plugins-dev-chat

[spare zodiac]

so try deleting surface for example, you spawn in void suddenly and crash when going to surface

yea

[slow grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/excellent-happy-mr-burns-simpsons-satisfied-gif-16091269

It's the one place they don't expect to look /s

And from EULA modifying server is allowec, just can't bypass Central Auth logic or decompile/RE client anticheat. Also not distribute it.

Protects the ability to Harmony patch the server I guess. But I'm not a lawer

[sweet flax]

what function does SL call when it comes to dropping players items when changing from human class to spectator

[slow grotto]

As in the method called or Event invoked? I don't have the code up but would help someone else give an answer.

[sweet flax]

i just need to patch is out

so probably the method

[slow grotto]

I think there's a "drop items" bool in the change roles event, can check pre and post role and change reason to control it maybe?

That may have been EXILED though

[soft depot]

I think it's like InventoryExtensions.DropAllItems or DropInventory or something

[sweet flax]

server drop everything

?

[soft depot]

probably

[sweet flax]

i could find it so i just used an event

[slow grotto]

Most things can be done with events alone and save the patch overhead... Unless you're CedMod or EXILED.

[thin shuttle]

you can still use Patch with cedmod / exiled

[sweet flax]

i know however events are more susceptible to other functianolitiy

and using events you need to specify your use case using ifs more

[slow grotto]

Patch will give you the definitive say on the result, just be careful of changes to the method you're working with, and I think Transpilers are preferred over Prefix method skipping but I've only dipped my toes in it.

Searching Assembly-Csharp dll for the event name you're using in your IDE will show you where it's being handled. Good practice to know how to do that since it comes up a lot in my experience.

[sweet flax]

i know i wanted to transpile it out

[tired charm]

do you used exiled? normally the items are not dropped when set to spectator

[sweet flax]

yes

[tired charm]

in the config of exiled_events you can set should_drop_inventory to false to prevent dropping

exiled calls the ServerDropEverything extension

[thin shuttle]

No need for that

We have fix it

[tired charm]

wdym

[thin shuttle]

We have fix nw duplicate

[thin shuttle]

Oh my bad i was thinking you was talking of the duplicate bug

With ServerDropEverything

[sweet flax]

i think it could be caused by this_WasEverSetup cuz event onSetup is not called

[restive turret]

nah I completly removed that check and still failed

[sweet flax]

well now im just using a postifx and its woking however after gettting it out of the inventory its called twice

so its returing before being set

public static MethodBase TargetMethod()
        {
            return AccessTools.Method(typeof(FirearmWorldmodel), nameof(FirearmWorldmodel.Setup), new[] { typeof(ItemIdentifier), typeof(FirearmWorldmodelType), typeof(uint) });
        }

        [HarmonyPostfix]
        static void Postfix(FirearmWorldmodel __instance)
        {
            FirearmWorldmodel.Instances[__instance.Identifier.SerialNumber] = __instance;
        }

[icy knoll]

fyi you dont need the HarmonyPostfix attribute on that

because the method is named Postfix

lol

[sweet flax]

i know but im just using it because then im sure its registered correctly

and i dont write Potsfix and wonder why its not workign

[restive turret]

it didnt forked for me when i tried

[sweet flax]

What did you try?

Or maybe you changed the wrong method

[restive turret]

idk i forgor

[hollow remnant]

how to fix it in code?

[hollow remnant]

to this for ex.

[sweet flax]

You have to open the door

[restive turret]

or spawn it yourself

[hollow remnant]

0_0

[restive turret]

SpawnablesDistributorBase._activeInstances
foreach
instance._unspawnedObjects.Values
foreach
NetworkServer.Spawn

[hollow remnant]

like this?

[restive turret]

Foreach on hashet too but yes

Better to spawn everything

[hollow remnant]

okaay

thxxx

[upper vapor]

cinema

it's called "hcz models are already very complicated so making meshes readable would be abysmal for performance"
dunno why any room models are readable ngl

[upper vapor]

XXDDDDDDDD

[upper vapor]

tell ced to convert all his prefixes

[thin shuttle]

Thek yeah ced problem didn't know that

[thin shuttle]

It's only cost ram nothing else

As the collision are still active

[upper vapor]

the game already uses so much ram 😭

no need for more

[thin shuttle]

We need for Pathfinder

[upper vapor]

skill issue

[thin shuttle]

It's better to use unity one

[upper vapor]

make your own rooms with box colliders

[thin shuttle]

Instead of rebuild it

[thin shuttle]

That cost a lot more

[upper vapor]

how

how is it more optimal to bake a navmesh for millions of vertices rather than, say, 200 boxes

[thin shuttle]

You only bake once

[upper vapor]

once every..?

[thin shuttle]

Once per game lol

[upper vapor]

and then it has to find a path in that complex navmesh

instead of boxes

[thin shuttle]

No it's once per game

[upper vapor]

yes you bake it

but then you use it

😭

[thin shuttle]

Yeah

And the bake are very simple

I would like a way to have these bake possible

In basegame

[upper vapor]

most likely not happening

[grand flower]

makes me wonder how i'll do it for mine

although generating at runtime isn't an issue if needed

probably

[thin shuttle]

Could we have config ?

Like to enable it or disable it

[upper vapor]

that's an asset setting, so, no

[thin shuttle]

Really

[upper vapor]

it has to be done in unity

you can't modify the read/write property at runtime

[thin shuttle]

Also all Lcz and Ez are readable

[upper vapor]

yeah i genuinely have no clue why that is

[thin shuttle]

Except for gate a b and glassroom

[thin shuttle]

Because it's was never set to false before

[upper vapor]

the default is false

[thin shuttle]

Honestly because of it using only ram it's not that much bad

[thin shuttle]

Yeah but the initial projects have it true with CB

[upper vapor]

maybe we can have it so in the dedicated build it enables read/write

[upper vapor]

right

[thin shuttle]

That would be best

I didn't thinks to client

But yeah if only server build would have it true that perfect

Could we have it for 15.0 ?

[upper vapor]

i've yet to find how to change it per-platform

thanks unity docs

if you want a position relative to the room, transform.InverseTransformPoint(world)
then to get back the world position: transform.TransformPoint(relative)

[thin shuttle]

using UnityEngine;

public class ServerMeshSetup : MonoBehaviour
{
    public MeshFilter meshFilter;
    public MeshCollider meshCollider;

    void Awake()
    {
#if UNITY_SERVER
        // Server keeps readable mesh
        Mesh readableMesh = Instantiate(meshFilter.sharedMesh);
        meshCollider.sharedMesh = readableMesh;
#else
        // Client removes heavy colliders 
        if (meshCollider != null)
            Destroy(meshCollider);
#endif
    }
}

Chatgpt having a stroke

Lol

[upper vapor]

that

is horrible

[thin shuttle]

Ahah

That why i sent it lol

[upper vapor]

and unity crashed bc i clicked on an fbx file

[thin shuttle]

Bruh

You required more memory ?

[upper vapor]

"linux kernel: memory shortage avoided"

[thin shuttle]

Lol

Technically i can access the meshcollider in the GPU ?

[upper vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/this-fucking-sucks-crying-girl-tears-of-joy-clapping-danny-devito-gif-12766761978490409957

[cyan crown]

Does SL use every frame for all of lighting update mode?

[upper vapor]

so this is not possible

[upper vapor]

i think we only use runtime lighting atm

might be mixed somewhere

idk

[cyan crown]

Yeah but if player is idle it still updates the shadows every frame, if it uses on demand update mode only when player does a action, it might help with lowering lag spikes

Not a big performance boost i think but it will help lowering lag spikes

[thin shuttle]

Sad

[thin shuttle]

I have been told lag spike is related to AC

[cyan crown]

I honestly don't know but with 14.2 HCZ got a visual lighting changes that may have caused the game to have more lag spikes then before

[thin shuttle]

Honnestly i have more fps in new hcz than older one ?

[cyan crown]

I think even when lights are disabled unity still renders them from CPU side causing lag spikes

[cyan crown]

No its not about fps but rather lag spikes

[thin shuttle]

Oh ok

Don't know for that

[cyan crown]

I also think item or ragdoll clean up can cause more GC allocation to build up causing even more lag spikes since it destorys it instead of disabling it

I'm looking forward for 15.0 and its optimizations tech especially in SZ

[grand flower]

My watercooling pump died

fun

[restive turret]

F

[grand flower]

Glad I have a sensor to warn me

Else I would've just cooked the components with the heat

[upper vapor]

I thought this was a DJ board at first glance

[cyan crown]

Is that 6 fans for this build?

[grand flower]

10

[cyan crown]

[grand flower]

Cant let the PC boot and set the correct lighting without flow

The water temp would rise too fast

[cyan crown]

128gb ram? Since i see 4 sticks

[grand flower]

192

[cyan crown]

Cool amazing build :'D

[grand flower]

I hate it

I loved making it and it purrs

But watercooling is a pain in the ass

I'm gonna simplify the loop and switch it to external cooling in a few months when I have money

[cyan crown]

i wish everything goes well :'D

[grand flower]

Eh for now I just ordered a replacement pump

Just sucks

Gonna use my fiancée's PC for work in the meantime

[upper vapor]

Meow

[upper vapor]

[grand flower]

im pissed

gonna lose a week of work

[celest thorn]

clean that shit

[slow grotto]

So... it seems that attaching a player to a waypoint, which is then childed to a dummy, and the dummy shoots a gun, the shooting packet (which is dropped by the DummyNetworkConnection) gets daisy-chained down to the original player and they get the recoil effect.

Does Mirror send message to all children of a RefernceHub, even if they aren't the correct netId?

Or am I just finding the weirdest edge cases?

[hollow remnant]

OHHHH, THANKS, IT'S VERY NEED TO ME

[upper vapor]

Np

[upper vapor]

Mirror only evaluates the child network behavior list when you spawn an object

Could you send a minimal code example?

[restive turret]

No

[celest thorn]

idk what this thing called code

[sharp hedge]

its like uh

a thing

and it does things

yknow

[upper vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/brain-gif-338783462287106063

[sharp hedge]

something like that yeah

this guy gets it

[grand flower]

God I hate downgrading to a gaming PC

Work is going to be painful

[upper vapor]

Who is gay ming

Are you cheating on your wife?

[grand flower]

What

[slate flume]

What

[grand flower]

Considering she's lending me her PC I don't think so

Although I had to uninstall a few games

I'll make it up to her later

[grand flower]

I hope the replacement pump gets shipped asap

[hearty shard]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1449942974019670066/1458462764501827644/JSBF_9XVATAAS7_YNB8HE.gif

[upper vapor]

Droppin' these bombs

[hearty shard]

AX

[upper vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/venom-gif-27487650

Tweaking

[worn gull]

Hi! I'm setting these on waiting for players

        ServerConfigSynchronizer.Singleton.NetworkRemoteAdminExternalPlayerLookupMode = "fullauth";
        ServerConfigSynchronizer.Singleton.NetworkRemoteAdminExternalPlayerLookupURL = "secret";
        ServerConfigSynchronizer.Singleton.RemoteAdminExternalPlayerLookupToken = "secret";

But the External Lookup button is still disabled

[celest thorn]

Too mean

[celest thorn]

Check how cedmod does it

Im in bed rn so no help lol (im so tired)

[worn gull]

Already checked it it's the same but I will try again

[celest thorn]

Hmm check base game

Maybe there’s something missing or some request the server does

To authenticate it

[worn gull]

Why da hell I need to delay it for 3-5 sec

[upper vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/this-fucking-sucks-crying-girl-tears-of-joy-clapping-danny-devito-gif-12766761978490409957

[spare zodiac]

peak NW coding summarized

[novel barn]

how can i do audioplayer dummy bot will be changed to overwatch everytime before round start

[icy knoll]

why use a dummy instead of speakertoy?

[novel barn]

idk someone made that plugin this way

[icy knoll]

contact the plugin dev in this case then

i thought this was ur own plugin considering ur in the dev chat

[hearty shard]

RoundStarting event i suppose

just set any audio dummy to OW

@unique crane committing to master? new labapi releasing in 5 second?

[unique crane]

no just merging public PRs

silly

[hearty shard]

nuh uh

clearly new labapi releases now

[unique crane]

no

[hearty shard]

https://tenor.com/view/tissue-pet-hamster-crying-hamster-wiping-tears-with-hamster-crying-gif-25381682

[celest thorn]

How could i check if the player has an enemy class like ClassD and spawn a NTF

because team doesn't really work

[sweet flax]

wdym an enemy class

[restive turret]

You create a lookup table

[soft depot]

Mfw when Faction (or is that Exiled only )

[celest thorn]

too much work

[celest thorn]

Team exist but it sucks ass

[soft depot]

Faction*

It’s a separate enum, but if you haven’t found it, it’s likely Exiled only

[celest thorn]

Team is the similar thing here

lol

and i know faction exist on exiled

[soft depot]

Bro

[hearty shard]

isnt faction basegame

[celest thorn]

no

Team is

WAIT

it exist

[soft depot]

I’ll have you know, faction is not like Team

[celest thorn]

eve is

[restive turret]

Then suffer

[celest thorn]

right

[soft depot]

https://tenor.com/view/sealyx-naked-gun-the-naked-gun-facepalm-facepalm-meme-gif-11743768702765397589

[hearty shard]

bro

💀

never call me wrong again

[soft depot]

Me too

[celest thorn]

https://zer0twois.strokinit.it/🐀/qn5r65m0.png

ig this works

every day a new discovery on this game

[upper vapor]

Try #1407844197301620826
If you really need a dummy to play audio, use the RoundSummary channel

[upper vapor]

Me when flamingos

[celest thorn]

Everyone is enemy of the Foundation

[upper vapor]

Well

True

Ish

[celest thorn]

Quantum physics "Both" / "Neither"

[unique crane]

JavaScript

Bottom text

[grand flower]

glad I never touched that crap

[upper vapor]

Erm actually

It's typeshit

[upper vapor]

"B- but it can do anything!"

[soft depot]

TypeScript jumpscare

[upper vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/old-lady-screaming-scream-old-jumpscare-gif-24203206

Why did discord blur the gif right in the middle of playback

[unique crane]

Im sitting in class and someone has Blahaj here

[upper vapor]

Peak

[restive turret]

Why

[celest thorn]

What?

lol

like why even bring it

[unique crane]

Idk

[celest thorn]

crazy

[unique crane]

Well there is lot of femboys here

Maybe that's ehy

[celest thorn]

idk i don't have a blahaj

[hearty shard]

valid

[celest thorn]

i have a massive cat that i bought in a random city in Hungary

i remember my classmates where like "You actually bought it???" and even the driver was confused on wtf was in my bag

[unique crane]

My friend has giant capybara plushie

[celest thorn]

well well well

[upper vapor]

Then it does this as they wake up at 3am

[celest thorn]

idk i like hugging that cat sometimes

when i feel down

its so fluffy

[unique crane]

I have no one to hug 3:

[celest thorn]

neither do i thats why i hug a cat

lol

[unique crane]

Yeah not even a plushie

[restive turret]

Show or it doesn't happened

[celest thorn]

yea let me show it

[unique crane]

Ket

[celest thorn]

i think geniunly the woman who sold it to me scammed me

but i don't care it was so cute

there was a ferret i would've bought it BUT it costed alot and it didn't fit

it was as big as me

[restive turret]

car

[celest thorn]

fat ass

lol

a truck

not a car

[warped prairie]

I want one of these but they are the seal plush

[upper vapor]

Lmfao

[warped prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/seal-plushie-gif-129632440578368202

I love these things

[upper vapor]

@friends

[celest thorn]

idk it helps out in stress situation so buy one ig

[celest thorn]

you hug YOUR FRIENDS???

[upper vapor]

Do you ever feel like a seal

[upper vapor]

I would, yeah, and a lot of people would

[warped prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/seal-gif-punch-eyes-eye-emoji-gif-11447282833826748780

[grand flower]

they just shipped my replacement pump holy moly that was quick

thank fuck

[upper vapor]

Not everyone fears physical touch

[upper vapor]

Like they delivered it??

[celest thorn]

thats not what i mean

[grand flower]

no lol

[celest thorn]

i've never seen it

[grand flower]

i wish

[celest thorn]

like really low

[grand flower]

it's have something to do with my insomnia

[celest thorn]

not even in my family we hug

[upper vapor]

That's a

Sad life

[grand flower]

granted im too baked to service my loop

I'd spill coolant everywhere

[celest thorn]

idk alot of people told me its not normal but ehh who cares

[upper vapor]

Yeah It's normal here at least

But who likes normal

[grand flower]

i hope i get it this week so i can delete the 1tb of work i just put on my fiancée's PC

before i fly to SF

[celest thorn]

here i know some people who do it but i know some other people who don't

but more who do it

by word of mouth

tbh never seen it

[upper vapor]

They're all john cena

[upper vapor]

"Be careful, there's a lot of gays there"
-# -my grandpa

[celest thorn]

WHAT

AHAHAHHAHAHA

[grand flower]

https://tenor.com/view/anakin-anakin-skywalker-jedi-jedi-master-clone-wars-gif-24886988

[upper vapor]

Like 😭

[grand flower]

even better

[celest thorn]

woah

https://tenor.com/view/developer-we-have-a-bug-gif-9159002844106963379

[upper vapor]

"You were supposed to defend against them, not join them"

[grand flower]

tales of Axwabo's homophobic grandpa

meanwhile my future mother in law turns gay after a few drinks

we have different families

[unique crane]

Hungaria moment

[celest thorn]

btw hungary is WELL know here to be a place where there's alot of homophobia

so im not surprised

but i mean different culture

[unique crane]

Wait till you find out about Czechia

[grand flower]

ah that makes sense

[celest thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/montypython-witch-burnthewitch-gif-5477103

[grand flower]

peeps are pretty chill here

and I don't hang out with pricks anyway

[unique crane]

Tf you mean that's my country

[celest thorn]

idk

bro like thats how i imagine Czechia

[upper vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/absolute-cinema-raccoon-absolute-cinema-gif-17862327649353748812

[grand flower]

i love her she's awesome

[upper vapor]

Hunry

[unique crane]

Are you hungry

[celest thorn]

@unique crane lets remmeber the stadium too

[upper vapor]

Yes

[celest thorn]

go eat

NGL i've tried a soup

i never understood the name

[unique crane]

What

[celest thorn]

it was like SOOOO GOOD

there

it was like a riceball at the center

and the soup

[unique crane]

What stadium

[hearty ember]

ELEMENT OF SUPRISE

[celest thorn]

The prime minister of Hungary spent alot of money to build a stadium next to his house

[hearty ember]

https://tenor.com/view/proto-gen-bean-spin-record-player-gif-8908163111569859109

[grand flower]

i need a turntable

one day

[unique crane]

Spwin

[upper vapor]

The turns will table

[grand flower]

death

[upper vapor]

Did I hear something the EU and taxpayer money could fund?

[hearty ember]

tables

[celest thorn]

why helping your people when you can build in your hometown next to your house a stadium

[upper vapor]

Exactly

You get it

[celest thorn]

ig no art for today

lol

[slow grotto]

There's not really much to show on my side but this is what I've got. This code is rough and I haven't touched it in months:

1. I spawn a dummy _dummyId = Player.Get(DummyUtils.SpawnDummy(Player.DisplayNickname)).NetId;
2. I attach a monobehaviour that controls the dummies look/move/action behaviour on the same tick as the spawn DummyController dummyController = Dummy.GameObject.AddComponent<DummyController>();
3. The awake method of the DummyController creates a WaypointToy as a child of the dummy's transform Waypoint = WaypointToy.Create(Vector3.back*0.7f+Vector3.right*0.5f+Vector3.up*0.7f, Dummy.Transform); placing it over the shoulder.
4. 0.4 seconds later I move the player to the Waypoint position to attach them Player.Position = dummyController.Waypoint.Transform.position;. To keep the player in place they are given Slowness-99 and disabled gravity.
5. I call Shoot->Click on the dummy which causes them to shoot the weapon they are holding. This works as expected.
6. The player experiences recoil as if they shot they weapon.

This isn't bad as it gives a desired effect, but just curious as to what is causing it. The player shouldn't be associated with the dummy when it is spawning.

[upper vapor]

btw you can use the ensnared effect (unless if movement is actually based on movement)

[slow grotto]

Good to know, it would work for me.

[restive turret]

you moved the player inside the waypoint, the player got the dummies transform waypoint.
when dummy shoots the rotation of the waypoint gonna change

[slow grotto]

Dummies don't experience recoil

[restive turret]

they do

[slow grotto]

And waypoints only rotate horizontally

[restive turret]

@slow grotto my ass

dummies also experience (or should) recoil

[vast canopy]

dude created 3rd person 4 some reason

[restive turret]

get the waypoint of shooting and print out rot, pos

b4 and a4

[grand flower]

before and afour

[vast canopy]

a4 b4 c4

[restive turret]

and d4

the damage you gonna take

[vast canopy]

oh. i evolved

now im orange

[restive turret]

piss color

[vast canopy]

[upper vapor]

the waypoint doesn't change its yaw

[upper vapor]

they might have kidney issues with that shade

[restive turret]

yawn

[vast canopy]

yawn

[slow grotto]

Slight y rotation from recoil left-right but x,z stay at 0. But I think I found the reason...

[grand flower]

waypoints in the big 26

[upper vapor]

print out the euler angles

[restive turret]

parent plaxer to dummy

[grand flower]

plaxer

[slow grotto]

When I change weapons I cancel my own event and give the dummy a clone of my weapon. When I shoot with that weapon it makes me recoil, but if I give the dummy a different weapon there is no recoil

[restive turret]

I writing with one hand on pc

[grand flower]

Wording

[grand flower]

how do you clone it

[upper vapor]

MemberwiseClone

[slow grotto]

Let me check it was awhile ago

[grand flower]

death

[restive turret]

🔥

[slow grotto]

Okay, I guess that works

[upper vapor]

why are you using the null-conditional operator with a unity object

[slow grotto]

I couldn't tell you, this was coded in an ADHD fever dream

[upper vapor]

right

[slow grotto]

The GetComponent in the method is also bad

[sweet flax]

enable warning in rider

[grand flower]

I have ADHD and I don't write nightmare fuel

Well okay I lied I write a different type of nightmare fuel

[upper vapor]

you see plus plus, aye?

[restive turret]

I write that every day

[grand flower]

yeah

[upper vapor]

you don't even check paramrefs when you ctrl+c ctrl+v documentation 😭

[restive turret]

That's documentation

I rarely even write that

So not surprised

[upper vapor]

xml docs

[restive turret]

I'm trying man

[upper vapor]

okay oka

[restive turret]

Grammar isn't my best tho so

[slow grotto]

So I guess client sees "The weapon with serial 123 was fired, I have a weapon with serial 123 in my inventory, it must have been me that shot".

[grand flower]

Probably

[upper vapor]

let's see

[grand flower]

I would just spawn an exact copy of the weapon

[grand flower]

no need, sounds exactly like the kind of NW jank we know and love

[upper vapor]

yeah

it

yea

[slow grotto]

SubsequentShotsCounter.cs before OnShotRecorded event passes along the animation request

[upper vapor]

it's instance-bound

[slow grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/fenrisfelicis-disappointed-disappointed-but-not-surprised-text-meme-kinetic-typography-gif-21253013

/s

[upper vapor]

/srs

[slow grotto]

Neat, thanks Hubert

While I'm here. Is it just the decompiler, or are almost all cases of consts being used in the game defined but then just use magic numbers anyway?

https://tenor.com/view/grinds-my-gears-peter-griffin-seth-mc-farlane-family-guy-gif-1236149375205084885

[upper vapor]

those are decompiler things

there are local constants in some places that you will never know about

-# there are places where the constant is zero

aaaaand i've been fired

[slow grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/ace-attorney-phoenix-wright-phoenix-wright-read-reading-gif-3885369798469954526

Actually, there needs to be a northwood swat team gif

[restive turret]

I'm gonna do these just to do fun with plugin devs

[upper vapor]

const double magic = 42.4242424242424;

Amogus(magic);

like this?

[restive turret]

Encrypting consts

[upper vapor]

yes

[restive turret]

Another dll needed to decompile it

[upper vapor]

but you

what

[slow grotto]

WHAT? You changed capybara logic from 69? Just to appease the youth who have time to decompile your code?

[restive turret]

ConstHelper.GetSelfConst(this)

[upper vapor]

then it's no longer a const :(

unless

if you use

[wheat flower]

const const const

[restive turret]

Static read-only

[restive turret]

Idk who did that

[upper vapor]

compiledversion

[wheat flower]

"public static sealed readonly struct"

[restive turret]

DecompiledVersion

[upper vapor]

that will not compile

[restive turret]

ref*

[wheat flower]

thats the fucking point

[upper vapor]

but internal readonly partial record struct will

[wheat flower]

🤓 👆

[slow grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/mother-of-god-gif-10218431

[spare zodiac]

hey guys does like client side parenting take position if the parent instead of what I force it to have?

[upper vapor]

it'll set the local position

so if it's parented, that's relative to the parent

[celest thorn]

helo

[unique crane]

elo

[celest thorn]

how you doing?

[unique crane]

Making foob

[tribal dagger]

actually 1984

uninstalling SL

[sharp hedge]

still dont know who or what to ping for these scams

[celest thorn]

Moderators

like noemi

or how 2 become overseer or Auro

[sharp hedge]

just like individual mods?

[celest thorn]

like those people

[celest thorn]

yea

[sharp hedge]

i see okay

[celest thorn]

I always ping Noemi_

because she is always online

[hearty shard]

where is this

[static meteor]

Piñata

I forgot the scp number

[hearty shard]

956 it seems

thats crazy

[sweet flax]

is there a way to combat schematic disappearing for a frame and then coming back when seting parent to null using go.SetParent(null);

[static meteor]

Try setting keepworldposition to true in the SetParent method

[sweet flax]

It does not matter

[soft depot]

Set sync interval to 0? Idk

[harsh thorn]

i might be wrong

but it might be that when you unparent, itl set the location of the primitive to the local position of what it was parented to
until the next update loop runs where itl set it to intended position

so it might not be possible to combat it due to that being client side

but thats just a guess

[sweet flax]

That's what im thinking is happening because it looks like ita teleporting to 0 0 0 and then coming back

[spare zodiac]

kinda late answer

Parent position: Vector(5, 5, 5);
Primitive position: Vector(10, 10, 10);
The result position of primitive after parenting would be: Vector(15, 15, 15);

or did I understand that wrong?

[sweet flax]

I think the local pos then will be 5 5 5

[soft depot]

Well can’t you just reset the position on the same tick you unparent it?

[harsh thorn]

technically yes but thatd be expecting the 2 packets arrive at the same frame

• position is set in the update loop iirc

[soft depot]

Well it’s not like mirror is async

So in theory they should both be received

[harsh thorn]

i forgot if changing a syncvar will immediately queue a syncvar update, or if it monitors on update and sends all that was changed

if its just monitoriing the objects then yeah theyll arrive at the same time

though the syncvar doesnt actually move the object, the update loop on the client does that

so might work, might not

[spare zodiac]

does it like change the position?

to somewhere else in the scene

[harsh thorn]

the game just sets localposition every frame

so whatever you send as Position will be the position RELATIVE to what you parented to

so object 1 is at 10,10,10

you make a object parented to object 1, with position 1,1,1
that object will now be at 11,11,11

cuz its relative

[spare zodiac]

but it stayed at the same place like where player sees it?

[sweet flax]

Every frame its ChildPosition = ParentPos + Localpos

[sweet flax]

If you use setparent(transform) then yes

[harsh thorn]

doin setparent doesnt actually parent parent it

[sweet flax]

If the partner moves the child also moves the same vector as the parent

[harsh thorn]

that just does it on the server
nvm it does actually check the unity transform

[spare zodiac]

I do not do that

Because I'm trying to spawn client sided primitive and make that parented to something

something in this case being cullable admin toy

[sweet flax]

Id just spawn it destroy foe everyone except the player and parent

I dont think its the most optimal way

[harsh thorn]

to parent something you need to set the gameobjects parent to whatever you want the parent to be

[spare zodiac]

spawn message is better in this case

[harsh thorn]

then itl send that to client

setparent in unity might also preserve position, but there can be a frame delay

[sweet flax]

But you need to instatiaze on server

[spare zodiac]

how do you do that when you spawned the primitive with spawn message

[sweet flax]

This i think

[spare zodiac]

you need to use the payload for that

[harsh thorn]

you'd need to send RpcChangeParent afterwards with the networkid of the parent

OR

actually

it can be part of spawn payload

[spare zodiac]

new information unlocked

[harsh thorn]

so you can do it there too

parent is set in OnDeserialize (as spawn data)
or as RPC

so in your case youd probably want to do it in spawn data

which just writes the networkid of the parent

[spare zodiac]

I still have no clue how it knows WriteX to take it from

it prob does it as last

[harsh thorn]

onserialize just overrides mirrors base from network behaviour

youll need to follow the code path of networkserver.spawn to see how it actually sends out the messages

cuz itl send syncvar data into the spawn message iirc

[spare zodiac]

that method is huge

[harsh thorn]

• whatevers in onserialize

[restive turret]

just ask @celest thorn

[spare zodiac]

no need to ping

[celest thorn]

what

[restive turret]

ping pong

[celest thorn]

i have 0 problem

NetworkPing

NetworkPong

[restive turret]

zero

[celest thorn]

?

[restive turret]

you now have to provide a long documentation of spawning an admintoy

[celest thorn]

Wdym?

[restive turret]

via mirror

[celest thorn]

like spawning what part?

initial?

[restive turret]

idk i guesS?

[spare zodiac]

spawning admin toy cliently is not hard

you can create it without sending to every single person

[celest thorn]

yea?

[restive turret]

ye and?

[celest thorn]

meow handles that but yea its easy?

idk what you are trying to do

[spare zodiac]

when creating I just have no clue how do I proceed to set the parent on client

[celest thorn]

if you could explain what you want i can help you out

[celest thorn]

Ok magic

i will explain

[spare zodiac]

[restive turret]

magic is 0xD34DB33F

[celest thorn]

https://zer0twois.strokinit.it/🐀/q66asnpv.png

[harsh thorn]

well that is one way

the other way is simply sending it as part of the spawn payload

[spare zodiac]

is send fake rpc method defaultly in labapi?

[celest thorn]

calm down ced

[restive turret]

nope

it using my LabApiExt

i think

[celest thorn]

https://zer0twois.strokinit.it/🐀/5jbw8ln6.png

this is how meow does it

you don't need additional

form prim is just

[spare zodiac]

does meow use the culling toy???

[celest thorn]

yes

[spare zodiac]

wtf

[celest thorn]

yea we have both

a culling for us and + use of culling toy

[spare zodiac]

I thought no one touched allat

[celest thorn]

i did fuck with everything told you

i need to rewrite this network code because NGL it fucking sucks

but does the work

so

[spare zodiac]

this is important for me though thank you kind soul

[celest thorn]

dw :3

[snow pulsar]

I forgot how to clear the Text-Based-Remote-Admin console of previous commands...

[celest thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/pyra-tea-xenoblade-chronicles2-gif-26108353

[restive turret]

cls? clear?

[celest thorn]

THEY ARE ALOT

[restive turret]

nuke

[spare zodiac]

also you could have had used the labapi create method to save you some issues in later updates

[celest thorn]

Lets not talk about $0 1 0

[restive turret]

quit?

[celest thorn]

nope

this is client side

the class is litteraly called ClientSide.cs

[snow pulsar]

clear wasn't showing up anything, i've only used cls like once

[spare zodiac]

you can send admin toy client sidely

[celest thorn]

I don't create them on the server

so i save tps

[snow pulsar]

No

[celest thorn]

[spare zodiac]

I'm going to explode

[restive turret]

me when ClientSide.cs passes next to AllSide.cs

[celest thorn]

have fun

[harsh thorn]

just send out the spawn message and call it a day

[celest thorn]

https://zer0twois.strokinit.it/🐀/1ze27uiv.png
https://zer0twois.strokinit.it/🐀/opu823f2.png

this is the entire class

lol

[restive turret]

just wait for a full refactor and none of them can be client sided

[spare zodiac]

I'm sometimes thinking how stuff would be easier to use C++ for SL instead of C#

[harsh thorn]

it definetely would not

😭

[celest thorn]

decompile the client

you will have ALOT of C++ code to look at

[restive turret]

nah I dont htink so

have fun parsing c++ shit to c# then vice versa

[spare zodiac]

I hate the diamond problem that's why I'm slowly removing myself from C#

[restive turret]

just

[celest thorn]

my condolences

[restive turret]

steal the diamond

[celest thorn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/914403380070330419/1371547051170726030/attachment-3.gif

[spare zodiac]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1015133624552673313/1352486118288789586/togif.gif

[harsh thorn]

redesign time

just write php, no more problems

[spare zodiac]

never wrote php

[celest thorn]

ced when are you guys going to use IL2Rust

[harsh thorn]

does that even exist

[celest thorn]

no

[restive turret]

my guy my example NAOT dll is so large

[celest thorn]

but you can create it

[harsh thorn]

i dont think i want to

[spare zodiac]

that language would be called IPL

Intermediate Pain Language

[restive turret]

I reduced my NAOT c# export dll into this size and it doesnt have much in it tho

and yeah you think c++ is better than c# then have fun

I only touch c++ when i need it, otherwise i rather not

[spare zodiac]

well I'm in my delusional starting with C++ stage

[rugged laurel]

I dont know much about c++ but isnt the diamond problem not a thing in c# but is a problem in c++? Its caused by multiple inheritance?

[spare zodiac]

It's caused by multiple inheritance yes

but having multiple inheritance is so fucking goated

[rugged laurel]

C# doesnt have that

Only interfaces

[spare zodiac]

which fucking sucks

[restive turret]

I self learned C# by looking at others code, I tried looking others code in C++ and yeah, I have zero fucking clue what happens

[spare zodiac]

I love the idea of multiple inheritance

[rugged laurel]

Oh ur statement was that u wanted multiple inheritance

I was confused cause u were complaining about the diamond problem

[spare zodiac]

I self learned C# by confusion then another confusion finished with a lot more confusion

[restive turret]

Well I always said I learned from looking at others code which is true tho so

I tried heavily focus c++ last year

Didnt went anywhere

[spare zodiac]

c++ might be little unreadable sometimes

[restive turret]

Shit ass build system

[spare zodiac]

learning c# before c++ helps

[restive turret]

3/4 fail cus uhh "theehe guess"

Ah and linking multiple stuff in one place is omg soo good

[rugged laurel]

i took a c++ class in uni and ya getting it to just run is a process

[restive turret]

I love when bigobj.o and bigobj.o is included (somehow both ended up)

I learned AnsiC

That was actually good

And started some basics

(which I already knew/skipped)

[rugged laurel]

unis ussually have you go from like python to c++ and iv always thought thats a really strange jump

[spare zodiac]

crazy

[restive turret]

C to java to php to JavaScript

[spare zodiac]

mine goes python/javascript -> c# -> assembly

[restive turret]

Here they love java

And I hate it

Its java or JavaScript

[rugged laurel]

damn urs includes c#

[restive turret]

Otherwise sucks to be you

[rugged laurel]

my uni doesnt have that as an optoin

they do have java tho

[spare zodiac]

and it's the best subject making application so next year will be so fire

[restive turret]

I learned many programming stuff before they even teach about it

[rugged laurel]

making plugins helped me with my coding classes not the other way around 😭

[restive turret]

Thanks to my idiotic mind of "oh this looks cool I gonna make 4 months of my life in thaz field"

[spare zodiac]

oh wait you're talking about uni the whole time?

[rugged laurel]

ya

[spare zodiac]

my bad

[rugged laurel]

[restive turret]

The jump is big so

[celest thorn]

Coding sucks

WAIT

[restive turret]

From like scriptings to actually really close-ish to hardware

[celest thorn]

guyswe should all go back developing in assembly

[spare zodiac]

can we pin this?

[restive turret]

Develop some

[spare zodiac]

how about no?

[rugged laurel]

id rather cease existing

im not gonna lie i hate using old ass shit

[celest thorn]

I would say the same but its really useful sometimes

[rugged laurel]

like my professor forced us to use VIM

[restive turret]

Ah hell nah

[rugged laurel]

and i have never noped out of a class so fast

[spare zodiac]

that's not bad though right

many people use it now

[celest thorn]

Fuck him

Lol

[rugged laurel]

sorry i like to be able to click to change files

[restive turret]

When im on linux I use MC and nano

[celest thorn]

Mine wanted linux

[restive turret]

And vim just scared me

[celest thorn]

And hell nah my other pc is used for other shit so putting linux meant my dad didn’t know shit

[spare zodiac]

gn good gentleman

[restive turret]

My fingers already in fucked up pose so

[celest thorn]

Gn im in bed rn

[restive turret]

Anyway gonna eat smth

Probably gonna regret tmr morning

[celest thorn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1475931905902776483/1475932064501989588/togif.gif

[cyan crown]

yeah sure

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1300510529382649878/1474168428595249193/togif.gif

[grand flower]

Can it dispense a new part for my PC

[wheat flower]

it will be liquid

but yes

[grand flower]

Hey that kinda works

Maybe I can get some permanently cold coolant so I don't need cooling anymore

[wheat flower]

drink of "permanent cooling solution"

ez

[teal junco]

Im in ap csa as a hs sophomore

SL plugins lowkenuinely carried

[grand flower]

I just did C# discord bots when I was starting

was fun

oh and Lua scripting on gmod

[cyan crown]

I tested the on demand update mode for shadows in SL-Legacy and so far it runs pretty well.

Its a development scene not to much to render but its better then before, with every frame update mode i used to get around 150 to 250 fps in editor, But now with on demand i get around 280 to 300 fps.

[upper vapor]

Set the parent, then call UpdatePositionServer

[upper vapor]

Yes, but it's also affected by scale and rotation

[upper vapor]

It's called "prefer composition over inheritance"

[upper vapor]

It's so ass 😭

[upper vapor]

Me when I get 20 fps in the editor

[rugged laurel]

My deep hatred of unity 6

[celest thorn]

Ngl unity 6 makes my poor meow editor cry

[restive turret]

Good

Unity makes everyone cry

[celest thorn]

I optimized how it rendered else it lagged

[celest thorn]

True

[upper vapor]

It's good (except when it isn't)

[cyan crown]

Lmao real

It did lower lag spikes as well

[upper vapor]

Build the client for 7 fps

[cyan crown]

😿

I spent this whole night looking for docs about spot lights since they're so ass when having a larger cone their shadow map becomes blurier and lower quality

This only happens in hdrp i don't remember urp having same issue at all but to be fair last time i used urp was 3 years ago

[rugged laurel]

ever since we switched to unity 6 my editor performance has been abysmal

[cyan crown]

Do you use dx12 or dx11?

[upper vapor]

The built in renderer pipeline will be d3pr3cated in Unity 6.5

(Ik it's different)

[cyan crown]

[upper vapor]

Just don't use spot lights

It's not a stage

[cyan crown]

☠️

I can either buy a 1k dollars asset for better shadows or spend 7 months or more building a custom shadows shader

Or as you said don't use spot lights

[upper vapor]

I'd go with the 3rd option

[cyan crown]

Same

[next jungle]

there is always option 4

[snow pulsar]

Me when using keycard perms on something because yes. I have an idea for Map making now

[cyan crown]

4th option is raytracted shadows

[next jungle]

nah, it's rolling your own engine

[cyan crown]

Its very expensive and requires a rtx graphics card to run

That will never happen😭

Making your own engine will probably take at least 5 to 10 years

[next jungle]

true, but it's always there

[cyan crown]

Yea thats true but i can just wait for unity to fix their shit

[celest thorn]

nah at grok make an engine

it will perform 100% time better of any cod one

[cyan crown]

@flat nebula

[celest thorn]

the guy came onlie

just for you

lol

[cyan crown]

Nope he was already online

Nvm he picked up the phone

[celest thorn]

lol

your fault

you could've PINGED ME

im like with the prefix grok

[cyan crown]

I didn't see the gork in your name

[celest thorn]

just for that

one day all of the grok got wiped out

[cyan crown]

The gradient only highlights Zer0Two

[celest thorn]

wtf?

https://zer0twois.strokinit.it/🐀/s76zoala.png

[static meteor]

?

[cyan crown]

Yeah its more bright on Zer

[celest thorn]

A MAP EDITOR?

Competitor to me???

[static meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/shrug-dexter-morgan-idk-gif-2440520923239485215

[celest thorn]

https://zer0twois.strokinit.it/🐀/wcrbcb18.png

ehm

you are kinda you know public?

[static meteor]

just this rn

[unique crane]

Xd

[cyan crown]

we need to speech bubble that

[celest thorn]

Bro i created a trend

My being against MER of how unoptimized it is

[static meteor]

Im bored so i work on random shit

[cyan crown]

also love the buh

[celest thorn]

the name is cool

compared to meow

[static meteor]

Its my servers name

[celest thorn]

OHHH

ig

that makes sense

my naming is usually a reference to something

For example there's a server i've been working on called Stray

[celest thorn]

and i connected to the game which i liked and called the Core "lala" because lala is the name of the actress for the cat in stray

and the discord bot B-2

in meow there's the symbol of the aegis there on a random class

i tend to hide secrets and just comments in my project because it will be funny for the future to find them back

https://zer0twois.strokinit.it/🐀/jn3jsiju.png

[cyan crown]

I just noticed the shitty ass GPU resident drawer doesn't work in hdrp

[snow pulsar]

To be fair MER is base admintoy objects that are ported and utilized. Need more people working on a hand full of editors rather than spanning it over a dozen different map editing types.

[celest thorn]

I created it just for that mer wasn't capable of offering what i wanted so i did it myself

[snow pulsar]

I'm probably going to make an escape room or something crazy with MERToolbox since I can edit base locker perms via unity

[static meteor]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/G5J4BvRWEAAG_Ni.gif

[celest thorn]

I mean not too hard

to do

[snow pulsar]

You just need to add the special weapons locker

[celest thorn]

rn im working on blender lol and while doing that im answering you guys

idk developing rn is becoming too boring

for me

it doesn't give me the like funny stuff it did before

[snow pulsar]

I just do things to help better how it is, and some QOL things people didn't know.
I would code but that's not on the list of things to learn immediately

[upper vapor]

What the

[celest thorn]

IDK

LOL

[upper vapor]

You could become the using NWAPI = Exiled.API guy at any time

[celest thorn]

https://zer0twois.strokinit.it/🐀/iirfbb45.png

i wanna add a 3rd mtf what pose could i make him do?

[snow pulsar]

NOPE, not touching Exiled

[celest thorn]

exiled is REALLY easy

[upper vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-thumbnail-does-he-know-he-doesnt-know-gif-27552850

[celest thorn]

lol

NW Api was so fucking hard

[snow pulsar]

I'm just not messing with that framework. I'd rather throw myself off a bridge than mess with it

[celest thorn]

because it wasn't even a wrapper

[upper vapor]

It was just a plugin loader

[upper vapor]

Real

[celest thorn]

I contributed to it

[upper vapor]

At Yamato would not be happy

[celest thorn]

Yamato will flame you now

you know that

[snow pulsar]

Currently i'm correcting some unity side things for MERToolbox, and also making ref assets.

[celest thorn]

if he wakes up and sees this channel you are getting in a convo with him

prepare arguments

[upper vapor]

bool isAdmiralRight

[celest thorn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/866374673817403422/1425850638469959710/pyra-xenoblade.gif

[snow pulsar]

Yamato knows I used to use Exiled, and I still use it for my singular plugin

[celest thorn]

so why you have a problem with it?

[snow pulsar]

Because the plugins there either have no maintainers or the code looks like spaghetti and makes the server tweak

Need to make a image a gif rq

[celest thorn]

esmbot

[restive turret]

Tbh this is good

You will no longer need to send million dirty bits

[celest thorn]

Lol

[restive turret]

Ie in AdminToys you send 1

I think

[celest thorn]

Check the pr ig

[restive turret]

I checked it

[celest thorn]

Hm

[restive turret]

https://github.com/MirrorNetworking/Mirror/pull/4097/changes

[upper vapor]

Why are we commenting out code instead of just removing it

[celest thorn]

🧠

[restive turret]

Not my pr

Ask the guy

[upper vapor]

You know

We will never update to this version

[restive turret]

We will some when

[upper vapor]

In 2077 maybe

[restive turret]

I really waiting for net8 or net10 to be in unity

So I can drop netstandard support

[celest thorn]

net9.2

[restive turret]

I dont get this reference

[celest thorn]

no reference

just net9.2

[upper vapor]

Net salary

[celest thorn]

lol

[waxen kayak]

(Chinese users are not allowed to use the global Unity Store, even if you have paid for it, you are not allowed to access the resources in the global store.)

fuck you unitycn

[next jungle]

nah wtf

[upper vapor]

yeah i got the email about this a day ago

[unique crane]

Unity? That's most likely China's great government

And their big brother

[waxen kayak]

Y E S

I'm going to say something in chinese
cnmd unitycn

[restive turret]

huh

idk

you can tell me here i guess

nice so uh

what where who, whermst

[unique crane]

Send them to github ig

but if your gonna send report that method that increments time is called on server while not used

im gonna kill you

github then

What the

[true quest]

I WAS DOING UNI classes, I LOOKED AT IT and I was loosing my mind

[unique crane]

so just if(!NetworkServer.active)?

[unique crane]

Yeah im saying that

run if not server active

[hearty shard]

sl moment?

[unique crane]

Then bunch of devs are gonna be mad about how we strip super secret code from them

• runtime addition is 0

and it looks kinda shit in editor

The only thing where we have to strip code is when we work with graphics

[hearty shard]

guh?

[unique crane]

or audio