plugins-dev-chat

[spring swan]

yeah he works w/ me and math, hes a cool guy

[celest thorn]

hub

[obtuse spruce]

wooow

[celest thorn]

let me open the proj and show more

runs 200 fps

love meow

[spring swan]

for me, I just have the great memories of us losing sleep making this map

[celest thorn]

life when 9 months of development for an editor show

[obtuse spruce]

https://medal.tv/games/scp-secret-laboratory/clips/lLlkI85MzcMhuJtjq?invite=cr-MSxOVm8sMjQ2MjU3MzQ4 i just made this work and it look really great

[spring swan]

(we originally were planning on doing 3 tournaments for that decemember which was crazy

[obtuse spruce]

[celest thorn]

https://i.e-z.host/🐀/npw2ei8t.png

this is how big it is

https://i.e-z.host/🐀/mm7gi6b1.png

the one selected is a player by reference

[spring swan]

had to delay one , but it worked out id say

[sharp vine]

give me a spider scp

[celest thorn]

no

[spring swan]

tinyytonyy parkour to the exiled tournament and then scpwyatt's CTF tournament

[obtuse spruce]

look really great

[celest thorn]

i have one bigger

[obtuse spruce]

I hope your interface is not that big for player during events

[celest thorn]

its not.

[restive turret]

I would do a tournament with unreal tournament weapons

[celest thorn]

and we don't have events

its just a custom gamemode

[celest thorn]

i remember talking about it with you

[restive turret]

I'm shit with map design

[obtuse spruce]

Let make FNCS 🤡

on SL

[restive turret]

Plz make ctf_face

[obtuse spruce]

Oh okayy i misunderstood

[celest thorn]

i have a bigger map 5k x 5k

but idk if to even show it

[obtuse spruce]

Wtf

[celest thorn]

i could be taken down by nintendo

[obtuse spruce]

LMAOOO

[celest thorn]

https://i.e-z.host/🐀/ircvs56q.png

just saying

[obtuse spruce]

Huh

Your GPU on Unity

[celest thorn]

nah its fine

[obtuse spruce]

Tier list of worst moment with MER

• 2000 Primitives
• 5000 Primitives
• 8000 Primitives
• 8000 Primitives + Packed prefab
• 8000 Primitives + Packed prefab + Inside the prefab editor

[celest thorn]

i don't use MER

mer is for weaks

[spring swan]

have you ever heard of the "a couple cubes" schematic?

[obtuse spruce]

No i dont think so

[spring swan]

its peak

[restive turret]

Me when i spawn 100 * RoomCount * DoorCount coin

[spring swan]

trust

[warped prairie]

hello guy i talk to every now and then

[spring swan]

its totally not like over a million primitives shaped in a form of a cube

[celest thorn]

fake

[restive turret]

Omg i have a pic

[celest thorn]

fake news by the government

its actually 2m

[obtuse spruce]

lmao

me when spawning 15000 primitives for making minecraft world

[restive turret]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1274617943258566726/1469349477780426923/20240228_192851.jpg?ex=698ded56&is=698c9bd6&hm=f4938831102050a1a2e225db4072ac6fa56ce1a2d6504d215988154cb689e3de&

[celest thorn]

i tried benchmarking with that shape on meow

lets be honest

its not possible

[obtuse spruce]

POV : The computer model in the EZ

[celest thorn]

it shitted itself the algo for optimizing everything

[celest thorn]

on unity it took an hour to just compile and optimize it

[slender lynx]

wsp

[restive turret]

Lmao

[celest thorn]

maro 1k x 1k

[warped prairie]

i was trying to backread in the convo

bur it go too long

[obtuse spruce]

dont try

[celest thorn]

Catatttt

[obtuse spruce]

plugins-dev-cat

[celest thorn]

Ctas rante that great

Dogs better

[restive turret]

Anyway gn

[celest thorn]

Good day

[obtuse spruce]

Gn

[restive turret]

Have fun with plugin dev cus I will break it

[celest thorn]

Horible

More alcohol ig

[restive turret]

Send airdrop instead

A "care package"

[celest thorn]

Jervos alcohol

[restive turret]

1 vodka, 3 pálinka, 3 tatra tea, 6 jager

[celest thorn]

Im sllept and too much alcohol

Yippe

[obtuse spruce]

LabAPI 2.0.0 breaking changes :

https://tenor.com/view/big-book-huge-book-big-book-meme-thick-book-meme-struggling-to-turn-page-gif-15938567119012078334

[celest thorn]

Never

[restive turret]

Tbh I would do more but time constraint

And I procastinating

[obtuse spruce]

me when LabAPI breaking changes will look like an Exiled update lmao

[restive turret]

I am not gonna keep Cassie obselete in labapi

[obtuse spruce]

Major update so make sense

[restive turret]

Thatjust wasze of space

[celest thorn]

True

Loke sl in my ssd

[warped prairie]

ctually a good read

valid points ngl

[soft depot]

the lighting of that pic was just 1 light I made that was insanely bright to illuminate the entire room

I'm sure if you actually took some time you could light up the room a lot better

[upper vapor]

That's one hell of a nightmare

Built in sprites would be nice... images, not very fun

[soft turtle]

How to check if a player has a body?

[upper vapor]

Speaking head emoji

[upper pike]

I mean most players I know have a body of some kind.
Hard to play games without some sort of physical form

Jokes aside, I think you try to check if their RoleBase has a iFpcRole (First Person Controlled role) interface

Something like if (player.RoleBase is IFpcRole)

[celest thorn]

How do you know which candy is a player eating?

do i need to patch the method?

[static meteor]

        public static void OnUsingItemCompleted(PlayerItemUsageEffectsApplyingEventArgs ev)
        {
            if (ev.UsableItem.Base is Scp330Bag bag)
            {
                CandyKindID candy = bag.Candies[bag.SelectedCandyId];
            }
        }

[celest thorn]

why this complicated lol

thanks nw

[celest thorn]

the thing is does it work with pink too?

because i don't think so

[static meteor]

Should since its defined in CandyKindID

atleast afaik

[celest thorn]

im gonna test it

No btw

as i expected

[upper pike]

I think you can also use the Scp330Item wrapper instead of Scp330Bag to avoid needing the base class
But you still have to access the candy through its index which is annoying

[celest thorn]

ngl i will pr this shit lol

if it works

WAIT WHAT

pink candy doesn't trigger using too?

[upper pike]

You're kidding

[celest thorn]

No im not

ngl if it doesn't and i need to transpail

to fix it

im gonna die

Music at the perfect time lol

The caretaker showing up on my playlist rn shows my nightmares

[upper pike]

Is there another event for pink candy at least?

[celest thorn]

the event doesn't register wat

oh im stupid

i forgot to put a dependency

My bad

[2026-02-12 09:44:56.500 +01:00] [ERROR] [LabApi] 'ArgumentOutOfRangeException' occurred while invoking 'OnPlayerUsingItem' on 'PluginForTrueJudgment.EventsHandler.CandyEvents': 'Index was out of range. Must be non-negative and less than the size of the collection.
Parameter name: index', stack trace:
at System.Collections.Generic.List1[T].get_Item (System.Int32 index) [0x00009] in <13c0c460649d4ce49f991e2c222fa635>:0 at PluginForTrueJudgment.EventsHandler.CandyEvents.OnPlayerUsingItem (LabApi.Events.Arguments.PlayerEvents.PlayerUsingItemEventArgs ev) [0x00031] in <04eccae381134640901ae39ef8519589>:0 at LabApi.Events.EventManager.InvokeEvent[TEventArgs] (LabApi.Events.LabEventHandler1[TEventArgs] eventHandler, TEventArgs args) [0x0001d] in <9e8e00107de94d4f8ea9fc96c93d382f>:0

ig no

[upper pike]

Yeah, SelectedIndex returns -1 if you access it at the wrong time

[celest thorn]

lovely

OnUsingItem the player didn't do the candy

lol

im gonna test the other one

else its time to transpile

Ok the other one works

GG nw

[upper pike]

330 really needs to be rewritten

[celest thorn]

true

[restive turret]

Assigning that to you

[upper pike]

I can barely write code

[restive turret]

Aren't u KI plugin dev too

[upper pike]

Yeah, but I wouldn’t trust myself with writing any base game code

[thin shuttle]

@restive turret i found a bug

Property (_Color) exceeds maximum allowed array size (2431014). Cap to (1048575).
ArgumentOutOfRangeException: Count must be in the range of 0 to 1048575.
Parameter name: count
  at UnityEngine.Graphics.DrawMeshInstanced (UnityEngine.Mesh mesh, System.Int32 submeshIndex, UnityEngine.Material material, UnityEngine.Matrix4x4[] matrices, System.Int32 count, UnityEngine.MaterialPropertyBlock properties, UnityEngine.Rendering.ShadowCastingMode castShadows, System.Boolean receiveShadows, System.Int32 layer, UnityEngine.Camera camera, UnityEngine.Rendering.LightProbeUsage lightProbeUsage, UnityEngine.LightProbeProxyVolume lightProbeProxyVolume) [0x00000] in <00000000000000000000000000000000>:0 
  at DrawableLine.DrawableLinesManager.DrawMeshes () [0x00000] in <00000000000000000000000000000000>:0 

[restive turret]

The bug is I alive

[thin shuttle]

if you spawn ONLY 1 million and 48 thousand and 576 line it's do not spawn them anymore and deleted all other

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/872170439491850370.webp?size=48&name=trol&lossless=true

[restive turret]

Bro what

[thin shuttle]

why array size is cap to only 1 million

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/785689699053600848.webp?size=48&name=kek~2&lossless=true

big bug

[thin shuttle]

let me spawn more line

[restive turret]

That's unity

[thin shuttle]

i want more

[thin shuttle]

unity limit is 2431014

mostly 2.5 million

[umbral cosmos]

can someone help me in creating a private server in scp

[thin shuttle]

i could have SPAWN MORE LINE

[restive turret]

Create a line pool

[thin shuttle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1470165711795261451/1471497405223534719/image.png?ex=698f2640&is=698dd4c0&hm=0757be8987c5a6fb208aec0e7b8430b0bac0f13dd07be7f92033fcb805871926&

[thin shuttle]

the error is client sided

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1470165711795261451/1471484700051636452/image.png?ex=698f1a6b&is=698dc8eb&hm=57e5bbd160b8042f11378568cf4affe61575b31dbd8b0dacabd4a8928a49f303&

it's only some line @restive turret

[restive turret]

My ass

That look like you doing atleast 10k lines

[thin shuttle]

bro i said you

it's restrict me to spawn only 1 million line

why can't i spawn more

[restive turret]

Good

[thin shuttle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/872170439491850370.webp?size=48&name=trol&lossless=true

[restive turret]

I aint see any restrictions in client side so it must be unity so

[thin shuttle]

it's an Array restiction

from NW

:3

Property (_Color) exceeds maximum allowed array size (2431014). Cap to (1048575).

it's cap to only 1048575

i need more line :3

[celest thorn]

InteractableToy toy = InteractableToy.Create(player.Position, Quaternion.identity);
toy.Scale = new Vector3(10, 10, 10);
toy.Base.InteractionDuration = 0.1f;

Why doesn't this work lol?

[restive turret]

Idk

Use duration more

[hearty shard]

slime boy

[restive turret]

Cant see any rest in the code , send it where you see it and not in unity asm

[restive turret]

WHAT

Why everyone going here at the exact same time I have to go to uni

[hearty shard]

um

[celest thorn]

Idk

[hearty shard]

idk im just lurking

[celest thorn]

i just asked this

Wdym?

lol

how are you trying?

with my hands?

[forest sentinel]

what is not working

like which event

[celest thorn]

Not even an event

i do the command for spawning it

nothing happens when i click

i don't have exiled

[hearty shard]

i dont think they use exiled...

[forest sentinel]

then weird

try with more InteractionDuration

[celest thorn]

i tried 10 but nothing

[hearty shard]

buddy gave the same advice that was given 4 minutes ago lol

[forest sentinel]

and be sure NetworkIsLocked false

[celest thorn]

ig that is the problem maybe?

[upper vapor]

Interacted is called only if the duration is 0

Search events are called when it's > 0

[thin shuttle]

you can't interact from inside of it

[celest thorn]

BRUH

that maybe explains alot

[thin shuttle]

idk it's said cap

[celest thorn]

btw nope

and same thing happens

when i go to spawn it with the spawntoy

[thin shuttle]

@restive turret more seryously i don't mind for the line limit

but i got spam this message when sending an Vector3.NaN

Look rotation viewing vector is zero

[restive turret]

Setting artificial line limit to 2

[restive turret]

Ofc since none isnt a number

*NaN

[thin shuttle]

yeah

[unique crane]

No you dont

xd

[thin shuttle]

but i would prefer it to not spam Player.Log

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/785689699053600848.webp?size=48&name=kek~2&lossless=true

[thin shuttle]

i was only spawning 2 million line

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/785689699053600848.webp?size=48&name=kek~2&lossless=true

[restive turret]

Tbh I through it even DC you

[thin shuttle]

actually not

Vector3.NaN
work really great to send only one message and having two line disconnected from a single message

[restive turret]

Well there is a suggestion for it so

[thin shuttle]

that the only Collider i was making line About

only that

oh no

that not only that

yeah

that the good one

Only 9208 Colliders

with all the line needed to show BoxCollider / SphereCollider / CapsuleCollider and the little MeshCollider

@unique crane do you know why all line disapear when max is hit ?

[unique crane]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

We dont expect you to draw more than 550 lines

[unique crane]

But I guess it throws exception so the instanced drawing isnt called?

[hearty shard]

YOU

[restive turret]

You

[hearty shard]

slime....

[hearty shard]

can i have sl source code thanks bestie

[restive turret]

Yes

[hearty shard]

hello!!!

[restive turret]

That a part of it

[unique crane]

No :3

[hearty shard]

ill ask hubert then :c

[restive turret]

You one step closer

[hearty shard]

he'd surely never deny me my rights

[upper vapor]

Your what

[hearty shard]

my right to have sl source code

smh

[restive turret]

Copyleft

[thin shuttle]

No that only preinstance list

You can definitely have more than 550

[thin shuttle]

I thinks what happen it's should prevent to add when array is at the limit

[hearty shard]

hes saying its not expected behaviour to go above it

[thin shuttle]

Because of array getting too much full

It's just a pre instantiated list

[unique crane]

I said expect

[thin shuttle]

if (array.Count >= 1048575)
return;

[unique crane]

not restrict

[thin shuttle]

Yeah but can you restrict it to this value ?

[unique crane]

Where did you even get that random number

[thin shuttle]

@unique crane

If it's get above no more line are spawned

[unique crane]

https://discussions.unity.com/t/drawmeshinstanced-no-more-limit-count/917791/2

"The 2^20 array size is the limitation of the Unity-side internal buffer that’s used for storing the data."

[thin shuttle]

But can we prevent to get above this value right ?

[unique crane]

Yeah

Dont spawn 1 million lines

[tulip kiln]

Draw every other line and you got effecitvely 2x lines

[thin shuttle]

I need it to render every collision in the came

[unique crane]

Then render only closest ones

[thin shuttle]

Game*

No all at same time

[unique crane]

Sorry thats not happening then

[hearty shard]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/596813853421993998/1448317033346502748/togif.gif

[thin shuttle]

Also we can't know the one that are no more number that the one that are still render

[restive turret]

Yknow what I limiting you to 550

[thin shuttle]

Nooooooo

[restive turret]

Thats it

You are now limited

[thin shuttle]

Lol

[unique crane]

Also there is VisualizeColliders command?

[thin shuttle]

It's only render box collider

Neither capsule or cylinder

[forest sentinel]

Or mesh

[thin shuttle]

Yeah but their no mesh primitive to show us

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1470165711795261451/1471485752285204542/image.png?ex=698f1b66&is=698dc9e6&hm=16cb48be568833a4ce10bed87eed022a9e41244f488edf0179765e45eb24a2b8&

We need to fix Keycard collision

[thin shuttle]

@unique crane what do you thinks :3

[unique crane]

You forgot about client items interpolation

thats what cuases that

most likely

makes sense if it flies through space

[thin shuttle]

It's spawned like that

[unique crane]

Yeah I think thats close enough for player use

[thin shuttle]

But item are precise to the quaternion when spawned

[unique crane]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I guess not

[thin shuttle]

So are you sure it's not just the collision ?

[unique crane]

No idea

Can you pick it up?

[thin shuttle]

You can pick-up through a wall

[unique crane]

if you aim at the corners where collision "doesnt exists"

[thin shuttle]

Oh

I see

Will try

Good hint

I can't rn

But will

Later

[unique crane]

Remember that your drawing server collisions

that they are slightly off on server doesnt mean they are wrong on the client

[thin shuttle]

Yeah

[snow ruin]

did you ever got told on how to do this ?

i know fade effect had a glitch and the weapon would still be visible but its patched

[unique crane]

Unity moment number #842157845514

DoorPermissionFlags.All caused inspector to break as it had ushort.maxValue

[hearty shard]

guh

[soft turtle]

How to make a player invisible to the living and visible to spectators?

Like in Exiled. fpcRole.IsInvisibleFor.Add

[restive turret]

check how exiled does it then

[unique crane]

Fake role, I guess

[hearty shard]

it fakes the position iirc

[hearty shard]

you could fake their position with a patch

[soft turtle]

Ah

Ok

[hearty shard]

https://github.com/ExMod-Team/EXILED/blob/master/EXILED/Exiled.Events/Patches/Generic/GhostModePatch.cs

thats what exiled does

[upper vapor]

PlayerValidatedVisibilityEventArgs

[soft turtle]

Ohhhh

Thannnk youu!!

[upper vapor]

np

[restive turret]

@slender lynx lmao

[slender lynx]

what

[restive turret]

is zero with you or all AM plp

[slender lynx]

its just me and friends

nobody from am

[soft depot]

Here I’ll join

[worn gull]

In the OnShot event how can I get the the Raycast which the gun used?

[restive turret]

camt

[worn gull]

Or the point where the bullet ended

😢

[static meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-the-neat-part-you-dont-invincible-gif-27194608

[static meteor]

Might be able to use PlacedBullethole or whatever its called

[restive turret]

https://github.com/northwood-studios/LabAPI/issues/249
@worn gull

[worn gull]

Ah

[restive turret]

its in the backlog

[worn gull]

Yeah I guess I need to wait until 15.0

[restive turret]

or more

[worn gull]

[restive turret]

backlog doesnt mean it gets added it has to be approved by david / beryl

someone then we have to start working on it

[slate flume]

Afaik not possible

[snow ruin]

Well hum how did the guy did it ?

[soft depot]

so isn't LabAPI gonna change the Cassie wrapper to a different name cuz of the conflict w base game or something?

I'm just curious

[slate flume]

Either using the glitch or the primitives were large enough to cover the original model
I assumed the former because it looks rather slim

[static meteor]

It was changed to announcer cassie still exists for backwards compatibility

[soft depot]

ye just double checking

[snow ruin]

I wonder if we can choose which materials are affected by fade effect to recreate the glitch

[slate flume]

I mean I'd hope we could get something like that I hate that we can't do stuff like that now that the glitch is patched

I mean you can see there are no fingers on the gun in the model and that's what largely led me to believe they used a glitch to get it working, but now that the glitch is patched pretty sure we're cooked

[snow ruin]

annoying :(

im gonna try to look around the effect class

[slate flume]

Go for it but I don't think you'll be able to replicate the glitch with base-game functionality

The only avenue I can think of is setting the player's fade to 255 and replicating item models, likely using actual pickups
Not sure it's possible to spawn in an item world model without a player

[dim horizon]

This is the best thing I've ever seen in my entire life

[snow ruin]

fade 255 make the weapon grip smaller for some reasons

so sadly messes up bone placement

[slate flume]

Oh that's right the fade fucks with the actual size of items iirc

That's wild

[hearty shard]

Guh

[soft depot]

my best advice for the items is to just spawn a locked pickup with 0 gravity and move it every tick or something

[snow ruin]

i tried and i got bad results

[slate flume]

If a player is invisible, can you make them still able to be hit by bullets

Wait what am I saying they are by default

Ignore me

Just make the player invisible using ValidatedVisibility and recreate item models

That has the disadvantage of no player display info though

But it's probably the closest you'll get

[soft depot]

unfortunately I dont know any method to hide a player while still keeping their item out because the item is parented to the player so anything that should make them invisible would just make them go to (0,0,0) client side, and fade shrinks items

[slate flume]

This is a NW moment for sure

[soft depot]

"recreate the item models" 💀

[slate flume]

Yeah you spawn an item and put it where the model should be

They're not going to exist otherwise lmao

[soft depot]

^

[soft depot]

^

[slate flume]

Yeah I saw that and ignored it because there are no other options

Either you deal with recreating the item models or you don't do it at all

[snow ruin]

@soft depot does exiled has ressources on material names ?

i doubt so but worth asking before i try logging

[soft depot]

wdym by material names?

[snow ruin]

like the naming of materials in the game

[soft depot]

so as a heads up, you cant use custom textures or anything in game so that's just never gonna work

[snow ruin]

nah dw abt that

[soft depot]

if you need the textures though you can probably find them in the MER discord as people asset rip SL pretty often to get models of stuff

[slate flume]

You could do basic textures with TextToys but it's laggy

[snow ruin]

i think i explained that wrong

womp womp english

anyways i dont think there is

[slate flume]

This thing

[soft depot]

it would be funny as hell though to use textures for that

only issue is that the models have bends n stuff

[hearty shard]

2 days

[slate flume]

Northwood hates us though so it's not gonna happen

[soft depot]

?

[hearty shard]

Valentines

[soft depot]

you could probably get the textures though and render them with text toys, like I said, only problem is the non-cubic geometry

[soft depot]

ohhh

[restive turret]

Lmao

[hearty shard]

Yes

Im super excited

9 month anniversary

[soft depot]

yea you can probably tell how excited I am

[restive turret]

Yes it renamed to Announcer instead of Cassie (cus I wanna expand on it)

[unique crane]

Conflict with base game

[hearty shard]

I'm a happy girl

[restive turret]

And ye basegame conflict , will be removed at some point

[unique crane]

Of what

[soft depot]

[hearty shard]

Being together w my gf

[slate flume]

[unique crane]

Oh Oki

[hearty shard]

Ya

[slate flume]

Can we get some more steamhappy in the chat

[restive turret]

[soft depot]

(david doesn't understand it cuz he's one of us lonely nerds )

[hearty shard]

No more steam happy, only

[hearty shard]

damn...

[slate flume]

Same

[hearty shard]

just get a boyfriend instead

[unique crane]

Who said I don't have anyone

[hearty shard]

me

[slate flume]

Based

[restive turret]

Be a gf then

[unique crane]

Well you might be wrong

[hearty shard]

That was what I was intending

[hearty shard]

Me wrong?

[restive turret]

[hearty shard]

never

[slate flume]

If I had a strong relationship atm I wouldn't be trolling these forums and complaining about the whims of Northwood

[unique crane]

On daily basis*

[hearty shard]

Lmao

[hearty shard]

Nono

[slate flume]

I'd have better things to do with my time just full honesty

[unique crane]

See

Again

[soft depot]

same

[hearty shard]

I'd have better things to do if I wasn't stoopid

Aha

But tbf in the future ill hopefully do more than just sit at my pc

[unique crane]

Shrimp

[slate flume]

Why else would I be so embroiled with the SL community I mean really, I'm not a sadist I'm just bored

[hearty shard]

You should become a shrimp

[unique crane]

No you

[hearty shard]

Oh...

I prefer being a cat

[unique crane]

Fair enough

Eve is a furry?

[restive turret]

Yes

[unique crane]

And on that bombshell

I'm gonna go eep

[restive turret]

Eeeepy david

[hearty shard]

That's you

[unique crane]

Me?

[hearty shard]

Yes!

[unique crane]

I would never

[hearty shard]

I should toløo

Too

Yeah uh gn lmao

[slate flume]

Is SpeakerToy reverb variable still planned?

@restive turret you're the slime man right, what's the deal w/ that

Wanna know if it's been tracked or not or if I should make a suggestion

[restive turret]

Uh its imported so it will be looked into it

[slate flume]

Sick

[restive turret]

I remember seeing it

[slate flume]

Well here is hoping

[snow ruin]

after trying like 20 patches ( 💀 ) we cannot prevent materials from fading$

we can get which are fading but it does even include the weapon model itself

RIP on this one

[restive turret]

F

[slate flume]

Called it

They had no reason to client-sync that

It's preventing the material from fading on the server but the client doesn't recognize it

[restive turret]

Well the fading should work with weapons to if you think about it

Tho idk why shrinking it, probably cus doesn't have a fading stuff for it so it gets smaller

[slate flume]

Fading used to leave weapons visible

[restive turret]

Idk if thats intended or not so

[slate flume]

It's not, that's why the shrinking was added

[waxen kayak]

can i just run async function by this?```Task.Run(async () => await AsyncFunc()); private async Task AsyncFunc(){
MEC.Timing.CallDelayed(0,()=> {
Processing.player?.SendConsoleMessage($"something", "yellow");
Hub = DummyUtils.SpawnDummy();
});
}

[upper vapor]

Speaking head emoji

[upper vapor]

Toløo

[upper vapor]

No

You can't interact with unity from another thread

Actually because of the Coroutine it might work

But why are you doing it like this

Have a look at Awaitables

[slate flume]

You're running a coroutine inside an async 😭

You're literally doing all the processing inside a coroutine

What's the point of the async if you're executing all the logic on the main thread anyways with MEC.Timing

[waxen kayak]

because it download something

and stuck the thread

[slate flume]

^

Don't use a coroutine in an async function

[static meteor]

use UnityWebRequest D:

[waxen kayak]

also convent a audio to ogg

[upper vapor]

Yes

[waxen kayak]

stuck thread too

[upper vapor]

You can use Awaitables with that

[waxen kayak]

?

[upper vapor]

https://docs.unity3d.com/6000.3/Documentation/ScriptReference/Awaitable.html

Also why do you need to convert it to ogg

[slate flume]

Probably downloading a file from the web, getting .ogg audio from it, and playing it

[waxen kayak]

download a audio convent to sl playable

[slate flume]

No need to convert to .ogg though

[upper vapor]

Exactly

[waxen kayak]

48000khz

[slate flume]

.ogg is not the only audio type SL supports

I use .mp3 myself

[upper vapor]

You can use any format, just gotta be able to read it

[upper vapor]

WHAT

[slate flume]

This is because I'm lazy

[glad pagoda]

unity only added mp3 in like 2021

[slate flume]

48000 Hz = 48 kHz

[glad pagoda]

after the patent expired

[slate flume]

You have it wrong

[slate flume]

I use an external library to process .mp3 files

[glad pagoda]

iirc they also support flac and wav

and I think they had alac too?

[slate flume]

There are external libraries to support everything

[waxen kayak]

but it stuck thread

and stuck server

[slate flume]

Worrying about file type is stupid

[waxen kayak]

so i have to start a thread to process this

[glad pagoda]

no it was aiff

[upper vapor]

Also aiff (troll)

Ye

[slate flume]

Yes but don't run a coroutine in there

[upper vapor]

Again, use Awaitables
Unity has an AudioClipDownloadHandler that you can use to get an audio clip, though you might need to resample and downmix

[glad pagoda]

but, unity converts flac and aiff to pcm or vorbis anyway

since they only support pcm/adpcm/vorbis/mp3 at runtime

[waxen kayak]

i think run a coroutine can redirect codes to unity thread

[slate flume]

Yes it can

But why would you do that

You're trying to run off of the main thread

[upper vapor]

Yes but in an async context, you might as well Awaitable.MaimThreadAsync

[slate flume]

Create a task and use it to await a download, don't use a coroutine inside a task

[waxen kayak]

start a thread->(thread) download convent->run coroutine ->(unity)play audio

[glad pagoda]

I'm still so happy with the cleanup I did on HttpQuery

[slate flume]

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but doesn't this work:

private async Task DoWork()
{
    var result = await Task.Run(() =>
    {
        return HeavyProcessing();
    });
    // ... Other stuff below now runs on main thread
}

[upper vapor]

What the jelly

[glad pagoda]

no

[slate flume]

Idk I don't use tasks

[upper vapor]

Do not trust

The Unity scheduler

[glad pagoda]

well not 100% sure

but

unity does weird stuff to force tasks to run on main thread

[upper vapor]

Awaitable.BackgroundThreadAsync
Network request
Awaitable.MainThreadAsync

[glad pagoda]

so they dont have to deal with people calling their apis from other places

[waxen kayak]

i havent test but i think it works

[slate flume]

Got it

[waxen kayak]

the main reason is NeteaseAPI.ConvertToOggMono48kHz(p, pn); is sync

and takes a long time

[slate flume]

So probably something like

private async Task ProcessSongAsync(long songId)
{
    await Awaitable.BackgroundThreadAsync();
    var data = DownloadSong(songId);
    var processed = ConvertAudio(data);
    await Awaitable.MainThreadAsync();
    PlayAudio(processed);
}

If I'm not mistaken

[waxen kayak]

yes

[slate flume]

I'm saying don't use coroutines to run on main thread

Stop that

Also Timing.CallDelayed(0, action) causes a one-frame delay, it's not instant

[upper vapor]

What the helly

Yk atp why not use ffmpeg

[upper vapor]

MainThreadAsync also does that

So it's not different in this manner

[slate flume]

I wanted to point it out cause it appears they're trying to use it to run code instantly

[waxen kayak]

ok

so just remove calldelayed and just run it？

im lazy to installffmpeg

[upper vapor]

No

[upper vapor]

Do this

[slate flume]

I've literally never used tasks before it's cool my crude attempt actually makes sense

[waxen kayak]

👌

[upper vapor]

Btw why do you delete songs

Wouldn't it make sense to cache them instead?

[waxen kayak]

ConvertToOggMono48kHz(p, pn); makes a copy（p copy to pb）

[upper vapor]

Oh aight

[slate flume]

What is song info about

It's a long

[waxen kayak]

hm

3mins to 4mins

[slate flume]

The uh

Id

What is songId

[waxen kayak]

idk because it download from 网易云（like Spotify）

[waxen kayak]

a song's identify

[slate flume]

Right but how are you determining it

Is it that people get the Id from 网易云, then you query it

[waxen kayak]

player input（command）

[waxen kayak]

y

[slate flume]

Interesting

Why are you using dummies to play the audio and not SpeakerToys

[waxen kayak]

because i want to players know the song name（DummyHub.ReferenceHub.nicknameSync.Network_myNickSync =$"playing - {name}"）

[slate flume]

Oh cool that's an interesting way of doing it

[upper vapor]

Also lets you mute it easily ig

Khm

[slate flume]

I have one idea you might want to look into
You currently download and convert the whole file at once
E.g. download everything -> decode everything -> create clip -> play

You could download and convert the file in chunks
E.g. download first chunk -> decode first chunk -> add to buffer -> play while the process repeats

Would make your system much more responsive

[waxen kayak]

hmm

diffcult for me

[slate flume]

Run the playing on the main thread, using a buffer, and then handle downloading/processing in the async

[slate flume]

Fair enough

[upper vapor]

I'll solve network audio once and for all

[waxen kayak]

hmm

start Awaitable by Task.Run?

[celest thorn]

you should avoid task at all cost

unity doesn't like them lol

[waxen kayak]

so how to start Awaitable

[celest thorn]

you try not to use them

or if you really need to use a class that then can bring it back on the main thread without risking everything to break

[waxen kayak]

hmm

[celest thorn]

using System;
using System.Collections.Generic;
using UnityEngine;
using Logger = LabApi.Features.Console.Logger;

#pragma warning disable CS1591 // Missing XML comment for publicly visible type or member
#pragma warning disable SA1600
public class MainThreadDispatcher : MonoBehaviour
{
    /// <summary>
    /// Actions in queue.
    /// </summary>
    private static readonly Queue<Action> Actions = [];

    /// <summary>
    /// Gets instance of the Dispatcher.
    /// </summary>
    public static MainThreadDispatcher? Instance { get; private set; } = null;

    public static void Initialize()
    {
        if (Instance != null)
        {
            return;
        }

        GameObject gameObject = new GameObject($"Twitch MainThreadDispatcher")
        {
            hideFlags = HideFlags.HideAndDontSave,
        };

        DontDestroyOnLoad(gameObject);

        gameObject.AddComponent<MainThreadDispatcher>();
    }

    /// <summary>
    /// Enqueues a new action.
    /// </summary>
    /// <param name="action">the action to do.</param>
    public static void Enqueue(Action action)
    {
        lock (Actions)
        {
            Actions.Enqueue(action);
        }
    }

    private void Awake()
    {
        if (Instance != null && Instance != this)
        {
            Destroy(gameObject);
            return;
        }

        Instance = this;

        Logger.Info($"Spawned \"{gameObject.name}\"");
    }

    private void Update()
    {
        lock (Actions)
        {
            while (Actions.Count > 0)
            {
                Actions.Dequeue()?.Invoke();
            }
        }
    }
}

I've used something like this to do Twitch actions

When doing actions that required stuff from the main thread to be done outside of the thread of unity

[waxen kayak]

hmm

a function that stuck thread a long time

[celest thorn]

No thats not what this does

like computer work with threads, and they usually can't communicate especially on unity they shit really fast if you try to do stuff like this so this exist

you can safely now do stuff like idk, but i would reccomend if you are doing audio stuff

to just use Axwabo library

to play the audio

https://canary.discord.com/channels/330432627649544202/1407844197301620826

[waxen kayak]

@upper vapor what library lol

[celest thorn]

but for getting the music you need a stream / something to play it

[celest thorn]

.

maybe do a cache system

[upper vapor]

???

[upper vapor]

Just call the method

[celest thorn]

Task can kill the thread

[upper vapor]

Awaitables won't

[waxen kayak]

btw this is the way to know id https://music.163.com/#/song?id=3342981041

[upper vapor]

What files do they serve? Mp3?

[waxen kayak]

@upper vapor@celest thorn@slate flumeworking now

[upper vapor]

Nice

[celest thorn]

Nice

wait is this like korean soundcloud?

[next jungle]

that is def not Korean my guy

[waxen kayak]

m4a

[celest thorn]

Oh its chinese

yea my bad

[waxen kayak]

i dont know because im chinese

[celest thorn]

im tired asf

[upper vapor]

Ah

[celest thorn]

What i mean is like the website is a chinese version of soundcloud?

https://soundcloud.com/

[upper vapor]

Zero does not know how to distinguish between Asian languages

[celest thorn]

this website

[celest thorn]

Bro im sleepy asf

[next jungle]

✅

[celest thorn]

had a night so bad

idk how i can even talk

[waxen kayak]

hmm

i guess so

[celest thorn]

hope its not as bad as soundcloud lol

[celest thorn]

thats crazy you use the microsoft edge

[waxen kayak]

hmm

[celest thorn]

first encounter in my life ngl

[waxen kayak]

my life depends on Microsoft

[next jungle]

at least its not chrome

[celest thorn]

True

true

[next jungle]

helium tho 👀

[upper pike]

Tbf, I used to use Edge on my crappy 2008 PC because its actually one of the browser apps that use the least amount of RAM

[celest thorn]

i just use firefox

runs good

[waxen kayak]

sending the code

[celest thorn]

on a pc that sucks so much cannot even run anything aside from docker

[static meteor]

I use edge :(

[celest thorn]

i use it for storage

[upper pike]

Yeah, now I use Firefox because I have more than 4 GB of DDR2 RAM

[celest thorn]

Im sorry to hear your lost

[upper vapor]

"We will protect your privacy, and that's a promise!"

[waxen kayak]

promise

lol

[celest thorn]

honestly idc about the entire privacy thing, its so a far fetched promise that i know its impossible they just need some small stuff on your browser request to make an identifier for you

so its impossible

and tbh i still do wonder why i receive cat videos and cat food when im allergic to cats and i hate those bastards

the only good advertisement i receive was for a small game that was actually really good

but thats it

[upper vapor]

They flat out removed the statement
How are you supposed to trust them

[celest thorn]

Yea brave did the same thing

so am i surprised?

no

and anywhere in the world you will have this problem

at this point its a concept so complex

im not surprised

[upper vapor]

It's time to switch to Ladybird

[celest thorn]

what?

WHAT THE FUCK

[next jungle]

I mean you are not forced to 🙏

[celest thorn]

This guys are crazy

[upper vapor]

Real

[celest thorn]

but respect

lol

[upper vapor]

There's another project like this, Servo iirc

[celest thorn]

i wouldn't even know where to start

[upper vapor]

By reconsidering your decisions in life

[static meteor]

I have chrome and firefox installed but i dont use them

[upper vapor]

Why

[celest thorn]

Why?

[upper vapor]

Microslop fanboy

[celest thorn]

Useless space ngl

[upper vapor]

You like copilot?

[static meteor]

I dont use copilot

[celest thorn]

I like another AI agent that will spy on my data and anaylize it to use it for their next model

please give me some more waiter

[upper vapor]

WebMCP is coming

[next jungle]

I also have chrome just to grab one dll

[upper vapor]

We're so cooked

[restive turret]

Waiter waiter leak my api keys

[celest thorn]

btw funniest shit and i still do wonder the overlords of instagram reels (META) who they have my own bio data and shit because of my vr have thought it was a smart idea to advertise to me "FEET TRACKERS for VRCHAT" HELLO????? i don't play VRCHAT i have a VR BUT NOT VRCHAT

and even MY FRIEND GOT RECCOMENDED THAT

[static meteor]

I got that exact thing but on youtube

[celest thorn]

like WHAT

[celest thorn]

lol

Who tf is buying feet trackers

like goddamit

[waxen kayak]

🇬 🇦 🇾

[restive turret]

Apparently you

[celest thorn]

IM NOT BUYING THAT SHIT

and they wouldn't even fit

lol

100%

i would need an american size

[restive turret]

Saying that while you currently wearing it, insane

[celest thorn]

true im wearing 20 pairs rn

i do wonder who bought them

like i wanna interview them

and ask them what brings you so low in life, that you need a feet tracker in vr

probably the same road that makes you become a developer on a game called SCP: Secret laboratory

but that is the good ending compared to that

[next jungle]

there is a new slime tracker with toe tracking tho

[celest thorn]

i think it was made by them

[static meteor]

This is what i saw

[celest thorn]

yes it was that

[next jungle]

because why the fuck not

that is why ngl

[upper vapor]

Who says I'm gay

[celest thorn]

this community can be expressed with

Kids

and gay people

and 1% of people that just play for enjoy

[waxen kayak]

:fearful:

[celest thorn]

lol

my argument stands

im first one

then you look at general

[waxen kayak]

tf2

[next jungle]

game

[celest thorn]

tf2 is goated like cs

the best clip in the world are on CS

tbh

[upper vapor]

DOOR STUCK

[slate flume]

Hey so how do I actually check if a person is holding down the shoot button when holding a revolver

[upper vapor]

Good wuestion

[slate flume]

doubleActionModule._triggerPull.IsPulling || !doubleActionModule._serverShotCooldown.Ready doesn't work because it registers as false before the player can shoot again

Which also means that doubleActionModule.TimeBetweenShots isn't a reliable metric

Because that's what _serverShotCooldown uses

[upper vapor]

What if the value is only synced when shootin

[slate flume]

Wdym

[slate flume]

The problem is that this returns false like .1 seconds before the player can shoot again

[upper vapor]

I'll have a look when this stupid class ends

[next jungle]

oh yea that reminded me, any idea why 015 projectile refused to spawn in a coroutine?

[slate flume]

This provides 0 context

Could be 15 billion different reasons

1. Where are you running this coroutine?
2. Do the LocalAdminLogs show any issues?
3. Is this consistent behaviour or is it intermittent?
4. Show code

[upper vapor]

015

[slate flume]

^

It's 018

[next jungle]

OH LMAO

took me a second to realize it was the wrong number

[upper vapor]

SIKE

That's the wroooong numba

[next jungle]

yea just lemmie spawn a fuck ton of pipes and throw it

[upper vapor]

Mundian to Bach Ke should have a metal pipe falling version

[slate flume]

Is there a way to speed up console output

If I log something every frame, the console falls behind

Which is lame and stupid

[upper vapor]

Not really

You're pretty much confined to your terminals speed

[slate flume]

Oh so it's a command prompt thing?

[upper vapor]

Use linux

Probably

[slate flume]

No :)

[upper vapor]

Might be LA though

[upper vapor]

Skill issue

[slate flume]

Tell game studios to add better Linux support

Can't play games like R6 on Linux

[upper vapor]

True but
You can just pay games that don't have kernel-level AC

[slate flume]

I'm sorry I want to play a game with friends

Sue me

[slate flume]

^

[upper vapor]

Gay ming

Lame excuse, you could dual boot and have your Linux system be bricked by a windows update

[next jungle]

anyways back to the point, I was running a Timing.CallDelayed which used TimedGrenadeProjectile.SpawnActive from a Thrown event if I remember correctly, I don't think I saw any errors but would have to check again

[upper vapor]

[slate flume]

See the thing is the phenomenon you're describing isn't happening to any of us

You have to get into specifics, you can't be vague

Show logs, code, all that

[restive turret]

Haha Ubisoft and support

[upper vapor]

Cucumber soft

[next jungle]

could when I get home but not rn

[next jungle]

commercial acs support Linux fine, devs refuse to tho

[pulsar locust]

All I can think of when it comes to WebMCP is that stealer developers are just gonna find a way to use them to steal cookies and passwords

[restive turret]

Puhauborka

[upper vapor]

Xd

[upper vapor]

We love prompot injection

Skill issue because of a html comment

[slate flume]

Exactly

[pulsar locust]

Not even prompt injection, the stealer can implement the MCP protocol, and make the browser use it

[upper vapor]

Again it's the game that's the issue

[restive turret]

Devs & publishers usually

[pulsar locust]

There's no kernel acs for Linux, all acs that work on Windows that are kernel, are userspace on Linux

then again no sane Linux user will taint their kernel with a kernel ac

[next jungle]

✅

[pulsar locust]

tainting it with ZFS modules is better

[next jungle]

just one more module

[restive turret]

My totally legit

[pulsar locust]

Out of tree I run the v4l2loopback module and zfs

[restive turret]

BallsAntiCheeseKernelModule

[pulsar locust]

Because stupidly there is no way to register new v4l2 devices without modifying the kernel

[next jungle]

oh boy I love having issues that none else is having

[restive turret]

That's usually plugin development

[upper vapor]

AllIssues.RandomItem()

[slate flume]

-# (More often than not, it's a skill issue)

[next jungle]

very likely

[slate flume]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1224004104074825839/1428381723334545539/attachment.gif

[slate flume]

Why is windows terminal so slow 😭

It's crazy

[next jungle]

can't say I know how slow it is, I use wezterm

[pulsar locust]

Even on some poor devices it doesn't open that slowly for me

[static meteor]

Its not slow for me

[slate flume]

It's not about it opening slowly

It's about the massive lag with outputs

If you output a variable every frame, it doesn't log fast enough to keep it up-to-date

It lags behind

[slate flume]

Then you haven't abused it hard enough

[pulsar locust]

That's probably a renderer thing

Also outputting something every frame is quite niche that most people will absolutely not need

It's not like you can read everything it outputs anyway

[slate flume]

It's something I need

Like right now

[slate flume]

I'm outputting a boolean value every frame

It's easy to read

[slate flume]

If it was then the timestamps wouldn't have gaps, no?

[upper vapor]

Make your own window

[pulsar locust]

Windows terminal doesn't have built in timestamps that's not even it's fault lmao

[upper vapor]

Would be funny if the timestamp was captured at the time of printing the line

[slate flume]

It shows that it's taking considerable time to output

That's my point

Doesn't matter what the issue is, the issue is there

[next jungle]

localadmin HATES this one trick, learn it today

[pulsar locust]

the bottleneck is something else, openconsole (the thing that terminal is using in the background) is quite capable

[slate flume]

Okay

Still slow

Idk what your point is

[pulsar locust]

But it's not windows terminal

[slate flume]

It is

I'm using Windows Terminal and it's being slow

Diagnosis: Windows Terminal = slow

Idgaf what part of it is being slow, it's being slow

[pulsar locust]

Windows terminal isn't gonna block the console output for that long

[pulsar locust]

Congrats on your sample size of 1

[slate flume]

Except I see similar complaints when I look up similar issues

I found a bunch of forums talking about these kinds of issues in my search

[pulsar locust]

The stack overflow post seems to talk about the windows standard library printf blocking the thread lmao

That's not a windows terminal thing that's just windows itself

[slate flume]

Well then I'll still be blaming windows

All I want here is fast output

[upper vapor]

As you should

[slate flume]

I'm saying what I'm using is currently incredibly slow and what I'm using is windows

I'm complaining that windows is being slow

[pulsar locust]

openconsole is capable of handling that amount of output which is displayed by wsl2 being fast

[upper vapor]

I was gonna say use WSL but

[slate flume]

okay man I know nothing about it

Idk what point you want to make here

I'll take your word for it

Why do you feel the need to nitpick my complaints about Windows being slow

I never claimed to be an expert, I'm just an unhappy consumer

[pulsar locust]

Funny innit

[upper vapor]

Bri'ish

[pulsar locust]

Also that the terminal app itself is capable and it's just windows being shit

[slate flume]

Idek what WSL2 is, I just write code

I've never had to concern myself this much with terminal shenanigans

[pulsar locust]

WSL2 is a type 1 hypervisor
It just allows you to run Linux on windows

With like gpu access and somewhat direct hardware access

[slate flume]

Sick

[upper vapor]

You're still suffering the terminal output of windows

Even if the Linux vm is running blazingly fast

[pulsar locust]

WSL2 bypasses the slow printf function according to that stackoverflow post

[upper vapor]

Hmm

Ig it's worth doing that then

@slate flume you could make a script that copies the plugin into the WSL config when you build your project

[slate flume]

Interesting

[pulsar locust]

Hey look an email I can't read

[upper vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-ching-cheng-hanji-chinese-chinese-tom-tom-and-jerry-gif-18775286

[slate flume]

It's literally like 3-4 frames but that's not acceptable

Doing similar things with AutomaticActionModule doesn't have this issue

[restive turret]

@hearty shard

[slate flume]

Is this a bug or am I missing something?

[next jungle]

wtf did you order

[pulsar locust]

I bought an avatar a few weeks ago, they were doing some sort of promotion and I earned some reward points or something

[next jungle]

wait wdym by avatar but still nice

[pulsar locust]

Booth's an online marketplace that sells avatars or cosmetics for games like vrchat or vtuber software

[next jungle]

I knew about some other things you can buy there, didn't know about that stuff

[restive turret]

Idk

3-4 frame seems valid to can't shoot

[slate flume]

It's not about "can't shoot"

It's the server saying the client can shoot while it can't

[slate flume]

If you hold down M1 with AutomaticActionModule or DisruptorActionModule, it registers true while you do so (except if you're dry firing)
This is because you're sending a shoot command to the server every frame you hold M1 when it's valid

I got to DoubleActionModule (revolvers) and noticed that if you hold M1, there's a short period of time where the game says the trigger isn't pulling, and the cooldown isn't triggered, but the client still doesn't send a shoot packet until 3-4+ frames (I've seen it up to like 6-7 too), which means there's a period of time where for around .1 seconds, the server is able to accept a shooting packet, but the client doesn't send it

Why is this happening

I can only assume it's a bug with the game

My guess is that _basePostShotCooldown is improperly serialized, and that the actual revolver animation takes longer than that cooldown

Which would be a bug, no?

[restive turret]

Idk?

[upper vapor]

can you check if the trigger pull is visible while you're spectatinng someonne>?

ServerProcessCmd should handle StartPulling properly

check _serverPullTokenUsed

[slate flume]

I'll log that and the IsPulling + Ready

[restive turret]

What if you log both? And not with OR

[slate flume]

Log IsPulling and Ready separately?

Sure

[2026-02-13 03:21:28.179 -06:00] [INFO] [SodaPlugin] False | True | False
[2026-02-13 03:21:28.194 -06:00] [INFO] [SodaPlugin] False | True | False
[2026-02-13 03:21:28.210 -06:00] [INFO] [SodaPlugin] False | True | False
[2026-02-13 03:21:28.226 -06:00] [INFO] [SodaPlugin] False | True | False
[2026-02-13 03:21:28.242 -06:00] [INFO] [SodaPlugin] False | True | False
[2026-02-13 03:21:28.261 -06:00] [INFO] [SodaPlugin] False | True | False
[2026-02-13 03:21:28.275 -06:00] [INFO] [SodaPlugin] False | True | False
[2026-02-13 03:21:28.290 -06:00] [INFO] [SodaPlugin] False | True | False
[2026-02-13 03:21:28.320 -06:00] [INFO] [SodaPlugin] False | True | False
[2026-02-13 03:21:28.335 -06:00] [INFO] [SodaPlugin] False | True | False
[2026-02-13 03:21:28.350 -06:00] [INFO] [SodaPlugin] False | True | False
[2026-02-13 03:21:28.368 -06:00] [INFO] [SodaPlugin] False | True | False
[2026-02-13 03:21:28.381 -06:00] [INFO] [SodaPlugin] False | True | False
[2026-02-13 03:21:28.396 -06:00] [INFO] [SodaPlugin] False | True | False
[2026-02-13 03:21:28.413 -06:00] [INFO] [SodaPlugin] False | True | False
[2026-02-13 03:21:28.429 -06:00] [INFO] [SodaPlugin] False | True | False
[2026-02-13 03:21:28.444 -06:00] [INFO] [SodaPlugin] False | True | False
[2026-02-13 03:21:28.480 -06:00] [INFO] [SodaPlugin] False | False | True
[2026-02-13 03:21:28.491 -06:00] [INFO] [SodaPlugin] False | False | True
[2026-02-13 03:21:28.506 -06:00] [INFO] [SodaPlugin] False | False | True
[2026-02-13 03:21:28.521 -06:00] [INFO] [SodaPlugin] False | False | True
[2026-02-13 03:21:28.536 -06:00] [INFO] [SodaPlugin] False | False | True
[2026-02-13 03:21:28.552 -06:00] [INFO] [SodaPlugin] False | True | False
[2026-02-13 03:21:28.568 -06:00] [INFO] [SodaPlugin] False | True | False

Huh interesting

[upper pike]

What does IsPulling refer to?

When the trigger is pulled?

[restive turret]

When i pull from git

[upper pike]

And then there's that short delay between pulling the trigger and firing if the gun's not cocked beforehand

[slate flume]

I cut out some of the LabAPI stuff to log faster and notice that occasionally, in between shots it's 3 False

[2026-02-13 03:29:24.943 -06:00] False | True | False
[2026-02-13 03:29:24.958 -06:00] False | True | False
[2026-02-13 03:29:24.977 -06:00] False | True | False
[2026-02-13 03:29:24.993 -06:00] False | True | False
[2026-02-13 03:29:25.006 -06:00] False | True | False
[2026-02-13 03:29:25.024 -06:00] False | True | False
[2026-02-13 03:29:25.038 -06:00] False | True | False
[2026-02-13 03:29:25.068 -06:00] False | True | False
[2026-02-13 03:29:25.087 -06:00] False | True | False
[2026-02-13 03:29:25.114 -06:00] False | True | False
[2026-02-13 03:29:25.130 -06:00] False | True | False
[2026-02-13 03:29:25.145 -06:00] False | True | False
[2026-02-13 03:29:25.162 -06:00] False | False | False
[2026-02-13 03:29:25.176 -06:00] False | False | True
[2026-02-13 03:29:25.195 -06:00] False | False | True
[2026-02-13 03:29:25.209 -06:00] False | False | True
[2026-02-13 03:29:25.225 -06:00] False | False | True
[2026-02-13 03:29:25.239 -06:00] False | False | True
[2026-02-13 03:29:25.255 -06:00] False | True | False

IsPulled is always false, no way that's not fully client-sided

But _serverPullTokenUsed is of importantance

Makes much more sense now

Can I say that I hate the way Revolver is coded

It sucks

[celest thorn]

PlayerSpawningEventArgs

How can i change the role they are gonna be?

because if i do use the Set it throws an error

[2026-02-13 10:37:41.411 +01:00] [ERROR] [LabApi] 'NullReferenceException' occurred while invoking 'OnRoleSetCoupon' on 'plugin.Handlers.ServerHandler': 'Object reference not set to an instance of an object', stack trace:
at InventorySystem.Searching.SearchCoordinator.RoleChanged (ReferenceHub userHub, PlayerRoles.PlayerRoleBase prevRole, PlayerRoles.PlayerRoleBase newRole) [0x00024] in <332b3633824a437197df9bab18f671d8>:0
at (wrapper delegate-invoke) <Module>.invoke_void_ReferenceHub_PlayerRoleBase_PlayerRoleBase(ReferenceHub,PlayerRoles.PlayerRoleBase,PlayerRoles.PlayerRoleBase)
at (wrapper dynamic-method) PlayerRoles.PlayerRoleManager.PlayerRoles.PlayerRoleManager.InitializeNewRole_Patch0(PlayerRoles.PlayerRoleManager,PlayerRoles.RoleTypeId,PlayerRoles.RoleChangeReason,PlayerRoles.RoleSpawnFlags,Mirror.NetworkReader)
at PlayerRoles.PlayerRoleManager.ServerSetRole (PlayerRoles.RoleTypeId newRole, PlayerRoles.RoleChangeReason reason, PlayerRoles.RoleSpawnFlags spawnFlags, System.Action`1[T] beforeSendAction) [0x00075] in <332b3633824a437197df9bab18f671d8>:0

[slate flume]

Use PlayerChangingRole and check for UseSpawnpoint flag

Spawning/Spawned is just PlayerChanging/Changed except a little later and it only happens if UseSpawnpoint flag is active

[celest thorn]

Tbh the problem is

that i need to change another player role

[slate flume]

This is evidenced by a couple facts

1. Instead of giving you RoleTypeId, they give you PlayerRoleBase, meaning the player's role has already been determined

[celest thorn]

so its a bit complicated

[celest thorn]

but i can do that

[slate flume]

It happens in SetPosition, meaning all that happens is that you stop a player from being teleported, not from changing role

[slate flume]

What can I do to make sure this 3 False case doesn't happen?
It's not an issue with any other firearm

My only thought is delaying everything by one frame and adding manual revolver handling, but that's lame