about andor being peak. Realised everybody loved it then immediately pivoted to being cringe about the show.

[cloud narwhal]

got it

[glossy cove]

I do think its cringe that people are complaining about the K2 retcon like its how Filoni does it so he can play with his toys

Like, there was actual thought behind including K2 in the Season

It actually ties into the story

[glass lichen]

Imagine being so caught up in assumption completely missing the mark

[solemn pumice]

Bro i saw your profile when you joined

[cloud narwhal]

You joined as "andor is peak"

[glass lichen]

Filoni does not get a pass

[cloud narwhal]

then changed to "Mandalorian > Andor"

You are quite literally trying to ragebait

[solemn pumice]

Both are bad

[glass lichen]

If that’s what makes you feel better for me having a fickle mind

[vague cave]

Cringe

[solemn pumice]

The only filoni retcon i don't mind is everything around cobb vanth and free down. Cause fuck aftermath

[cloud narwhal]

No I am literally just telling you to your face what you've been trying to do ever since you joined

[glass lichen]

Sure I felt Andor was peak for a while until I rewatched the mandalorian which made me enjoy it much more actually

[vague cave]

Lmao

[solemn pumice]

https://tenor.com/view/how-bro-felt-after-writing-that-how-bro-felt-alpha-wolf-alpha-alpha-meme-gif-307456636039877895

[glass lichen]

No I’m not a furry

[vague cave]

I do hate how Lucasfilm is so good at connecting the movies and shows and games but the second comics or books get mentioned they start shaking in their boots

[glass lichen]

Now this feels like trolling

[cloud narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/andor-star-wars-star-wars-krennic-gif-13802369085016033445

[vague cave]

We probably won’t ever see Dr. Aphra outside of the books 😭

[glossy cove]

I at least appreciate the consistancy

[cloud narwhal]

To be entirely fair, some characters should just appear in only one form of media

[solemn pumice]

Lucasfilm barely touches the games tbf. The jedi games is like the one piece of extended canon they don't let anybody touch.
Everything else is treated as fair game. Which i fucking despise. Either the books and comics are treated the same as the shows and movie or you can go fuck yourself

[glossy cove]

The Pykes should never be featured in any other medium after the horrendous Book of Boba Fett redesign

[solemn pumice]

Those redesigns came from solo

[cloud narwhal]

Yeah they were on Kessel

[glossy cove]

The Kessel ones are actually better

[glass lichen]

I agree

[glossy cove]

They hide the limitations of translating that design to live action

[glass lichen]

I felt like I was the only one who didn’t realize who they were until the name drop

[glass lichen]

Don’t get me started on Ahsoka and her Mandalorian appearance

Another reason her character had the perfect conclusion on Malacor

[glossy cove]

The Book of Boba Fett just presents them front in center and you realize "Oh, these guys don't look good in live action"

I appreciate the practical effects at least

I think CGI Pykes probably would have looked worse

[glass lichen]

CGI would age terrible

[glossy cove]

But it does feel like the magic of Star Wars aliens was sucked out of them

[glass lichen]

Look at The Hobbit compared to LOTR

[glossy cove]

Like, the designs are good, they just shouldn't have been the Pykes

[glass lichen]

I thought they were just human wearing armor at first glance

[glass lichen]

Accuses me of trolling then proceeds to troll. Very mature

[solemn pumice]

No I'm just saying you're a whiny bitch

[vague cave]

The Massacre episode was so well handled, like everything was set up perfectly, the production quality was like at its highest

I don’t want to even imagine how much money they spent on it

[glass lichen]

You lack even the ability to restrain yourself from insulting

That’s pathetic

I must have offended you

[vague cave]

I’m not saying you should ban this guy but you should totally ban this guy, it would be a real shame if your finger ever so slipped

[solemn heath]

Let’s see cause next week’s arc was written by the same guy who did Aldhani

[cloud narwhal]

The ignore button is a very useful feature

[vague cave]

But that’s less fun

[cloud narwhal]

I mean next arc is most likely about the Death Star

It has to be

[solemn heath]

I always knew you were an imperial sympathizer

[cloud narwhal]

It's less fun for the troll too

and that's more important in this situation

[glossy cove]

My Genuine Reaction:

https://tenor.com/view/syril-karn-star-wars-andor-corporate-security-shock-gif-26818491

[solemn pumice]

https://tenor.com/view/how-bro-felt-saying-that-gif-4176371803490991421

[solemn heath]

In that case

https://tenor.com/view/quick-shot-the-ghoul-fallout-gunslinger-sent-flying-back-gif-11543392434448609229

[vague cave]

This show is definitely getting a few Emmys

[glossy cove]

I think Dan Gilroy should get a special Emmy for the Retcon

[solemn pumice]

Can the emmy be a hammer

[glossy cove]

Maybe he can kill the Cassian Comic's writer with it

[solemn pumice]

https://tenor.com/view/hammer-gif-19949441

[vague cave]

A brick

[solemn heath]

Was the Casssian and K2 comic really that bad

[cloud narwhal]

Episode 8 is like the second highest rated episode of TV on IMDB

[solemn pumice]

NO HE WROTE THE IMMORTAL IRON FIST RUN

He should live that that

[glossy cove]

I don't think its bad, it's just that I think people would have complained more if Andor DIDN'T show them joining

The comic's fine, it just tonally feels more like generic Star Wars fluff

[vague cave]

Tis true

[glossy cove]

It is pretty accurate to the tone of Rogue One

[vague cave]

I imagine if K2 just showed up randomly in the next arc that would have been weird for the audience

[glossy cove]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-k2so-ill-be-there-for-you-cassian-said-i-had-to-i-will-be-there-for-you-gif-25091056

Cassian keeps trying to wipe his memory and K2 keeps trying to strangle him because he fails to do it correctly

[solemn pumice]

I mean. That's fully what I was expecting/hoping they'd do

Like you can fully plant the idea of him setting the groundwork for K2SO here. Then just have him show up later without cassian specifically taking the droid with him and showing us him getting rebooted

[glossy cove]

I also think it worked fine because they didn't make that big of a deal out of it

It's not like Solo where the movie is constantly winking at the Audience

Cassian steals K2 because he's consistently stolen Imperial Tech for the Rebellion

I like the comic, but I think the show is better for Cassian as a character than a comic made to fill a quota, even if it is good

[vague cave]

This show is a 0/10 for making me feel bad for the French

[solemn pumice]

Unfortunately i physically cannot feel bad for the French

[cloud narwhal]

I wanna cut this fucker up into 10 trillion pieces

[glossy cove]

The show does make me want to learn more about Partisans

[cloud narwhal]

I hope he died a very slow and painful death

I hope he died being cooked and eaten by Ewoks on Endor

[glossy cove]

Gonna start singing Bella Ciao

Can we retcon all of the Aftermath Trilogy so that Jar Jar is a part of the Rebellion?

We'd lose Mr. Bones but he's such a basic character he's pretty replaceable

[solemn pumice]

You think chuck was at his chair giggling and kicking his feet when he wrote that jar jar was like government mandated to be a street clown

[glossy cove]

Yes

[solemn pumice]

The Freemaker Adventures gave us R0-GR anyway

[serene berry]

EP 8 was insane.

[cloud narwhal]

Fox is a member of the Ministry of Enlightenment

[solemn pumice]

God forbid a girl hate the French

[vague cave]

https://tenor.com/view/isb-fact-check-fact-checked-false-dedra-gif-14588339901547726997

[glossy cove]

https://tenor.com/view/isb-fact-check-fact-checked-false-dedra-gif-14588339901547726997

[vague cave]

I can’t wait for Dedra to be tossed into a trash compactor and left to die in the next arc

[vague cave]

https://tenor.com/view/isb-fact-check-fact-checked-false-dedra-gif-10973277670966175362

https://tenor.com/view/dedra-meero-star-wars-star-wars-andor-andor-cassian-andor-gif-5089343813374896761

[glossy cove]

https://tenor.com/view/andor-andor-sweep-star-wars-adios-volume-gilroy-gif-26759859

[forest quest]

Siege of Mandalore is a cartoon so it doesn’t count

Also the actual siege of Mandalore actually only happens in the first two eps of that arc

🤓

[solemn pumice]

You should be beaten to death for that statement

[vague cave]

Crazy

[forest quest]

Cartoons are for babies and breakfast cereal eaters

I eat cereal but only at dinner

[vague cave]

Mods kill this man

[solemn pumice]

Bro joined just to say that 😭

[vague cave]

That’s so valid

[glossy cove]

He spoke his truth then died

[solemn pumice]

https://fxtwitter.com/AndorFiles/status/1920088552311820505?t=46wtZ8A7INQm1dKxJiKbCg&s=19

The Cassian Andor Files (@AndorFiles)

Diego Luna and Genevieve O'Reilly as Cassian Andor and Mon Mothma behind the scenes of 'ANDOR' Season 2

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#Andor spoilers
“Krennic’s had the lab in Eadu working overtime all year”
Galen Erso in the lab:

X · May 7, 2025, 1:18 AM

[vague cave]

This is such a funny comment

This is no fascist romance story 😭

[vague cave]

💀

I love that they were fed up with having Mon’s main speech be in Rebels and decided to add on an additional segment

[cloud narwhal]

Better than retconning something from a canon show with 4 seasons and characters that appear in several different shows

[fleet pagoda]

I've never cared about the EU

[cloud narwhal]

This isn't EU

This is canon

[fleet pagoda]

No, I know

What I'm saying is that I don't care if Gilroy changes what was in the EU

The show is good. That's all I care about.

[vague cave]

💀

No like Rebels

Rebels is canon

And that’s what they were changing

[cloud narwhal]

Yea

Nothing in the EU was changed

other than canonising the Tarkin massacre

[unreal veldt]

Did they really change anything in Rebels, I didn't catch it

[cloud narwhal]

Not really

They just added another part of Mon Mothma's speech

[fleet pagoda]

The Rebels speech would happen further down in the timeline though

[cloud narwhal]

Gold Squadron is still the ones that get Mon out of Coruscant

[vague cave]

Not necessarily just took away some of the impact of Mon’s speech in Rebels but ever so slightly