#art-discussion

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glossy acorn
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i remember seeing something like that

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not this

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goofy ahh backgroudn music

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but

toxic merlin
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Avian Mecha (3D recreation)

eager plank
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@upbeat sentinel #art-showcase message "You best hang up that computer call, and come over here and kiss me on my hot mouth. I'm feeling romantical"

vital delta
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what resoulotion you putting that on

foggy aurora
vital delta
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let me try it

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let me see

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what is the number

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i dont know it

foggy aurora
vital delta
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is this right?

vital delta
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or did i made a mistake?

glossy trench
glossy trench
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If render animation, then only eevee

foggy aurora
glossy trench
vital delta
glossy trench
vital delta
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or was it right?

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why is it 40 titles

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for you its 135

foggy aurora
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change the tile size

foggy aurora
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giv me a sec

vital delta
glossy trench
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And if you put good settings, eevee will be even slightly better than cycles

slate rune
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I also thought this until today

slate rune
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Seeing cycles actually render in real time and not lag my pc whilst doing so was magical

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Eevee could never. For some reason cycles just runs better

foggy aurora
glossy trench
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Somehow, I'll give cycles a second chance

slate rune
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I set samples to 500 and noise threshold to 0.1000

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Looks fine and is relatively quick for me

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30-40s a frame (slow, but not that slow for what I've been getting)

glossy trench
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Are you saying cycles are faster than eevee? Fear

slate rune
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It ended up being for me 😭

glossy trench
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All my opinion about cycles is broken

warped iron
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It depends on the scene

foggy aurora
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cycles performance without volumetric🦔
cycles performance with volumetric🐌

vital delta
foggy aurora
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it wasnt for me

vital delta
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can you send me your hole settings?

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im pretty sure its because of that

foggy aurora
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im rendering right now so i cant atm

vital delta
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dam

slate rune
vital delta
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no o

foggy aurora
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bruh

vital delta
foggy aurora
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yes

vital delta
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this ones right to?

foggy aurora
vital delta
glossy trench
vital delta
foggy aurora
vital delta
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so was those settings fine?

foggy aurora
foggy aurora
vital delta
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how about this one as well?

foggy aurora
vital delta
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idk what is good

foggy aurora
vital delta
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yes

vital delta
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yes

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im on render 10 right now

foggy aurora
# vital delta yes

ok mp4 is gud nvm then, but if you want to go safer render in png images

vital delta
foggy aurora
foggy aurora
vital delta
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is it right now?

foggy aurora
vital delta
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8k works but 16k isnt

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🥲

flint panther
flint panther
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My 4070 rendering 170 frames for 6 hours rn

vital delta
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i use 8k from now on

vital delta
flint panther
flint panther
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It maybe renders that slow because of a render passes

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I turned on like 10 of them

vital delta
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i render 2560x1440 1781 frames on cycles in 20 minutes

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yesterday i did it

flint panther
vital delta
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that 1 minute video

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yea

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its was simple asf

flint panther
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Your scenes don’t have this much of objects

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But in my case I just haven’t optimised my render

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Because I’m a lazy ass

vital delta
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same here bro

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my ass is so big i cant get up

flint panther
vital delta
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dont ever say big ass in gifs

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dont ever search it

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dont do it

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please

flint panther
glossy trench
flint panther
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And then z and v

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Damn

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ZV

glossy trench
foggy aurora
karmic reef
foggy aurora
vital delta
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cycles

vital delta
foggy aurora
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@potent sorrel sfm was mentionedCapybaraSit

flint panther
potent sorrel
vital delta
sour horizon
vital delta
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this happening

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its mostly because of the video

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cause it was super fast

sour horizon
vital delta
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those blue thing that are tied togther is where her spin the gun but its just so hard asf

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let me do rework on it

sour horizon
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U need a better animation workflow is all I can really think of, if you want to improve

foggy aurora
flint panther
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You are animating

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Not the program

distant jacinth
vital delta
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i reworked the running

vital delta
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the gun

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THE GUN

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THE FUCKING GUN

flint panther
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cvet menyat toje mojno

glossy trench
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Where do you do it?

flint panther
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nah just kidding

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sfm

glossy trench
flint panther
glossy trench
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Nado budet posmotret' chto za nuke

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Interesno stalo

flint panther
glossy trench
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I udobno

warped iron
flint panther
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render otdelnogo sveta voobshe v drugom razdele blendera

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i poprobuy ti soberi za klik vse eti istochiniki v davinci

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tu je cryptomatte ti ne smojesh ispolysovat` v davinci

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da daje v after effects

potent sorrel
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You dont need shit ton compositors

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Just 4 light

flint panther
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would you rerender?

potent sorrel
flint panther
warped iron
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Cool ig

flint panther
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it just harder, but saves alot of time in case of any mistakes

flint panther
potent sorrel
flint panther
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you are using game engine from 2000s

vital delta
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FOOOOOOOOO

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DD

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hehehe

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you got own

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hahaha

glossy trench
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Nvm, I demolished my windows and forgot to transfer this file to a flash drive FEAR

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Apparently I'll do it some other time, probably never

vital delta
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what is the reason

flint panther
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I just hate it

vital delta
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no reason?

flint panther
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I hate sfm

vital delta
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i know but what is the reason

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like about rendering?

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light

glossy trench
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Reasons are not needed

flint panther
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And that’s all

vital delta
glossy trench
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From 2000s

vital delta
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make sense but i hate it because its just have bad graphics

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i was about to use omni verse

glossy trench
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Only bunglow on the noxplis side 🥀

vital delta
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but i chose blender

vital delta
glossy trench
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Bunglow is a noxplis fan

glossy trench
vital delta
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took me 2 hours

glossy trench
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But the last move is too abrupt

vital delta
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i know i have to rework on that to but my ass is just to lazy asf

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so i give up

glossy trench
vital delta
glossy trench
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I'm too lazy to even turn on the computer turkeyman

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For the second day I have been lying in bed and rotting

flint panther
potent sorrel
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Lmao i got into art school

potent sorrel
upbeat sentinel
warped iron
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Blyat

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It autocorrected

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I meant goated

fresh crest
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Ultrakill sharpshooter

dusky crest
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you will use blender at one point..

potent sorrel
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Blender, Maya, Sfm

bronze field
upbeat bridge
bronze field
rancid rock
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HOW DO I GET MR.KALYS

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KLAYS

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SCP-096 SOUNDS

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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

bronze field
plucky hound
quick cobalt
dusky crest
fresh crest
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WHAT THE HEKK

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I NEVER SAW THIS BEFORE

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HOW DOES THIS WORK

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SOME

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SOMEONE PLEASED

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I NEED TO KNOW

sour horizon
# fresh crest

Bro ur like a new born, there's no why you don't know how a gradient works

fresh crest
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i just never saw that tool

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but my friend said its fucking useless

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so im not gonna use it

mental rune
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Ay

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there are children's here

sour horizon
sour horizon
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My b

fresh crest
sour horizon
slate rune
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gradients can be very useful at times but dont overdo it (unless it looks cool)

sour horizon
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I don't use krita so don't take that as Gospel

potent sorrel
slate rune
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knowing pop probably the 939 video

mental rune
fresh crest
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looks funny

fresh crest
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is it ass or no

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i cant fucking

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tell

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how to make it better

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help

slate rune
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um just like art idk

fresh crest
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what the fuck is a mao artstyle

slate rune
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no idea

fresh crest
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OH NOT MAO

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MOE

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im blind af

plucky hound
fresh crest
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Oh you mean

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oh

plucky hound
# fresh crest Ccp?

The joke is that Mao is the name of Mao Zedong, the founder of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) ClassDClueless

fresh crest
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Oh

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oh

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okay

potent sorrel
slate rune
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he needs some happy jelly

dusky crest
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whats the original music?

slate rune
slate rune
potent sorrel
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He moves right leg while other is mid air

slate rune
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nuh uh

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fuckin barely

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that whole scene has some weird rendering errors but its to a point where i dont feel like re-rendering it because it takes like an hour for that scene alone

dire goblet
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Oh wait you already have one

potent sorrel
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Just stoned eyes and face port would not be worth

haughty sonnet
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Making a discord banner for the official french server (wip)

potent sorrel
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Why did i think it was gmod

marble tulip
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is he ok

slate rune
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yeah hes fine

upbeat sentinel
slate rune
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good idea

upbeat sentinel
slate rune
spiral ibex
dire goblet
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but looks REALLY good tho

vital delta
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people makeing cinema animation:)
my lazy ass be like: nah i do it tommarow

flint panther
flint panther
vital delta
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i want to know 1 thing

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does it look like hes hands is squash & stretch

potent sorrel
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3 minutes done already with animation yet so far from finishing it

vital delta
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but my ass

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is just lazy

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🥀

warped iron
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The characters silhouettes are hardly readable

haughty sonnet
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I forgot rim light SteamHappyDance

tough wedge
potent sorrel
old cape
# fresh crest

Implies Shakespeare could create something as great as that animation, which is quite frankly completely false

dusky crest
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sfm looking ass quality @potent sorrel

potent sorrel
dusky crest
potent sorrel
vital delta
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@flint panther bro did you tried the cascadeur yet?

flint panther
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but i think its pretty messy

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for cleaning mocap - nice thing

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other things - idk

vital delta
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for only physics its good like makeing your animations smoother

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and more natural

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but you must know what you have to do

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or you just make it weird like me

dusky crest
tender plume
potent sorrel
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@tough wedge @warped iron @flint panther @dusky crest @dire goblet i have a news for you all

potent sorrel
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Since i am accepted to Art 3D School Starting September 2026, i will be learning Blender and ||Maya||

potent sorrel
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flint panther
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GOD BLESS YOU

potent sorrel
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Maybe gonna start before school so i know basics

dire goblet
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At my college im gonna be learning 3DSMAX and Maya

potent sorrel
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They told me at introduction they do
Unreal, unity, Zbrush, blender, maya and somehow they even mentioned sfm💔

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Didnt really say anything abt sfm only as that its not modelling software

flint panther
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that was their mention

potent sorrel
dire goblet
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still buns

flint panther
potent sorrel
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Im 99% sure i will be one of those mf to say "im so glad i switched"

flint panther
potent sorrel
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Theres one thing

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800€ a month

boreal needle
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that is alot

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that could be adobe creative license for a year life time fl studio and zbrush Fear

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I've done graphic design but reconsidered after it didn't include direct animation within the 3d programs but rather making ads LifeSupport

dusky crest
tough wedge
proud flax
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Okay your style has something special in it ❤️

astral kestrel
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bag_silly

thank you :>

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but now the question is... do i do the new models... or stay with the old ones to just see progression?

vocal roost
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new

slate rune
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id do the new ones. shows a difference in eras

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the new ones also look cooler lol

astral kestrel
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i can agree, except 2 of them i personally have gripes with

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still, i like the direction they went

slate rune
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also hey are you the bag man that was in tonyy's server

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there was a bag headed artist there too i remember

astral kestrel
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uhhhh depends, i've hopped around a lot if scp servers

slate rune
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i meant tinyytonyy's discord

astral kestrel
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i was in gnomememers, don't think i was ever in tonys

slate rune
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or maybe banana's bungalow

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when it was a thing

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must be a different bag man huh

glossy acorn
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banana's bungalow 🥀 💔

astral kestrel
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certainly helps to hide the errors tho

potent sorrel
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Moments before CI breaches in

proud flax
proud flax
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Shot wait

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This logo was so ahh

forest ingot
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started at like 4pm or something and then started doing side quests lol

potent sorrel
rancid rock
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i need a

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scp-2427 model

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😭

glossy acorn
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smh smh

rancid rock
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DOES THIS LOOK GOOD ENOUGH

glossy acorn
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yes

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totally

rancid rock
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i think it has

glossy acorn
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😎

rancid rock
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90k tris

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or more

glossy acorn
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lmfao

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wtf

dusky crest
glossy acorn
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have you tried detriangulating it

rancid rock
glossy acorn
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and then desubdividing it

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why not

rancid rock
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ITS IN ROBLOX

dusky crest
glossy acorn
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export it and reimport it

rancid rock
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and re rigging it is a nightmare

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  • obj ruins the textures
dusky crest
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it does?

rancid rock
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yes

glossy acorn
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oof

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good luck

rancid rock
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a rig

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a simple scp-2427 rig

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atleast

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something

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😢

dusky crest
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no

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you makning robblox game?

rancid rock
dusky crest
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scp sl 3

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rp

glossy acorn
dusky crest
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i ahvent noticed actually

glossy acorn
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lmao

dusky crest
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why?

glossy acorn
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echoes is taking a more survival route rather than round based horror

dusky crest
glossy acorn
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and + with a mistake of mine i got booted

dusky crest
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booted?

glossy acorn
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i cant mention the mistake but it mightve been mentioned before in this discord

glossy acorn
dusky crest
glossy acorn
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kicked

dusky crest
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hm

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damn

glossy acorn
dusky crest
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👍

dusky crest
ruby furnace
potent sorrel
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Sfm

vocal roost
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why is blender constantly freezing for like entire minutes

low quarry
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might've burnt out the motor

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or make sure it's plugged in correctly

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add some water or oil to make it easier to blend

flint panther
vocal roost
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bro it crashed my entire fucking pc and like killed my graphics card

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it’s ok now tho

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smthn about my model is fucked up and lagging my pc super bad

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holy shit its 5 gigabytes

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what did i DO

austere birch
tough wedge
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that's why CI successfully got in the facility

potent sorrel
fading cave
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Foundation employees aren't allowed to be thirsty (This message was brought to you from the Fire Suppression Department)

potent sorrel
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HE'S FUCKING THIRSTY

proud flax
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They should stand in one place 24/7 trust

tough wedge
tough wedge
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it's a lie

potent sorrel
tough wedge
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you are the one who place him in there

potent sorrel
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If it works, it works

tough wedge
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slepping on the work, going to sit on the bench for some reason when he could sit in the office, and then goes for water

dusky crest
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ass lgihtning

tough wedge
potent sorrel
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People like to walk

tough wedge
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why walls are so noisy btw

potent sorrel
potent sorrel
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Im lazy to put everything together in Davinci

potent sorrel
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Or i could just $phongboost 0

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Didnt really notice the hair

tough wedge
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JUB

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Just Use Blender

potent sorrel
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Bro doing all his best just to blame everything😭

potent sorrel
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Ig only reason why the walls are so noisy is cuz how Mesafer ported them to gmod

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I mean its 11.0 map

glossy trench
dusky crest
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vocal roost
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can anyone explain why this file is 5 gigabytes

grave obsidian
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have you purged the unused data

vocal roost
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yes

vocal roost
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every few minutes blender just completely freezes for like a minute

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i don’t know why

slate rune
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auto saving

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if you disable auto saving it will stop

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or reduce the file size because what the fuck 😭

vocal roost
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idk why it’s so big

potent sorrel
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Maybe he knows

vocal roost
slate rune
vocal roost
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thx

vocal roost
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it’s still freezing every so often

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why is this fkn untextured undetailed room so laggy

sour horizon
vocal roost
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can blender lock in 😭 🥀✌️

sour horizon
dusky crest
sour horizon
vocal roost
tough wedge
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i still don't know how to fix this

vocal roost
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left is 5 gigs right isnt even 1 gig 🥀

upbeat sentinel
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why is your blender killing its self

glossy acorn
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and unpack resources to the current directory*

vocal roost
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i would love to too bad blender just froze like a minute ago and still isn’t done

sour horizon
glossy acorn
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write

vocal roost
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automatically pack is off btw

glossy acorn
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1.6k fucking files

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wtf

sour horizon
vocal roost
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idfk

sour horizon
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some h u n k type shi

vocal roost
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the only things i’m using that aren’t just cubes are the railings

glossy acorn
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did unpacking help

vocal roost
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it’s still unpacking

glossy acorn
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ah

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let it

vocal roost
sour horizon
glossy acorn
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didnt you let bunglow texture this area?

vocal roost
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this is a different room

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i’m making the lcz side

glossy acorn
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ah

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i see

tough wedge
glossy acorn
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unpacking generally just saves the textures and other assets into a directory unlike inside the blend file itself

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making the project file faster

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to work with

vocal roost
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if i go in material view blender crashes

vocal roost
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cuz nothing changed

glossy acorn
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hm

vocal roost
glossy acorn
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let the materials load

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top left it should say stuff

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i can join vc if you need help for a bit

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or not

glossy trench
vocal roost
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yay

glossy trench
slate rune
glossy trench
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thanks

stoic spire
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@slate rune here

upbeat vortex
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free for you

slate rune
obtuse shale
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HI

mental rune
vital delta
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im out of ideas

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@flint panther did you use cascadeur? i mean animating with it to see is it good or nah

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i hate the damn school

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its getting my ideas away

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my mind is empty

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like a trash that need to be cleaned again

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scp 500 where are you I NEED YOU

dusky crest
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friend that vrchat

vital delta
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HOW DO YOU KNOW

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HOW DO YOU KNOW

dusky crest
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mate that lightning is shit

vital delta
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you played the game?

dusky crest
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i just know how vrchat looks

vital delta
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no you lieing

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you lier

dusky crest
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5 hours thats it

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5 hour of retardness

vital delta
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let me show you mine

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i did played it like 4month ago

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it was good

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untill its got so boring as hell

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that i buy the forest to play it on vr

potent sorrel
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imma sleep

dusky crest
potent sorrel
potent sorrel
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Gotta add camera movement and dust falling from ceiling

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The locker scene was pain in ass and idk even why

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Video not loading on phone wtf

potent sorrel
dire goblet
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and I used it for GreasePencil only

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look at me now

dire goblet
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it just looks really unnatural

dusky crest
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Scp rp 2

glossy trench
# vital delta

VRchat is one of the best games in concept, but the worst in executionFEAR

rancid rock
rancid rock
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its not even scp:rp

glossy trench
rancid rock
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guys

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is there

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a 2427

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model

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😔

glossy trench
rancid rock
glossy trench
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or are you talking about him?

glossy trench
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oh

rancid rock
glossy trench
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got it

vital delta
rancid rock
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find a model

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all of them r like in source filmmaker

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nobody has ever

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imported them

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in blender

glossy trench
# rancid rock yes

If you have the ability to port it from GMOD, then yes, you can consider this model yours.

vital delta
#

this thing is easy to create yourself

rancid rock
vital delta
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it is

glossy trench
vital delta
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if you know what you have to do

glossy trench
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99:1

rancid rock
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can you guys

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PLEASE

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im begging PLEASE

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import 2427-3 into blender

vital delta
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67

rancid rock
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please

glossy trench
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sorry

rancid rock
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someone else please

glossy trench
glossy trench
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it was supposed to look scary

vital delta
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its look like they are

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doing something

glossy trench
vital delta
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bro....

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that shit dosnt look scary its like class d is scared because the dog is being a diddy level threat

glossy trench
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they don't...

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freaky 939

glossy trench
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I'll make it so that at the end of 939 she does a bite

dusky crest
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you too rn friend

glossy trench
flint panther
vital delta
vital delta
pseudo forum
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Please this channel is spammed with memes

pseudo forum
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Erh

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Whatever, not gonna fight

potent sorrel
vocal roost
dusky crest
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elevator system C

glossy acorn
#

peak

tough wedge
tough wedge
vocal roost
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wire🔥

vital delta
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daddy i want to be a ninja turtles

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why its so slow

glossy trench
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stop it

fresh crest
#

Mmmm yummy shading

vocal roost
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how did that get there

dire ridge
slate rune
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a shelf

vocal roost
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giant shelf

slate rune
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probably deleted the empty it was a child of

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so its transforms reset lol

vocal roost
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to make wires i assume ppl use curves right

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what kind of curves are easiest to work with for wires and stuff

potent sorrel
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I guess after OPERATION:Iron Eclipse (imma rename it)
I shall switch to blender

slate rune
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i use Bezier curves

vocal roost
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alr those are what i used

vocal roost
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what do i do in this occasion

past bane
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Add shadows

slate rune
potent sorrel
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Add rim light

vocal roost
slate rune
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how many lights do you have

vocal roost
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a few

vocal roost
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ig imma turn off shadows on a few lights

upbeat sentinel
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The

glossy acorn
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something i scrapped

lethal tapir
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people be cookin in art showcase

lethal tapir
vital delta
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i know...

lethal tapir
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you be making some weird shit

vital delta
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its still something that its hard to make

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and they are doing a match about who wins i can do it but im just haveing a lazy ass my ass is just so lazy and im out of idea thats why i cant cook

bronze field
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Camera movement blockout, gonna add animations and more props later on

potent sorrel
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@slate rune its over.

tough wedge
potent sorrel
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An Era has to come to an end

fading cave
tender plume
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if only sl lighting actually looked like this

chrome terrace
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guys which tournament even is this?

upbeat sentinel
chrome terrace
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Oh yeah that Tournament™, Completely forgot about that lol

old spire
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@vital delta When posting your artworks based of Memes make sure there isn't anything said that breaks our rules, one of your posts contained slurs that we had to remove, and do calm down on the amount of semi suggestive posts.

forest ingot
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forgot to mount counter strike source

plucky hound
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Happens to the best of us

vital delta
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if something happened

flint panther
potent sorrel
dire goblet
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it's not about the FNaF, Nox

dire goblet
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also do not call my goat Astroliy's content "slop"

dire goblet
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im actually working on a full animation in Blender rn

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spent the last 4 hours rendering 1 shot

dire goblet
potent sorrel
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4k

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256 samples

dire goblet
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I spent 4 rendering 400 frames with 1024 samples soooo

potent sorrel
dire goblet
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dont ask me ask the mask

potent sorrel
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why does he look like freddy fazbear

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hor horhorhrohor

dire goblet
foggy aurora
dire goblet
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ooh it just finished rendering

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my pc is hot holy cow

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aaaaand you cant see shit

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actually with editing it probably wont be noticeable

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it's fine

potent sorrel
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@flint panther не ну он долбаёб

distant jacinth
cursive saffronBOT
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potent sorrel
warped iron
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Id say it’s both dof and lighting that makes it seem like the mtf is not behind the wall

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Also weird ass glowing inverse vampire cube

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On the bottom right

potent sorrel
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@flint panther you fucked up

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No but deadass, did you look at it and say "yeah he behind the wall"😭

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Tbh throwing smoke like that would only make him vulnerable

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Is that the same insurgent as on windops poster?

warped iron
# warped iron

That’s why “orchestrated lighting” should be used sparingly in most situations, it should add visual clearance, not detract from it

potent sorrel
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Is that fisheye filter on it

warped iron
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Doesn’t look like it

potent sorrel
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Now with 🗑

warped iron
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Sfm ahh lighting

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Learn color grading bud

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It’ll fix all your issues

potent sorrel
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Watch yo upload schedules

warped iron
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Stfu I’m busy

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Doing stuff

potent sorrel
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Hell no you're unemployed

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Metal is redoing his work so expect something else

flint panther
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That’s why I’m redoing it

flint panther
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I just copy pasted lighting

flint panther
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I noticed it only now

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Yeah I get it

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The work is total garbage

potent sorrel
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You still have time

flint panther
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I might even change the scene idea

potent sorrel
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What was the reference

flint panther
flint panther