plugins-dev-chat

[restive turret]

CSGo

Community Server Guidelines ommm

[celest thorn]

they are scary

[upper vapor]

After the client has received the initial nickname, it'll put the star there when receiving a new one, no?

[slate flume]

Idk probably but you can fake sync the name you give to the client

[upper vapor]

Well initially ofc

Not sure about modifying it

UpdateCustomName is a syncvar hook, therefore runs client-side (too)

[harsh thorn]

Nah displayname is separate from the real name

The real name is used internally by the client to as part of whats verify our signatures for badges or reports

[slate flume]

Am I seriously going to have to program my own mute command what the fuck

Crazy that I'm not allowed to extend the base-game system to muting communications in my plugin

I made a suggestion if anyone has any ideas on what can be done to fix this

[ashen hound]

if someone wonders in case of z fight with displaykit then it wont happen lol

UI documents have sort order soo yes

[marble cobalt]

Are we just going to be cooked forever because of the whims of some Northwood elites or are we going to see some changes happen to get this done?
I mean it seriously pisses me off that we were this close to an actual solution only for it to get shot down by bogus security concerns.
Just let us make proper plugins for real
That's certainly an encouraging way to discuss things 😅

[spare zodiac]

seems like someone who would give speeches

[restive turret]

Wrong place sry

[spare zodiac]

yo it's the katze

[restive turret]

I was in-sleep trying implement something but in the end it goes to "no support for non VC". Tried many stuff like "callback when not muted" but you can still make a check for hey is muted if not responded to this callback or smth

[marble cobalt]

it was suggested that plugins be given access to client-sided mutes.
Having played in various online communities as I grew up, from Garry's Mod to Minecraft, I've had my run-ins with staff members, and I know for a fact something like this would have been misused for harassments or sanctions, it's just a privacy measure

Even nowadays, if I mute a staff member for whatever reason, I'm not sure I'd like them to know, as a player

[restive turret]

Imo you shouldn't able to mute moderation people

But that's other story

[celest thorn]

A solution could be checking if they have speakers parented or something so you can mute them

like how the chat works

that could be really useful or having like stuff to tell which player sent that

[marble cobalt]

It's a solution we've proposed internally when discussing the suggestion in the past

[marble cobalt]

However, ThatGuy wants mutes to also affect players in their text chat plugin, which is a valid suggestion

[celest thorn]

yea i do have the same exact issue with ATOH

but tbh idk how to fix that

because it would be annoying having another menu

[marble cobalt]

I'm just personally concerned of the privacy ramifications by sharing who you've muted

[celest thorn]

thats true a solution could be maybe tags?

or kinda something that tells the client

Hint parameter?

SSKeybindHintParameter exist

so same could be for a text but sent by a player

idk this are the solution i can think of

[restive turret]

But it's a textoy

Mostly

[celest thorn]

hmmm

Wait

great idea

Parenting

[restive turret]

It can have an owner

[celest thorn]

based on the parenting?

thats a great way to tell

atleast it becomes useful

[upper vapor]

Doesn't work if you want the speaker to be separate

[celest thorn]

else having on the AdminToy the recyclableId

of a possible owner

[restive turret]

So technically you can do smth like "hey if the owner of the object is muted don't show/update this

[upper vapor]

Yeah

[restive turret]

Admintoy already have refhub

*linked to it

[celest thorn]

fr?

[upper vapor]

Owner is not synced

[celest thorn]

I don't think its on the server

[restive turret]

F

Check OnSpawned

[restive turret]

Or maybe I'm just bad at remembering but it has refhub connection in there

[celest thorn]

like my idea is to have something global that you can use

[restive turret]

Maybe ain't saving it

[celest thorn]

like on Hints

and other stuff

like a tag tbh

[restive turret]

I ain't use hints and didn't checked the system so

[celest thorn]

idk like <player=(id)></player>

[marble cobalt]

Not sure with hints, but maybe with DisplayKit we could have a variant of the Text element that does have an assigned hub owner, and if the hub owner is muted then disable the object

[marble cobalt]

That could also work!

[celest thorn]

I mean DisplayKit on default unity is REALLY good

[celest thorn]

tbh i think this is actually easier for developers and nw to implement

[restive turret]

I will check some stuff around the toys

[celest thorn]

because it could be used universally for toys etc...

[restive turret]

Idk about the hints

[celest thorn]

except speakers

[restive turret]

No

[celest thorn]

why no?

like TextToys

[restive turret]

ONLY texttoy

Not other object

[celest thorn]

Yea but idk how tf would someone do shit with a primitive toy?

they draw pp?

like idk?

so then even shooting would be a problem of annoyance

[restive turret]

The 3d textchat isn't only just texttoy

[celest thorn]

I use Hints for example

[restive turret]

It shoe some "icon" or smth

[upper vapor]

this would be peak

[marble cobalt]

Honestly, I really like this idea, not sure if we'll have the time to implement it, but from a security/privacy standpoint this would probably be the best way to go about it, universally

[soft depot]

another option could be just to let users opt in / out of sharing mutes with server over plugin, that way if a client trusts their server (and the server could talk abt not sharing mutes etc...) then they can opt in and plugin devs can use that

[worn gull]

How can I change the style of a yaml config file? (I want to make it the same as exiled's style/format)

[ashen hound]

do we need variant? idk but fells not needed

[REDACTED] should be spawned per player not like yes

[unique crane]

am home

finally

[hearty shard]

nuh uh

[unique crane]

Tf you mean nuh uh

[tulip kiln]

You're being evicted

[hearty shard]

gbn gets it

[restive turret]

You use your own yaml reader

Ser/Deser

I use it to for my own scr

[worn gull]

Ah I hoped for an easier way xd

[tulip kiln]

I can help you get your home back if you implement toy parenting to non-networked objects

[unique crane]

go do tickets

[restive turret]

That's the easy way until my propesed idea got used

[tulip kiln]

[unique crane]

Whats exiled's style

[restive turret]

valLikeThis
Probably

[unique crane]

likeIfItWouldMatter xd

[soft depot]

make just do uhhh

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1051988905320255509/1146537451750432778/ezgif.com-video-to-gif_2.gif

on Exileds serializer?

[hearty shard]

im 99% sure its is_enabled: true

[marble cobalt]

We've actually discussed and considered this, and it's not necessarily scrapped but it does have its own disadvantages, as everything else

Can't say for certain which solution we'd go for atm as we have a lot of things in the works, but I can tell you it is an option, should we need it

[soft depot]

so like, if we aren't gonna get Vector3[][] for DrawableLineMessage (which idk if it'll get implemented or not) could we at least get access to controlling the width of our lines 👉 👈

[plain gazelle]

How can i stop the console spam of
Could not update data on server list (legacy)- Rejected - provided IPv6 (not supported yet - many players don't have one). Please set server_ip in config_gameplay file to your external IPv4 address.
on my local-only server . _ .

[harsh thorn]

set server_ip to your external ipv4

[plain gazelle]

but i have a dynamic ipv4 that changes daily :c

[harsh thorn]

is it a local server that wont be on the list?

cuz then you can just set it so it shuts up about the error

[plain gazelle]

afaik yeah, i just start the steam scpsl dedicated server thing and direct connect via localhost

Also, is ServerEvents.PickupCreated called at Pickup.Create or Pickup.Spawn

[restive turret]

when pickup is registered so create

[plain gazelle]

heck

[restive turret]

or spawn idk, check it

[plain gazelle]

hjkdfg

idk how to check it

im just a visual studio pleb

[restive turret]

check labapi src code

but i think its when created the wrapper so with Create

spawn doesnt have events for it i think

[plain gazelle]

I want to create a new Pickup and register its serial to my list

And i want any kind of pickup that gets created that isnt saved on my list to be deleted (-ammo)

But if the event is called at creation, i have no clue how i could safely register it

[plain gazelle]

i copy pasted the Pickup.Create and InventoryExtensions.ServerCreatePickup and inserted my register in there, seems to work

[obtuse spruce]

Does anyone know the max angle that a player can walk on ?

[terse bone]

hm, easiest solution would be to defer deleting pickups (by Timing.CallDelayed) inside that event and just check if that pickup is inside your list/hashset

[plain gazelle]

I might just change to PlayerEvents.DroppedItem instead as any items i spawn in should be in my list anyway

wait

Pickup.Create and then Pickup.Spawn does not invoke ServerEvents.PickupCreated....???

i guess this solves my issue...?

wtf

why tho

[upper vapor]

it's only called for map generation pickups afaik

and for items in structures maybe

[plain gazelle]

If i disarm myself via RA, all my dropped items invoke PickupCreated

[upper vapor]

erm

[plain gazelle]

And if i disarm a Dummy with items via RA

Even without RA

[soft depot]

yknow it'd be cool if the DisplayKit included an element for images / sprites

[slate flume]

And the alternative is not having a way for players to mute each other

Which do you think is the bigger problem

[slate flume]

Because personally I see more of an issue with this than the alternative

[slate flume]

Also, "it was suggested that plugins be given access"
Never said anything about exposing that information to the staff team
While plugins could make that information available to the staff team, they could also be exposing things like IPs that they generally shouldn't be exposing to the entire staff team

Never advocated for it to be integrated into the RA panel lol

[slate flume]

It pisses me off

There's also the fact that if a player has you muted, it's already pretty damn obvious that they muted you

Well either that or they're just ignoring you, which either way could lead to the "harassment" you mentioned

This privacy concern is stupid and based on

1. Plugins exposing information to staff
2. Staff harassing players based on that info
   And #2 is something they can already do by just observing when someone has you muted/is ignoring you

[slate flume]

Okay so the problem is if I send players a UI element with the display kit, they'll receive that, except now it'll just be empty, meaning they still haven't fully muted the other player

[slate flume]

And this doesn't address TextToys

[slate flume]

Let me also state that when this idea was shot down based on those concerns, I was told I should just implement my own mute command
This brings up the exact same "issues" as before, and also doubles as being less intuitive for players

I firmly believe it's a load of horseshit

I mean seriously it's wild being hyper-concerned with these small amounts of privacy when I literally have access to information regarding where a player lives, what ISP they use, and similar data
I just want to have full integration between plugins and the in-game system and you don't want to allow that

That's about where I'm at
Since your only actual concern is this small threat of potential harassment, and we have differing views on that, I know it's very unlikely you're going to change your mind
So far not once has my opinion mattered to anyone at Northwood
Also if you wish to say anything in response to any of this, and all you're going to do is regurgitate the same dumb argument I've heard multiple times, I don't want to hear it

[restive turret]

def not include sending pictures over

[soft depot]

😔

you can still do it with text

you guys are just making it more inconvenient

[slate flume]

Story of Northwood's life ong

[restive turret]

sec will not even let the pr merge

and the untity is build that cant process web reqeust

[soft depot]

that's because they're narrow-minded
Images already existed the second you added custom text lol

[soft depot]

I was thinking a network message to register images < 65 kb RGB24 or RGBA32

cuz that's still pretty good resolution

[hearty shard]

guh

[soft depot]

and with registering you just make the texture and store it, and devs can reference that sprite in other things n stuff

[restive turret]

btw you arent limited to 65kb

i thiink

[soft depot]

I thought that was mirrors limit

[soft depot]

another thing is that I can make decent quality videos without lagging clients 😭

[restive turret]

ltl allows more but it has to be reliable?

or something

[slate flume]

The clients need better hardware fr

[restive turret]

@warped prairie the swappergun incident

[rugged laurel]

Whats the issue with a server specific setting fir muting text chat. If anything having that option separate from vc makes more sense cause it gives the player more control

[slate flume]

^

Already mentioned it big dog

[slate flume]

Why should I have to recreate basic base-game functionality

That's a fucking awful standard to hold plugin devs to

[warped prairie]

that was kadavas fault ok!

[rugged laurel]

Idk i guess its just a personal thing when i make plugins i split up settings into more specifics so id separate text chat either way

[restive turret]

I was thinking of denying showing the toy for the muted player if "HideOnLocalMutes" is true & the ownerRefHub is set

[slate flume]

Oh you mean muting text chat entirely?

That's not the goal

The goal is muting individuals

You shouldn't have to mute the text chat in its entirety just to mute one person

[restive turret]

It was the most fastest hotfix ever

[slate flume]

It should be simple for users to go to one person -> click mute -> no longer receive communications

They shouldn't have to individually go through like 3 different settings to do it

That's not intuitive

[warped prairie]

"emergency server restart my bad team"

[slate flume]

-# (People shouldn't have to configure server-specific settings to play on your server, that's poor design)

[obtuse spruce]

Too many messages i cant understand this debate

[restive turret]

Tbh I sometimes want to read what they say but I dont want to hear them

[slate flume]

With in-game proximity text-chat?

[restive turret]

Ya

[slate flume]

People use one typically because they can't use the other

And if you don't want to listen to people, then just turn voice chat off

[restive turret]

I want to hear X and Y but not Z.
I want to see what X and Z sends but not Y

R6S tab page is doing this which I find better

[slate flume]

My point is this is a situation that rarely arises, and if people really wanted it I could add it separately

You're missing the point

[slate flume]

^

[slate flume]

Okay how is this at all relevant

[restive turret]

The game is not designed to use text chat

[slate flume]

Correct

But some devs add it

[slate flume]

And ^

If players have to use server-specific settings to do basic things such as mute another player, then something is wrong

[restive turret]

Even IF you receive X player muted Z, and you not gonna send message to Z then what if I as a moderator want to see even if I have the guy muted?

[rugged laurel]

I say this as a long time plugin dev and server host. We will always be adding and breaking the game in ways it was not intended thats a given. But thats kinda on us to make it work.

[slate flume]

What's your point

[slate flume]

No

It's on Northwood for having shitty plugin support

I've been doing this since 2024

And I'm also a server host (though haven't applied for the role)

[rugged laurel]

For a game developed mostly by volunteers theres a lot to balance with developing basegame and plugin support. As a plugin developer since 2022 part of the funs always been finding a way to make things work within restrictions. Its like an interesting puzzle.

[slate flume]

I know a game entering beta soon developed by volunteers that is similar to SCP:SL but is implementing better plugin support

The volunteer excuse for having poor support while actively denying adding better QoL features is stupid

[rugged laurel]

What game

[slate flume]

SCP: Reflection

It's my tag

[rugged laurel]

Ill have to look into it sounds cool

[slate flume]

It uses Luau as a framework for modding

[static osprey]

luau

lababu

[hearty shard]

lua for modding 🥀

[hearty shard]

YOU.

GET OUT

[thorn escarp]

Isn't that the roblox coding thing

[slate flume]

Yes

[slate flume]

Roblox uses it lmao

[hearty shard]

ik

[static osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/labubu-scratch-labubu-labubu-scratching-detectivefierce-gif-17381625201116479600

[slate flume]

Allows you to send scripts to clients to implement better freedom in client-side modding

[hearty shard]

i understand it in some ways for smth like roblox

whats the game itself made in

thats the real question

[slate flume]

Unreal Engine I believe

[hearty shard]

Hm

[restive turret]

Labapu

[rugged laurel]

Does it not have a steam page yet

[hearty shard]

Maybe just having modding like what unity has with bepinex etc isnt to be expected with UE

[slate flume]

No, it's about to enter a private beta

[hearty shard]

leads to just normal steam page

[thorn escarp]

I guess there's a difference between making a game with plugins in mind from the start, and starting without plugins in mind

[hearty shard]

no game

[hearty shard]

oh i see

so it is on stema

[rugged laurel]

Whats the base loop of the game

[hearty shard]

just private

okay

[restive turret]

You live, you die

Repeat

[rugged laurel]

Like is it scpsl type gameplay?

[slate flume]

It'll come shipped with some gamemodes standard, one/two of which intended to be similar to SL

[hearty shard]

also

hi trub

:D

[static osprey]

whos the dev out of curiosity

[rugged laurel]

Sounds like they may be developing a modding platform as their focus instead of a game focus

[slate flume]

I would share but I'm not sure if he wants me to say

[rugged laurel]

Unlike sl which is opposite

[static osprey]

is it virtual

[slate flume]

No

[restive turret]

Virtual sanity

[slate flume]

It's G-Mod -esque

[rugged laurel]

Thats cool and will def be a fun thing for modders

[slate flume]

Planned steam workshop support

[hearty shard]

i hate steam workshop

with a passion

[restive turret]

It got better

[slate flume]

It's better to have it than not

[static osprey]

i love steam workshop

with a passion

[hearty shard]

GET OUT

[rugged laurel]

Tho comparing it with sl may be a bit unfair. Since sl focus is making a game. While thats focus is creating a modding platform

[slate flume]

Both are games, one just has a larger focus on being better for modders

[restive turret]

Tho I dont like using lua so I will skip entirely

[slate flume]

The comparison seems unfair because of how limiting SL is

[hearty shard]

real

[restive turret]

And not like I gonna play it even if I self host or join on dedicated

[rugged laurel]

While also not making stuff besides gamemodes.It leaves more time to do thay

Kinda like how sl is able to push consistent uodates

That game is the same but for a different primary goal

[slate flume]

The "gamemodes" includes an SL gamemode

Meaning it plays like SL

[slate flume]

That make the game increasingly competitive and have driven a lot of long-time players off the game

[rugged laurel]

Well ill def guve the game a try when it comes out to see how the gamemodes play

[restive turret]

Not like any games in the past X years got dropped out then taken back up

[slate flume]

I've seen YouTube videos and forms about people expressing that sentiment, and had members of my community leave for the same reasons

I'm just saying it's a problem, if you don't want to believe that then sure man

[restive turret]

Tbh people leave , new people job

*join

That the basic for everything

[slate flume]

And none of that has to do with the fact that the game has changed from what it used to be?

Interesting take

[restive turret]

I mean thats right

But even if the game stays the same

You can pick it up again

Hell you can even remake it your own or do your own game

[slate flume]

And?

[restive turret]

Old people leave, new people go, it is a cycle of a live service game

[slate flume]

All I'm saying is SL updates have driven long-time players off the platform because they shifted the focus of the game

You're now going into a spiel about how all games loses players and some players come back and blah blah blah

None of that addresses that

There's a reason people post videos like this

[stone prawn]

would be cool hoping the game lasts

[restive turret]

Bro I do not know the state of old SL i have NOT even know what it was.
I only played very long ago for 1 hour with my friend, we did some shit then dropped it.

[slate flume]

Okay

[marble cobalt]

The same could be implemented for Text Toys, we didn't discuss full implementation, we were discussing alternatives that help both sides out

[slate flume]

Still isn't really relevant

[slate flume]

So is that the plan?

[marble cobalt]

You proposed your opinion, and I agree that it would be nice for your plugin to be able to fully mute people

[marble cobalt]

We discussed ideas, not plans

[slate flume]

But that's not going to happen for probably at least a year because of the decisions you guys have made

[restive turret]

Can be shown into old r6s, old csgo, every old game.
People like nostalgia or when they enjoyed it.

[marble cobalt]

So you think that synchronizing the mutes the player has would happen sooner?

[slate flume]

If you want to believe it's all nostalgia then that's fine man whatever you wanna believe

[slate flume]

I believe that SpeakerToys will receive an implementation far sooner now than any alternatives

Because the change was reworked to only applying to SpeakerToys

And that change has already passed LabAPI inspections

[marble cobalt]

I'm not sure why you are being aggressive about this, I'm quite literally talking things with peers to see if we can fit this into our plans in the future

I am literally trying to help you out

[slate flume]

Because I'm pissed that you guys made this decision

[marble cobalt]

We made no decision

Literally

[slate flume]

Yes you did

Lmao

The security team vetoed the original change

That was on the internal tracker

[slender lynx]

@slate flume its not worth the argument

call it quits bro

[hearty shard]

omg beryl

[slate flume]

Idrgaf

[hearty shard]

prob bad timing but ello!!

[slate flume]

I'll make my case anyways

[slender lynx]

yappin here aint gonna change their mind

[slate flume]

But they're gonna keep trying to change mine

[slender lynx]

shit took me 3 years to get triangles as even a suggestion and the only way that happened was getting a game designer to agree

[slate flume]

Might as well make myself well-expressed

[slender lynx]

talking with general nw wont do anything

im talkin from experience

[slate flume]

I know

[slender lynx]

just savin you a headache

[slate flume]

^

[slender lynx]

read line 3 again

getting things implemented is harder than stealing from fort knox but its not worth the argument in the first place

[slate flume]

You're now arguing with me that I should give up my argument, I just wish to speak my honest mind on this
Not doing anything ever is a poor mindset

[slender lynx]

they'll do what they feel fit and tbf they can just not care lols

[marble cobalt]

:') I really cannot understand how you can be so confident when you don't have access to our internal conversations.

I'm sorry you were given the impression that we weren't going to do what you're requesting, but as mentioned before a few times, an issue being closed doesn't mean we aren't doing something about it, it just means we are not going to be using your issue, or a specific issue as a reference.

[slender lynx]

i never told you to stop im just sayin how it goes

[slate flume]

"I really cannot understand how you can be so confident when you don't have access to our internal conversations." I'm literally going off of what cedric told me big bro

[slender lynx]

ive been here since 2017 and it aint gonna change

[slate flume]

Had this conversation with him about two weeks ago

[marble cobalt]

Again, I am sorry if whatever Cedric said gave you the wrong impression

But I am trying to help you understand what really happens

We create our own design documents, bring up our own concerns, alternatives explored and then create a proposed plan

[slate flume]

He did not give me the wrong impression

He vetoed the implementation as stated

Because of the "security concerns" which I believe are bogus

Is that not correct?

[marble cobalt]

He brought up a privacy concern, we heard him out as he is a workmate and respect his opinion, I also shared with you a personal experience of why I could see this being an issue, I understand you want things to be done quick, and I am terribly sorry to you and everyone else in the community for the fact that we cannot do things faster

[slate flume]

And I shared my counterpoints and now you're taking it as a personal attack

I'm expressing that I dislike that you guys made this change

I think it's a negative thing you guys did

That's about it

You disagree, fine

I don't know what you're trying to achieve atp

[marble cobalt]

Just thought I'd try to help you understand that we are trying to achieve the same goal, you want your community to be protected in a way that is intuitive, so do we

If that's your goal, it still lives on and we're still looking for ways to make that happen

[slate flume]

I don't doubt that some people on the team, you included, are well-intentioned

[marble cobalt]

We may still do the idea of syncing mutes, we are just not fully happy with that route at the moment

[slate flume]

There was a way available that you guys shot down because of something I feel is bogus, that's the stance I'm expressing

I don't doubt that you want what's best and what-not, I just think it's stupid

I think stifling progress because of these insignificant issues is a poor mindset to have when designing a modding framework

But you guys don't view the issue as insignificant and that's where we differ

Not sure why you keep wanting to reaffirm that

I've stated my case and I'll continue to state it as long as you keep trying to debunk it

[marble cobalt]

Where ideas fall, specially on this side of the community, is the fact that we are not just designing a modding framework, we are designing a game. It's not that the issue is insignificant, it isn't. There is solutions on both sides, and each solution has it's pros and cons, there's nothing bad with that.

[slate flume]

The LabAPI team is about designing a modding framework

[marble cobalt]

When designing anything, it is good to have an open mind about each issue, and see if there is alternatives.

[slate flume]

You guys don't make game design changes

[slate flume]

"It's not that the issue is insignificant, it isn't."
And that's where we disagree, as I stated earlier

[slate flume]

^

[marble cobalt]

I meant your issue

As I thought you were talking about that

[slate flume]

Ah

My bad on that

[marble cobalt]

It's all good

[obtuse spruce]

The idea is to make the Muted players synced ?

or am i dumb

[slate flume]

I don't think the issue I have is insignificant, I think that the issue presented with the original implementation is insignificant
I know you want everything to be sunshine and rainbows for everyone involved and that you only have the best intentions
I don't doubt it
I know you think this is the best course of action, I just challenge that view-point because it reflects a restrictive development philosophy
You guys completely don't trust plugin developers with interfacing better with base-game systems because you're worried we're going to make implementations for the worse and assume that the worst-case scenario is going to be awful and drive players away

[marble cobalt]

It's something the LabAPI team is actually working on and asked me to propose it to Hubert and Ender for approval
Obviously don't say that publicly
This was my response after being dmed about it by "that game designer that agreed"

Things take time, and again, I'm sorry we can't do things in time, or faster

[obtuse spruce]

triangle primitive

[marble cobalt]

I don't mean this to blame anyone in here, but consider the fact that we implement plugin development features essentially for free (API Maintainers still get paid bounties as anyone else)

[slate flume]

I implement plugin features for free too

[marble cobalt]

We don't virtually see a lot of income come directly from the features we implement plugin development wise

[restive turret]

I'm gonna remove every gameobject on your server if I see a triangle made with primitives

[slate flume]

The difference is you work for Northwood on LabAPI, and I work solo on my own projects

You guys being volunteers doesn't mean I shouldn't be able to criticize what I feel to be improper judgement

[obtuse spruce]

Im gonna set all the parent of each gameobject of all NWOS to null if you do it

[marble cobalt]

The difference is that you can't maintain a game for free, and I mean this as an ex plugin developer

I was literally in your position, my entire resumé was plugin development

They are simply not comparable

[slate flume]

^

[marble cobalt]

That's fine

[slate flume]

No offense big dog

[marble cobalt]

I was talking to maro

[restive turret]

My resume was reversing and trying stuff out

[marble cobalt]

Not to you

[slate flume]

Okay 👍🏻

[obtuse spruce]

Give me the SL codebase im gonna add it and also add an rickrollToy 🤡

[slate flume]

I do think maro brings up a fair point though considering it is a relatively small feature to add

[restive turret]

Jokes on you, I force parent all your gameobjects to your server

[slate flume]

It's one extra primitive

Other AdminToys have been made in the time it's taken to get approval for this one AdminToy addition

[obtuse spruce]

Imagine parent all gameobject to the localHub 🤡

[restive turret]

Bet?

[obtuse spruce]

i wanna try it 🤡

[slate flume]

You guys also have historically not been transparent about your processes, until recently we couldn't even know which issues were accepted and which were denied

[restive turret]

I can do it in editor

[obtuse spruce]

Do it, compile and tell me what happen 🤡

[slate flume]

I feel maro's complaints are entirely justified

[restive turret]

Can't compile but can record

[slate flume]

3 years is like 1/20 of my entire lifespan, small things really shouldn't be taking that long

[obtuse spruce]

Work too

Im keter now thx

[slate flume]

Level-up live

🔥

[obtuse spruce]

I talk too much

[slate flume]

I'm level 40, how do you think I feel lmao

[obtuse spruce]

Huh

[slate flume]

Supreme yapper

[marble cobalt]

The reason I bring up "money" as a topic is because it really is the cause of most issues we cannot resolve, I'm down to explain and talk more about that if it's something of interest to people, but in regards to your concerns, I think we both brought up our points as much as we wanted to

As said before, I do hope you get what you need/want

[slate flume]

If the concern is not enough money, maybe downsize the team

Just a thought

[obtuse spruce]

downsize ???

Huh

such a bad decision

extremely bad

[slate flume]

The Northwood team has a 31 page organizational chart

They are not an indie studio atp

[restive turret]

Not like 2 people can take yall 50 issues, bugs, tasks

[rugged laurel]

Downsizing wouldnt fix any money as its by bounty

It be the same

[slate flume]

Fix the system

👍🏻

Why pay bounties to 3 dozen people to do impromptu big fixes when you could pay a wage to a couple devs to do it full-time

[obtuse spruce]

Me when NW earn only 4234€/m with patreon and that the amount one senior developer should be paid...

[rugged laurel]

90% of those ppl arent paid

[slate flume]

Me when merch sales

[slate flume]

That is not a factor

Size is

[obtuse spruce]

represent not an huge amount frr

[marble cobalt]

Server/infrastructure costs as well btw centrals and our CI machine aren't free

[rugged laurel]

So lets say we cut to a couple devs. You could prob have one besides hubert with how much the patreon made. No merch sales cause no marketing department

[obtuse spruce]

dont forget 3D Artists who's making an huge work, bro Phasmophobia earn millions and look like an Roblox game in 2020. We have High quality textures and models. Im not trying to suck NW but dont forget that

[slender lynx]

its whatev now since its done, also icl its not important

[slate flume]

Bunch of assets still ripped from CB btw

[obtuse spruce]

Okay but dont forget the Surface update

[slate flume]

Game's been out for what, 8 years?

[restive turret]

Me when I run 10 build a day

[celest thorn]

tbh nw makes more than that count the plushies, merch, patreon, partners (companies)

you can see more than that

that in my opinion is the tip of the iceberg

[restive turret]

Why did I read as $/million

[upper pike]

What partners?

[slate flume]

Patreon by itself makes $60k/year, + merch sales, + alternatives
If you downsized to a small dev team you could feasibly pay a few people full-time to work on the game and get more done than pure volunteers

[spring swan]

Terabit

[obtuse spruce]

Where im talking about millions is Phasmophobia

[upper pike]

They don't fund the studio

[restive turret]

Never heard of it

[celest thorn]

and the donations

[spring swan]

the hosting company on scp sl's main page in game

[marble cobalt]

I don't handle our finances, but I wouldn't assume what you see on patreon is "just the tip of the iceberg"

[slate flume]

(See Team Cherry)

[celest thorn]

yea

thats what i meant

[spring swan]

hmm, I don't believe that

[slate flume]

You know the people who made Hollow Knight

[restive turret]

No

[celest thorn]

SL isn't Hollow knight

[restive turret]

I am disconnected at every game stuff

[celest thorn]

its a miracle this game still exist

[obtuse spruce]

Sadly all income are not public so we cant really see but in all cases if you are paid with bounty there are 2 two ways

• NW love money
• NW cant pay everyone as they should be

[slate flume]

No, but my point is they pay a few team members to work full-time rather than having a 30 page list of volunteers

[upper pike]

I don't think we quite understand how complicated and expensive developing a game is

[stone prawn]

volunteers != getting paid, downsizing changes nothing?

[celest thorn]

tbh bounties aren't paid that much paid idk the specifics but im pretty sure they aren't that high to make a full income

[upper pike]

60k is not even enough to fund the studio when most of the staff are working for free as a volunteer and the ones who do develop are paid by bounty

[stone prawn]

most volunteers are PR and community

[restive turret]

Me hoarding 10k€/d from the studio (this is a joke)

[marble cobalt]

And I'll have you know I mean that thumbs up as "I don't fully know either", there is a lot of cogs running simultaneously

I simply and only handle the programming team

Like me there is so many different teams

[slate flume]

Let me do some math for you

$100 split among 100 people is $1 each
$100 for 1 person is $100 each

The less people, the more individually they're paid, and if you have a small team it's feasible to pay them an actual wage instead of having a bloated team

[celest thorn]

at marketing plz reveal how much nw makes

[restive turret]

2 popcorn and a half Garfield magazine

[upper pike]

Yeah, I have no idea what Im talking about. And Im not scared to admit that

[hearty shard]

This chat makes me go insanr

[spring swan]

and I have no idea whats going on

[celest thorn]

the garfield magazine from 1900 that now cost 2M

[obtuse spruce]

i think we talk about money actually but that not the big point of why a lot of features is not implemented in a short time. Yea NW development sucks on somes points but ima be honest with the LabAPI i saw an huge interests of NW in this. We have so much Toy to play with, SSS, DisplayKit soon. So many things that somes years before NW was like "WE HATE MODDING GNGNGN"

[spring swan]

just seeing plugin dev chat more active than usual

[slate flume]

Northwood is splitting probably more than 6 figures among like 100 people, that's gonna be nothing
If instead they split it among a few people, they might be able to just work this full-time

[restive turret]

I have it all digitally

[stone prawn]

that changes nothing, volunteers do not get paid in the studio, getting rid of them and having less changes nothing

[slate flume]

Still can't revert the micro speed cap btw

[celest thorn]

thats true

[slate flume]

Dawg

[celest thorn]

no more programming then

[obtuse spruce]

what you talking about ?

[slate flume]

I'm saying pay a few people to work on the game full-time instead of a team of volunteers

[slate flume]

Back in August of last year the game capped your speed when using Micro to 5.4m/s, and we still can't change it

[celest thorn]

min salary ngl

[obtuse spruce]

if you have some money to donate to NW go ahead

[spring swan]

w/ the funding NW has yeah they don't got that type of cash

[slate flume]

Dawg they make $60k/year off patreon alone

[celest thorn]

they will add any feature you want too if you pay 5k

[spring swan]

the only full time person would be hubert iirc

[marble cobalt]

You would be correct

[stone prawn]

yeah

[slate flume]

No way they're not making 6 figures

[obtuse spruce]

NW have somes skill issue part but make a balance game is complicated

[spring swan]

waaay below that

[upper pike]

How many developers can you pay full time with on 60k minus all the studio costs like licensing and assets?

[spring swan]

gotta include taxes

[stone prawn]

not all of the money goes straight into paying people

[upper pike]

Barely anything

[stone prawn]

theres a lot more stuff to be paid

[celest thorn]

tax evasion exist btw

[slate flume]

Exactly my point

[upper pike]

[stone prawn]

good idea...

[obtuse spruce]

Me looking at Hubert discord RPC to get somes leaks with file Name

[stone prawn]

/j

[spring swan]

it does, but knowing hubert and truewhitelion, they would defs want to follow all tax regulations xd

[marble cobalt]

The amount of times Hubert has accidentally leaked something Not just Discord

[celest thorn]

taxes in poland aren't that high here you need to pay taxes for even fucking having a shadow on the ground

[stone prawn]

true 😭

[slate flume]

If 3/4 people can make Hollow Knight, why can't 3/4 people work on SL
They'd be doing shit at roughly the same pace as the game is already going anyways because shit doesn't get done

[obtuse spruce]

DisplayKit for exemple ? if you remember our dm i think that part of it

[celest thorn]

god i love the italian goverment

[restive turret]

Goof luck on me, after I accidentally leaked what I working on back in a year I stopped showing any games on my channel

[upper pike]

Hollow Knight and SL are two very different cases

[restive turret]

*profile

[stone prawn]

literally

[celest thorn]

true

one is well done

[upper pike]

Like they couldn't be more different

[celest thorn]

the other sucks

[spring swan]

multiplayer game v singleplayer game

[obtuse spruce]

LMAO

[celest thorn]

i will let you pick which one i mean

[marble cobalt]

I was just about to say that, a "custom UI framework" or something like that was accidentally mentioned by Hubert on a stream once, I was surprised not to see more people talk about that 💀 (sorry Hubert if you're reading this )

[upper pike]

I mean I wouldn't say HK sucks. Like its a pretty good game

[slate flume]

Among Us
Goat Simulator
Castle Crashers
Risk of Rain
Project Zomboid
Paper's Please

[celest thorn]

who said hollow knight sucks

[restive turret]

Me when I have 27% vat/tax for everything

[stone prawn]

im surprised people keep asking if 15.0 is this year when you said something about it in the labapi stream

[celest thorn]

bro your president builds fucking stadium next to his house

[stone prawn]

said*

[slate flume]

All at least initially made and maintained by small indie dev teams

[obtuse spruce]

When i heard that ive directly DM you, i was on fire "NO WAY HINT 2.0"

[upper pike]

Among Us doesn't exactly have a high standard when it comes to their programming quality

[rugged laurel]

I was on that stream amd was like in my head “did he say what i thiught. Im just gonna not acknowledge”

[celest thorn]

and our just goes "I love money but i need more"

[slate flume]

Okay let's be real neither does SL

You seen some of these classes?

[obtuse spruce]

"Is Chaos Theory using our new Custom UI Framework ? "

[celest thorn]

Thank god we don't see the client code

sometimes i do wonder how it is

[stone prawn]

its good trust

[celest thorn]

i just want soemone to leak it to see the comments

lol

[obtuse spruce]

Love u hubert, continue to leak i need this to dont fall in depression of coding plugins

[marble cobalt]

It's truly been a task trying to keep myself quiet over it

[stone prawn]

//who the fuck coded this? will need to remake later

[marble cobalt]

I would've loved it so much when I was a plugin dev

[upper pike]

If you're trying to say SL can be better made if we follow another game's example, it helps if that second game has something going for it

[slate flume]

All I'm saying is if NW downsized to just a few devs, and not a team of a hundred+ volunteers, they'd honestly probably do better than they are right now

[celest thorn]

i have one beatiful line on ATOH

called

[obtuse spruce]

LMAO

[restive turret]

catch
{
 // Ignore
}

[slate flume]

Did you see how popular Among Us was in the hey-day

[stone prawn]

oh man the lines in my projects

i wonder if zenlet has found any of mine in the ts bot

[celest thorn]

https://i.e-z.host/🐀/94dnwqwa.png

[upper pike]

Yes, but its player count is a lot lower now

SL is still going strong 8 years later

That's worth something at least. Right?

[stone prawn]

yes

[restive turret]

And not like they have plugin framework.

They event changed it to IL2CPP as I seen it

[stone prawn]

pretty good compared to other games

[restive turret]

Also DO NOT SEE old tarkovs code

[celest thorn]

AHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHA

Thats actually really good

[slate flume]

It is, but I primarily brought it up to show that a lot of the frustrations people have with SL can be fixed

[restive turret]

It is the worst i seen in my 3 years of c#

[celest thorn]

ngl i think SL is really similar to tarkov old code

[slate flume]

They just aren't going to fix it

[celest thorn]

Nikita codes better than hubert change my mind

[restive turret]

Ye

[obtuse spruce]

When hubert released the new cassie system i was so happy fr

[restive turret]

Thats fake

[celest thorn]

Bro he made like crazy good game he deserve credits

the code is so similar that one game is crazy realistic and run shit

[restive turret]

Not crazy good, ghe optimalitation sucks more than I run 3 sl instance with 20 dummies moving

[celest thorn]

sl runs shit even if its not realistic

[obtuse spruce]

use LabAPI events are fun but making an abstraction of the codebase to make what i want is better, no overhead, no tiny cost

[celest thorn]

one day i will read

"game optimized"

and i will do 1 fps more

so i can do 21fps

instead of 20

[restive turret]

I still play the game on 720 windowed

[celest thorn]

same computer that can run raytracing and high end games even from last month

[upper pike]

We should have an update just called OPTIMISATION UPDATE, and change basically nothing
But at least we can say we released the Optimisation Update and quell everyone who keeps asking

[obtuse spruce]

"we fixed GC Pressure on Server build"

[upper pike]

I doubt they would even read the changelog anyway

[restive turret]

[celest thorn]

i read each changelog and see even the git diff

[restive turret]

Optimalitation Update is basically a three-month period of time that we're gonna be taking in order to fixing and repairing the game

[slate flume]

I know a good few people who have to play with facility lights off because of the poor optimization

[celest thorn]

just put the fries in the bag and make sl 2

probably runs better

maybe

im joking

it would run the same

[upper pike]

13.0 all over again

[celest thorn]

Same shit like cod

[slate flume]

Hate the 13.0 update

[restive turret]

I rather make my own game then make sl again from scratch

[slate flume]

HDRP ruined the style of the game

[obtuse spruce]

Me when new PlayerReceivingAudioEventArgs hotpath 🤡

[upper pike]

Yeah, the map wasn't designed for HDRP lighting

New HCZ looks good because it was made for that lighting

[celest thorn]

btw is lucid sleeping?

strange

[restive turret]

There is many poc around hotpaths, it just need time and proper implementation (as always)

[celest thorn]

that this convo is going on

[restive turret]

LoA?

[celest thorn]

OH TRUE

so yea that works

[upper pike]

Lucid never sleeps
He's always watching

But he's on LoA, so its not his problem

[restive turret]

Its your problem now

[celest thorn]

last time i asked about triangle primitive i got shutdown

[celest thorn]

[restive turret]

U want it again

[celest thorn]

Nah im fine i wanna just shit on nw

for no reason

and ragebait

then get a drink

and go to bed

[restive turret]

Use twitter than

I heard ragebaiting there profitable

[celest thorn]

here its funnier because people don't understand the ragebait

[obtuse spruce]

cached event. nobody take it as a reference or if that the case add an Clone method i dont really know i was trying to take a look how to fix cuz we dont have stuff like DynamicPatch and i think add and if subscribecount on, break the code readability so...

[upper pike]

Rotate a cube primitive and hide half of it
Simple

[slate flume]

🗣️

[celest thorn]

i do it for the game

[restive turret]

Not like Twitter will know the context either

I see daily ragebaits

[celest thorn]

tbh its incredible to me that tarkov runs better than SL tbh

[spring swan]

triangle primitive discussions

we've been waiting on that shit for years

so soonTM i hope

[restive turret]

"years"

[celest thorn]

la revolution

[celest thorn]

its been years lol

[spring swan]

no actually lol

[upper pike]

That moment when you realise its 2026

[celest thorn]

thanks french people other than giving us funny memes, you gave us the revolution spirit

[static osprey]

i like squares

[celest thorn]

we like triangles

[restive turret]

Never seen it got talked with it since I'm a a plugin dev

[spring swan]

its either triangle/pyramid primitives or we can spawn a fuck ton of primitives as one prefab

thats all we ask

[static osprey]

square :D

[spring swan]

yeah you're in the wrong discord lol

[celest thorn]

it got shutdown fast everytime lol

[spring swan]

outside of this discord, it is a very big discussion

[celest thorn]

before it spreads

like a disease

[restive turret]

Ah well

That's your story part too

[obtuse spruce]

so you loose control of each primitive inside ? no animation, nothing

[restive turret]

So

[upper pike]

The Square Deepstate suppresses all mentions of the triangles

[celest thorn]

you could technically do one mesh

[spring swan]

for static stuff I'd like to make a huge ass map that doesn't need animating and whatever

[celest thorn]

and so it would lag less

[slate flume]

If only quad primitives could position vertices

Would fix my life

[celest thorn]

go think about deepwell lol, that thing hasn't been still completed which i remember talks about being a week long lol

its been months

[spring swan]

we already have squares

now triangles

[restive turret]

Deepwell?

I am not well in deep

[celest thorn]

#deepwell-discussion

[restive turret]

Lore

🔥

[celest thorn]

sl is more lore

than gameplay and fps

[obtuse spruce]

Or NW remove the if check in the Update loop and you should add an other component that do it

[spring swan]

plus I heard some rumors nesquuik, that access is planning on trying a gtag event?

[obtuse spruce]

GTag ? what does that mean ? full word i mean

[celest thorn]

im so sorry for the guy

[obtuse spruce]

Gorilla Tag 🤡

[spring swan]

global badge event

[restive turret]

Lmao

[celest thorn]

respectfully go love yourself

now

[restive turret]

Funniest shit i seen today

[static osprey]

Can i compete

[upper pike]

Mfw there's a story in a game based on a collaborative writing platform revolving around telling stories

[celest thorn]

didn't you compete on the one that me and maro made?

i forgot who was at the nw team

[static osprey]

no

[celest thorn]

ngl

[static osprey]

ive only ever joined bullish tournaments

which was hosted by ghostz

[celest thorn]

you should've

[static osprey]

iirc

[celest thorn]

ghost tourney bad

ours good

[static osprey]

i dont like tournaments-- was lagging like fuck on bullish's

[restive turret]

Never joined any tournament

[celest thorn]

skill issue

[obtuse spruce]

Hum im kinda confuse cuz they are two things that i heard. one about Hexagone and one about Access

so that probably true i guess so

[restive turret]

I just bad at the game

[celest thorn]

ngl

[obtuse spruce]

one old and one recent

[celest thorn]

whoever is gonna run them

goodluck

[spring swan]

I didn't host bullish's early tournaments

[static osprey]

ill run them they r ez pz

[spring swan]

@bullish

oh right he ain't in this discord

[junior elm]

Bullish tournaments

[static osprey]

skillz maybe

[junior elm]

frikenjebelbrooje

[spring swan]

it was pint

for 2 tournaments

[celest thorn]

prepare a psychologist too because you will need it

[spring swan]

then it became me

[stone prawn]

dude same when i did the first one in 2021 or 2022 in the giant box, so fucking unplayable 😭

[static osprey]

oh

[celest thorn]

am i wrong ghost?

[static osprey]

yeah fps was insane

pmo

[junior elm]

I miss that zombie tournament, for those that remember

[spring swan]

true

[junior elm]

that was so much fun

[spring swan]

I want to run it again

, but JOKER

AHEM

doesn't want to do it again

smh

[junior elm]

https://tenor.com/view/yakuza-kiwami-2-yakuza-kiwami-2-yakuza-2-slamming-desk-gif-7817746537201906733

[static osprey]

why do u need him

[celest thorn]

call the big J and ask him

[junior elm]

The Zen can help? 👀

[celest thorn]

to release it

[static osprey]

the zen will not

[restive turret]

Rob some plugin dev and make it work

[spring swan]

well anything related to the exiled tourmanent I gotta bring it up to joker since it was something he was behind

[static osprey]

y

[junior elm]

tell him Hubert needs his top guy for one last tournament

[slate flume]

What is the point of the TextArea setting?

[spring swan]

just cuz

[obtuse spruce]

DisplayKit ?

[slate flume]

Haven't worked with SSSS much

[celest thorn]

cof cof we did propose it cof cof

[slate flume]

Server-specific settings

[obtuse spruce]

oh mb

[celest thorn]

just not gonna say what we were planning me and the big M

[spring swan]

I mean I could run the tournament again

[celest thorn]

[spring swan]

, but I wont

[obtuse spruce]

run it

[spring swan]

ain't worth my time

[static osprey]

tarkov in scpsl

[hearty shard]

I believe it was just for adding text

[celest thorn]

psychologist is needed too they cost alot

[hearty shard]

Eg if you wanna explain some stuff idk

[restive turret]

Mario in sl

[celest thorn]

That was actually a tournament i HAD in mind

but maro rejected it so many times

[obtuse spruce]

I can understand

[junior elm]

[slate flume]

So when it folds out, what's the point in that, what happens there?

[spring swan]

yeah I don't want to go through the mental stress those tournaments caused

[celest thorn]

I did super smash ultimate with movesets and stuff

it worked great

it was REALLY good

[static osprey]

why was it stressful

[celest thorn]

and fun

[spring swan]

tournaments gotta run smoothly all the way and make sure shit doesn't fuck up big time

[celest thorn]

Finding idea, dealing with NW, dealing with people, dealing with owners, testing, making sure the clan doesn't throw everything down, same day seeing application check each one of them, day before no sleep for checking servers having backups

[obtuse spruce]

if you made plugin with, i can understand this mental stress

[static osprey]

nah its just a game

[hearty shard]

Um

[static osprey]

if problem then delay for fix

[hearty shard]

Good question

[static osprey]

ezpz

[hearty shard]

I don't know

[spring swan]

bro..

[hearty shard]

I never actually bothered checking it

[celest thorn]

oh and performance too

[spring swan]

you don't understand how scary the word "delay" is

[celest thorn]

TRUE

TRUE

1 less tps

and you hear the tryharder complain

[spring swan]

imagine all the players showing up on time for the event,clearing up their schedules to make it for the tournament

then boom.. delay..

[obtuse spruce]

Me when tps at 60 instead of 128 🤡

[restive turret]

Just print them it's 20/20 every time

[static osprey]

thug it out

[restive turret]

[spring swan]

trust me if you've seen how kurva's first scp sl tournament went

you would know

[celest thorn]

to be honest its really stressfull to a point i really was deciding to stop or not

its just too much

[obtuse spruce]

iirc NW cap the FpcDistribution so no position updated 128/s

[static osprey]

schedule the tournament for a friday so if any issue fix for sat/sun

ezpz

[spring swan]

yeah.. about that..

still leads to a whole ass riot

[celest thorn]

like zenlet you wanna know how much i spent for making a tournament like the one me and maro made the first one

[junior elm]

shoot the tryhards on sight
tournament has to be for the vibes

[static osprey]

no gbadge for complainers

[celest thorn]

1 month

of just development

5 months of testing

[spring swan]

oh you right

[restive turret]

And timing between zones is just worst

[celest thorn]

and fixes

[spring swan]

you are so right

[static osprey]

im the zen im always right

[spring swan]

I mean the tournaments main goals are to bring the communities of sl together

[celest thorn]

I made sure that the tournament we run was fun for tryhards and non

its just impossible

[static osprey]

ask @junior elm

[celest thorn]

to make both happy

[restive turret]

"we gonna reschedule to 01:00 !"

💀

[junior elm]

-# *Some exceptions may apply

[celest thorn]

Fun fact scheduling you need to take care of like timezones

[static osprey]

pmo

[celest thorn]

too

the worst one

[static osprey]

marking all emails as unread

[restive turret]

I said that too

[celest thorn]

australians

[restive turret]

Ye

[junior elm]

Just split up between EU, NA, and spiderland

[celest thorn]

im sorry but Kitchen Island is just too far

from us

[celest thorn]

ARE YOU CRAZY???

running 1 Tournament for each region

[upper pike]

Spiderland...

[junior elm]

I mean, if you put in so much work for a concept? :)

[celest thorn]

its already alot if one runs without the clan not destroying it

[static osprey]

ez

[celest thorn]

and then finding host good enough

[spring swan]

crazy AU is just known as "spider land"

[restive turret]

Spiderman

[spring swan]

WAIT

SPIDER

spider update

when

[junior elm]

I've said too much

[upper pike]

They already confirmed Australia exists in SL

[junior elm]

https://tenor.com/view/cheburashka-cute-roman-kachanov-russian-cartoon-animation-gif-10266996

[upper pike]

So therefore spiders must exist

Meaning 15.0 is the Spider Update

[celest thorn]

if you guys add spiders

im out of this game

for good

[static osprey]

i would love spiders

and ants

[celest thorn]

zenlet love yourself

[static osprey]

and flies

[celest thorn]

NOW

[spring swan]

I mean regional tournaments sounds cool, it was technically attempted when the Down Under Tournament was a thing

[celest thorn]

EWWW

[static osprey]

and maggots

[celest thorn]

GODDAMIT

[junior elm]

👻👻👻👻👻👻👻👻

[celest thorn]

why all of the disgusting things

[static osprey]

imagine if they added eating maggots

[upper pike]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/478224237065273344/1346945494265364520/9mdi7s.gif?ex=698e3abe&is=698ce93e&hm=e9baebef577c2f2e97470a71cce523238edc14e23e78bc43f4f187c5bde092ea&

[static osprey]

dclass hp++++

[celest thorn]

I swear i cried when i saw that in vr

spiders just are too scary for me

[static osprey]

gd need to do this

[upper pike]

Spider Keycard is confirmed
Therefore spiders will also be added soon

What else would the spider keycard access?

[static osprey]

id play SL everyday if spiders, flies and maggots were added

[obtuse spruce]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1127680100687687750/1163742447298420771/c.gif

[junior elm]

Zennie, time to beam the leakoid

[static osprey]

oh true

[upper pike]

Bilewater

Not the maggots

[static osprey]

goodbye goodman

🙏🙏

[upper pike]

https://giphy.com/gifs/daredevil-frank-castle-wait-pSNzHOr5lLvGpb3HLl

[obtuse spruce]

NW add somes spiders on the HCZ

[celest thorn]

please love yourself

i cannot say the other word

[upper pike]

We need a single spider tucked in some obscure corner of HCZ

[celest thorn]

but LOVE YOURSELF NOW

[static osprey]

@sharp vine Can you do this

ill give you £10

[celest thorn]

give 5k

[static osprey]

no

[obtuse spruce]

Fr that could be fun to have Spider web and spiders and somes logic area like ServerRoom

[static osprey]

imagine setting up spider web traps for people

[celest thorn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1277981780661764146/1466082929749786676/togif.gif

[obtuse spruce]

we have water puddle on floor so... at this point

[obtuse spruce]

SpiderWebToy 🤡

And you make it to a scale of 10 and u got slowness when walking on it

[upper pike]

Can't wait to see the Australian servers 5 minutes after the SpiderWebToys are added

[celest thorn]

do spider when throwing their web like be the same thing as us gooning?

[obtuse spruce]

LMAO

[upper pike]

Its not even the devs who added it

[celest thorn]

or what?

[upper pike]

They just appeared there

Spitting

[obtuse spruce]

Will be added by default for australian servers no way to remove it

[static osprey]

someone make this out of primitives now and bring my fps to 10 please

[spring swan]

lightwork

[celest thorn]

don't worry i gotch you with meow

[obtuse spruce]

I dont know what the cost of drawcall with TextToy and each pixel on a cube char

more realistic but dont know the price with an image of 720x720

[static osprey]

find out

[celest thorn]

https://i.e-z.host/🐀/b26duj0r.mp4

just saying

i did this because i was bored

client side moving toys

for you they move

for the others you are flying

[static osprey]

20 fps

😭

[spring swan]

@junior elm speaking of the zombie tournament, we did revive the map a couple months ago it took us some time since we built this when MapEditorReborn was in beta testing

[celest thorn]

20 fps because it compress and its ass

[obtuse spruce]

Too many information on ur screen wtf

[celest thorn]

but i do more than that

[celest thorn]

Debug

[obtuse spruce]

Lighting...

[junior elm]

THATS THE ONE!!! 🙏

[spring swan]

hey it was the fourth map ever made w/ primitives, so lighting technique wasn't great

[obtuse spruce]

Map by bakamba, Animation by bakamba i just made the lighting 🤡

[junior elm]

I love those kinds of maps where it’s just a big room.
Toy soldier mode from Rising Storm 2: Vietnam did it pretty well.

[spring swan]

bakamba doing cool work as per usual

[obtuse spruce]

this man is really goatted fr

I love working with him

[celest thorn]

https://r2.e-z.host/171331e7-c2fd-416b-bbde-8e9ffe19985a/g50a6b14.png

1k x 1k