@gaunt talon
#general-chat
true sky
valid silo
blud thinks he's gigachadius
sleek estuary
true sky
xqc in medieval times
true sky
they should add a classic abyss option
valid silo
i prefer old abyss
blud
gaunt talon
dripped out or not
hexed nacelle
люди как в слку зайти, я качаю запрет мне все равно не показывает сервера пишет ошибку
sleek estuary
люди как в слку зайти, я качаю запрет мне все равно не показывает сервера пишет ...
!langru
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meager slate
!o>
snow umbraBOT
toxic dawn
Good luck
timid niche
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/555474008716607514/948611931932082237/ori...
Fat ass rat
timid niche
Off to go to my first day of college!!
Now?
icy flume
Yuh
timid niche
I thought that second semester starts now
icy flume
Maybe it's different in Brazil idk
icy flume
Thank you soo much!!!
timid niche
Thank you soo much!!!
What major?
timid niche
Computer Science
Unemployment
timid niche
stoppp<:Heartbreaking:1350114967377940481>
Hope you'll be the first one gettin youre bed in homeless shelter before art majors (im just joking no offense)
maiden sparrow
meager slate
I love being employed
true sky
dripped out or not
son
meager slate
Csm?
meager slate
Ohh
timid niche
You have one of the characters from it on your pfp
timid niche
I watched the anime and the movie
Are a city mouse or country mouse?
meager slate
Country mouse
meager slate
I'll wait for the animations
tame hollow
I love being employed
Quit lying
meager slate
Quit lying
ebon wharf
@quiet plaza bitch respond
swift terrace
Me when i when
swift terrace
<@810808252149006336> mythomaniac
Blablabla
past dune
Hiii chat
past dune
Hello Nazar
lime bay
Zdarova guys
timid niche
https://tenor.com/view/rigby-rigby-cat-rigby-the-cat-angry-angry-cat-gif-6410514...
Ban for spaming
past dune
thats Rigby
past dune
lime bay
Rebzi,a kto iz vas pishet zzzz v chat?
past dune
Rebzi,a kto iz vas pishet zzzz v chat?
!langru
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simple abyss
I finally have gif perms
I shall take it away
timid niche
I shall take it away
If you do this take alexs perms too
simple abyss
I think
past dune
nuh uh
simple abyss
Alex will keep his perms
past dune
Yes
simple abyss
whether I remove his level role or not
past dune
Yes
simple abyss
but you will not 
past dune
Also yes
timid niche
You wouldn't dare
simple abyss
How r uuu Miller
I have been wanting to go to bed for the past 30 minutes
past dune
I have been wanting to go to bed for the past 30 minutes
go do it then
simple abyss
nah
timid niche
I have been wanting to go to bed for the past 30 minutes
Then go
simple abyss
music goated rn
past dune
You wouldn't dare
yes he will
simple abyss
if there I find smt to watch on crunchyroll I'll go to bed
timid niche
if there I find smt to watch on crunchyroll I'll go to bed
Crunchyroll stinky
timid niche
literal worst platform to watch anime on
Fr
simple abyss
I share it with 3 of my friends
simple abyss
https://www.crunchyroll.com/series/G1XHJV0XM/alya-sometimes-hides-her-feelings-i...
already seen this one
timid niche
if there I find smt to watch on crunchyroll I'll go to bed
Watch mushoku tensai
Its peak
sleek estuary
only decent thing is their products and figures, still a bit overpriced tho
sleek estuary
Watch mushoku tensai
true
past dune
already seen this one
what the flip
sleek estuary
has some weird stuff, but worldbuilding is so good
timid niche
Watch mushoku tensai
Best isekai
sleek estuary
timid niche
has some weird stuff, but worldbuilding is so good
I mean some of it is necessary
sleek estuary
i like rezero but mushoku better
timid niche
And makes sense
sleek estuary
yeah it does
past dune
timid niche
But not everything
simple abyss
i like rezero but mushoku better
rezero makes me wanna slit my arms open
sleek estuary
purrrr~~~~
simple abyss
and just let the blood pour out
sleek estuary
lmfao what
sleek estuary
like good good or bad
sleek estuary
true yeah
simple abyss
makes me wannakms
timid niche
Code geass is peak
Watch code geass
simple abyss
I'm already at the end of s3 iirc
timid niche
You'll love it
past dune
4k
simple abyss
nah lowkey I wanna watch cosmic princess kaguya rn
its been on my tiktok for like 4-5 days now
timid niche
Hells paradise is cool
simple abyss
and I'm genuinly curious as to what that is
timid niche
Fire force too
sleek estuary
nah lowkey I wanna watch cosmic princess kaguya rn
same
im so cooked
my backlong is insane
timid niche
Fire force too
Except fan service
simple abyss
is it netflix only?
sleek estuary
i just put reels into my bookmarks
sleek estuary
dude same
sleek estuary
i used to always watch stuff till like 4am, now im just too lazy and get too tired
simple abyss
yea lol
timid niche
i used to always watch stuff till like 4am, now im just too lazy and get too tir...
Fr
sleek estuary
pov growing up 
simple abyss
I used to watch like 4-5 eps before going to bed now I just pass out and sleep without watching anything
unc status
timid niche
pov growing up <:Fear:1172595228193067138>
I still have 2 years before becoming adult
Its not that bad
simple abyss
okay I'm cooked cosmic princess kaguya is not on crunchyroll 💀
let's see other sites
somber raptor
meager slate
see? and you r calling me names while this Denty guy is here
You guys are both femboys
simple abyss
okay I'm cooked cosmic princess kaguya is not on crunchyroll 💀
hianime has it 
past dune
You guys are both femboys
@sleek estuary
snow umbraBOT
You have just given @sleek estuary a reputation point!
snow umbraBOT
You have just given @simple abyss a reputation point!
sleek estuary
nope
simple abyss
nah
craggy juniper
past dune
bro
meager slate
The denial is crazy
simple abyss
we both are not
thats not true either
sleek estuary
jk
past dune
bro
sleek estuary
😭
simple abyss
craggy juniper
craggy juniper
craggy juniper
meager slate
1984
craggy juniper
maiden sparrow
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1263702124085116970/1351191688789622927/t...
past dune
I love being a QA
craggy juniper
strange trellis
sleek estuary
past dune
maiden sparrow
Hey <@743484677377228822> do you like my cat?
What you think of mine
past dune
What you think of mine
looks like mine
craggy juniper
What you think of mine
meager slate
past dune
not u
timid niche
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1275152746143813692/1466182253062258768/t...
Why is albert wesker a pig
past dune
cuz thats him
thorn ivy
<@1155397296100483102>
somber raptor
meager slate
Image of Alex
past dune
Image of Alex
no
gaunt talon
image of auro
timid niche
Image of Alex
I think that is your photo
gaunt imp
Cat
gaunt imp
Thought that said something different for a second
maiden sparrow
meager slate
I think that is your photo
No..
meager slate
image of auro
Fake
meager slate
No proof
cinder sapphire
I think that is your photo
You want to see Auro image?
timid niche
This is what <@244145431221633025> looks like
Nah napoleon was too tall auro is way shorter
cinder sapphire
True. Napoleon was like 4 feet. Auro is like 1 feet
meager slate
I am 6 FOOT
cinder sapphire
1’ 5 in
maiden sparrow
We saw that
cinder sapphire
We know
meager slate
Saw what
cinder sapphire
Auro actual height is 5ft 0 in
maiden sparrow
past dune
bro
past dune
no
past dune
no
maiden sparrow
past dune
..
cinder sapphire
Hey you deleted my old comment because it didn’t match the chain
Don’t play dumb with me
hushed stone
yeah sure it would
but i'd rather the game be boring as shit than have to go up against a wannabe infamousinvictus sweating his ballsack off everytime i decide to hop on the game
❤️🩹
timid niche
We need more people to comment here <@551023598203043840>
I helped
cinder sapphire
but i'd rather the game be boring as shit than have to go up against a wannabe i...
Correction to your suggestion: Why not delete scps and just add rats to replace them
You can be part of the non rat team or part of the rat team
hushed stone
Correction to your suggestion: Why not delete scps and just add rats to replace ...
danny devitio i get it now eye watering gif
just imagine that its there since ive been stripped butt naked of my embed perms 😭
timid niche
@past dune look at your steam profile
cinder sapphire
I supposed you could spread other diseases
timid niche
Gn chat
cinder sapphire
To the non rat team
timid niche
cinder sapphire
Leptospirosis, Hantavirus, etc
maiden sparrow
Just realized I lost all my steam account comments
gaunt talon
cinder sapphire
I sent two of them as well coward Alex
past dune
I am telling auro you called him short in dms
screenshot of proof
cinder sapphire
Do you think Auro would believe you
past dune
yes
cinder sapphire
Haha
past dune
@meager slate
crimson salmon
Goo goo babies
cinder sapphire
You should stab Alex
crimson salmon
<@244145431221633025>
Why ping the femboy
cinder sapphire
Why ping the femboy
For pinging Auro , Alex should get stabbed. Ya
Rule 6 and 13
I bet the Baldur's Gate TV show is going to be awful knowing wotc track record. @tough tapir
haughty dagger
does directx11 or 12 work better for yall
cinder sapphire
does directx11 or 12 work better for yall
If you are on older hardware direct 11 if not usually direct 12. But it also depends on the game
strong dune
cinder sapphire
https://tenor.com/view/james-doakes-james-doakes-doakes-meme-doakes-suspicious-g...
Dude deleted a comment I said how he was old
Because he wanted the chain to not be broken
past dune
Are these your comments?
no..
strange niche
sleek estuary
does directx11 or 12 work better for yall
completely depends on your system and hardware
dx11 will be more stable, less fps
dx12 likely will be more fps but less stable
depending on gpu
meager slate
<@244145431221633025>
I believe you
meager slate
Why ping the femboy
This is fake
past dune
I believe you
Yay
languid radish
I believe you
Tsk tsk tsk
Maidro hiding behind a halo
I know what you are maidrooo
meager slate
No
meager slate
THATS NOT EVEN TRUE
languid radish
languid radish
THATS NOT EVEN TRUE
YES IT ISSSS
meager slate
No proof
meager slate
Ok but thats Havoc not me
quick knot
-Havoc the II
languid radish
Ok but thats Havoc not me
meager slate
The old team
quick knot
meager slate
https://tenor.com/view/dexter-james-doakes-erik-king-stare-staring-gif-134316279...
No but for real..
meager slate
-Havoc the II
Fake
languid radish
The old team
grand wadi
torpid fern
Clavicular ran into a frat leader at ASU and got brutally frame mogged by him👀😂
languid radish
No but for real..
Dont worry maidro youll always be our maid 
grand wadi
😭
gaunt talon
Clavicular ran into a frat leader at ASU and got brutally frame mogged by him👀�...
Familiar name
torpid fern
Familiar name
oh hey'
meager slate
Dont worry maidro youll always be our maid <:GoodOne:936685903521402950>
Not a maid..
languid radish
Not a maid..
Tell er badman
The badman might not be pregnant but he never fails to deliver
I think ill go to bed now
inner walrus
cinder sapphire
Youre a 5'2" MAIDDDDD
5ft 0 in
inner walrus
cinder sapphire
Ok but thats Havoc not me
Why are you lying to them? Do you want me to show the den height chart
meager slate
Why are you lying to them? Do you want me to show the den height chart
I'm not sure Den's people agree to that
maiden sparrow
Deleting your message hides it from ME
cinder sapphire
I'm not sure Den's people agree to that
Does den people agree to it @tame hollow
cinder sapphire
https://tenor.com/view/donald-duck-sleep-gif-12073235593935901891
Auro was called havoc. Or kmart havoc.
polar spade
Deleting your message hides it from ME
Its not because of you
Its the comment made right after I sent it
polar spade
A small price to pay for breakfast
meager slate
Now if you wouldn't mind, could you get on that?
The pregnant comment?
polar spade
Yes
meager slate
Which rule does it break exactly
polar spade
Just weirded me out
cinder sapphire
It happens
meager slate
It was a bad joke at the end of the day
languid radish
Dawg i meant deliver as in a good performance get your mind out of the gutter
I get im wierd sometimes but wtf
meager slate
Dawg i meant deliver as in a good performance get your mind out of the gutter
Try not to make weird jokes next time, its all good
amber lintel
was it another "pregnant" "delivers" joke
cinder sapphire
Now the real important question is if you guys were in charge of a nation what would it be like? You start @meager slate
meager slate
In charge of a nation?
cinder sapphire
Ya
meager slate
It would probably be miserable
languid radish
In charge of a nation?
Like the american president or smth
languid radish
meager slate
A nation of peace, hopefully
languid radish
Peace is for the weak
meager slate
A true warrior doesnt need a sword
languid radish
If i was the president of a nation
cinder sapphire
A true warrior doesnt need a sword
That is vague add onto it. What is your civics and laws
languid radish
Every other day would be "pack your rifles and gear bois we're going on an adventure!" And proceed to get involved in brutal armed conflict that is unwinnable because i have literally 0 military strategic experience
cinder sapphire
Come on now
civic thicket
Every other day would be "pack your rifles and gear bois we're going on an adven...
Sacrificing your people in such a way?
languid radish
And then eventually when the enemies come to my capital city i would probably lock myself in a bunker and blast myself gg ez game
civic thicket
Skip the war bit and just have your henchmen sacrifice as many people as possible to your preferred evil deity of choice before the people eventually rise up and kill you
meager slate
That is vague add onto it. What is your civics and laws
Idk, not too great with all that
languid radish
Skip the war bit and just have your henchmen sacrifice as many people as possibl...
Well checkmate citizens! You cannot kill me, if im already dead!
past dune
Hi chat
cinder sapphire
Unsc/ nationwide type government with a federal republican government. Ie states, bigger states. Nations. Etc… in a wider government. Ie what halo has. What worked in one province or state won't work in another one. Ie until it goes galaxy wide. Type of nation.
languid radish
Nah nah nah i got an even better idea
meager slate
I would have a kingdom
languid radish
Think of the combine from half life 2....but 10 times more brutality!
civic thicket
If I were to run a government, I would make it a very oppressive theocracy with harsh rules. A morality police would patrol the streets, and dole out harsh punishments to any offenders, even for the most mild of crimes. Now in order to ensure I have a totally loyal security clique, this is where my AI killer robots come in, programmed with total loyalty to me.
Now there will also be a very obvious bunker with a big red button that can shutdown all my killer robots and surveillance network. This will be a very open secret, and whilst it would be guarded enough to make it a tough challenge, perhaps the plucky rebel gang could sneak in and take it anyway......
fossil oxide
but i'd rather the game be boring as shit than have to go up against a wannabe i...
just play on other servers, sweating in SL isn't that deep
languid radish
cinder sapphire
I would have a kingdom
Then you would eventually die
meager slate
Then you would eventually die
Everyone eventually dies
hushed stone
just play on other servers, sweating in SL isn't that deep
you must be real fun at parties
meager slate
They wont have a reason to hate me
languid radish
If your population hate you
What do you think maidro is? Marie antionette?
meager slate
There were great kings
languid radish
Im sure she could do better than saying let them eat cake tell em maidro
quick knot
No one rules forever
cinder sapphire
That eventually die or were assassinated
fossil oxide
you must be real fun at parties
nah im actually quiet af
civic thicket
You can always employ the tactic of breads and circuses
cinder sapphire
And those nations don't last
civic thicket
Keep the population pacified enough
cinder sapphire
No. It never works
meager slate
No one rules forever
Its all just a big race against time tbh
cinder sapphire
Even 1984 wouldn't work. Or infinite
civic thicket
Never? Look at the real world.
cinder sapphire
Not really
fossil oxide
You can always employ the tactic of breads and circuses
that just harms it via ignorance
fuck ignorance
civic thicket
1984 wouldn't last. Nothing last forever
It needs to last as long as we rule
cinder sapphire
And ya
civic thicket
Once my selfish needs are met who cares what's next
quick knot
If you want true chaos
civic thicket
Im making this dude my 2ic
What does he do
quick knot
Leave behind no hier
languid radish
What does he do
Sleep
civic thicket
And?
civic thicket
How quaint
languid radish
How quaint
Very useful for enhanced interrogation techniques
cinder sapphire
Once my selfish needs are met who cares what's next
You may think that way but I disagree personally. If you helped build a nation or anything. You would want it to last. If you have that much investment. Ya
Human psychology
For you
cinder sapphire
https://tenor.com/view/thumbs-up-napoleon-the-best-good-job-fantastic-gif-262355...
That is auro
civic thicket
Man I need a better personal computing device I'm tired of running Secret Lab at settings that make the game look like Northwood listened to the "bring back old SL" people and made everything super dark
languid radish
That is auro
"IM AVERAGE HEIGHT FOR THE TIME YOU JERK!"
meager slate
1984 wouldn't last. Nothing last forever
Have you read the book
quick knot
He wasn't even short
cinder sapphire
But ya. If you helped build a nation in time you want it successful and last a very long time. Sunk cost fallacy for you.
quick knot
It was just different system of measurements
meager slate
Even if you want power, you are noticed and brainwashed back to being practically a robot
cinder sapphire
Have you read the book
Ya. But I doubt it would last forever. Considering again someone higher up will want more power.
And do something stupid
civic thicket
There is only big brother
There is the party
meager slate
And you might think a foreign nation would stop them but they all do the same thing
civic thicket
And the Party is Big Brother
civic thicket
And Big Brother is the Party
meager slate
Big brother have leaders controlling it.
Those leaders have no self will
meager slate
Everyone is equally brainwashed
cinder sapphire
The only exception of that is if a ai does monitors it and is the leader
A human wouldn’t naturally do that
Or build it to fuck with them
cinder sapphire
Irl. Selfish needs. We have brains we had when we were back in history when more humans sub species or species were around. The party wouldn’t let themselves brainwash themselves. And eventually the party one or two will want more power and do something stupid.
meager slate
Irl. Selfish needs. We have brains we had when we were back in history when more...
But if anyone speaks up they are immediately detained and brainwashed
cinder sapphire
But if anyone speaks up they are immediately detained and brainwashed
But the leaders that control it. Is what I am saying.
There will be corruption
meager slate
But the leaders that control it. Is what I am saying.
But the leaders already have all the power that exists
meager slate
There is nothing left for them to crave
cinder sapphire
Why do billionaires want more power/ money if they have all they need for a lifetime and more
meager slate
Money is a currency, power isnt
meager slate
Doesnt make them the same
cinder sapphire
Human psychology enough is not enough
meager slate
If you had all the power in the world, literally all
cinder sapphire
Greed doesn’t work that way
meager slate
There is literally nothing more you can have
cinder sapphire
They want the power for themselves
meager slate
They already have it for themselves
cinder sapphire
Not sharing the power
With the other party
Eventually it will turn into a directorship
And eventually ya
Or it dies
meager slate
You do know that the other nations are also doing the same thing
Pretending to be at war to maintain control
cinder sapphire
Greed doesn’t stop is my point
meager slate
If they see one fall, what makes you think they won't just move in or help reenact the previous state of the nation
But greed isnt something everyone has
And like I said, if one leader got too itchy, they would simply get brainwashed
cinder sapphire
Power corrupts tho. Or it have a tendency to
cinder sapphire
And I am not talking about 100 years. I am talking about forever
Eventually something will happen
meager slate
Yeah but thats a bad argument
A monkey will write Hamlet in an infinite amount of time
meager slate
So it may never even happen
cinder sapphire
When I say forever. I mean for our simple human minds it is might as well be forever
A billion years is the same as forever to us
meager slate
But the system keeps making humanity less and less intelligent
The likelihood of that happening decreases a lot
Just over 10 years
They are literally removing words from their language
cinder sapphire
Which means eventually it will get to the point that human wouldn’t be able to get off the planet besides the leaders
When the sun literally kills us
Even if we survive that long or that nation survived that long
Eventually the system will die
meager slate
It will die with humanity
vapid moth
what are yall talking about
cinder sapphire
It could.
meager slate
1984
cinder sapphire
The leaders could escape the earth
But then they could slowly die because no one helps them
You need a labor force
Plus external pressure could happen
Etc…
meager slate
The only external pressure would be from space
cinder sapphire
Not really
meager slate
In the book, all nations are doing the same thing to their people, more than likely
cinder sapphire
Which is not at all what would happen irl
Greed
Increase that to the entire world
And ya
meager slate
That's not an argument
cinder sapphire
It is
Because humans has a population of billions of people
You think people in powerful positions don’t all do it for power at times
Maybe not all
But ya
Corruption exists
meager slate
It isnt. The main nation of 1984 is the most efficient at war, because they are literally using 90% of their resources on their fronts. You can only fight that if you did the same thing they were doing
cinder sapphire
Again I don’t think 1984 is that really realistic
Ya I am sure a nation could become like that
But all nations
And everyone brainwash themselves that are leaders
fossil oxide
hasn't that already happened in the past
cinder sapphire
Def not
cinder sapphire
hasn't that already happened in the past
No
meager slate
But all nations
Here's the thing
polar spade
Again I don’t think 1984 is that really realistic
Its not supposed to be
It wasn’t a prediction of the future
cinder sapphire
Ya
meager slate
You think a nation's leader would say no to mindcontrolling people? You said it yourself, greed of wanting more power
polar spade
But our world is certainly looking more and more like Orwell’s world by the day
cinder sapphire
You think a nation's leader would say no to mindcontrolling people? You said it ...
But to brainwash themselves
Is my point the leaders
I don’t care about the people
meager slate
But to brainwash themselves
They will be replaced by someone that is brainwashed, Timeless
cinder sapphire
How can they govern their nation if they believe their own lies
Who controls the government
meager slate
Who controls the government
Fear does
cinder sapphire
Someone would need to know
meager slate
Not showing up to work means you get taken to get brainwashed
meager slate
Someone would need to know
Thats the thing, noone does
cinder sapphire
Okay. Let’s say something happens that can destroy their nation. Let’s say a meteor. You think they can destroy it or stop it
With that level of government
meager slate
Its such a perfectly crafted system; that there is virtually no way of breaking out of it
fossil oxide
Its such a perfectly crafted system; that there is virtually no way of breaking ...
brainwashing ain't power mate, it's just lying
it's breakable
meager slate
brainwashing ain't power mate, it's just lying
But you dont know its lying
Thats the thing
cinder sapphire
Eventually something will happen that the brainwash goes against
fossil oxide
But you dont know its lying
you won't know i know it's lying
meager slate
That all people are brainwashed
Brainwashed doesnt mean incapable of thinking
fossil oxide
and we can go on
cinder sapphire
And the nation could be destroyed
meager slate
Eventually something will happen that the brainwash goes against
Yes, and they literally erase it from everyone's minds
Just like in the book!!
A rebellion took place? Never happened
cinder sapphire
Let’s say the nation brainwash says the meteor doesn’t exist. Meteor still going to happen.
polar spade
They go into detail about how complanent each caste of society is. And any rebels against the state are just farces set up to bait uncontent people to the Ministry of Love
polar spade
Goldenstein very well may not even be real
cinder sapphire
regardless if everyone thinks it is fake
Your nation is unrealistic
Is my point
Generally
Even that nation someone needs to know the truth
Hell think of it like the giver and that book series
meager slate
Even that nation someone needs to know the truth
And if they speak up, they are as good as dead
meager slate
Goldenstein very well may not even be real
Lelgit
cinder sapphire
Gg
meager slate
It was such a mindfuck
polar spade
We see this happen in history.
Historically, People are especially very supportive if their country is in a justified war against another demonised country
cinder sapphire
Guys the meteor doesn’t exist as it about to kill the earth.
meager slate
Even the existence of a rebellion could be fabricated to catch rebellious people
meager slate
Guys the meteor doesn’t exist as it about to kill the earth.
Okay, what if the nation decides to just shoot the meteor into bits?
polar spade
No one wants to challenge the government, especially since that just makes then a traitor to their country and helping the enemy of Oceania
meager slate
Because big brother wills it
cinder sapphire
Even the existence of a rebellion could be fabricated to catch rebellious people
My point is that you keep seeing it from the pov of the book
meager slate
Big Brother wants you to shoot the meteor
cinder sapphire
How does it when all the leaders are mindwash
polar spade
No one wants to challenge the government, especially since that just makes then ...
War is Peace
meager slate
My point is that you keep seeing it from the pov of the book
Because we were talking about a nation from 1984, the book
meager slate
War is Peace
Yup
cinder sapphire
Let’s say the brainwash says that the meteor doesn’t exist
Even if it doesn’t
Who could stop it
polar spade
I like how there’s a chapter all about explaining every aspect of the nation’s mottos
latent jackal
You could say that this chat is literally 1984
cinder sapphire
Because we were talking about a nation from 1984, the book
I am talking about that nation in irl
meager slate
Who could stop it
Noone, but what nation would survive a literal meteor from the sky
Its literally the argument of doom
polar spade
War is Peace because the constant state of war with other countries actually keeps the peace within the civilian population
cinder sapphire
Its literally the argument of doom
Not really there are ways to stop it
meager slate
Well a 1984 nation isnt realistic cuz if it gets hit by a meteor it crumbles to dust
polar spade
Its literally the argument of doom
Yeah I dont get this meteor allegory
meager slate
Not really there are ways to stop it
And what makes you think they wouldnt be able to come up with it? They still have scientists
They arent stupid people
cinder sapphire
Because if the brainwash says the meteor doesn’t exist
meager slate
They are just made unable to revolt by literally every means
polar spade
I think Big Brother would have more pressing than maintaining complete direct control over its people
cinder sapphire
The scientists wouldn’t look at the problem is my point
polar spade
Why wouldn’t they?
cinder sapphire
If there is no leaders that isn’t brainwashed
meager slate
But they dont have to lie about the meteor
polar spade
Big Brother doesn’t want its nation destroyed
meager slate
Yeah
cinder sapphire
And big brother is a entity of itself
polar spade
And the people aren’t completely unconscious
meager slate
And big brother is a entity of itself
Thats the thing!!!
cinder sapphire
What happens when the entity goes against the nation
polar spade
And big brother is a entity of itself
Its what they call the leader iirc
meager slate
Big Brother might not even exist
cinder sapphire
Its what they call the leader iirc
But the leaders are brainwashed is my point according to Auro
meager slate
But everyone is lead to believe he controls the nation
cinder sapphire
Look above
polar spade
I haven’t read the book in a fair bit of time
meager slate
Timeless
cinder sapphire
My point is that one leader would need to not be brainwashed
To keep it under control
polar spade
Brainwashed doesn’t mean stupid
polar spade
Hell tou can argue everyone in the real world is brainwashed by their uprising and childhood
cinder sapphire
Brainwashed doesn’t mean stupid
Yes. But if the brainwash says hey the meteor doesn’t exist
Or doesn’t mention it
At all
meager slate
But the brainwash wouldnt say that timeless
polar spade
We all have values instilled when we were children
The brainwashing would tell them to protect the nation
cinder sapphire
But the brainwash wouldnt say that timeless
Who controls the brainwash
If everyone is brainwash
polar spade
Or you know, basic survival instincts would do that
cinder sapphire
That is my point
polar spade
If everyone is brainwash
Brainwashed doesn’t mean unconscious or unaware
They can still do things
meager slate
Who controls the brainwash
A brainwashed person
meager slate
A person that believes everything they do is Big Brother's will
cinder sapphire
So the leaders that do the brainwash and control the brainwash brainwash themselves
polar spade
Its a perfect system.
It goes a lot into the details of it in the book
meager slate
It thereotically could, given the right circumstances
polar spade
Again, its pretty much impossible to perfectly recreate the world of 1984. But I don’t think Orwell was writing a how to book
cinder sapphire
Generally
meager slate
And no leader would designs this way
You cant speak for every leader in the entire world
polar spade
The book is also a jab at communism
cinder sapphire
Again, its pretty much impossible to perfectly recreate the world of 1984. But I...
I am not talking about the books I am talking about that book irl
polar spade
Goldenstein represents Trotsky
cinder sapphire
Auro is telling me 1984 could happen and last forever and as long as humanity is alive
That is the argument
meager slate
No
cinder sapphire
Ya
polar spade
No idea how you got that interpretation
cinder sapphire
Look above
meager slate
Timeless
cinder sapphire
We were talking about nations that could be possible irl
meager slate
No we werent
cinder sapphire
Yes we were
meager slate
You asked what kind of nation we would lead
polar spade
Auro’s saying if the system were to exist, it would be impossible to escape
But that’s a big if
polar spade
Yeah, I get your argument as well
meager slate
https://discord.com/channels/330432627649544202/472407010042707989/1470569776592...
Yeah, and my argument was, that you wouldnt be able to WANT more power
In such system
cinder sapphire
Which again I get but no one would designs that system
polar spade
Yeah it’ll never happen
meager slate
But that wasn't your argument
meager slate
I'm losing it
polar spade
But hypothetically if it did happen, how would you escape
That’s the argument
I think Timeless has been doing a little too much Double thinking
meager slate
For real
cinder sapphire
That’s the argument
Based on irl, I think there will be a out because of things I mentioned
A system that have no oversight will eventually fail
polar spade
Unless there’s a giant disaster which kills off more than half the nation and forces them to rebuild. There won’t be a significant change to how their society works
cinder sapphire
Unless there’s a giant disaster which kills off more than half the nation and fo...
I am talking about billions of years. Eventually something will happen. Or as long as earth survives.
Before the sun kills us all
polar spade
Yeah, God will happen
polar spade
Not without any big external factor
meager slate
But being brainwashed doesnt mean youre stupid
polar spade
Brainwashed just means you believe a given narrative
polar spade
Yes, that’s the whole point of the book
Misinformation and propaganda controlling society
meager slate
If a lie is repeated a million times, is a part of the news, the work, the entire nation, who will tell its a lie
cinder sapphire
Yes. So let’s say a lie could kill nation. Who could stop it
Because everyone believe it
To death or close to it
polar spade
What lie would this be?
meager slate
But the nation wouldnt lie about a threat
cinder sapphire
Anything
meager slate
Timeless
meager slate
The nation is literally lying about such a thing in the book
polar spade
What lie could it be that isn’t promoted by Big Brother or whoever’s in charge. The state media is all designed to only promote that which propagates the system
meager slate
But having oversight doesnt mean you arent brainwashed by big brother
polar spade
What do you mean wrong with the system
polar spade
What could possibly be wrong and so admant that it forces people to believe in something other than what they’ve been taught since they were children
polar spade
But this isn’t a physics problem
This is human nature
cinder sapphire
Nothing is foul proof
polar spade
Yeah, Oceania won’t survive a giant Tsunami
cinder sapphire
Our first round of governance had issues
polar spade
Human nature isn’t foul proof tho
But it can be reliably controlled
cinder sapphire
A mistake can lead to more mistakes
Which leads to more mistakes
Which leads to bigger mistakes
Etc..
polar spade
It gets erased from everyone's memory
Yeah, mistakes happen all the time in the book. That’s what kicks off Winston’s entire journet
meager slate
But they have systems in place to stop these mistakes
polar spade
Guess where he ends up
cinder sapphire
But they have systems in place to stop these mistakes
Okay but what happens if those systems are not perfect
Mistakes happen
meager slate
Okay but what happens if those systems are not perfect
But this system is perfect by design
meager slate
BUT IN THE BOOK IT DOES
cinder sapphire
Irl it cannot
polar spade
We’re talking about a fictional system.
polar spade
It will never exist in reality
In the book, its described as a perfect system
That’s what the author intended
meager slate
But it wouldnt happen in our world
polar spade
So if you’re going to translate it into reality, you just have to assume its perfect because we have nothing else to go off from
cinder sapphire
Yes but what if it does
Eventually something will break
In the book it is perfect
polar spade
Its not like Orwell described every detail and every aspects for the readers to find a flaw
meager slate
If you want to make the world a 1:1
cinder sapphire
But if you do it 1 to 1
meager slate
To the book
polar spade
The intention of the book is futility
polar spade
Its a very grim perspective on human nature
polar spade
Orwell certainly doesn’t mince words
meager slate
Because youre asking for 1:1
polar spade
We’re talking about a hypothetical situation where the system is perfectly translated into reality
If there’s no out in the book, there’s no out irl
Not from within
meager slate
Yes!!
cinder sapphire
You can apply ideas from books without doing exactly what the book says would happen
You know tha right
meager slate
If the system wouldnt be perfect, it wouldnt be that system
polar spade
Because that’s what Orwell intended
polar spade
Halo reference
meager slate
But youre not taking away from the system, youre transferring it 1:1 like you said
cinder sapphire
Of the system
polar spade
Yes. But that’s a moot point
We’re specifically talking about translating the entire setting, not picking and choosing
cinder sapphire
Not the book
ebon flare
cinder sapphire
You can take the idea of the system still is my point
Even if it wouldn’t happen
But let’s say it does
polar spade
But we’re talking about taking the whole system. Not certain aspects
cinder sapphire
Somehow and if was
And all of the system
Without perfection
Because you cannot bring that
polar spade
Then its not 1984
meager slate
But the system wouldnt be the system without the perfection part
polar spade
That’s the narrative of the book
meager slate
Perfection isn’t part of the system
It is though
cinder sapphire
No it really isn’t
You guys keep thinking the idea is the same as the entire book premise
I can translate unsc into irl
polar spade
The perfect system. A truly bleak world with only false hope. That’s what Orwell wrote
meager slate
But you said 1:1
cinder sapphire
of the system
meager slate
1:1 means EVERYTHING is the same
meager slate
But the book is about the system??
strange leaf
is this literaly 1984
past dune
Auro 
strange leaf
my word!
meager slate
Auro <:Cute_Cat:1339884548841934909>
hi
past dune
Hewo
cinder sapphire
But the book is about the system??
And halo is about covies and aliens. But unsc is still mentioned and there is a system is my point
polar spade
I didn’t say of the book
Then you’re left with nothing
cinder sapphire
No you really aren’t
meager slate
And halo is about covies and aliens. But unsc is still mentioned and there is a ...
Okay, but removing things dilly dally will OBVIOUSLY change things
polar spade
And halo is about covies and aliens. But unsc is still mentioned and there is a ...
What’s the argument though?
Interesting strawman but how does it relate to this conversation
cinder sapphire
Would it tho
polar spade
The Earth Empire isn’t a perfect system like 1984. It has rebellions and change is inevitable
cinder sapphire
The system is this. Brainwash all the people. Have big brother etc.. the book only works because it is perfect
But the system can still be discussed without mentioning the book
past dune
I read the 1984 book
meager slate
The system is this. Brainwash all the people. Have big brother etc.. the book on...
But if you had the perfect system irl, it would also work
past dune
G. Orwell
polar spade
Without the Covenant. It may very well have collapsed
meager slate
I read the 1984 book
Did you like it??
past dune
It was a school lecture but yeah surprisingly it was like one of 3 interesting books that we had to read
polar spade
If you’re not translating the system with perfection, then its not what Orwell described
You’re just trying recreate it, and Orwell didn’t write a how to guide on that
cinder sapphire
But if you had the perfect system irl, it would also work
But again irl it wouldn’t. I am talking about brining the system of 1984 (somehow making it work irl) which is another matter and ya.
meager slate
But again irl it wouldn’t. I am talking about brining the system of 1984 (someho...
But it would, because if you bring the system from 1984, it would be perfect
cinder sapphire
The system is not the books
polar spade
1984’s world isn’t realistic precisely because its perfect.
cinder sapphire
The books is more than just the system
Is my point
Just like how halo is more than unsc
past dune
It was a school lecture but yeah surprisingly it was like one of 3 interesting b...
I love how the department did the opposite of their name
So like love was torturing people and department of truth was faking news
polar spade
The system is why Orwell wrote the book
It was a warning that we should never end up like this
cinder sapphire
Or sith and Jedi
meager slate
I love how the department did the opposite of their name
So like love was tortu...
Its all about lies
polar spade
Or something close to this
cinder sapphire
The system is why Orwell wrote the book
It was a warning that we should never en...
I get the book
polar spade
A world where there is no escape
past dune
Its all about lies
Did you read Orwells book?
meager slate
meager slate
Did you read Orwells book?
Yeah
past dune
Awesome
cinder sapphire
Did you read Orwells book?
What do you think we are talking about haha
past dune
Did you read it tho
polar spade
We don’t know how to recreate it or given minute detail on how it would work. So we can’t speculate besides what we are told
cinder sapphire
Ya
cinder sapphire
We don’t know how to recreate it or given minute detail on how it would work. So...
We can tho
meager slate
past dune
Its a bad world to live in tho
cinder sapphire
We can described the unsc. The empire and what not.
The system is still there or the backbone of one
meager slate
Like I said
If you remove the perfection part of the system, ofc it will be flawed
But the book isnt about a flawed system
meager slate
Because the system doesnt exist outside
past dune
It's more like an example
meager slate
Of the book
polar spade
But what does the UNSC argument have to do with anything
You said we can bring the UNSC without the covenant because they’re two different entities
But how are you bringing Oceania to reality without its defining aspect
cinder sapphire
But what does the UNSC argument have to do with anything
You said we can bring t...
I am taking about system